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00:33:04 *** Dom__ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 00:39:19 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 00:39:19 *** Dom__ is now known as Dom_ 04:45:51 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 04:45:53 <Stablean> *** Sylf joined the game 04:49:53 <Stablean> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 05:06:30 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 05:06:31 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 05:14:44 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (processing map took too long) 05:14:45 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (connection lost) 05:15:11 <Stablean> *** Big Meech joined the game 05:15:15 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yooooooooooooo 05:15:21 <Stablean> <Jomann> JOOOOOOOOOO 05:15:35 <Stablean> <Big Meech> hi 05:15:37 <Stablean> <Jomann> hey 05:15:55 <Stablean> <Big Meech> it looks like you're using the wrong signals :) 05:16:10 <Stablean> <Jomann> I know someone told me to use basaic signals 05:16:21 <Stablean> <Jomann> but they get placed in both directions 05:16:23 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yup, do you know how to drag and drop them? 05:16:29 <Stablean> <Jomann> and then all trains do what they want 05:16:31 <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh, i could help you there 05:16:46 <Stablean> <Big Meech> you have to click twice in the same spot with the signals tool for it to go 1-way or the other 05:16:57 <Stablean> <Big Meech> with the basic signals 05:16:59 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah with drag and so yes but I dont get the right drag for only one diretion 05:17:14 <Stablean> <Big Meech> i could do a demo for you 05:17:21 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah but I dont do this 1 click thing for 1000 signals 05:17:23 <Stablean> <Big Meech> interested? 05:17:29 <Stablean> <Big Meech> no, you dont 05:17:31 <Stablean> <Big Meech> it's quite easy 05:17:50 <Stablean> <Big Meech> there's a flat spot near dalvik fertilizer plant 05:17:56 <Stablean> <Big Meech> i could show you there 05:18:00 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has started a new company (#11) 05:18:20 <Stablean> <Big Meech> at !demo ( sign ) 05:18:42 <Stablean> <Jomann> ok 05:18:49 <Stablean> <Jomann> but I know how it has to look like. 05:19:00 <Stablean> <Jomann> I think I just drag wrong in such casr 05:19:14 <Stablean> <Big Meech> do you see the clics ? 05:19:20 <Stablean> <Big Meech> *clicks 05:19:26 <Stablean> <Jomann> but you double click every single signal? 05:19:32 <Stablean> <Big Meech> no 05:19:42 <Stablean> <Big Meech> see that one i placeD? 05:19:48 <Stablean> <Jomann> y 05:19:54 <Stablean> <Jomann> ahh 05:19:56 <Stablean> <Big Meech> click and drag first one in the row 05:20:06 <Stablean> <Jomann> I saw this when I accidently had mouse over other type of signal 05:20:17 <Stablean> <Jomann> wow nice 05:20:21 <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh, ha 05:20:28 <Stablean> <Big Meech> you have your signaling every 1 space 05:20:42 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah I have full lines 05:20:44 <Stablean> <Big Meech> do you see the signals box? 05:20:59 <Stablean> <Big Meech> theres a little arrow left and right in the very last box on the right bottom row 05:21:06 <Stablean> <Jomann> I know 05:21:16 <Stablean> <Big Meech> it should be set on 2 05:21:42 <Stablean> <Jomann> see my sign 05:21:44 <Stablean> <Jomann> ? 05:21:58 <Stablean> <Big Meech> at sign ? 05:22:20 <Stablean> <Jomann> y 05:22:28 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yes im looking there 05:22:30 <Stablean> <Jomann> 1 spaceed 05:22:36 <Stablean> <Jomann> instead of 2 05:22:42 <Stablean> <Jomann> because quite high traffic 05:23:00 <Stablean> <Big Meech> general rule of thumb is every 2 spaces 05:23:12 <Stablean> <Jomann> why? 05:23:14 <Stablean> <Big Meech> you only need to do heavy signalling very occasionally 05:23:33 <Stablean> <Big Meech> its hard to rework and or add to tracks with trains moving when you have signals every 1 space 05:23:51 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah I know that :D 05:24:10 <Stablean> <Jomann> but when I 1 space put it there it jams traffic 05:24:16 <Stablean> <Jomann> eh 2 spaced 05:24:19 <Stablean> <Big Meech> good news is it looks like you have a good grasp on building already 05:24:34 <Stablean> <Big Meech> you will get better at building well with 2 spacing on singals soon 05:24:53 <Stablean> <Big Meech> the longer you build and play here the better you will get 05:25:07 <Stablean> <Jomann> I felt that from first minute here >:( 05:25:11 <Stablean> <Jomann> ty 05:25:29 <Stablean> <Big Meech> i notice some of your issues already where you have spaced every 1 spot 05:25:31 <Stablean> <Jomann> so it is wrong track layout when I need 1 spaced signals? 05:25:50 <Stablean> <Big Meech> well it usually indicates that there is a problem area 05:25:52 <Stablean> <Jomann> yes 05:26:15 <Stablean> <Big Meech> either a split causing a slowdown or a station causing backup or bridges that need doubling 05:26:33 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah I alreadz shorten the bridges near the sign 05:26:59 <Stablean> <Big Meech> even with a bridge span of 4, you would want to use a minimum of 2 bridges per track 05:27:09 <Stablean> <Big Meech> you would have to think of the bridges as a signal gap 05:27:19 <Stablean> <Big Meech> once a train is in the gap, another train cannot proceed 05:27:31 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah same with tunnel 05:27:37 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yup 05:28:03 <Stablean> <Big Meech> looks like a few others have helped you out already then :D 05:28:11 <Stablean> <Jomann> how? 05:28:17 <Stablean> <Jomann> with building etc? 05:28:21 <Stablean> <Big Meech> well telling you about gap and tunnel / bridge 05:28:32 <Stablean> <Jomann> no that I noticed bz myeself 05:28:42 <Stablean> <Jomann> argh wrong keyboard layout 05:28:44 <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh very good 05:28:55 <Stablean> <Jomann> but they helped me in general things etc. 05:29:14 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yup 05:29:17 <Stablean> <Big Meech> good :D 05:29:27 <Stablean> <Jomann> ,) 05:29:41 <Stablean> <Big Meech> i showed you a small bridge demo at !demo 05:30:31 <Stablean> <Jomann> ahhh thats why all good players do this 05:30:37 <Stablean> <Jomann> k I see the reason :( 05:32:42 <Stablean> <Big Meech> you'll do it naturally soon enough 05:32:42 <Stablean> <Big Meech> you can take a snapshot of anything in game with printscreen 05:32:42 <Stablean> <Big Meech> that might help you down the road 05:32:42 <Stablean> <Big Meech> it helped me 05:32:42 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh those eays examples are good to remember 05:32:42 <Stablean> <Big Meech> hope it helps 05:32:56 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh with speed daemons there is 3 tile curve to low 05:33:42 <Stablean> <Big Meech> 3 length in the curve should be okay, i dont think it has tilt 05:33:56 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined spectators 05:33:58 <Stablean> <Jomann> it has speed goes 100 down 05:34:08 <Stablean> <Big Meech> it also depends on the length of the train 05:34:19 <Stablean> <Big Meech> i think some of your speed demons are okay 05:34:22 <Stablean> <Big Meech> as theyre shorter 05:34:37 <Stablean> <Jomann> see the sign? 05:34:44 <Stablean> <Big Meech> rule of thumb is that for a train length of 3, you should try curves of 3 05:35:20 <Stablean> <Big Meech> the speed would be lower in the inner lane for sure 05:35:27 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah tahts too 05:35:30 <Stablean> <Jomann> that 05:36:02 <Stablean> <Big Meech> the faster the locomotive, the higher curve you usually need, i think the max speed on a 3 tile curve is around 250mph 05:36:29 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh those do 420 there 05:38:56 <Stablean> <Big Meech> did you have any questionS? 05:39:08 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh ony with auto replacing 05:39:15 <Stablean> <Jomann> trains 05:39:33 <Stablean> <Big Meech> ah 05:39:47 <Stablean> <Big Meech> may i join your company? 05:39:53 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I would need your p/w 05:40:00 <Stablean> <Jomann> sure 05:40:27 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined company #3 05:40:39 <Stablean> <Big Meech> it usually helps to group trains 05:41:06 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yes, click o nthe train button in the 4th grop of icons in the top panel 05:41:08 <Stablean> <Jomann> the network with the grain drop 05:41:38 <Stablean> <Jomann> depot menu or train menu? 05:42:00 <Stablean> <Big Meech> looks like a train, next toe the truck / boat and ship 05:42:11 <Stablean> <Big Meech> click it once should bring up the menu 05:42:38 <Stablean> <Jomann> the autoreplace button? 05:43:24 <Stablean> <Big Meech> hmm? :) 05:43:42 <Stablean> <Big Meech> i don't want to lose you, have you clicked on the train menu? 05:44:00 <Stablean> <Big Meech> should say jomann transport - 181 trains 05:44:04 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhhh in the depot right? 05:44:19 <Stablean> <Big Meech> no, you;'re not clikcing on any depot 05:44:21 <Stablean> <Jomann> ahhh you mean on top menu 05:44:24 <Stablean> <Big Meech> top menu 05:44:26 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yep 05:44:28 <Stablean> <Jomann> ok 05:44:38 <Stablean> <Big Meech> train box popped up? 05:44:48 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah so I group them 05:44:59 <Stablean> <Big Meech> ill leave grouping for later 05:45:18 <Stablean> <Big Meech> at the bottom it says available trains, and a small arrow, click the small arrow 05:45:33 <Stablean> <Jomann> y 05:45:35 <Stablean> <Big Meech> first opetion is replace vehicles 05:46:15 <Stablean> <Big Meech> the problem you have at the moment is you have some old rail vehicles and maglev it looks like 05:46:33 <Stablean> <Big Meech> but this is the replace menu 05:46:35 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh I use universal rail anyways 05:46:53 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah looks much better I tried it in the depot 05:47:03 <Stablean> <Jomann> but autoreplace didnt work there 05:47:09 <Stablean> <Big Meech> depot is super hard as you only do 1 train at a time 05:47:15 <Stablean> <Jomann> sure 05:47:26 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I think that autoreplace menu only renews the same eingine type 05:47:36 <Stablean> <Jomann> but I think I will group all trains next round from beginning ?:( 05:47:47 <Stablean> <Big Meech> you will want to do that for next game, yes 05:48:17 <Stablean> <Big Meech> seperate each type of train too, Grain / wood / plastic / toys / scrap / ect 05:48:33 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yes like that 05:49:03 <Stablean> <Big Meech> if you click on ungrouped trains you will get a better idea of what is not grouped 05:52:41 <Stablean> <Big Meech> if you want your mind blown go to www.wiki.openttdcoop.org 05:53:00 <Stablean> <Big Meech> i didnt see a replacement tutorial there though, sadly 05:53:20 <Stablean> <Jomann> eh lol 05:53:30 <Stablean> <Jomann> you dont even need to send it to depot? 05:54:08 <Stablean> <Big Meech> after you execute the replace order, they usually find a depot to switch into 05:54:18 <Stablean> <Big Meech> i say usually because sometimes they can't find a route 05:54:18 <Stablean> <Jomann> ah I see 05:54:30 <Stablean> <Jomann> one train isnt replaced in test grouped 05:54:33 <Stablean> <Jomann> but hey awesome 05:54:49 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (general timeout) 05:54:49 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (connection lost) 05:54:55 <Stablean> <Jomann> thx a lot 05:55:17 <Stablean> *** Big Meech joined the game 05:55:25 <Stablean> <Big Meech> sorry :) 05:55:35 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined company #3 05:56:07 <Stablean> <Big Meech> there are tricks on where to place your depots 05:56:17 <Stablean> <Jomann> np 05:56:19 <Stablean> <Jomann> thx a lot 05:56:21 <Stablean> <Big Meech> its not finding one with pathfinding 05:56:25 <Stablean> <Jomann> I see best on both sides 05:56:59 <Stablean> <Big Meech> sometimes you do have to send them to depot 05:57:09 <Stablean> <Big Meech> looks like it missed the last depot 05:57:32 <Stablean> <Jomann> I see 05:57:55 <Stablean> <Jomann> ok but they blocking all traffic :D 05:58:25 <Stablean> <Big Meech> like i said, there are tricks to prevent complete jamming of the network 05:58:43 <Stablean> <Big Meech> looks like all of your depots are ' visible ' and on the main lines 06:00:22 <Stablean> <Big Meech> we can chat more or you can ask others more stuff but as for now its 2am and I need to go to bed 06:00:32 <Stablean> <Jomann> oh yes 06:00:38 <Stablean> <Jomann> oh yes 06:00:40 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined spectators 06:00:42 <Stablean> <Jomann> thx a lot 06:00:44 <Stablean> <Jomann> and sleep well 06:00:54 <Stablean> <Big Meech> Thanks, I hope some of the stuff we discussed helps you out 06:01:04 <Stablean> <Big Meech> and hope to see you again on this server 06:01:06 <Stablean> <Jomann> sure with the trains massive 06:01:09 <Stablean> <Jomann> sure 06:01:15 <Stablean> <Big Meech> ttyl 06:01:25 <Stablean> <Jomann> :) 06:11:17 *** dirace has joined #openttdcoop.stable 06:24:28 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (general timeout) 06:24:28 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (connection lost) 07:25:30 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 07:25:33 <Stablean> <Jomann> ohh happy 07:25:39 <Stablean> <Jomann> glad to see you 07:25:41 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi 07:25:49 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> and u to 07:26:11 <Stablean> <Jomann> are u willing to do a problem analyse? 07:26:13 <Stablean> <Jomann> :( 07:26:27 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> i have not got lone i got to go out soon 07:26:37 <Stablean> <Jomann> okay 07:26:44 <Stablean> <Jomann> but maybe you have an quick idea 07:26:58 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> doo a sign and i have a look 07:27:04 <Stablean> <Jomann> speed down sign 07:27:14 <Stablean> <Jomann> I just made third track with those two bridges 07:27:22 <Stablean> <Jomann> and see big station the traffic 07:27:30 <Stablean> <Jomann> only one train goes in at time 07:28:25 <Stablean> <Jomann> seems sth totally broken with pathing 07:28:33 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok 07:29:20 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> rite i for got your password 07:29:43 <Stablean> <Jomann> you se an error? 07:29:45 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #3 07:30:11 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 07:30:22 <Stablean> <V453000> m00 07:30:24 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi v 07:30:26 <Stablean> <Jomann> hey 07:31:05 <Stablean> <Jomann> if u do sth pls make a sign so I know the error for next time 07:34:09 <Stablean> <V453000> that is important to explain happy 07:34:12 <Stablean> *** V453000 has started a new company (#11) 07:34:24 <Stablean> <V453000> see this Jomann 07:34:54 <Stablean> <Jomann> that it works now yes.. but dont see any difference 07:35:05 <Stablean> <V453000> thats why I am trying to explain it 07:35:07 <Stablean> <V453000> here 07:35:13 <Stablean> <V453000> this is what you originally had 07:35:21 <Stablean> <V453000> the problem is that the trains can collide with each other 07:35:31 <Stablean> <V453000> at the X of rails 07:35:45 <Stablean> <V453000> so how you solve this is that the secondary connection does not make any crossing like that 07:35:47 <Stablean> <V453000> crossings are bad 07:35:47 <Stablean> <Jomann> so no X junctions on 2 way ml? 07:36:01 <Stablean> <V453000> yeah 07:36:12 <Stablean> <V453000> so you just let each of the lines be joined by a separate connection 07:36:30 <Stablean> <Jomann> ok think I got it 07:36:40 <Stablean> <V453000> that is why I told you to use the basic signals 07:36:48 <Stablean> <V453000> because PBS keeps you in doing the crosses 07:37:02 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah I switched some already 07:37:16 <Stablean> <Jomann> I rebuild other signals because wanted to know if it has to do with basic signals 07:37:19 <Stablean> <V453000> I know ... it is tough to convert the rails though :) maybe should have left it for next game 07:38:27 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> i got to go now 07:38:29 <Stablean> <Jomann> so with the signals I used X junctions are _allowed_ 07:38:31 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 07:41:39 <Stablean> <V453000> no 07:41:45 <Stablean> <V453000> that is only misleading 07:42:04 <Stablean> <V453000> in other words, every crossing like that has terrible throughput 07:42:23 <Stablean> <V453000> meaning the lower amount of those you can make, the better 07:42:38 <Stablean> <V453000> but technically speaking, they are the reason why such X junctions can work due to the pathfinding 07:42:49 <Stablean> <V453000> e.g. basic signal lets train in only if there is no train in the following block 07:43:03 <Stablean> <V453000> path signal finds the individual paths 07:43:39 <Stablean> <V453000> the block approach would look this way in this case 07:44:06 <Stablean> <V453000> but, this is not a real crossing 07:44:20 <Stablean> <V453000> so you possibly Could replace it with path based signal just as well in this case 07:44:34 <Stablean> <V453000> like that 07:44:40 <Stablean> <Jomann> so but for good blocks at stations I need path signals? 07:45:15 <Stablean> <V453000> you just need to learn to separate signal blocks 07:45:21 <Stablean> <V453000> you do not really need PBS signals for now 07:45:32 <Stablean> <V453000> they are just the last ditch effort if all else fails and you need space 07:45:43 <Stablean> <V453000> but it is best to learn the block signals 07:46:05 <Stablean> <V453000> you cant do that though 07:46:11 <Stablean> <V453000> do not combine them 07:46:17 <Stablean> <Jomann> I see it got much more difficult :) 07:46:35 <Stablean> <V453000> yes but once you learn it, it will open a lot of new options for you 07:46:49 <Stablean> <V453000> in this station, you do not need this 07:46:55 <Stablean> <V453000> that 07:47:06 <Stablean> <V453000> each line getting 5/6 platforms is just fine 07:47:17 <Stablean> <Jomann> ok 07:47:31 <Stablean> <V453000> btw it is nicer using the appropriate rail instead of universal :P 07:47:31 <Stablean> <Jomann> but I need the entry signals as it seems 07:47:37 <Stablean> <V453000> the trains are drawn bigger for bigger maglev tracks 07:47:53 <Stablean> <V453000> entry signal is the one which stops trains when all platforms are full 07:48:16 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah but without entry signals not all platforms where used 07:48:34 <Stablean> <V453000> that is only because you have a lot of platforms for not so much traffic :) 07:48:41 <Stablean> <V453000> which is alright 07:49:13 <Stablean> <V453000> by the way, the fast class of trains is very hard to deal with 07:49:23 <Stablean> <V453000> medium or even strong is the best for learning 07:49:49 <Stablean> <Jomann> but when it is hard to deal with isnt the learning curve steeper? 07:50:27 <Stablean> <V453000> no this is a lot more complicated 07:50:41 <Stablean> <V453000> by having your trains accelerate well, you need to have your network set up more precisely 07:50:49 <Stablean> <V453000> as every detail matters more - because train density is higher 07:50:59 <Stablean> <V453000> so you can discover the mistakes and errors 07:50:59 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah felt that 07:51:33 <Stablean> <V453000> while poorly accelerating trains will just jam in general because of the poor density 07:51:40 <Stablean> <Jomann> but network ran good until I made this x junction 07:51:47 <Stablean> <V453000> there are ways how to make fast trains effective but it is very hard and needs some special tricks 07:52:05 <Stablean> <V453000> well yes, you still do not have enough trains to make this engine difference really valid 07:52:15 <Stablean> <V453000> but sooner or later you will get the network to be full 07:52:31 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah missing resources. I wanted to build more but then this jam came out :( 07:53:17 <Stablean> <V453000> prospect and add :) 07:53:35 <Stablean> <Jomann> I would like to have more eng supplies 07:54:06 <Stablean> <V453000> that wont happen as they have their ratio on which they are produced 07:54:28 <Stablean> <V453000> which is good because it means you need to think of some better redistribution 07:56:15 <Stablean> <V453000> well I think I flooded you with enough info for now :P 07:56:18 <Stablean> *** V453000 has joined spectators 07:56:23 <Stablean> <Jomann> no its okay :) 07:56:37 <Stablean> <Jomann> but good to know that thing with these x junction 07:56:37 <Stablean> <V453000> do you know our website? openttdcoop.org 07:56:47 <Stablean> <V453000> especially the wiki part, eventually the savegame archives 07:56:47 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah visited it some hours ago 07:56:54 <Stablean> <V453000> good 07:57:54 <Stablean> <Jomann> I see there are more than this server 07:59:20 <Stablean> <V453000> yes, the main stuff is on the public server 07:59:27 <Stablean> <V453000> pro zone is rather situational 07:59:50 <Stablean> <Jomann> thought so noone there 08:00:14 <Stablean> <V453000> there isnt even a game running, we finished one not too long ago 08:00:45 <Stablean> <Jomann> is it e.g. for port quadruple whatever I pump in? 08:01:03 <Stablean> <V453000> dont know about that 08:01:25 <Stablean> <V453000> but either of the goods,alcohol,or pertrol should increase the production there 08:01:33 <Stablean> <V453000> but, only 224 units monthly is enough 08:01:39 <Stablean> <V453000> more wont increase it 08:01:49 <Stablean> <Jomann> ah ok 08:02:11 <Stablean> <V453000> so the idea is that you need to make your delivery adapted to that 08:02:17 <Stablean> <V453000> not to deliver too much but make sure you deliver 224 08:02:20 <Stablean> *** V453000 has started a new company (#11) 08:02:28 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah and more delivery to other ports 08:02:34 <Stablean> <V453000> quite 08:03:49 <Stablean> <V453000> 4.5 tile chameleon traisn have exactly 224 capacity 08:04:07 <Stablean> <V453000> 4.5 tiles might be a weird length, but I would definitely use that if it gave me such precise number :) 08:04:19 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh thats true 08:04:33 <Stablean> <Jomann> but I wont build network from 3 to 4.5 :( 08:04:39 <Stablean> <V453000> well not this time 08:04:42 <Stablean> <V453000> some next time 08:04:48 <Stablean> <Jomann> sure 08:05:22 <Stablean> <Jomann> well I got 220 with two trains 08:05:48 <Stablean> <V453000> yes but 220 is like the worst possible option 08:05:59 <Stablean> <V453000> because it means you need 3 trains to have 224+ 08:06:17 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh only 4 less? with two trains 08:06:19 <Stablean> <V453000> which is a whole of 106 cargo wasted from the third train 08:06:33 <Stablean> <V453000> if you have 220, 224 gung-ho state wont happen ofc 08:06:35 <Stablean> <V453000> you need 224 or more 08:06:50 <Stablean> <Jomann> ah right 08:07:30 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh to bad that you cant see how much you delivered last month 08:08:10 <Stablean> <V453000> well it still makes you think of something special :) 08:08:29 <Stablean> <V453000> if you have a well-thought mechanism and system how it is done, then you do not need it to be shown because you are sure :P 08:08:40 <Stablean> <Jomann> hehe true 08:09:30 <Stablean> *** V453000 has joined spectators 08:09:46 <Stablean> <V453000> I havent played with this latest version of FIRS, but it looks quite interesting 08:10:00 <Stablean> <Jomann> FIRS? 08:10:06 <Stablean> <V453000> the industry set 08:10:20 <Stablean> <Jomann> ah yeah.. its fun with those supplies 08:10:50 <Stablean> <Jomann> only thing is u cant use fish 08:10:56 <Stablean> <Jomann> because most fish in water 08:11:10 <Stablean> <V453000> it is always maximum of 4 tiles away from land 08:11:16 <Stablean> <V453000> so you can catch it with train stations 08:11:24 <Stablean> <Jomann> oh really 08:11:26 <Stablean> <V453000> yes 08:11:40 <Stablean> <V453000> but the bigger problem is that fish does not increase production for some reason 08:12:00 <Stablean> <Jomann> for harbor? 08:12:18 <Stablean> <V453000> harbor is just the place where it is processed 08:12:28 <Stablean> <V453000> the fishing grounds do not increase production 08:12:30 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah and fish does nothing? 08:12:36 <Stablean> <V453000> they get no supplies, and do not increase by themselves 08:12:50 <Stablean> <Jomann> true 08:12:56 <Stablean> <V453000> well nothing ... it can be transported, but it gets boring over time 08:13:14 <Stablean> <Jomann> btw does it matter how much tiles I am into some industry? 08:13:20 <Stablean> <V453000> no 08:13:23 <Stablean> <Jomann> with my station 08:13:25 <Stablean> <Jomann> ok 08:13:31 <Stablean> <Jomann> so one tile is enough 08:13:33 <Stablean> <V453000> industry is industry as a whole 08:13:40 <Stablean> <V453000> for houses it matters as each house counts for itself 08:13:46 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah 08:18:21 <Stablean> <V453000> well I will be going 08:18:22 <Stablean> <V453000> enjoy 08:18:24 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 08:18:26 <Stablean> <Jomann> thx a lot 08:18:34 <V453000> you are welcome 08:26:09 <Stablean> *** LucasCZE joined the game 08:29:49 <Stablean> *** LucasCZE has left the game (leaving) 08:58:41 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 09:01:55 <Stablean> *** Diablo has joined company #6 09:24:06 <Stablean> *** Whimplash joined the game 09:26:28 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 09:26:36 <Stablean> <V453000> moo 09:26:54 <Stablean> <Jomann> jo 09:27:08 <Stablean> <V453000> lol the ships Diablo 09:27:26 <Stablean> <Diablo> hi v 09:27:29 <Stablean> <Diablo> ikr 09:27:40 <Stablean> <Diablo> thats wat boredom does 09:28:02 <Stablean> <V453000> I never understood how could you be bored when playing a game but okay 09:28:44 <Stablean> <Diablo> its also my anti-steal stuff 09:28:54 <Stablean> *** Whimplash has left the game (leaving) 09:28:58 <Stablean> <V453000> :d 09:29:21 <Stablean> <Diablo> in tyhe last game, someone took goods from my goods pick up 09:29:43 <Stablean> <V453000> just report it to any admin and it wont last for long 09:32:13 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 09:44:47 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving) 09:49:55 <Stablean> <Jomann> oops 10:23:18 *** kuch3n has joined #openttdcoop.stable 10:23:56 *** kuch3n is now known as Guest5400 10:30:17 *** Guest5301 has quit IRC 12:52:59 <Stablean> *** Jomann has left the game (leaving) 12:52:59 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 13:38:06 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 13:38:07 <Stablean> *** dirace joined the game 13:43:11 <Stablean> *** dirace has left the game (leaving) 14:12:33 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (connection lost) 14:12:33 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:18:27 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:20:03 <Stablean> *** 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19:22:58 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Nothing to download 19:23:03 <V453000> !content 19:23:05 <Stablean> V453000: [Content Update] Expect timeout triggered! 19:23:05 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes) 19:23:05 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Nothing to download 19:23:08 <V453000> !content 19:23:10 <Stablean> V453000: [Content Update] Expect timeout triggered! 19:23:10 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes) 19:23:10 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Nothing to download 19:23:15 <V453000> !getsave https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/StableNUTS72.sav 19:23:21 <Stablean> V453000: OK :-) 19:23:23 <V453000> !restart 19:23:23 <Stablean> Restart scheduled, will be initiated in next minute! 19:24:01 <Stablean> Scheduled quit for automated maintenance... will be back shortely 19:24:01 <Stablean> Thank you for playing 1.3.0. 19:24:05 <Stablean> Server has exited 19:24:05 *** Stablean has quit IRC 19:24:23 <V453000> bye. 19:24:27 *** Stablean has joined #openttdcoop.stable 19:24:27 <Stablean> Autopilot engaged 19:24:27 <Stablean> Loading savegame: '{#openttdcoop} Welcome Server (www.openttdcoop.org)' 19:24:27 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Stablean 19:24:27 *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop Welcome to OpenTTD Server | 1.3.0 | Admin channel (ask for op) | IF you prepare map, read http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Map_Preparation | run !setdef after loading a new game | http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/servers-stable" 19:25:04 <Stablean> V450000000000, now you can execute !-commands ;-) 19:25:09 <V453000> !rcon cd 3 19:25:11 <V453000> !rcon load 2 19:25:14 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 19:25:15 <V453000> OBEY 19:25:20 <V453000> hm 19:25:52 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:25:54 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 19:26:17 <V453000> !content 19:26:17 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Connection established 19:26:17 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes) 19:26:17 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Nothing to download 19:26:20 <V453000> !content 19:26:22 <Stablean> V453000: [Content Update] Expect timeout triggered! 19:26:24 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] All 0 downloaded 19:26:24 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] (you need to rescan(ai|game|newgrf) to have the new content loaded) 19:26:26 <V453000> !content 19:26:28 <Stablean> V453000: [Content Update] Expect timeout triggered! 19:26:29 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 4 file(s) (519136 bytes) 19:26:29 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes) 19:26:31 <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Nothing to download 19:26:32 <V453000> ........... 19:26:38 <V453000> !restart 19:26:38 <Stablean> Restart scheduled, will be initiated in next minute! 19:27:02 <Stablean> Scheduled quit for automated maintenance... will be back shortely 19:27:02 <Stablean> Thank you for playing 1.3.0. 19:27:06 <Stablean> Server has exited 19:27:06 *** Stablean has quit IRC 19:27:16 *** Stablean has joined #openttdcoop.stable 19:27:16 <Stablean> Autopilot engaged 19:27:16 <Stablean> Loading savegame: '{#openttdcoop} Welcome Server (www.openttdcoop.org)' 19:27:17 *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop Welcome to OpenTTD Server | 1.3.0 | Admin channel (ask for op) | IF you prepare map, read http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Map_Preparation | run !setdef after loading a new game | http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/servers-stable" 19:27:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Stablean 19:27:28 <Stablean> V450000000000, now you can execute !-commands ;-) 19:28:07 <V453000> !rcon cd 3 19:28:09 <V453000> !rcon load 2 19:28:11 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:28:23 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:28:24 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 19:28:28 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 19:31:41 <V453000> !getsave https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/StableNUTS72a.sav 19:31:44 <Stablean> V453000: OK :-) 19:31:48 <V453000> !rcon load 2 19:31:50 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:32:19 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:32:20 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 19:37:25 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:37:26 <Stablean> *** srooor joined the game 19:46:07 *** chester_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 19:52:28 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:52:31 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 19:52:38 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi v 19:53:42 <Stablean> <V453000> elo 19:54:44 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has started a new company (#2) 19:57:26 <Stablean> *** Matt S. has started a new company (#3) 19:57:29 <Stablean> *** Matt S. joined the game 19:57:52 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi matts 19:58:15 *** ODM has quit IRC 19:58:18 <Stablean> <Matt S.> hi 19:58:42 <Stablean> *** Matt S. has left the game (leaving) 20:04:19 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 20:04:30 <Stablean> <Diablo> hi 20:05:20 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi diablo 20:05:39 <Stablean> <Diablo> hi happy 20:08:55 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving) 20:12:00 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> nice map v 20:14:27 <Stablean> *** Jomann joined the game 20:14:35 <Stablean> <Jomann> heeey 20:14:37 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> v can u un paused the game or ar u stil doing sume thin on this map 20:14:43 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi 20:14:59 <Stablean> <Jomann> ohhh nooey u destroyed my first own good rail track. 20:15:14 <Stablean> <Jomann> okay wouldnt have been possible without your help... 20:15:18 <Stablean> <Jomann> but!!!! 20:15:36 <Stablean> <Jomann> ok I will start a better one :) 20:15:48 <V453000> !auto 20:15:48 <Stablean> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode. 20:15:50 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (manual) 20:16:30 <Stablean> <Jomann> so no supplies this time? 20:16:41 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep 20:17:07 <Stablean> <Jomann> happy thx for your help last map. 20:17:17 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> np 20:17:35 <Stablean> <Jomann> I was frustrated I tried a lot and u fixed it right away :) 20:18:17 <Stablean> *** Jomann has started a new company (#1) 20:19:25 <Stablean> <Jomann> less water I think this is good 20:19:36 <Stablean> <V453000> :) 20:37:45 *** Jam35 has quit IRC 20:37:59 <Stablean> *** Muel joined the game 20:39:39 <Stablean> <Muel> hi 20:39:39 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi muel 20:39:41 <Stablean> <Jomann> hi 20:41:15 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> how things muel 20:41:29 <Stablean> <Muel> i dont know 20:42:33 <Stablean> *** Muel has started a new company (#3) 20:49:17 <Stablean> *** Timopo has started a new company (#4) 20:49:19 <Stablean> *** Timopo joined the game 20:50:01 <Stablean> <Muel> cv 20:52:53 <Stablean> *** JE joined the game 20:52:57 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi je 20:53:03 <Stablean> <JE> Hi.. :) 20:53:09 <Stablean> <Muel> hi7 20:53:21 <Stablean> <V453000> helo 20:53:24 <Stablean> <JE> :D 20:53:30 <Stablean> <Timopo> hi all 20:53:32 <Stablean> <Jomann> hi 20:53:51 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi 20:53:58 <Stablean> <JE> Muel, V453000: bavme se jazykem slovanů... ;) 20:54:20 <Stablean> <Muel> official languages this server is english ... 20:54:27 <Stablean> <V453000> ^ 20:54:30 <Stablean> <JE> :) 20:54:32 <Stablean> <Muel> ? 20:57:40 <Stablean> <Muel> happy tran sport: sign 20:57:51 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ar thanks 20:58:05 <Stablean> <Muel> :) 21:00:14 <Stablean> *** Timopo has left the game (leaving) 21:04:54 <Stablean> <JE> Bye.. :) 21:05:00 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> bb 21:05:03 <Stablean> <Jomann> bye bye 21:05:21 <Stablean> *** JE has left the game (leaving) 21:12:51 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 21:13:09 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> wb diablo 21:13:43 <Stablean> <Diablo> :) 21:14:05 <Stablean> <Muel> hi 21:14:20 <Stablean> <Diablo> hi muel 21:14:22 <Stablean> <Jomann> hi 21:14:24 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi 21:14:38 <Stablean> <Diablo> hi hjamann 21:15:05 <Stablean> <Diablo> *jomann 21:15:16 <Stablean> <Jomann> jo hey Diablo :) 21:15:29 *** chester_ has quit IRC 21:15:30 <Stablean> <Jomann> but it is nearly the same in german 21:15:38 <Stablean> <Jomann> ja and jo 21:15:52 <Stablean> <Diablo> whats jo? 21:16:32 <Stablean> <Jomann> if you speak perfect german. jo means not really yes. 21:16:48 <Stablean> <Jomann> more a yo man whats up 21:17:07 *** Speedy has quit IRC 21:17:14 <Stablean> <Diablo> jomann, can i suggest that you put 1-way signals at the entrance of stations 21:17:16 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh I cannot explain it well my english is too bad for this 21:17:38 <Stablean> <Diablo> u explained the basics and thats enough 21:17:48 <Stablean> <Jomann> eh I did before. then V and an other guy said... no you wont because use basic signals 21:18:19 <Stablean> <Jomann> I had one way signals before on each line entrance but V meant its better for learning to me :) 21:18:33 <Stablean> <Diablo> ah 21:19:16 <Stablean> <Jomann> so? 21:20:06 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving) 21:21:20 <Stablean> *** Anstonio joined the game 21:21:25 <Stablean> <Anstonio> hello all 21:21:27 <Stablean> <Muel> hi 21:21:33 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi 21:22:11 <Stablean> *** Muel has left the game (leaving) 21:23:12 <Stablean> *** NL-Koelkast joined the game 21:23:39 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh the one way signal does not work too 21:24:02 *** Sylf has joined #openttdcoop.stable 21:24:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sylf 21:24:39 <Stablean> *** Anstonio has started a new company (#5) 21:32:35 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#6) 21:33:01 <Mazur> !rcon move 33 255 21:33:01 <Mazur> "Player", when you play in a company, use a proper nick, you can set one with !name yourname in the textbox 21:33:03 <Stablean> Mazur: *** Player has joined spectators 21:33:24 <Stablean> <Player> Okey dokey 21:33:35 <Stablean> <Player> Is there any way to see chat history? 21:34:01 <Stablean> <Jomann> key next to 1 for me 21:34:07 <Stablean> *** NL-Koelkast has joined company #5 21:34:11 <Stablean> <Player> Ah, thanks 21:34:23 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 22:04:29 <Stablean> <V453000> Jomann: it would be a good idea to use medium or more likely even the strong train class 22:04:47 <Stablean> <V453000> your trains suffer in short curves and more importancly hills quite terribly 22:04:53 <Stablean> <Jomann> I felt like it they had hard time with those hills :D 22:05:03 <Stablean> <V453000> try strong class :) difference is massive 22:05:17 <Stablean> <V453000> the speed does not really give you that much 22:05:56 <Stablean> <V453000> for now, good night 22:05:58 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 22:06:02 <Stablean> <Jomann> ok ty 22:06:24 <Stablean> <Jomann> gn8 22:17:48 *** Dom__ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 22:20:53 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 22:20:53 *** Dom__ is now known as Dom_ 22:23:31 <Stablean> *** NL-Koelkast has left the game (leaving) 22:30:14 <Stablean> *** Anstonio has left the game (general timeout) 22:30:14 <Stablean> *** Anstonio has left the game (connection lost) 22:33:26 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> how is your net werk going jomann 22:33:41 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh not so good right now 22:33:53 <Stablean> <Jomann> weak trains :( 22:34:07 <Stablean> <Jomann> and yours? 22:34:14 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ver good 22:34:20 <Stablean> <Jomann> thats nice 22:34:39 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> i got 80 trans now 22:35:05 <Stablean> <Jomann> wow it already looks very nice 22:39:27 <Stablean> <Jomann> my trains goin with 3.2 up the hill 22:40:41 <Stablean> *** srooor has left the game (connection lost) 22:43:22 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> jomann u shord 2 tran engines on them 22:43:45 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh saw them on your railways 22:44:03 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> to keep the speed up 22:44:37 <Stablean> <Jomann> so two heavy machines for each train? 22:45:11 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep 22:45:33 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> thats y i doo short trans 22:45:55 <Stablean> <Jomann> ok let me try 22:46:07 <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah good idea... that would be more trains :) 22:47:49 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh cn I use replace menu for remove one cargo only? 22:47:55 <Stablean> <Jomann> one wagon? 22:48:05 <Stablean> <Jomann> I mean for grouped trains 22:53:14 *** Dom__ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 22:57:38 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 22:57:38 *** Dom__ is now known as Dom_ 23:10:18 <Stablean> <Jomann> ok all engines two now :) 23:32:10 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok i got no 120 trans now 23:32:56 <Stablean> <Jomann> wow 23:38:02 <Stablean> <Jomann> mhhh Iam unlucky with my goods 23:38:20 <Stablean> <Jomann> every city I choose does not accept goods after some transports 23:38:54 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> u have to gro the town 23:40:58 <Stablean> *** Jomann has left the game (general timeout) 23:40:58 <Stablean> *** Jomann has left the game (connection lost) 23:43:23 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport 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