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Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 2nd October 2013:
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00:53:31  <Stablean> <bon> ughh ... seriously .. why am I almost out of fund again? :|
01:10:30  <Stablean> <bon> I swear someone need to recheck the construction costs...it shouldn't cost a lot just to try hop unbuildable water tiles
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02:15:38  <Sylf> !date
02:15:38  <Stablean> Sylf: 11 Jun 2167
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03:01:23  <Sylf> !rcon load 2
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03:01:36  <Sylf> !date
03:01:36  <Stablean> Sylf:  1 Jan 1920
03:01:50  <Sylf> !auto
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03:01:53  <Sylf> !setdef
03:01:53  <Stablean> *** Sylf has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
03:02:03  <Sylf> !rcon reset_company 1
03:02:03  <Stablean> Sylf: Company deleted.
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03:13:52  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yoyoyoyoyooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
03:13:54  <Stablean> <Sylf> yoyo
03:14:09  <Stablean> <Big Meech> he, you just made this? :)
03:14:15  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah
03:14:27  <Stablean> <Sylf> and I finally pinpointed the cause of rail conversion problem
03:14:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> and what would that be?
03:14:48  <Stablean> <Sylf> Base price mod
03:15:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> v453000 will be interested in your fix
03:15:28  <Stablean> <Big Meech> what was causing it?
03:15:31  <Stablean> <Sylf> if base price mod is loaded after purr, it breaks the conversion
03:15:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> b/c after you left yesterday i was able to convert with no problems in the old game
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03:24:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh , have you been building all with prsigs? I can change my station layout :)
03:24:30  <Stablean> <Sylf> it doesn't matter
03:24:36  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh okie doke
03:31:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> going wide early?
03:31:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> yes
03:34:04  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you making that new line to oil too?
03:34:24  <Stablean> <Big Meech> cz i can connect oil
03:34:26  <Stablean> <Sylf> no
03:34:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> this is food
03:34:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> okie
03:35:19  <Stablean> <Big Meech> so that line connet food stuffs only?
03:35:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> no
03:35:47  <Stablean> <Sylf> It really doesn't matter what connects to what so early in the game
03:35:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> just build and expand
03:36:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> connect Great Grondhattan fruits
03:36:59  <Stablean> <Sylf> forget the stuff that's so close to the plant
03:37:09  <Stablean> <Big Meech> well i will finish this one first
03:38:40  <Stablean> <Big Meech> if i do that the line from oil will have to connect to fruits line
03:38:58  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah
03:39:00  <Stablean> <Sylf> I know
03:39:15  <Stablean> <Sylf> we connect all lines eventually in all games
03:42:34  <Stablean> <Big Meech> thats not fruit
03:42:35  <Stablean> <Big Meech> its rubber
03:42:38  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah
03:42:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh doh!
03:42:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> they go to same place right?
03:42:57  <Stablean> <Sylf> no
03:43:11  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Double Doh!
03:50:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> brb
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04:07:07  <Stablean> <Big Meech> WoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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04:13:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> any interest in connecting great grondhattan oil wells as a feeder?
04:14:12  <Stablean> <Sylf> none
04:17:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> anthing else need dooing?
04:17:49  <Stablean> <Sylf> no
04:17:55  <Stablean> <Sylf> there's no need
04:18:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
04:18:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sounds like bullshit to me
04:18:22  <Stablean> <Big Meech> goods and food route?
04:18:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> if that's what you want next
04:19:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> it's still very early in the game, so it's anything goes
04:20:06  <Stablean> <Sylf> and with everything so cheap, there's nothing that should be holding anyone back from building anything
04:20:24  <Stablean> <Big Meech> food drop? :)
04:22:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> do you think we could get away with a drop for food and the goods at teh same town?
04:22:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> which town?
04:22:47  <Stablean> <Sylf> I have 3 towns with water drops so far
04:23:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh nice, do they need fgood as well?
04:23:12  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah
04:23:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> so the plan is to distrubute the food?
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04:54:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> moved fpp?
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04:54:08  <Stablean> <Sylf> yes
05:00:43  <Stablean> <Big Meech> odd place for that 2nd plantation
05:03:57  <Stablean> <Big Meech> does SML run off of a timer?
05:04:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I have SML on the brain xD
05:04:29  <Stablean> <Sylf> shifter?
05:04:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yeah
05:04:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> shift main lines
05:04:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> shifters use no timer
05:05:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> interesting to how it works on setting the trains equidistant apart
05:05:11  <Stablean> <Sylf> that's prozone game 13
05:05:13  <Stablean> <Big Meech> might have to look more at that one prozone game
05:05:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yeah
05:05:57  <Stablean> <Sylf> for that to work, you need a straight ML
05:08:56  <Stablean> <Sylf> actually, you need to have more than straight ML for t-sml to work
05:09:18  <Stablean> <Sylf> weight of all trains on the ML needs to be the same
05:09:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> which is okay for most cargo in desert
05:10:02  <Stablean> <Sylf> diamonds and goods are lighter than other cargoes
05:10:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> could you compensate instead of straight to do curves on the inside lanes to add length?
05:10:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> like an S=bend
05:10:24  <Stablean> <Sylf> also, all full trains need to travel in the same direction
05:10:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh wow, thats pretty complex
05:10:48  <Stablean> <Sylf> t-sml is EXTREMELY limited use
05:11:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> do you go about getting the trains the same weight by conditional orders?
05:11:14  <Stablean> <Sylf> it's extremely so, it's downright useless in any situations
05:11:24  <Stablean> <Sylf> no
05:11:46  <Stablean> <Sylf> conditional orders don't know anything about weight of the trains
05:11:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> you either have full or empty trains
05:12:03  <Stablean> <Big Meech> in a sense they could if you knew if 50% of the load was 1000 tons for example
05:12:13  <Stablean> <Sylf> 1t of maize is same weight as 1t of water.  that's not a problem.
05:12:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> in any case, it's rather pointless to talk about t-sml
05:12:54  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oke doke :)
05:13:17  <Stablean> <Sylf> you can build one of your own in your own local game
05:13:24  <Stablean> <Sylf> but be warned
05:13:38  <Stablean> <Sylf> if you want to build it from scratch, it'll take a LONG time
05:13:52  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sounds pretty painful
05:13:59  <Stablean> <Sylf> It is.
05:14:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i remmeber reading the article
05:14:05  <Stablean> <Big Meech> years in the making
05:14:25  <Stablean> <Sylf> you'll need to start with building a new timer
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05:14:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> that's pain in the ass number one already
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05:17:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :)
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05:28:36  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I see you completed bridge patrol :D
05:35:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> want to update to The Mountain?
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05:52:43  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :)
05:52:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> anything else you want done tongiht?
06:00:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh, I was afk
06:00:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you was :)
06:00:43  <Stablean> <Sylf> just started the upgrade
06:00:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> cool
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06:01:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> im probany gonna go soon
06:03:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> looking good so far
06:03:29  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Oh nice, wer'e no. 1 :D
06:03:35  <Stablean> <Big Meech> xD
06:03:43  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah, no1 in the last place
06:03:53  <Stablean> <Big Meech> aww man, tough competition!
06:04:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> happy privated me the other day telling me he was no.1
06:04:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> h\
06:04:48  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I thought it was cute
06:04:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :)
06:05:32  <Stablean> <Big Meech> pretty big map though
06:05:38  <Stablean> <Big Meech> should get lots of players building over eachother :D
06:05:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lmaoooooooo
06:07:06  <Stablean> <Big Meech> if i am bored tomorrow just connect more shit?
06:07:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> run goods
06:07:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> any particulary place you want them?
06:07:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> to all water and food drops
06:08:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> how should I divide the goods? 1 train to each then go from there?
06:08:16  <Stablean> <Sylf> see how food or water are handled
06:08:19  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Or pick 1, drop 1, pick 1 drop 2 pick 1 drop 3 ?
06:08:28  <V453000> m00000
06:08:29  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ill look now
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06:08:47  <Stablean> <Big Meech> moooomoooo mo!
06:08:49  <V453000> !date
06:08:49  <Stablean> V453000: 11 May 1933
06:08:50  <Sylf> mooooo
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06:09:30  <V453000> go build t-SML Meech :D
06:09:32  <V453000> I want to see
06:09:35  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
06:09:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ill just resave prozone game and put my name on it
06:10:05  <V453000> I expected something similarly hideous :D
06:10:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> my middle name is TSML
06:11:07  <Stablean> *** Big Meech has changed his/her name to BiG_TsMl_MeEcH
06:11:23  <V453000> excellent
06:11:28  <BiG_MeEcH> :D
06:11:32  <V453000> I will try not to call you overflow
06:11:34  <V453000> or boxcar
06:11:44  <BiG_MeEcH> Overflow Meech happens after I use the toilet
06:11:49  <V453000> XD
06:12:07  <V453000> what are you overflowing with at that time?
06:12:20  <BiG_MeEcH> urine and fecal matter
06:12:34  <BiG_MeEcH> when I'm done i become small Meech
06:12:42  <V453000> you are overflowing with urine and fecal matter AFTER you used the toilet?
06:12:58  <V453000> I dont want to know how did you use it
06:13:20  <BiG_MeEcH> my mouth is a reverse toilet
06:13:26  <BiG_MeEcH> food and water go in
06:13:38  <V453000> that I noticed, it apparently transfers to your fingers when typing shit too
06:13:46  <V453000> :>
06:14:05  <BiG_MeEcH> <3
06:14:39  <BiG_MeEcH> well i'm off for now
06:14:40  <BiG_MeEcH> seeya
06:14:44  <V453000> bai
06:14:54  <V453000> I might do some fixing on nuts tonight :)
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07:23:19  <V453000> hi happy
07:23:21  <V453000> :)
07:23:25  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi v
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09:40:34  <Stablean> <bon> tropical....hrm..should be interesting
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09:42:38  <Stablean> <bon> ughh ok that should be interesting...original industries with no poduction boost
09:43:13  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
09:43:16  <Stablean> <bon> heh hi? :)
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09:43:56  <Stablean> <bon> trying figure out where to start...and not somewhere half-bare this time :)
09:47:10  <Stablean> <bon> happy tran you think they left it to be more challenging on purpose? I mean these are a lot of very low productions .. and with no supplies to use
09:48:45  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
09:48:59  <Stablean> <bon> well at least not everything are low amounts which helps me starting out
09:49:03  <Stablean> <bon> :)
09:49:29  <Stablean> <bon> oh and no mountains to worry about this time heh
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09:49:56  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep  and  trans  ar ver  chep
09:50:12  <Stablean> <bon> I'm still going shipping perhaps tho?  :)
09:51:02  <Stablean> <bon> ah nope..seem he didn't fix the tug issue yet...oh well I always can lay one rail route for now
09:51:41  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> dont doo ships look at the  ship  running  cost
09:52:01  <Stablean> <bon> happy tran..I don't mean water ship .. I meant these OTHER one over land :)
09:52:15  <Stablean> <bon> wetrail that is
09:52:17  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ar  ok
09:52:31  <Stablean> <bon> np...I'll just use trains till the 1950s then convert to wetrail system
09:54:21  <Stablean> <bon> huh....funny timing
09:54:37  <Stablean> <bon> hmm I see he didn't fix the wagon date .. oh well train alone for 10 year now
09:59:31  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok i got 150  oil  trans  nice
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10:04:59  <Stablean> <bon> at least I guess blue purrail looks a bit like wetrail if not narrower :)
10:05:17  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
10:05:35  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> and  all  trans can  werk  on it
10:05:47  <Stablean> <bon> heh ships would look better with the wider wetrail tho :)
10:16:15  <V453000> it gets a bit ugly/problematic with all the curves, bridges, etc
10:16:21  <V453000> to make them larger
10:16:39  <Stablean> <bon> I don't need it large for the boats..they're not even fast enough eh? :)
10:16:41  <Stablean> <bon> and btw hi :)
10:17:06  <V453000> what else would you have wider wetrail for :D
10:17:22  <Stablean> <bon> very funny..I meant its wide compared to purrail in term of water :P
10:17:41  <V453000> probably. :)
10:18:05  <Stablean> <bon> btw I'm not minding starting with some steam trains for a few years now but...the Waterproof ship has nothing else to haul than its one single barge again
10:19:30  <V453000> yes it is a bug I need to fix
10:19:53  <Stablean> <bon> np...like I told happy tran I'll start with a few trains now..and when the 1950s rolls around I'm going covert over :)
10:20:32  <V453000> aye
10:22:46  <Stablean> <Player> and hy
10:23:04  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi player
10:23:15  <Stablean> <Player> asdf
10:23:18  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to V453000
10:23:22  <Stablean> <bon> heh :)
10:23:44  <Stablean> <bon> hi there nutty creator?
10:23:44  <Stablean> <bon> hehehe
10:23:54  <Stablean> <V453000> no totally nowhere :)
10:24:00  <Stablean> <bon> :P
10:24:46  <Stablean> <bon> oh yeah v453000 this time I'm actually trying to make a network and so far its working out nicely :)
10:24:54  <Stablean> <bon> none of the many isolated loops I was having before
10:25:00  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
10:26:38  <Stablean> <V453000> get your loan btw
10:26:41  <Stablean> <V453000> cant make money without investments :P
10:26:48  <Stablean> <V453000> and the interest rate is so low that you dont need to care about it
10:26:50  <Stablean> <bon> you're funny heh
10:27:16  <Stablean> <bon> I prefer to keep the loan low...plain habit :P
10:27:22  <Stablean> <V453000> rather stupid habit
10:27:37  <Stablean> <V453000> -1000 yearly is like 1 purr tile
10:27:48  <Stablean> <bon> well I play with 4% a lot so its what I'm used to..to our own
10:28:00  <Stablean> <V453000> 4% is nothing too
10:28:14  <Stablean> <bon> well it does add up when you're on short operating profit flow tho
10:28:24  <Stablean> <bon> but like I said..to our own habits :)
10:28:30  <Stablean> <V453000> why should you be on short operating profit if you have 500 000 for more trains :)
10:28:44  <Stablean> <bon> because the loan would cut into it
10:29:12  <Stablean> <V453000> sure but the new trains will make 10000 times more money than the loan loss
10:29:14  <Stablean> <bon> anyway...more things to lay yet brb
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10:44:44  <Stablean> <bon> know what..to heck with it..I'll have to play with the silly rail locomotives instead for now
10:47:34  <V453000> there will be new fixed version of nuts next game :)
10:47:50  <Stablean> <bon> heh ok? :)
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10:51:15  <Stablean> <bon> I always could make two shared networks...one for rail and one for ship .. but we'll wait and see ;)
10:52:38  <V453000> why, you can easily autoreplace to ships after wagons are available,
10:52:38  <V453000> ?
10:52:44  <V453000> !date
10:52:44  <Stablean> V453000: 22 Dec 1945
10:52:54  <V453000> which will be in less than ~2 hours
10:53:08  <Stablean> <bon> v453000 well I'm thinking more like rails to deal with the long distance stuf but ships just for variety fun in smaller areas :)
10:53:19  <Stablean> <bon> we'll see soon
10:53:26  <V453000> aye
10:53:58  <Stablean> <bon> and which of where did you come up with the idea for the coloured single rails? :)
10:54:36  <Stablean> <bon> i'm using three colours now already heh
10:54:51  <Stablean> <bon> not sure what green could be for so may not use that one yet :)
10:55:33  <V453000> simple, I often used different rails to mark things like waiting spaces for trains
10:55:39  <V453000> with universal rail I started using that
10:55:49  <V453000> and with purr, as only colour changes it is more obvious, and a lot nicer
10:55:51  <Stablean> <bon> waiting space? hmm not sure I could really use that but I'll consider it
10:56:06  <V453000> also many people complain about maglev being ugly, there they always have an alternative
10:56:13  <Stablean> <bon> right now I have yellow for the 'mainline' .. blue for everything else .. and red for one single non-traffic loop
10:56:26  <V453000> bon join our IRC then I could send you links to our wiki for example images :)
10:56:39  <Stablean> <bon> what server?
10:56:47  <V453000> oftc
10:56:57  <V453000> go to openttdcoop.org and there is IRC button at the top
10:56:58  <V453000> for example
10:57:47  <Stablean> <bon> oh nice..didn't know there was a qwebirc server for oftc too
10:58:13  <Stablean> <bon> slight small window but heh for now I guess thats ok :)
11:01:07  <Stablean> <bon> oh think I know...green could be only for pax .. different speed :)
11:01:34  <V453000> up to you :) there really are many ways how to use the colours
11:01:37  <Stablean> <bon> :P
11:01:47  <Stablean> <bon> whats cleanpurr tho?
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11:02:37  <bon> so this is where you talk to me from sometimes v453000? :)
11:02:46  <bon> heh apparently so
11:03:31  <V453000> yes, most of the time in fact
11:03:54  <V453000> btw if you write V and press tab, it will finish the name so you dont need to write the numbers etc
11:04:08  <V453000> works in openttd too but only when the client name you want to write is connected
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11:07:55  <bon> what made you think of the 'superstrong' class or it just came up naturally?
11:08:15  <bon> (I'll admit the superstrong electric actually resembles one particular real locomotive I like)
11:09:50  <V453000> nothing really, I just wanted trains which would be useful for long trains with short curves and great power
11:09:59  <bon> heh hmm thats true
11:10:11  <V453000> none of the nuts trains is even inspired by any real trains at all
11:10:28  <bon> still aside to curved hoods this does come similar even if that was not intentionally like you said: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/MILW_EP-2.jpg
11:10:50  <V453000> ah, pretty much
11:11:13  <V453000> but yeah as I said :) obviously it is made similar to something like that to make it look like a train, but other than that not really :)
11:11:20  <bon> heh yeah :)
11:11:41  <V453000> hm that one is actually very similar indeed :D
11:12:05  <V453000> but I guess there were many "similar kind" trains like that?
11:12:17  <bon> yeah could be something in europe too but I don't know much from over there :P
11:12:32  <V453000> hm :)
11:13:07  <bon> actually hmm there is something you might find interesting..one moment :)
11:13:34  <V453000> anyway, the process of creating trains for nuts generally is 1. functional idea - inventing what the train will be useful for, why add it, what stats or special mechanics would work to make it useful for the role it is given, and after that comes 2. which is trying to give it some look
11:14:16  <V453000> so as drawing is n2, it can get inspired but at the same time has no real reason to :)
11:14:18  <bon> this shows that you can indeed have a streamlined tank: http://www.dbtrains.com/en/locomotives/epochII/BR61
11:14:19  <Webster> Title: BR 61 (at www.dbtrains.com)
11:14:37  <bon> it pretty much resembles a lot of the earlier locos in the buy list :P
11:14:47  <V453000> hm :)
11:15:08  <bon> its interesting one tho...normally streamlined locos have tenders for long runs
11:15:33  <V453000> I dont even know what streamlined means, so ... I might not be the best person to talk about real locomotives to
11:16:00  <bon> heh np... 'streamlined' is as in extra clads to cut down wind resistance
11:16:10  <V453000> right
11:16:31  <bon> anyway...you still drawing new things for NUTS or its more of patching at the moment?
11:17:44  <V453000> now I will fix the bugs and add one more functional feature to the ships - a thing I forgot earlier which is quite essential to make them even better with refit. Then I already have invented a MASSIVELY revolutionary concept for new train class, so I am going to draw/code those afterwards
11:18:00  <bon> heh...sounds like you'll give some people too much fun :)
11:18:03  <V453000> drawing trains and coding them, I take that as one process even if I do one or the other thing earlier or later
11:18:29  <bon> mm I'm somewhat the same...have an old project I'm still slowly getting around to
11:18:55  <V453000> difference could be I invest a lot of time nuts, and often :P
11:19:05  <Stablean> <bon> :P
11:19:22  <V453000> but yeah the new trains are going to be absolutely awesome
11:19:30  <V453000> I can say that already
11:22:15  <V453000> problematic part is that making them look awesome requires drawing a full set of wagons again :D
11:22:28  <V453000> which is the biggest job always
11:22:46  <bon> you know whats funny? you're a lifesaver to me even if you didn't know it actually ;)
11:22:48  <V453000> many cargoes, loading stages, extra cargoes for randomization (typically see goods)
11:23:09  <V453000> lifesaver? :D
11:23:25  <bon> yeah I never ever thought of a single universal wagon to refit for several cargos
11:23:41  <bon> saves me some space in the tracking table of mine after I revised it with that idea instead :)
11:24:05  <V453000> yarr
11:24:20  <V453000> universal wagons are awesome, especially for the refit game possibilities
11:25:07  <V453000> which project are working on anyway
11:28:35  <bon> I'm helping with the table with someone else..its a bit like a generic narrow gauge railway set .. based after existing locomotives but nothing of specific nature
11:31:50  <bon> I still wonder how you managed to make up a lot of funny locomotive names but....maybe I don't actually want to know :P
11:33:33  <V453000> simple
11:33:37  <V453000> I listen to a lot of music
11:33:43  <Stablean> <bon> heh :)
11:33:45  <V453000> so, song names :)
11:34:03  <V453000> srsly who would come up with idk, 120? names
11:34:11  <Stablean> <bon> you?
11:34:36  <V453000> no not really :) I do adapt the song/album/artist names often, but some inspiration/core is always a song name
11:34:54  <V453000> easy to do and when I try to find some which actually fit, it works pretty well I think :)
11:35:12  <V453000> as the trains are set in classes, people generally describe trains not by their name, but by their class
11:35:22  <V453000> e.g. they say I replaced rail fast to monorail medium
11:35:31  <V453000> not banshee to I choose noise
11:36:04  <V453000> so the train names arent really somehow technically important :)
11:36:29  <V453000> just having trains called MonoMedium1, MonoMedium2, MonoMedium3 etc is no fun :) those numbers are added in the purchase menu just for info anyway
11:36:36  <V453000> what matters is the class
11:36:42  <Stablean> <bon> :P again
11:36:53  <V453000> what again :D
11:37:01  <Stablean> <bon> hehhe
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11:40:50  <Stablean> <bon> hi again djanxy :)
11:40:58  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hi ;)
11:41:09  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
11:41:22  <Stablean> <Djanxy> of to work in a bit, just checking out new map
11:41:32  <Stablean> <bon> mm well its a lot flatter...but... :-( to no firs
11:41:34  <Stablean> <bon> heh
11:41:52  <V453000> http://www.rouming.cz/roumingShow.php?file=curiosity.png XD
11:41:53  <Webster> Title: Roumenův Rouming - Zábavné a zajímavé obrázky - curiosity (at www.rouming.cz)
11:44:02  <Stablean> <bon> I still have to figure out a company name heh :->
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11:49:20  <Stablean> <bon> yeah get something in and by the time you finish work you'll have more fund to actually start playing with? :P
11:49:31  <Stablean> <Djanxy> exactly :D
11:49:34  <Stablean> <Djanxy> gotta hurry :D
11:53:25  <Stablean> <bon> oh I know...
11:53:40  <Stablean> <bon> there...me funny :)
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11:54:31  <Stablean> <Djanxy> alright, that should do :D
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11:55:56  <bon> v453000 I know you're probably not the one to ask (or are you?) but theres no problem in jumping over someone else's rails to get to an unused swatch on other side?
11:56:26  <V453000> swatch = industry?
11:56:36  <bon> area actually
11:56:41  <bon> but yeah..industries
11:56:43  <V453000> well, it always depends
11:57:09  <V453000> leave others space, it should not happen that two companies meet in spots where their network could be hurt by it
11:57:22  <Stablean> <bon> mm thanks
11:57:31  <V453000> it is a bit hard to make rules for this
11:57:50  <Stablean> <bon> I know what you mean I think..I've had some moments where I find a bridge is only 1 not 2 track wide etc
11:57:59  <V453000> best case is to ask the other company obviously, I personally simply build away from everyone, that solves all issues of similar kind perfectly
11:58:06  <Stablean> <bon> heh
11:58:16  <Stablean> <bon> well hopefully shouldn't be hard to find sylf later on today
11:59:33  <V453000> just try to go aroudn if you can, if you cant, then check if the rails are massively important to him (main line / big station vs. small primary etc.)
12:00:31  <Stablean> <bon> whats strange is theres no lumber mill anywhere on the map
12:00:36  <Stablean> <bon> at least funding cost is cheap heh
12:01:26  <V453000> those are generally hated
12:01:34  <V453000> low production and stupid cutting of trees
12:01:54  <V453000> any company can sabotage it by killing the trees too
12:02:12  <Stablean> <bon> well at least on this server theres almost no stupid players tho? :)
12:02:46  <Stablean> <bon> but mm yeah I think FIRS had a better compromise than the original one...
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12:03:16  <Stablean> <bon> the sawmill may cut down trees but if you feed it from the forestry thing it can still keep producing even without any trees
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12:04:09  <Stablean> <bon> wb happy tran?
12:04:16  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks
12:04:39  <V453000> solution, dont use the sawmills :P
12:04:49  <V453000> there is plenty other cargo to transport anyway
12:04:53  <Stablean> <bon> very funny..you actually need it to be able to get 'wood product' :P
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12:05:12  <V453000> there isnt any wood product that you "need"
12:05:34  <Stablean> <bon> v453000 you haven't looked at a FIRS chain so maybe lets just forget that topic ;)
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12:06:22  <V453000> I know firs chain by memory :) I thought you were talking about the current game, why would you talk about firs :d
12:06:30  <Stablean> <bon> happy tran nice big oil/good loop you have btw
12:06:48  <Stablean> <bon> I'm waiting for a city that can accept goods too :-s
12:06:50  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks
12:07:40  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok  i got  the ml  2 way  going short  ov but
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12:09:10  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> heen   i   nned  to fixs  at my  sign  is
12:09:21  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi jam35
12:09:35  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi happy tran  sport
12:09:45  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how things
12:09:56  <Stablean> <bon> hmm what you mean by 'fix'?
12:09:58  <Stablean> <Jam35> very well thank you
12:10:04  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> good
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12:10:04  <Stablean> <Jam35> :)
12:10:08  <Stablean> <Jam35> how are you?
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12:11:03  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> jam  i nned  your help   i nned  to finsh  of my 2 ml   but  i need suume  help  to doo a slh
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12:12:18  <V453000> hy Jam35
12:12:46  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi V45...
12:13:34  <Stablean> <Jam35> happy you need 2 or 3 SL's I would say
12:13:40  <Stablean> <Jam35> SLH's
12:13:51  <Stablean> <bon> geeze.. 0/yr running cost....silly trams
12:13:57  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep   lloks  like it
12:14:01  <Stablean> <Jam35> are you going to start other cargoes?
12:14:23  <Stablean> <bon> at l east I hope this particular town can grow on its own but we'll see soon
12:14:30  <Stablean> <bon> ah yep it is...great :)
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12:14:36  <Stablean> <Jam35> do the hub(s) need all lines
12:14:38  <Stablean> <Jam35> ?
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12:14:56  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  can not doo  the     goods in til  the slh ar  dun
12:15:23  <Stablean> <Jam35> but will you start other cargoes?
12:15:33  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yes
12:15:47  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  will
12:15:47  <Stablean> <Jam35> so it would be better to do all connections
12:16:05  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
12:17:41  <Stablean> <bon> btw I'm just asking but theres no way to separate trains down two different parallel lines without use of waypoint? (re lack of advanced signals in ottd)
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12:34:36  <Stablean> <bon> heh hi delusion :)
12:34:54  <Stablean> <Delusion> hi
12:43:07  <Stablean> <Jam35> oh :)
12:43:13  <Stablean> <Jam35> wondered why the jam?
12:43:23  <Stablean> <bon> why? :)
12:44:41  <Stablean> <bon> oh ops...thats a long jam
12:45:31  <Stablean> <bon> I'll admit I'm starting to get a bit heavy on my mainline now...maybe a few more trains before I need to reconsider
12:45:37  <Stablean> <bon> but who knows yet
12:47:08  <V453000> more trains is always the right option
12:47:23  <Stablean> <bon> or longer ones :P
12:47:25  <V453000> until there is not enough tracks
12:47:44  <Stablean> <bon> I'll admit you for one clever thing tho...
12:47:54  <Stablean> <bon> ships are slower but can carry more per car than the trains do
12:47:58  <Stablean> <bon> thats what I keep thinking about now heh
12:49:08  <Stablean> <bon> I may still try convert the entire sheebang to wetrail soon .. but will wait and see
12:50:02  <Stablean> <bon> v435000 so you said the wet vehicles could go on non-wetrail .. just they're reduced in speed?
12:53:46  <V453000> in all 3 main stats
12:53:50  <V453000> speed, power, tractive effort
12:53:54  <V453000> by 30%
12:54:08  <Stablean> <bon> ah ok well at least its a conventional way to upgrade vehicles first then rail second .. can't do both at once :)
12:54:18  <Stablean> <bon> thanks for that ;)
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12:54:42  <V453000> sure, well that is what universal rails are for, I just wanted to discourage usage of ships on normal universal tracks
12:54:57  <Stablean> <bon> yeah I can see where you're going...allow it but "not like it" ;)
12:55:59  <V453000> disallowing autoreplacing through universal rail is not an option, so yeah :)
12:56:10  <Stablean> <bon> :P
12:56:20  <Stablean> <bon> so..whens the 2nd tug boat coming out damn it??? ;)
12:56:22  <Stablean> <bon> heheheh
12:56:30  <V453000> after all, if the player likes to use ships on normal tracks, meh it is just visual and if he likes it .... doesnt matter to me
12:56:36  <V453000> but it just seems to make sense to discourage it
12:56:44  <V453000> hm idk, 1970?
12:56:55  <Stablean> <bon> heh I guess I'll wait a bit then :)
12:57:04  <V453000> I think it is 1940 first, 1955 first large one, 1970 second tug
12:57:06  <V453000> !date
12:57:06  <Stablean> V453000:  4 Feb 1955
12:57:08  <Stablean> <bon> btw the universal rails...theres no reductions on the other locomotives or is there?
12:57:16  <V453000> no no reason for that
12:57:29  <Stablean> <bon> ah so its just the ship that have a handicap in the entire buy list?
12:58:51  <Stablean> <bon> still need to try these INTERCITY class l ocomotives someday tho :)
12:59:46  <V453000> yes, only ships do that
13:00:46  <V453000> intercity trains are great, but you just have to transport passengers or some of the express cargoes (mail/gold/valuables/diamonds)
13:01:07  <V453000> I already gave you a link to http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/wiki didnt I
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13:07:17  <Stablean> <bon> *thinks I have itchy fingers waiting for that boat to come out*
13:07:23  <Stablean> <bon> heh
13:07:46  <V453000> :) I also always look forward to the new engines to come out
13:07:55  <Stablean> <bon> well I'm waiting to mass-convert :P
13:07:58  <Stablean> <bon> hehehe
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13:18:54  <Stablean> <bon> hmmm to trust a town with barely enough buildings for goods or not....that is the question :-s
13:19:33  <V453000> fund some or make a few bus stations to make it grow :)
13:20:25  <Stablean> <bon> oic...too cheap...mmm good point :)
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13:39:15  <Stablean> <bon> yeah town growing a bit now :)
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13:55:56  <Stablean> <Jam35> biab
13:56:04  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok
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13:58:21  <Stablean> <bon> wheres that dern ship yet :) heh
13:59:48  <Stablean> <Player> hello. and sorry for asking stupid questions. (i played singelplayer only sofar) what does SLH mean?
13:59:58  <Stablean> <Jam35> Sideline Hub
14:01:31  <Jam35> and if you like that stuff you should check www.openttdcoop.org
14:02:39  <Stablean> <Player> found your wiki. all is good now
14:02:51  <Jam35> :)
14:03:01  <Jam35> afk now...
14:03:23  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok  thanks  for your help  jaam
14:07:37  <Stablean> <bon> looks like maybe I don't need to bother with rail hopping but mm we'll just see in future
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14:33:03  <Stablean> <bon> heh Brickwalker is a bit amusing to say the least
14:34:26  <Stablean> <bon> may as well as try it somewhere
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14:40:15  <Stablean> <bon> hi Player
14:40:26  <Stablean> <Player> hey
14:40:29  <Stablean> <Player> forgot to set name x]
14:40:33  <Stablean> <bon> heh
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14:41:02  <Stablean> <bon> btw have fun here and don't mind my station names...just waiting to replace bluepurr with wetrail when the newer ship comes out :)
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14:41:32  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
14:41:34  <Stablean> <bon> wb jam
14:41:36  <Stablean> <Jam35> ty
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14:41:55  <Stablean> <bon> jam...I'm not sure if its just me or these silly Brickwalker actually make smoke like a steam locomotive? :->
14:42:17  <Stablean> <bon> seem weird for a monorail vehicle to go chug chug :)
14:42:35  <Stablean> <bon> you can see it with train 41 atm
14:42:41  <Stablean> <bon> (my train 41 that is)
14:45:48  <Stablean> <bon> banananihao thats not too bad..just don't forget that you also can use the drive-thru bus stops instead next time...doesn't take up a whole tile space
14:46:30  <Stablean> <bananinhao> hmmm forgot about those
14:46:36  <Stablean> <bon> heh np
14:46:39  <Stablean> <bananinhao> heh
14:46:50  <Stablean> <bon> you going use the very fast steam-looking loco or something? :P
14:47:01  <Stablean> <bon> ah...heh you're faster than me :)
14:47:32  <Stablean> <bananinhao> Idk, I think I'll try passenger only
14:47:54  <Stablean> <bon> mmm have fun with that and btw don't forget that the trams/buses costs almost nothing to run on this map
14:48:04  <Stablean> <bon> I already have one small town with 3 trams if you want look at it anyway
14:48:06  <Stablean> <bananinhao> yea I just noticed the costs
14:48:20  <Stablean> <bon> yeah this map is pretty much about network...not about trying to fund things :P
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14:50:00  <Stablean> <bon> oh and yeah don't mind if I talk a lot sometimes when I'm online :)
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15:28:38  <Stablean> <bon> green - can I just make a suggestion?
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15:59:10  <Stablean> <bon> you sure are busy aren't you jam? :)
15:59:52  <Stablean> <bon> anyway still no ships yet but I need to go for lunch etc tho so .. might be back in a few hours :-s
16:00:03  <Stablean> <bon> seem to be more fun now tho (abit...missing FIRS)
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16:13:30  <Stablean> <Jam35> start the food!!!
16:13:48  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok      dun that
16:36:56  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok  the  goods  drop of  is  redey
16:46:01  <BiG_MeEcH> WooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
16:46:32  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
16:46:50  <Stablean> <BiG_TsMl_MeEcH> hey :)
16:47:00  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how things
16:47:18  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi BtM
17:00:33  <Stablean> <BiG_TsMl_MeEcH> yo :D
17:00:35  <Stablean> <BiG_TsMl_MeEcH> Im good!
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17:17:30  <Stablean> <bananinhao> damn i didnt know there was a bus limit
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17:31:50  <Stablean> <V453000> heyoo
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18:21:58  <Stablean> <Muel> hi
18:22:02  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
18:22:04  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
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18:24:07  <Stablean> <Jam35> tks
18:24:13  <Stablean> <Muel> :)
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18:27:15  <Stablean> <Jam35> ty :)
18:27:25  <Stablean> <Jam35> happy did it
18:27:35  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
18:27:42  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> looks grate
18:29:16  <Stablean> <Muel> yea ... good jobs :)
18:29:38  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks
18:32:01  <Stablean> <V453000> heyo
18:32:11  <Stablean> <Muel> hey
18:32:14  <Stablean> <Jam35> elo
18:32:17  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
18:32:48  <Stablean> <Muel>  ok i go look bayern - manchester :)
18:33:10  <Stablean> <Jam35> k cya
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18:35:56  <Stablean> <V453000> Jam35 you had wrong orders on the PS, all SLH connections are necessary
18:36:46  <Jam35> didn't make any trains
18:36:50  <Jam35> you mean SLH
18:37:26  <Jam35> so paper goes back to the SL?
18:38:01  <Jam35> not the nearest 'main' drop to the SL
18:38:45  <V453000> nearest drop to the SL is the one you have missing connection to?
18:39:12  <Jam35> so the paper goes back to SL?
18:39:20  <Jam35> all SL's have printing works?
18:40:43  <Stablean> <V453000> what
18:40:57  <Stablean> <V453000> paper goes to the closest drop to the SL
18:40:59  <Stablean> <V453000> -> in your case 00
18:41:02  <Stablean> <V453000> what is unclear
18:41:09  <Stablean> <V453000> there the train gets goods and then goes with them to the SL
18:41:27  <Jam35> how does paper get in the SL
18:41:27  <Jam35> ?
18:41:33  <Stablean> <V453000> I am done
18:41:36  <Jam35> wood -> far drop
18:41:41  <Jam35> refit paper
18:41:56  <Stablean> <V453000> load paper
18:41:58  <Stablean> <V453000> go to nearest drop
18:42:00  <Stablean> <V453000> drop paper
18:42:04  <Stablean> <V453000> pickup goods
18:42:06  <Stablean> <V453000> go to SL
18:59:50  <Stablean> <thepower12n> nice network red;p
19:02:06  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks
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19:08:09  <Stablean> <bon> boy heh.. 20 years to catch up with now
19:09:20  <Stablean> <bon> mm does anyone know if wetrail is only for ships alone?
19:10:23  <V453000> it is
19:10:46  <Stablean> <bon> right....convert purr to universal .. autreplace ships.. then convert again to wetrail....ehhhh :)
19:11:53  <Stablean> <bon> how're you anyway?
19:13:19  <Stablean> <V453000> purr is universal
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19:13:38  <Stablean> <V453000> im coding some total wtf, confused
19:13:40  <Stablean> <bon> ohhh ok...sorry..wasn't thinking for a sec..thanks
19:13:47  <Stablean> <bon> that makes job a bit easier
19:14:29  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
19:14:51  <Stablean> <bon> v453000 btw the Brickwalker .. where did you get the idea that a little monorail box can go choo choo?
19:14:53  <Stablean> <bon> :P
19:15:04  <Stablean> <bon> I'm surprised that the Soilwork now doesn't smoke as well ;)
19:15:18  <Stablean> <V453000> early trains = smoke viable :) also smoke = awesome
19:15:22  <Stablean> <bon> :P
19:15:36  <Stablean> <bon> I'm just slowly working autoreplace for different networks now .. fun
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19:22:09  <Stablean> <bon> hey v453000 a question for you tho... when does the 99kph tug come out? the wiki tables all are old copies atm
19:22:35  <Stablean> <V453000> something around 2010 I believe
19:22:38  <Stablean> <bon> ah
19:22:48  <Stablean> <bon> guess I'll be ok with 85kph for now then :)
19:22:55  <Stablean> <V453000> 1990
19:23:17  <Stablean> <V453000> doesnt matter when you replace, does it
19:23:35  <Stablean> <bon> nah...was just curious about speed...but I can always replace 4 slow with 3 faster in the future right? ;)
19:23:45  <Stablean> <bon> anyway time to cause a bit of network-wide jam :D
19:24:19  <Stablean> <bon> hmmm I'm just thinking...
19:24:35  <Stablean> <bon> would 'car removal' count the barge included with the tug or is everything going to be half a tile too long :-s
19:25:29  <Stablean> <V453000> the first barge is included in the engine so teh whole engine is 1 tile long in total
19:25:39  <Stablean> <V453000> so yes you will need to remove one wagon at this point
19:25:55  <Stablean> <bon> I sometimes wonder why they include that little button when its not helping :-p
19:26:05  <Stablean> <bon> oh well
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19:27:45  <Stablean> <iTKerry> Hello
19:27:51  <Stablean> <bon> just whats 'car removal' supposed to do assuming any grfs uses that?
19:27:54  <Stablean> <bon> hi itkerry
19:28:05  <Stablean> <V453000> what do you mean?
19:28:27  <Stablean> <bon> v453000 .. in autoreplace window.. lower-right corner it says 'Car removal: Off' but it can be toggled
19:28:30  <Stablean> <V453000> even the default train set has both options
19:28:32  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
19:32:20  <Stablean> <bon> oh hmm v453000...I did a quick test with something else in the depot.... turns out I maybe talk too much with little action ...
19:32:51  <Stablean> <bon> 'car removal' does recognize the extra length of the barge ... 4.0 long train got replaced with a 4.0 long tug boat
19:33:00  <Stablean> <bon> thats a bit of a relief tho thankfully
19:33:37  <Stablean> <bon> time to start some mayhem now :)
19:33:44  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
19:35:27  <Stablean> <bon> going take a while to convert everything before I can convert the tracks .. going be slow "jams" everywhere now :)
19:36:17  <Stablean> <bon> v453000 just a quick question tho.. is 'loading speed' supposed to be better or worser at a lower number?
19:36:28  <Stablean> <V453000> its speed
19:36:46  <Stablean> <V453000> -> more, faster loading
19:36:58  <Stablean> <bon> oh ok...going from 6 to 5 but ehh thats probably fine with me :)
19:38:48  <Stablean> <bon> zzzzz
19:39:10  <Stablean> <V453000> depends
19:39:20  <Stablean> <V453000> from 6 to 5 but also capacity from 30 to 45
19:39:27  <Stablean> <bon> *waits for the locos go away*
19:39:29  <Stablean> <V453000> so from 5 loading stages to 9
19:39:43  <Stablean> <V453000> also barges dont have 5 but 20
19:39:45  <Stablean> <V453000> and capacity of 40
19:40:33  <Stablean> <bon> 9 locos left :-s
19:43:27  <Stablean> <bon> huh.. autoreplace says 'no suitable track' :/
19:44:21  <Stablean> <V453000> there is some weird coexistence of basecosts and the tracks
19:44:27  <Stablean> <bon> v453000 looks like you can't convert either purr or universal to wetrail
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19:44:54  <Stablean> <V453000> omfg indeed not at all
19:44:56  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah
19:44:59  <Stablean> <V453000> well hm
19:45:05  <Stablean> <V453000> sec
19:45:08  <Stablean> <V453000> I will move with basecosts
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19:46:40  <V453000> OH I found the issue
19:46:41  <V453000> excellent
19:46:56  <Stablean> <bon> do I have to forgo wetrail or what? :)
19:47:58  <V453000> no, I will reload from save in a minute
19:47:59  <V453000> !getsave https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/V453000%20Transport%2C%201984-07-31.sav
19:48:02  <V453000> actually in a second :P
19:48:03  <Stablean> V453000: OK :-)
19:48:06  <V453000> !rcon load 2
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19:49:05  <V453000> !auto
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19:49:11  <Stablean> <V453000> try now :)
19:49:13  <Stablean> <bon> yaaa.... thanks :P
19:49:19  <Stablean> <V453000> yw
19:49:29  <Stablean> <bon> weird how that happened tho
19:49:35  <Stablean> <bon> and to everyone else: sorry for the little "boot"
19:49:49  <Stablean> <V453000> it is a strange openttd bug
19:49:55  <Stablean> <bon> mm
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19:50:02  <Stablean> <bon> well 5 locos left before I can do a 100% conversion :)
19:50:08  <Stablean> <V453000> when basecosts are set to free costs, track conversion fails because it checks for price of conversion
19:50:14  <Stablean> <bon> ah
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19:50:31  <Stablean> <bon> well its still cheap atm so thats all
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19:51:34  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  troy
19:51:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi happy
19:51:52  <Stablean> <bon> hi troy again? :)
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19:52:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> y
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19:52:17  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things
19:52:19  <Stablean> <V453000>  hi hi
19:52:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay
19:52:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how are you?
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19:53:34  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> good
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20:00:47  <Stablean> <bon> 95% now....fun heh
20:04:33  <Stablean> <bon> and done :p
20:04:43  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
20:04:58  <Stablean> <bon> going wait a bit for traffics to spread back out and see if I need more or less at any particular stations ;)
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20:09:13  <Stablean> <bon> v453000 just as I'm suspecting... slower but can carry more in same consist length .. may not even have to change anything else...fun as usual :)
20:09:36  <V453000> :ú
20:10:01  <Stablean> <bon> so now I have 2 rails ... single rail aka monorail .. water ... and a bit of tram
20:10:04  <Stablean> <bon> what else next? :P hehehe
20:14:32  <Stablean> <bon> huh...good grief heh .. I just now noticed you converted everything to monorails happy tran :P
20:14:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yellow purr
20:15:23  <Stablean> <bon> I also didn't know that the speed reduction stopped after the 2nd wagon
20:15:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> speed reduction?
20:15:48  <Stablean> <bon> troy..yeah it gets slower after adding first and second wagon
20:15:54  <Stablean> <bon> didn't know there was no more at third wagon
20:16:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you're sure not talking about curve lengths and max speeds?
20:17:52  <Stablean> <bon> mm no it said 'loses 3*2km/h...per added train unit' .. just did not realized that was only up to a certain number
20:20:25  <Stablean> <bon> either way these monorails short or long are rather interesting to play with
20:20:33  <Stablean> <bon> I have them for short shorty hops atm
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20:31:28  <Stablean> <bon> v453000 how does "Vortex Hole" sound for a certain locomotive name perhaps?
20:31:43  <V453000> no why
20:31:53  <Stablean> <bon> oh...just thinking :->
20:31:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lol
20:36:11  <Stablean> <bon> I still think about what I mentioned in an earlier game....
20:36:29  <Stablean> <bon> Land Of Confusion = captain running ship in random directions with no idea where to go :)
20:36:35  <Stablean> <bon> kinda silly tho eh?
20:36:42  <Stablean> <bon> hehe
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20:37:24  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi ag
20:37:34  <Stablean> <bon> wb jam
20:38:49  <Stablean> <bon> troy I'm just curious anyway...whats the meaning of certain station names they use on the coop maps? I mean the ones that seem to be made up of letter symbols
20:39:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> like?
20:39:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> SLH02?
20:39:07  <Stablean> <bon> yeah
20:39:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's not a station name, but a sign
20:39:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and it stands for Side Line Hub
20:39:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> BBH = Back Bone Hub
20:39:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and MSH = Major Station Hub
20:40:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it is usefull for determining the hierarchy of the network
20:40:15  <Stablean> <Jam35> *Troy
20:41:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> at one time it was usefull to determine what lines must be flowing at all times
20:41:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that is the main line
20:41:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the sidelines merge several lines from the primaries
20:41:43  <Stablean> <bon> mmm think I get it thanks
20:41:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> they are 'infused' in the main line via SLH's
20:42:04  <Stablean> <bon> the networks you people sometimes do are....quite different from me but I'm not going complain...different styles after all
20:42:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> when 2 or more mainlines merge or split, it's a BBH
20:42:18  <Stablean> <bon> <does get slight confused at certain screenshots but meh
20:44:08  <Stablean> <bon> I kinda like how the three block signal works together to split traffic down two lines tho
20:44:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> where?
20:44:41  <Stablean> <bon> split? sorry..I mean join ... didn't have much nap today
20:44:55  <Stablean> <bon> I'll sign one tho..
20:45:14  <Stablean> <bon> 'here' is it
20:45:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, like that
20:45:47  <Stablean> <bon> mm
20:45:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could do it with start/end signal
20:45:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but this the other way
20:46:29  <Stablean> <bon> well I'll let you get back to work..you have a gazillion trains to manage :P
20:46:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> only 378
20:46:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and most don't need managing
20:46:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> trains rarely do
20:46:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the network does
20:46:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and I only have one of those
20:47:06  <Stablean> <bon> :)
20:47:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> plus, there are other people, also helping
20:47:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's nice
20:47:26  <Stablean> <bon> mm
20:47:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> at least, I think they're helping... ;)
20:47:42  <Stablean> <bon> heh
20:47:48  <Stablean> <Jam35> nope :p
20:48:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lots of loading stages...
20:49:44  <Stablean> <Jam35> yep that's the downside with these
20:50:06  <Stablean> <Jam35> I guess they would unbalance things with less
20:50:17  <Stablean> <Jam35> (too good)
20:50:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, these were always very desirable
20:51:09  <Stablean> <Jam35> could switch back to medium rail
20:51:24  <Stablean> <Jam35> lose a lot of speed tho'
20:51:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, this is fine, I guess
20:51:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nice speed, nice accel
20:51:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> loading is a minus atm
20:51:57  <Stablean> <Jam35> go animal/slug when time
20:52:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I don't the know the loading stages of the others at this time
20:52:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> specs?
20:52:44  <Stablean> <Jam35> good accel/CL 4stage load
20:52:50  <Stablean> <Jam35> low(er) capacity
20:53:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how much?
20:54:06  <Stablean> <Jam35> not sure 25
20:55:21  <Stablean> <Jam35> 16 platforms?
20:55:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> at least 8
20:55:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> we need 8 for a full line
20:55:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and 16 for 2 full lines
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20:56:07  <Stablean> <Jam35> the drop needs it more
20:56:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if we switch to slug, with 4 loading stages,
20:56:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 8 might be sufficient for a time
20:59:48  <Stablean> <bon> huh...just noticed now and thats a bit silly .. two food processing plants almost next to each others
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21:00:38  <Stablean> <bon> hi dixon
21:00:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi Dixon:
21:00:54  <Stablean> <Jam35> lol hi
21:02:29  <V453000> hyyy
21:02:31  <Stablean> <Dixon> hi all
21:03:41  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi   dixon
21:04:07  <Stablean> <bon> hmm not sure about trusting this...website only copyrighted 2012 .. and the restaurant is a bit out of the way to go and only find out its not there....what to do hmm
21:18:08  <Stablean> <bon> nice...took on testing the newer tugboat :)
21:20:44  <Stablean> <bon> anyway going out to eat...hopefully
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21:22:05  <BiG_MeEcH> Holy Shit
21:22:08  <BiG_MeEcH> Dixon!
21:22:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
21:22:27  <BiG_MeEcH> yoooooooooOOOO!
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21:23:26  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport>   wb  big   meech
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21:24:25  <Stablean> <Dixon> ha, you must have me confused with someone else.
21:24:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :(
21:24:43  <Stablean> <Dixon> or I've stolen someone's name round these parts
21:24:54  <Stablean> <Big Meech> whattttttt no way!
21:24:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> this is not the Dixon: who has frequented this server earlier?
21:25:14  <Stablean> <Dixon> Nope, never played ottd online before
21:25:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :((
21:25:20  <Stablean> <Jam35> BS
21:25:23  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lmao
21:25:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :'(
21:25:39  <Stablean> <Big Meech> these aren;t the Dixons' you are looking for
21:25:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :)
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21:26:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no pw?
21:26:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> there was a password earlier
21:26:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> darrr 'tis
21:26:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Dixon quit lying :P
21:27:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> denial, one of the symptoms of grief...
21:27:06  <Stablean> <Big Meech> if it really isnt you, I'm sorry xD
21:27:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> <-- misses real Dixon
21:28:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, Dixon, you're not real
21:28:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but still, what brings you here?
21:28:52  <Stablean> <Dixon> I've cruised around the site and figured I should check out a game, see what's up.  Just watching, checking out some junctions etc.
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21:30:39  <Jam35> cyas
21:30:50  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bb jam
21:30:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> seeya
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21:44:54  <Stablean> <Dixon> well, back to fence construction.  See you folks later
21:45:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
21:45:07  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bb
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22:31:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
22:31:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'm going to  bed too
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22:32:00  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok  gn
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23:06:15  <Stablean> <bon> that was some supper :-s
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23:10:48  <Stablean> <bon> hi sylf
23:11:31  <Stablean> <bon> funny timing tho..I just got online for a short time and presto you finally show up in the meanwhile too :)
23:11:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> I'm not sure what V means with this message....
23:12:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> but, fine, we'll keep rail price untouched in the future.
23:12:53  <Stablean> <bon> I have two signs for you tho...especially the one re 'if this is an issue'
23:13:17  <Stablean> <Sylf> So I see that Meech built a station and didn't add trains
23:13:32  <Stablean> <bon> apparently
23:13:37  <V453000> what the message says I mean Sylf :)
23:13:48  <V453000> with the parameter of tracks = no costs, it breaks
23:13:55  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah.
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23:14:14  <Stablean> <Sylf> I just don't know how everything works between the rail price and what not
23:14:17  <V453000> it is because the convert tool doesnt check for tiles
23:14:27  <V453000> it checks the price of conversion
23:14:29  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh
23:14:35  <Stablean> <Sylf> weird
23:14:36  <V453000> if 0, then "no tracks to convert" error
23:14:42  <V453000> weird, but thats what it does :D
23:15:55  <V453000> Sylf could you please put it on bugs.openttd.org
23:16:01  <V453000> gotta go sleep :d dying
23:16:07  <Stablean> <Sylf> :P  maybe.
23:16:17  <V453000> if you wont, I will tomorrow :)
23:16:19  <V453000> cya
23:16:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> if I don't get around to it, you can tomorrow
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23:23:13  <BiG_MeEcH> I didnt build a station , all i did was convert trains to level 6
23:25:44  <Stablean> <bon> mm well I need to afk for a bit again :-/  hopefully finally building more by then
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