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00:02:57 *** axadhus [n=mav@ganymed.inf.tu-dresden.de] has quit ["leaving"] 00:03:33 *** stefan__ [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:05:22 <Bjarni> oh speaking of fire 00:05:40 <Bjarni> I heard a story about a German guy visiting Denmark 00:05:55 <Born_Acorn> he randomly ignited himself? 00:06:05 <ln-> i bet many german guys have visited denmark 00:06:18 <Bjarni> he parked illegally in the country side even though there was plenty of legal parking space nearby 00:06:25 <Bjarni> (he was German after all :p) 00:06:54 <Bjarni> then the fire brigade showed up and could not pass because he blocked the way 00:07:21 <Bjarni> since he had left his car, they decided (as usual) not to wait for him and wrecked his car to get passed 00:07:44 <Bjarni> lesson learned: do not park illegally 00:08:23 <Bjarni> he even had to pay for repaint of the fire truck, that pushed it as well as a fine for illegal parking 00:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> you think that? 00:08:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> i would be like "well... what are the chances this is gonna happen twice?" 00:09:08 <Bjarni> you never know 00:09:49 <Bjarni> the fact remains that he had to pay a lot of money and he lost his mean of transportation, so he had to figure out some other way of getting home 00:10:01 <Bjarni> now that's a crappy holiday :p 00:10:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, that's gonna cause problems ;) 00:11:05 <Bjarni> I think it's funny because there was plenty of room to park the car in places that would not block the road 00:11:11 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|Bed 00:13:10 *** gass [n=any@81.84.150.171] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:13:31 *** gass [n=any@81.84.150.171] has joined #openttd 00:13:43 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2E8E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:13:43 *** dp is now known as dp-- 00:19:51 <Bjarni> http://www.brownsmarina.com/images/redneck-jacuzzi.jpg 00:20:02 <Bjarni> some people appears to like dangers 00:23:52 <Kjetil> "It's shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and seeing quite a few shops in my time" 00:24:44 <Bjarni> well, some people could do it :p 00:25:37 <Bjarni> http://twoday.net/static/mahalanobis/images/redneck.jpg <-- LOL, that is mostly the stuff you need the most during a flood :p 00:43:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> i am kinda missing the point of those two pictures... 00:43:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's late 00:44:09 <Hendikins> Anyone up for a game? 00:44:44 * Eddi|zuHause2 is listening to Vanessa Carlton - Rinse 00:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's the kind of song i could listen to all day... 00:48:08 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-08627.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 00:57:31 <Bjarni> and all night 00:57:35 <Bjarni> it's really late 00:57:42 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:58:44 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> i am kinda missing the point of those two pictures... <-- the last one, those two people appears to have raided shops to get supplies, or whatever you call a whole lot of beer and little (or nothing) else 01:00:05 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca266.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:19:02 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACBD4B0C.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 01:27:19 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 01:43:41 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-230.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! 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09:08:52 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:10:53 <CIA-5> tron * r3816 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Use existing accessors 09:12:14 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36A96.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:18:37 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:22:26 <Tron> MiHaMiX: is it true that most languages have about 70 broken strings? 09:22:44 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:27:46 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:30:44 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:33:32 *** Hinrik [n=test@ns.hax.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:39:35 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:39:56 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a4162d.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:39:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:41:05 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:41:07 *** RoySmeding_ [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:41:09 *** _RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:41:23 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 09:41:43 *** _RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 09:43:15 *** RoySmeding_ is now known as RoySmeding 09:45:45 *** Arie^ [n=pr0nking@s5592da6d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:54:01 *** Gameseeker [i=Gameseek@084202119117.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 09:54:19 <Gameseeker> hello 09:55:14 <Gameseeker> I got a problem, On my stasjonary pc I can save open TTD, but on my labtop I cant, why is it, something wrong?. please help 09:55:46 <Bjarni> err 09:55:57 <Bjarni> can't is a bit short description of the problem 09:56:51 <Gameseeker> the problem is just the I cant save the game on my labtop. 09:57:11 <Gameseeker> laptop* 09:57:46 <Bjarni> well, you need write permission to save and you need to have enough disk space 09:58:35 <Gameseeker> sorry, found out of the problem 09:59:09 <Bjarni> that will be 400 kr for each started half an hour for support :p 09:59:10 <Gameseeker> hehe, so stupid of me, it was only that I couldent just "/" in the saving name. hehe 09:59:20 <Gameseeker> hehe 10:08:48 *** vasi [n=vasi@modemcable032.248-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:09:13 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. Last words are for fools who haven't said enough. - Karl Marx"] 10:09:17 <vasi> hi, could anybody tell me what the little green/gold/gray dot next to each train means, in the train list? 10:12:07 <Bjarni> yeah 10:12:22 <MiHaMiX> Tron: probably. the current translator is brken, and I'm working on the new translator - even in this very moment. 10:12:32 <Bjarni> it tells you if you get income or loss money on the train in question 10:12:38 <Bjarni> you want it to be green 10:12:55 <Bjarni> gray means that the train is too new to tell if it is profitable 10:14:00 <vasi> one of my trains is yellow, but making about K 10:14:23 <Bjarni> about = a bit less than 10:16:04 <vasi> ah ok 10:18:06 <vasi> thanks :-) 10:23:35 *** ^Cartman [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:27:05 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:40:35 *** Gameseeker [i=Gameseek@084202119117.customer.alfanett.no] has quit ["#norbits.cs *kos*"] 10:46:37 <ln-> Bjarni, patch updated, http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/save-filenames-in-utf8.diff 10:46:50 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:47:44 <Qball> ln-: how do you solve problem with non utf8 filesystems? 10:48:03 <Diablo-D3> make it utf8. 10:48:14 <ln-> what problem is there with non-utf8 ones? 10:48:31 <Diablo-D3> ln-: none, non-utf8 filesystems are invalid. 10:51:53 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 10:58:42 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:58:54 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36A96.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 10:59:21 <ln-> Qball fell asleep. 10:59:42 <Diablo-D3> "Your mom fell asleep." 11:00:00 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has quit ["Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it"] 11:01:08 <Bjarni> Diablo-D3: no "your mom" in here 11:01:12 <Bjarni> you risk getting kicked 11:01:14 <Qball> ln-: I just wondered, because if you do it propperly I think you have to convert the filename back to the configured filesystem charset 11:01:34 <Diablo-D3> Qball: yeah, but if the filesystem isnt in unicode, then somethings broken 11:01:45 *** TL|Away is now known as TrueLight 11:01:45 <Qball> Diablo-D3: no 11:01:53 <Diablo-D3> Yup. 11:02:07 <Diablo-D3> ntfs4 and 5? unicode. 11:02:20 <Diablo-D3> whatever osx uses? unicode. 11:02:29 <Diablo-D3> ext3? unicode. 11:02:53 <ln-> Qball: in what way is it not converted to the configured filesystem charset? 11:03:01 <Bjarni> OSX uses wide utf-8 for the filesystem 11:03:10 <Bjarni> don't ask me why they picked the wide kind 11:03:17 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: ... as in utf16? 11:03:22 <Bjarni> no 11:03:27 <Bjarni> wide utf-8 11:03:35 <Diablo-D3> when someone says wide to me, I think 16-bit 11:03:38 <ln-> there's no such thing as wide utf-8. 11:03:40 <Diablo-D3> so wtf are you thinking of? 11:04:04 <Bjarni> instead of writing ñ, it writes "~n" or "n~" (I forgot the order) 11:04:18 <ln-> Bjarni: sorry, that doesn't make any sense. 11:04:18 <Diablo-D3> uh, thats not unicode at all 11:04:22 <Diablo-D3> thats dumbfuckese 11:04:24 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has joined #openttd 11:04:26 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has quit [Client Quit] 11:04:44 <Bjarni> ln-: yeah, that's what I thought, but that's what the docs says 11:05:08 <Bjarni> and I can see that it converts ä to "aì?" 11:05:34 <Diablo-D3> that sounds seriously fucking and absolutely retarded. 11:05:39 <Diablo-D3> and I refuse to believe it does that 11:06:40 <ln-> i don't believe it either. 11:07:02 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: whatever you're on... can I get some too? 11:07:38 <Bjarni> I read it when I researched this bug about a year ago 11:07:44 <Bjarni> and now I can't find the doc again :( 11:07:47 <Qball> Diablo-D3: are you always this friendly. 11:07:56 <peter1138> Bjarni: you're making it up :) 11:07:57 <Diablo-D3> Qball: no, Im usually much worse. 11:08:03 <Tron> peter1138: no, he isn't 11:08:07 <Diablo-D3> yes he is 11:08:17 <Tron> Diablo-D3: if you have no clue, just shut up 11:08:19 <Diablo-D3> I refuse to believe such douchebaggery is going on. 11:08:19 <peter1138> unicode has combining characters, but requiring them seems... strange 11:08:42 <Tron> yes, it has combining characters and it's perfectly valid to use them 11:08:48 <peter1138> indeed 11:08:57 <Tron> in fact you have to use them if you need more complex chars 11:09:01 <ln-> Bjarni: until you find that doc, we'll have to assume that you have misinterpreted it. do you know how utf-8 works in general? 11:09:15 <Tron> like stuff with multiple diacritics 11:11:34 <Bjarni> http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn1150.html#UnicodeSubtleties 11:11:36 <Bjarni> found it 11:12:07 <Tron> you can represent the german ö (o with two dots above) as either the (legacy) unicode char for o whith diarhesis or as combining diarhesis followed by an o 11:12:14 <Bjarni> <ln-> Bjarni: until you find that doc, we'll have to assume that you have misinterpreted it. do you know how utf-8 works in general? <-- sure I do. I spent says researching this 11:12:22 <Qball> To reduce complexity in the B-tree key comparison routines (which have to compare Unicode strings), HFS Plus defines that Unicode strings will be stored in fully decomposed form, with composing characters stored in canonical order. The other equivalent forms are illegal in HFS Plus strings. An implementation must convert these equivalent forms to the fully decomposed form before storing the string on disk. 11:12:25 <Diablo-D3> well, apple's server is douchebagging 11:12:31 <Diablo-D3> AHAH! 11:12:35 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: thats hfs plus 11:13:13 <Diablo-D3> so there is douchebagging implied 11:13:38 * Qball starts looking for his cluebat 11:13:42 <vasi> i suspect it has to do with OS X keeping the directory index ordered 11:13:52 <Diablo-D3> yeah 11:13:59 <Diablo-D3> but hfs plus is very broken 11:14:01 <Tron> Diablo-D3: i suggest you stop trolling now 11:14:08 <Diablo-D3> and osx doesnt defaultly use it 11:14:22 <Qball> Bjarni: can I lend your op status for just 5 seconds? 11:14:32 *** Diablo-D3 was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [if you don't have anything intelligent to say, then stop talking] 11:14:33 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:14:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o Tron] by ChanServ 11:14:42 <Qball> thx 11:14:47 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*i=diablo@*.port.east.verizon.net] by Tron 11:14:54 *** Diablo-D3 was kicked from #openttd by Tron [Tron] 11:14:58 <peter1138> Qball: you borrow, he lends 11:15:00 <Singaporekid> :o 11:15:15 <ln-> Bjarni: ok, i believe it now. BUT, the more important question is, does one have to care? i would assume iconv does the conversion for you. 11:16:19 <Bjarni> ln-: well, it's converted automatically when saving, but I'm not sure it's done when loading 11:16:20 <vasi> if you just use the stdio routines, i'm pretty sure that's handled ok 11:16:23 <peter1138> really, if the filesystem itself requires that, the filesystem should do the conversion... 11:16:30 <peter1138> but... *shrug* 11:17:09 <vasi> er, maybe i'm confused...but when the doc says "An implementation must..." i think it refers to an implementation of the filesystem 11:17:11 <ln-> Bjarni: it wouldn't make any sense that iconv didn't handle such situation. 11:17:26 <vasi> i was positive that the external interface *does* actually convert properly 11:17:41 <Bjarni> hmm 11:17:42 <Tron> telling iconv to convert from UTF-8 to ISO8859-15 should be enough 11:17:54 <Bjarni> what is the utf-8 code for ä? 11:17:54 <Tron> for writing though... 11:18:08 <ln-> ä (i'm speaking utf-8, am i not) 11:18:17 <peter1138> or " + a 11:18:20 <Qball> EUR 11:18:21 <Bjarni> I meant the hex 11:18:24 <Tron> Bjarni: i have no idea, because you already wrote the UTF-8 char 11:18:43 <Bjarni> I wonder how many bytes is needed to write it 11:18:49 <Tron> small a with diarhesis? 11:19:02 <Bjarni> š + a 11:19:08 <Tron> great 11:19:09 <Bjarni> like in Märch 11:19:14 <Bjarni> which was the original problem 11:19:19 <Tron> you just wrote another UTF-8 char 11:19:25 <Bjarni> hehe 11:19:32 <ln-> $ echo ä | hexdump -c 11:19:32 <ln-> 0000000 303 244 \n 11:19:34 <Bjarni> a + dot + dot 11:19:36 <Tron> <Bjarni> š + a <-- i just see garbage followed by + a 11:19:48 <Tron> <Bjarni> a + dot + dot <-- <Tron> small a with diarhesis? 11:20:02 <Bjarni> !whatis diarhesis 11:20:05 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> No match. 11:20:10 <Tron> TeX: "a 11:20:47 <Bjarni> well, that one 11:20:54 <hylje> ä 11:21:07 <Bjarni> it appears that it's 3 chars 11:21:12 <Tron> now: legacy or decomposed form? 11:21:21 <Tron> Bjarni: it's either 2 or 4 bytes 11:21:36 <Tron> legacy: one Unicode char 11:21:42 <Tron> decomposed: two unicode chars 11:22:17 <Bjarni> ahh it's hex written in 10 based numbers 11:22:22 <Bjarni> hmm 11:22:24 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Bye all."] 11:22:35 <Bjarni> but it's written as 3 chars when I read it from the filesystem 11:22:39 <Tron> huh? 11:22:48 <Tron> hex written in 10 based numbers? 11:22:56 <Tron> it's either hex or decimal 11:23:14 <Tron> if you convert a hex number to base 10 you get a normal decimal number 11:23:23 <peter1138> or BCD... heh 11:23:43 <Tron> huh? 11:24:45 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.3.49] has joined #openttd 11:26:10 <Bjarni> ln-: how did you add support for ä in terminal? 11:26:24 <Bjarni> I get 34 11:27:48 <Tron> that's octal 11:28:18 <Bjarni> yeah, but I want to see the char itself, not the octal version 11:28:36 <hylje> want a screenshot 11:28:39 *** Torrasque_ [n=chatzill@24.87.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 11:28:48 <Qball> ⬠11:28:50 <Qball> grr 11:29:48 <Bjarni> a screenshot is not needed as long as words can do 11:29:50 <ln-> Bjarni: i used linux actually, but i suppose .inputrc is the config file that affects your terminal's behavior with umlaut letters. 11:30:26 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:30:43 <MeusH> hello 11:32:37 <MeusH> does anyone use Opera here? 11:32:40 <RoySmeding> i do 11:32:54 <MeusH> Can you set multiple tabs as start page? 11:33:03 <RoySmeding> not sure 11:33:08 <RoySmeding> haven't used it for too long, heh 11:33:12 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has joined #openttd 11:33:42 <MeusH> Ok. I'm still stuck to firefox and multiple tabs popping up when starting 11:33:51 <MeusH> and now seems I'm limited to one 11:33:57 <MeusH> thanks anyway 11:34:08 <RoySmeding> no problem 11:34:19 <RoySmeding> though it's usually better when you ask your question straight away :) 11:34:24 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:37:11 <MeusH> do you use opera integrated IRC client right now? 11:37:42 <Hendikins> Somebody wants Firefox help? 11:37:55 <MeusH> no, I'm looking for Opera help 11:38:11 *** Hendikins|ADSL [n=wolfox@ppp23-114.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:14 <Bjarni> $ 34 11:41:14 <Bjarni> -bash: ä: command not found 11:41:19 <Bjarni> now this is getting funny 11:41:30 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: any news on new Wiki? 11:41:37 <Bjarni> it can print the char in the reply to what I type, but I can't type it myself 11:41:42 <MeusH> the current one is getting spammed continously 11:42:14 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:44:16 <Kuja^> MeusH: just looked at it, do it like this: open the pages you want opened on start and go to File -> Sessions -> save this session (or similar, i have a german build) 11:44:31 <MeusH> okay, thank you so much 11:44:48 <MeusH> the next thing is about the pop-ups. Where can I set the filters? 11:47:51 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd [] 11:47:57 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:49:41 <Kuja^> in menu tools -> Preferences in the general tab, didn't found more than this 11:51:00 <Kuja^> bleh... i just _hate_ wikispam 11:51:45 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 11:52:08 <Qball> yes.. wikispam 11:52:10 <Qball> always fun 11:52:16 <PAStheLoD> hi all 11:53:22 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 11:54:30 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:54:35 <MeusH> that session stuff works even for IRC clinet 11:54:36 <MeusH> great 11:54:37 <MeusH> thank you 11:54:48 <Kuja^> the wiki of a friend of mine wasn't spammed for a month or something.. so i thought its gone but it isn't :/ 11:54:59 <Kuja^> heh no problem 11:55:19 <MeusH> Kuja^, see Protecting_the_wiki @ wiki.openttd.org 11:55:33 <MeusH> it will be running on openttd wiki soon (in a few days) 11:55:42 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 11:55:45 <MeusH> and you can check these on your friend's one, too 11:56:54 *** Gameseeker [i=Gameseek@084202119117.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 11:57:30 <Kuja^> i know about this extensions. but the problem is i have no direct access to upload files there etc. and his time is limited. 11:57:44 <Kuja^> i'm "only" sysop on that wiki 11:59:03 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:00:29 <MeusH> damn, I want to download the patch for UT2k4 and I need to register on some flaming gamespot 12:00:44 <PAStheLoD> it's also on atari servers 12:00:44 <hylje> google it 12:00:48 <PAStheLoD> no registering 12:06:41 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 12:09:23 <MeusH> already registered with a bad and temp nickname ;) And I'm downloading it. 4 hours left? Damn :( 12:10:33 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-08627.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 12:11:30 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 12:12:56 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:14:03 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 12:19:53 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:20:19 *** Zerot_ [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:30:37 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176104134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:37:28 *** Arie^ [n=pr0nking@s5592da6d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["je stinkt naar pis"] 12:50:01 <MeusH> cya 12:50:04 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd [] 12:58:53 <peter1138> hmm 12:58:54 *** Torrasque_ [n=chatzill@24.87.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:59:13 <peter1138> if an rv is on a tile directly in front of a depot, it can't find the path to that depot 12:59:38 <peter1138> even if the rv is pointing into the depot 13:01:01 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-97.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 13:03:19 *** Torrasque_ [n=chatzill@24.87.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 13:09:12 <Tron> peter1138: depot tiles are marked as unpassable and the pathfinder has to do some magic 13:09:25 <Tron> probably that magic fails if the depot is the next tile 13:10:01 <Tron> they are marked as unapssable because of several abuses of the GetTileTrackStatus() stuff 13:10:15 <Tron> that stuff simply needs an overhaul 13:19:26 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACBD4B0C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 13:21:46 *** glx [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:29:10 *** vasi [n=vasi@modemcable032.248-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:33:18 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-08627.otenet.gr] has quit ["Fix until it breaks"] 13:36:41 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-161-115.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:11 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:41:15 *** ^Cartman [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:49:14 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:58:39 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-192-11.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 14:13:39 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:14:08 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:16:45 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:16:59 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 14:17:20 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:24:22 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/fix_msvc6.diff <-- should fix http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=415231#415231 14:28:43 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:28:50 *** RoySmeding_ [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:29:13 *** RoySmeding_ [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 14:31:37 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B8487F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:33:34 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@139.222.236.198] has joined #openttd 14:36:12 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B8487F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:42:03 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7F9BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:07 *** dfox [n=dfox@r2p136.chello.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:43:54 *** dfox [n=dfox@r2p136.chello.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:45:33 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:46:03 *** tokai|Zzz [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:53:03 *** Zr40 [n=zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:55 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:56:35 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36A96.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:53 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:16:26 *** magnus_1986 [n=chatzill@82.178.81.213] has joined #openttd 15:17:05 <magnus_1986> Hello people. How is work on 0.5.0 coming along? PBS kinks ironed out? 15:17:41 <TrueLight> I want to play PlanetSide :'( (but I don't have a buddy-key :() 15:17:42 <TrueLight> hehe :p 15:18:15 <magnus_1986> TrueLight: :'( then :p , you schizophrenic? 15:18:23 <KUDr> <magnus_1986> PBS is waiting for new pathfinder, pathfinder is in progress 15:18:28 <TrueLight> magnus_1986: no, just crazy 15:18:29 <magnus_1986> uh oh, he ops. Me sorry 15:18:41 <magnus_1986> KUDr: thanks 15:18:53 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueLight] by TrueLight 15:18:55 <TrueLight> magnus_1986: better? :) 15:19:21 <magnus_1986> :) 15:20:11 <magnus_1986> I love OpenTTD so much. I want to contribute to its code but problem is, I have never coded anything outside of those simple behind the book exercises. 15:20:43 <TrueLight> You have to start somewhere :) 15:21:02 <TrueLight> It wasn't that at a day we just knew how to do it :) A long and slow process it was 15:22:21 <magnus_1986> TrueLight: I downloaded an image of the code off of SVN and updated a it a few times while I started to study it. But the problems i, everytime I open a file it depends on 10 more and I keep going in a circle trying to get to the starting point 15:22:36 <TrueLight> haha :) 15:22:42 <TrueLight> I know that feeling :) 15:22:50 <TrueLight> the easiest thing to do, is to just pick something to change/alter 15:22:52 <TrueLight> and start doing that 15:22:56 <TrueLight> slowly you will get used to things :) 15:22:56 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-08627.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 15:23:09 <Qball> grr I am getting trown out of a game constantly 15:24:12 <magnus_1986> ok thanks. In my free time in the summer vacation from university 15:24:55 <magnus_1986> TrueLight: what are you doing these days, like working or something? 15:26:09 <TrueLight> magnus_1986: I stopped working on OpenTTD. Now working on OpenTTD.GPMI, which makes OpenTTD _very_ modular. It looks promising :) 15:27:06 <magnus_1986> TrueLight: no I mean like going to work or studying or going to school for example 15:27:27 <TrueLight> Oh, I study 15:27:32 <TrueLight> Anyway, I try :p Haha 15:27:51 <magnus_1986> ah 15:28:06 <magnus_1986> I am in uni. Doing Civil Engineering, man it rocks, I love it 15:28:53 <TrueLight> :s Ever person loves something else, but CE? hehe ;) 15:29:09 <TrueLight> (I considered it very very boring :)) 15:29:46 <TrueLight> (no offense btw :p) 15:30:25 <magnus_1986> Check out my modules for this semester: Property Economics, Land Surveying and Building Performance 1 15:30:25 *** SchAmane is now known as SchAmane_away 15:31:47 <magnus_1986> Difference in tastes of people is what makes this world so beautiful, friend 15:32:14 <Celestar> heyho 15:32:18 <TrueLight> It surely does :) 15:32:36 * TrueLight hides from Celestar 15:32:52 <blathijs> 16:15 < KUDr> <magnus_1986> PBS is waiting for new pathfinder, pathfinder is in progress <-- New pathfinder? 15:33:11 <KUDr> yes 15:33:13 <magnus_1986> uh oh, discepancy in developers! 15:33:23 <KUDr> npf is bit slow 15:33:34 <magnus_1986> blathijs: what, they didnt invite you to the meeting? 15:33:37 <magnus_1986> :p 15:33:40 <Celestar> TrueLight: why hide? 15:33:44 <Celestar> I'm hardless :P 15:33:45 <TrueLight> Celestar: you scared me :) 15:34:32 <blathijs> KUDr: And how is a new pathfinder gonna solve that? 15:34:59 * Celestar is under the impression that PBS and PF should not be mangled 15:35:18 <KUDr> <blathijs>: if it will be much faster, it is solved 15:36:10 <blathijs> KUDr: Read the actual question: How is a this new pathfinder gonna be faster? 15:36:40 <KUDr> :) it will be written so 15:36:57 <magnus_1986> why not have a pF where trains plan a route ONCE and only replan if any part of its path changes somehow? 15:36:59 <TrueLight> (me is trying not the laugh right now) 15:37:08 <blathijs> And this is only planned yet, of there is an actual idea on how to write it so? 15:37:10 <TrueLight> (not to you magnus_1986 :)) 15:37:21 <TrueLight> blathijs: of = or ;) 15:37:22 <KUDr> :) 15:37:41 <blathijs> magnus_1986: because their path changes all the time (signals and stuff) 15:37:53 <magnus_1986> blathijs: hmm 15:37:54 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit ["Changing server"] 15:37:58 <KUDr> blathijs: I think it can be faster 15:38:08 <blathijs> KUDr: yes, but _how_ ? 15:38:16 <TrueLight> blathijs: confidential ;) 15:38:50 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 15:38:57 <magnus_1986> TrueLight: Confidential + OpenSource ... Error does not compute 15:39:03 <KUDr> 1) instead of pointers to functions there will be inline functions (templates) 15:39:06 *** magnus_1986 [n=chatzill@82.178.81.213] has quit ["Head implodes"] 15:39:16 *** Hinrik [i=hinrik@ns.hax.is] has joined #openttd 15:39:16 <KUDr> 2) it will cache segment costs 15:39:28 <KUDr> 3) it will run once for multiple trains 15:39:42 <blathijs> KUDr: k, I agree the function pointers might be overly generalised 15:39:56 <Celestar> er guys. 15:40:02 <Celestar> I'm not sure that we need YAPF 15:40:20 *** Spacks [n=chatzill@CPE-138-130-237-185.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:40:35 <blathijs> but don't think removing the function pointers will actually improve performance significantly 15:40:56 <KUDr> Celestar: we need PBS-able pathfinder that will be as fast as NPF 15:40:58 <TrueLight> YAPF? 15:41:08 <TrueLight> Yet Another 15:41:09 <TrueLight> ah :) 15:41:28 <Celestar> KUDr: see above 15:41:35 <TrueLight> Celestar: we call it NNPF 15:41:41 <blathijs> and adapting NPF to do segment caching should be possible too I guess 15:41:55 <Celestar> why does PF need to know anything about PBS? 15:42:08 <Spacks> what the hell is ed2k? 15:42:28 <TrueLight> Spacks: edonkey2000 15:42:30 <KUDr> Celestar: PF must record path to be usable for PBS 15:42:40 <TrueLight> (illegal) software distribution protocol / program 15:42:44 <blathijs> so, adapt NPF to record the path. Not much work. 15:42:45 <KUDr> and must respect reserved tracks 15:43:16 <KUDr> blathijs, then it will be slower, so copy/paste? 15:43:23 <Spacks> why is the downloads for TTDPatch in ed2k:// 15:43:27 *** Torrasque__ [n=chatzill@217.115.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 15:43:31 <Celestar> KUDr: ther might be an interface between the PF module and the PBS module? 15:43:34 <KUDr> or just change (and slow it down) 15:43:43 <TrueLight> Spacks: wrong channel 15:43:53 <Spacks> oh right 15:44:02 <TrueLight> :p 15:44:06 <KUDr> Celestar: what kind of interface? 15:44:08 <Spacks> what server do i need? 15:44:24 <blathijs> KUDr: You can adapt NPF so that you only extract the parts of the path that you need 15:44:29 <TrueLight> Spacks: this is #openttd, not ttdpatch alike channel :p 15:44:33 <blathijs> KUDr: actually, recording the shortest path is trivial 15:44:40 <Spacks> oh 15:44:53 * Spacks bangs head against head 15:44:53 <TrueLight> ;) 15:45:02 <TrueLight> So I have _no_ idea why TTDPatch would use ed2k :) 15:45:24 <Celestar> KUDr: well, that needs to be defined. 15:45:37 *** Arghhhh [n=chatzill@cha78-1-82-240-59-140.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:46:26 *** Arghhhh [n=chatzill@cha78-1-82-240-59-140.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:46:26 <KUDr> blathijs: you must record all paths as you don't know which one will be the best 15:46:41 <blathijs> KUDr: Do you know how Dijkstra/A* works? 15:47:00 <KUDr> Celestar: what kind (i.e. function pointers?) 15:47:15 <KUDr> blathijs: yes 15:47:48 <Celestar> KUDr: I'm not sure. I just know that I don't like mangling two different functions (pathfinding / track reservation) into a single "module" 15:48:27 <KUDr> Celestar: please define the term "module" 15:48:42 <blathijs> KUDr: You can record the parent node with every node 15:49:10 <blathijs> KUDr: And if you find a better route to a node, you just update the parent node 15:49:44 <KUDr> blathijs, yes, then you need array/list of nodes 15:49:46 <blathijs> and once the node is put into the closed list, you know for certain that the shortest path from the source to that node comes through the parent node (which has a parent node, etc.) 15:49:49 <KUDr> and fill it 15:50:09 <blathijs> You have that array already 15:50:17 <blathijs> you can't do A* without a list of nodes 15:50:20 <KUDr> this is what i do in nef pathfinder 15:51:05 <KUDr> then array/list of their indices/pointers 15:51:08 <KUDr> it is the same 15:51:12 <blathijs> actually, NPF currently keeps track of the path 15:51:16 <blathijs> struct PathNode { 15:51:17 <Celestar> KUDr: ok. Train moves. Train Controller finds switch. Train Controller calls pathfinder. Pathfinder polls reserved trackbits. pathfinder finds path. pathfinder pushes reserved tracks. pathfinder returns track. 15:51:19 <blathijs> (...) 15:51:23 <blathijs> PathNode *parent; 15:51:35 <KUDr> blathijs: i know - npf is very good thing 15:51:50 <blathijs> Then why write a new pathfinder> 15:52:23 <Celestar> we still have some minor issues with NPF tho :) 15:52:25 <KUDr> coz it is much slower than needed 15:52:47 <KUDr> Celestar: what issues? 15:52:50 <Celestar> what's wrong with OPF? 15:53:12 <Celestar> KUDr: I'm not sure A* is the optimal thing for ships for example. 15:53:47 <KUDr> Celestar: it should work fine there 15:53:55 <blathijs> I think A* should be pretty ok for ships, it's just that using so many nodes per tile isn't optimal... 15:54:35 <Celestar> blathijs: well, should yes :) 15:55:02 <KUDr> blathijs: i will have only one list - binary heap with TileIndex/Tracdir as item 15:55:18 <KUDr> the rest is linked to tiles 15:55:22 <Celestar> KUDr: what is "so bad" about NPF? 15:55:44 <blathijs> KUDr: 15:55:45 <blathijs> struct AyStarNode { TileIndex tile; uint direction; uint user_data[2]; 15:55:46 <blathijs> }; 15:55:46 <KUDr> each track junction has extended info 15:55:57 <blathijs> Stored in a binary heap 15:56:24 <KUDr> blathijs: yes, but i need that only for openlist as priority queue 15:56:29 <Spacks> TrueLight, whats the command to remove flaura from the screen? 15:56:40 <blathijs> KUDr: And you're not keeping a closed list, or what? 15:57:18 <KUDr> closed list is replaced by remembering last visit info in tile extension (that is linked to tile) 15:57:26 <TrueLight> Spacks: flaura? Flora or fauna, but flaura? 15:57:33 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:57:34 <Spacks> Flora 15:57:37 <Spacks> lol 15:57:46 * Spacks is tired :| 15:57:48 <TrueLight> :p 15:57:59 <TrueLight> But if you mean: hide the trees, press X 15:58:07 <TrueLight> or set the patch setting for inivislbe trees 15:58:11 <TrueLight> but tat is for OpenTTD 15:58:15 <TrueLight> not TTDPatch :p 15:58:19 <Spacks> I got OpenTTD 15:58:38 <blathijs> KUDr: So, you have one bit per trackdir extra info on tiles or something? 15:58:41 <Spacks> I haven't installed any TTDPatch yet 15:58:52 <TrueLight> So don't :p 15:58:54 <TrueLight> use OpenTTD :) 15:58:58 *** Torrasque_ [n=chatzill@24.87.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:59:20 <KUDr> blathijs: 4 bytes ~ one pointer to extension 15:59:31 <KUDr> used on junction tiles only 15:59:39 <KUDr> otherwise NULL 15:59:42 <Spacks> so its X for OpenTTD? 16:00:06 <TrueLight> Spacks: http://wiki.openttd.org/ 16:01:04 *** amix [n=AmiXoami@90.80-203-44.nextgentel.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:01:50 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 16:02:06 *** amix [n=AmiXoami@90.80-203-44.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:10 <KUDr> blathijs: another small change - i run PF in opposite direction, so i can satisfy more trains at one run 16:02:37 <KUDr> and trains plan their PF need in advance 16:04:05 <Celestar> ok how do I create a branch .. hmmz 16:04:18 <Hinrik> svn copy 16:04:43 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:05:11 <blathijs> KUDr: I hope it will work out, but I doubt it 16:05:34 <KUDr> me too :) 16:05:37 <blathijs> Though a lot of optimisations result in a non-perfect pathfinder (as we have now) 16:05:53 <blathijs> But that might not be a real problem 16:06:17 <KUDr> blathijs: it will be designed so, not optimized 16:06:26 <KUDr> i let compiler to optimize it 16:07:31 <blathijs> KUDr: well, they are optimisations 16:07:49 <blathijs> not bit-level optimisations, but still optimisations 16:07:57 <KUDr> ok, but in design, not in code 16:08:18 <blathijs> ie, if you run your PF opposite and therefore plan routes before a train needs to take the actual decision 16:08:33 <blathijs> The calculated route will be outdated once the train gets to the junction 16:08:41 <Celestar> I think the biggest issue with NPF is performance in certain circumstances. it finds the paths allright :) 16:08:44 <blathijs> This won't be an issue in most cases, but might be 16:09:25 <KUDr> blathijs: yes i know, but i am not so smart to see such problems before i try it 16:09:55 <Celestar> the basic problem in general is that too many PF operations are done 16:10:06 <blathijs> Celestar: As I said, NPF is a perfect pathfinder, with performance issues. Most optimisations otoh result in approximations, which might or might not be bad 16:10:25 <Celestar> blathijs: can that not be adaptive? 16:10:57 <KUDr> adaptive = self learning ? 16:11:06 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B8487F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 16:11:15 <blathijs> Celestar: you mean it detects when the approximation is too far off? 16:11:28 <Celestar> kind of yes. 16:11:43 <Celestar> do an optimized run, if no path found, do an non-optmized run. 16:11:59 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=23919 << ... 16:12:24 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B8487F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:12:55 <Celestar> blathijs: I still vote for a complete cache. 16:13:15 <Celestar> dunno if that'd work tho 16:17:51 <blathijs> The thing is, an "optimised" run would find the wrong path 16:18:06 <Celestar> blathijs: wrong? 16:18:11 <blathijs> I can't think of optimisations that would find the right path faster, or no path at all 16:18:25 <Celestar> if end_tile == desired_end_tile, then the path is acceptable 16:18:57 <KUDr> Celestar: not true 16:19:03 <blathijs> indeed 16:19:12 <blathijs> and what optimisation would you apply hten? 16:19:14 <KUDr> then we will face lot of bug reports 16:19:23 <CIA-5> celestar * r3817 /branch/cargo-packets/ (90 files in 9 dirs): -Merge from trunk: 3730:3816 16:19:35 <blathijs> Celestar: if path == shortest path, then the path is acceptable 16:19:41 <blathijs> s/shortest/cheapest/ 16:19:52 <Celestar> blathijs: then you cannot optimize anything :) 16:20:30 <blathijs> sure you can 16:20:45 <Celestar> on a logic level? what? 16:21:45 <blathijs> hypothetically, you could employ a large cache and use code that invalidates the right pieces of cache at the right time 16:21:54 <blathijs> would still yield optimal solutions, but in less time 16:21:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B763C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:06 <blathijs> but would not be practical (and might not be faster either) 16:22:31 <blathijs> The thing is, some optimisations give non-optimal results 16:22:34 <KUDr> this is what i try to do :) 16:22:48 <KUDr> blind way ? 16:23:05 <Celestar> what about having the stations do the pathfinding? 16:23:56 <blathijs> Celestar: You don't want all the trains between two stations take the same route 16:24:03 <blathijs> Load balancing and all 16:24:24 <Celestar> blathijs: btw, one of the problems I have with pathfinding is that a handful of ships bring down my FX-55 16:24:33 <Celestar> blathijs: who said store one route? :) 16:25:08 <blathijs> I think things could be improved if an entire new approach to pathfinding is taken 16:25:17 <Celestar> elaborate? 16:25:32 <blathijs> which explicitely knows about load balancing and multiple equivalent paths and stuff like that 16:26:33 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 16:29:43 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [") td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ ("] 16:30:10 <CIA-5> celestar * r3818 /branch/elrail/: Created a branch for electrified railways. Work-in-progress. 16:30:13 <Celestar> great :) 16:30:24 <MeusH> hey 16:30:34 <MeusH> nice 16:30:35 <Celestar> lets get to work 16:32:42 *** uatec_ [n=uatec@82-39-97-173.cable.ubr01.newy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 16:33:20 <peter1138> \i/. 16:33:21 <peter1138> errr 16:33:22 <peter1138> \o/ 16:33:31 <Celestar> lol 16:34:23 <Celestar> so there will be at least 2 more commits today :) 16:34:24 <TrueLight> pff, downloads aren't how it used to be 16:34:26 <TrueLight> FilePlanet sucks ass 16:34:28 <Bjarni> great, now we got electric rails :D 16:34:32 <Bjarni> now we just need them to work 16:35:36 <Bjarni> <peter1138> \i/. <-- is that an indication of an enlightened head? 16:35:48 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|food 16:37:59 <Celestar> Bjarni: be PATIENT 16:40:43 <Celestar> I wish there was an editor for diff files where one could move around whole hunks 16:42:05 <TrueLight> make it 16:42:12 <blathijs> Celestar: There probably is something I guess? 16:42:20 <blathijs> Celestar: I think vim has some kind of diff mode? 16:42:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B74932.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:42:55 <Celestar> blathijs: I mean like "remove hunk" 16:43:03 <peter1138> wtf 16:43:15 <peter1138> the cheats window is b0rked 16:43:26 <peter1138> Increase money by £2,267,752,732,288,979,712 16:43:49 <blathijs> Celestar: You can pretty much just remove chunks from diff files 16:44:17 <Celestar> blathijs: I know 16:44:25 <blathijs> It's just the removing of an individual change from a chunk that poses problems 16:44:30 <Celestar> but not with a single button :) 16:44:36 <blathijs> true 16:47:14 <Celestar> that's what I meant :) 16:48:01 *** Spacks [n=chatzill@CPE-138-130-237-185.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #openttd [] 16:48:09 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@85.106.140.112] has joined #openttd 16:49:20 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-245-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:11 *** coppert0p [n=copperto@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:51:18 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:56:43 <CIA-5> celestar * r3819 /branch/elrail/ (13 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) 16:56:43 <CIA-5> Feature: Added a new railtype for electrified railways (elrails), engine types are adjusted accordingly. 16:56:43 <CIA-5> Notes: 16:56:43 <CIA-5> -When loading old maps, all railways are converted to elrails, otherwise electric engines would be stuck. 16:56:43 <CIA-5> If anyone has a better idea, I'm open for suggestions. 16:56:44 <CIA-5> -Currently there is no visual distinction between electric railways and conventional ones. Be patient. 16:56:46 <Celestar> there we go 16:56:48 <CIA-5> -conventional vehicles can use electrified railways 16:56:53 <Celestar> now for the more difficult part 16:56:59 * Celestar goes debugging his drawing code. 16:57:07 <hylje> mm 16:57:22 <Celestar> maybe I should commit some alpha-0 version? 16:57:28 <hylje> should elrails have some relation with power plants 16:57:45 <Singaporekid> :o 16:57:50 <hylje> if only cosmetic 16:58:15 <peter1138> no 16:58:29 <TrueLight> Celestar: let me know when you want binaries of it ;) 16:58:41 <hylje> hmm 16:58:46 <Celestar> TrueLight: not yet today probably. 16:58:55 <Celestar> unless peter1138 does some tremedous work on it :P 17:00:05 <hylje> would it be fundamentally possible to have a "public transport company" slowly connecting towns with roads and such 17:00:18 <TrueLight> yes 17:00:38 <peter1138> hylje: that's what you are :) 17:00:49 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-161-115.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:00:59 <hylje> players do whatever they wish to be profitable 17:01:16 <hylje> that public stuff doesnt do profit, it just builds misc. stuff 17:01:19 <peter1138> not much different from public transport... 17:02:34 *** Xeryus|food is now known as XeryusTC 17:02:44 <hylje> it would make sure the "forgotten" parts of teh map would get developed, although slowly 17:04:41 <|Jeroen|> wouldn't it be more logical that all towns are connected in the beginning ? 17:05:15 <|Jeroen|> i doubt there would be a town in 1900 that had no roads to another town 17:06:00 <hylje> thats my point. although towns will be separated at start, it would develop connections between them eventually 17:06:18 <CIA-5> tron * r3820 /trunk/ (smallmap_gui.c tunnelbridge_cmd.c): Be a bit more strict with types: use special types instead of generic byte and don't fill arbitrary data into inappropriate types 17:06:29 <|Jeroen|> maby more types of roads wouldbe nice 17:06:37 <|Jeroen|> highways and sand roads 17:06:46 <hylje> also some decoration such as power lines between towns and power plants 17:07:04 <|Jeroen|> maby intigrate simcity :-) 17:08:13 <peter1138> maybe spell it maybe 17:08:20 <Celestar> k guys I'm outta 17:08:28 <peter1138> bye 17:08:57 <CIA-5> celestar * r3821 /branch/elrail/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Add: A very very early version of a drawing code. No bug reports yet please. 17:09:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yay! elrails ;) 17:09:02 <Celestar> there you go 17:09:04 <Celestar> keep working 17:09:09 <TrueLight> Celestar: I have a bug in the drawing!! 17:09:09 <Celestar> I'll do some more tomorrow. 17:09:09 <TrueLight> :p 17:09:15 <TrueLight> sorry :) 17:09:23 * Celestar puts TrueLight onto the "users" list :P 17:09:48 *** Turulo [n=weed@233.Red-83-54-155.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:04 <Celestar> I'll do some more work tomorrow 17:10:08 <Celestar> er. 17:10:14 <Celestar> double-statement. 17:10:39 <Celestar> peter1138: feel at home in the branch for the next couple of hours. still a buncho problems left on flat tiles. 17:13:16 <MeusH> Celestar, have you used free tiledata space, and/or you extended the map array? 17:13:30 <peter1138> no 17:13:52 <peter1138> it's just a new railtype 17:16:52 *** Gameseeker [i=Gameseek@084202119117.customer.alfanett.no] has quit ["#norbits.cs *kos*"] 17:17:42 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947F6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:00 <peter1138> bug! it doesn't compile ;) 17:19:26 <Eddi|zuHause> new as in really new or new as in replaces monorai/maglev? 17:19:31 <peter1138> new 17:19:45 <MeusH> but the railtype must be stored somewhere 17:20:04 <peter1138> correct 17:20:43 <MeusH> oh, 4 railtypes need 2 bytes, and 3 railtypes need 2 bytes, too, right? 17:21:02 <peter1138> what? 17:21:05 <MeusH> so there was a chance for one more railtype info? 17:21:17 <peter1138> we can have 16 rail types 17:21:22 <MeusH> like 00 railway 01 monoral 10 maglev 11 electrified railway 17:22:13 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@85.106.140.112] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:22:25 <MeusH> peter1138, so how is this stored? 17:22:41 <MeusH> I thought there are two bytes to store this data 17:22:48 <MeusH> seems there are four, right? 17:23:08 <peter1138> the railtype is stored in 4 bits 17:23:19 <peter1138> that gives 16 railtypes 17:23:41 <MeusH> oh, yeah, I confuse english words for bit and byte 17:23:43 <MeusH> sorry 17:24:59 <Eddi|zuHause> your language has other words for that? 17:26:07 <MeusH> bit and bajt. No difference in speaking 17:26:14 <MeusH> it's probably /me dumb 17:26:20 <MeusH> eh? 17:26:21 <peter1138> Celestar: when adding files, actually add them? ;) 17:26:28 <Eddi|zuHause> *no commwent* 17:26:53 <MeusH> but I write byte instead of bit, dunno why 17:34:17 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm229.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [":o"] 17:38:57 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["kwiet"] 17:41:38 <MeusH> reinstalling windows again :( 17:41:39 <MeusH> cya 17:41:41 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd [] 17:58:39 *** glx [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye"] 18:08:07 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 18:10:29 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:10:53 <Born_Acorn> erails stuff! woot. 18:11:09 <peter1138> it's a snake! 18:13:30 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 18:13:50 <MeusH> \ o / 18:13:52 <MeusH> hey 18:14:36 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 18:16:44 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 18:16:46 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 18:17:23 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:17:55 *** bociusz [n=bociusz@3e44a860.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #openttd 18:18:53 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd [] 18:19:27 *** axadhus [n=mav@ganymed.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:22:13 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit ["Connection not reset by peer."] 18:24:45 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 18:33:33 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd [] 18:33:56 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 18:41:13 <MeusH> am I really here? 18:41:34 <BurtyB> no 18:41:48 <stavrosg> naah 18:45:57 <MeusH> thanks 18:47:19 *** French_Tycoon [n=chatzill@cha78-1-82-240-59-140.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:31 <French_Tycoon> hi everyone 18:47:43 <MeusH> hey 18:48:03 <French_Tycoon> i m just rediscovering the game 18:48:14 <French_Tycoon> used to play a little when it camed out 18:48:55 <French_Tycoon> y a t il un francais dans la salle ? ;) 18:49:55 *** bociusz [n=bociusz@3e44a860.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [] 18:58:25 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd [] 18:59:03 <French_Tycoon> can someone tell me hox to know the cost of batiments before building them, and or how to know the cost of a tunnel before building it ? 18:59:06 *** Turulo [n=weed@233.Red-83-54-155.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:59:16 <Qball> French_Tycoon: hold shift 18:59:39 <French_Tycoon> Qball: i try it now 18:59:59 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 19:00:20 <French_Tycoon> haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 19:00:34 <French_Tycoon> thanks a lot Qball !!!! 19:00:46 <French_Tycoon> exactly what i was looking for :) 19:01:25 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd [] 19:02:59 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:03:13 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 19:03:26 <French_Tycoon> it dont works for rail ? 19:03:28 *** Qball is now known as zenq 19:03:51 *** zenq is now known as Qball 19:06:20 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 19:06:43 <French_Tycoon> sory, it works, must hav wrong doint it first time 19:06:44 <French_Tycoon> thanks 19:15:13 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: any progress on the wiki? 19:15:15 <MeusH> can I help? 19:17:21 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:17:49 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: no progress done, and thanks, but you cannot help yet 19:18:04 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: except for.. saving the spamlist of our wiki 19:18:21 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: since i'd like to load a bit fresher snapshot of the current wiki 19:18:45 <MeusH> you mean, to note what to put to the blacklist, or to clear the wiki from the spam? 19:19:38 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: save down to your local computer the wiki's spam-url blacklist 19:19:55 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: because the current DB will say byebye :) 19:20:39 <MeusH> the wiki = the "old" wiki? 19:21:19 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: no, the wiki-dev 19:21:35 <MeusH> doesn't the wiki-dev contain just "szatan" and "lofasz"? 19:21:44 <MeusH> anyway, I'll save that 19:21:47 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: ahh, meanwhile I checked and it's pointless to save, you're right 19:21:55 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: so you don't need to save that :D 19:21:59 <MeusH> yes 19:23:24 <MeusH> tell me if there's something todo 19:24:14 <MiHaMiX> okay, I'll count on you ;) 19:24:19 <MeusH> Bjarni: I was thinking about the "favourite servers" in OTTD. There is [servers] block in openttd.cfg, but these are mixed with global servers. How about splitting it? I was planning a patch like that but I need to know if people would be interested 19:31:31 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B8487F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 19:33:27 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B8487F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:35:11 <MeusH> does anyone here use opera integrated IRC client? 19:35:30 <MeusH> I'd like to know if there is a way to log the chat messages 19:35:42 <MeusH> if not, I'll switch back to a typical IRC client 19:35:44 *** French_Tycoon [n=chatzill@cha78-1-82-240-59-140.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:37:22 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:38:34 <TrueLight> www.google.nl 19:38:36 <TrueLight> lazy ass :p 19:39:30 <TrueLight> just an other 6 hours till 2 GB is downloaded 19:39:36 <TrueLight> and then you have a 10 mbit connection 19:39:38 <TrueLight> stupid shit 19:52:06 <MeusH> seeyaa 19:52:06 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd [] 20:07:08 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.3.49] has quit ["Sleep 'n' all that [Time wasted online: 8hrs 42mins 32secs]"] 20:12:15 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-08627.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:17:00 *** e1ko [n=31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:17:18 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 20:17:31 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7F9BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:29:19 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947F6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [""cal 9 1752""] 20:32:48 *** DmitryKo [n=chatzill@ppp85-140-134-3.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:38:21 *** DmitryKo [n=chatzill@ppp85-140-134-3.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.71 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 20:46:12 *** SchAmane_away [n=schamane@p5498F004.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:50:00 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:52:52 <peter1138> hmm, signal bug! 20:57:08 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: fix that! :) 20:57:21 <peter1138> i could do 20:57:43 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: do! :) 21:06:51 *** KouDy [i=KouDy@85.207.64.3] has joined #openttd 21:06:53 *** KouDy [i=KouDy@85.207.64.3] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:07:30 *** TinoDidri [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 21:07:32 *** Born-Acorn [n=bornacor@ACBD4B0C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 21:08:53 *** Turulo [n=weed@233.Red-83-54-155.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 21:10:19 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["kwiet"] 21:10:27 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:13:21 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:13:26 *** Cheery_ [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:13:45 * Brianetta returns from the sickbed of doom 21:14:17 <Brianetta> Four days of abdominal cramps and ten-minutely diarrhoea really lends itself to losing weight! 21:15:15 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:15:20 *** Cheery_ is now known as Cheery 21:15:25 <RoySmeding> Brianetta: fun 21:15:41 <Brianetta> Nope 21:15:44 <Brianetta> Unfun! 21:16:06 <Brianetta> It's the first time in my life I have had paper chaffing down there 21:16:13 <Brianetta> Didn't know that was even possible 21:17:00 <BurtyB> you paint such a good picture Brianetta 21:17:28 <Brianetta> (: 21:17:33 <Brianetta> I ate today 21:17:38 <Brianetta> and stuff 21:17:40 <Brianetta> I went out 21:22:42 <Brianetta> So anyway 21:23:08 <Brianetta> Now I'm not either writhing on the bed in agony or moaning that I want to die in the bathroom... 21:23:20 <Brianetta> I've finally restarted my nightly! 21:24:22 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACBD4B0C.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:25:27 * peter1138 fiddles with 2cc gui 21:25:38 <peter1138> maybe i should make it a bit wider 21:25:44 <peter1138> for non-english translations... 21:26:50 <peter1138> oof, yeah :/ 21:27:03 <peter1138> finnish is pretty wide 21:27:15 <peter1138> pink = vaaleanpunainen 21:28:25 <peter1138> all this stuff should be dynamic to fit o_O 21:28:56 <Brianetta> lol @ Finnish pink 21:37:58 <ln-> nothing wrong with it 21:37:58 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:38:13 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:41:27 <Tron> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/69 <--- wtf? 21:41:46 <Hinrik> lol 21:41:52 <BurtyB> lol 21:42:09 <BurtyB> you should change the priority to critical 21:42:16 <MiHaMiX> lol :DDD 21:44:03 <hylje> nice bug 21:45:34 <peter1138> lol 21:47:12 <peter1138> right, vaaleanpunainen is the longest colour i found 21:49:35 <peter1138> (and it now fits) 21:50:10 <MiHaMiX> :DD 21:50:18 * MiHaMiX is quite happy now :) 21:50:34 * MiHaMiX implemented the search functionality into the new WebTranslator :) 21:50:43 <SpComb> baah 21:54:42 *** TrueLight is now known as TL|Away 21:56:49 <peter1138> note: when adding strings, save the file before trying to use them... 21:58:47 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.84.38] has joined #openttd 22:00:02 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 22:00:05 <peter1138> note: it takes fscking ages to recompile everything :( 22:00:13 <hylje> get more procs 22:00:23 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd [] 22:00:29 <peter1138> still going 22:00:32 <peter1138> only just finished deps 22:01:10 <hylje> its really fun to install gentoo from scratch too 22:01:12 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 22:01:16 <MeusH> hey 22:01:21 <hylje> if you enjoy looking at compiler output, that si 22:01:38 <MeusH> cya 22:01:39 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd [] 22:02:15 <peter1138> hylje: did that 22:02:17 <peter1138> got bored 22:02:20 <peter1138> put debian back on 22:02:41 <peter1138> mind, this is compiling with cygwin under win xp at the moment 22:02:51 <peter1138> it's quite a bit slower than under linux 22:03:41 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:03:59 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:05:32 <peter1138> finished! 22:05:36 <hylje> GZ 22:05:37 <peter1138> 10 minutes o_O 22:06:24 <Hinrik> lol 22:06:30 <Hinrik> that's long 22:06:47 <Hinrik> * games-simulation/openttd-0.4.5 22:06:47 <Hinrik> Emerged at: Fri Feb 24 13:51:17 2006 22:06:47 <Hinrik> Build time: 57 seconds 22:07:41 * peter1138 kicks Hinrik 22:09:29 <ln-> is it possible to draw a sprite vertically flipped? 22:10:58 <MiHaMiX> hylje: a whole gentoo from scratch? maybe i'll try that sometime :) 22:11:36 <hylje> not really whole 22:11:38 <hylje> but most of it 22:12:50 <MiHaMiX> Hinrik: what box do you have? 22:13:07 <ln-> i have a quick and dirty patch for the critical bug! 22:13:10 <Hinrik> laptop with Pentium M 1.7GHz 22:13:17 <ln-> see for yourselves: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/two-earrings.diff 22:14:11 <MiHaMiX> lol :D 22:15:22 <ln-> don't blame me that they will also get a third ear, it's hardly noticeable. 22:16:12 <hylje> omg 22:16:33 <Hinrik> as long as she's only wearing two earrings, the bug is fixed :P 22:17:52 <ln-> it's not my bloody idea that the ear is part of the earring sprite. :) 22:18:47 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-08627.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 22:20:54 *** lc [n=lc@gazoduc.tekila.org] has joined #openttd 22:20:59 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:20:59 *** Zr40 [n=zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:24:19 <MiHaMiX> :D 22:32:22 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 22:35:00 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-97.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 22:35:29 <ln-> i still don't hear the lovely sound of an svn commit... 22:35:46 <BurtyB> ear ear 22:36:51 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176115130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:41:52 <MiHaMiX> :DD 22:42:18 <hylje> no not really 22:44:27 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7D642.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:46:19 <MiHaMiX> well, good night folks :) 22:46:34 <hylje> really? 22:46:41 <Fujitsu> 'night MiHaMiX. 22:47:02 <MiHaMiX> night :) 22:49:03 <Celestar> back 22:50:00 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176115130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 22:50:52 <peter1138> wb 22:50:54 <peter1138> can you fix it? :p 22:51:09 <Celestar> what? :P 22:51:15 <peter1138> elrails.c 22:51:20 <hylje> everything 22:51:35 <Celestar> peter1138: what's wrong with it? :P 22:51:43 <peter1138> you didn't... add it ;p 22:52:11 <Celestar> er WHAT? 22:53:07 <peter1138> night night :) 22:53:29 <CIA-5> celestar * r3822 /branch/elrail/elrail.c: -Fix: er.... sorry. Forgot to add a file 22:53:31 <Celestar> sorry :P 22:53:43 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176104134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:55:24 *** e1ko [n=31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 23:00:29 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36A96.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:01:03 *** zr40 [n=zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 23:08:24 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A146.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 23:11:58 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7D642.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:15:22 *** zr40 [n=zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:16:50 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACBD4B0C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 23:18:04 <Born_Acorn> Hmm this erails business, is it possible to have one gantry spanning multiple tracks? Or will it be like TTDPatch with a wire to each track 23:19:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i imagine that to be difficult... 23:20:01 <Eddi|zuHause> although it would be cool ;) 23:20:48 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7F966.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:21:10 <Eddi|zuHause> different sprites for single-track, double-track and multi-track catenaries 23:23:26 <Born_Acorn> Although, thinking about it, it may just not be the effort for the eyecandy it would provide 23:23:32 <Born_Acorn> +worth 23:23:47 <Born_Acorn> Although it still would be cool if it was like that :p 23:23:51 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-245-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 23:33:49 <Brianetta> BurtyB: Cork in ze ear 23:34:28 <Brianetta> Born-Acorn: Shouldn't be hard 23:34:31 <Brianetta> because 23:34:42 <Brianetta> thre's a similar function in the rail fences 23:47:31 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 23:48:33 *** Arghhhh [n=chatzill@cha78-1-82-240-59-140.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.71 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 23:49:26 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 23:49:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i thought about that, too, but i think for catenary that needs to be expanded a little further than just checking if the adjacent tile is rail also... 23:57:29 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2E026.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd