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00:03:06 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36FC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:04:30 *** CobraA3 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:05:11 *** CobraA3 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 00:13:00 *** RichK [n=RichK@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 00:13:24 <RichK> hi all 00:15:33 <MeusH> hey 00:15:48 <RichK> meush - good to see ya 00:16:44 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7C8C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://mir.ist-langweilig.de/oh_man.jpg/"] 00:17:40 <RichK> yikes... i blinked and the nightly jumps 4004-4072 in 2 days 00:18:12 <Bjarni> 4072 is already history 00:18:23 <Bjarni> now the newest revision is 4074 00:18:32 <MeusH> yes, things are going fast 00:18:35 <MeusH> and people like it :) 00:18:36 <RichK> ah... but it is the latest nightly :) 00:18:53 <RichK> all you need now are some airports, and new terrain ;) 00:19:02 <MeusH> oh yes 00:19:10 <MeusH> new map array would be nice, too :) 00:19:13 <MeusH> Bjarni, do you remember my old project which measures the distance when dragging? 00:19:29 * RichK tries to peddle some illicit patches ;) 00:20:08 <Bjarni> MeusH: are you implying that I'm capable of forgetting? 00:20:20 <MeusH> surely no :) 00:20:37 <MeusH> I've just got an idea to prevent the tooltip from blinking all the time 00:20:46 <Bjarni> nice 00:20:50 <MeusH> move the measurement to a toolbar 00:21:01 <Bjarni> hmm 00:21:03 <MeusH> now this isn't that nice because it takes the toolbar space 00:21:23 <Bjarni> it would be better to figure out why it blinks 00:21:46 *** syf [i=syf@n28z21l50.broadband.ctm.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:22:06 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit ["/quit"] 00:22:18 <MeusH> would it be something like winapi, or OpenTTD internal redrawing routines? 00:26:25 <Bjarni> I don't know 00:26:40 <Bjarni> but don't rely on some OS specific feature to solve 00:26:41 <Bjarni> it 00:29:37 <MeusH> allright 00:30:00 <MeusH> however I don't know OpenTTD code so much that I can find the reason 00:30:36 <MeusH> and I was just asking about your view on displaying the info on the toolbar 00:30:57 <Bjarni> I'm not too happy about it 00:31:15 *** Morlark|Yarr [n=Sean@host86-141-124-29.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:31:31 <Bjarni> but if the other developers accept it, then I will too 00:32:39 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@200.50.1.154] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:32:55 <MeusH> I don't like the toolbar idea now, too 00:33:06 <MeusH> there is just no empty space for it 00:33:23 <MeusH> tooltip is a nice thing, but it blinks 00:33:35 <MeusH> I can only think about a fixed tooltip in a corner of a screen 00:34:05 <RichK> why not have it that it only shows the tooltip while you hold down SHIFT, like doing a cost 00:34:35 <RichK> then its ok if it blinks... take your finger off the darn button then! 00:35:04 <MeusH> we don't want it to blink 00:35:24 <MeusH> and it shows only when holding... shift... ctrl... not remember 00:35:30 <glx> it blinks because screen is perpetually refreshed 00:37:37 <MeusH> refreshing procedure fails for moving tooltip 00:37:41 <MeusH> apparently... 00:40:56 <Bjarni> hmm 00:41:03 <Bjarni> this could actually be it 00:41:45 <Bjarni> solution to see if that is the case: find an x86 based mac and try the patch on that one. It will update the whole screen for each frame (due to a bug) 00:41:57 <Bjarni> if it moves correctly, then it's an update bug 00:42:20 <MeusH> what's so different on x86 mac? 00:42:25 <MeusH> you own one? 00:42:29 <Bjarni> no 00:42:43 <Bjarni> but it uses the cocoa video driver 00:42:43 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r4075 /trunk/ (gfx.c gfx.h openttd.c video/sdl_v.c video/win32_v.c): 00:42:43 <CIA-5> - Feature: Undraw the mouse when it leaves the window and Draw it again when it 00:42:43 <CIA-5> enters. Added both for WIN32 and SDL. Since Win95 has troubles with 00:42:43 <CIA-5> TrackMouseEvent(), this function was just simply rewritten which was the 00:42:43 <CIA-5> easiest. Based on a patch by DmitryKo. 00:43:21 <MeusH> my hard disk was formatted, but the patch is on the forum 00:43:22 <Bjarni> and it appears to have issues with it, so I fixed it by updating everything for each frame. Hard to do anything better when I could not debug the problem 00:43:25 <MeusH> I'll work on it tommorow 00:43:53 <MeusH> anyway, it's really late and I should go sleep 00:44:12 <RichK> DarkSSH : ping 00:44:22 <MeusH> goodnight everybody 00:44:24 <MeusH> bye 00:44:25 <RichK> cya 00:44:26 <Bjarni> DarkSSH: now you are taking better care for some OSes than others 00:44:29 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 00:44:34 <Bjarni> where is the change in the cocoa video driver :p 00:45:12 <RichK> </homer>hmmm... cocoa </homer> 00:45:22 <Bjarni> ... 00:45:43 <Bjarni> + case SDL_ACTIVEEVENT: 00:45:43 <Bjarni> + if (ev.active.gain == 1) // mouse entered the window, enable cursor 00:45:43 <Bjarni> + _cursor.in_window = true; 00:45:43 <Bjarni> + else if (ev.active.gain == 0) { 00:45:43 <Bjarni> + UndrawMouseCursor(); // mouse left the window, undraw cursor 00:45:44 <Bjarni> + _cursor.in_window = false; 00:45:46 <Bjarni> + } 00:45:48 <Bjarni> + break; 00:45:52 <glx> RichK: wrong starting balise :) 00:46:02 <RichK> yup... -h 00:46:05 <Bjarni> I guess that should be doable fairly easy in cocoa as well 00:46:13 <Bjarni> it appears that nothing else is needed 00:47:08 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 00:50:53 *** Morlark| [n=Sean@host86-141-124-29.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:51:15 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:51:16 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46c0e.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:51:19 <RichK> devs: is there any news on AI progress or at least the interface I could hook train AI into... I'd love to get started (last i knew GPMI was currently truck/bus limited 00:55:11 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36FC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:58:33 *** RichK [n=RichK@194.164.100.143] has left #openttd [] 00:59:20 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:02:41 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:07:53 *** Born-Acorn [n=bornacor@ACC8DCE9.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 01:08:42 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36FC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:12:26 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 01:16:07 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 01:16:08 <black_Nightmare> hey ;) 01:17:26 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 01:20:13 <Alltaken> http://doug.mudpuddle.co.nz/gallery/v/wip/ottdwip/ (does anyone see anything at this page?) 01:21:39 <Alltaken> TL|Away: you really away or just hiding ? 01:35:53 <ThePizzaKing> Alltaken: I can see pictures there, OTTD Logo etc. 01:37:03 *** syf [i=syf@n28z21l50.broadband.ctm.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:45 <ThePizzaKing> wow! those new shores look awesome 01:50:00 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:01:12 *** Belugas [n=jfranc@ip-214.46.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 02:20:00 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176111192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 02:26:18 *** Mukke` [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 02:28:42 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 02:29:58 * SimonRC learns just how bad an idea it is to build trains that are too long for your stations. 02:30:04 <Belugas> why do I have a "+" in from of me??? 02:30:13 <Belugas> well.. the other me :) 02:30:30 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:31:06 <SimonRC> Belugas: you're voiced. 02:32:07 <Belugas> What does it mean? Like : somebody pinged me/him? 02:32:43 <SimonRC> no 02:32:57 <SimonRC> It means that you would be able to speak if this channel were moderated 02:33:19 <SimonRC> BTW, is there anything I can do to reduce the occurance of air crashes? 02:33:26 <Belugas> ho... Thanks. 02:33:32 <Belugas> hem... 02:34:10 <Belugas> put some airports that are only served for maintenance along the lines. 02:34:30 <Belugas> It does not help MUCH, but it is a plus. 02:34:54 <Belugas> and of course, as soon as you arrive in an airport, maintenance. 02:35:06 <Belugas> or cheat :) 02:39:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> one should be able to disable all kinds of crashes... 02:40:50 <black_Nightmare> just wondering, whats with the coloured dots left of the train consists in the train list dialog? 02:40:57 <black_Nightmare> I see them being grey, orange or green 02:41:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> they are showing profit 02:41:08 <Belugas> Difficulty level/breakdowns -> none + Disasters -> off 02:41:18 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause2 : that should do the job 02:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> Belugas: no, it doesn't 02:41:36 <black_Nightmare> eddi...hmm....so which colour would be what kind of profit? :p 02:41:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> grey: too young to tell 02:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> green: >20k 02:41:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> yellow <20k 02:42:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> red: <0 02:42:17 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause2 : some crashes are left? 02:42:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> Belugas: yes, like train run over car... and i believe plane crashes as well 02:44:02 <black_Nightmare> oh I see now...thanks 02:44:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> at least it used to... been a while since i last used planes 02:44:05 <Belugas> train over car is no crash, in my book... as for planes, well... 02:44:25 <Belugas> been a while since I've played, peirod :) 02:44:31 <black_Nightmare> I always found it too funny to lay rails over ai's roads..... 02:44:43 <black_Nightmare> eventually there'll be a vehicle crash :p 02:44:46 <Belugas> and now, sleeping time :) 02:44:49 <Belugas> bye 02:44:49 <black_Nightmare> even with a slow early passenger train 02:44:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> ai roads are like THE unfunniest thing in the game 02:44:56 *** Belugas [n=jfranc@ip-214.46.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit ["How about sleeping? Yeaaa.."] 02:46:19 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 02:46:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> even back in TTO... i learned pretty fast, that you rather turn OFF the AI entirely ;) 02:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> game has been so much more fun ever since ;) 02:53:12 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 03:01:10 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:13:19 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 03:27:27 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:31:39 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 03:33:17 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 03:47:33 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:53:51 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:01:32 *** copperc0re [n=copperco@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has quit ["*.net *.split"] 04:14:42 *** dp_ [n=dp@p54B2F00C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:30:54 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2E409.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:30:54 *** dp_ is now known as dp-- 04:51:50 <Diablo-D3> insane ddr players: http://youtube.com/watch?v=qGaHsBxeBfM&search=ddr 05:09:59 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:10:51 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:14:10 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:14:26 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 05:15:01 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36FC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:20:54 *** axadhus [n=mav@ganymed.inf.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:31:32 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 05:32:17 <MeusH> hello 05:32:56 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 05:35:30 <MeusH> hey Alltaken 05:35:42 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: the spam blacklist is useless! 05:35:44 <MeusH> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/OpenTTD:Sandbox 05:35:49 <MeusH> take a look at the top of the page 05:36:42 <MeusH> it doesn't look for bad words in the webpage name or full link 05:36:45 <MeusH> just domain 05:37:01 <Alltaken> hey MeusH 05:37:12 <Alltaken> are you part of this OTTD fork at all> 05:37:14 <Alltaken> ? 05:38:55 <MeusH> I maitain it 05:39:03 <MeusH> but MiHaMiX found the filter 05:39:18 <MeusH> and now I realized it won't work if domain name is nice. 05:39:59 <MeusH> It will accept http://www.nice_domain_name/sex/horny swiss watch replicas.htm 05:40:28 <MeusH> because it will stop looking for bad words after domain name 05:41:05 <MeusH> also I need to upload a file 05:41:11 <MeusH> and other people need to do so, too 05:47:14 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 05:54:09 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 05:54:39 <Tobin> MeusH: The Mediwiki spam filter is a regular expression. You can change the expression to match anything you want. 05:54:45 <Tobin> *Media wiki 05:57:08 <Tobin> You have to be careful though obviously. E.g. simple match for cialis will also get sepcialist. 06:02:14 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 06:03:18 <MeusH> and it works for all words, not just links? 06:07:13 <Tobin> Yes, it's a plain old fashioned regex. It doesn't even know what a URL really is. 06:07:46 <Tobin> The OpenTTD wiki probably makes it match just URLS though. 06:08:42 <MeusH> yesp 06:08:44 <MeusH> domain names 06:08:50 <MeusH> thanks for your support 06:08:52 <MeusH> I g2g 06:08:53 <MeusH> cya 06:08:56 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 06:08:59 <Tobin> No, not domain names, URLs. 06:25:23 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3D517.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:34:43 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:38:12 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3EDDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:40:52 <CIA-5> tron * r4076 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Back out r4074. It doesn't work and leads to make endlessly calling itself. NOTE: Delete Makefile.config to recover. 06:47:42 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc2-shep3-4-0-cust174.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:50:00 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:59:30 *** TL|Away [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:13:42 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.5.13] has joined #openttd 07:17:42 <MiHaMiX> Mek: here 07:17:51 <MiHaMiX> Mek: spam blacklist is not useless 07:18:02 <MiHaMiX> Mek: sorry, i meant MeusH 07:18:03 <MiHaMiX> :) 07:22:58 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 07:24:30 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:26:54 *** Xeryus|bed is now known as XeryusTC 07:27:51 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36FC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:33:11 <Tobin> MiHaMiX: You're using the media wiki spam regex, yeah? 07:42:28 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 07:43:16 <MiHaMiX> Tobin: yes 07:43:34 <MiHaMiX> Tobin: just MeusH doesn't know regexs, I suppose 07:43:54 <Tobin> MiHaMiX: Apparently he doesn't. 07:48:08 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:59:58 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 08:00:48 <CIA-5> tron * r4077 /trunk/ (disaster_cmd.c industry_cmd.c industry_map.h): Add GetIndustry{Index,ByTile}() to get the industry index resp. the industry from a tile 08:05:15 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:34 <Celestar> wohoo 08:12:03 <Celestar> Tron_: morning 08:12:06 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46c0e.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:12:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:17:15 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36FC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 08:17:23 <CIA-5> celestar * r4078 /branch/elrail/ (26 files in 5 dirs): [elrail] Merge from trunk: revisions 4025:4077 08:20:07 * Bjarni wonders when elrails will be merged the other way 08:20:15 <Celestar> Bjarni: this weekend 08:21:58 <Celestar> people I need old savegames to test. 08:24:02 <Tron_> Celestar: morning 08:24:18 <Celestar> Tron_: I'll be in Karlsruhe for 2 days ;) 08:24:23 <Tron_> when? 08:24:59 <Celestar> April 20, 21. 08:25:05 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B807E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:27:46 <Celestar> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=420304#420304 <= is that CLEAR now or not? 08:29:27 <Patrick`> transparent 08:29:28 <Bjarni> not to the forum users. They are a special case :p 08:30:14 <Tron_> Celestar: you assume reading capability. you should add some pictures *g* 08:30:51 <Bjarni> yeah, like a series of screenshots of flyspray and how to add files to a bug report 08:31:14 <Celestar> rofl 08:31:18 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:31:28 <Celestar> Tron_: suggestion: Rename TileOffsByDir to TileOffsByDiagDir 08:31:34 <Celestar> objections? 08:34:41 *** axadhus [n=mav@ganymed.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 08:37:57 <Celestar> gcc should really have a warning for write-only variables 08:38:48 <Tron_> Celestar: yes, that would make the naming more consistent, which could lead to more comprehensible could and i don't even want to speculate where THAT could lead to! *shudder* 08:39:16 <Tron_> Celestar: it's pretty impossible to tell if a variable is write-only if it isn't static 08:39:42 <Celestar> Tron_: even if local in scope? 08:40:03 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: nice iconv detector Bjarni ;-p 08:40:29 <Tron_> hm, it should be possible to detect local variables which are write-only (as long as you never get the address of it) 08:40:49 <Bjarni> DarkSSH: why ;-p 08:40:55 <Bjarni> it's working, right? 08:40:57 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 08:43:23 <Tron> Bjarni: svn log -r 4076 08:44:29 <Bjarni> o_O 08:44:33 <Bjarni> it works here 08:44:40 <Tron> %gmake 08:44:40 <Tron> gmake: --cflags: Kommando nicht gefunden 08:44:40 <Tron> gmake: --cflags: Kommando nicht gefunden 08:44:40 <Tron> gmake: --libs: Kommando nicht gefunden 08:44:47 <Tron> and so on 08:45:18 <Patrick`> what's gmake, german make? 08:45:19 <Tron> "Kommando nicht gefunden" -> "command not found" 08:45:23 <Tron> Patrick`: GNU make 08:45:30 <Tron> Patrick`: just my locale is german 08:45:31 <Celestar> I also have problems with 4075 08:45:32 <Patrick`> yes, I knew that 08:45:48 <Bjarni> Patrick`: no, it's GNU make 08:46:12 <Bjarni> some computers got a make, that's not GNU make for some reason 08:46:29 <Tron> the reason being having a make a decade before GNU existed 08:46:57 *** TPK [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:47:29 <Bjarni> ok, that's a good reason 08:47:51 <Bjarni> I still wonder why that patch would fail for you guys while it worked for me 08:47:54 <DarkSSH> btw, morning all 08:48:16 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: if you DO readd the makefile thing define WIT_ICONV for macosX 08:48:35 <DarkSSH> the only special case osx needs in the code is already there 08:48:39 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006012600]"] 08:48:44 <Bjarni> I tested all the configurations that I had access to 08:48:49 *** TPK is now known as ThePizzaKing 08:49:36 <DarkSSH> hmm, brb, irssi is borking 08:49:44 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 08:50:23 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 08:50:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 08:51:43 *** mode/#openttd [-o DarkSSH] by DarkSSH 08:55:12 <CIA-5> tron * r4079 /trunk/ (11 files in 3 dirs): Add GetSation{Index,ByTile}() to get the station index resp. the station from a tile 08:58:35 <peter1138> i hope it's spelt correctly in the code :) 08:59:43 <DarkSSH> :P 09:00:36 <peter1138> *sigh* 09:00:44 <peter1138> one of our systems has been down all night :/ 09:03:30 <peter1138> ouch, 90KB for the full si units stuff ;p 09:04:32 <DarkSSH> peter1138: perhaps do the langs seperately? 09:05:21 <peter1138> probably a good idea 09:05:42 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 09:12:56 <peter1138> i added a keyword for weight too 09:13:43 <DarkSSH> :D 09:13:57 <DarkSSH> so we have VELOCITY, POWER AND WEIGHT 09:14:02 <peter1138> yes 09:14:09 <DarkSSH> :D 09:14:15 <peter1138> though cargo descriptions still use {COMMA} tonne{P "" s} 09:15:03 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 09:15:19 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 09:16:08 *** stefan is now known as stefan__ 09:16:08 *** stefan__ is now known as stefan 09:18:49 <CIA-5> celestar * r4080 /branch/elrail/elrail.c: [elrail] Some minor code cleanups and removal of variables that are not needed 09:20:16 <Celestar> Tron: ping. 09:20:31 <peter1138> pong 09:20:37 <peter1138> merrily oh high 09:25:24 <Celestar> peter1138: did you happen to have a chance to look at the mixed-consist-on-normal-rail problem? 09:27:01 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|school 09:27:18 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has joined #openttd 09:33:47 <peter1138> briefly 09:37:38 <Celestar> TADA 09:37:40 <CIA-5> celestar * r4081 /branch/elrail/ (BUGS elrail.c): [elrail] Fixed a problem where bridges of length 2 (or zero, if you prefer) would miss a pylon in the middle. This was (hopefully) the last graphical glitch in the drawing system 09:40:54 <Celestar> so what remains.... 09:41:11 <Celestar> .oO(elrail.c is below 350 lines) 09:41:11 <DarkSSH> ICecreatm :) 09:41:21 <DarkSSH> that cannot be good 09:41:26 <Celestar> nah ... I gotta draw sprites 09:41:29 <DarkSSH> add some obfuscation 09:41:38 <peter1138> boss: have you replied to foo yet? 09:41:44 <Celestar> DarkSSH: all the obfuscation is in table/elrail_data.h 09:41:47 <peter1138> me: uh, no (quickly switches from ottd window...) 09:41:54 <Celestar> which is another 350 lines 09:43:08 <Bjarni> anybody on Intel mac here? 09:46:48 <Bjarni> I guess not 09:47:56 <CIA-5> bjarni * r4082 /trunk/video/cocoa_v.m: 09:47:56 <CIA-5> -Fix: [OSX] FS#80 Crash when switching from windowed to fullscreen 09:47:56 <CIA-5> this bug was introduced in rev 3670, but when undetected for a long time since it was resolution specific 09:47:56 <CIA-5> this is likely the issue with x86 OSX in fullscreen, so I removed the really slow workaround and will clean it up once I get positive feedback from a x86 mac 09:47:56 <CIA-5> this means that x86 OSX should now get the 1000% video driver speed boost as well 09:47:59 <CIA-5> this fix is written by eglandil 09:49:32 <Bjarni> Vornicus: now you should be able to switch resolution like you want to :) 09:50:00 <egladil> yay! Bjarni misspelled my nick in the commit log :) 09:51:12 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D517.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 09:51:24 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3D517.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:51:26 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D517.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:52:38 <Celestar> hey wow. 09:52:49 <Celestar> the gimp is not as bad as I always thought :o 09:53:06 <Bjarni> <egladil> yay! Bjarni misspelled my nick in the commit log :) <-- oops 09:53:07 * Vornicus wakes up 09:53:12 <Bjarni> sorry 09:53:18 <Vornicus> YAAAAAAY 09:53:19 <egladil> np 09:54:58 * Vornicus thanks Bjarni profusely! 09:56:54 <Celestar> did I mention that I HATE sprites? 09:57:14 <DarkSSH> no :O 09:57:29 <Celestar> they're horrible 09:57:56 <Vornicus> what exactly was the problem anyway? 09:58:17 * Vornicus also thanks Egladil profusely too, now that he learns to read. 09:59:33 <peter1138> 1000% ? exactly that? heh 10:00:43 <Bjarni> maybe I should have written ~ in front of it or something like that 10:01:02 <Bjarni> it depends on how much is happening on the screen, but 1000% is not off 10:04:56 <Celestar> great 10:05:15 <Celestar> ok peops I need someone to create sprites for me. 10:08:34 <Bjarni> Celestar: you are now the proud owner of a whole sub category on flyspray 10:08:57 <egladil> Vornicus: your welcome :) 10:08:57 <Bjarni> I created elrails as a sub category now that you requested people to use it 10:09:19 <Celestar> ^^ 10:10:07 <Bjarni> this means that you will automatically get an email whenever somebody adds a new bug and give it that sub category 10:10:22 <peter1138> heh 10:10:26 <peter1138> -> spam bin 10:10:35 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 10:11:01 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 10:11:02 * Vornicus yays because he can actually play ottd again! 10:11:30 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:15:18 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/siunits4.diff 10:15:37 <Celestar> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=379520#379520 <= what about this diff? 10:16:16 <peter1138> artistic wiggly lines! 10:16:43 <Celestar> could anyone have a look 10:17:06 <Celestar> DarkSSH: what about 0.4.6a ? 10:17:47 <CIA-5> egladil * r4083 /trunk/video/cocoa_v.m: -Feature: [OSX] Ported r4075 (Undraw the mouse when it leaves the window and Draw it again when it enters). 10:17:50 <DarkSSH> a? 10:18:26 <DarkSSH> why ? 10:18:28 <DarkSSH> why A? 10:19:25 *** init [n=init@dhcp-221-137.pdc.kth.se] has joined #openttd 10:20:00 <peter1138> just to completely ruin the scheme :) 10:20:06 <DarkSSH> ok let's release on Saturday or Sunday? 10:20:57 <DarkSSH> god I have excel 10:21:02 * Vornicus fiddles, tries to get the game to build a 64x256 arctic map with at least one forest. 10:21:10 <peter1138> i have it too 10:21:12 <peter1138> it's horrible ;( 10:21:34 <peter1138> bah, got my new council tax bill yesterday 10:21:38 <peter1138> up by £7 a month :( 10:21:43 <DarkSSH> just having it is not that bad 10:21:50 <DarkSSH> having to use it is what the problem is :( 10:21:53 <DarkSSH> ALL DAY 10:21:54 <DarkSSH> gaaaha 10:24:01 <Celestar> DarkSSH: because of the annoying pathfinder problem. 10:25:05 *** Torrasque [n=jerome@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 10:25:05 <DarkSSH> Celestar: yes but why A? 10:25:10 <Celestar> dunno 10:25:15 <Celestar> 0.4.6.1 whatever 10:25:19 <Celestar> who cares? ;) 10:25:30 <Vornicus> 0.4.6cthulhu 10:26:58 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has quit ["do coders dream of sheep()?"] 10:29:59 * Vornicus ponders terragenesis. 10:30:08 <Vornicus> also. 10:30:25 <Vornicus> I like Excel. I use it when I need to figure out how to do some mathy thing. 10:32:17 <Celestar> DarkSSH: any release date for the fix-fix? 10:32:45 <DarkSSH> 11:20 < DarkSSH> ok let's release on Saturday or Sunday? 10:32:50 <DarkSSH> hmm I just realised 10:33:03 <DarkSSH> 11:20 < DarkSSH> god I have excel <-- this was suppoed to be haTe 10:33:05 <Celestar> DarkSSH: I'd say Saturday, latest 10:34:31 <Celestar> the current version is not optimal for usa 10:34:32 <Celestar> ge 10:34:38 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:38:09 <DarkSSH> Celestar: Tron was right though, fixes going in should be there for at least 2-3 days. 10:38:21 <DarkSSH> 0.4.6 was kinda embarassing 10:42:09 <init> Celestar: I just tried the latest rev (4083) of the elrails branch, and it looks very promising. I'm looking forward to its inclusion in the trunk. 10:45:50 <init> Celestar: I found one very minor bug though. :) The side for catenary supports at track ends do not match the side used for the catenary for the rest of the track. 10:51:15 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 10:51:31 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 10:52:16 *** stefan is now known as stefan__ 10:52:18 *** stefan__ is now known as stefan 10:54:10 <CIA-5> bjarni * r4084 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 10:54:10 <CIA-5> -Documentation: [OSX] changed OSX specific docs 10:54:10 <CIA-5> -added an explanation to why there is a special Jaguar download (people appears to download it even when they should download the other one) 10:54:10 <CIA-5> -removed the long outdated README_if_game_crashed_on_OSX.txt 10:54:15 <Bjarni> ok, I'm out of here 10:54:18 <Bjarni> see you tonight 10:57:11 <Celestar> init: yes, and I'm not going to change that too quickly. Eye-candy stuff comes later. 10:57:34 <Celestar> init: we first have to solve the mixed consist problem and then we will merge. 10:57:56 <Celestar> Tron: ping 10:58:09 <init> Celestar: That's fine with me, just so you know. :) 10:58:14 <Celestar> good ^^ 10:58:36 <Celestar> init: please report any more problems you find ;) 11:00:16 <Celestar> KUDr: you there? 11:00:54 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 11:01:41 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 11:07:04 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:15:41 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:18:48 *** Torrasque [n=jerome@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 11:20:39 <Celestar> woohoo 11:21:44 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@unaffiliated/magicjohn] has left #openttd [] 11:21:45 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@unaffiliated/magicjohn] has joined #openttd 11:22:57 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:23:13 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 11:24:03 *** stefan is now known as stefan__ 11:24:03 *** stefan__ is now known as stefan 11:30:49 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36FC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:11 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7993.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 11:36:32 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176118089.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:40:57 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 11:46:36 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 12:00:33 <CIA-5> tron * r4085 /trunk/ (rail_cmd.c road_cmd.c town_cmd.c town_map.h): Add GetTown{Index,ByTile}() to get the town index resp. the town from a tile 12:03:34 <Vornicus> shiny. 12:05:38 <black_Nightmare> just curious but any of you here play with the winter maps? ;) 12:09:29 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:10:11 <Vornicus> I do occasionally. 12:10:26 <Vornicus> I've got a 64x256 game running on one right now, for instance. 12:10:32 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CABE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:10:54 <black_Nightmare> vornicus..what you think of the little diesel engine? (the one that says its 600hp) 12:10:57 <black_Nightmare> just curious 12:11:03 <Vornicus> the shunter? useless. 12:11:59 <black_Nightmare> heh...I guess this is to our own but I actually like it at times :p 12:12:21 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 12:12:39 <black_Nightmare> one short route between a diamond mine and town bank = single 2-tiles-long platform at both .. and served by three shunters with two armour vans each 12:12:53 <black_Nightmare> kinda like the low cost for them compared to same-speed larger diesels :p 12:15:34 <black_Nightmare> one thing I've sometimes wondered about but dunno is... being able to use trailers on any road vehicle ^_^ 12:16:02 <black_Nightmare> image a log truck with a log trailer -- real thing oftenly did that a lot 12:17:23 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B822CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:20:51 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 12:23:03 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B822CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:25:19 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36FC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 12:25:43 *** Xeryus|school is now known as XeryusTC 12:35:27 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B807E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:37:35 *** Aankh|Clone [n=pockled@203.101.17.53] has joined #openttd 12:37:57 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B807E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:39:10 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181093185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:41:30 <peter1138> raa 12:41:47 <peter1138> DarkSSH: i've reworked the si units stuff 12:42:01 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36FC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:13 <peter1138> it's probably slower 12:42:17 <peter1138> but it's more flexible 12:43:51 <peter1138> it works for cargos as well, and is translatable 12:47:07 * peter1138 remembers he's at work... 12:53:15 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.5.13] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:53:55 <peter1138> heee 12:53:58 <DarkSSH> peter1138: got milk? 12:54:01 <DarkSSH> I mean got link? 12:54:04 <peter1138> 3,960 gallons of oil 12:54:17 <Patrick`> peter1138: deliver faster 12:54:33 <Patrick`> argh my portable ottd won't work 12:54:49 <peter1138> yeah 12:54:58 <DarkSSH> Patrick`: what'd you do to not make it work? 12:55:12 <Patrick`> stepped on it 12:55:14 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/siunits6.diff 12:55:18 <Patrick`> it's on a usb key 12:56:13 <peter1138> (*1026/1024 is hardly worth it, heh) 12:56:24 <Patrick`> let me state something: 12:57:04 <Patrick`> I think someone should ask the simutrans guy if we can use his graphics and sound (with permission) but I'm worried that if I personally did it I'd fuck up 12:57:21 <Patrick`> somehow 12:57:35 <peter1138> and the artists 12:57:50 <peter1138> and get the original images 12:58:01 <Patrick`> ok, the simutrans guy and his team 12:58:17 <Patrick`> or is simutrans another "we use stuff from somewhere else without permission" game? 12:58:35 <peter1138> no, it's not 12:58:56 <Patrick`> good 12:59:11 <black_Nightmare> ughhh......stupid...lol....trying to figure the hell where to lay my own rail route over ai's when they keep going into loops and useless stuff 12:59:14 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 12:59:27 <Celestar> Patrick`: what was the link with the patches you wanted included/reviewed? 13:00:05 <Patrick`> try again, tab-boy 13:00:12 <Patrick`> black_Nightmare: buy them out 13:00:18 <Patrick`> and demolish everything 13:00:36 <Patrick`> Celestar: although if you want me to suggest some patches ... I guess you were aiming at peter1138 13:01:16 <Celestar> Patrick`: no I was pointing at you :) 13:01:23 <Celestar> signal completion for example? 13:01:31 <Patrick`> ... 13:01:33 <Patrick`> oh, yeah 13:01:37 <Patrick`> let me get them 13:01:42 <Patrick`> hackykid's old signal gui patch 13:01:57 <Celestar> I liked it. 13:01:59 <black_Nightmare> patrick....heh maybe 13:02:05 <Celestar> I'm not sure why it wsa not included ever 13:02:08 <Patrick`> http://patrickthomson.ath.cx/ottd/siggui0.3005.diff 13:02:13 <Patrick`> it's ... *quite* old now 13:02:34 <Patrick`> he had a "stuff" patch which was sig gui plus npf, I guess it's redundant 13:02:36 <black_Nightmare> taking an openttd screenshot would be same as in windows.. 'print screen' key right? 13:02:51 <Patrick`> and luca's kickoff fix but that restores an old bug so I'm only using it personally 13:03:10 <Patrick`> black_Nightmare: as far as I know, yes 13:03:14 *** Jang- [n=Jango@mettab.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:03:15 <peter1138> hackykid had quite a few bits he didn't include 13:03:20 <peter1138> hmm, so do i :/ 13:03:43 <Patrick`> if you want his entire stuff patch I'll need to find it 13:03:52 <Patrick`> but afaik it only has signal gui and npf 13:03:56 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:04:26 <black_Nightmare> nah looks like its only window screenshot...hmmm..... 13:04:33 <black_Nightmare> *ponders what the openttd screenshot shortcut is* 13:04:40 <Patrick`> \I never take screenshots 13:04:48 <Patrick`> my builds (still?) have no png 13:04:58 <Patrick`> and a 2048 by 2048 makes one huge-ass pcx 13:05:02 <peter1138> black_Nightmare: ctrl s 13:05:09 <Jang-> ctrl-s 13:05:28 <Patrick`> ctrl-s 13:05:38 <black_Nightmare> peter...ohhhh 13:05:39 <black_Nightmare> thanks a lot 13:06:17 <Celestar> Patrick`: I'm trying to bump the siggui patch 13:06:42 <Jang-> good 13:06:55 <Patrick`> cool 13:07:03 <peter1138> hmm 13:07:23 <peter1138> damn, some languages use different forms of the longer units :/ 13:07:44 <black_Nightmare> http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nelsonco29thjul19711uj.png << look near the middle of that screenshot ... two deadend tracks and I'm the hell trying to figure how to cross the ai's here....or maybe just give up lol (I don't feel like buying out the ai now meh) 13:07:57 <Patrick`> black_Nightmare: one word 13:07:59 <Patrick`> tunnel 13:08:06 <black_Nightmare> it wouldn't let me build bridge over the diagonal ai tracks..meh...wish I could 13:08:24 <Patrick`> TUNNEL! 13:08:28 <black_Nightmare> patrick..hmmmmm...let me try some more landscaping and see 13:08:28 <Patrick`> tunnels go under diagonals 13:08:41 <Patrick`> I've not built a single bridge for over a year 13:08:43 <Patrick`> *real* time 13:08:59 <Patrick`> I build around sea until I can afford to terraform it awayt 13:09:24 <black_Nightmare> heh I use bridges quite a lot and you see the dual-track one near bottom of the screenshot too :p 13:09:42 <Qball> grrr the game I was playing seems to be crashed :( 13:09:54 <Jang-> you'd be lucky to fit a tunnel in there 13:10:14 <Jang-> at least without demolishing some buildings 13:10:20 <Patrick`> true, tunnels have space issues 13:10:30 <Vornicus> I build bridges but only when I can afford the one that allows faster than the fastest available train. 13:10:48 <Patrick`> I just don't like them in general 13:10:55 <C-Otto> is there a way to convert to whole map to maglev? 13:10:56 <Patrick`> too many limitations 13:11:02 <Patrick`> C-Otto: not the trains, no 13:11:05 <C-Otto> i have about 300 trains, so it's a bit annoying to do this by hand 13:11:13 <C-Otto> Patrick`: what would be the best way then? 13:11:16 <Vornicus> C-Otto: first you must get rid of the trains. 13:11:26 <Patrick`> autoconversion of trains was seen as the equivalent of a "play ottd for me" button 13:11:31 <Patrick`> delete all your trains. 13:11:32 <C-Otto> Vornicus: can i keep the schedules? 13:11:39 <Vornicus> Sadly no. 13:11:39 <Patrick`> delete all your trains. 13:11:42 <C-Otto> Patrick`: hmm. 13:11:49 <C-Otto> then i stick with the asia star. 13:11:52 <Vornicus> You must delete all your trains... 13:11:53 <Patrick`> then get a viewport to the top-right and one to the bottom-left 13:11:58 <Vornicus> and then you must... yeah. 13:12:03 <Patrick`> and drag-convert to maglev the ENTIRE MAP 13:12:06 <Patrick`> it was awesome when I did it 13:12:12 <C-Otto> Patrick`: sounds good 13:12:18 <Vornicus> the northernmost and southernmost corners, then convert to maglev from the upper viewport to the lower one. 13:12:21 <Patrick`> then, you get to start all over again, but instead of building track, just add trains! 13:12:26 <black_Nightmare> ok deleted two buildings (the Dunding Central bus station was getting way too many passengers anyhow) and finally got a tunnel in 13:12:31 <black_Nightmare> thanks a lot ^_^ 13:12:32 <C-Otto> okay. 13:12:43 <Patrick`> and go straight to maglev chimeras 13:12:51 <Patrick`> upgrading *again* will be a royal asspain 13:12:57 <C-Otto> why? 13:13:03 <Patrick`> oh, right, autoreplace 13:13:03 *** Aankh|Clone is now known as Aankhen`` 13:13:06 <Patrick`> disregard that 13:13:06 <C-Otto> right. 13:13:19 <black_Nightmare> http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nelsonco25thoct19716cu.png wheeee ^_^ (had to relocate the bus depot yeah) 13:13:23 <C-Otto> btw, i need some advice regarding depots 13:13:31 <Jang-> one of the most fun bit of the game is to redo the whole network to a new design with maglev 13:13:32 <Patrick`> shoot 13:13:37 <Patrick`> Jang-: yeah 13:13:49 <C-Otto> i noticed trains only go to depots on schedule when they see it on their way, so i have to add them on my main line (or somewhere else where they go) 13:13:51 <Patrick`> I had my train coal siphon, then I started in a different bit of the map with maglev 13:13:58 <Patrick`> and eventually decomissioned it 13:14:03 <C-Otto> this of course introduces problems to the trains that have to wait for the one that enters and leaves the depot 13:14:12 <Patrick`> C-Otto: trains automatically going to a depot is just crap 13:14:15 <C-Otto> so what do you think is the best way to signal the alternating track? 13:14:20 <Patrick`> give them a waypoint at a depot 13:14:23 <C-Otto> Patrick`: i mean after 180 days 13:14:33 <C-Otto> waypoint, hm. 13:14:37 <Patrick`> turn that off and just manually give them waypoints 13:14:45 <Patrick`> you can order a train to go specifically to a specific depot 13:14:47 * Vornicus eyes the image black_nightmare showed. 13:14:50 <Vornicus> ...insanity. 13:14:51 <Patrick`> say, at the entrance to the pickup station 13:14:56 <Tron> Patrick`: s/waypoint/order/ ? 13:15:02 <Patrick`> Tron: indeed 13:15:04 <Patrick`> give it an order 13:15:08 <C-Otto> sounds good 13:15:12 <black_Nightmare> c-otto...heh I've never had a problem with traffic as long as I built the busy depot onto a wye from the mainline and signal it for forced service 13:15:20 <Patrick`> personally I just turn off breakages 13:15:28 <C-Otto> :) 13:15:29 <Patrick`> lame but I hate to micromanage 13:15:38 <black_Nightmare> but on slow/single-train routes I just slap the depot near platform ends and not bother with signals 13:15:56 <Patrick`> forced servicing is only good for me when I want to upgrade 13:16:01 <Celestar> Patrick`: bah, bumping that signal gui is difficult 13:16:12 <Patrick`> yeah, sorry it's 1000 revisions old 13:16:20 <Celestar> 950 :) 13:16:21 <peter1138> hmm, maybe it's only one item for one language... 13:16:26 <Patrick`> hacky might have continued to update it but I wasn't about 13:16:38 <black_Nightmare> patrick..actually I used forced service on busy line because that way I don't risk a breakdown almost at all :p 13:16:51 <Patrick`> black_Nightmare: see, this is why I just turn them off 13:16:53 <Patrick`> much nicer 13:16:55 <black_Nightmare> on slow/lonely routes I don't mind if something breaks down so I don't bother force-service them 13:16:59 <Patrick`> peter1138: fix acceleration prod 13:17:05 <Patrick`> I think it's peter, might be luca 13:17:13 <black_Nightmare> patrick...but real train do not never-breakdown :)) heh to our own 13:17:29 <Patrick`> black_Nightmare: yes, but real trains don't take 6 months to get to the destination 13:17:32 <Patrick`> etc etc etc 13:17:40 <Patrick`> to me, ottd is like lego 13:17:48 <peter1138> :) 13:17:51 <black_Nightmare> patrick....you using a small engine on long route? 13:17:59 <Patrick`> not a "realistic construction site simulator" 13:18:05 <Patrick`> black_Nightmare: lev4's, why? 13:18:13 <Patrick`> 2048 map, plus queueing at a coal station entrance 13:18:21 <Patrick`> bam, 1 year transit time 13:18:25 <black_Nightmare> 2048 .. that figures 13:18:28 <black_Nightmare> :p 13:18:36 <Patrick`> yeah, I don't like to get tied down 13:18:47 <Patrick`> my autosave folder is bigger than a full install of quake 1, go figure 13:19:10 <black_Nightmare> I think transport tycoon's date isn't quite synched with the vehicles movement at all 13:19:16 <Jang-> is it me, or has the font in openttd changed? 13:19:17 <Patrick`> duh. 13:19:19 <black_Nightmare> it doesn't take 2 days just to go a few tiles 13:19:24 <Jang-> maybe i just haven't played it for months 13:19:46 <black_Nightmare> so patrick..its not really '6 months' ;) 13:19:46 <black_Nightmare> heh 13:19:47 <peter1138> Jang-: it's you 13:20:01 <Jang-> maybe it just looks weird on this screen 13:20:09 <peter1138> can do 13:22:49 <Celestar> DarkSSH: ping 13:26:57 <Celestar> Patrick`: at rev 3172 13:29:55 <Patrick`> Celestar: in terms of porting it forward? 13:29:58 <Celestar> yes 13:30:02 <Patrick`> cool 13:30:15 <Patrick`> I wish there was some way I could repay the community 13:30:21 <Patrick`> that isn't beer 13:30:33 <Celestar> beer is fine :P 13:31:21 <CIA-5> tron * r4086 /trunk/ (industry_cmd.c industry_map.h): Add MakeIndustry() 13:33:18 <Celestar> Patrick`: it's getting slower than hoped :/ 13:33:23 <Celestar> 3200 13:34:39 <Celestar> :o 13:34:40 <Celestar> 3400 13:39:12 <Patrick`> he said 13:39:31 <Celestar> 3465 13:39:34 <Patrick`> I'm cheering on the inside 13:39:40 <Patrick`> (public computer lab) 13:39:46 <Celestar> lol 13:40:25 <Patrick`> also I have a rampaging cold that's adversely affecting my neurochemistry 13:40:36 <DarkSSH> Celestar: soon, curr.workload = dangerous; 13:40:48 <Celestar> DarkSSH: nah. elrails is finished on my part :) 13:41:13 <Patrick`> there must be some use python can be 13:41:19 <Patrick`> since it's all I'm good for 13:42:08 <Celestar> bah problem 13:43:32 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc2-shep3-4-0-cust174.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:45:43 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:46:06 <Celestar> DarkSSH: what was the reason that we didn'T include the signal GUI patch? 13:46:08 *** Belugas [n=jfranc@ip-222.85.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:48 <CIA-5> tron * r4087 /trunk/ (industry_cmd.c industry_map.h): Add IsIndustryCompleted() to check if a industry tile is fully built 13:47:06 <DarkSSH> Celestar: I mean for me 13:47:18 <Celestar> DarkSSH: oh :( 13:48:09 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:48:35 *** Belugas [n=jfranc@ip-222.85.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:48:46 <Celestar> DarkSSH: then curr.workspeed = MAX so that curr.workload = normal soon. 13:50:18 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:26 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:50:58 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 13:52:01 <DarkSSH> Celestar: doesn't help 13:52:08 <Celestar> DarkSSH: sucks 13:52:10 <DarkSSH> Celestar: if i work faster I'll get more workload faster 13:52:58 * Tron turns DarkSSH off for safety reasons 13:54:02 <Celestar> once again, waht's the deal with the signal gui? 13:54:59 <DarkSSH> hehe, you are mindful Tron :) 14:03:26 *** sijmen [n=sijmen@h45058.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:04:08 <sijmen> I've been searching around the wiki, manual, and forum, but haven't been able to find out; where can I still legally obtain the TTD data files? 14:04:51 <Celestar> by purchasing the game. 14:05:09 <sijmen> Yeah, but where is it still sold? Can't find anything here in the Netherlands 14:05:14 <sijmen> Can I buy it online somehwere? 14:05:35 <Celestar> one might say that it is legal to obtain the files otherwise if no other option exists. 14:06:00 <Jang-> nah, still illegal, but people turn a blind eye 14:06:28 <Celestar> well. that's debate 14:06:30 <Celestar> able 14:08:04 <sijmen> Well, I'd like to purchase it, even if it's "just because". But I've been searching Amazon, Play,com, Bol.com and haven't found anything. 14:08:18 <sijmen> It doesn't work with the shareware files, correct? 14:15:13 <black_Nightmare> just wondering but the 'metropolitan airport' and 'international airport' .. like what year do they appear in? (if I'm guessing correct that one or both of these have two runaways heh) 14:17:23 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:17:59 <peter1138> 1980 and 1990 14:19:25 <black_Nightmare> hmm 5 more years to go heh 14:20:28 <black_Nightmare> like the 2-runaways idea (I saw it on the main screen) ... I sometimes had enough problem with more than 2 airplanes on one route .. sometimes you end up having like 3 to 5 planes on one single busy airport and its no fun seeing many of them keep going in circle in air ^_^ 14:23:37 <Celestar> Patrick`: challenge ... 14:24:11 <black_Nightmare> .......shit....... two plane crashes in only one year.... *sigh* ... only if I could fire whoever these pilots were 14:24:52 <Celestar> you buying the wrong planes :P 14:26:14 <Celestar> Patrick`: rev 3700 14:26:27 <black_Nightmare> celestar.....yeah? these are 95-98% relaibility ones 14:26:37 <black_Nightmare> or did you meant their size in comparasion to the airports? 14:26:38 <black_Nightmare> :p 14:26:43 <Celestar> the ":P" indicates me kidding 14:26:49 <black_Nightmare> hehe 14:27:10 <black_Nightmare> celestar....trains crashing head on would be something different: USER'S FAULT! :)) 14:29:11 <Celestar> ^^ 14:29:26 <peter1138> what goes up, must come down 14:29:29 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7E9F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:29:31 <peter1138> at least, if it's heavier than air... 14:30:06 <black_Nightmare> peter...very funny 14:32:19 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:32:22 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 14:36:34 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36FC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:45:52 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 14:48:23 <black_Nightmare> hmmm.....feck it again...lol....how the hell to get through this slope.......brb 14:52:29 <Jang-> black_Nightmare: i think the pilots have already been fired 14:52:34 <Jang-> literally tho 14:52:39 <Jang-> and smoked too 14:52:51 <Jang-> perhaps fried might be better than fired 14:53:04 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 14:53:06 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 14:53:55 <Belugas> good day :) 14:54:15 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-50131.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 14:55:02 <black_Nightmare> jang...hehe good one but sadly I got yet another plane crash...weird 14:55:22 <peter1138> using large planes on small airports? 14:55:26 <black_Nightmare> trying to push trains through the difficult mountain now...hopefully the trains would remove need for airport now 14:55:57 <black_Nightmare> peter..you think? they were running just fine for several months.... they're Bakewell Luckett LB-9's 14:56:18 <black_Nightmare> anyway...brb..need to make up some mountain climbing trains :p 14:57:26 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36FC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:58:31 <KUDr_wrk> [12:00:13] <Celestar> KUDr: you there? <- now I am 14:59:43 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: how is progress? 14:59:58 <KUDr_wrk> not much 15:00:03 <Celestar> :( 15:00:09 <KUDr_wrk> we have big boss here 15:00:13 <peter1138> :( 15:00:17 <peter1138> damn those bosses 15:00:23 <peter1138> DarkSSH: opinions on the revised edition? 15:00:39 <KUDr_wrk> do you need something? 15:01:26 <black_Nightmare> one mail car.. four coaches ... and a 4000hp engine = 284ton train .. still keeps going full speed up the looong slope... fun :p 15:01:27 <peter1138> yes, PBS :) 15:01:36 <KUDr_wrk> peter1138: you had some problems integrating C++ modules into ottd? 15:01:46 <peter1138> KUDr_wrk: nope 15:01:59 <peter1138> KUDr_wrk: well, i needed to add a couple of typecasts, but nothing else 15:02:06 <KUDr_wrk> ok 15:03:25 <peter1138> using gcc though, i've not tried with ms vs 15:03:43 <KUDr_wrk> it will be similar 15:05:40 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 15:05:44 <MeusH> hello 15:05:48 <MeusH> hey Bjarni 15:05:49 <peter1138> code wise, yeah 15:06:00 * MeusH pings tHe MiHaMiX 15:07:50 <C-Otto> how do i replace maglev1 to maglev2? 15:07:59 <C-Otto> the replace-menu only shows the old (non-existing) trains 15:08:23 <glx> dropdown in bottom of window 15:09:02 <C-Otto> ah! 15:09:03 <C-Otto> blind 15:09:03 <C-Otto> thanks :> 15:11:02 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:12:52 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B822CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 15:14:16 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 15:14:53 * peter1138 tries compiling with vs2003 15:17:02 <peter1138> hah, it fails 15:18:19 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:19:00 <peter1138> maybe if i tell it to compile it as c++ ... 15:19:35 <KUDr_wrk> yes, it can help :) 15:20:30 <peter1138> forgot that the makefile magically knows that .cpp is c++ and .c is c :P 15:20:58 <KUDr_wrk> VC knows it too, but ottd project sets C as default 15:21:06 <KUDr_wrk> I don't know why 15:21:06 <peter1138> still doesn't compile 15:21:17 <peter1138> probably cos it's mostly all c 15:21:21 <KUDr_wrk> what it tells? 15:21:44 <peter1138> complaining of class/struct differences . hmm. 15:21:49 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:22:22 <KUDr_wrk> hmm 15:22:39 * peter1138 changes a header file 15:22:39 <KUDr_wrk> don't remember such messages 15:23:05 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACC8DCE9.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 15:23:29 <peter1138> well, this is my horribly bad code, so... 15:24:01 <KUDr_wrk> bad code? it looked good from your diff 15:24:20 <CIA-5> celestar * r4088 /trunk/ (road_cmd.c road_map.h train_cmd.c): -Codechange: Introduce {Unb,B}arCrossing and IsCrossingBarred to put and get the status of a level crossing 15:25:09 <peter1138> well, bad mixing of c/c++ probably 15:25:29 *** ^Cartman [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7993.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 15:25:45 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 15:26:59 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! Whats going on with the 2cc? :o 15:27:43 <peter1138> ... 15:28:10 <SpComb> something perverse and cannibalistic 15:28:50 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 15:29:01 <Born_Acorn> I saw those wonderful GUI shots and have seen nothing since! 15:29:47 <peter1138> ttp://195.112.37.102/ottd/2cc5.png <-- that one? 15:30:06 <Born_Acorn> Thats not a good link! 15:30:19 <^Cartman> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/2cc5.png 15:30:21 <Celestar> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/2cc5.png 15:30:24 <^Cartman> :P 15:30:36 <Born_Acorn> Yes, that one! 15:30:40 <KUDr_wrk> :) 15:31:01 <^Cartman> That is for OpenTTD, right? 15:31:20 <Born_Acorn> Yes. 15:31:26 <^Cartman> Nice 15:31:30 *** RoySmeding_ [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:43 <Born_Acorn> Can't you tell by the fact the junctions don't have PBS? 15:31:46 <Born_Acorn> :p 15:31:55 <^Cartman> Bah, I am waiting for ^Cartman^'s timeout :P 15:33:25 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! Is there any progress with it, though? 15:33:31 <peter1138> yes 15:33:33 <peter1138> i made it wider 15:33:42 <peter1138> to fit languages other than english 15:33:48 <Born_Acorn> cool 15:33:49 <Born_Acorn> Does it work in the game? 15:34:18 <Born_Acorn> Because if it does, put out some binaries! 15:34:52 <Born_Acorn> Because if you don't I will eat. your. cat. 15:35:38 *** tokai|ni is now known as tokai|tv 15:35:51 <peter1138> o_O 15:35:55 <peter1138> of course it works 15:36:38 <Born_Acorn> then put out some binaries! :p 15:36:51 <Born_Acorn> Singaporekid will be obliged to dance 15:39:59 *** init [n=init@dhcp-221-137.pdc.kth.se] has quit ["leaving"] 15:42:16 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7993.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:43:59 <peter1138> heh 15:44:01 <peter1138> i killed it 15:44:27 <MeusH> you killed Singaporekid? 15:44:30 * MeusH runs 15:44:35 <MeusH> away, of course 15:45:37 *** Brianetta [n=c3bc7c32@sarah.ppcis.org] has joined #OpenTTD 15:45:45 * peter1138 accidentally applies 2ccgui7 and starts vs2003 again 15:45:53 * peter1138 buildifies 15:46:00 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 15:46:11 * Brianetta is using his web IRC thingummybob 15:46:22 <peter1138> you poor thing 15:46:25 <Brianetta> Yeah 15:46:33 <Brianetta> I have to go to the vet tonight 15:46:43 <Brianetta> One of our rats has developed another fault 15:46:57 <Brianetta> We've only got one fully-functional rat 16:00:10 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [n=Qrr@p54A7E9F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:28 *** ^Cartman is now known as ^Cartman^ 16:01:04 <Brianetta> frogbanibbleschnibb 16:01:32 <Celestar> ~...~...if (++m5 == 50+1) 16:01:42 <Celestar> now whats the bright idea behind this? 16:01:47 <Brianetta> wulriplatzmongertink. 16:02:21 <Brianetta> magic numbers are lame. 16:02:36 <glx> context may help 16:02:55 <Brianetta> nah 16:02:58 <Vornicus> what drugs is that on? 16:03:00 <Brianetta> 50+1 is a bit sad 16:03:12 <CIA-5> belugas * r4089 /trunk/ (openttd.dsp openttd.vcproj pathfind.h): CodeChange : Create Map Accessors Group in MS WorkSpace, arrange VCProject. Remove warning on FindLengthOfTunnel, uint is not DiagDirection 16:03:56 <Celestar> glx: you don't need a context. m5++ == 50 would do this as well ... 16:03:58 <Brianetta> This web IRC client doesn't scroll the page up after the conversation reaches the bottom of its frame ): 16:04:03 <Brianetta> At least, not in this browser 16:04:25 <Brianetta> Well, I have to go take the rat to be repaired 16:04:34 <Brianetta> see you all later. 16:04:39 *** Brianetta [n=c3bc7c32@sarah.ppcis.org] has left #OpenTTD [] 16:10:17 * peter1138 stabs Born_Acorn with a blunt stabby thing 16:14:14 *** glx|away [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:15 <Born_Acorn> sorry master! 16:18:46 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7E9F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:24:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... 16:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> video/win32_v.c: In function `TrackMouseTimerProc': 16:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> video/win32_v.c:205: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break stric 16:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> t-aliasing rules 16:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> (i just checked out the latest elrails) 16:25:09 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:25:23 *** glx|away is now known as glx 16:25:31 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: that obviously has little to do with elrails ;) 16:25:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes... i figured ;) 16:26:45 <Celestar> ok I'm off. 16:26:56 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:27:02 <Celestar> peter1138: I hope "we" will figure out the elrail problem ;) 16:27:10 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 16:27:55 *** stefan is now known as stefan__ 16:27:59 *** stefan__ is now known as stefan 16:29:42 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36FC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:31:06 <peter1138> DarkSSH: r4075 16:31:11 <peter1138> printf("enter"); 16:31:17 <peter1138> er, with a \n 16:31:29 <peter1138> maybe you wanted to remove that first ;p 16:31:56 <Aankhen``> Wanna be efficient? Use this: printf("%s", "enter"); 16:32:01 <Aankhen``> :-D 16:34:26 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B822CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:46:37 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B822CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 16:57:43 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 16:57:52 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|feeding 16:58:44 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 17:00:59 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r4090 /trunk/video/sdl_v.c: - Followup for r4075. Some SDL implementations seem to have a different define for the SDL_ACTIVEEVENT SDL_APPMOUSEFOCUS which caused undrawing of the mouse only on losing input-focus. Correctly check for the event state 17:01:39 <Bjarni> Tobin: ping 17:11:02 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B822CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:12:57 * peter1138 prods DarkSSH 17:13:58 <Vornicus> resistance is useless, it is useless to resist it. 17:14:24 *** guru3-mobile [n=g3-m@host-128-197.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:14:26 <Vornicus> His cigarette is burning, but he never seems to ash. 17:15:02 <Bjarni> anybody here with an Intel mac? 17:15:09 <guru3-mobile> no one is ever on when you actually want to talk :( 17:15:37 <Vornicus> I don't think I know anyone with such a creature. 17:16:01 <Bjarni> Tobin: show yourself... you are really needed now 17:16:21 *** guru3-mobile [n=g3-m@host-128-197.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit ["hells bells"] 17:18:13 <Bjarni> hmm, actually I think the local time is around a quarter past 5 at Tobin's 17:18:22 <Bjarni> that might explain his lack of replies :p 17:23:59 *** Jang- [n=Jango@mettab.demon.co.uk] has quit ["Using KVIrc 3.0.1 'System Virtue'"] 17:24:19 <Bjarni> oh I was wrong 17:24:30 <Bjarni> it's 04:23 now at his place 17:25:48 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [n=Qrr@p54A7E9F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://mir.ist-langweilig.de/oh_man.jpg/"] 17:26:04 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-50131.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:27:06 *** RoySmeding_ is now known as RoySmeding 17:30:04 *** johnny83 [n=chatzill@P64d7.p.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 17:31:02 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:37:41 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D517.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 17:39:55 <DarkSSH> he sorry 17:40:05 <DarkSSH> I'll be away for most of the night today 17:40:11 <DarkSSH> back around 11 orso? 17:40:58 *** Xeryus|feeding is now known as XeryusTC 17:40:59 <DarkSSH> there 17:41:05 <DarkSSH> see you 17:41:06 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r4091 /trunk/video/win32_v.c: - Fix r4075. Do not "enter" please. 17:41:46 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:44:51 <Bjarni> bye DarkSSH 17:45:00 <Bjarni> see you after sunset 17:46:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B7388F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:46:12 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 17:46:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B7388F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:53:08 *** e1ko [n=31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:53:40 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:53:58 *** Angst [n=Angst@p5494710C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:22 <Vornicus> Do not "enter"? 18:06:29 <hylje> do not "enter". 18:07:17 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:08:24 <MiHaMiX> Vornicus: there were some debug 18:08:49 <MiHaMiX> Vornicus: debug was 'enter', and DV just removed it 18:08:55 <sijmen> I like this game. But as soon as the AI gets in, het comes and terraforms the entire landscape, making it impossible to lay out a nice track 18:08:58 <sijmen> Any solutions? 18:09:15 *** johnny83 [n=chatzill@P64d7.p.pppool.de] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 18:10:13 <CobraA1> Hey, I've got some ideas to improve OpenTTD, but they require distance/time/speed calculations - what are the units used in OpenTTD, so I can use them for my calculations? 18:10:47 <Vornicus> I... um. see. 18:10:57 <MiHaMiX> sijmen: disable AI ? 18:11:00 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@200.50.1.154] has joined #openttd 18:11:12 <Vornicus> I think most people play without the AI. 18:11:18 <sijmen> Okay. 18:11:23 <Vornicus> Seeing as the AI is unmitigated crap. 18:11:50 <sijmen> And I still haven't been able to find out how signs and such work, and when to use busses or trains or airplanes.. is there some guide explaining this all? 18:12:11 <Vornicus> Buses are mainly for passenger and mail transport within cities, to help the city grow. 18:12:15 <CobraA1> Yeah, most of us play SimCity style, where we just build a transportation system with no competition. 18:12:20 <Vornicus> Trains are good for just about everything. 18:13:01 <Vornicus> Boats, well, you need boats for offshore oil rigs, but other than that you should probably avoid them. With their huge cargo size and low speed, they tend to be somewhat wasteful. 18:13:16 <Vornicus> And planes are for very long distance passenger transport. 18:13:23 <sijmen> Okay, great. 18:14:46 <sijmen> And what factory type generates wood? 18:14:49 <Vornicus> Forests. 18:14:59 <Vornicus> They're densely packed evergreen forests. 18:15:29 <sijmen> Okay. 18:15:43 <Vornicus> At least in standard and arctic. I believe there's wood in tropical, but I don't remember what it looks like. 18:15:47 <Prof_Frink> Vornicus: You don't *need* ships for rigs 18:15:56 <Prof_Frink> Not if you have enough money, anyway 18:16:10 <hylje> tropical tileset needs lumber mills for wood 18:16:13 <Vornicus> no, you don't, but it's more cost-effective than terraforming all the way out there. 18:16:16 <Prof_Frink> Tropic wood is an interesting one 18:16:17 <hylje> and those are quite expensive 18:16:32 <CobraA1> Hey, I've got some ideas to improve aircraft, but they require distance/time/speed calculations - anybody know what are the units are in OpenTTD, so I can use them for my calculations? 18:16:36 <Prof_Frink> And you need to replant the rainforest for them 18:16:46 <CIA-5> belugas * r4092 /trunk/ (8 files in 2 dirs): CodeChange : Named sprites instead of magic numbers plus create/use helper macro/enum for recoloring scheme 18:16:49 <Prof_Frink> CobraA1: furlongs/firking 18:16:52 <Prof_Frink> gah 18:16:57 <Prof_Frink> CobraA1: furlongs/firkins/fortnights 18:17:09 <CobraA1> ha ha 18:17:44 <hylje> furbolg 18:18:29 <CobraA1> I just want to know if I need to do any conversions, actually. 18:20:34 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 18:21:11 <CobraA1> ok, let's say I want my aircraft, say, 5 seconds apart - what is 5 seconds in OpenTTD's units? 18:21:24 <Vornicus> 150 ticks 18:21:42 <Vornicus> 1 tick is 1/75 day or 1/30 second 18:21:53 <CobraA1> k, thanks. 18:22:28 <Vornicus> 1/74 actually, I think, which is kinda random, but. 18:22:58 <Vornicus> I'm not exactly sure what the units are for distance though. 18:23:34 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176118089.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 18:23:47 <CobraA1> I think I can look at my already existing code for distance stuff - I think I did some distance stuff when creating my queueing patch. 18:24:38 <Vornicus> but the normal climbable slope is 20% grade, and the non-climbable slope is about 28% grade. 18:26:18 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-203-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:56 <Belugas> Is there anyone speaking finnish here? We may need your expertise 18:32:38 <SpComb> finnish! 18:32:56 * SpComb does speak finnish 18:33:43 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 18:38:32 <peter1138> tronicus 18:40:49 *** TrueLight [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:41:29 <peter1138> truelighticus 18:41:41 <Prof_Frink> peter1138icus 18:41:53 *** Coder`TuX [n=codertux@85.204.17.98] has joined #openttd 18:41:55 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:42:00 <sijmen> What to do when a train crashes? 18:42:14 <Bjarni> <CobraA1> Hey, I've got some ideas to improve OpenTTD, but they require distance/time/speed calculations - what are the units used in OpenTTD, so I can use them for my calculations? <-- the answer is not what you want to hear: the game is "not to scale" ;) 18:42:31 <glx> sijmen: wait until track is cleared 18:42:32 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36309.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:42:39 <sijmen> Uhm.. okay. 18:42:55 <Bjarni> * SpComb does speak finnish <-- but not English. Languages are written with capital letters in English 18:43:04 <Vornicus> how on earth did you manage to get a train to crash? 18:43:16 <Bjarni> that's simple 18:43:21 <CobraA1> Bjarni: I think I have enough to work with now. 18:43:21 <SpComb> one can't be perfect 18:43:22 <Bjarni> hit the ignore signal button 18:43:33 <Vornicus> point. 18:43:38 <sijmen> The signs weren't layed out very well, two trains were standing at both sides of the sign. 18:43:52 <Bjarni> sign => signal ? 18:43:55 <sijmen> Then I clicked the red light button for one of the trains... 18:43:58 <sijmen> Yes, signal. 18:44:16 <Vornicus> ... 18:44:18 <Vornicus> smooth. 18:46:38 * Bjarni wonders how long it will take Tobin to get to his computer 18:46:46 <Bjarni> it's 5:46 at his place now 18:47:07 <Bjarni> stupid Australians, sleeping all day :s 18:47:12 <CobraA1> lol 18:47:55 <Bjarni> maybe the solution would be to find somebody with an Intel mac a bit closer, but I failed in doing so.... 18:48:08 <sijmen> Bjarni, I know some. 18:48:31 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7993.bb.online.no] has quit ["Que?"] 18:48:35 <sijmen> And thanks to the ones who did the Mac version. Excelent job! 18:48:54 <Bjarni> that would be me 18:48:58 <Vornicus> Thank Bjarni and Egladil for that one. 18:49:13 <sijmen> Bjarni, egladil: Thanks a deal! 18:49:52 <Bjarni> Vornicus: actually I'm pretty sure that 0.4.5 was the first release that contains code written by egladil, while I wrote the actual port for 0.1.4 18:50:04 *** syf [i=syf@n28z21l50.broadband.ctm.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:50:16 <Vornicus> aha 18:50:18 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:50:27 <Bjarni> egladil did a great job on the cocoa video driver, but he didn't really port the game 18:50:36 <peter1138> heh 18:50:42 *** TrueLight is now known as TL|Away 18:50:45 <egladil> Bjarni: i certainly hope it was, otherwise somebody must have hacked my computer and stolen random code from me 18:51:01 <Vornicus> *snrk* 18:51:06 <Bjarni> err 18:51:18 <Bjarni> egladil: you detected my hack??? 18:51:36 <peter1138> what's the ottd character for cubed? heh 18:51:46 <Bjarni> cubed? 18:52:02 <Bjarni> you mean some sort of square char? 18:52:10 <Vornicus> you mean the superscript 3? 18:52:35 <peter1138> Vornicus: yes 18:52:45 <SpComb> ³ 18:52:48 <Vornicus> 0xB3 is the correct character in Unicode. 18:52:50 <peter1138> yeah 18:52:57 <peter1138> but we're not :-) 18:52:59 <egladil> Bjarni: no, but it makes sense if it were you who put random code in ottd :) 18:53:04 <Bjarni> are you sure we got it in OTTD? 18:53:06 <Vornicus> That's UTF-8 C2 B3. 18:53:06 <SpComb> ²³²³²³²³²³ 18:53:19 <Vornicus> And it's also B3 in latin 1, I think. 18:53:39 <Bjarni> egladil: actually TrueLight once told me to test random code 18:54:03 <Bjarni> he wondered why he got the same random map 3 times in a row, with the same town names and everything 18:54:41 <Bjarni> it turned out that he didn't use a random seed to make the map, but his local copy used a hardcoded one by accident :p 18:54:49 <Vornicus> not very random then. 18:54:49 <Bjarni> but it was a test of random code 18:55:49 <Bjarni> <sijmen> Bjarni, I know some. <-- you know somebody, who would like to test the newest build for Intel macs? 18:55:56 <peter1138> heh, it is the latin char for ottd 18:55:59 <Bjarni> preferable right now 18:56:01 <peter1138> looks a bit naff though 18:56:52 *** syf [i=syf@n28z20l218.broadband.ctm.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:36 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 18:57:41 <MeusH> hey MiHaMiX 18:57:50 <MeusH> hello Belugas 18:58:07 <Bjarni> hi MeusH 18:58:15 <MeusH> hi you too :) 18:58:16 <glx> peter1138: 594, 597, // ° ± ² ³ large <--small and medium should exist too but there are not commented 18:58:23 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:35 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: hey 18:58:49 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: SpamBlockList is usefull, you just need to use regexps 18:59:00 <MiHaMiX> s/full/ful/ 18:59:11 <Tron> glx: that's because they are already in the original graphics 18:59:12 <Belugas> Hello MeusH :) 18:59:33 <Tron> peter1138: ALTGR+3 or COMPOSE+^+3 should give you a superscripted 3 19:00:25 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:45 <Tron> peter1138: and make sure the editor you're using is configured to use ISO8859-15 19:01:11 <MeusH> How are you Belugas? 19:01:24 <MeusH> It's been a long time since we spoke last time 19:01:50 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: please define regexps 19:02:00 <MeusH> also, what happened to file uploading? 19:02:10 <MeusH> I'm sure Crazy Vaclav would like this feature back 19:02:12 <MeusH> and I need it 19:02:13 <Vornicus> regular expressions. 19:02:28 <Vornicus> A method of describing things to search for in text. 19:02:48 <MeusH> yeah, but the SpamBlackList needs to be tweaked 19:02:57 <MeusH> to work with regural expressions, not just domain names 19:03:04 <Belugas> I'm quite buzy @work, MeusH. And let say that out different timelines are not the same, which does not help :) 19:03:23 <glx> s/out/our 19:03:28 *** Coder`TuX [n=codertux@85.204.17.98] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:05:43 <sijmen> I don't seem to get these signals to work right 19:05:58 <sijmen> I can't share rail between different trains like this 19:06:24 <sijmen> Signals are red where I don't want them to be red e.d. 19:06:45 <sijmen> It would be great if I could just say that certain rails are this way only 19:06:59 <peter1138> use one-way signals... 19:06:59 <sijmen> So I could lay two rails, one for each direction. 19:07:06 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:07:41 <sijmen> One-way signals? I'll check those out. 19:08:37 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:08:51 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: so what's up with uploading files on the wiki? 19:09:18 <MeusH> oh, and there is a question to DarkSSH: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/OpenTTD_talk:Site_support#Site_Support_balancesheet 19:10:25 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.17.53] has quit ["Sleep [Time wasted online: 6hrs 33mins 21secs]"] 19:10:29 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 19:10:42 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: uploading files is working again. 19:12:07 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: hmm 19:12:10 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: lemme see 19:12:32 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: system has rights to write to upload dir 19:12:47 <Bjarni> MeusH: DarkSSH got a problem in watching that 19:13:20 <Bjarni> you see, he said he had to leave 19:14:03 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/siunits8.diff <-- comments, bugs, and improvements wanted 19:14:28 <Bjarni> peter1138: ok, I can send you some bugs if you really want to 19:14:36 <Bjarni> I don't know why you want them though 19:15:59 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: ok, file upload is working 19:16:25 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:16:32 <Bjarni> peter1138: I got one question: do you take into account that a metric HP is 736 W while an Imperial HP is 746 W? 19:16:40 <Bjarni> not that it matters much, but... 19:17:16 <Bjarni> it's actually a reason to why they display power output in kW, even for petrol/diesel engines 19:17:31 <Bjarni> W is always W, nomatter where you are in the world 19:17:45 <sijmen> How to build those one-way lights? 19:18:21 <MiHaMiX> sijmen: place a signal, then click on the signal 1 or 2 times 19:18:28 <Bjarni> "build" a signal on top of a signal you alreade have 19:18:29 <sijmen> Ah, okay. 19:18:33 <MiHaMiX> sijmen: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Signal_type_selection 19:19:08 <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: btw status for the translator? It appears that peter1138 is going to add a whole lot of strings 19:19:20 <Bjarni> and I don't want to translate all of them manually :s 19:19:36 <Tron> +STR_02E3_DISTANCE_UNITS :{BLACK}Game units <-- the string name is inappropriate, also i think something like "Measuring units" is more clear than "Game units" 19:20:01 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: nice, I'm looking forward to his commit :-) 19:20:08 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: the system will track the new strings 19:20:22 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: thanks, the uploading seems to work 19:20:36 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: but I regret to inform you that WT2 is not to be opened in this week 19:22:46 <Bjarni> STR_02E3_DISTANCE_UNITS <-- why 02E3? We don't need that and it looks silly, now that we are changing that string anyway we might as well get rid of it 19:23:31 <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: ok, well, we don't have to translate all of it quickly as I don't think we will add this patch to a release within the next few weeks 19:23:35 <MeusH> the hex number may somehow help in sorting, doesn't it? 19:23:44 <Bjarni> no 19:24:05 <MeusH> hmm 19:24:15 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: ok :) 19:24:21 <MeusH> <@Bjarni> you see, he said he had to leave <-- he left and he doesn't control the cash? 19:24:44 <MiHaMiX> bbl 19:25:27 <MeusH> hey MiHaMiX 19:25:32 <MeusH> remember that templates? 19:26:07 <MeusH> I'd like http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Template:Todo to be a small template, that puts article in "todo" category rather than visualizes something 19:26:30 <MeusH> I'm not sure, however, about text in this template 19:26:56 <Bjarni> I didn't say anything about cash? 19:27:02 <Bjarni> btw what cash??? 19:27:05 <Bjarni> cash for me? 19:27:07 <Bjarni> :) 19:27:23 <MeusH> no, cash people send to help OpenTTD project 19:27:41 <hylje> meush, you might want to rephrase that 19:27:49 <hylje> or not 19:27:53 <hylje> /me goes dyslexit 19:28:30 <Bjarni> hylje: you misspelled dyslexic 19:28:46 <Bjarni> but somehow I'm not surprised :p 19:29:59 <sijmen> I still don't know how to place these one way signals.. I've now got double track and two crosses, one at each side. 19:30:04 <sijmen> Where to palce the signals? 19:31:47 <MeusH> I meant cash that is being sent by various people, who want to help OpenTTD 19:32:17 <MiHaMiX> sijmen: use the wiki or owenrudge.net for hints 19:32:31 <sijmen> Okay, thanks 19:32:41 <Prof_Frink> or the ttd signalling guide 19:39:55 <Patrick`> back 19:40:53 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B822CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:45:00 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B822CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:45:57 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B822CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 19:47:35 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B822CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:50:49 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 19:56:15 * MiHaMiX refactoring some part of the WT2 code 19:58:09 <sijmen> Prof_Frink, I can't find the guide. Do you have a link? 19:59:04 <glx> [20:18:39] <MiHaMiX> sijmen: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Signal_type_selection 19:59:30 <C-Otto> http://home.c-otto.de/ttd.jpg 19:59:33 <C-Otto> <- proud! 20:00:15 <peter1138> nice 20:00:31 <Sionide> woah 20:01:48 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36309.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:02:22 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:03:26 <Sionide> sup roy 20:04:01 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 20:05:19 *** Coder`TuX [n=codertux@85.204.17.98] has joined #openttd 20:09:35 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-a.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit ["So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish"] 20:14:13 <RoySmeding> 'lo Sionide 20:14:18 <RoySmeding> my computer is broken :/ 20:14:22 <Sionide> erk 20:14:36 <RoySmeding> have to survive on this crappy Windows computer now 20:16:20 <peter1138> 19:19 <@Bjarni> peter1138: I got one question: do you take into account that a metric HP is 736 W while an Imperial HP is 746 W? 20:16:27 <peter1138> Bjarni: no, but i could 20:16:37 * Prof_Frink had to use Windows for some coursework until this morning 20:16:47 <guru3> ouch 20:17:09 <Prof_Frink> Cygwin makes it slightly less unusable 20:17:36 <Prof_Frink> and shelling into my libretto means I can have a working screen and irssi 20:19:48 *** neonox [n=Daimos@ip-80-226-229-183.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 20:19:57 *** XeryusTC [n=XeryusTC@217.123.34.28] has joined #openttd 20:22:15 *** SailorOrion [n=jd@82.139.240.143] has joined #openttd 20:22:18 <SailorOrion> BAH 20:22:26 <SailorOrion> I don't get an SSH connection to my server 20:22:39 *** SailorOrion is now known as Celestar|GSC 20:23:20 <Celestar|GSC> Tron: ping 20:27:38 <Celestar|GSC> is anyone here at all? :P 20:27:48 <peter1138> nop.. 20:27:49 <peter1138> damn 20:28:01 <Celestar|GSC> ah :) 20:29:26 <Celestar|GSC> whats new? 20:29:29 <neonox> hi 20:29:55 *** Celestar|GSC is now known as SailorOrion 20:31:14 *** SailorOrion [n=jd@82.139.240.143] has left #openttd ["Kopete 0.10.3 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 20:31:54 *** XeryusTC [n=XeryusTC@217.123.34.28] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:34:45 <Patrick`> my head hurts 20:35:55 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@217.123.34.28] has joined #openttd 20:38:18 <Bjarni> Patrick`: then stop drinking all the time 20:39:27 <Bjarni> I just read on a news site that they released google mars and read the replies. People quickly went into wanting google moon so they can proof that the moon landings were faked and they flame the single guy, who believe that they are real 20:39:52 <Bjarni> then one guy said something about that it was about mars and he were ignored :D 20:40:29 <Sionide> heh 20:42:28 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 20:43:05 <MeusH> southern regions of mars look like a chockolade 20:45:07 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:45:53 <Patrick`> google moon actually exists 20:46:26 <MeusH> yeah, I know :) 20:46:36 <MeusH> I like their max-zoom easter egg 20:47:00 <Bjarni> which is? 20:47:31 <Bjarni> a pic of cheese? 20:47:37 <Patrick`> yep 20:47:47 <peter1138> Bjarni: i renamed all the strings, just for you ;) 20:49:55 <angerman> so it's not good to have a train transport some oil over a year? damn... and I though I would earn massive ... 20:50:05 <angerman> just because the distance was twice the map... 20:50:20 <Bjarni> nice 20:50:21 <peter1138> how can it the distance be twice the map? 20:50:24 <peter1138> -it 20:50:25 <angerman> it's still profitable.. 20:50:35 <angerman> well the oilrig and the rafinary are next to each other 20:50:36 *** Mek [i=marijn@82.75.184.247] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:50:49 <Prof_Frink> angerman: it's displacement that counts 20:51:05 <angerman> that's what I thought... 20:51:11 <Patrick`> lol 20:51:13 <angerman> but in that case why am I profitable? 20:51:47 <angerman> and actually having tons of trains running on those trains result in some neat income too... 20:51:50 <Patrick`> barely profitable. 20:52:03 <Patrick`> how much does each train make *per load* 20:52:06 <angerman> hmmm some 20k 20:52:15 <Patrick`> hahahahaahahahHHAAHAHAHAHAHahahahaHAHAHAHAHAH 20:52:16 <Patrick`> that's shit 20:52:21 <angerman> NO! 20:52:26 <angerman> for that distance it's cool 20:52:28 <Patrick`> I get 200k/train for my oil and it only goes 1000 tiles 20:52:35 <angerman> and I got cash to throw out the window anyway... 20:52:52 <angerman> Patrick`: I'm only with train + four tanks 20:53:15 <Patrick`> so? 20:53:18 <Patrick`> I'm on 6 tanks 20:53:19 <MeusH> "well the oilrig and the rafinary are next to each other" <-- distance between industries matters, not distance travelled by vehicle 20:54:23 <DarkSSH> 'ello 20:54:23 * angerman is amused seeing all those yellow oil trains rushing into his backbone and annoying the coal trains 20:55:22 <Bjarni> hi DarkSSH 20:55:57 *** e1ko [n=31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 20:56:01 <DarkSSH> hmm, let's say we were leading 1-0 20:56:09 <DarkSSH> I'd like to keep it at that 20:57:47 <peter1138> evenininining 20:58:25 <Vornicus> manhattan distance between that stations, actually, is the correct measure. 20:59:01 <Belugas> Hello DarkSSH sir 20:59:19 <Vornicus> So you can have industries right next to each other, but still make more money than that because of distance between the stations serving the industries. 20:59:46 <Vornicus> Indeed, if it weren't for a single line, you could make money moving stuff between two stations serving a single bank. 21:00:30 <Vornicus> (if you're on standard, valuables that move less than 10 squares don't pay anything) 21:01:58 <DarkSSH> <-- outa for 30 mins, watching Futurama 21:02:01 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:02:30 <Prof_Frink> Vornicus: For full accuracy isn't it s/stations/station signs/ ? 21:06:20 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 21:07:15 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 21:07:20 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:07:29 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 21:07:35 *** TL|Away is now known as TrueLight 21:07:39 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:07:52 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:08:29 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B73E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:34 <peter1138> oh god 21:08:41 <peter1138> my missus is singing along to kate bush 21:08:47 <Qball> who died? 21:08:53 <MiHaMiX> Qball: hi :) 21:08:55 <Qball> peter1138: that's bad 21:09:06 <Qball> hi MiHaMiX 21:09:25 <Bjarni> !whatis kate bush 21:09:27 <peter1138> kate bash has an amazing voice and range 21:09:27 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> No match. 21:09:35 <peter1138> my missus doesn't... 21:09:40 <Bjarni> hehe 21:09:48 <Bjarni> !whatis missus 21:09:48 <Qball> kate bash? 21:09:50 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> missus n : informal term of address for someone's wife 21:10:18 <Bjarni> peter1138 is married o_O 21:10:39 <Qball> with somebody who hums along with miss Bush 21:10:39 <Bjarni> peter1138 is living a secret life in the real world 21:10:41 <Qball> can't be good 21:11:00 <Qball> yeah, he is living a life, not much of us can say that. 21:11:03 <Bjarni> peter1138: stop that. The real world is a scary place and is not good for you 21:11:25 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: 'Real' world? 21:11:29 <Prof_Frink> Whassat then? 21:11:50 <Bjarni> some imaginary place that some people made up 21:11:58 <Bjarni> just like hell 21:11:59 <Prof_Frink> Oh, OK 21:12:08 * Prof_Frink shall steer well clear 21:12:14 <Prof_Frink> Thanks for the warning 21:13:08 <Bjarni> I didn't figure out what kate bush is, but anything named something containing bush is either really bad or good 21:13:23 <peter1138> Bjarni: *who* not what :P 21:13:46 <Bjarni> it's what if it is the good kind of bush :p 21:14:13 <peter1138> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Bush 21:14:58 <Belugas> "Running up that Hill" Me loves 21:15:51 <CIA-5> egladil * r4093 /branch/32bpp/: Created a branch for 32bpp graphics. Work-in-progress. 21:16:18 * Eddi|zuHause2 listens to bush - letting the cables sleep 21:16:38 * MiHaMiX listens Bonnie Tyler - Save up all your tears 21:16:45 * MeusH bows in front of egladil 21:16:54 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: please take a look at the stubs 21:17:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> (not that this would have anything to do with Kate Bush) 21:17:06 <MeusH> and please correct the main page if needed. I made too much mess 21:17:25 <Bjarni> peter1138: I have no idea who she is. I never heard that name before 21:17:50 <Bjarni> then again she debuted before I was born :/ 21:17:53 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: define stubs please :) 21:18:04 <Bjarni> so I guess it's kind of people's music :p 21:18:16 <MiHaMiX> who knows Frank Zappa? :) 21:19:36 * Belugas congratulates egladil and enjoys Enigma - Beyond the Invisible 21:22:26 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/siunits11.diff < update 21:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> after reading the wiki page... the name kate bush (i have definitely heard it before) tells me nothing... if i might hear some sound samples, i would probably recognize her... 21:23:06 <peter1138> heh 21:24:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> does your "heh" have any actual semantics attached? 21:25:02 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause : PM 21:25:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> what pm? 21:26:51 <Belugas> Do you see something on your IRC client who is flashing or whatever and baring my name? 21:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> no ;) 21:27:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> otherwise i would not ask ;) 21:27:29 <Belugas> Are you registered? 21:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> no 21:27:56 <Belugas> too bad for yu then :) 21:28:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> do i have to be registered to _recieve_ PMs even? 21:28:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B7388F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:28:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> or did you send it to the wrong person ;) 21:29:01 <Belugas> many of YOu, no, just you... 21:29:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> better now ;) 21:30:16 *** Coder`TuX [n=codertux@85.204.17.98] has quit ["Windows, the best game ever: Try to see how many blue screens you can get per hour and then try to beat that record!"] 21:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> as i assume i cannot answer you... just try ;) 21:32:03 <Belugas> ok 21:32:44 <MeusH> <MeusH> MiHaMiX: please take a look at the stubs <-- sorry, I meant templates 21:32:47 <MeusH> silly me 21:33:04 <Belugas> trying now Eddi|zuHause2 21:33:42 <Belugas> Working :) 21:34:58 <egladil> [24 22:16 CET] * MeusH bows in front of egladil <== just don't expect it to work perfectly any time soon. theres much to do 21:36:44 <MeusH> sure, I know 21:36:45 *** neonox [n=Daimos@ip-80-226-229-183.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 21:36:49 <MeusH> bug me for ideas 21:37:09 <MeusH> I'd like to help with effects/particles, if it is planneed 21:37:43 <Bjarni> MeusH: we don't need bug ideas :p 21:37:54 <hylje> bug ideas :] 21:38:00 <Bjarni> we do fine on ourselves 21:38:39 <MeusH> I couldn't sleep when thinking about making a ship looping next to the coast 21:38:46 <MeusH> that would be a nice bug, wouldn't it? 21:38:54 <guru3> lol 21:38:56 <MeusH> goodnight everybody 21:39:00 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 21:39:34 <Belugas> enjoy Eddi|zuHause2 :) 21:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh yeah, i know that ;) 21:40:42 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:41:52 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 21:41:56 <black_Nightmare> hey 21:42:19 <Belugas> good songs never die :) 21:42:24 <Bjarni> it's getting late and the nightmare returned :s 21:43:36 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you got nightmares at bright day, you probably need to see a shrink ;) 21:44:38 <black_Nightmare> eddi....for the info.. Nightmare is a character name douf 21:44:53 <hylje> nightmare steed 21:45:39 <black_Nightmare> heh 21:45:56 <black_Nightmare> anyway just curious about it but...um.. network play anyone? 21:50:23 <black_Nightmare> oh yeah one dumb question...how do you use the chat thing anyhow? 21:50:53 <hylje> press enter 21:50:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> press enter, i assume 21:52:28 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:55:10 *** DJFire [n=djfire@ip68-107-187-49.lu.dl.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:28 <black_Nightmare> lol player not being nice..put up markers in front of my station as soon as I build it 21:56:41 <black_Nightmare> I tricked him..built track by breaking some buildings down :p 21:56:54 <DJFire> lol 21:56:58 <guru3> lol 21:57:01 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: how did your iconv-detector ever work? 21:57:06 <DarkSSH> make[1]: --cflags: Command not found 21:57:07 <DarkSSH> make[1]: --libs: Command not found 21:58:02 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B822CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 21:58:09 *** DJFire [n=djfire@ip68-107-187-49.lu.dl.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:59:00 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B822CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:00:59 <Bjarni> DarkSSH: simple. I typed make and it just worked... where do you get those errors? 22:01:20 <DarkSSH> when I type make 22:01:29 <Bjarni> ... 22:01:55 <Bjarni> I guess it would be too much to ask where in the makefile it fucked up 22:02:08 <Bjarni> try echo $CC in your CLI 22:02:08 * peter1138 ponders comitting this si units stuff 22:02:29 <Bjarni> yeah, do it 22:03:07 <DarkSSH> peter1138: you had some problems with some languages using custom cases? 22:03:11 <DarkSSH> did that get sorted out? 22:03:13 <peter1138> DarkSSH: nope 22:03:17 <peter1138> turns out it was finnish 22:03:20 <peter1138> and it's wrong 22:03:49 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7993.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 22:04:42 <peter1138> at least, according to spcomb 22:04:48 <DarkSSH> ah 22:05:21 <DarkSSH> but if finnish were right, would you still have problems/ 22:05:22 <DarkSSH> ? 22:05:33 <Qball> who is admin on the official openttd servers? 22:05:41 <DarkSSH> bleh, sucky conection. Only 200KB/s 22:05:57 <DarkSSH> TrueLight is 22:06:08 <Qball> aah 22:06:13 <Qball> TrueLight: ping 22:06:20 <TrueLight> Qball: pong 22:06:21 <TrueLight> I guess 22:06:40 <Qball> I got some lamer who joined somebody's company, and refuses to leave 22:06:48 <Qball> while the other was still playing. 22:06:54 <Qball> what is the policy 22:07:03 <TrueLight> what is the name of the bad player? 22:07:09 <Qball> T.Rainman 22:07:26 <Qball> thanks 22:07:39 <Bjarni> use passwords in the future 22:07:45 <Qball> I just told him 22:07:51 <TrueLight> I banned the user, so you won't see him back any time soon 22:07:52 <Qball> it wasn't me being botherd by him 22:08:02 <Qball> TrueLight: thanks alot 22:08:07 <TrueLight> Np 22:08:11 <TrueLight> he sure does try to rejoin :p 22:08:19 <TrueLight> Qball: the policy is simple: keep the game fun, if not, you are out of there 22:08:24 <TrueLight> I don't even talk to people about it 22:08:34 <Qball> :D 22:08:36 <TrueLight> dbg: v->first cache faulty. We shouldn't be here, rebuilding cache! 22:08:36 <TrueLight> dbg: v->first cache faulty. We shouldn't be here, rebuilding cache! 22:08:36 <TrueLight> dbg: v->first cache faulty. We shouldn't be here, rebuilding cache! 22:08:39 <SpComb> hmm 22:08:40 <TrueLight> I got tons of those reports 22:08:43 * SpComb never lie 22:10:10 *** DJFire [n=Dragon@ip68-107-187-49.lu.dl.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:10:45 <Born_Acorn> He never does. 22:10:55 <SpComb> lies 22:10:58 <peter1138> DarkSSH: as long as no language uses different forms for different items... 22:11:05 <Born_Acorn> Only once, when he said he wasn't girly. 22:11:09 <Born_Acorn> then he lied. 22:11:15 <SpComb> :O 22:11:27 <SpComb> I never said anything like that! 22:11:39 <SpComb> nor did you ever claim such 22:11:46 <Born_Acorn> So you are girly? 22:11:49 <DarkSSH> peter1138: you mean '1 apple on the tree' and '1 applea outside the tree' 22:11:53 <DarkSSH> stuff like this? 22:11:53 <Born_Acorn> If you never said you aren't. 22:12:02 <SpComb> I'm not girly. 22:12:06 <Bjarni> DarkSSH: I can't reproduce that problem :/ 22:12:07 <peter1138> DarkSSH: errr 22:12:12 <Born_Acorn> There, you said it, and you lied. 22:12:15 <SpComb> lies 22:12:16 <Born_Acorn> End of story. 22:12:23 * SpComb EOFs Born_Acorn 22:12:24 <Born_Acorn> see, even you know it was lies. 22:12:32 <SpComb> no, the lies where lies 22:12:36 <SpComb> so the truth was truth 22:12:58 <Born_Acorn> no, the lies were that the lies were lies, so the truth was lies to your lies to the lies. 22:13:06 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:13:15 <Born_Acorn> Carrying the one. 22:13:23 <hylje> i lie down then 22:14:09 <Born_Acorn> SpComb is girly and peter1138 has moobs. Case closed. 22:14:11 <peter1138> DarkSSH: plurals are supported fine 22:14:29 <DarkSSH> ok 22:14:48 <peter1138> the problem: 22:14:58 <peter1138> 1 tonni hedelmia 22:15:01 <peter1138> 2 tonnia hedelmia 22:15:04 <peter1138> (fine) 22:15:08 <peter1138> 1 tonni maissia 22:15:11 <hylje> ä 22:15:11 <peter1138> 2 tonni maissia 22:15:18 <SpComb> hedelmiä 22:15:24 <SpComb> ä 22:15:29 <peter1138> the accent doesn't matter here :P 22:15:34 <SpComb> it does! 22:15:38 <Born_Acorn> oh noes! You used the wrong characters! The world is ending! 22:15:39 <hylje> nitpicking ftw! 22:15:46 <SpComb> yes! 22:15:50 <hylje> Born_Acorn: true enough 22:15:57 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: I'm listening. 22:16:00 <Born_Acorn> and why do all those sound like Stereotypical mafia mobsters? 22:16:10 <peter1138> as long as it should actually be "2 tonnia maissia", then my patch is good 22:16:22 <SpComb> they don't 22:16:23 <hylje> yep it should be 22:16:24 <DarkSSH> peter1138: so the system in your patch is not good if it should say '2tonni' 22:16:26 <Born_Acorn> Tonni Maissia will spray you with bullets if you don't pay protection. 22:16:27 <SpComb> yes, it should! 22:16:35 * SpComb slaps Born_Acorn 22:16:43 <peter1138> DarkSSH: it's ok if it should all be 2 tonni, or all 2 tonnia 22:16:56 <peter1138> but not if it depends on the cargo 22:16:57 <Born_Acorn> Tonnia Hedelmia is the don's bodyguard. 22:16:58 <DarkSSH> yeah, all, not some yes and some not :P 22:17:15 <SpComb> that rule is that simple 22:18:06 <Qball> openttd: gfx.c:142: GfxFillRect: Assertion `bottom > 0' failed. 22:18:06 <Qball> Aborted 22:18:09 <Qball> there we go again 22:18:19 <peter1138> disable assertions ;) 22:18:27 <Qball> fix it 22:18:54 <peter1138> i can't reproduce it 22:19:10 *** Brannmann_Sam [i=Brannman@85.221.61.234] has joined #openttd 22:19:14 <SpComb> bottom >= 0 22:19:26 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 22:20:55 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:20:59 <Born_Acorn> Ah. You already arrived. 22:21:03 <SpComb> lies 22:21:04 <Brannmann_Sam> yes 22:21:11 <hylje> noes 22:21:14 <Brannmann_Sam> skilled. or something 22:21:17 <Born_Acorn> mose. 22:21:20 <Born_Acorn> nose. 22:21:27 <hylje> noes. 22:21:38 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: any other issues with the 2cc exe? 22:21:49 <Brannmann_Sam> anyone here an admin on the official open ttd server? 22:21:52 <Born_Acorn> moose. goose. Spruce. Wood. trees. leaves. flowers. pretty. girls. SpComb. 22:21:55 <Born_Acorn> a trail of words. 22:22:08 <Brannmann_Sam> though just very wrong. I think 22:22:09 <Brannmann_Sam> :P 22:22:09 * SpComb looks worried 22:22:11 <hylje> nice 22:22:13 <Born_Acorn> TrueLight is the admin. 22:22:24 <SpComb> TrueLight is a fool 22:22:29 <Born_Acorn> :O 22:22:30 <SpComb> there is no light 22:22:33 <Born_Acorn> banzors. 22:22:37 <SpComb> only FalseDarkness 22:22:53 <SpComb> light is a absense of darkness 22:22:55 <hylje> false darkness == true light 22:23:09 <peter1138> TrueLight: v->first cache? what i've broken now? :P 22:23:28 <TrueLight> peter1138: dunno, 0.4.6 produces tons of them 22:23:33 <peter1138> hmmm 22:23:48 <peter1138> i think something was part backported 22:24:21 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, except for the immense slowness that made me quit after 5 mins, not really. 22:24:38 <peter1138> that's your pc 22:24:39 <peter1138> ;p 22:25:07 <peter1138> TrueLight: http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/changeset/3576 22:25:12 <Celestar> hi peops 22:26:12 <TrueLight> peter1138: so, it is fixed :p 22:26:17 <peter1138> TrueLight: in trunk, yes 22:26:27 <peter1138> TrueLight: i guess that part wasn't back ported to 0.4.6 22:26:38 <peter1138> but the first bit was 22:26:41 <peter1138> (my guess) 22:28:04 <Celestar> bah it sucks when when the DSL line is faster than the WLAN conn 22:28:29 <TrueLight> peter1138: so, backport it now :) 22:30:33 *** Angst [n=Angst@p5494710C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [""cal 9 1752""] 22:30:48 <peter1138> omg 22:30:50 <peter1138> i must die 22:30:54 <peter1138> svn commit: 22:30:56 <peter1138> GNU nano 1.3.8 22:30:58 <peter1138> :( 22:31:13 <tokai> ? :) 22:31:25 <hylje> you committed nano? 22:31:27 <tokai> isnt nano the most usable linux editor? 22:31:38 <peter1138> it's fucking shit 22:31:44 <hylje> emacs! 22:32:04 <Vornicus> nano has the easiest learning curve, but also can't do much. 22:32:51 <Vornicus> vi can do more, but it's hard to learn. 22:33:45 <Vornicus> emacs can do anything and everything, but totally ignores any and all UI conventions. 22:34:05 <hylje> screw ui 22:34:25 * peter1138 compilifies 22:34:27 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:34:36 <sijmen> Real people transfer their text files directly from their brains into their PC or Mac box. With FireWire 800, that is. 22:35:01 <hylje> the hardest thing with that is the fw800-brain adapter 22:35:05 <TrueLight> Okay, we shall make one thing very clear for all your players in all those servers 22:35:10 <TrueLight> it is not considered good behavoir 22:35:11 <sijmen> Yeah, it's expensive 22:35:15 <TrueLight> if you join someone else his company 22:35:16 <sijmen> Expecially the white Apple one 22:35:18 <TrueLight> the person asks you to leave 22:35:20 <TrueLight> and you refuse 22:35:22 <DjViper> sijmen: thats nothing, you'll never guess where my "trashcan" is :P 22:35:26 <TrueLight> no matter how the game was / is going 22:35:33 <TrueLight> we can not distinct the bad from the good 22:35:40 <TrueLight> if your intentions were good: I am sorry, shit happens 22:35:46 <TrueLight> if your intensions were bad: right on! 22:35:51 <sijmen> It's funny how I can redirect /dev/ear to /dev/null when I'm at school :) 22:36:16 <hylje> /dev/ear0 /dev/ear1 22:37:06 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4094 /branch/0.4/vehicle.c: 22:37:06 <CIA-5> - Allow unused wagons have their ->first set. This fixes the faulty 22:37:06 <CIA-5> cache warning message, and noticably speeds up depot operations in large 22:37:06 <CIA-5> games. Backport of r3576 from trunk 22:37:12 <sijmen> hylje, you're using the old system. 22:37:22 <hylje> really 22:37:30 <sijmen> /dev/ears/ear0/part1 /dev/ears/ear1/part1 22:37:44 <hylje> youre using a different controller then 22:38:41 <Qball> *cough* nerds *cough* 22:39:02 * peter1138 munches on a big wedge of mental cheese, for that special freaky-dream time 22:40:07 <Celestar> peter1138: any progress? I might have an hour or two to code tomorrow ... 22:44:10 *** RichK [n=RichK@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 22:45:17 <Celestar> damn I have 70% packet loss over WLAN 22:45:44 <Qball> Celestar: fun isn't it :D 22:45:53 * Celestar goes disabling power saving features 22:46:08 <Celestar> stupid tree 22:46:26 <hylje> use ip over pigeons to cope with the tree 22:46:51 <Qball> it will result in alot of (bird) crap 22:46:58 <Celestar> well.. 22:47:16 <Celestar> manually setting the bitrate to 2Mbit helps 22:47:19 * peter1138 builds his elrail changes 22:47:42 <Celestar> pet \o/ 22:47:49 <Celestar> peter1138: \o/ 22:48:06 *** sijmen [n=sijmen@h45058.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:48:57 <peter1138> hehe 22:51:03 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-203-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 22:52:13 <RichK> hi guys - i need some help... 22:52:21 <Celestar> note to self: NEVER buy an MSI router AGAIN. 22:52:26 <RichK> lol 22:52:34 <Celestar> RichK: go ahead? 22:53:07 <RichK> okies - i want to create a flat platform for industry, and it needs to happen ingame as well as on map create 22:53:17 <RichK> how do i handle the cost? 22:53:52 <Celestar> I think these WLAN cards miss a power-boost option 22:54:03 <Celestar> iwconfig eth1 txpower 5W 22:54:05 <Celestar> :) 22:54:16 <Celestar> that would solve the range problem. 22:54:45 <Celestar> bah. 22:54:50 <Celestar> Hangars SUCK. 22:54:54 <RichK> btw, is tron online! 22:55:01 <RichK> ? not ! 22:55:03 <Celestar> RichK: sure is. why? 22:55:20 <CIA-5> bjarni * r4095 /branch/0.4/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 22:55:20 <CIA-5> -Backport 4060, 4084 22:55:20 <CIA-5> made the release target for OSX do more work (less manual work when releasing) 22:55:20 <CIA-5> updated some OSX documentation 22:55:37 <RichK> cos ive seen him committing industry_cmd.c changes, and so he is active in the same file i want to modify 22:55:53 <RichK> and probably has current knowledge that would help :) 22:56:17 <Celestar> RichK: what exactly are you trying to do? Terraform? 22:56:45 <RichK> sort of.... currently when an industry is placed, it checks if it is level, if not, it tries another location 22:57:02 <Celestar> but? 22:57:22 <RichK> Terragenesis Perlin makes the world too bumpy for that, and everything gets built on the mountain plateaus 22:57:52 <RichK> so i want to check all other industry conditions, and if ok, then terraform land flat 22:58:07 <Celestar> submit a terraform command 22:58:15 <Celestar> you need to use commands, 22:58:36 <RichK> i tried, but LevelLand doesnt throw any error condition 22:58:53 <Celestar> CMD_LEVEL_LAND 22:58:54 <RichK> it will always succeed 22:58:59 <RichK> yeah 22:59:13 <Celestar> not it will not? 22:59:37 <Celestar> and if so, modify the command ;) 23:00:00 <Celestar> :q 23:00:10 <RichK> if i send it with ~DC_EXEC, it doesnt do anything (correct), but doesnt respond with success/fail either 23:00:29 <Celestar> clear_cmd.c:348. don't break but do a return ret; 23:00:41 <CIA-5> egladil * r4096 /branch/32bpp/ (gfx.c gfx.h gfx_util.h macros.h openttd.h spritecache.h): [32bpp] -Import 32bpp blitter and 8bpp to 32bpp sprite converter. They are not used yet though. 23:00:47 <glx> RichK: did you tried CMD_TERRAFORM_LAND ? 23:01:13 <RichK> i want to switch to using that one, but need to know how to handle the costs (ie. not assign them anywhere) 23:02:13 <Celestar> by setting the current owner to OWNER_NONE ? 23:02:16 <RichK> lol - i have already cut/pasted that very code from clear_cmd into my industry_cmd as a template for the new routine ;) 23:02:36 <RichK> sorry to sound like a noob, but how? 23:02:48 <Celestar> _current_owner = OWNER_NONE; ? 23:02:59 <RichK> thanks... copying ;) 23:03:00 <Celestar> I dunno, I haven't tried what you do ... 23:03:11 <Celestar> might fail tho ;) 23:04:43 <RichK> my current routine works mostly - no industries are drawn on top of anything important, but sometimes they dont terraform flat (with Level Land), and so the industry marches up a hill :) 23:04:53 <Celestar> hr hr :) 23:04:59 <Celestar> well, why not ;) 23:05:07 <Celestar> ok, but I needa go. 23:05:11 <RichK> some look ok - forests especially 23:05:14 <RichK> gn 23:05:16 <RichK> thanks 23:05:25 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:05:34 <Celestar> peter1138: if you have anything I could help with, feel free to commit or drop me a mail or something :) 23:05:51 <Celestar> I'll be online tomorrow around noon. 23:06:03 <glx> RichK: you can directly call CmdTerraformLand() it returns cost 23:06:31 <RichK> good - which file again? 23:06:48 <glx> DoCommand does it too 23:07:14 <RichK> this is the line that doesnt work... annoyingly 23:07:15 <RichK> if (CmdFailed(DoCommandByTile(tile + TileDiffXY(max_x + 2, max_y + 2), tile + TileDiffXY(-1,-1), 0, ~DC_EXEC, CMD_LEVEL_LAND))) 23:10:04 <glx> CmdTerraformLand is in clear_cmd.c 23:10:04 *** DJFire [n=Dragon@ip68-107-187-49.lu.dl.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:11:24 <glx> RichK: I found what you can change to test 23:11:44 <RichK> fire away :) 23:12:02 <glx> clear_cmd:348 23:12:19 <glx> replace break by return ret; 23:12:19 <RichK> return not break 23:12:37 <glx> so it will return error if it fails 23:12:40 <RichK> celestar suggested same 23:13:17 <glx> but it will level all land it can until it fail 23:13:26 <RichK> hmm... i will have to make a copy and use that, or else as soon as a user tries to level, then it will fail on a user 23:13:51 <glx> indeed no since you use ~DC_EXEC :) 23:13:57 <RichK> thats what i want it to do :) but only as a system process for industry placement 23:14:43 <RichK> what should i use - i only used that as it was the only way i could get any sense out of it 23:15:25 <glx> ho p2 is unused so you could use it to specify you are in land generation and then it should return else it breaks 23:15:38 <RichK> okies, at least ive been looking at the right code... 23:15:46 <RichK> hmm... interesting idea 23:17:04 *** DJFire [n=Dragon@ip68-107-187-49.lu.dl.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:17:09 <RichK> it may be simpler and cleaner to have the routine in with the industry placement routine, rather than go messing in clear_cmd. as this is part of TGPerlin, it has a strong chance of getting to trunk, and id rather not mess in too many places ;) 23:17:52 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:18:01 <Vornicus> http://bemrose.us/images/curves.jpg <--- about editors, now that I've gotten back to the computer. 23:18:08 <glx> RichK: but it's really easy to use p2 23:18:25 <glx> and that prevent code redondancy 23:19:45 <RichK> grumble... suppose so... yeah, it may be easier... what should i set p2 to though... pick my own number? 23:21:19 <glx> just pass 1 23:22:01 <RichK> isnt that risky in case someone leaves p2 set to 1? 23:22:10 <glx> if (CmdFailed(DoCommandByTile(tile + TileDiffXY(max_x + 2, max_y + 2), tile + TileDiffXY(-1,-1), 1, ~DC_EXEC, CMD_LEVEL_LAND))) 23:22:14 <MiHaMiX> Vornicus: the graph of vi is obviously bad. 23:22:42 <glx> p2 is just a parameter for the command 23:22:44 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181093185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 23:22:49 <RichK> yeah, i know where p2 is ;) 23:22:55 <MiHaMiX> Vornicus: vi starts from above zero at y when x=0, but definitely not a constant y 23:23:25 <glx> RichK: and p2 is set each time you run a command 23:23:49 <RichK> ok, ill try it 23:24:14 <RichK> add this to clear_cmd if (p2 == 1) _current_owner = OWNER_NONE; 23:24:40 <glx> if (CmdFailed(ret)) (p2 == 0) ? break : return ret; <-- I thought that 23:24:46 <RichK> if (CmdFailed(ret) && p2==1) return ret; // ret returned to show it has errored. 23:25:02 <RichK> erk... bracketing 23:25:14 <glx> because you should break in normal calls 23:25:15 <RichK> ok, thats neater 23:26:23 <glx> and don't forget to modify the comment for param usage 23:26:41 <RichK> okies 23:30:07 <RichK> "warning empty body in an if statement" 23:30:23 <RichK> from your "i thought that" line 23:30:32 <Vornicus> MiHaMiX: too bad. :) 23:31:27 <glx> RichK: add {} around 23:31:37 <RichK> just doing so 23:32:49 <RichK> syntax error before "break".... if (CmdFailed(ret)) { 23:32:49 <RichK> (p2 == 0) ? break : return ret; // ret returned to show it has errored 23:32:49 <RichK> } 23:33:16 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 23:33:35 <CIA-5> bjarni * r4097 /branch/0.4/ (os/macosx/Makefile stdafx.h): 23:33:35 <CIA-5> -Backported 4084 properly (included the last line) 23:33:35 <CIA-5> also added a header that is needed because we didn't backport the new feature, that includes the header in the trunk 23:34:49 <RichK> is it only an assignable statement... ie... x = (p2==0) ? 1 : 0; 23:35:05 <glx> if (CmdFailed(ret)) { 23:35:05 <glx> if (p2 == 1) return ret; // ret returned to show it has errored 23:35:05 <glx> break; 23:35:05 <glx> } 23:35:20 <RichK> cool, that will work too 23:35:58 <RichK> passed compile 23:36:10 <glx> no the running test 23:36:24 <RichK> gotta get past the other errors ;) 23:36:50 <RichK> _current_owner = OWNER_NONE; 23:37:09 <RichK> _current_owner undeclared.... where is the darn thing declared 23:37:33 <RichK> or can i just extern it? 23:37:49 <glx> nowhere 23:37:56 <glx> it doesn't exist 23:38:41 <RichK> so what did celestar mean then???? [23:02] RichK: sorry to sound like a noob, but how? 23:38:41 <RichK> [23:02] Celestar: _current_owner = OWNER_NONE; ? 23:38:41 <glx> just remove the line you added 23:39:23 <glx> he was unsure :) there's a "?" 23:39:27 <RichK> so how do i stop it from trying to assign costs? 23:40:13 <glx> the money test? 23:41:01 <RichK> i execute the command twice: once to check it is ok, once to do it. the second will try to assign costs 23:41:20 <glx> if (p2 == 0 && (money -= ret) < 0) { 23:41:24 <glx> should work 23:41:59 * peter1138 munges the pathfinders 23:46:56 <peter1138> hmmmmmmm 23:47:09 <peter1138> why is my 0hp train moving? o_O 23:47:18 <RichK> gravity? 23:47:22 <peter1138> nope 23:47:32 <peter1138> unless someone's tilting the map, and me with it 23:47:41 <peter1138> though the water's staying put... 23:48:10 * peter1138 -> sleep 23:50:46 * MiHaMiX -> sleep 23:51:20 <glx> RichK: does it work? 23:51:48 <RichK> nope... ensures all locations fail if any terraforming required 23:52:59 <RichK> just putting in some debug... i want to know what ret value is 23:53:32 <glx> if all works ok you get the cost else CMD_ERROR 23:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> peter1138: maybe someone caused a time warp at the location of the engine, thus the system is balancing out the moving mass of the object, that will result in the train having a velocity 23:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> talk about realistic acceleration ;)