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00:03:38 <Fujitsu> Yes. 00:04:07 *** BJH__ [n=chatzill@e176099064.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:04:23 *** BJH__ is now known as BJH 00:05:11 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 00:06:46 <Vornicus> 1. microsoft has a very large presence on business desktop machines, where it is used less to surf. 00:07:50 <Vornicus> 2. those people using non-MS operating systems are more likely to be computer literate; thus the demographic of computer-oriented internet sites is likely to be more biased towards more knowledgeable users. 00:08:57 <Vornicus> 3. people with alternative OSes, especially Macintosh which seems to attract fanboys, are more likely to answer questions asking their OS preference because they want to see their system-of-choice's market share increase. 00:09:14 <Bjarni> agreed 00:09:26 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@unaffiliated/magicjohn] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:09:28 <Bjarni> still, it's interesting to see that it's so close 00:09:32 <Vornicus> indeed 00:13:22 *** Spocoo [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 00:20:11 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 00:20:30 <black_Nightmare> *is having a bit more fun with the different pre-signalling...I wonder how the heck I could have lived without these :)) 00:21:38 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176113006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:37:19 <Bjarni> goodnight everybody 00:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> black_Nightmare: wait till you see PBS in action ;) 00:37:51 <Bjarni> it's late (or early) so maybe you should go to bed as well ;) 00:37:54 <Bjarni> err 00:38:00 <Bjarni> not the SAME bed, that is :p 00:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is almost bash worthy ;) 00:38:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> (if bash weren't full of similar things already) 00:39:17 <Bjarni> maybe we should try to add it to qdb.us 00:39:23 <orudge> Bjarni: I'm Chris Owen? How bizarre. What's the URL? 00:39:40 <black_Nightmare> eddi...? 00:39:45 <black_Nightmare> ohh yeah 00:39:46 <Bjarni> orudge: one moment, I will try to see if I still got it 00:39:47 <black_Nightmare> sorry :-> 00:39:51 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit ["<volcone> tycker inte man borde få idrotta i skolan, eftersom man springer så jävulskt mkt i wow"] 00:40:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: in german we say "das selbe in grün" 00:40:45 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7883B.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:41:29 <black_Nightmare> eddi....you know how ttdx people used to have two directional tracks end at a 2-platform station with crossover tracks? 00:41:34 <Bjarni> Chris Owen: http://www.kothhoefer.de/blog/archives/cat_macgames.html 00:42:04 <orudge> Amusing. 00:42:06 <Bjarni> search for OpenTTD 00:42:09 <Bjarni> it's a bit down 00:42:39 <Bjarni> searching for OpenTTD on google can be amusing 00:43:02 * orudge posts a comment 00:43:15 <Bjarni> I also found a page, that stated that one of the major upgrades from 0.4.5 to 0.4.7 is the universal binary..... 0.4.5 is released as a universal binary 00:43:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> Exegese - schlecher christlicher Shooter <- rofl ;) 00:43:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> black_Nightmare: what do you mean? 00:44:38 <black_Nightmare> eddi..well...let me see if I could draw an ascii art on three lines for what I mean .. one second :p 00:45:03 <Bjarni> one second is up 00:45:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> black_Nightmare: no, what i meant was: "what is your point?" 00:45:16 <black_Nightmare> lol eddi... 00:45:26 <black_Nightmare> well you know how if both platforms were full and a third train tried to come in 00:45:50 <black_Nightmare> it would either go into depot or block one of the platform (*&@!) .. but with the presignal..its nice to make the trains wait before the crossover instead of -on- it :p 00:46:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> i had that way too often ;) 00:46:15 <black_Nightmare> heh yeah..got to love presignal huh? hehe 00:47:36 <Bjarni> actually this is the page telling that universal binaries are new to 0.4.7 00:47:56 <Bjarni> they did some great research before writing this, that's for sure :p 00:51:35 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:51:36 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46afa.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:54:11 <fusey> woohoo i come home to a new release. 00:54:48 <black_Nightmare> lol just sighted a flying ufo... *chases it* 00:55:06 * orudge released the OS/2 version of OpenTTD today 00:55:06 <orudge> Woo. 00:55:08 <fusey> are there UFOs that walk? 00:55:20 <fusey> ;p 00:55:27 <black_Nightmare> BOOOM.. there goes the military jet flying past :p 00:55:31 <fusey> orudge: nice!! 00:56:29 <fusey> oh wow you guys have a 64 build 00:56:32 <orudge> well, version of 0.4.7, that is, of course 00:56:35 <fusey> i've been out of date 00:56:37 <orudge> We have builds for almost any computer ;) 00:56:40 <fusey> yea 00:56:42 <orudge> Not quite as many as ScummVM 00:56:43 <orudge> but ah well. 00:56:58 <fusey> well dam you still got like 99.9999% of people... 00:57:14 <orudge> Heh 00:58:00 <fusey> too bad noone else supports 64 00:58:47 <fusey> i've got a machine here with an amd 64, and the nforce 3 chipset that nvidia claims on their site is "designed for 64 bit", yet the nforce 3 drivers are freaking 2 year old BETAS. 00:59:08 <fusey> the machine runs like crap in 64 00:59:11 <fusey> and runs great in 32 00:59:54 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 01:03:27 <black_Nightmare> another thing I like...building station platforms right on slopes alone :-> 01:03:56 <black_Nightmare> funny when you're trying to squeeze just one more station in a tight hilly place :p 01:06:33 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 01:07:36 <black_Nightmare> oh of which.....hmmm I got a unusual screenshot to show..brb :p 01:09:07 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:09:11 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:12:21 <black_Nightmare> 212.88KB screenshot here: http://web.ncf.ca/fg438/dragon%20Transport,%2029th%20Apr%202013.png (mind that filename..it'll show up fine) .. blue is mine 01:12:34 <black_Nightmare> I'm sure you can see one station that has two platforms on different level :p 01:12:50 <black_Nightmare> and yeah the stations by factory are all one single one :-> 01:16:15 <orudge> Night all ;x 01:17:01 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-49.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 01:17:19 <Vornicus> woo terraced stations 01:19:31 <black_Nightmare> vornicus..heh yeah if I couldn't build on slope I would have had a big problem 01:20:04 <black_Nightmare> try fit two trains on only one line (no space for sidings) .. but with building the tracks and another platform on the slope ... traffic solved :-> 01:21:09 <black_Nightmare> here: http://web.ncf.ca/fg438/dragon%20Transport,%2014th%20Jan%202014.png and barely in the screenshot in upper-left corner you can see the 2 tracks joining together finally) 01:21:50 <black_Nightmare> the heavily-signalled dual lines are for passenger trains anyhow 01:24:10 <black_Nightmare> I think I maxxed out my station spread around the factory anyhow lol..I mean..when I try put a freight depot (road) somewhere further away it warns that it wouldn't place...meh 01:32:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> wahh... driving on left always causes me headaches... 01:33:05 <black_Nightmare> eddi.... heh 01:33:21 <black_Nightmare> so...anyone done with the two screenshots I posted? 01:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway... i believe you got too many parallel tracks 01:35:12 <black_Nightmare> eddi...lol 01:35:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> your network's space efficency can be improved... 01:36:32 <black_Nightmare> the highest platform is for one goods train... lower one is for a cattle one.. then the longer roof 2-platform one is goods on one track and cattle-or-grain trains on other ... and the shorter 2-platform roof station is two steel trains on one track and yet again another goods train on the other track 01:36:41 <black_Nightmare> somehow things seem to work just fine lol 01:37:18 <black_Nightmare> the small 2-platform roof station thats only served on one single platform.. thats the iron ore train anyhow (I had to cut from 2 to 1 track due to lower productions meh) 01:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> narf... i need custom bridgeheads :p 01:40:36 <black_Nightmare> eddi..lol 01:40:49 <black_Nightmare> well this area is very busy its no wonder things move well all of the times 01:42:47 <black_Nightmare> so....shall I delete these screenshots or not yet? :p 01:45:55 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 01:51:53 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-16067.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 01:53:06 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 01:53:14 <black_Nightmare> almost forgot... how often does the ufo show up? 01:56:21 <black_Nightmare> or its random? 01:57:23 <black_Nightmare> *sure could use one lol* 02:00:10 <black_Nightmare> hrm 02:02:55 <CIA-5> belugas * r4223 /trunk/openttd.dsp: Correction of VC6 project file. 02:06:12 <black_Nightmare> nevermind..one finally came :-P 02:18:26 *** TPK [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:18:49 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:19:29 *** TPK is now known as ThePizzaKing 02:22:55 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 02:29:52 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:32:55 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@host81-156-195-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 02:40:39 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 02:43:29 * Vornicus raids ThePizzaKing's treasury 02:43:41 <ThePizzaKing> huh? What? 02:43:54 <ThePizzaKing> damn, that was my treasure 02:44:29 <Vornicus> mmmm, pepperoni. 02:45:55 * Vornicus fiddles with the difficulty options page on the wiki. 02:50:42 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176099064.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 02:51:01 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 02:51:26 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit ["/quit"] 02:58:58 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 03:57:33 *** dp_ [n=dp@p54B2F991.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:01:08 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-16067.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:12:06 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2DA01.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:12:07 *** dp_ is now known as dp-- 04:56:20 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:01:07 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has quit ["Que?"] 05:11:28 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 05:39:42 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.22.230] has joined #openttd 06:05:31 * peter1138 reworks zoom so 100% is normal and 200% is double size 06:32:54 *** Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: eQualizer, DaleStan, faari, wolf^, SimonRC, valhalla1w`zzz, Stumo, Kalpa, MagicJohn, Kjetil, (+5 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 06:33:14 *** Guest27883 [n=pockled@203.101.22.230] has joined #openttd 06:33:20 *** Netsplit over, joins: DaleStan, MagicJohn, Stumo, Rexxie, valhalla1w`zzz, vrak, gradator, faari, wolf^, Hinrik (+5 more) 06:33:26 *** Guest27883 [n=pockled@203.101.22.230] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:33:48 *** Guest27883 [n=pockled@203.101.22.230] has joined #openttd 06:55:17 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.22.230] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:08:42 *** Guest27883 [n=pockled@203.101.22.230] has quit ["Look ma, no script!"] 07:08:55 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.22.230] has joined #openttd 07:11:50 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 07:17:49 *** Toast_King [n=toastedk@dsl-146-212-69.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #openTTD 07:17:53 <Toast_King> Hi 07:19:50 <Toast_King> . 07:20:42 <Toast_King> test 07:20:44 *** Toast_King [n=toastedk@dsl-146-212-69.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #openTTD [] 07:22:03 <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: SPAM on -dev list again, please do something! 07:23:50 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549444F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:37:14 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 07:37:31 <MeusH> heyah 07:38:17 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: DCC 07:39:16 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: hi 07:56:42 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181068021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:14:58 <peter1138> hi 08:15:41 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 08:17:22 <MeusH> hi 08:22:45 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 08:28:27 *** RoySmeding_ [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:30:12 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:58 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:44:35 *** weeble888 [i=weeble@user-5139.lns2-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:45:04 <weeble888> Gamesservers: servers 08:45:06 *** weeble888 [i=weeble@user-5139.lns2-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 08:45:32 *** weeble888 [i=weeble@user-5139.lns2-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:47:34 *** weeble888 [i=weeble@user-5139.lns2-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 08:53:20 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181068021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [] 08:55:30 <MiHaMiX> http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2006/03/31/393-new-system-call 08:55:37 <MiHaMiX> :D 08:59:07 *** zen-- [n=zen@88-196-42-171-dsl.noe.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 09:00:20 <ThePizzaKing> MiHaMiX: Good one :) 09:00:21 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 09:04:42 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181068021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:06:31 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:07:23 <zen--> why r some of the functionds defined with CDECL 09:10:07 <Brianetta> to puzzle you 09:29:10 <TL|Away> peter1138: tnx for also changing the configure :) 09:32:07 <Fujitsu> :O 09:32:15 <Fujitsu> TrueLight is talking while he is away! 09:32:25 <TL|Away> I am amazing 09:37:30 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181068021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 09:39:38 *** joed_ [n=James@CPE-60-230-63-210.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:41:25 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82E04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:49:58 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has joined #openttd 09:50:36 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82E04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:58:10 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:59:43 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:59:45 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:01:44 <CIA-5> KUDr * r4224 /branch/yapf/ (14 files in 3 dirs): sync with trunk (4213..4323) 10:03:50 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 10:04:00 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181068021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:05 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 10:10:58 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 10:14:21 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:15:42 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:29:14 *** verl [i=verl@c-8b17e155.528-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:33:02 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD6E755.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 10:34:52 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82E04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:37:58 <MiHaMiX> here 10:38:11 * MiHaMiX arrived to the workplace :) 10:38:34 <MiHaMiX> will be here for seven and half hour :( 10:46:29 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176099064.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:49:25 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-16067.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 10:53:53 *** |MeusH| [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 10:54:17 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:54:28 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82E04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:58:25 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7E498.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:13 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has quit ["do coders dream of sheep()?"] 11:00:59 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B82E79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:05:55 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B82E79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 11:08:44 <TL|Away> KUDr: I hope you know you are not as in sync as you think you are... 11:09:03 <TL|Away> Makefile is out of sync 11:09:07 <TL|Away> and some commit about water stuff 11:12:56 <MiHaMiX> :) 11:13:04 <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: did you fixed mailman? :) 11:13:07 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46afa.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:13:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 11:13:15 <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: what is broken about it? 11:13:29 <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: let's through spams 11:14:07 <TL|Away> Funniest thing about that is, that we have nowhere the email address on a site, anyway, as far as I know 11:14:34 <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: wasn't it marked as SPAM on your side? 11:15:02 <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: my openttd-dev mails comes to my gmail account 11:15:42 <TL|Away> but the topic should state: [SPAM] 11:16:46 <TL|Away> Let me check if the spam filter is active at all 11:17:00 <MiHaMiX> hmm, I don't know, since i already marked the mail as spam, which deletes the mail 11:17:19 <TL|Away> spamd is running 11:17:30 <MiHaMiX> ahh, found the mail: 11:17:31 <TL|Away> so the topic should have read: [***SPAM*** Score: ] <real topic> 11:17:32 <MiHaMiX> Tárgy: [OpenTTD - Devs] Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition 11:17:59 <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: I can't find the string you mentioned 11:18:05 <TL|Away> hmmz 11:18:48 <TL|Away> 2006-04-01 11:10:45 1FPe0C-0002az-TO H=(10.20.7.3) [70.237.48.123] F=<Service@Chase.com> rejected after DATA: This message contains malware (HTML.Phishing.Bank-393) 11:18:52 <TL|Away> enough of those 11:19:02 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82E04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:19:06 <TL|Away> 2006-04-01 10:42:56 1FPdZH-0000J4-2U H=201-1-127-188.dsl.telesp.net.br (na-83acb015b3c5) [201.1.127.188] F=<alexcampos42@msn.com> rejected after DATA: This message scored 16.6 points. Congratulations! 11:19:10 <TL|Away> total refuses 11:19:30 <MiHaMiX> yes, as we also do it at the library 11:19:33 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82E04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:19:39 <MiHaMiX> but this one get's through 11:19:50 <MiHaMiX> and another one, at around a week ago 11:21:02 <TL|Away> but this mail is marked at my end as spam 11:21:05 <TL|Away> so a bit weird ;) 11:21:12 <TL|Away> anyway, spam with a score < 5 comes through 11:21:17 <TL|Away> the penalty we have to pay :( 11:21:37 <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: ok, no prob 11:21:52 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 11:23:32 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82E79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:25:11 <TL|Away> It seems that mails routed to mailman aren't scanned at all :s 11:28:17 <TL|Away> Lol, the most spammed address is dominik@openttd.com :p 11:29:38 <TL|Away> ah, in fact, the mailserver keeps 30 spam messages a day away from the maillist 11:30:49 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82E79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 11:30:58 *** Sacro [i=Ben@212.50.172.53] has joined #openttd 11:31:00 <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: ok, I just wanted to know whether the mailserver is broken or the spam was clever to get through 11:31:03 <Sacro> afternoon all 11:31:08 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: hi 11:31:27 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82E79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:31:30 <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: somehow it made it through the first spam filter, but it failed on my second.... abit weird mail :p 11:31:35 <Sacro> MiHaMiX: nice to see you 11:32:01 *** Qball [n=qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:32:35 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: me too :) 11:35:16 <Sacro> have i missed anything? 11:35:34 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: i don't think so :) 11:35:55 <Sacro> MiHaMiX: your very smiley today 11:36:32 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E417.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 11:37:48 *** |MeusH| [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:37:54 *** |MeusH| [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:38:33 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: it's a wonderful saturday.. the sun is shining, the birds are chirping and I'M WORKING in this *#*#@*$#@*$#@* workplace!!! :-( :DD 11:40:12 <Sacro> MiHaMiX: must admit its a pretty nice day, wish i had work to do though, keep me occupied 11:40:41 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: you can't help me now :) not yet :) 11:41:43 <ThePizzaKing> All people who live in the same timezone as me: Don't forget to change your clocks back an hour tonight :) 11:42:05 <ThePizzaKing> I forgot last time, I only realised when my computer time was an hour off 11:42:19 <Sacro> hehe, we changed last weekend 11:42:25 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E7B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:42:28 <KUDr> <TL|Away> KUDr: I hope you know you are not as in sync as you think you are... <-- no, I am more stupid that I seem to be. Will look at it. Thanks 11:42:32 <Sacro> OMG :| anyone seen /. 11:42:46 <ThePizzaKing> we would have but the Commonwealth Games extended it 11:43:36 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: yes :) 11:43:43 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: it's idiotic pink :D 11:43:53 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82E79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:43:53 <Sacro> OMG, PONIES!!! 11:44:23 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: :D 11:44:30 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: lot's of other news site did the same 11:44:35 *** joed_ [n=James@CPE-60-230-63-210.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Client exiting"] 11:44:42 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd ["Leaving"] 11:44:43 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: [[10:55]] <MiHaMiX> http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2006/03/31/393-new-system-call 11:45:06 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: take a look at www.hup.hu, which is the Hungarian Unix Portal :) it's a joke too :D 11:45:41 <ThePizzaKing> did you see the OpenOffice.org one that said they had been bought out by Microsoft? 11:46:12 * Sacro just had to think about OOo's URL 11:47:17 <Sacro> wow, thinkgeek have some excellent products on their front page 11:49:33 <TL|Away> KUDr: most common made mistake: svn merge -r 45:49 && svn merge -r 50:55, doesn't merge revision 49 11:50:20 <KUDr> ahh, i can be my case 11:50:36 <TL|Away> you won't be the first (me looks at Celestar :p) 11:51:04 <KUDr> thanks, i am inexperienced with svn 11:51:21 *** masterconker [i=masterco@lns-bzn-35-82-250-218-156.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:27 *** masterconker [i=masterco@lns-bzn-35-82-250-218-156.adsl.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 11:51:30 <peter1138> afternoon 11:51:32 <peter1138> TL|Away: fixed then? 11:51:38 <MiHaMiX> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/01/china_buys_google/ :DDDDDDD 11:52:30 <TL|Away> peter1138: ? 11:52:37 <peter1138> the makefile 11:52:55 <TL|Away> peter1138: you have to be a bit more clear 11:53:06 <peter1138> 10:32 < TL|Away> peter1138: tnx for also changing the configure :) 11:53:13 <ThePizzaKing> anyway, time for bed' 11:53:16 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 11:53:36 <TL|Away> peter1138: still I don't get what you mean with: fixed then? 11:53:46 <peter1138> is it fixed? 11:54:00 <TL|Away> I was thanking you that you changed the configure together with the makefile, that was all 11:54:00 <peter1138> i mean, it worked for me & darkvater, but that's only 2 cases 11:54:03 <TL|Away> I don't know about any problems :p 11:54:07 <peter1138> oh 11:54:15 <peter1138> why wouldn't i? :P 11:54:20 <peter1138> (i'm not bjarni ;)) 11:54:24 *** |MeusH| is now known as MeusH[away] 11:54:32 <TL|Away> true, and you proofed that :) 11:54:38 <TL|Away> So I thanked you for that :) 11:54:43 <TL|Away> not ment sarcastic for once :p 11:55:44 <peter1138> ah :) 11:56:14 <TL|Away> I know that doesn't happen a lot :p 11:56:28 <Sacro> chinese invade antartica 12:02:33 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:03:52 <Bjarni> TL|Away: actually peter1138 and me wrote the same patch and committed it at the same time. The server rejected mine because there was a commit in progress. Then I updated to the newest revision and all local modifications were gone, so we did it 100% alike 12:04:35 <Bjarni> <peter1138> (i'm not bjarni ;)) <-- then how can we write patches that are 100% identically and commit them at the same time? 12:04:37 <Bjarni> ;) 12:05:13 <Bjarni> that patch modified 4 files, so it was not a one line commit 12:06:12 <peter1138> hehe 12:06:28 * peter1138 goes out again 12:06:43 <Bjarni> I was about to write bbl..... 12:06:51 <Bjarni> stop cloning me 12:07:01 <Bjarni> s/cloning/copying 12:08:29 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82E79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:08:32 <TL|Away> Bjarni: it was a search/replace 12:10:24 <peter1138> yes 12:16:43 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [i=Q@p54A7E498.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:17:15 <Sacro> ooh, the boat race is on 12:17:27 <Sacro> oh no, its a preview, race be tommorow 12:19:50 <Sacro> ooh, yay, nearly time for my happy pills 12:23:42 <Sacro> why do my UKRS mineral wagons look different 12:23:53 <Sacro> is anyone herE? 12:24:06 <Sacro> and if i dissappear, its cos im using the pc during a thunderstorm 12:24:19 *** Qrrbrbirlbel__ [i=Q@p54A7E498.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:52 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82E79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:25:30 <Brianetta> yhey 12:25:31 <Brianetta> they 12:25:41 <Brianetta> look different because they are newer 12:25:49 <MiHaMiX> userfriendly.org is quite funny today :D 12:26:10 <Brianetta> makes a change 12:30:46 <MiHaMiX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_tree :DDDD 12:31:17 <Sacro> hehe, still going strong 12:34:49 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181068021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 12:35:29 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7E498.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:42:22 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [i=Q@p54A7E498.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:45:07 <MiHaMiX> http://gentooexperimental.org/nt/ 12:46:19 <CIA-5> KUDr * r4225 /branch/yapf/ (Makefile water_cmd.c water_map.h): Sync: (hopefully) - thanks TrueLight 12:55:20 <Bjarni> <Sacro> and if i dissappear, its cos im using the pc during a thunderstorm <-- that's a bad idea. It's a geek thing to do. Watching TV is just a stupid thing to do 12:56:09 <Bjarni> last year, somebody watched TV and then the house got hit by lightning and busted the TV, started a fire, that totally wrecked the house 12:56:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: the house opposite my dads got struck during the last thunderstorm i was in 12:57:34 <TL|Away> Bjarni: so you really think if you switch the tv off, it won't start a fire? 12:57:37 <TL|Away> get real 12:57:41 <TL|Away> you need to disconnect it to avoid that 12:57:50 <TL|Away> and then your microwave starts a fire 12:57:54 <TL|Away> or your electric heater 12:58:03 <TL|Away> the chances a fire starts when lighting hits, is around 90% 12:58:10 <TL|Away> (directly hit) 12:58:14 <TL|Away> even if you disconnect everything 12:58:17 <TL|Away> a wire can cause a fire 12:58:35 <TL|Away> so just saying it is stupid that he watched TV while there was lightning is stupid 12:58:57 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:59:43 <Sacro> i didnt see any lightening, it just went dark and i could hear thunder 12:59:54 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:50 <Bjarni> I meant it more like it's adviceable to disconnect the antenna when lightning is directly above you 13:04:17 <Sacro> well yeah, maybe 13:04:26 <TL|Away> we don't have antennas here anymore 13:04:29 <TL|Away> all cable 13:04:51 <Bjarni> <Sacro> i didnt see any lightening, it just went dark and i could hear thunder <-- I tried something like that as well. I woke up by it and the power had gone. The neighbours also woke up, but they turned on the lights... 13:04:53 <peter1138> back 13:04:54 <Sacro> we have aerial, and satellite 13:05:27 <valhalla1w`zzz> TL|Away: not true 13:05:49 <valhalla1w`zzz> digitenne ;) 13:05:56 <Bjarni> later it turned out that a wire had fused so it got replaced and the HFI device broke as well 13:05:57 <TL|Away> valhalla1w`zzz: yeah, which aren't antennas :) 13:06:01 <Bjarni> nothing else happened 13:07:16 <Bjarni> <valhalla1w`zzz> digitenne ;) <-- I have to use a large antenna for catching DVB-T since they placed the transmitter in a far away place. Luckily they decided to use the same as the analogue and the same polarity, so it just works 13:07:28 <Bjarni> they opened the digital net yesterday 13:08:14 <Bjarni> http://alaskarails.org/video/AB/AB-rotary-1.mov <-- something completely different. This is a video of a rotary snowplow in action (in Alaska) 13:08:36 <Bjarni> you got to see it... damn, there is a lot of snow there 13:08:52 <valhalla1w`zzz> .mov :r 13:09:06 * valhalla1w`zzz grabs vlc 13:09:20 <TL|Away> I don't even open it :p 13:09:24 * valhalla1w`zzz searches for quicktime then 13:09:37 *** RoySmeding_ [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 13:09:41 * Bjarni wonders if he can export it to something else 13:10:22 <valhalla1w`zzz> yes you can 13:10:31 <valhalla1w`zzz> if not, I can :p 13:11:11 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has quit ["Que?"] 13:11:24 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:12:16 <valhalla1w`zzz> at least 13:12:31 <valhalla1w`zzz> if virtualdub would've been able enough >:( 13:13:06 <Bjarni> uploading 13:13:24 <Sacro> theres only me playing brianettas nightly :( 13:13:32 <zen--> can you overload a function in c? 13:13:38 <TL|Away> zen--: no 13:14:34 <zen--> how u do it in openttd? appending smth to the function name? 13:15:29 <TL|Away> we aren't sms'ing or MSN'ing in here, so we say things like 'something', improves reading by a factor 5 :p 13:15:48 <TL|Away> but what do you mean, I believe we don't use it anywhere in any way :p 13:17:53 <Bjarni> TL|Away: I uploaded it to openttd.org, but now I can't put it on my homepage (it's quicker than dcc to everybody) 13:18:02 <Bjarni> that is, if it would display :p 13:20:04 <zen--> also 13:20:21 <zen--> what r u fixing at openttd atm 13:46:52 *** SpComb [i=terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 13:49:10 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 13:50:42 <Sacro> damnit, fell for google romance :( 13:51:30 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has quit [] 13:51:32 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has joined #openttd 13:53:15 <zen--> but what about static variables 13:53:24 <zen--> shall i define them inside .c ? 13:53:25 <zen--> and 13:53:26 <peter1138> ... 13:53:31 <zen--> when shall i use extern on it 13:53:43 <zen--> if its used in multiple .c files? 13:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni (i believe it was you): something's odd with the wagon replace... i got a train that got it's wagons replaced, but only half of them refitted. now i got a train that carries half lifestock and half goods :( 13:57:05 *** Hinrik [i=hinrik@ns.hax.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:57:52 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has quit [] 13:57:54 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has joined #openttd 14:04:31 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:06:20 <TL|Away> [15:53:14] <zen--> but what about static variables 14:06:20 <TL|Away> [15:53:31] <zen--> when shall i use extern on it 14:06:23 <TL|Away> what is wrong here..... 14:07:05 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: could you give some more details? 14:07:10 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has joined #openttd 14:07:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm not entirely sure how it happened... 14:07:28 <Bjarni> like is it only one type of wagons and do you have enough money to refit all of them? 14:07:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> i just noticed the train after a while running 14:08:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is very probable that i was low on money during that time 14:08:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> i use the DBSetXL 14:08:23 <Bjarni> hmm 14:08:32 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:08:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> and upgraded from the first goods van (refited to livestock) to the second 14:09:29 <Bjarni> the replacing is a loop, so it treats the first one the same way as the last one 14:09:39 <Bjarni> it's not like something special happens after say 5 wagons 14:10:01 <Bjarni> so lack of money is the only thing that I can think of could be the cause 14:10:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> but should it not rather check that before attempting? 14:10:37 <Bjarni> maybe the minimum of 0 should not be allowed 14:11:00 <Bjarni> the problem is that it can't figure out the refit cost before the unit is build 14:11:17 <peter1138> why not? 14:11:39 <TL|Away> why not? 14:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is an information that should really be available in the build vehicles dialog... 14:12:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> as well as the possible refit options... 14:14:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> à propos refit... in the DBSetXL readme it states that the main line cars can be refitted to 'Rheingold' look, is there any particular reason why this does not work in OTTD? 14:14:59 <peter1138> yes 14:15:06 <peter1138> we don't support livery refitting 14:15:09 <Bjarni> hmm 14:15:18 <Bjarni> maybe it is possible to figure it out 14:15:31 <Bjarni> I have to say that I didn't try very hard to do it 14:15:38 <Bjarni> and then I forgot about it 14:15:42 <peter1138> :) 14:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> another thing... wagon replace from 'Passenger Coach' to 'Passenger Coach (local)' does not work at all... 14:16:52 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181068021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:17:14 <Bjarni> it should 14:17:19 <Bjarni> both of them carries passengers 14:18:11 <Bjarni> but I don't think I actually tested this feature with the DB set 14:18:41 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@217.123.34.28] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:18:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> replacing to main line works 14:19:22 <zen--> ... 14:19:38 <zen--> how do you handle strings in openttd? 14:19:52 <peter1138> with a string system 14:20:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> *mental note: do not hit F1 to (un)pause while not in OTTD window* 14:21:00 <TL|Away> zen--: start with reading the Development section on the wiki 14:21:04 <TL|Away> it answers a lot of your questions 14:21:08 <TL|Away> including code-style 14:22:15 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: hmm, how strange 14:22:24 * peter1138 attacks it 14:23:11 <peter1138> can't replace from main line to plain either 14:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> maybe it has to do with one being refittable and the others not? 14:24:36 <peter1138> shouldn't think so 14:28:41 *** zen-- [n=zen@88-196-42-171-dsl.noe.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:30:56 *** DarkSSH [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:30:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 14:31:01 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 14:31:12 *** mode/#openttd [-o Darkvater] by Darkvater 14:31:18 <TL|Away> Darkvater: nice work on the configure :) 14:31:22 *** zen-- [n=zen@88-196-42-171-dsl.noe.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 14:31:29 <Darkvater> hmm 14:31:32 <Bjarni> cost = _price.ship_base >> 7; <-- how can that be the refit cost for ships? 14:32:17 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:32:24 <Bjarni> is it just that refitting costs the same nomatter what cargo you switch between? 14:32:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> errrr.... wtf? 14:32:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> the autoreplace bought an electric engine in a non electric depot 14:33:05 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 14:33:11 <guru3> oops? 14:33:18 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: what? 14:33:23 <Bjarni> that should not be possible 14:33:40 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: are you sure? 14:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 14:34:14 <Bjarni> then it's a bug in CmdBuildRailVeh 14:34:25 <Bjarni> post it on flyspray 14:34:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> i was replacing BR 38 with ET-87 14:34:48 <Bjarni> it's more like an elrail bug than an autoreplace bug 14:34:56 <Bjarni> autoreplace just calls the build command 14:35:35 <Bjarni> I think what happens is that the GUI prevents you from building it manually, but you can get the command to do it, so autoreplace can 14:35:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> ET-87 is a pretty special engine... it has 0hp and gets its power from wagon override 14:35:50 <Bjarni> oh 14:35:54 <Bjarni> that one 14:36:12 <peter1138> it as 1hp actually 14:36:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> it says 0 14:36:22 <peter1138> it's still just an electric engine 14:36:37 <Bjarni> I guess it's a conflict between newgrf and elrails then 14:36:55 <Bjarni> peter1138: will you take a look at this. I don't know how this engine behaves 14:36:55 <peter1138> ... 14:37:02 <peter1138> it's an electric engine 14:37:18 <peter1138> this bug is nothing to do with newgrf 14:37:22 <Bjarni> but if it is a normal electric engine, then why did this happen? 14:37:45 <peter1138> because there's a bug? 14:37:54 <peter1138> i can't convert an electric engine to non-electric 14:39:30 <zen--> how do you protect code against null pointer errors? 14:39:36 <zen--> doing lots of assert? 14:40:16 <peter1138> by debugging and removing the errors 14:40:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh, and while "electric rail" is selected, the wagon replace GUI does not work at all... 14:40:33 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: it works, but not very well 14:40:34 <Sacro> strange 14:42:21 <Bjarni> yeah, it appears to happen for all electric engines 14:42:23 <Bjarni> hmm 14:42:53 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: well, we don't have any wagons, that can drive on electric rails only ;) 14:43:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: well, it shows wagons 14:43:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> but the scrollbar does not work 14:43:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> and it does not let me activate the replace 14:44:05 <peter1138> s 14:44:20 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: damn 14:44:23 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: you're right 14:44:25 <peter1138> it's the refit thing 14:44:31 <peter1138> it knows it can't refit the wagon 14:44:39 <peter1138> it doesn't check if it's the same cargo in the first place... 14:46:56 * peter1138 fixifies 14:50:55 *** Hinrik [i=hinrik@ns.hax.is] has joined #openttd 14:53:14 <CIA-5> bjarni * r4226 /trunk/train_cmd.c: 14:53:14 <CIA-5> -Fix: [elrails] it's no longer possible to build electric engines in non-electric depots 14:53:14 <CIA-5> this prevents autoreplace to replace to electric engines before the line in question got catenary 14:53:25 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: update 14:53:29 <Sacro> w00t for Bjarni 14:53:40 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4227 /trunk/vehicle.c: - Fix: Wagon replace nows checks if the cargo types are the same before seeing if it can refit. 14:55:14 <peter1138> Bjarni: s/to replace/from replacing/ 14:55:29 <Bjarni> hmm 14:55:40 <Bjarni> I guess you are right 14:55:42 <peter1138> you prevents something from doing something, not to do something 14:55:47 <Bjarni> doesn't matter. People get the message :) 14:56:01 <peter1138> #openttd, your personal english lesson ;) 14:57:23 <Bjarni> :p 14:57:58 <Bjarni> almost as goud als Engrish 14:58:28 <Sacro> Bjarnis drunk 14:58:46 <Bjarni> !slap Sacro 14:58:48 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Bjarni knows that Sacro married a burnout c64 long ago. 14:58:52 <Bjarni> I'm never drunk 14:59:16 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: but you act like you do so :) 14:59:43 <Bjarni> yeah, I did that on purpose 14:59:45 <Bjarni> well 14:59:54 <Bjarni> more like, I acted like English is a hard language 15:00:24 <Bjarni> even though I'm way better at English than say Chinese 15:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> great, now it only upgrades the engine if electric depot, and it can upgrade the wagons now, BUT... it does not upgrade the wagons if the engine replace failed! 15:00:34 <MiHaMiX> me too :D 15:01:09 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: hmm 15:02:03 <Bjarni> you are right (I know that even without reading the code). I didn't write this with elrails in mind :s 15:04:24 <peter1138> mmm, maya gold 15:11:32 <CIA-5> bjarni * r4228 /trunk/vehicle.c: -Fix: [autoreplace] allow replacement of wagons even when the engine fails to be replaced 15:11:41 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: here is yet another commit for you 15:11:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> yay \o/ 15:12:47 <Darkvater> Bjarni: you should write this railtype agonistic 15:13:00 <Darkvater> cause it'll suck big time if more types are added, especially plugin-mode 15:13:23 <Bjarni> write it where? 15:13:45 <Darkvater> in the code 15:13:51 <Bjarni> most likely I agree with you once I figure out what you mean 15:14:16 <Bjarni> !whatis agonistic 15:14:18 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Agonistic \Ag`o*nis"tic\, Agonistical \Ag`o*nis"tic*al\, a. Pertaining to violent contests, bodily or mental; pertaining to athletic or polemic feats; athletic; combative; hence, strained; unnatural. | As a scholar, he was brilliant, but he consumed his power in agonistic displays. --De Quincey. agonistic adj 1: of or relating to the athletic contests held in ancient Greece 2: striving to overcome in argument; "a dialectical a 15:15:10 <Darkvater> Bjarni: just try to write this independent of what railtypes there are available 15:15:12 <Bjarni> I'm still don't really get what you mean 15:15:29 <Bjarni> ahh, like that 15:15:38 <Bjarni> that is what I try to do 15:16:47 <Bjarni> I didn't really write anything about railtypes as I leave it to CmdBuild(vehicle type) to figure out if I can build the vehicle in question on the tile in question 15:16:52 <Bjarni> this makes additions much easier 15:17:11 <Bjarni> the fix in elrails was a bug in elrails, it was just not triggerable though the GUI 15:19:18 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4229 /trunk/vehicle_gui.c: 15:19:18 <CIA-5> [elrail & autoreplace] Always show compatible rail vehicles in the left list, and only the selected rail type in the right list, to 15:19:18 <CIA-5> allow converting electric engines to non-electric. 15:21:42 <peter1138> tum te tum 15:26:17 <Sacro> peter1138: tractive effort? 15:27:34 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:28:33 *** MeusH[away] is now known as MeusH 15:28:35 <MeusH> back 15:28:55 <Sacro> wb MeusH 15:35:26 <Sacro> i think my train has a broken regulator 15:35:40 <Sacro> its got absolutly no acceleration 15:36:51 <peter1138> hm 15:49:04 *** SpComb [i=terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 15:49:51 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-141-200-9.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 15:55:31 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away] 15:57:19 *** Stumo [i=stjm2@student.cusu.cam.ac.uk] has quit ["leaving"] 15:59:22 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82E79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:59:22 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82E79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:08:50 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B84D89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 16:09:39 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84D89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:10:20 <Bjarni> Sacro: explain 16:10:54 <Sacro> Bjarni: i told a train to 180, to get it on the right line, however it had no acceleration as it set off 16:14:26 *** Rockj [i=Rockj@163.84-48-53.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:15:19 <Rockj> A quick question, when hosting a server, which port to open in router? :) 16:15:55 <Sacro> 3979, UDP + TCP 16:16:39 <Rockj> nice, I never though I would be playing this game again. 16:16:57 <Sacro> yeah, me too, and now i get the feeling ill never stop playing it 16:17:05 <Rockj> hehe 16:18:51 <Rockj> btw, the devlopement of a new AI sounds interesting. 16:19:28 <Sacro> yeah it should be, the old one is useless 16:19:37 <Sacro> however i prefer playing online against real people 16:21:02 <Rockj> I want to game later, I'm not that good tho. 16:21:04 <Rockj> hehe 16:27:31 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has joined #openttd 16:30:56 <Sacro> grr im bored 16:32:53 <Rockj> wanna play? :) 16:33:14 <Sacro> im already playing one game 16:33:29 <Sacro> grrrrrrrrr, i hate sites that dont accept .me.uk 16:33:44 <Rockj> oh =/ What's special about .me.uk ? 16:34:05 <Sacro> nothing, i own my personal domain, yet some sites dont have it as valid 16:34:39 <Sacro> now thats strange... my site comes up with 404 16:34:41 *** zen-- [n=zen@88-196-42-171-dsl.noe.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:35:03 <Sacro> something tells me my account hasnt been paid for 16:35:46 <Rockj> should be good enough that the root-dnsservers accepts it if I'm not wrong. Then your site should work everywhere. 16:37:28 <SimonRC> what's the domain? 16:37:49 <Sacro> benwoodward.me.uk 16:38:04 <Sacro> strangely ive not recieved any mail on it for a month or 2 16:38:32 <Rockj> 404. 16:38:34 <SimonRC> "benwoodward.me.uk. 10800 IN A 212.227.119.112" 16:38:50 <Sacro> it should forward to my lycos space 16:39:33 <SimonRC> The domain is working fine. 16:39:33 <Sacro> status: locked - thats not looking hopeful 16:40:10 <SimonRC> 404 is a response from the *server*. 16:41:21 <Sacro> theyve changed my admin section around, i cant figure it out 16:41:41 <SimonRC> ftp is working fine 16:41:50 <Rockj> hum, need to find correct package that installs dig.. 16:42:03 <Sacro> i can go on my "account" section, but not the "administration" section 16:42:39 <SimonRC> I'm running nmap on it. 16:43:29 <SimonRC> nmap needs -P0 to scan it... 16:43:41 <Sacro> SimonRC: no idea what that means 16:43:42 <Rockj> there is no MX records on that domain.. 16:44:01 <SimonRC> how long has the domain existed? 16:44:10 <SimonRC> these things sometimes take a few hours 16:44:29 <SimonRC> Well, ftp and ssh are open. 16:44:43 <Rockj> or hum. ssh, ignore me 16:44:52 <Sacro> SimonRC: had it about 3 years 16:45:58 <SimonRC> the follow ports are marked "closed": 16:45:59 <SimonRC> H.323/Q.931 X11 X11:1 X11:2 X11:3 X11:4 X11:5 X11:6 X11:7 X11:8 X11:9 16:45:59 <SimonRC> acmsoda afs3-fileserver aol arcserve auth cvspserver domain finger 16:45:59 <SimonRC> imap imaps imtc-mcs irc irc-serv ldap ldapssl mmcc napster nntp pop3 16:45:59 <SimonRC> remoteanything rsync smtp telnet whois xmail-ctrl z39.50 16:47:35 *** Woody4u [i=woodwork@gentoo.woody4u.com] has joined #openttd 16:47:56 <Woody4u> hi question: is it possibill to transfer money to another player in multiplayer game? 16:48:39 <SimonRC> NAFAIK 16:48:58 <Sacro> Woody4u: yeah it is 16:49:07 <Sacro> Woody4u: however not from your loan 16:49:21 <Woody4u> Scia: and how? 16:50:32 <Sacro> hang on, checking (also on phone, listening to Air on a G String) 16:51:18 <Sacro> click and hold down on the guy in the top hat, go to "client list", click and hold on the person to send it to, and "send money" 16:51:19 <Sacro> i think 16:52:13 * Sacro sits on the phone to his hosting providor 16:55:48 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 16:58:07 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-16067.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:05:41 <Sacro> half sorted now 17:07:33 <Born_Acorn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenTTD < added an infobox 17:08:10 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80F23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:09:23 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: nice 17:13:42 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B80F23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/ottd2.jpg <- that is one masterpiece of a junction ;) 17:17:01 <Sacro> i think its unneccesarily complicated 17:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> it basically has grown that way... 17:17:36 <C-Otto> well, sharp turns are bad 17:17:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> and it is working fine ;) 17:17:50 <C-Otto> ottd still crashes my computer :( 17:18:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are around 40 trains going through that junction 17:19:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> at 80 km/h 17:19:28 <Sacro> i dont do k's 17:19:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> sharp junctions are only a problem for high speed trains 17:20:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> sharp turns i mean 17:20:40 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: use png, not jpg 17:20:45 <Bjarni> it looks much better ;) 17:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but i have to install that first ;) 17:21:19 <Bjarni> fink install libpng3 17:21:49 <Bjarni> that is, unless you got a system, that makes it more complicated than it have to be ;) 17:22:13 <Bjarni> jpg sucks, specially for OTTD screenshots 17:22:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is windows :p 17:22:27 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:22:27 <Bjarni> oh I'm sorry 17:22:38 <Bjarni> wait a minute 17:22:45 <Bjarni> you almost had me 17:22:56 <Bjarni> but not completely 17:23:11 <Bjarni> you see, people aren't going to fool ME on the first of April 17:23:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> hehe ;) 17:24:23 <Bjarni> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/ottd2.jpg <-- looks very much like you should know about computers and then shortly afterwards you claim to use windows 17:24:39 <Bjarni> somehow there is a mismatch. I caught your sorry attempt to fool me :p 17:25:09 <Bjarni> I mean the informatik @ uni part should indicate that you know about computers 17:25:27 <Sacro> i must say, the window decorations do look like Windows 17:25:32 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84D89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:25:32 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B84D89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but i am too lazy to work into linux 17:26:30 <Bjarni> you could have a great future in OpenTTD development, but being so lazy that you do not even install libpng, I somehow skip that idea 17:26:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> i am more a guy of the theory... 17:28:31 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B8068B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:29:18 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B8068B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:31:28 <Rockj> Bjarni: You didn't know that MS buyd up the whole opensource community?! Omg. 17:33:41 <MeusH[away]> that's terrific 17:33:42 <MeusH[away]> umm 17:33:44 <MeusH[away]> terrible 17:33:54 *** MeusH[away] is now known as MeusH 17:33:59 <MeusH> I hope it will be still free 17:34:03 <Rockj> indeed, you have top stop it Bjarni! 17:34:04 <MeusH> because MS sux 17:34:05 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3CDB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:34:26 <MeusH> and microsoft is not a fool's day company 17:34:29 <MeusH> it is serious 17:34:31 <MeusH> and evil 17:38:46 <Bjarni> even though Rockj is joking, it's actually true 17:39:13 <Rockj> I'm not joking =/ 17:39:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> we have already established that apple is a fools day company 17:39:28 <SimonRC> /me goes to dinner 17:39:32 <SimonRC> .away dinner 17:39:34 * SimonRC goes to dinner 17:39:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> cannot find -lgw32c <- ok, what did i do wrong? 17:40:02 *** Richk67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 17:40:27 <Bjarni> <Rockj> I'm not joking =/ <-- it's the DMG or DRG or whatever it's called 17:40:56 <Bjarni> they can't stop the software, then they force the hardware to run MS approved software only 17:41:10 <Bjarni> and let's guess that linux can't get that approval 17:42:02 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80F23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:42:11 <MeusH> hmm 17:42:15 <MeusH> Bjarni, you're so right 17:42:19 <Richk67> hi meush 17:42:25 <MeusH> but the black market would develop 17:42:31 <MeusH> hello RichK76 17:42:33 <MeusH> 67 17:42:34 <MeusH> sorry 17:42:39 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[brb] 17:42:44 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B80F23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:42:47 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: you get libpng on gnuwin32.sf.net? 17:42:55 <Richk67> hey i dont mind... you just lopped 9 years off ;) 17:43:14 <Sacro> whoo ./ have a review of Duke Nukem Forever 17:43:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> i typed libpng in google and clicked me through to the binaries 17:43:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> dunno where that landed me 17:43:55 <glx> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/libgw32c.htm 17:44:27 <Richk67> bjarni: what gives with the changed entry in Makefile.config.... libpng-config.... becomes libpng_config... 17:45:03 <MiHaMiX> bbl, going home :) 17:46:28 * Vornicus wanders around the forums, trying to figure out what patches there are out there. 17:46:59 <Richk67> vornicus: yeah, its a nightmare trying to find some patches 17:47:38 <Richk67> vornicus: if i ever get around to putting up my ottd website, ill want to include a patch registry 17:47:38 <glx> Richk67: LIBPNG-CONFIG=libpng-config becomes LIBPNG_CONFIG=libpng-config 17:48:24 <Richk67> glx: it just was annoying... had to go edit all my configs, for a typo change 17:48:28 <Vornicus> there's more airports, 32bpp, terragenesis... 17:49:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> i _knew_ it was a bad idea to even try to attempt this! 17:49:22 <Richk67> vornicus: the integrated nightly had 26+ patches, and that was before speed signs, 3 airports, yet more airports (this w/e), TGP, etc. 17:49:25 <Sacro> hmm, weathers bad 17:50:14 <Richk67> vornicus: worst thing is the number of patches out there from pre-r3000. very few will work in current without major mods 17:50:40 <Vornicus> indeed. 17:50:54 *** Woody4u [i=woodwork@gentoo.woody4u.com] has left #openttd [] 17:50:55 <peter1138> Richk67: sdl-config isn't a valid variable name 17:51:03 <peter1138> er, SDL-CONFIG, that is 17:51:08 <peter1138> SDL_CONFIG is 17:51:34 <Richk67> next integrated nightly will have a LOT less patches, as most need massive rewrite work 17:52:26 <Richk67> peter1138: its ok, it was just a niggly grumble about doing an update only for my (old) working Makefile to barf with libpng errors 17:52:37 <peter1138> yeah 17:52:48 <peter1138> the problem is, it was barfing without the fix 17:52:57 <peter1138> it just happened to work sometimes 17:53:13 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:53:49 <Richk67> peter1138: only took about 2mins per download to fix.... prob is I have 4 copies of trunk for my various devs... :) (always worked for my mingw32 sys) 17:54:19 <SpComb> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 17:54:40 <Sacro> hmm, encryption 17:55:07 <SpComb> hardly 17:55:22 <Richk67> btw... discovered something *really* useful about rotating airports - the FTA state machine *does not need to change*... only the position data changes, so in effect, once you have solved an airport in one direction, you can easily have it in the other 17:56:31 *** test [n=test@host122-75.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 17:56:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is, as long as you have the graphics, i assume 17:56:36 <test> hey 17:56:45 <Sacro> hey test 17:56:59 <Richk67> created the graphics yesterday - all 4 angles of hangar, and the runway in N-S direction :) 17:57:08 <test> I need to report a security bug in the game 17:57:12 <peter1138> nice 17:57:54 <Vornicus> a security bug? 17:58:14 <Sacro> svn blame on standby 17:58:20 <test> yes, I wanted to send a mail to the developers but on the contact page is suggested to use irc 17:58:22 <SpComb> test :o 17:58:32 <peter1138> well go ahead 17:58:45 <Sacro> the devs are usually found in here 17:58:52 *** Rockj [i=Rockj@163.84-48-53.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:59:52 <test> so who can I contact directly for reporting the problem? 18:00:05 <glx> just tell it here 18:00:15 <Sacro> test: point it out in here, and the relevant persons will see it 18:00:36 <Richk67> "ask your questions, old man. i am not afraid" 18:00:59 <test> I prefer to use e-mail, anyway... the bug is located in GetStringWithArgs 18:01:07 <test> if (index >= _langtab_num[tab]) { 18:01:07 <test> error( 18:01:28 <test> in short if a client send an invalid error (a big one) the server terminates immediately 18:01:40 <test> I have also written a proof-of-concept for testing the vulnerability 18:03:25 <test> the source file with the function is strings.c 18:03:38 <SpComb> how rare 18:04:10 * SpComb happily goes off to trash all the openttd servers, everyone always knew TTD Patch was better! 18:05:00 <Richk67> it would be easier to exploit the first error condition in that routine: if (GB(string, 0, 16) == 0) error("!invalid string id 0 in GetString"); 18:05:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> damnit, i give up... 18:05:26 <test> no because that value is used by the server, you cannot provide it 18:05:59 *** Cipriano [n=cipri@a47034.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:06:16 <Richk67> well index and tab both come from string, and the _langtab_num[tab] is the servers files 18:06:19 <SpComb> hmm, error handling on malformed client data? 18:06:57 <test> Rich I have tried many ways for checking if the first error() was exploited but I failed 18:07:12 <test> yes, the client simply needs to use a big error number 18:09:08 <Richk67> so if you have your modded client, does this kill a stable 0.4.5 server? 18:09:25 <Vornicus> Or an 0.4.7 server? or a nightly one? 18:09:27 <test> I have written my own program which "kills" 0.4.7 too 18:09:55 <Richk67> 0.4.7 manages that on its own ;) ;P (kidding) 18:10:10 <peter1138> it's not really a security bug 18:10:19 <peter1138> it'll just cause the server to terminate 18:10:37 <test> so it's a security bug 18:10:38 <Vornicus> that in itself is a security bug - it's a denial of service. 18:10:45 <Richk67> integrity issue, not security 18:10:45 <peter1138> well 18:10:49 <peter1138> Richk67: yeah 18:11:04 <peter1138> a buffer overflow i'd consider a security bug 18:11:08 <test> security bugs are not only format strings and bof 18:11:30 <peter1138> but still 18:11:40 <peter1138> if a client can kill a server we need to fix ot 18:11:43 <peter1138> *it 18:12:05 <test> if you want I can link you to my PoC 18:12:08 <Richk67> yeah, worth torpedoing... 18:12:43 <peter1138> poc? 18:12:55 <peter1138> oh 18:12:56 <peter1138> concept 18:13:02 <peter1138> please 18:14:34 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80929.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:14:47 <test> can I link it here or is better if I send you a mail? 18:14:59 <peter1138> link here 18:15:22 <test> http://aluigi.altervista.org/poc/openttdx.zip 18:15:23 * Darkvater is in a bad need of trashing some servers 18:18:24 <test> the network code of your game is good, finding a bug in it has been not easy 18:18:49 <Sacro> test: you enjoyed the challenge then? 18:19:19 <peter1138> heh 18:19:22 <test> I have liked to test it 18:24:41 <Darkvater> it's always good to hear a praise test :) 18:25:26 * Vornicus finds yet another patch he'd heard about, yellow signals. 18:26:20 <test> I have focused my tests only on the server, I'm curious to know if the client's code is secure like the server's one 18:26:30 <test> but actually I'm too tired 8-) 18:26:39 <Darkvater> Luigi :) 18:26:49 <Vornicus> Only one way to find out. Smack it around until it falls over. 18:27:28 <Darkvater> test: well I hope it's safe cause it uses an established TCP connection with the server, so only accepts commands from there 18:27:54 <Darkvater> althogh I don't think there have been many tests what would happen if you connect to an altered server 18:27:56 <test> Dark, the server could be the attacker 18:28:02 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80929.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 18:29:08 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80929.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:29:24 <Richk67> vornicus: there is a list of patches, and a "repaired" set of them for the integrated nightly, here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=387683#387683 but as you can see, that is for r3464, so many are out of date 18:29:36 * Darkvater hopes there won't be too many insecurities with clients since it's the same code and probably you'll just desync 18:29:48 <Richk67> on the other hand, my versions of them are often more up-to-date than the originals!! 18:31:38 <Darkvater> bleh, I gotta go sleep; need to get up at 5am tomorrow :( 18:31:44 <Darkvater> gn all 18:31:48 <Vornicus> what revision are we on right now? 18:31:50 <MeusH[brb]> goodnight DV 18:31:52 *** MeusH[brb] is now known as Meush 18:31:56 <Meush> hey RichK67 18:31:58 <Meush> I'm back 18:32:03 <Vornicus> 4229? 18:32:07 <Richk67> cya DV, hiya MeusH 18:32:10 <Meush> sorry, I was working in the garden :) 18:32:11 <test> bye Dark 18:32:12 <MiHaMiX> here 18:32:16 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: bye 18:32:27 <Vornicus> Richk67: that's awesome 18:33:00 <peter1138> i guess a simple solution would be to change error to debug and return an empty string... or somesuch 18:33:00 <Richk67> vornicus: nope i mean the 3464 patches work at 3464. many were from pre-r3000, but i updated them to 3464 (took about 12 hours!) 18:33:23 <Vornicus> I mean what revision is the current svn on? 18:33:33 <Richk67> 4200+ 18:33:49 <Vornicus> Man. 18:34:14 <Richk67> so thats over 800 updates since my 3464 end of jan 18:34:17 * Vornicus considers that he needs to learn how ottd works internally anyway, so... 18:34:37 <Sacro> Vornicus: its all magic 18:34:40 <Vornicus> I may end up attempting to update some of these patches to a newer thing. 18:34:45 <Richk67> and some are biggies... elrails for instance 18:34:51 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B8068B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:35:08 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B8068B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:35:44 <Vornicus> Which are currently in trunk. 18:35:50 *** Qrrbrbirlbel__ [i=Q@p54A7E498.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://mir.ist-langweilig.de/oh_man.jpg/"] 18:37:02 <Richk67> yeah, but big changes to trunk usually mean patches get out of date 18:38:14 <peter1138> hmm 18:38:19 <peter1138> this test program isn't working :/ 18:38:39 <test> doesn't work??? 18:38:52 <peter1138> gets to receive map data 18:38:55 <peter1138> prints a line of dots 18:38:57 <peter1138> and then stops 18:39:11 <test> probably you can help me here 18:39:48 <test> what's the last command sent by the server for saying that the map is finished? 18:40:02 <test> I check for PACKET_SERVER_MAP and MAP_PACKET_END 18:41:24 <Darkvater> heh, I'm back :P 18:41:28 <Richk67> bbl 18:41:32 *** Richk67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 18:42:01 <Darkvater> I think the cleanest solution is to check for this in network_server.c:897 18:42:19 <Darkvater> eg where this errorno is blindly offset into the str_ strings 18:42:43 <peter1138> mmm 18:42:48 <Darkvater> that's why I am more happy with using inline lookup tables instead of the blind offset. Then you can easily check with lengthof() 18:43:27 <Darkvater> this probably applies to the other commands as well like PACKET_SERVER_ERROR_QUIT 18:43:58 <test> I have already tested PACKET_SERVER_ERROR_QUIT but found nothing 18:44:15 <Darkvater> with invalid server this would crash in network_client.c:687 18:44:23 <Darkvater> test: it's exactly the same there though 18:44:34 <Darkvater> GetString(str, STR_NETWORK_ERR_CLIENT_GENERAL + errorno); 18:44:38 <test> oh sorry I confused it with client_quit 18:45:48 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80929.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 18:45:51 <Darkvater> :) 18:46:01 <test> ehm, so peter what you suggest to me to know when the received map is finished? 18:46:13 <Darkvater> the test-program worked here though 18:46:20 <Darkvater> with 0.4.7 18:49:21 <peter1138> Darkvater: like http://195.112.37.102/ottd/possfix.diff ? 18:49:28 <peter1138> test: that test should work o_O 18:49:33 <Darkvater> all right! vs2003 crashes every time I open the solution 18:49:37 <Darkvater> fckin' 18:49:39 <peter1138> lol 18:50:00 * Darkvater slaps peter1138 for being rude 18:50:12 <test> peter, you said that my tool wasn't working 18:50:33 <peter1138> is it known to work under linux? 18:50:46 <test> yes 18:50:51 <Darkvater> peter1138: that only works for an invalid client. An invalid server will still crash it 18:50:51 <peter1138> ok 18:51:28 <peter1138> line 151? 18:52:12 <Darkvater> yeah, test program doesn't work with trunk/ 18:52:25 <peter1138> patches? 18:52:39 <peter1138> oh, that's just the savegame 18:52:39 <peter1138> hmm 18:52:52 <Darkvater> no patches as well, that chunk is not sent anymore 18:53:12 <test> excuse me dark, is trunk the cvs version? 18:53:16 <Darkvater> peter1138: yes 151 as well, and probably all others 18:53:19 <Darkvater> test: yes 18:53:23 <peter1138> svn :) 18:53:33 <Darkvater> damnz but I really must offski 18:53:38 <Darkvater> best to do it completely safely 18:53:40 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 18:54:08 *** verl [i=verl@c-8b17e155.528-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 18:56:26 <glx> the test prog hangs after receive map, but if any client or the server use chat feature, the server is killed 18:56:39 <peter1138> hmm 18:57:01 <peter1138> yes 18:57:17 <test> now I'm compiling r4229 so I can make my tool compatible with it too 18:57:35 <peter1138> well my patch certainly fixes against this tool 18:58:09 <test> I have contacted you just for this reason 8-) 18:58:22 <peter1138> and thank you :) 19:01:03 *** Harteex_Kullavik [n=harteex@h163n2fls306o838.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:01:27 <test> exists a way for avoiding the downloading of the map and reaching the status needed for sending the error? 19:02:27 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.22.230] has quit ["Gotta get to sleep so I can get up in a few hours and go out of town. 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[Time wasted online: 11hrs 53mins 40secs] 19:03:07 <test> fixed my tool, just use (buff[1] < 2) instead of (buff[1] != MAP_PACKET_END) 19:03:24 <test> line 284 19:05:15 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80929.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:07:23 <glx> test: yes now it works :) 19:09:01 <test> good, I have updated also the poc and it's precompiled version on my website 19:09:44 <glx> compiled myself on windows using mingw (needed to #define sleep Sleep) 19:09:53 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:56 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@217.123.34.28] has joined #openttd 19:10:23 <test> I use Mingw too, I have inserted the #define sleep Sleep directly in stdlib.h 19:10:32 <test> it's a pain that Mingw has not it by default 19:11:55 <glx> peter1138: your patch fixes it :) 19:16:14 <Born_Acorn> The first ever OpenTTD version was released March 04, and two years later, 0.4.7 is released in the same month. 19:16:20 <Born_Acorn> What a coincidence. 19:16:25 <hylje> :z 19:17:11 <test> a curiosity, have you written all this game from scratch? isn't it a huge work? 19:17:29 <hylje> most games have been written from scratch 19:20:36 <Sacro> most? 19:20:57 <hylje> some games use licenced engines, others use a shared codebase 19:21:26 <test> like the Doom engines which are almost all based on Zdoom 19:21:29 <Born_Acorn> Others are like OpenTTD! 19:22:48 <Sacro> thats true i suppose 19:22:58 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: GRAPHICS! 19:23:57 <Born_Acorn> yes yes yes. 19:24:37 <Born_Acorn> But first, you make Office Assistants for OpenTTD. "It looks like you are trying to build a depot, I suggest connecting it to a railway" 19:25:00 <Born_Acorn> "Welcome to OpenTTD, what would you like to do today?" 19:25:08 <hylje> that would own 19:25:09 <hylje> not 19:25:17 <Meush> Born_Acorn: dominate the world 19:25:41 <Born_Acorn> I have done so already. 19:25:48 * Meush thinks of Thinky and Brain cartoon (with two white mouses wanting to dominate the world) 19:25:51 <Born_Acorn> Every world leader in the world works for me. 19:26:18 <Born_Acorn> After that, everything got boring. 19:29:25 <Vornicus> pinky and the brain. 19:29:35 <Sacro> yay ! 19:29:51 <Sacro> What shall we do tonight Brain? 19:30:00 <peter1138> beer 19:30:07 <Sacro> Same thing we do everynight Pinky, try to take over the world. 19:37:18 <Meush> Great, Sacro 19:37:29 <Meush> I don't remember it as good :| 19:38:21 <Sacro> Meush: its still on tv over here, I still watch it 19:38:35 <Meush> lucky you 19:38:46 <Meush> I haven't seen a cartoon for a very long time :( 19:39:26 <test> well guys I exit, do you know when the 0.4.9 version will be released? 19:39:41 <Sacro> test: give them chance for 0.4.8 19:39:48 <test> ops sorry 8-) 19:39:49 <Sacro> Meush: dont you have a tv? 19:46:58 <Bjarni> <test> ops sorry 8-) <-- I see that my test subject arrived :) 19:47:10 <Bjarni> now I will have to spend all night in the lab again 19:47:51 *** Cipri [n=cipri@a47034.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:48:19 <TL|Away> test: let's see if you can find the bug that crashes every client that requests the masterserver-server-list :p 19:49:15 <test> the master server is centralized so finding bugs in the client<->ms connection is useless, could be more interesting to find... 19:49:26 <test> if exist bugs in the handling of the data reported by the servers 19:49:39 <test> when you contact them after having received the servers list from the ms 19:49:50 <Bjarni> TL|Away: don't steal my test subject to make your own tests. Find your own one 19:50:06 <TL|Away> He, I never said what caused a total crash... :) The data-protocol itself is pretty safe... jsut the handling has problems :) 19:50:30 *** Richk67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 19:50:31 <TL|Away> Bjarni: no, he is mine, he wants to test the networking :) 19:50:47 <Bjarni> bah 19:50:48 <Bjarni> ok 19:51:01 <Harteex_Kullavik> I have a save with a path finding bug where buses just go round and round and round... should I post that, or are those scenarios usual? 19:51:13 * Bjarni goes to look for another brain to hijack for his human machine interface test 19:51:33 <TL|Away> Bjarni: they made a breakthrough on brain-cells <-> computer interface 19:51:36 <Richk67> am i suitable.... btw whats a brain? 19:51:42 <TL|Away> they could add a microchip to a neuron 19:51:45 <TL|Away> or what ever they are called 19:51:51 <TL|Away> and they could communuicate with it 19:51:54 <Bjarni> Harteex_Kullavik: are they going to a depot and then forgets about it? 19:52:01 <TL|Away> just sadly enough after it is used, the neuron dies 19:52:02 <Harteex_Kullavik> nope 19:52:04 <TL|Away> bad for brain I guess :) 19:52:28 <Harteex_Kullavik> they are trying to go to a bus stop.. 19:52:32 <Harteex_Kullavik> but can't find the way.. 19:52:41 <Bjarni> Harteex_Kullavik: I mean if you click on one of them, do it keep the same destination all the time? 19:53:25 <Harteex_Kullavik> they change 19:53:34 <test> TL about what bug you was referring before (client->ms)? 19:53:47 <Harteex_Kullavik> between a depot and a bus stop 19:54:00 <TL|Away> test: client<->ms, the data protocol, you won't find many possible bugs. It is pretty tight, and not much room for failure 19:54:10 <TL|Away> just the handling of the data is bad from time to time 19:54:16 <Bjarni> Harteex_Kullavik: known issue :( 19:54:24 <TL|Away> a while a problem was when you had a server sending out landscape type 10 for example 19:54:32 <Harteex_Kullavik> ah ok 19:54:32 <TL|Away> all clients requesting infoo abut a server (and displayed) failed 19:54:35 <TL|Away> because the string was invalid 19:54:44 * peter1138 wonders what network_server.c:29 is about... 19:54:51 <TL|Away> but some more, less known and viisble, problems exist 19:55:00 <Bjarni> Harteex_Kullavik: but since you got a savegame that displays this issue, it would be nice if you make a bug report and add the savegame 19:55:12 <Harteex_Kullavik> oki, I will 19:55:19 <Bjarni> it saves time instead of creating on when debugging 19:55:20 <TL|Away> peter1138: someone forgot to remove a comment after moving around variables 19:56:16 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:56:43 <test> TL but if you crash a client from a server it's not a security bug, while if you can execute code on it yes, so you are referring to generic bugs 19:57:04 <Naksu> http://slashdot.org/ haha 19:57:32 <TL|Away> test: it is a bug that is really bad, in general, but I tihnk it can be exploited... just I could never find the time to solve it.... 19:57:46 <TL|Away> but no, it can not be used to execute code 19:58:19 <test> this problem affects only clients or servers too? 19:58:26 <Born_Acorn> The one that is too impossible : http://games.slashdot.org/games/06/04/01/1539242.shtml 19:59:00 <peter1138> clients only 20:00:24 <TL|Away> there is no server -> ms -> server communication, so that can never happen from a server :) 20:11:17 *** Meush is now known as MeusH[away] 20:20:57 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80929.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 20:21:21 <Harteex_Kullavik> Another problem I have is slow messages.. Like when I click go to depot on a bus to replace it.. I can get the message that its waiting in depot long time after it's replaced and running 20:21:53 <TL|Away> grrr @ for no reasons total recompiles :( 20:22:01 <TL|Away> I changed 1 .c files, and ALL files are recompiling :( 20:22:53 <hylje> dependencies 20:22:56 <hylje> :x 20:23:03 <TL|Away> on a .c file?! 20:23:09 <Harteex_Kullavik> I would guess more people than me have seen this problem, but I didn't see anything in Flyspray about it 20:23:13 <Sacro> shouldnt need to recompile though, just re-link 20:23:46 <hylje> then the compiler is retarded? 20:23:57 <TL|Away> not the compiler............. 20:24:12 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181068021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:25:25 *** Richk67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 20:25:26 <hylje> that leaves us only one point of failure 20:26:00 <TL|Away> yeah, why I did try to compile it anyway..... 20:26:49 <TL|Away> night all 20:26:57 <Sacro> night TL|Away 20:27:01 <test> bye TL 20:35:46 *** zen-- [n=zen@88-196-42-171-dsl.noe.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 20:37:29 <zen--> hey 20:41:18 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@85.101.212.80] has joined #openttd 20:44:47 <jnmbk> what is that string for: "{COMMA} ton{P "" s}" I don't understand the "{P "" s}" part(I guess it puts an 's' when plural right?). 20:45:22 <glx> yes {P is for plural form 20:45:36 <peter1138> yes 20:45:44 <peter1138> "" means nothing, of course 20:46:36 <test> I go 20:46:38 <test> BYEZ 20:47:12 <jnmbk> We don't need plural in Turkish, so will that work: {P "" ""} ? 20:47:27 *** test [n=test@host122-75.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:47:55 <peter1138> no 20:47:58 <peter1138> you don't need it at all 20:48:15 <jnmbk> only "{COMMA} ton" ? 20:48:18 <peter1138> yeah 20:48:23 <jnmbk> ok 20:53:17 *** MeusH[away] is now known as MeusH[busy] 20:55:08 *** Sacro2 [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-182-219.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:56:07 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:57:20 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: hi 20:57:25 <jnmbk> hi 20:57:41 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: is it my fault, or you signed up for a translator account? 20:58:17 <jnmbk> yes, I signed up for a translator account some months ago :) 20:58:40 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: well, i'll be able to give access to you soon, say, within 1-2 weeks 20:58:59 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: no new accounts created since WT1 is closed 20:59:21 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: However, I'm working on the 2nd version of WebTranslator, and I'm rapidly progressing with it 20:59:43 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: so I'll be able to open it with a somewhat minimal functionality level within 1-2 weeks 20:59:53 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 21:00:04 <black_Nightmare> hey :p (and don't tell me someone has traffic jams on their map lol) 21:00:13 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 21:00:17 *** Sacro3 [i=Ben@212.50.172.250] has joined #openttd 21:00:27 <Sacro3> the clones are ready 21:00:34 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: but is turkish uses characters only from iso8859-15? 21:01:25 <MiHaMiX> /raw kick Sacro,Sacro2,Sacro3 :Clones 21:01:26 <MiHaMiX> :DD 21:01:55 <jnmbk> mihamix: actually, we use iso8859-9 21:02:37 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: well, don't forget to limit yourself to iso8859-15 21:02:48 <Vornicus> I saw a werewolf drinking a piña colada at Trader Vic's. 21:02:53 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: otherwise some chars might be f*cked up 21:03:02 <Sacro3> MiHaMiX: feel free to shift a few, i cant figure out RECOVER 21:03:08 <Vornicus> His hair was perfect. 21:03:16 *** Sacro [i=Ben@212.50.172.53] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:03:16 <MiHaMiX> Sacro3: ? 21:03:18 <jnmbk> mihamix: I think I misunderstood your first sentence :) I have an account and use it often 21:03:27 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: ahh, ok 21:03:29 *** Sacro3 is now known as Sacro 21:03:41 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: well, WT1 is basically closed down due to technical reasons 21:03:42 * Sacro is back 21:03:42 *** valhalla1w`zzz is now known as valhallasw 21:04:02 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: WT2 will offer replacement service 21:04:29 <jnmbk> mihamix: thanks for making it :) 21:04:36 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: I'll try to convert changes made in WT1 to WT2 when we'll open WT2 21:04:59 <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: you can view screenshots at http://translator2.openttd.org/images/screenshots/ 21:08:51 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:09:45 <Sacro> morning ThePizzaKing 21:09:56 <ThePizzaKing> morning Sacro 21:10:10 <MeusH[busy]> hello ThePizzaKing 21:10:12 <MiHaMiX> TPK: hi :) 21:10:30 <MiHaMiX> TPK: what is your favourite pizza? :) 21:10:30 <ThePizzaKing> Hi MeusH[busy] 21:10:36 <ThePizzaKing> Hi MiHaMiX 21:10:47 <ThePizzaKing> I like the Aussie Pizza 21:11:03 *** Richk67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 21:11:03 <MiHaMiX> ThePizzaKing: what does that consist of? :) 21:11:22 <peter1138> beer 21:11:31 <ThePizzaKing> hehehe 21:11:34 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: :DDD 21:11:57 <ThePizzaKing> Cheese, Bacon, Egg and sometimes Onion 21:13:05 <MeusH[busy]> cya everybody 21:13:06 <MiHaMiX> ThePizzaKing: ahh, could be tasty :) 21:13:07 <MeusH[busy]> cya MiHaMiX 21:13:11 <MeusH[busy]> cya Richk67 21:13:13 <black_Nightmare> just wondering but there anything about owning 75% of another human player's co? 21:13:13 <MeusH[busy]> goodnight 21:13:15 *** MeusH[busy] [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Goodbye"] 21:13:17 <black_Nightmare> (in mulitplayer yeah) 21:13:30 <ThePizzaKing> MiHaMiX: It is 21:14:18 <MiHaMiX> ThePizzaKing: my favourite pizze is called something like 'confused by abundance' :) 21:14:42 <ThePizzaKing> hehe :) 21:15:51 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-141-200-9.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:17:48 <MiHaMiX> ThePizzaKing: it consist of onion, ham, cheese, chicken liver, mushroom, bacon and sauce :) 21:18:18 <ThePizzaKing> interesting 21:18:44 <MiHaMiX> ThePizzaKing: it is :) and it's so tasty :) 21:22:59 *** Sacro2 [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-182-219.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:28:58 <SimonRC> desert towns just need water and passengers to grow, right? 21:30:23 <Richk67> yup 21:30:57 <SimonRC> This one doesn't want to grow, it seems 21:32:48 <Richk67> you need to ensure that there are services within the town radius - a small town may only be 4-5 squares 21:33:42 <jnmbk> simonrc: the station label must be close to the town label :) 21:34:01 <Richk67> thanks for the translation ;) 21:34:07 <Vornicus> random question. 21:34:17 <Vornicus> Why are oil refineries only found near the edges of a map? 21:35:45 *** Harteex_Kullavik is now known as Harteex 21:36:04 <jnmbk> Maybe because of the pollution they make(like the coal power supply in simcity...) 21:36:05 <Sacro> Vornicus: the game is coded that way 21:37:00 <black_Nightmare> vornicus..probably due to also the oil rigs being that way too? 21:37:17 * peter1138 attacks Sacro with mayagold 21:37:32 <Vornicus> Are all the oil rigs near the edge too? I didn't notice... 21:37:44 <Sacro> Vornicus: oil rigs are only in the sea 21:37:51 <Sacro> peter1138: what was that in aid of? 21:37:54 <Harteex> what about towns in other climates, what do they need to grow (except passengers)? 21:38:02 <Vornicus> well, okay, offshore rigs are only on the sea, yes. 21:39:05 <peter1138> Sacro: felt like it 21:39:50 * Vornicus ponders: refineries would probably be better if they were within so far of the sea instead of the edge of the world. 21:40:48 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@85.101.212.80] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:41:30 <Sacro> Vornicus: true 21:41:44 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp83-237-234-17.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 21:47:28 <SimonRC> Harteex: cold towns need food 21:48:12 <Harteex> ah ok, thx, that's explains some things for me, playing cold world right now 21:48:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> [01.04. 23:02] <black_Nightmare> hey :p (and don't tell me someone has traffic jams on their map lol) <- i don't know, you tell me: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/ottd2.jpg 21:48:14 <SimonRC> There ought to be an easy way to tell if a town considers itself to be a desert town. 21:49:37 <SimonRC> If a ststion accepts passengers it is close enough to the town, right? 21:50:06 <SimonRC> (and water/food if the town needs that for growth, of course) 21:51:34 <SimonRC> Well that town just *doesn't* want to grow! 21:55:11 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176099064.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:56:58 <black_Nightmare> well eddi.... :p 21:57:15 <black_Nightmare> anyway you know whats the use of buying 25/50/75% of another human player co in multiplayer? 21:57:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> no... 21:57:47 <Sacro> its shares 21:58:04 <black_Nightmare> hm so its just for investment..nothing else? 21:58:14 <Sacro> yup 21:58:30 <black_Nightmare> thanks anyhow 21:58:38 <black_Nightmare> that explains it capping at 75% 21:58:59 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80CFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:00:00 <SimonRC> Are you *sure that desert towns don;t need food to grow? 22:01:42 <Vornicus> desert towns need food and water and mail/passenger service. 22:01:51 <Vornicus> Arctic towns need food. 22:01:57 <Vornicus> in addition to the usual. 22:01:58 *** xahodo [n=xander@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 22:02:07 <Sacro> the usual? 22:02:25 <hylje> mail n passenger 22:02:32 <hylje> do goods have any impact 22:02:37 <Vornicus> the usual being mail and passenger service. 22:02:45 <Vornicus> Goods, I'm not sure about. 22:02:57 <Sacro> yeah, i think goods do 22:03:13 <Vornicus> Goods only really start to matter in larger towns anyway. 22:04:47 *** TPK [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:05:36 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:05:39 <Richk67> goods have no effect in any climate - they appear to have an effect because it usually increases the number of stations visited inside the town radius 22:05:42 <Vornicus> and I don't think they actually do anything for the town, they're just a cash cow. 22:05:52 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:06:12 <Vornicus> "increases the number of stations visited inside the town radius"? 22:06:53 <Richk67> town growth is proportional to the number of stations within the town radius (extent of housing) visited inside 20 days 22:07:06 <Vornicus> oh really. 22:07:37 <Vornicus> So one reason my Presberg Bay thing has 18,000 people is because I have full bus coverage. 22:07:45 <Richk67> if you add an extra station to take the goods, then it increases the growth... not because its goods - it could be valuables, food, water, passengers, anything 22:08:10 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 22:08:51 <Richk67> vornicus: yup. if i want a town to grow - i pick a nice 500-600, buy the future land i want to build on, and set up 3 bus stations. 20 yrs later it is a thriving 10,000+ metropolis... and i open my inner city airport ;) 22:11:01 <Richk67> generally, i then close down the short distance bus routes, and redirect the busses to the nearest next city. otherwise they rarely make the necessary 10,000 a year 22:11:51 <SimonRC> Okaaay,... the rods are growing, but the population just went down from 466 to 286. 22:12:16 <SimonRC> I prefer my towns' populations not to look like early Intel chips. 22:12:56 <Richk67> lol :) 22:13:29 <SimonRC> does it matter how much food I supply/ 22:13:31 <SimonRC> ? 22:14:16 <Richk67> nope - although i think it must be within 20 days... so 1tonne is as good as 1000 22:14:34 <SimonRC> silly 22:14:58 <SimonRC> which means I should ditch mos tof the carriges on my food train 22:15:34 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 22:15:35 <Richk67> you make good money on it... but its better to have a fast regular small supply than an occasional big one 22:16:53 <SimonRC> actually, lorries are best for that 22:17:54 <SimonRC> bah 22:18:15 * SimonRC curses that unrealistic models. 22:21:37 * Sacro has nothing better to do... 22:21:52 <SpComb> this oculd be fun 22:22:34 <SpComb> oh god 22:22:38 <SpComb> lilo... poor lilo 22:23:32 <valhallasw> :D 22:23:38 <Sacro> F ME :| 22:24:04 <valhallasw> lilo is so fucking dead :D 22:24:08 <SpComb> 237 and rising... 22:24:47 <SpComb> man that place is active O_o 22:24:55 <SpComb> 260 22:24:58 <valhallasw> my counter is broken >:( 22:25:00 <SpComb> most people are quitting as well 22:25:21 <valhallasw> too bad :) 22:25:34 <SpComb> +m :P 22:25:36 <SpComb> owned 22:26:10 <valhallasw> yer 22:26:12 <valhallasw> still 22:26:12 <valhallasw> :D 22:26:15 <SpComb> It'll take them ages to calm down 22:26:17 <valhallasw> go lilo 22:26:22 <valhallasw> yep 22:26:30 <valhallasw> why do people have wallops turned on? :+ 22:26:35 <SpComb> when I joined that chanel there were 78 users there :P 22:26:54 <Sacro> hehe, keep seeing OTTD users go past 22:27:01 <SpComb> 01:26:53 -!- damn_irc6_oftc_net_is_fucked is now known as damn_irc6_oftc_net_is_fucked_ 22:27:23 <SpComb> wow, the trolls really took off on that one! 22:28:21 <SpComb> 01:27:49 -!- lilo is now known as no-sense-of-humor-p 22:28:45 <valhallasw> where? 22:29:14 <SpComb> #oftc, of course 22:29:24 <SpComb> 01:29:13 -!- mode/#oftc [+i] by weasel 22:29:26 <SpComb> :( 22:29:45 <Sacro> Signoff: ____lilo_we_love_you (autokilled: This host was used to launch an attack on the network. Mail support@oftc.net if you feel this in error.) 22:29:52 <valhallasw> zome 22:30:22 <SpComb> man, they are dropping 22:30:54 * SpComb does NOT want to run a IRC server on a network like that :/ 22:30:55 <valhallasw> they stopped killing 22:30:57 <valhallasw> er 22:30:58 <valhallasw> not 22:31:07 <valhallasw> I'm not dead... yet :Y) 22:31:18 <Sacro> me neither 22:31:24 <Sacro> shall i do some advertising of OTTD? 22:31:44 <valhallasw> how? :P 22:31:47 <valhallasw> its still +m ;) 22:32:05 <Sacro> pmsl "*** orudge has left: #oftc" 22:32:10 <SpComb> and +i 22:32:23 <Sacro> meaning? 22:32:29 <valhallasw> invite only 22:33:08 <Sacro> well -lilo- invited me 22:33:14 <orudge> That was moi, indeed. 22:33:17 <valhallasw> :D 22:33:38 <Sacro> orudge: spotted :) 22:33:42 <valhallasw> how many people there Sacro? 22:33:59 <Sacro> i also saw Markavian 22:34:06 <valhallasw> and me :p 22:34:15 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:34:21 <valhallasw> :w Brianetta 22:34:29 <valhallasw> you just missed lilo's april 1st joke :p 22:34:38 <Sacro> valhallasw: not sure without counting them all 22:34:44 <valhallasw> k 22:36:18 <Sacro> i reckon over 100 22:36:33 <Richk67> bbl 22:36:35 *** Richk67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 22:37:08 <valhallasw> poor lilo 22:37:15 <valhallasw> he's been akilled :( 22:37:39 <Qball> thought it was fun 22:38:08 <Sacro> yup, amused me 22:38:15 <SimonRC> darn, missed it 22:38:51 <SimonRC> bah desert is boring. 22:39:14 <Sacro> hmm 22:39:15 <valhallasw> ah, 109 now 22:39:18 <Sacro> toyland is amusing 22:39:59 <SimonRC> Remind me what "improved loading algorithm" is. 22:41:58 *** zen-- [n=zen@88-196-42-171-dsl.noe.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:43:49 *** J37 [n=gamma@70-57-153-59.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:44:25 <Sacro> it does something wierd and wonderful 22:44:35 *** J37 [n=gamma@70-57-153-59.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 22:46:04 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.22.230] has joined #openttd 22:46:51 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 22:49:33 <Sacro> any trekk{ie,er}s here? 22:49:33 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 22:49:57 <valhallasw> Sacro: a bit :p 22:50:06 <tokai> no 22:50:32 <Sacro> hmm, my mate is asking about the NCC-1701-G 22:51:10 <valhallasw> enterprise-G... 22:51:21 <Sacro> yeah, i dont recall there being a G 22:52:05 <valhallasw> In the Star Trek universe, the USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-G was the conjectured eighth Federation Starship Enterprise. This Enterprise existed at some point between the 24th and 26th centuries, based upon the appearance of the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-J) in the Star Trek: Enterprise episode, "Azati Prime". In official canon nothing is, as yet, known about her or her crew. 22:52:42 <valhallasw> and the plan was to use the -G for TNG, but it became -D 22:52:52 <Sacro> yeah, with the E in first contact 22:53:00 <valhallasw> yep 22:54:46 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80CFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:54:52 <SpComb> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/oftc/last/all <-- for those interested 22:54:52 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|slaap 22:55:59 <Sacro> SpComb: evil 22:56:40 <valhallasw> 01:45:33 -!- valhallasw [~valhallas@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has quit [Quit: :w. Learn what a joke is and react accordingly. Poor lilo.] 22:56:43 <valhallasw> it worked :+ 22:56:54 <valhallasw> not sure if /disconnect worked as I had imagined ;) 22:57:01 <SpComb> Sacro: how evil? 22:57:26 *** Richk67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 22:57:33 <Sacro> SpComb: quite evil 22:57:38 <valhallasw> nah 22:57:41 <valhallasw> irc is public 22:57:42 <valhallasw> kinda 22:57:53 <Richk67> hi 22:58:18 <SpComb> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ;) 22:58:27 <SpComb> IRC is public. That's the idea here... 22:58:31 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80CFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 22:59:01 <SpComb> so get used to this evil invasion of pricavy :P 22:59:12 <valhallasw> :) 22:59:26 <SpComb> everything you have said since Feb 25 2006 is available for public review and linkage to. Muahaha 22:59:30 <DjViper> pricavy? 22:59:36 <SpComb> (how much do you want to pay me to remove that line?) 22:59:46 *** DJGummikuh [n=joey@clx-ac2-225-3.westend.com] has joined #openttd 22:59:47 <valhallasw> SpComb: did you really think I'm not logging this channel? 22:59:48 <DJGummikuh> hey 23:00:04 <SpComb> but not everyone makes their logs public, which is silly 23:00:08 <DJGummikuh> which ports do I need to forward in order to allow access to my openttd server behind a firewall? 23:00:11 <Sacro> SpComb: i think Bjarni archives most of my stuff anyway, i have to keep an eye on qdb.us 23:00:18 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 23:00:26 <SpComb> there is rarely any point in having logs that you made yourself 23:00:29 <Sacro> DJGummikuh: wiki.openttd.org/Ports 23:00:39 <SpComb> when you need logs, it's usually someone else's logs that you need... 23:00:47 <DJGummikuh> thanx 23:00:48 <valhallasw> the problem is, I started at 22/3 :) 23:00:54 <DJGummikuh> eehm 23:01:06 <DJGummikuh> The requested URL / Ports was not found on this server 23:01:11 <Sacro> DJGummikuh: actually http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Port - sorry 23:01:33 <DJGummikuh> yep found it 23:01:45 <DJGummikuh> strange I forwarded 3979 but nevertheless it doesn't work. 23:01:47 <DJGummikuh> what am I forgetting? 23:01:56 <Sacro> firewall? 23:02:11 <DJGummikuh> I'm checking right now 23:02:33 <DJGummikuh> but unlikely because the server has none itself and I believe the routers firewall is running as I want it to :) 23:02:44 <valhallasw> say SpComb 23:03:00 <SpComb> say valhallasw 23:03:03 <valhallasw> that log browser is irssi-log based? 23:03:09 <SpComb> very much so 23:03:17 <valhallasw> * $fs_path/#<internal name>/yyyy-mm-dd 23:03:18 <valhallasw> * This is very strict, and is not configurable 23:03:18 <valhallasw> gr 23:03:24 *** TPK is now known as ThePizzaKing 23:03:30 <SpComb> life is though :( 23:03:36 <SpComb> I made the regexp easily changable 23:03:38 <Bjarni> <Sacro> SpComb: i think Bjarni archives most of my stuff anyway, i have to keep an eye on qdb.us <-- actually my log have grown too big. It takes ages to open :( 23:03:39 <DJGummikuh> ok my router SHOULD forward as it should... anything else that could cause my server not to be reachable 23:03:44 <SpComb> but the logs have to be in seperate files for each day 23:03:45 <valhallasw> $fs_path/server/<internal name>/#channel yymmdd.log here :( 23:03:48 <SpComb> that's just how it works 23:03:55 <SpComb> well, that can be arranged of course 23:04:04 <valhallasw> heh, I'll take a look at it tomorrow :_ 23:04:08 <SpComb> the exact details aren't that important 23:04:22 <SpComb> just that you have channel name, and log day 23:04:30 <SpComb> hmm, server? as in, the irc network? 23:04:33 <SpComb> or literal server 23:05:00 <valhallasw> hmm 23:05:02 <valhallasw> network 23:05:20 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit ["<volcone> tycker inte man borde få idrotta i skolan, eftersom man springer så jävulskt mkt i wow"] 23:05:44 <DJGummikuh> I don't get it 23:06:00 *** xahodo [n=xander@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [] 23:06:01 <Sacro> me neither, thats why i end up in here :( 23:06:41 <valhallasw> SpComb: http://v.zechx.com:8080/~valhallasw/%23oftc%20060402.log.html 23:06:45 <valhallasw> my version 23:06:54 <valhallasw> it's a bit evil :+ 23:07:22 <SpComb> ugh, weird colours 23:07:43 <SpComb> I tried to do colouring, but it got a bit weird 23:08:00 <SpComb> the log format wasn't trivial to parse for the type, and the there was the quesiton of what colours to use 23:08:07 <DJGummikuh> ok found problem 23:08:14 <valhallasw> anyway, im off to bed 23:08:14 <valhallasw> nn 23:08:31 <DJGummikuh> fortunately I know the guy that writes the firmware for the routers of my ISP... I'm getting a portforwarding update momentarialy 23:08:33 <SpComb> and colours would increate the html code a lot 23:08:42 <Sacro> gtg all, night 23:08:59 *** Sacro [i=Ben@212.50.172.250] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:09:39 <SpComb> valhallasw: I'll make the fs path for configureable (a function in config.php that's called, and returns the path) 23:09:43 <SpComb> *more 23:10:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B763B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:12:13 <SpComb> hrh 23:12:25 <SpComb> mysql log viewer seems to be quite light in terms of resources 23:12:42 <DJGummikuh> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 23:12:45 <DJGummikuh> eek 23:12:45 <DJGummikuh> sorry 23:12:52 <SpComb> *blinks* 23:12:54 <DJGummikuh> my key stuck:) 23:13:02 <SpComb> I pasted the link to the oftc logs, and got some > 50 requests, and load average 0.04 23:13:08 <SpComb> on a Athlon XP 2000š+ 23:13:18 <DJGummikuh> had e's all over my screen on 4 windows :)))) 23:13:28 <SpComb> sure sure 23:13:32 <SpComb> that's what they all say! 23:13:46 <DJGummikuh> lol why should I lie? 23:24:08 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 23:26:20 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:28:23 * SimonRC creates a fun scenario 23:28:54 <SimonRC> Big flat area at sea-level, with sea-walls. 23:29:20 <DJGummikuh> hey 23:29:21 <SimonRC> that's fine, except for a few big towns *right* next to the wall. :-D 23:29:30 <DJGummikuh> I just played on a server today 23:29:34 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B75CA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:29:37 <DJGummikuh> and suddendly there was water everywhere 23:29:43 <DJGummikuh> what happened there? 23:29:45 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 23:29:52 <black_Nightmare> djgumm.... dunno :p 23:30:03 <DJGummikuh> the entire country sank 23:30:19 <DJGummikuh> and only where tracks of companies were the land remained 23:30:25 <ThePizzaKing> DJGummikuh: Someone probably levelled everything to sea level 23:30:31 <SimonRC> Flooding destroys the city and the bus stations that made it grow: "Unknown destination no longer accepts passengers." 23:30:41 <DJGummikuh> how? 23:30:45 <SimonRC> was it atlantis? 23:30:57 <SimonRC> DJGummikuh: very rich? 23:30:59 <DJGummikuh> no 23:31:03 <DJGummikuh> I was the riches person 23:31:09 <DJGummikuh> and even I couldn't afford that much leveling 23:31:26 <DJGummikuh> is there any thing like armageddon or something as script? 23:31:41 <ThePizzaKing> that is weird then 23:32:22 *** TSC [n=user@c220-237-36-237.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:32:22 <DJGummikuh> I had approx 200 millions $ and the second person had 20 $ on a 512x512 map.. impossible to level so much country 23:33:31 <Richk67> the edge of the map is water, if the whole inner area is at level 0, it will flood, although you will have to have a custom made scenario to allow it 23:33:48 <DJGummikuh> no the whole level LEVELLED to 0 23:33:53 <DJGummikuh> it was at normal level 23:34:01 <DJGummikuh> and suddendly the whole level dropped one level down 23:34:16 <DJGummikuh> and naturally flooded then 23:34:21 <Richk67> savegame before and after? 23:34:25 <DJGummikuh> no 23:34:31 <DJGummikuh> was on dedicated server 23:34:39 <DJGummikuh> funniest thing was that I was the only one able to survive 23:34:59 <DJGummikuh> I then made rings around my areas so that they won't flood again :) and even made more profit than before :)))) 23:40:51 <SimonRC> odd, some airports are floodproof 23:41:31 <DJGummikuh> lol 23:42:37 * Fujitsu wonders how hard it would be to add new industries... 23:42:43 <Fujitsu> Not hard, by the looks. 23:43:06 <SimonRC> see here for floodproof airports: 23:43:09 <SimonRC> http://129.234.200.100/~sc/odd.sav 23:43:26 <SimonRC> anyway bedtime 23:43:30 * SimonRC goes to bed 23:44:16 <SimonRC> (BTW, I think that is a bug, since some airports *aren't floodproof, and very little else is either.) 23:48:22 *** DJGummik1h [n=joey@clx-ac2-98-3.westend.com] has joined #openttd 23:48:58 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit ["En KLAP.. de klaptop is dicht..."] 23:49:06 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:50:47 * Fujitsu watches the floods plough through all of the towns. 23:55:49 <black_Nightmare> I still haven't recited signal names that well yet but anyway...if you had one mainline and wanted split to two to fit more trains into tunnel... the signal before switch would be 1-way with single ctrl click and the one past switch would be 2-way with double ctrl clicks? 23:56:28 <Vornicus> you wouldn't bother with presignals. 23:56:55 <black_Nightmare> oh...hm duh...thanks anyhow 23:57:01 <black_Nightmare> I get too used to doing it sometimes lol 23:58:00 <black_Nightmare> so its just plain signals but before switch would be one way and after switch would be two way tho..right? 23:58:19 <Vornicus> sure 23:58:26 <black_Nightmare> ty 23:58:29 <Vornicus> I think the after-switch stuff can be one-way too. 23:59:13 <black_Nightmare> lot of tracks in one area...so I'm burying my twin mainline underground to get past all of them but then can't signal inside tunnels at all so I made it four tracks wide :p (2 tunnels per direction) 23:59:20 <black_Nightmare> hope that'll work well ;) 23:59:50 <Vornicus> hopefully. Another thing you could do is occasionally cut into the tunnel from above, allowing you to insert signals within.