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Regardless of the remove-wagons patch setting 08:20:29 <Darkvater> we have two choices 08:20:41 <Darkvater> 1. totally fail autoreplace (almost like it is now) 08:20:42 <Darkvater> or 08:21:01 <Darkvater> 2. remove wagons (irrespective of the above patch setting) until it fits 08:21:09 <Darkvater> 3. there are no other choices 08:21:26 <peter1138> well, i've done a patch for 1 08:21:42 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-107-59.adsl.snet.net] has joined #openttd 08:22:11 <peter1138> i think remove wagons should only happen with the remove-wagons options (it's not a patch setting, is it?) 08:22:24 <Darkvater> it is a patch setting 08:22:28 <peter1138> hmm 08:22:28 <Darkvater> it should be consistent 08:22:43 <peter1138> oh, yeah 08:22:43 <peter1138> hm 08:22:45 <peter1138> well anyway 08:22:58 <Darkvater> so what to do with the scenario I just said ? 08:23:18 <peter1138> removing the wagons requires either another removal loop, or tweaking the move command to allow it to overflow 08:23:54 <peter1138> why should it *not* depend on the wagon removal setting? 08:24:10 <peter1138> making it fail is easy, but bjarni doesn't like it 08:24:43 <Darkvater> well it's either 1 or 2 08:24:58 <peter1138> ... 08:24:59 <Darkvater> for all I care it can fail, but it should also fail if the maximum train length is set to 10 for example 08:25:05 <peter1138> 1 if wagon replace off 08:25:08 <peter1138> 2 if wagon replace on 08:25:12 <peter1138> err, removal 08:26:12 <Darkvater> so the extreme case should fail (totally) with wagon-removal off? 08:26:17 <peter1138> yes 08:26:35 <peter1138> so you are left with the old train that still works 08:26:56 <Darkvater> well, possible as well. But I don't want a mish-mash of behaviour depending on some arbitrary rule 08:27:10 <peter1138> i think wagon removal is a very clear rule 08:28:03 <Darkvater> ok I can live with that 08:28:14 <Darkvater> now to force it upon Bjarni ;) 08:28:33 <peter1138> i think bjarni wants both parts to count as one 08:29:10 <Darkvater> but they don't count as one 08:29:13 <Darkvater> never did 08:29:26 <peter1138> the don't, no, but they could 08:29:42 <Darkvater> but they don't :) 08:29:50 <peter1138> heh 08:30:23 <peter1138> articulated engines also only count as one, but that could be changed 08:30:57 <peter1138> actually i think it should stay, as mostly it's used for tenders or for joining parts up to make a longer engine 08:31:32 <peter1138> http://bugs.openttd.org/?getfile=227 is my patch to make replacement fail 08:31:51 <Darkvater> well that is something totally different than a dual-headed engine imho 08:31:55 <Darkvater> we'll wait for bjarni 08:32:00 <peter1138> yeah 08:32:05 <peter1138> however 08:32:15 <peter1138> it can also be used to make fixed consist trains 08:32:18 <peter1138> trams uses it like that 08:32:45 <peter1138> there's no real way to tell the difference though, heh 08:38:10 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:39:33 *** roboman is now known as robodinner 08:39:58 <Darkvater> WTF? 08:40:03 <Darkvater> Error: NewGRF file missing: notexists.grf 08:40:19 <Darkvater> oh, heh in openttd.cfg 08:43:31 <peter1138> ... 08:45:46 *** xahodo [n=xander@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [] 08:53:38 *** Smoky555 [i=awtjcksn@sagitta.internal.vlink.ru] has left #openttd [] 08:58:00 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:01:35 <peter1138> ===> Generating table/strings.h 09:01:36 <peter1138> lang/english.txt:333: FATAL: Invalid UTF-8 sequence at '?' 09:01:38 <peter1138> yay 09:03:38 <peter1138> problem is, i can't change the lang files from latin-15 to utf-8 09:03:51 <peter1138> 1) the diff's massive 09:03:59 <peter1138> 2) syncing... 09:07:54 *** robodinner is now known as roboman|brb 09:08:22 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:09:15 <Darkvater> whohoo :) 09:11:29 <peter1138> hmm? 09:11:51 <Darkvater> UTF-8 :) 09:22:40 <peter1138> this ms .net documentation SUCKS 09:22:47 <peter1138> string.IndexOfAny() 09:23:03 <peter1138> "Reports the index of the first occurrence in this instance of any character in a specified array of Unicode characters." 09:23:18 <peter1138> and what if there is no match, huh? 09:23:28 <Darkvater> nullexception? :P 09:23:38 <peter1138> (probably a negative number, but i shouldn't have to assume) 09:23:39 <Darkvater> I think it returns -1 09:24:21 <Darkvater> yeah -1 09:26:40 <Darkvater> int foundPos = -1; // -1 represents not found 09:27:20 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a85-156-237-102.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:27:33 <hylje> no such file 09:32:51 <peter1138> hmm, i need to implement sound effect priority 09:33:02 <peter1138> with running sounds going on, there're a little too many :) 09:34:32 *** Cxaxukluth [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:35:28 <Darkvater> :) 09:39:04 <hylje> shouldnt newsounds have 3d sound 09:39:43 <peter1138> ... 09:39:51 <Celestar> ok guys, I'll be offline a couple of days because we just got 250kEUR for a new cluster and server infrastructure and that'll take my attention a little 09:40:15 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/xosview.png <= xosview isn't made for big servers. 09:40:18 <peter1138> openttd cluster? :D 09:40:19 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-175-232.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:40:42 <Celestar> er... no 09:40:43 <peter1138> hehe 09:40:51 <Darkvater> Celestar: !! 09:41:01 <Celestar> about openttd .. we needa improve the performance of the fileserver 09:41:03 <Celestar> me->food 09:52:16 *** Zbeynex [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:52:17 *** roboman|brb [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:54:01 <peter1138> Darkvater: i left it at home, but i made a patch that detects the file type when using -g 09:54:14 <peter1138> currently it only loads .sav/.scn, not .sv? 09:54:40 <Darkvater> .sav/.scn 09:54:44 <Darkvater> we don't have .sv 09:54:52 <peter1138> Darkvater: oldloader 09:54:57 <peter1138> .sv0/1/2 09:55:03 <Darkvater> ah...like that 09:55:13 <peter1138> 'twas a wildcard ;) 09:55:31 <peter1138> i also changed it so that -g isn't needed to load a game 09:55:33 <Darkvater> hmm loading scenarios... would that behaviour start a new game with the current difficulty settings with that given scenario? 09:55:41 <Darkvater> he, i see you read the forum 09:55:42 <peter1138> so drag & drop can work easily 09:55:45 <peter1138> yus 09:55:53 <Darkvater> with -g %1 it works easily as well 09:55:54 <Darkvater> but ok 09:56:01 <peter1138> not directly on the exe, heh 09:56:06 <peter1138> also 09:56:21 <peter1138> if you only have one shortcut, you'll always start a new game 09:56:31 <peter1138> (if you don't drag) 09:58:08 <peter1138> as for loading scenarios, i don't know which it will do 09:59:55 <Darkvater> in windows if I drag a file to an exe it starts that exe? never knew 10:00:28 <Xaroth> ye it does 10:00:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you learn something every day ;) 10:00:43 <Xaroth> it'll start "<exefile> <file dropped onto it>" 10:01:01 <Darkvater> ah nice 10:01:20 <Darkvater> peter1138: it should start a new game with that scenario. Which is in fact which it already does I think, but it's load-game 10:01:36 <Darkvater> but if you have code that distinguishes it can do StartScneario() or whatever it's alled 10:02:13 <peter1138> hmm 10:02:35 <peter1138> it only sets _file_to_saveload.mode 10:03:20 <peter1138> i didn't test it with scenarios though... i don't really like them 10:03:31 <Darkvater> I think it should also set _game_mode 10:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause> there should be options to start a scenario with random towns/industries 10:04:32 <Eddi|zuHause> if you just created an empty map 10:04:53 <peter1138> Darkvater: instead of _switch_mode ? 10:05:03 <Darkvater> hmm, or that 10:05:06 <Darkvater> I always mix'em up 10:05:16 <peter1138> well, it uses _switch_mode already, so i didn't change that 10:05:27 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause: yeah 10:05:34 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause: that's the bit i don't like :) 10:05:43 <peter1138> but also, you can't have just a plain map scenario, can you? 10:06:05 <peter1138> you can't play a scenario with no towns :( 10:07:36 <Eddi|zuHause> it can't be that difficult to detect that there are no towns, and then start the function that generates them... 10:10:20 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176096241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:11:22 <Darkvater> < going home 10:12:55 <peter1138> by 10:25:26 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:39:21 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:50 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:49:30 <peter1138> mixer.c:93-100 ... 10:49:48 <SpComb> me puts the frog in the mixer 10:50:15 <SpComb> openttd is in smelly C, boo 10:50:26 <Eddi|zuHause> "what is green and turns red when you push the button?" ;) 10:51:10 <lws1984> traffic lights 10:51:19 <lws1984> if you hack the system ;) 10:51:40 <peter1138> or just press the button 10:51:54 <peter1138> generally a bit easier 10:52:20 <peter1138> unless you mean when and only when the button is pressed 10:52:21 <peter1138> hmm 10:52:24 <peter1138> that'd be fun 10:52:33 <lws1984> aye, buttons are quite fun 10:52:35 <lws1984> heh... 10:53:06 <lws1984> well, i have a light that will cycle from green to red when i push the button 10:53:15 <lws1984> then to blue, green, yellow, etc. 10:54:04 <Eddi|zuHause> why is that... when anybody mentions "push the button", i think of lost? 10:54:32 <peter1138> lost? 10:54:36 <lws1984> push ze buuton, monseiur 10:54:48 <lws1984> peter1138: the tv show, me thinks 10:54:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that one ;) 10:55:07 <peter1138> never seen it 10:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it's crazy ;) 10:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause> whenever you think you know how the story goes on, it totally turns around :) 10:59:42 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Note to self: Don't have more than 3 McIntosh Parks on a weekday"] 11:11:59 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 11:12:22 <RichK67> Darkvater ping 11:13:12 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181096095.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:25:46 <peter1138> he went home 11:26:20 <RichK67> okies - ive posted what i hope is the final version of newairports to him 11:37:57 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:49:54 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 11:50:53 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:59:56 *** roboman|brb [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:00:13 *** roboman|brb is now known as roboman 12:00:17 <roboman> hello 12:18:40 <roboman> gnight 12:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> am i reading that correctly: there is a 12/256 chance that ha house does not get rebuilt? 12:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause> // rebuild with another house? 12:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause> if (GB(r, 24, 8) >= 12) DoBuildTownHouse(t, tile); 12:19:12 *** roboman is now known as robobed 12:19:16 <Eddi|zuHause> -h 12:22:15 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498D98A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 12:24:53 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B850BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:25:03 <Trenskow> i was looking at the final layout for the new map array 12:25:33 <Trenskow> is the Tile struct gonna be used for underground tracks too? 12:25:50 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498DE8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:21 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:27:52 <Trenskow> well there isn't any devs online ? 12:28:20 <Trenskow> anyhow. How about making the renderer render at at certain level 12:28:32 <Trenskow> so you can select witch level you max wanna see 12:28:48 <Trenskow> then being able to create stations, tracks, signals etc. underground 12:29:09 <Trenskow> using the conventional tools 12:29:17 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:29:21 *** Schamane_ is now known as SchAmane 12:29:40 <Trenskow> and also maybe, in a vehicle window, make it render the level the vehicle is currently located at 12:29:51 <Trenskow> so you'll be able to follow them underground 12:30:01 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:31:09 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i think there needs to be more to this than just adding an underground level 12:34:37 <Trenskow> ok... just a thought 12:34:58 <Trenskow> think it would be the ideal way to build it 12:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause> because if you just have one underground level, that needs to be 1 level below ground... that is not realistic, e.g. if you want to build a tunnel through a mountain 12:35:39 <Trenskow> yea yea i know... there must be more than one level 12:35:49 <Darkvater> peter1138: still about autoreplace 12:36:44 <Darkvater> peter1138: in your replace patch, what is the behaviour if I am at maximum train length with wagon-removal on and I switch to dual-headed? 12:38:24 <Trenskow> Darkvater, what's your comment on my question? 12:38:27 <Trenskow> i would like to hear 12:38:30 <Trenskow> :) 12:38:31 <Darkvater> what question? 12:38:45 <Trenskow> just joined? 12:38:50 <Darkvater> just got back 12:38:53 <Darkvater> lemme backread 12:39:01 <Trenskow> k 12:40:48 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 12:40:59 <Darkvater> hmm, sounds pretty futile to me, especially regarding that fact that we don't have any "levels" 12:41:01 <Trenskow> as i see the Tile struct, theres is the possibility of multiple levels under/over ground level 12:41:07 <Darkvater> except if you want to call bridges that 12:41:12 <Trenskow> yes i do 12:41:14 <Trenskow> and tunnels 12:41:21 <Darkvater> we don't have tunnels 12:41:29 <Trenskow> so instead of tunnels, just tracks at a "level" 12:41:31 <Trenskow> ahh ok 12:41:47 <Darkvater> tunnels are: Entrance> .... *magic* ... <Exit 12:42:39 <Trenskow> i just thought that creating underground tracks instead of tunnels, would be great 12:42:48 <Trenskow> then you could create signals, stations etc underground too 12:42:51 <Darkvater> or: Entrance> ... *insert favourite hypercubetransportteletransferportdevice here* ... <Exit 12:43:24 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:43:31 <Darkvater> Trenskow: I presume you are looking at the map rewrite? That would allow for such things, but it's a bit off 12:43:42 <Trenskow> Darkvater, yes 12:44:06 <Darkvater> for the map rewrite branch there already was some sort of slice-tool that only rendered at a max-level 12:44:23 <Trenskow> Darkvater, nice... just was i was thinking 12:46:27 <Trenskow> Darkvater, will be looking so much forward to the new map array :D 12:47:18 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:47:57 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-130-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:48:14 <Darkvater> :) 12:48:16 <Darkvater> who doesn't ;) 12:48:35 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:00 <Sacro> afternoon all 12:50:09 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has joined #openttd 12:50:10 *** robobed [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:51:04 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:52:25 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:41 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:53:23 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has quit [Client Quit] 12:54:49 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:49 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 12:54:54 <Belugas> Good day 12:55:21 <Sacro> good day Belugas 12:55:40 <Darkvater> ey 12:57:11 <Belugas> hello boys 12:59:27 <Sacro> hello 12:59:40 <peter1138> Darkvater: re autoreplace, with that patch it still fails with wagon removal on 12:59:48 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Bye all."] 12:59:54 <Darkvater> peter1138: that is not good :) 13:00:12 <Darkvater> I think you mean it fails under every circumstance 13:00:12 <peter1138> reason: either extra code is needed or the move command needs to be told to ignore the limit for the duration of the autoreplace 13:00:31 <Darkvater> how can you ignore the physical limit? 13:00:39 <peter1138> it's a part solution, i know that :P 13:01:02 <peter1138> how? by not doing a check... 13:01:45 <Darkvater> but then the command needs to go into the workaround-bin 13:01:50 <peter1138> yes 13:01:51 <peter1138> exactly 13:01:53 <Darkvater> like cmdremovelongroad, etc. 13:01:56 <peter1138> hence i didn't do it 13:02:19 <Darkvater> but you agree with me that 13:02:21 <Darkvater> 14:59 <@peter1138> Darkvater: re autoreplace, with that patch it still fails with wagon removal on 13:02:24 <Darkvater> is bad 13:02:26 <peter1138> yes i know 13:02:53 <peter1138> sorry, i didn't for it to be a final solution 13:02:58 <Darkvater> :) 13:03:01 <peter1138> just part way to the goal 13:03:13 <peter1138> and 13:03:30 <peter1138> i still think that is better than leaving the wagons in the depot with an empty engine roaming around 13:04:17 <Eddi|zuHause> suggestion: when you attempt to readd the wagons, split the last wagon first 13:04:40 <Darkvater> yes, that's better 13:04:52 <Eddi|zuHause> so you add 1 less wagon, which should always work 13:05:08 <Eddi|zuHause> then add the last wagon, which might fail 13:05:12 <Eddi|zuHause> if it does, just sell it 13:05:40 <peter1138> yes, that was going to be my next step 13:06:04 <peter1138> alas, i'm at work 13:06:08 <peter1138> and i never do ottd stuff at work 13:06:14 <Darkvater> o_O 13:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> right ;) 13:06:30 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25528&highlight= 13:06:41 <Darkvater> try this savegame with YAPF and with NPF 13:06:54 <peter1138> breaks? 13:07:03 <Darkvater> no, unplayable 13:07:05 <Darkvater> with npf 13:07:06 <peter1138> oh 13:07:11 <peter1138> and with yapf? 13:07:19 <Darkvater> smooth 13:07:22 <blathijs> :-) 13:07:24 <peter1138> excellent 13:07:24 <blathijs> Nice 13:07:30 <peter1138> who wrote npf? ;) 13:07:31 <Darkvater> 80% cpu though 13:07:34 <peter1138> hmm 13:07:35 <blathijs> *cough* 13:07:56 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:08:04 <peter1138> ^^ 13:09:02 <blathijs> Nice to see that yapf performs so much better :-) 13:09:41 <Darkvater> 15:06 <@peter1138> and i never do ottd stuff at work < don't worry we believe you 13:10:07 <Vornicus> MONKEYPANTS 13:10:07 <Darkvater> what commands does autoreplace exactly go through? 13:10:37 <peter1138> build, move and sell 13:11:14 <Darkvater> hmm, can it be more lenient towards move? 13:11:16 <peter1138> actually i think it's build sell move, then sell-if-wagon-removal 13:11:24 <Darkvater> eg NOT fail the whole thing if 1 move fails 13:11:33 <Darkvater> no wait, then it would work 13:12:00 <Darkvater> doesn't it do sell first? so the orders, etc. are copied? 13:12:08 <peter1138> yeah 13:12:11 <peter1138> you're probably right 13:12:11 <peter1138> however 13:12:30 <peter1138> it only does 1 move 13:12:42 <peter1138> and it is lenient on it 13:12:50 <peter1138> hence you end up with wagons in the depot, and a lone engine 13:13:24 <Darkvater> so it moves in one chucnk 13:13:30 <peter1138> yes 13:14:02 <Darkvater> CmdMoveRailVehicle, p2 bit 0 set 13:14:37 <Darkvater> heh, another ugly function... 13:14:50 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 13:14:55 <peter1138> move of it is checks to see if it can happen 13:15:25 <Darkvater> hmm how about 13:16:08 <peter1138> -move+most 13:16:08 <Darkvater> you move the whole chunk in one. if it fails you return an error with an error-message (like too-many-wagons). Then autoreplace tries moving again with one less 13:16:16 <Darkvater> if that fails abort the whole thing 13:16:35 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6556.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 13:16:39 <peter1138> could work 13:16:56 <Darkvater> still a bit hacky 13:17:13 <Darkvater> but moving-all-wagons-in-one should not be present at all since it's not a user-function 13:17:21 <Darkvater> or be called a seperate function 13:17:44 <Eddi|zuHause> at what edge of the map is the tile (0,0)? 13:18:01 <Darkvater> top-left 13:18:08 <Darkvater> you could've 13:18:12 <Darkvater> 1. used the query tool 13:18:18 <Darkvater> 2. console > 'scrollto 0' 13:18:54 <peter1138> not a user-function? 13:18:59 <Darkvater> or is it? 13:19:04 <TinoM> question: i've build a bus in a depot, which is not properly connected to a road. now when started, the bus can't get out of the depot. i can't call it back to the depot, i can't sell it, i can't destroy the depot. is this intentional? 13:19:07 <peter1138> what do you mean by that? 13:19:14 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, that is a funny command :) 13:19:22 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:19:57 <Darkvater> peter1138: eh nothing :p 13:20:05 <Darkvater> it is a user-command (with CTRL+move) 13:20:09 <peter1138> yeah 13:20:26 <Darkvater> TinoM: why did you start the bus then? 13:20:46 <peter1138> heh 13:20:49 <peter1138> it's true though 13:20:52 <Darkvater> TinoM: with the depot-window open when the bus appears inside the depot, quickly stop it 13:20:54 <TinoM> ;) i didn't see, that the road had the wrong slope 13:21:08 <peter1138> it shouldn't fail to find the depot 13:21:12 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 13:21:12 <peter1138> just because it's at the depot... 13:21:33 <TinoM> and i can't destroy the road, it belongs to a city 13:22:00 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@62-99-243-225.geidorf.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 13:22:10 <hylje> :| 13:22:20 <Darkvater> TinoM: do as I said 13:22:39 <Trenskow> TinoM build lots of tries around the city. then your rating raises, and you might be able to destroy the road 13:22:42 <peter1138> *sigh* 13:22:51 <peter1138> i hate this asp :( 13:23:01 <Trenskow> if peter1138's example fails 13:23:19 <peter1138> mine? 13:23:31 <hylje> asp? the m$ thing? 13:23:33 <Darkvater> still at IsIndexOf? 13:23:33 <Trenskow> sorry. Darkvater 13:23:54 <peter1138> Darkvater: no, moved on to something totally different 13:24:20 *** Trenskow is now known as Trenskow^away 13:24:21 <Trenskow^away> cya 13:25:34 <TinoM> Darkvater, thx, stopping the bus is working *stupidme* 13:25:44 <Darkvater> TinoM: turn on NPF and press goto depot 13:25:46 <Darkvater> then it finds it 13:26:00 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176114094.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:26:04 <Darkvater> he YAPF doesn't work :P 13:26:45 <Darkvater> TinoM: oh, good, cause I couldn't get it to stop exactly at the right moment ;p 13:27:01 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has joined #openttd 13:28:10 <TinoM> there should be a check: when a vehicle can't leave the depot -> stay there ;) 13:28:26 <Darkvater> there should be a check against ... users 13:28:36 <Darkvater> fill in yourself according to taste ^^ 13:28:51 <TinoM> ;) 13:29:14 <peter1138> spicy 13:30:08 <RichK67> woohoo - its Darkvater... king of code-correctness ;) 13:30:13 <TinoM> nah, the problem was, the exit of the depot was facing to the upperright so after building it, the sloped road was hidden by it 13:30:33 <Darkvater> RichK67: found another thing :D 13:30:42 * RichK67 cries :( 13:31:10 <RichK67> you want the credit line to read "Darkvater corrected this" ;) 13:31:14 <Darkvater> *insert evil laugh* 13:31:31 <Darkvater> I think Tron'll get upset, that's his job ;) 13:31:33 <TinoM> but you are right, 99.99999% the time the problem sits in front of the computer *g* 13:31:35 <RichK67> ok ... one *last* thing (please) 13:32:02 <Sacro> PEBKAC :P 13:32:02 <Darkvater> oh and adhere to the commit-log-style ;D 13:32:17 <RichK67> (Im spending too much worktime on this... :( ) 13:32:19 <Darkvater> hmm what else can I come up with? 13:32:59 <Darkvater> TinoM: it is strange though the vehicle cannot find the depot inside the depot. With NPF it works and after we tell this to KUDr it'll work with YAPF as well 13:33:21 <TinoM> but respect to the coders: i got OpenTTD compiled on the first try with Eclipse/CDT/MinGW under Win. That has never happened with any other multi-os-open-source-software... 13:34:35 <RichK67> woohoo... "Patch approved" 13:34:51 <Darkvater> no wait, that's a mistake! 13:34:58 * TinoM is new to OpenTTD, but he thinks NPF and YAPF are two different approaches of wayfinding implementations? 13:35:00 * Darkvater franatically tries to find something else 13:35:11 <Darkvater> TinoM: yes 13:35:22 <TinoM> k 13:35:35 <Darkvater> TinoM: well that's good to hear. I once tried it with Eclipse, took me an hour to find out how to even start the damn debugger 13:36:26 <TinoM> that's something i'll try *after* my exams next week ;) 13:36:40 <TinoM> along with digging deeper into the source of openttd 13:36:49 <RichK67> DV: PM sent 13:37:58 <Belugas> very long dive, TinoM 13:38:05 <Belugas> ho.. not dive.. dig 13:38:15 <Belugas> sorry, I have an obsession ;) 13:38:25 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=451458#451458 13:38:35 <Darkvater> ^^ check bobingabout's comment :D 13:38:48 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176096241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:39:03 * Darkvater slaps RichK67 for sending another diff 13:40:22 <RichK67> yeah, well, i could have asked you to replace the one tab with 5 spaces, but ..... 13:41:00 <Darkvater> waaiit...I think you have the wrong impression 13:41:11 <Darkvater> I am NOT going to commit this 13:41:19 * Sacro hates bobingabout 13:41:44 <Sacro> Darkvater: is that what you do now your retired? 13:41:58 <Darkvater> *psst* I need rest 13:42:44 <RichK67> er.... you want me to do it??? eek!! 13:42:52 <Maedhros> Darkvater: i get that same 'Error: !Disconnecting train' error with that savegame, with r5130 13:43:00 <Darkvater> yet another possibility to screw up :) 13:43:20 <Darkvater> Maedhros: with my config? 13:43:21 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:43:29 <Maedhros> the useful part of the error message being: 'openttd: openttd.c:89: error: Assertion `0' failed.' 13:43:35 <Eddi|zuHause> eek... 8MB ;) 13:43:39 <Maedhros> Darkvater: yeah, with your config too 13:43:44 <Darkvater> no the useful part is !disconnecting train 13:44:10 <Maedhros> ah, ok then :) 13:45:14 <RichK67> ok - what should be the commit line?? -Feature: Added 4 New Airports. Coded by RichK67. plus extra waffle about which they are.... ???? 13:45:48 <Darkvater> you don't need the 'coded by' part since it's you who is committing it 13:45:59 <RichK67> true 13:46:02 <Darkvater> yeah, perhaps some waffles 13:46:04 <Darkvater> and 13:46:05 <Darkvater> - Feature: 13:46:12 <Darkvater> ^ 13:46:18 <peter1138> - Feature: BIRD'S EYE POTATO WAFFLES 13:46:21 <RichK67> -Feature: [NewAirports} ... 13:46:28 <RichK67> not } ... ] 13:46:29 <Darkvater> - Feature: 13:46:32 <peter1138> -<SPACE>Feature 13:46:38 <Darkvater> ;p 13:46:43 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 13:46:44 <Sacro> they're waffley versatile? 13:46:51 <Darkvater> peter1138: come one I was having such fun 13:48:09 <peter1138> exactly, sacro 13:48:21 <RichK67> ok - looks like KUDr mistyped his last "- Feature" entry... 13:48:22 <Prof_Frink> Waffle is not a feature. 13:48:26 <Prof_Frink> He is a bug. 13:48:28 * Sacro quite fancies some now...with cheese on 13:48:47 <RichK67> ok - devs... GO / NO GO for New Airports??? 13:49:07 <Darkvater> I want waffles 13:49:27 <Darkvater> it's fine by me 13:50:05 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F9B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:50:16 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3F9B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i get !disconnecting train, too 13:50:43 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F9B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:44 <Darkvater> ah, the bridge-merge 13:50:45 <Darkvater> hehe 13:50:46 <Darkvater> hi Tron 13:51:25 <Tron> hm? 13:51:26 <Sacro> RichK67: GO :) 13:51:45 <Tron> what about the merge? except nobody told me about it 13:52:13 <Belugas> New Airports from RichK67 13:52:40 <Belugas> Hello Tron, by the way :) 13:52:43 <Tron> hi 13:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean you use r5069 and r5070 broke the savegame? 13:53:27 <Darkvater> hmm seems the bridge-merge broke certain savegames with trains on a bridge at the moment of saving 13:53:42 <Tron> no, really? 13:53:44 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause: no I mean I had 5069 lying around 13:53:48 <Tron> how /unexpected/ 13:54:04 <Tron> oh, here's the missing sarcasm tag: <sarcasm> 13:54:15 <Darkvater> we just have to figure out if it was intentional or not ;) 13:55:10 <Tron> i still don't want my bridge changes in the trunk 13:55:15 <Eddi|zuHause> but... if pre-bridge is fine, that guy should not have these problems with 0.4.7 13:55:27 <Tron> because i /know/ it's unfinished 13:55:56 <RichK67> ok - im ready to hit OK.... final call for New Airports... "would New Airports please proceed to boarding immediately"... :) 13:56:08 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause: he doesn't have these problems in 0.4.7. In fact it doesn't even load in 0.4.7 13:56:24 <Belugas> Tron : How far from completion do you think it is, apart from gui glitches? 13:56:57 <Belugas> RichK67, you should hold your horses a tiny little bit. 13:57:32 <RichK67> cancelled :( 13:58:36 <Tron> Belugas: about a parsec 13:59:06 <RichK67> Belugas: what is the issue... its been through an extensive Darkvater-grinding process.... im exhausted, he's exhausted... its ready... 13:59:35 <Belugas> Tron : At least, it is not a light year :) Do you think it can be finished in trunk? 13:59:47 <Tron> Belugas: a parsec is about 3 lightyears 14:00:01 <Tron> Belugas: no, it needs changes to the savegame format 14:00:17 <Belugas> I should have checked before typing :S 14:00:33 <Darkvater> < bbs 14:00:46 <RichK67> DV: ty 14:00:57 <Darkvater> ? 14:01:00 <peter1138> so how long, in reality? :P 14:01:09 <Belugas> So you suggest to bring back in his branch and continue. right? 14:01:09 <Darkvater> I said 'be back soon'; what is there to thank about? 14:01:36 <peter1138> oh, you mean you're not a dial up bulletin board system? 14:01:49 <RichK67> for your help and lengthy assistance 14:01:54 <peter1138> Belugas? 14:02:13 <Belugas> I was replying to Tron, peter1138 14:02:24 <Darkvater> RichK67: :) 14:02:26 <Darkvater> peter1138: you can try 14:02:29 <peter1138> it still doesn't make sense 14:03:05 <Darkvater> he says remove bridge from trunk/ and continue devving in branch/bridge 14:03:49 <RichK67> ok - ill be back later, and will commit tonight from home; or does it need another round-the-devs process? 14:03:55 <peter1138> oh, s/his/its/ ? 14:04:04 <peter1138> ish 14:04:08 <peter1138> french speakers, heh 14:04:29 <Belugas> RichK67 : don't get me wrong. I love your airports. I'm sure you and DV have made a terrific job on it. But it would be better, I think, if all devs (present in here) check it out. 14:05:44 <Belugas> yeah... it's true, my reply to Tron does not make real meaning... 14:05:58 * Belugas goes back in coding and shuts up 14:06:54 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 14:07:49 <Tron> Belugas: in fact i never was asked how to proceed with my work, it was just commited to trunk without asking me 14:07:59 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:08:31 <Tron> Belugas: at very least the way it is stored in the map ought to change 14:08:59 <Tron> Belugas: also there are many aspects which haven't been considered and/or tested yet 14:09:49 <Belugas> True. Although many users have been tested it while you were busy. 14:10:00 <Belugas> Not saying everything might have been spotted... 14:10:24 <Tron> i know what "many users" means 14:10:52 <Belugas> ok... a few :) 14:12:33 <RichK67> all devs: NewAirports trunk-candidate posted here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=451540#451540 please respond with comments. I would prefer we get NewAirports out of the way, as it is holding up final development of TGP maps. 14:13:01 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... what happened to "in trunk, a lot more people are testing it" and "there is no rule that trunk has to be bugfree"? 14:13:13 <peter1138> tgp maps depends on airports? 14:13:23 <peter1138> hmm 14:13:31 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:13:34 <RichK67> no, i just dont have time to do them all at the same time 14:14:12 <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: i don't want to bump the savegame version unnecessarily. every conversion is a PITA 14:14:31 <RichK67> if i spend 2 hours tarting up the space-alignment of NewAirports, that is 2 hours not spent bugfixing in TGP 14:14:44 <Tron> i'm more interested in more/better map generators than airports 14:15:22 <RichK67> well airports is ready for final final approval.... DV has said "Patch approved" to the latest version 14:17:11 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["Possessed"] 14:17:43 <Sacro> commit airports and ill test it from trunk :) 14:21:59 <[Shaman]> If it's in miniIN i'll compile and test tonight :P 14:22:13 <Sacro> noooooo, not miniIN 14:22:14 <Sacro> :P 14:23:03 <[Shaman]> RichK67: The old minty's district n/w airports were a bit dodgy you were aware of that right? 14:23:36 <[Shaman]> (old as in last pre-svn one) 14:24:15 *** Hallo [n=me@141.24.48.94] has joined #openttd 14:24:49 <RichK67> well, the district airports are *not* in this patch.... they need a redesign 14:25:43 <RichK67> although my preferred next airport project is a long diagonal runway, but that needs several new tiles creating 14:26:14 <Darkvater> next ariport projects is newairports ;) 14:26:31 <RichK67> aircraft can already land/take off in any of the 8 directions, so its just a graphics issue really 14:26:55 <RichK67> yeah, well Ive got your OK, but Belugas wants it rechecked :( 14:27:07 <Darkvater> haha 14:27:26 * RichK67 adds 6 months to the ETA ;) 14:28:34 * RichK67 thinks... how on earth did KUDr's YAPF get added past this depth of scrutineering.... 14:28:45 <Darkvater> he was doing it in C++ 14:28:47 <Darkvater> ;p 14:28:59 <Matt-W> What, you check C++ less? 14:29:02 * Matt-W makes a note of that 14:29:07 <Belugas> RichK67 : Ok... Give me until friday. 14:29:08 <RichK67> hmm :) 14:29:18 <peter1138> Matt-W: that's no use if you've not started ;p 14:29:24 <Matt-W> True 14:29:35 <Matt-W> I'll go and sit in my hole for another month 14:29:40 <Darkvater> Matt-W: you shoul 14:29:42 <Darkvater> dammit 14:30:12 <peter1138> :( 14:30:12 <Matt-W> I really need to get my thoughts down about this 14:30:18 <Matt-W> And do some code to see how it works 14:30:26 <RichK67> :( Belugas, its been months waiting, has been totally stable in MiniIN for 2 months, and has been grilled by DV - surely a quick 10mins is all that is needed 14:30:30 <Matt-W> I'm pretty sure whatever I do someone's going to hate it though 14:32:45 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|work 14:33:12 <Belugas> RichK67, please... Be patient. I have a crazy schedule. I'm at work, right now, and 10 minutes is a long time... 14:33:40 <RichK67> ok.... but you can bet I am *NOT* going to accept this level of "what does this do" on TGP... im not spending weeks explaining to every dev exactly how Perlin Noise works, and why... its waaaaaaaaaaaaay to complicated to do it simply. (although tgp.c is THE most heavily commented file I have seen in OTTD) 14:34:01 <Belugas> lunch break is an hour and a half away... 14:34:26 <RichK67> Belugas: i can only catch most of the devs during my work time too :( 14:34:27 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82635.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:35:25 <Belugas> I'm here from 9"00 to 5:00 Quebec time, monday to friday :) 14:35:33 <Belugas> a slave I am 14:35:43 <RichK67> in fact, why not allow it to be committed, and if there is anything horrendous, it can be pulled. DV has said "yes", so you can be sure its 99%+ ok.... please... go on... ;) 14:36:22 <RichK67> (I could commit, and be damned anyway, but i dont work like that ;) ) 14:36:57 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:37:01 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:37:43 <Darkvater> RichK67: you're asking the wrong questions 14:37:53 <Darkvater> Belugas: why do you want to look at it and why do you think it's broken? 14:38:01 <RichK67> damn... i knew there was a secret handshake... 14:39:05 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B82635.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:40:15 <Tron> i think the main problem is it changes stored stuff and is therefore hardly reversible 14:40:34 <Tron> (which btw is the reason why i wanted to keep my stuff in a branch till it's done) 14:40:49 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:40:52 <Belugas> I never said it was broken. I just think that all devs should have a chance to look at it. All opinions must be considered 14:41:09 <Darkvater> ah 14:41:09 <Brianetta> Not mine 14:41:16 <Belugas> see, another opinion :) 14:41:18 <Darkvater> I was under the impression that I was the last one to look at 14:41:23 <Brianetta> If you consider my opinions, you'll have a lot of listening to do 14:42:19 <peter1138> icecream!!!"! 14:42:25 <Belugas> Darkvater : no, only you and Celestar were frequently looking at it. I watched the progress, took two or three good look at it, but never a full reading 14:42:27 <Darkvater> orudge: PING 14:43:22 <orudge> PONG 14:43:27 * orudge has just got back from Tesco 14:43:28 <Darkvater> orudge: you know 14:43:31 <orudge> Yup, I do 14:43:40 <orudge> and it's now time for food. You pick the most inopportune moments ;) 14:43:41 <Darkvater> and what excuse this time? :) 14:43:45 <orudge> I did get started on the ol' accounts the other day, though 14:43:53 <orudge> All I can say is there are a load of donations ther e:p 14:43:57 <orudge> They just need accounting for. 14:44:50 <Darkvater> people go to jail for that, did you know? :) 14:45:05 <Darkvater> Tesco is nice. Did you get any chocolate muffins? 14:45:21 <orudge> Well, I haven't done anything wrong, I just haven't finished counting everything up yet :p 14:45:23 <orudge> and no, I didn't 14:45:26 <orudge> I did get some French bread, though 14:45:37 <peter1138> tesco tiger baguette++ 14:45:52 <peter1138> though they only seem to have it at weekends 14:48:44 <Matt-W> (tesco finest baton)++ <- sort of soft and moist and nice to have for lunch 14:49:22 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B850BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:49:29 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B850BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:51:17 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6556.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 14:53:00 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:10:36 *** dp__ [n=dp@p54B2CBE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:10:42 *** Osai is now known as Osai^away 15:14:26 <Darkvater> so to prepare some food now 15:20:01 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:19 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2D4DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:22:19 *** dp__ is now known as dp-- 15:30:57 <Sacro> right then peoples :P 15:31:13 <Eddi|zuHause> why is RoadBits enumerated in positive orientation, while Direction is negative orientation? 15:31:40 <Eddi|zuHause> consistency-- 15:37:55 <Sacro> hmm 15:38:14 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:38:40 <Eddi|zuHause> (negative == clockwise, positive == counter clockwise) 15:39:11 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 15:39:49 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 15:40:23 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 15:40:47 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has quit ["Caught sigterm, terminating..."] 15:41:11 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has joined #openttd 15:43:24 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 15:45:32 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 15:47:11 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 15:49:59 *** Trenskow^away is now known as Trenskow 15:58:51 <Eddi|zuHause> urgs... the more i look at this code, the more i get lost in magic... 15:58:54 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-9969.bb.online.no] has quit ["edgepro: Why are you staring at my shoes? They're perfectly normal."] 15:58:57 <Sacro> lol 15:59:15 <Eddi|zuHause> this code definitely could use more comments 15:59:58 *** xahodo [n=xander@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 16:00:28 <Belugas> Delete window. It has a checkbox "Destroy permanently". You take the time to check it on. Next dialog : "Destroy cannot be undoe; information will be lost permamently! Continue anyway?" 16:00:38 <Belugas> Well... Yeah... Duh 16:00:54 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: playing wi' Vista? 16:00:57 <Belugas> Or at least, remember that I have said yes the frsit time o_O 16:01:01 <Belugas> no, 16:01:15 <RichK67> users are stupid... may have clicked box by accident 16:01:21 <Belugas> doing source purging in Microsoft Visual Studio 16:01:56 <Belugas> users could be stupid, but a dev should be a little more trusted, for god Sake! 16:03:10 * Eddi|zuHause looks for a program that can generate me a call graph and a definition graph of ottd code 16:04:24 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-59-62.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:04:42 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-9969.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:05:34 <Brianetta> A passenger in a taxi tapped the driver on the shoulder to ask him something. The driver screamed, lost control of the cab, nearly hit a bus, drove up over the curb, and stopped just inches from a large plate glass window. 16:05:44 <Vornicus> Eddi: the thing would eat your mind. 16:05:45 <Brianetta> For a few moments everything was silent in the cab, then the driver said, " Please, don't ever do that again. You scared the daylights out of me." 16:06:00 <Sacro> ... 16:06:14 <Brianetta> The passenger, who was also frightened, apologized and said he didn't realize that a tap on the shoulder could frighten him so much. 16:06:18 <Vornicus> I think it's already eaten Tron's and DV's. 16:06:30 <Brianetta> To which the Taxi driver responded, "I'm sorry, it's really not your fault at all. Today is my first day driving a cab. I have been driving a hearse for the last 25 years!" 16:07:31 <Sacro> hehe 16:07:52 <Vornicus> sad 16:08:20 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe ;) 16:08:45 *** dfox [n=dfox@r3bk86.chello.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:09:08 <Vornicus> also, belugas? I've known some dang-stupid programmers 16:09:12 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62-99-243-225.geidorf.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:09:36 <Belugas> well... 16:09:54 <Belugas> they don't last long anyway 16:10:22 <Belugas> At work, they are easy to spot 16:11:14 *** xahodo [n=xander@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [] 16:11:24 <peter1138> hmm 16:13:21 *** bebble [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 16:13:55 <Belugas> and further on, you don't give beginners full access to the repos 16:14:06 *** UnderBuilder [i=UnderBui@168.226.106.34] has joined #openttd 16:14:14 <peter1138> hmm? 16:14:31 <peter1138> i have to :( 16:14:36 <peter1138> most of the time they don't use it 16:14:40 <peter1138> they don't have a clue 16:14:54 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:16:32 <UnderBuilder> hmmm... I noted that there are some 'reference images' lacking in http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Enhanced_GFX_replacement. Can I extract the sprites from the original grf's and put there or I have to do it from a screenshot ingame? 16:17:25 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:17:46 <Eddi|zuHause> err... i don't think anyone can differentiate that afterwards ;) 16:18:19 <UnderBuilder> so I can extract the sprites from the tr*1r.grf no? :) 16:18:23 <Ihmemies> the gfx should be made of vectors and effects and textures rendered afterwards! :D 16:18:54 <Prof_Frink> UnderBuilder: yes, with grfcodec 16:19:16 <Prof_Frink> Look on the ttdpatch site 16:19:29 <Noldo> Ihmemies: you are willing to do the 3d engine? 16:19:30 <Alltaken> UnderBuilder: extracting is fine :P 16:19:37 <Alltaken> thats how the others were done 16:19:41 <UnderBuilder> I know how to use grfcodec, I used it sometimes 16:20:26 <UnderBuilder> only 1/2 sprites from each vehicle or all? 16:21:57 * Belugas reads an airport patch 16:22:35 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 16:22:40 <UnderBuilder> and what image hosting need I? anyone? 16:24:08 <Alltaken> http://gallery.mudpuddle.co.nz 16:24:12 <Alltaken> down the bottom 16:24:28 <Alltaken> dunno if you can upload images there or not, but i can open it up for the night 16:26:18 <UnderBuilder> ok 16:26:40 <UnderBuilder> ah and what is the file of the desert graphics? 16:26:44 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:27:42 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1670.lns2-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:28:36 <Dred_furst> Hey 16:28:57 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:30:00 <Belugas> RichK67 : ping 16:30:41 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 16:31:31 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Client Quit] 16:32:11 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 16:32:26 <Sacro> grrr, how'd you model tube stock 16:32:39 <Eddi|zuHause> UnderBuilder: there's one tr*.grf for each climate 16:33:49 <RichK67> pong :) 16:34:01 <UnderBuilder> I know but I don't remember what one is the desert 16:34:19 <UnderBuilder> I will try it anyway :) 16:34:40 <Belugas> RichK67 Little question : 16:34:48 <RichK67> fire away 16:35:09 <Belugas> What if a savegame is used owith an exec that does not countain newairports? 16:35:24 <Belugas> the stationids are stored within the savegame 16:35:44 <Belugas> With multiplayer, it does not matter beause of exec-version 16:35:59 <Belugas> but single player would most likely crach 16:36:23 <Belugas> since there is no indication of newairport 16:36:24 <RichK67> if we say the commit is r5150, then if you save a post-5150 game, and try to load it in pre-5150, it may not work... 16:36:50 <RichK67> but then that is no different to every other development 16:37:01 <Belugas> if the savegame bump is not changed, it will load 16:37:14 <Belugas> and crash because of ids 16:37:50 <RichK67> it will load, but then you will get IsBuoy( t) asserts when it checks the stationIds 16:38:34 <RichK67> if you load a pre-5150 with airports into a post-5150, it will load without problems 16:38:57 <Belugas> but asserts 16:39:07 <Belugas> ho.. no... 16:39:18 <Belugas> forget last post 16:39:22 <RichK67> its like saying "load a post-yapf game in a pre-yapf version".... 16:39:59 <glx> RichK67: in that case it fails to load and doesn't assert 16:40:35 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:40:44 <RichK67> ok - so what is resolution on this?? bump the savegame version? 16:42:19 <Belugas> saveload revision 16:42:35 *** bebble [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:42:35 *** shintah is now known as bebble 16:42:59 <UnderBuilder> the steel trucks and the paper ones are the same no? 16:43:45 <RichK67> it was savegame version when i last checked .... lets see.... const uint16 SAVEGAME_VERSION = 29; 16:43:50 <RichK67> :P 16:44:10 <UnderBuilder> I mean by graphics 16:44:16 <Belugas> that is the point. I would make it 30 16:44:27 <Belugas> as a signature 16:44:33 <RichK67> ok, so in other words; "yes" :) 16:44:41 <brygge_2> dfhn 16:44:47 <Belugas> depends to what ;) 16:44:58 <peter1138> UnderBuilder: no 16:45:37 <peter1138> so what about the landscape generator? ;) 16:45:38 <RichK67> so that would allow older versions of OTTD to recognise that it is a newer version savegame at load stage... 16:46:13 <Belugas> exactly, yes 16:46:15 <peter1138> i'd not touch anything saveload related until the bridge stuff is cleared up 16:46:15 <UnderBuilder> when they are empty they are similar 16:46:30 <Belugas> good point peter1138 16:46:49 <Belugas> since we do not know if/when it will be reverted 16:47:01 <peter1138> empty might be the same 16:47:01 <RichK67> TGP needs no save stats at all; unless we want to save the map random seed in each map (essential for debugging) 16:47:19 <peter1138> RichK67: i meant in general. it's more interesting that airports, heh 16:48:03 <RichK67> probably better to bump the version with newairports, and modify it back down if bridges gets pulled 16:48:50 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds horrible 16:48:54 <RichK67> TGP is getting prettier by the day, but my latest version now asserts more often than it used to 16:49:33 <peter1138> what's the difficulty with industries btw? they... "work" with the existing generator, don't they? 16:49:34 <RichK67> (but still rarely enough that it is hard to get it to do one while looking for it :( ) 16:49:35 <Eddi|zuHause> RichK67: if you do fine tuning, with rough terrain, the mountains could be a tad steeper ;) 16:51:05 <RichK67> eddi: i could modify the initial persistence values to give a chance of a more vertically varied terrain, but it is still only a chance; there is still the possibility it produces a flat terrain on mountainous... its random ;) 16:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause> sure it's random... but you can vary the chances towards it, i assume ;) 16:52:08 <RichK67> industries... existing code checks that the platform base is *flat*... the extra variance in the fine detail on TGP means that there is little likelihood of finding a *flat* area; so it now makes one 16:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause> how about trying to place industries on foundations? 16:53:02 <RichK67> eddi: only in the persistence value - for "mountainous" i also add a second terrain on top of the first, so it should have a vertical bias 16:53:10 <UnderBuilder> I have extracted some sprites but the http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Enhanced_GFX_replacement page is protected so I can't put the images there 16:53:42 <UnderBuilder> it goes to another page or how do I it? 16:53:45 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B80533.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:56 <RichK67> eddi: industries sort of do already, but frankly woods and iron ore mines look stupid on foundations (that was my first check) 16:54:13 <peter1138> hehe 16:55:10 <RichK67> the problem with them is solved now, so its a mute issue; TGP uses a new industry placement method... because it does :) 16:55:46 <peter1138> moot 16:55:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i know :) but i am not too fond of the results... it sometimes messes up the landscape unnecessarily 16:56:06 <RichK67> yup... although mute is the right response too :) 16:56:28 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54944B42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:33 <RichK67> eddi: you havent even used the latest version; its not in MiniIN yet 16:56:54 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F9B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 16:56:57 <Eddi|zuHause> fine, then show me ;) 16:58:08 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80533.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:58:10 <RichK67> latest version; requirements for placing an industry: must be within 1 height level of main tile, must not be occupied by anything other than trees or clear, must not terraform level in a way that affects non tree/clear tiles surrounding 16:58:50 <RichK67> first restriction means that it doesnt create an industry on its own private hill :) 16:59:17 <Eddi|zuHause> looks quite nice ;) 16:59:39 <Eddi|zuHause> what is the "main tile"? 16:59:43 <RichK67> did i post it? oh, maybe i did 17:00:03 <RichK67> if you are placing an industry manually, its the tile thats highlighted 17:00:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i meant "look" in the theoretical sense ;) 17:01:11 <RichK67> in a live game, it will only try to place at that tile. in the scengen, if the main tile fails to place, it tries surrounding tiles. I would love to switch that "feature" off, but i cant work out where it does it :( 17:02:02 <RichK67> nothing more annoying when trying to generate a scenario than to have the industry placed 8 tiles away from where you clicked in another town's catchment area :( 17:02:17 <Eddi|zuHause> using a center tile as height reference might give more suitible results 17:03:15 <RichK67> makes no difference... it will still be from where you click, at the height you click, and cover the same area.... 17:04:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean for the terraforming 17:04:26 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 17:04:45 <UnderBuilder> no replies to my problem? 17:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have 2 height levels (+1,0,-1) difference in the area the industry gets placed, it is more likely, that the height 0 tiles are in the center, -1 at one side, and +1 at the other side 17:05:51 <RichK67> eddi: i dont think it makes any difference now... the new TGP behaviour places the industry at the same location it would be placed in current OTTD 17:06:41 <RichK67> eddi: cant assume that; ive had plenty of different cases ive tried... steep hills, etc. its fine... trust me ;) 17:07:02 <Eddi|zuHause> so, if you choose a height 0 tile as reference tile, the industry can be placed, while if you use a +-1 tile, it refuses to build 17:07:17 <RichK67> underbuilder: sorry i dont know about the wiki pages 17:09:09 <RichK67> eddi: depends on the terrain... one of my tests would not place it (correctly) in one location as to level it down would have destroyed houses. but if you pre-prepared the site level with the houses, then it placed fine; both are correct results 17:09:14 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82635.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Success] 17:09:15 <Belugas> UnderBuilder : Have you tried to log on? 17:09:47 <Belugas> as in... create a login account... 17:10:05 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B82635.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:10:07 <Belugas> or ask MeusH and/or MiHaMiX when any wold show up 17:10:25 <RichK67> eddi: the current OTTD system would reject all the locations my new one succeeds in, since my routine can do some simple levelling 17:10:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i was trying to look through the town code, as it annoys me how the towns destroy the terrain, but i was getting insane because of it ;) 17:10:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i know ;) 17:10:44 <RichK67> eddi: agreed, that is one of my pet hates too 17:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean insane from looking at the code 17:11:27 <RichK67> i suffered badly from that doing the africa scenario... i would place a coastal town, and it would invent new land, and carve away the nice hills behind :( 17:13:26 <Eddi|zuHause> radical solution: rip out all references to terraforming code from the town code... so it only does foundations if possible 17:15:03 <RichK67> i could live with that :) 17:15:16 <RichK67> TGP function? 17:16:03 <Eddi|zuHause> well... alternative would be: rip out all the town (growing) code, and replace it with some sensible AI 17:16:12 <Dred_furst> Where do external symbols get defined? 17:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause> in another file 17:16:41 <Dred_furst> Because im getting errors with the copy and paste patch 17:16:52 <Dred_furst> openttd error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol @ClearCommandQueue@0 17:17:05 <Eddi|zuHause> forgot to add file to the makefile 17:17:17 <Dred_furst> where do i set them? 17:17:54 <RichK67> what compiler? 17:18:04 <Dred_furst> VSC7 17:19:08 <RichK67> hmm - is it .sln file for VSC7??? or does it go in the .vcproj??? or both??? 17:19:39 <Dred_furst> .sln, 17:19:46 <Eddi|zuHause> wherever all the other files are specified ;) 17:20:09 <Dred_furst> hmm 17:20:27 <Dred_furst> RichK67 how hard is it to compile with MinGW? 17:21:37 <UnderBuilder> I registered but nothing happens :| 17:21:53 <Sacro> Dred_furst: cd into the folder, type "make" and away she goes 17:21:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Dred_furst: i would assume, you can just add the file to the project in the IDE... that's what it is there for ;) 17:22:12 <Dred_furst> hmm 17:22:23 <Dred_furst> Which MinGW file do i need to download? 17:22:47 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:22:49 <Dred_furst> 3.0.1? 17:22:53 <UnderBuilder> maybe I need to wait someone that know more... 17:23:19 <Sacro> Dred_furst: theres a tutorial on the wiki 17:23:31 <RichK67> i love MingW... very easy 17:23:35 <Dred_furst> Will readm ij LO] 17:23:38 <Dred_furst> *:P 17:23:57 <Sacro> not as nice as having Linux though 17:23:57 <Eddi|zuHause> *PARSE ERROR* 17:24:02 <RichK67> ok time to head home 17:24:06 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-59-62.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:24:24 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 17:31:55 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 17:36:21 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:42:29 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-130-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 17:44:56 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-130-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:45:20 <UnderBuilder> can I post the extracted sprites in the forum so someone that have access to http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Enhanced_GFX_replacement edit it? 17:46:42 <Eddi|zuHause> could anybody prevent you from doing it? 17:51:09 <MiHaMiX> UnderBuilder: hi 17:51:34 <MiHaMiX> UnderBuilder: why don't you upload the extracted sprites to the wiki? 17:56:52 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B80533.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:58:30 <UnderBuilder> mmm.... how do I that? =S 17:59:46 <MiHaMiX> UnderBuilder: register yourself at the wiki and upload the file afterwards 18:07:12 <UnderBuilder> and when I upload it, how I add the image to the page? 18:07:19 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80533.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:09:00 <UnderBuilder> or maybe I make a zip or rar file with all the sprites inside? 18:09:15 <MiHaMiX> UnderBuilder: [[Image:filename.jpg]] 18:09:34 <MiHaMiX> UnderBuilder: no rar 18:11:24 <UnderBuilder> mmm.... and how I add it to http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Enhanced_GFX_replacement 18:11:36 <UnderBuilder> I haven't access to it 18:14:05 <Dred_furst> can anyone send me the SVN package? 18:15:17 *** Sacro__ [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-130-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:15:25 <Dred_furst> the site appears to be down, 18:15:28 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-130-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:16:14 <MiHaMiX> UnderBuilder: u can't. noone can edit that directly 18:16:31 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 18:16:37 <MiHaMiX> UnderBuilder: u have 2 edit the subcategory-file instead 18:16:46 *** Sacro__ is now known as Sacro 18:17:04 <Dred_furst> anyone got the SVN package? :) 18:17:16 <MiHaMiX> UnderBuilder: say: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Base_Tracks_%28New_Graphics%29 18:17:27 <UnderBuilder> ok 18:19:25 <UnderBuilder> but equally I will not do that, I see that the wiki is too complicated for me 18:19:46 <Dred_furst> Sacro you there? 18:20:01 <Sacro> it does seem so 18:20:09 <Dred_furst> Do you have the svn package :) 18:21:41 <Dred_furst> Sacro? 18:23:00 <Belugas> Dred_furst : http://subversion.tigris.org/ 18:23:05 <Dred_furst> I cant open it 18:23:11 <Belugas> or http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ 18:23:15 <Dred_furst> Its going to "Cannot connect to server" 18:23:27 <Sacro> sorry 18:23:33 <Sacro> which svn package? 18:23:38 <Dred_furst> one for gcc 18:23:48 <Dred_furst> for use with Msys 18:23:51 <Sacro> im not quite following you 18:23:55 <Sacro> oh right... 18:24:10 <Dred_furst> to compile under windows :) 18:24:57 <Sacro> im not sure, i dont use windows 18:25:05 <Sacro> though i may have it laying around somewhere 18:25:14 <Dred_furst> thanks :) 18:25:29 <Sacro> yeah i do 18:25:33 <Sacro> how can i transfer you it? 18:25:38 <Dred_furst> AIM? 18:25:41 <Sacro> and what exactly are you wanting? 18:25:41 <Dred_furst> DCC? 18:25:43 <Sacro> no i aint on AIM 18:25:53 <Sacro> DCC takes me a while to figure 18:25:58 <Dred_furst> ok, uhm... 18:26:02 <Dred_furst> MSN? 18:26:06 <Belugas> mais je t'AIM, moi, Sacro ^^ 18:26:18 <Sacro> benw2k_uk@hotmail.com 18:26:18 <Dred_furst> Skype even? 18:26:32 <Sacro> Skype have ditched linux it seems 18:26:38 <Dred_furst> hmm 18:27:35 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-63-36.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:28:34 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-130-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:28:42 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-130-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:32:43 <Sacro> didnt mean to click that 18:33:52 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:44 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:43:46 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:44:31 <Brianetta> make: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. 18:44:31 <Brianetta> Nothing wrong with my clock - svn glitch? 18:45:21 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3E16F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:56 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F9B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:45:58 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 18:46:59 <valhallasw> Brianetta: time zone glitch I guess? 18:51:53 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B60E90.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 18:52:42 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 18:55:30 <Dred_furst> Im getting MinGW compile errors 18:55:56 <Dred_furst> wait 18:55:57 <Dred_furst> :P 18:57:11 <Dred_furst> On another tack, windows powershell looks like the way forward :P 18:57:34 <Dred_furst> its very very similar to unix :) 18:58:37 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:13:12 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 19:13:46 <RichK67> hi all 19:13:48 <[Shaman]> hey RichK67 19:14:13 <[Shaman]> that response time looks too eerie O_O 19:14:36 <Sacro> 20:14:01? 19:15:33 <Vornicus> Clock skew is when you have a file with a modification time after the current time. 19:18:32 *** webfreakz [n=Ronald@195.73.147.226] has joined #openttd 19:18:33 <CIA-3> richk * r5143 /branch/MiniIN/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [MiniIN]: [Planeset1.2]: Update to current Planeset. Thanks to Mart3p for sending patch update. 19:18:41 <webfreakz> hi 19:19:01 <peter1138> ... 19:19:04 <webfreakz> last days i've been iritated by a error message which caused my game to crash 19:19:06 <peter1138> you're including the planeset now? 19:19:22 <webfreakz> and the forum shows i'm not the only one with this message 19:19:32 <webfreakz> any dev' please read http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=451668#451668 19:19:35 <webfreakz> thank you :) 19:20:28 <RichK67> peter - its special additions for new airport support, supplied by mart3p 19:20:35 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B60E90.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:21:09 <peter1138> it's *not* the planeset 19:21:17 <peter1138> it's a patch that makes the planeset work better 19:21:21 <RichK67> although those ones are bugfixes for missing bits 19:21:57 <RichK67> ok... the patch file he sent me was called Planeset_MiniIN_r5142.patch - i trust mart3p ;) 19:23:54 <Hackykid> hmm 19:24:20 <peter1138> RichK67: Hackykid had a lot of patches called "stuff" 19:24:40 <Hackykid> hehe 19:24:44 <webfreakz> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=451668#451668 19:24:50 <peter1138> i don't remember seeing any commits adding "stuff support" 19:24:57 <Hackykid> [Stuff]: added some more stuff 19:25:01 <RichK67> peter1138: mine isnt, and my "patches" subdirectory includes the diff that i applied 19:25:02 <Hackykid> :-) 19:25:16 <glx> webfreakz: no need to post the same link twice :) 19:25:18 <webfreakz> http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/search?q=stuff&changeset=on 19:25:34 <webfreakz> glx: nobody responses so i assumed nobody saw my message 19:26:31 <glx> webfreakz: your savegame is from a pre-bridge nightly? 19:26:32 <Hackykid> RichK67: i thinks peter1138 means, that commit message seems a tad misleading heh 19:26:48 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 19:27:02 <webfreakz> glx: yes even a savegame from 7-january-2006 crashes 19:27:18 <webfreakz> gx: and yes, even with yesterdays nightly 19:27:24 <webfreakz> (not self compiled) 19:27:36 <peter1138> webfreakz: and yes, it is a known issue 19:27:49 <glx> so do what Darkvater said on the forum (use a pre-bridge nightly) 19:28:09 <Darkvater> yep 19:28:11 <webfreakz> hmm 19:28:16 <webfreakz> why does it occur then? 19:28:22 <RichK67> maybe - its clear enough, and its not as though it changes 2500 files; its an update to keep MiniIN "current" with Planeset functionality as defined by mart3p... i doubt this one is ever going to be examined again 19:28:25 <peter1138> perhaps... it's a bug? 19:28:39 <webfreakz> but you haven't solved it yet? 19:28:58 <webfreakz> i mean, you don't have any idea why? 19:29:03 <peter1138> i've not solved it 19:29:08 <peter1138> i do have any idea 19:29:15 <peter1138> -y 19:29:28 <webfreakz> hmm ok 19:29:40 <webfreakz> i will just have to wait patiencely :) 19:30:02 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca228.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:30:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:30:19 <Darkvater> he, the culprit is back :) 19:30:21 <webfreakz> so i should go back to r5070 http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/changeset/5070 ? 19:30:36 <webfreakz> 5069 to be more precise... 19:30:50 <Hackykid> indeed :-p 19:31:12 <Hackykid> if your feeling brave, i got a pbs diff against 5069 :-p 19:31:19 <webfreakz> ok 19:31:21 <webfreakz> :) 19:31:34 <webfreakz> gimme-gimme :P 19:31:42 <glx> Hackykid: how do you store pbs status for stations? 19:32:00 <Hackykid> glx: i stole a bit frome the station classes 19:32:12 * peter1138 > cook dinner 19:32:14 <Hackykid> so only max 127 of those! hah! :-p 19:33:22 <Darkvater> hmm 19:33:25 <Darkvater> I think I needa a shower 19:33:46 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 19:34:24 <TL|Away> I will be installing SVN 1.3.1, so the SVN will be reset in a moment.. just that you know, not that you will notice :p 19:35:33 <CIA-3> richk * r5144 /branch/MiniIN/ (11 files in 2 dirs): [MiniIN]: [GRF Cargo Subtype]: New patch added. Thanks to Mart3p for sending MiniIN version. 19:37:55 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:39:08 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 19:40:38 <RichK67> TL: is it safe to do a commit right now?? 19:41:02 <glx> RichK67: try and you'll see if it works :) 19:41:15 <TL|Away> RichK67: please hold a commit 19:41:19 <TL|Away> then we can try the new version :p 19:41:29 <RichK67> okies - ready when you ask for one 19:41:41 <TL|Away> so, try now :p 19:42:06 <CIA-3> richk * r5145 /branch/MiniIN/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [MiniIN]: [GRF Aircraft Callback15]: New patch added. Thanks to Mart3p for sending MiniIN version. 19:42:16 <TL|Away> hmmz, it helps when I reset the current process :p 19:42:16 <TL|Away> hehe 19:43:12 <TL|Away> okay, now we should try it :p 19:43:18 <TL|Away> oh well, the next commit will show it :p 19:43:51 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:46:13 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:48:20 <peter1138> hmm 19:52:17 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-9613.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 19:56:08 *** fusee [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:12 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-82-4.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:56:32 <[Shaman]> new patches to minty? 19:56:44 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 19:57:14 <RichK67> small ones - planeset support features really 19:57:33 <[Shaman]> e// 19:58:13 <peter1138> ? 19:58:36 <RichK67> ok - mart3p patches for his particular grf support 19:58:40 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B60E90.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:00:00 <peter1138> i mean [Shaman] ;p 20:00:11 <peter1138> planeset support is fine by me :) 20:00:33 *** jonty_comp [i=Jonty@88-107-63-36.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:37 <[Shaman]> e// is a smilie i often use 20:00:40 <RichK67> ah - ok 20:00:53 <peter1138> [Shaman]: ah... you have a strange face :) 20:02:27 <[Shaman]> yeh :P 20:02:50 <[Shaman]> some use \o/ .. o// or something, but due to lazyness i rather go for the faster e// :P 20:03:41 <RichK67> peter: question about applying a patch built against one branch (trunk) to another branch (MiniIN)... i keep getting lots of misalignments... any automated way around??? 20:03:46 <peter1138> e// is faster? hmm. 20:03:54 <Eddi|zuHause> e// does definitely not match any smilie-patterns i have 20:04:10 <[Shaman]> yeh, using both hands instead of one hand going back and forth across it's section of the keyboard 20:04:23 <Eddi|zuHause> (i.e. will not be recognized as such) 20:04:42 <[Shaman]> Eddi|zuHause: fancy graphics eh? 20:04:44 <[Shaman]> use irssi :P 20:04:53 <peter1138> RichK67: conflicts will happen, because things have been changed 20:04:56 <peter1138> no way to avoid it 20:05:38 <RichK67> even if i sync with trunk immediately prior? 20:06:25 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-63-36.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:06:31 <peter1138> doesn't really help. your branch is still different. 20:06:57 *** jonty_comp is now known as jonty-comp 20:07:04 <RichK67> even though there is a trace through to the common trunk? 20:07:58 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 20:08:17 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:08:26 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:28 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181096095.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:08:44 <Hackykid> be glad if theres only misalignments hehe 20:09:13 <Hackykid> hmm, or you mean conflicts? 20:09:19 <Hackykid> or, are they the same heh :O 20:09:36 <RichK67> it only seems to affect patches created after the split... earlier patches apply ok 20:09:55 <peter1138> i translated misalignments as conflicts 20:10:03 <RichK67> its misalignments... tortoise refuses to even allow you to view the differences 20:10:20 <peter1138> ok 20:10:25 <peter1138> no idea what a misalignment is then 20:10:29 <Hackykid> hmm, that never happened to me 20:11:58 <RichK67> eg. "The patch seems outdated. The file line... <some text or other> and the patchline <other text> do not match!" - these are generally line misalignments 20:13:29 <RichK67> i think what it is is that Tortoise picks up the patch's rev number (created against trunk), and tries to compare it to the branch source for that rev number (or next lowest)... and they dont match... different reference sources 20:13:29 <Hackykid> hmm, maybe that is just a warning? 20:13:58 *** Hallo [n=me@141.24.48.94] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:14:03 *** fusey [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:14:10 <Hackykid> i mean, it means the linenumbers dont match, but .diff's are built in such a way it may be able to correct that 20:14:11 *** fusey [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:14 <RichK67> Hackykid: its a fatal one then; nothing gets applied, and the only solution seems manually editing the lines from that file in 20:14:54 <Hackykid> you dont happen to have cygwin and the 'diff' tool installed? :-p 20:15:14 <Hackykid> oh wait 20:15:19 <Hackykid> you need 'patch' for this :-p 20:15:19 <RichK67> Tortoise is very sensitive; if you edit a .patch file, and change the start line, it barfs... doesnt even try 20:15:37 <Hackykid> well, that sucks 20:15:45 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B60E90.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:16:16 *** fusee [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:16:32 <Hackykid> well, i'd say try what patch sais about it 20:16:37 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to do it correctly ;) 20:16:44 <RichK67> hoho 20:16:46 <Eddi|zuHause> (the editing) 20:17:31 <RichK67> eddi: i think i can add 1 in the relevant places ;) ive repaired some non-patching ones this way... laborious, but works 20:18:07 <RichK67> but, since some patches (subsids) are giving me this failure on 30+ files, i dont fancy the job of doing it manually 20:19:05 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B60E90.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:20:50 <Eddi|zuHause> you could write a program that searches for the matching context lines, and changes the numbers automatically ;) 20:21:08 <Tron> or just use patch 20:21:09 <Eddi|zuHause> OR 20:21:34 <RichK67> im trying patch, but it desperately needs a better interface :( 20:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> you could try to apply the patch to the version of the split, then create a diff to your current version 20:21:43 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:21:48 <Tron> RichK67: please? 20:21:54 <Tron> better interface than patch<file? 20:22:28 <Tron> how more easy could it be? 20:22:41 <RichK67> gui ;) 20:23:32 <Tron> before you even have decided where to right-click in your gui i have written patch<file thrice 20:23:48 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B60E90.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:24:01 <Tron> and as bonus it even works 20:24:34 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:25:35 <peter1138> heh 20:26:00 <RichK67> nothing but errors "perhaps you should have used the wobblytron field" 20:27:10 <Tron> with tortoise? you already said that 20:27:21 <Eddi|zuHause> like i said... apply it to the split revision, and create a new diff 20:27:22 <RichK67> with patch 20:28:14 <Belugas> watch out, RichK67. The patch.exe that is provided in Win32 is NOT the one we are talking about here 20:28:52 <RichK67> its the one downloaded off the patch website 20:28:54 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:29:31 <RichK67> "reports bugs to bug-patch@gnu.org 20:29:34 <Belugas> ok, forget my intrusion in the discussion 20:30:38 <Tron> i'm impressed, it's /really/ hard to use patch wrong 20:31:48 <peter1138> well 20:31:58 <RichK67> well, you can have a go if you want; download the current MiniIN branch, and try applying Sirkoz's r5095 Smooth Economy patch... i get nothing but errors, and even an assert in patch, line 339.... 20:32:25 <peter1138> you're killing patch now? special 20:32:49 <glx> RichK67: let me try :) 20:32:56 <RichK67> ty 20:33:46 <RichK67> peter: not my fault... most software docs assume everything goes right... when it doesnt you are on your own... im feeling pretty alone on this ;) 20:34:48 *** webfreakz [n=Ronald@195.73.147.226] has left #openttd [] 20:35:15 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf? i had a clean copy of miniIN, and on update it says: Error: Failed to add file 'airports.grf': object of the same name already exists 20:36:00 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: old miniin converted to branch? 20:36:01 <peter1138> so delete your local copy of the file 20:36:15 <RichK67> it looks like it didnt like the 2 lines below from midway through the patch 20:36:15 <RichK67> @@ -975,7 +975,7 @@ 20:36:15 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:36:27 <glx> RichK67: I can't find the diff 20:36:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... that might be it ;) 20:37:24 <RichK67> eddi: Tortoise has recently had some issues, throwing that error on other files too. ensure you have latest update (at least 1.3.1.6219) 20:37:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i have 1.3.3.something 20:37:47 <RichK67> sorry, 1.3.3.6219 20:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> it complained that i do not have 1.3.4.whatever already ;) 20:38:08 <RichK67> although there is a newer one available 20:38:19 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:38:27 <glx> RichK67: found it :) 20:39:24 * RichK67 crosses fingers and hopes that it causes the same error for glx ;) 20:39:54 <[Shaman]> lol 20:40:03 <glx> Assertion failed: hunk, file ../patch-2.5.9-src/patch.c, line 339 <-- weird 20:40:20 <RichK67> yay!! its not me!!! :) :) i thank you :) 20:40:32 <Hackykid> hehe 20:40:39 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:41:12 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:41:16 <Tron> WFM 20:42:28 <Hackykid> ack 20:42:51 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf... how can a directory be in a conflict? 20:43:00 <glx> RichK67: found why :) 20:43:07 <RichK67> solution? 20:43:16 <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: properties 20:43:16 <RichK67> ok - why first ;) 20:43:44 <glx> it's because I used save as in my text editor and it killed the space in empty lines 20:43:51 <glx> so invalid diff format 20:44:36 <RichK67> there is a space on my empty lines 20:45:14 <RichK67> did it fail initially on line 38 for industry_cmd.c? 20:45:35 <glx> patching file industry_cmd.c 20:45:36 <glx> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] 20:45:59 <glx> hmm you already added smooth_economy in your branch no? 20:46:02 <RichK67> i said n, apply anyway y 20:46:15 <RichK67> yes, there is an update in this patch tho 20:46:28 <RichK67> but it doesnt work on all sorts of other patches 20:46:37 <glx> so you need to revert previous to apply new 20:46:43 <Tron> of course this doesn't work 20:46:55 <RichK67> read my last line please 20:46:56 <Tron> exactly the change is already there 20:47:04 <RichK67> OTHER patches 20:47:14 <Tron> it can NEVER work 20:47:24 <peter1138> other bits of the patch can work 20:47:47 <Tron> all hunks are already there 20:48:45 <glx> RichK67: if you want it to apply without problem you need to ask SirkoZ for an update against your branch 20:49:10 <Tron> patch has no way to know what's semantically correct 20:49:20 <Tron> it's just a text processing tool 20:49:35 <RichK67> ok, so if i pick a random patch; say "improved acceleration"....real_acceleration_r5006.patch i get "patching file train_cmd.c .... assertion failed." 20:49:42 <Tron> there's no way any tool could know what's right 20:50:22 <Tron> then you're using a faulty executable 20:50:39 <RichK67> glx: already asked for... hopefully on its way... i was hoping to have an easy way of applying the patches... the old 530K patch applied better than this 20:50:56 <RichK67> Tron: lets see if glx's exe is also faulty then... 20:51:09 <glx> RichK67: so revert the old patch then apply the new :) 20:51:37 <RichK67> glx: its not THAT problem... this happens to ALL patches 20:51:48 <RichK67> whether they have been run once or not 20:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause> RichK67: did you try my suggestion? 20:52:14 <Tron> patchutils from cygwin? 20:53:19 <Mucht> probably you all noticed but: there's an article about ottd at the current issue of the tux-magazine 20:53:38 <Tron> url? 20:54:07 <Mucht> http://www.tuxmagazine.com/ 20:54:28 <Mucht> its free to signup and they mail it to you every month 20:54:29 <RichK67> this is getting piss annoying trying to get this damn thing to work... SVN MiniIN branch is turning into a backward step :( 20:54:42 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-208-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:54:46 <Mucht> its quite a nice magazine with its focus on newbie-linux-users 20:55:06 <RichK67> eddi: cygwin? 20:55:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no... i mean check out a version of miniIN right after the split 20:55:39 <Eddi|zuHause> (branch creation) 20:55:42 <Mucht> if someone wants to read the article, I can forward the mail 20:55:44 <Hackykid> i'd try cygwin :-p 20:56:08 <Eddi|zuHause> apply the diff to that version 20:56:15 <RichK67> eddi: and then SVN update? 20:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause> then create a new diff from that patched version to the miniIN 20:56:35 <Eddi|zuHause> then apply that diff to current miniIN 20:56:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it _might_ work 20:57:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you could keep this clean miniIN around, if patches cause trouble 20:57:50 <RichK67> except what happens when the file revision number in the patch is greater than the split rev number? 20:58:12 <Darkvater> RichK67: the windows patch executable ONLY works with patch files that have DOS line endinges 20:58:17 <Darkvater> yes I know it's said, but that's how it is 20:59:40 <RichK67> ok 20:59:52 <Darkvater> fucking windows-tools :S 21:00:05 <RichK67> hey, its not as though this is/was exactly a trivial problem 21:00:22 <RichK67> fucking DOS-cli incompatible tools :) 21:00:53 <Eddi|zuHause> what was the actual problem now? 21:00:59 <Hackykid> hmm, windows patch executable, is that one any good besides the lineendings stuff? 21:01:30 <Darkvater> never use it. Use tortoise or when it craps out, just ssh into my linux box and patch from there :) 21:01:39 <Eddi|zuHause> urgs... 21:01:47 <Hackykid> hehe 21:01:51 <Eddi|zuHause> return dx > dy ? dx : dy; <- have you never heard of MIN(x,y)? 21:02:02 <RichK67> DV: ahh... you mean the one that comes with Windows... nope, not using it... using/failing to use gnu patch 21:02:13 <Darkvater> there is no tool that comes with windows 21:02:21 <Hackykid> hmm? 21:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause> or MAX 21:02:24 <Darkvater> the gnu patch (patch.exe) is the one I am talking about 21:02:36 <Hackykid> hmm, interesting 21:02:50 <Hackykid> i think when i run that from cygwin, it handles the line-endings fine 21:03:01 *** Osai^away is now known as Osai 21:04:24 <Hackykid> hmm, indeed it does 21:04:39 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:05:01 <RichK67> eddi: identical error.... checked out MiniIN @ 4980. applied smooth econ... same error, same line 21:05:32 <glx> RichK67: smooth ecnonomy has unix line endings 21:05:37 <Eddi|zuHause> fine, then not ;) 21:05:46 <RichK67> i use MingW32... does that have a diff tool that works? 21:06:06 <RichK67> blasted unix line endings ;) 21:06:16 <Hackykid> hmm dunno, i'd guess it has patch and diff too 21:06:17 <Darkvater> 22:58 < Darkvater> RichK67: the windows patch executable ONLY works with patch files that have DOS line endinges 21:06:21 <glx> I think patch worked for me before I update it with gnuwin32 patch 21:06:30 <Darkvater> did you try? 21:06:43 <Hackykid> unix2dos! 21:07:01 <peter1138> real os! 21:07:16 <peter1138> like windows with a full cygwin environment 21:07:23 <Hackykid> :-) 21:07:46 <Sacro> set up linux in QEmu and SSH in :P 21:08:25 <Darkvater> VMWare linux! and SSH :) 21:10:08 <Trenskow> Mac OS X here... rocks your pants off ! :D 21:10:20 * Darkvater bans all maccrap people 21:10:21 <Darkvater> there 21:10:25 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["On the way home..."] 21:10:42 <Trenskow> Darkvater, OS ? 21:10:45 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 21:10:53 <Trenskow> :D 21:10:56 <Trenskow> linux i see :) 21:11:06 <Darkvater> .. 21:11:20 <Hackykid> hmm 21:11:31 <Darkvater> I'm just logged in to university machines 21:11:41 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:11:54 <Trenskow> Darkvater, ah... Windows then ? 21:12:06 <Darkvater> but running suse 10.1 at home and would use it as well if I hadn't had a laptop around which is about 4 times faster and has windows on it 21:12:10 <Belugas_Gone> Good nigh guysd 21:12:25 <Darkvater> gn Belugas_Gone 21:12:35 <peter1138> why did i do that? 21:12:51 <Hackykid> hm? 21:12:57 <Darkvater> you farted? 21:12:57 <peter1138> i just quit evolution 21:13:01 <peter1138> and then restarted it 21:13:08 <glx> RichK67: reverted to patch.exe from msys and it works with unix eol 21:13:11 <Trenskow> I've runned both windows and linux in my pc days, but i won't never change mac os x 21:13:11 <Darkvater> ah 21:13:18 <Trenskow> im here for good :) 21:13:19 <Darkvater> ran 21:13:23 <Darkvater> run 21:13:26 <Darkvater> run dammit 21:13:27 <Darkvater> shit 21:13:34 <Trenskow> :) 21:13:36 <Darkvater> < *smack* 21:13:58 <peter1138> you won't *never* change? 21:14:03 <peter1138> so you will? 21:14:06 <RichK67> glx: hi, yes, i am trying Msys patch, but it still gives me errors 21:14:23 <glx> but it doesn't assert :) 21:14:53 <RichK67> lol - yeah, but doesnt apply either ;) 21:14:58 <glx> just examine .rej files after patching 21:15:26 <Hackykid> hmm 21:16:29 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-63-36.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 21:17:29 <Hackykid> i just thought of something, because tortoise does a 3way diff when patching, it need the original source against which the patch was made, and it tries to download that rev 21:17:49 <Hackykid> now, cause the wc isnt the same branch as the patch, that would fail 21:18:11 <Hackykid> still no idea how to easily fix that, though :O 21:18:27 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.4.246] has quit ["Look ma, no script!"] 21:19:05 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 21:19:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it might then work with the trunk revision right before the branch 21:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of the miniIN revision right afterwards 21:19:43 <Hackykid> hmm, yeah, thats possibly 21:19:45 <Hackykid> hmm, yeah, thats possible 21:20:29 <Hackykid> then you should be able to switch to miniin branch safely, and then you can make a diff against miniin 21:20:48 <Hackykid> or just do svn up 21:20:57 <Hackykid> (which does the 3way diffing too :-p) 21:21:12 * Sacro wants PBS 21:21:19 * Eddi|zuHause too 21:21:26 <RichK67> Hackykid: "just thought of something"... just what i explained early on; tortoise tries to get the source from the branch, not the trunk 21:21:45 <Hackykid> indeed 21:21:54 <Hackykid> i just remembered why it did that :-) 21:22:03 <RichK67> (not entirely stooopid, you know ;) ) 21:22:57 <RichK67> so you reckon; check out trunk r4979, apply diff, switch to MiniIN branch, SVN update??? 21:23:12 <Hackykid> yeah 21:23:17 <RichK67> ok ill try it 21:24:07 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 21:24:17 <RichK67> before anyone says, its r4977 ;) 21:24:47 <Eddi|zuHause> this way will probably get less reliable in the future, when lots of things changed 21:24:51 <glx> RichK67: what is the current smooth economy version in miniIN? 21:25:10 <RichK67> its in patches/MiniINpatches.zip 21:25:24 <RichK67> r5006 21:25:30 <Brianetta> peter1138: Check PMs 21:25:59 <Eddi|zuHause> where can i find the patch you try to apply? 21:26:05 <peter1138> i know about that one 21:26:23 <peter1138> clearly i've not found the cause yet 21:26:33 <RichK67> try Smooth Economy patch thread ;) or look for any post by Sirkoz (its in his sig) 21:26:57 <Sacro> hmm, openstreetmap is cool 21:27:02 <peter1138> but thanks :) 21:31:36 *** bebble [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [] 21:31:44 <RichK67> Hackykid: looking better... ive done SVN update part, and it made it but with conflicts... i can resolve conflicts ;) 21:32:01 <RichK67> im going to try a slightly different method, see if i can reduce them more 21:33:38 <RichK67> btw, how do i remove a checkout via Tortoise??? 21:34:30 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACBCE656.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 21:35:07 <Trenskow> a feature i would like very much is.... map turning 21:35:41 <glx> RichK67: just compare the 2 diffs :) 21:36:02 <RichK67> not revert... delete the whole checkout 21:36:11 <Hackykid> shift-delete? 21:36:12 <peter1138> just, uh, delete it? 21:36:13 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:36:45 <RichK67> "D:\Develop is not a working copy" 21:37:02 <RichK67> im not a total idiot, of course i tried to delete it, it didnt work 21:37:03 <peter1138> with explorer. not tortoise. 21:37:39 <RichK67> "cannot delete. it is being used" 21:37:55 <Hackykid> hmm, and you sure its not? 21:38:03 <Hackykid> i think i had that prob =lem too once 21:38:06 <RichK67> only thing using it will be tortoies 21:38:29 <Hackykid> well, close all tortoise windows, and delete it with explorer? 21:38:56 <RichK67> tortoise is closed, except it has the hook into explorer for the right click 21:39:19 * Sacro fancies a network game with some newgrfs... 21:39:44 * RichK67 fancies going into JA2 and blasting some heads off :) 21:40:00 <Hackykid> hmm, well, the way i solved the problem was rebooting :-p 21:40:03 <RichK67> imagining them to be SVN repositories ;) 21:40:13 <Brianetta> RichK67: CAn you send me a TGP patch? 21:40:26 <Brianetta> I'll compile it into the server 21:40:32 <Brianetta> We know that works (: 21:40:39 <peter1138> nini 21:41:12 <glx> RichK67: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/smooth_eco.diff <-- the only difference between the patch in miniIN zip and the one from forum 21:42:01 <Eddi|zuHause> intresting idea... diff the diffs first ;) 21:42:20 <RichK67> brianetta: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=451220#451220 21:42:21 <Hackykid> hmm, i dont think thats a diff of the diffs 21:42:42 <Brianetta> Got it (: 21:42:44 <RichK67> brianetta: its actually more buggy than it used to be ;) 21:42:48 <glx> I just changed the lines in source according to diff of diffs 21:42:53 <Eddi|zuHause> not directly, of course 21:43:03 <glx> but just 3 lines 21:43:10 <glx> not that hard to do by hand 21:43:14 <Hackykid> ah 21:44:01 <RichK67> hmm... i can delete all the contents of a checkout, but not the parent directory... and yes, that should be deletable post-reboot 21:47:25 <Brianetta> RichK67: It's OK 21:47:36 <Brianetta> Can you give me the cfg values for that last scenario you made? 21:47:59 <RichK67> lol - no!!! the seed is now a full int! 21:48:02 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3E16F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 21:48:07 <RichK67> i cant remember them 21:48:28 <Brianetta> terragenesis = true 21:48:28 <Brianetta> Anything else needed? 21:48:40 <RichK67> tgen_noise_seed = 0 21:48:55 <RichK67> lets dedicated server create a random map 21:48:57 <Brianetta> OK 21:49:00 <Brianetta> good good 21:49:32 <RichK67> options: mountainous (3), low water (1), rough/very rough (2/3) 21:50:20 <Brianetta> Too much land atm 21:50:41 <Eddi|zuHause> high water ;) 21:50:56 <RichK67> high water is close to "islands" at times :) 21:51:08 <Brianetta> RichK67: What sort of settings did you use for the last scn? 21:51:19 <Eddi|zuHause> my map is mostly connected 21:52:16 <RichK67> sorry - i thought you meant the openttdcoop game i set up last night 21:52:28 <RichK67> err.. let me see 21:53:04 <Brianetta> Well, I did 21:55:11 <RichK67> ok - the 1955 map? 21:55:16 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 21:55:28 <RichK67> hilly, medium water, smooth 21:55:36 <RichK67> 2,2,1 21:55:41 <Brianetta> tgen_smoothness = 1 ? 21:55:54 <RichK67> yup - looks like 21:56:03 <Brianetta> diff_custom = 0,3,0,1,500,4,2,2,0,0,0,1,2,1,1,1,0,0 21:56:14 <Brianetta> You have to remember what a PITA this is for dedicated servers 21:56:36 <RichK67> yup - the 2,2 in the middle are hilly, med water 21:56:53 <Brianetta> no 21:56:58 <Brianetta> the 2,1 toward rthe end are 21:57:15 <RichK67> oh!... ive been looking in the wrong place then;) 21:57:29 <RichK67> (no surprise there) 21:57:50 <Brianetta> OK, that's a good map 21:57:59 <Brianetta> diff_custom = 0,3,0,1,500,4,2,2,0,0,0,1,2,2,1,1,0,0 21:58:29 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 21:58:50 <RichK67> Hackykid: same result, slightly different method... conflicts are good :) 21:59:10 <Sacro> Brianetta: new nightly map? 21:59:11 <Hackykid> what did you do? 21:59:57 <Brianetta> Sacro: Nope 22:00:04 <Brianetta> New #openttdcoop map 22:00:07 <Sacro> Brianetta: ah right 22:00:12 <Sacro> give them a challenge 22:00:34 <Brianetta> Might compile it into the nightly from time to time 22:00:38 <RichK67> oh! did they abandon last nights? 22:00:48 <Brianetta> RichK67: Difficulty settings were all wrong 22:00:57 <Sacro> i think there should be a MiniIN server with UKRS 22:01:01 <Brianetta> and the newgrfs misbehaved 22:01:14 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498EB51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:14 <RichK67> something was flaky 22:01:24 <RichK67> valhalla had problems 22:01:33 <Brianetta> Well, it's compiled in now, so we know that what's in the cfg is what's in the game 22:01:51 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:02:22 <RichK67> great 22:02:30 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:02:45 <Brianetta> and it appears, as ever, to be happy to interoperate with an unpatched game. 22:02:55 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1670.lns2-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:03:10 <Sacro> is TGP in the nigtly? 22:03:25 <Brianetta> no 22:03:35 <Brianetta> but it might be in mine from time to time 22:03:51 <Brianetta> because it's multiplayer-agnostic 22:03:55 <RichK67> its only on generate side; except if it ever goes live into nightly, im considering saving the map seed with the terrain options in the map 22:04:11 <Brianetta> so it can work with the regular nightly builds no problem, without modification of clients 22:04:19 <Darkvater> save the seed for? 22:04:23 <glx> RichK67: why save in the savegame? 22:04:38 <Brianetta> glx: Save into the cfg 22:04:40 <RichK67> debug, or "i want to repeat this map", etc. 22:04:59 <Darkvater> that definitely has no place in the savegame 22:05:36 <RichK67> so you think that since the map is repeatable, storing that info isnt useful? 22:05:37 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Not the saved game 22:05:41 <glx> if you "want to repeat this map" just create scenarios :) 22:05:52 <Brianetta> glx: No 22:06:11 <Brianetta> glx: With Perlin Noise, the same map can be generated on a different sized game 22:06:20 <RichK67> one big advantage of TGP is that it is repeatable and predictable; give everyone the same seed & settings, and you all get the same map 22:06:22 <Brianetta> I don't know if Rich did it that way 22:06:23 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:06:31 <Darkvater> RichK67: wow, that is stunning 22:06:44 <RichK67> what is?? 22:06:49 <Darkvater> did you know the current seed (_random_seeds[2]) does exactly the same thing? 22:06:50 <glx> Brianetta: I know 22:06:59 <Brianetta> glx: So everything scales 22:07:11 <Brianetta> Use a bigger map, get bigger continents inthe same size 22:07:25 <Brianetta> Ideal if you find a seed that makes your home country (: 22:07:39 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:07:39 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54944B42.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gn"] 22:08:05 <glx> just add a button "display seed" and write it on a paper :) 22:08:09 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:08:19 <Darkvater> glx: write it down on map generation :) 22:08:34 <RichK67> its also infinitely expandable, and currently generates heights about -250 to +580... so you can have undersea depths, and real cliffs etc once the map can handle it 22:08:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B772C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:08:44 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 22:08:51 <RichK67> DV: you dont know the map is a good one until you can no longer see the seed 22:09:04 <Darkvater> write it down in advance :) 22:09:28 <Darkvater> or get your monkey to do it ^^ 22:09:34 <RichK67> there is one way around: get a good map in newgame. abandon, go into scengen. scengen has kept the last seed 22:09:55 <RichK67> then play to your hearts content with the settings... 22:10:04 <Brianetta> It could be saved into openttd.cfg 22:10:21 <Brianetta> as a commented-out seed line 22:10:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B772C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:10:51 <RichK67> i am going to add a button in the scengen generate screen to "generate as if newgame" to add all the towns, industries etc exactly as ifyou had started a newgame 22:11:08 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:11:36 <RichK67> the scengen controls are a bit clumsy (add industries drops a plague of industries...) 22:12:22 <RichK67> Brianetta: where is the game??? is it on openttdcoop??? 22:12:42 <Brianetta> RichK67: Yes - just restarted with less water 22:13:07 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80533.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:14:18 <Brianetta> RichK67: I need MOUNTAINS 22:14:24 <Brianetta> they clamour for alpinism 22:15:27 <Brianetta> tgen_smoothness - is bigger rougher? 22:15:32 * Brianetta pokes RichK67 22:15:37 <RichK67> very rough, yes 22:15:51 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80533.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:15:58 <RichK67> mountainous... and i will modify the persistence... its clearly too low atm 22:16:00 <Brianetta> Can terain go above high? 22:16:06 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:11 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:16:20 <Brianetta> It's 0,1,2 22:16:23 <Brianetta> can it do 3? 22:16:29 <RichK67> mountainous = 3 22:16:38 *** dfox [n=dfox@r3bk86.chello.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 22:16:42 <Brianetta> tgen_smoothness = 3 22:16:50 <Brianetta> and landscape height = 3 22:16:55 <RichK67> yup 22:16:57 <Brianetta> Cool 22:17:01 <RichK67> landscape height? 22:18:40 <RichK67> _opt.diff.terrain_type = 3 = mountainous, _opt.diff.quantity_sea_lakes = 1 = low water 22:18:52 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 22:19:20 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DE8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:24:45 <Darkvater> kkz 22:24:48 <Darkvater> goodnight all 22:24:55 <RichK67> gn... :) 22:25:01 <glx> gn Darkvater 22:25:17 * Darkvater force-feeds some coding-style rules to RichK67 22:25:19 <Darkvater> muhahaha 22:25:30 * RichK67 chokes ;) 22:25:54 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:25:54 <RichK67> hey, i can now have the mission of applying the rules everywhere i see... :) 22:26:04 <Darkvater> that's taken 22:26:05 <RichK67> muhahahaha 22:26:07 <Darkvater> < tron 22:26:12 <Darkvater> you'll have to fight him 22:26:36 <RichK67> im good at that... tho i think he doesnt want to play ;) 22:27:06 <Darkvater> you'll get yoo tiny soft behind whipped boia 22:27:11 <Darkvater> ugh 22:27:17 <Darkvater> really time now to sleep 22:27:31 <Ihmemies> now what was the pw to brianetta's nightly again :P 22:27:42 <Darkvater> gn RichK67, glx :) 22:27:44 <Darkvater> icantread 22:27:50 <Darkvater> or was that MB's? :P 22:27:55 <Ihmemies> it must have been changed 22:28:22 <Brianetta> Ihmemies: You get it from the page. While you're there, you check you have the required grfs 22:28:30 <Brianetta> because I change the password when I change the grfs 22:28:39 <Brianetta> ppcis.org/nightly 22:28:48 <Ihmemies> uh, ok 22:29:33 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80533.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 22:30:09 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80533.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:31:40 <Ihmemies> desync error all the time! 22:31:41 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D2F0.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 22:32:01 <glx> correct grfs in correct order? 22:33:00 <Ihmemies> i installed that grf set and added those grf thingys to the config 22:33:07 <Ihmemies> i connected, stayed online a while and then desync :/ 22:33:18 <Ihmemies> uhm 22:33:23 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-9613.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 22:34:54 <RichK67> ouch desync 22:35:18 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80533.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 22:35:29 <Ihmemies> i dont see a reason behind all these desyncs! 22:37:11 <Sacro> missing grfs? 22:39:51 <RichK67> hm 22:40:00 <RichK67> ive lost my mouse too :( 22:40:17 <RichK67> oops... low battery ;) 22:40:28 <Sacro> nasty 22:41:04 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:42:37 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["good night"] 23:01:29 <Brianetta> More than one newgrf section, Ihmemies? 23:01:33 <Brianetta> I've seen that before. 23:09:10 <Sacro> Brianetta: i didnt notice... 23:12:10 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:13:04 <RichK67> weird 23:13:25 <RichK67> brianetta: are many ppl getting desynced out of the coop? 23:15:43 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:16:35 <Mucht> RichK67: no 23:16:42 <Mucht> now its stable for all others but you 23:17:19 <Brianetta> Rich: No 23:17:28 <RichK67> hmm 23:17:31 <RichK67> pity 23:17:47 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498EB51.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 23:21:53 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-193-118.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:24:35 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 23:25:29 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACBCE656.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:26:07 <Sacro> ngiht all 23:26:15 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-130-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 23:31:56 *** xahodo [n=xander@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 23:32:03 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-208-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:34:07 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 23:34:30 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has left #openttd [] 23:35:21 <Ihmemies> why the terrain has to be so hilly! 23:35:22 <Ihmemies> it works now 23:36:23 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B76A3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:34 *** xahodo [n=xander@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [] 23:55:09 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca228.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:55:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B772C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]