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Log for #openttd on 20th June 2006:
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00:00:09  <[Shaman]> use tortoise to find out the revision number
00:00:13  <glx> TheBlasphemer: there's something to change in VS but I don't know what
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00:00:16  <[Shaman]> the revision string should then be r<number>
00:00:31  <TheBlasphemer> Hmm
00:00:36  <TheBlasphemer> at least I can stretch it along both monitors
00:01:09  <[Shaman]> glx: network.h == win
00:01:19  <Sacro> ftw :P
00:01:31  <Sacro> REV_HACK is what you need
00:01:34  <TheBlasphemer> so if I get tags/0.4.7 will that be identical to 0.4.7 ?
00:01:46  <Sacro> TheBlasphemer: yup
00:01:48  <[Shaman]> iirc, yeh
00:01:53  <glx> [Shaman]: oh yes didn't know that one
00:02:11  <TheBlasphemer> Ah, ok, I think I'll do that then ;)
00:02:16  <TheBlasphemer> DAMN!
00:02:24  <TheBlasphemer> 3200x1200 is a LOT of Transport Tycoon :P
00:02:47  <Sacro> too right
00:02:53  <Trenskow> hehe... i would imagine
00:03:02  <Trenskow> 12" 1024x768 here :)
00:03:11  <TheBlasphemer> Dual 21" rocks :P
00:03:20  <TheBlasphemer> Yet another reason to clean up my desk though
00:03:24  <TheBlasphemer> the toolbar is on the left monitor
00:03:33  <TheBlasphemer> while the only space left for my mouse and keyboard is on the right
00:03:33  <Sacro> move the toolbar
00:03:45  <Trenskow> well... nn all
00:03:46  <TheBlasphemer> Is that possible :o?
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00:04:05  <[Shaman]> you can edit the widgets
00:04:12  <TheBlasphemer> Ah, I can put it right :)
00:04:13  * Sacro reckons TheBlasphemer hasnt found "Patch Options"
00:04:26  <TheBlasphemer> I did
00:04:30  <TheBlasphemer> I just didn't read em all ;)
00:05:01  <TheBlasphemer> Now I only gotta fix
00:05:19  <TheBlasphemer> "Grain production [big black bar] at Nonningston" ... :P
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00:05:57  <Trenskow> changed my mind... one cigarette and then bed :)
00:06:04  <TheBlasphemer> lol :P
00:06:19  <TheBlasphemer> How do I get the money-left date and newspaper bar somewhere else ;)?
00:06:40  <[Shaman]> move the widget
00:06:50  <Trenskow> (in the source)
00:07:14  <TheBlasphemer> So that does require source-messing-about ;)?
00:07:22  <Trenskow> :p
00:07:22  <[Shaman]> ofc
00:07:33  <[Shaman]> at least you can change the revision number then :p
00:07:34  <Sacro> dont think you can move that :(
00:07:46  <[Shaman]> Sacro: Afaik that's a widget as well :o
00:07:53  <Sacro> yup
00:07:59  <[Shaman]> widgets can be moved by source ;)
00:09:05  <TheBlasphemer> Any hints on which widget it is ;)? (like which source file)
00:09:32  <[Shaman]> look at the .c files with the name that shows the category it should fall under
00:09:39  <[Shaman]> else just open random .c files :P
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00:10:09  <Sacro> lol
00:10:14  <Sacro> itll be a _gfx one
00:10:23  <[Shaman]> _gui?
00:11:17  <Sacro> most likely :P
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00:15:58  <TheBlasphemer> Argh
00:16:01  <TheBlasphemer> I give up for today...
00:16:02  <TheBlasphemer> too late
00:17:20  <Sacro> lol
00:17:27  <Sacro> im trying to set up another cross compiler
00:17:42  <Trenskow> well of to bed ... nn
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00:19:10  <glx> Sacro: for which target?
00:19:29  <Sacro> arm-elf
00:20:10  <glx> pocketPC or something like that?
00:20:56  <Sacro> Nintendo DS
00:21:20  <glx> AlexFili will be happy :P
00:21:49  <Sacro> yeah, i was going to do one months ago, but then i had a load of personal problems and never got round to it
00:21:49  <TheBlasphemer> hmmm
00:22:58  <Sacro> hmmm?
00:23:15  <glx> hmmm!
00:23:16  <TheBlasphemer> Just thinking about some dual-monitor things
00:23:41  <TheBlasphemer> I was wondering if it'd be possible to split OpenTTD into multiple windows that you could maximize on multiple screens
00:23:53  <TheBlasphemer> that way you wouldn't actually have to stretch accross all screens
00:24:00  <Sacro> network server and 2 clients?
00:24:10  <TheBlasphemer> hmmm...
00:24:13  <TheBlasphemer> Damn...
00:24:17  <TheBlasphemer> That's a good idea :P
00:24:30  <Sacro> wtf :o
00:24:36  <Sacro> CTCP TEEHEE :|
00:24:55  <lws1984> lol
00:24:56  <lws1984> teehee
00:25:01  <Sacro> damnit, ive been bitten
00:25:03  <TheBlasphemer> tomorrow I'm going to set up a dedicated server on my router anyway, so I'll see if I can pull that off :)
00:25:13  <Sacro> on your router?
00:25:31  <TheBlasphemer> Debian linux router/webserver/ftpserver/sambaserver/everythingserver ;)
00:25:49  <Sacro> ah right
00:27:41  <TheBlasphemer> Hmm
00:27:42  <TheBlasphemer> ok
00:27:52  <TheBlasphemer> major downside of two clients running the same company:
00:28:12  <TheBlasphemer> You can't tell a train to go from a station on screen 1 to a station on screen 2 :(
00:28:50  <Sacro> nope
00:29:07  <Sacro> i think its a whole area that needs redoing
00:29:22  <Sacro> kinda like x spanning
00:29:23  <TheBlasphemer> Maybe it'd be possible to un-dock extra viewports
00:30:10  <TheBlasphemer> Think that'd be possible?
00:30:23  <Sacro> yeah, if it could be handed off to the WM, or whatever
00:30:45  <TheBlasphemer> WM = Window Manager?
00:30:54  <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
00:30:54  <Sacro> !logs
00:31:00  <Sacro> TheBlasphemer: yup
00:31:29  <TheBlasphemer> Hmmm, maybe I could look into that later :)
00:32:04  <TheBlasphemer> But now bedtime
00:32:10  <TheBlasphemer> It's 2:30AM ffs :P
00:32:30  <TheBlasphemer> Bye :)
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00:34:49  <Sacro> hmm, 1:30 here
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06:46:58  <peter1138> hmm
06:47:18  <peter1138> why would it recompile screenshot.c if i only touched train_gui.c ...
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07:07:33  <CIA-14> peter1138 * r5318 /trunk/train_gui.c:
07:07:33  <CIA-14> - Allow room for a single pixel overflow on the first engine when drawing a train's image.
07:07:33  <CIA-14> - Draw the depot highlight box after drawing all engines on a line, so that the box isn't hidden.
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08:04:46  <Trenskow> It's done : http://bugs.openttd.org/task/213
08:04:48  <Trenskow> :D
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09:13:05  <TinoM|> Trenskow, nice. But with the patch applied my client doesn't show any servers on the list
09:13:25  <Trenskow> TinoM|, try to unclick "Same version" under advanced tab
09:13:36  <TinoM|> already done
09:13:37  <Trenskow> it's on by default
09:13:51  <Trenskow> that's wierd
09:14:19  <Trenskow> when everything unclicked, you don't get anything ?
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09:14:36  <TinoM|> i've one manually added server on my list, it is shown without the patch, but with the patch not. klicking on find servers doesn't work any more
09:15:04  <Trenskow> hehe... so it just fuck things up
09:15:11  <Trenskow> TinoM|, LAN or Internet ?
09:15:16  <TinoM|> mompl, i'll try again
09:15:21  <TinoM|> Internet, Trenskow
09:15:49  <TinoM|> hmm, eclipse has to rebuild the whole project every time :(
09:16:29  <Trenskow> works fine here... could it be an endian problem ?
09:16:31  <Trenskow> os x here
09:16:50  <Qball> Trenskow: nop.. works fine here
09:18:53  <TinoM|> ah, ok, now it is working here, too
09:18:58  <Trenskow> TinoM|, can't figure what's wrong
09:19:03  <Trenskow> what was the prob ?
09:19:15  <TinoM|> i am not sure, this time i've deleted my cfg
09:19:38  <Trenskow> wierd
09:20:04  <TinoM|> suggestion: it is not very easy to distinguish, wheter a button is pressed or not (eg server not full...)
09:20:33  <Trenskow> So change the button color on pressed ?
09:20:59  <Trenskow> could make it blue as unclicked (as window) and grey as clicked
09:21:56  <TinoM|> something like that, or a checkmark
09:21:59  <Trenskow> Qball, TinoM|, also made a 0.4.7 version of the patch
09:21:59  <Trenskow> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=456865#456865
09:22:29  <TinoM|> and i would disable all filters by default, so the ppl don'T wonder where their servers are gone ;)
09:23:59  <Trenskow> yea i was discussing it with bjarni, and he thought that same version and online was enabled by default
09:24:37  <TinoM|> yeah, perhaps you're right...
09:24:50  <Trenskow> but not full should be off by default
09:24:53  <TinoM|> anyone here using eclipse ?
09:25:07  <Trenskow> xcode here :S
09:25:30  <Qball> just make and vim
09:26:55  <Prof_Frink> you mean vim and :make
09:28:03  <Qball> hmmm no
09:28:14  <Qball> mostly just 2-3 terminals
09:28:53  * TinoM| can't install linux on his desktop -> no wpa for wireless :( . and developing on an 12''-laptop is ... ;)
09:29:32  <GoneWacko> Developing on a laptop in general is ... imo
09:29:41  <Qball> hmmm wpa works fine here on my laptop
09:29:43  <Qball> also wpa2
09:29:48  <Qball> on linux
09:29:52  <TinoM|> but i'll try again with an 32-bit-environment, then ndiswrapper should work
09:29:52  <GoneWacko> I do it for school but I tend to not do so when I don't have to
09:30:06  <TinoM|> wpa works fine on my laptop too, (ipw2200)
09:30:24  <Trenskow> GoneWacko, i develop on 12" :)
09:30:42  <TinoM|> but i can't get ndiswrapper or native drivers working for my wlan-pci-card in my desktop under 64-bit
09:31:00  <Qball> my desktops are jsut plain wired
09:31:28  <GoneWacko> my laptop is like a 19" or something, not sure. Anyway it's not so much the monitor but it's the keyboard, and of course the uncomfortable angle of your view :)
09:32:30  <TinoM|> so, got plenty of time now after my exam, where should i start to get familiar with the openttd-code?
09:32:43  <Trenskow> what's your oppinion... should the filter settings be saved ?
09:32:47  <peter1138> laptops--
09:33:55  <Qball> my laptop has a 1400x1050 screen, better then my desktop
09:34:16  <Trenskow> 1024x768 12" powerbook here :)
09:34:32  <Qball> I realy wouldn't want to go back to 1024
09:35:08  <Trenskow> i actually like it
09:35:18  <Prof_Frink> 1024x768 here...
09:35:25  <Prof_Frink> ...and 800x480 here
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09:35:56  <Qball> 1280x1024 on my Desktop
09:36:04  <Qball> and wanting my dual screen back
09:36:24  <peter1138> 2 * 1024x768 here :(
09:36:36  <Zaviori> 1280*2048 :-)
09:36:49  <peter1138> 2048x768, obviously
09:36:56  <peter1138> vertical spanning is just wrong ;p
09:38:03  <ln-> i have a patch for more comfortably running ottd on dual screen, but i suppose no one is interested.
09:38:24  <[Shaman]> ln-: increasing the max width/height ? :o
09:39:36  <ln-> comfortably = the toolbars & stuff are centered to the left screen, not on the edge of both screens.
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09:39:44  <jnmbk> ln-: we may just run a co-op lan game with two instances of openttd in a dual screen computer
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09:40:17  <[Shaman]> sweet :o
09:40:38  <peter1138> decent ottd dualscreen patch == two (or more) viewports
09:40:45  <peter1138> (linkable if desired)
09:42:25  <ln-> jnmbk: that's not my fault.
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09:56:31  <Sacro> morning all
09:56:49  <[Shaman]> lo
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09:58:16  <Sacro> ;
09:58:23  <Sacro> :o is you
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11:17:15  <Ihmemies> buying land with those small signs should be exponentially expensive
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11:18:56  <gigajum> exponential to what?
11:19:12  <gigajum> people in the city?
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11:26:24  <Ihmemies> more signs, more expensive
11:26:29  <Ihmemies> bought land i mean
11:28:07  <gigajum> ic
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11:37:30  <Trenskow> Sacro, it's done
11:37:31  <Trenskow> :)
11:37:42  <Trenskow> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/213
11:37:42  * Sacro is curious as to what...
11:37:54  <Trenskow> the network filter i was doing....
11:38:00  <Trenskow> hehe... thought you knew :)
11:38:28  <Sacro> :D yeah, im sorry i got a lot on my mind having seen todays post
11:38:56  <Trenskow> what happenened in todays post ?
11:38:58  <Trenskow> :)
11:39:38  <Sacro> well, errm, i owe the council £800 council tax on a place i dont live, and £700 for somewhere i used to live
11:39:57  <Sacro> and i got a letter saying my benefits have been paid nicely, thus i shouldny
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11:40:14  <Trenskow> hmmm... nasty
11:40:32  <Sacro> errm...benefits cancelled because i moved...makes sense
11:40:57  <Trenskow> ahh ok... i see
11:41:04  <Sacro> but why should i pay council tax on somewhere im not living
11:41:16  <Sacro> in esscence im funding the council who are being idiots
11:41:27  <Trenskow> hehe :)
11:41:32  <Trenskow> aren't they always ?
11:41:41  <Sacro> yes
11:41:53  <Sacro> but they took me to court and didnt tell me :(
11:42:05  <Sacro> would have been a nice day out too
11:42:27  <Trenskow> to court without notifying you ?
11:42:36  <Trenskow> thats insane
11:44:12  <Sacro> they sent the letter to my flat i presume, but they put a steel door over mine so i dont have a letterbox
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11:44:41  <Sacro> im just wondering if i have a legal standpoint from the view that "it wasnt sent to my last known address"
11:45:54  <XeryusTC> Sacro: they took you to court because you didn't pay tax for a place where you don't live anymore?
11:46:05  <Sacro> XeryusTC: thats about it
11:46:46  <XeryusTC> you'll probably win that one ;)
11:46:49  <Sacro> i moved out on the 26th of march, but i still had stuff there till 10th june, but it wasnt where i was living
11:47:45  <Sacro> XeryusTC: nope, they've taken me to court (past tense)
11:48:09  <XeryusTC> you still own the place?
11:48:29  <Sacro> rented
11:50:15  <XeryusTC> that makes you live there officially
11:50:41  <Sacro> i had a load of trouble, got burgled a few times and the place got trashed
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12:17:30  <Sacro> roboman: night
12:17:36  <Trenskow> roboman, nn :)
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12:43:54  <Dicope> hi
12:44:12  <Dicope> i've seen a webpage with a list of OTTD patches
12:44:21  <Dicope> but i had to reinstall windows and i lost my history
12:44:33  <Dicope> anyone knows about that page?
12:44:48  <peter1138> yeah, richk was involved i think
12:45:45  <Dicope> this doesn't really help me. :)
12:45:48  <peter1138> :)
12:45:56  <peter1138> it might when he's around ;p
12:50:16  <Ihmemies> he wants it not!
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12:50:18  <Ihmemies> *now
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13:04:13  <Belugas> good day
13:04:19  <peter1138> hello
13:05:08  <hylje> HI
13:05:21  <Sacro> hey
13:05:45  <Belugas> heyho Sacro
13:05:57  <Belugas> HiHo hylje
13:06:01  <Sacro> hey Belugas
13:06:22  <Belugas> tourlou peter1138
13:07:15  <Bjarni> hi people
13:07:31  <Bjarni> it appears to be greeting time again :)
13:07:53  <Sacro> hi Bjarni
13:07:54  <Belugas> Greetings Ho to you, Bjarni!
13:08:43  <Sacro> yay, £650 debt sorted
13:08:45  <CIA-14> peter1138 * r5319 /branch/newgrf_lab/: [newgrf_lab] - New branch for collaboration and development of NewGRF features.
13:10:22  <Bjarni> Sacro: your loan shark is sleeping with the fishes?
13:11:41  <Bjarni> heh, I just read /branch/newgrf_lab and I wondered "hey, I can't recall we got a branch named that" and then I read the line and it suddenly made sense
13:12:05  <Sacro> Bjarni: not quite, my benfits finally went throuhg
13:12:12  <Sacro> now to sort out the other £800
13:12:47  <peter1138> "fuck off you fucking cocks" will do the trick, i reckon
13:12:56  <Sacro> peter1138: yeah, possibly
13:13:09  <hylje> :o
13:13:15  <Sacro> gnome is borked again
13:13:31  <peter1138> egdy's still borked :(
13:13:39  <Sacro> brb
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13:14:10  <hylje> my gnome isnt borked
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13:15:49  <Bjarni> hylje: well, it appears that Sacro is working his gnomes too hard
13:16:00  <CIA-14> peter1138 * r5320 /trunk/newgrf_engine.c: - NewGRF: make sets using TTDPatch's train reversing hack/feature happier (and consistent) by returning 0 for the flag it uses.
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13:20:46  <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/61017 <-- nomatter how good the software is, it can never prevent stupid users from having serious problems with it :P
13:21:40  <[Shaman]> lol
13:21:46  <XeryusTC> omfg
13:21:56  * XeryusTC mumbles something about n00bs :P
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13:23:26  <Sacro> if in doubt, add more deamons
13:24:01  <Bjarni> what?
13:24:18  <Bjarni> you can't even spell demons, you satanistic punk???
13:24:27  <Sacro> it seems that GNOME was having trouble starting esd, so i started it up on boot
13:25:37  <XeryusTC> Sacro: isn't it daemons? :P
13:25:56  <Sacro> and ive just discovered i can enter text in hex using CTRL+SHIFT in gedit
13:26:24  <glx> XeryusTC: yes it's a sound server
13:26:46  <Sacro> its that strange ae character i cant do
13:26:47  <XeryusTC> glx: that was a retorical question...
13:26:55  <XeryusTC> æ?
13:27:17  <Sacro> &#230;
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13:27:28  <Sacro> XeryusTC: yeah, that one
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13:27:47  <XeryusTC> ctrl+alt+z :)
13:27:53  <Bjarni> Sacro: æ?
13:28:04  <Bjarni> it's simple
13:28:12  <Sacro> Bjarni: that looks totally different
13:28:14  <Bjarni> it's the key right of l and left of ø
13:28:34  <Sacro> thats 195 and 166
13:28:45  <Sacro> Bjarni: i dont have that kind of key
13:28:55  <Bjarni> no, I mean how to type it without using hex values
13:29:04  <Sacro> right of | is z
13:29:06  <XeryusTC> time for a mirc upgrade, i still dont have utf8 support :(
13:29:13  <peter1138> dæmons
13:29:14  <peter1138> hmm
13:29:16  <Sacro> i dont have utf in ksirc
13:29:24  <peter1138> ksirc-- then
13:29:51  <Bjarni> Sacro: I said right of l (lowercase L), not pipe :P
13:30:04  <Sacro> ooh
13:30:12  <peter1138> right of l is ;
13:30:15  <Sacro> yup
13:30:24  <Bjarni> hmm
13:30:30  <Bjarni> this could be interesting
13:30:44  <Bjarni> try to change your keyboard layout to Danish and press the ; button
13:30:45  <peter1138> æ is altgr+a for me
13:30:53  <Bjarni> it should then print æ
13:31:43  <Sacro> ooh, someone try utf8 now :D
13:32:13  <Bjarni> æøå
13:32:14  <Sacro> i think ive changed default encoding
13:32:15  <XeryusTC> æp
13:32:17  <peter1138> like æ
13:32:18  <Bjarni> ??
13:32:20  <peter1138> or EUR
13:32:24  <peter1138> or even £
13:32:44  <Bjarni> äö?<«
13:32:55  <Bjarni> ?...ç??ñ
13:32:58  <Sacro> yay :D UTF8ness
13:32:58  <Bjarni> good enough?
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13:33:11  <Bjarni> ¿
13:33:12  <Sacro> changed the default encoding and we're away
13:33:22  <Sacro> thats alt+0191
13:33:37  <Bjarni> ¿ <-- I guess that's Australian for a question
13:33:47  * Bjarni hides from all Spanish people in here
13:33:50  <glx> lol
13:34:08  <XeryusTC> ¿
13:34:26  <XeryusTC> that upside down questionmark looks weird in this font
13:34:26  <Bjarni> hmm
13:34:35  <glx> XeryusTC: not utf8 client?
13:34:37  <Bjarni> it kind of looks like a hook on a crane or something like that
13:34:39  <Sacro> XeryusTC: i dont see them :(
13:35:10  <Sacro> now to figure out how to write in utf8
13:35:17  <XeryusTC> glx: no, i still need to upgrade to a version that supports utf8
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13:36:34  <Sacro> hmm, altgr + a takes me to #apache
13:36:59  <Sacro> ooh, keyboard shortcuts
13:38:02  <XeryusTC> lol
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13:39:00  <Frostregen> @gigajum: here?
13:39:56  <Sacro> he aint no op :P
13:40:37  <Frostregen> :P
13:40:52  <Sacro> gigajum: PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGG
13:41:00  <gigajum> what?
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13:41:07  <Sacro> Frostregen: he's here :P
13:41:08  <gigajum> let me read the lines
13:41:10  <Frostregen> hmm, the ping works ;)
13:41:24  <gigajum> nope only highlight on $me
13:41:25  <Frostregen> just a comment to your post
13:41:30  <Frostregen> ah, k
13:42:05  <Frostregen> the "bulldoze before paste" option is intended for pasting over existing rail
13:42:15  <Frostregen> then the signals will be right
13:42:28  <gigajum> yeah but i have not enough money?
13:42:44  <Frostregen> then copy&paste is not a good option anyway
13:43:01  <gigajum> yeah i noticed that
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13:46:43  <gigajum> but the estimated cost "warning" is still incorrect :(
13:47:04  <Frostregen> its just the cost from the last build piece of whatever
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13:47:55  <Frostregen> should be possible to make it better... i'll look into it
13:48:01  <gigajum> anyway it's wrong :)
13:48:23  <Trenskow> Bjarni, have you seen my patch is done ?
13:48:28  <Trenskow> i'm quite proud :
13:48:29  <Trenskow> D
13:49:08  <Trenskow> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/213
13:50:33  <valhalla`hiding> nice Trenskow
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13:52:02  <Trenskow> valhalla`hiding, thx
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14:08:36  <Sacro> currency NOK :|?
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14:46:45  <Sacro> hi _bitwise
14:46:53  <_bitwise> heya Sacro
14:46:56  <_bitwise> what's shakin
14:48:04  <Sacro> err...interesting one
14:48:59  <_bitwise> guess that's sort of an american'ish term.
14:50:57  <Sacro> yeah
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14:52:08  <_bitwise> time to make a frappe and fire up openttd.  Work is over now. :)
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14:54:41  <_bitwise> Sacro: oi mate
14:54:44  <_bitwise> is that better?
14:54:46  <Sacro> yeah?
14:54:55  <Sacro> frappe?
14:55:04  <_bitwise> better than "what's shakin" :P
14:55:07  <Sacro> sorry, was just perusing the form
14:55:18  <Sacro> lol, yeah OI does the job
14:55:19  <_bitwise> oh, its this uhm.. greek phenomenon.. iced coffee type thing.
14:55:44  <_bitwise> addictive little buggers :|
14:57:40  <Sacro> lol
14:57:42  <Sacro> i dont nlike coffe
14:57:43  <Sacro> e
15:02:18  <_bitwise> hmm, the old school competition sabatoge technique of sticking a depot/train on the back of one of their depots doesn't seem to work any more.
15:02:31  <_bitwise> Or am I mistaken?
15:02:55  <peter1138> it's fixed, yes
15:04:25  <_bitwise> sooo.. where can I find some good compeition sabatoge techniques with openttd? :)
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15:05:55  <peter1138> flooding, if you can manage it
15:06:04  <peter1138> blocking's pretty obvious
15:06:38  <[Shaman]> why would you want to sabotage anyways
15:06:52  <[Shaman]> i mean, in the same time you can earn 3 times as much money as that his company is worth, and take him over :P
15:07:12  <_bitwise> hmm
15:07:15  <_bitwise> that's an idea.
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15:08:12  <_bitwise> do new competitors come in when you take over one?
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15:08:36  <_bitwise> god what a mess, I just inherited a nightmare :)
15:08:47  <_bitwise> hmm, and the answer is yes, a new one comes
15:09:28  <Brianetta> [16:58] <Sacro> i dont nlike coffe
15:09:34  <Brianetta> Coffee helps your spelling
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15:20:45  <Sacro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pSLrEF0sF4 :D
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15:22:57  <[Shaman]> what rev was 0.4.7 again?
15:23:01  <[Shaman]> (approx)
15:23:21  <Sacro> lol
15:23:26  <Sacro> i dunno :S
15:24:20  <peter1138> 4121
15:30:14  <Bjarni> Sacro: I didn't know that you are red o_O
15:30:21  <Sacro> Bjarni: eh?
15:30:54  <Bjarni> you posted a movie about yourself...
15:31:15  <[Shaman]> o_o
15:31:28  <Sacro> did i?
15:31:29  <Sacro> :S
15:31:31  <Sacro> im confused
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15:31:54  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pSLrEF0sF4
15:32:11  <Sacro> noo, thats Mr Greedy
15:32:11  <Bjarni> maybe you got a leak in your short time memory
15:32:48  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	noo, thats Mr Greedy <-- yeah, and who do you think they based him of?
15:32:59  <Sacro> :o, that was years before my time
15:33:31  <Bjarni> both yes and no
15:33:48  <Bjarni> you can't claim that the time machine will not be invented before you are dead
15:34:02  <Sacro> oh i can
15:34:26  <Prof_Frink> 'cause you *are* dead!
15:34:35  <Sacro> :S
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15:44:08  <Bjarni> Brianetta: railphone?
15:44:20  <Bjarni> you mean you got a direct line to the railroad at each crossing?
15:44:52  <Brianetta> Yes
15:45:06  <Brianetta> except on some pedestrian crossings in remote places
15:45:18  <Bjarni> we don't have those at all
15:45:40  <Qball> here the railroad company has it's own telephone network
15:45:41  <Brianetta> So how do you get the trains stopped if a bus breaks down on the crossing?
15:45:42  <Qball> all fiber
15:45:57  <Brianetta> Aside from, "put a bus in front of it?"
15:46:48  <Bjarni> 	<Brianetta>	So how do you get the trains stopped if a bus breaks down on the crossing? <-- you fix the bus and moves it... how hard can it be?
15:46:59  <Bjarni> besides you don't break down in crossings
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15:47:09  <Bjarni> that's a train only thing :P
15:47:14  <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: The express is due in 5 mins.
15:47:15  <Zavior> Thats good advice
15:47:19  <Brianetta> Bjarni: Breakdowns happen on crossings, momemts before the barriers fall.
15:47:23  <Brianetta> It's sod's law.
15:47:27  <Zavior> Almost as goods as "dont stop a chainsaw with your genitals"
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15:48:19  <Qball> don;t put your child in the microwave
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16:04:11  <black_Nightmare> anyone want play a small quick game?  its named 'dragon's small server' ... mind you that the modem quitted for no reason so the server is 56K access hence small map size ^_^
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16:08:56  <Ihmemies> 56k, I had isdn 6 years ago :P
16:09:23  <black_Nightmare> well point was...I kinda wanted to play with someone but the connection I'm on now forces a small map
16:09:28  <black_Nightmare> so far..I'm lonely :-S
16:09:29  <black_Nightmare> heh
16:11:47  <peter1138> hmm
16:12:00  <peter1138> is there some way of removing files from svn but not removing the local copy?
16:12:30  <Belugas> svn delete ?
16:12:41  <Belugas> worked for me previously
16:12:43  <Belugas> if guess
16:12:50  <glx> svn delete url
16:13:00  <moebius_> mv file file.washere && svn rm file && mv file.washere file
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16:13:09  <black_Nightmare> ihmemies..if you want to join just to look...thats fine..as long as there's someone else than me alone on my server :p
16:13:11  <moebius_> (never fails)
16:14:06  <peter1138> Belugas: svn delete removes the local copy
16:14:18  <peter1138> ah fuck it, they'll get generated anyway
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16:15:38  <moebius_> svn sometimes behaves in funny ways... that's why I use bzr myself ;-)
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16:18:59  <black_Nightmare> hm someone named Player joined then suddenly left.. :-S
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16:20:04  <Belugas> peter1138 : you are right, of course.  Why not make a copy of that file before runnning svn?  then, reinsert it :D
16:21:20  <Belugas> I jusst remember : doing the same in TortoiseSVN (Delete) does NOT remove the file, it is just removed from the versionning system
16:21:46  <peter1138> bzzzt. tortoisesvn *does* remove the file, and also fucks itself totally
16:21:59  <peter1138> (i keep getting locks, and errors accessing tmp...)
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16:23:41  <Belugas> hu??
16:23:46  <peter1138> quite
16:24:34  * Belugas wonders how many versionning systems are on his system..
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16:26:56  <peter1138> maybe my tortoisesvn needs updating
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16:27:46  <Belugas> I want to go home
16:27:55  <Belugas> take off this uniform and leave the show
16:28:34  <Prof_Frink> Belugas is listening to Pink Floyd - Stop
16:29:04  * Belugas is impressed :D
16:32:12  <Bjarni> <Brianetta>	Bjarni: Breakdowns happen on crossings, momemts before the barriers fall. <-- well, then the vehicle will be hit by the barrier, which will result in a warning to the train driver =>  the train slows down enough to be able to stop before the crossing
16:32:18  <Bjarni> sorry about the long reply time
16:32:24  <Bjarni> I got a real life
16:32:33  <Bjarni> I just manage to hide it very well from IRC ;)
16:32:46  <Bjarni> oops, Brianetta left :(
16:33:30  <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: and if the vehicle breaks down between the barriers rather than under them?
16:33:57  <Sacro> Prof_Frink: increase to ramming speed
16:34:19  <Prof_Frink> No, that's how HSTs get broken
16:35:04  <Bjarni> the odds for that is.... well I don't think that ever happened
16:35:39  <Bjarni> once a car was parked on the track in a way to avoid the barriers, but that didn't fool the train and it stopped anyway
16:35:53  *** valhalla`hiding is now known as valhallasw
16:36:10  <Bjarni> valhallasw: give me your lunch money
16:36:18  <valhallasw> or else what?
16:36:27  * valhallasw eats up Bjarni
16:36:31  <Bjarni> or else you better go back to hiding
16:36:58  <Bjarni> valhallasw: are you in or not?
16:37:27  <valhallasw> Bjarni, dead men don't talk.
16:37:41  * Bjarni shoots valhallasw
16:37:43  <Bjarni> good point
16:37:54  <Bjarni> and interesting last words
16:37:55  <valhallasw> you missed
16:37:56  <valhallasw> moron
16:38:05  <Bjarni> hmm
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16:38:09  * valhallasw grabs his hitman sniper rifle
16:38:10  <Bjarni> then who did I kill?
16:38:14  * valhallasw aims at Bjarni's head
16:38:21  * Bjarni shoots valhallasw
16:38:21  <valhallasw> Mucht, I guess
16:38:27  * valhallasw kills DaleStan
16:38:29  <valhallasw> whoops
16:38:35  * Bjarni shoots valhallasw
16:38:38  <Bjarni> and hits
16:38:42  <valhallasw> yes
16:38:49  <valhallasw> but I'm wearing a bulletproof vest
16:38:52  * valhallasw kills Bjarni
16:38:52  <Bjarni> valhallasw: you are now dead
16:39:06  <valhallasw> oh.
16:39:14  <Bjarni> <valhallasw>	but I'm wearing a bulletproof vest <-- that would make you blind since I aimed for your eye
16:39:24  <valhallasw> oh.
16:39:27  * valhallasw is blind
16:39:34  * valhallasw sends a nuke to Bjarni
16:39:51  <Bjarni> send it to Iran... they want that kind of stuff
16:40:28  * Bjarni gets a tommy gun and empty the magazine at point blank range at valhallasw
16:40:51  <Bjarni> don't distribute weapons of mass destruction
16:41:28  <coppercore> ya know
16:41:37  <coppercore> if iran gets a nuke it's heading to israel
16:41:54  <coppercore> then when israel gets nuked, WWIII starts
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16:42:35  <Bjarni> and you base that on ?
16:42:43  <Bjarni> I mean the WWIII thing
16:42:54  <Prof_Frink> Not sure about WWIII, but there wouldn't be much left of Iran.
16:43:02  <coppercore> israel will retaliate, then the other nations will help iran
16:43:07  <Belugas> nor israel...
16:43:12  <coppercore> israel will get cornered and ask for UN help...
16:43:45  <Belugas> too late, it will get dusted before the cowboys could  be there...
16:43:51  <Bjarni> then the question is if UN wants to make it into WWIII
16:44:10  <Bjarni> yeah and what Belugas said... it would take too long for UN to decide on this
16:44:29  <anboni> Bush will have attacked long before the UN council has even gathered
16:44:33  <coppercore> then guess who's gonna say "Fuck the UN, we're going in ourselves"
16:44:43  <coppercore> :P
16:44:47  <Bjarni> Bush, but only him
16:44:50  <Belugas> another reason not to go in war : there is OIL in Iran.  We would not want THAT wasted, don't we?
16:44:51  <Prof_Frink> coppercore: the same people currently living next door?
16:44:54  <Bjarni> not the US army :P
16:45:24  <anboni> Belugas, that reason hasn't stopped bush in the past (in fact, it was the prime reason gulf war 2 was started)
16:45:26  <coppercore> lol
16:45:28  <Bjarni> <Prof_Frink>	coppercore: the same people currently living next door? <-- well, Israel manage to upset every single country next to them
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16:45:55  <Prof_Frink> I was thinking about next door to Iran
16:45:55  <Belugas> nuke an oil country?  never.  invade yes. nuke? big nono
16:46:21  <anboni> Belugas, no nukes true, but you said 'reason not to go in war' :)
16:46:37  <Bjarni> Belugas: well, if it is a radioactive wasteland, then there would not be native people to claim the oil
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16:47:04  <Wolf01> hi guys
16:47:07  <Belugas> To be honest, I fear much more Iran then big wind talker Saddam Hussein
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16:47:33  <Belugas> Bjarni : An atomic blast will ignite the oil, don't you think?
16:47:42  <Belugas> BIG BADABOUM
16:47:58  <coppercore> too far undeground :P
16:48:01  <Bjarni> then the enemy would have either died or surrendered
16:48:46  <Belugas> iranians are fanatics.  Irakians were oppresed.  Iranians will die rather then surrender
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16:51:20  <Belugas> Anyway, I don't think anyone has anything to gain from a WW, these days.  It would be too much destructive
16:52:05  <anboni> KUDr, ping?
16:53:01  <Belugas> So instead, I'll keep on listening to U2 signing peace and love :)
16:53:03  <Belugas> and pray
16:59:13  <anboni> yay! i managed to construct another situation that confuses yapf :)
17:00:52  <CIA-14> belugas * r5321 /branch/newgrf_lab/ (openttd.h variables.h):
17:00:52  <CIA-14> [newgrf_lab] Add MAX_CARGO_SLOT.
17:00:52  <CIA-14> This is the maximum number of cargo PER CLIMATE available in newcargo.
17:00:52  <CIA-14> ONly 12 are actually available.
17:00:52  <CIA-14> NUM_CARGO is kept for now.
17:00:52  <CIA-14> Changing _cargo_payment_rates does not affect loading.
17:14:47  <Sacro> http://cgi.ebay.com/Complete-Vintage-IBM-Computer-PC-5150-w-Accessories_W0QQitemZ8831128373QQihZ005QQcategoryZ74946QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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17:16:08  <anboni> wow.. i used to have one of those
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17:16:39  <peter1138> .99 :D
17:16:53  <Sacro> IBM Compatible :P
17:17:28  <hylje> :o
17:17:35  <peter1138> ahhh, the useless bigger keys
17:18:07  <Sacro> only in the us though
17:18:17  <anboni> yeah, bummer
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17:18:32  <Bjarni> hmm
17:18:36  <Bjarni> stupid American
17:18:55  <Bjarni> he will not ship it to the really big vintage marked overseas
17:19:21  <Bjarni> that would be the Russian mafia... they deal in antiques
17:20:26  <Sacro> mwahahaha, a russian attack all controlled by one of them
17:20:39  <hylje> :o
17:20:43  <Bjarni> it would work
17:20:55  <Bjarni> if it is coded for that thing, it will work
17:21:00  <Bjarni> it's very stable
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17:21:41  <Prof_Frink> Yeah, but can you play openTTD on it?
17:21:57  <Bjarni> no, but you can play nuclear war on it
17:22:08  <peter1138> and bouncing babies, maybe
17:22:25  * Prof_Frink bounces a baby at peter1138
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17:24:51  <Sacro> ooh, "Global Thermonuclear War" :D
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17:47:30  <Wolf01> nobody wants to help me to develop my patch for more advanced transparency?
17:48:06  <Sacro> Wolf01: aww :( what do you need?
17:48:29  <Wolf01> bugfixing and optimization
17:50:07  <Sacro> ahh
17:50:14  <Wolf01> and maybe restyle the hotkeys function
17:50:25  <Sacro> i can bugfix, but best optimiser is KuDr
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17:56:20  <Wolf01> i have troubles with the redraw of the sprites which are made transparent when comes out a newspaper
17:57:39  <Wolf01> i think that there is something to change in the viewport.h or .c i don't remember, but i don't understand well that code
17:58:18  <Sacro> hmm, i dunno anyone whose worked on that
17:58:27  <Sacro> peter1138 might have actually, for 2cc
17:59:23  <Wolf01> the last person which worked on it was tron
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18:04:25  <Sacro> oh
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18:24:58  <_bitwise> what's the little pushpin in the right corner of the windows actually do?
18:25:12  <Prof_Frink> _bitwise: click it, then hit delete
18:25:35  <_bitwise> whirred
18:25:39  <_bitwise> thx
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18:33:16  <Wolfolo|AWAY> Sono away:[ eating ] lasciate pure un messaggio in segreteria
18:33:43  <Prof_Frink> Wolfolo|AWAY: Lose the away message. Seriously.
18:35:15  <gradator> http://www.sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
18:35:16  <gradator> :)
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18:58:00  <_bitwise> what determines which size airports I can build?
18:58:13  <XeryusTC> date
19:02:28  <_bitwise> shouldn't I be able to build a "small" airport before I build a "city"?
19:02:45  <The-Moon> Dose anyone know Doom Craft?
19:04:29  <Wolf01> uhm, idea, show catchement area also for placed stations when you want to add a new piece
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19:11:28  <XeryusTC> <_bitwise> shouldn't I be able to build a "small" airport before I build a "city"? <- the small airport wont be available anymore from a certain date
19:11:34  <The-Moon> If anyone wants to try MiniIN online, i have a server up with the most current version
19:11:50  <_bitwise> oh
19:11:55  <_bitwise> clever small airportness
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19:12:25  <Trenskow> anyone ? an online virusscanner for windows ?
19:12:40  <The-Moon> ?
19:13:02  <The-Moon> http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files/
19:14:51  <Wolf01> Trenskow, try http://housecall.trendmicro.com/
19:15:04  <Trenskow> Wolf01, thx
19:15:08  <The-Moon> Avg Free is best
19:15:32  <Wolf01> that's true
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19:22:58  <peter1138> _bitwise: unless you enable the patch option for it
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19:30:34  <peter1138> http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/6875/6875358cv1a.jpg
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19:34:01  <Eddi|zuHause> urgs... anyone knows how i can change the windows console to a sane codepage? (windows-1251 maybe?)
19:34:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i currently get output like this: Aufl÷sen des Hostnamen ?fuzzle.orgœ.... seconds 0.00, 195.112.37.102
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19:53:20  <Eddi|zuHause> errr... when i try to compile miniIN, i get tons of yapf errors... is that normal?
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19:55:57  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: errors?
19:56:31  <Eddi|zuHause> it starts with something like "RailType does not name a type"
19:56:55  <Eddi|zuHause> and then so many followups that the buffer of the console is not large enough
19:57:56  <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause: what compiler?
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19:58:13  <Eddi|zuHause> is there a way to output stderr into a file?
19:58:19  <Eddi|zuHause> KUDr: gcc on mingw
19:59:05  <KUDr> ok, i will look at it, but it will take some time. I have slow connection
19:59:10  <Eddi|zuHause> G:\Spiele\OpenTTD2>g++ --version
19:59:10  <Eddi|zuHause> g++ (GCC) 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
19:59:10  <Eddi|zuHause> Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
19:59:20  <[Shaman]> I don't have that error with VS8.0
19:59:21  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause: what about trunk?
19:59:29  <Eddi|zuHause> need to test
20:00:42  <CIA-14> peter1138 * r5322 /branch/utf8/ (57 files in 7 dirs): [utf8] - Sync with r5223:r5321 from trunk
20:01:55  <Eddi|zuHause> trunk seems to compile fine
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20:06:56  <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause: i have only warnings there but not related to yapf - some copypaste_gui.c, vehicle_gui.c and so on
20:07:18  <KUDr> but it is not mingw - it is gcc 4.0.1 on linux
20:07:35  <KUDr> but it should be the same
20:08:09  <KUDr> did you try to do fresh checkout into empty directory?
20:08:24  <Eddi|zuHause> not yet...
20:08:37  <anboni> make clean solved some odd problems for me a while back :)
20:08:40  <KUDr> must be something broken on your side
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20:09:00  <KUDr> yes, make clean helped me too
20:09:03  <KUDr> sometimes
20:09:13  <KUDr> Hackykid: hi
20:09:20  <Hackykid> heya KUDr
20:09:45  <Eddi|zuHause> grrr... case sensitive--
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20:14:27  <Eddi|zuHause> i so fucking hate windows
20:14:41  <Sacro> hmm, Ultra 64
20:14:41  * anboni agrees
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20:18:49  <Eddi|zuHause> this is getting rediculous...
20:19:01  <hylje> your spelling is ridiculous
20:19:10  <Eddi|zuHause> i need to reinstall, and don't have a XP Pro CD around
20:19:24  <hylje> so install linux mayb?
20:19:28  <Sacro> that can only be a good thing
20:19:31  <Eddi|zuHause> anyone here to help me set up a proper linux?
20:19:44  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yep
20:19:46  <Eddi|zuHause> i mean so that it actually really works
20:19:46  <hylje> depends on what you want
20:19:55  <Eddi|zuHause> at least everything i can do now
20:20:25  <Sacro> well, i use Arch Linux personally
20:20:30  <Eddi|zuHause> which is going to the net, chatting, watching sattelite TV, hopefully play a few games
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20:21:13  <Eddi|zuHause> getting to the net is probably not much of a problem, since i have a nat router running elsewhere
20:21:35  <Eddi|zuHause> but i currently have a MAC bridge between 2 network cards, which has to run afterwards
20:22:06  <Sacro> linux does that nicely
20:22:24  <Eddi|zuHause> and all those windows computers have to be able to access my HDs and vice versa
20:22:40  <Eddi|zuHause> my current drives are NTFS
20:23:21  <Eddi|zuHause> and, i don't want to have to boot windows ever again... so single OS
20:23:41  <Sacro> pmsl @ the piracy video im watching
20:24:08  <Eddi|zuHause> is there any _real_ difference between all those linux versions around?
20:24:12  <hylje> no
20:24:20  <hylje> mostly just package managers and philosophy
20:24:25  <Sacro> from 1992, telling you about how not to copy amiga floppies, and cartridges
20:24:42  <anboni> Eddi|zuHause, i've done just that for this pc, migrated to linux about 2 months ago and haven't felt the need to boot to window at all since.. but setting it up properly is going to take some time, might wanna give it some more preperation instead of doing it on a whim right now
20:24:46  <Sacro> then going on to say "now game manufacturers are going one step ahead by using CD's"
20:24:48  <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: you need to get off of youtube
20:25:01  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: http://bad-influence.co.uk/ :D
20:25:22  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: there is quite a variation in package installation/management, and configuration
20:25:33  <anboni> especially getting your data from your ntfs partitions to ext2 is going to take some effort (linux cant really work with ntfs)
20:25:46  <hylje> anboni: linux can, but its not supported
20:25:57  <hylje> you can fubar your ntfs with some carelessness
20:26:04  <Sacro> linux reads from it nicely, and writes to existing files
20:26:13  <anboni> hylje, and not very reliable.. i'd steer way from it personally :)
20:26:14  <Sacro> it just cant create or delete them
20:26:17  <Eddi|zuHause> well... let's say i pick some random linux... suse 10.1 maybe?
20:26:25  <Sacro> and it can do it perfectly well with captive ntfs
20:26:28  <Sacro> NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT SUSE
20:26:37  * Sacro hates Yast
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20:26:42  <Sacro> and the cost
20:26:54  <anboni> Eddi|zuHause, i like suse, although YaST isn't the best management tool around
20:26:57  <anboni> Sacro, there is no cost
20:27:18  <Eddi|zuHause> so... alternatives?
20:27:23  <Sacro> anboni: opensuse is free, but is suse?
20:27:23  <Eddi|zuHause> where to get?
20:27:29  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: ArchLinux www.archlinux.org
20:27:45  <hylje> gentoo!
20:27:55  <anboni> Eddi|zuHause, i'd suggest www.opensuse.org or alternatively www.fedora.org.. both of which i've had some pretty good (and user-friendly) experience with
20:27:56  <hylje> although you gotta have plenty of time to tweak w/ gentoo
20:28:08  <Eddi|zuHause> you are not actually helping with spamming names ;)
20:28:26  <hylje> alternative
20:28:27  <hylje> s
20:28:46  <anboni> Sacro, the only difference between opensuse and suse is the support backing.. and perhaps some commercial stuff that's not included with opensuse.. but i've never missed any of that
20:28:49  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but even a little reason behind it would be great for choosing
20:29:48  <anboni> Eddi|zuHause, i'd stick with one of the really mainstream distro's, simply for ease of setting up and maintaining.. once you're a bit more comfortable with how everything works, you can always switch
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20:33:41  <Eddi|zuHause> so... let's try suse
20:33:41  <Sacro> anboni: i still dont like YAST,i prefer to edit config files using nano
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20:34:42  <anboni> Sacro, yes, i agree YaST isn't the best tool around for the more advanced stuff.. but for basic stuff, it's just fine.. and i think Eddi|zuHause is currently mostly looking for the basic stuff :)
20:34:54  <Sacro> maybe...
20:35:57  <Eddi|zuHause> 3.5GB... that's gonna take a while ;)
20:36:03  <Eddi|zuHause> see you next week ;)
20:36:35  <anboni> hehe
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20:37:23  <Sacro> :| thats huge
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20:40:58  <Eddi|zuHause> 't says ETA 62:14:37
20:41:10  <anboni> ouch
20:41:16  <Sacro> i dont think my whole arch hd is that big
20:42:04  <Eddi|zuHause> would i get better speed with a torrent?
20:42:14  <anboni> probably
20:42:33  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... no experiments... i have time ;)
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20:43:07  <Eddi|zuHause> a day more or less doesn't make much of a difference
20:43:26  <anboni> you might wanna browse http://www.suseforums.net/ while you're waiting .. lot of useful information to be had there, probably also about any migration issues you're going to run into:)
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20:44:10  <hylje> theres epix to be had as well
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20:56:33  <Sacro> hmm
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21:19:33  <peter1138> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5097664.stm
21:19:38  <peter1138> crazy dutch ;p
21:20:26  <anboni> interesting thing though.. it seems the judges in this appeal weren't completely impartial
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21:21:34  <anboni> of the three, one had a chairman position at some copyright agency, the other used to be involved with some other part in the record industry
21:23:12  <Hackykid> hmm, and the agency he was chairman of seems to be housed at the same adres as BREIN
21:23:39  <anboni> oh yeah, there was that too.. but that was "purely coincidental"... yeah right
21:23:39  <Hackykid> (which was the accusing party)
21:23:43  <Hackykid> :-p
21:24:00  <Hackykid> ah no
21:24:09  <Hackykid> he denies being the chairman
21:24:16  <anboni> suuure
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21:25:37  <Hackykid> hmm 500ghz @ IBM... thats a lot...
21:25:50  <hylje> but does it run linux?
21:25:50  <anboni> heh yeah, that's some overclocking :)
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21:26:31  <TheBlasphemer> Hey :)
21:26:36  <Hackykid> minus 269 degrees... thats cold...
21:26:41  <SpComb> link?
21:27:17  <Hackykid> hmm, well, if you can read dutch
21:27:23  <SpComb> not really
21:27:45  <TheBlasphemer> Lrmme guess, tweakers.net ;)?
21:27:49  <TheBlasphemer> Lemme even :P
21:28:06  <anboni> what else?:)
21:28:12  <Hackykid> :-)
21:28:15  <anboni> well.. it could be webwereld i guess
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21:39:45  <TheBlasphemer> Is anyone familiar with the networking behind OpenTTD ?
21:40:56  <Eddi|zuHause> "svn blame" and take the most mentioned name ;)
21:43:03  <TheBlasphemer> lol! :P
21:43:31  <Hackykid> hehe
21:43:41  <Hackykid> i once was? maybe i still am!?
21:43:57  <Hackykid> or maybe not :-p
21:44:18  <Hackykid> anyway its better to just ask your question instead of asking if there is an expert in the room
21:44:27  <TheBlasphemer> I'm just wondering, if the production rate of a factory changes at the server side, how does the client know ?
21:44:49  <Hackykid> the random seed is synchronised
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21:45:17  <Hackykid> so exactly the same 'random' fluctuations will happen on all clients and the server
21:45:45  <TheBlasphemer> :o
21:45:59  <TheBlasphemer> That's a pretty darn cool way to do that ;)
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21:46:20  <Brianetta> no
21:46:22  <Brianetta> it isn't
21:46:32  <Hackykid> its not?
21:46:34  <Brianetta> but it's impossible to change without a complete rewrite
21:46:35  <Hackykid> yes it is!
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21:47:13  <Hackykid> hmm, but really, i dont see anything wrong with it?
21:47:21  <Hackykid> why would you want to rewrite it?
21:47:24  <Brianetta> You don't pay for bandwidth, do you?
21:47:31  <Hackykid> huh?
21:47:48  <Hackykid> syncing the seed once cost less bandwidth than sending every production change.....
21:49:40  <Bjarni> <TheBlasphemer>	Is anyone familiar with the networking behind OpenTTD ? <-- I hope TrueLight is familiar with it
21:49:41  <Brianetta> The seed is synced frequently
21:49:48  <Brianetta> and not everything needs to be identical
21:49:48  <Bjarni> he wrote most (all?) of it
21:50:12  <Hackykid> hey, i wrote some of it too!
21:50:20  <Hackykid> about master server stuff stuff
21:50:50  <Sacro> hmm, why mp3 player not working :(
21:51:12  <Bjarni> Sacro: check the mute button and volume :P
21:51:22  <Hackykid> Bjarni: i remember you not being able to connect to me cause you got my ip backwards :-p
21:51:57  <Sacro> Bjarni: i was trying to mount it
21:52:12  <Prof_Frink> check dmesg
21:52:52  <Sacro> hmm, i plugged it into line in, and the cdrom ejected
21:54:00  <Bjarni> Hackykid: yeah.... endian issues can be funny :D
21:54:10  <Bjarni> but only afterwards :P
21:54:17  <Sacro> as can the dutch...
21:54:30  <Bjarni> not when it mirrors IP addresses for one person only >_<
21:54:50  <anboni> Sacro, apperently, we're considered pretty rude generally
21:55:02  <TheBlasphemer> mwuhahaha! a cheat-enabled-server mwuhahaha! :P
21:55:03  <Hackykid> oh really?
21:55:11  <Sacro> Hackykid: ya really
21:55:22  <Hackykid> pffft, lies
21:55:24  <Hackykid> ALL LIES!
21:55:29  <lws1984> LIES!
21:55:32  <lws1984> sorry
21:55:47  <Sacro> tell me lies tell me sweet little lies...
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21:56:43  <lws1984> sweet little lies? ok
21:56:48  <anboni> Hackykid, http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/65763 :)
21:56:51  <lws1984> all candy is 100& natrual
21:56:54  <lws1984> :p
21:57:08  <anboni> (of course, it /is/ FOK we're talking about here :)
21:57:15  <Sacro> 100& what?
21:57:33  <Sacro> kaarten?
21:57:36  <lws1984> i meant 100%
21:57:38  <Sacro> click here for free carton...
21:57:47  <lws1984> lol
21:58:03  <Sacro> my dutch isnt too good
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21:58:22  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	Bjarni: i was trying to mount it <-- it's the wrong format... try to reformat it and see if it mounts
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21:58:39  <Hackykid> hmm, yeah, and 60+ are more rude than 40-
21:59:21  <anboni> yeah
21:59:32  <anboni> grumpy old people
21:59:35  <Sacro> Bjarni: nope, its VFAT
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22:08:46  <Wolf01> bye
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22:10:57  <Sacro> grr, cant relocate my finger
22:11:10  <lws1984> it's over there
22:11:15  <lws1984> --->
22:11:15  <lws1984> :p
22:11:30  <Eddi|zuHause> mv locationA locationB
22:11:50  <Sacro> hmm
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22:37:37  <Sacro> :( cant get XGL to work
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22:39:27  <peter1138> 's naff anyway
22:39:57  <Sacro> i like it
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22:50:09  <The-Moon> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5099584.stm
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23:00:13  <Born_Acorn> "Materials like gallium arsenide are commonly used, but are expensive and difficult to fabricate." <==  Nobody could ever lick their computers again.
23:00:19  <Born_Acorn> (With that arsenic there)
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23:53:44  <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf? after reconnect, the suse download says 403???
23:53:57  <Ihmemies> mwhahaa
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