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Log for #openttd on 8th July 2006:
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00:11:26  <ammler> Hello, is it possible to see a actually MiniIN game in Mulitplayer mode?
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00:12:39  <RichK67> there is usually a game on the servers, but i cant see one at the mo... (its late in europe, so not many players on)
00:13:20  <ammler> Europe is the region with most players?
00:14:00  <RichK67> yeah, by a long way
00:14:04  <Belugas_Gone> and with the most "fans" of the game
00:14:30  <Belugas_Gone> sometimes, i feel like the only north-american ottder
00:14:40  <Belugas_Gone> maybe because I am :S
00:14:55  <RichK67> awwww
00:15:37  <ammler> I'm from Europe, too, can't help...
00:16:03  <ammler> is there somthing simular in America?
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00:18:38  <Belugas_Gone> similar to what? to trains?  yes, trains :D
00:18:51  <ammler> or are there saves from a MiniIN, would like to see it in action...
00:19:28  <ammler> a internet game like OpenTTD
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00:25:09  <RichK67> ammler: i have several, but only ones that started out as normal games, and i use them as test games.... my main one has 450+ trains, but it doesnt show the capabilities of the terrain generator
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00:29:55  <ammler> RickK67, I like to see something with subsidiaries and path based signals...
00:30:24  <glx> ammler: hmm PBS is not as good as it should :)
00:30:34  <RichK67> why not download the MiniIN, and start a game... you will like it :)
00:30:44  <ammler> oh, I have
00:30:59  <ammler> but not played much
00:31:41  <ammler> so, I was looking for multiplayer
00:32:15  <ammler> It is very difficult to find a game with same version
00:32:59  <ammler> is it possible to download older MiniIN releases?
00:33:02  <RichK67> ah ok - yeah, no official fixed releases yet
00:33:30  <RichK67> only from the SVN, and then compile - but I think that messes up the release iD
00:33:54  <RichK67> i should sort it out to auto-archive, but havent yet
00:34:53  <ammler> I don't know svn well, how to checkout a special relaese canditate?
00:36:06  <glx> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/MiniIN -rXXXX
00:36:59  <ammler> thx, write it down, I'll do it when next MiniIN game is on the server...
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00:39:59  <ammler> Now, wish you a good night, lot of you making a really good job... THANKS.
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00:42:32  <UnderBuilder> Belugas / Belugas_Gone: sometimes I think the same thing, until I discover another of my country (I discovered one :))
00:43:01  <Belugas> which country agaion?  sorry, little brain here :)
00:43:59  <UnderBuilder> I am from Argentina, practicaly no-one ottd-er is from here
00:44:27  <Belugas> heheh :) We're on the same side of the ocean!
00:45:05  <Belugas> Althoug there is a whole continent between us ...
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01:01:47  <Belugas_Gone> richk67 gone to bed :)
01:02:02  <Belugas_Gone> poor him :)  works really hard on that miniIN
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09:02:24  <Wolf01> hi all
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09:12:55  <TL|Away> hi Wolf01
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10:31:58  *** mode/#openttd [-b %Artea!*@*] by peter1138
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10:47:35  <peter1138> . o O ( svn mv branches/MiniIN branches/HugeIN )
10:51:16  <TL|Away> hehe, peter1138, you were annoyed by it too? ;) (the ban)
10:51:49  <peter1138> :)
10:52:07  <TL|Away> I already told him he should deactivate it.. stupid scripts :(
10:52:52  <[Shaman]> lol peter.
10:53:48  <TL|Away> http://www.ongein.nl/getItem2.aspx?file=lekker-dromen.jpg <- prrrtttt
10:54:05  <anboni> hahaha
10:54:15  <anboni> cute kitty
10:54:25  <TL|Away> yeaj
10:54:38  <guru3> cute kitty
10:55:23  <TL|Away> how far is RC1 in releasing? :p
10:55:58  <peter1138> dunno, dv's mia and i have no idea how to make it all
10:56:16  <TL|Away> DV has given his windows binary to Celestar
10:56:22  <TL|Away> and more then 1people can upload files to SF
11:01:49  <ln-> than, not then
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11:20:56  <black_Nightmare> *wishes I knew where akalam was :p*
11:25:37  <Zavior> Akalamanaia?
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11:26:40  <black_Nightmare> yeah
11:26:54  <black_Nightmare> haven't seen server yesterday and seem to still be offline today too
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11:27:04  <Zavior> I think he was online yesterday
11:27:06  <Zavior> On qnet
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11:41:57  <black_Nightmare> thanks anyhow
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12:11:16  <CIA-3> miham * r5477 /trunk/lang/ (american.txt brazilian_portuguese.txt french.txt):
12:11:16  <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-08 14:10:46
12:11:16  <CIA-3> american - 1 fixed by WhiteRabbit (1)
12:11:16  <CIA-3> brazilian_portuguese - 5 fixed, 116 changed by tucalipe (121)
12:11:16  <CIA-3> french - 1 changed by glx (1)
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12:51:15  <ammler> why does train 61 unload gold in wood drop?
12:51:57  <ammler> is it possible to look, with which other trains the orders
12:52:02  <ammler> are shared
12:52:14  <ammler> sorry, wrong channel
12:53:14  <ammler> but the question with orders is also for you ;-)
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13:14:29  <TL|Away> OpenTTD is in Linux Magazine, a dutch magazine about linux :p
13:14:54  <anboni> hmm.. MiniIN seems to have some issues surrounding full loading and fifo loading...
13:15:00  <anboni> cool :)
13:15:41  <anboni> is that mag any good? maybe i should look into getting a subscription to stay up to speed
13:16:12  <TL|Away> It is a bit technical, and some articals absolutely sucks, but I pay 15 euro a year for it, so oh well :p
13:16:16  <TL|Away> it has useful things from time to time
13:16:32  <anboni> hmm.. E15 isn't too bad. but that's a special deal, i'm guessing?:)
13:16:40  <TL|Away> student deal yes
13:16:42  <TL|Away> else it is 25 :p
13:16:48  <anboni> heh
13:16:51  <anboni> url?
13:16:57  <TL|Away> absolutely no idea :p
13:17:02  <anboni> hmpf :)
13:17:02  <TL|Away> I orded it via surfspot.nl :p
13:18:37  <anboni> it doesnt happen to have some url listed in the colofon?;)
13:18:51  <TL|Away> http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=linux+magazine&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta=
13:18:54  <TL|Away> one simple google lookup
13:19:06  <TL|Away> and the first hit
13:19:08  <TL|Away> is right
13:19:15  <TL|Away> so lazy ass, do search youreslf :)
13:19:41  <anboni> hmm. yeah, guess that's the one small downside to having my google language set to english :)
13:19:56  <TL|Away> :)
13:20:04  <TL|Away> the website is a bit outdated
13:20:17  <TL|Away> number 3 I have here, while they say number 2 is coming soon :p
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13:23:34  <anboni> well.. website being outdated seems to be a common failing at HUB publishers (www.hub.nl) :) the publisher's website doesnt even list Linux Mag as one of their publications :)
13:23:47  <TL|Away> hehehehe
13:24:09  <anboni> oh wait they do.. but they consider it "business to business".. not consumer oriented...
13:24:17  <TL|Away> LOL!
13:28:49  <anboni> well.. let's see what it is...
13:29:02  <TL|Away> :) It aint bad :)
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13:42:42  <anboni> Wolf01, ping
13:43:49  <Zavior> pong
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13:46:39  <anboni> wow.. the daylength patch as it's included in MiniIN is pretty fucked up
13:47:26  <anboni> looks like train income is multiplied by the daylength before it gets added to the bank balance
13:48:03  <anboni> also, loan interest is insane (probably also multiplied).. one month of interested on a 300,000 loan is 500,000....
13:49:18  <TL|Away> nice 'bug' :p
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13:50:43  <anboni> yeah... i noticed it in my normal game.. i had been running it about 100mil in the bank with daylength=1.. then i set daylength to 32 and maybe 10 minutes later i noticed my bank balance cross the 700mil mark
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13:51:24  <TL|Away> hehe
13:52:33  <Zavior> heh
13:52:42  <Zavior> You better start paying that loan real quick :D
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13:53:41  <anboni> i havent had a loan in my normal game for ages :) started a new game to verify there was actually a problem :) with 100+ trains, the numbers in the finance window fluctuate too much to notice really what's happening:)
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14:37:28  <black_Nightmare> anyone up to playing together online? :p (you pick map/etc)
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14:44:37  <black_Nightmare> :p
14:44:39  <black_Nightmare> heh
14:45:29  <Zavior> You mean, like in same company?
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14:47:40  <black_Nightmare> that or seperate..doesn't matter
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14:47:50  <black_Nightmare> too many of the servers up now are like past year 2000..no fun :-S
14:48:12  <black_Nightmare> and I've already played like 2+ hours of ttdpatch myself, had enough ^_^
14:48:34  <Zavior> :-)
14:49:10  <Zavior> There arent rally any servers that run latest nightly or mini-in
14:49:20  <Zavior> Brianetta's is the only i think :/
14:50:06  <black_Nightmare> nah I mean standard 0.4.7
14:50:50  <black_Nightmare> nearby every server I check are like in year 2000-2090 .. and the only few that are pre-2000 .. two of them disconnected right away .. and one has all co slots full and passworded
14:51:12  <black_Nightmare> may as well as just go play driving game on the tv instead soon
14:51:44  <anboni> might wanna check out the #openttdcoop sandbox server
14:51:54  <anboni> (although that might actually be the one with all slots full :) )
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14:53:02  <black_Nightmare> I don't see that one..just #openttd.sandra and some other personal servers
14:53:43  <anboni> well.. before you start playing there, you should be in that channel anyway.. so go and ask there :)
14:54:13  <black_Nightmare> you mean its been delisted?
14:54:52  <IneQuation> hi all
14:54:56  <IneQuation> one stupid question
14:54:58  <anboni> nope, it's listed
14:55:05  <anboni> but you need to be in the channel before playing there
14:55:18  <IneQuation> is there a way to play scenarios for original TTD in openttd? or convert them to openttd?
14:55:20  <black_Nightmare> humm....
14:55:29  <black_Nightmare> must have dropped off the server list here for a while
14:55:34  <black_Nightmare> not seeing it
14:56:46  <Born_Acorn> You can just load up the original scenarios by putting them in the scenarios folder and pressing play scenario
14:56:59  <Born_Acorn> (Not the New Game list)
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15:09:49  <IneQuation> are any of the devs here?
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15:12:13  <anboni> IneQuation, they often are.. but many question you dont need a dev for, so ask away
15:12:29  <IneQuation> well thats a bug report
15:12:36  <IneQuation> guess I'll use the bug tracker ;)
15:12:45  <Brianetta> It might be a known bug
15:12:47  <Brianetta> Tell us (:
15:13:38  <IneQuation> I've already made a ticket :P
15:13:40  <IneQuation> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/238
15:15:00  <Frostregen> i think this is known and fixed
15:15:01  <IneQuation> was quite surprised when it happened
15:15:03  <Brianetta> Known bug.
15:15:15  <Brianetta> Also, yes, fixed in trunk.
15:15:19  <IneQuation> I have 0.4.8 and this just happened :S
15:15:24  <IneQuation> 0.4.8 RC1
15:15:32  <Brianetta> Reported Version  	0.4.7
15:15:35  <Brianetta> Should have mentioned that
15:15:40  <Brianetta> They'll just close it
15:15:46  <IneQuation> ah yeah
15:15:48  <IneQuation> damn
15:15:53  <IneQuation> should've selected .4.8
15:15:56  <IneQuation> anyway :P
15:16:01  <IneQuation> it's not a big thing
15:16:07  <IneQuation> if they'll close it, they'll close it
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15:44:55  <Wolf01> [15:50:56] <anboni> yeah... i noticed it in my normal game.. i had been running it about 100mil in the bank with daylength=1.. then i set daylength to 32 and maybe 10 minutes later i noticed my bank balance cross the 700mil mark
15:45:15  <Wolf01> i said that, but sacro and richk wanted to keep the patch as is now
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15:45:47  <anboni> Wolf01, feel free to slap them with my report :)
15:46:24  <Wolf01> i added an option in configure patches to influence economy, but seem that is not merged yet
15:47:28  <anboni> i do have an option "day length affect economy" though
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15:51:03  <Wolf01> if you enable it, the vehicles profits will be divided by daylength, as the dayticks are multiplied by daylength, so a vehicle should earn the same quantity in a year
15:51:31  <anboni> i dont think that actually happened either
15:51:38  <anboni> but didn't pay too much attention to it
15:52:58  <Wolf01> maybe something broke it
15:53:32  <anboni> wouldn't be the first broken thing in Mini^H^H^H^HHugeIN :) FIFO loading is broken too
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16:12:41  <_max_> Is there any way to get f.ex. Oilrigs to transfer the oil faster to the trainstation?
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16:13:19  <_max_> oilrig has like 180.000 liters of oil but only about 5.000 is actually transfered to the trainstatoin each 4-5 minutes.
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16:27:05  <Artea> what think about MySQL "Services" on OpenTTD Dev ?
16:28:09  <TL|Away> Artea: you gibberish talk do
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16:28:38  <anboni> lol
16:28:40  <TL|Away> I will release that mute if and when you told me you switched of that away shit
16:28:41  <anboni> he didn't even learn...
16:28:46  <TL|Away> if not, you will stay like this for ever
16:29:41  <TL|Away> told = tell, hehe, it still has to happen ;)
16:30:40  <anboni> actually, i think 'told' in that context was correct too :) ("tot je me hebt verteld") :)
16:31:09  <TL|Away> yeah, but english isn't that easy as dutch is :)
16:31:15  <_max_> Anyone know where i can find documentation on how to increate performance of shipping between factory and trainstatoins etc?
16:31:34  <_max_> bought the game so long ago i dont have the manual around anymore, and i can't seem to find one online.
16:31:49  <TL|Away> _max_: check wiki
16:31:56  <_max_> thanks.
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16:33:09  <anboni> sigh.. temp hit 30 again...
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16:41:36  <ln-> if "will" was "would", then "told" would be ok, i think.
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16:42:02  <Bjarni> peter1138: ping
16:42:57  <Bjarni> peter1138: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26087 <-- I'm pretty sure that it's a problem with displaying the sprites from the grf and not a problem in autoreplace as suggested
16:44:27  <_max_> iv checked about in the wiki but i still can't find anything on if its possible to increase the speed of moving iteams from factory to the actual train statoin.
16:45:17  <peter1138> Bjarni: err
16:45:22  <peter1138> Bjarni: it's a design of the dbset
16:46:01  <peter1138> the "MORE" sprites indeed don't display
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16:46:54  <Bjarni> hmm
16:47:14  <Bjarni> so the train is actually too short to leave the depot?
16:47:17  <peter1138> no
16:47:43  <peter1138> we don't implement that check, heh
16:48:16  <peter1138> that train needs to be 3, 6, or 9 wagons in length
16:49:13  <Bjarni> hmm
16:49:44  <Bjarni> how should autoreplace know that?
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16:49:48  <peter1138> it can't
16:50:05  <peter1138> i consider it a dbsetxl design flaw
16:50:22  <Bjarni> ok
16:50:27  <Bjarni> then write that ;)
16:50:43  <Bjarni> oh, you already did
16:53:00  <peter1138> i can probably commit the callback 31 support now though
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16:57:37  <Bjarni> if the train is actually modules of 3 units, then why is it not made of an engine+2 articulated parts?
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18:01:40  <Wolf01> anboni, i found what's happened
18:01:59  <Wolf01> richk merged a wrong version of daylength patch
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18:17:29  <TL|Away> Wolf01: sure sure, always have someone else to blame :p
18:17:49  <[Shaman]> TL|Away: What else should he do, blame himself? PFFFF :P
18:17:53  <TL|Away> :)
18:18:35  <Wolf01> he probably merged the wrong old and the new version instead of the one only
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18:26:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> <Bjarni> if the train is actually modules of 3 units, then why is it not made of an engine+2 articulated parts? <- because each wagon could be passengers or mail
18:28:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> or probably of local or long distance type (if that is not just an unimplemented feature in ottd ;))
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19:02:08  <Wolf01> i can't understand the economy section, each time i try to control the behaviour of the economy related with daylength i get a different behaviour instead of what i want
19:02:23  <Wolf01> can somebody help me to fix that patch?
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19:11:17  <black_Nightmare> :->
19:11:25  <black_Nightmare> I see you're still here zavior :p
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19:12:22  <Zavior> True.
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19:12:47  <black_Nightmare> zavior...just curious about it anyhow but do you sometimes play on 0.4.7 servers at times?
19:13:03  <Zavior> Sometimes.
19:13:24  <Zavior> But there arent many worth playing :f
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19:13:55  <black_Nightmare> me too (part of these times because I'm a bit bored with ttdpatch or just want to be playing aside with another co etc)
19:14:31  <black_Nightmare> so far I just kinda drift onto whatever servers are pre-2000 (or even just started a while ago too) and if the connection is good I stay on for a while :p
19:15:03  <black_Nightmare> I can't understand these servers that still use 0.4.5 or have some odd version numbers that dont' seem to be reported on the openttd download page
19:15:05  <black_Nightmare> figures!
19:15:15  <Zavior> I know one server that has 4h play time, and its hosted in finland.
19:15:32  <Zavior> Some servers might be using nigthly builds too :o
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19:15:54  <black_Nightmare> zavior..one of these server actually had -no- build number at all yet there were like 3 co's already created
19:15:57  <black_Nightmare> weird :-/
19:16:08  <black_Nightmare> and then there's the one that was like Mxxxx instead of Rxxxx
19:16:19  <Zavior> :P
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19:24:48  <black_Nightmare> zavior..anyhow...I know I asked questions to you before but now here's a new one...
19:24:53  <black_Nightmare> what type of trains do you like to haul? :)
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19:25:40  <Zavior> Humm?
19:25:57  <Zavior> Depends on the situationi guess
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19:26:36  <black_Nightmare> heh
19:27:08  <Zavior> I've just done some passenger games so.. :op
19:28:30  <black_Nightmare> me usually like coal, oil (thats fuel depots for you too in UKIS grf), goods, mail&passenger, sometimes farms too if good numbers ... tropical is water and copper and whatever adds up to fruits usually so far (passenger if there large enough cities thanks to fruit service)
19:29:18  <Zavior> Well coop usually links everything ;p
19:34:12  <black_Nightmare> well..yeah I know
19:34:26  <peter1138> you leave out the lucious iron ore -> steel -> goods chain?
19:34:27  <peter1138> tut
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19:34:45  <black_Nightmare> peter...the problem is most ore mines are small
19:35:04  <black_Nightmare> so I usually don't bother unless there's one thats unusually large and not far from any existing steel mills
19:35:05  <black_Nightmare> ;)
19:35:21  <black_Nightmare> I still recall the time I actually saw one that was only 8 tonnes
19:35:32  <black_Nightmare> it eventually went to 64 tonnes a few long years later tho
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19:39:42  <black_Nightmare> peter..you know...I've been known several times to ask if I could take goods there and there because I'm only seeing raw going in .. most of the times the player owning the raw service in doesn't mind or even tell me to build the goods route
19:40:01  <black_Nightmare> I recall one where I was just delivering several farms to one factory then someone else took all the goods .. worked out fine because we agreed with each others
19:40:02  <black_Nightmare> ;)
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21:31:16  <Wolf01> 'night all
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