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00:00:48 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should put a link to the nightly page into the first post, RichK67 ;) 00:01:17 <Eddi|zuHause> (not the 2nd) 00:02:05 *** bp0 [i=pburt0@watertownDHCP-2.216-254-231.iw.net] has left #openttd [] 00:02:13 <RichK67> :) 00:02:17 <CIA-8> richk * r5528 /branches/MiniIN/lang/german.txt: 00:02:17 <CIA-8> [MiniIN]: lang: German phrases for MiniIN strings. 00:02:17 <CIA-8> Many thanks to Eddi|zuHause for the patch. 00:02:43 <BurningFeetMan> Hmm, so I download this err, build, and run on my server... and get all my mates to do the same. Then we can all play? 00:02:43 <BurningFeetMan> haha, Dare I as for a list of things that this build does? :) 00:03:02 <RichK67> lol - you have the list there 00:03:09 <RichK67> (and its out of date ;) ) 00:03:50 <BurningFeetMan> 39 pages long! No summaries? :P 00:04:29 <Eddi|zuHause> usually, there is an own thread for each patch that is included 00:04:38 <RichK67> new terrain generator, subsidiaries, snow in temperate climate, improved economy, etc... 00:04:39 <Eddi|zuHause> which explains what it does 00:04:54 <RichK67> yeah, its about 30 patches atm 00:05:01 <BurningFeetMan> Improved economy! :o 00:05:16 <RichK67> improved town growth too... nice grid roads :) 00:05:43 <RichK67> signal autocompletion for those *really* long map-edge to map-edge rail lines :) 00:06:08 <RichK67> the new airports made it into trunk (just) 00:06:11 <Eddi|zuHause> which reminds me... you recently said something about a massive economy patch, where would one find that? 00:06:33 <RichK67> but they include the intercontinental - a 4 runway mega airport 00:06:41 <RichK67> powerful economy patch 00:06:47 <RichK67> ? 00:07:01 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 00:07:02 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever ;) probably 00:07:28 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 00:08:07 <BurningFeetMan> Fantastic! 00:08:17 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:08:20 <RichK67> dunno where... i had a look and decided it wasnt ready for MiniIN... would cause headaches I didnt have time for at that time... maybe soon 00:09:22 <RichK67> anyway... im off 00:09:29 <RichK67> cya tomorrow 00:09:52 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 00:10:11 <BurningFeetMan> How long do some of these patches take to develop and write? 00:10:45 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176105228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:10:55 <Eddi|zuHause> that really depends on how much you change 00:11:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and how much effort you put in keeping things clean 00:11:31 <BurningFeetMan> I bet they're very extensive too... need a good programing backround to start tinkering with the code? 00:12:10 <Eddi|zuHause> you need a while to learn how to read the code 00:12:22 <Eddi|zuHause> good background can help with that 00:12:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i am not a coder, i am a computer scientist, so i have my problems with that :) 00:15:06 <BurningFeetMan> Haha, I write MAcro's for Excel... that's about as complex as I get :) Although I'm good with mathmatics. 00:15:24 <Triffid_Hunter> BurningFeetMan: there's often an early stage with each language where you'll find that you can change others' code but not create your own programs 00:15:29 <Sacro> VBA ftw 00:16:55 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:18:23 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:18:29 <BurningFeetMan> Yeah, hehe, User forms rock my socks :D I have many macros in Excel that control the spread sheet, which then controls 3D designer software, Solidworks 2006. 00:18:43 <BurningFeetMan> It's all VBA Sacro 00:20:14 <Sacro> yup 00:21:38 <BurningFeetMan> With knowledge of VBA, would the Open TTD be close to my understanding? 00:22:23 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 00:22:24 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:23:06 <Triffid_Hunter> BurningFeetMan: probably not 00:23:23 <BurningFeetMan> hahaha *cries* 00:23:44 <Triffid_Hunter> I did lots of vb a few years back, just getting a handle on C now 00:23:55 <Triffid_Hunter> I think i've been spoilt by perl in the interim 00:25:03 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176101134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause> my languages are generally a little more... abstract :=) 00:30:14 <Sacro> hmm 00:32:10 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:35:37 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-141-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:42:03 <BurningFeetMan> Man, Matex is playing on my server while he's at work :( How rude :( 00:44:13 <Matex> :D 00:44:18 <Matex> and im making lots of moneys 00:50:33 <BurningFeetMan> I'm gonna buy so much land in the next game, you won't be able to buy ANY where. 00:51:13 <BurningFeetMan> 1024 x 1024 = 1048576 x $~800 = 8860800. 00:51:23 <BurningFeetMan> D.E.A.D --> DEAD 00:52:01 <Matex> ^^ 00:52:04 <Matex> its 4000 for land 00:52:06 <Matex> not 800 00:52:18 <BurningFeetMan> WHAT, in 1950 it's 800 :( 00:52:30 <BurningFeetMan> *checks piggy bank* 00:52:42 <Matex> :lol: 01:15:23 *** k-man_ [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has joined #openttd 01:21:44 <k-man_> what would it take to create a totaly free version of openttd? ie so you don;t need the original game to play? 01:21:58 <k-man_> is there a way to zoom out the map? 01:22:05 <Tobin> Completely new graphics. 01:22:09 <k-man_> ie, in large games, the map doesn't seem to be able to show the whole map 01:22:19 <Tobin> Yeah, it's being worked on. 01:22:30 <k-man_> tobin, it seems to me as though it shouldn't be too hard to do? (new graphics that is) 01:22:42 <k-man_> whats being worked on? the graphics or the zoomable map? 01:22:55 <Tobin> The zoomable map. 01:22:59 <k-man_> oh 01:23:00 <k-man_> ok 01:23:44 <Tobin> The graphics are being worked on too but there several thousand sprites (~4000 IIRC) per climate so don't wait for it. 01:24:05 <k-man_> oh really? 01:24:07 <k-man_> wow 01:24:09 <k-man_> thats a lot 01:24:10 <Tobin> And _good_ graphics are _very_ hard to do. 01:24:14 <k-man_> really 01:24:17 <k-man_> interesting 01:24:30 <k-man_> is there a link that discusses that anywhere? 01:24:40 <Tobin> Check the wiki. 01:25:13 <k-man_> thanks 01:26:11 <Matex> hmm 01:26:16 <Matex> a garbage mod would be cool 01:26:20 <Matex> a large city makes heaps of waste 01:26:27 <Matex> waste needs removal 01:26:38 <BurningFeetMan> I just had an idea... A Garbage mod! Cities produce waste, waste transported to tips/dumps/recycling plants 01:27:03 *** Artea_ [i=xtreme@bl7-208-17.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:27:03 <Tobin> Wait for new industries to be implemented. 01:27:17 <Matex> that was my idea BFM 01:27:19 <Tobin> Newindustries will allow all that kind of stuff. 01:27:33 <Tobin> It's been thought of long before now. 01:27:41 <Matex> no it hasn;t 01:27:49 <Tobin> I'd be surprised if someone hasn't started working on a grf. 01:27:52 <Matex> it's 100% original Matex idea 01:27:53 <Matex> ^^ 01:28:12 <Tobin> Matex: It has, go check the TTDPatch newindustries threads. 01:28:22 <Matex> :< 01:28:25 <BurningFeetMan> It was my idea... I have the MSN logs to prove it, you poo head. 01:28:46 * Tobin wanders off 01:29:01 <BurningFeetMan> TTDPATCH new industries threads ... hrmmm... 01:29:20 <Matex> spoon says (11:22 AM): 01:29:21 <Matex> A garabage MOD! 01:29:21 <Matex> BFM says (11:22 AM): 01:29:21 <Matex> ooooh 01:29:21 <Matex> BFM says (11:22 AM): 01:29:21 <Matex> thatd be cool 01:29:24 <Matex> looks like I said it 01:30:23 <BurningFeetMan> haha, you tool :P 01:30:36 <BurningFeetMan> Don't make me destroy you 01:30:58 <Matex> looks like I'm destroying you 01:31:02 <Matex> 3x your profit per year 01:34:10 <BurningFeetMan> Looks like you're logged in at work, and I haven't logged in for what, ohh, 14 hours? 01:35:03 <Matex> ^^ 01:35:10 <Matex> you should download it and play at work 01:37:10 <Eddi|zuHause> you should not work at 3:30 AM ;) 01:37:19 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 01:37:21 <Matex> its 11:30am :P 01:37:34 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's not! :) 01:37:46 <BurningFeetMan> It's 11:37am on my clock 01:38:24 <Eddi|zuHause> mine clearly says 3:38 01:38:45 <Matex> mine says 11:35am 01:39:13 <Matex> are you voer in 'Athens, Helsinki, Instanbul'? 01:39:25 <Matex> (thats what my phone says is in the 3:41AM timeslot ;) 01:40:12 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i am in "Berlin, Paris, Rome" 01:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but we have summer time over here 01:41:12 <Eddi|zuHause> so everything is +1h 01:41:13 <Matex> ah 01:41:34 <Matex> so you have a Samsung phone? :| 01:41:55 <Eddi|zuHause> u have no phone... 01:41:56 <Eddi|zuHause> *i* 01:42:52 <Matex> I see 01:42:56 <Matex> *shifty eyes* 01:43:34 <Matex> BurningFeetMan, you .. *cry* just lost another one 01:43:35 <Matex> 302 dead 01:43:50 <BurningFeetMan> 302 dead! 01:43:55 <Matex> yep 01:43:57 <BurningFeetMan> But the plane only seats 300! 01:44:02 <Matex> :O 01:44:03 <Matex> OVERFILLED 01:44:11 <Matex> It must've been terrorists hiding in the cargo hold 01:44:12 <Eddi|zuHause> you have 2 pilots 01:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and 300 passengers 01:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause> makes 302 persons 01:44:50 <BurningFeetMan> And no air hostesses? What type of airline is that! :o 01:45:09 <Eddi|zuHause> cheap-o-fly airlines 01:45:47 <Matex> BFM Empire? 01:45:50 <Matex> cheap asses 01:46:26 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:46:46 <Matex> I just lost a bus 01:46:50 <Matex> 15 dead :( 01:46:55 <Matex> due to your railway 01:46:57 <Matex> yes YOURS 01:47:05 <Matex> I expect reimbursment 01:47:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> try to stack so many busses on the level crossing, that next time his train crashes :p 01:48:08 <Matex> orly? 01:48:11 <Matex> I never knew that worked 01:48:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> it doesn't :) 01:50:07 <k-man_> do people actually build transport industries other than rail? bizzare 01:50:10 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:50:15 <Matex> I do 01:50:19 <Matex> I do aircraft and road. 01:50:25 <k-man_> very strange 01:50:43 <Matex> why? 01:52:27 <k-man_> um.. cos for me the interesting thing about openttd is the train networks 01:52:30 <BurningFeetMan> What the hell? Did you just take out my Train with a bus? You whore! 01:52:35 <k-man_> and all the signaling stuff 01:52:58 <Matex> nah 01:52:59 <Matex> I didnt 01:53:03 <Matex> it doesnt work 01:53:30 <BurningFeetMan> K-man_, I like providing my E-civilians a transport service of bus, plane and train. They should have the choice of what they can ride. 01:53:51 <BurningFeetMan> Matex, so my train plowed through your bus? lol 01:54:02 <Matex> yes 01:54:04 <Matex> through 4 of them 01:54:06 <Matex> at 0,000 each 01:54:09 <Matex> :@ 01:54:22 <BurningFeetMan> And my train was OK! But your buses totalled? 01:54:40 <k-man_> hehe 01:54:43 <Matex> yes 01:54:46 <Matex> I was tricked :( 01:55:32 <BurningFeetMan> Were you trying to sabotage my network! 01:55:41 <Matex> never! 01:56:06 <BurningFeetMan> It hurts :( YOU HURT ME :( 01:56:14 <BurningFeetMan> To think I gave you starting cash! 01:56:45 <Matex> you know how theres all farm land round ... farms 01:56:53 <Matex> if that is destroyed, does the farm produce less? 01:59:10 <BurningFeetMan> :( 01:59:19 <BurningFeetMan> You're aweful. Those poor cows! 01:59:25 <Matex> I didn't do it 02:02:40 <BurningFeetMan> You did, didn't you... you destroyed my farm! 02:03:05 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:03:39 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:05:08 <Matex> maybe 02:05:13 <Matex> it costs alot to destroy a farm 02:07:13 <BurningFeetMan> :( 02:07:22 <Matex> OH SHIT 02:07:28 <Matex> I remvoed a farm 02:07:28 <BurningFeetMan> The map is 1024 x 1024... WHY 02:07:31 <Matex> where you had a station 02:07:32 <Matex> HOWEVER 02:07:39 <Matex> you wearn't shipping farm stuff from there 02:07:43 <Matex> you were shipping steel and coal 02:07:45 <Matex> god dammit 02:07:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:07:55 <Matex> I spent mill on ruining your game, and I destroyed the wrong thing 02:08:04 <BurningFeetMan> LOLZ 02:08:06 <Matex> 37 mill actually 02:08:18 <BurningFeetMan> Go, screen shot. 02:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> farmland does not affect the farms production 02:08:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> (but it should) 02:09:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> and i should be sleeping :) 02:10:20 <BurningFeetMan> Suck eggs Matex. SWEET FREE RANGE FARM EGGS 02:13:14 <Matex> :( 02:15:14 *** Artea_ [i=xtreme@bl7-208-145.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #OpenTTD 02:17:43 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 02:19:06 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 02:19:13 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:20:20 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:20:27 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:29:26 <mikk36> Playing: "ÿþM - ÿþC - ÿþC" (192kbps - 44kHz - Stereo) 02:29:31 <mikk36> damn 02:30:04 <mikk36> Playing: "Ministry of Sound - Chillout Session - Chillout Session 2006 CD1" (192kbps - 44kHz - Stereo) 02:30:27 <BurningFeetMan> haha 02:32:08 <mikk36> dunno why, but the script hates id3v2 tags 02:37:09 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 02:41:42 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 02:41:43 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:44:57 *** mrzero [i=mrzero@unaffiliated/mrzero] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:48:21 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:48:52 *** fusion [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 02:49:41 *** mrzero [i=mrzero@unaffiliated/mrzero] has joined #openttd 02:51:05 <lws|Away> nick lws1984 02:57:44 <mikk36> :P 02:57:52 <lws|Away> meh 02:57:55 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1984 02:58:14 <lws1984> :p 03:05:10 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:05:57 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 03:06:35 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd 03:08:28 *** mrzero [i=mrzero@unaffiliated/mrzero] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:11:47 *** mrzero [n=ole@unaffiliated/mrzero] has joined #openttd 03:19:30 <BurningFeetMan> I wanna go home so I can game on :( 03:23:43 <mikk36> lol 03:24:16 * mikk36 submitting renderings to manager over the net (7MB each rendering) 03:24:18 <mikk36> damn it's slow :P 03:24:23 <mikk36> on a 256Kbps line 03:27:00 <mikk36> renderings yet to be rendered 03:27:07 <mikk36> on 3 rendernodes 03:27:22 <BurningFeetMan> What-cha rendering? 03:27:37 <mikk36> sec... 03:27:43 <mikk36> gonna upload one jpeg 03:28:47 <mikk36> as soon as one get'sdone.. few minutes :) 03:29:08 <BurningFeetMan> I render stuff too ^_^ 03:29:23 <BurningFeetMan> Mainly steel products. I design all my stuff in Solidworks 2006 03:29:36 <mikk36> :) 03:30:35 <BurningFeetMan> Excellent, can't wait to see 03:30:46 <mikk36> uploading 03:31:02 <mikk36> http://pildid.mikk36.pri.ee/renders/MD/lfs-n-stuff/inr_xfr_lfsw_final_f0000.jpg 03:32:22 <BurningFeetMan> Holey crap that's awesome! 03:32:47 <mikk36> :P 03:32:49 <BurningFeetMan> How long did it take you? ... 03:34:14 <mikk36> the model is originally from a game Live for speed, with enchancements from our team (such as wheels, lights etc) 03:34:45 <mikk36> so can't tell u the time 03:34:54 <mikk36> and the rendering is for the community :) 03:35:13 <mikk36> render time on a dual 2.8Ghz P4 - 33 minutes 03:35:15 <BurningFeetMan> ahhh... what software? 03:35:18 <mikk36> 3ds 03:35:30 <BurningFeetMan> lol, not blender :P 03:35:52 <mikk36> nah :) 03:36:34 <mikk36> 2 last scenes to upload then my own machine will be a renderslave itsel too and i'll go to sleep at last 03:36:52 <mikk36> 06:36 :D 03:37:15 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 03:37:41 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:41:27 <BurningFeetMan> Scariest thing on Google Earth = chernobyl 03:41:49 <mikk36> lol 03:42:03 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176105228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 03:42:03 <mikk36> last on euploading :) 03:42:13 <mikk36> oh and.. u mentioned u do steel parts.. anything to show ? 03:42:28 <BurningFeetMan> hmm, I can upload to my google pages, give me a sec. 03:47:40 <BurningFeetMan> http://burningfeetman.googlepages.com/bfmsworkload 03:47:58 <BurningFeetMan> Here's just a hand full of stuff... I rarely render my work. 03:48:38 <BurningFeetMan> All those things took a couple of hours to design up, assemble and detail for manufacture. 03:49:39 <mikk36> that kind of stuff :) 03:51:03 <BurningFeetMan> Yeah, stuff that's everywhere that no one EVER notices :P 03:51:28 <mikk36> :P 03:51:53 <mikk36> well, as long as u make enough money for it, it's good :) 03:52:16 <mikk36> right ? 03:53:35 <BurningFeetMan> LOL, I wish :( been here ALMOST 2 years, and still not paid full draftsman/designer wage. 03:53:40 <BurningFeetMan> Bastards. Grrr. 03:53:47 <mikk36> lol :P 03:58:06 <BurningFeetMan> What do you do for work? 03:58:17 <mikk36> nothing... yet :P 03:59:33 <mikk36> anyway, going to hit the bed now :) 04:00:11 <mikk36> so, enjoy ur remaning workday and good bye :) 04:03:47 <Matex> hai2u Burgundavia 04:03:48 <Matex> err 04:03:49 <Matex> BurningFeetMan 04:03:54 <Matex> but hi Burgundavia as well 04:03:58 <Burgundavia> hey Matex 04:04:42 <Matex> ^^ 04:28:40 *** SpComb [i=terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 04:29:17 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd 04:32:34 *** Kuja^ [i=Kuja@irc.kuja.in] has joined #openttd 04:32:44 *** Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 04:33:21 *** spiff [n=anders@c-a368e353.05-27-6f736c2.cust.bredband.no] has joined #openttd 04:33:28 *** ems [n=e@203-217-57-89.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:34:01 *** izhirahider [n=izhirahi@unaffiliated/izhirahider] has joined #openttd 04:34:39 *** peter1138 [n=peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 04:35:00 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 04:35:08 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 04:35:19 <BurningFeetMan> what's +R matex 04:35:24 *** mouhez [i=mouhez@noppakerho.com] has joined #openttd 04:35:37 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 04:35:41 <Matex> registered only 04:35:44 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-10608.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 04:35:50 *** Xaroth [n=shaman@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 04:35:59 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn13-124.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 04:36:24 *** Noldo [i=vheino@lame.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 04:36:27 *** TheMask96 [i=martijn@sirius-r4.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 04:37:17 <Matex> I just overtook you in company value 04:38:52 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has joined #openttd 04:40:00 *** Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: coppertop, Frostregen, FredNeuberger, DaleStan, BurningFeetMan, dp--, coppercore, ZsoL, anboni, StarLite, (+27 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 04:40:00 *** vondel_ [i=vondel@margo.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 04:40:00 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 04:40:00 *** Netsplit over, joins: SimonRC 04:40:00 *** dp_ [n=dp@p54B2D3A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:40:00 *** ZsoL [i=zsol@login09.caesar.elte.hu] has joined #openttd 04:40:02 *** dp_ is now known as dp-- 04:40:05 *** anboni [i=daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 04:40:07 *** Netsplit over, joins: FredNeuberger 04:40:07 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has joined #openttd 04:40:08 *** kjetil [i=kjetil@81.166.7.161] has joined #openttd 04:40:18 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@84.58.182.79] has joined #openttd 04:40:20 *** Netsplit over, joins: Nubian 04:40:21 *** Artanicus [i=kuitunej@lehtori.cc.tut.fi] has joined #openttd 04:40:25 *** Biff [n=biff@30.80-203-176.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 04:40:27 *** Netsplit over, joins: nfc 04:40:32 *** Rubidium [n=rubidium@83.83.209.191] has joined #openttd 04:40:33 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 04:40:38 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:40:40 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691918215.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 04:40:42 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-203-51-109-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:40:44 *** Netsplit over, joins: Zerot, mikk36 04:41:11 *** coppertop [n=copperto@dpc691918215.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 04:41:21 *** Netsplit over, joins: Morlark 04:42:03 *** Netsplit over, joins: Pixelz 04:42:07 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B801AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:42:16 *** CIA-3 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 04:42:43 *** Netsplit over, joins: Belugas_Gone 04:45:01 *** Netsplit over, joins: Naksu 04:45:08 *** ohyeah [n=ohyeah@ns.spirit.ee] has joined #openttd 04:45:24 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 04:45:51 *** Celestar [n=Jadzia_D@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 04:45:56 *** Netsplit over, joins: [Shaman], Wolfensteijn 04:45:56 <BurningFeetMan> matex, play nice 04:46:28 *** A1win [i=a1win@loota.fi] has joined #openttd 04:46:36 *** Netsplit over, joins: Matex 04:46:38 <Matex> the internets broke :( 04:48:07 <BurningFeetMan> yah 04:48:13 <BurningFeetMan> My game crash? 04:49:28 <BurningFeetMan> Matex, shall we start a server with the nightly built mods on it tonight? 04:50:53 <Matex> nah 04:50:56 <Matex> ir cdid 04:50:59 <Matex> nah do it for the weekend 04:51:03 <Matex> then we can spend some decent time on it 04:51:11 <Matex> like i have so much income now its not funny 04:51:13 <Matex> and you dont have a hope 04:51:55 *** hylje [i=hylje@194.187.214.214] has joined #openttd 04:52:15 <BurningFeetMan> So ok, You want me to try and beat you in 2 hours? 04:52:26 <BurningFeetMan> But but... I wanna play with the nightly builds! 04:53:01 <BurningFeetMan> I wanna set my airplanes to 40% load damn it! 04:53:08 <BurningFeetMan> JUST OUT OF SPITE 04:53:25 <Matex> you can do that now? 04:54:27 <BurningFeetMan> No, not now, but with the nightly build installed ;) 04:54:31 <BurningFeetMan> (I may be wrong) 04:54:41 <Matex> ah 04:58:26 *** k-man_ [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has joined #openttd 04:58:30 *** michi_cc [i=dad701e8@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has joined #openttd 04:59:40 *** fusion [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 05:01:39 *** ongeboren [i=null@cable-213-132-133-113.upc.chello.be] has joined #openttd 05:02:46 *** toweri [i=timo@a80-186-248-17.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:02:55 *** yanek [i=yanek@atlantis.mitranet.cz] has joined #openttd 05:02:58 *** gpsoft [n=gaal@mirka.ynet.sk] has joined #openttd 05:03:03 *** Kalpa [i=kalpa@dsl-hkigw4-fe38de00-122.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:03:18 *** gradator [n=gradator@cryogenia.devnullteam.org] has joined #openttd 05:03:41 <ongeboren> something i didn't find in the wiki.. when starting a dedicated server, how do i limit the number of players/spectators ? 05:04:19 *** ln- [i=lauri@ksenos.fi] has joined #openttd 05:04:31 <BurningFeetMan> You can do that in the options somewhere ongeboren, not hard to find. 05:05:45 <ongeboren> i wouldn't ask it if i didn't go through all of them, without finding what could possibly be the right one 05:07:27 <BurningFeetMan> I think it's when you create the new game/server, it's just in one of the panels before you start the game 05:07:40 <DaleStan> "I already looked in openttd.cfg" may be true for you ongeboren, but since you didn't list that as a place you looked, the assumption is that you didn't. 05:08:06 <ongeboren> this is if you go via the gui.. i was asking about the dedicated server 05:08:09 <DaleStan> BurningFeetMan: ongeboren said "dedicated server". There's no pretty GUI for a dedicated server. 05:09:01 <ongeboren> i never understood why people on irc make so many assumptions.. 05:10:03 <BurningFeetMan> haha, Mis-read, my bad. 05:10:37 <DaleStan> It's support in general. If you don't explicitly say "I did $FOO, $BAR, and $BAZ", then the only safe assumption is that you didn't. 05:11:00 <DaleStan> But back to the problem at hand. Did you read the documentation for the console? 05:11:36 <DaleStan> The relevant option might be in there. 05:11:48 <BurningFeetMan> *waits for ongeboren to start dedicated server* :D 05:12:15 <Matex> DaleStan, will you go out on a date with me? 05:12:16 <DaleStan> I do know, however, that people like Brianetta are forever asking for more powerful server controls. 05:12:40 *** tank [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 05:12:48 <ongeboren> ok, lets play it the other way around. default values for spectators and players are 8 and 10, so i grep the config file for 8 and 10.. you tell me now which one is the option i would need to change:) here's the paste: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CTdjTz11.html 05:12:55 *** tank is now known as tank_ 05:13:47 <DaleStan> ongeboren: I just looked through the config file myself and didn't find it. 05:15:38 <ongeboren> welcome to the party :> and if this http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Category:Console is everything about the console, yes, i did read it thoroughly and didn't find it mentioned there 05:18:03 <BurningFeetMan> Matex, I will go out with you. 05:23:04 <Matex> yay ^^ 05:24:32 *** TerminatorSkyNE [i=Terminat@203.27.184.126] has joined #OPENTTD 05:28:43 <TerminatorSkyNE> ya ya ya 05:31:55 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:34:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:39:23 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Life is that annoying time inbetween naps."] 05:39:49 <TerminatorSkyNE> is there a way to make trains have original acceleration instead of being slow? 05:41:54 <ongeboren> ok, i just found it the hard way via the source :/ and updated the wiki. the variable names are max_clients, max_companies and max_spectators 05:41:59 *** Morlark [n=Sean@host86-141-123-54.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:43:01 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] 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[i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:50:11 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 12:50:35 <Belugas> hello all 12:50:56 <TheMask96> hi 12:51:44 <RichK67_wrk> wow... first things said here in over 2 hours ;) 12:52:04 <TheMask96> yes.. it has been very quiet 12:52:26 <TheMask96> didn't want to say anything, cause I don't like talking to myself :) 12:52:42 <Belugas> 4 hours and 37 minutes, to be almost precise 12:53:09 <RichK67_wrk> ah.. i wasnt on until 11.00pm BST 12:53:16 <RichK67_wrk> 11.30 12:53:28 <Belugas> :) my client is always on. 12:53:35 <Belugas> Beauty and the VPN 12:53:36 <TheMask96> yep, mine also :) 12:53:37 <hylje> heh 12:53:41 <hylje> ssh ftw 12:53:43 <hylje> and screen 12:53:45 <hylje> and irssi 12:54:47 <TheMask96> yep :) irssi rocks :) 12:54:47 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181104005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:56:19 <Belugas> RichK67_wrk, just to tell you, no more need for >> 1 12:56:24 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 12:57:29 <[Shaman]> irssi > all. 12:57:35 <Belugas> RichK67_wrk : By the way, why have you kept the LoadPNG button in both places? 12:58:23 <Belugas> irssi, mIRC or whatever, guys... as long as we keep talking ;) 12:58:25 <RichK67_wrk> because if all you want in the scenario editor is to load the png, why not go straight to the option 12:58:54 <RichK67_wrk> rather than bringing up a larger separate dialog... but if you dont want it, delete it :) 12:59:31 <Belugas> but then, why not keep it only on first window? 12:59:40 <RichK67_wrk> first window? 13:00:19 <RichK67_wrk> load png on the main dialog is useful as you then have the size and climate controls, which are used for the new map 13:00:49 <RichK67_wrk> if you only have it on the scengen first landscape window, then you dont get those options 13:01:01 <RichK67_wrk> maybe it is better it is only on the tgp_gui 13:01:18 *** Eddi|zuHause2 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<ems> RichK67_wrk: hi 14:01:26 <ems> RichK67_wrk: is the power patch in the latest miniin binary? 14:03:53 <RichK67_wrk> no - i still havent worked out what the implications are on loading existing savegames into a PIP enabled client. Also, what settings would be required to have it work stably in multiplayer.... i dont think the original author has looked at either of these issues 14:04:47 <RichK67_wrk> if the patch breaks either, it wont go in 14:09:11 <RichK67_wrk> generally i apply a 1hour rule.... if i cant get a patch to stably integrate; allowing loading of current trunk saves, old saves, and old MiniIN saves, and working; then if I cant find the solution in 1 hour or so, the patch isnt ready for integration; and the original author should go work out the solution 14:09:51 <RichK67_wrk> otherwise, im spending all my time rewriting everyone's patches... which is not the point of the MiniIN :) 14:10:06 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B825AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:12:14 <Celestar> hi RichK67_wrk 14:12:42 <Belugas> Ho! A live Celestar :) 14:12:53 <Belugas> Good day sir 14:13:44 <RichK67_wrk> lo celestar 14:17:08 <Celestar> hows it? 14:17:35 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B801AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:17:58 <RichK67_wrk> nice to get back to some MiniIN... ive processed the 840 photos i took last weekend (in my non-office hours photography job...) 14:18:35 <Sacro> humber bridge ones? 14:18:48 <RichK67_wrk> i still have 75 complex ones to go, but at least the bulk is sorted, and i can think of coding again 14:18:51 <ln-> photos of non-clothe-wearing females? 14:18:59 <RichK67_wrk> no, the 75 are the humber bridge 14:19:18 <Sacro> ln-: hull is known for its "loose" women 14:19:22 <RichK67_wrk> an awful display in the end... the bridge is just TOO big 14:19:26 <Belugas> I hope there is at least one good picture among all of them ;) 14:19:43 <Sacro> RichK67_wrk: the longest single span when measered from land to land 14:20:36 <RichK67_wrk> well, if you want to see what the 840 photos became after processing (down to about 350 published); it was of an office party for a company with 65% women... i have such a hard life ;) 14:20:52 <RichK67_wrk> www.hos-events.co.uk/jul06.htm 14:20:56 <Sacro> hard eh... 14:21:04 <Sacro> pictures of hos 14:21:06 <Sacro> ? 14:21:21 <RichK67_wrk> Hays Office Support ;) 14:21:31 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:21:57 <Sacro> do i spy i-frames :| 14:22:53 <RichK67_wrk> Sacro: i did go up the bridge tower to the top... god what a view; 155m up :) 14:23:28 <Sacro> RichK67_wrk: i can imagine, ive been 19 floors up in the flats, and 13 up in the hospital 14:23:40 <Sacro> bet you can see my house from up there :) 14:24:03 <RichK67_wrk> well, you can see selby, so probably ;) 14:24:21 <Sacro> really? thats miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiles away 14:24:44 <RichK67_wrk> cloudless day, and vis about 60 miles 14:25:14 <RichK67_wrk> i dont like heights tho... it took a full 5 mins to get used to the height 14:25:26 <Sacro> impressive, hope you got some good shots of beverley 14:25:36 <RichK67_wrk> she was gorgeous ;) 14:25:44 <Sacro> she? 14:25:45 <RichK67_wrk> :P 14:26:00 <RichK67_wrk> lol - i know its a place, just kidding wiv ya 14:26:26 <Sacro> hehe, didnt know if you where referring to the bridge 14:27:24 <RichK67_wrk> i got some cool shots on the bridge, but the fireworks had a lot of smoke... pity really 14:28:00 <RichK67_wrk> but really cool driving up the closed carriageway all to myself, and parking in the middle of the bridge :) 14:28:24 <Sacro> heh, my family where delayed getting back to grimsby from hull 14:28:27 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:50 <RichK67_wrk> yeah... it happens :) 14:30:05 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:41:50 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:44:40 <eQualizer> Why the fuck is almost every truck trying to get to a same lorry station when there's free ones too!? :E 14:44:52 <eQualizer> Nice to have over 50 vehicles stuck just because of it. :F 14:45:01 <RichK67_wrk> better quality of bacon butties available? 14:45:59 <Noldo> eQualizer: there is no load balancing in that 14:47:48 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E92F.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:50:59 <Celestar> ok 14:53:52 <Belugas> Celestar, did you read my PM from yesterday? 14:54:35 <Celestar> Belugas: not that I know of? 14:54:43 <Celestar> because of a network crash 14:54:53 <Belugas> ok. let me find the log :) 14:55:30 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 15:09:53 *** init [n=init@dhcp-221-231.pdc.kth.se] has quit ["leaving"] 15:15:03 <Belugas> Celestar, email sent 15:15:13 <Celestar> great 15:21:58 <Belugas> let me know when you'll receive it 15:22:07 <Belugas> and, of course, what say you ') 15:23:03 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 15:24:37 *** ammler [n=marcel@zux181-026.adsl.green.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:24:47 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:25:35 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:13 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37098.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 15:28:05 <ems> thanks RichK67_wrk 15:28:35 <ems> RichK67_wrk: I got an idea for what to use the power for 15:29:05 <ems> RichK67_wrk: electric trains/boats/trucks//planes 15:29:20 <ems> RichK67_wrk: electric trains already use power 15:29:44 <ems> RichK67_wrk: might as well connect the two 15:30:19 <RichK67_wrk> off you go then... i look forward to your patch ;) :P 15:30:43 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 15:31:33 <[Shaman]> lol 15:31:39 <[Shaman]> that's the spirit, RichK :P 15:32:02 <[Shaman]> but yeh, Elrail requiring power patch would make it EXTREMELY interesting 15:32:10 <[Shaman]> especially in a map with limited coal mines :P 15:32:26 <Sacro> yup 15:32:29 <RichK67_wrk> i dont think it would be *too* difficult, but i dont want to write that patch 15:33:38 <RichK67_wrk> just have a _total_power_generated (A) value, and a _total_power_required ( B )... electric trains run at B/A if B>A 15:33:57 <RichK67_wrk> sorry A/B if A<B 15:34:23 <[Shaman]> yeh, max speed limitation if there's no electricity 15:34:26 <[Shaman]> that'd kick ass :o 15:34:26 <RichK67_wrk> so if you only generate 60% of the power you need, all your electrics run at 60% speed 15:34:48 <RichK67_wrk> gives an incentive to use diesels & steam to haul coal trains 15:35:02 <[Shaman]> imagine buying full transport rights to the ONLY coal station yer opponent has :o 15:35:06 <RichK67_wrk> no wires, or other things 15:35:32 <[Shaman]> bam, no more electricity, no more power for yer opponent ^^ 15:35:37 <Sacro> RichK67_wrk: DO IT NOW :D 15:35:42 <RichK67_wrk> hmm... good point... maybe its a general pot... you are a transport company not a power company 15:36:30 <RichK67_wrk> so one player could be feeding all the power stations, and the others using it... if you want a guaranteed supply though, you need to generate at least some yourself 15:36:49 <RichK67_wrk> no... my priority is MiniIN, and then StockExchange :) 15:37:29 <hylje> stockexchange? 15:37:34 <hylje> liek monetary play 15:38:05 <RichK67_wrk> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26125 15:38:31 <ems> RichK67_wrk: well each player should have enough power for 50% of their train 15:38:36 <RichK67_wrk> simple enough, and will work 15:39:04 <ems> RichK67_wrk: and get power from the station to be able to do the other 50% 15:39:05 <RichK67_wrk> yeah, maybe have the trains not stop entirely; just perhaps slow to 50% speed 15:39:38 <RichK67_wrk> i would not want to have a per-player power production; that would be too complicated 15:40:34 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 15:40:36 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:40 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 15:40:41 <hylje> id just have a extra bill sent to the player if he doesnt have power of his own 15:40:47 <RichK67_wrk> it would actually make sense to allow oil to be delivered to power stations too... eg. gas fired, etc 15:41:01 <hylje> yeah 15:41:19 <hylje> either get money from goods or get electrisity 15:41:25 <hylje> choices, choices 15:41:30 <RichK67_wrk> no... oil 15:41:42 <RichK67_wrk> ah... i see what you mean 15:41:48 <Sacro> oil fired power stations, hmm 15:41:55 <RichK67_wrk> oil-> goods, or oil->elec 15:41:58 <Sacro> maybe the refinary would generate power? 15:42:12 <hylje> wood could also be sent at power station no? 15:42:15 <RichK67_wrk> doesnt make sense to me? 15:42:31 <RichK67_wrk> wood... maybe... 15:43:37 <hylje> also passengers? :D 15:43:52 <hylje> would be somewhat morbid but.. 15:43:55 <RichK67_wrk> i would want to have the power produced reasonably accurate tho, so i would need info on what MW of power comes from wood, and oil/gas 15:44:19 <RichK67_wrk> hmm... and produces Soylent Green.. thats an idea..... muhahaahaha 15:44:46 <Rubidium> what about making the running costs depend on the amount of electricity that is made by the coal you delivered? 15:44:56 <hylje> reasonable 15:45:20 <Zavior> Heh 15:45:39 <Zavior> Just carry those 4000+ passengers to the coal plant 15:45:48 <Zavior> And the town doesn 15:45:53 <Zavior> 't even lose population 15:45:56 <RichK67_wrk> well, the power output is currently about right.... 1 tonne coal = ~7MWh, @42% efficiency ~= 3MWh/tonne 15:46:08 <hylje> Zavior: indeed 15:46:15 <RichK67_wrk> sick 15:46:18 <hylje> well 15:46:20 <RichK67_wrk> :P 15:46:26 <hylje> steel mill takes passengers too 15:46:37 <hylje> so steel is made from people and iron 15:47:48 <Zavior> ..what about sawmill 15:48:07 <hylje> :D 15:49:46 <[Shaman]> RichK67_wrk: Those airfields you made, are they GRF-coded or hardcoded? 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;) 16:33:37 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:34:18 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:34:58 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:38:34 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:40:13 <Sacro> hehe 16:40:24 <|Jeroen|> hoho 16:40:28 <Sacro> haha 16:40:47 <hylje> hwhw 16:41:14 * Sacro wants NFS MW on the GC :( 16:41:50 *** ammler [n=marcel@191-148.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 16:44:49 *** gradator [n=gradator@cryogenia.devnullteam.org] has joined #openttd 16:46:17 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 16:46:21 *** Morlark [n=Sean@host81-151-248-52.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:46:29 <Wolf01> hi all 16:48:10 <Sacro> hey Wolf01 16:48:17 <Wolf01> hey Sacro 16:48:20 <hylje> murk loar 16:51:58 <Belugas> impressive, SpComb 16:51:59 <Belugas> really 16:55:28 * Sacro looks at X-Box's on ebay 16:57:47 <hylje> hueg xbox is hueg. 16:58:15 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 16:59:01 <eQualizer> Since when there has been "normal" banks in tropic weather? 17:00:23 <Belugas> define "normal", please 17:00:43 <Sacro> temperate grf 17:02:34 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:39 <SpComb> Belugas: hmm? 17:07:49 <Belugas> your log page. nice work 17:07:56 <SpComb> ah, heh 17:08:04 <SpComb> you can even get the channel as a rss feed :P 17:08:33 <SpComb> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/last/openttd/10.rss 17:08:36 <SpComb> talk about useless features 17:09:24 <SpComb> oh, and stats: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/stats 17:09:28 <SpComb> but I don't advertise them 17:10:07 <[Shaman]> wooot 17:10:09 <[Shaman]> i'm 20th :o 17:10:35 <Sacro> :O im 5th 17:11:05 <[Shaman]> wtf 17:11:13 <[Shaman]> [Shaman] also makes sailors blush, 0.5% of the time. 17:11:17 <Sacro> that cannot be right.. 17:11:34 <[Shaman]> I make sailors blush? pff 17:11:35 *** ongeboren [i=null@cable-213-132-133-113.upc.chello.be] has quit ["tonight is another day"] 17:11:44 <Sacro> you just averaged 33% in your last 3 lines 17:11:54 <[Shaman]> I don't even swear that much on irc o_O 17:12:18 <Sacro> CIA-3 seems to be sad at the moment: 22.7% lines contained sad faces. :( <- HES A BOT :| 17:12:31 <[Shaman]> lol 17:12:48 <lws1984> teehee 17:12:59 <[Shaman]> CIA-5 following him :o 17:12:59 <Sacro> though it has me as Sacro1, i dont think ive ever used that :s 17:13:08 <Sacro> depressed bots 17:13:18 <[Shaman]> the wierd thing is 17:13:22 <[Shaman]> that i'm listed as [D]Xaroth 17:13:26 <[Shaman]> which is my irssi box 17:13:42 <[Shaman]> which isn't even connected that much 17:13:47 <[Shaman]> yet still, in the top 20 of spam >_< 17:14:39 <Sacro> Also, Sacro1 tells us what's up with 388 actions. :D 17:14:44 * Sacro is pleased with that 17:14:48 <[Shaman]> 389 17:14:50 <[Shaman]> :P 17:17:23 <hylje> :o 17:18:27 * Sacro refreshes 17:18:49 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181104005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 17:19:07 <eQualizer> hylje: Are you the same hylje who irc'd at #p-o years ago? 17:19:14 <hylje> no 17:19:48 <Sacro> actually, shouldnt be long before i overtake peter1138 17:20:05 * Sacro sees this as a challenge 17:20:23 <[Shaman]> lol 17:20:25 <hylje> mwahaa? 17:20:32 * [Shaman] thinks Sacro needs a life 17:20:48 * Sacro agrees 17:21:03 <|Jeroen|> maby u can code one 17:22:19 <Sacro> yes...but in which langage 17:22:44 <|Jeroen|> one women don't understand 17:22:47 <hylje> python 17:22:53 <Sacro> brainf*ck 17:29:56 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:31:52 *** dst_ [n=dennis@ncs.stosberg.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:21 <Belugas> eQualizer, PM, did you saw it? 17:32:44 <eQualizer> Belugas: Yes 17:32:48 <eQualizer> And I answered. 17:32:57 <eQualizer> Oh, sorry. 17:33:03 <Belugas> you're not registered... 17:33:10 <eQualizer> Yes, noticed that just now. 17:33:22 <Belugas> or you answerd to someone else ^^ 17:34:17 <Sacro> Belugas: s/saw/see :P 17:35:33 <Belugas> thanks prof Sacro :) 17:35:40 <Wolf01> lol 17:36:23 <Sacro> hehe :) 17:37:34 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181104005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:43:27 <CIA-3> miham * r5529 /trunk/lang/ (czech.txt slovak.txt): 17:43:27 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-20 19:43:08 17:43:27 <CIA-3> czech - 2 fixed, 1 changed by Hadez (3) 17:43:27 <CIA-3> slovak - 95 changed by lengyel (95) 17:43:31 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit ["The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him"] 17:46:53 <Wolf01> if i want to add a new branch on the svn how i can do that? (is only informative, i don't want to add a branch, at least for now) 17:47:10 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181104005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 17:48:10 <Belugas> IIRC, it would be "svn copy trunk MyNewBranch" 17:49:13 *** Ihmemies_ [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:52:52 <Belugas> trunk and MyNewBranch could be url or workingcopy 17:52:55 <Belugas> it depends 17:53:31 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@81-174-212-149.pth-as5.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:53:34 <muddypaws> miaow 17:53:44 <hylje> meow 17:53:45 <Sacro> w00f 17:53:52 <muddypaws> openttd: gfxinit.c:88: LoadGrfIndexed: Assertion `b' failed. 17:53:56 <muddypaws> ug 17:54:18 <Sacro> missing newgrf 17:54:37 <muddypaws> newgrf - wot? A file? 17:54:44 <muddypaws> A deb pkg? 17:55:09 <Sacro> have you just installed the game? 17:55:28 <muddypaws> Yeah 17:55:41 <Belugas> you're missing a file with extension .grf, which is specified in your openttd.cfg file, under the [newgrf] section 17:55:50 <muddypaws> I see. 17:56:01 <Sacro> did you install the things from the original game? 17:56:31 <muddypaws> I've got some ttd files copied into the data directory. 17:56:38 <muddypaws> Perhaps one is missing. 17:56:58 <muddypaws> ls data 17:56:58 <muddypaws> autorail.grf dosdummy.grf openttd.grf sample.cat trg.grf trgcr.grf trgir.grf trkfoundw.grf 17:56:58 <muddypaws> canalsw.grf nsignalsw.grf opntitle.dat signalsw.grf trg1r.grf trghr.grf trgtr.grf 17:57:40 <muddypaws> Nothing called newgrf there. 17:57:42 <ems> that isn't ls that is ln 17:57:54 <ems> :p 17:58:08 <Belugas> i don't see elrails.grf, nor airports.grf. That is if you are using the nighlies, of course 17:58:21 <muddypaws> Not using nightlies 17:58:57 <muddypaws> 0.4.8-RC1 17:59:06 <muddypaws> That's what I'm using. 18:01:14 <muddypaws> Don't have an elrails.grf anywhere on my system. 18:01:30 <Belugas> do not mind, it's only for nightlies 18:02:03 <Belugas> in the ottd root folder, do yo see the openttd.cfg? 18:02:27 <glx> from which ottd version is the openttd.grf you copied? 18:02:59 <muddypaws> Yeah, I've got an old version of openttd hanging about. 18:03:07 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:03:51 <glx> autorail.grf dosdummy.grf openttd.grf canalsw.grf nsignalsw.grf trkfoundw.grf <-- these come with openttd 18:04:20 <Sacro> i dont see sample.cat 18:04:32 * glx thinks Sacro is blind 18:04:32 <Belugas> it's there 18:04:45 * Sacro is blind :( 18:05:39 <Ihmemies_> WTF 18:05:50 <Ihmemies_> Why Ihmemies_ is in the channel? 18:05:52 <Ihmemies_> err 18:06:01 <Ihmemies_> I mean, without the _ ... since I have only one client open! 18:06:14 <Ihmemies_> heresy 18:07:18 <Belugas> hello Ihmemies 18:07:47 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181104005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:07:51 <Belugas> we are all excited to see you both 18:07:56 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:08:06 <Wolf01> sacro -> "how to see things for dummies" 18:08:34 <Sacro> Wolf01: get lost! 18:08:38 <glx> [20:08:08] Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] a quitté IRC : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) <-- that was why :) 18:08:52 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit ["The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him"] 18:09:07 * Sacro coulda swore that said "gnome lunch box" 18:09:24 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 18:09:47 <muddypaws> I've got 0.4.0.1 installed on this system. I am now trying to get 0.4.8-RC1 working. 18:10:15 <Belugas> to be honest, i don't think it is a good idea at all, muddypaws 18:10:21 <Sacro> id wait for 0.4.8-RC2 18:10:22 <Belugas> there is a bug in RC1 18:10:25 <muddypaws> Ah 18:10:43 <muddypaws> So what should I be installing? 18:10:48 <muddypaws> 0.4.7 ? 18:11:01 <Belugas> better candidate, yes 18:11:07 <coppercore> i can't wait for 1.3.3.7 18:11:13 <Belugas> taht or nighlies! Ton of fun 18:11:26 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:11:35 <Belugas> maybe I shoudlget back to work... 18:12:14 <Sacro> coppercore: hehe 18:12:29 <muddypaws> So where can I get 0.4.7 ? 18:12:35 <muddypaws> Is there an ftp site? 18:12:46 <coppercore> ftp.openttd.org ? 18:12:48 <coppercore> i think 18:12:49 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 18:14:48 <muddypaws> ftp> o 18:14:48 <muddypaws> (to) ftp.openttd.org 18:14:48 <muddypaws> ftp: connect: Connection refused 18:14:52 <muddypaws> bollocks 18:15:30 <muddypaws> does ftp.openttd.org allow anonymous ftp? 18:16:58 <Sacro> dont think there is one 18:19:54 * muddypaws downloads openttd-0.4.7-source.tar.bz2 18:22:23 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 18:22:47 <[Shaman]> that's the source.. you'd need to compile it yourself. 18:24:25 <Wolf01> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/openttd/ <- you can see here 18:25:38 <muddypaws> Yeah, I'll tryto compile it myself. 18:26:01 <[Shaman]> make sure to check the wiki on compiling, it got all the required things there as well 18:26:02 <muddypaws> But if there is a nicely precompiled version, then I'll use that. 18:26:32 <muddypaws> Yeah, you have to copy a few files into the data directory. 18:28:27 * muddypaws loves publunch 18:28:37 *** muddypaws is now known as publunch 18:29:15 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E92F.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:33:54 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCA1028.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:12 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:40:11 * publunch now compiling openttd 0.4.7 18:47:51 <publunch> hmm - seems to have workd 18:47:54 <publunch> thanks. 18:49:44 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-212-149.pth-as5.dial.plus.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:50:14 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-212-149.pth-as5.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:44 <publunch> 0.4.7 now compiled and seems to be working. 18:50:53 <publunch> Thanks. 18:54:35 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@81-174-214-5.pth-as7.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:53 <muddypaws> miaow 18:55:07 <muddypaws> 0.4.7 now apparently working 18:55:12 * Bjarni releases a dog 18:55:16 <Bjarni> muddypaws: watch out 18:59:14 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947E05.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:39 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-212-149.pth-as5.dial.plus.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:00:09 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-209-20.pth-as2.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:17 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 19:02:50 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37098.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:25 <Sacro> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 19:03:45 <RichK67> mm? 19:03:55 <publunch> Now I've got to get my connnection sorted so that I can play proper online games. 19:03:57 <publunch> miaow 19:03:59 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 19:04:08 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:05:26 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B78897.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:05:31 <Sacro> RichK67: you win :) 19:05:37 <RichK67> ? 19:05:47 <Bjarni> not ? 19:05:51 <Bjarni> it's \o/ 19:05:53 <Bjarni> you won 19:06:05 <RichK67> wtf? 19:06:13 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@81-174-214-5.pth-as7.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:06:50 <Bjarni> you won without noticing??? 19:07:06 <RichK67> i have no idea what is going on 19:07:17 <Zavior> the guy lost completely :c 19:07:40 <Bjarni> ... 19:07:56 <Zavior> Hmphm 19:07:56 <Bjarni> how can he win when he fails to figure out what goes on? 19:08:07 <Zavior> There still arent any mini-in servers! 19:08:12 <Zavior> Oh sheets. 19:09:05 <RichK67> other than the 4 listed of course 19:09:18 <Zavior> I see only one :e 19:09:26 <Sacro> any UKRS ones? 19:09:28 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:13:12 <ems> http://reddit.com/info/amqv/comments 19:13:16 <ems> interesting 19:13:26 * RichK67 points Sacro to private channel... 19:13:49 <Sacro> :| got loads 19:14:37 <ems> http://reddit.com/info/amqv/comments "Thousands of Lebanese congratulate Israel on their recent actions against the Hezbollah infrastructure" 19:16:09 <Belugas> One guest : Those lebanese are construction workers ;) 19:16:29 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-209-20.pth-as2.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 19:16:52 <Rubidium> RichK67: there is a bug in the subsidiaries part of the MiniIN. I've posted a fix for the bug on the subsidiaries thread. 19:17:24 <RichK67> its overreaction ... but OTOH, Hezbollah has fired 1600 rockets into northern Israel.... when you kick the dog enough times, eventually it bites back 19:17:41 <RichK67> great, thanks Rubidium 19:19:44 <RichK67> cool - intricate little blighter that one! 19:20:46 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E92F.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:21:29 <ems> RichK67: yes 19:21:51 <ems> RichK67: and many Lebanese don't like that 19:22:52 <ems> RichK67: the real crap is the media is doing a shitty job 19:22:57 <RichK67> yeah, its a bit like Iraq.... they have an unwanted guest in their land, but the guest has guns and freely uses them 19:23:53 <RichK67> so the locals cant kick the guest out when they misbehave/abuse their welcome 19:24:33 <Rubidium> RichK67, the question is: 'who are the locals'? 19:25:12 <RichK67> err... lebanese locals, hezbollah "unwanted guest" 19:25:35 <RichK67> or in Iraq, Iraqis locals, US "unwanted guest" 19:26:10 <Sacro> hmm, just got "You have no chance to survive make your time." from bittorrent 19:26:13 <ems> US isn't a totally unwanted guest 19:26:34 <ems> it is a mostly unwanted 19:26:42 <RichK67> wanted in 2003, now mostly unwanted 19:29:02 <ems> it is still will be wanted by some people as long as Saddam is alive 19:29:04 <RichK67> not one of our wargame club thought the attack in 2003 was a well thought through plan; we read too much Sun Tzu; "if you conquer a place, do not linger, but plan to return it rapidly"... of course, bush knew better ;) 19:29:28 <Rubidium> RichK67: but the comparison between Iraq/Lebanon does not hold (completly); I would say it is rather Lebanese == Iraqis, Hezbollah == Al-Qaeda and US == Israel (though this does not hold really true either) 19:30:20 <ems> Rubidium: you can't compare it like that 19:30:45 <Rubidium> as Hezbollah/Al Qaeda are the current cause of all the trouble and Israel and the US are trying to suppress it 19:31:05 <Rubidium> though this is of course (again) too much black and white 19:32:43 <RichK67> Rubidium: is this an accurate message for the commit log?? Bug where bankrupt company sub-bridge tile caused problem with subsidiary owner of bridge. 19:33:08 <glx> that's unclear for me 19:33:54 <Rubidium> that is not accurate, as it is not the subsidiary owner itself 19:35:10 <Rubidium> it's rather that it tries to query whether a non-existing owner is active 19:35:11 <RichK67> so is this a subsids bug? i dont quite see how 19:35:17 <RichK67> ah 19:35:34 <RichK67> so the subsid went bust 19:36:26 <Rubidium> no, as I just ran AIs for about 150 years (so no subsidiaries) 19:36:34 <Sacro> subsid goes bust, takes bridge with it 19:37:04 <Rubidium> but buggy code has been committed in rev 5174 (the inclusion of the subsidiaries patch) 19:37:17 <RichK67> ok... ill have a rephrase 19:37:51 <ems> incase anyone wants to view it... the new link is http://reddit.com/info/amto/comments the old one is inactive 19:39:05 <Sacro> hmm 19:39:06 <Rubidium> It's rather getting the player 'struct' of OWNER_NONE that does not work 19:39:53 <Wolf01> 'night 19:39:55 <RichK67> Resolves bug where subsidiaries patch checks for tile owner under a bridge for a company that has gone bankrupt. 19:39:55 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 19:40:23 <RichK67> ? 19:40:25 <Sacro> RichK67: sounds good 19:41:44 <CIA-3> richk * r5530 /branches/MiniIN/ (patches/MiniINpatches.zip tunnelbridge_cmd.c): 19:41:44 <CIA-3> [MiniIN]: [Subsidiaries]: Fix. Resolves bug where subsidiaries patch checks for tile owner under a bridge for a company that has gone bankrupt. 19:41:44 <CIA-3> Many thanks to Rubidium for spot and fix on this. 19:42:04 <Rubidium> hmm, too late :) 19:42:34 <RichK67> good enough for me... its not going to be missed, and i include your source patch in the patches.zip 19:47:07 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit ["The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him"] 19:47:22 <CIA-3> truelight * r5531 /branches/TGP/lang/icelandic.txt: [TGP] -Fix: r5514 was never synced to TGP. For leassons in 'svn merge', please donate 0 to my account ;) 19:48:11 <RichK67> lol - cool; another dev committing to TGP ... I approve :) 19:48:56 <RichK67> ah.... he's not even here tho... 19:50:04 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:56:02 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-169.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:56:27 <Rubidium> RichK67: still interested in past 2090? 19:57:35 <RichK67> maybe... I will need to sync with the TGP branch though - it has a date field on the gui now 19:58:38 <RichK67> then, you can do your date-magic; can you make sure it can still load existing MiniIN games, and trunk games, without asserting? 19:59:26 <Brianetta> RichK67: NPF does choices on one-way signals 20:00:00 <Rubidium> it should work properly, but I do not have a lot of games to test with :( 20:00:02 <RichK67> NTP doesnt though 20:00:26 <Brianetta> No 20:00:37 <Brianetta> and I have suspicions about YAPF 20:00:42 <RichK67> Rubidium: i can send you my version 35 test game 20:01:05 <Rubidium> I'll test it with that one 20:01:24 <RichK67> past 2090 will need a savegame bump to 36 you see 20:01:55 <Rubidium> I know 20:01:57 <RichK67> but it is one of my mandatory requirements; it must load existing MiniIN games 20:02:13 <RichK67> sorry... time for a good tv prog 20:02:16 <RichK67> cya 20:08:14 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-84.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:09:58 <CIA-3> truelight * r5532 /branches/TGP/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [TGP] -Sync: sync with trunk up to r5531 20:14:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20:17:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:25 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947E05.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gewitter"] 20:23:08 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 20:26:35 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 20:37:24 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 20:37:56 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:40:01 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2E8BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:54 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 20:43:13 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-84.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:44:34 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 20:50:05 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 20:50:05 <Sacro> !logs 20:51:07 <Sacro> i leave for half an hour and nothing happens :S 20:51:36 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 20:55:52 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:56:06 <RichK67> back 20:56:07 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2D3A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:56:08 *** dp is now known as dp-- 20:56:08 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B763D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:23 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B78897.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:57:32 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181104005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 21:02:24 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:02:50 <Rubidium> RichK67: do you have a URL for the version 35 test game? 21:03:03 <Belugas_Gone> bye guys 21:03:42 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:03:52 <RichK67> oh... sorry, yes.. .hang on 21:05:34 <RichK67> uploading.. its 2mb 21:06:37 <RichK67> http://ottd.rkhosting.co.uk/Pile Transport, 18th Feb 2090 svn35.sav 21:07:05 <glx> RichK67: replace spaces with %20 next time :) 21:07:10 <Sacro> has anyone got my "busy netowrk.sav" ? 21:07:21 <RichK67> i just cut/paste :) 21:07:43 <XeryusTC> ottd's loading times need to be changed 21:07:56 <hylje> upwards or downwards? 21:08:11 <XeryusTC> it should load all vehicles at the same time, not one by one 21:08:11 <RichK67> i know about %20... i guess someone else can use cut/paste back to their browser ;) 21:11:11 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 21:15:47 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:52 <Rubidium> RichK67: the savegame seems to have loaded just fine 21:17:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:18:52 <glx> XeryusTC: in stations? 21:19:04 <XeryusTC> glx: yes 21:19:18 <RichK67> good.. its a great one to spectate :) 21:19:19 <glx> there's a patch option for that I think 21:19:45 <XeryusTC> there is no such patch option in the nightlies 21:20:00 <XeryusTC> maybe in the MiniIN, but i dont use that 21:20:39 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37098.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:21:40 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37098.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:53 <XeryusTC> i think i can make a patch for it though 21:22:57 <glx> XeryusTC: "Use improved loading algorithm" in stations patches 21:23:28 <glx> when "on" it load trains one by one 21:23:33 <Rubidium> RichK67: and when I save it (in 2091) it loads fine too 21:23:36 <XeryusTC> glx: that doesn't shorten loading times, it makes 1 train being loaded at the time in stead of all at the same time 21:23:43 <XeryusTC> im talking about carriage loading times 21:24:22 <XeryusTC> they now seem to be added to each other, so a 10 cariage train would load 10x2 sec = 20 sec while IRL it would only take 2 sec because every cariage is loaded at the same time 21:24:24 <Rubidium> and it is fairly easy to convert tgp*.[ch] to past2090 21:24:47 <glx> XeryusTC: oh I see now :) 21:25:23 <XeryusTC> lets see if i can make my first ottd patch :) 21:26:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> [22:02:13] <RichK67> sorry... time for a good tv prog <- where do you find those? i would really like to know :) 21:30:21 *** ammler [n=marcel@191-148.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:33:25 *** Kejhic [n=Kejhic@224-26.connection.cz] has joined #openttd 21:34:43 *** Forexs- [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 21:35:17 <Kejhic> I just fall down Brianetta nightly server 21:35:24 <Kejhic> sorry 21:35:55 <Kejhic> i just destroyed bridge with train, and train fall into water 21:36:01 <Kejhic> and game crashed... 21:36:10 <hylje> :o 21:36:11 <Sacro> heh, he's gonna love that 21:36:14 <Kejhic> when i sent it to depot 21:36:24 <Sacro> he just gone to away on MSN 21:36:34 <hylje> you can destroy bridges in use? 21:36:35 <hylje> wow 21:36:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> i thought that bug was already fixed like 3 times? :) 21:36:56 <Kejhic> maybe it is a bug... 21:37:00 <Zavior> wow :D 21:37:36 <Kejhic> did screen shot, can post it somewhere... 21:38:08 <Brianetta> openttd: yapf/follow_track.hpp:46: bool CFollowTrackT<Ttr_type_, T90deg_turns_allowed_>::Follow(TileIndex, Trackdir) [with TransportTypes Ttr_type_ = TRANSPORT_RAIL, bool T90deg_turns_allowed_ = false]: Assertion `(GetTileTrackStatus(m_old_tile, TT()) & TrackdirToTrackdirBits(m_old_td)) != 0' failed. 21:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> that looks understandable, considering the bridge the train was driving on disappeared ;) 21:38:54 *** Oak [i=mika@oak.oaknet.biz] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:39:18 <Brianetta> Kejhic: Server's back up. Let's see if it crashes again 21:39:38 <Kejhic> hmm, can i try it again? 21:39:45 <Brianetta> yes 21:39:52 <Sacro> Kejhic: hehe, bugfinding :) 21:39:54 <Kejhic> great :-) 21:40:11 <hylje> i crashed the MiniIN+UKRS coop around three-five times 21:40:19 <hylje> in a linux-only assert 21:40:24 <Sacro> i know a few depot tricks that will crash it 21:40:44 <RichK67> Rubidium: great sounds good.... i still need to pull in TGP first tho (although it will only be 1 date) 21:41:27 <Brianetta> Ouch 21:41:30 <Brianetta> crashed again, same way 21:41:32 <Kejhic> done :-) 21:42:08 <RichK67> Eddi|zuHause2: [22:02:13] <RichK67> sorry... time for a good tv prog <- where do you find those? i would really like to know :) <-- BBC2: Horizon, on a meteor impact in Sahara that made glass used in Tutankamun's treasures 21:42:27 <Sacro> RichK67: ooh, sounds good, shoulda mentioned it 21:44:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... Tut Ench Amun (born as Tut Ench Aton) son of Echnaton, the "inventor" of monotheism, and probably the reason for all modern day religious trouble ;) 21:44:31 <Brianetta> Kejhic: What did you do when it went down? 21:45:01 <Kejhic> Brianetta: just sent train in water to depot 21:45:14 <Brianetta> Which company are you? 21:45:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> that sounds really rediculous ;) 21:45:37 <RichK67> for me, it was nothing greatly new... but ive done a fair bit of geology reading (my dad used to teach it) 21:45:58 <Kejhic> Brianetta: Zera_ 21:46:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm not much into geology 21:47:01 <Brianetta> Where's the train? 21:47:51 <Kejhic> Can i join again ? 21:48:01 <Brianetta> Yes 21:48:03 <Brianetta> Tell me which train 21:48:08 <Brianetta> I'#m trying to replicate off-line 21:48:52 <Kejhic> just delete bridge with train 21:49:07 <Kejhic> trail will fall into water 21:49:29 <Kejhic> *train 21:49:29 <Brianetta> You can delete a bridge with a train on it? 21:49:34 <Brianetta> No wonder YAPF has a fit 21:49:40 <Kejhic> yes.. 21:49:56 <Kejhic> maybe it work on electrified track only, maybe not 21:49:57 <hylje> will it fall or just presumably fall 21:50:01 <Brianetta> Which bridge is good to delete? 21:50:20 <Kejhic> near dondinghall woods 21:50:20 <Sacro> hmm, shall i apply for Senior Delphi Dev 21:51:57 <RichK67> Eddi|zuHause2: its more astronomy really... about meteor impacts, air bursts, tunguska event, etc 21:52:02 <Kejhic> http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/7872/zeratransport10thaug2038em9.png 21:52:36 <RichK67> ha!!! go swim wiv da fishies :) 21:52:38 <Brianetta> I'm trying to delete that one! 21:52:42 <Brianetta> I can't ): 21:53:04 <Kejhic> tried sent it to depot ? 21:53:14 <Brianetta> Send what? 21:53:24 <Brianetta> Aha 21:53:30 <Brianetta> You need to delete from behind 21:53:49 <Brianetta> Can't build bridge here... Ship in the way 21:53:52 <Brianetta> Interesting 21:54:11 <hylje> zomg 21:54:12 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:55:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> but really, i thought i had read "Fix: bridge can be removed with train on" or similar at least 3 times already 21:55:10 <Sacro> hmmm 21:55:22 <Sacro> :O ZOMG 21:55:34 <RichK67> removed with bridges patch?? 21:55:36 <Sacro> LITTLE SONNTON LAKESIDE 21:55:41 <Sacro> TRAIN OVERBOARD :| 21:55:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> RichK67: that thought came to my mind, yes ;) 21:56:01 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 21:56:40 <Kejhic> hmm, tried to reproduced in other single game, and it is not possible to delete bridge with train there 21:56:48 <Sacro> Kejhic: i just done it on the server 21:57:03 <Brianetta> You need to delete it fomr the correct end 21:57:15 <Sacro> i just did it from behind 21:57:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> arg... someone should invent un-trip-over-able cables 21:57:58 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:58:06 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176096034.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:58:20 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [") td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ ("] 21:58:49 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC5252.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:58:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> although wireless mouse and keyboard could solve 90% of my problems 21:59:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyone volunteering to donate me? ;) 21:59:16 <Sacro> Error: !Disconnecting train 21:59:16 <Sacro> openttd: openttd.c:83: error: Assertion `0' failed. 21:59:16 <Sacro> Aborted 21:59:27 <Kejhic> hmm, thats true, now i reproduce it. 22:01:29 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-84.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:02:41 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-84.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:02:53 <Brianetta> ppcis.org/nightly/splash.zip 22:03:04 <Brianetta> before and after saves and screenshots 22:03:12 <RichK67> well, ive looked back to r2780... and i cant find any "prevent bridge being deleted if train is on it".... 22:03:34 <Sacro> lol, you'd assume that people wouldnt try 22:03:37 <RichK67> anyway... time for more tv... tour de france highlights :) 22:03:45 <RichK67> bbl 22:04:17 <Kejhic> hmm, when build track near to "water" train, 2 wag are going out of water.. 22:04:43 <Brianetta> Can you please stop replicating this bug on my server? 22:05:04 <Brianetta> Or if you do, just leave the train in the water 22:05:24 <Sacro> Brianetta: sorry :) 22:05:25 <Kejhic> i am not on your server now 22:05:39 * Sacro goes to see if its in 0.4.7 22:07:11 <Sacro> hmm, Deathmatch server 22:07:37 <hylje> :D 22:09:13 <peter1138> should be fixed in the RC? 22:10:44 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:11:33 <Brianetta> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26321 22:11:50 <Brianetta> peter1138: This is a nightly 22:12:06 <peter1138> that was fixed once... 22:12:13 <Brianetta> Well, not completely 22:12:40 <peter1138> your report doesn't list the revision used, and it's not on bugs. ;P 22:13:16 <peter1138> hmm, RAID-6 22:13:23 <peter1138> expensive :( 22:13:26 <Kejhic> hmm, it depends on the type of bridge.. 22:13:36 <Brianetta> It does now 22:13:46 <Brianetta> and I don't do bugs 22:14:08 <Brianetta> If somebody else wants it on bigs, they can put it there 22:15:29 <Sacro> cant do it in 0.4.7 22:16:54 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E92F.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 22:17:11 <Brianetta> Well, it was probably introduced by Tron 22:17:19 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-213-131.pth-as6.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 22:17:24 <Brianetta> as he sloppily rolled back Celestar's commit 22:17:40 <Brianetta> At least, if his coding was as sloppy as his changelogging 22:18:47 <Sacro> hmm 22:18:55 <Brianetta> OK, autopilot now implements the max_companies setting from the [network] section of openttd.cfg 22:19:16 <Brianetta> and max_players, max_clients 22:19:40 <Brianetta> That'll please the coop lot 22:22:47 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D16D.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 22:23:57 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 22:30:20 *** Ihmemies_ is now known as Ihmemies 22:33:51 <Sacro> ho hum 22:37:01 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 22:39:44 *** Ammler [n=marcel@3-205.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 22:54:34 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 22:55:35 <Brianetta> [23:55] <autopilot> Company 5 (Blue): Sacro Transport 22:55:45 <Sacro> que? 22:55:53 <Brianetta> You seemed bored 22:56:12 <Brianetta> Why don't you learn Tcl? 22:56:14 <Sacro> yes...i was 22:56:24 <Brianetta> Then you can debug my code 22:56:47 <Zavior> But then you wont learn from your mistakes :o 22:56:55 <Sacro> hmm, im going to have to learn Java soon, and i really want to learn C# 22:57:05 <Brianetta> Zavior: The bugs would be deliberate, to relieve Sacro of his boredom 22:57:14 <Zavior> All lies 22:57:15 <Sacro> heh 22:57:29 <Brianetta> I bought a laptop from dabs.com about an hour ago 22:57:31 <Zavior> I've had a plan to learn java since I was 12 :D 22:57:33 <Brianetta> It still hasn't arrived 22:57:35 <Brianetta> It's not like pizza 22:57:41 <Zavior> I still havent gotten through basics. 22:57:52 <Brianetta> I have a Java book with an examples CD in the back cover 22:58:00 <Brianetta> I've had it for about 10 years 22:58:07 <Zavior> So do I, but not for 10 years :p 22:58:43 *** Ammler [n=marcel@3-205.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:59:11 <Sacro> Brianetta: i doubt many online companies have an hour delivary time 22:59:54 <Brianetta> Domino's does 23:00:02 <Brianetta> They should all aspire to it 23:00:19 <Matex> Dominos does 40 minutes 23:00:27 <Brianetta> By phone, yeah 23:00:34 <Matex> Online too ^^ 23:00:41 <Matex> Bought the other day from their website, came in 40 minutes 23:00:53 <Matex> well, 34 to be exact, but I rounded up 23:00:54 <Brianetta> http://www.dominos.co.uk/ 23:01:01 <Matex> http://www.dominos.com.au/ 23:01:01 <Matex> ;) 23:01:01 <Brianetta> THE most welcoming home page in history 23:01:21 <Matex> wow 23:01:27 <Matex> your website looks so much more ... plain 23:01:35 <Brianetta> Yes 23:01:39 <Matex> its dry, our Dominos one is interesting 23:01:40 <Brianetta> Loads in a tenth of the time 23:01:46 <Brianetta> only has one flash applet 23:01:58 <Matex> doesn't matter when you have broadband though 23:02:00 <Brianetta> The .au is just a noise of flashing gifs and flsah 23:02:06 * Brianetta has broadband 23:02:08 <Matex> a tenth of the time is like 0.001 instead of 0.01 23:02:16 <Brianetta> It took six seconds to load 23:02:17 <Matex> noticed 23:02:19 <Matex> six?! 23:02:21 <Brianetta> Yes. 23:02:37 <Matex> Dominos Pizza Australia New Zealand Ltd (DPANZ) has finalised its purchase of existing Dominos Pizza operations in France, Belgium and the Netherlands from Dominos Pizza Inc. on Monday, giving the Company its first foothold in Europe. 23:02:40 <Brianetta> Form seeing the title at the top, to being able to click something. 23:02:41 <Matex> we're taking over 23:02:43 <Matex> just you wait 23:02:50 <Matex> you'll have our glitzy website soon 23:02:58 <Brianetta> Oh god no 23:03:00 <Brianetta> it's awful 23:03:06 <Brianetta> There's only one web site 23:03:09 <Brianetta> thast is worse 23:03:15 <Brianetta> and it's my emplyers' one 23:03:21 <Brianetta> http://www.connexions-tw.co.uk/ 23:03:31 <Brianetta> Look at the size of the first page 23:03:43 <Brianetta> and be glad you're not on GPRS, paying by the byte 23:05:09 <Brianetta> it's like that because the guy in charge of the web site (one Mr. David Lightfoot of South Tyneside) doesn't know any better. 23:05:10 <Matex> thats terrible 23:05:19 <Sacro> 163K :| 23:05:25 <Matex> I don't know how our GPRS is charged over here, my employer pays for it 23:05:32 <Matex> that website is terrible 23:05:38 <Brianetta> 1p per 512 bytes on my tarrif 23:05:43 <Matex> http://www.canberraimaging.com.au <- who I work for, it's a big site too. 23:05:45 <Matex> flashy 23:06:02 <Brianetta> More flash? 23:06:04 <Brianetta> yuck 23:06:14 <Brianetta> Still, not nearly as bad as my employers' site 23:06:25 <Brianetta> Go on, I DARE you to click "graphical version" 23:06:26 <Sacro> Brianetta: firebug reports 258 problems 23:06:50 <Brianetta> Sacro: You say that as if I might not know 23:07:01 <Matex> that website doesn't even render properly Brianetta 23:07:05 <Matex> in FF 23:07:06 <Brianetta> My emplyers' web site is an embarrassment, because I am their IT technician 23:07:49 <Brianetta> I can't tell you how often I have to explain that I have no input and no control over it 23:07:50 <Sacro> Brianetta: and surely it cant be XHTML compliant with frames :| 23:07:59 <Brianetta> Sacro: It's XHTML 1.0 transitional 23:08:07 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-213-131.pth-as6.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:08:07 <Brianetta> which means it doesn't have to comply with anything 23:08:09 <Sacro> ahh, didnt know that was there 23:08:12 <Brianetta> It's a meaningless sticker 23:08:19 <Sacro> hehe, similar to HTML 4.01 trans 23:08:35 <Brianetta> Note that it doesn't go to a verification page 23:08:38 <Brianetta> but a definition page 23:08:45 <Brianetta> It failes verification on all but a couple of frames 23:09:11 <Brianetta> I might grass them up to the W3C 23:09:25 <Brianetta> Tell them that our site is abusing their logo 23:09:29 <Brianetta> misrepresenting them 23:09:54 <Matex> Sacro, how compliant is http://www.canberraimaging.com.au/ ? 23:10:17 <Sacro> firebug is happy 23:10:44 <Matex> yay 23:10:49 <Sacro> doesnt like your <embed>, its depreciated 23:11:00 <Matex> oh 23:11:24 <Brianetta> deprecated 23:11:33 <Brianetta> depreciated means it has fallen in value 23:12:02 <Matex> so do you live in London? 23:12:07 <Matex> I'm going to London next year for a holiday 23:12:34 <Sacro> should be style="margin: 0" in body, rather than your topmargin and leftmargin 23:12:37 <Matex> then in about 4 years, moving to England for a couple of years to steal IT jobs 23:12:53 <Sacro> and the rest is just missing ALT's in your IMG tags 23:13:00 <Matex> Sacro, I'd change it, but it may upset the balance of the universe 23:13:10 <Matex> eg, we didn't make the site, we got it done professionally 23:13:25 <Sacro> heh, "professionally" 23:13:44 <Matex> :< 23:13:49 <Matex> it's ... not professional? 23:16:16 <Matex> I don't care about websites though ^^ 23:16:21 <Matex> we're not an IT company 23:16:30 <Matex> and dont make websales either 23:16:47 <Brianetta> http://www.thecharnelhouse.com/ 23:16:50 <Brianetta> I did that site 23:16:57 <Sacro> well text only users might notice it 23:17:01 <Brianetta> It's one I'm not embarrassed by 23:17:13 <Sacro> ive just done www.bmtechull.co.uk 23:18:53 <Matex> http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.canberraimaging.com.au%2F 23:18:55 <Matex> it comes up OK 23:19:11 <Matex> come up quite well actually 23:19:26 <Matex> regardless - who on earth is still a text only user? 23:19:40 <Sacro> mmm, sexy goth girls 23:19:53 <Sacro> i use text sometimes 23:20:02 <Sacro> when im fed up with X 23:20:10 <gradator> Matex: RMS 23:20:28 <Matex> gradator, all 4 of you worldwide? 23:21:28 <RichK67> back 23:21:30 <Sacro> hmm, "the hologrammatic bloke, the one with the funny shaped head, that cat one"... i wonder what program that could be 23:21:31 <Matex> wb 23:21:39 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 23:21:48 <Matex> red dwarf 4? 23:22:03 <Sacro> Matex: close 23:22:07 <Matex> 5? 23:22:10 <Sacro> warmer 23:22:14 <Matex> 6? 23:22:15 <RichK67> 8 23:22:18 <Matex> :< 23:22:26 <Matex> the hologrammatic bloke is in 4 23:22:36 <Sacro> hes in all 23:22:40 <RichK67> they're in all 23:22:40 <Matex> yea 23:22:43 <RichK67> rimmer 23:22:47 <Matex> rimmer? 23:22:53 <Sacro> actually, he ISNT in the series im watching :S 23:22:57 <RichK67> smeeeeeeeeegheeeeeeeeed 23:23:03 <Sacro> stupid UKTV Gold 23:23:05 <Matex> smegheed? 23:23:10 <Matex> you british people are funny ^^ 23:23:13 <Sacro> its series 8 where rimmer is real 23:23:37 <RichK67> is that when the original computer comes back? 23:24:12 <RichK67> we had holly for about 5 seasons, but then they switched back to the grumpy bloke 23:25:03 <Sacro> errm, they find him resurrected by the nanobots at the end of 7 23:31:43 <RichK67> oh yeah... god that was sooooooooooooooo long ago 23:31:56 <Sacro> hehe 23:36:30 <Brianetta> holly had a sexy change to be more like hilly, his love from another dimension 23:36:54 <Brianetta> You have no idea how hard it is to pause at the start of the third series to get all that 23:37:00 <Brianetta> it scrolls rather quickly 23:37:12 <Sacro> yup 23:37:31 <Brianetta> Even frame-forward on a DVD has trouble 23:37:53 <Sacro> lol 23:38:28 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-84.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:39:16 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 23:41:40 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-245-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:42:18 <Sacro> back 23:46:12 <peter1138> they've all gone 23:46:35 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:46:42 <Sacro> theyre all dead dave? 23:46:51 <peter1138> fraid so 23:46:55 <peter1138> lol 23:46:58 <peter1138> c# port of ottd 23:47:42 <exe_> yeah 23:47:49 <Sacro> nice idea 23:48:31 <exe_> its 15% done counting source files size.. 23:48:39 <peter1138> oh, hello :) 23:48:48 <peter1138> i'm not an anti-c# person, btw ;) 23:49:30 <peter1138> are you rewriting from scratch using classes or shoehorning c into c#? 23:49:51 <peter1138> and also, is 3 redbulls in one night too much? 23:50:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> depends on what you are trying to achieve :) 23:50:38 <peter1138> i'm trying to stay awake 23:50:44 <exe_> i'm moving one function at time starting at main() and trying to pack it into some classes 23:51:04 <exe_> it already shows some main menu! 23:52:12 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176096034.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 23:52:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> things like the gui code you can probably just throw away, and rewrite from scratch 23:52:26 <Sacro> would be nice 23:52:31 <anboni> so what's the point of a c# port? wouldn't your efforts be much (-much-) better spent implementing those new ideas in the existing code, possibly changing some of that to proper C++.. two birds, one stone, and you maintain portability 23:52:40 <Sacro> its C# compilable on other platforms? 23:52:55 <peter1138> yes 23:53:05 <anboni> there's an open-source C# clone in the works (mono) but as far as i know it isn't finished yet 23:53:31 <anboni> apart from that, it remains to be seen whether mono will ever work on the more exotic platforms where ottd runs on now 23:53:41 <peter1138> indeed 23:53:46 <peter1138> os/2 hah 23:53:54 <peter1138> even dos, if you really push it 23:54:02 <RichK67> peter: what on earth have they got you doing... you are always at work these days? (or rather nights) 23:54:15 <anboni> that on did cross my mind while i was typing that :) macosx would probably at some point be able to use mono 23:54:27 <peter1138> days, yeah 23:54:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> the actual point of C# would be, that the code can be much cleaner than the mess it is now 23:55:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> but maybe i am too naive :) 23:55:29 <anboni> i'm pretty sure that same objective could also be reached by porting it to (a much more portable) C++ :) 23:55:52 <Sacro> thats what KUDr did i think 23:56:07 <peter1138> not really 23:56:16 <anboni> not really, but he did code his yapf stuff in C++ 23:56:17 <peter1138> converting c to c++ isn't really c++, heh 23:56:43 <RichK67> "cleaner than the mess it is now"... i mean, ok, its hard to follow at times; thats because its big, not necessarily messy... ok its messy in places too 23:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> in C++, you have too many possibilites to do ugly hacks :) 23:57:14 <anboni> i suppose properly converting to c++ would involve quite an intensive redesign to do properly, but that would go for porting to any OO language (which i assume C# is as well) 23:57:26 <exe_> it needs a lot of deoptimizations 23:57:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> in C#, you just do not need to do such hacks (at times) 23:57:36 <Sacro> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26310 WTF is table breaking... 23:58:09 <anboni> Eddi|zuHause2: it's completely up to the coder whether or not to use those hacks... and to be very honest, i'd rather have the possibility to use those hacks than have microsoft decide for me that i cannot have those hacks at all :) 23:58:40 <peter1138> exe_, heh, and the main game loop... in the video driver ;( 23:58:43 *** blathijs [n=matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 23:59:03 <peter1138> +s 23:59:12 <peter1138> ... what're you using the video output? 23:59:15 <exe_> yes 23:59:25 <exe_> currently hge game engine 23:59:35 <peter1138> hmm 23:59:49 <exe_> i think about throwing away single screen buffer