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00:00:58 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2DEDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:07:01 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCEE964.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:08:31 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 00:09:24 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 00:15:14 <CIA-5> richk * r5667 /branches/MiniIN/ (87 files in 3 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r5468:5665 00:16:41 <RichK67> gn 00:16:44 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 00:21:02 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 00:27:25 *** Dred_furst` [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 00:32:08 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2F4E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:06 *** OwenS [n=OwenS@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd ["Kopete 0.11.3 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 00:36:54 *** Tobin 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there any penalty for going right past one refinery to a more distant one?? 01:10:31 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc38.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 01:11:22 <sayno> no 01:11:29 <sayno> actually, its a good idea if you can afford it 01:11:46 <sayno> youll make a lot more money in the long run 01:13:21 <Matex> you have to remember though, its diminishing values 01:13:27 <k-man_> yeah 01:13:30 <Matex> if you just go trans continential, you'll make crap all 01:13:31 <k-man_> thats true 01:13:39 <Matex> even if you used a maglev or something 01:13:47 <k-man_> so how far is the optimum distance? 01:13:50 <Matex> just because at a certain amount of time 01:13:55 <Matex> look at the cargo payrates 01:14:01 <Matex> theyre based on 20 squares traveled 01:14:04 <Matex> it changes per game 01:14:56 <sayno> id say a good distance is 150-200 squares 01:15:22 <sayno> the last coop game I played in we had deliveries going near 1000 sq, and they only made about double what a 300-400 sq one would 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quit [] 07:29:33 <mikk36> where, if u're lucky u see one person say one line in a week :D 07:29:58 <Matex> haha 07:30:17 <Matex> This room is cyclic, it gets noisy for about 1/2 hour then it dies again. 07:30:23 <Matex> But someone is always watching, like yourself :) 07:31:02 <Matex> anyway home time, ttyl. 07:31:12 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 07:39:36 *** egladil_ [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 07:41:18 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 07:43:17 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 07:46:35 *** egladil_ibook [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:01:27 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 08:03:10 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:06:33 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 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[i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:08:24 *** Zbeynex [n=Sean@host81-151-254-195.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:12:14 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC501D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:14:45 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:14:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 09:14:52 <Darkvater> morning 09:16:59 <peter1138> mornorizing 09:17:11 <Darkvater> bzzt 09:23:04 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 09:24:28 *** Cxaxukluth [n=Sean@host81-151-254-195.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:27:46 <Darkvater> I need your input (anyone active) 09:28:05 <Darkvater> I've thought about the file paths and searches for data files 09:28:28 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.openttd.org/makefile_install2.txt < all here if you forgot 09:29:02 <Darkvater> the question is, should there be only 2 paths a global and a personal one and obligatory subdirectories beneath them for data/gm/scenario (global) etc 09:29:31 <Darkvater> or should it be possible to specify each one seperatly by a user 09:29:32 <Darkvater> eg 09:29:41 <Darkvater> language files /usr/blop/lang 09:29:46 <Darkvater> gm files /whatever/music 09:29:50 <Darkvater> or 09:29:59 <Darkvater> global path /usr/grd 09:30:05 <Darkvater> language /usr/grd/lang 09:30:10 <Darkvater> gm files /usr/grd/music 09:30:11 <Darkvater> ? 09:30:56 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B844D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:31:10 <Darkvater> hi tokai|ni. Good to see you fixed the morphos probs 09:31:46 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80C2A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:32:00 <Darkvater> fine, quit then 09:32:00 <Darkvater> jerk 09:35:17 <Celestar> lol 09:37:09 *** Xaroth [n=shaman@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 09:42:17 <vondel> Darkvater: see the difference between tokai|ni joining and tokai quiting ? 09:42:46 <Darkvater> vondel: it's the act that counts, not the precise circumstance :) 09:43:04 <Darkvater> but I missed that ;p 09:43:22 <vondel> it was quite funny, true 09:45:25 <Darkvater> so but people, thoughts/comments about my question? 09:55:12 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:55:14 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:02 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:58:20 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:00:33 *** MrRexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-2849.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:01:32 *** hanso [n=8687kais@p50824AD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openTTD 10:01:42 <hanso> huhu ! 10:02:01 <hanso> ein deutscher der sich bissel mit openTTD auskennt anwesend ? 10:03:03 <hanso> could somebody help me pls ? 10:03:08 <Darkvater> yes 10:03:21 <hanso> ive got a question about the openttd dedicated server option 10:03:38 <hanso> i want to start my own internet openttd server 10:03:49 <hanso> but its only visible in lan 10:03:55 <hanso> not in the internet 10:03:58 <Darkvater> router? 10:04:02 <hanso> yep 10:04:20 <Darkvater> have you forwarded the appropiate port? 10:04:40 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 10:04:44 <hanso> connect_to_ip = 81.171.98.111:3979 10:04:54 <Darkvater> no the port in your router 10:05:21 <Darkvater> you need to forward port 3979 TCP _AND_ UDP to the server 10:05:51 <hanso> i dont know how i can do that :D 10:06:03 <Darkvater> you need to do that in your router 10:06:09 <Darkvater> usually it's called 'port forwarding' 10:06:24 <Darkvater> please read its help or manual, cannot help you with that, every router is different 10:07:11 <hanso> hm ok 10:07:20 <hanso> i am thinking about another method 10:07:28 <Darkvater> brb, some food 10:07:36 <hanso> i'll connect directly through a modem 10:07:44 <hanso> should work fine then 10:07:51 <hanso> brb 10:07:59 *** hanso [n=8687kais@p50824AD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["get satisfied! :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::"] 10:10:56 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:11:15 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-2849.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:16:29 *** hanso [i=kaiser@p50824E03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:36 <hanso> Darkvater ? 10:20:30 *** Sacro [n=ben@212.50.172.86] has joined #openttd 10:24:04 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181080233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:24:07 *** mg [n=mrg@mc101-020.multicon.pl] has joined #openttd 10:24:39 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-197-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 10:25:25 <mg> Hi. Does it has any importance when railway station reaches source partly? 10:25:50 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:25:51 <mg> When railway station does not cover in 100% source building 10:26:43 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:26:54 <Sacro> mg: nope 10:27:58 <mg> thx 10:30:38 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit ["In the end, all that matters is your relation with God..."] 10:31:24 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 10:31:41 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B80AB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:34:00 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3F151.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:34:55 <roboman> choochoo is funny 10:35:30 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B753F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:18 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCEE964.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 10:41:40 <tokai|3> Darkvater: jerk.. wtf.? :) 10:44:26 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B844D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:45:04 <Darkvater> hanso: yes? 10:46:48 <tokai|3> is there a timeline for the 0.4.8 final? or is it smart to finally make a morphos build of the release candidate? i thougt its possible to avoid this ;) 10:47:02 <Darkvater> RC2 is very very soon 10:47:06 <Darkvater> probably tonight 10:47:17 <Darkvater> then we'll see if there are more bugs and next week final 10:47:24 <Darkvater> if all goes well of course 10:47:28 <tokai|3> sounds good. 10:47:54 <tokai|3> i'll wait for the rc2 then.. will be around tonight then 10:48:25 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F812.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:48:31 <Darkvater> kk 10:55:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77E85.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:59:48 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:00:49 *** Zbeynex [n=Sean@host81-151-254-195.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 11:02:52 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:02:52 *** mg [n=mrg@mc101-020.multicon.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:26:25 *** hanso [i=kaiser@p50824E03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["get satisfied! :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::"] 11:29:20 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 11:29:24 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5668 /branches/0.4/aircraft_cmd.c: 11:29:24 <CIA-5> - Backport from trunk (r5454): 11:29:24 <CIA-5> Helicopters stopping in depot after autorenew/autoreplace 11:32:41 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 11:33:01 <Born_Acorn> This doesn't happen with the normal vehicles, but with grf vehicles, anything that breaks down and goes slower than 80mph gets stuck at airports. 11:34:13 <Born_Acorn> It hasn't happened with the planes I'm using, but the airship(like a helicopter) does. 11:37:15 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181080233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 11:38:34 <Darkvater> probably newgrf problems 11:39:03 *** dst_ [n=dennis@ncs.stosberg.net] has joined #openttd 11:39:33 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #openttd 11:41:42 <peter1138> cop-out cause ahoy 11:41:49 <Born_Acorn> It's an age old engine bug! 11:42:02 <peter1138> try with a standard aircraft slower than 80mph... 11:42:35 <Born_Acorn> There's a standard aircraft slower than 80mph? 11:42:59 <peter1138> i.e. changing the speed in the vehicle table, rather than using a newgrf 11:43:11 <peter1138> mr corn_baron 11:43:28 <Born_Acorn> Changing the who in the what now? 11:43:56 <Darkvater> 13:40 <@peter1138> cop-out cause ahoy < ?? 11:44:58 <Born_Acorn> indeed? 11:47:26 <peter1138> "if in doubt, blame newgrf" 11:47:37 <RichK67_wrk> correct ;) 11:48:22 <Darkvater> :) 11:48:30 <Darkvater> don't we always? 11:48:47 <Born_Acorn> It happens with anything that goes slower than 80mph, not jsut newgrf. 11:49:13 <peter1138> best fix ever: if (max_speed < 80) max_speed = 80; 11:50:36 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5669 /branches/0.4/ (music.h music_gui.c settings.c sound.h strings.c): 11:50:36 <CIA-5> - Backport from trunk (r5464, r3641): 11:50:36 <CIA-5> Codechange: verify the presence of music files in the gm folder. Slightly altered r5464 11:50:36 <CIA-5> to exclude the addition of music.c and left out the extra functionality. While in essence 11:50:37 <CIA-5> this is not a true fix, several people have reported a rising CPU usage because Dmusic 11:50:39 <CIA-5> kept indefinitely looping the file list. This should solve that. 11:52:57 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5670 /trunk/ (music.c music.h): - The keyword is $Id$ not $Id :) 11:54:37 <Born_Acorn> which file is the vehicle table? 11:58:41 *** TrueLight [n=trueligh@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:58:56 <TrueLight> General notice: OpenTTD Web + SVN are currently undergoing a software upgrade 11:59:06 <TrueLight> expect some (although little) downtime of those services 11:59:19 <TrueLight> Should be done in about 20 minutes max 11:59:54 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, where is the vehicle table? I have all the files, but which one? 12:04:13 <Born_Acorn> I glanced through vehicle.c and vehicle.h, but I didn't see anything that would resemble it, but then again it all looks like gobbledygook to me. :p 12:06:03 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181080233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:06:17 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 12:06:24 <peter1138> table/engines.h 12:06:30 <Born_Acorn> ah 12:08:17 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5671 /branches/0.4/ (21 files in 3 dirs): 12:08:17 <CIA-5> - Backport from trunk (r5504, r5512): 12:08:17 <CIA-5> Added Italian town name generator. While not a fix, it is added along the same lines 12:08:17 <CIA-5> as the turkish town names. Official translation > official townnames (if existing). 12:10:23 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5672 /branches/0.4/industry_gui.c: 12:10:23 <CIA-5> - Backport from trunk (r5652): 12:10:23 <CIA-5> Industry production change button doesn't work for oilrig passangers. 12:11:18 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5673 /branches/0.4/network_gui.c: 12:11:18 <CIA-5> - Backport from trunk (r5655): 12:11:18 <CIA-5> Reversed arrow-sign in the multiplayer list column headers on sort by name 12:11:39 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 12:12:19 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5674 /branches/0.4/train_cmd.c: 12:12:19 <CIA-5> - Backport from trunk (r5664): 12:12:19 <CIA-5> Certain combinations of trains crash when moved around inside the depot. 12:13:47 *** Sacro [n=ben@212.50.172.86] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:17:18 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181080233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 12:17:52 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:18:16 *** Sacro [n=ben@212.50.172.86] has joined #openttd 12:18:52 <Born_Acorn> Sure enough, the helicopter gets stucl. 12:18:55 <Born_Acorn> *stuck. 12:19:44 <Born_Acorn> Planes don't leave hangars either. 12:20:06 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:20:25 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5675 /branches/TGP/ (TODO.TGP genworld_gui.c lang/english.txt): 12:20:25 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Change: snow line height now uses up/down widgets like the ones used for starting date 12:20:25 <CIA-5> -Change: clicking on starting date or snow line height shows an editbox 12:20:39 <Darkvater> Born_Acorn: debug! 12:21:48 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:21:51 *** smeding_ [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:22:00 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:22:33 *** smeding_ is now known as smeding 12:22:50 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:24:46 <TrueLight> Okay, SVN and www.openttd.org down for reboot 12:24:50 <TrueLight> let's hope they come back okay ;) 12:24:56 * Darkvater crosses fingers 12:25:23 <Born_Acorn> There is no mention in the debug log of the planes sticking on the runway 12:25:58 <TrueLight> All service back online 12:26:02 <Darkvater> fast reboot :D 12:26:03 <TrueLight> I hope ;) If not, report directly to me. Tnx :) 12:26:04 <TrueLight> and bye! 12:26:10 *** TrueLight [n=trueligh@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 12:27:05 <Born_Acorn> A way around it would to just stop planes going under 80mph full stop? 12:27:37 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181080233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:28:11 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:28:41 <Born_Acorn> The helicopter takes off, but stops and won't move off once it reaches it's highest height. 12:34:58 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 12:37:36 <RichK67_wrk> which sort of airport? 12:38:57 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181080233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [] 12:41:16 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35FCE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:18 <Sacro> i miss FS2004 :( 12:43:26 <Born_Acorn> All of them. 12:43:33 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:45 <Born_Acorn> It's the vehicles, not the airports. Anything slower than 80mph gets stuck. 12:46:12 <RichK67_wrk> odd - ive tried planest1.5.2 in miniin with airships - and were fine 12:46:17 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 12:53:14 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:53:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 12:53:27 <scia> O_o tropic refurbishment sets electric engines are not recognised as such :o 12:55:14 <Born_Acorn> RichK67_wrk, this would be a new airplane grf set by Pikkabird. 12:55:55 <Born_Acorn> called "Av8" 12:56:14 *** Osai is now known as Osai^lunched 12:56:51 <Born_Acorn> It's bloomin amazing. 12:57:18 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: URL? 12:57:39 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 12:57:56 <Born_Acorn> It's on Pikkabird's livejounal for now, as it's in development. 12:58:35 <Born_Acorn> So I'm unsure whether linking to it would be cool, but Pikkabird's livejournal should be easy to find. 12:59:24 <Born_Acorn> It's featured on Planet TT-Forums. http://planet.tt-forums.net/ 13:06:15 <Born_Acorn> Pay attention to the sprites when planes land and take off. 13:08:45 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:09:59 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:10:05 <peter1138> yeah, they slant :) 13:12:59 <RichK67_wrk> cool 13:13:16 <Sacro> hmm, some guy on skype wants me to send him money 13:14:29 <peter1138> i want you to send me money 13:14:48 <SpComb> Sacro: his reason? 13:15:06 <peter1138> if you all team together and pay me £2000 (before taxes) a month, i'll do openttd fulltime 13:15:34 <RichK67_wrk> i thought you did anyway ;) 13:15:41 <RichK67_wrk> for free ;) 13:15:41 <Born_Acorn> newsounds for the Av8! 13:15:54 <Born_Acorn> and to a lesser extent UKRS. 13:16:57 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: if you pay me £2000... 13:17:14 <Born_Acorn> I'll pay you £0002 13:17:16 <peter1138> RichK67_wrk: have you noticed a lack of progress from me recently? heh 13:17:27 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: not enough to make me resign :) 13:18:02 <Born_Acorn> :o 13:18:04 <SpComb> if I pay you £2000, would you come and work on TTD Patch fulltime? :P 13:18:04 *** dst_ [n=dennis@ncs.stosberg.net] has quit ["leaving"] 13:18:19 <peter1138> yes, but i'd have to learn on the job 13:18:31 <RichK67_wrk> welll... ok you have been doing the odd bit of overtime ;) :) possibly ;) 13:18:47 <Born_Acorn> TTDPatch has no newgrf to port over! :p 13:19:05 <Born_Acorn> It always has all the newgrf! 13:19:47 *** Zavior [i=Zavior@dyn3-143.adsl.mpynet.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 13:26:37 *** dst_ [n=dennis@ncs.stosberg.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:20 *** ammler [n=marcel@211-36.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 13:30:41 <peter1138> SpComb: that's monthly, by the way 13:31:29 <Darkvater> I say, you're doing nicely peter1138 ^^ 13:31:46 <luckzeh> mhh, how many million times per second do you have to service your trains to prevent them from breaking down? 13:32:01 <Darkvater> 2, possibly 3 13:33:42 *** Osai^lunched is now known as Osai 13:34:52 <peter1138> doing nicely? 13:34:54 <RichK67_wrk> luckzeh: it depends how much beyond date they are; even when serviced yesterday, a really old train may only have < 20% reliability 13:36:27 <RichK67_wrk> usually a design is only good for about 30 years... and then even brand new its reliability is poor 13:36:33 <luckzeh> well, every train I build breaks down in the middle of the track somewhere. no matter whether it's old or new. I tell them to service before or after every stop. do I need to force them through a few depots on the way as well? I mean, a train should be able to work for two to three minutes by itself without having constant babysitting. 13:37:01 <luckzeh> my current train design is 2 years old 13:37:17 <luckzeh> (from 1963, it is 1965) 13:37:25 <RichK67_wrk> ok... its reliability should be pretty good ... 70%+ 13:37:30 <Darkvater> what is its reliability? 13:37:36 <Darkvater> 70%+ sucks though :) 13:37:49 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn13-124.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:37:56 <Darkvater> I always play with reduced breakdowns. it's just not realistic how often they break down 13:38:11 <RichK67_wrk> best thing is to set up a mandatory depot... one that the train must go through to reach its destination 13:39:09 <luckzeh> breakdowns are already set to reduced :z 13:39:27 <RichK67_wrk> DV: yeah... when playing with breakdowns, i try to always have my rolling stock at 85%+ ... below that it is too flaky 13:39:39 <Darkvater> we should improve the breakdown logic 13:40:05 <Darkvater> btw, anyone has an idea about r5580? Eg in what circumstances this problem could occur? 13:40:13 <luckzeh> and is there any way around the issue that only one train can be on a bridge at one time (with signals)? 13:40:14 <RichK67_wrk> all i think it needs is after 3 breakdowns it does a mandatory depot stop 13:40:18 <Darkvater> very frustrating they are, the commit logs by tron :S 13:40:34 <luckzeh> should I raise land in the middle of the water to break the bridge in two? :p 13:40:47 <Darkvater> many people do that 13:41:09 <RichK67_wrk> if you have millions, why not :) good place to put a signal 13:41:51 <luckzeh> I'm mainly bothered by my trains spending half of their life just sitting around, possibly also breaking down while sitting around and then blocking even more 13:42:06 <Bjarni> luckzeh: if the bridge is really long, it might be cheaper because the costs of bridges is not a multiple of length. Two 5 tile bridges are cheaper than one 10 tile bridge 13:42:18 <glx> Darkvater: before r5580, you could remove a bridge with a train on it and crash the game by sending the train to depot using yapf IIRC 13:42:33 <Bjarni> also the option of adding a signal tells you to do so if the bridge is long 13:42:49 *** J_Darnley [n=chatzill@d54C17D26.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:43:00 <Darkvater> glx: yes but what kind of bridge? 13:43:09 <Bjarni> railroad bridge, I presume 13:43:12 <Darkvater> gaah 13:43:16 <glx> over water 13:43:17 <Darkvater> any sloped foundation? 13:43:24 <Darkvater> water non-water? level up or down? 13:44:00 <luckzeh> I dont understand your last statement there, Bjarni. the game tells me to split up my bridge or offers to place a singal for me somewhere or..? 13:44:01 <glx> Sacro: how did you kill briannetta nightly removing bridge ? 13:44:06 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has quit [] 13:44:53 <Darkvater> glx: good, that doesn't happen in 0.4.8RC1 13:45:07 <Darkvater> I just hate it when tron doesn't clearly describe what the problem is 13:45:11 <Darkvater> absolutely hate it 13:49:05 <Bjarni> luckzeh: no, you have to do it manually before you build the bridge. Make an island in the middle, that's big enough to place signals on (remember building on slopes) and then build two bridges and place a signal 13:49:31 <Bjarni> you can also do this to turn a bridge if you want to say go around a town or similar 13:53:15 <luckzeh> I also can't persuade other trains to take a way around broken down trains, can I? 13:54:08 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B3675B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:42 <Bjarni> luckzeh: you can, but that's an advanced topic 13:55:27 <Bjarni> you need two tracks, that's roughly equally good for the trains to use and some clever signal placement 13:55:41 <luckzeh> I have that, I just dont have clever signal placement 13:55:41 <Bjarni> and you need to use the right signal types as well 13:56:08 <luckzeh> they love all taking the same track and creating a huge queue, most of the times with breakdowns inbetween 13:57:09 <Bjarni> sounds like a real life railroad 13:57:10 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn13-124.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:57:30 <luckzeh> heh 13:58:58 * peter1138 hungers 14:05:48 *** J_Darnley [n=chatzill@d54C17D26.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 14:11:19 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:11:52 <luckzeh> how does changing options in midgame work, and how is that affected by being in MP mode? 14:11:53 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35FCE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:17:08 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 14:19:12 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:20:15 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 14:23:27 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit ["On snow, everyone can follow your traces"] 14:30:11 <luckzeh> are there hotkeys to zoom, btw? 14:30:53 <glx> F6 F7 or something like that 14:34:13 <peter1138> or mousewheel 14:35:10 <SpComb> breakdowns ftl 14:35:14 <SpComb> flies ftl 14:35:21 <SpComb> flies in my nutella D: 14:47:24 *** _mIGu [i=mig21@static.int.pl] has joined #openttd 14:47:37 <luckzeh> so my train first decided to take the way towards the uncluttered areas, driving by the service station without using it - and then, at the very last chance, took the lane towards the biggest railroad jam in world history 14:48:07 <Darkvater> he, my laptop's gone mad 14:48:17 <Darkvater> whenever I open a gmae in openttd it starts scrolling down 14:48:20 <Darkvater> ... 14:50:33 <SpComb> SDL broken again? 14:51:13 <Darkvater> it's windows 14:51:19 <Darkvater> and it does it in any version :O 14:52:18 <SpComb> remove the code for scrolling the window down, problem solved 14:53:44 *** _mIGu is now known as mIGu^gen2 14:57:01 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:57:27 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:58:53 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:52 *** mIGu [i=mig21@static.int.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:11:03 <Zr40> Darkvater: tried rebooting? 15:11:25 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B80AB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd ["icebears... take care of them!"] 15:12:09 <Darkvater> Zr40: no, but seems to have passed by now 15:12:10 <Darkvater> weird 15:12:29 <Zr40> perhaps it's a phantom key press 15:12:37 <Zr40> solves itself when you press the key again 15:13:01 <Darkvater> tried any button :) 15:14:10 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 15:16:44 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:21:04 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 15:22:17 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:23:44 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 15:32:17 <Bjarni> !toggle Tobin 15:32:33 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F151.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:32:55 <Bjarni> hey, I wrote Tobin, not Tron 15:33:13 <Bjarni> however I quickly scanned T and o and thought "cool. Great timing" :P 15:34:47 <peter1138> what are you talking about? 15:35:13 <Bjarni> [17:14] <-- Tobin has quit () 15:35:13 <Bjarni> [17:16] --> Tobin (n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #openttd 15:35:13 <Bjarni> [17:21] <-- Tobin has quit (Client Quit) 15:35:13 <Bjarni> [17:22] --> Tobin (n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #openttd 15:35:13 <Bjarni> [17:23] <-- Tobin has quit (Client Quit) 15:35:15 <Bjarni> [17:32] <Bjarni> !toggle Tobin 15:35:17 <Bjarni> [17:32] --> Tron (n=tron@p54A3F151.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #openttd 15:35:24 <peter1138> bjarni 15:35:30 <peter1138> there was no need to paste that 15:35:32 <Bjarni> peter1138 15:35:40 <peter1138> spammy git :P 15:36:08 <Bjarni> well, you asked what I was talking about and then I pasted what I was talking about... how can that be wrong? 15:36:33 <peter1138> well, i can see all those joins and parts anyway 15:37:49 <Tron> mr. nelson, have you thought about IsElectrifiable()? 15:37:50 <CIA-5> richk * r5676 /branches/MiniIN/settings_gui.c: 15:37:50 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: Fix. Width of settings gui increased unnecessarily by Physics patch. 15:37:50 <CIA-5> TODO: revisit whole width issue later. 15:38:01 <peter1138> not much, i've been thinking about work-stuff :( 15:42:10 <CIA-5> richk * r5677 /branches/MiniIN/ (music.c music.h): 15:42:10 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk, r5565:5570. 15:42:10 <CIA-5> Synced to ensure music.c and music.h corrected for missing Id settings. 15:42:47 <RichK67_wrk> damn... wrong numbers... 5665:5670 15:44:56 <Darkvater> so, any more things we left out of RC2? 15:45:09 <RichK67_wrk> working secondary industries? 15:45:26 <Darkvater> truelight fixed that 15:45:37 <RichK67_wrk> ok.. good :) 15:45:51 <Darkvater> r5498 15:46:57 <Darkvater> once? 15:47:01 <Darkvater> twice 15:47:11 <Darkvater> thrice 15:47:19 <Darkvater> I see 15:49:14 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5678 /branches/0.4/ (5 files in 3 dirs): - Prepare 0.4 branch for release. Update readme's, bugs, installers, changelog, etc. to 0.4.8-RC2 15:51:20 <Darkvater> ugh, checking out the root rep sure does take time 15:52:52 <Bjarni> specially if you use a modem 15:53:05 <Bjarni> but I presume that you use something faster than that ;) 15:53:11 <Bjarni> maybe an ADSL modem 15:53:12 <Darkvater> cable-modem 15:53:20 <peter1138> it's quite large 15:54:20 <Darkvater> it is 15:54:25 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 15:54:57 <Darkvater> hmm perhaps I can ask this to tron 15:54:59 <Darkvater> Tron: ping 15:56:35 * Bjarni tries to compile the 0.4 branch 15:56:41 <Bjarni> just in case ;) 15:56:43 <Darkvater> he, good idea :) 15:57:26 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: don't forget: we are distributing OpenTTD through bittorrent also, so make sure TrueLight has the binaries as soon as possible 16:00:50 *** ammler [n=marcel@211-36.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:01:02 <Darkvater> compiles here 16:01:07 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: yep, thanks 16:01:28 <Bjarni> now it compiles here too 16:01:42 <Bjarni> first try ended up wrong due to a typo 16:01:51 <Bjarni> the source is ok 16:03:47 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5679 /tags/0.4.8-RC2/ (. Makefile network.c openttd.dsp openttd.vcproj): Release 0.4.8-RC2 16:04:16 <Darkvater> yaay, it worked :D 16:05:00 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o MiHaMiX] by ChanServ 16:05:10 *** MiHaMiX changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.4.8-RC2 | WebTranslator2 public beta test begun! | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Bug-reports: bugs) 16:05:36 <Bjarni> now this is a funny error 16:05:38 <Bjarni> /usr/bin/ld: warning can't open dynamic library: /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.2.8.sdk/usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib referenced from: /usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-apple-darwin8/4.0.1/../../../libz.dylib (checking for undefined symbols may be affected) (No such file or directory, errno = 2) 16:05:44 <Bjarni> it appears to work anyway o_O 16:07:07 <Darkvater> sounds nice 16:07:33 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I see you changed the topic. Did you tag RC2? 16:07:49 <Darkvater> oh? 16:07:53 <Darkvater> 18:03 -!- MiHaMiX changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.4.8-RC2 16:07:58 <Darkvater> 18:02 < CIA-5> Darkvater * r5679 /tags/0.4.8-RC2/ (. Makefile network.c openttd.dsp openttd.vcproj): Release 0.4.8-RC2 16:07:58 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: I changed the topic :) 16:08:06 * Bjarni reads back 16:08:07 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: and Darkvater tagged 0.4.8-rc2 :) 16:08:09 <Bjarni> so you did 16:10:02 <Darkvater> I have no idea about the torrent files how and what so I'll ask that to TL 16:10:43 <Bjarni> bah, once again I forgot the scenarios :( 16:11:39 <Darkvater> touche 16:11:54 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:12:14 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: well, if you put the binaries and the source online that should be enough for TL 16:12:22 <Darkvater> kk 16:14:29 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54944949.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:15:53 <CIA-5> truelight * r5680 /branches/TGP/ (20 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) 16:15:53 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Add: progress window while land generation. 16:15:53 <CIA-5> No longer your screen 'hangs' and does nothing for X minutes. 16:15:53 <CIA-5> You now see a nice % progress and what it is currently doing. 16:15:53 <CIA-5> Now the time of generation doesn't feel that long ;) (while that is unchanged) 16:15:53 <CIA-5> Also done for dedicated server and Scenario Editor. 16:15:57 <CIA-5> Many tnx to Rubidium for his additions to my patch and all his comments. 16:16:11 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:23:29 <Bjarni> wb Darkvater 16:23:35 <Darkvater> hiya :D 16:23:37 <MiHaMiX> :D 16:24:40 <Darkvater> I must say those galician translators are damn lazy :s 16:24:56 <Bjarni> -s 16:25:01 <Bjarni> that's the problem 16:25:06 <Bjarni> it's only one person 16:25:12 <Bjarni> well, part of the problem 16:25:21 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: oh, which reminds me. Can I/we have a feature in wt2 that shows what strings are fixed/changed and scheduled for commitment/ 16:25:38 <Bjarni> that's a wt2 topic 16:25:45 * Darkvater slaps Bjarni 16:25:49 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: there is only 1 translator for galician, and he's away right now afaik (on holiday) 16:26:13 <Bjarni> Darkvater: you are funny. You go to the translator channel and talk about OTTD file releases, then you go here and starts to talk about the translator 16:26:20 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: as language manager for a given language one can already check this 16:26:23 <RichK67_wrk> mihamix: is it possible for there to be a MiniIN version of wt2 for the MiniIN-specific strings? Ive had quite a few requests 16:26:34 <Darkvater> he's been away for a long time, galician had about 30 untranslated strings for the past 2-3 months 16:26:43 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: which reminds me, still don't have a login :) 16:26:47 <Darkvater> Bjarni: MiHaMiX invited me 16:27:02 <MiHaMiX> RichK67_wrk: well, i've just realised the need of it a few weeks ago, thinking on how to extend wt2 to all branches 16:27:31 <Bjarni> hmm 16:27:47 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: he showed up in a month ago (until then there was NO galician translator at all), but he told me he'll be away for a while.. 16:27:52 <Bjarni> I get an error when I try to invite myself 16:27:59 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: :D 16:28:13 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: do you really need one? :D 16:28:18 <Darkvater> < lunch 16:28:22 <Darkvater> release needa wait a bit 16:28:24 <Bjarni> telling me that the user is already present in the channel in question 16:28:42 <Bjarni> only one bit? 16:28:48 <MiHaMiX> :D 16:28:59 <Bjarni> I still need to upload several mb and you talk about a single bit??? 16:29:36 <MiHaMiX> but the ultimate lol of the month: the simplified chinese translator alone translated MORE than 3 slovenian translator together :) 16:29:50 <Bjarni> hehe 16:30:21 <Bjarni> we got simplified Chinese? 16:30:23 <Bjarni> cool 16:30:28 <Bjarni> is it with Chinese chars? 16:30:42 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/utf8chinese.png 16:30:42 <glx> yes 16:30:43 <peter1138> :D 16:31:33 <MiHaMiX> and.. we are having wannabe hebrew translators as well, so .. guys, hurry up and rework the gui to allow RTL translations! :) 16:31:36 <Bjarni> now, how can we make sure he is not just adding dirty words all over the place as a joke? 16:32:02 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: how can you be sure about the galician, icelandic, etc... languages? 16:32:12 <Bjarni> well 16:32:23 <peter1138> or danish 16:32:29 <Bjarni> I would read icelandic.txt to verify it 16:32:35 <Bjarni> the same goes for danish.txt 16:32:52 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: i can approve hungarian :) 16:33:00 <Bjarni> Icelandic got some weird words once in a while 16:33:09 <Bjarni> for instance, train is "lest" 16:33:17 <Bjarni> wtf is that for a word??? 16:33:57 <RichK67_wrk> yeah... should definitely be steaminboilersdottir :) 16:34:10 <Bjarni> :D 16:34:14 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B371D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:58 <MiHaMiX> :DD 16:35:24 <Bjarni> I wonder how they say locomotive... maybe "Pioneer" 16:36:08 <Bjarni> I mean after all the only locomotive they ever had was named Pioneer 16:36:16 <Bjarni> 65 cm gauge 16:36:25 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B371D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:36:29 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54944949.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gewitter"] 16:36:33 <Bjarni> used at the harbour when it was constructed and then retired afterwards 16:36:44 <RichK67_wrk> a brilliant place though... many happy memories of a holiday there :) 16:37:55 <Bjarni> you mean the Blue Lagoon? 16:38:01 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 16:38:22 <RichK67_wrk> yup - and gullfoss, geysir, haemaey, etc 16:38:43 <RichK67_wrk> we actually had 5 dry days!! 16:38:52 <Bjarni> o_O 16:39:04 <Bjarni> that's not possible in Iceland 16:39:32 <Bjarni> there are hot springs everywhere, so you can go for a swim every day 16:39:35 <RichK67_wrk> lol - it was said to be unusual... 16:39:46 <Bjarni> even when you go far into the countryside 16:40:00 <RichK67_wrk> and the tomatoes... grown in volcanic soil... best juicy toms ive ever had 16:40:24 <Bjarni> are you sure that they were not imported? 16:40:38 <Bjarni> Iceland tend to be too cold for tomatoes 16:40:43 <RichK67_wrk> oh yeah... went past the greenhouses (thermally heated) 16:40:53 <Bjarni> ahh 16:41:07 <Noldo> isn't heating always thermal? 16:41:11 <RichK67_wrk> magic place 16:41:31 <Bjarni> Noldo: I meant geo thermal heating 16:41:35 <RichK67_wrk> sorry - hydrothermally heated 16:41:46 <RichK67_wrk> yeah, that as well ;) 16:41:55 <Bjarni> like all the other houses 16:42:14 <Bjarni> every single house in Reykjavik is heated by hot water from springs 16:42:20 <Bjarni> saves on the heating bill 16:42:26 <RichK67_wrk> did the lot - geothermal powerstation... up into a volcanic crater (on haemaey), puffins, waterfalls... amazing 16:42:29 <Bjarni> puts a lot of sulfur in the radiators though 16:43:05 <Bjarni> what is puffins? 16:43:19 <RichK67_wrk> a small seabird with a colourful beak 16:43:31 <Bjarni> ahh that one 16:43:56 <Bjarni> never knew the English name for those 16:44:48 <RichK67_wrk> anyway... gotta go... hometime :)_ 16:44:53 <RichK67_wrk> cya 16:45:03 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 16:45:09 <Bjarni> there is another bird you should be careful about though. It's a small black one and if you go to close to their nest, they fly high into the air and dive for your heat 16:45:17 <Bjarni> *head 16:46:21 <Bjarni> he left... 16:46:26 <Bjarni> now he didn't get the warning 16:46:40 <Bjarni> well, it's his head, not mine 16:46:43 <Bjarni> :p 16:48:02 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:48:09 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host120-232.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 16:48:25 <Wolf01> yu 16:48:26 <Wolf01> *yo 16:49:05 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:50:36 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3675B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:53:05 *** Frostregen_ [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-170-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:17 <SpComb> I want to play OpenTTD, what should I do? 16:54:05 * Sacro scratches 16:54:21 <Born_Acorn> run it, and then play it. 16:54:25 <Born_Acorn> Problem solved. 16:54:29 <SpComb> hmm 16:55:02 <Zavior> SpComb, run the .exe ;p 16:55:07 <Wolf01> Frostregen_, will you help me also with diagonal roads or eyecandy things? 16:55:12 <Zavior> If you are on windows that is 16:56:27 <SpComb> I'd have to have it installed for that to work 16:56:56 <Bjarni> <SpComb> I want to play OpenTTD, what should I do? <-- you knock your head hard into the wall enough times to knock you out and then you hope that you will be playing in your dreams 16:57:00 <Zavior> True, but that should not be a problem :=) 16:57:29 <Sacro> whats worse, the girl you love being offline, or online but away :) 16:57:36 <Sacro> *D: 16:57:39 <Wolf01> you don't need OTTD installed, you need only the resource files from the original TTDX 16:58:31 <Sacro> since when was emacs an IDE... 17:02:08 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80AB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:03:09 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 17:03:23 <Born_Acorn> Sacro, if the girl that you loved blocked you, that could be worse. :p 17:03:44 <SpComb> or if you blocked the girl that loved you :P 17:03:44 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: true, online but ignoring me 17:03:55 <Sacro> yes...seeing as gaim has no unblock capability 17:04:26 <Born_Acorn> Or if you found out your entire life was like something from the Truman Show. 17:04:29 <Sacro> she doesnt even know how i feel :( 17:04:33 <Sacro> it probably is 17:04:45 <Born_Acorn> Sacro! You are on TV! 17:04:47 <Sacro> would explain a fair bit 17:06:33 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Client Quit] 17:06:37 * Born_Acorn is carried off 17:07:08 <Born_Acorn> It's like Big Brother but with yooooooooou! <fadeout> 17:11:09 <Sacro> hmm, i dont have emacs 17:11:22 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-161-235.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:11:42 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 17:14:52 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:16:54 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 17:17:36 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5681 /branches/TGP/window.c: [TGP] -Fix: InputLoop and the generation of the world were interfering via _current_player; now the InputLoop does not set the current player as it is not necesarry when the player cannot do anything. 17:17:52 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:17:55 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 17:25:14 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947EFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:26 *** Sacro [n=ben@212.50.172.86] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:34:18 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80AB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:42:29 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176121021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:56:30 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F151.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 17:57:37 <Darkvater> yaay, release done 18:00:13 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:00:33 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:04:48 <CIA-5> truelight * r5682 /website/includes/smarty.inc.php: [Website] -Fix: For the DarkVater under us: if you want utf-8 pages, send it in the header ;) 18:05:24 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:05:55 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit ["Connection not reset by peer."] 18:11:41 <Darkvater> bb around ~23 18:11:53 <Darkvater> if anyone wants, you can bitch at me then 18:11:54 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 18:12:33 *** publunch [n=publunch@87.113.78.133.bbplus.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:43 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 18:15:51 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 18:17:39 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-197-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:43 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 18:27:06 *** mIGu [i=mig21@static.int.pl] has joined #openttd 18:28:30 <michi_cc> isn't there supposed to be an english.txt in the lang folder for releases? it's missing in the win32 one. 18:28:55 <Bjarni> err 18:29:05 <Bjarni> it have never been there in any of the OSX releases 18:29:11 <Bjarni> should it be there? 18:29:15 <Bjarni> and why? :) 18:29:33 <michi_cc> it's n the RC1 one at least 18:29:54 <Bjarni> hmm 18:29:54 <michi_cc> so somebody could translate all those strings by himself 18:30:04 <Bjarni> we don't want that 18:30:12 <Bjarni> we want translators to use the online translator 18:30:15 <michi_cc> i'll check 0.4 or something... 18:32:34 <Bjarni> mushi mushi tokai|noir san 18:33:09 <michi_cc> Bjarni: the 0.4.0.1 win32 zip-release does contain an englisch.txt 18:33:23 <Bjarni> hopefully it's called english.txt 18:33:29 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 18:33:31 <Bjarni> it's not written in German ;) 18:33:48 <michi_cc> yes, it is :) 18:34:03 <tokai|noir> Bjarni: domo arigatou. 18:34:49 <Bjarni> tokai|noir: 0.4.8-RC2 have been released 18:34:53 <michi_cc> got win64 binaries btw, if nobody's interested in putting them on the official page, i'll make a forum post later on 18:35:00 <michi_cc> http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/openttd-0.4.8-RC2-win64.zip 18:35:34 <tokai|noir> Bjarni: do i have to build with "0.4.8" as release string.. or with "0.4.8-RC2" ? 18:35:48 <Bjarni> the latter as it's not the final 0.4.8 18:35:58 <Bjarni> but I think it's hardcoded into the makefile 18:36:13 <Bjarni> at least I didn't add a release string. It was just there 18:36:24 <tokai|noir> ic, lets try 18:36:37 <tokai|noir> i hope it builds ;) 18:37:16 <Bjarni> I got odd warnings when building the binary for OSX 10.2 about missing files. It appears to work anyway 18:38:06 <tokai|noir> well.. i completly rebuild my dev environment here.. so everything can go wrong:) 18:38:18 <Bjarni> ahh, like that 18:38:46 <Bjarni> at one time DV said "release time" and I thought "shit, I lack more or less all the libs I need" 18:39:12 <Bjarni> I mean, I had to recreate the universal libs and the libs to target Jaguar 18:39:38 <Bjarni> amazingly I got them to work so fast that nobody noticed and the binaries were ready for the release 18:40:29 <tokai|noir> lets see if "make release" is done when i'm back from making some food ;) 18:41:43 *** mIGu^gen2 [i=mig21@static.int.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:50:27 <tokai|noir> hmm.. almost 18:50:38 <luckzeh> anybody mind telling me how having different options/patch settings and graphics files affects MP? 18:50:47 <tokai|noir> were can I get current set of scenarios? 18:51:15 <tokai|noir> luckzeh: if everything goes alright it should be synced from the server, AFAIK. :) 18:51:36 <luckzeh> does the server also send people the newgrf files? 18:52:01 <tokai|noir> no, AFAIK such feature doesnt exists 18:52:33 <luckzeh> so what happens if I use, say, the uk renewal set and others dont? 18:52:41 <tokai|noir> no idea 18:52:48 <glx> luckzeh: most probable is desync 18:52:50 <tokai|noir> i never used newgrf :) 18:53:13 * tokai|noir pokes Bjarni 18:53:21 <glx> server and all clients should use same grf in same order 18:53:36 <Wolf01> it desync as soon as a train appear on a viewport of a player 18:53:37 <luckzeh> and how does that then work with regular settings, like enabling small airports etc? 18:54:25 <Wolf01> if the patches options are client side there is no problem, if a patch can desync is server sided and only the server can change it 18:55:42 <luckzeh> in how far do settings I change in midgame effect anything? 18:56:41 <Wolf01> i can show as example the daylength patch i coded: if you set it client side, each client can have his own date 18:57:26 <Wolf01> and since the sinc is intended in game days, as soon as a client has more than 5 days of difference with the server it desyinc 18:58:22 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 18:58:57 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["BBL"] 18:59:13 <luckzeh> makes sense. 18:59:47 <luckzeh> I seem unable to find much about electric trains in the wikis, or rather about what I need to use them - I need special rails for those, dont I? 19:00:10 <Wolf01> with uk renewal set, if your engine run at 50kmh and the server's engine runs at 80kmh it desync 19:00:49 <Wolf01> for electric engines you need elrails 19:01:27 <luckzeh> wellyes, but how do I get those? 19:01:46 <Wolf01> do you use a nightly or 0.4.7? 19:01:58 <luckzeh> the 0.4.8 RC 19:02:12 <Wolf01> yes, doesn't matter, is 0.4.x 19:02:23 <Wolf01> elrails are planned for 0.5.0 19:02:55 <Wolf01> you can wait until 1970 and then you get electric engines 19:04:32 <luckzeh> I know, but I can then just use them on normal rails, yes? 19:04:55 <luckzeh> I didnt build any because I thought they needed special rails 19:05:22 <Wolf01> no, in trunk electric engines use normal rails 19:05:38 <glx> Wolf01: you're wrong :) 19:05:47 <glx> in trunk there is elrail 19:06:01 <Wolf01> ?_? 19:06:26 <glx> [21:05:28] <Wolf01> no, in trunk electric engines use normal rails 19:06:38 <Wolf01> yes, i mean 0.4.x 19:06:53 <Wolf01> i know that trunk mean also nightlies 19:08:47 <luckzeh> do the current nightlies have PBS or not? 19:08:55 <glx> no 19:12:12 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit ["Connection not reset by peer."] 19:12:49 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 19:12:50 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 19:13:08 <Bjarni> <tokai|noir> were can I get current set of scenarios? <-- SF. They didn't change since last release though 19:13:29 <tokai|noir> Bjarni: found already. uploading atm. 19:13:31 <Bjarni> <tokai|noir> i never used newgrf :) <-- now that's just bad 19:13:34 <Bjarni> bad bad tokai 19:13:54 <Bjarni> you just add [newgrf] to the end of openttd.cfg 19:14:13 <Bjarni> and then you add the names of the grf files you put in data/ 19:14:24 <Bjarni> that's it and you will have a whole lot of really cool vehicles 19:14:28 <tokai|noir> i dont have additional grf files:) 19:14:37 <Bjarni> well 19:15:08 <Bjarni> the point to newgrf sets are that you should go to the page where they are maintained and download the newest version 19:15:59 <Bjarni> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 19:16:34 <Bjarni> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/details.php?do=details&id=68 <-- I recommend trying this one 19:16:40 <tokai|noir> Bjarni: openttd-0.4.8-RC2-morphos.lha in incoming/ on sf.net (don't mix with the 0.4.2 archive.. i had an typo i realized to late ;) 19:17:27 <luckzeh> so if I get widerdepots.grf file, does that replace all std depots or can I choose between different kinds of depots then? 19:17:54 <Bjarni> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/details.php?do=details&id=9 <-- this one is nice as well 19:18:36 <tokai|noir> looks nice, indeed. 19:18:38 <luckzeh> bigdepots_822, I mean 19:18:49 <Bjarni> luckzeh: most likely a replacement, but I never tried that grf. I don't know if we fully supports it either 19:19:08 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit ["Connection not reset by peer."] 19:19:23 <Bjarni> oh btw, use nightly builds if you wants to try newgrf stuff. It got way better support for the advanced (fun) grf features 19:19:47 <luckzeh> wanted to use the MiniIN with that stuff 19:20:09 <tokai|noir> brb 19:20:11 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80AB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 19:20:24 <Bjarni> the MiniIN is based on the nightly builds, so that would be ok as well 19:20:28 <luckzeh> yep 19:20:37 <Bjarni> it's just that 0.4.8-RC2 lacks some support 19:21:10 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80AB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:22:08 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 19:22:31 <Bjarni> tokai|noir: should I delete the 0.4.2 file? 19:22:42 <Bjarni> I think that would be best 19:23:11 <tokai|noir> Bjarni: yes, was just a mistake 19:23:23 <tokai|noir> its also not completly uploaded anyway 19:23:56 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:58 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 19:24:33 <Bjarni> tokai|noir: btw do you have a bittorrent client on MorphOS? 19:24:54 <lws1984> all the UN is do is possibly use laserpointers to blind them 19:25:12 <Bjarni> we are also releasing with torrents now. They tend to be faster than SF ;) 19:25:13 <lws1984> heh? wrong window 19:25:19 <tokai|noir> bjarni: sure, i ported mldonkey and ctorrent.. and i also host the mainline port by a friend :) 19:25:30 <Bjarni> ok 19:25:49 <tokai|noir> i don't use them though 19:26:02 <tokai|noir> azureus on osx is more comfortable ;) 19:26:05 <Bjarni> well, some people might, which is good enough 19:26:22 <tokai|noir> of course. 19:26:29 *** TrueLight [n=trueligh@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:26:30 <Bjarni> we don't set up the distribution system for you to download the file you compiled yourself ;) 19:26:37 <TrueLight> tokai: ping 19:26:44 <tokai|noir> pong 19:26:49 <Bjarni> ding 19:26:55 <TrueLight> tokai: can you give me the md5 of the morphos file? 19:27:00 <TrueLight> (as it is on your system if possible) 19:27:39 <tokai|noir> hmm 19:27:42 <tokai|noir> sadly not 19:27:56 <tokai|noir> i had the archive in ram disk before i rebooted 19:28:02 <TrueLight> hehe 19:28:07 <TrueLight> okay, next time please also provide the md5 19:28:07 <Bjarni> haha 19:28:19 <tokai|noir> i think when i make a new one the filedates (and so the md5) will be different 19:28:31 <TrueLight> Yeah, so no need 19:28:36 <TrueLight> but keep it in mind for next time please 19:28:38 <Bjarni> that's the silliest place possible to place such an important file 19:28:41 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 19:28:51 <Bjarni> now you better download the file from SF, verify that it works and make the md5 19:29:03 <TrueLight> :) He can do that too ;) 19:29:11 <TrueLight> But okay, tnx anyway tokai :) 19:29:11 <tokai|noir> well.. the file was working ,) 19:29:18 <TrueLight> glad to see a morphos release :) 19:29:24 <TrueLight> bye 19:29:25 *** TrueLight [n=trueligh@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:30:03 <Bjarni> <tokai|noir> well.. the file was working ,) <-- I once uploaded a working dmg to SF and then somebody complained that it didn't work.... SF (or the transfer) broke my file >_< 19:30:35 <tokai|noir> sure.. the only place the file could be get damaged 19:31:17 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@ip503c308c.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:32:45 <luckzeh> (how do you refit something?) 19:33:17 <Bjarni> newbie alert 19:34:58 <luckzeh> I'm not denying that I first played the game yesterday night. I know how to upgrade trains - though cars refused when I tried that, but I have no clue how to refit something. 19:35:49 <Bjarni> stop the vehicle in a depot and click on it. The box button is called refit (it's hidden if it's not possible) 19:37:03 <luckzeh> so I basically look where you have icons for cloning and orders, and there'll be a new button to refit? 19:39:04 <luckzeh> do I need a full install of a previous version to use the miniin, or..? 19:42:00 <luckzeh> ah, okay, it's the scenarios 19:44:59 <luckzeh> is realistic acceleration for trains and cars (mini) recommended? 19:48:09 *** Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:48:29 <RichK67> the new one uses real physics; it feels very different, and is less "gamey" 19:52:25 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B371D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:02 <luckzeh> can I use the UK set, DBxl and more at the same time? 19:54:55 <RichK67> UKRS and DBsetXL are mutually exclusive - most train sets cannot be used at the same time 19:55:19 <RichK67> but many station sets are fine together 19:56:05 <luckzeh> hmmh. 19:56:12 <luckzeh> I assume UKRS is more interesting? 19:56:20 *** tank_ [i=tank@213.239.249.194] has quit [Success] 19:56:42 <RichK67> ukrs is very good for temperate 19:57:31 *** sayno [n=sayno@ppp-168-253-10-99.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has joined #openttd 19:57:56 <luckzeh> can I use the US stations and US industrial stations with that, for an example, without losing any content? 19:58:04 <RichK67> yes 19:58:32 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 19:58:44 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:59:14 <RichK67> bbl 19:59:17 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 20:00:11 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:00:16 *** tank_ [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 20:00:34 *** Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 20:01:42 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:01:52 <luckzeh> I assume I want citystationsw.grf instead of citystations.grf? 20:02:19 <peter1138> YES 20:02:21 <peter1138> er 20:02:21 <peter1138> yes 20:02:30 <luckzeh> thanks :) 20:15:34 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181080233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:16:42 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 20:18:41 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 20:18:41 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:19:13 *** sayno [n=sayno@ppp-168-253-10-99.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:20:46 <luckzeh> mh, do you have to do anything special to make the UK renewal industry changes work? 20:21:10 <Born_Acorn> Industries don't work in OTTD yet. 20:21:28 <Born_Acorn> No support for them as of yet. 20:22:57 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B371D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:28:41 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:29:48 <luckzeh> ahhh 20:29:49 <luckzeh> okay 20:30:11 <luckzeh> so there is no point in using the UK renewal industries file? 20:31:59 *** Dred_furst` [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:32:25 <glx> it only use a file slot 20:32:50 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37EAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:39 <luckzeh> what is "shuttering" in UKRenewal? 20:40:35 <Bjarni> that is driving from one part of a station to another. It's not really a part of OTTD, but the engines got included anyway 20:40:54 <Bjarni> US "English" calls them switching engines 20:42:55 <Brianetta> shunting 20:43:35 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-186-233.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:43:50 <Brianetta> The diesel shunter is extremely slow, but so cheap to run that it can compete with road vehicles over short distances 20:44:43 <Bjarni> shunters are designed to be cheap to operate ;) 20:45:23 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@ip503c308c.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 20:46:29 <Sacro> i know some girls like that 20:46:42 <Sacro> built like a shunter, and cheap to run 20:47:34 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:50:09 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:31 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176097125.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:55:29 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5683 /branches/TGP/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [TGP] -Add: a patch option to be able to choose the tree placer algorithm 20:56:57 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:04:35 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181080233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 21:05:00 *** UnderBuilder [n=usuario@168.226.104.11] has joined #openttd 21:05:31 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181080233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:05:36 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181080233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:10:11 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176121021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:12:53 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:13:10 <UnderBuilder> I have the common problem of no sound & no music (I copied the .gm's and the sample.cat) 21:14:12 <Bjarni> check that you didn't mute your computer 21:14:16 <Bjarni> that's always a good start 21:14:20 <Sacro> and that your speakers are turned on :) 21:14:22 <Bjarni> and turn on the speakers 21:14:35 <UnderBuilder> the sound works outside ottd 21:14:35 <Sacro> and ignore the dutch :P 21:14:43 <Bjarni> use a different app to verify that you can get it to say something 21:14:54 <Sacro> or danish...or whever hes from ;) 21:14:55 <Bjarni> ok 21:14:59 <Bjarni> OS? 21:15:32 <UnderBuilder> linux tuquito (based on debian) 21:15:43 <Bjarni> ok 21:15:45 <Bjarni> hmm 21:15:48 <UnderBuilder> on my windows works ok 21:15:51 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80AB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 21:16:02 <Bjarni> try ./openttd -h to see available options 21:16:13 <Bjarni> verify that you got different music and sound drivers than null 21:16:33 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:16:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 21:18:07 <UnderBuilder> I tried with -s sdl and -m extmidi and no changes 21:18:21 <UnderBuilder> also the music jukebox is crazy 21:19:35 <Bjarni> check that you got read permissions to the files 21:20:36 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B80AB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:21:04 <Bjarni> UnderBuilder: are you using an old version of OTTD? 21:21:53 <Sacro> Bjarni: define old? 21:22:04 <Bjarni> as in not the newest 21:23:41 *** sayno [n=sayno@ppp-168-253-16-212.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:09 <Darkvater> what is not working? 21:24:52 <Bjarni> sound+music 21:25:15 <Darkvater> what version? 21:25:22 <Darkvater> do you get any debug messages with -d 5? 21:28:01 *** sayno [n=sayno@ppp-168-253-16-212.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:31:03 *** Lord_damnit [i=Lord@84-72-25-132.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 21:32:15 <UnderBuilder> version 0.4.7 21:33:41 <Darkvater> 23:23 <@Darkvater> do you get any debug messages with -d 5? 21:35:52 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:37:11 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 21:39:39 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:42:20 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 21:44:49 * Mucht slaps UnderBuilder to #openttdcoop 21:47:44 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D925.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 21:48:25 <UnderBuilder> I get some messages about calculating H or G and expanded into track 8 or something 21:48:46 <Darkvater> pathfinder 21:48:51 <Darkvater> nothing else? 21:48:53 <Darkvater> strange 21:49:09 <glx> hmm npf in debug_level 5 is really verbose 21:49:29 <Sacro> :o qdb.us appears to be down 21:49:30 <Darkvater> just do 2 or 3 then :) 21:50:08 <glx> -d driver9 should be enough for the current problem 21:52:09 <UnderBuilder> I get this: 21:52:11 <UnderBuilder> dbg: Successfully probed sound driver "sdl" 21:52:11 <UnderBuilder> dbg: Successfully probed music driver "extmidi" 21:52:12 <UnderBuilder> dbg: sdl: using driver 'x11' 21:52:12 <UnderBuilder> dbg: sdl: using mode 800x600 21:52:13 <UnderBuilder> dbg: Successfully probed video driver "sdl" 21:53:18 *** Lord_damnit [i=Lord@84-72-25-132.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 21:53:35 <Darkvater> well sound should work with sdl 21:53:59 <UnderBuilder> so what is wrong? 21:54:10 <Darkvater> extmidi might not work if you have no extmidi defined 21:54:32 <Darkvater> eg it probes it nicely for me, but just goes nuts cause I have nothing defined, not even installed timidity 21:54:41 <glx> by default extmidi uses timidity 21:55:00 <glx> even if timidity is not installed :) 21:55:09 <Darkvater> yeah, looks funky ^^ 21:55:21 <Tron> probing extmidi _always_ succeeds 21:55:33 <Tron> there's no error checking there 21:55:52 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:56:54 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:57:00 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host120-232.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 21:58:37 * peter1138 has an sdlmixer driver somewhere 21:58:43 <peter1138> midi works with that 21:58:45 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 22:00:10 <tokai|alternativ> peter1138: u mean openttd linked with libtimidity? 22:00:35 <peter1138> no 22:00:40 <Sacro> theres a libtimidity? 22:00:48 <peter1138> i mean openttd linked with sdlmixer 22:00:52 <tokai|alternativ> afaik 22:01:08 <tokai|alternativ> peter1138: well.. isnt sdlmixer linked with libtimidity? :) 22:01:56 <peter1138> nope 22:02:57 <michi_cc> Darkvater: got Win64 binaries for RC2, if you want to add that to the offical page, it's here http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/ 22:03:21 <michi_cc> otherwise, i'm making a forum post tomorrow 22:03:45 * peter1138 > sleep 22:03:47 <peter1138> actually 22:03:51 * peter1138 > home > sleep 22:03:52 <tokai|alternativ> peter1138: ah.. just talked with our sdl maintainer.. our sdlmixer.library has no midi support yet ;) 22:04:05 <Darkvater> =7#J7 I7#I7 I7#I7 I7#I7 22:04:06 <tokai|alternativ> peter1138: anyway.. maybe sdmart to get that into trunk? 22:04:06 <Darkvater> wtf 22:04:11 <Darkvater> michi_cc: please paste that again 22:04:13 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 22:04:29 <peter1138> it'll play mp3s or oggs though ;) 22:04:33 <michi_cc> http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/ 22:04:38 * SpComb pastes the OpenTTD binary into here 22:04:39 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 22:04:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 22:04:47 <michi_cc> http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/ 22:04:50 <peter1138> tokai|alternativ: it's not ready 22:05:13 <peter1138> tokai|alternativ: it requires that openttd's mixer (used for all sounds) is ripped out 22:05:15 <SpComb> .FBP.EØ. 22:05:28 <peter1138> well, i suppose it doesn't have to be, but that misses the point of sdlmixer somewhat 22:05:49 <tokai|alternativ> peter1138: ah.. ic.. sounds complicated :) 22:05:52 <Darkvater> michi_cc: thx 22:06:13 <michi_cc> no problem, do what you want, I'm off 22:06:17 *** michi_cc is now known as michi_cc-away 22:06:18 <peter1138> tokai|alternativ: sdlmixer takes over, so you can mix it with just normal sdl audio stuff :( 22:06:22 <peter1138> errr 22:06:23 <peter1138> *can't* 22:07:03 <peter1138> bye 22:07:10 <luckzeh> uhh, is it me or is telling stuff to service not possible anymore in the nightly? 22:09:03 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc131.host2.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:10:10 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 22:11:40 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5684 /trunk/ (fileio.c gfxinit.c string.c string.h): - Codechange: create an strtolower() function that uses tolower() on a whole string and apply it in the places this was used. 22:11:50 *** FredNeuberger [i=fred@81.3.18.130] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:12:51 *** FredNeuberger [i=fred@geekhosting.de] has joined #openttd 22:15:45 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5685 /trunk/ (fileio.c fileio.h newgrf.c): - Codechange: s/FiosCheckFileExists/FioCheckFileExists/ to unify the naming of these functions. 22:17:21 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 22:17:30 *** ohyeah [n=ohyeah@ns.spirit.ee] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:24:13 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5686 /trunk/fileio.c: - Codechange: Use only FioFOpenFile for opening files, use the other similar functions (FioCheckFileExists and FioOpenFile) as its caller. 22:26:19 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5687 /trunk/fileio.c: - Cleanup: Some cleanup and commentarizing. 22:26:30 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. 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This ensures an updated changelog, known-bugs, etc. 22:44:11 *** UnderBuilder [n=usuario@168.226.104.11] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:45:06 <slick_goku_baby> Where do I need to go to get the sandbox server info? Just want to look around mostly :) 22:46:30 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B37EAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:48:53 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B80AB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:48:58 *** tokai|badnetwork [n=tokai@p54B80C87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 22:49:04 *** OwenS [n=OwenS@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:49:18 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:49:21 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-186-233.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:49:38 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:49:51 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:51:29 <slick_goku_baby> I guess what I should be asking is if there are any games going on that I could watch or something? 22:52:28 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-186-233.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:54:43 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 22:54:55 <luckzeh> the wiki has that, slick 22:55:26 <luckzeh> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/sandbox.php 22:55:34 <luckzeh> slick_goku_baby http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Sandbox_Server 22:56:12 <slick_goku_baby> ok, missed it the first time 22:56:29 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 23:05:59 <luckzeh> so yes 23:06:15 <luckzeh> the option to "wait max days" in stations makes all my MP client dc with desync errors :p 23:08:49 <luckzeh> (just did it twice in a row, to check) 23:12:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> report that to the patch writer 23:12:46 <luckzeh> and the patch writer I find how? 23:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the forum i assume 23:13:09 <luckzeh> and will anybody please tell me what happened to the option to make trains service? 23:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> there should also be a miniin.patches.zip or something, which might mention the author 23:13:42 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:14:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the miniin you should have a "send all to depot" in the trainlist 23:14:25 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 23:14:30 *** slick_goku_baby [i=slickgok@cpe-24-210-23-132.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [] 23:14:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> otherwise, you can send trains to scheduled service by creating a "goto depot" order 23:15:07 <luckzeh> yes, but I'd maybe have regular depot visits whenever they are necessary rather than forcing that at some point. and yes, I know about the goto - but in normal TTD, it doesnt always go to the depots pointed at with the service command, just when the vehic considers it necessary 23:15:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> there is a standard service interval 23:15:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> also, there is an option to turn off servicing when breakdowns are off 23:15:56 <luckzeh> yes, but does the train by itself decide to find a depot to service, or..? 23:16:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, the train searches by itself, but not very far away 23:16:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> like a 16 field radius or something 23:17:08 <luckzeh> wonderful. 23:17:13 <luckzeh> I'm fine with that. 23:19:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> btw, there should be a switch wether the service is "every X days" or "when reliability goes below X%" 23:19:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> or something similar to that 23:19:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> i never used that, because i play without breakdowns 23:20:05 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["good night"] 23:31:28 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:31:49 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:33:38 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 23:37:08 *** sayno [n=sayno@ppp-168-253-18-190.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has joined #openttd 23:42:40 *** OwenS [n=OwenS@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd ["Kopete 0.11.3 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 23:44:11 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc144.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 23:44:50 *** sayno [n=sayno@ppp-168-253-18-190.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 23:48:33 *** ohyeah [n=ohyeah@ns.spirit.ee] has joined #openttd 23:53:01 <luckzeh> Eddi|zuHause2: cant you set stuff like that in the options? 23:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> argh... you should not highlight people in the middle of the night... 23:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> that should be in the patch settings under vehicles... 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