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00:03:49 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-225-81.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:04:06 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 00:15:56 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCEE964.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:20:41 *** k-man__ [n=jason@ppp244-232.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 00:20:43 <k-man__> hello 00:21:08 <k-man__> has anyone noticed that converting a fleet from say, rail to monorail is a nightmare? 00:21:29 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [") td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ ("] 00:23:45 <Sacro> k-man__: loads of peoles 00:23:49 <Sacro> peoples* 00:24:09 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:25:27 <k-man__> i wish there was a "send all trains to depots button 00:26:55 <Tefad> everyone does 00:27:19 <Tefad> it's easy to convert the track at least 00:27:25 <Tefad> i remember back when i was playing it in dos 00:27:35 <Tefad> horribly slow 00:27:47 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:27:48 <k-man__> and also a way of seeing from the train list, which trains are either on the way to a depot, in a depot, and or are stopped 00:27:59 <k-man__> yeah, converting was a dream 00:28:01 <k-man__> i loved it 00:28:04 <k-man__> awesome 00:28:14 <k-man__> but just getting all the trains to depots was horrid 00:28:31 <k-man__> or what about chained orders... you could order a train to return to depot and sell itself 00:28:33 <k-man__> that would be cool 00:28:42 <k-man__> at least you could just issue the order and forget it 00:29:29 <Tefad> heh 00:32:45 <kbrooks> k-man__: in MiniIN, therre *uis* a send to depot for all vehicles :-) 00:32:55 <kbrooks> *is* 00:32:59 <k-man__> what is miniin? 00:33:39 <kbrooks> mini integrated nightly, a fork of openttd with patches 00:34:32 <kbrooks> well, i think its a fork because it has diverged so much :-) 00:34:39 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:36:53 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 00:40:52 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 00:41:26 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2D5B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:49:27 *** Magus_X [n=magus@201-10-54-47.pltce7005.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 00:49:29 <Magus_X> hey 00:49:33 <Magus_X> i need help, anyone alive? 00:49:47 <Magus_X> well, im new on linux 00:50:10 <Magus_X> i need download the sourcecode of openttd? 00:53:33 <glx> binaries are available for linux if you don't want to compile 00:55:33 <Magus_X> hm.. 00:55:40 <Magus_X> im downloading linux binaries right now 00:55:43 <Magus_X> im using ubuntu 00:56:08 <Magus_X> windows pissed me off time enough 00:56:34 <Magus_X> i am just afraid of video drivers :( 00:56:42 <Magus_X> how install them on linux :P 00:57:25 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2CD71.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:57:26 *** dp is now known as dp-- 00:57:27 <Sacro> heh, Ubuntu is sooooooooooooooo easy 00:57:33 <Sacro> Magus_X: what card? 00:57:46 <Magus_X> FX 5200 00:57:56 <glx> nvidia :) 00:58:01 <Magus_X> Nvidia Fx "Crap" 5200 00:58:19 <Magus_X> :P 00:58:42 <Sacro> well, err 00:59:04 *** k-man [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has joined #openttd 00:59:17 <Magus_X> :P 00:59:54 *** Gonozal_VIII [i=Gono@N892P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:00:06 <Sacro> Magus_X: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 01:02:33 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 01:04:22 <Magus_X> thanks!! 01:04:55 <Sacro> the Ubuntu wiki is your friend 01:04:58 <Sacro> as is synaptic 01:05:38 <Magus_X> damn 01:05:48 <Magus_X> anyone know what is the ubuntu root password? 01:06:07 <Sacro> use sudo 01:06:15 <Sacro> it doesnt have one 01:06:21 <Burgundavia> Magus_X: read help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo 01:06:54 <Magus_X> wish me lucky :~ 01:11:18 <Magus_X> "If you are running Hoary Hedgehog or Breezy Badge" 01:11:23 <Magus_X> what the hell is this? :( 01:11:44 <Gonozal_VIII> animals^^ 01:12:12 <Magus_X> lol? 01:13:08 <Gonozal_VIII> no idea 01:13:52 <Sacro> Magus_X: im guessing your running Dapper Drake (6.06 LTS) 01:13:54 <mikk36> i have no good thoughts about ubuntu 01:14:01 <mikk36> which means: i hate ubuntu :) 01:14:05 <Sacro> mikk36: i hated it 01:14:27 *** k-man__ [n=jason@ppp244-232.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:14:38 <mikk36> ok... and then.. what happened next ? 01:15:06 <mikk36> i mean: u're talking in the past 01:15:07 <Sacro> i went back to lovely Arch 01:15:20 <mikk36> Arch linux ? 01:15:28 <Sacro> yep 01:15:30 <mikk36> :P 01:15:37 <Sacro> you run it? 01:15:41 <mikk36> nop 01:15:45 <mikk36> i'm on gentoo here 01:15:52 <Sacro> i converted GoneWacko i think 01:15:58 <Sacro> and Qball runs it 01:16:33 <mikk36> i've never installed ubuntu on my own machine, but have tried to conf it on a friends... pretty nice nightmare 01:16:34 <mikk36> lol 01:16:40 <mikk36> cats are fighting outside :D 01:16:46 <mikk36> nice screams :D 01:17:15 <mikk36> ok, i've got a decision to do 01:17:24 <mikk36> whether to go to sleep or not 01:17:32 <mikk36> i'd have to wake up in 3 hours 01:20:45 *** k-man_ [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has joined #openttd 01:21:05 <Magus_X> lol 01:25:48 <Sacro> oh well, bed, gn all 01:26:03 <Magus_X> gn 01:27:07 *** k-man [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:27:11 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-225-81.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:30:25 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC7C5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:31:07 *** Magus_X [n=magus@201-10-54-47.pltce7005.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:32:50 *** Magus_X [n=magus@201-10-54-47.pltce7005.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 01:32:52 <Magus_X> drivers installed 01:32:54 <Magus_X> o.O 01:32:54 <Magus_X> o/ 01:34:29 <Magus_X> thanks for the help 01:34:30 <Magus_X> all 01:34:31 <Magus_X> :) 01:35:36 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 01:37:46 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@82-37-135-45.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:40:28 <Magus_X> WOW 01:40:32 <Magus_X> openttd running 01:40:40 <Magus_X> well, linux is not hard at all 01:40:53 *** k-man [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has joined #openttd 01:41:41 <kinty> transfer feeder services doesn't work in MiniIn-5722 :( 01:51:17 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37C0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:54:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, people reported that already ;) 01:55:19 *** k-man_ [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:56:55 <kinty> any quick fix? 01:57:47 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, use an earlier version 01:58:38 <kinty> can i just revert economy.c to an earlier version? 02:01:09 <Eddi|zuHause> if you think that is the thing that broke, yes... you can choose the revision for individual files with SVN 02:01:10 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:02:03 <kinty> i don't know for sure, but someone posted on the forums saying rev 5661 broke it 02:03:01 <kinty> btw, what's the difference between 'Improved Loading Algorithm' and 'FIFO loading' in MiniIn? 02:03:11 *** k-man [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:03:40 <Eddi|zuHause> FIFO loading has more options, like load 80% or something 02:03:50 *** k-man [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has joined #openttd 02:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause> improved loading is what is in trunk, i believe 02:05:59 <Eddi|zuHause> FIFO loading is probably a very bad name for the option... 02:06:04 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:06:13 <kinty> i see 02:09:46 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 02:10:39 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has joined #openttd 02:16:28 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. 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02:37:46 <luckzi> well, uh, if I'm not completely mistaken it's the new orders that break it 02:38:04 <kinty> so it's not that file i should revert? 02:38:22 <luckzi> and I don't know if you can simply take those out. and there's been a sync with the trunk too, lately. 02:38:57 <kinty> i looked at 5661 diff, it's pretty short. not that i understand it anyway 02:39:04 <luckzi> I have no clue which files exactly that patch changes. 02:39:22 <kinty> i checked the SVN page, looks like that's teh only changed file 02:39:54 <kinty> heck, i'm going to compile it 02:40:04 <kbrooks> this might be OT :P 02:40:11 <kbrooks> but 02:40:13 <Gonozal_VIII> 5660? 02:40:34 <kinty> i'm going to get MiniIn-5772, revert economy.c to prev ver, and try 02:40:52 <kbrooks> how exactly ould i use a subsidiary to increase the parent company's rating in a town? 02:41:52 <Gonozal_VIII> make him destroy trees and rebuild them with the other company? 02:42:00 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe^^ 02:46:12 <kinty> um, turns out 5661 changes economy.c and order_cmd.c 02:51:30 <Gonozal_VIII> wow, it really works 02:51:44 <kinty> the transfer? 02:51:48 <Gonozal_VIII> jup 02:51:51 <kinty> cool 02:51:58 <kinty> u reverted both files? 02:52:10 <Gonozal_VIII> only economy.c 02:52:25 <Gonozal_VIII> 5660 02:52:38 <kinty> aha 02:52:42 <kinty> i'm testing mine now 02:53:23 <Gonozal_VIII> current svn + this file... build... works^^ 02:53:27 <kinty> might take a while since my boss is walking to and fro behind me 02:55:32 <Gonozal_VIII> don't know if this breaks something else 02:57:07 *** magus_x [n=magus@201-10-54-47.pltce7005.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 02:57:15 <magus_x> i know this isn't a linux support channel 02:57:24 <magus_x> but, how can i add command line parameters 02:57:26 <DesktopMan> good for you :) 02:57:26 <magus_x> in linux? 02:57:28 *** magus_x [n=magus@201-10-54-47.pltce7005.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["Fui embora"] 02:58:24 *** magus_x [n=magus@201-10-54-47.pltce7005.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 02:58:25 <magus_x> oops 02:58:52 <kinty> yay, mine works too 02:58:58 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 02:59:09 <magus_x> anyone knows? 02:59:16 <magus_x> how do command line parameters in linux? 02:59:19 <kinty> MiniIn-5722 + pre-5661 economy.c adn order_cmd.c 02:59:28 <kinty> what distro are you using? 02:59:37 <magus_x> ubuntu 02:59:43 <magus_x> ( sorry, new on it ) 03:00:16 <kinty> i'm not sure, but try runnig alacarte menu editor 03:00:30 <kinty> and edit the corresponding app's property 03:00:40 <kinty> alacarte is in accessories i think 03:00:59 <magus_x> i dont have it :/ 03:01:01 <Gonozal_VIII> bug seems to be somewhere between 5660 and 5661 of the economy.c file.. can't be that much code.. 03:01:13 <magus_x> but i found the equivalent 03:01:44 <magus_x> done 03:01:46 <magus_x> thanks 03:02:37 <magus_x> man 03:02:39 <magus_x> i dont know 03:02:45 <magus_x> why my shortcuts dont works :( 03:03:01 <magus_x> they simply dont works :/ 03:03:43 <Gonozal_VIII> i didn't even know that there are shortcuts in linux 03:03:52 <magus_x> :~ 03:04:01 <magus_x> at least i think there are 03:04:02 <magus_x> lol 03:04:32 <kinty> i think they are called Links 03:05:03 <magus_x> i tested a link for openttd 03:05:10 <magus_x> it created 2 directories in my desktop 03:05:12 <magus_x> and dont opened 03:05:17 <magus_x> save and scenario i think 03:05:18 <magus_x> LOL 03:06:08 <Gonozal_VIII> a shortcut that creates directories^^ linux is funny 03:06:23 <magus_x> yeah 03:06:29 <magus_x> Imo weird 03:06:53 <magus_x> nice 03:07:00 <magus_x> at least the openttd shortcut worked 03:07:02 <magus_x> but cube not :( 03:07:18 <kinty> you need to change the working directory before running openttd i think 03:08:21 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc6745112031.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:08:28 <magus_x> openttd worked now 03:08:31 <magus_x> but only it 03:08:33 <magus_x> lol 03:09:41 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc6745112031.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 03:18:47 <magus_x> at least my 3d drivers are ok= 03:18:48 <magus_x> =o 03:19:19 <kinty> try automatix 03:19:23 <kinty> getautomatix.com 03:19:28 <kinty> make things much easier 03:19:39 <magus_x> what it is? 03:20:28 <kinty> it's a script that automatically downloads and installs useful stuff 03:20:37 <kinty> seriously makes life easier 03:20:55 <magus_x> better than aptget? 03:20:57 <kinty> will download nvidia drivers too 03:21:00 <kinty> it works on top of that 03:21:04 <kinty> it's like a wrapper 03:21:12 <magus_x> well, ubuntu have the synaptic 03:21:15 <magus_x> very good 03:21:25 <magus_x> it downloaded the nvidia with only a click 03:21:27 <kinty> automatix saves the hassle 03:21:30 <kinty> htey complement each other 03:21:38 <magus_x> restarted x and done 03:21:38 <magus_x> =o 03:21:43 <magus_x> i will check it 03:21:46 <kinty> what abt the mp3 codex, media players, etc etc 03:21:56 <kinty> flash plugins, java, etc 03:22:01 <kinty> automatix gets all this in a flash 03:22:17 <kbrooks> lol 03:22:17 <magus_x> well 03:22:18 <kbrooks> pun 03:22:20 <magus_x> i need mp3 codec 03:22:21 <magus_x> lol 03:22:24 <kbrooks> "in a flash" 03:22:38 <kinty> :) 03:22:59 <magus_x> :) 03:27:40 <magus_x> the music on ottd dont works in linux? 03:28:06 <kinty> you need to install timidity, but i don't recommend that, as the CPU usage is ridiculous 03:28:20 <kinty> better to convert them to ogg, and play them in the background using whatever media player 03:28:27 <magus_x> oh, ok thanks 03:28:37 <magus_x> i hate those music anyway 03:28:38 <magus_x> =p 03:31:16 <Triffid_Hunter> I play di.fm's goapsy stream while playing usually ;) 03:31:24 <magus_x> :P 03:51:04 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 04:15:37 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:26:27 *** Guest56 [i=Gono@N717P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 04:43:11 *** Gonozal_VIII [i=Gono@N892P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:46:52 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 04:54:43 *** Born-Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCE85B2.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:05:04 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 05:24:37 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-203-51-16-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:25:32 <BurningFeetMan> heya, I'll test the new release on the front page over the next couple of weeks. 05:52:46 <mikk36> :) 05:53:43 <BurningFeetMan> What -choo smiling at ? 05:55:31 <BurningFeetMan> STOP LYING MATEX 05:56:16 <mikk36> :) 05:57:21 <BurningFeetMan> *scratches head* 05:59:13 <mikk36> ;) 05:59:30 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:00:29 <BurningFeetMan> Are you asking me on a date? 06:00:55 <mikk36> nah 06:01:02 <mikk36> just confusing u 06:02:03 <BurningFeetMan> Oh :( but I have candles, and a table cloth :( 06:02:11 <BurningFeetMan> You could bring the chicken 06:02:51 <mikk36> aint i a bit too far from u ? 06:03:12 <mikk36> u're like... on the other side of the world :) 06:03:32 <BurningFeetMan> Australia is pretty close to everything these days. 06:03:41 <BurningFeetMan> Besides, I'd make a trip out of it. 06:04:08 <mikk36> lol 06:04:18 <mikk36> still, thank you bot no thanks 06:04:21 <mikk36> but* 06:05:01 <BurningFeetMan> Ahh well. I gotta be in it to win it. I guess it's back to ice cream and razor blades for me then. 06:05:46 <mikk36> razor blades ? 06:05:58 <BurningFeetMan> ;_; 06:06:25 <BurningFeetMan> I can't wait to finish work today. Gah, so sick of sales. 06:06:49 <mikk36> hmm.. working on sales management ? 06:08:06 <BurningFeetMan> I'm a draftsman designer. I work with a sales team who rarely know the product :( 06:09:54 <mikk36> nice :P 06:09:59 <mikk36> A girl comes to the petshop and asks if she can buy a rabbit. The shopkeeper asks: "Would you rather have the one with the long ears and sweet big brown eyes or the nice brown spotted one with fluffy fur?" The girl says: "Doesnt matter, my python doesn't give a damn" 06:11:16 <BurningFeetMan> heh :) 06:12:54 *** hylje [i=hylje@194.187.214.214] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:14:52 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3CF3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:16:11 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:18:26 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FBF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:18:30 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 06:19:49 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 06:21:15 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-203-51-16-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]"] 06:22:02 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r5798 /trunk/road_map.c: 06:22:02 <CIA-5> - Fix [r5062]: When expanding a town, the test to check if a tile is a 06:22:02 <CIA-5> road depot also excluded all non-road tile types (i.e. bridges/tunnels 06:22:02 <CIA-5> with road.) 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(: 10:36:43 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:39:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76803.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:42:21 <RichK67_wrk> yup - been stuck in the 2040s for the last 4-5 days :( 10:45:26 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35AA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 10:48:01 <Zavior> Someone gotta idle it to 2050 :P 10:50:14 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:50:16 *** smeding_ [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:50:26 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 10:52:02 *** smeding_ is now known as smeding 11:01:02 *** Sacro [n=ben@213.249.248.79] has joined #openttd 11:04:49 <luckzi> [11:28:03] [@peter1138] hmm, wmp isn't very good with ogg :/ <- as if it was good with anything 11:11:39 <peter1138> it's fine with wma & mp3 11:12:03 <Guest56> not with large playlists 11:12:16 <Sacro> WMP IS CRP 11:13:01 <luckzi> it doesn't support a good lot of the things you can do with mp3s and.. well yes, there is no reason to have wma files. 11:13:17 <Guest56> i like wma 11:13:52 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 11:14:09 <Sacro> i hate it 11:17:18 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 11:19:28 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 11:19:29 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC4D77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:32 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5801 /trunk/win32.c: - Codechange: The exception dialog showed the last modification-date of win32.c instead of the last compilation-date. Use __DATE__ __TIME__ instead of __TIMESTAMP__; only affected windows not built with mingw/cygwin. 11:36:45 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:44:01 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 11:45:25 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:45:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 11:47:38 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@82-37-135-45.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:57:28 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5802 /branches/TGP/ (7 files in 2 dirs): [TGP] -Add: an abort button on the world generation progress window, so one can abort the generation. 12:03:12 <Guest56> hmm with planespeed patch aircraft speedup set to 8 acceleration seems pretty low, the planeset concorde doesn't reach its topspeed even to the opposite corner of a 2048^2 map 12:13:08 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@82-37-135-45.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by 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the game is to get as much as possible goods transported ;) 13:00:10 <Kjetil> looks random to me 13:01:17 <Kjetil> oh wait 13:01:20 <Zavior> XeryusTC knows 13:01:25 <Zavior> Enlighten us 13:01:37 <XeryusTC> hum? 13:02:32 <Zavior> Read few lines above 13:03:17 <XeryusTC> uhm, it's not something i discovered 13:03:20 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp83-237-234-239.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:03:36 <XeryusTC> #openttdcoop did, but it seems to be true 13:04:05 <Kjetil> Mines also uses industry_cmd ? 13:04:51 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:05:07 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 13:05:13 <TinoM> i've 6 trainstations at coalmines atm, enough trains and at every coalmine 60%-70% transported, thats the max 13:05:52 <hylje> so 60-70% is the optimal? 13:06:32 <XeryusTC> 60-75% 13:06:40 <Kjetil> As far as I understand it's random 13:07:06 <hylje> somewhat 13:07:22 <hylje> but ive had well-serviced mines increase output from 50-100 to 300 13:08:15 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 13:08:39 <XeryusTC> ive had mines rice from ~100 to ~800 13:09:07 <hylje> wasnt there a bug of sorts that prevented growth 13:12:12 <TinoM> but should'nt the transportrate 100% when there is always a train waiting? regardless the output? 13:16:10 <TinoM> and there seems to be a difference with the raw materials : oil ~83% / coal 70% / wood 83% transported (always a train waiting and loading) 13:16:27 <TinoM> using 0.4.8-RC2 here 13:16:44 <ChrisM87> nope the transport rate depends on your station rating 13:16:44 <peter1138> built any statues? 13:16:59 <ChrisM87> which depends on other factors, like the train speed, your popularity etc. 13:19:11 <TinoM> hmmm, no, no statues 13:19:12 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:19:49 <TinoM> there are much less multiplayer 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<peter1138> oh god, not that bjarni bloke 16:25:34 <Bjarni> 'Boolean' cheats, such as Magic Bulldozer and Build While Paused do not appear to have any effect, on trunk revision 4988 (tested on Mac OS X 10.4.6 PowerPC, though this probably generalizes to other systems) 16:25:41 <Bjarni> I just tried that on the head revision 16:25:46 <Bjarni> it works here 16:25:56 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:56 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181070111.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:25:59 <peter1138> 4988 is pretty old... 16:27:37 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host72-174.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 16:27:49 <Wolf01> yo 16:28:03 <Bjarni> yeah 16:28:32 <Bjarni> works in 4988 as well 16:29:34 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-135-24.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 16:30:16 <Bjarni> ahh, endian issue 16:35:02 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 16:36:51 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B60ED2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:40:07 <Tron> ftp://tron.homeunix.org/ottd/slope.png 16:40:35 <Wolf01> oh finally 16:41:32 <hylje> nice 16:41:57 <hylje> can you do turns in slopes like that too? 16:43:02 <Wolf01> i think is only a foundation problem 16:45:10 <Tron> ? 16:46:46 *** joed__ [n=James@CPE-124-176-193-17.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:47:13 <Wolf01> to build these tracks you need 2 foundations, one over the other 16:48:05 <Wolf01> what about diagonal foundations? would allow more track configs 16:49:23 <Tron> there is no concept like "multiple foundations". there's just no single sprite with the appropriate slope adjustment 16:51:06 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:51:47 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:51:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:53:48 <Wolf01> i meant this: http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/diagonal_foundation.PNG 16:55:22 *** joed_ [n=James@124.180.7.175] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:56:03 <CIA-5> bjarni * r5805 /trunk/variables.h: 16:56:03 <CIA-5> -Fix: FS#189 Boolean cheats do not work 16:56:03 <CIA-5> This turned out to be an endian issue affecting all big endian computers (Vernon aka ploppy) 16:56:37 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 16:57:09 <Bjarni> ok, two tasks on flyspray closed :) 16:58:45 <Bjarni> "I have some changes to configure, et al so that one can run ./configure and get working makefiles" <-- do you think that there is an English version of that text as well 16:58:53 <Bjarni> my Engrish is a bit rusty :p 16:59:12 <Bjarni> "et al so that".... wtf 16:59:32 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 17:00:36 <Brianetta> et al? 17:00:51 <Wolf01> maybe "at all" 17:00:59 <Brianetta> maybe just backspace 17:01:27 <Brianetta> et al means "and all" and is used to credit an ensemble 17:01:35 <Brianetta> OpenTTD, by Celestar, Tron et al 17:02:10 <hylje> is the "turbo" mode how fast compared to normal speed 17:02:24 <Bjarni> hylje: impossible to say 17:02:47 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@ip503c308c.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:02:58 <Bjarni> fast forward skips the wait between each tick, so when it's done calculating everything for a tick, it just moves on to the next without waiting 17:03:00 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 17:03:05 <hylje> so it just eats all the power it can get 17:03:06 <Bjarni> so it depends on your CPU 17:03:12 <Wolf01> is "how fast your computer can do", in my laptop is like 4x, in the desktop is 2x 17:03:34 <Bjarni> so if you disable full animations, ff will be faster 17:03:47 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@ip503c308c.speed.planet.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:03:54 <hylje> so we need to get OTTD multithreaded to get instant 1920-2051 on supercomputers 17:04:09 <Bjarni> :p 17:04:26 <Bjarni> be careful on notebooks though... it really eats up the battery compared to normal speed 17:05:19 <hylje> hehe 17:05:52 <Bjarni> <hylje> so we need to get OTTD multithreaded to get instant 1920-2051 on supercomputers <-- the cocoa drivers (OSX) are threaded so you can actually benefit from dualcore CPUs 17:06:06 <Bjarni> the graphical stuff and midi stuff got their own threads 17:06:15 <Sacro> heh, i remember a game on brianettas nightly, that on turbo mode went no faster than normal 17:06:16 <Bjarni> well, parts of them anyway 17:06:30 <Naksu> Bjarni: well, they dont really have equal weights :) 17:06:45 <Tron> <Brianetta> et al? <--- short for "et altera", latin for "and others" 17:07:03 <Bjarni> ff will desync any network game since keeping games in sync needs control of the speed 17:07:08 <Bjarni> hence ff is disabled in MP 17:07:14 <Bjarni> you can't activate it 17:07:23 <Tron> not entierly true 17:07:39 <hylje> so we need a lowest common detominator(sp?) polling and use that as the max speed 17:07:41 <Tron> actually quite far from that 17:07:54 <hylje> Tron: is that so? 17:08:11 <Bjarni> well, if the server is faster than the clients, then the clients can't keep up and will get the desync message 17:08:18 *** joed__ [n=James@CPE-124-176-193-17.vic.bigpond.net.au] has left #openttd ["Client exiting"] 17:08:24 <Bjarni> that's why we disabled the feature in MP long ago 17:08:28 <Tron> the server tells what's the max frame the clients my go to, if the server increases this limit faster the game runs faster 17:08:48 <Tron> but there's no mechanism implemented so a client can say "i can't keep up with this speed" 17:09:17 <hylje> oh yes 17:09:23 <hylje> that "waiting for players.." display 17:09:32 <hylje> which most RTS games have 17:09:42 <Tron> <Bjarni> the graphical stuff and midi stuff got their own threads <-- no, graphics is in the main loop, just like all the game logic 17:10:48 <Naksu> Tron: i'm not coder, but could you just have the client send an ACK after processing a frame? that way you wouldn't even have to rely on sanity of the client :) 17:11:44 <Tron> this would probably double the latency. what do you mean by "rely on sanity of the client"? 17:12:03 <Wolf01> tron, is possible to place a station which is not a station? (no name, no listing, no vehicle can use it) 17:12:12 <Bjarni> it got a thread when the screen is copied to the system... odds are that other systems might work as way as well, but I haven't investigated other OSes. The fact remains that OTTD uses 3 threads on OSX 17:12:28 <Bjarni> most of the CPU load is in just one of them though 17:13:17 <Naksu> Tron: a client possibly isn't reporting right values to the server. it could tell the server "i'm coping just fine" when in fact the game runs 5 years behind on the client 17:13:18 <Tron> well, what the system does after OTTD rendered into its frame buffer is no ottd's business 17:13:32 <Naksu> but then again that's something that involves hacked clients 17:13:34 <Bjarni> so the speed boost for using a dualcore/multiple CPU system is minimal (if you look apart from the fact that one thread can use up one core alone and the OS works on the other one) 17:13:36 <Tron> but rendering and game logic is handled in the same thread in ottd 17:13:55 <Tron> Naksu: and? that's the problem of the client, not the server 17:14:29 <Tron> Naksu: there's nothing a client can do to corrupt the game state this way 17:15:03 <Bjarni> if we implement a way for a client to say "wait for me", then somebody could make it say that all the time to spoil the fun for other people 17:15:07 <Bjarni> sad, but true 17:15:20 <hylje> Bjarni: well people can sabotage others too 17:15:37 <Bjarni> our goal is to minimise the risk of that happening, not increase it 17:15:37 <hylje> Bjarni: theres no cure for jerks but bancannon works too 17:15:47 <Naksu> Tron: as i said i'm not a coder, just had an urge to blurt out something :) 17:16:10 * Sacro sniggers 17:16:43 <Tron> Bjarni: there are other ways to bring the game to a crawl already 17:16:57 <smeding> hmm 17:16:57 <DesktopMan> like 4800*2400. :/ 17:17:02 <Tron> Wolf01: i don't get the picture 17:17:05 <smeding> i want my TTD CD back D: 17:17:06 *** netgert [i=Gert@217-159-144-253-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 17:17:23 <Wolf01> strange 17:17:24 <Tron> Wolf01: what do you mean by "station which isn't a station"? 17:17:47 <Tron> what's strange? 17:17:57 <Wolf01> that you can't get the picture 17:18:16 <Tron> what's so strange about it? 17:18:31 <Wolf01> you can't or you don't want? 17:18:32 <Tron> i have no clue what you're trying to tell me with the picture 17:19:01 <Tron> "to get sth." -> roughly "to understand sth." 17:19:15 <Wolf01> wait, i misunderstood all the phrase 17:19:35 <hylje> all the phrase are belong to us ? 17:19:56 <Wolf01> i mean if is possible to have diagonal foundations 17:20:14 <Wolf01> to be able to place a track there (where is - - - - ) 17:20:45 <Wolf01> now is -/\-/\-, i want ------ 17:20:49 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:15 <glx> Wolf01: the picture is enough, no need try ASCII art :) 17:21:31 *** Born-Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCE85B2.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 17:21:42 <Wolf01> tron doesn't understand :P 17:22:42 <Tron> is this a recent screenshot? 17:22:49 <Wolf01> i made it now 17:23:05 <Tron> the bottom most foundation seems wrong 17:23:21 <Tron> which version of ottd is this? 17:24:01 <Wolf01> NB r5148 17:24:11 <Wolf01> the latest with magic bridges 17:24:50 <glx> check in latest trunk before complaining :) 17:25:04 <Tron> a non-standard build, nvm then 17:26:55 <Wolf01> i think that in the trunk there isn't what i want 17:32:30 <CIA-5> tron * r5806 /trunk/ (functions.h landscape.c openttd.h viewport.c): Inline FindLandscapeHeight() into its only remaining caller and remove the attribute "type" from struct TileInfo 17:35:21 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:37:26 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCE85B2.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:39:00 <Wolf01> tron, that is what i meant: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=21377&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc 17:39:50 *** publunch [n=publunch@87.114.22.236.bbplus.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:42:59 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947425.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:20 <ln-> is this photograph a fake or not: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/m/PICT5149.JPG 17:43:30 <Tron> 999 down, 104 more to go 17:49:26 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:50:57 <Bjarni> ln-: fake 17:51:34 <hylje> :o 17:51:51 <Bjarni> the pilot used his parachute and is lower than the plane. I would say that odds are that the plane will go faster than the pilot when going down 17:52:06 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:52:21 <ln-> remember that the pilot is ejected with quite a velocity. 17:52:27 <Sacro> depends which way the ejector seat points 17:52:32 <Bjarni> the plane will accelerate and is streamlined while the pilot would brake down to 200 km/h unless he uses his parachute 17:52:53 <Bjarni> so when he ejects, they got the same downward speed, but since he brakes and the plane accelerates... 17:53:27 <Bjarni> I think it's actually at least 3 pictures 17:53:33 <ln-> the photograph is at Deutsches Museum, Munich. i don't know why would they want to use a faked photograph. 17:53:35 <DesktopMan> looks cut and pasted to me 17:53:56 <Bjarni> one of the plane on the ground (it's rotated), one is the pilot and one is the rest 17:54:42 <DesktopMan> do those planes always have the landing gear out? 17:54:47 <Bjarni> ln-: now that's a good question... I still say it looks fake 17:54:50 <SpComb> and the shadows on the plane :P 17:55:00 <Bjarni> DesktopMan: no, only when landing and taking off 17:55:17 <SpComb> the top of the near wing is brightly lit, whereas in the tractor, the shadow stretch towards you 17:55:20 <DesktopMan> then there is little chance the plane would have that angle with the landing gear out 17:55:51 <DesktopMan> I mean, can you even get that angle ? :D 17:56:03 <Sacro> yes 17:56:10 <Sacro> well, on flighsims you can 17:56:25 <DesktopMan> yeah but what's the chance of getting it without trying 17:56:32 <DesktopMan> he probably wasn't showing off 17:56:35 <Bjarni> damn, Celestar is not here 17:56:43 <Bjarni> he is a plane expert 17:56:44 <Sacro> errm, 1 in 360² 17:56:50 <ln-> and he's from Munich 17:56:59 <Sacro> thats to the nearest degree... 17:57:14 <Sacro> or maybe 360³ actually 17:57:19 *** publunch [n=publunch@87.113.24.79.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:31 <DesktopMan> no smoke from it either 17:57:52 <Bjarni> ln-: you cut off the text :p 17:58:19 <ln-> i didn't notice it back there. 17:59:26 <publunch> Does this 'buy exclusive transport rights' thingy work? 17:59:58 <publunch> Like a competitor is still making money from buses right after I've bought the rights. 18:00:08 <hylje> publunch: of course, it drops everyones but your ratings to 0% 18:00:32 <hylje> so they dont get any more items to move 18:00:39 <publunch> I see. 18:02:07 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:14 <Kjetil> Bjarni: as discussed earlier today : Is there any reason for which transporting more than 75% of a mines production would cause it to decrease production ? 18:13:19 <Wolf01> who coded the newstation feature? 18:14:57 <Bjarni> Kjetil: good question... I will have to think about that one 18:15:00 <Bjarni> bbl dinner 18:16:26 <Sacro> Wolf01: peter1138! 18:16:35 <Wolf01> peeeeeter 18:19:54 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCE85B2.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 18:34:04 *** sayno [n=sayno@ppp-168-253-11-171.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:44 *** Born-Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCE85B2.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:50:26 <Bjarni> back 18:52:41 <Bjarni> Kjetil: about the mining thing, I can't really come up with a good reason why production would drop right away if it produces a lot. If anything, it should count the total amount transported away and use that as "now it delivered 50k tons, now it's about to run dry" or something like that 18:53:17 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:53:30 <Bjarni> it would risk running dry (use a random max on it, not a fixed max) faster if it is mined harder 18:53:43 <Bjarni> the amount of ore/coal in the ground would still be the same ;) 18:54:33 <Kjetil> Bjarni: yeah, it seamed wierd to me to. 19:01:36 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 19:06:17 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:12:59 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-227-127.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:19:11 <Gonozal_VIII> mines could have a random ammount at the beginning and mine every month e.g. 1% of the new ammount... when the monthly output drops below a certain point, the mine closes down 19:19:57 *** publunch [n=publunch@87.113.24.79.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 19:28:32 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 19:28:45 *** publunch [n=publunch@87.113.24.79.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:29:55 <luckzi> Gonozal_VIII: and then your millions worth of tracks are rendered worthless :p 19:30:36 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35AA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:30:49 <Gonozal_VIII> i thought that was the point of the whole mine closing down thing^^ 19:31:58 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 19:33:50 <hylje> yeh would make management harder 19:34:12 <hylje> and imho would need track age tracking 19:34:33 <hylje> so new track can be removed with income, old track removing costs 19:34:39 *** magus_x [n=magus@201-40-141-205.pltce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Success] 19:34:46 <hylje> so old, unused tracks would be left there. realism? :> 19:35:14 <Bjarni> then we should be able to set a flag "do not maintain" or something like that 19:35:15 <Gonozal_VIII> speed limit for old tracks... 19:35:19 <hylje> yeh 19:35:34 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:35:36 <hylje> and that do not maintain flag should be on track-basis 19:35:42 <hylje> from junction to junction or ending 19:35:48 <Bjarni> you know, you can only be sure that there will be no trains on a track when the rails are removed 19:36:30 <hylje> elaborate 19:37:01 <Bjarni> even abandoned tracks on locked down lines will sometimes carry trains 19:37:57 <hylje> lets not remove those tracks 19:38:12 <hylje> they just get given a low speed limit and for bridges a chance to fail 19:39:01 <Bjarni> we can add a risk of derailment everywhere and increase that risk with lower maintenance 19:39:11 <Bjarni> the same goes for bridges 19:39:19 <Gonozal_VIII> sounds cool 19:39:20 <hylje> make that 0.1 or less with maintained track 19:39:40 <Bjarni> derailment every 10th tile? 19:39:45 <Bjarni> now that's way too often 19:39:46 <hylje> heheh 19:39:48 <hylje> 0.1% or less 19:40:19 <hylje> but derailments should be recoverable, not like crashes (unless the derailed train went down a hill or such 19:40:50 <Gonozal_VIII> pull it out with another train? 19:41:19 <Bjarni> derailments happens every day in Peru 19:41:25 <Bjarni> I know a guy, who went there 19:41:27 <hylje> heh 19:41:35 <hylje> derailments happen here once a year at most 19:41:43 <Bjarni> he left the train when it derailed for the 4th time and took the bus instead 19:42:21 <Bjarni> you know, they got tools on their trains so they can get onto the rails without external help if it is just a one or a few bogies, that derailed 19:42:26 <Gonozal_VIII> can't remember any derailments here in austria 19:42:34 <Bjarni> as long as the engine stays on the track, they can fix it 19:42:39 <hylje> heheh 19:42:43 <hylje> cheaper eh 19:42:56 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:43:19 <Bjarni> I think Peru like many other not so rich countries runs on a as close to 0 budget as possible 19:43:43 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:44:15 <Bjarni> that reminds me of a guy, I saw on TV. He travelled to Peru as well and when he saw the engine, he said that it would never last to the destination. It worked all the way 19:44:31 <Bjarni> but it was burning lube oil at a rate that made the smoke completely black 19:44:35 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:45:25 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:45:34 <Bjarni> such a train pollutes like say 20 of our trains or maybe even more 19:45:53 <Bjarni> also the particles causes cancer, so I'm not going to be near it 19:45:56 <hylje> :o 19:47:38 <Bjarni> we would actually do a whole lot more environmental conservation if we used some of the money we spend on it in poor countries, fixing issues like this. It's relatively cheap to fix issues like this and the gain is a lot 19:48:19 <Bjarni> I bet they want to fix them as well (better fuel economy, longer engine lifetime, less repairs), but they just don't have the money to do so 19:50:14 <Bjarni> the same goes to why countries like Cuba still uses steam. It's too expensive to replace since the old engines can be repaired and the local paychecks are so low, that you can pay 10 people to spend half a year fixing an engine and it's still costs near nothing compared to a modern replacement, even a used one 19:55:52 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 19:58:18 *** abhdua [n=user@ganymed.inf.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:59:38 *** Neonox_ [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-229-88.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 20:00:11 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:05:26 *** egladil_ibook [n=egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 20:05:54 *** publunch [n=publunch@87.113.24.79.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:06:34 *** publunch [n=publunch@87.113.24.79.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:43 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 20:07:24 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-135-24.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:08:36 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 20:08:43 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:08:46 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 20:10:58 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D8C5.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 20:13:47 *** egladil [n=egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:18:28 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:28:47 *** Guest56 [i=Gono@N864P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:39:06 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@71-213-115-201.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:18 * Vornicus drops in from vork. 20:39:59 <Vornicus> but actually I had an actual question. 20:40:08 <|Jeroen|> what is vork ? 20:40:10 <Vornicus> Who provides the CIA bot? 20:40:17 <Vornicus> vork is like work, only Vorn is doing it. 20:40:24 <hylje> vork! 20:41:08 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 20:41:16 <glx> Vornicus: http://cia.navi.cx 20:41:48 <Vornicus> Awesome. THank you! 20:46:38 *** Gonozal_VIII [i=Gono@N928P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:46:43 <Tron> ftp://tron.homeunix.org/ottd/slope2.png 20:47:01 <ln-> http://www.ejectionsite.com/thunderbird6.htm 20:47:44 <hylje> nice 20:48:24 <SpComb> hmm 20:53:29 <SpComb> "that sinking feeling..." 20:53:39 <SpComb> that 5 second movie is :o 20:53:45 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181070111.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:53:56 <SpComb> I wonder if the very end of it is the plane impacting the ground and exploding? 20:57:05 <SpComb> watching it in slowmo in VLC 20:57:20 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947425.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gn"] 20:59:04 <Bjarni> Vornicus: ETA on the OSX freetype lib? 20:59:17 <SpComb> that must have looked *really* scary to whoever was watching the feed from the cockpit in the tower 20:59:32 <SpComb> you just suddenly notice a blaze and a ton of sudden motion before the monitor blanks out 20:59:36 <Naksu> btw 20:59:40 <Naksu> what's up with OSX? 20:59:44 <Vornicus> Bjarni: my computer should arrive sometime this week. 20:59:52 <Bjarni> :) 21:00:02 <Naksu> seems like a lot of people who are in charge of osx ports have started loathing apple all of sudden 21:00:03 <Vornicus> (taken long enough...) 21:00:03 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B60ED2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:00:16 <Bjarni> so if you are using UPS, I would say we got the lib by the end of the month 21:00:23 <Vornicus> pff. 21:00:46 <Bjarni> Naksu: what do you mean? 21:01:56 <Bjarni> now that's a new way of transport. Delivering a GPL lib by UPS 21:02:17 <Vornicus> Heh/ 21:02:40 <Bjarni> actually I think it's LGPL, but that's another story 21:02:45 <Naksu> Bjarni: well, i'm on multiple programming-related channels and there's always someone who wants to... vent their frustration towards apple, every day 21:03:05 <Naksu> and some games have started including stuff in their readmes 21:03:26 <Naksu> like absorb, one of the assembly gamedev compo entries. i quote. 21:03:43 <Naksu> Our OSX port maintainer has this to say towards Apple: "Fuck you, Apple. Fuck you." 21:03:48 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:04:07 <Bjarni> Naksu: well, my "issue" here is that I need Vornicus to use his install of OSX 10.3 to compile freetype in a 10.3 compatible way... it's not really that related to how Apple decides to do stuff, it's more like the weird freetype code, that refuses to crosscompile 21:04:08 <Vornicus> Part of the problem with Apple is that they don't spend nearly the amount of time that Microsoft spends on backwards compatibility. 21:05:00 <Bjarni> actually I don't think the issue is that great. You just have to be aware of what to do 21:05:26 <Vornicus> It's really not that huge a problem, no, but once in a while I start screaming. 21:05:28 <Naksu> has apple done something within half a year to upset a lot of port maintainers? 21:05:36 <Vornicus> Yes. 21:05:42 <Vornicus> They switched to Intel. 21:05:48 <Naksu> oh right 21:05:57 <Naksu> i totally forgot about that 21:06:14 <Bjarni> for some reason, that was never a huge issue for OTTD 21:06:36 <Vornicus> It was never a huge issue for OTTD because we have some really awesome OSX devs. 21:06:38 <Naksu> Bjarni: well you had some static/dynamic linking thingy last year 21:06:48 <Bjarni> I mean I got the fully working universal binary two days before Apple released their first intel mac (months before they originally said they would) 21:06:52 <Naksu> Vornicus: that, or maybe they're masochists 21:07:24 <Bjarni> <Naksu> Bjarni: well you had some static/dynamic linking thingy last year <-- that could also be explained by my limited experience with libraries at that time 21:07:50 <Bjarni> I never got any real training in that sort of things. I just learn on a need to know basis for OTTD 21:08:04 <Bjarni> sometimes issues shows up and usually they are solved 21:08:17 <Bjarni> after I have read a lot of stuff 21:08:38 <Naksu> :) 21:09:20 <Bjarni> I would not blame the manufacture for "developer skipped reading the related documentation and produced a flawed product" 21:10:01 <Naksu> i'm thinking of giving ottd modification another go 21:10:07 <Bjarni> that's kind of universal to all OSes. Skip reading documentation and unexpected stuff can happen 21:10:09 <Naksu> maybe i've learned something since my last attempt 21:10:45 <Bjarni> like reading from NULL pointers is a bad idea? 21:10:47 <Bjarni> ;) 21:10:59 <Bjarni> actually I don't remember why you stopped 21:11:17 <Vornicus> woo reading null 21:11:25 <Naksu> i didn't even play around with pointers last time, i tried to modify the airport-handling finite state machine for some reason 21:11:45 <Naksu> but that was like a year ago 21:11:55 <Bjarni> that's one of the things I never looked into 21:12:01 <hylje> Bjarni: dont you think that ottd is portable enough to warrant easy arch change on a platform? 21:12:18 <Naksu> Bjarni: you should 21:12:43 <Vornicus> OTTD is freakishly portable. 21:13:06 * Born_Acorn pats his PSP version 21:13:10 <hylje> is there a thing called "too portable" ? 21:13:40 <Vornicus> I wouldn't call it that exactly, but there is such a thing. 21:13:45 <Naksu> hylje: yes 21:13:58 <Vornicus> It would not be pleasant to, for instance, attempt to shoehorn OTTD onto a C64. 21:14:01 <Naksu> when the code becomes impossible to read due to abstracted abstraction 21:14:09 <Bjarni> hylje: well the only main issue in porting OTTD to a new CPU type was when I was the first to try to run it on a big endian CPU 21:14:20 <Bjarni> when it got endian safe and we never had any problems since 21:14:31 <Bjarni> OS related problems, but not CPU related 21:16:13 <Bjarni> <hylje> Bjarni: dont you think that ottd is portable enough to warrant easy arch change on a platform? <-- yes 21:17:09 <Naksu> endian safe? 21:17:38 <Naksu> using palindromic numbers for all memory io? :) 21:18:13 <Bjarni> well, the code works on big endian and little endian 21:18:19 <Bjarni> what else would you need? 21:18:19 <Vornicus> "endian safe" means that all data is converted to the apropriate endianness for the processor after being read from a file, and all data is converted to a particular endianness before being written. 21:18:31 <Naksu> was joking ;) 21:18:32 <hylje> palindromicness, heh 21:18:34 <Tron> Bjarni: alignment 21:19:00 <Vornicus> and, yes, all data is appropriately aligned to memory boundaries. 21:19:00 <SpComb> middleendian 21:19:11 <Vornicus> NUXI! 21:19:21 <hylje> SpComb: you said it 21:19:29 <hylje> my box is very middle-endian 21:19:31 <Tron> SpComb: ottd doesn't support VAXen 21:20:06 <Bjarni> why would anybody seriously try to run OTTD using anything but big or little endian? 21:20:31 <SpComb> hmm, it was actually a joke, but fun to know that such a thing exists 21:20:53 <hylje> what a middle-endian means anyway 21:21:16 <DesktopMan> middle endian is kinda fucked up 21:21:24 <DesktopMan> don't actually know of any hardware that uses it 21:21:37 <Tron> 4321 <- BE 21:21:38 <Vornicus> middle-endian usually means that you've got a chunk size that's big-endian, and another chunk size that's little-endian. And one is composed of the other. 21:21:40 <Tron> 1234 <- LE 21:21:44 <Tron> 2143 <- ME 21:21:55 <Vornicus> (3412 is also middle-endian) 21:21:55 <hylje> very well 21:22:19 <DesktopMan> guess there would be big and little middle endian 21:22:26 <DesktopMan> depending on the byte order of the otherwise little or big endian bytes 21:22:57 <Tron> bytes are always in the same byte order, because there is just one 21:22:57 <Guest56> :S 21:23:07 <DesktopMan> Tron: I mean for larger data types 21:23:10 <DesktopMan> and it's individual bytes 21:23:24 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A017.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:23:29 <DesktopMan> reason enough to not use middle endian imo :P 21:23:33 <Tron> but there's also bit order. if you have to take care of that it gets really messy 21:24:08 * Vornicus fiddles with svn, trying to make the server do active update notification. 21:24:35 <Vornicus> CIA sadly won't do me any good because it's a closed system. 21:24:43 <DesktopMan> yeah ibm likes reverse bit counting 21:26:33 * Vornicus still wonders why intel chose little-endian. 21:26:43 <Naksu> Vornicus: because they could 21:29:10 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:29:47 <Naksu> maybe it's for the flexibility? 21:30:34 <Naksu> quoting wikipedia: 21:30:49 <Naksu> a 32 bit variable in memory such as 00 00 00 4A can be read at the same address as either 8 bit (4A), 16 bit (00 4A), or 32 bit (00 00 00 4A) as long as its value stays within bounds. Big-endian cannot do this because the relative location of the least significant byte(s) change with the overall width of the variable. 21:31:17 <Naksu> but well, that's a stupid reason to decide anything 21:31:24 <DesktopMan> doing alot of hex editing I prefer big endian. 21:32:19 *** mikk36 [n=mikk36@pc79.host2.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:33:39 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-163-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:35:11 * Wolf01 Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A Start 21:35:11 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:35:21 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host72-174.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 21:36:11 <Naksu> speaking of hex editing, win32api is pretty nice 21:36:57 <Naksu> you can make scriptable gui programs "silent" by mangling their createwindow(ex)-calls with a hex editor 21:39:12 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 21:39:34 *** mikk36 [n=mikk36@pc79.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 21:39:36 *** Neonox_ [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-229-88.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 21:41:18 <Vornicus> He gets himself 30 lives and /then/ goes to bed. 21:41:48 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:44:24 <Eddi|zuHause> <Bjarni> now that's a new way of transport. Delivering a GPL lib by UPS <- IP over UPS? ;) 21:44:30 *** netgert [i=Gert@217-159-144-253-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has quit [] 21:44:57 <Kjetil> Sounds like X development when the internet was down in the 80s 21:45:06 <Eddi|zuHause> should be slightly more reliable than IP over Pigeons ;) 21:50:35 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 21:54:21 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 22:14:10 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A017.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 22:20:57 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:21:12 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:23:53 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:23:55 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:29:12 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-227-127.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:29:49 *** Spocoo [i=Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-100.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 22:29:57 *** dst_ [n=dennis@ncs.stosberg.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:30:02 *** dst_ [n=dennis@ncs.stosberg.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:59 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:31:16 *** mikk36 [n=mikk36@pc79.host2.starman.ee] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:31:37 *** mikk36 [n=mikk36@pc79.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:35:08 *** magus_x [n=magus@200.203.62.163] has joined #openttd 22:40:20 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778858.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 22:40:57 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778858.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 22:40:58 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778858.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:44:17 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778858.access.telenet.be] has quit [Client Quit] 22:44:51 *** JohnUK89 [n=JohnUK89@host217-32-133-24.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 22:45:12 <JohnUK89> Ello :) 22:46:08 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit ["Connection not reset by peer."] 22:46:23 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 22:50:41 <mikk36> mornin' :) 22:51:57 *** Sacro_ [n=ben@adsl-83-100-227-127.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:52:29 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-227-127.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 22:54:27 <JohnUK89> Mornin Mikk 22:54:51 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 22:56:47 <JohnUK89> Ok connections from mobiles are useless lol 22:57:09 <magus_x> lol 22:57:24 <JohnUK89> And just to think I wanted to play OTTD through a GPRS connection :p 22:58:11 <Vornicus> that would have been, um. 22:58:11 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:58:13 <Vornicus> batshit. 22:58:27 <JohnUK89> Yeah lol 22:58:42 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:43 <JohnUK89> Either that or 56k :-/ 23:03:13 <JohnUK89> Actually, I would rather use the 56k lol more stable :p 23:05:00 <mikk36> lol 23:05:11 <mikk36> 56k has a lot better ping too 23:05:16 <mikk36> what's the ping there ?= 23:05:28 <mikk36> i had about 1.8s ping 23:05:33 <mikk36> or 0.8 23:05:39 <mikk36> can't remember exactly 23:05:44 <mikk36> mmyeah 23:05:56 * mikk36 np: Queen - Another one bites the dust 23:06:04 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:06:19 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:49 <mikk36> hmm... mail systems are strangely sleep today 23:07:10 <mikk36> last mail arrived 15 minutes later than it should have 23:07:17 <mikk36> now i'm still waiting 23:07:35 <mikk36> i'm used to 5 seconds transport :) 23:07:47 <mikk36> over the world 23:09:09 *** JohnUK89 [n=JohnUK89@host217-32-133-24.webport.bt.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:10:59 *** JohnUK89 [n=JohnUK89@host217-32-124-35.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:17 <JohnUK89> Apologies lol phone crashed 23:11:28 <JohnUK89> Ping here is 900ms-ish 23:11:49 <mikk36> phone crashed ? 23:11:57 <mikk36> what shit is it ? 23:12:06 <JohnUK89> Yeah lol stupid thing 23:12:10 <glx> windows mobile? 23:12:17 <JohnUK89> Nokia 6810 :s 23:12:19 <mikk36> lol 23:12:23 <mikk36> no wonder then 23:12:31 <mikk36> nokia powa :) 23:12:32 <JohnUK89> Java applets...crap things 23:12:53 <JohnUK89> Yeah lol 23:12:57 <mikk36> i'm using alcatel myself 23:12:58 <Sacro> ooh, phone irc 23:13:13 <mikk36> sacro, rather gprs-modem -> laptop ? 23:13:13 <JohnUK89> Trusts me to try joining #ubuntu tho lol 23:13:37 <JohnUK89> Nah just on phone atm 23:13:42 <mikk36> oh, hehe 23:13:46 <Sacro> dont join #ubuntu, they are a bunch of fags 23:13:59 <mikk36> ubuntu itself is shit :) 23:13:59 <JohnUK89> Normally on pc via bluetooth tho 23:14:07 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:14:08 <Sacro> mikk36: true 23:14:13 <Sacro> :O they killed DV 23:14:17 <JohnUK89> Lol im normally a fedora user 23:14:19 <mikk36> yah 23:14:21 <mikk36> bastards 23:14:30 <Sacro> ooh, CentOS ftw 23:14:35 <mikk36> :P 23:14:43 <mikk36> Gentoo ftw :) 23:14:43 <JohnUK89> Lol 23:14:59 <Sacro> oh no 23:15:07 <mikk36> oh yeah 23:15:09 <JohnUK89> Nah AmigaOS ftw :D 23:15:22 <mikk36> zomg... O.O 23:15:24 <Sacro> Workbench 1.3 :D 23:15:29 <JohnUK89> Hehe 23:15:42 <Sacro> i miss my A501 23:15:48 <mikk36> but still, i'd take Windows 1.0 :) 23:15:51 <JohnUK89> Prefer OS3.1 meself lol 23:16:15 <mikk36> windows 1.0 - bugfest :P 23:16:19 <Sacro> workbench 1.3 is miles ahead of win 1.0 23:16:21 <JohnUK89> Shame me only real amiga is an A500 :( 23:17:12 <JohnUK89> Need some money for an AmigaOne :-D 23:18:11 <mikk36> hmm, brb 23:18:19 *** mikk36 [n=mikk36@pc79.host2.starman.ee] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:18:29 <JohnUK89> Brb meself 23:18:30 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-82-222.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:18:46 <Sacro> WHY IS MY INTERNET BEING SO RETARDED :@ 23:19:11 <JohnUK89> Probably because im connected to freenode :p 23:19:29 <JohnUK89> Im always cursing connections 23:20:51 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:21:53 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:23:50 *** mikk36 [n=mikk36@pc128.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 23:24:01 <JohnUK89> Wb mikk 23:24:17 <mikk36> :) 23:24:26 <mikk36> i'm upgrading my router 23:24:31 <mikk36> changing the board etc 23:24:47 <JohnUK89> Lol lucky for some i cant even get broadband 23:24:48 <mikk36> right now i'll hook up 2 routers to my lan :P 23:25:02 <mikk36> 1 for internet, 1 for configurating (the new one) 23:25:14 <mikk36> also i 23:25:14 <SpComb> linux boxes or some plastic cans? 23:25:20 <mikk36> i'll get wifi with that move :) 23:25:27 <mikk36> will move from m0n0wall to pfsense 23:25:36 <mikk36> freebsd actually ;) 23:25:39 <JohnUK89> Lol 23:25:41 <mikk36> usual pc board 23:25:44 <SpComb> hmm, close enough 23:26:02 <mikk36> old one: Celeron 500, intel 440BX based faulty board 23:26:22 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 23:26:25 <mikk36> new: Athlon 750Mhz, some VIA based board (fully working) 23:26:47 <JohnUK89> Lol i love me 440bx board :p 23:26:57 <mikk36> i'd love too, but it's faulty :( 23:27:09 <JohnUK89> Superpower p2bxa...overclocks well :p 23:27:11 <mikk36> it's hard to love then :P 23:27:54 <JohnUK89> Hehe 23:28:27 * JohnUK89 /me has a nice collection of old pcs lol 23:28:34 <mikk36> damn the cpu fan makes huge noise 23:28:51 <mikk36> will silence it when i'll fit it under the table 23:29:12 <mikk36> also will propably change the radiator 23:29:58 <JohnUK89> Lol 23:30:27 <JohnUK89> I got way too much noise coming from my systems when theyre on 23:32:03 * SpComb likes his computers as well 23:32:04 <mikk36> i always silence as much as i can:) 23:32:37 <JohnUK89> Im not TOO fussed bout noise...least it doesnt keep me awake :p 23:34:49 <mikk36> :P 23:35:05 <mikk36> well. the noise i'm hearing right now is like... the vacuum cleaner is on :P 23:35:12 <mikk36> ok, starting to install pfsense 23:35:18 <JohnUK89> Ewww :s 23:35:30 <JohnUK89> @ Vaccuum lol 23:35:36 <mikk36> no really 23:35:42 <mikk36> it's VERY loud 23:35:52 <mikk36> 60x60 fan, full power 23:36:01 <JohnUK89> Damn, that must suck 23:37:01 <JohnUK89> I use them Panaflo fans, very quiet 23:37:13 <mikk36> i use random ones and lower the voltage 23:37:15 <mikk36> :) 23:37:17 <JohnUK89> 21dB 23:37:36 <JohnUK89> Aah lol i dont need to lower it :p 23:37:45 <mikk36> i'd rather take some 80CFM fan and use it at 5 or 7 volts 23:38:01 <mikk36> higher output but still low noise L) 23:38:03 <mikk36> :) 23:38:34 <JohnUK89> True lol my systems dont generate much heat anywan lol 23:39:30 <JohnUK89> One's a palermo core sempron :x 23:40:45 * mikk36 hasn't tried any semprons 23:41:01 <JohnUK89> Don't, they suck 23:41:20 <mikk36> i believe :) 23:41:28 <mikk36> still low-end 23:41:56 <JohnUK89> Me dad HAD to buy me the cheapest cpu he could find :( 23:42:17 <mikk36> i buy my own hardware :) 23:42:28 <JohnUK89> I do when I can lol 23:42:42 <JohnUK89> Not got much income at all, only 17 23:43:05 <mikk36> i'm 19 :P 23:43:16 <JohnUK89> Lol 23:43:24 <Sacro> im 22, old :( 23:43:46 <JohnUK89> Haha 23:43:52 <mikk36> yeah, u should be retired already :P 23:44:09 <JohnUK89> If thats old me dad's a fossil :p 23:44:46 <CIA-5> belugas * r5807 /branches/XTDwidget/order_gui.c: [XTDwidget] Replace disable_state by (Is|Set)WidgetDisabled functions in order_gui.c. 23:45:22 <mikk36> aint he then ? :P 23:45:35 <luckz> I always had control about what components I get 23:45:35 <JohnUK89> Lol he's 65 :x 23:46:13 <JohnUK89> Luckz: I do when I buy them lol 23:47:19 <JohnUK89> Oh well, least it runs OTTD well :-D 23:47:43 <luckz> my girlfriend's laptop runs well. and that thing is.. usually in need of remotely old games. 23:47:56 <JohnUK89> Lol 23:49:32 <luckz> well, when was your computer acquired? 23:49:43 <JohnUK89> I gotta try it on m p233 :p 23:49:57 <JohnUK89> Erm, xmas last year 23:50:01 <mikk36> oh yeah 23:50:08 <mikk36> 60x60 fan @ 4900rpm 23:50:17 <mikk36> amd inbox 23:50:22 <luckz> her computer already was oldish 5 years ago. soye. 23:51:33 <JohnUK89> Lol got a 486 lappy here :p 23:51:38 <mikk36> lol 23:52:00 <JohnUK89> Gonna shove TTO on that...lol 23:55:23 <magus_x> lol 23:55:30 <magus_x> well 23:55:39 <magus_x> dos ttd should work 23:55:40 <magus_x> lol 23:55:56 <JohnUK89> Yeah thats what I was thinking :) 23:56:16 <JohnUK89> Well...i wasnt thinking deluxe at the time 23:56:32 <magus_x> well, even the deluxe should work 23:56:36 <magus_x> for dos... 23:56:49 <JohnUK89> Yeah, Ill give it a go :) 23:56:58 <magus_x> well 23:57:05 <magus_x> try the ottd 23:57:06 <magus_x> lol 23:57:30 <JohnUK89> On win 3.11? :P 23:57:41 <magus_x> oh 23:57:42 <magus_x> LOL 23:57:59 <magus_x> linux in console mode 23:58:00 <magus_x> LOL 23:58:20 <JohnUK89> Lol dont have a floppy distro to hand 23:58:27 <magus_x> =oooo 23:58:39 <JohnUK89> Can soon grab one :p 23:59:53 <JohnUK89> Gettin X on it might be a problem tho...120mb hdd lol