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05:49:09 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 05:52:13 <grimrc1> how come the top-bar is left justified but the bottom one is centre-justified? 05:55:50 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: and how come zooming stops working near the edges of the map?] 05:58:47 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Life. 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07:13:20 <glx> train_cmd.c I guess 07:13:43 <Cassac-> It's right.. but i cannot figure it out... 07:14:58 <Cassac-> Why a train with 15 wagons with no cargo and a total weight of 285t has slower accelration than a 9 wagon train with full cargo and a total weight of 405 07:15:43 <Cassac-> Im not a fysic expert so i dont know if that would be normal in real life.. 07:15:51 <glx> because the formula is wrong :) 07:16:10 <ZzztarLite> wagons are still in the calculation 07:16:18 <ZzztarLite> # of wagons that is 07:16:19 *** ZzztarLite is now known as StarLite 07:16:22 *** netgert [Gert@213-35-175-9-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has quit [] 07:16:36 <StarLite> weight is just a part of the equasion 07:16:59 <Grizly> what you think to make time for one day longer? 07:17:17 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D860.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:17:17 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:18:01 *** Grizly is now known as Grizly-badENG 07:20:13 <glx> Grizly: there's a patch for that on the forum 07:20:27 <glx> and it's in miniin I think 07:21:41 *** Ammler [~Ammler@144.145.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 07:26:34 <Cassac-> glx, hmm... you know what the patch is? 07:26:48 <Cassac-> glx, and if it will be taken in in next version? 07:28:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o blathijs] by TrueLight 07:28:21 <Cassac-> Sorry 07:28:23 <TrueLight> blathijs: beter laat dan nooit ;) 07:28:32 <Cassac-> Didn't see that you answered about the day 07:28:32 <Cassac-> :P 07:30:16 <Cassac-> StarLite, okey, hmmm.. has to study the source harder im quite good at math but not so good at source :P 07:32:20 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: -] 07:35:08 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:53:51 <Darkvater> morning 07:54:03 <guru3> good morning 08:08:58 <MeusH> hey Darkvater 08:09:01 <MeusH> welcome 08:11:10 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 08:15:53 *** xptek [xptek@xptek.eu] has joined #openttd 08:28:58 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.145.87] has quit [Quit: if ($this == true) then true == false;] 08:30:13 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.145.87] has joined #openttd 08:37:00 *** RichK67_wrk [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:37:08 <Darkvater> morn' 08:37:14 <RichK67_wrk> it is 08:38:36 <blathijs> TrueLight: hmm?jj 08:54:38 *** RichK67_wrk [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [Quit: RichK67_wrk] 08:57:41 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 08:57:59 <jonty-comp> Hmm, 100 battleships are heading for my smallest colony from johneaton D: 08:58:07 <jonty-comp> Oh bah, stupid XChat again 08:58:16 * jonty-comp kicks XChat for changing the active channel 08:58:21 <jonty-comp> Just ignore me :P 08:58:33 <Noldo> roger 08:58:58 <jonty-comp> That's what I get for starting to type in a channel before the other channels have auto-joined >:( 09:07:23 <Darkvater> bad battleships 09:07:30 <Darkvater> you should give them a big spankin' 09:08:59 <jonty-comp> I shall :D 09:16:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-165-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:20:31 <MeusH> jointy-comp, ogame? 09:23:00 <Nigel> problems with MiniIn and VC express? 09:23:25 <Nigel> Line: 865 09:23:25 <Nigel> Column: 11 09:23:25 <Nigel> Error Message: 09:23:25 <Nigel> The name in the end tag of the element must match the element type in the start tag. 09:24:10 <Sacro> heh, yeah. i think the VC8 project file isnt XML complient 09:25:57 <Nigel> found it i think 09:27:41 <Nigel> nope 09:29:20 <glx> Nigel: missing </file> near bpm.c and bmp.h 09:29:24 <Nigel> I just did it a cheeky way 09:34:12 <glx> Nigel: is it fixed? 09:34:36 <Nigel> yeah, i did that 09:35:04 <glx> we had the same problem in trunk (my fault :) ) 09:35:21 <glx> but richk forgot to sync the fix 09:38:00 <Nigel> I still can't compile it, so i'll leave sleeping code lie 09:41:19 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 09:42:47 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:52:48 *** Peach [~Peach@cpe.atm2-0-1111159.0x50c6a2e6.odnxx4.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:00:40 *** glx is now known as glx|away 10:02:20 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 10:05:16 *** Tron [ClTh9qbC@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 10:05:28 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:13 <MeusH> hey guys, could you please help me translate "Ah, the well-proven babblefish approach." to more understable english? 10:08:32 <MeusH> s/understable/understandable 10:08:57 <Noldo> what's the context? 10:09:18 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:09:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:10:41 <Sacro> MeusH: bablefish 10:11:32 <MeusH> Noldo, response to "How about strings commonly used in various newgrf sets? 10:11:32 <MeusH> Like "freight" "tilting" "express" "suitable for" "special features"? " 10:12:02 <MeusH> I suggested that if most newgrf use string "freight" somewhere, it would be just better to translate it once 10:12:23 <MeusH> I'm a translator and it would be a bit of waste of time to translate "freight" in: 10:12:28 <MeusH> canadian trainsset 10:12:30 <MeusH> USset 10:12:39 <MeusH> UK renewal set 10:12:46 <MeusH> Tropic set 10:12:48 <MeusH> Arctic set 10:12:49 <Sacro> sed ftw! 10:12:50 <MeusH> Cargo set 10:12:53 <MeusH> yep 10:13:16 <MeusH> but that "important dude" said some strange thing about bablefish I don't get 10:13:25 <Darkvater> you cannot be sure it'll always be freight imho 10:14:54 <Noldo> if the whole string isn't exactly the same it is bound to break in some languages 10:15:32 <Noldo> I supose bablefish approach means translating word by word? 10:16:30 <Darkvater> yes and since you cannot be sure it's exactly the same, there is no use trying to unify translation of newgrf sets 10:16:43 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 10:17:08 <JohnUK89> Morning :) 10:17:30 <MeusH> hi JohnUK89 10:17:31 <Noldo> but reusing complete strings might be doable 10:17:41 <JohnUK89> MeusH, morning :) 10:18:16 <MeusH> well, I thought the buy vehicle window works like that: STR_SUITABLE_FOR, and then newgrf authors put all that crap like STR_FREIGHT or STR_EXPRESS_MAIL 10:18:19 <Darkvater> how do you know they're the same? 10:18:27 <Darkvater> no 10:18:33 <MeusH> seems they're using STR_SUITABLE_FOR_FREIGHT_AND_EXPRESS_MAIL 10:18:39 <Darkvater> it's like setcallback-specialstring 10:20:00 <MeusH> well I remember http://tt-forums.net/files/cargoes_ukrs_159.png - in the middle window there was "suitable for" and the other text 10:20:05 <MeusH> uh, nevermind 10:20:09 <MeusH> newgrf is just too hacky 10:20:47 <MeusH> by the way, patch seen in that screenshot is finished and works pretty nice :) 10:22:32 *** Wolfy [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:35 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:23:43 <Sacro> yeah it does, i reckon its ready for mainstream 10:27:08 <Darkvater> nicely 10:27:09 <Darkvater> ;) 10:31:31 <Sacro> :P 10:31:44 <Sacro> vehicle_gui.c:240: warning: 'refit_info.subtype' may be used uninitialized in this function 10:32:15 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:32:15 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32:37 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:43:33 *** Wolfy [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:43:46 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43:54 *** Tron [ClTh9qbC@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:44:33 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E561.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:19 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:51:01 <JohnUK89> Hmm I've figured out what kills compiz 10:51:44 *** Wolfy [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:27 <MeusH> what's that? 10:55:05 <JohnUK89> crappy nvidia drivers don't have the right glx extension 10:55:11 <JohnUK89> hmm brb food 10:57:57 <JohnUK89> back 10:58:41 <Nigel> JohnUK89, that was fast 10:59:02 <Nigel> what did you do? use it as a clay bird target? 10:59:16 <JohnUK89> Nigel, my mam had made me a sandwich :) 10:59:30 <Nigel> :P 10:59:48 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:01:29 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 11:03:07 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-165-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:03 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:18 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 11:21:02 *** RichK67_wrk [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 11:21:22 *** Wolfy [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:21:37 <RichK67_wrk> hi all 11:22:27 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:26:48 *** roboman [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:27:42 *** roboman [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 11:28:04 <Rubidium> hi RichK67_wrk 11:28:27 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-194-089.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:05 <TrueLight> hi RichK67_wrk 11:31:09 <TrueLight> sorry about all the commits yesterday 11:31:12 <TrueLight> good luck with merging them :S 11:31:14 <roboboy> gnight 11:31:20 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 11:31:50 <RichK67_wrk> ook... i didnt update anything yesterday.... what were the commits? 11:31:57 <TrueLight> hehe 11:31:59 <Darkvater> evil grin 11:32:01 <TrueLight> then I will shut up now :) 11:32:28 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.145.87] has quit [Quit: if ($this == true) then true == false;] 11:32:53 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC58AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:59 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 11:36:26 <RichK67_wrk> oh 11:36:58 * Darkvater sees RichK67_wrk faint and drop to the ground 11:37:03 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-165-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:37:17 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176103021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:37:23 <RichK67_wrk> yes, i suspect i will have a LARGE number of conflicts there... many weeks of bug patching 11:37:25 <RichK67_wrk> :( 11:38:05 <JohnUK89> Oh Noes...it's Sacro 11:38:11 <Sacro> oh noes... 11:38:19 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 11:38:19 <Sacro> !logs 11:39:01 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:39:16 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c1b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:39:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 11:39:29 <JohnUK89> Hmm I'm climbing up the most active list lol 11:39:33 *** glx|away is now known as glx 11:39:35 <Sacro> RichK67_wrk: vehicle_gui.c:240: warning: 'refit_info.subtype' may be used uninitialized in this function 11:40:13 <glx> RichK67_wrk: openttd.vcproj_80 is broken :) 11:40:31 <JohnUK89> Bjarni :o 11:40:53 <glx> RichK67_wrk: missing </file> near bmp.c and bmp.h 11:41:46 <Bjarni> JohnUK89: stop acting like you have never seen me before 11:42:00 <JohnUK89> I'm not :P 11:42:45 <Sacro> Bjarni: the worst thing is...we have! 11:43:13 <Bjarni> hehe 11:43:38 <Darkvater> glx: why not commit the fix to miniin? 11:43:44 <RichK67_wrk> Sacro: I cant remember if ive uploaded mart3p's corrections to the refit info... MiniIN is getting really tricky now that several of its components are getting included in trunk (usually with variable changes) 11:43:52 <glx> Darkvater: I'm not at home 11:44:09 <Darkvater> ah, excuse accepted 11:44:50 <RichK67_wrk> glx: it will be fixed on next sync with trunk.... http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/changeset/5949 11:44:51 <Sacro> RichK67_wrk: maybe time for a restart? 11:44:58 <RichK67_wrk> NFW 11:45:17 <Sacro> not for work? 11:45:26 <RichK67_wrk> no f*** way ;) 11:45:41 <Sacro> ahh 11:46:12 <Darkvater> NSFW 11:46:16 <Darkvater> not suitable for work 11:46:40 <RichK67_wrk> what i need is at least 2 devs to join me on project - im too busy these days to be able to update MiniIN as often as needed to keep pace with trunk 11:46:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:47:01 <RichK67_wrk> im already 100 revs behind - and they are nasty revs too 11:47:21 <Brianetta> RichK67_wrk: The pain of multiple dev branches. 11:47:32 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:36 <Darkvater> nOooooooooooooooooooo 11:47:40 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 11:47:43 <_42_> Commit by belugas :: r6063 /branches/XTDwidget/ (96 files in 3 dirs) (2006-08-23 03:17:05 UTC) 11:47:45 <_42_> [XTDwidget] -Synch with trunk r6045 11:47:47 <Darkvater> aaah 11:47:48 <_42_> Don't ask 11:47:55 <Darkvater> what don't ask? 11:47:59 <Zaviori> just dont 11:48:10 <glx> look the 2 commit before this one :) 11:48:14 <Rubidium> Darkvater: that is part of the commit message 11:48:21 <Darkvater> no way, is _42_ a bot? 11:48:48 <Rubidium> bots can also say/append things ;) 11:48:50 <Darkvater> !bot _42_ 11:49:20 <Sacro> !openttd commit 6061 11:49:22 <_42_> Commit by belugas :: r6061 /branches/XTDwidget/ (39 files in 2 dirs) (2006-08-23 02:44:10 UTC) 11:49:24 <_42_> [XTDwidget] -Synch with trunk r6000:r6045 11:49:39 <Brianetta> Looks bottish to me 11:49:47 <Osai> !calc 4+4 11:49:48 <_42_> Osai: 8; 11:49:52 <Osai> he is .- 11:49:54 <Sacro> Osai: 8 11:50:04 <Osai> scro isnt :P 11:50:08 <Osai> Sacro* 11:50:11 <Sacro> twas an easy one that :) 11:50:14 <Brianetta> You sure? 11:50:23 <Brianetta> He failed a turing test versus Akalamanaia on my nightly 11:50:23 <Sacro> Brianetta: yes, i had enough fingers to cover it 11:50:50 <Osai> !calc 4+4^2-(3*29) 11:50:51 <_42_> Osai: -67; 11:51:01 * Sacro opens gcalctool 11:51:07 <Osai> :P 11:51:40 <Sacro> -67 11:52:02 <Osai> _42_ is TLs bot 11:52:24 *** RichK67_wrk is now known as RIchK_wrk|away 11:52:51 <Brianetta> At work and away... 11:53:09 <RIchK_wrk|away> yeah - off to tackle the post office :( 11:53:48 <Darkvater> postal \p/ 11:54:06 <JohnUK89> all hail the post office and their scams \o/ 11:54:37 <MeusH> !openttd commit 1337 11:54:39 <_42_> Commit by tron :: r1337 /trunk/ (15 files) (2005-01-03 12:56:22 UTC) 11:54:41 <_42_> Use MapMax[XY]() (or MapSize[XY]() if appropriate) instead of TILE_MAX_[XY] 11:54:43 <_42_> While here replace one erroneous TILE_MAX_X with MapMaxY() 11:54:57 <MeusH> !stats 11:54:57 <_42_> MeusH: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 11:55:37 <Sacro> MeusH: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/stats 11:56:00 <MeusH> MeusH: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/stats 11:56:10 <MeusH> huh 11:56:13 <MiHaMiX> lol 11:56:15 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 33 people! 11:56:25 <MiHaMiX> (Quote from http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html) 11:56:43 <MeusH> well what's with these two logs? 11:57:12 <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: that's the result from people keep asking me to kick people 11:57:15 <Sacro> MeusH: zapotek was in the old channel, truelights is just in here 11:57:20 <JohnUK89> Tron_ is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 56 people! 11:57:21 <JohnUK89> Tron_'s faithful follower, Bjarni, kicked about 46 people. 11:57:22 <Sacro> !kick JohnUK89 11:57:29 <MeusH> okay, thanks 11:57:31 <Bjarni> like when Sacro requested that I kicked Darkvater.... I just had to kick Sacro for doing so 11:57:31 <Sacro> 34... 11:57:34 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: no problem, we all know that you are insane, but we still like you! :-))) 11:57:39 <JohnUK89> !kick Sacro 11:57:46 <Sacro> JohnUK89: you cant until you return 11:57:51 <Sacro> i have immunity 11:57:53 *** JohnUK89 is now known as lolman 11:57:59 <lolman> !kick Sacro 11:58:01 *** lolman is now known as JohnUK89 11:58:10 <JohnUK89> :-D 11:58:20 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has left #openttd [Session terminated.] 11:58:20 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 11:58:27 * Sacro bombs the area between york and leeds 11:58:30 * MeusH slaps MiHaMiX's session 11:58:39 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has left #openttd [Session terminated.] 11:58:39 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 11:58:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o MiHaMiX] by ChanServ 11:58:43 *** JohnUK89 was kicked from #openttd by MiHaMiX [this time it won't work] 11:58:46 <MeusH> haha Sacro, terrorists win :) 11:58:50 *** MeusH was kicked from #openttd by MiHaMiX [--noslap pls] 11:58:57 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:59:23 <MiHaMiX> anyone else thinks #openttd is a playground? 11:59:33 *** Dred_furst [Dred.furst@82-37-135-45.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:59:36 <MeusH> weee 11:59:41 <MeusH> more chocolate 12:00:01 *** john_ [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 12:00:11 <MeusH> MiHaMiX, I think it's toyland - playground for TT maniacs :) 12:00:33 <Darkvater> hmm did I just drop from top10? 12:00:34 <Darkvater> dammit 12:00:39 *** MeusH was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [combacke!!!!] 12:00:40 <MiHaMiX> ehh, let's do some coding 12:01:00 *** john_ is now known as JohnUK89 12:02:01 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 12:02:09 <MeusH> ... 12:02:10 <MeusH> a gum 12:02:45 <MeusH> now DV will kick everyone to get to the top of the list :o 12:03:14 <Darkvater> ^_^' 12:03:49 <TrueLight> MiHaMiX: please kick Darkvater, because he thinks this is a playground too 12:04:24 <MeusH> Let's slap MiHaMiX's session so he goes into a kick frenzy 12:04:34 <MeusH> but no... I won't dare 12:05:14 *** Wolfy [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:06 *** CIA-2 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 12:12:20 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E561.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:26 <Bjarni> orudge: ping 12:14:48 <Sacro> Bjarni: pongs! 12:14:58 <Bjarni> ... 12:15:05 <Bjarni> the wrong person highlighted me :( 12:15:24 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [incorrect usage of developer highlight] 12:15:30 <Darkvater> dammit you asshole 12:15:32 <Darkvater> /kick Sacro don't hilight Bjarni 12:15:37 <Darkvater> 14:15 -!- Sacro #openttd They aren't on that channel 12:15:49 *** Bjarni was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [interference with kick] 12:15:50 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c1b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:15:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 12:16:17 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-165-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:16:22 <Sacro> theres a correct usage? 12:17:38 <Bjarni> yeah 12:17:58 <Bjarni> use it when the developer aren't busy and only if you got something to say 12:18:02 <Bjarni> to him 12:18:57 *** john_ [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 12:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause> is that first condition ever met? 12:19:20 <Bjarni> no 12:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause> good :) 12:19:37 <Bjarni> but it's not a getting kicked condition unless it's done too often 12:19:55 <Bjarni> this is a case where the latter was violated 12:21:57 *** Bjarni was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [incorrect use of an english verb] 12:21:57 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c1b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:21:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 12:22:12 <Noldo> get a grip 12:22:43 * Darkvater is totally off his rocker today 12:22:46 <Darkvater> some bad smoke I think 12:23:28 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:31 *** john_ is now known as JohnUK89 12:23:31 *** Darkvater was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [we got a channel wide smoking ban] 12:23:40 <MeusH> yeah Darkvater 12:23:41 <MeusH> you lol 12:23:44 <MeusH> you dude 12:23:47 <MeusH> you funny candy 12:23:48 <MeusH> hahaha 12:23:52 <MeusH> and you can't see that 12:23:53 <MeusH> hahaha 12:23:55 <MeusH> we all own you 12:23:57 <Bjarni> now I will be kicked, but it's worth it :D 12:24:07 <MeusH> yeah :) 12:24:19 <MeusH> change nick 12:24:21 <MeusH> he won't know that 12:24:25 *** Bjarni is now known as not_Bjarni 12:24:25 <MeusH> do it do it now 12:24:29 <MeusH> lol 12:24:31 <Noldo> :D 12:24:33 *** MeusH is now known as Bjarni 12:24:39 *** not_Bjarni is now known as MeusH 12:25:10 *** mode/#openttd [-o MeusH] by MeusH 12:25:41 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 12:25:56 <MeusH> where is DV when you expect him? 12:26:05 <Bjarni> he's gone 12:26:10 <Bjarni> probably far away 12:26:12 <MeusH> "I" expect to be kicked 12:26:31 <Bjarni> yes I do :) 12:27:09 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 12:27:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 12:27:17 * Darkvater should really turn on autorejoin 12:27:17 <Bjarni> :o 12:27:25 <OwenS> O.o 12:27:32 <MeusH> :o 12:27:41 <Faux> )o( 12:27:48 <OwenS> :o 12:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 12:28:07 <OwenS> </:o -s> :P 12:28:08 <Bjarni> we're all looking at you 12:28:15 *** OwenS was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [MeusH Faux copycats] 12:28:25 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:28:28 <OwenS> O.o wtf? 12:29:03 <JohnUK89> o_O 12:29:10 <OwenS> =/ 12:29:16 <MeusH> O_o 12:29:17 <scia> 0_o 12:29:22 <Bjarni> ._________________. 12:29:23 <Grizly-badENG> \(O)^(O)/ 12:29:52 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-165-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:52 <JohnUK89> \o__o/ 12:29:59 <Bjarni> we scared Sacro 12:29:59 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@VPNPOOL01-0375.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 12:30:27 *** mode/#openttd [-ooo Belugas_Gone blathijs Darkvater] by TrueLight 12:30:30 *** mode/#openttd [-ooo MiHaMiX orudge Rubidium] by TrueLight 12:30:33 *** mode/#openttd [+m] by TrueLight 12:30:33 <TrueLight> silence 12:30:34 <TrueLight> finally 12:30:55 <TrueLight> I should have done this much sooner 12:30:58 *** mode/#openttd [+ooo Belugas_Gone blathijs Darkvater] by TrueLight 12:31:01 *** mode/#openttd [+ooo MiHaMiX orudge Rubidium] by TrueLight 12:31:03 *** mode/#openttd [-m] by TrueLight 12:31:07 <JohnUK89> :o 12:31:08 <Bjarni> man 12:31:12 <Bjarni> I couldn't breathe 12:31:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i smell op abuse ;) 12:31:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by TrueLight 12:31:19 <JohnUK89> lmao 12:31:23 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: no you don't 12:31:32 <TrueLight> Eddi|zuHause: you really want to repeat that? :p 12:31:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and there somebody got fooled ;) 12:31:59 *** mode/#openttd [-o Bjarni] by TrueLight 12:32:02 <TrueLight> He didn't even used the +o 12:32:02 <Bjarni> :o 12:32:05 <TrueLight> stupid ass :p 12:32:11 <JohnUK89> haha 12:33:03 <JohnUK89> I never knew MeusH was a donkey... 12:33:12 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-165-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:33:20 <MeusH> I'm not 12:36:19 *** MeusH was kicked from #openttd by TrueLight [I hate MeusH] 12:36:19 *** MeusH [~Bjarni@0x50a46c1b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:36:34 <Bjarni> now whp 12:36:37 <Bjarni> who's that? 12:37:14 <MeusH> talk about op abuse 12:37:19 <MeusH> o_O 12:37:25 *** MeusH was kicked from #openttd by TrueLight [op abuse] 12:37:25 *** MeusH [~Bjarni@0x50a46c1b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:37:29 <MeusH> I didn't say anything 12:37:34 <MeusH> at least not right now 12:37:41 *** MeusH was kicked from #openttd by TrueLight [you talk too much] 12:37:41 *** MeusH [~Bjarni@0x50a46c1b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:37:48 <MeusH> stupid danish person 12:37:49 <Darkvater> dammit my boss's bothering me, can't chate carelessly 12:37:50 <MeusH> or dutch 12:37:56 <MeusH> I can't remember 12:38:07 *** MeusH was kicked from #openttd by TrueLight [no reason this time] 12:38:07 *** MeusH [~Bjarni@0x50a46c1b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:38:12 <Bjarni> duchie 12:38:17 <Bjarni> nederlanden operatoren 12:38:40 *** Bjarni [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by MeusH))] 12:38:42 <glx> !seen Bjarni 12:38:43 <_42_> glx, Bjarni (~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl) was last seen quitting #openttd 3 seconds ago (23.08. 12:38) stating "Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by MeusH))" after spending 36 minutes there. 12:38:46 *** MeusH is now known as Bjarni 12:38:48 <TrueLight> haha 12:38:54 *** MeusH_ [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 12:39:08 *** MeusH_ is now known as Bjarni_ 12:39:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 12:40:02 <RIchK_wrk|away> cool - other than the logs, the MiniIN is the most referenced URL :) 12:40:19 <Bjarni> -_42_- glx (~glx@AAubervilliers-152-1-70-62.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) was looking for you on #openttd 3 seconds ago (23.08. 12:38). 12:40:20 <Bjarni> nice 12:41:06 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 12:41:06 <Bjarni_> !logs 12:41:19 <TrueLight> !stats 12:41:19 <_42_> TrueLight: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 12:41:31 *** Bjarni_ is now known as MeusH 12:41:40 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: -] 12:42:15 *** Wolfy [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:42:17 *** Owner [~Owner@74.130.29.178] has joined #openttd 12:42:22 <Owner> im back 12:42:27 <Bjarni> shit 12:42:28 <TrueLight> bah 12:42:34 <Bjarni> the Owner is here 12:42:34 <Eddi|zuHause> NOO 12:42:40 <Bjarni> we better clean up the place 12:42:40 * Darkvater has this certain itch to kick him 12:42:54 <Owner> stop kicking me 12:43:08 *** Bjarni was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [stop kicking the owner] 12:43:09 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c1b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:43:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 12:43:27 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@VPNPOOL01-0375.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:41 <Sacro> w...t...f... 12:43:52 <MiHaMiX> ok guys, notify me when you all grow up... 12:43:56 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has left #openttd [Session terminated.] 12:44:02 <Eddi|zuHause> this channel clearly degraded in maturity since the move... 12:44:09 *** Owner was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [if I'm going to be kicked for doing something, I might as well do it] 12:44:33 *** Owner [~Owner@74.130.29.178] has joined #openttd 12:44:55 <TrueLight> and now 12:44:56 <TrueLight> it is enough 12:44:57 <TrueLight> okay? 12:45:04 <Darkvater> lol Bjarni 12:45:06 <TrueLight> else I promise you I remove all of you from the access list 12:45:24 <Faux> Why was there a move, btw? 12:45:58 <ln-> freenode sucks 12:46:07 <ln-> that's both the short and long explanation. 12:46:07 <OwenS> Hmm, TrueLight, has Lilo reaped #openttd on Freenode yet? :P 12:46:16 <TrueLight> OwenS: dunno 12:46:24 <OwenS> He reaped #openttdcoop yesterday 12:46:30 <TrueLight> how? 12:46:33 <Faux> Heh ln-. 12:46:33 <Darkvater> reaped or raped? 12:46:38 <OwenS> Redirected it to ##openttdcoop 12:46:56 <OwenS> I quote it: 12:46:59 <OwenS> [11:32:26] - --You have joined channel ##openttdcoop 12:46:59 <OwenS> [11:32:26] - --Topic for ##openttdcoop is This unofficial channel is available as needed. Please consult the project website for its official IRC location. Thank you for using freenode! 12:46:59 <OwenS> [11:32:26] - --Topic set by lilo at 2006-08-22 12:52 12:47:23 <OwenS> ChanServ sits there so nobdoy can claim it 12:47:41 <TrueLight> same for openttd 12:47:56 <TrueLight> idiots 12:47:59 <TrueLight> glad we are gone there 12:48:04 <OwenS> Hehe 12:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly does that mean? 12:49:11 <Darkvater> 14:48 -!- Topic set by lilo [] [Tue Aug 22 13:51:37 2006] 12:49:37 <GoneWacko> is he reserving it for 'when you get back' or is he reserving it so you can't get it when you want to move back (neither will be the case, of course) 12:49:38 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D38F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:46 <Owner> bye 12:49:50 <Darkvater> bye owner 12:51:38 <GoneWacko> hrrm 12:51:53 <MeusH> bye Owner 12:52:02 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:28 <Owner> j 12:52:35 <GoneWacko> I just got the C&C 3 newsletter with a movie of Kane D: 12:52:49 <GoneWacko> although it's so dark I'm not 100% sure if it's Joseph or someone else 12:52:52 <GoneWacko> but I think it's Joseph :) 12:52:58 * GoneWacko cheers 12:53:03 <Darkvater> :O 12:53:04 <Darkvater> link! 12:53:11 <peter1138> heh 12:53:13 <peter1138> same for #openttd 12:53:16 <GoneWacko> http://fun.ea.com/cgi-bin24/DM/y/eZgF0G5qfh0CB08G60GX 12:53:35 <Darkvater> I wonder what his intentions are 12:54:26 <Bjarni> it's lilo 12:54:33 <Bjarni> don't try to understand him 12:55:34 <Bjarni> what about Kane? Did I miss something? 12:57:06 <GoneWacko> meh now I'm starting to believe it's someone else :o 12:58:02 <Bjarni> :confused: 12:58:08 <Darkvater> no they said joe kuchan or whatever his name is is definitely coming back 12:58:40 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 12:58:45 <Bjarni> Joseph who? 12:59:04 <Bjarni> wb Celestar 12:59:09 <glx> he's not dead :) 12:59:10 <GoneWacko> he is? well then he's a good sport, after getting fired there :p 12:59:33 <GoneWacko> good thing, he's what defines C&C for me :p 13:00:08 <Bjarni> here is what's wrong with C&C: 13:00:12 <Bjarni> it's not open source 13:01:08 <Sacro> grr :( lost the site i was using 13:01:12 <MeusH> hey Celestar 13:01:23 *** Grizly-badENG [~grizly@c.140.167.a213.sta.adsl.cyfra.net] has quit [Quit: fractal2 mirc script (ver 1.0betar2) · http://fractal2.net] 13:01:30 <Darkvater> no he isn't dead 13:01:43 <Darkvater> hiya Celestar 13:01:47 <Darkvater> first place? :) 13:01:50 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 13:01:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o MiHaMiX] by ChanServ 13:03:02 <TrueLight> Celestar? Here?! Nah! 13:03:09 <TrueLight> it has to be fake 13:03:15 * Darkvater pokes Celestar 13:05:23 <Bjarni> Celestar (~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de) <-- Jadzia_Da... should that be Jadzia Dax? 13:05:30 <Bjarni> you are just another host or ? 13:05:32 <Bjarni> :) 13:05:49 <MeusH> Jadzia is a funny female name here :) 13:06:36 <MiHaMiX> 17:24 + Celestar_ [n=Jadzia_D@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 13:06:46 <MiHaMiX> it's the same for a long time I think 13:07:25 <MeusH> The one you posted is Jadzia_D, now he is Jadzia_Da 13:07:41 <Bjarni> how long do we have to wait for the X? 13:07:48 <Bjarni> make that the x 13:08:08 <MeusH> that x in the top-right corner? 13:08:19 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: "X pressed"] 13:08:26 <Bjarni> I wondered who would say that 13:08:35 <Bjarni> but not really who would do that :p 13:08:47 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 13:08:55 <MeusH> it works! 13:08:57 <MeusH> \o/ 13:09:01 <glx> MeusH: auto kick ? 13:09:31 <Bjarni> glx: that's called ban 13:09:32 <MeusH> the mysterious X button 13:09:51 <glx> Bjarni: I meant self-kick :) 13:10:00 <Bjarni> ahh 13:12:17 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:16:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77F79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:17:46 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18:13 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DA56.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:18:19 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DA56.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:47 <Celestar> yes? 13:20:06 <Darkvater> it speakz! 13:20:13 <Celestar> mesa speaks 13:20:34 <Darkvater> yousa win? 13:20:42 <Celestar> no but wesa doing well 13:20:56 <Darkvater> thisa good vezie 13:21:06 <Bjarni> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1367087148554825643 <-- awesome :D 13:21:10 <Bjarni> and funny 13:21:14 <Darkvater> Bjarni: SFW? 13:21:22 <Bjarni> got to try that at uni 13:21:53 <Bjarni> the funny thing is: people would look, but we would likely not stick out as odd people 13:23:27 <Bjarni> Darkvater: ? 13:26:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76CF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:58 <Darkvater> Bjarni: Suitable For Work? 13:27:48 <Bjarni> ahh 13:27:49 <Bjarni> hmm 13:28:16 <Bjarni> it's a guy dressed as pacman running around in a library screaming because a guy dressed as s ghost chase him 13:28:22 <Bjarni> mute for work, at least 13:28:46 <Darkvater> haha 13:28:49 <Bjarni> it's not porn or violence or anything like that 13:29:41 <Bjarni> comment: Virginia Tech College....I guess 13:31:00 <hylje> zomg 13:31:44 <Belugas> Celestar! Hello Darkvater! Hello too! 13:32:03 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7664A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:09 <Celestar> hi Belugas 13:32:13 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 13:32:20 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76CF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:40 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3641B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:39 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3641B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:56 <izhirahider> Anyone using openTTD with Fedora that has the original music working fine? In other words, how do I use timidity by default with alsa without uninstalling the kde and enlightenment sound daemons? :/ 13:45:06 *** Ammler [~Ammler@144.145.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:45:18 <izhirahider> the music only works if I start esd or artsd, which sucks, but I can't afford uninstalling them 13:45:58 *** RIchK_wrk|away [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [Quit: RIchK_wrk|away] 13:46:11 <Sacro> ok, so application/xhtml+xml is fun 13:48:59 <MeusH> izhirahider, does your music sounds "bad" - you can hear the melody but it's an awful pain in the ear to listen to that noise? 13:49:40 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 13:49:51 <izhirahider> the music sounds perfect, but I'd like to use regular alsa instead of esd 13:51:23 <izhirahider> the real question I think is How to use timidity++ with ALSA by default instead of esd 13:52:10 <izhirahider> to use timidity I have to use the -Os always, which sucks 13:52:23 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 13:53:11 <Sacro> izhirahider: i use -iA -Oj 13:55:59 <CIA-2> miham * r6064 /trunk/lang/ (french.txt german.txt turkish.txt): 13:55:59 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-08-23 15:55:27 13:55:59 <CIA-2> french - 5 fixed by belugas (4), glx (1) 13:55:59 <CIA-2> german - 26 fixed, 5 changed by chu (31) 13:55:59 <CIA-2> turkish - 23 fixed by jnmbk (23) 13:56:32 <izhirahider> Sacro, do you have music in openttd? 13:56:43 <Sacro> izhirahider: yeah 13:57:12 <izhirahider> Sacro, if you type "timidity gm/gm_tt00.gm", does it play automatically? 13:57:49 <Sacro> errm, cant remember let me check 13:58:35 <JohnUK89> That reminds me, I need to install timidity 13:58:59 <JohnUK89> (After I install gkrellm) 13:59:49 <Sacro> lol 14:00:14 <Sacro> errm, i dont have gms installed currently :S 14:01:14 <JohnUK89> wtf 30 meg of packages for timidity? 14:01:37 <Sacro> hehe, must come witha lot of patches 14:01:52 *** Guest56 [Gono@N888P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:01:55 <JohnUK89> Yeah...stuff downloading that lol 14:02:01 <JohnUK89> I can cope with no midi :P 14:03:26 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: http://iThought.dk/ ] 14:04:51 <JohnUK89> damnit gkrellm doesn't support my sensor :( 14:05:53 <izhirahider> JohnUK89, which one 14:06:12 <JohnUK89> dunno what it is precisely, but the motherboard is an Asus K8S-MX 14:06:17 <JohnUK89> (If that helps) 14:06:39 <Sacro> izhirahider: yes :) i do get music 14:07:02 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N890P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:06 <izhirahider> Sacro, do you have esd or artsd running? 14:07:26 <Sacro> izhirahider: no 14:08:00 <izhirahider> can you play the .gm files with "timidity file.gm", i.e, without any arguments? 14:08:05 <Sacro> yup 14:08:17 <Sacro> ben@laptop ~/OpenTTD/Minty $ timidity gm/gm_tt00.gm 14:08:22 <JohnUK89> Need to get 29.2MB of archives.<gah! 14:08:26 * JohnUK89 sets it off 14:08:35 <Sacro> heh, i have timidity and freepats 14:08:44 <izhirahider> JohnUK89, type sensors on a shell, if that works, so does gkrellm 14:09:04 <JohnUK89> izhirahider, no sensors found...bugger 14:09:09 <Sacro> Can't access procfs/sysfs file 14:09:10 <JohnUK89> The following NEW packages will be installed 14:09:11 <JohnUK89> freepats libjack0.100.0-0 timidity 14:09:13 <izhirahider> > timidity gm/gm_tt00.gm 14:09:13 <izhirahider> esd: No such file or directory 14:09:13 <izhirahider> Couldn't open Enlightened sound daemon (`e') 14:09:30 <izhirahider> it tries to start esd to play it 14:09:38 <izhirahider> JohnUK89, type sensors-detect as root 14:09:58 <JohnUK89> No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them. 14:10:13 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 14:10:59 <JohnUK89> Aah it's freepats that takes all the space...28.6mb of that 14:11:52 <glx> JohnUK89: but you need it 14:12:03 <Sacro> freepats are nice 14:12:06 <JohnUK89> glx, yeah, it's downloading now ;-) 14:12:07 <glx> it's the midi instrument samples 14:12:07 <Sacro> unless you have some soundfonts 14:15:13 <JohnUK89> Where do I actually put the midi files for openTTD? does the gm golder just get dumped into the data folder? 14:15:17 <izhirahider> JohnUK89, install lm_sensors 14:15:29 <JohnUK89> izhirahider, I have lol 14:17:02 <hylje> :E 14:20:33 <blathijs> JohnUK89: yes 14:20:42 <blathijs> JohnUK89: Read README.Debian :-) 14:22:04 <TrueLight> [TXT] openttd.html 23-Aug-2006 14:20 35K 14:22:04 <TrueLight> [TXT] openttd.tgp.html 23-Aug-2006 14:21 23K 14:22:04 <TrueLight> [ ] openttd.tgp.xml 23-Aug-2006 14:21 318 14:22:04 <TrueLight> [ ] openttd.xml 23-Aug-2006 14:20 306 14:22:04 <TrueLight> Weird order 14:22:26 <Kjetil> oh ? 14:22:29 <Faux> What, alphabetical? 14:22:40 <Prof_Frink> TrueLight: alphabetical? 14:22:52 <TrueLight> There is no way you guys want to call this alfabetic :( 14:22:58 <TrueLight> I should shoot you on sight 14:23:02 <Faux> h, t, t, x? 14:23:05 <hylje> :E 14:23:13 <hylje> reverse alphabetical 14:23:14 <TrueLight> I assume any httpd 14:23:20 <TrueLight> to have.. what was the name 14:23:21 <Kjetil> h, th ,tx , x 14:23:25 <TrueLight> "normal" ordering anyway 14:23:25 <hylje> liek count from the end of filename 14:23:28 <TrueLight> this just sucks ass :( 14:23:48 <hylje> -tml, -tml,-xml,-xml 14:24:08 <TrueLight> natural ordering 14:24:10 <TrueLight> that was the name 14:25:04 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D38F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:29 *** Buhu [~Buhu@ip51cc6387.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:26:57 <TrueLight> I 14:26:57 <TrueLight> NEed 14:26:59 <TrueLight> To 14:27:00 <TrueLight> talk 14:27:02 <TrueLight> 400 14:27:02 <TrueLight> more 14:27:03 <TrueLight> lines 14:27:04 <TrueLight> to 14:27:05 <TrueLight> catch 14:27:05 <TrueLight> up 14:27:06 <TrueLight> with 14:27:07 <TrueLight> Bjarni: 14:27:09 <TrueLight> so, 14:27:10 <TrueLight> I 14:27:12 <TrueLight> will 14:27:12 <TrueLight> talk 14:27:13 <TrueLight> like 14:27:14 <TrueLight> this 14:27:14 <TrueLight> now 14:27:15 <TrueLight> okay? 14:27:23 <Kjetil> ehm.. no 14:27:25 <glx> lol 14:27:36 <hylje> :E 14:28:14 <TrueLight> Bjarni spoke a total of 22727 words! 14:28:14 <TrueLight> Bjarni's faithful follower, TrueLight, didn't speak so much: 12615 words. 14:28:15 <TrueLight> LOL! 14:28:19 <hylje> follower! 14:28:21 <hylje> anyway 14:28:30 <MiHaMiX> Total I18N status: 93% - 5240 bad strings out of 78619 strings 14:28:32 <hylje> the chat system shittiness was brought up in openttdcoop 14:28:56 <hylje> so id (again) propose improving the system to be like in warcraft 14:29:20 <hylje> so basically, when joining a company with no teammates, default chat to all 14:29:21 <TrueLight> TrueLight was also very polite: 8 ops from him/her. 14:29:21 <TrueLight> TrueLight is the channel sheriff with 9 deops. 14:29:38 <hylje> if joining company with people in it, default chat to team 14:29:46 <Noldo> TrueLight: :) 14:30:10 <hylje> and this can be overridden on per-message basis, shift-enter to ALL, ctrl-enter to TEAM chatbox 14:30:19 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 14:30:20 <hylje> and per-game basis on some setting 14:30:27 <MiHaMiX> hylje: nice ideas. now, please go and supply the patch :) 14:30:42 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:30:43 <hylje> the problem is, i dont have no experience in c 14:30:55 <MiHaMiX> hylje: double negation! 14:30:57 <hylje> i could of course hack a python interpreter into ottd and use that but.. 14:31:03 <hylje> MiHaMiX: its called emphatising 14:32:23 <MiHaMiX> hylje: !!false = false 14:32:35 <MiHaMiX> hylje: so.. you do have experience in C :))) 14:32:50 * Sjoerd- hugs TrueLight 14:32:57 <hylje> basic operator rules are not C-exclusive 14:33:10 <TrueLight> oh-oh 14:33:12 <TrueLight> I hate hugs :( 14:33:15 <TrueLight> only from my gf they are nice :p 14:33:44 <hylje> so could you give a list of files which have chat logic in it 14:33:46 <Sjoerd-> i am your grandfather 14:34:04 <TrueLight> NOOOOOOOOOoooOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo 14:34:06 <TrueLight> he is back alive :s 14:34:08 <hylje> :o 14:34:11 <TrueLight> I am pretty sure they burried him 14:34:32 <hylje> zombies 14:35:24 <Sjoerd-> heh. 14:35:27 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:31 <Kjetil> Sjoerd-: Is your coffin nice or is TrueLights family cheap bastards ? 14:35:55 <Sjoerd-> why do you th ink i left it 14:36:05 <Kjetil> haha 14:36:36 <hylje> and wtf 14:36:47 <hylje> why the linux build defaults on .bmp screenshots 14:37:12 <Kjetil> It should default to png 14:37:25 <blathijs> is png built in then? 14:37:47 <hylje> ill check, i dont see why it wouldnt have png 14:37:56 <izhirahider> Can anyone explain me what is meant by "tile loop" ? 14:38:09 <hylje> izhirahider: a loop through all the tiles in a map 14:38:20 <blathijs> to do stuff like grow fields or grass or trees 14:38:40 <Kjetil> I wish it could loop through my lawn and cut the grass 14:38:51 <izhirahider> I see that when generating a world, wanted to translate 14:38:54 <hylje> png Do you want PNG-support? [yes] 14:39:13 <hylje> and yet i got a screenshot sput out as .bmp 14:39:22 <blathijs> hylje: wtf, what asks you that question? 14:39:25 <guru3> you have to specify png as the output format 14:39:26 <glx> izhirahider: we used "Refreshing terrain" or something like that in frech 14:39:27 <hylje> ./configure 14:39:35 <hylje> or rather, ./configure --help 14:39:37 <blathijs> hylje: You can set the output format in configuration somewhere 14:39:44 <hylje> yep sure 14:39:48 <hylje> but the default is lame 14:39:52 <grimrc1> in the main menu options 14:39:53 <glx> s/frech/french 14:40:00 <blathijs> hylje: And perhaps you have ran a build without png before? 14:40:03 <hylje> nope 14:40:04 <grimrc1> PNG should be default if it's built 14:40:16 <blathijs> dunno what the default is, though 14:40:17 <hylje> its been built with png at all times 14:40:27 <grimrc1> mine defaults to png too 14:40:42 <grimrc1> bmp I mean 14:41:33 <CIA-2> truelight * r6065 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (Makefile.in config.lib configure): 14:41:33 <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: made ./configure --reconfig to work again 14:41:33 <CIA-2> -Add: if source.list is changed, the main Makefile automaticly reconfigures with last used configure-settings 14:41:49 <blathijs> hylje: try removing the screenshot format line from openttd.cfg, see what it defaults to then? 14:42:00 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:42:08 <hylje> lets see 14:42:31 <hylje> screenshot_format = 14:42:46 <grimrc1> openttd -c ./tmpfile 14:42:57 *** TronBSD [~tron@p54A3DEC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:14 <hylje> so lets conclude that ottd defaults to bmp screenshots no matter what 14:43:17 <grimrc1> game options in main menu 14:43:21 <hylje> it can be changed 14:43:36 <hylje> but the thing is that most people dont remember to do that 14:43:38 <blathijs> but defaulting to png would be better 14:43:50 <grimrc1> is BMP ./configured in, or is it always available? 14:43:53 *** jailbreaker [~TY@mail.jetfinanceintl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:44:00 <hylje> always available i believe 14:44:53 <blathijs> yes, no library needed 14:46:18 <hylje> and about the chat patch 14:46:20 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:46:22 <grimrc1> so somebody needs to hack the build environ. to default to png when it's built? 14:46:22 <hylje> where should i look 14:46:51 <izhirahider> What is Slovenian Tolar (SIT) used for? 14:46:59 <blathijs> not the build environment, but the default config 14:47:02 <MeusH> paying for stuff 14:47:09 <MeusH> buying fruits 14:47:20 <MeusH> you know, having cash 14:48:08 <glx> izhirahider: currency 14:48:47 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:02 <hylje> srsly, does anyone not know where the chat stuff is 14:49:07 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3DFA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:09 <hylje> or is it scattered around everywhere 14:50:00 <CIA-2> truelight * r6066 /branches/makefile_rewrite/configure: [MakefileRewrite] -Cleanup: removed invalid comment 14:50:01 <Kjetil> You could check files network* 14:50:05 <Kjetil> the files* 14:50:22 <grimrc1> SEND_COMMAND for offline & NetworkServer_HandleChat for online, according to ConSay (console) 14:50:23 <Kjetil> I guess most of it is in there 14:50:47 <Kjetil> And it looks like there is something in texteff.c 14:50:48 <izhirahider> Where is it used "Clockwise" and "Counter clockwise" in the game ? 14:51:21 <blathijs> hylje: I think you should look in screenshot.c, change what to do if _screenshot_format_name is empty or NULL (for the png defualt thing) 14:51:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81805.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:52:14 <hylje> lets see 14:52:32 <grimrc1> shouldn't all the default graphics format stuff be handled by ./configure, since it knows what it is building 14:52:53 <grimrc1> I mean, with appropriate changes to the source 14:53:15 <hylje> thats a define 14:53:41 <Brianetta> grimrc1: the Makefile handles all that 14:53:57 <Brianetta> configure make the makefile, and is only needed for cross-compiling 14:54:03 <Bjarni> <TrueLight> Bjarni's faithful follower, TrueLight <-- am I a messiah or something? 14:54:07 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387DA56.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54:10 <Bjarni> I didn't know that I had followers 14:54:17 <TrueLight> Bjarni: I hope not :s 14:54:43 <grimrc1> static const ScreenshotFormat _screenshot_formats[] 14:54:46 <Kjetil> All hail the openttd-messiah 14:54:56 <Brianetta> I read that as satanic const 14:55:05 <grimrc1> move the PNG one up one? 14:55:16 <OwenS> !stats 14:55:18 <_42_> OwenS: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 14:55:24 <Bjarni> TrueLight: you will never catch up with me by saying one word/line since I actually got clever stuff to say 14:55:32 <Bjarni> more than you can with a single word 14:55:47 <TrueLight> !kick Bjarni 14:55:48 <hylje> grimrc1: that should do it 14:56:06 <grimrc1> you gonna create a patch and test? 14:56:24 <grimrc1> or should I? 14:56:32 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-165-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:41 <grimrc1> I've only got 0.4.8 stable 14:57:07 <hylje> ive it in trunk 14:57:25 <Bjarni> TrueLight: TrueLight talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 29 times! <-- well, you managed to beat me in that one xD 14:57:52 <Bjarni> and the one word/line approach will ensure that you keep that title 14:57:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81805.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Don't give me logic, give me emotions!] 14:59:25 <ln-> what's the max number of players in multiplayer currently? 14:59:50 <OwenS> ln-: 8 players 10 clients 14:59:59 <Celestar> back later 15:00:08 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:00:14 <grimrc1> somebody was working on a patch weren't they? 15:00:44 <hylje> what type of diff is used 15:00:53 <hylje> or patch 15:00:58 <Darkvater> blue 15:03:09 * JohnUK89 is in shock 15:04:16 <MeusH> izhirahider, clockwise and counterclockwise are in heightmap import window 15:05:09 <izhirahider> MeusH, do you have a screenshot? 15:05:22 <izhirahider> is it a button, a tooltip, a text 15:06:14 <hylje> yay 15:06:16 <MeusH> a drop-down item 15:06:25 <hylje> http://hylje.fi/files/ottd/png-first.diff 15:06:26 <MeusH> Przec. do wsk. zeg. fills the length 15:07:02 <MeusH> izhirahider, go to create scenario -> heightmap -> choose random png from your HDD, and you will see these things at the bottom of the window 15:07:48 <glx> works with bmp too if you don't have png :) 15:08:06 <glx> you can import screenshot if you want 15:08:32 <glx> that gives funny results 15:08:34 <blathijs> hylje: unified diff normally, which is the output of "svn diff" 15:08:47 <hylje> thats gnu diff, but k 15:09:18 <blathijs> works too :-) 15:09:27 <CIA-2> truelight * r6067 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (10 files in 2 dirs): [MakefileRewrite] -Move: moved the strgen project files to projects/ too 15:09:33 <blathijs> hylje: the second field, is that what get's stored in the config dir? 15:09:33 <hylje> updated 15:09:37 <blathijs> s/dir/file/ 15:09:44 <hylje> it doesnt store anything 15:10:04 <hylje> it just moves the png to be first try when it doesnt know what format to use 15:10:12 <blathijs> it does, if you select a format in the settings 15:10:19 <blathijs> not your patch, but openttd in general 15:10:22 <hylje> yep 15:10:28 <hylje> but thats about default behaviour 15:10:49 <ln-> allowing more than 10 clients to connect OpenTTD running on Windows XP would be against the Windows license, wouldn't it? 15:10:50 <blathijs> ie, I'm wondering if this will break stuff (as it would if the config file would store screenshot_format = 1 or something) 15:11:25 <hylje> blathijs: backwards compability is a bitch 15:11:29 <grimrc1> this is pretty good: http://hylje.fi/files/rofl.jpg 15:11:29 <Darkvater> it stores string 15:11:32 <Darkvater> eg bmp, png 15:11:46 <blathijs> hylje: yup, but we do need it.. 15:12:06 <izhirahider> MeusH, got it 15:12:07 <hylje> but according to darkvaer theres no problems 15:12:11 <blathijs> Darkvater: good, in that case the patch looks sound 15:12:29 <hylje> im next going to hack into chat stuff 15:12:32 <blathijs> hylje: The patch file now contains 2 types of patches, btw 15:12:42 <hylje> heh true 15:12:42 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:12:44 <hylje> i did it wrong 15:12:46 <hylje> :P 15:13:09 <grimrc1> yeah the screenshot thing looks like it's well-designed, with the types being addressed by name ("PNG", "BMP", ...) 15:13:24 <hylje> but again, fixed 15:13:53 <hylje> should i try to rip the chat stuffs off network* 15:14:51 <grimrc1> what are you trying to do? 15:14:58 <hylje> make the chat usable 15:16:08 <hylje> i think that also involves adding keyboard shortcuts too 15:17:20 <grimrc1> wow yeah; you'd think the console already has that; it looks well-designed 15:17:22 <Belugas> Muwhahah! Have fun ;) 15:17:49 <grimrc1> hylje: you want 'o' key to be binded to "Owned!!!!" 15:17:58 <hylje> and "l" to "lolololol" 15:18:09 <hylje> but really 15:18:36 <grimrc1> heh 15:21:08 <grimrc1> "l" to "lollers!" 15:22:11 <hylje> so writing lol giefs lollers! owned!!!! lollers! 15:23:40 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:24:54 <grimrc1> I want to add 4 console commands too: hide_mouse & show_mouse to be able to hide & show the mouse; hide_gui & show_gui to be able to hide & show the gui; 2 console variables: mouse_shown (0 or 1) and gui_shown (0 or 1) 15:25:09 *** Wombles [~wombles@gethsemane.odgers.id.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:36 <grimrc1> "No available language packs" - have I missed something? 15:27:13 <glx> english.lng 15:27:28 <glx> in lang dir 15:27:47 <grimrc1> changelog.txt:- Fix: use english.lng by default 15:27:48 <grimrc1> hehe 15:30:07 <CIA-2> matthijs * r6068 /trunk/screenshot.c: -Codechange: Switch PNG and BMP priority for screenshots. This ensures PNG is used by default when available. (hylje) 15:30:21 <hylje> yay. 15:30:24 <Bjarni> :D 15:30:46 <Bjarni> whenever I make a screenshot, I make it, change the setting and make a new one 15:30:47 *** glx [~glx@AAubervilliers-152-1-70-62.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 15:31:02 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:25 <hylje> from a bug spotting to commit in about an hour, heh 15:31:37 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:31:45 <hylje> a hour even 15:32:49 <Maedhros> you were right first time - an hour ;) 15:33:06 <hylje> im all confused during the evening 15:33:27 <hylje> i didnt remember that the phonetics count when detemining a or an 15:34:19 * JohnUK89 may be moving tomorrow...:| 15:35:24 <MeusH> bye 15:35:31 <JohnUK89> MeusH, you off? 15:35:44 <MeusH> I'll eat something and let my computer get cool 15:35:49 <MeusH> it stinks with burn plastic 15:35:56 <JohnUK89> MeusH, okies, cya later 15:36:00 <MeusH> cya 15:36:02 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 15:36:11 <grimrc1> heh 15:40:47 <Bjarni> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2594001728160235294 <-- LOL 15:41:23 <Bjarni> * JohnUK89 may be moving tomorrow...:| <-- why? 15:41:27 <Bjarni> you got tired of us? 15:41:43 <hylje> hahahah.. ha. 15:41:51 <JohnUK89> Bjarni, noooo moving HOUSE! 15:42:19 <Bjarni> hmm 15:42:24 <ln-> i don't believe you are that strong! 15:42:29 <JohnUK89> I won't be between York and Leeds any more, I'll be in Leeds itself 15:42:45 <peter1138> you poor sod 15:42:46 * Bjarni wonders if it's too late to recall the thunder at your house 15:43:26 <JohnUK89> grrrr 15:44:54 <Sjoerd-> rarw 15:45:23 <grimrc1> I think I may need to use my Gentoo ebuild to get openttd installed properly again 15:46:15 <hylje> why? just use svn and make it in place 15:46:36 <grimrc1> hylje: I can't get the Makefile.config directories right for some reason 15:47:21 <grimrc1> what is make upgradeconf? 15:47:31 <grimrc1> make dep basically? 15:48:29 <Bjarni> basically it's a quick way to generate Makefile.config if you lack it 15:48:41 <grimrc1> make install fails on cp screnario/* coz there's nothing in screnario/ heh 15:48:56 <Bjarni> I noticed 15:49:10 <Bjarni> the trunk got a readme file in it to ensure that it will not fail 15:49:26 <Darkvater> finally! 15:49:29 <Darkvater> boss's gone home 15:49:30 <Darkvater> sjees 15:49:40 <Darkvater> so much for my work today ^^ 15:50:13 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:17 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:32 <grimrc1> heh 15:50:37 <grimrc1> where'd you work? 15:50:45 <Bjarni> <JohnUK89> I won't be between York and Leeds any more, I'll be in Leeds itself <-- are you scared of York? 15:50:55 <Bjarni> you mean it's still full of vikings? 15:50:57 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 15:51:02 <MeusH> hi 15:51:03 <grimrc1> I think it's his ASBO 15:51:45 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:52:17 <JohnUK89> Bjarni, nah lol 15:52:19 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:52:22 <Brianetta> They're gonna taste ace 15:52:25 <Brianetta> They're gonna taste ace! 15:52:33 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:36 <Brianetta> I can hear the sound of fisties hittin gmy face! 15:52:38 <JohnUK89> I've been moving gradually away from york though..I was born there 15:53:07 <MeusH> JohnUK89, Saro planted a bomb near York 15:53:13 <MeusH> consider yourself more safe 15:53:15 *** Wombles [~wombles@gethsemane.odgers.id.au] has joined #openttd 15:53:43 <JohnUK89> MeusH, I feel more safe :P 15:54:08 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 15:54:25 <Brianetta> There's a bomb in Leeds. 15:54:36 <Brianetta> Commonly known truth. 15:54:49 <Brianetta> It's in the Cornmarket 15:54:53 <Brianetta> and it's nuclear 15:55:01 <grimrc1> ? 15:55:07 <Brianetta> Every month it has a 50-50 chance of detonation 15:55:08 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:55:18 <Brianetta> Leeds folk have been *very* lucky (: 15:55:36 <JohnUK89> The "Cornmarket" doesn't exist, it's called the Corn Exchange ;-) 15:55:43 <Brianetta> Whatever, I'm not from there 15:56:22 <Brianetta> It's not going to exist when it goes off (: 15:56:40 <JohnUK89> In an attempt to make it more cool they took the E off, and made it the Corn Xchange. They also put loads of teenage-oriented shops in there 15:56:46 <Brianetta> With the strength of a nuke, it'll probably rain corn *here* 15:56:58 <Brianetta> and condoms and goth clothes 15:57:09 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey_iBook: I was just wondering about you and your Xcode installation project 15:57:12 <JohnUK89> There's no corn in there any more ;-) 15:57:20 <Brianetta> You're saying it's not corny? 15:57:24 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey_iBook: did you get it to work? 15:57:25 <Brianetta> Have you seen the adult shop? 15:57:35 <JohnUK89> Brianetta, no, I'm 17 lol 15:57:37 <Brianetta> Two words: 15:57:39 <Brianetta> Penis candles. 15:57:44 <Bjarni> o_O 15:57:53 <Brianetta> yes 15:58:04 <Brianetta> and furry handcuffs 15:58:05 <JohnUK89> O_o 15:58:12 <Bjarni> I have never been in an adult shop 15:58:13 <Brianetta> and sweets shaped like anatomical bits 15:58:17 <Bjarni> they are too weird for me 15:58:31 <hylje> wtf 15:58:42 <hylje> anyway 15:58:48 <hylje> the chat code is way fragmented :/ 15:58:49 * Bjarni hurries up and rates the channel 18+ 15:58:49 <grimrc1> hehehe 15:59:28 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has left #openttd [Too young for this channel] 15:59:31 <Bjarni> JohnUK89: Brianetta just acted in a way, that forces me to tell you to delete your log 15:59:40 *** lolman [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 15:59:46 <Bjarni> JohnUK89: Brianetta just acted in a way, that forces me to tell you to delete your log 16:00:11 <Bjarni> lolman: you are a grownup, right? 16:00:12 <lolman> Oooerr :S 16:00:18 <hylje> okay. is static void ClientList_SpeakToClient(byte client_no) 16:00:22 <hylje> for a player 16:00:24 <Brianetta> Bjarni: I never said anything rated 18 16:00:27 <Bjarni> lolman: I mean at least 23 16:00:29 <hylje> and static void ClientList_SpeakToPlayer(byte client_no) 16:00:30 <Brianetta> 15 perhaps, but still probably only PG 16:00:31 <hylje> to a company 16:00:37 <lolman> Bjarni, I'm 17 16:00:37 <hylje> (in network_gui.c) 16:00:53 <Bjarni> ... 16:01:01 <Bjarni> lolman: you got a lot of stuff to learn 16:01:14 <lolman> I know lol 16:01:16 <Bjarni> like when you are too young to be in a place, you are all of a sudden much older 16:02:23 <lolman> :P 16:02:29 <MeusH> hylje: for all players, if player's company = my company, SpeakToClient 16:02:45 <MeusH> however, it would be better to make it in a server 16:02:56 <MeusH> thus creating SpeakToCompany would be better 16:03:00 * Bjarni wonders why Brianetta was looking at penis candles 16:03:12 <Bjarni> I would never do such a thing 16:03:22 <Brianetta> Bjarni: They were under the glass counter top 16:03:29 <MeusH> I though one may buy either artifictial penis or a candle 16:03:29 <Brianetta> and I didn't want to look at the latex stuff 16:03:33 <Brianetta> or the posters 16:03:35 <MeusH> but never heard of penis candles 16:03:39 <Brianetta> or the penetrative toys 16:03:45 <MeusH> ouch 16:03:52 <Brianetta> MeusH: They had penis lollipops too 16:04:01 <MeusH> and wtf is that? 16:04:10 <lolman> This thunder is getting bad... 16:04:17 <MeusH> a lollipop you can touch your penis with? 16:04:19 <lolman> as is the lightening 16:04:25 <Bjarni> Brianetta: well... did they had anything for people, who are normal? 16:04:28 <MeusH> or you put that lollipop somewhere? 16:04:39 <Brianetta> MeusH: It's a confection 16:04:47 <Brianetta> You put it in your mouth 16:05:02 <Brianetta> but it's humorously shaped 16:05:03 <hylje> MeusH: yeh. i was thinking about rounding up all the chat stuff first 16:05:19 <Bjarni> lolman: I think it's peaking right now 16:05:35 <lolman> Bjarni, okies, if the power goes it's your fault 16:05:42 <Bjarni> no 16:05:53 <MeusH> hylje: if you perform the operation on the client's side (simultanous chat to many players) it will certainly take more bandwitch 16:05:53 <Bjarni> you can't blame me for not buying an UPS 16:06:02 <MeusH> both player's upload and server's download 16:06:10 <lolman> I can blame you for not providing me with the money to buy one 16:06:12 <MeusH> hence ChatToCompany would be better 16:06:18 <MeusH> but probably more difficult one 16:06:40 <MeusH> Bjarni: *what* is peaking? 16:06:50 <lolman> Yep, it's peaking! 16:06:51 <Bjarni> MeusH: thunder at lolman's 16:07:10 <MeusH> ohh, I thought you were telling us some pervert things 16:07:13 <MeusH> :) 16:07:20 <hylje> MeusH: i believe there is already a player -- company -- all distinction 16:07:26 <hylje> MeusH: i aim at making them usable 16:07:29 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:07:34 <MeusH> good hylje :) 16:07:42 <Brianetta> There is, but it requires significant mouse use for each message 16:07:58 <Bjarni> <MeusH> ohh, I thought you were telling us some pervert things <-- now that's the oddest reply I have ever got when talking about the weather 16:08:01 <hylje> get what i meant with "usable"? 16:08:08 <Brianetta> I knew already 16:08:10 <MeusH> Brianetta: that shop must be for total sick perverts 16:08:17 <Brianetta> MeusH: It's in Leeds... 16:08:31 <Brianetta> It's not as good as Anne Summers (: 16:08:40 <Bjarni> <MeusH> Brianetta: that shop must be for total sick perverts <-- yeah, makes you wonder what Brianetta was doing there 16:08:53 <grimrc1> ... with penis candles 16:09:07 <Bjarni> who is Anne Summers? 16:09:14 <grimrc1> heh 16:09:35 <grimrc1> she owns a lingerie clothing line 16:09:39 <grimrc1> and more 16:09:47 <Bjarni> ahh 16:10:45 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D67D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:11:19 <MeusH> Brianetta: is it because Leeds some sick town? 16:11:44 <hylje> so where are keyboard stuff stored at 16:11:49 <Brianetta> MeusH: It's where goth started 16:11:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:12:05 <grimrc1> got thunder here, and I'm in the loft 16:12:14 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:12:19 <MeusH> Goth? These from >2000 years ago? 16:12:27 <MeusH> or these girls in black makeup? 16:13:03 <hylje> and corsets n dresse 16:13:07 <hylje> and overall black n white 16:13:47 <Bjarni> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8811551493740102634 <-- tiger vs monkey.... looks really funny 16:14:52 <hylje> wtf 16:15:09 <Belugas> good question DaleStan_, really good question, on translation and plural form... 16:16:35 <Bjarni> Belugas: yeah... I still wonder what to reply 16:16:44 <Bjarni> I'm not even sure I know the answer 16:17:10 <Belugas> basically, we have to write the code for it. 16:17:45 <Bjarni> I think so too 16:17:50 <Belugas> well.. maybe not 16:18:01 <Belugas> newgrf_text.c:156 TranslateTTDPatchCodes 16:18:06 <Belugas> could be the answer 16:18:11 <Bjarni> hmm 16:18:18 <Belugas> problem is, i don't remember waht is the code for plural 16:19:09 <Belugas> because then, it would be easy to ask translators to provide default plural form for each langs 16:19:15 <Belugas> and supply it 16:19:32 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:43 <grimrc1> open("/mnt/hda/hda2/openttd/openttd.cfg", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 16:19:52 <grimrc1> how come all my directory settings are being ignored? 16:19:58 <OwenS> ? 16:20:33 <grimrc1> I'm not making openttd correctly somehow 16:20:52 <OwenS> What are you trying to do? 16:21:07 <grimrc1> build openttd 0.4.8 from an unpacked source 16:21:15 <OwenS> And whats the problem? 16:21:30 <grimrc1> running it; all the data paths are set up wrongly 16:21:41 <blathijs> grimrc1: IIRC directory settings are only used if INSTALL := 1 16:22:08 <grimrc1> I do something like this: ./configure then edit Makefile.config and Makefile and then make and then make install INSTALL:=1 16:22:27 <OwenS> INSTALL:=1? Why :=? 16:22:40 <Bjarni> Brianetta: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6955469812484980576 <-- this one is for you and your family 16:22:43 <blathijs> you should do the INSTALL:=1 thing while making too, not just when make installing 16:22:51 <OwenS> :=? 16:22:55 <grimrc1> oh 16:22:58 <OwenS> Where is this := coming from? 16:23:08 <grimrc1> from make install (prints out a message) 16:23:13 <blathijs> OwenS: dunno, it's make(file) syntax I think 16:23:36 <Bjarni> INSTALL:=1 != INSTALL=1 in makefile symtax 16:23:37 <Brianetta> Bjarni: Seen it. Birth control is practiced in my family. 16:23:42 <OwenS> Well, INSTALL=1 is most shells syntax, unless your using some kind of pascal shell :P 16:23:44 <Brianetta> If it wasn't, we'd have taken over. 16:23:48 <blathijs> # INSTALL: If not set, the game uses the directory of the binary to 16:23:49 <blathijs> # store everything (lang, data, gm, save and openttd.cfg), this is the `old' be 16:24:05 <blathijs> haviour 16:24:07 <grimrc1> oh cool 16:24:10 <grimrc1> that's what I need to do 16:24:21 <Bjarni> <Brianetta> Bjarni: Seen it. Birth control is practiced in my family. <-- man, your family is horny o_O 16:24:22 <grimrc1> there doesn't seem to be any readme's apart from the config files themselves 16:24:33 <blathijs> grimrc1: There's docs in the Makefile itself 16:24:39 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:24:46 <grimrc1> yeah that's the only place I can find anything 16:24:58 *** lolman [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:06 <Brianetta> Bjarni: Indeed so. 16:25:07 <blathijs> that's where this comment was pasted from, and there's more about this subject 16:25:09 <grimrc1> little confusing compared to other packages 16:25:27 <Bjarni> grimrc1: I wrote make install because people really, really wanted it. I never used it myself and I'm not sure how good it is. I think it's safe to say that it could be buggy ;) 16:25:41 <grimrc1> ohhh 16:26:09 <grimrc1> why isn't openttd like all the other projects with their ./configure && make && make install ? 16:26:23 <Brianetta> grimrc1: Only make is required 16:26:41 <grimrc1> make INSTALL:=1 16:27:07 <blathijs> grimrc1: we're currently rewriting the entire makefile thing to be more consistent, userfriendly and fast 16:27:27 <OwenS> blathijs: Why not just use CMake or AutoMake and be done with it? 16:27:30 <blathijs> Bjarni: make install works, my debian package uses it 16:27:32 <grimrc1> I might look at patching the sample.cat error message because it's a little confusing when it says "it might be missing (looking in wrong place?), but it might be corrupted - your guess" 16:27:40 <blathijs> OwenS: because it is overkill for openttd I think 16:28:03 <OwenS> blathijs: But A) Most packages use Automake and B) It's pretty easy to setup 16:28:14 <OwenS> CMake is, while less common, very easy to setup and use 16:28:15 <Bjarni> <blathijs> Bjarni: make install works, my debian package uses it <-- well, then I presume that I did a great theoretical job :) 16:28:18 <blathijs> grimrc1: it is confusing because make install is a hack to the original makefile ;-p 16:28:19 <Brianetta> Checking for kernel telepathy module... found. 16:28:19 <Brianetta> Reading mind for configuration defaults... 16:28:24 * TrueLight slaps CIA-2 16:28:32 <TrueLight> !openttd commit 16:28:34 <_42_> Commit by truelight :: r6070 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (projects/openttd.sln projects/openttd.vcproj source.list) (2006-08-23 16:27:52 UTC) 16:28:36 <_42_> [MakefileRewrite] -Codechange: reordered source.list to indicate section, which are used to generate project files 16:28:36 <blathijs> Bjarni: I did need to fix it here and there ;-p 16:28:37 <_42_> -Test: first test of the project generation code 16:28:39 <grimrc1> blathijs: well, I mean openttd says that when it runs; regardless of how it's made 16:29:06 <stillunknown> automake does results in serious overhead on smaller apps 16:29:23 <grimrc1> blathijs: thanks for the make INSTALL:=1 tip! it's worked 16:29:23 <Bjarni> blathijs: ok, I can believe that 16:29:31 <stillunknown> (especially if you to use all the auto* commands) 16:30:14 <grimrc1> yay the PNG "priority" patch works 16:30:22 *** Ammler [~Ammler@144.145.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 16:31:46 <grimrc1> a thought: shouldn't PCX also be above BMP? 16:32:14 <blathijs> grimrc1: go ahead and improve the error message, would be welcom 16:32:15 <blathijs> e 16:33:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host108-62.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 16:34:04 <grimrc1> will get round to it @ some point 16:34:25 <blathijs> :-) 16:34:43 <TrueLight> I am looking for someone with MSVC2003 or MSVC2005 16:34:45 <TrueLight> !openttd commit 16:34:48 <_42_> Commit by truelight :: r6071 /branches/makefile_rewrite/projects/ (openttd_vs80.sln openttd_vs80.vcproj) (2006-08-23 16:34:26 UTC) 16:34:50 <_42_> [MakefileRewrite] -Test: also generated project file for MSVC 2005 16:35:10 <Wolf01> hi 16:36:00 <TrueLight> nobody MSVC here? 16:36:06 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 16:36:18 <TrueLight> you guys going to tell me you all use either mingw or *nix? 16:36:21 <TrueLight> I can't believe that :p 16:37:11 <peter1138> hmm? 16:37:20 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176114054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:37:25 <peter1138> i have vs 2005... 16:37:32 <TrueLight> So why don't you speak up then? :) 16:37:37 <TrueLight> can you use it too right now? 16:37:37 <peter1138> cos i'm busy? 16:37:41 <TrueLight> excuses! 16:37:43 <Belugas> maybe he does not have time? 16:37:44 <TrueLight> bad bad exuses! :) 16:38:37 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 16:38:49 <JohnUK89> grrr@Bjarni 16:38:52 <MaulingMonkey_iBook> I have MSVC2005 and time 16:38:54 <JohnUK89> Had a power cut 16:39:03 <Gonozal_VIII> i also have msvc 2005 16:39:11 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey_iBook: then can you try something for me? You have SVN too? 16:39:12 <Brianetta> You rich kids 16:39:19 <MaulingMonkey_iBook> Yep 16:39:21 <TrueLight> rich? I doubt if any of them is legal :p 16:39:23 <MaulingMonkey_iBook> check the latest project file? 16:39:33 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey_iBook: please checkout svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/makefile_rewrite 16:39:41 <TrueLight> and try opening the project file in projects/ 16:39:43 <MaulingMonkey_iBook> I just have the free Express version :P 16:39:55 <MaulingMonkey_iBook> Will do. 16:40:02 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176103021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:06 <TrueLight> I just generated that project file 16:40:11 <TrueLight> and I want to know if the content is okay :) 16:40:18 <TrueLight> I have _no_ way to test that here ;) 16:41:15 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:38 <MaulingMonkey> C:\dev>svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/makefile_rewrite 16:41:40 <MaulingMonkey> svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.openttd.org': A connection attempt failed becaus 16:41:41 <MaulingMonkey> e the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or establ 16:41:43 <MaulingMonkey> ished connection failed because connected host has failed to respond. 16:41:44 <MaulingMonkey> C:\dev> 16:41:52 <MaulingMonkey> :( 16:41:58 <TrueLight> works fine here 16:42:05 * MaulingMonkey kicks svn 16:42:19 <TrueLight> svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/makefile_rewrite 16:42:48 <MaulingMonkey> svn update in my working dir also does not work <_< 16:43:00 <MaulingMonkey> There must be a routing issue going on at the moment or something. 16:43:56 <hylje> "scheluded for immedietiate rewrite after 0.4.0" 16:44:00 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 16:44:23 <JohnUK89> Bjarni, ping? 16:44:30 <blathijs> hylje: what part is that again? 16:44:37 <MaulingMonkey> I hit a brick wall for pinging as soon as I get to hop 11. Hop 10 was unknown.level3.net [212.72.46.54] 16:44:55 <blathijs> oh boy, level3 broke again? ;-) 16:45:05 <MaulingMonkey> Looks that way. 16:45:08 <MaulingMonkey> *sigh* 16:45:25 <hylje> blathijs: window.h:74-75 16:45:47 <hylje> i find some minor wtfs here 16:46:01 <DaleStan> Exactly the same here. Including the fact that it dies at hop 11. 16:46:27 * MaulingMonkey does ping -t svn.openttd.org and waits for successful requests to come back up 16:47:01 * MaulingMonkey wanders off to grab some breakfast 16:48:36 <hylje> so could someone give me some insight to where are keyboard shortcuts generally found 16:49:15 <Brianetta> Between Escape and the keypad Enter, generally 16:49:34 <hylje> heheh 16:50:22 <Gonozal_VIII> Project file 'F:\makefile\projects\yapf\unittest\unittest_vs80.vcproj' could not be loaded. 16:50:22 <Gonozal_VIII> The project is either missing from disk or access was denied. 16:50:36 <TrueLight> Gonozal_VIII: ignore 16:51:11 <Gonozal_VIII> ignoring... 16:51:14 <TrueLight> Gonozal_VIII: is the rest okay? 16:51:19 <TrueLight> can you open files 16:51:22 <TrueLight> can you compile OpenTTD? 16:51:42 <grimrc1> window.c: // Handle pressed keys ? 16:51:53 <Gonozal_VIII> loads of errors and fatal errors 16:51:58 <grimrc1> grep -i keys *.[ch] 16:52:07 <TrueLight> hmm 16:52:10 <TrueLight> that sucks :p 16:52:15 <TrueLight> any indication why fatal errors? 16:52:22 <Gonozal_VIII> openttd - 395 error(s), 1 warning(s) 16:52:24 <hylje> i did grep for keys, but that didnt really give hints 16:52:24 <TrueLight> (and trunk does compile normally?) 16:52:37 <MaulingMonkey_iBook> Ouch lol. 16:52:43 <MaulingMonkey_iBook> You didn't set compile mode to C++ did you? 16:52:47 <grimrc1> grep -n -i keys *.[ch] is better (-n shows line number) 16:52:49 <Gonozal_VIII> trunk and miniin both compile 16:53:03 <TrueLight> Gonozal_VIII: with an unmodified project file? 16:53:25 <MaulingMonkey_iBook> trunk compiled yesterday with an unmodified project file at least 16:53:30 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know how to modify any file so... yep 16:53:58 <grimrc1> grep -n -i keypress *.[ch] 16:54:04 <TrueLight> so, show me the first error 16:54:31 <Gonozal_VIII> many "no such file or directory" errors 16:54:40 <grimrc1> looks ... er ... complicated 16:54:46 <hylje> mm 16:54:48 <TrueLight> see, that clears it up 16:55:17 <grimrc1> does 'keypress' help? 16:55:36 <hylje> im looking at it 16:55:38 <grimrc1> the console seems to handle keypresses itself when it's open 16:55:43 <hylje> of course 16:55:51 <hylje> it catches all the characters 16:55:58 <TrueLight> I hate MSVC 16:56:11 <grimrc1> which is probably sensible 16:56:13 <Gonozal_VIII> f:\makefile\src\yapf\track_dir.hpp(32) : error C2143: syntax error : missing '{' before '&' 16:56:13 <Gonozal_VIII> f:\makefile\src\yapf\track_dir.hpp(32) : error C2059: syntax error : '&' 16:56:13 <Gonozal_VIII> f:\makefile\src\yapf\track_dir.hpp(32) : error C2061: syntax error : identifier 'operator' 16:56:17 <Gonozal_VIII> some of these 16:56:27 <TrueLight> hmm, I understand the problem 16:56:29 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D67D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:56:30 <TrueLight> of course it doesn't work 16:56:33 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D67D.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:48 <TrueLight> Please modify the project file, Include Dirs, add ../src/ 16:57:21 <MeusH> hylie: e windowevent 16:57:23 <MeusH> keypress 16:57:28 <MeusH> in *_gui.c 16:57:46 <MeusH> look for WE_PAINT 16:58:00 <MeusH> and somewhere near you should find something like WE_KEYPRESS 16:59:06 <TrueLight> General MSVC question: after compiling, the openttd.exe is in Release\openttd.exe, right? But the data files are in data\? So you need to manual copy it? 16:59:25 <hylje> yep. 16:59:28 <Gonozal_VIII> yep 16:59:30 <TrueLight> and nobody 16:59:32 <TrueLight> came up with the idea 16:59:36 <TrueLight> to just add a Custom Build rule? 16:59:56 <DaleStan> Or you can just run it from MSVC. 17:00:03 <TrueLight> but then it misses the data-files 17:00:06 <Gonozal_VIII> <-- stupid n00b, i just did what's in the wiki 17:00:26 <MaulingMonkey_iBook> No it dosn't miss the data files <_< 17:00:39 <TrueLight> so you copy them to the Release\ dir? 17:00:42 <MaulingMonkey_iBook> It sets the CWD to the solution root, not Release\ 17:00:43 <DaleStan> No, it doesn't. MSVC runs it with the correct working directory. 17:00:49 <TrueLight> ah 17:00:59 <TrueLight> so that will be yet an other problem 17:00:59 <TrueLight> heeh 17:01:31 <MaulingMonkey_iBook> My desktop shortcut is the same - "C:\dev\src-openttd-working\Release\openttd.exe" as the target, "C:\dev\src-openttd-working\" for the "Start in". 17:01:46 <MaulingMonkey_iBook> Works like a charm. 17:02:42 <TrueLight> Gonozal_VIII: can you find the Include Dir in Project Files? 17:02:55 <MaulingMonkey> Unlike level3.net, which is being a pain in the ass :( 17:03:10 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: it doesn't even suprise me 17:03:29 <Gonozal_VIII> no 17:05:11 <TrueLight> it really is there : 17:05:11 <TrueLight> p 17:05:54 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:27 <MaulingMonkey> Yay 17:06:38 <MaulingMonkey> level3 is not being retarded anymore I guess 17:06:42 <TrueLight> good 17:07:03 <MaulingMonkey> checking out branches\makefile_rewrite 17:07:58 <Gonozal_VIII> all my experiences with visual c are open the .sln thing, press f7, wait some moments and then copy the files into the game dir^^ 17:07:58 <Wolf01> Q: there is a limit for the map size? 17:08:12 <TrueLight> yes, 1024x1024 :) 17:08:15 <TrueLight> euh 17:08:18 <TrueLight> 2048x2048 17:08:19 <TrueLight> lol 17:08:28 <Wolf01> no, not the fixed limit 17:08:34 *** TronBSD is now known as Tron 17:08:37 <hylje> deving all the time but forgetting game mechanics :b 17:08:48 <Wolf01> is virtually possible to have 65536x65536 maps? 17:08:55 <blathijs> Wolf01: I _think_ so 17:08:57 <TrueLight> Wolf01: in theory, yes, there is 17:09:01 <TrueLight> but that is just theory 17:09:05 <TrueLight> 4kx4k shows problems 17:09:10 <hylje> well 17:09:14 <TrueLight> (if we ignore the time needed for generation :p) 17:09:23 <hylje> ottd needs to get multithreaded to support really big maps 17:09:27 <TrueLight> but I guess anything bigger then 4kx4k is impossible in MP :) 17:09:35 <hylje> one cpu is not going to handle anything more than 4kx4k 17:09:38 <TrueLight> like that would really help 17:09:39 <MaulingMonkey> Yeah, that project file falls apart when it hits the extern "C" statement since that dosn't exist in C itself 17:09:43 <Wolf01> memory, weight and gen time ignored 17:09:52 <hylje> and of course shitloads of memory 17:09:55 <MaulingMonkey> And it's interpreting dmusic.cpp as C because it's in C compile mode. Switching to default... 17:10:04 <TrueLight> hmm 17:10:07 <MaulingMonkey> (e.g. extension based) 17:10:13 <hylje> i think at that point we could use a slave-master multiplayer method for really large games 17:10:17 <TrueLight> the cpp thing is easy fixed 17:10:20 <TrueLight> can you do it manually for me? 17:10:30 <TrueLight> extern "C" I don't see what can cause that 17:10:37 <hylje> so the server does all the work and just gives the clients info on demand 17:10:41 <MaulingMonkey> Already done, all it seems to be complaining about now is table/strings.h 17:10:44 <Wolf01> maybe a google-earth-style handling, you load only 256*256 chunks 17:10:52 <hylje> Wolf01: yep that can help too 17:10:55 <TrueLight> I have drafts for that yes 17:10:55 <MaulingMonkey> I'll copy over trunk's 17:10:57 <TrueLight> but OpenTTD isn't ready 17:11:08 <TrueLight> no, don't 17:11:12 <TrueLight> I am trying to make thisone to work 17:11:13 <MaulingMonkey> ? 17:11:16 <TrueLight> not to know if the trunks is working :p 17:11:17 <TrueLight> hehe 17:11:21 <TrueLight> table/strings.h is indeed a problem 17:11:26 <MaulingMonkey> Ahh. 17:11:43 <TrueLight> normally you were in / 17:11:49 <MaulingMonkey> One sec I have more relevant errors 17:11:50 <TrueLight> and it is generated in /table/strings.h in that case 17:11:54 <TrueLight> now we are in /projects 17:11:55 <Gonozal_VIII> 2048^2 map is somewhere around 7-8mb so 65536x65536 would be like 8gb?^^ 17:12:00 <TrueLight> and it has to go to /src/table/strings.h ;) 17:12:05 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away] 17:12:08 <hylje> Gonozal_VIII: like that 17:12:16 <MaulingMonkey> TrueLight: Before the table/strings.h errors: http://hstuart.dk/paste/view.aspx?id=dc52ad03-9c58-4b2f-92bc-75b9f353b4e7 17:12:32 <hylje> it would be crazy awesome to have year 0-5000000 games in a quad cpu 16GB mem monster server 17:12:39 <hylje> or.. distributed computing? 17:12:53 <TrueLight> huh? I don't get that error 17:12:58 <grimrc1> openttd is already multithreaded right? can autosave be made to be non-blocking (or less blocking)? 17:13:08 <OwenS> grimrc1: No, it's single threaded 17:13:11 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 17:13:18 <TrueLight> it just had thread-code :) 17:13:21 <GoneWacko> Hmm, question: In what 'direction' do tileindices increase in value? Are tiles counted in horizontal rows (which I suppose is also the way they're drawn) or..? 17:13:21 <grimrc1> OwenS: why does it depend on pthreads? 17:13:35 <OwenS> grimrc1: Because SDL does? 17:13:43 <TrueLight> no, OwenS, what a bullshit 17:13:43 <grimrc1> oh 17:13:46 <MaulingMonkey> I cannot open strgen.c double clicking on it 17:13:47 <grimrc1> oh? 17:13:55 <TrueLight> both saving as world generation uses a thread 17:14:02 <OwenS> OK, TGP does now 17:14:03 <TrueLight> but that is all that has threads 17:14:13 <TrueLight> and saving a game has it for ages now 17:14:15 <OwenS> A dual CPU will not help matters speed wise 17:14:20 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: DOH! Forgot that file :) 17:14:21 <TrueLight> hehe 17:14:21 <hylje> i think industry seeding could use a thread 17:14:25 <grimrc1> TrueLight: saving uses a separate thread?? 17:14:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:34 <TrueLight> HELLO! Welcome to OpenTTD! 17:14:40 <OwenS> grimrc1: Only AutoSaves I think? 17:14:42 <MaulingMonkey> No, the path just dosn't seem to have been updated, lemme fix that. 17:14:53 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: yeah, you just have to redirect it 17:14:59 <TrueLight> OwenS: please, stop talking 17:15:02 <grimrc1> OwenS: is that in a version > 0.4.8 (which I have) 17:15:13 <TrueLight> grimrc1: I believe it even is in 0.4.5 17:15:20 <TrueLight> ever noticed the Zzz mouse cursor 17:15:26 <TrueLight> and in the statusbar: SAVING GAME 17:15:32 <TrueLight> and that you could still move around in the map? 17:15:34 <TrueLight> that is called threading 17:15:34 <CIA-2> truelight * r6070 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (projects/openttd.sln projects/openttd.vcproj source.list): 17:15:34 <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Codechange: reordered source.list to indicate section, which are used to generate project files 17:15:34 <CIA-2> -Test: first test of the project generation code 17:15:34 <CIA-2> truelight * r6069 /branches/makefile_rewrite/configure: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: updated the configure a bit, fixed a possible unneeded reconfigure 17:15:35 <CIA-2> truelight * r6071 /branches/makefile_rewrite/projects/ (openttd_vs80.sln openttd_vs80.vcproj): [MakefileRewrite] -Test: also generated project file for MSVC 2005 17:15:39 <grimrc1> yeah I have; but it seems to pause still 17:15:41 <TrueLight> Welcome back CIA-2 17:15:45 <MaulingMonkey> Now it just dosn't seem to update table/strings.h correctly >_> 17:15:51 <TrueLight> it pauses a bit yes 17:15:54 <grimrc1> like on network 17:15:57 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: yeah, let me think.... 17:15:58 <blathijs> grimrc1: thing is, even threaded saving needs a small pause to capture the game state 17:16:07 <grimrc1> blathijs: yeah I was wondering about that problem 17:16:17 <TrueLight> it in fact saves the game to memory 17:16:18 <blathijs> but it's kinda fundamental 17:16:19 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:23 <TrueLight> the rest is zlib and writing 17:16:34 <MaulingMonkey> It's the langs project that fails... lemme see here... 17:16:37 <GoneWacko> bah, nobody answering me. Then I shall have to go with my intuition :p 17:16:41 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: yes, let me think 17:16:42 <TrueLight> :s 17:16:53 <grimrc1> I suppose the only way to minimize the autosave pause, is to make game-state changes atomic and try to cleverly keep running? 17:16:57 <TrueLight> GoneWacko: use QueryTile to find out 17:16:59 <MaulingMonkey> probably just more pathing issues 17:17:08 <blathijs> grimrc1: yup, which is hell to implement 17:17:13 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: yeah, OpenTTD assumes a lot 17:17:16 <MaulingMonkey> strgen\debug\strgen.exe ? I think that's the problem already :) 17:17:30 <TrueLight> that in fact isn't really the problem 17:17:30 <grimrc1> blathijs: presumably it would have other bonus benefits though 17:17:38 <MaulingMonkey> Yes, now I've updaded to "cannot open lang/english.txt" 17:17:51 <MaulingMonkey> TrueLight: Sure it is. debug is in the solution root, not the project root. 17:18:00 <MaulingMonkey> debug\strgen.exe is the correct path. 17:18:00 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:06 <TrueLight> For now :p 17:18:13 <TrueLight> Debug\strgen.exe even 17:18:23 <grimrc1> thanks for explaining that to me anyway; I'm sending off my patch to xdpyinfo @ the moment 17:18:23 <TrueLight> will become ..\objs\debug\strgen.exe 17:18:25 <TrueLight> if I get my way :) 17:18:31 <MaulingMonkey> <3 case insensitive file systems :P 17:18:56 *** scia_ is now known as scia 17:19:42 <MaulingMonkey> Yeah, now the only problem is that all of the lang dir is missing :P 17:19:56 <TrueLight> pfff.. MSVC is hellish 17:20:24 <MaulingMonkey> Not for me, but then again, I have the benifit of having it installed :P 17:20:40 <TrueLight> strgen only works in debug omde? 17:21:27 <TrueLight> to fix the languages 17:21:34 <TrueLight> prefix the InputPath with 17:21:44 <TrueLight> ..\src\ 17:21:50 <TrueLight> Maybe ..\..\src\ 17:22:20 <TrueLight> or maybe even src\ 17:22:43 <TrueLight> most likely returns errors because there is no 'lang' dir 17:23:04 <TrueLight> hmm 17:23:08 <TrueLight> easier: change OutputDirectory 17:23:12 <TrueLight> to ..\src 17:24:00 <MaulingMonkey> :S 17:24:07 <GoneWacko> woah, scary world generation window :p 17:24:20 <GoneWacko> hadn't seen that yet :o 17:24:25 <MaulingMonkey> trying to figure out where the heck it's trying to find lang/ 17:24:39 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: in current dir 17:24:46 <TrueLight> OutputDirectory="." 17:24:46 <TrueLight> IntermediateDirectory="." 17:24:50 <TrueLight> change those to ..\src\ 17:24:56 <TrueLight> and you will be fine 17:25:02 <MaulingMonkey> which seems to currently be /projects >_< 17:25:08 <TrueLight> of course it is 17:25:13 <TrueLight> so please try what I say 17:25:19 <MaulingMonkey> Hai hai... one sec... 17:25:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:25:38 <TrueLight> then of course commandline fails 17:25:47 <TrueLight> which has to be ..\Debug\strgen.exe in that case 17:25:49 <MaulingMonkey> .\Debug => ..\src\Debug right? 17:25:59 <TrueLight> no 17:26:11 <TrueLight> there is no debug in langs_vs80.vcproj 17:26:22 <TrueLight> CommandLine="strgen\debug\strgen.exe" 17:26:24 <TrueLight> only thatone 17:26:31 <TrueLight> which should become ..\debug\strgen.exe 17:26:39 <MaulingMonkey> Whoops sorry wrong project :S 17:26:56 <TrueLight> :) 17:27:38 <TrueLight> hmm, I think I know a nice solution 17:27:47 <MaulingMonkey> It still can't find lang\ 17:28:04 <TrueLight> you changed both outputdir as intermediatedir? 17:28:07 <MaulingMonkey> Yes. 17:28:10 <TrueLight> hmm 17:28:16 <TrueLight> CommandLine="strgen\debug\strgen.exe "$(InputPath)"
" 17:28:23 <MaulingMonkey> Tried ..\ by itself too which is what I would've expected, that also did not work. 17:28:43 <TrueLight> change that line to .... 17:28:56 <MaulingMonkey> Oh wait I see what you did there and why you're refering me to src, duh 17:28:57 <TrueLight> ..\debug\strgen.exe "..\src$(InputPath)... 17:29:04 <TrueLight> .... 17:30:06 <GoneWacko> Hmm 17:30:07 <MaulingMonkey> Still no dice, wth :S 17:30:30 <TrueLight> show me your diff and what you have now 17:30:50 <GoneWacko> looks like it's counted in diagonal rows from topright to bottomleft, then. That makes things yet more complicated :p 17:32:37 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: MaulingMonkey_iBook] 17:33:14 <MaulingMonkey> http://homepage.mac.com/pandamojo/patches/changes.diff 17:33:50 <MaulingMonkey> I'm going to revert and update to get us on the same exact page here >_> 17:34:14 <TrueLight> MSVC sucks : 17:34:14 <TrueLight> p 17:34:52 <TrueLight> okay, let me first make some changes to the other files 17:35:07 <TrueLight> you now switch to CompileAs="0" 17:35:17 <TrueLight> I assume it now autodetects the type of compile? 17:37:50 <MaulingMonkey> Ahh, you mean that change I made? Yes. 17:37:55 <TrueLight> good 17:38:01 <MaulingMonkey> This also causes the .cpp files to compile correctly :P 17:38:33 <TrueLight> k, then we have that 17:38:38 <CIA-2> truelight * r6072 /branches/makefile_rewrite/projects/ (4 files): [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: some fixed to MSVC project files (MaulingMonkey) 17:39:13 <grimrc1> I've uploaded the xdpyinfo patch to x.org; hopefully it'll be in 7.2: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7968 17:40:24 <blathijs> grimrc1: nice :-) 17:40:44 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: I need a moment to check strgen 17:41:04 <MaulingMonkey> Yeah, I'm bringing that up too 17:41:07 <TrueLight> ah, yes yes 17:41:21 <TrueLight> let's try american.txt for a moment 17:41:30 <TrueLight> please update and revert any or all changes :) 17:41:47 <TrueLight> Then... american.txt... edit the commandline of it 17:41:49 <MaulingMonkey> strgen.c has lang/english.txt hardcoded even with a command line argument <_< 17:41:59 <TrueLight> yes, it has many things hardcoded 17:42:17 <TrueLight> strgen\debug\strgen.exe "$(InputPath)"
 17:42:20 <TrueLight> can you find this text 17:42:23 <TrueLight> on american.txt 17:43:06 <MaulingMonkey> All the langs paths are still screwed up, one sec 17:43:38 <TrueLight> and no other changes at all to the language project 17:43:42 <TrueLight> We fix the others later 17:43:56 <TrueLight> anyway, the line above has to become... 17:44:12 *** MGVs [~maquina@bby64.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:44:25 <TrueLight> debug\strgen.exe "..\src$(InputPath)"
 17:44:27 <MGVs> hello 17:44:44 <TrueLight> it needs an other change too, but we will get to that later 17:44:48 <TrueLight> first this should run 17:44:49 <TrueLight> hi MGVs 17:45:27 <MaulingMonkey> It still complains that it cannot open lang/english.txt and fails to generate a strings.h 17:45:33 <TrueLight> yea 17:45:37 <TrueLight> but can't you ignore that? 17:45:43 <TrueLight> and continue with amarican.txt? 17:46:24 <MaulingMonkey> No, because even selecting american, it tries to do english and only english anyways it seems unless I'm misunderstanding the source <_< 17:46:38 <TrueLight> okay, please remove that custom build-rule 17:46:44 <TrueLight> Description="Generating strings.h" 17:46:44 <TrueLight> CommandLine="strgen\debug\strgen.exe" 17:46:45 <TrueLight> Thatone 17:46:47 <TrueLight> just remove it 17:46:48 <MGVs> i've got a question: are changes in reliability (or their causes) described somewhere? 17:46:52 <MaulingMonkey> Alright. 17:47:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 17:47:08 <TrueLight> MGVs: I have no idea... wiki or forum maybe? 17:48:26 <MaulingMonkey> Now I get: 17:48:28 <MaulingMonkey> 1>------ Build started: Project: langs, Configuration: Debug Win32 ------ 17:48:30 <MaulingMonkey> 1>Generating turkish language file 17:48:31 <MaulingMonkey> 1>The system cannot find the path specified. 17:48:33 <MaulingMonkey> 1>Project : error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Generating turkish language file" 17:48:36 <TrueLight> no, just american :( 17:48:38 <MGVs> well, i've searched both, wiki says almost nothing while forum posts' titles don't say much bout it. 17:48:43 <TrueLight> or change the turkish how I suggested 17:48:56 <MaulingMonkey> I'm not even seeing that build rule, it dosn't appear in the IDE 17:49:07 <TrueLight> it is there 17:49:08 <TrueLight> last item 17:49:22 <TrueLight> lang\turkish.txt 17:49:32 <MaulingMonkey> Under Build Events right? 17:49:40 <MaulingMonkey> of the langs project? 17:49:48 <TrueLight> the same place as where american.txt is 17:50:09 <TrueLight> I have never ever seen MSVC2005 in my life, so don't ask me where things are stored :) 17:50:13 <TrueLight> I just see the source :) 17:50:15 <MaulingMonkey> 'cause the IDE only has space for one "Pre-Build Event", and that's where the american one was. 17:50:32 <TrueLight> hehe 17:50:36 <TrueLight> the Pre-Build event was table/strings.h 17:50:44 <TrueLight> you are now looking for a CustomBuild 17:51:30 <MaulingMonkey> The langs project has no Custom Build Event page :( 17:51:36 <TrueLight> try the files 17:52:20 <MaulingMonkey> Man you're doing something crazy 0_o. Alright, so crop that all out but american? 17:52:32 <TrueLight> for example 17:53:12 <MaulingMonkey> Ooooh I see what you're doing 17:53:28 <MaulingMonkey> You're putting them as file property custom steps, not project property custom steps 17:53:36 <TrueLight> I am doing nothing 17:53:40 <TrueLight> that is how it already is :p 17:54:00 <MGVs> the reason i ask is that reliability of trains on a particular route falls quickly (and that's independent from vehicles age) 17:54:00 <MaulingMonkey> you crazy OpenTTD creators then :P 17:54:37 <TrueLight> MGVs: sorry, I can't help you.. you might want to wait till someone else wakes up who knwos the answer, but I believe not many people are currently alive 17:54:41 * TrueLight shots around in the channel 17:54:43 <TrueLight> maybe it helps ;) 17:55:26 <MGVs> TrueLight: thanks anyway, i think i'll post something on forum then :] 17:55:51 <TrueLight> most likely the fastest way 17:56:00 *** MGVs [~maquina@bby64.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [Leaving] 17:56:33 <MaulingMonkey> ... I like how the turkish language file step still fails because it can't find the english file <_< 17:56:43 <TrueLight> hmm 17:56:46 <TrueLight> that indeed is a problem 17:56:53 <TrueLight> for linux I just copy the english file to a temp dir 17:56:56 <TrueLight> from which I work 17:57:00 <TrueLight> so 17:57:02 <TrueLight> for the fun of it 17:57:05 <TrueLight> go so projects/debug 17:57:08 <TrueLight> make a dir called lang 17:57:10 <TrueLight> put in there english.txt 17:57:12 <TrueLight> and try again 17:57:16 <MaulingMonkey> Will do. 17:58:43 <MaulingMonkey> ...still no dice 17:58:46 <MaulingMonkey> wth 17:58:54 <TrueLight> what does it say? 17:59:35 <MaulingMonkey> It still can't find the bloody english file 17:59:49 <TrueLight> projects\debug\lang\english.txt exists? 18:00:08 <MaulingMonkey> there we go 18:00:16 <MaulingMonkey> I had to put it in projects\lang\english.txt 18:00:22 *** jonrox [~io@host21-139.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 18:00:45 <MaulingMonkey> Now it just complains it cant find the turkish file, yay! 18:00:56 <MaulingMonkey> And that's just 'cause the project path is incorrect anyways, lemme fix that 18:01:06 <TrueLight> yeah, but that is okay 18:01:07 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:01:14 <TrueLight> so at least it does something ;) 18:01:30 <MaulingMonkey> :-) 18:01:51 <Wolf01> bbl 18:01:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host108-62.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has quit [Quit: e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro] 18:04:47 <MaulingMonkey> are the .lng files being output to src\ as well? 18:04:52 <MaulingMonkey> or should I not replace those paths? 18:06:46 <TrueLight> they are now places there yes 18:06:48 <TrueLight> which sucks 18:07:10 <TrueLight> I need to know, can a file have multiple CustomBuild lines? 18:08:28 <MaulingMonkey> Well, each file can have it's own, yes. 18:08:46 <MaulingMonkey> Oh wait, multiple per file? 18:08:49 <MaulingMonkey> No 18:08:53 <TrueLight> bah 18:09:10 <MaulingMonkey> You could build a batch script, that's about it 18:09:57 <TrueLight> yeah 18:09:59 <TrueLight> a bit weird 18:13:00 <MaulingMonkey> Okay, I've got the paths all fixed in alngs_vs80.vcproj, although I have them all outputting to lang, not src\lang 18:14:17 <TrueLight> hmmz, it is tricky 18:14:19 <MaulingMonkey> Need to add the master rule back in though 18:15:57 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: only also one prebuild and postbuild rule? 18:15:59 <Darkvater> http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060823.jpg 18:16:00 <Darkvater> :D 18:16:17 <MaulingMonkey> TrueLight: Yes. 18:16:26 <TrueLight> MSVC sucks ass 18:16:34 <TrueLight> how can you put everything on one line?! 18:16:40 <TrueLight> I do remember MSVC6 could have multiple lines 18:17:42 <MaulingMonkey> :-/ 18:17:50 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 18:18:21 <Darkvater> what is branches/makefile? 18:19:52 <hylje> truelight rewrites the makefile stuffs 18:19:58 <MaulingMonkey> .... "lang/english.txt(2878): FATAL: rename() failed" 18:20:07 <TrueLight> lol! 18:21:41 <MaulingMonkey> tables must not exist in the CWD 18:21:59 <MaulingMonkey> eeeehrg 18:22:15 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6073 /trunk/ (langs.dsp strgen/strgen.dsp strgen/strgen.dsw): -We have removed MSVC6 support, so remove strgen and langs project files as well. 18:22:19 <MaulingMonkey> This is making me feel constipated 18:22:25 <Darkvater> hylje: no that is makefile_rewrite 18:22:57 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: miika] 18:23:20 <hylje> k 18:24:36 <MaulingMonkey> Yay, now it only fails due to missing resources 18:24:54 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: 18:24:55 <TrueLight> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/langs_vs80.vcproj 18:24:57 <TrueLight> what does that do? 18:25:01 <MaulingMonkey> fixed the path to strings.h in ai/trolly or w/e 18:25:25 <MaulingMonkey> and changed WriteStringsH("table/strings.h"); to WriteStringsH("../src/table/strings.h"); in strgen.c 18:25:37 <MaulingMonkey> Fixed all the langs_vs80.vcproj paths 18:27:37 <MaulingMonkey> Fail miseribly I can already tell. InputPath expands to a fully specified name 18:27:49 <MaulingMonkey> so ..\src$(InputPath) is going to end up like ../src/C:\dev\... 18:27:59 <TrueLight> oh, I was going to change those 18:28:03 <MaulingMonkey> And not be in the right dir at all since RelativePath is still messed 18:28:20 <TrueLight> no, OutputDir is changed 18:28:47 <MaulingMonkey> Oh, that makes more sense than a search/replace like I did I guess :S 18:28:51 <TrueLight> updated 18:28:58 <MaulingMonkey> Wait, no, outputdir shouldn't affect that 18:29:02 <MaulingMonkey> relative paths are from the input dir 18:29:04 <MaulingMonkey> <_< 18:29:11 <TrueLight> reload 18:29:24 <MaulingMonkey> lemme save this copy 18:29:54 <TrueLight> I am kind of guessing with what MSVC can handle 18:30:07 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has joined #openttd 18:30:12 <MaulingMonkey> :S 18:30:20 <TrueLight> for sure it is unbelievable limited in his actions 18:31:43 <MaulingMonkey> still fails 18:31:53 <TrueLight> a bit more detail please? 18:31:53 *** Trenskow [~outlet@5634fe47.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:31:54 <MaulingMonkey> it's looking in projects\lang still like I thought, not src\lang 18:32:13 <TrueLight> idiotic 18:33:06 <MaulingMonkey> Nothing a search and replace can't deal with, fortunately 18:34:55 <MaulingMonkey> there we go, got it compiling. 18:34:58 <TrueLight> is there a configure option to change the current working dir? 18:35:03 <MaulingMonkey> A few minor path changes here and there. 18:35:06 <TrueLight> yeah, but you copied english.txt :p 18:35:14 <MaulingMonkey> Oh right, lemme deal with that 18:35:35 <MaulingMonkey> The only copy to keep is src/lang/english.txt right? 18:35:56 <TrueLight> I rather have thatone removed too 18:36:05 <TrueLight> and project/debug/lang/english.txt you mean I think 18:36:21 <MaulingMonkey> ... all the language .txts are in /src/lang/ 18:36:29 <TrueLight> then I don't understand what you mean with 'copy' 18:36:44 <MaulingMonkey> I mean the original place where it should be 18:36:54 <TrueLight> Still lost you ;) 18:36:55 <TrueLight> hehe 18:37:04 <MaulingMonkey> Copy as in instance of that file, not copy as in "extra place it'll be" 18:37:34 <TrueLight> Still lost you :) Haha :) Try saying it in a different way 18:37:37 <MaulingMonkey> Let me rephrase. There should only be one english.txt file 18:37:44 <TrueLight> yes 18:37:50 <MaulingMonkey> This should be branches\makefile_rewrite\src\lang\english.txt correct? 18:37:52 <TrueLight> yes 18:38:04 <MaulingMonkey> OK. I will delete all the extra clones I made trying to get it to work :P 18:38:06 <TrueLight> I am trying to have it so there is no need for extra copying upon compiling 18:40:48 <MaulingMonkey> Uhg this is hackerish. 18:40:55 <TrueLight> yup 18:41:17 <MaulingMonkey> I've replaced strgen's lang/ paths with ../src/lang/ 18:41:43 <MaulingMonkey> Which should work unless you're trying to build OpenTTD in the root directory, in which case you need to be shot anyways. 18:41:53 <TrueLight> yup :p 18:42:54 <MaulingMonkey> Other changes are: fixing ottdrse.rc paths (icons were moved to media), ai\trolly\trolly.c to using the correct path to strings.h, and of course all the file paths in langs_vs80.vcproj 18:43:22 <TrueLight> ottdres.rc is a bit nasty, because by MSDN it isn't allowed to use relative paths 18:43:38 <TrueLight> but show me your diff 18:43:59 <MaulingMonkey> .... it allready was 18:44:08 <MaulingMonkey> uploading.. 18:44:34 <MaulingMonkey> http://homepage.mac.com/pandamojo/patches/makefile_rewrite_fix.diff 18:45:03 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176114054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:28 <TrueLight> nasty fixs :) 18:45:34 <MaulingMonkey> Yes. Very nasty. 18:45:40 <TrueLight> but I guess it is the only real solution to avoid all the hackish stuff I have now for both linux as windows 18:46:09 <MaulingMonkey> But it works, and should work, and should continue to work until someone gets around to fixing up strgen to have less hardcoded paths 18:46:35 <MaulingMonkey> unless VS2k3 can't handle ".." in relative paths like VS2k5 can. 18:46:58 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176114054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:47:01 <Darkvater> it can 18:47:20 <MaulingMonkey> ... this dosn't want to run quite yet though. 18:47:23 <MaulingMonkey> Ehrg. 18:47:37 <MaulingMonkey> I guess I should've tested that first before uploading the patch. 18:47:43 <TrueLight> of course it doesn't work :p 18:47:49 <TrueLight> lang files are in a complete different location 18:47:59 <TrueLight> they have to be copied to bin/lang 18:48:04 <TrueLight> as openttd.exe should be copied to bin/ 18:48:10 <MaulingMonkey> bin/lang ? 18:48:34 <MaulingMonkey> ... 18:48:41 <TrueLight> yes 18:48:50 <MaulingMonkey> That'd make running Release and Debug builds side by side a pain in the ass. 18:48:52 *** mikk36[EST] [mikk36@pc164.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:49:14 <TrueLight> not really 18:49:23 <TrueLight> if you like, don't copy openttd.exe 18:49:29 <TrueLight> but do copy language files 18:49:32 <TrueLight> as they are the same for every build 18:49:55 <MaulingMonkey> Oh, you're not refering to an eventual automated step? 18:50:10 <TrueLight> depends on what you windows guys consider useful 18:50:42 <TrueLight> for sure we no longer want any generated files in src/ 18:50:48 <TrueLight> it should contain _only_ source files 18:50:54 <MaulingMonkey> I like how it is in trunk, where the .exe s are just in Debug/Release 18:50:56 <MaulingMonkey> right 18:52:13 <TrueLight> anyway, strgen needs modification 18:52:53 <TrueLight> I think just an other optional param 18:52:58 <TrueLight> which indicates the output file 18:54:21 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Blargh.] 18:54:59 <MaulingMonkey> Yeah. 18:55:09 <MaulingMonkey> I'm just too lazy to code all that and update everything else as well. 18:55:23 <TrueLight> hehe, np :) 18:55:25 <TrueLight> tnx for your time btw :) 18:55:32 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc116.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:32 <MaulingMonkey> np 18:56:00 <MaulingMonkey> I'm making final minor modifications where Debug/Release go into the root instead of projects/ 18:56:24 <TrueLight> would be good yes 18:56:37 <Darkvater> objs\Debug|Release 18:56:37 <TrueLight> maybe even objs/release 18:56:43 <TrueLight> then it matches linux builds too 18:56:53 <TrueLight> (how ever that might be useful) 18:57:11 <Bjarni> back 18:57:28 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: did you manage to install Xcode 2.4 and make a universal binary? 18:57:48 <MaulingMonkey> Bjarni: Not yet, sorry, got distracted 18:57:55 <glx> Bjarni: let him work with MSVC for now :) 18:59:06 <Bjarni> ohh 18:59:17 <Bjarni> a dualminded Monkey 18:59:59 <grimrc1> btw, is the top toolbar supposed to be left-justified while the bottom one is centre-justified? (0.4.8) 19:00:26 <glx> grimrc1: there's an option to move it 19:00:40 <grimrc1> oh; just wondering 19:01:28 <MaulingMonkey> ...shit, what'd I mess up this time 19:04:06 <Bjarni> <glx> Bjarni: let him work with MSVC for now :) <-- since when is windows more important than OSX? 19:04:20 <Bjarni> just wondering 19:04:34 <glx> for makefile_rewrite it is :) 19:04:47 <Bjarni> ahh 19:04:50 <Bjarni> hmm 19:05:10 <Bjarni> can the makefile rewrite handle universal binaries? 19:05:14 <Bjarni> I better check that 19:05:32 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:05:34 <TrueLight> not yet 19:05:43 <Bjarni> then there is something to work on 19:08:50 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 19:10:13 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 19:12:27 <MaulingMonkey> Ahh right I see the problem here now 19:13:08 <MaulingMonkey> strgen is passed a full path so twiddling with the CWD like this isn't helping anything. 19:15:32 <MaulingMonkey> And MSVC is being retarded, since I can't compound arguments with && like I can with command. 19:16:25 <Bjarni> <MaulingMonkey> And MSVC is being retarded <-- we learned that ages ago ;) 19:16:32 <CIA-2> truelight * r6074 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: on OSX, never make zlib static 19:16:37 <MaulingMonkey> har har lol 19:16:44 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: short, fuck MSVC :p 19:16:50 <MaulingMonkey> Yay, I can use a post build event for this 19:17:17 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:18:16 <Owner> hi again 19:18:36 <Bjarni> there is the owner 19:18:49 <Bjarni> actually what is it that you own? 19:18:58 <Owner> what 19:19:09 <Bjarni> it's not OpenTTD, it's not the channel, it's not me, so what is it? 19:19:19 <Bjarni> I mean, you are a Owner, right? 19:19:26 <Owner> yea 19:19:48 <Bjarni> which would indicate that you own something, right? 19:20:13 <CIA-2> truelight * r6075 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix r6074: forgot an other instance 19:20:16 <grimrc1> Owner: did you read that C tutorial? 19:20:29 <Owner> yeah 19:20:37 <grimrc1> all of it?? 19:20:45 <Owner> yeah 19:20:52 <grimrc1> so you understand C now? 19:21:02 <Bjarni> so you know everything there is to know about C by now? 19:21:29 <Sjoerd-> is autorenew a client or server side patch? Or both perhaps? 19:22:09 <Owner> yea 19:22:43 <grimrc1> here's another one just so you can brush up: http://cplus.about.com/od/beginnerctutoria1/l/blctut.htm 19:22:50 <Bjarni> Sjoerd-: kind of both. Each company got their own setting 19:23:25 <Bjarni> Sjoerd-: there is a known issue where the company can have a different setting than the patch setting. This will be fixed... some day 19:24:31 <Sjoerd-> because i have tried to use it but nothing happens 19:24:50 <Sjoerd-> and replacing 90 busses by hand sucks :) 19:25:09 <Bjarni> then it sounds like you got your settings out of sync 19:25:19 <Bjarni> use the old computer trick to fix stuff 19:25:24 <Bjarni> turn it off and on again 19:25:29 <Sjoerd-> old computer trick? 19:25:41 <grimrc1> long known by the ancients 19:25:51 <grimrc1> it's all-natural 19:25:51 <Owner> replacing 90 buses wow 19:25:57 <Bjarni> this will make the patch setting to be in sync with how the game behaves 19:26:13 <Sjoerd-> ok 19:27:33 <Sjoerd-> it doesn't work just yet 19:27:39 <Bjarni> hmm 19:27:49 <Bjarni> do you get the old vehicle warnings? 19:28:26 <Bjarni> and (this might be a stupid question) do you have enough money? :) 19:28:45 <Sjoerd-> yeah i'm checking the other settings 19:28:46 <Bjarni> take into account that there is a renew money setting 19:29:10 <Sjoerd-> autorenew is on, autorenew when vehicle is 12 month before/after max age, and i have enough money 19:29:41 <Bjarni> and still nothing happens? 19:29:51 <Sjoerd-> or should it be -12 month before/after? 19:29:51 <Bjarni> what does the news tell you? 19:30:06 <Sjoerd-> news... it's turned off all 19:30:16 <MaulingMonkey> O MAI GAHD 19:30:18 <MaulingMonkey> IT RUNS 19:30:20 <Bjarni> -12 is one year before they reach max age, while 12 is one year after 19:30:30 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: quick, try to catch it! 19:30:45 <Sjoerd-> ok then i think that is what i did wrong 19:30:54 <Bjarni> Sjoerd-: enable news about vehicles to see if it tells you anything 19:30:55 <MaulingMonkey> Lemme redo the patch and make sure it works right 19:31:25 <Sjoerd-> it works now :) 19:31:46 <Sjoerd-> thanks, i tried both -12 and (+)12 but maybe it was the bug 19:31:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:56 * Bjarni craps that bug as a user error 19:32:08 <Sjoerd-> fine :) 19:32:32 <Bjarni> Sjoerd-: that will be EUR25 for tech support 19:32:42 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:39 <Sjoerd-> sounds like a good idea 19:33:40 * Gonozal_VIII gives bjarni 25 black squares 19:33:51 <Sjoerd-> who was the person that could give bank transfer info again? 19:34:09 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:34:30 <MaulingMonkey> okay what the hell is this patchfile smoking 19:34:49 <Gonozal_VIII> put it out 19:34:53 <MaulingMonkey> I replaces the entire filter rist, seemingly without any reason 19:34:57 <MaulingMonkey> *list 19:35:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:35:17 <Bjarni> Sjoerd-: if you want to give money, then there is the donate button on the homepage 19:35:26 <MaulingMonkey> Oh I see. MSVC is anal about where it wants it's closing carrots. 19:35:46 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf? :S 19:35:59 <Bjarni> * Gonozal_VIII gives bjarni 25 black squares <-- cool, now I only need 7 more to have enough to make a chess board :D 19:36:27 <MaulingMonkey> It replaces 878 lines of RelativePath="..."> with RelativePath="..." *newline* > 19:38:21 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: I just ignored it ;) 19:38:41 <MaulingMonkey> Just leave it in the patch then? Or trim it out? 19:39:23 <TrueLight> I won't apply the patch, just modify my generation code :) 19:39:27 <TrueLight> so it doesn't amtter at all 19:40:10 <MaulingMonkey> I've got more project settings updates for you to get it all in debug\ correctly though :S 19:40:22 <TrueLight> show me 19:40:58 <Owner> omfg it say your transport Giant is incorrect please reinstall the product.! 19:41:14 <Owner> omfg it say your transport Giant is incorrect please reinstall the product! 19:41:18 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_ 19:41:23 <MaulingMonkey> It's still lumped with the original unfortunately: http://homepage.mac.com/pandamojo/patches/makefile_rewrite_fix_v2.diff 19:42:07 <MaulingMonkey> I think I've gotten everything (including strgen) correctly moved into debug instead of src\debug 19:42:14 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:42:29 <TrueLight> k, going to apply those parts 19:42:35 <Owner> omfg it say your transport Giant is incorrect please reinstall the product! 19:42:36 <Owner> omfg it say your transport Giant is incorrect please reinstall the product! 19:42:49 <Owner> i need help 19:42:51 <Owner> ! 19:43:12 <MaulingMonkey> that of course meant I had to reupdate all of lang's paths that refer to debug\strgen instead of src\debug\strgen. There's also a post build step in there which just moves src/lang/*.lng into lang/ 19:43:26 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au reviour!] 19:43:45 <Owner> omfg it say your transport Giant is incorrect please reinstall the product! 19:43:48 <Owner> i need help 19:43:49 <Owner> ! 19:44:13 <Gonozal_VIII> transport giant? 19:44:18 <Owner> yea 19:44:20 <TrueLight> really, it is late for me, I can't read english anymore :( 19:44:42 <Owner> ok 19:45:58 <Gonozal_VIII> this channel is not for transport giant 19:45:59 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-097-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:04 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-097-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:20 <Gonozal_VIII> but try and reinstall the product ;-) 19:46:57 <Owner> ok 19:47:14 <Owner> what produst 19:47:20 <Owner> what product 19:47:28 <TrueLight> OwenS: please, type lines ONCE 19:47:29 <MaulingMonkey> Transport Giant, obviously. 19:48:35 <Owner> yeah 19:48:40 <scia> yeah, blame OwenS :p 19:48:52 <OwenS> OwenS? 19:49:10 <OwenS> I think you mean Owner... 19:49:23 <Owner> yea 19:49:28 <OwenS> TrueLight? 19:49:38 <TrueLight> sorry 19:49:42 <TrueLight> you names look too much the same 19:49:47 <TrueLight> I should ban one of you two 19:49:47 <Owner> truelight 19:50:35 <MaulingMonkey> In #gamedev, we have SiCrane and SiCane 19:50:47 <MaulingMonkey> annoying as hell 19:50:58 <TrueLight> I truely dislike names that close 19:51:28 *** Trenskow [~outlet@5634fe47.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:53:40 <Owner> in need highway for openttd like one-way road 19:53:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:43 <Owner> in need highway for openttd like one-way road 19:53:52 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:53 <OwenS> TrueLight: Hes doing it again :P 19:54:02 <OwenS> I think he needs ze ban :P 19:54:12 <TrueLight> Owner: last warning: type things ONCE 19:54:18 <TrueLight> not again after a X second delay 19:54:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:54:31 <Owner> things once 19:54:32 <OwenS> Especially not a 3 seccond one 19:54:36 <Owner> things once 19:54:46 *** Owner was kicked from #openttd by TrueLight [I really warned you] 19:54:47 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~Owner@74.130.29.*] by TrueLight 19:54:53 <Gonozal_VIII> *rofl* 19:54:57 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~Owner@74.130.29.*] by TrueLight 19:55:01 <MaulingMonkey> Psssch. Lenient. 19:55:18 * MaulingMonkey would rule with an Iron Fist 19:55:26 * MaulingMonkey would probably end up banning himself by accident 19:55:28 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 19:55:43 *** Owner [~Owner@74.130.29.178] has joined #openttd 19:55:49 <Owner> stop 19:56:03 <OwenS> What? 19:56:10 <Owner> kicking me 19:56:18 <TrueLight> Yeah, like it was without any reason 19:56:23 <TrueLight> Next time, the ban will stay 30 minutes 19:56:25 <TrueLight> after that 30 days 19:56:29 <TrueLight> just for your information 19:56:34 <MaulingMonkey> \o/ 19:56:37 <OwenS> And an Op's descision is final 19:56:39 <Owner> lol 19:56:49 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-20-205.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:57:22 *** Owner is now known as openttd 19:57:31 *** Ammler is now known as Ammler_pfuus 19:57:35 *** Ammler_pfuus is now known as Ammler 19:57:39 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 19:58:04 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 19:58:20 <CIA-2> miham * r6076 /trunk/lang/ (french.txt portuguese.txt): 19:58:20 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-08-23 21:57:55 19:58:20 <CIA-2> french - 2 changed by glx (2) 19:58:20 <CIA-2> portuguese - 26 fixed, 3 changed by izhirahider (29) 19:58:23 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:26 <OwenS> Calling yourself is not only silly, stupid and annoying but also immature 19:59:02 * MaulingMonkey dials his own number and leaves a message 19:59:06 <TrueLight> Is it national freak day or something? 19:59:46 <MaulingMonkey> Better a day than a normal modus of operandi 19:59:58 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6077 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] Fix: on OSX, fixed incorrect detection of path to static libpng lib 20:00:18 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:00:31 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:00:37 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #openttd [] 20:00:52 <TrueLight> I am truely wondering what I should do 20:00:53 <MaulingMonkey> Whoops, gotta stop letting the iBook go into suspend mode with Colloquy still open :P 20:00:59 <TrueLight> there are so many funny things to do 20:01:13 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-2291.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:56 *** MeusH[away] is now known as MeusH 20:02:02 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:14 <openttd> kick him 20:02:33 *** openttd was kicked from #openttd by TrueLight [Okay, because you asked so nice] 20:02:36 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~Owner@74.130.29.*] by TrueLight 20:02:42 <TrueLight> Really, I have no problems with such requests 20:02:46 <TrueLight> someone keeps track of the 30 minutes? 20:02:55 <MaulingMonkey> Hehe 20:02:57 <glx> I'll try :) 20:02:59 <MeusH> who was that openttd dude? 20:03:02 <MeusH> !seen openttd 20:03:03 <_42_> MeusH, openttd (~Owner@74.130.29.178) was last seen being kicked from #openttd by TrueLight ( Okay, because you asked so nice) 29 seconds ago (23.08. 20:02), after spending 6 minutes there. 20:03:09 <MeusH> lolman? 20:03:17 <glx> !seen Owner 20:03:19 <_42_> glx, I found 8 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: openttd, Owner, ZZZZZ, transportisfun, spca5xx. openttd (~Owner@74.130.29.178) was last seen being kicked from #openttd by TrueLight ( Okay, because you asked so nice) 44 seconds ago (23.08. 20:02), after spending 6 minutes there. 20:03:43 <MeusH> thanks 20:03:57 *** Dred_furst [Dred.furst@82-37-135-45.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:52 *** Dred_furst [Dred.furst@82-37-135-45.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:07:05 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 20:07:57 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c1b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:32 *** e1ko_ is now known as e1ko 20:11:22 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c1b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:11:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:11:45 <Bjarni> !log 20:11:48 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 20:11:48 <Bjarni> !logs 20:13:04 <OwenS> !seen Owenr 20:13:05 <_42_> OwenS, I found 3 matches to your query: orudge, OwenR, orudge`. orudge (~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) was last seen changing his/her nick from OwenR on #openttd 2 days 19 hours 30 minutes ago (21.08. 00:42). orudge is still there. 20:13:09 <OwenS> !seen Owner 20:13:09 <_42_> OwenS, I found 8 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: openttd, Owner, ZZZZZ, transportisfun, spca5xx. openttd (~Owner@74.130.29.178) was last seen being kicked from #openttd by TrueLight ( Okay, because you asked so nice) 10 minutes ago (23.08. 20:02), after spending 6 minutes there. 20:13:23 <OwenS> 20 minuites to go :P 20:13:47 <TrueLight> at least someone cares 20:15:25 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-0950.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 20:15:38 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.31] has joined #openttd 20:18:44 <DaleStan> Did Level3 break again? 20:19:49 <MaulingMonkey> svn update freezes, guessing so 20:20:01 <MaulingMonkey> tracing... 20:20:33 <MaulingMonkey> Yep, wall at hop 10, unknown.Level3.net 20:21:05 <MaulingMonkey> cox.net might be a bit on the fritz too, one of tracert's pings failed. 20:21:29 <TrueLight> lol 20:21:34 <TrueLight> dns fails on your hostmask MaulingMonkey 20:21:38 <TrueLight> in a weird way 20:22:09 <MaulingMonkey> I guess I'm a freak ;_; 20:22:15 <TrueLight> I can't reach level3 from the server 20:22:29 <TrueLight> I guess a peering dropped 20:23:07 <ln-> what plant is this: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/kasvi.jpg 20:23:12 <TrueLight> it is funny, it leaves the main peering of the ISP, and it returns directly after it :p 20:23:22 <Bjarni> <MaulingMonkey> I guess I'm a freak ;_; <-- yeah, if you try to develop using Xcode and still uses VS to code, then you are :p 20:23:27 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-0950.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:46 <Bjarni> ln-: corn? 20:24:04 <MaulingMonkey> Bjarni: I code on two seperate boxes :P 20:24:23 <ln-> that's what others have suggested too, and i suppose corn is the correct answer. 20:24:37 <MaulingMonkey> My desktop, with it's twin flatscreen monitors, and my nifty portable iBook 20:24:45 <Bjarni> ln-: I got corn in the garden. I know how they look xD 20:24:52 <DaleStan> It's corn, all right. 20:24:57 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_WrK 20:25:16 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: yeah, it could be worse. You could use an intel mac and reboot into windows to code on OpenTTD 20:25:30 *** e1ko_WrK is now known as e1ko 20:25:31 <MaulingMonkey> >_< 20:25:40 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: which country do you live? 20:25:47 <MaulingMonkey> TrueLight: USA 20:25:50 <MaulingMonkey> California 20:25:56 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: the transit connection is failing 20:25:59 <TrueLight> so that can be the reason :) 20:26:05 <MaulingMonkey> Yep. 20:26:13 <TrueLight> (total consumption dropped from 300 mbit/sec to just 50 mbit/sec :p 20:26:19 <TrueLight> good indication something is broken :) 20:26:25 <MaulingMonkey> Yyyyyep 20:26:49 <TrueLight> all transit connections fail 20:26:52 <TrueLight> even the backu ones 20:26:57 <TrueLight> even the backup ones 20:27:01 <TrueLight> (two backup lines, both fail) 20:27:17 <MaulingMonkey> Sounds like a nasty routing issue rather than an actual link failure 20:27:24 <TrueLight> What more is new? 20:27:26 <Belugas> MaulingMonkey, question, have you been able to compile trunk lately? 20:27:32 <MaulingMonkey> Belugas: Yes. 20:27:35 <TrueLight> If Internet is having one problem lately... 20:27:37 <Belugas> since? 20:27:40 <MaulingMonkey> Well on VS anyways, havn't tried Xcode 20:27:43 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_AfK 20:27:59 <OwenS> TrueLight: What data center? 20:28:05 <TrueLight> OwenS: Eweka 20:28:09 <Belugas> i could not yesterday nor monday. Thanks MaulingMonkey 20:28:10 <MaulingMonkey> I don't recall ever having a problem... since around 5800 I think I started grabbing it from SVN? 20:28:12 <OwenS> Never heard of them :P 20:28:23 *** e1ko_AfK [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has left #openttd [] 20:28:23 <MaulingMonkey> Oooh I did add one small patch 20:28:45 <TrueLight> OwenS: we were located at redbus, but eweka now opened their own data center, pretty nice one :) 20:28:46 <MaulingMonkey> just a cast to void on a realloc line, since the VS80 project was treating the warning as an error 20:28:49 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-2676.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 20:28:50 <Belugas> sig stuff? 20:28:54 <Belugas> sign... 20:29:09 <MaulingMonkey> Nah, realloced a (const T *) 20:29:15 <Belugas> can you show/send ? 20:29:18 <MaulingMonkey> Sure, 1 sec 20:29:36 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:57 <MaulingMonkey> http://homepage.mac.com/pandamojo/patches/warning_fix.patch 20:30:01 <MaulingMonkey> should be it 20:30:20 <Belugas> yeah... that one :) 20:30:28 <Belugas> will commit that tonigh :) 20:30:29 <Belugas> thnaks 20:30:31 <MaulingMonkey> \o/ 20:30:33 <MaulingMonkey> np 20:31:42 <DaleStan> Interesting. Despite the breakage, IRC' 20:31:47 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 20:31:56 <DaleStan> ...IRC's not netspliting 20:32:36 <MaulingMonkey> Probably takes a different transit route 20:32:38 <Belugas> it has been once or twice, IIRC, DaleStan 20:32:55 <MaulingMonkey> but both here and afternet have split a few times recently 20:33:22 <MaulingMonkey> afternet was getting DoSed earlier though, so that might not be related. 20:34:43 <ln-> Bjarni: by contrast, corn is in practice doesn't exist on finnish fields. 20:34:43 <DaleStan> Last time QNet split, though, was 8 hours ago, AFAICT. 20:35:45 <Bjarni> ln-: I'm not surprised... you are too far north 20:36:16 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 20:36:26 <MaulingMonkey> Speaking of patches, I've still got that one that fixes the feeder bug ( http://bugs.openttd.org/task/177 ) if anyone wants to apply it :-). 20:38:57 <Bjarni> the issue with that patch is that it's assigned to Celestar 20:39:08 <Bjarni> he have been less than active lately 20:39:30 <MaulingMonkey> That explains why I havn't seen him on 20:40:09 <MaulingMonkey> !seen Celestar 20:40:11 <_42_> MaulingMonkey, Celestar (~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de) was last seen quitting #openttd 5 hours 40 minutes ago (23.08. 15:00) stating "Quit: Lost terminal" after spending 2 hours 1 minute there. 20:40:38 <Bjarni> that's the only time ever he joined this channel after we moved 20:40:44 <MaulingMonkey> Oh yeah, 30 minutes are up by the way TrueLight 20:58:07 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 20:58:13 <ln-> what's the P? 20:58:21 <Bjarni> one is used to transmit date to all clients, while the P one does not 20:58:43 <ln-> what does P stand for? 20:58:59 <grimrc1> why is there a need for DoCommand in the first place? 20:59:15 <MaulingMonkey> Oh yeah, Bjarni, does the makefile used by OS X treat warnings as errors by default like with the VS80 project? 20:59:17 <Bjarni> so say you call a command, like cloning a train, you don't want each client to use DoCommand() to build each unit in the train... that would be a lot of network traffic, so you use DoCommandP 20:59:35 <grimrc1> oh 20:59:48 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: what do you think? I already said that I'm tired of the shitloads of warnings I get when I compile ;) 21:00:12 <MeusH> hmm there is a strange bug(?) in the logs 21:00:13 <MeusH> 23:40:44 < MaulingMonkey> Oh yeah, 30 minutes are up by the way TrueLight 21:00:13 <MeusH> 23:58:07 -!- SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 21:00:17 <MeusH> do you see the gap? 21:00:27 <TrueLight> no 21:00:29 <MaulingMonkey> Oh right, you wouldn't be able to finish the compile without that :P 21:00:33 <MeusH> ... 21:00:35 <Tron> <Bjarni> one is used to transmit date to all clients, while the P one does not <--- exactly the other way round 21:00:40 <glx> MaulingMonkey: justcheck http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/error.log to know :) 21:00:45 <MaulingMonkey> err with that 21:00:45 <Bjarni> oops 21:00:47 <MeusH> TrueLight, lots of text just went away 21:00:59 * TrueLight gives MeusH a hug 21:01:00 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 21:01:00 <TrueLight> !logs 21:01:02 <Tron> DoCommand() just processes a command locally 21:01:04 <TrueLight> here, check what you missed 21:01:20 <Tron> DoCommandP() sends a command over the net 21:01:55 <MeusH> well TrueLight, I was talking about that page you just gave me 21:02:16 <MaulingMonkey> Oooh fun I get a couple minor link errors too 21:02:35 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: as you can see, most of the warnings are due to deprecated functions, but nobody rewrote it to use the new functions instead :/ 21:02:45 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: <!--#Exec cmd='Quit'-->] 21:02:47 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176114054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:02:50 <glx> MeusH: maybe because [22:48:44] SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] a quitté IRC : Ping timeout: 480 seconds 21:03:14 <TrueLight> MeusH: ah :) 21:03:31 <TrueLight> MeusH: SpComb timed out :) 21:03:32 <Bjarni> os/macosx/Makefile.setup:15: Compiling a release build, that is not a universal binary <-- I can live with that warning ;) 21:03:42 <TrueLight> Bjarni: I in fact can't 21:03:54 <Bjarni> why not? 21:04:01 <TrueLight> useless piece of warning 21:08:15 <TrueLight> but MakefileRewrite will solve that a bit nicer 21:08:15 <Bjarni> I added it when I forgot to make a release a universal binary 21:08:15 <glx> print a nice message instead of warning? 21:08:15 <TrueLight> glx: exactly, and on configure, not every compile 21:08:15 <MeusH> thanks glx 21:08:15 <MeusH> silly me 21:08:15 <MeusH> I was almost sure these logs came from the channel itself 21:08:15 <MeusH> not from a bot which is an user 21:08:15 <glx> MeusH: SpComb is not a bot 21:08:15 <MeusH> well a real person talks by SpComb 21:08:15 <MeusH> but probably he's running some app 21:08:15 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D67D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:08:34 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 21:09:28 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:10:18 <JohnUK89> Evening all :) 21:11:37 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:27 <JohnUK89> Had another freakin power cut...cheers Bjarni :P 21:14:54 <Patrick`> MeusH: how else would the logs come from other than a user 21:15:00 <Patrick`> servers don't usually log the chat 21:17:52 <grimrc1> in ConScrollToTile it's got if(argc == 0) print usage info then if(argc == 2) do stuff - but it only takes exactly 1 argument 21:18:11 <Bjarni> JohnUK89: well 21:18:22 <grimrc1> that is, 2 independent ifs - like a switch case 21:18:25 <Bjarni> sounds like you got an unstable power supply 21:18:30 <Bjarni> get an UPS 21:18:37 <JohnUK89> Can't afford one lol 21:18:44 <grimrc1> JohnUK89: we had a lot of power cuts around here recently 21:19:00 <grimrc1> JohnUK89: have you looked around your street to see if you're the only one? 21:19:05 <Bjarni> JohnUK89: go to Leeds, sell your body and you can 21:19:14 <JohnUK89> grimrc1, there's 4 people on the street :P 21:19:29 <JohnUK89> Bjarni, no thanks...I want to remain as I am ;-) 21:19:31 <OwenS> JohnUK89: In the sicks? :P 21:19:32 <grimrc1> JohnUK89: as in, 4 people wondering around complaining about a power cut? 21:19:40 <JohnUK89> OwenS, in the sticks yes 21:19:45 <JohnUK89> grimrc1, nah, 4 people 21:19:46 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:19:52 <grimrc1> oh yeah you're rural 21:19:55 <Bjarni> <JohnUK89> grimrc1, there's 4 people on the street :P <-- so your parents, you and your sibling? 21:20:08 <JohnUK89> Bjarni, i meant 4 houses ;-) 21:20:20 <OwenS> As a side note, could someone stop the rain? I think it's leaking onto the wet concrete :( 21:20:23 <Bjarni> you got a house each? 21:20:37 <JohnUK89> Bjarni, no lol 21:20:58 <JohnUK89> There's 4 houses, each with multiple people in, and all the houses are occupied by different families 21:21:30 <Bjarni> OwenS: that's bad, but can't you do something about it? 21:21:39 <MaulingMonkey> Bleh. So I'm supposed to try and replace QuickDraw with Quartz, I take it? 21:21:47 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D38F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:03 <OwenS> Yes, it's covered. Only not very well, see, we donthave any plastic sheets and the only big bits of wood are inaccessable... 21:22:07 <Bjarni> OwenS: also, you could ruin the concrete by drying it at too high temperate and too low humidity. Then the shell will harden before the core and that will crack it 21:22:40 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: now that would be nice :) 21:22:45 <OwenS> Bjarni: Those conditions are somewhat rare in Britain :P 21:22:47 <Bjarni> since I'm clueless on how to do so 21:23:07 <OwenS> But it would suck if teh core dried and the outside just ran off... 21:23:16 <MaulingMonkey> I've got a porting guide up, but I'm pretty clueless on the subject too 21:23:22 <Bjarni> <OwenS> Bjarni: Those conditions are somewhat rare in Britain :P <-- and you are saying that you got normal weather right now? 21:23:35 <CIA-2> truelight * r6080 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (configure source.list): 21:23:35 <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: sorting source list for Makefile compiles 21:23:35 <CIA-2> -Fix: the order in source.list is important for MSVC, so keep it ordered a bit ;) 21:23:38 <MaulingMonkey> It'd also be a *lot* simpler to just turn the warnings off I bet 21:23:41 <OwenS> Bjarni: Pretty much :P It rains a tonne here... 21:24:19 <StarLite> whats the command to turn off breakdowns in a dedicated server? 21:24:23 <Bjarni> OwenS: we got the most rain in August in 44 years and odds are that we will get even more rain 21:24:30 <Bjarni> that's not normal weather 21:24:40 <OwenS> Meh 21:24:41 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:30:49 *** SpComb^ [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 21:37:08 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 21:37:47 <SpComb> MeusH: I was playing with the firewall, so I jumped around a bit 21:38:16 <SpComb> hmm, interesting... 21:38:24 <SpComb> oh right, this is OFTC not freenode 21:39:09 *** SpComb^ [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:29 *** Ammler [~Ammler@144.145.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:43 *** Ammler [~Ammler@144.145.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 21:51:19 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-196-148.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:54:51 <JohnUK89> Oh Noes... 21:55:17 <Sacro> yesm :( 21:56:09 <MeusH> goodnight 21:56:17 <MeusH> Bjarni: I do like danish people and dutchies :F 21:56:26 <MeusH> bye 21:56:28 <Bjarni> good 21:56:28 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 21:56:53 <Bjarni> he just avoided getting banned in his sleep 21:57:51 <MaulingMonkey> Uhg. Okay, I need to take a break, and then actually use Objective C some before I can even begin to unravel this 21:58:09 <TrueLight> night all 21:58:36 <MaulingMonkey> And from first glance, I dislike it even more than I do C, which is saying something :P 21:58:47 <Patrick`> we know openttd compiles without warning, but what about lint? 21:58:56 <Patrick`> I can't check out an entire tree on this shellhost 22:02:06 *** Guest56 [Gono@N906P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:02:16 <Bjarni> I think Objective C might be great. From what I have read about it, it's a great language, but too few people actually use it. My problem is that I don't know it at all :( 22:02:55 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 22:03:29 <Sacro> C#? 22:04:11 <OwenS> Slow compared to C/C++ 22:05:42 <Patrick`> C# is a bastard cousin of java that microsoft invented 22:05:46 <Patrick`> whilst on the bog 22:07:03 <OwenS> My main criticisms of Objective C are: A) Not many people use it B) Not many decent compilers (GCC does, but theres no decent compiler for Windows for it [I don't call MinGW decent]) C) Its syntax is ugly 22:07:34 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N888P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:12 <Patrick`> you can compile for windows without mingw 22:08:12 <Patrick`> it's ... inter 22:08:13 <Patrick`> esting 22:08:47 <OwenS> Patrick`: Show me a good Windows Objective C compiler... 22:10:21 <OwenS> For example, 22:10:26 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 22:10:51 <OwenS> I find 22:10:51 <OwenS> Forwarder *forwarder = [Forwarder new]; 22:10:51 <OwenS> Recipient *recipient = [Recipient new]; 22:10:51 <OwenS> [forwarder recipient:recipient]; //Set the recipient. 22:10:51 <OwenS> [forwarder hello]; 22:10:51 <OwenS> uglier than the C++ equivelant, and it uses more code 22:11:46 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@15.152.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 22:11:56 <OwenS> The C++ equivelant would be 22:11:56 <OwenS> Recipient *recipient = new Recipient(); 22:11:56 <OwenS> forwarder->hello(); 22:11:57 <OwenS> Woops 22:11:58 <OwenS> Hang on 22:12:04 <OwenS> Damn me missing CTRL 22:12:14 <StarLite> whats the command to turn off breakdowns in a dedicated server? 22:13:05 <OwenS> Recipient *recipient = new Recipient(); 22:13:05 <OwenS> Forwarder<Recipient> * forwarder = new Forwarder<Recipient>(recipient); 22:13:05 <OwenS> forwarder->hello(); 22:13:05 <Bjarni> StarLite: nobody answered before so that might indicate that we are not really sure how or if it's possible 22:14:36 <StarLite> :/ 22:15:12 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:22 *** Ammler [~Ammler@144.145.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:43 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 22:25:03 <MaulingMonkey> Mmhmmhmm!!! 22:26:08 <MaulingMonkey> I know a good way to relax... I will refactor the C++ partial refactoring of OpenTTD with something that should get rid of the god code as well :3 22:29:58 <glx> what do you mean? 22:30:42 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:07 <MaulingMonkey> Well, Tile is like a union on crack. If I move all the accessors to member functions, it bloats up insanely fast, from multiple source files. 22:31:16 <MaulingMonkey> See basically all of *_map.h 22:31:56 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:16 <glx> hmm indeed once all the accessors are done, a new map array implementation is planned 22:32:25 <MaulingMonkey> I'm already using a TileRef thin wrapper to interoperate with the old C Tile structure until such a time as a complete port is ever finished (unlikely), and it occurs to me that this can be expanded on. 22:32:34 <MaulingMonkey> E.g. have BridgeTileRef constructable from TileRef 22:33:04 <MaulingMonkey> I can even throw in a bunch of BOOST_STATIC_ASSERTs to make sure the bits used in Tile arn't used by Tile. 22:33:26 * Sacro scratches himself 22:33:35 <MaulingMonkey> err to be used in BridgeTileRef arn't used by TileRef 22:34:13 <glx> with the new map, we'll get rid of this bit stuff 22:34:21 <MaulingMonkey> Glad to hear. 22:34:23 <Darkvater> we won't 22:34:30 <Darkvater> it'll just be hidden 22:34:39 <MaulingMonkey> Close enough :) 22:34:39 <glx> same effect :) 22:35:27 <MaulingMonkey> This should also have the effect of making my C++ code less brittle to changes 22:35:49 <MaulingMonkey> Adding bridge accessors won't force a recompile of anything that needs to access tiles, only the bits that actually care about bridges 22:38:10 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:38:16 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 22:39:41 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:40:35 <XeryusTC> is one of the people with deeper knowledge about TGP around? 22:40:47 <glx> maybe 22:41:04 <glx> depends of your problem :) 22:41:31 *** Ammler [~Ammler@15.152.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:35 <XeryusTC> does tgen_noise_seed or generation_seed in the config file change the seed that tgp uses? 22:41:41 *** Ammler [~Ammler@15.152.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 22:42:39 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: if you are planning on making map accessors, then you better check out the map branch since they already started 22:42:48 <Rubidium> when you start a new game with 'openttd -g' (and in the dedicated server) it takes the generation_seed from the config file (if I'm correct) 22:42:57 <Bjarni> in fact they have come a long way 22:43:11 <MaulingMonkey> As full blown C++? 22:43:18 <Bjarni> no, as C 22:43:23 <Darkvater> if you drop the ++ then yes 22:43:26 <MaulingMonkey> Heh. 22:43:29 <XeryusTC> Rubidium: i know that, i've been using it, but somehow the server only uses 2^32 or some other seed 22:43:46 <MaulingMonkey> It looked like a bunch of it made it to trunk recently 22:43:50 <MaulingMonkey> but I'll check that out 22:43:54 <glx> XeryusTC: generation_seed is the one displayed in the "terrain generation" window 22:44:13 <MaulingMonkey> I mean all of a sudden I had a "Map Accessors" Filter in the VS project and everything :P 22:44:20 <Mucht> ok guys we have a weird problem: what can cause TGP to generate the same seed all the time, no matter what you try to tell him? 22:44:29 <Mucht> we entered a seed manually - didn't work 22:44:37 <Mucht> we trashed the whole config - didn't work 22:44:43 <XeryusTC> Mucht: <+glx> XeryusTC: generation_seed is the one displayed in the "terrain generation" window <- see ;) 22:44:46 <Mucht> we trashed our grfs - didn't work 22:44:58 * Sacro cries 22:44:59 <Bjarni> <XeryusTC> Rubidium: i know that, i've been using it, but somehow the server only uses 2^32 or some other seed <-- reminds me of a bug TrueLight made when he recoded the network code. He got the same game over and over and then he learned that he used the number of players or something for random seed for map generation 22:44:59 <Mucht> huh? 22:45:46 <Sacro> anyone know an app to allow Windows XP to act as a USB Slave? 22:45:48 <Mucht> ah... 22:46:24 <XeryusTC> btw, where is tgen_noise_seed used for then 22:46:33 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: good night] 22:46:36 <Rubidium> XeryusTC: hmm... it really uses 2^32 - 1, but that is the flag for 'I've got no seed set' 22:46:37 *** Wolfy [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:45 <Bjarni> Sacro: no, but I know that mac firmware can make newer macs boot in target mode, which makes them act like firewire HDs 22:46:55 <Bjarni> just hold down T while booting 22:46:55 <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah, my mate was telling me that 22:47:05 <Rubidium> that is from the very very old TGP, but isn't used anymore; you can remove it from openttd.cfg 22:47:13 <OwenS> Sacro: You mean as a USB device? It's electrically impossible, you will blow your USB card 22:47:14 <Wolfenstiejn> hrm 22:47:15 <Sacro> my mp3 players USB 2.0 DEVICE port has gone 22:47:28 <glx> XeryusTC: nowhere in the code it seems 22:47:29 <Sacro> so i cant mount it to back up my stuff to return it :( 22:47:31 *** Ammler [~Ammler@15.152.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:00 <OwenS> Sacro: At best, connecting 2 USB hosts together will make at least one of them smoke. At worst, you could blow more 22:48:10 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 22:48:31 *** Ammler [~Ammler@15.152.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 22:48:31 <Mucht> Rubidium: XeryusTC misunderstood something 22:48:33 <Sacro> OwenS: hmm, i know the linux kernal allows me to make a hard drive image, and do it all into that 22:48:49 <Mucht> we only have the generation_seed in the config 22:48:56 <Mucht> but we changed it quite often - didn't work out 22:49:01 <Mucht> we always get the same map 22:49:05 <OwenS> Sacro: you CANNOT connect 2 PCs together via USB. Firewire, yes, but USB is ELECTRICALLY INCOMPATIBLE 22:49:12 <Mucht> we can alter the mountain level and roughness - but its basically the same map 22:49:20 <OwenS> The cards dont support it; It lies well outside the specs and will damage or blow them 22:49:25 <Sacro> OwenS: PC and MP3 player 22:49:35 <OwenS> MP3 player is a USB device. 22:49:40 <XeryusTC> OwenS: why do USB networks exist then? 22:49:44 <Sacro> yes, it has host and client support 22:50:04 <OwenS> Yes, ONLY IF YOU HAVE A USB DEVICE CHIP. IT IS FOR >>EMBEDED<< SYSTEMS WHICH HAVE ONE 22:50:07 <Sacro> i could get a major stack of cf cards i suppose 22:50:15 <OwenS> XeryusTC: Theyre for embedded devices to slave off a PC 22:50:21 <Sacro> OwenS: yes...it does have a USB device chips 22:50:37 <OwenS> >>>PCS >>>>>>DONT<<<<<<<<< 22:50:40 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:51:13 <Sacro> OwenS: right, thanks 22:51:28 <Sacro> but i can connect it to an external hard drive... 22:51:36 <OwenS> The external hard drive is a USB device 22:51:54 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:52:59 <OwenS> Oh, you mean the MP3 player? It has some kind of auto detect (Or 2 ports?) 22:53:01 <Sacro> yep 22:53:03 <Sacro> 2 ports 22:53:08 <OwenS> One device, one hosy 22:53:16 <OwenS> You can be both, just not on the same port 22:53:19 <glx> Mucht: it works for me 22:53:31 <Mucht> we use r5993 22:53:34 <Mucht> which one are you on? 22:53:36 <OwenS> Sitting next to me I have a device with 2 USB hosts and 1 device on one chip ^^ :) 22:53:50 <glx> 6076 22:54:08 <Mucht> ok no nightly for that 22:54:32 <Sacro> OwenS: i have about 38GB of stuff i really want off it 22:54:45 <Sacro> and the only way i can think of is via USB HOST port :( 22:55:10 <Mucht> 6068 was broken, so we had to switch back to r5993 22:55:11 <Sacro> 1.1 too 22:55:16 <OwenS> The MP3 player? 22:55:46 <glx> Mucht: what's wrong in 6068 ? 22:55:54 <Mucht> the chat 22:56:01 <OwenS> It's probably tough look; These aren't designed for resiliance 22:56:04 <Mucht> we told TrueLight and he fixed it within seconds :) 22:56:30 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/7124 <-- we need more female beta testers :D 22:57:23 <glx> Mucht: oh I see, the r6078 fix :) 22:57:44 <Sacro> OwenS: hmm 22:58:00 <Sacro> could rip the hard drive out and backup my data...but i need to be able to return it, not had it a year yet 22:58:54 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:59 <glx> Mucht: did you try small numbers (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ...) to see if that gives a different result? 23:03:41 <Sacro> where on earth are the high storage mp3 players 23:04:10 <Mucht> glx: for a dedicated server on linux it only works when restarting a game - according to Rubidium 23:04:20 <Mucht> and I can verify that 23:06:50 <glx> ha ok 23:08:08 <Bjarni> goodnight 23:08:19 <glx> night 23:08:19 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c1b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:08:29 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:09:07 <blathijs> qdb.us -- QL/DB Error -- [User qdb already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connections] 23:20:13 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:20:36 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 23:21:09 *** Buhu [~Buhu@ip51cc6387.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 23:21:49 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 23:23:17 <CIA-2> belugas * r6081 /trunk/graph_gui.c: -Fix(6054) : Silenced a MSVC warning on compiling (thanks MaulinMonkey) 23:24:34 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D38F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:51 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 23:32:10 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B35677.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:46 *** Ammler [~Ammler@15.152.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:42 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@p54B3641B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:42 *** Ammler [~Ammler@15.152.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 23:45:04 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:00 *** Peach [~Peach@cpe.atm2-0-1111159.0x50c6a2e6.odnxx4.customer.tele.dk] has quit [] 23:59:38 *** Ammler is now known as Ammler_pfuus