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00:00:53 <Eddi|zuHause> CEST ;) 00:01:01 <RichK67> whatever 00:01:07 <RichK67> GB +1 hr 00:01:28 *** Peach [~Peach@cpe.atm2-0-1111159.0x50c6a2e6.odnxx4.customer.tele.dk] has quit [] 00:01:43 <RichK67> not much point me uploading now... 3 days to go till next build :( 00:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause> does linux actually notify me when summer time ends? (like windows does) 00:02:15 <RichK67> i do a lot of my work late at night... (11pm - 3am UK) so a 1am build is a pain 00:02:50 <Eddi|zuHause> tell him to do 7AM ;) 00:03:40 *** veeroo [~veeroo@xdsl-5646.lubin.dialog.net.pl] has joined #openttd 00:03:43 <RichK67> yeah - previous time was ok - just the days werent often enough 00:03:59 <veeroo> hi 00:04:14 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: depends 00:04:15 <RichK67> TrueLight: 7am CEST will be fine, thanks... (6am BST) 00:05:16 <veeroo> whos playin ottdminin? 00:05:23 <Sacro> quite a few people 00:05:27 <veeroo> i know 00:05:36 <veeroo> and is quite hard to play with sb :/ 00:05:40 <Sacro> sb? 00:05:44 <veeroo> somebody 00:06:01 <Eddi|zuHause> make a server ;) 00:06:08 <veeroo> NAT :/ 00:06:22 <Eddi|zuHause> configure the NAT properly! 00:06:25 <veeroo> wanna play? 00:06:32 <Eddi|zuHause> no... 00:06:36 <veeroo> its impossible - stupid damn admin... 00:07:00 <Eddi|zuHause> get yourself the root password... 00:07:33 <veeroo> hmm i was trying to spectate ur server (#openttdcoop) but password "coop" doesnt work... 00:08:08 <veeroo> Eddi: i wont talk with my admin hes too stupid for talking with anybody... :) 00:08:24 <veeroo> how can i spec ur company? 00:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause> who said something about talking? ;) 00:08:32 <veeroo> ;] 00:08:40 <veeroo> little hack ys? 00:08:54 <veeroo> yes?* 00:09:48 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:04 <veeroo> Eddi r u the member of #openttdcoop? 00:10:33 <Eddi|zuHause> no 00:10:44 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC793C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:07 <veeroo> hmm wanna play ottd? 00:11:15 <veeroo> im a little bored 00:11:17 <veeroo> :P 00:11:51 <Eddi|zuHause> my connection is not exactly suitible for multiplayer ;) 00:12:07 <Eddi|zuHause> (besides i already said "no") 00:14:19 <veeroo> i said no for mini in ;p 00:14:38 <veeroo> but ok if dont want to nevermind :) 00:15:04 <RichK67> how can i tell make to just rebuild all language files 00:15:25 <RichK67> edit english.txt :) 00:15:32 <RichK67> doh 00:16:03 <Eddi|zuHause> touch english.txt should suffice 00:16:18 <RichK67> yup - thats what ive done 00:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause> this btw. recompiles all files ;) 00:16:28 <RichK67> occurred to me as i typed my question 00:16:37 <RichK67> not if they are up to date :) 00:16:43 <veeroo> Rich: do u know something about some competitions in miniin? :) 00:16:45 <RichK67> only lang packs 00:17:04 <Eddi|zuHause> strings.h depends on english.txt 00:17:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and pretty much all files depend on strings.h 00:17:56 <RichK67> well - mingw must be good then... it didnt recompile the lot, just the lang packs 00:18:29 <Eddi|zuHause> either that, or some changes today screwed things up ;) 00:19:12 <lws1984> how does one report a bug for the MiniIN? 00:20:11 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a thread in the forum for that 00:20:22 <lws1984> aah, thanks 00:20:47 <Eddi|zuHause> (or, you could talk to the creator of miniin, which happens to be right in this channel ;)) 00:21:15 <lws1984> well, I'd need to ask him anyway, as I can't find the older versions of it 00:21:20 <lws1984> RichK67? 00:21:37 <RichK67> yeah... what 00:22:10 <RichK67> err... try in the MiniIN problems thread in the Problems forum :) 00:22:43 <lws1984> ok then, and where are the old ones, since this one is farked from the start screen? didn't see it in the directory or in the post 00:23:24 <RichK67> which revision? 00:23:41 <lws1984> 6028 00:23:46 <RichK67> what is the behaviour? etc can you be more specific than "farked" :) 00:23:53 <lws1984> :p, sorry 00:24:35 <lws1984> well, I double-click on the icon, it loads normally, then when I click on any of the buttons on the start screen, it freezes up completely, can't do anything 00:24:55 <lws1984> and then it'll start and stop sporadically 00:25:48 <RichK67> have you tried a) delete config.cfg, b) download a fresh copy and install to clean directory... r6028 works clean here 00:26:14 <lws1984> hmm, haven't tried eitehr, hold on 00:26:46 <Eddi|zuHause> does trunk work correctly? 00:27:28 <RichK67> trunk is miles ahead atm... im pulling MiniIN up to r6001 as we speak 00:28:49 <lws1984> deleted openttd.cfg AND tried a fresh copy, same behaviour 00:29:21 <veeroo> Iws: what platform? 00:29:29 <lws1984> Mac OS X 00:29:34 <veeroo> ohh 00:29:40 <veeroo> i cant help :) 00:29:40 *** Sjoerd- [~Sjoerd@ip54576152.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 00:29:43 <veeroo> sorry 00:30:18 <veeroo> i use win :) 00:30:19 <CIA-2> richk * r6106 /branches/MiniIN/ (70 files in 5 dirs): 00:30:19 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r5946:6001. 00:30:19 <CIA-2> This includes a savegame bump to v41. Trunk now has v32, thus MiniIN games are now v33 upwards. Any MiniIN games prior to v33 will not load. 00:30:24 <veeroo> and linux sometims 00:31:43 <RichK67> no idea im afraid lws1984... you will have to talk with Bjarni when you next see him... he is the OSX expert 00:31:49 <lws1984> hmm, thanks anyway 00:31:59 * lws1984 goes to post on the bug thread 00:32:01 <RichK67> if you can download the svn, you may want to try the latest 00:32:17 <RichK67> that sync may have cures for you 00:32:19 <lws1984> nightly, you mean? 00:32:29 <RichK67> MiniIN svn 00:32:34 <lws1984> aah 00:32:48 <lws1984> well, never tried it, but it's worth a shot, does it have to be compiled? 00:32:52 <RichK67> yes 00:33:20 <lws1984> damn, don't have any compilers on this machine 00:33:30 <RichK67> or wait until i get the next automatic build sorted tomorrow 00:33:53 <lws1984> aye, that would work, the latest nightly has the stuff from MiniIN, right? 00:34:34 <RichK67> no - other way around 00:34:59 <RichK67> MiniIN has synced with the nightly to r6001 (so only 105 revisions out of date ;) ) 00:35:14 <CIA-2> belugas * r6107 /trunk/strgen/strgen_vs80.vcproj: 00:35:14 <CIA-2> -Fix r6089: add STRGEN preprocessor flag and string.c to strgen vs 80 project 00:35:14 <CIA-2> Carbon copy of Darkvater's r6105 00:35:26 <lws1984> aah 00:36:10 <veeroo> how can i check what's new will be in next MinIin nightly? 00:36:40 <veeroo> only in changelog? 00:37:36 <RichK67> yeah - ive not added any new functions in the last week or so, because im struggling to get the thing back in sync with a rather busy trunk atm 00:37:56 <veeroo> ok 00:38:26 <RichK67> however, it now has the trunk TGP and date > 2090 features 00:38:41 <Bjarni> lws1984: revision 6090 works just fine here 00:38:47 <Bjarni> and now I need to get some sleep 00:38:54 <Bjarni> it's 2:38 here 00:38:56 <Bjarni> :( 00:40:02 <Bjarni> lws1984: if you keep having problems, then try to debug (in window mode. The debugger will prevent you from leaving the game in full screen mode, so you are fucked) 00:40:11 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a6e.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:40:27 <lws1984> debug? 00:40:31 <lws1984> woah, he's gone 00:41:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it is 2:40 AM 00:41:18 <CIA-2> belugas * r6108 /trunk/ (currency.c currency.h newgrf.c settings_gui.c strings.c): 00:41:18 <CIA-2> -NewGRF Feature: Implement currencies replacment via grf file. 00:41:18 <CIA-2> All properties can now be modified i.e: 00:41:18 <CIA-2> Introduction date for euro conversion 00:41:18 <CIA-2> Currency name, decimal separator, currency symbol (before or after amount) 00:41:18 <CIA-2> and the rate compared to the base currency, the british pound 00:41:20 <Eddi|zuHause> chances are, he's gone working ;) 00:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause> </irony> 00:43:19 <Belugas_Gone> RichK67, how bad has been the synching? 00:43:44 <lws1984> blargh, latest nightly fails, I'll just wait for the new MiniIN tonight 00:44:00 <Belugas_Gone> why does it fail? 00:44:04 <lws1984> oh wait... LongVehicles was crashing it 00:44:13 <lws1984> have to load ALL of the files, hate that 00:44:23 <CIA-2> richk * r6109 /branches/MiniIN/ (12 files): 00:44:23 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: Fix. FS#286: This patch changes Get*Callback into Get8Bit*Callback and Get15Bit*Callback. 00:44:23 <CIA-2> Many thanks to Dalestan for MiniIN patch. 00:44:23 <Belugas_Gone> hehehe 00:44:44 <Belugas_Gone> gone sleeping 00:44:45 <Belugas_Gone> bye 00:44:58 <lws1984> tried to remove it before installing the nightly 00:45:03 <lws1984> gnight Belgas 00:45:05 <RichK67> lws1984: the current MIniIN in the MIniIN/files directory is still r6028 00:45:39 <RichK67> Belugas_Gone: TGP wasnt too bad - about 15 conflicts, mostly easy 00:46:13 <Eddi|zuHause> you got to the pool stuff yet? ;) 00:46:14 <RichK67> im dreading the r6040ish commits tho - TrueLight has done a ton of cosmetic changes and i have to check every line :( 00:46:51 <RichK67> ahh - its pool stuff, not cosmetic then... oh well, it will all be nasty 00:48:16 <veeroo> im gonna sleep 00:48:20 <veeroo> bye guys 00:48:25 *** veeroo [~veeroo@xdsl-5646.lubin.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: Sleep] 00:48:35 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )] 00:48:56 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [:---O] 00:48:57 <lws1984> `well, just wondering, where are the previous nightlies? 00:49:54 <RichK67> MiniINs??? there is no miniin archive... gone in the mists of time... (i may ask TL to make me one) 00:50:13 <lws1984> hmm, bugger 00:50:17 <lws1984> aye, that's what I meant 00:50:22 <lws1984> thanks anyway 00:50:27 <RichK67> s'ok 00:53:19 <CIA-2> richk * r6110 /branches/MiniIN/copy_paste_gui.c: 00:53:19 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [CopyPaste]: Minor changes to remove compile warnings for VS users. 00:53:19 <CIA-2> Thanks to Frostregen for MiniIN patch. 00:54:18 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-128-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:59:39 <RichK67> lol - CIA2 was just talking about you :) 00:59:56 <RichK67> [01:53] CIA-2: Thanks to Frostregen for MiniIN patch. 01:09:10 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@15.155.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 01:09:37 <Frostregen> lol ;) 01:12:50 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@15.155.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [] 01:14:07 *** Ammler_pfuus [~Ammler@252.121.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:14:36 <Frostregen> time to sleep 01:14:39 <Frostregen> gn 01:19:28 <RichK67> gn 01:19:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-201-59.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:22:23 <CIA-2> richk * r6111 /branches/MiniIN/ (10 files in 3 dirs): 01:22:23 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [DisableElrails]: Added Disable Elrails patch. 01:22:23 <CIA-2> This removes the elrails construction bar, and re-enables electric trains in diesel depots as per traditional TTD. It does not remove existing catenary - you have to convert that back to normal track to get rid of it. 01:22:23 <CIA-2> Many thanks to Maedhros for MiniIN patch. 01:26:31 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [Quit: RichK67] 01:26:43 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@82-37-135-45.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:51 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-196-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 01:31:45 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:49:43 *** Louie [Cekra@12-216-41-86.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 01:53:41 *** Name [~name101@CPE-139-168-97-26.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:54:19 <Name> hello 01:54:38 <Louie> Hi 01:54:43 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 01:55:21 <Louie> I was actually wondering if anyone was interested in an online game, i have been playing TTD for years and years, but I have never plaied an online game 01:55:51 <Name> um...i would play but i have a bad internet connection 01:55:55 <Name> but ill play 01:55:57 <Name> if u want 01:56:03 *** Name is now known as name101 01:56:35 <name101> i made no sence at all ^_^ 01:57:44 <Louie> lol yeah i didnt follo 01:57:45 <Louie> w 01:58:09 <name101> i will play but i might cut out a little bit 01:58:19 <name101> is that ok 01:59:14 <Gonozal_VIII> a slow connection is not much of a problem 01:59:39 <name101> well last time i tried to connect to a server i kept on cutting out 01:59:50 <Louie> might have been the server's problem 02:00:00 <Louie> Anyone else want to join in though? 02:00:07 <name101> ah.. i dint think of that. 02:00:18 <name101> are u using 0.4.8 std? 02:00:33 <Gonozal_VIII> i will sleep soon.. its 4 am here 02:00:51 <name101> 100 pm 02:01:31 <Louie> 9pm 02:01:41 <Louie> uh, im not sure 02:01:48 <Louie> the latest one thats on the download page 02:02:02 <Louie> I just discovered OTTD, i was running TTD patch for a long time 02:02:13 <name101> ah yeah same as myself 02:02:32 <Louie> But its not updated much anymore sadly 02:02:49 <name101> well as long as its 0.4.8 02:02:55 <Gonozal_VIII> i discovered it about a month ago... i like the miniin best 02:03:04 <Louie> what is miniin? 02:03:12 <Louie> i keep seeing it mentioned but i dont know what it is 02:03:18 <name101> same 02:03:24 <Gonozal_VIII> a version with tons of patches included 02:03:35 <name101> ohk 02:03:54 <Gonozal_VIII> [04:02:31] <Louie> But its not updated much anymore sadly <-- last update was 40 minutes ago 02:04:05 <Louie> of TTD patch? 02:04:15 <Gonozal_VIII> ah.. sry^^ 02:04:27 *** name101 is now known as Name101|AFk 02:04:38 <Name101|AFk> sorry i have to go for a little while 02:04:50 <Louie> yeah OTTD seems much more active 02:05:13 <Name101|AFk> i think because of Multiplayer 02:06:04 <Gonozal_VIII> if you stay in this channel, you will see all the changes, CIA-2 bot pastes them in 02:08:28 <Louie> nifty 02:09:31 <Louie> I'm jsut psyced to have someone to play against, I never plaied witht he AI on because its so flaming stupid 02:09:52 <Louie> is OTTD Ai better? 02:10:54 <Gonozal_VIII> i never play against ai but as far as i have heard, it's even wors 02:11:01 <Gonozal_VIII> +e 02:11:27 <lws1984> AI is teh lamezors 02:13:13 <Gonozal_VIII> there should be some 0.4.8 servers running, maybe you want to join one of them 02:14:38 <Louie> how do i find out what IP they are on? 02:14:45 <Gonozal_VIII> just start the game, click multiplayer, find server and join one with a green circle (same version as yours) 02:14:58 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a better roadvehicle ai, but i never tried it 02:15:04 <Louie> oh I see 02:15:09 <Louie> woohoo! 02:15:54 <Louie> what the X/10-X-8 mean? 02:16:02 <Louie> X/10-X/8 02:16:08 <Louie> Where X=intiger 02:16:18 <Gonozal_VIII> number of companies and players 02:16:26 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's a general problem of ais that they are quite good in the a part, but definitely lack i ;) 02:16:36 <Louie> ok cool 02:17:47 <Louie> is there any way to sort them by current date? 02:19:20 <Eddi|zuHause> if anyone searches me, i am where i belong at this hour... 02:19:53 <Gonozal_VIII> gute nacht... ich geh auch mal 02:27:28 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176121204.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 02:44:17 *** Louie [Cekra@12-216-41-86.client.mchsi.com] has quit [] 02:45:48 <CIA-2> richk * r6112 /branches/MiniIN/openttd.c: [MiniIN]: Fix. Corrected openttd.c to adjust dates when loading old MiniIN games as well as old trunk games. 03:18:21 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:00:30 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 05:00:54 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75B42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:01:01 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.149.222] has joined #openttd 05:08:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:10:05 *** MaulingMonkey_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 05:15:17 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:15:17 *** MaulingMonkey_ is now known as MaulingMonkey 05:19:37 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.149.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:26:42 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.144.60] has joined #openttd 05:31:40 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:34:02 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: NO BACKSNAFFLING!] 05:35:27 *** Name101|AFk [~name101@CPE-139-168-97-26.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:39:45 *** [fr34k] [~robertwoe@Wadc4.w.pppool.de] has quit [] 05:41:21 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@80-235-121-66-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:41:56 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@p54B37D88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:57:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueLight] by ChanServ 05:57:04 <TrueLight> Yeah! :) 06:03:59 *** Guest56 [Gono@N737P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 06:08:27 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N883P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:10:49 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:12:19 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 06:18:20 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 06:24:05 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6113 /branches/MiniIN/ (37 files in 3 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r6001:6044 06:32:39 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@80-235-121-66-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 06:38:58 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 06:41:11 *** kihlaptop [kihlaptop@vpn-22235.vpn-s.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 06:51:53 *** glx [~glx@AAubervilliers-152-1-45-18.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 06:51:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 07:19:01 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37D88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:23:04 <Cassac-> Hmm... now this aint a programming channel but in the one they can't give me a clean answer.. so im asking you gurus ;) Would i want to learn .net or win32 first? 07:23:57 <Cassac-> I even know it :P 07:26:37 *** Peach [~Peach@cpe.atm2-0-1111159.0x50c6a2e6.odnxx4.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:27:20 *** Ammler [~Ammler@130-205.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 07:37:17 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 07:37:41 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 07:39:57 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 07:41:45 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:00:20 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D797.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:01:00 *** robohomework [~Leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:01:41 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ae2.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:01:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:04:08 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:05:45 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:06:05 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 08:06:11 <Triffid_Hunter> Cassac-: i'd recommend learning cross-platform stuff, like C/C++, qt for widgets, sdl/opengl for 3d 08:06:20 <OwenS> Any of you ever used the Windows Live Messenger installer? It's utter brilliance... http://nanocrew.net/wp-content/livemessenger.jpg 08:06:49 <Triffid_Hunter> OwenS: yep that's typical microsoft software for you 08:06:58 <OwenS> Heh 08:09:21 <Cassac-> Triffid_Hunter, qt aint free for windows any more is it? 08:10:20 *** robohomework [~Leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:06 <Triffid_Hunter> Cassac-: it's free as long as your program is open source afaik 08:12:21 <Cassac-> Triffid_Hunter, oh.. cool ;) 08:12:28 <Cassac-> Triffid_Hunter, no need for anything else ;) 08:13:52 <SpComb> hmm, qt... 08:14:30 <Cassac-> And it's Norwegian too ;) 08:15:48 <Nigel> whats this tgp_gui.c that doesn't seem to be in SVN that good ol' Visual C++ wants 08:18:12 <glx> Nigel: which rev 08:18:28 <Nigel> let me just check that it isn't in the master svn 08:18:49 <Nigel> current MiniIN 08:20:15 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [Leaving...] 08:21:12 <glx> MSVC 2005 I guess :) 08:24:12 <glx> Nigel: RichK67 forgot to update vs80 project file when he merged trunk tgp in miniin 08:24:35 <Nigel> ja 08:24:41 <Nigel> so i should delete that? 08:24:48 <Nigel> well, remove the lines 08:25:34 <glx> yes just remove tgp_gui.c from vs80 project 08:26:06 <Nigel> as good as done 08:29:17 <glx> !seen RichK67* 08:29:19 <_42_> glx, I found 3 matches to your query: RichK67, RichK67_wrk, RIchK67_wrk|eating. RichK67 (~RichK67@194.164.100.143) was last seen quitting #openttd 7 hours 2 minutes ago (25.08. 01:26) stating "Quit: RichK67" after spending 1 hour 28 minutes there. 08:29:55 *** tobyobi [~tobyobi@emc-c22-66.resnet.uq.edu.au] has joined #openttd 08:33:05 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 6105 08:33:06 <_42_> Commit by Darkvater :: r6105 /trunk/strgen/strgen.vcproj (2006-08-24 22:52:58 UTC) 08:33:08 <_42_> -Fix r6089: add STRGEN preprocessor flag and string.c to strgen project 08:33:19 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37D88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 08:33:22 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 6107 08:33:22 <_42_> Commit by belugas :: r6107 /trunk/strgen/strgen_vs80.vcproj (2006-08-25 00:35:11 UTC) 08:33:24 <_42_> -Fix r6089: add STRGEN preprocessor flag and string.c to strgen vs 80 project 08:33:26 <_42_> Carbon copy of Darkvater's r6105 08:33:37 *** RIchK_wrk|away [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:33:38 <Darkvater> Belugas_Gone: whatis that about? 08:33:46 <Darkvater> oh vs8 08:33:49 <Darkvater> hehe 08:34:18 <Darkvater> call it vs2005 please :) 08:34:37 <Bjarni> hmm 08:34:50 <Bjarni> glx managed to summon RIchK_wrk|away by using the bot 08:34:58 <Bjarni> now that's a cool bot :) 08:35:53 <OwenS> Darkvater: Whats wrong with calling it VC8? Heck, all it's project files have a nice 8.0 on the logo... 08:36:34 <Darkvater> it's VS2005 08:36:40 <Darkvater> we've called it that all along 08:36:45 <Darkvater> VS8 is a bit confusing 08:36:55 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37D88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:37:42 <Bjarni> use the year. Then everybody can see that it's last year's software 08:38:24 <Bjarni> unlike Xcode. Apple released a new version two weeks ago 08:39:16 *** RIchK_wrk|away is now known as RichK_wrk 08:39:26 <RichK_wrk> hi - someone called 08:39:44 <glx> RichK_wrk: yes 08:40:07 <glx> you forgot to remove tgp_gui.c from miniin vs80 project 08:40:55 <RichK_wrk> bah - M$ should work with makefile... 08:41:05 <Darkvater> :) 08:43:12 <Darkvater> !seen TrueLight 08:43:14 <_42_> Darkvater, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel. 08:43:17 <Darkvater> idiot 08:43:19 <peter1138> OwenS: also it's Visual *S*tudio, not Visual C 08:43:49 <OwenS> peter1138: Meh, VS, VC.. 08:44:11 <peter1138> btw 08:44:12 <peter1138> morning :) 08:44:18 <Darkvater> morning :) 08:44:23 <Darkvater> how's the moving? 08:44:27 <peter1138> fine fine 08:44:50 <RichK_wrk> peter1138: since Visual Studio has Visual C and Visual Basic in it, as well as others, Visual Studio is not too definitive 08:45:05 <Nigel> it's Visual C++ 08:45:14 <RichK_wrk> f****** pedants 08:45:26 <peter1138> RichK_wrk: the solution file is for visual studio... 08:45:34 <Nigel> because although you can still get Visual Studio, they have released individual components 08:46:18 <OwenS> peter1138: But the project file is VC, since it's .vcproj 08:47:24 <Bjarni> peter1138: I tried the Norwegian train set grf, but I got 08:47:24 <Bjarni> dbg: [nsbsetw.grf:8][Fatal] Designed to be used with 'unifiedmaglev 1' in ttdpatch.cfg. 08:47:25 <Darkvater> you guys still on about this? 08:47:40 <Bjarni> peter1138: any chance to getting it compatible with OTTD? 08:48:02 <peter1138> "unified maglev" will never be supported 08:48:08 <Nigel> at least OpenTTD is Vista compatible, thats all i care about 08:48:21 <Bjarni> I presume unified maglev is to make elrails available, so if we code that as "needs elrails enabled", then it should work 08:48:40 *** tobyobi [~tobyobi@emc-c22-66.resnet.uq.edu.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:48:49 <peter1138> yeah, well, stupid grf sets 08:49:03 <peter1138> that basically forces you to have el-rails enabled 08:49:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:49:25 <peter1138> which we do... but then users complain about having el-rails forced, hehe 08:49:38 <CIA-2> miham * r6114 /trunk/lang/ (american.txt german.txt portuguese.txt): 08:49:38 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-08-25 10:49:08 08:49:38 <CIA-2> american - 84 fixed by WhiteRabbit (84) 08:49:38 <CIA-2> german - 3 fixed, 2 changed by chu (5) 08:49:39 <CIA-2> portuguese - 2 fixed by izhirahider (2) 08:49:44 <Bjarni> the US set uses some check for elrails and it works for OTTD 08:49:49 <Darkvater> peter1138: but we have the cheat, so that works 08:49:55 <Bjarni> but this one is just lame since it fails even though we got elrails 08:50:03 <peter1138> have 08:50:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 08:51:12 <Darkvater> abrupt sloping cliff tops before the pines started, just enough toteacher, Miss Julie Holmes. Summer 1952 . Underneath were fifteen orthrough the thin net of science": I had myself recalled something tooover to the seat under the almond tree. Lily had never intended tofrom Dorset. "Read one." I took out a letter from the top envelope. Ittouched their clothes, stroked the ends of Julie's hair; and then thepink figures. They were sitting on a shaded hummock 08:51:13 <RichK_wrk> MiniIN now has the elrails disable patch from Maedhros 08:51:19 <Darkvater> athletic carcinogenic answer caucasian choke declarative 08:51:21 <Darkvater> ah, yes 08:51:36 <Darkvater> what's up with this new spammail? 08:52:01 <peter1138> looks like they've william boroughs'd it 08:52:38 <Darkvater> RichK_wrk: I think that's a bit weird patch. Why not just rename the cheat to patches and use that? 08:53:00 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=484321#484321 < hehe 08:54:15 <peter1138> i've not seen the patch. does it reimplement it or something silly? 08:54:18 <RichK_wrk> Darkvater: because that takes work - if someone does a patch that does that, fine - im not "developing" MiniIN, im integrating it :) (Thats my excuse to get out of real work on the project ;) ) 08:54:56 <Darkvater> RichK_wrk: how is that extra work? rename _cheats.elrailsall to _patches.elrailsall and you're done 08:55:03 <Maedhros> peter1138: it changes RAILTYPE_ELECTRIC to RAILTYPE_RAIL for electric engines. i don't know whether that qualifies as silly though :-P 08:55:08 <Darkvater> peter1138: I've seen it at a glance and it loops all vehicles 08:55:12 <RichK_wrk> peter1138: im not entirely sure 08:55:31 <peter1138> Maedhros: probably, as the code to merge them already exists 08:56:11 <glx> the cheat does the opposite: normal on electric 08:56:27 <Maedhros> peter1138: does it? the cheat doesn't disable building electric railways, which i assumed would be wanted if you didn't want elrails 08:56:32 <Darkvater> glx: you mean electric on normal ;) 08:56:43 <glx> oups :) 08:56:56 <glx> my brain is weird today :p 08:57:00 <Darkvater> Maedhros: would be 2 lines to check that and disable the entry 08:57:39 <Darkvater> Maedhros: +plus of course adding a check to the build-rails DoCommand which you have forgotten 08:58:05 <Darkvater> if you disable something it needs to be done in 2 parts: 1 GUI and 2 Command 08:59:08 <Maedhros> ok, i'll take another look / rewrite it in a little while then :) 08:59:43 <Darkvater> I still think it's more worth to convert the cheat thingie 08:59:46 <Darkvater> a lot less work 09:00:18 <Maedhros> that's partly what i meant by rewriting :) 09:00:41 <peter1138> otoh, it was done as a cheat for a reason 09:00:53 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 09:01:09 <Darkvater> peter1138: what are you insuating by that? 09:01:32 <peter1138> nothing 09:01:36 <peter1138> i am, however, hungry 09:01:44 <Darkvater> that is however not good 09:01:47 * peter1138 idly looks at the gradual loading patch 09:03:24 * Darkvater idly asks about utf-8 and whistles innocently 09:03:52 * peter1138 idly thinkgs about obtaining food 09:03:55 <peter1138> -g 09:05:02 <Nigel> the afxres.h location on the wiki was broken, replaced it with a different source 09:10:09 *** kihlaptop [kihlaptop@vpn-22235.vpn-s.ntnu.no] has quit [] 09:12:24 <Nigel> ".\ottdres.rc(57) : error RC2104 : undefined keyword or key name: IDC_STATIC" I thought IDC_STATIC was always defined? 09:18:08 <Darkvater> wasn't there a parameter to make that printed out how it calls each file to be compiled? 09:18:59 <RichK_wrk> ill be back later - when TL appears, can someone ask him to change the build *time* of MiniIN to 7am CEST, and run the build - i keep missing the 2am CEST (1am BST) deadline cos I work late at night 09:19:14 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 09:19:31 *** RichK_wrk is now known as RichK_wrk|away 09:23:45 *** Tron_ [xJ28am36@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 09:25:02 <Nigel> Command Lines Creating command line "rc.exe /d "_DEBUG" /d "_VC80_UPGRADE=0x0710" /l 0x41d /fo".\Debug\/ottdres.res" .\ottdres.rc" 09:25:03 <Nigel> 09:25:29 <Nigel> Darkvater, was that what you where thinking of? 09:26:03 <Darkvater> no, makefile 09:26:13 <Darkvater> but got it now; just edited it to print out 09:28:41 <glx> Darkvater: make VERBOSE:=1 09:29:19 <Nigel> i think i'll just go back to install freebsd 09:29:48 *** mucht_ [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 09:30:43 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:34 <Darkvater> glx: thx 09:43:44 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 09:45:27 *** mucht_ is now known as Mucht|work 09:50:50 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:52:28 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:53:17 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 10:00:47 *** glx is now known as glx|away 10:05:54 *** e1ko_ [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:07:11 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 10:08:07 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:26 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:09:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:22:08 <Maedhros> peter1138: what did you think of the gradual loading patch? 10:23:33 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@80-235-121-66-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 10:23:33 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@80-235-121-66-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:36 *** Tron__ [Iz84PL0p@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 10:26:39 *** Tron__ [Iz84PL0p@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:17 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E755.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:37:56 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46:41 *** Name101 [~name101@CPE-139-168-97-26.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:47:00 <Name101> hello all 10:59:48 *** e1ko_ is now known as e1ko_AfK 11:04:19 <Darkvater> Bjarni: http://darkvater.openttd.org/openttd.grf 11:04:22 <Darkvater> what do you think? 11:07:54 <Bjarni> oh, now I know what you mean by that :) 11:08:03 <Bjarni> I presume you got a positive feedback from MB :) 11:09:49 <Bjarni> nice 11:11:04 <Bjarni> would be even nicer if we got a new icon for each vehicle type, but one step at a time ;) 11:12:48 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6115 /branches/MiniIN/ (97 files in 4 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r6045. 11:12:55 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:13:54 <Darkvater> Bjarni: ;) 11:14:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:14:32 <Name101> hello 11:15:09 *** Name101 is now known as Name101|OTTD 11:17:03 <Darkvater> hello 11:21:40 <TrueLight> Frostregen: ping 11:25:59 <guru3> i now hold in my hands an FX60 11:26:05 <Patrick`> mm 11:26:51 <TrueLight> anyone here has a native Windows with mingw installed, and can test a patch? (as in between now and 5 minutes :p) 11:28:55 <Patrick`> no-op 11:29:44 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:29:47 <MeusH> hi 11:30:33 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:36 *** hj3lmen [~rasmus@cpe.atm2-0-73312.0x50a679de.arcnxx19.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:41:52 <Sacro> :D WINDOWS XP on XEN 11:43:16 <Patrick`> hardware virtualisation is overrated 11:43:27 <Patrick`> back in 2001 some guys ported windows XP to xen the old-fashioned way 11:43:32 <Patrick`> it just was never publically released 11:43:40 *** glx|away is now known as glx 11:43:49 <Patrick`> if you knew where to go with a software developer license you could get a copy 11:44:29 <Sacro> Patrick`: yeah, but it tells me here how to install it 11:44:39 <Patrick`> neat. 11:44:59 <Patrick`> actually, is this hw virtualisation or did MS release a port? 11:45:58 <Sacro> Xen 11:46:15 <Sacro> hmm, VT or SVM 11:46:32 <Patrick`> yes, but xen doesn't run guests that have certain asm instructions in the kernel (or any ring0 stuff) 11:46:42 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 11:46:43 <Patrick`> so you either recompile or have hardware virtualisation support 11:46:58 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:21 <Sacro> must be hw 11:47:39 <Patrick`> on some brand new intels, then 11:47:42 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6116 /branches/MiniIN/ (72 files in 6 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r6045:6087. 11:48:25 <Patrick`> my understanding is fuxxy but there are certain cpu instructions that can't be virtualised when the kernel uses them, or they'd interfere with the hypervisor (xen) and any other host kernels 11:48:36 <Sacro> new intels and amds 11:48:37 <Patrick`> I'm only explaining this so that people can correct me and I can learn in doing so 11:48:40 <Sacro> amds are faster 11:49:04 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 11:49:09 <Patrick`> so, either you recompile the guest kernel not to use these instructions, or in newer cpus you can send an interrupt to xen to tell it when a guest wants to use these instructions 11:49:16 <Patrick`> which is computationally expensive and usually slower 11:49:18 <Sacro> its in a virtualised ring 0 11:49:21 <Patrick`> but the only way to run closed-source kernels 11:49:25 <Patrick`> anything wrong there? 11:49:44 <Name101|OTTD> Sacro: Amd's are faster for gaming 11:49:51 <Patrick`> what sacro said 11:49:54 <Sacro> Name101|OTTD: yes 11:50:16 <Patrick`> so it's effectively GAY-MD 11:50:18 <Name101|OTTD> Intel more for other crap xD 11:50:20 <Sacro> the idea is, is there VMX root, which is above the old ring-0 11:50:20 <Patrick`> where the gay is for games. 11:50:25 <Patrick`> disclaimer, I have an amd. 11:50:32 <Sacro> and your gay? 11:50:56 <Patrick`> hang on ... hardware support for ring -1 ? 11:50:58 <Patrick`> neat. 11:51:05 <Sacro> yeah 11:51:09 <Patrick`> anyway, gotta go 11:51:22 <Sacro> well ring 0 = vmx non root 11:51:27 <Sacro> and then theres vmx root above it 12:02:08 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:03:17 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:59 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:11:12 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 12:16:08 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 12:16:46 *** Patrick`_ [~pitt2@i-195-137-14-213.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:54 *** Patrick` [pitt2@saturn.retrosnub.co.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:17:56 *** Patrick`_ is now known as Patrick` 12:17:58 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E755.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:36 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:05 *** terje [~terje@117.80-202-25.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: terje] 12:26:37 <CIA-2> truelight * r6117 /trunk/ (stdafx.h strgen/strgen.c): 12:26:37 <CIA-2> -Fix r6097: on mingw it is normal that both / as \ are accepted as input 12:26:37 <CIA-2> -Fix r6096: detect for PATHSEP on WIN32 or WIN64, not UNIX 12:26:37 <CIA-2> (Windows compilers define either one, while other compilers don't define a thing) 12:27:09 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:31:19 <CIA-2> truelight * r6118 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (Makefile.src.in configure): [MakefileRerwite] -Fix: I hate pipes in bash, I can't get them to work.. an other ugly hack.. suggestions are very much welcome! 12:32:07 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 12:32:26 <CIA-2> truelight * r6119 /branches/makefile_rewrite/src/ (stdafx.h strgen/strgen.c): [MakefileRewrite] -Forwardport r6117: on mingw it is normal that both / as \ are accepted as input 12:35:08 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 12:36:30 <CIA-2> truelight * r6120 /branches/makefile_rewrite/configure: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: I stopped using the detected sort somehow :( (tnx glx :)) 12:39:17 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:08 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:47:33 <Tron_> (gdb) p _debug_spritecache_level 12:47:33 <Tron_> = 3014657 12:47:39 <Tron_> anybody got an explanation for this? 12:48:37 <TrueLight> you thought it was funny to enter that number? 12:48:41 <TrueLight> Buffer overflow? 12:48:52 <Tron_> yes, overflow 12:48:58 <Tron_> while loading currencies 12:49:03 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:49:03 <TrueLight> run elfence? 12:49:05 <TrueLight> valgrind? 12:49:12 <Tron_> Hardware watchpoint 1: _debug_spritecache_level 12:49:12 <Tron_> Old value = 0 12:49:12 <Tron_> New value = 1 12:49:12 <Tron_> 0x080f3d87 in WriteValue (ptr=0x822f718, conv=1347, val=1) at saveload.c:426 12:49:12 <Tron_> 426 case SLE_VAR_U16: *(uint16*)ptr = val; break; 12:49:19 <Tron_> #2 0x080f8b6b in ini_load_settings (ini=0x824d00c, sd=0x818df60, 12:49:19 <Tron_> grpname=0x818b773 "currency", object=0x822f718) at settings.c:695 12:49:52 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-201-196.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 12:50:04 <MeusH> bye 12:50:08 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 12:50:08 <Tron_> TrueLight: neither efence nor valgrind will complain, because perfectly valid addresses get written to 12:50:08 <TrueLight> cool! Some currencies just want a higher debug level :) 12:50:17 <TrueLight> Tron: true 12:50:35 <TrueLight> [14:49:09] <@Rubidium> hmm.. rev 6108 is bad... 12:50:36 <TrueLight> [14:50:03] <@Rubidium> it looks like you've started with '-d 9' 12:50:45 <TrueLight> looks like you two have the same problem :) 12:51:08 <Rubidium> looks like it 12:51:11 <Tron_> seems to be the custom currency 12:51:22 <Tron_> it just wrote its conversion factor in there 12:51:28 <Tron_> i smell a obiwan error 12:52:17 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:32 <Tron_> wow... it's even off by two! 12:52:39 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:52:39 <Tron_> there are 25 currencies 12:52:46 <Tron_> NUM_CURRENCY = 25, 12:52:46 <Tron_> CUSTOM_CURRENCY_ID = NUM_CURRENCY + 1, 12:53:01 <TrueLight> someone forgot to adjust the number? :) 12:53:22 <Tron_> no, the line was explicitly added in belugas' last commit 12:53:38 <Tron_> NUM_CURRENCY _-_ 1 sounds more sensible, doesn't it? 12:53:45 <Rubidium> yup 12:53:50 <TrueLight> I have no idea what that ID means :) 12:54:09 <Tron_> it's the index in the currency array 12:54:26 <Rubidium> it 'should' just point to the last element in the currency array, for the custom currency 12:54:34 <TrueLight> then -1 is the right value ;) 12:55:42 <Tron_> isn't prefix, suffix AND symbol_pos a /bit/ overkill? 12:56:38 <Nigel> anyone know why i'd get ".\ottdres.rc(57) : error RC2104 : undefined keyword or key name: IDC_STATIC" when building with VC++ 8 (2005 Express) 12:57:42 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 12:58:14 <CIA-2> truelight * r6121 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (225 files in 19 dirs): [MakefileRewrite] -Sync: sync with trunk r5641:r6108 12:58:29 *** e1ko_AfK is now known as e1ko 12:58:38 <TrueLight> oops, that was to 6120 12:58:46 <Rubidium> Tron_: if I'm correct it has to do with (some) global setting, 'do you want the currency symbol before/after the value' and therefore you need to specify both cases (but I'm not certain) 12:58:54 <CIA-2> tron * r6122 /trunk/currency.h: Fix an off-by-two error in r6108: it should be the index for the last element in the array 12:59:57 <Tron_> Rubidium: we have a string for prefix, one for suffix and then there's this bool - this makes not too much sense 13:00:08 <CIA-2> truelight * r6123 /branches/makefile_rewrite/src/currency.h: [MakefileRewrite] -Sync: sync with trunk from r6121:r6122 (last commit was not till r6108, but r6121) 13:00:34 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:15 <hylje> fatal bug: linux/r5993 crashes after joining a multiplayer game with a queue 13:01:21 <hylje> openttd: network.c:1198: NetworkHandleLocalQueue: Assertion `0' failed. 13:01:48 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_ottd 13:02:30 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:02:43 <Rubidium> Tron_: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0GeneralVariables#Currency_options_0C_ (0D & 0E too) 13:02:49 <hylje> really reproducable 13:02:59 <TrueLight> hylje: will check in a moment 13:03:10 <hylje> good 13:03:24 <Tron_> Rubidium: *sigh* i KNOW this 13:03:33 <Tron_> think about it: 13:03:47 <Tron_> - there's a string for prefix 13:03:49 <Tron_> - there's a string for suffix 13:04:07 <Tron_> - there's a bool which decides whether the symbol should be before or after the number 13:04:17 <Tron_> one of these three is unnecessary 13:04:39 <CIA-2> truelight * r6124 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (Makefile.src.in src/ottdres.rc): 13:04:39 <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: adjust paths in ottdres.rc 13:04:39 <CIA-2> -Fix: make rev.o depend on FILE_DEP, so it recompiles when it should 13:05:50 <glx> hylje: is it reproducable in r6098 too ? 13:06:17 <Tron_> Rubidium: try changing the coloured newspaper starting date 13:06:40 <hylje> glx: havent tried, its not really easy to get a r6098 server with queue 13:07:00 <hylje> glx: but the openttdcoop sandbox has queues at times so.. 13:07:02 <Rubidium> Tron_: both the prefix and suffix string should be set according to the newgrf spec and the symbol_pos says what the default is, though you can override that; not that I'm aware that you can override the symbol_pos in OTTD; if that is not the case it could just read the prefix/postfix depending on symbol pos 13:07:33 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6125 /branches/MiniIN/ (17 files in 3 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r6087:6123. 13:08:13 <hylje> r6123 wasnt in trunk *g* 13:08:20 <Rubidium> Tron_: what is exactly wrong with that? 13:08:40 <TrueLight> hylje: creating that queue now 13:08:44 <Tron_> Rubidium: it just into the millions 13:09:00 <Rubidium> hylje: now you can never make the mistake, was 6122 in or not in the sync ;) 13:09:05 <Tron_> Rubidium: as usual the newgrf spec is retarded 13:10:34 <Rubidium> Tron_: true, but that is more a problem of the settings_gui; previously it skipped in steps of 4 years or so, now it's a lot more due to the fact that the boundaries are somewhat further away 13:11:03 <Tron_> then use something managable as upper limit 13:11:21 <hylje> TrueLight: need help? ill build latest trunk 13:11:37 <hylje> (that being 6125 at the time) 13:11:59 <TrueLight> hmm 13:12:02 <TrueLight> just found an other serious bug 13:12:03 <Rubidium> Tron_: that would also be the upper limit for the configuration file, and for the game_end_year 13:12:07 <TrueLight> I know about for a long time 13:12:12 <TrueLight> just never considered it possible: 13:12:18 <TrueLight> when a client joins, the server makes a savegame 13:12:22 <TrueLight> when an other clients joins 13:12:27 <TrueLight> the servers starts making yet an other savegame 13:12:34 <TrueLight> not giving the client the chance to download it 13:12:36 <TrueLight> bad bad bad 13:12:44 <TrueLight> (Savegame corruption is the result) 13:12:56 <hylje> yay, two bugs with one hit 13:13:53 <Rubidium> so I would rather add an option to specify the stepping than to limit the boundaries of those patch options 13:15:06 *** e1ko_ottd is now known as e1ko 13:16:01 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au revoir!] 13:19:35 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176121204.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:23:23 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:23:35 <Belugas> thanks Tron 13:24:12 *** lag [~lagmaster@cpc3-bsfd2-0-0-cust323.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 13:26:44 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-205-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:17 <Sacro> hehe, how to start your own country 13:27:43 <TrueLight> hylje: tricky bug 13:27:52 <hylje> TrueLight: i figured, took so long :) 13:29:02 <TrueLight> oh, DAH! 13:29:06 <TrueLight> I was ghost hunting :( 13:30:05 <Patrick`> hmm 13:30:10 * peter1138 mutters about bugs reports against grf bugs 13:30:13 <Patrick`> I need a standalone xserver for windows 13:30:38 <hylje> cygwin? 13:31:04 <TrueLight> cygwin indeed 13:31:49 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 13:31:49 <Patrick`> damn you cygwin 13:31:58 <Patrick`> with your pleasant unixlike enviroment 13:31:59 * peter1138 closes said report 13:32:02 <Patrick`> and LARGE install 13:32:13 <TrueLight> you can install ONLY XWIN 13:32:14 <TrueLight> not that big 13:32:18 <TrueLight> there are even pre-packed packages 13:32:21 <TrueLight> with only cygwin + xwin 13:32:25 <TrueLight> I believe 3.5 MB 13:32:25 <peter1138> then you don't get the nice bits 13:32:39 <Patrick`> yeah, I don't care 13:32:43 <hylje> what about the evil bits? 13:32:45 <Patrick`> just wanna run something remotely 13:32:53 <Patrick`> can't find any of the pre-packs 13:34:33 <Sacro> http://x.cygwin.com/ 13:34:34 <TrueLight> hylje: latest nightly shows no problems at all when joinin via queue 13:34:57 <Patrick`> ta sacro 13:35:03 <hylje> good 13:36:26 *** hj3lmen [~rasmus@cpe.atm2-0-73312.0x50a679de.arcnxx19.customer.tele.dk] has quit [] 13:36:45 <Patrick`> Sacro: that would consist of "doing it manually" ... but thanks 13:37:19 <Sacro> ? 13:37:41 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-201-196.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: muss wech] 13:38:46 <Patrick`> the instructions consist of "install it" and "install x11-base" 13:39:00 <Sacro> :) 13:39:04 <Sacro> simple enough 13:40:45 <Sacro> Patrick`: http://cygwinports.dotsrc.org/ 13:40:49 <Sacro> has XFCE and GNOME :D 13:41:12 <Patrick`> eh, I just want simple, I'll give it a shot 13:49:28 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 13:51:09 <Bjarni> lws1984: did you find the cause of your problem yesterday? 13:51:33 <lws1984> Bjarni: no, tried the latest nightly also, with no luck 13:52:11 <lws1984> how do you run it in debug mode, anyway? 13:53:37 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:59 <Patrick`> 6don't you have to build it in debug mode 13:57:58 <glx> lws1984: openttd -D 13:58:06 <glx> oops openttd -d :) 13:59:56 <Bjarni> <lws1984> how do you run it in debug mode, anyway? <-- edit Makefile.config to set DEBUG to 3 14:00:00 <Bjarni> recompile 14:00:11 <lws1984> thanks 14:00:15 <Bjarni> start the game, set it to window mode and quit (this saves the setting in the config file) 14:00:23 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Meetings!] 14:00:38 <Bjarni> ok, he will get the part about the debugger later 14:04:16 *** Guest56 [Gono@N919P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:09:57 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N737P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:11:15 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 14:11:43 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:12:37 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 14:15:57 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:23:55 <TrueLight> Tron: you areound? 14:23:56 <TrueLight> -e 14:31:26 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 14:31:27 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:26 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:36:34 <CIA-2> truelight * r6126 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (Makefile.src.in configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: makedepend doesn't like /bla things between his -- --, so rewrite them to -bla, so they get ignored (tnx Bjarni) 14:43:30 *** TronBSD [~tron@p54A3D1CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:30 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:55 *** Def1ant [~Amanuensi@ip54556b89.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:47:03 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:49:19 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FC25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:20 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 14:49:51 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:50:34 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:23 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:52:03 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 14:54:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@149.254.200.216] has joined #openttd 14:54:26 <Brianetta> Well, here I am, checked in to the Apex in London 14:55:35 <Sacro> oooh, nice 14:56:11 <Brianetta> indeed 14:56:16 <Brianetta> I'll be using their wireless later 14:56:19 <peter1138> the what? 14:56:23 <Brianetta> It's £15 for 24 hours 14:56:37 <Brianetta> peter1138: It's a 4* near the Tower 15:01:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@149.254.200.216] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 15:09:22 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:23 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:27 *** jonty-comp [bottage@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:09:40 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 15:10:38 *** Sacro [~ben@213.249.186.199] has joined #openttd 15:11:28 <CIA-2> truelight * r6127 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (Makefile.lang.in Makefile.src.in): [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: we have $(LANG_DIR), so use it :) (Rubidium) 15:15:05 <CIA-2> truelight * r6128 /branches/makefile_rewrite/src/scenario/: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: removed 2 dirs that got committed by excident 15:17:48 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 15:21:54 *** Sacro [~ben@213.249.186.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:46 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6129 /branches/makefile_rewrite/projects/generate.sh: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: generate.sh is a script so make it executable. 15:25:02 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 15:25:47 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:12 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 15:31:51 *** glx [~glx@AAubervilliers-152-1-45-18.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 15:32:51 <ln-> does openttd work under cedega? :) 15:33:58 <Triffid_Hunter> ln-: heh why would you? 15:35:36 <ln-> the linux port could be abandoned. 15:36:31 <hylje> cedega is proprietary 15:36:46 <hylje> liek zomg 15:37:29 <Triffid_Hunter> hylje: cvs access was free last time I checked 15:38:57 *** Def1ant [~Amanuensi@ip54556b89.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:40 <ln-> hylje: well so are the TTD data files... 15:40:16 *** BruceMuggins [~BruceMugg@82.114.187.197] has joined #openttd 15:40:31 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 15:41:53 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2F377.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:12 <BruceMuggins> Hello out there? I was considering downloading openttd,but found that I need to own the original. Any comments? 15:44:54 <hylje> yarrr 15:44:58 <Darkvater> you are correct 15:45:00 <Patrick`> no, we won't help you pirate the old one. 15:45:04 <Patrick`> which you will need to do. 15:45:10 <Darkvater> yes, you have correctly read the readme 15:45:12 <Patrick`> possibly from an abandonware site 15:45:16 <Patrick`> or google. 15:45:22 <Triffid_Hunter> yeah it's not hard to find 15:45:42 <Darkvater> or from the forums where we won't point you to the sticky thread where they might or might not be present 15:46:03 <Patrick`> wink wink nudge nudge I seem to have a twitchy arm and a lazy eye 15:46:52 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 15:48:06 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 15:48:52 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2DE66.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:07 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:58:22 *** BruceMuggins [~BruceMugg@82.114.187.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:59 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 16:10:53 *** BruceMuggins [~BruceMugg@82.114.186.87] has joined #openttd 16:18:45 *** BruceMuggins [~BruceMugg@82.114.186.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:24 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:26:21 <Zavior> What revision is 0.4.8? 16:26:48 <TrueLight> revision = version 16:27:14 <Zavior> Well urgh, you know what I mean :P 16:27:31 <Darkvater> http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/tags 16:27:49 <TrueLight> and it is a version we released 16:28:11 <Zavior> Hurr, forget it 16:28:22 <hylje> :E 16:32:53 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:33:14 *** Rob_ [~Rob1@81.168.91.100] has joined #openttd 16:34:21 <Bjarni> lws1984: just tell me when you are ready to debug your problem and I will walk you though it 16:34:38 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176100136.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:34:51 <lws1984> well, the problem is I can't get acess to Xcode, would UNIX work for compiling? 16:35:10 <hylje> xcode is gcc4 16:35:33 <Bjarni> if you got gcc, then it's ok 16:35:59 <lws1984> hmm, it appears I don't 16:36:12 <Bjarni> hylje: Xcode 2 got gcc4, Xocde 1.x got gcc 3.1 or 3.3, depending on which Xcode you installed 16:36:48 <Bjarni> lws1984: it is on the install DVD and available as a free download from Apple (800 mb) 16:36:50 <hylje> k 16:36:53 <lws1984> aah, thanks 16:37:06 <lws1984> I really should install devtools on this computer... 16:37:15 <lws1984> brb, got to find the disk 16:37:19 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 16:37:22 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176121204.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:45 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1984 16:42:21 *** _WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 16:42:28 <lws1984> sorry Bjarni, got to install the Developer tools 16:44:39 <Bjarni> you use OSX 10.4, right? 16:44:56 <lws1984> aye 16:44:58 <Bjarni> developer tools is for 10.2 16:45:08 <Bjarni> 10.3 or newer uses Xcode 16:45:10 <lws1984> well, Xcode tools is what it's called 16:45:17 <lws1984> but out of habit, I call it developer 16:45:52 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:56 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-104-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:10 <Bjarni> on the software download on http://developer.apple.com is Xcode located under "developer tools" 16:46:23 <lws1984> oh no, I have it, installing from the CD 16:47:08 <Bjarni> I understood that 16:47:28 <Bjarni> I just said that it is also under developer tools on their own homepage 16:47:42 <lws1984> yeah, true 16:47:58 <lws1984> didn't feel like downloading though, work connection is being a bit slow lately 16:49:45 *** Tron_ [xJ28am36@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:50:30 *** RichK_wrk|away [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [Quit: RichK_wrk|away] 16:50:42 *** jonty-comp [bottage@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au reviour!] 16:52:22 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-128-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:52:39 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 16:55:48 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_AfK 17:00:31 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-233-31.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:03:30 <lws1984> Bjarni: I've got Xcode installed 17:03:39 <Sacro> :o MAC USERS 17:04:04 <hylje> zomg? 17:04:10 <hylje> the mac is the best computer you can get 17:04:13 <lws1984> ZOMG! SACRO! 17:04:16 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:04:18 * lws1984 agrees with hylje 17:04:36 <Sacro> yes, im planning on having a hackintosh soon 17:04:49 <grimrc1> hi guys; how do I view .grf files in Linux? I'm wondering if openttd.grf is the 'Openttd' banner image that shows when the main menu does 17:05:11 <Sacro> grimrc1: grfcodec -d 17:05:24 <lws1984> openttd.grf????? 17:05:34 <grimrc1> yeah it's in data/ 17:05:36 <Sacro> will dump the pcx and nfo, then use some kinda image viewer (ie gimp) 17:05:55 * Sacro `cat lws1984 > /dev/null` 17:06:00 <lws1984> oy! 17:06:05 <hylje> cat Sacro > /dev/dsp 17:06:08 * lws1984 sudo rm * 17:06:11 <lws1984> err.. no 17:06:11 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 17:06:17 <Sacro> :o 17:06:18 * lws1984 sudo rm Sacro 17:06:28 <Sacro> YOU KILLED Rens2Sea 17:06:35 <hylje> :< 17:06:44 <lws1984> sorry 17:07:13 <Bjarni> <lws1984> Bjarni: I've got Xcode installed <-- good. To make stuff easier, install fink ( http://fink.sourceforge.net ) and use it to install svn and libpng (really easy) 17:07:13 <lws1984> is Bjarni here? 17:07:15 <lws1984> aah 17:07:22 <lws1984> oh, I've got fink already 17:07:26 <Bjarni> good 17:07:31 <Bjarni> then install svn and get the source 17:07:36 <Sacro> !seen Bjarni 17:07:37 <_42_> Sacro, if you can't see Bjarni here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 17:07:43 <Sacro> yeah, think i do :( 17:08:08 <ln-> Bjarni: does the fink repository ever update? i don't really remember 'apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade' ever showing new packages. 17:08:20 <ln-> package versions that is. 17:08:23 <Bjarni> ln-: fink selfupdate 17:08:27 <ln-> hmm 17:08:36 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 17:08:40 <Sacro> hehe, microsoft.com cant spell verticle 17:08:54 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:59 <lws1984> se, I didn't kill hi.... 17:09:12 <hylje> hah 17:09:20 <lws1984> damm you, peer 17:09:27 <Bjarni> afterwards fink list -o and then you can see what outdated package you got and you can use fink update (package name) or update all to do them all at once 17:09:49 <Sacro> lws1984: you know...i think you might've 17:09:50 <Bjarni> it tells you everything on screen once fink selfupdate is done 17:10:47 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 17:11:32 <lws1984> told you he wasn't dead! 17:14:05 <Sacro> heh 17:14:55 <lws1984> Bjarni: do I need libpng3-shlibs or just libpng3? 17:15:58 <Sacro> <xhtml xmlns="http://www.microsoft.com/MSCOM/MNP2/Schemas"> :| WTF IS THAT 17:16:27 <lws1984> We're sorry, but there is no Microsoft.com Web page that matches your entry. It is possible you typed the address incorrectly, or the page may no longer exist. You may wish to try another entry or choose from the links below, which we hope will help you find what you're looking for. 17:16:33 <Sacro> i think i just discovered what microsoft mean by "standards complient" 17:16:33 <lws1984> nothing, apparently! 17:17:20 <Bjarni> lws1984: just libpng3 17:17:27 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:17:38 <Sacro> windows vista looks scary 17:17:42 <lws1984> ah, thanks 17:17:45 <lws1984> Sacro: tell me about it 17:17:51 <Bjarni> then it will ask if you want to install shlibs as well, since it's needed 17:17:54 <hylje> its hideous 17:17:57 <Bjarni> then you say "yes" ;) 17:17:59 <lws1984> aye, it asked 17:18:05 <lws1984> and I just typed y 17:18:07 <Sacro> i got it on dvd here, Vista beta 2 and OSX 10.4.6 17:18:18 <lws1984> 10.4.6 FTW! 17:18:30 <Sacro> yeah :P with thanks to JaS too 17:18:31 <lws1984> ok, svn and libpng installed 17:18:42 *** TronBSD is now known as Tron 17:19:08 <Bjarni> you should never manually install shlibs manually unless you (like I did once) hit a bug in fink dependancies 17:19:18 <lws1984> hmm, no bugs here 17:19:25 <Bjarni> I know 17:19:31 <lws1984> :p 17:19:34 <Bjarni> I would have been in #fink again if it failed ;) 17:19:43 <lws1984> hah 17:20:00 <Sacro> ROFL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Failed_Microsoft_initiatives 17:20:13 <lws1984> hehehehe 17:20:21 <Sacro> :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob 17:20:28 <lws1984> ehehehe 17:20:31 * lws1984 kills Bob 17:22:44 <Sacro> :o it runs on XP 17:22:52 <lws1984> evil and evil! 17:22:53 <Darkvater> oh god, not bob 17:22:56 <Darkvater> clippy :( 17:23:15 * lws1984 killls Bob and Clippy 17:23:32 <lws1984> Bjarni: how do I use svn? 17:23:36 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@82-37-135-45.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:24:07 <Sacro> http://www.winhistory.de/downloads/dateien/MSBOB.EXE :D 17:24:11 <hylje> :E 17:24:14 <lws1984> D: 17:24:21 <hylje> does it run on wine? 17:24:24 <Sacro> lws1984: svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk 17:24:24 * lws1984 wonders if it will run on a MacBook Pro 17:24:28 <Sacro> hylje: not sure yet... :) 17:24:44 <lws1984> Sacro: thank 17:24:46 <lws1984> *thanks 17:24:51 * lws1984 modifies to use MiniIN 17:25:00 <Sacro> Vorstellung ? 17:25:09 <Sacro> lws1984: /branches/MiniIN 17:25:21 <lws1984> aah, thanks 17:25:56 <lws1984> wtf??? -bash: svn: command not found 17:25:59 <Sacro> "wine MSBOB.exe" 17:26:43 <Bjarni> * lws1984 wonders if it will run on a MacBook Pro <-- fink, svn and openttd runs just fine on IntelMacs 17:27:04 <lws1984> Bjarni: I meant M$ Bob 17:27:06 <lws1984> :p 17:27:10 <Bjarni> oh 17:27:16 <Bjarni> well, my statement is still right 17:27:18 <Sacro> heh 17:27:32 <lws1984> too bad my svn isn't working 17:27:45 <Bjarni> that is what you get for doing three things at once 17:27:54 <lws1984> 3 things at once? 17:28:07 <Bjarni> watching news, coding OpenTTD, helping you 17:28:26 <Bjarni> I working on that shared orders GUI patch from the forum 17:29:01 <Bjarni> I don't think the patch writer can recognise it anymore... since now it's way better ;) 17:29:02 <lws1984> aah, wel, I'm eating lunch, checking to see if I spelled it wrong, and on IRC 17:29:04 <Bjarni> but still not done 17:31:06 <lws1984> should I have done svn-client? 17:31:31 <Bjarni> yes, but if you can check out the trunk, then you got what you need 17:32:42 <Sacro> :o http://www.winhistory.de/more/pics/xp74vga.gif 17:32:42 <lws1984> you mean in a browser? 17:33:02 <Bjarni> no 17:33:15 <hylje> AAAAAAAAA! 17:33:16 <Sacro> thats an impressive spec 17:33:28 <Bjarni> <Sacro> lws1984: svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk <-- if that line checks out the trunk, then you got the app you need 17:33:43 <hylje> Sacro: some germans managed to run xp on a 7MHz 17:33:51 <lws1984> well, I got a "svn: command not found" or something like that 17:34:02 <Bjarni> then think install svn-client 17:34:09 <Bjarni> err 17:34:13 <Bjarni> fink install svn-client 17:34:14 <lws1984> aha, I installled svn-client, now it works 17:34:14 <Bjarni> :) 17:34:24 <lws1984> getting the trunk now, it's quite large 17:34:27 <lws1984> from the looks of it 17:34:27 <Sacro> :o OH WOW http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/Screenshot8mhz_system.gif 17:34:32 <Bjarni> I know 17:34:48 <lws1984> Sacro: holy crap! 17:35:05 <Sacro> hehe 17:35:12 <hylje> booting that thing takes around half an hour 17:35:13 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 17:35:18 <hylje> s/an/a 17:35:27 <Sacro> 8 minutes to load up the homepage 17:35:55 <Bjarni> how long to generate a 64x64 OTTD map? 17:36:25 <hylje> i think it cant keep up with ottd 17:36:33 <lws1984> mkay, I've got svn working properly, did svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/branches/miniIN 17:36:40 <lws1984> now what? 17:36:51 <Bjarni> cd miniIN 17:37:03 <Bjarni> make DEBUG:=3 17:37:09 <Bjarni> wait 17:37:51 <TrueLight> Sacro: XP on a 74MHz? :) Hahaha! 17:37:54 <Sacro> ahh the memories http://www.winhistory.de/more/winstart/mp3/win95.mp3 17:37:59 <hylje> TrueLight: -4 17:38:01 <Sacro> TrueLight: thats nothing, see the next link 17:38:10 <TrueLight> for sure Windows Vista won't run on it ;) 17:38:16 <TrueLight> hylje: it states 74 17:38:16 <Sacro> it will 17:38:24 <Sacro> TrueLight: nooo, the 2nd link ;) 17:38:32 <hylje> TrueLight: 7mhz is possible 17:38:33 <TrueLight> Sacro: I don't believe that :p 17:38:44 <hylje> you better believe the screenshots 17:38:50 <Sacro> TrueLight: he has other shots, of the hardware, and other apps 17:38:50 <TrueLight> I don't :p 17:39:19 <Sacro> TrueLight: http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/everest8mhz.gif 17:39:56 <Sacro> Intel Pentium Overdrive 8MHz 17:40:01 <TrueLight> anyway, Vista takes 5 minutes to boot on a AMD 3400+, because the video card isn't good enough (tell me the connection) 17:40:09 <hylje> wow 17:40:16 <Sacro> wow, and a Quantam Fireball HDD 17:40:36 <Patrick`> impressive 17:40:37 <lws1984> Bjarni: do I do that or do I still wait? 17:40:49 <Patrick`> I've only gone as low as a 233 with 64 ram 17:40:51 <Patrick`> but ... a 486 17:40:52 <Patrick`> jesus 17:41:08 <TrueLight> I had to maintain 400 MHz 128 MB with WinXP.. hellish! 17:41:11 <TrueLight> updating took forever 17:41:13 <Sacro> hehe "The golden Sandclock Award For extreme waste of time." 17:41:15 <TrueLight> (30 of those stations btw) 17:41:35 <hylje> :o 17:41:47 <Patrick`> mmm sandcock 17:41:50 <Patrick`> er, hehe 17:41:52 <Sacro> a total of 9MFLOPS 17:42:00 <hylje> milliflops 17:42:06 <Sacro> 30 minute boottime 17:43:22 <TrueLight> The original supercomputer, the Cray-1, was set up at Los Alamos National Laboratory in 1976. The Cray-1 was capable of 80 MFLOPS (or, according to another source, 138\u2013250 MFLOPS). 17:44:02 <Patrick`> crays were insan 17:44:21 <TrueLight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500 <- I have seen, in fact, touched, #2 :) 17:44:38 <TrueLight> the list is only out of date, it seems 17:44:44 <hylje> a cray is so powerful it can solve a infinite loop in seconds! 17:45:14 <Patrick`> TrueLight: well, I saw the ISIS pulsed neutron and muon source 17:45:37 <Patrick`> and felt the neutrons in my retinas 17:46:57 <TrueLight> * 1997: about US,000 per GFLOPS; with two 16-Pentium-Pro\u2013processor Beowulf cluster computers, Loki and Hyglac 17:46:57 <TrueLight> * 2000, May: 0 per GFLOPS, KLAT2, University of Kentucky 17:46:57 <TrueLight> * 2003, August: per GFLOPS, KASY0, University of Kentucky 17:46:57 <TrueLight> * 2005: about per GFLOPS in the XBOX 360 in case Linux will be implented as intended [1] 17:46:57 <TrueLight> * 2006, February: about per GFLOPS in ATI PC add-in graphics card (X1900 architecture) 17:47:00 <TrueLight> nice facts :) 17:47:09 <Patrick`> mm 17:47:12 <Patrick`> what about the cell 17:47:25 <Patrick`> optimised for disturbinly good 32-bit flop performance 17:50:32 <Bjarni> <lws1984> Bjarni: do I do that or do I still wait? <-- eventually it will be done compiling 17:50:50 <Bjarni> then you copy the TTD files into the data dir 17:51:27 <Bjarni> then you run the game, ensure that it is in window mode and then you quit 17:51:41 <Sacro> "instead preferring to stick with PCs, printers, and not killing people in fiery laptop-related explosions" 17:51:45 <Bjarni> run the game with ./openttd 17:51:55 <Bjarni> lws1984: still here? 17:52:36 * Sacro waits for ping timeout 17:53:27 <Bjarni> <TrueLight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500 <- I have seen, in fact, touched, #2 :) <-- nice, but where is the full list? 17:53:35 <hylje> top500.com ? 17:53:45 <TrueLight> check bottom indeed 17:54:04 <Sacro> it just keeps getting worse... 17:54:17 <Sacro> [18:46] <TrueLight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500 <- I have seen, in fact, touched, #2 :) 17:54:24 <Sacro> [18:56] <TrueLight> check bottom indeed 17:54:27 <Sacro> D: 17:54:30 <TrueLight> ass 17:54:36 <Sacro> hehe, even better! 17:54:52 <hylje> <TrueLight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500 <- I have seen, in fact, touched, #2 :) 17:54:55 <hylje> hi TrueLight ! 17:55:37 <TrueLight> hi hylje 18:01:42 <lws1984> Bjarni: aye, sorry 18:02:07 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:26 <lws1984> so I run svn make DEBUG:3 svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/miniIN 18:02:27 <lws1984> right? 18:02:52 <Bjarni> no 18:03:05 <Bjarni> you check out the source with svn 18:03:09 <Bjarni> I think you already did that 18:03:16 <Bjarni> then you cd into that dir 18:03:23 <Bjarni> and run make DEBUG:=3 18:03:41 <Bjarni> the source is the same for both debug and release builds ;) 18:04:30 <lws1984> so I do svn co <trunk>, then where does that end up, cd doesn't work 18:04:41 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:05:13 <CIA-2> glx * r6130 /branches/MiniIN/openttd_vs80.vcproj: [MiniIN] -Fix(r6027): tgp_gui.c was not removed from VS2005 project file 18:05:31 <Tron> in a directory with the same name as the last component of the URL 18:05:55 <lws1984> aah 18:06:07 <lws1984> aha, yeah search! 18:06:08 <lws1984> http://singaporekid.munki.org/stuff/TTD/NightmareTindhall.png 18:06:11 <Tron> how about rtfm? 18:06:12 <lws1984> eh.. what? 18:06:19 <lws1984> not Tron, the pasting there 18:06:53 *** e1ko_AfK is now known as e1ko 18:12:08 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 18:12:12 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:20 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 18:16:24 <MeusH> hey 18:17:39 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:18:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp24-18.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:21:46 <scia> Heya! 18:21:59 <lws1984> Bjarni: finished compiling 18:22:18 <Bjarni> good 18:22:37 <Bjarni> then you run ./openttd 18:22:43 <Bjarni> see if the problem is still there 18:23:09 <lws1984> ./ ? 18:23:26 *** sayno [~sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:46 <lws1984> oh wait, wrong directory 18:23:47 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@82-37-135-45.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:51 * lws1984 slaps himself on the head 18:25:42 * scia helps lws1984 with slapping 18:25:46 <lws1984> thanks 18:25:54 * lws1984 goes to find TTD files 18:26:13 <Bjarni> put them in the data dir 18:26:20 <Bjarni> (like I said earlier) 18:26:57 <lws1984> aye, I figured that much 18:27:22 <lws1984> yay, it's not freezing! 18:27:26 <lws1984> on any of the buttons! 18:27:40 * lws1984 loads his GRF's and scenarios 18:27:42 <lws1984> thanks Bjarni 18:28:06 <Bjarni> hmm 18:28:21 <Bjarni> which brings up an interesting question: why did it freeze before? 18:28:53 <lws1984> indeed, 'tis puzzling 18:29:20 <Bjarni> if you want to play it with the binary you compiled yourself, you should edit Makefile.config and remove DEBUG (remove the 3 after the = ) 18:29:30 <Bjarni> debug builds are too slow for normal gaming 18:29:34 <lws1984> aah, thanks 18:30:11 <Bjarni> it is designed to keep track of contents of variables and so on and code optimisation is turned off when compiling 18:30:37 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 18:33:00 <lws1984> I can delete all those code files and such (everything behind what's in a normal OpenTTD folder), right? 18:33:24 <hylje> you may but i'd not do that 18:33:28 <hylje> it slows down upgrading 18:33:46 <lws1984> aah, ok then 18:36:29 <Bjarni> yeah, just keep it 18:36:31 *** fusee [~fusion@69-160-141-1.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:36 <Bjarni> keep them 18:36:39 <lws1984> ok, thanks 18:36:52 <Bjarni> now you can also get patches and compile them yourself 18:37:20 <Bjarni> using the clever command "patch -i filename" 18:37:30 <lws1984> ooh, neat 18:37:40 <Bjarni> svn revert -R . 18:37:53 <Bjarni> removes all patches and make your source code like the trunk again 18:38:02 <lws1984> hm, thanks 18:38:04 <Bjarni> svnup.sh will update to the newest trunk 18:38:05 * lws1984 goes to RTFM 18:38:36 <Bjarni> and svn up -r xxxx updates to revision xxxx, even if it is an older one. Useful for figuring out when a bug was introduced 18:39:03 <hylje> svn up updates to latest without arguments 18:40:42 <Bjarni> now I spent so much time helping lws1984 and I didn't even get a bug to solve :( 18:41:25 <Bjarni> at this speed of getting/learning stuff, lws1984 will be a master coder in a month or so 18:41:41 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:42:00 <lws1984> :p 18:42:12 <lws1984> well, I don't know about that, graphics was always my best task 18:42:29 <Bjarni> meaning you can fix the cocoa video driver? 18:42:32 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:41 <Bjarni> or draw sprites kind of graphics? 18:43:15 <lws1984> sprites, I mean 18:43:23 <lws1984> artist, I should have said 18:43:29 <Bjarni> https://support07.apple.com/index.html <-- Apple is recalling iBook/powerbook/Macbook Pro batteries due to risk of fires. It turns out that they used the same subcontractor (Sony) as Dell for batteries 18:43:37 <Bjarni> just in case you didn't notice 18:43:50 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: that info is for you as well 18:44:05 <MaulingMonkey> ! 18:45:01 <lws1984> Bjarni: aye, my G3 has a G4 battery and it qualifies 18:45:11 <lws1984> new battery, w00t! 18:45:12 <Sacro> ah well, kill off a few mac users, no big loss 18:45:21 <lws1984> Sacro: Mac users make the world go round! 18:45:45 <Sacro> lws1984: well point the mac east, make it spin faster when it goes up 18:45:52 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.144.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:53 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [wrong thing to say when only mac users are present] 18:45:53 <JonRox> -=[InFo KiCk]=- Bjarni ha kickato Sacro 18:46:00 <hylje> :O 18:46:00 <Bjarni> o_O 18:46:09 <MaulingMonkey> My 14" is not affected \o/ 18:46:23 <Bjarni> wtf is JonRox for a bot? 18:46:26 <lws1984> MaulingMonkey: hey, that's bad, no new free battery for you! 18:46:42 <MaulingMonkey> Psssch, it's new enough I don't need one. 18:46:46 <Bjarni> yeah, replacement batteries are always good 18:46:58 <lws1984> well, mine is from.. when they introduced the iBook G4 18:47:16 <MaulingMonkey> Then yes, a free new battery would suit you well :-) 18:47:23 <lws1984> hehe, 2-ish year old battery in a 5 year old computter 18:47:26 *** fusey [quoteit@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:40 <lws1984> too bad the colors don't match 18:49:32 *** fusee [~fusion@69-160-141-1.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:54 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-233-31.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:51:34 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 18:56:31 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [] 18:56:52 *** sayno [~sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:57:08 <smeding> captain obvious bots suck 18:57:14 <smeding> and woo, that's the first thing i've said here 18:57:21 <smeding> well, since #openttd moved servers anyway. 18:58:18 *** Ammler [~Ammler@130-205.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:25 *** Ammler [~Ammler@130-205.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 19:12:45 *** terje [~terje@117.80-202-25.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:04 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 19:17:19 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-140-227.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 19:17:38 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-140-227.vodafone-net.de] has quit [] 19:18:19 <CIA-2> belugas * r6131 /trunk/newgrf.c: 19:18:19 <CIA-2> -Codechange : Complete all missing _ttdpatch_flags entries 19:18:19 <CIA-2> -Feature : both unifiedmaglevmode are now set. 19:18:19 <CIA-2> Maglev and monorail are not allowed to run on each other tracks and will not be. 19:18:19 <CIA-2> Setting those flags will allow grfsets as the Norvegian one to be loaded 19:18:20 <CIA-2> -Codechange : link the TTDPatch's irregularstations with OTTD's nonuniform_stations 19:18:22 <CIA-2> -Codechange : Reformat the whole array (thanks Rubidium, it sure looks better now) 19:19:09 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 19:23:00 <MeusH> hey, I'd like someone speaking Deutsch to help me, please 19:23:43 <Sacro_> MeusH: ja? 19:24:14 <MeusH> In sentence "Szuwarowa strasse 7" - should strasse be upper or lower case, also should it be "ss" or sharfen es? 19:24:25 <MeusH> and is it the right order of the words? 19:24:41 <Sacro_> afaik sharfen es was deprecated 19:24:45 <Sacro_> ß you mean? 19:24:48 <MeusH> yep 19:24:56 <MeusH> well that's what I remember, but it is still used 19:24:57 <Sacro_> and strasse means street? 19:25:01 <MeusH> yes 19:25:11 <Sacro_> should be capitalized as its a noun 19:25:16 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 19:26:33 <Sacro> but then my german isnt brilliant 19:26:47 <MeusH> how about native speakers, please? 19:26:59 <MeusH> Strasse or Straße? 19:27:31 <Sacro> i think its Strasse 19:29:43 <MeusH> allrighty 19:29:44 <MeusH> thanks 19:30:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's Straße 19:30:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> after long vowel and diphtong, write ß 19:30:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is the new rule 19:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> but it is perfectly legal to use ss, if you do not have an ß 19:31:30 <Sacro> i think i lost my ß :( 19:31:37 <Kjetil> ß ? 19:31:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> so nobody would really mind... 19:32:03 <TrueLight> I rarely use a ringleS, always ss, because I can't type the other one :p 19:32:08 <TrueLight> (and hated to write it down) 19:32:16 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: miika] 19:32:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> btw. the name is "sz" 19:35:23 <Sacro> ß? 19:36:40 <lws1984> Sacro is a ßitch! 19:36:50 <hylje> ssitch! 19:37:14 <Sacro> lws1984 ÷ 0 19:37:25 <MeusH> thanks Eddi|zuHause2, I'll use ß 19:37:26 * lws1984 shall be back later-ish 19:37:26 <hylje> divided by zero! o shi-- 19:37:36 <lws1984> damn, I'm dea--------------- 19:37:51 <Darkvater> c 19:37:59 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: DEAD!] 19:40:15 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:12 <MeusH> Eddi|zuHause2, I think some words should begine with a capital letter. I'd be grateful for pointing these out: gebem wir ihnen wieder ein strahlendes Lächeln 19:42:29 <CIA-2> belugas * r6132 /branches/XTDwidget/ (31 files in 4 dirs): [XTDwidget] -Synch with trunk r6063:r6131 19:42:34 * Sacro considers selling MeusH a german 19:42:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> "geben" 19:42:56 * MeusH considers hiding Sacro in a container 19:43:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> the beginning of the sentence should be capitalized 19:43:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> the rest is ok 19:43:18 <hylje> Belugas: widget revising? 19:43:48 <Belugas> yes, hylje 19:43:59 <MeusH> Eddi|zuHause2, what does mean wieder and strahlendes? 19:44:02 <hylje> about time :) 19:44:03 <Belugas> Lot of work still ahaead 19:44:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> wieder = again 19:44:31 <MeusH> okay 19:44:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> strahlen = what the sun does 19:44:46 <MeusH> shines? 19:44:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> no... more like "radiate" 19:45:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> but that is not exact 19:45:06 <MeusH> ohh, I see 19:45:16 <Belugas> hylje : first, remove the 32 bit limit on disable/hidden(done)/click 19:45:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> shine = scheinen 19:45:44 <MeusH> to emit the light maybye? 19:45:49 <Belugas> then, some magical self do it clickadiclack on buttons, hopefully 19:48:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... the meaning is not literal here ;) 19:48:10 *** _AciD_ [~AciD@tehpwnz.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:15 *** |AciD| [~AciD@tehpwnz.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> "strahlendes Lachen" is like a "bright smile" maybe 19:48:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> if that phrase exists in english 19:49:07 <MeusH> yeah 19:49:11 <MeusH> thank you very much 19:50:40 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 19:52:52 <Bjarni> * MeusH considers hiding Sacro in a container <-- you will be rewarded if you do that 19:52:53 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@80-235-121-66-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:08 <MeusH> the problem comes with container 19:53:21 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@80-235-121-66-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 19:53:22 <MeusH> I'd need a big truck or train to bring that container 19:53:32 <MeusH> it would be easier to spawn Sacro in OpenTTD world 19:53:47 <MeusH> it wouldn't be a problem to drag&drop him to a cargo train 19:53:56 <MeusH> and crash it in the tunnel 19:53:58 <Bjarni> nobody said anything about the size of the container 19:54:01 <MeusH> then destroy the tunnel 19:54:19 <Bjarni> it could be 20x30x50 cm and contain compressed Sacro 19:55:12 <Sacro> :o 19:55:29 <Bjarni> see, he is preparing to let out all the air from his body 19:55:46 <Sacro> i am not gzip'able 19:55:57 <MeusH> how about 7z? 19:56:01 <Sacro> no 19:56:12 <scia> isn't it a know bug that Sacro is midget? 19:56:13 <Bjarni> I meant mechanical compression 19:56:24 <Sacro> ouch 19:56:30 <Bjarni> scia: now that you mention it.... 19:56:42 <Sacro> im 5'8 19:56:48 <Bjarni> not for long :p 19:56:56 *** Osai^Kendo [~Osai@p54B37D88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:18 <Bjarni> btw how much is 5'8 in a human scale? 19:57:22 <scia> 5'8 will be 5.8 cm when we convert you to metric scale 19:57:28 <Bjarni> yeah 19:57:49 <Bjarni> NASA conversion 19:57:57 <Bjarni> 1 a = 1 b 19:58:11 <Bjarni> 1 cm = 1 foot 19:58:14 <Bjarni> and so on 19:58:19 <scia> I've never been good in maths 19:58:26 <Bjarni> o_O 19:58:36 <Bjarni> what is 2 + 3? 19:58:41 <scia> If you can't learn the rules, then make the rules 19:58:44 <scia> 6 :p 19:58:53 <scia> !calc 2 + 3 19:58:54 <_42_> scia: 5; 19:58:57 <scia> :o 19:58:58 <scia> :p 19:59:08 <Patrick`> what is 0?5:2+0?5:2 19:59:09 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@80-235-121-66-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:17 <Sacro> !calc (10/3)*3 19:59:18 <lws1984> !calc pi x 2 19:59:18 <_42_> Sacro: 9.9999999999; 19:59:21 <_42_> lws1984: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 19:59:26 <lws1984> BOO HOO HOO 19:59:32 <Bjarni> <Patrick`> what is 0?5:2+0?5:2 <-- 5 19:59:33 <Patrick`> !calc 1.0 19:59:34 <_42_> Patrick`: 1.0; 19:59:44 <Patrick`> !calc 0.1 19:59:44 <_42_> Patrick`: .1; 19:59:47 <Sacro> thats an easy one! 19:59:51 <Patrick`> aww, stupid floating point 20:00:33 <Bjarni> !calc pi * 2 20:00:33 <lws1984> !calc 2 x 5 20:00:33 <_42_> Bjarni: 0; 20:00:34 <_42_> lws1984: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:00:43 <Bjarni> !calc ? * 2 20:00:44 <lws1984> !calc pi * 2 20:00:44 <_42_> Bjarni: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:00:47 <_42_> lws1984: 0; 20:00:52 <Bjarni> !calc pi 20:00:52 <_42_> Bjarni: 0; 20:00:54 <Sacro> !calc 100! 20:00:55 <lws1984> boohoo 20:00:57 <_42_> Sacro: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:00:59 <Sacro> aww :( 20:01:29 <Bjarni> I thought pi was around 3,14, but now I learned that it's 0 20:01:37 <Sacro> 3.14159265359 20:01:41 <Bjarni> that makes geometry way easier 20:02:06 <scia> !calc scia * 2 20:02:08 <_42_> scia: 0; 20:02:11 <scia> :'( 20:02:23 <Bjarni> 2*?*r=0, nomatter what r is 20:02:31 <lws1984> woah, heightmaps! 20:02:44 * lws1984 shall have to fiddle around with this 20:03:01 <scia> lws1984: my heightmap is ~1.83m :) 20:03:42 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:53 *** terje [~terje@117.80-202-25.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: terje] 20:06:20 <smeding> newbs are just too much fun. 20:06:43 <smeding> we got this guy to tie a knot in his PC's power cable to make "less current flow through" 20:06:51 <hylje> :E 20:07:02 <TrueLight> hehe 20:07:06 <smeding> HYLJE ON SUOMALAINEN 20:07:10 <smeding> i think 20:07:19 <smeding> \o/ 20:07:21 <smeding> also boredom 20:07:46 <Patrick`> !calc define f (x) {if (x <= 1) return (1); return (f(x-1) * x);f(10)} 20:07:46 <_42_> Patrick`: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:07:46 <hylje> zomg 20:07:48 <lws1984> smeding: classic! 20:07:49 <Patrick`> damn 20:07:51 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 20:08:48 <Belugas> :D http://youtube.com/watch?v=PtJzM7NiY5U&search=mogwai :D 20:08:55 <Patrick`> !calc define f (x) {if (x <= 1) return (1); return (f(x-1) * x)};f(20) 20:08:56 <_42_> Patrick`: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:09:12 <Patrick`> ok, I'm done 20:09:12 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:09:39 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:52 <Kjetil> !calc a= 1 ; b = 0 ; a/b 20:09:53 <_42_> Kjetil: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:09:57 <Kjetil> !calc a= 1 ; b = 0 ; a/a 20:09:58 <_42_> Kjetil: 1.0000000000; 20:10:12 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5715.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:28 <Sacro> Kjetil: oooh wow! 20:10:36 <Kjetil> hardcore math 20:10:39 <Sacro> :o 20:10:48 * Sacro wonders about googling it 20:10:54 <hylje> !calc 1/0 20:10:55 <_42_> hylje: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:10:55 <TrueLight> Patrick`: it is not your fault, it should work 20:11:16 <Kjetil> 1/0 -> infinite 20:12:03 <Bjarni> TrueLight: it failed on pi :( 20:12:08 <TrueLight> Bjarni: dah 20:12:15 <Sacro> ah well, off out... 20:12:21 <Bjarni> !calc pi 20:12:22 <_42_> Bjarni: 0; 20:12:23 <Bjarni> !calc pi() 20:12:24 <_42_> Bjarni: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:12:30 <Patrick`> TrueLight: yeah, I just tested that one in bc here 20:12:31 <Bjarni> !calc Pi 20:12:32 <_42_> Bjarni: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:12:38 <Kjetil> !calc e^2 20:12:40 <TrueLight> Patrick`: I force scale=10 20:12:40 <_42_> Kjetil: 0; 20:12:43 <TrueLight> but clearly I force that wrong 20:12:46 <TrueLight> !calc e()^2 20:12:46 <_42_> TrueLight: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:12:48 <TrueLight> !calc e(2) 20:12:48 <_42_> TrueLight: 7.3890560989; 20:12:51 <Kjetil> ah 20:12:57 <Kjetil> !calc log(e(2)) 20:12:57 <TrueLight> learn bc :) 20:12:58 <_42_> Kjetil: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:13:00 <MeusH> !calc foo=2; bar=3; foo+bar 20:13:02 <_42_> MeusH: 5; 20:13:06 <MeusH> omg it works 20:13:08 <MeusH> \o/ 20:13:13 <Patrick`> !calc 2+2;5 20:13:14 <_42_> Patrick`: 4;5; 20:13:22 <Bjarni> TrueLight: I live in years named ad, not be. Those are old fasioned :p 20:13:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-233-31.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:41 <hylje> !calc foo=2; bar=foo*2; foo*bar 20:13:43 <_42_> hylje: 8; 20:13:56 <MeusH> !calc pi=3,1415; pi^pi 20:13:56 <_42_> MeusH: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:14:00 <MeusH> !calc pi=3,1415; pi^2 20:14:00 <_42_> MeusH: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:14:00 <TrueLight> Bjarni: what the fuck are you talking about 20:14:03 <MeusH> !calc pi=3,1415; pi*2 20:14:05 <_42_> MeusH: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:14:07 <TrueLight> MeusH: decimal sign is DOT 20:14:10 <TrueLight> and fuck off testing the bot 20:14:13 <TrueLight> go to your own channel 20:14:14 <MeusH> !calc pi=3.1415; pi^pi 20:14:14 <_42_> MeusH: 31.0035333983; 20:14:15 <MeusH> thanks 20:15:49 <Bjarni> <TrueLight> Bjarni: what the fuck are you talking about <-- bc = before Christ :p 20:15:57 <TrueLight> bad joke 20:15:58 <TrueLight> really bad 20:16:30 <Bjarni> anyway how do you get pi? 20:16:47 <MaulingMonkey> Well, go to a bakery... 20:16:55 <Bjarni> ... 20:17:02 <MaulingMonkey> And ask them for pi! 20:17:02 <Bjarni> pi, not pie 20:17:03 <TrueLight> !calc define f (x) {if (x <= 1) return (1); return (f(x-1) * x)};f(20) 20:17:04 <_42_> TrueLight: 2432902008176640000; 20:17:09 <TrueLight> there you go Patrick` :) 20:17:11 <TrueLight> some bug in BC 20:17:17 <TrueLight> scale=10; define blabla isn't allowed 20:17:21 <TrueLight> define has to be on the first line 20:17:22 <TrueLight> how weird 20:17:45 *** Rob_ [~Rob1@81.168.91.100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:19:34 <TrueLight> !calc 4*a(1) 20:19:35 <_42_> TrueLight: 3.1415926532; 20:19:38 <TrueLight> there is your pi :) 20:20:34 <Bjarni> hmm 20:20:34 <MaulingMonkey> It's pretty inaccurate. 20:20:45 <MaulingMonkey> that last digit should be 8, or 9 if you're rounding. 20:20:47 <Bjarni> !calc a(1) 20:20:49 <_42_> Bjarni: .7853981633; 20:20:52 <Bjarni> !calc 4*a(1) 20:20:55 <_42_> Bjarni: 3.1415926532; 20:21:01 <Kjetil> !calc a(2) 20:21:02 <_42_> Kjetil: 1.1071487177; 20:21:08 <Patrick`> if it's only a 32-bit floating point number that makes sense 20:21:41 <TrueLight> [22:20:34] <MaulingMonkey> It's pretty inaccurate. <- LOL! Just because last digit is wrong :) 20:21:50 <TrueLight> !calc scale=100;4*a(1) 20:21:51 <_42_> TrueLight: 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170676; 20:21:56 <MaulingMonkey> Hey, when I have more digits memorized than it's accurate to.... 20:22:01 <MaulingMonkey> Aha! There we go :P 20:22:06 <Bjarni> !calc 1(10) 20:22:08 <_42_> Bjarni: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:22:15 <Bjarni> !calc 1(2) 20:22:17 <_42_> Bjarni: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:22:21 <Bjarni> hmm 20:22:24 <lws1984> !callc yer_mum + Will_Riker 20:22:36 <Bjarni> err 20:22:36 <TrueLight> !calc scale=1000;4*a(1) 20:22:37 <_42_> TrueLight: 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326117931051185480 20:22:38 <Bjarni> what? 20:22:41 <TrueLight> I believe it can scale pretty well ;) 20:22:45 <Kjetil> !call Arnold Swartzneger + Chuck Norris 20:22:49 <TrueLight> a(1) is absolute correct :) 20:22:58 <Kjetil> erhm 20:23:02 <Kjetil> that should be !calc 20:23:04 <Bjarni> !calc a=1; a 20:23:05 <_42_> Bjarni: 1; 20:23:08 <Bjarni> !calc a=1; a(1) 20:23:09 <_42_> Bjarni: .7853981633; 20:23:19 <Bjarni> !calc a=1; b 20:23:19 <_42_> Bjarni: 0; 20:23:19 <TrueLight> Bjarni: to test bc, do it locally 20:23:21 <MaulingMonkey> !calc define f(x) { return f(x); }; f(42); 20:23:47 *** MaulingMonkey was kicked from #openttd by TrueLight [DO NOT ABUSE THE BOT!] 20:23:47 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~chatzilla@*.sd.sd.cox.net] by TrueLight 20:23:47 <JonRox> -=[InFo KiCk]=- TrueLight ha kickato MaulingMonkey 20:23:54 <Kjetil> !calc a(a(a(a(a(a(a(a(a(1))))))))) 20:23:56 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~chatzilla@*.sd.sd.cox.net] by TrueLight 20:23:56 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@80-235-121-66-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 20:24:04 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:09 <MaulingMonkey> :D 20:24:10 *** JonRox was kicked from #openttd by TrueLight [Do not have scripts in #openttd!] 20:24:13 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~NoLamerZ@*.pool80116.interbusiness.it] by TrueLight 20:24:17 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~NoLamerZ@*.pool80116.interbusiness.it] by TrueLight 20:24:35 <TrueLight> the bad thing is, it doesn't timeout 20:24:38 <TrueLight> it should in fact 20:25:09 <TrueLight> even worse, it kills the whole server 20:25:15 <TrueLight> Okay, calc script goes offline 20:25:16 <TrueLight> tnx MaulingMonkey 20:25:17 <Kjetil> oh ? *hides* 20:25:17 <TrueLight> :s 20:25:19 <MaulingMonkey> :( 20:25:31 <Kjetil> It's gonna blow 20:25:44 <TrueLight> the server doesn't have much room... very limited CPU and mem assignment 20:25:47 <TrueLight> something is _terrible_ wrong 20:26:12 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: now is your chance to say that you were only bug hunting ;) 20:26:28 <TrueLight> :s This really should never happened 20:26:28 <MaulingMonkey> Yeah, what he said! 20:26:45 <TrueLight> The whole server is now unresponsive 20:26:49 <TrueLight> (outside the VPS) 20:27:01 <TrueLight> which in fact is considered impossible 20:27:45 <_42_> Kjetil: .3830779110; 20:27:48 *** Peach [~Peach@cpe.atm2-0-1111159.0x50c6a2e6.odnxx4.customer.tele.dk] has quit [] 20:27:51 <Kjetil> haha 20:27:56 <Bjarni> LAG 20:27:58 <TrueLight> it is your lucky day MaulingMonkey 20:28:03 <MaulingMonkey> \o/ 20:28:04 <TrueLight> load was > 50 20:28:10 <TrueLight> I guess it ran out of memory 20:28:33 <Kjetil> yeah. The kernel would probably kill it 20:28:39 <TrueLight> at a certain moment 20:28:43 <TrueLight> but that moment should be MUCH sooner 20:28:49 <Bjarni> it only took 5 minutes to reply to Kjetil 20:28:55 <Bjarni> now that's a quick calculator :p 20:28:57 <TrueLight> in fact, it is configured to kill processes much sooner 20:32:18 <TrueLight> !calc define f(x) { return f(x); }; f(42); 20:32:22 <TrueLight> hehe 20:32:26 <TrueLight> stupid scripts 20:33:01 <MaulingMonkey> At least this time it's not MY fault :P 20:33:10 <TrueLight> You are just the cause 20:33:21 <Bjarni> which is good enough for a kick 20:33:23 <Bjarni> or what? 20:33:32 <Bjarni> !stats 20:33:32 <TrueLight> he already had thatone 20:33:33 <_42_> Bjarni: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 20:34:05 <Bjarni> he replied rather quickly to that one 20:34:19 <MaulingMonkey> !pie 20:35:10 <MaulingMonkey> Hmmph. Boost's unit test framework needs macros for timeout tests. 20:36:48 <TrueLight> pipes in bash are funny things 20:37:01 <Patrick`> smagnificent 20:37:26 * Bjarni returns from the kitchen and gives MaulingMonkey a pie 20:37:35 <MaulingMonkey> \o/ 20:37:36 * MaulingMonkey devours 20:37:49 <Bjarni> !money 20:37:55 * Bjarni waits 20:38:00 <Bjarni> this will be good 20:38:15 * MaulingMonkey finds a penny on the ground, and gives it to Bjarni 20:38:35 <Bjarni> I had hoped for more 20:38:42 <Bjarni> no more pies for MaulingMonkey 20:38:45 <MaulingMonkey> I'm a cheap bastard :P 20:39:02 <Bjarni> do you have Scottish relatives? 20:39:10 <MaulingMonkey> Not that I'm aware of. 20:39:32 <TrueLight> !calc define f(x) { return f(x); }; f(42); 20:39:34 <TrueLight> Good :) 20:39:38 <TrueLight> now it no longer crashes the bot 20:39:40 <Bjarni> btw do you guys know why we tend to say that the Scottish are cheap? 20:39:41 <MaulingMonkey> \o/ 20:39:46 <TrueLight> I also don't have a way to report an error... 20:40:17 <MaulingMonkey> !calc print $CWD 20:40:19 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:40:22 <TrueLight> hahaha 20:40:23 <TrueLight> :) 20:40:32 <MaulingMonkey> !calc $CWD 20:40:34 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:40:37 <MaulingMonkey> good good :) 20:40:47 <TrueLight> I believe bc doesn't have such exploits 20:40:49 <MaulingMonkey> !calc system( "cwd" ) 20:40:52 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:41:16 <Bjarni> !calc system( "root password" ) 20:41:17 <_42_> Bjarni: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:41:22 <Bjarni> nice 20:41:32 <TrueLight> you can't limit a process to run less then 1 second 20:41:33 <TrueLight> too bad :) 20:41:38 <MaulingMonkey> !calc system( "pwd" ) 20:41:39 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:42:01 <MaulingMonkey> !calc `pwd` 20:42:03 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 20:42:28 <MeusH> MiHaMiX, what's that mail about? 20:42:40 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 20:42:46 <Belugas_Gone> Weekend at last! 20:42:48 <TrueLight> !calc "; echo "`pwd` 20:42:49 <_42_> TrueLight: scale=10; ; 20:42:52 <TrueLight> hehehe 20:42:54 <MeusH> have fun Belugas_Gone 20:43:07 <Bjarni> ok, since nobody replied, I presume I'm the only one to know why we say that the Scottish are cheap. Here is the actually really simple reason. Before GB was formed, England conquered Scotland and the Scottish had to pay tax to the English crown. They didn't want to do that and have been called cheap ever since 20:43:08 <Belugas_Gone> thanks MeusH 20:43:12 <Bjarni> this was really long ago 20:43:15 <Belugas_Gone> Same f or all of you! 20:43:23 <TrueLight> !calc "; echo `pwd`; echo " 20:43:25 <_42_> TrueLight: scale=10; ;/home/truelight/.eggdrop/dorpsgek; 20:43:31 <TrueLight> Hehe :) 20:43:32 <MaulingMonkey> !!! 20:43:39 <TrueLight> If you know what is happening 20:43:41 <TrueLight> you know what you can do :p 20:43:57 <glx> change password ? 20:44:14 <Bjarni> log in with ssh and start hacking other computers ? 20:44:25 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44:29 <MeusH> !calc "shutdown" 20:44:29 <grimrc1> anyone know which function writes 'Openttd' in a font, above the main menu? 20:44:41 <MeusH> !calc "; shutdown" 20:44:42 <MaulingMonkey> !calc "; echo `/etc/passwd`;echo " 20:44:44 <TrueLight> grimrc1: main_gui.c 20:44:51 <MaulingMonkey> !calc "; echo `cat /etc/passwd`;echo " 20:44:52 <Patrick`> !calc "kill -9 -1" 20:44:53 <grimrc1> cheers 20:45:09 <TrueLight> grimrc1: look for many commented out lines 20:45:12 <Patrick`> only truelight will be able to do shell expansion ... 20:45:13 <Tefad> !calc e ^ (i * pi) 20:45:20 <TrueLight> I disabled the script :p 20:45:24 <MaulingMonkey> lol 20:45:24 <Tefad> heh 20:45:26 <Patrick`> aww. 20:45:28 <grimrc1> oh yeah; drawsprites 20:45:31 <TrueLight> I am not _that_ stupid :) 20:45:36 <MaulingMonkey> Good good :) 20:45:51 <TrueLight> I need to think about this... 20:45:56 <Tefad> anyway who the hell keeps passwords in plaintext any more? 20:46:08 <Bjarni> grimrc1: what do you plan to do? Write "OpenTTD by grimrc1" or something? 20:46:19 <Bjarni> you know that will never be committed, right? 20:46:20 <TrueLight> Tefad: you can't even open such files of course :) 20:46:20 <MaulingMonkey> Tefad: They don't, but the MD5 hash can be used to (eventually) find a working password. 20:46:42 <TrueLight> bash: line 1: /etc/passwd: Permission denied <- was the error MaulingMonkey made 20:46:44 <grimrc1> Bjarni: no no! hehe; I plan to move the openttd sprites down to the centre of the screen when the main menu isn't shown, for screensaver/demo mode? 20:46:48 <MaulingMonkey> Typically they're stored in /etc/shadow or some such (man it's been awhile since I've used a linux bx) 20:46:53 <MaulingMonkey> *box 20:47:07 <Bjarni> grimrc1: ahh, good idea 20:47:09 <Patrick`> etc/shadow is afaik optional 20:47:18 <MaulingMonkey> Yes, and AFAIK typically enabled :) 20:47:18 <Patrick`> and readable only by certain programs 20:47:33 <Patrick`> eh, thel ast time I did a linux install with a choice was debian stable in 2001 20:47:37 <grimrc1> Bjarni: even better, would be to have openttd fade in for a moment, then fade out again, every 2 minutes or so; can I fade sprites in and out easily though? 20:48:07 <Bjarni> I don't think the engine can support that like it is now 20:48:30 <Bjarni> using 32 bit graphics might be able to do so, but not with 8 bit 20:48:34 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_AfK 20:48:49 <grimrc1> oh well; suppose it'll just have to be centred 20:49:11 <Tron> TrueLight: which script language is this written in? 20:49:28 <TrueLight> Tron: sadly enough, tcl 20:49:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host96-159.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 20:50:04 <TrueLight> so I have a hard time working with it :( 20:50:04 <Tron> you call system() or something like that? 20:50:09 <TrueLight> no, eval 20:50:12 <TrueLight> even; exec 20:50:19 <Wolf01> hi 20:50:24 <Tron> ok, that's broken by design 20:50:28 <TrueLight> bad I needed to call a bash-shall, because I needed ulimit 20:50:37 <TrueLight> bad that on his turn allowed breaking out :) 20:50:42 <TrueLight> Tron: suggestions? 20:50:50 <Tron> not without the source 20:51:04 <Tron> probably just a matter of quoting 20:51:07 <TrueLight> it pipes $arg to bc :) 20:51:21 <TrueLight> I am just searching if I can replace " with \" 20:51:36 <Tron> source 20:54:58 <Patrick`> neat 20:55:09 <Patrick`> if you tell kill to kill pid -1, it kills the current shell 20:55:36 <Tefad> probably just its spawning process 20:55:44 <Tefad> or rather parent 20:55:49 <Patrick`> well, more generally yes 20:56:32 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 20:56:58 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 20:57:03 <Tron> no, all processes belonging to you 20:57:35 <Patrick`> shut up, I almost had someone ... 20:58:52 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:04:00 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:22 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:16:01 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: it should be okay now, feel free to test :) 21:16:04 <TrueLight> !calc 1+! 21:16:04 <_42_> TrueLight: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 21:16:06 <TrueLight> !calc 1+1 21:16:08 <_42_> TrueLight: 2; 21:16:27 <Patrick`> have you fixed the shell exec? 21:16:31 <MaulingMonkey> !calc "; print "your mom"; " 21:16:31 <TrueLight> it should 21:16:31 <Patrick`> !calc "echo hi" 21:16:33 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 21:16:35 <_42_> Patrick`: echo hi 21:16:38 <Patrick`> huh. 21:16:44 <MaulingMonkey> !calc "; print \"your mom\"; " 21:16:46 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 21:17:03 <Patrick`> technically that's a ... injection vulnerability? 21:17:09 <Patrick`> !calc 'DATABASE DROP 21:17:11 <_42_> Patrick`: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 21:17:14 <Patrick`> (hehehe) 21:17:25 <Patrick`> ops, I also got that wrong. 21:17:26 <Patrick`> yay me. 21:17:55 <MaulingMonkey> !calc " + \"your mom\"; "; 21:17:56 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 21:18:15 <TrueLight> I wonder why it doesn't return any value 21:18:21 <MaulingMonkey> !calc exec("cat /etc/passwd") 21:18:22 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 21:18:35 * MaulingMonkey hmms 21:18:39 <glx> !calc "; `pwd`;" 21:18:40 <_42_> glx: ; `pwd`; 21:19:17 <MaulingMonkey> !calc '; echo `pwd`;' 21:19:18 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 21:19:33 <glx> !calc "; echo `pwd`;" 21:19:34 <_42_> glx: ; echo `pwd`; 21:19:52 <MaulingMonkey> !calc \"; echo `pwd`; \" 21:19:54 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: (standard_in) 2: illegal character: 21:20:01 <TrueLight> I now made it return the error from bc 21:20:14 <glx> !calc "; echo `pwd`; echo " 21:20:16 <_42_> glx: ; echo `pwd`; echo 21:20:22 <MaulingMonkey> !calc \'; echo `pwd`; \' 21:20:22 *** pavel [Pavel@93.176.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 21:20:24 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: (standard_in) 2: illegal character: (standard_in) 2: illegal character: ';(standard_in) 2: illegal character: `;(standard_in) 2: parse error;(standard_in) 2: illegal character: `;(standard_in) 2: illegal character: (standard_in) 2: illegal character: '; 21:20:26 <glx> nice, it's safe now 21:20:36 <TrueLight> it "looks" safe 21:20:59 <MaulingMonkey> Given all those illegal character messages, it dosn't look terribly safe to me, I just don't know how to exploit it :P 21:21:04 <Patrick`> ooh, you just made a bunch of illegal characters 21:21:18 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: BC returns that 21:21:19 <Patrick`> well, it's safe if he's forbidden processing of anything that might be used to break out of the sandbox 21:21:24 <pavel> hi 21:21:25 <pavel> :) 21:21:52 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: so everything goes in to bc, which is good 21:22:21 <MaulingMonkey> bc = ? 21:22:26 *** pavel [Pavel@93.176.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 21:22:30 <Patrick`> "desktop" calc for unix 21:22:34 <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: a calculator :) 21:22:35 <MaulingMonkey> Ahh. 21:22:44 <TrueLight> NAME 21:22:44 <TrueLight> bc - An arbitrary precision calculator language 21:22:58 <MaulingMonkey> Oh yes, I think I came across that man page once 21:23:45 <Bjarni> {P "" s} <-- any idea why I always reach the singular version of that one? 21:23:49 <Bjarni> I never get the s 21:24:15 <Bjarni> it looks silly to see the string contain "2 train" instead of "2 trains" ;) 21:24:55 <Patrick`> two TRAIN 21:25:01 <Patrick`> my train is BUILD 21:25:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D797.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:25:09 <Patrick`> we should have a "broken english" translation 21:25:12 <Patrick`> I'll do it 21:25:57 <Bjarni> hey, I'm trying to fix this 21:26:01 <Bjarni> and it is NOT in the trunk 21:26:03 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:26:11 <Bjarni> I notice such issues before I commit them 21:26:41 <Bjarni> nobody knows? 21:27:49 <TrueLight> t 21:27:52 *** JTanczos [~You@24.229.190.6.res-cmts.ovr.ptd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:56 <Bjarni> t? 21:28:03 <TrueLight> NX software can do weird stuff :p 21:28:09 <Kjetil> NoMachine ? 21:28:13 <TrueLight> yup 21:28:22 <Kjetil> Do tell 21:28:31 <TrueLight> ? 21:28:44 <grimrc1> Bjarni: what's broken? 21:28:48 <Kjetil> What wierd stuff can it do ? 21:28:57 <TrueLight> Oh, when I exit a Konsole 21:29:04 <TrueLight> it puts the 't' in the buffer of the NXclient 21:29:09 <TrueLight> oh, and an enter 21:29:12 <TrueLight> so you see t here 21:29:19 <TrueLight> while I just typed 'exit' 21:29:28 <MaulingMonkey> *weird 21:29:30 <Kjetil> wierd 21:29:33 <MaulingMonkey> *weird 21:29:38 <Kjetil> weird 21:29:46 <MaulingMonkey> Pet spelling peeve. I named it rob. 21:29:54 <MaulingMonkey> *Rob. 21:29:56 <Kjetil> Sound like a bug 21:29:59 <Patrick`> seriously, would anyone want "comic" translations like google do? 21:30:03 <TrueLight> possible... 21:30:04 <Patrick`> leet, elmer fudd, borkborkbork 21:30:12 <TrueLight> I don't care, you just see a 't' from me once in a while :) 21:30:18 <MaulingMonkey> Patrick`: I'd use them on occasion maybe :) 21:30:37 <Kjetil> TrueLight: Have you tried freeNX ? 21:30:38 <Patrick`> I'll get to work! 21:30:52 <TrueLight> Kjetil: in the past, sucked ass 21:30:58 <TrueLight> so very soon I dropped NX an email 21:31:02 <TrueLight> to gain a developer license 21:31:04 <TrueLight> I got it 21:31:05 <Kjetil> :) 21:31:07 <TrueLight> and now you have Free Desktop 21:31:10 <TrueLight> or what ever it is called 21:31:12 <TrueLight> works nicely 21:31:34 <Bjarni> <grimrc1> Bjarni: what's broken? <-- the patch I'm working on. The patch itself works, but the string is broken 21:31:46 <Kjetil> I was wondering if was going to install freeNX on this computer. But I guess I won't 21:32:05 <TrueLight> Kjetil: just install NoMachine his server 21:32:27 <TrueLight> their 21:32:29 <TrueLight> what ever 21:33:06 <Kjetil> *ponders how much a single user lisence will cost him* Better check 21:33:13 <TrueLight> 2 users is free 21:33:18 <TrueLight> what Free Desktop should suggest :) 21:33:21 <Kjetil> aha 21:33:22 <grimrc1> is WE_PAINT when the window first gets drawn, not when it gets dirty and redrawn? 21:33:29 <TrueLight> else I would not have suggested it :) 21:33:37 <TrueLight> grimrc1: both 21:33:43 *** _WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: YES I'M SURE!] 21:33:51 <Kjetil> The last time I ran NX it was just a 30 day free trail 21:33:54 *** e1ko_AfK [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.4/2006072904]] 21:33:59 <TrueLight> they changed it 2 months ago 21:34:06 <Kjetil> nice 21:34:10 <TrueLight> yup 21:34:11 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:34:13 <TrueLight> really nice 21:34:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host96-159.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has quit [Quit: e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro] 21:34:26 <grimrc1> oh that makes things complicated; I want to draw the openttd sprites without WC_MAIN_WINDOW 21:34:47 <TrueLight> --spelling=<str> no longer used 21:34:50 <TrueLight> THEN WHY ADD IT?! 21:35:13 <Patrick`> people do crazy things when they're in love 21:35:34 <grimrc1> openttd sprite is drawn every time WE_PAINT is triggered for the menu window 21:37:09 <Kjetil> TrueLight: was is NXNode ? 21:37:15 *** Hawk-N [~hawknet@host-81-191-198-51.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 21:37:22 <TrueLight> Kjetil: some software of their.. you need it for the server 21:37:23 <grimrc1> so if the mouse cursor goes over the openttd lettering sprites, they go dirty and get redrawn? 21:37:32 <Hawk-N> hey fellow pda/pocket pc users :) 21:37:52 <TrueLight> grimrc1: in fact, mouse movement doesn't 21:38:05 <Kjetil> TrueLight: ok. Perhaps some loadbalancing code or souch *me guesses* 21:38:09 <Hawk-N> ....anyone here who knows how I can get openttd to work with my Axim X51v ? 21:38:14 <grimrc1> just window movement? do sprites ever go dirty themselves? 21:38:19 <Bjarni> Hawk-N: I'm not sure that we got that many PDA users in here 21:38:30 <Hawk-N> Bjarni: ohh... ok :P 21:38:39 <TrueLight> grimrc1: it also gets dirty when a train runs under it 21:38:48 <Bjarni> Hawk-N: Axim X51v <-- never heard that before 21:38:56 <Hawk-N> ok, my fault 21:38:59 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 21:39:05 <grimrc1> ohh 21:40:12 <Hawk-N> well.... maybe someone knows what might be the reason when ttd just flashes and goes back to the desktop when trying to run it ? 21:40:35 *** veeroo [~veeroo@xdsl-5646.lubin.dialog.net.pl] has joined #openttd 21:40:41 <veeroo> Hello 21:41:25 <TrueLight> Hawk-N: you are talking about the PPC OpenTTD version? 21:41:33 <Hawk-N> yeah :) 21:41:40 *** JonRox [~NoLamerZ@host21-139.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 21:41:45 <TrueLight> Hawk-N: that isn't part of the official OpenTTD distribution 21:41:51 <TrueLight> and supported by a 3rd party 21:41:51 <Hawk-N> ohhhh 21:41:54 <Bjarni> JonRox: turn off your script or be kicked again 21:41:56 <TrueLight> so you might want to browse their forum 21:42:20 <veeroo> who wants to play? 21:42:27 <JonRox> whats? 21:42:31 <TrueLight> veeroo: around 50 servers want that 21:42:32 <Hawk-N> yeah... seems like I got sidetracked :p 21:42:41 <TrueLight> JonRox: you have a script that starts talking if someone gets kicked.. we don't like that 21:42:48 <TrueLight> Hawk-N: happens to all of us :) 21:42:49 <veeroo> but im looking somebody to play in minin 21:42:54 <Hawk-N> lol 21:42:59 <veeroo> and theres only one server :P 21:43:07 <TrueLight> one is enoguh to play, not? 21:43:15 <JonRox> ha ok, i change it 21:43:15 <veeroo> in 6038 21:43:21 <JonRox> sorry 21:43:23 <veeroo> its full :P 21:43:30 <veeroo> 6068* 21:43:45 <TrueLight> JonRox: really, no problem, I just kick you every time it says something :) 21:44:04 <Bjarni> hahaha, now I found the reason why it failed to go into plural. I only tried on train 1 and it takes the unitnumber to test if it should be singular or plural.... now how to fix that 21:44:19 <TrueLight> Bjarni: lol 21:44:39 <TrueLight> !spell acomplished 21:44:41 <_42_> TrueLight: & acomplished 6 0: accomplished, accomplishes, accomplisher, accomplishers, accomplish, unaccomplished 21:44:44 <TrueLight> so no more faulty english here ;) 21:44:51 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@aru-grupp-gw.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 21:44:53 <Bjarni> nice 21:44:57 <Bjarni> !spell bug 21:44:58 <_42_> Bjarni: * 21:45:10 <Bjarni> that went well :p 21:45:16 <TrueLight> * means okay btw 21:45:19 <TrueLight> hmm.. going to make that pretty 21:45:23 <Bjarni> ahh 21:45:35 <Bjarni> !spell bugg 21:45:37 <_42_> Bjarni: & bugg 11 0: buggy, bug, Burg, burg, bugs, bung, big, Brigg, bough, burgh, buff 21:45:46 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:49 <TrueLight> oops :) 21:46:07 *** JonRox [~NoLamerZ@host21-139.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has quit [] 21:46:22 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 21:46:26 <TrueLight> stupid script 21:46:28 <TrueLight> !spell bug 21:46:36 <Bjarni> so {P "" s} is hardcoded to take param 1 or something? 21:47:11 <_42_> TrueLight: 'bug' is correctly spelled 21:47:14 <veeroo> i have a question 21:47:20 <Bjarni> nice, but a bit slow 21:47:24 <TrueLight> Bjarni: it was booting 21:47:25 <veeroo> why theres no PBS in OTTD? 21:47:31 <TrueLight> !spell is this spelled correctly 21:47:33 <_42_> TrueLight: 'is this spelled correctly' is correctly spelled 21:47:36 <TrueLight> :) 21:47:40 <Bjarni> veeroo: it was buggy and it crashed trains 21:47:43 <TrueLight> !spell is this spelled corectly 21:47:45 <_42_> TrueLight: & corectly 10 16: correctly, directly, erectly, correct, corruptly, corrects, correcter, corrector, corrected, currently 21:47:54 <veeroo> i have never had any problems with that 21:47:57 <Bjarni> veeroo: now the plan is to start all over with a new design 21:48:03 <TrueLight> veeroo: but you are not the only user :) 21:48:06 <veeroo> with YAPF? 21:48:10 <Bjarni> yes 21:48:32 <veeroo> TrueLight: yes i know but i use it very often 21:48:55 <veeroo> there are some problems then there are too many vehicles on the single line 21:49:16 <veeroo> and when train are waiting on the crossing 21:49:27 <veeroo> but on the single crossing its cool 21:50:00 <veeroo> then u dont need to use bridges or tunnels 21:50:19 <TrueLight> veeroo: it was kind of broken by design 21:50:25 <TrueLight> so those 'small' bugs weren't solvable 21:50:34 <TrueLight> you can't have a feature of which a long list of restrictions comes ;) 21:50:39 <TrueLight> so yeah, PBS is good 21:50:45 <Patrick`> !spell antidisestablishmentarianism 21:50:47 <_42_> Patrick`: 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is correctly spelled 21:50:48 <TrueLight> so I say: come and help us making it :) 21:50:54 <TrueLight> concratz Patrick` :) 21:50:56 <Patrick`> booyah, that was from memory 21:51:12 <veeroo> :) hmm i can program only in delphi :) 21:51:17 <Patrick`> learn 21:51:22 <veeroo> i dont know c very well 21:51:26 <TrueLight> now I need to find a good english dictonary 21:51:34 <Patrick`> I used "I can only program in python" as a crutch for years 21:51:35 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@80-235-121-66-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:40 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 21:51:41 <Patrick`> C takes like a week to learn 21:51:48 <Patrick`> get a copy of K&R second edition 21:51:53 <Patrick`> it'll be old but that's irrelevant 21:51:55 <veeroo> yes but u have to got a week :P 21:52:03 <veeroo> i have some egzamines in oct so i cant now 21:52:32 <veeroo> Patrick: do u work on PBS? 21:52:47 <veeroo> exactly the new design of PBS in YAPF? 21:53:26 <Patrick`> no. 21:53:29 <Patrick`> no I do not. 21:53:55 <Bjarni> KUDr is the YAPF/PBS guy 21:54:05 <Bjarni> he is out travelling right now... or something 21:54:10 <veeroo> ok 21:54:22 <veeroo> but i dont know how can i help exactly 21:54:56 <Bjarni> you can get an idea for a patch and then write it 21:54:59 <veeroo> the only think i can do i think is to write a new algorithm :) 21:55:02 *** sussox [~johans@c-fd60e155.1046-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:55:12 <grimrc1> the DrawSprites function (for openttd banner) is called in MainWindowWndProc(), when WE_PAINT is received, but the DrawSprite function doesn't seem to register the sprites with MainWindowWndProc() or the WE_PAINT event, so I'm wondering do sprites get dirty like ordinary windows or are they pretty safe? 21:55:23 <sussox> how can i build steelmills/ironore-mines in the artic climate? 21:55:31 <TrueLight> Goodnight all! 21:55:37 <grimrc1> gn 21:55:37 <MeusH> TrueLight, goodnight 21:55:38 <Patrick`> you can't. 21:55:39 <veeroo> gn 21:55:41 <MeusH> sussox, you can't 21:55:42 <Patrick`> nothing uses steel anyway 21:55:54 <Patrick`> use the cheat menu to change the climate 21:56:17 <sussox> but its impossible in the scenario-editor, or i can cheat there aswell? 21:57:26 <Patrick`> ah 21:57:28 <Patrick`> good point 21:57:30 <Patrick`> and, I don't know 21:57:46 <sussox> ok 21:58:08 <grimrc1> oh actually I think I've misunderstood MainWindowWndProc() 21:58:10 <veeroo> ok source code downloaded :D 21:58:26 <veeroo> gonna think about a new algorithm ;) <lol> 21:59:05 *** veeroo [~veeroo@xdsl-5646.lubin.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:20 *** veeroo [~veeroo@xdsl-5646.lubin.dialog.net.pl] has joined #openttd 21:59:21 <sussox> btw, what changes when i enable realistic catchment areas? do they get much bigger? 21:59:37 <Patrick`> airports are 5 tiles and bus stations are 3 21:59:41 <Patrick`> trains are still 4 21:59:46 <Patrick`> I think docks change as well 22:00:00 <sussox> trains should have larger catchment yes 22:00:03 <glx> grimrc1: it handles events for MainWindowWnd 22:00:09 <Patrick`> eh, it's fine as it is 22:00:17 <Patrick`> 5 tiles would unbalance the game 22:00:22 <grimrc1> I mistakenly thought Main Window = Main Menu - doh 22:00:34 <Patrick`> enough of the new feature explosion has unbalanced the game anyway 22:00:35 <grimrc1> veeroo: there's loads of good C tutorials on the net 22:00:38 <Patrick`> cough bigmaps cough 22:00:48 <Patrick`> I tried for years to learn from net tutorials 22:00:57 <sussox> Patrick`: if 1 tile covers an industri is that equal to say 4 tiles, or do i get better rating with more tiles? 22:01:02 <Patrick`> just grab a copy of K&R from a library or a mate or amazon second hand for like 8 dollars 22:01:09 <veeroo> grimrc1: i know that 22:01:11 <Patrick`> or 6 euros or 4 quid 22:01:15 <Patrick`> whatever your poison 22:01:25 <veeroo> i have some experience in programming ;p 22:01:34 <veeroo> but not in C 22:01:39 <Patrick`> sussox: as long as the catchment area intersects the industry 22:01:56 <grimrc1> veeroo: means you can race through a good C guide 22:01:57 <Patrick`> for delivery, make sure it says "accepts" when you build it, as certain industry tiles accept certain things 22:02:10 <Patrick`> but all industry tiles produce and the amount is irrelevant 22:02:21 <grimrc1> veeroo: or use it as reference 22:02:30 <Patrick`> I came from an experienced python background, K&R sorted me right out 22:02:31 <veeroo> grimrc1: i need only vovabulary ;] 22:02:37 <veeroo> vocabulary* 22:02:42 <Patrick`> veeroo: dangerous attitude 22:02:52 <Patrick`> C permits a vast amount of unsafe practices 22:03:08 <Patrick`> whatever exist in your chosen language,I guarantee C has more 22:03:19 <veeroo> well i think i can write u a new algorithm 22:03:21 <sussox> what if i have a station in the city, does it get more passengers if more houses are covered with tiles? 22:03:24 <grimrc1> yeah, and it is good to learn 'good' C; it's more powerful than many languages 22:03:24 <veeroo> in pascal :] 22:03:29 <veeroo> or delphi 22:03:36 <veeroo> i have no exp in c 22:04:11 <veeroo> Patrick`: theres a very very old war between c and op users ;] 22:04:30 <veeroo> but never mind 22:04:40 *** Guest56 [Gono@N933P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:04:43 <grimrc1> veeroo: if you just want to design an algorithm, you could do that and put it on the wiki/bugs list, but it won't be guarenteed to get implemented that way 22:04:56 <grimrc1> guaranteed I mean 22:04:57 <veeroo> i know 22:05:46 <veeroo> but first i need to learn ottd alg ;] 22:05:52 <veeroo> never seen it 22:07:05 <veeroo> what compiler do u use to compile ottd code in win32? 22:07:23 <Bjarni> gcc in mingw or MS vs 22:07:29 <veeroo> ok 22:07:38 <Bjarni> the first is free while the latter is not 22:08:02 <veeroo> i know 22:08:07 <veeroo> but i dont like ms soft :) 22:08:18 <Bjarni> and you use windows? 22:08:23 <veeroo> i do everythink to use another soft 22:08:24 <veeroo> :) 22:08:36 <veeroo> i have linux but not on this comp 22:09:46 <veeroo> i use windows cause there are some programs only for win i have to use on my university 22:09:47 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N919P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:00 <Bjarni> ahh 22:10:11 <veeroo> and tahts why i programm in win 22:10:17 <veeroo> thats* 22:10:19 <Bjarni> I use Sun Solaris at uni when I'm able to do so 22:10:31 <veeroo> mhm 22:10:47 <Patrick`> I think MSVC++ express (the free one) can make ottd 22:11:08 <veeroo> i will use gcc 22:11:51 <grimrc1> veeroo: tried wine? 22:12:02 <veeroo> yeah but few years ago ;d 22:12:11 *** sussox [~johans@c-fd60e155.1046-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:12:15 <Patrick`> it's much better now 22:12:32 <grimrc1> yeah it really is racing along; plus there are virtual machine progs too 22:12:35 <veeroo> i will try it when i came to cracow where i study 22:12:47 <veeroo> now im in home :) 22:12:54 <grimrc1> is that the Polish spelling? 22:13:01 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 22:13:03 <veeroo> cracow? 22:13:05 <grimrc1> yeah 22:13:07 <MeusH> Kraków 22:13:09 <veeroo> polish spelling is Kraków 22:13:10 <Patrick`> here's how good wine is: most directx9 games install and run 22:13:11 <veeroo> :) 22:13:11 <Patrick`> ish. 22:13:27 <grimrc1> Patrick`: with Windows DLLs right? 22:13:33 <Patrick`> nope. 22:13:42 <Bjarni> hmm 22:13:44 <grimrc1> Patrick`: without Windows installed!? 22:13:48 <Patrick`> I don't use winehelper, screw that 22:13:49 <Bjarni> sounds interesting 22:13:50 <Patrick`> yep, vanilla wine 22:13:58 <Patrick`> runs counterstrike source and all that crap 22:14:02 <grimrc1> Patrick`: holy MofG! 22:14:04 <Patrick`> checp appdb.winehq.com 22:14:18 <Patrick`> it's a databsae of what games run where and what hacks you need (or not) 22:14:29 <Patrick`> I spelled it right 22:15:13 <grimrc1> I always found it hard to find out if programs run under vanilla wine or not; I'd only need wine for (few) games 22:15:18 <Patrick`> yeah 22:15:26 <Patrick`> appdb is a bit inaccurate 22:15:28 <Patrick`> it's worth trying 22:15:41 <Patrick`> but basically everything I've tried has worked apart from dungeon keeper 1 22:16:12 <grimrc1> oh - that's a good game; shame there's no open source version of that yet 22:16:21 <Bjarni> I failed to run dungeon keeper 1 under XP, so... 22:16:29 <Bjarni> later I tried and it just magically worked 22:16:34 <Bjarni> *tried again 22:16:46 <MeusH> goodnight 22:16:49 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 22:18:08 <Patrick`> yeah 22:18:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@82.111.136.34] has joined #openttd 22:18:16 <Patrick`> for older games, wine is better than windpwx xp 22:18:20 <Patrick`> got damn spelling 22:18:33 <Brianetta> WiFi in my hotel room! 22:18:35 <Brianetta> Oh yeah 22:19:01 <grimrc1> pay for it? 22:19:08 <Brianetta> Oh yeah 22:19:11 <grimrc1> heh 22:19:20 <Patrick`> there are ways around that 22:19:21 <Brianetta> Actually, it was charged to the room 22:19:24 <Patrick`> which are technicalyl legal 22:19:26 <Brianetta> which we paid for in advance... 22:19:32 <grimrc1> Patrick`: cracking WEP? 22:19:37 <Patrick`> buty I won't tell you about it because if it gets popular they'll stop it 22:19:37 <Brianetta> It isn't encrypted 22:19:39 <grimrc1> Brianetta: hah 22:19:42 <Patrick`> I said technically legal, you ass 22:20:13 <grimrc1> oh like MAC cloning? 22:20:23 <Patrick`> no. 22:20:40 <Patrick`> ah, if it mac-locks and doesn't let you connect, you're studffed 22:20:53 <Brianetta> I think using unauthorised sites on the hotel WiFI might count as theft of service when it comes to court 22:20:56 <Patrick`> I'm thikning about thwese pay points where you connect and can only get to a page where you pay 22:21:08 <grimrc1> Patrick`: oh they're poorly locked down? 22:21:10 <Patrick`> but some of them leak packets 22:21:14 <Brianetta> Patrick`: Not technically legal to circumvent that 22:21:26 <Brianetta> Still technically theft of service 22:21:28 <Patrick`> no, they just let certain types of traffic onto the internet 22:21:34 <Patrick`> dns requests, specifically 22:21:36 <grimrc1> can't really tell if anything's technical legal till it's been argued in court 22:21:40 <Patrick`> and you can tunnel IP over DNS 22:22:01 *** Netsplit oxygen.oftc.net <-> strange.oftc.net quits: pv2b, GoneWacko 22:22:01 <grimrc1> heh cool 22:22:10 <Patrick`> absurbdly cool. 22:23:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> didn't you just say you wouldn't tell? 22:23:14 <grimrc1> wow that is amazing 22:23:19 <Patrick`> yeah, 22:23:31 <Patrick`> I've said sufficiently little that only someone with enough initiative to deserve it could do it 22:23:50 <grimrc1> Patrick`: presumably Linux kernel has that kind of stuff or patches for it 22:23:57 <Patrick`> not sayin' 22:24:16 <grimrc1> Patrick`: do you think there are other services like that? 22:24:49 <Patrick`> mumblemumble 22:24:53 <grimrc1> heh 22:25:28 <Bjarni> I just looked at DarWine (Wine for OSX) and I saw this in the changelog: 22:25:29 <Bjarni> Faster drawing of the cards in Solitaire (very important feature). 22:25:31 <Bjarni> :D 22:25:38 <Patrick`> hahaha 22:25:39 <Patrick`> yeah 22:25:41 <Patrick`> awesome 22:25:45 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:25:45 *** pv2b [~pvz@c80-216-45-134.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #openttd 22:26:00 <grimrc1> that's their own solitaire of course 22:26:00 *** pv2b [~pvz@c80-216-45-134.cm-upc.chello.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:08 *** pv2b [~pvz@c80-216-45-134.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #openttd 22:26:13 <Bjarni> they haven't updated it in a while 22:26:28 <Patrick`> yeah, it looks a bit dead-ey 22:26:52 <Bjarni> I'm not sure they ported it to x86 OSX in a working state yet 22:27:00 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:27:05 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5715.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:29 <grimrc1> remote x is a better option for me 22:28:57 <grimrc1> does openttd have timing functions/facilities? I want to make the openttd banner disappear and reappear 22:29:37 <Brianetta> Oooh cool 22:29:42 <grimrc1> if not, I just use standard functions I suppose 22:29:47 <Patrick`> Pfft, yes 22:29:48 <Brianetta> Got Helen's iBook onto the bet with the same account 22:29:58 <Brianetta> Two for one on hotel room laptop access! (: 22:30:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> grimrc1: there's game ticks, and days... 22:30:41 <Bjarni> Please remember also that Wine on Mac OS X/Intel is not functional. It has some serious limitations compared to Wine on Linux. CodeWeavers is currently working on fixing this. <--- hurry up!!!! 22:31:00 <Bjarni> no updates since April 22:31:20 <Brianetta> What doo you need Wine for? 22:31:54 <Brianetta> Pretty much all of the free software available for Windows has a Unix version 22:32:11 <Bjarni> I want to try it :) 22:32:45 <ln-> Brianetta: Bjarni wants to run OpenTTD. 22:33:33 <CIA-2> richk * r6133 /branches/MiniIN/ (copy_paste_gui.c window.c): 22:33:33 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [CopyPaste]: Updated copy_paste_gui.c to use gui voted for in forum. Added section to Toolbarfix to cope with Copy Paste, and Build Trees. 22:33:33 <CIA-2> Many thanks to Frostregen for MiniIN copy paste patch. 22:34:09 <Brianetta> ln-: erm... 22:34:10 <Patrick`> jesus ... copy/paste rails? 22:34:16 <Patrick`> helloooooo prefab junction whores 22:34:28 <Bjarni> ahh, they made a new wiki that actually updates :) 22:34:41 <Brianetta> Patrick`: Try not to poke fun at the MiniIN users.... 22:34:43 <Bjarni> I just found a line, that have to had been edited within the last two weeks 22:35:12 <lws1984> Patrick`: it's quite useful 22:35:16 <Patrick`> Brianetta: people just slapping down prefab junctions just pisses me off 22:35:17 <Bjarni> <ln-> Brianetta: Bjarni wants to run OpenTTD. <-- I do that natively, but you just gave me an idea. I can use it to try the patch again 22:35:21 <Patrick`> lws1984: yeah, I can see 22:35:31 <Patrick`> pickup stations with fiddly entrance bits 22:35:33 <Patrick`> and so on 22:35:44 <Patrick`> but ... junctions should be unique and organic and with no wasted track 22:35:57 <grimrc1> my firefox 2.0b is really slow; do they still enable debug by default (that's gotten me once before) 22:36:04 <Patrick`> a 4-way junction being used as a T wastes 50% of the track, rooooughly 22:36:07 <Patrick`> maybe 25% 22:36:08 <ln-> couldn't we simply drop other ports and run OTTD on wine/cedega on non-Windows platforms? 22:36:09 <Patrick`> but it's a lot. 22:37:11 <Bjarni> ln-: no 22:37:23 <Bjarni> I want a solution that works out of the box 22:37:55 <Patrick`> I want the moon. 22:37:57 <Patrick`> on a stick. 22:38:00 <Bjarni> and running x86 binaries on non x86 hardware is a really bad idea 22:38:00 <grimrc1> ln-: !?!? openttd's SDL anyway? 22:38:09 <CIA-2> richk * r6134 /branches/MiniIN/ (aircraft_gui.c roadveh_gui.c ship_gui.c train_gui.c): 22:38:09 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [GRFCargoSubtypes]: Minor fixes post-sync with trunk. 22:38:09 <CIA-2> Many thanks to mart3p for MiniIN patch. 22:38:28 <ln-> it's surprisingly easy to troll people. :) 22:38:32 <Bjarni> grimrc1: don't try to understand it. ln- is likely drunk or something 22:38:40 <grimrc1> ln-: yeah I was too polite to ask 22:39:25 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:39:30 * Bjarni just got an idea 22:39:37 <Bjarni> I will port Wine to windows 22:39:53 <Brianetta> Patrick`: Prefab junctions seem alittl epathetic to me, too. 22:39:58 <Bjarni> and then run windows wine in DarWine 22:40:13 <Brianetta> Rest assured, such abomination would be disabled in any server I ran 22:40:46 <ln-> grimrc1: btw, OpenTTD doesn't even take advantage of SDL too well. 22:41:01 <grimrc1> ln-: ? how could it do better? 22:41:09 <Bjarni> yeah, how? 22:41:24 <Bjarni> don't keep such secrets from us 22:43:33 <ln-> well, for example, SDL has an event-based system for dispatching events. however, (unless it has been recently rewritten), OTTD fucks up the system by setting some global variables when events come. and nothing guarantees anyone notices the change of that global variable before it's set back to zero. 22:44:15 <grimrc1> ln-: like race conditions? 22:44:50 <glx> ln-: not all ports use SDL 22:45:15 <ln-> this means, OTTD may lose (and does lose, in practice) your mouse clicks, although SDL delivered everything fine. i haven't noticed this lately, but others say it still exist, and i haven't played much myself. 22:45:32 <ln-> glx: i know. in fact, most major ports don't. 22:45:57 <Bjarni> windows and OSX don't 22:46:03 <Bjarni> the rest uses SDL, right? 22:46:13 <ln-> of the rest, only linux is major 22:46:17 <Frostregen> hmm, copy&paste is completely clientside 22:46:20 <Bjarni> except dedicated servers, but let's forget about those right now ;) 22:47:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-233-31.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:47:54 <ln-> grimrc1: OTTD sets some variables, and wishes some other loop maybe happens to notice a non-zero value before a button up event resets the variable back to zero... ok, some work has been done to fix this. 22:48:45 <grimrc1> ln-: oh well; nobody's going to move Linux version away from SDL are they? 22:49:35 <ln-> grimrc1: i don't know if there really are proper alternatives for SDL. 22:49:35 <Sacro> to what? 22:49:45 <grimrc1> native X if that's possible hehe 22:49:46 <Sacro> ln-: gtk, qt, wxwidgets 22:49:50 <grimrc1> framebuffer 22:49:51 <ln-> and SDL is not the problem, the way OTTD handles its events is. 22:49:53 <grimrc1> oh yeah gtk 22:50:00 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E755.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:50:25 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:50:47 <Bjarni> ln-: since you know what the issue is, you can write a fix, right? 22:51:14 <grimrc1> aalib; openttd can be run with this (some SDL variable), but the text resolution is too low to see anything - don't know if this can be fixed 22:52:01 <grimrc1> I mean, aalib SDL not looking good has got to be a release-blocker 22:52:23 <Sacro> how do you run with AAlib? 22:52:59 <ln-> Bjarni: i think it was patched at some point so that it's at least not as annoying as earlier... but fixing it properly would require rewriting a lot of code... changing the way how all key/mouse events are handled. 22:53:22 <grimrc1> here: http://www.libsdl.org/faq.php?action=listentries&category=9 22:53:32 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: DINNER! oh and by the way, I drop JTanczos on wallyweb!] 22:54:31 <grimrc1> probably some aa cfg somewhere to get colour working, and much higher text resolution 22:54:45 <grimrc1> or maybe that's an SDL config 22:55:08 <Bjarni> ln-: ok, sounds like a huge change 22:55:10 <Triffid_Hunter> grimrc1: libcaca provides colour ascii afaik 22:55:28 <Sacro> no, for colour you need errm... 22:55:35 * Sacro scratches his head 22:55:40 <Sacro> Triffid_Hunter: thats the one!!! 22:56:11 <grimrc1> oh, well there's no SDL_VIDEODRIVER option for that; must have to reconfigure SDL 22:56:17 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:20 <Sacro> how do you list them? 22:56:31 <grimrc1> that link I posted has a list 22:56:43 <grimrc1> oh it does say "partial list" 23:12:11 * Sacro thinks OTTD needs more railtypes, light transit + cantenary (trams), light transit+3rd/4th rail (undergrounds) 23:13:29 <Brianetta> There's a telly in this hotel room 23:13:40 <Brianetta> It's reinforcing my decision not to own a TV set 23:14:33 <Sacro> hehe 23:14:38 <Sacro> saves you 100 or so a year 23:14:59 <Frostregen> and more importantly, much wasted time 23:15:18 <Brianetta> There was a band just on, live 23:15:21 <Brianetta> "Babychambles" 23:15:36 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 23:15:42 <Brianetta> If I were in that band I'd have died of embarrassment to know that the performance was on air 23:15:50 <Brianetta> They couldn't even sing 23:15:51 <Brianetta> or play 23:16:01 <grimrc1> heh Pete Docherty - did he look a drug-addled mess as usual? 23:16:09 <Brianetta> Who? 23:16:13 <grimrc1> lead singer 23:16:17 <Sacro> babyshambles :P 23:16:19 <Brianetta> There was a lead? 23:16:22 <grimrc1> heh 23:16:26 <Brianetta> There was a dodgy rapper and some drunk students 23:16:30 <Sacro> thats them 23:16:34 <grimrc1> hasn't he got a drug case coming up? 23:16:44 <Brianetta> You mean this band is successful? 23:16:46 <grimrc1> maybe it's already been 23:16:51 <Brianetta> I just assumed ome of their dads was th eproducer 23:16:56 <grimrc1> Brianetta: Pete Docherty is I suppose 23:17:15 <Brianetta> The program#s called Transmission, I think 23:17:19 <Sacro> yeah, they are quite good 23:17:20 <grimrc1> Brianetta: what TV channels do you get? 23:17:21 <Sacro> i like them 23:17:21 <Brianetta> not sure which channel 23:17:26 <Brianetta> grimrc1: No idea 23:17:32 <Brianetta> Helen had the remote 23:17:37 <Sacro> ooh, ie7rc1 23:17:54 <Brianetta> It's a hotel TV set 23:18:07 <Sacro> "The browser also promises enhancements to support web standards (such as HTML 4.01/CSS 2)" 23:18:15 <Sacro> it'd be nice if they'd DONE that, and where working on XHTML 1.1 and CSS 3 23:18:40 <grimrc1> time_t time(time_t *t) is a weird function; stores in optional pointer and also returns the value?? 23:22:49 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B35756.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:23:58 <Naksu> Sacro: indeed, because css3 contains so many useful features! 23:24:00 <Sacro> income lws1984 23:24:04 <Sacro> Naksu: that it does 23:24:12 <Sacro> it'd be nice to just have a working box model 23:24:36 <veeroo> good night guys 23:25:09 <Naksu> i cant count the number of times i've had a HSL value for a color without a hsl->rgb convertor in sight! 23:25:17 <Sacro> night ver 23:25:22 <Sacro> *veeroo 23:25:31 <Sacro> Naksu: heh 23:25:37 *** veeroo [~veeroo@xdsl-5646.lubin.dialog.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 23:26:17 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:27:12 <Naksu> stuff like css3 opacity is never going to work in ie 23:27:57 <Sacro> i know, i wish that Vista wouldnt come with it 23:29:18 <Naksu> the thing is, i dont see a need for css3 yet 23:29:27 <grimrc1> does if(w = FindWindowById(WC_SELECT_GAME, 0)) work as I want, testing w *after* assigning the return value to it? 23:29:51 *** sayno [~sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:30:05 <Naksu> they should wait until css3 has some "must-have" features 23:30:17 <Naksu> at which point even microsoft could implement it 23:30:39 <grimrc1> Naksu: they wouldn't fully implement anyway 23:31:48 <grimrc1> is if(w = function(blah)) the same as if(function(blah)) ? 23:32:09 <Naksu> maybe they'll rewrite ie at some point 23:32:29 <Naksu> seems like they have a lot of architectural crap preventing actual change happening 23:32:44 <grimrc1> Naksu: I'm surprised; why wouldn't they do that in IE7? 23:32:57 <Naksu> not enough time? 23:33:26 <Sacro> RRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLL :D WGA WORKS ON LINUX 23:33:30 <Naksu> one thing they got right was dropping the netscape plugin interface 23:33:36 <grimrc1> maybe, but it sounds silly to say Microsoft doesn't have enough time to do something 23:34:09 <Naksu> grimrc1: just because they have infinite money doesnt mean they can do infinite work at any given time 23:34:30 <grimrc1> Naksu: yeah but it's not infinite work 23:35:46 <Naksu> yeah, but still 23:35:53 <grimrc1> aren't they just willfully/negligently leaving parts of the web standards out - that's the impression I always got 23:36:08 <Naksu> it's not feasible to put a billion dollars into getting a new browser if it wont at least get them the billion dollars back 23:36:42 <grimrc1> actually, doesn't Microsoft nearly dictate some web standards 23:36:47 <Naksu> i need sleep 23:36:48 <grimrc1> gn 23:36:52 <Naksu> grimrc1: they used to 23:37:24 <Naksu> they still have a lot of people over at w3c but they mostly do documentation and proofreading i think 23:37:28 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 23:38:09 <grimrc1> oh interesting 23:39:02 <Naksu> -> sleep 23:41:29 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 23:43:42 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-233-31.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:43:59 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-233-31.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:45:33 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:45:45 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 23:45:45 <roboboy> hello 23:45:56 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:46:02 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 23:46:23 <grimrc1> hello 23:46:52 <roboboy> do any of you use ubuntu 23:49:39 <Sacro> have done 23:50:36 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 23:51:03 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:51:58 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 23:52:39 <JohnUK89> Ello :) 23:53:14 <roboboy> hello 23:53:25 <JohnUK89> roboboy: ello :) 23:54:21 * JohnUK89 hits partition magic 23:55:00 <Sacro> oh noes 23:55:33 <JohnUK89> Sacro: it left me machine completely unbootable...had to reinstall Ubuntu :-\ 23:55:47 <Sacro> :o 23:56:26 <JohnUK89> I tried reinstalling just GRUB but it wouldn't even install it to a floppy :-\ 23:57:16 <grimrc1> the MainWindowWndProc() function, on WE_PAINT, drawsprite()s the letters of the openttd banner; if I disable the drawsprite()s (based on time), the old letter sprites are still there until that area of the screen is marked dirty - how should I mark it dirty? MarkWholeScreenDirty()? a 2nd DrawWindowViewport(w)? 23:58:16 <grimrc1> JohnUK89: grub should have worked 23:58:43 <grimrc1> JohnUK89: you can make a boot disk or CD-ROM that'll let you boot your hard disk partitions 23:58:51 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: it didn't, I think the whole partition Linux was installed on was corrupted... 23:59:33 <roboboy> i have linux on its own disk 23:59:50 <JohnUK89> roboboy: I don't have that luxury lol 23:59:51 <Sacro> me too 23:59:52 <roboboy> ive only been using it for a week 23:59:58 <JohnUK89> Only 1 HDD connected to this PC 23:59:58 <Sacro> JohnUK89: yes you do, dont install windows