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00:00:32 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACBD209A.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:08:02 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 00:08:41 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:08:58 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:11:16 *** eper [eperdeme@eper.net] has quit [] 00:15:49 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org] 00:17:15 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc126.host2.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:25:43 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc44.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 00:37:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-200-118.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:50:11 <mikk36> damn 00:50:17 <mikk36> global silence :/ 00:51:59 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:53:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah. we call that "night" 00:59:00 *** Sithik [~sithik@pool-71-161-240-207.sctnpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:59:02 <Sithik> hey all 00:59:17 <Sithik> i was wondering, is there a bug with openttd which makes the game lag like a b*tch around 1966? 00:59:34 <Sithik> seems everytime i hit 1966 i lag hardcore until i exit the game 01:00:36 <glx> version, pathfinder, number of vehicles please 01:00:47 <Sithik> 4.8 01:00:52 <Sithik> default pathfinding? 01:01:00 <Sithik> and just 1 railroad, with 1 engine, 2 cars 01:01:20 <glx> no AIs? 01:01:24 <Sithik> nope 01:01:36 <Sithik> i turned them off thinking (i read) it might be them 01:01:49 <Sithik> i was thinking it might be one of the pathfinders? 01:01:54 <Sithik> how would i use YAPF? 01:02:47 <glx> it's not in 0.4.8, you should have only NPF and NTP 01:03:01 <Sithik> well i dont know what im using 01:03:06 <Sithik> im using a stock openttd 01:03:08 <Sithik> no customizations 01:03:42 <glx> open patches config and look at vehicle tab 01:04:08 <Sithik> ? 01:04:33 <Sithik> its green for "use yapf for trains/roadvehs" 01:04:45 <Sithik> red for "new global pathfinding (NPF" 01:04:53 <glx> so you are using yapf 01:04:59 <Sithik> and "use YAPF for ships" is red as well 01:05:20 <Sithik> forbid trains from making 90 degree turns is also green 01:05:24 <Sithik> yet it says it requires NPF? 01:05:36 <glx> yapf uses it too 01:05:48 <Sithik> k 01:05:56 <Sithik> i guess i could reinstall it? 01:06:21 <Sithik> im pretty sure i read on the ttdforums that quite a few people are lagging out in the 1966 (or close to it) 01:07:45 <Sithik> glx do you have the problem? (im guessing no), i was just going to say... wanna send me your config file? lol 01:08:07 <glx> btw you are not using 0.4.8 because yapf is not in 0.4.8 :) 01:08:17 <Sithik> openttd-0.4.8-win32.exe 01:08:20 <Sithik> is what i installed 01:08:24 <Sithik> im redownloading it now 01:12:30 <Sithik> wow 01:12:44 <Sithik> quite a few things are different in this? this is odd 01:12:55 <Sithik> i installed this same version yet things are different 01:12:57 <Sithik> ... 01:13:07 <glx> I guess you used a nightly :) 01:15:56 <Sithik> wel 01:15:57 <Sithik> well 01:16:01 <Sithik> we'll see how this goes 01:16:12 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:17:49 <Sithik> actually 01:17:52 <Sithik> since i got you here 01:17:54 <Sithik> i was wondering 01:17:59 <Sithik> in my road vehicle menu 01:18:02 <Sithik> i see the vehicle number 01:18:07 <Sithik> and then a circle under them 01:18:19 <Sithik> sometimes they are green, sometimes orange...? 01:18:31 <glx> red means negative profit 01:19:00 <Sithik> hmm 01:19:08 <Sithik> its not showing any color for any of my 3 now 01:19:15 <Sithik> i guess i have to wait till the end of the year? 01:19:20 <glx> yellow means between 0 and a value I can't remember 01:19:32 <glx> green means more than that value 01:19:47 <glx> grey if the vehicle has less than 3 years 01:20:23 <Sithik> ahh 01:20:39 <Sithik> "end game: 2051" (cant change it)... that doesnt mean it would kick me out of the game does it? 01:21:11 <glx> no it will show your rank then you can continue to play 01:21:51 <glx> and the game will loop forever in 2090 (0.4.8) or in 5000000 (nighlties) 01:21:52 <Sithik> ahh ok 01:24:31 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:24 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 01:43:40 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176119102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 01:43:45 <glx> good night 01:43:52 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:46:05 *** Sithik [~sithik@pool-71-161-240-207.sctnpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 01:48:20 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: bye!] 01:52:45 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 01:53:20 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 01:56:29 <CIA-2> belugas * r6230 /branches/XTDwidget/ (29 files): 01:56:29 <CIA-2> [XTDwidget] -CodeChange: Looks like typedef enum WindowEventCodes is not such a good idea. 01:56:29 <CIA-2> -Revert that back to a simple enum 01:56:29 <CIA-2> -Get rid of the "default: return;" series too, 01:56:29 <CIA-2> since it was done in order to prevent compiler warning thas wil not now happen 01:57:58 <Belugas_Gone> i'm really tired... typoed heavily on commits :S 02:07:24 *** JohnUK89_ [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 02:07:39 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by JohnUK89_))] 02:07:43 *** JohnUK89_ is now known as JohnUK89 02:37:43 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:54:14 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 02:55:44 *** Zahl22 [SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-200-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:02:57 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-199-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:10:59 *** Cassac [~cassac@c-186de353.010-13-6f736c3.cust.bredband.no] has joined #openttd 03:20:09 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org] 03:51:49 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 04:04:32 *** Zahl22 [SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-200-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 04:15:49 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-144-131-90-235.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:16:01 <BFM> *yawns* 04:16:29 <BFM> Mornin' 04:16:37 <BFM> *yawns* 04:17:05 * lws1984 gives BFM a cup of coffee 04:17:43 <BFM> tah, but I just made a hot chocolate! 04:17:44 <Tefad> big furry monster? 04:17:49 <BFM> BurningFeetMan :P 04:17:56 <Tefad> right 04:18:05 <lws1984> even /whois agrees! 04:19:29 <BFM> :D 04:21:41 <Tefad> that sounds like a nick pulled from a hat 04:21:50 <Tefad> or you have a horrible case of tinea pedis 04:22:39 <Tefad> my nick was formed by punching keys on the keyboard until something came out consonant vowel consonant vowel consonant. 04:22:53 <BFM> If you were a nut job in a nut house, what would your daily "hook" be... you know, your typical action to get you put into a solo/drugged out detention, trademark if you will. 04:23:09 <Tefad> call everyone dicks 04:23:23 <Tefad> then proceed to "dick" them. 04:24:32 <BFM> Haha, fantastic! 04:24:59 <Tefad> i've been hanging out with a guy with tourettes 04:25:13 <Tefad> these things come into my mind easily now, for some reason 04:25:38 <Tefad> though that particular answer comes from watching tourettesguy with said friend ; ) 04:26:37 <BFM> Really? 04:26:54 <BFM> Is he like, badly effected? 04:27:08 <BFM> It'd be a pain to constantly fight back random abuse :( 04:27:51 <Tefad> the pain affecting whom? 04:28:14 <Tefad> i can't interpret your sentence without more information 04:28:22 <BFM> Dunno, both the abuser and abusee? 04:28:35 <BFM> pain = hassle 04:31:36 <Tefad> yes 04:31:44 <Tefad> by what do you mean abuse 04:36:00 <BFM> verbal abuse 04:36:06 <BFM> ? Isn't that what they do? 04:37:28 <Tefad> no, just outbursts 04:37:39 <Tefad> not necessarily directed at people most of the time 04:38:07 <Tefad> though if a person is abusive, and have tourettes.. then i guess it would be directed 04:39:02 <BFM> ahh, ok. 04:39:19 <BFM> Hmm, so I guess what I'm trying to ask for is more detail of these outbursts? 04:43:51 <Tefad> string of nonsensical swear words 04:44:39 <Tefad> in this case, most short interjections are replaced by at least five word strings 04:45:06 <Tefad> *stub toe* OH ****-*****-****-*****!!! 04:45:22 <Tefad> (i cut that one short ; ) 05:00:41 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7572B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75A29.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:15:46 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-144-131-90-235.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 05:15:47 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 05:17:59 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 05:44:04 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-156-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:44:04 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-156-033.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:44:13 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 06:02:42 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 06:08:39 *** Guest56 [Gono@N785P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 06:13:40 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@85.119.91.2] has joined #openttd 06:14:22 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N869P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:16:59 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 06:17:04 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 06:17:45 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 06:18:39 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:21:00 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 06:24:18 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 06:26:10 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:28:22 *** tormentum [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:40:31 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 06:40:55 <Tron> + switch (vehicle_type) { 06:40:55 <Tron> + case VEH_Train: DeleteWindowById(WC_TRAINS_LIST, w->window_number); break; 06:40:55 <Tron> + case VEH_Road: DeleteWindowById(WC_ROADVEH_LIST, w->window_number); break; 06:40:55 <Tron> + case VEH_Ship: DeleteWindowById(WC_SHIPS_LIST, w->window_number); break; 06:40:55 <Tron> + case VEH_Aircraft: DeleteWindowById(WC_AIRCRAFT_LIST, w->window_number); break; 06:40:56 <Tron> + default: NOT_REACHED(); break; 06:40:58 <Tron> + } 06:41:01 <Tron> what kind of nonsense is this? 06:41:25 <Tron> was DeleteWindow(w); too simple? 06:46:26 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:58:38 <tormentum> quick Q.... what's OpenTTD coded in? 06:59:22 <MiHaMiX> tormentum: shell script :P 06:59:42 <MiHaMiX> tormentum: pure assembly 06:59:44 <tormentum> MiHaMiX: lol... no wonder it's so fast 06:59:46 <MiHaMiX> tormentum: C 06:59:53 <tormentum> ahh k 07:00:05 <tormentum> plain c? not c++ or anything? 07:00:12 <MiHaMiX> tormentum: a few c++ parts 07:00:18 <MiHaMiX> tormentum: but mostly pure c 07:00:24 <tormentum> kk cheers man 07:16:12 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:16:39 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 07:17:27 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:17:43 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 07:18:07 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:20:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:43 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 07:22:44 *** tormentum [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: adios!] 07:25:46 <grimrc1> is a 'vehicle X is in depot' window a news message handled by news_gui.c, or is it something slightly different? 07:28:53 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:29:30 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:36:11 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:42:24 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:48:37 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:59:52 <Darkvater> morning 08:00:21 <Darkvater> peter1138: ping 08:01:16 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 08:01:27 <MeusH> hello 08:01:47 <MeusH> Darkvater, tile measurement tool, please? 08:02:37 <Darkvater> is at home, not looked, busy with website, at work 08:03:15 <Darkvater> MeusH: you do have a good timing ;p. Just joined 2 minutes ago 08:03:49 <MeusH> allright, I'll wait 08:03:55 <MeusH> I'll bug you this evening :) 08:04:08 <Darkvater> :) 08:05:19 <Darkvater> MeusH: I did look at the diff a bit but I am sure it can be made a lot shorter 08:05:52 <MeusH> what do you think? To make more functions that will do the job? 08:05:58 <MeusH> currently it's all packed into on function 08:06:14 <Darkvater> I think if you retrieve the direction of the drag from start-to-end in 2-3 lines, then you can get the two outer points (another 2 lines), get their heightdifference (1 line) 08:06:54 <Celestar> morning 08:06:55 <MeusH> Darkvater: Sometimes I need four points 08:06:58 <MeusH> then pick two highest 08:07:08 <Darkvater> what you did is kinda writing out all possibilities 08:07:10 <Darkvater> Celestar: eya 08:07:16 <MeusH> so it works well on slopes when dragging line, not area 08:07:26 <MeusH> hello Celestar 08:08:54 <MeusH> Anyway, how will the linux behave if I run (in repair mode) from a master disk, then put the disk back to slave? 08:09:00 <MeusH> will it work without problems? 08:09:27 <Darkvater> you can try ;p 08:10:15 <MeusH> It's because I'm unplugging windows disks because each time I did something with linux installation it installed GRUBs and LILOs on master boot record of windows drives and they didn't work anymore 08:10:20 <MeusH> now I want to make it perfectly safe :) 08:18:52 *** tormentum [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:18:53 <Darkvater> !seen bjarni 08:18:55 <_42_> Darkvater, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 8 hours 9 minutes ago (30.08. 00:08) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 11 hours 32 minutes there. 08:19:45 <tormentum> and we're back 08:19:51 <tormentum> ooh.. didnt' know you could do that 08:19:54 <tormentum> !seen tormentum 08:19:55 <_42_> tormentum, mirror mirror on the wall... 08:20:00 <tormentum> lol i see 08:20:00 <MaulingMonkey> Zomg Celestar speaks! Did you see my patch mate? 08:20:29 <Darkvater> E U R U S D Up 1 . 2 8 3 8 + . 0 0 7 6 08:20:31 <Darkvater> whohoo 08:20:34 <Darkvater> peter1138: ping 08:20:44 <Darkvater> oh I already pinged him :O 08:20:47 <Darkvater> hehe, short memory 08:23:08 <roboboy> !seen _42_ 08:23:09 <_42_> roboboy, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel. 08:25:51 <peter1138> 2poing 08:25:52 <peter1138> err 08:25:54 <peter1138> pong :) 08:27:03 <Darkvater> hehe 08:30:44 <grimrc1> MeusH: dd if=/dev/hda of=/home/user/mbr bs=512 count=1 should back up the mbr; and a similar dd command to restore it; Google 1st to confirm though 08:30:45 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-124.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:31:54 <MeusH> excuse me, but what's dd, bs=512, which count=1? 08:32:12 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: dd - convert and copy a file 08:32:12 <Darkvater> a unix command 08:32:14 *** IceBear [~icebear@p54A4E1A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:32:17 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: bs = block size 08:32:21 <IceBear> hi 08:32:27 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: count = number of blocks 08:32:41 <Darkvater> if = input file 08:32:44 <Darkvater> of = output file 08:32:45 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: bs=512 count=1 <-- total of 512 bytes will be copied 08:32:49 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: from if to of 08:33:01 <MeusH> okay, thank you so much 08:33:12 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: which will result that your mbr will be saved to file /home/user/mbr 08:33:23 <MeusH> so I shall execute this command and the HDD will work on other setting (like hdd instead of hda?) 08:33:28 <MiHaMiX> ./topic Unix support channel | $topic :D 08:33:53 <MeusH> IceBear, hi 08:34:01 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: no, with the above command you can create a backup from your MBR 08:34:28 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: you should save the backup to an independent media, say, pendrive of floppy disk 08:34:37 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: preferably to a pendrive 08:34:46 <Darkvater> he pendrive 08:34:47 <MeusH> okay, thank you 08:34:51 <Darkvater> haven't heard that word before 08:35:05 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: and after you've created the backup, you can switch to grub 08:35:05 <MeusH> and what can I do with such a file? 08:35:10 <MeusH> to restore the mbr in case of... 08:35:14 <MiHaMiX> Belugas_Gone: usb stick :D 08:35:20 <Darkvater> MeusH: yes, that is the backup of your mbr 08:35:33 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-124.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:35:33 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: boot a linux from a livecd 08:35:42 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: and issue the opposite command 08:36:00 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: dd if=/mnt/pendrive/mbrbackup of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 08:36:05 <MeusH> "MeusH: and after you've created the backup, you can switch to grub" <- I don't get it right now 08:36:31 <grimrc1> MeusH: you can back up the mbr of hdX where X=a usually 08:36:36 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: i believed that you're wiling to switch to grub from lilo 08:36:41 <MeusH> no, sorry 08:36:42 <MeusH> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows 08:36:47 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: ahh 08:36:50 <grimrc1> MeusH: be careful though; if you mix up if= and of= you could overwrite it accidentally 08:36:55 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:37:01 <MeusH> yes, I'll be aware of that, thanks 08:37:04 <MeusH> hi RichK67 08:37:07 <RichK67> hi 08:37:40 <MeusH> MiHaMiX, thanks for info, maybye one day I'll switch, but now I don't have any experience to judge which one is better 08:38:07 <MeusH> about that link I gave you, the points worrying me are 5 and 7 08:38:20 <MeusH> At this stage you are presented with a screen where you can select which partition is your root partition (there is a list of the partitions on your hard drive, so you are required to know which partition number Ubuntu is on). This will be dev/discs/disc0/partX, where the X is a partition number. 08:38:22 <MeusH> and 08:38:26 <MeusH> type $ grub-install /dev/hdaX where X is your Ubuntu root install. 08:38:55 <MeusH> I think that if I unplug all other hard disk drives, linux should be on hda 08:39:23 <MeusH> but I should be sure that nothing will be messed up when I change linux HDD back to hdc or hdd 08:40:00 <peter1138> grub is better than lilo, heh 08:40:06 <grimrc1> MeusH: you don't *strictly* need to install grub or lilo on your hard drive at all; you could boot from certain bootable CDs or floppy disks 08:40:12 <peter1138> it lets you recover, for example 08:40:17 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:19 <peter1138> and also lilo runs a sucky network 08:40:41 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:40:42 <Darkvater> morning RichK67 08:41:25 <grimrc1> an old SuSE Linux install disk would allow me to boot my hard disk install (in a kind of rescue mode) - grub is the most flexible boot-loader; you can make a floppy with it and tell it how to boot your Linux partition 08:42:43 <grimrc1> but putting hard disks in and out can change the disk labelling; fortunately, grub actually has a command-line where you can actually change the root= option for the Linux kernel (to tell it what it's called now that you've changed disks around) 08:43:21 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:43:51 <MeusH> well I think I'll just re-install linux 08:44:01 <MeusH> I have no actual data on the HD 08:44:09 <MeusH> and I don't think the problem is with a loader like grub 08:44:29 <MeusH> It just freezes when splash screen displays "loading modules" 08:44:50 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387EC0E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:44:55 <MeusH> and I'm almost sure it has nothing to do with grub or lilo 08:45:06 <peter1138> splash screen o_O 08:45:26 <MeusH> yeah, that brown "ubuntu" text and some brown things in background 08:45:30 <Darkvater> MeusH: press escape 08:46:06 <MeusH> Darkvater, I'll try, but IIRC nothing worked: ctrl+alt+F1 to ctrl+alt+F7, Ctrl+C... 08:46:21 <Darkvater> no I mean escape to see the boot-process before it freezes 08:46:48 <MeusH> yes, that's what I need I think 08:46:54 <MeusH> so brb 08:46:55 <MeusH> I hope 08:47:01 <MeusH> if I don't destroy my comp 08:47:05 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 08:47:05 <grimrc1> MeusH: I think the reason it's freezing on loading modules is it can't find the initrd image (particularly if you've moved disks around) 08:50:08 <peter1138> modules is way after initrd 08:50:27 <peter1138> hmm 08:50:29 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 08:50:34 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 08:50:37 <peter1138> when did all distros start using initrd images anyway 08:50:39 <MeusH> back 08:50:49 <peter1138> just seems to make loading much slower 08:51:08 <MeusH> so I see white letters on the black background: Unpacking linux....OK! Booting to kernel... 08:51:25 <MeusH> I'm pressing ESC all the time 08:51:45 <MeusH> but that damn splash screen pops up 08:51:50 <MeusH> and it freezes immediately 08:51:54 <grimrc1> MeusH: sure it's ESC 08:51:55 <grimrc1> ? 08:52:01 <MeusH> yep 08:52:10 <grimrc1> MeusH: I think the reason it's freezing on loading modules is it can't find the initrd image (particularly if you've moved disks around) 08:52:22 <MeusH> yes, that may be the reason 08:52:26 <MeusH> there is a new HDD 08:52:31 <grimrc1> I had some similar problems 08:52:35 <MeusH> with a new winblows installed 08:52:50 <grimrc1> but with Gentoo & SUSE; can't remember the exact error messages 08:52:55 <MeusH> grimrc1, is it possible to run from live CD and edit particular files? 08:53:16 <grimrc1> MeusH: most LiveCDs are fully functional Linuxes yes 08:53:56 <MeusH> grimrc1, but how about rescuing my linux (installed on HDD) using LiveCD? 08:54:25 <grimrc1> MeusH: your hard drive is probably using Grub, so you may be able to get that to boot Linux for you, by modifying the boot command (from inside grub when you reboot I mean) 08:54:36 <MeusH> so I run linux from LiveCD, edit corrupted files on HDD and it starts working? :) 08:54:46 <grimrc1> MeusH: no I don't think so 08:55:15 <MeusH> grimrc1, like boot -dontloadmodules? :) 08:56:08 <grimrc1> kernel /boot/kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/hda6 08:56:53 * MeusH 's jaw dropped on the desk 08:56:58 <grimrc1> I have to change the root part when my partition numbers changed (had lots of partitioning trouble myself) 08:57:10 <grimrc1> that's auto-generated pretty much 08:58:09 <grimrc1> I just copied that out of my grub.conf, but you can tweak those settings when grub boots up 08:58:09 <MeusH> do you propose to change grub's settings? 08:58:20 <grimrc1> maybe 08:58:50 <grimrc1> I could be misleading you; I don't even know all the details about what's stopped your ubuntu working 08:59:01 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [Quit: RichK67] 08:59:19 <MeusH> I think it stopped working after adding new HDD and installing windows on it 08:59:20 <Hadez> MeusH: If you want to hide the "splash screen", choose "recovery mode" in GRUB. 09:00:01 <MeusH> Hadez, shall I press ESC and select recovery mode in some kind of menu? 09:00:21 <Hadez> MeusH: If you can get there, yes. 09:00:34 <MeusH> allright 09:00:51 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 09:06:48 *** Trenskow [~outlet@cpe.atm2-0-72445.0x535a0976.odnxx12.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:06:48 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 09:07:55 <Trenskow> peter1138, ping 09:08:04 <grimrc1> any luck getting in to the bootloader menu MeusH ? 09:08:30 <MeusH> [4294672.759000]Attempting manual resume 09:08:30 <MeusH> [4294672.759000]attempt to acces beyond end of device hda2: rev=16, want=8, limit=2 09:08:30 <MeusH> [4294672.759000]Kernel panic - not syncing: I/O error reading memory image 09:08:33 <MeusH> yes 09:08:37 <MeusH> no splashscreen 09:08:42 <MeusH> but these ^ messages instead 09:09:00 <MeusH> just before that, it was doing some operations on drives 09:09:24 <Hadez> MeusH: Looks like partitions are screwed? 09:09:25 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6231 /website/templates/screens.tpl: [Website] -Fix: Some cornercase tabulators where not correctly handled, resulting in invalid HTML code. Also add CSS-validator 09:09:25 <MeusH> hdc: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R-RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB cache 09:10:11 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6232 /website/templates/footer_general.tpl: [Website] -I said: Also add CSS-validator 09:10:19 <MeusH> any way to fix that? 09:10:35 <grimrc1> MeusH: 'I/O error reading memory image' suggests it's trying to load the ramdisk image from the hard disk and failing (quite often (some) kernel modules are inside a ramdisk image) 09:11:26 <grimrc1> MeusH: I think the reason it's failing is that grub (that is the boot loader installed right?) is feeding stale information (from before the hard disks were reordered) to your Linux kernel 09:11:26 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6233 /website/ (post.php templates/post.tpl): [Website] -Codechange: Prettify login code a bit and handle a warning about using an unset variable 09:11:55 <MeusH> assuming I din't change anything on the linux hard disk, can I tell it to load the image from the other place? 09:12:05 <MeusH> for example by tweaking grub config? 09:12:56 <grimrc1> MeusH: yes, if you can get in to grub (by rebooting again and getting in to it *before* the Linux kernel starts to boot) - however, you need the grub man page to work out what to do; another way is to load a liveCD and install a new grub 09:13:15 <grimrc1> MeusH: I'm guessing you're changing the BIOS order to boot your old Linux grub? 09:13:21 <peter1138> Trenskow: what? 09:13:48 <MeusH> grimrc1, I hit F11 which opens "boot menu" with all drives listed, so I can choose one to boot" 09:14:02 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6234 /website/ (style.css templates/header.tpl): [Website] -Use DIV tags for the menu instead of a table 09:14:02 <MeusH> without that menu, I'd have to hit DEL to go to BIOS and change settings 09:14:06 <grimrc1> MeusH: oh yeah; so not changing the order, but booting your old Linux drive 09:14:13 <Trenskow> peter1138, i need to find a solution on assigning spriteid's to the lang grf files dynamicly 09:14:26 <Trenskow> peter1138, i understand you know about newgrf 09:14:41 <Trenskow> peter1138, thought maybe you had an idea 09:14:49 <grimrc1> MeusH: that boot menu from F11 is provided from the BIOS though right? it doesn't say grub/ubuntu/lilo boot loader or anything like that? 09:14:57 <MeusH> yep, it's bios 09:15:25 <MeusH> info on that is being displayed like that: DEL > go to bios F11 > go to boot menu 09:15:28 <grimrc1> MeusH: after you select your Linux drive, do you get a grub menu, or does it just jump straight to the Linux kernel with ubuntu splash 09:15:32 <Rubidium> Darkvater: http://www.openttd.org/screens.php?image=images/screens/0.4.7/arctic_scenery isn't a 0.4.7 screenshot as it has PBS 09:15:40 <MeusH> a grub menu 09:15:52 <Darkvater> Rubidium: I know but it has been there for a long while now, don't wanna remove 09:16:04 <MeusH> it is where I pressed esc, selected rescue mode and found the "kernel panic" message 09:16:04 <grimrc1> MeusH: that's what I meant before; if you know what you're doing, you can get a prompt and tweak from that grub 09:16:10 <peter1138> Trenskow: no 09:16:18 <Trenskow> peter1138, hehe 09:16:22 <peter1138> Trenskow: i've not had any time in the past months to think about ottd things 09:16:23 <Trenskow> peter1138, ok 09:16:38 <grimrc1> a grub prompt; not a Linux prompt of course 09:16:59 <Trenskow> peter1138, my temperarily solution will be to just reserve x number of sprites in sprites.h 09:17:01 <grimrc1> it's got a help command 09:17:24 <MeusH> grimrc1, well, I pressed ESC and the grub menu was displayed, giving me list what to boot 09:17:54 <MeusH> grimrc1, so I can either change the settings in GRUB when loading system, or from linux ran from LiveCD? 09:18:38 <grimrc1> MeusH: yep basically; you need to know how to set it up with your new driver location hdX 09:19:29 <grimrc1> you need the ubuntu specific stuff, but you can get that by mounting your Linux partitions, and going to /boot/grub/ - that's where / would be on your Linux partition, not the LiveCD's / 09:19:44 <MeusH> okay 09:19:55 <MeusH> so I will edit the grub config file 09:20:01 <MeusH> now how do I know what to edit? 09:20:08 <MeusH> I mean, what should be the new setting? 09:20:14 <MeusH> is it hda hdb hdc or hdd? 09:20:22 <grimrc1> MeusH: well, you can list your hard disk partitions with fdisk -l /dev/hdX 09:20:50 <MeusH> where X is either a,b,c or d? 09:20:56 <grimrc1> yeah basically 09:21:07 <grimrc1> unless you've got like raid cards or scsi or serial ata or something 09:21:48 <MeusH> fdisk looks like format disk :o 09:21:58 <grimrc1> your Linux drive has probably just gone from hda -> hdb ; usually hda is primary master, hdb is primary slave; then c is sec. master and d sec. slave 09:22:10 <grimrc1> fdisk --help or man fdisk 09:22:18 <grimrc1> fdisk -l /dev/hdX just lists the partitions 09:22:20 <MeusH> so I shall do the fdish -l /dev/hdX until I spot some linux-looking things? 09:22:58 <grimrc1> yeah - bit crude I know 09:23:11 <grimrc1> hda will probably list FAT32 or NTFS ones 09:23:25 <grimrc1> /dev/hda1 * 1 158 1269103+ b W95 FAT32 09:23:25 <grimrc1> /dev/hda2 159 392 1879605 83 Linux 09:23:25 <grimrc1> /dev/hda3 393 2399 16121227+ 5 Extended 09:23:30 <grimrc1> ... some of mine 09:23:55 <grimrc1> that's Linux fdisk btw; not DOS one! 09:24:06 <Patrick`> cfdisk better 09:24:52 <MeusH> okay. I'll find the LiveCD, run that linux, run IRC client on linux and try 09:26:33 <grimrc1> ok 09:27:08 *** Trenskow [~outlet@cpe.atm2-0-72445.0x535a0976.odnxx12.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:49 <grimrc1> don't know how long I can stay though 09:28:33 <grimrc1> grub's got a good man page; ju77777777777777777777ooo 09:29:32 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6235 /trunk/data/: -Cleanup: Make SVN ignore everything not under version control in the data/ folder 09:29:41 *** Trenskow [~outlet@cpe.atm2-0-72445.0x535a0976.odnxx12.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:30:10 <grimrc1> sorry - the cat - one thing about grub is it has a hd0,0 format that translates in to hda etc.; just makes things slightly more confusing 09:32:19 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 09:36:44 <grimrc1> this kind of article covers a lot of the basics: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/HOWTO_GRUB_BOOTLOADER_AND_TROUBLE_SHOOTER 09:38:31 <grimrc1> hopefully, fixing yours will be as simple as changing hdX for hdY in the old grub.conf and writing it again; make sure you write it to the Linux drive of course; 09:38:45 *** Trenskow [~outlet@cpe.atm2-0-72445.0x535a0976.odnxx12.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 09:39:05 <tormentum> whats happening people? 09:39:50 *** tormentum is now known as torm 09:46:18 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FCD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:06 <Prof_Frink> torm: we're going into hyperspace? 09:54:30 <torm> Prof_Frink: bummer, i forgot my towel :( 09:57:17 <torm> how does one grow a reiserfs partition? 09:57:22 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org] 09:57:38 <torm> just added another disk to the raid array and i need to grow the partition without destroying data 09:59:58 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:01:01 <torm> woot found it: resize_reiserfs /dev/md0 10:07:22 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-111.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:07:44 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 10:07:50 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:57 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FCD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:17 <peter1138> reiserfs o_O 10:08:29 <Darkvater> going nicely peter1138 :) 10:08:43 <Darkvater> 10:45 < peter1138> splash screen o_O 10:08:44 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 10:08:44 <Sacro_> !logs 10:08:50 <torm> why the o_0? 10:09:45 <Faux> So woefully slow at boot-time. 10:10:01 <torm> true (admitadley) 10:10:04 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:10:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:10:10 <torm> cant change tho.. too much data 10:10:25 <torm> root@Slackbox:~# df -h 10:10:26 <torm> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on 10:10:26 <torm> /dev/sda1 38G 923M 37G 3% / 10:10:26 <torm> /dev/sda2 36G 33M 36G 1% /home 10:10:26 <torm> /dev/md/0 1.8T 1.2T 612G 66% /mnt/raid 10:10:49 <torm> what FS would you recomend for large partitions? 10:11:25 <Sacro_> fat12 :P 10:11:36 <torm> LOL 10:12:10 <Darkvater> how many times do you boot? 10:12:58 <torm> not that often, but i leave it off when i'm not using it... just for personal storage and backup 10:13:19 <torm> i've only really had experience with reiser and ext2 10:13:58 <Darkvater> I've used RFS since the start, no problems at all 10:14:21 <Darkvater> what IS slow though is ext2 when it has to check the HD after an unexpected shutdown 10:14:26 <Darkvater> takes aaaaaages 10:14:55 <torm> mm, well the reason i chose reiser is cos i've never lost data with it... ext3 and ext2 i've had probs with... loosing the entire partition etc etc 10:15:15 <Darkvater> and if I cancel it, my pc doesn't get a hostname o_O 10:15:16 <torm> but a 1.8TB reiser partition takes about 40seconds to mount 10:16:13 <Sacro_> Darkvater: use ext3, its journalised, takes around 2 mins to switch and doesnt take ages to recover 10:16:35 <Darkvater> Sacro_: I used ext2 so i can access it from windows 10:16:53 <Darkvater> although I've found a prog that also does windows<>reiserfs but never tried it 10:16:57 <Sacro_> Darkvater: thats fine, i think ext2 and 3 are compatible 10:17:07 <Darkvater> not what I read 10:17:11 <Sacro_> afaik it just ignores the journal 10:17:26 <Darkvater> Sacro_: got any huge CSS criticism to the new menu-bar of openttd.org? 10:17:49 * Darkvater is not much of a CSS wizard ;p 10:17:57 <Osai> hello, is there any fix timeperiod in OpenTTD like: one day = 3 seconds in real time or one year = 15 minutes? 10:18:22 <Darkvater> yes 10:18:26 <Sacro_> Darkvater: nope, firebug and validation are happy with it 10:18:28 <Darkvater> one day = 3sec 10:18:34 <Osai> thx :) 10:18:46 <Sacro_> Darkvater: but you have a good few <a name=... should be id=... 10:18:56 <Sacro_> and 3 empty p tags 10:18:59 <Darkvater> Sacro_: I know it passes validation :) 10:19:42 <Sacro_> Darkvater: yeah, i think my plugin uses tidy, which can be a lot more strict 10:20:42 <torm> i was browsing thru the wiki the other day, whats with all the new graphics and stuff? are we replacing the need for the original game files or making a 3d version of ottd? 10:20:50 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:20:54 <Darkvater> should be <a id= ? 10:20:57 <Sacro_> torm: err... both 10:20:59 <Darkvater> what's the diff? 10:21:08 <torm> ahh i see 10:21:26 <Sacro_> In XHTML, the "name" attribute has been deprecated and replaced by the "id" attribute. If you want to keep both tags for compatibility reason, name and id, the values should be the same. 10:21:26 <Sacro_> This error is generated when only the name exists and that tidy try to copy the value of the name in the id attribute. But an "id" must begin with a letter ([A-Za-z]) 10:21:30 <torm> Sacro_: any alpha/beta versions to have a look see? 10:21:44 *** andy-- [~andy@mail.transcapital.com] has joined #openttd 10:22:08 <Sacro_> torm: check out the svn brances 10:22:12 <Sacro_> *branches 10:22:27 <Darkvater> ah I see 10:22:39 <torm> Sacro_: ta mate 10:22:39 <Darkvater> torm: there is no 3D version of openttd in the plans 10:22:55 <Sacro_> Darkvater: :O then why all the blender/3ds models? 10:23:10 <Darkvater> Sacro_: so but I can't start id with an integer? 10:23:35 <Darkvater> Sacro_: to create new gfx? making HQ 3D models really doesn't mean you're going to make a 3D game 10:23:38 <Darkvater> <-- lunch 10:24:13 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:24:41 <Sacro_> Darkvater: no you cant 10:24:49 <Sacro_> Darkvater: true, but i thought it was a start 10:24:53 <Sacro_> Darkvater: bon appetit! 10:25:37 <torm> mm, i need me some food too 10:26:32 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 10:27:09 <Sacro_> oh noes 10:27:15 <JohnUK89> :-D 10:27:42 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 10:27:49 <JohnUK89> Sacro: morning :) 10:29:22 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176119102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:29:52 <Sacro> JohnUK89: morning 10:33:17 <Sacro> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/30/disqualification_shame/ :| 10:33:28 <Sacro> nsf<18 10:33:32 <Sacro> ie JohnUK89 :P 10:33:47 <JohnUK89> Wha? 10:33:56 <Sacro> nothing 10:38:44 <roboboy> hello 10:39:03 <roboboy> my nvidia is working fine now 10:39:22 <JohnUK89> roboboy: what was it? 10:39:48 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:49 <roboboy> ottd was glichy 10:40:06 <roboboy> you helped me install my drivers 10:40:31 <JohnUK89> Yeah, that will help if you wanna do any 3d stuff in future 10:40:35 <JohnUK89> :) 10:40:37 <roboboy> what music player do you use 10:40:54 <roboboy> im intending on istalling rct3 on linux 10:40:55 <JohnUK89> I use rhythmbox with all the gstreamer plugins 10:41:05 <roboboy> ive got it on windows 10:41:06 <roboboy> ok 10:41:07 <Sacro> mpd ftw! 10:41:28 <roboboy> ive heard amorok is the best, but i cant get it to work 10:41:41 <JohnUK89> I've not tried AmaroK myself 10:43:18 <JohnUK89> And since amaroK doesn't support mp3 I'm kinda stuffed until I get my music converted to ogg 10:43:41 <Sacro> amaroK does support mp3 10:43:51 <JohnUK89> Doesn't here lol 10:44:12 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 10:44:44 <Sacro> heh, crappy distro 10:44:47 <roboboy> none but audacity accept mp3 here 10:44:58 <roboboy> were using Ubuntu 10:45:04 <torm> banshee! :) 10:45:12 <Sacro> have you added mp3 support 10:45:21 <Sacro> Audacious :) 10:45:31 <JohnUK89> roboboy, try sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 10:45:32 <torm> audacious eh? might have a look 10:45:38 <torm> amarok is nice 10:45:53 <JohnUK89> Then when that's done use rhythmbox or totem to play a few mp3's :) 10:46:09 <Sacro> audacious is a fork of bmp-x which is the successor to bmp which is a fork of xmms, which is a winamp clone 10:46:35 <torm> banshee is nice cos of it's decent ipod support 10:46:38 <JohnUK89> I DID run xmms for my mp3's until I installed the gstreamer plugin 10:47:03 <JohnUK89> Now I use rhythmbox, as said 10:47:26 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 10:47:32 <JohnUK89> Just need to get DVD support working... 10:47:44 <JohnUK89> I'm missing my fill of The Matrix :) 10:47:49 <torm> whose using ubuntu here? 10:47:50 <roboboy> will that allow me to save audio files 10:47:54 <roboboy> me 10:48:01 <Sacro> JohnUK89: libdvdread libdvdcss 10:48:09 <JohnUK89> roboboy: I think it only plays them 10:48:17 <Sacro> roboboy: what format? 10:48:22 <Sacro> i use oggenc 10:48:23 <JohnUK89> Sacro: I started installing them before you even said :-D 10:48:43 <JohnUK89> I need to convert my mp3's to ogg ideally 10:48:53 <TinoM> i've a question: when i compile openttd from source, my binaries never show there version-tag on the main-screen. so i can't join any servers (even of the same revision) because the revision always mismatch. this happens under linux(gentoo) and windows(eclipse+cdt+mingw)... 10:49:02 <roboboy> mp3 or ogg 10:49:11 <Sacro> TinoM: hmmm, thats weird 10:49:18 <Sacro> try make RELEASE=foobar 10:49:21 *** DC-1 [DC-1@scene.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:42 <JohnUK89> roboboy: you can save oggs with oggenc, never used it though, ask Sacro on that one 10:50:09 <Sacro> or lame for mp3s 10:50:38 <roboboy> but you know that terminatorx dj thingie. I want to save my mixes but i cant 10:51:31 <JohnUK89> Try turntables > Record Audio to Disk 10:51:44 * Sacro sends pacman to get it 10:51:58 <torm> ooooooo> 10:52:26 <torm> actually: C o o o o o 10:52:30 <torm> :o) 10:52:38 <Sacro> torm: yes... it does that 10:52:47 <TinoM> Sacro, thx, eg RELEASE=r6176 works 10:53:01 <Sacro> TinoM: nice one 10:53:11 *** andy-- [~andy@mail.transcapital.com] has quit [] 10:53:41 <TinoM> with a make all only rev.c gets compiled and openttd linked 10:53:51 <Sacro> TinoM: its that that sets RELEASE 10:54:08 <TinoM> so, i've to figure out, why it doesn't take the setting automatically 10:54:55 <torm> woot! new mono release... 10:55:00 * torm goes to play 10:56:47 <TinoM> ah, the makefile uses a shell script (line258-265) to determine the version, seems that doesn't work with mingw/eclipse 10:57:00 <Sacro> TinoM: bugs.openttd.org 10:57:06 <Sacro> it should... im sure it used to 10:57:36 * Sacro trashes the lightening seeds on virtual decks 10:58:21 * roboboy is listening to scooter 10:58:36 * JohnUK89 isn't listening to anything at the moment 10:58:55 <Sacro> open up the window and jump into the blue 11:00:13 <JohnUK89> Grr my connection is sucky today :( 11:00:20 <JohnUK89> (More sucky than normal) 11:00:55 <Sacro> ;) 11:01:25 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 11:01:31 <JohnUK89> I can just imagine it...soon as I move NTL will go bankrupt...and I'll have this connection for another while 11:01:32 * torm fires up banshee and cranks till bronner 11:02:01 <torm> JohnUK89: i hear ya man... 11:02:44 <torm> i've been shaped tho... so i'm back on dialup speed... 11:02:46 <torm> grrrrrrr 11:02:51 <JohnUK89> I literally curse connections...every house I've been to that has broadband, the connection has thrown a major wobbler while I was there, and AS SOON AS I left it worked again 11:02:56 <roboboy> the record option wont work 11:03:11 <JohnUK89> roboboy: hmm, I dunno then, I don't use the program 11:03:23 <roboboy> eh 11:03:26 <roboboy> heh 11:05:13 *** Meush [~ubuntu@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:05:15 <Meush> hi 11:05:20 <JohnUK89> MeusH: ello 11:05:27 <torm> Meush: g'day :) 11:05:40 <Meush> I typed man fdisk and I have no idea how to get out of it. I tried esc, ctrl+c or exit, but neither works 11:05:43 <Meush> and I know I'm dumb 11:05:51 <torm> dzjein dobre 11:06:02 <torm> guten tag 11:06:23 <JohnUK89> MeusH: press q ;-) 11:06:26 <Meush> dzien dobry :) 11:06:28 <Meush> oh, thanks :) 11:07:23 <torm> lol well i was close :P 11:08:00 <Meush> now why doesn't "fdisk -l hda" work? I was told to check partitions that way 11:08:26 <JohnUK89> /dev/hda? 11:08:32 <Meush> okay 11:08:32 <JohnUK89> Hmm 11:08:37 <JohnUK89> no, you're right 11:08:44 <JohnUK89> You on SATA? 11:08:45 <Sacro> + 11:08:49 <Meush> cannot open /dev/hda 11:09:00 <Meush> I think so 11:09:03 <JohnUK89> Might have to rum it as root 11:09:08 <Sacro> yup 11:09:10 <Sacro> or sudo 11:09:19 <TinoM> Sacro, it was no bug. i had to install the svn binaries ;) 11:09:26 <TinoM> now it works fine 11:09:28 <JohnUK89> TinoM: lmao 11:09:37 <torm> lol 11:09:38 <Sacro> TinoM: ah yes 11:10:09 <TinoM> eclipse uses its own svn, but the makefiles uses svn-shell commands to determine the revision 11:10:18 <Sacro> subclipse 11:17:13 <Darkvater> !seen BJH2 11:17:15 <Darkvater> eh 11:17:15 <_42_> Darkvater, if you can't see BJH2 here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 11:17:18 <Darkvater> !seen bjarni 11:17:19 <_42_> Darkvater, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 11 hours 8 minutes ago (30.08. 00:08) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 11 hours 32 minutes there. 11:18:35 <torm> !seen Darkvater 11:18:37 <_42_> torm, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel. 11:18:45 <torm> oh... but... but... :( 11:20:13 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:14 <torm> what is that bot thing? 11:20:22 <torm> !help 11:20:24 <Darkvater> a bot 11:20:35 <torm> is there a list of commands he accepts? 11:20:49 <torm> or is he/her/it always that grumpy 11:21:05 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.47] has joined #openttd 11:21:08 <Darkvater> !commands 11:21:16 <Darkvater> or something 11:21:23 <roboboy> !seen abcd 11:21:25 <_42_> roboboy, abcd? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember abcd. 11:21:45 <roboboy> im compareing his output to patchbots 11:21:54 <torm> !commands 11:22:02 <torm> !dude_cmon! 11:22:25 * Meush is wondering what is a root password on ubuntu LiveCD 11:22:43 <JohnUK89> there isn't one 11:22:49 <JohnUK89> lol 11:22:51 <Darkvater> !command 11:23:03 <Darkvater> oh well, it was something along those lines 11:23:05 <Meush> well pressing enter when asked for password doesn't work either 11:23:07 <Patrick`> the user you are has unrestricted sudo access 11:23:21 <torm> !calc 5 + 6 11:23:26 <_42_> torm: 11; 11:23:27 <Patrick`> Meush: just do sudo su 11:23:27 <JohnUK89> MeusH: what command are you using? 11:23:32 <Patrick`> to get a root shell 11:23:37 <Patrick`> anyway, skedaddle 11:23:46 <JohnUK89> sudo -s -H works too :) 11:24:44 <torm> !stats 11:24:44 <_42_> torm: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 11:25:09 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 11:25:09 <JohnUK89> !logs 11:25:10 <JohnUK89> (go to the stats page there) 11:25:28 <Sacro> hmm, whats the CAD - GBP rate 11:25:57 <JohnUK89> www.xe.com ;-) 11:26:22 <Darkvater> At 13:26 Op .4762 Hi .4763 Lo .4740 Prev .4762 11:26:29 <Darkvater> Bloomberg ;-) 11:26:36 <torm> heh, Sacro's been kicked 9 times according to the stats 11:27:20 <JohnUK89> Yeah lol 11:27:21 <Meush> eh 11:27:28 <Meush> I give up for a moment 11:27:30 <Meush> fucking ubuntu 11:27:35 *** Meush [~ubuntu@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:27:45 <JohnUK89> MeusH: what are yout rying to do with it? 11:27:49 <JohnUK89> you trying* 11:28:26 <torm> lol i use ubu soley... it's great 11:28:52 <torm> what's the probs he's having JohnUK89 ? 11:28:56 <JohnUK89> I would use it on its own if it wasn't for one game I played 11:29:02 <JohnUK89> torm: I dunno lol 11:29:04 <JohnUK89> He hasn't said 11:29:24 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:29:44 <torm> mm, i have a WinXP 7Gb Partition on my lappy, but that's just for fixing clients machines... spyware scanners etc etc 11:29:46 *** DC-1 [DC-1@scene.hu] has joined #openttd 11:30:12 <JohnUK89> torm: I have this game installed and that's about it lol 11:30:22 <torm> lol i hope it's not WoW 11:30:25 <JohnUK89> Nah 11:30:33 <JohnUK89> Live For Speed 11:30:37 <torm> ahh kk 11:30:53 <JohnUK89> Absolutely fantastic :) 11:30:56 <torm> WoW stole 6 months of my life 11:31:00 <JohnUK89> Ouch :S 11:31:07 <torm> dont play anymroe... i saw the light... 11:31:11 <JohnUK89> Yeah lol 11:31:14 <torm> played it 27 hours a day 8 days a week 11:31:19 <Sacro> £240 for vista ultimate... 11:31:21 <JohnUK89> Thank heavens you did see the light 11:31:30 <JohnUK89> Sacro: not that I'm buying it... 11:31:34 <torm> now i play OTTD 30 hours a day :P 11:31:38 <JohnUK89> torm: lmao 11:31:53 <Sacro> JohnUK89: i will if i cant get it knocked off 11:32:07 <torm> Sacro: haha 11:32:09 <JohnUK89> Sacro: haha 11:32:13 <Sacro> http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/103-4779169-4468661?search-alias=software&keywords=Windows%20Vista 11:32:15 <Darkvater> sprite-artists around? 11:32:29 <torm> www.mininova.org eh? lol 11:32:29 <JohnUK89> I have no reason to buy it, Linux does me for what I want, and compiz gives me the eye candy ;-) 11:32:33 <Sacro> Darkvater: yeah, kinda 11:32:38 *** IceBear [~icebear@p54A4E1A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 11:32:44 <torm> compiz... xgl... drooooool 11:32:57 <JohnUK89> torm: you running it too? Sexy aint she? :P 11:33:14 <peter1138> slow was my first observation 11:33:16 <torm> my ex wants me to put in on her lappy when we get it 11:33:17 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081902A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:33:25 <AsterixMG> hi @all 11:33:26 <JohnUK89> torm: hehe 11:33:35 <JohnUK89> peter1138: slow? Nooooo not a chance :P 11:34:05 <torm> JohnUK89: only prob is scrolling... when i'm coding i go back to normal mode 11:34:12 <JohnUK89> torm: yeah 11:34:25 <JohnUK89> My only problem is OpenTTD, but I switch back to play 11:35:23 <peter1138> yes, very slow 11:35:25 <torm> JohnUK89: altho... Kororaa works nicely, i should see if i can hack the config files from it 11:35:27 <torm> bbs 11:35:35 <JohnUK89> peter1138: not in my experience 11:35:41 <JohnUK89> torm: okies 11:35:42 <peter1138> is in mine ;p 11:35:50 <JohnUK89> what graphics card? 11:35:59 <peter1138> nvidia geforce thingy 11:36:09 <Darkvater> Sacro: http://www.tt-forums.net/files/clone_icons_126.png << can you make better sprites for the *small* icons which are 16x16? 11:36:12 <JohnUK89> Which one lol 11:36:14 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:36:19 <JohnUK89> There's like 6 generations of them :P 11:36:19 <peter1138> 2 i think 11:36:23 <JohnUK89> 7* 11:36:26 <JohnUK89> Aah 11:36:29 <JohnUK89> that's why :P 11:36:31 <Darkvater> the bad thing about GLX/compiz was the zoom 11:36:38 <JohnUK89> It needs a beefier card than you have 11:36:42 <Darkvater> it just blew up the pixels 11:36:42 <JohnUK89> Darkvater: I don't use it 11:36:47 <Darkvater> really ugly :( 11:36:59 <Darkvater> I thought at least the fonts/windows would look normal 11:37:08 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 11:37:27 <JohnUK89> Darkvater: there are a few issues with compiz, but on the whole I love it 11:37:33 <peter1138> it's not vector, heh 11:38:36 <Rubidium> Darkvater / peter1138: http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/fs_313_fix.diff <- any comments on this fix for FS#313? 11:38:41 <Darkvater> it should be vector 11:38:47 <Darkvater> otherwise it's pretty useless 11:38:50 <JohnUK89> I did want to try AIGLX but it doesn't work with nvidia cards 11:40:12 <peter1138> Rubidium: it smells about right 11:40:34 <peter1138> has a standard been settled upon yet, for this gee-whiz extensions? 11:40:50 <JohnUK89> peter1138: dunno yet 11:40:55 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:55 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 11:42:04 <Darkvater> Rubidium: how can it not be entered? You type in '-1' in the edit box 11:42:46 <torm> i just got a random urge to play sim farm 11:43:20 <peter1138> fs#310 is easy to fix 11:43:23 <JohnUK89> I have a random urge to get Sim City 2000 working in DOSBox 11:43:23 <peter1138> "not a bug" 11:43:24 <Rubidium> Darkvater: you cannot enter a '-', I guess it should be 'should not be entered' 11:44:10 <Darkvater> Rubidium: why can't you enter a -? 11:44:43 <Darkvater> if the input box is set to alphanumeric then that's wrong. it should be set to string, or allow '-' with alphanumeric 11:44:45 <Rubidium> because the inputbox does not allow it 11:44:53 <Darkvater> then the inputbox should allow it 11:45:19 <Rubidium> why? 11:45:43 <Darkvater> so you can enter -1 ? 11:45:48 <Rubidium> ok, for signed inputvalues I agree, but for unsigned ones it is not necessary 11:46:45 <Darkvater> so how do you want a user to enter -1? 11:46:54 <peter1138> do you? 11:47:23 <Rubidium> it shouldn't want to enter -1, as that, or rather 2^32-1 is a magic value that should (must) not be used 11:47:52 <Darkvater> so there is a magic value that we don't want to enter? 11:48:16 <Darkvater> then there is no use for it 11:48:40 <Darkvater> well anyways 11:48:47 <Darkvater> clamp(atol(_edit_str_buf), 0, MAX_UVALUE(uint32) - 1); << this is wrong 11:48:50 <Darkvater> use clampu 11:48:52 <JohnUK89> bbs, shower then food 11:49:11 <Darkvater> and there is no need to clamp an unsigned number between 0 and max-value since it can never be less than 0 11:49:46 <Darkvater> so just say minu(atl(), max_value()-1) 11:50:55 <Rubidium> ok, I've refreshed the patch 11:52:26 <Darkvater> he, wrong ;p 11:52:38 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has joined #openttd 11:52:45 <Darkvater> if atl() max_value()-1 then it'll be max-value()-1 11:53:06 <Rubidium> doh 11:53:08 <Darkvater> what do you want random seed to be if magic number is entered? 11:54:09 <Rubidium> just make it MAX_VALUE - 1 I guess 11:54:26 <Darkvater> isn't that the magic number? 11:54:38 <Rubidium> no, MAX_VALUE is the magic number 11:54:44 <Darkvater> oooooh 11:54:44 <Rubidium> which is 2^32-1 11:55:08 <Darkvater> then the diff is good 11:55:11 <Rubidium> so valid input is 0..2^32-2 11:55:16 <Darkvater> -2 11:57:20 <Darkvater> so the diff is good minu(atol(), max_value-1) 11:58:05 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 11:58:07 <Rubidium> the question remains how you would tranform -2 to 2^32-2 when you store it (temporary) in a long due to atol() 11:58:37 * Sacro is confused 11:59:00 <Darkvater> Rubidium: you store it in a long-unsigned 11:59:11 <Darkvater> so if you enter 2^32-1 then the value is 2^32-1 11:59:16 <roboboy> gnight 11:59:25 <Rubidium> then -2 becomes 2^64-2 11:59:38 <Darkvater> is atol 64bits? 11:59:49 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:59:51 <Darkvater> atol is 32bits 11:59:58 <Darkvater> you're thinking about atoll() 12:01:21 <Rubidium> why does it then read 2^32-2 correctly to a (signed) long? and what is the difference between atoi & atol when a (signed) int is 32 bits? 12:02:23 *** jean-luc [~Jeanluc@host140-113.pool80104.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 12:02:27 <Darkvater> atoi converts to signed, atol is unsigned 12:02:51 <Darkvater> or not... 12:02:57 <Rubidium> long atol(const char *nptr); 12:03:19 <Rubidium> from the ato(i|l|ll|q) manpage 12:03:30 *** jean_luc [~Jeanluc@host140-113.pool80104.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 12:04:01 *** jean-luc [~Jeanluc@host140-113.pool80104.interbusiness.it] has quit [] 12:04:17 <Darkvater> they're all signed 12:04:21 *** jean_luc [~Jeanluc@host140-113.pool80104.interbusiness.it] has quit [] 12:04:51 *** jean_luc [~Jeanluc@host140-113.pool80104.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 12:05:00 * Darkvater is getting pretty confused here 12:06:55 <Rubidium> hmm, a long is 4 bytes too 12:07:14 <Darkvater> no long is 4 bytes, int can be anything 12:07:41 <Rubidium> then why does atoi not work and atol work (both int & long are 4 bytes on my computer) 12:08:37 <Darkvater> min((uint32)atol(), MAX_VALUE(uint32) - 1) 12:09:33 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 12:10:56 <Darkvater> Rubidium: donnu. You could look in debug mode what atoi() and atol() return 12:13:16 <AsterixMG> Darkvater, is the openttd-website being changed? 12:13:50 <Rubidium> I'm looking at the source of atoi & atol now; difference: atoi casts to int, atol doesn't 12:13:59 <Darkvater> no anymore 12:14:25 <Darkvater> Rubidium: well but if you say that int is 4bytes and long is 4bytes on your machine then ther should be no diff 12:15:48 <Darkvater> AsterixMG: no, why? 12:16:10 <peter1138> heh, "donnu" 12:17:15 <AsterixMG> Darkvater, it seems the top-menu doesn't want to load correctly in my mozilla currently... trying with other browser now 12:17:26 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:17:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 12:18:04 <Darkvater> AsterixMG: he, i tested it with IE/Opera/Firefox/Konqueror 12:18:26 <Bjarni> hi people 12:18:27 <Darkvater> Bjarni: if you have a minute and i have a minute, some comments about your latest commits 12:18:35 <Bjarni> ok 12:18:39 <Rubidium> Darkvater: hmm, atol first seemed to work, but I guess I missed to enter one digit; I'm now using atoll 12:18:48 <Rubidium> and that works as expected 12:19:04 <AsterixMG> Darkvater, it worked ok yesterday, so it seems theres someting wrong with mozilla on my computer ;) it works ok in other browser, so ill have to restart mozilla sooner or later :P 12:19:28 <Darkvater> Rubidium: but you don't want atoll, that does int64 12:19:29 <AsterixMG> btw, hi Bjarni 12:19:52 <Darkvater> AsterixMG: yesterday it was the old format. Please take a screenshot and put it online somewhere so I can see 12:20:03 <Rubidium> what is the problem with int64? 12:20:05 <peter1138> strtoul 12:20:13 <Darkvater> the seed is only 32 bits 12:20:42 <Darkvater> peter1138: yep, even better 12:20:44 <AsterixMG> Darkvater, i'll try restarting mozilla first, if it doesn't resolve the menu-problem, i'll take a screenshot 12:20:55 <Darkvater> AsterixMG: update mozilla? ;p 12:20:59 <Darkvater> what mozilla is it? 12:21:07 <AsterixMG> good question ;) 12:21:18 <AsterixMG> 1.7.12 12:22:28 * Bjarni expect a PM from Darkvater any minute now 12:22:46 <Darkvater> AsterixMG: what is that kind of browser? mozilla mozilla? netscape? 12:23:09 <AsterixMG> mozilla mozilla from mozilla.org :) 12:23:39 <AsterixMG> i stopped using netscape about 10 years ago :P 12:23:53 <Rubidium> ok, strtoul works OK ;) 12:24:19 * Sacro tests it in ie5 12:24:49 <AsterixMG> brb, restarting mozilla :) 12:24:54 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081902A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 12:25:52 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081902A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:26:04 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:26:07 <Darkvater> AsterixMG: so why don't you download firefox from mozilla.org? 12:26:14 <Darkvater> Bjarni: sorry, wait af fe more ;p 12:26:31 <AsterixMG> Darkvater, i have downloaded firefox, but am too lazy to install it ;) 12:27:07 <AsterixMG> well, as i have postponed buying a new computer i might install it soon :) 12:27:47 <AsterixMG> anyway, restarting mozilla resolved the problem... must have been some other site i visited before that got mozilla confused 12:27:53 <Darkvater> :O 12:28:04 <torm> back 12:30:00 <Darkvater> AsterixMG: gay 12:30:10 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:30:15 <JohnUK89> torm: wb :) 12:30:19 <JohnUK89> back myself 12:30:42 <JohnUK89> AsterixMG: more proof Mozilla is still stuck in the Netscape days ;-) 12:31:05 <torm> JohnUK89: i found a sim farm torrent... it's 4mb large and has so far taken 20mins to get to 45% completion... *sigh* 12:31:15 <JohnUK89> torm: lmao 12:31:15 <Turski> :D 12:31:27 <JohnUK89> I'm about to look for a sim city 2000 torrent 12:31:37 <torm> i installed dos box... it rocks man! 12:31:39 <Darkvater> wtf 12:31:49 <JohnUK89> torm: doesn't it :) 12:31:53 <Darkvater> Bjarni: did you get my PM's? 12:31:53 <JohnUK89> Bit slow, but it rocks 12:32:16 <Turski> is there something opensource sim city clone? 12:32:28 <Rubidium> Darkvater: the patch is now OK? 12:32:30 <torm> JohnUK89: we'll see how it plays in a tick... well, in an hour :P 12:32:36 <JohnUK89> Turski: dunno 12:32:44 <torm> Turski: lincity 12:32:55 <Turski> have to check it :) 12:32:58 <JohnUK89> torm: well anything 3d in dosbox is really really slow 12:33:19 <JohnUK89> (and also anything cpu intensive) 12:33:29 <torm> Turski: lincity-ng << this is the proper one 12:33:41 <AsterixMG> dosbox is nice, if you don't get a game to run otherwise, but lots of games even run without dosbox :) 12:33:49 <Darkvater> Rubidium: yes 12:33:58 <JohnUK89> AsterixMG: under Linux, DOSBox is your only option 12:34:04 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-111.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-111.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:34:14 <JohnUK89> WINE only supports windows stuff 12:34:32 <AsterixMG> JohnUK89, oh, thought windows in wine might run dosgames as well 12:34:39 <JohnUK89> Nah 12:34:49 <JohnUK89> It supports Win16 stuff, but not DOS 12:34:59 <AsterixMG> :/ 12:35:12 <torm> vmware-player works a charm 12:35:28 <JohnUK89> torm: yeah, but I got XP on it at the moment :P 12:35:39 <AsterixMG> hehe, just wanted to ask if you cant use something like that to install dos :) 12:36:14 <JohnUK89> I want to install win 3.11 to it, and that means shoving DOS on first 12:36:15 <JohnUK89> So yeah 12:36:33 <JohnUK89> Mind you, DOSBox CVS supports 3.11 12:36:50 <torm> i wonder if win3.11 will run in DOSBox 12:36:51 <torm> oh 12:36:53 <torm> lol 12:36:54 <AsterixMG> :) 12:36:55 <Sacro> it does 12:37:13 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6236 /trunk/genworld_gui.c: -Fix (FS#313): TGP generation seed edit box only accepted seeds up to 2^31-1, instead of up to 2^32-2. 12:37:14 <JohnUK89> Only CVS though 12:37:19 <Darkvater> hmm, what different oils do we have? 12:37:22 <Darkvater> Brent Oil 12:37:22 <JohnUK89> The official releases don't 12:37:29 <Darkvater> can't remember the other'sname 12:37:42 <Sacro> Darkvater: baby oil? 12:37:51 <Darkvater> .. 12:38:16 <JohnUK89> brb 12:38:17 <Sacro> engine oil, vegetable oil, peanut oil 12:38:34 <torm> massage oil 12:38:37 <torm> :P 12:38:40 <Sacro> ;) yes 12:38:45 <Darkvater> crude-black oil I mean 12:38:49 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, is it safe to start working on BuildVehicleList now? 12:38:50 <torm> rofl 12:39:12 <torm> woot! simfarm finished (finally!) 12:39:19 <torm> longest 4mb download EVER! 12:39:29 <JohnUK89> Then you find out it's a windows game <g> 12:39:33 <Sacro> :o LINKAGE 12:39:41 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: yeah, now the code is unified. I will make more commits to it, so it might result in minor conflicts, but nothing big (hopefully) 12:39:48 <torm> i'll test it with dos box 12:39:54 <torm> if it works i'll put it on my server 12:39:57 <torm> give me 5 12:40:14 <Bjarni> also I have layed out what vars that are accessible for figuring out what kind of list it is, so it's easier to tell them apart 12:40:16 <Bjarni> use it 12:41:15 <Sacro> hi 12:42:24 <JohnUK89> oooh curry :P 12:42:29 <Sacro> its ok 12:42:37 <Sacro> i miss curry :( 12:43:05 <JohnUK89> come over this end then, i live on em :P 12:43:16 <Bjarni> currently there are 5 free window types free (since it got 3 bits). It appears that the routing thing might need two of them, so you can use 3 if needed. We can also compress VEH_ types to less than 5 bits if we really need more bits, but it's easier the way it is now (and faster) 12:44:45 <Darkvater> Bjarni: you know you can also use vehiclelist_d WP if you run out of window_number hacks 12:45:36 <Bjarni> yeah, but doing like this is more pretty 12:45:54 * Darkvater is not entirely sure 12:46:17 <Bjarni> also I don't consider it hacks. It stores some info and by creating the numbers like this, we know that they will be unique 12:47:14 <Darkvater> well yes, but I don't think what we use window_number for is what it was thought to get used when designed 12:47:56 <Bjarni> hmm 12:48:00 <Bjarni> you got a point there 12:48:34 <Bjarni> but doing it in any other way would be double work as the info needs to go into the window number to ensure unique numbers 12:48:43 <Bjarni> well, except vehicle type 12:49:17 <Darkvater> yeah you need'em unique for veh_type and owner 12:50:25 <Bjarni> I need window type, the station/order id and owner if no station/order ID is present to make them unique 12:50:35 <Bjarni> hmm 12:51:02 <AsterixMG> hmm, i wanted a struct to submit parameters to the buildvehiclelist-function... currently it looks like this http://mitglied.lycos.de/kuttler/ottd/BuildVehicleList_1.diff 12:51:13 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:19 <Bjarni> whatever, it's working and it's not worse than commands, that packs everything in p1 and p2 12:51:37 <AsterixMG> this could be included in vehiclelist_d i think? 12:53:19 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, Darkvater any comments on the struct? 12:54:28 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: reading 12:54:44 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 12:54:53 <Darkvater> what is it supposed to do? 12:55:30 <AsterixMG> i want to extend BuildVehicleList to be more flexible in what lists it can build 12:56:01 <Darkvater> in what way? 12:56:04 <Darkvater> eg what extra options 12:57:16 <AsterixMG> for example show all coal-trains that go for a specified station (btw, the diff is documented ;) ) 12:57:35 <Bjarni> I like the idea 12:57:50 <Darkvater> so selecting the station, clicking the 'train' button and sorting by cargo-type is not good? 12:58:23 <Darkvater> or am I missing something totally obvious here? 12:58:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> sorting does not suffice, imho, filtering is needed... 12:58:36 <Bjarni> it's a filter, not a sorter, right? 12:58:42 <AsterixMG> i didn't say its not good, but it allows filtering 12:58:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> especially, if you have a "send all in list to depot" and similar 12:59:32 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: comment about xy. Don't you mean INVALID_TILE instead of INVALID_STATION? 13:00:00 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, umm, errrr, yes :) 13:00:02 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 13:00:50 <Darkvater> I have a feeling that vehicle-list window will become a HUGE mess 13:01:30 <AsterixMG> why? 13:01:43 <Darkvater> because it will do so much 13:01:58 <Bjarni> maybe we should make functions to handle drawing the list and to filter 13:02:05 <Bjarni> like we use a function to sort 13:02:19 <Bjarni> in order not to make the function too big 13:02:35 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:35 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: VEHICLE_TYPE_ALL = 0xF0000, <-- this should go in the same enum as VEH_Train in vehicle.h 13:03:43 <Bjarni> and I'm not sure I like the value 13:04:21 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:04:23 <Bjarni> say 0x1F would be better because then it can be used in general where only 5 bits are available 13:04:40 <JohnUK89> torm: ping? 13:05:00 <Belugas> Good day all 13:05:08 <MeusH> hello Belugas 13:05:13 <JohnUK89> Belugas: afternoon :) 13:06:11 <Darkvater> jiya 13:06:16 <Darkvater> -j +h 13:06:17 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:36 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, currently i used this: HASBIT(listopt->type_mask, v->type) to check if a vehicle is one to select... would have to change this then 13:06:42 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 13:06:46 <MeusH> huh? 13:06:48 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 13:06:48 <MeusH> !logs 13:06:51 <AsterixMG> hi Belugas 13:08:15 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:45 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 13:09:27 <Sacro> ahh bullseye 13:09:53 <Bjarni> MeusH: stop stepping on your telephone cable :P 13:09:54 <Belugas> MeusH, JohnUK89, Darkvater, AsterixMG and all the others, I salute you :) 13:10:05 <Bjarni> Belugas: why? 13:10:07 <Sacro> Belugas: pour quoi? 13:10:13 <Bjarni> you expect us to die or something? 13:10:23 <Darkvater> or he is 13:10:44 <Belugas> Bjarni, because I feel good :) 13:10:46 <Bjarni> no he is just Canadian 13:11:03 <Sacro> could be worse...could be dutch/danish/ wherever :P (i forget) 13:11:04 <Bjarni> I know it can be hard to tell those two things apart 13:11:05 <JohnUK89> I prefer canadians to Yanks 13:11:30 <JohnUK89> They don't randomly invade countries :) 13:11:34 <Belugas> me too :D althougfh I know a few americans worth speaking to 13:11:53 <Bjarni> Belugas: the big chested ones? 13:11:54 <Sacro> JohnUK89: yes, and dragging us into it 13:12:03 <JohnUK89> Sacro: damn right :-\ 13:12:03 <Sacro> mmmmmmmm, breasts... 13:12:11 <MeusH> mmm 13:12:17 <JohnUK89> STOP HIGHLIGHTING ME SACRO! :P 13:12:31 <Bjarni> what? 13:12:41 <Sacro> Bjarni is slow... 13:12:52 <JohnUK89> very slow indeed... 13:12:53 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:12:54 <Sacro> you ok there MeusH ? 13:12:57 <Bjarni> JohnUK89: you get hightlighed by breasts? 13:13:10 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: nah lol 13:13:12 <Belugas> Bjarni, no those who did not voted for Bush :D 13:13:17 <Sacro> i enjoy highlighting breasts 13:13:18 <MeusH> yeah I'm here 13:13:19 <JohnUK89> Was a naff attempt at a joke 13:13:20 <MeusH> I'm okay 13:13:51 <Belugas> work@work be back 13:13:52 <MeusH> Sacro, tell me more about highlighting breasts 13:14:09 <torm> Back! 13:14:13 <torm> and someone said breasts! 13:14:14 * Bjarni imagine that Sacro scripted getting highlighted by breasts, boobs, tits, lesbian, lesbians, sex, and a whole lot of other stuff like that 13:14:28 <JohnUK89> nekkid wommenz! 13:14:31 <MeusH> Sacro is kinky 13:14:33 <JohnUK89> (another one) 13:14:37 <MeusH> ohh double highlight :) 13:14:42 <torm> mmmmmm (.)(.) 13:14:55 <Sacro> ( o )( o ) 13:15:02 <Darkvater> (Y) 13:15:09 <torm> LOL 13:15:14 <Turski> ( Y ) 13:15:15 <Darkvater> ( Y ) 13:15:16 * Bjarni notes that Sacro is into big breasts 13:15:20 <Turski> (.Y.) 13:15:21 <Darkvater> yeah that was a skinny ass 13:15:24 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:15:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:15:34 <JohnUK89> ( o )( o ) <should get Sacro going 13:15:37 <MeusH> Bjarni, that dude who posted "Hangar Names Incorrect" on tt-forums is quite right, there is something wrong with names. When translating, I noticed "{STATION} hangar" changed to "{TOWN} airport hangar" or something like that 13:16:06 <Darkvater> that reminds me: when are hangar-colours changed? 13:16:27 <MeusH> click on "send to hangar" either with control or without 13:16:27 <Darkvater> it does look kinda gay, imho the whole string should get a new colour not just the depot part 13:16:56 <torm> (. .) 13:16:57 <torm> ).( 13:16:57 <torm> ( * ) 13:17:06 <Darkvater> what does ctrl do? 13:17:15 <glx> service only 13:17:19 <MeusH> I don't remember, but it's all in the tooltip 13:17:34 <Darkvater> ah 13:17:41 <MeusH> /o\ 13:17:41 <MeusH> / \ 13:17:41 <MeusH> U U 13:17:41 <MeusH> \ / 13:17:41 <MeusH> (Y) 13:17:42 <MeusH> | | 13:17:43 <MeusH> | | 13:17:47 <Darkvater> imho only CTRL should be green, the others left alone 13:17:47 <MeusH> lol 13:17:48 <Bjarni> MeusH: yeah, well spotted. I will fix this in a moment 13:17:56 <torm> lol... go fish MeusH 13:18:07 <MeusH> it was for Sacro 13:18:45 <Darkvater> MeusH: the hands are missing 13:18:47 <Sacro> lol 13:18:53 <Sacro> Darkvater: she doesnt need em 13:18:54 <Darkvater> 15:16 < torm> (. .) 13:18:54 <Darkvater> 15:16 < torm> ).( 13:18:54 <Darkvater> 15:16 < torm> ( * ) 13:19:00 <Darkvater> this one's cool :) 13:19:04 <MeusH> yep, too busy drawing Y-shaped vagina 13:19:05 <torm> lol 13:19:08 <torm> she's 18 13:19:12 <MeusH> llol 13:19:16 <Bjarni> lol 13:19:21 <Kjetil> haha 13:19:22 <torm> (o o) 13:19:22 <torm> ).( 13:19:22 <torm> ( * ) 13:19:25 <torm> that one is 25 13:19:43 <torm> (O o) 13:19:43 <torm> )o( 13:19:43 <torm> ( * ) 13:19:46 <torm> that one is 45 13:19:47 <torm> :P 13:19:51 <Darkvater> bad boobjob? 13:20:16 <Bjarni> always breastfeeding from the same one? 13:20:22 <Kjetil> |o o) - breastcancer kicked in 13:21:04 <torm> oh god 13:21:08 <JohnUK89> tut 13:21:10 <torm> ascii art rocks :P 13:21:33 <Bjarni> JohnUK89: it's spelled "tit", not "tut" :P 13:21:33 *** jean_luc [~Jeanluc@host140-113.pool80104.interbusiness.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:21:40 * Sacro watches asciiquarium 13:21:46 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: I wasn't saying "tit" ;-) 13:21:58 <Bjarni> then you went off topic 13:22:04 <JohnUK89> lmao 13:22:19 <peter1138> ... wouldn't it be funny if a girl had a wouldn't it be funny if a girl had a ... 13:22:22 <peter1138> o_O 13:22:24 <Sacro> ooh this one might win the speedboat 13:23:11 <Darkvater> syntax error 13:26:29 <Sacro> :( they didnt win 13:26:38 <Sacro> lost the holiday in austria 13:29:24 <Sacro> :O CATCHPHRASE :D 13:29:45 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-200-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:30:51 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 13:32:17 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:29 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 13:37:07 <Darkvater> anyone norwegian here? 13:38:00 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: ) td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ (] 13:38:56 *** Tron_ [cnCxsiL3@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 13:38:58 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 13:39:22 <Sacro> Darkvater: yes 13:39:32 <Darkvater> Konjunkturbarometer, industri og bergverk. Sesongjustert og glattet <-- what does this say? 13:39:37 <Darkvater> mainly 'bergverk'? 13:39:40 <Sacro> no idea 13:39:56 <Sacro> i aint the norwegian :P 13:40:02 <Darkvater> what kind of a fake norwegian ar eyou? 13:40:13 <Noldo> Darkvater: /who + grep 13:40:14 <Sacro> you asked if there was one in here...i think there is 13:40:28 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [know-it-all] 13:40:35 <TinoM> lol 13:40:42 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-111.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:40:44 <Sacro> :( 13:41:40 <Kjetil> Darkvater: I can translate it 13:42:19 <Bjarni> !openttd commit 6237 13:42:23 <_42_> Commit by bjarni :: r6237 /trunk/lang/ (11 files) (2006-08-30 13:41:53 UTC) 13:42:25 <_42_> -Fix r6165: fixed wrong hangar name in heading for hangar strings 13:42:27 <Darkvater> Kjetil: could you? :) 13:42:27 <_42_> also fixed inconsistent Danish translation and a typo in Dutch in the same strings 13:42:32 <Bjarni> that's faster then CIA-2 :P 13:42:35 * Darkvater kicks CIA-2 13:42:42 <CIA-2> ow 13:42:52 <Bjarni> and I fixed the Dutch translation :D 13:43:17 <Sacro> does norwegian = dutch... 13:43:17 <JohnUK89> lol 13:43:26 <Bjarni> lol 13:43:27 <Kjetil> Darkvater: I don't know what Konukturbarometer is , "Konjukturbarometer, industry and mining. Seasonadjusted and smoothed" 13:43:27 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6237 /trunk/lang/ (11 files): 13:43:27 <CIA-2> -Fix r6165: fixed wrong hangar name in heading for hangar strings 13:43:27 <CIA-2> also fixed inconsistent Danish translation and a typo in Dutch in the same strings 13:43:53 <Sacro> well a barometer meausures pressure 13:44:07 <Bjarni> -STR_HEADING_FOR_HANGAR_SERVICE_VEL :{LTBLUE}Op wg naar {GREEN}{TOWN} Hangar{LTBLUE}, {VELOCITY} 13:44:08 <Bjarni> +STR_HEADING_FOR_HANGAR_SERVICE_VEL :{LTBLUE}Op weg naar {GREEN}{STATION} Hangar{LTBLUE}, {VELOCITY} 13:44:08 <Darkvater> http://www.ssb.no/maanedshefte/del1/ < ha! found it 13:44:16 <Bjarni> clearly a typo 13:44:19 <Darkvater> Kjetil: ah mining is 'bergverk'. thanks 13:44:21 <Bjarni> wg -> weg 13:44:44 <Kjetil> Darkvater: directly translated it says mountainworks 13:44:45 <Darkvater> Kjetil: konjunktur is like the economic forecast as to what you think will happen in a certain area 13:44:52 <Darkvater> he 13:44:59 <Darkvater> should've known 13:45:07 <Darkvater> so close to dutch: 'bergwerken' 13:45:11 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [] 13:45:13 <Bjarni> hehe 13:45:15 <Darkvater> although we don't use that word at all 13:45:19 <Eddi|zuHause> german is "Bergwerk" 13:45:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess Holland does not have many of them ;) 13:45:30 <Darkvater> a min is Bergwerk in german? 13:45:38 <Darkvater> mine 13:45:39 <Darkvater> even 13:45:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 13:45:47 <Darkvater> lol 13:45:58 <Bjarni> in Danish we just call it "mine" 13:46:00 <Darkvater> we have a single mine in the most south-east corner ;p 13:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause> although you could use "Mine" also 13:46:47 <Kjetil> We usually call it "gruve" , not bergverk 13:46:59 <Darkvater> groovie 13:47:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "Grube" is also quite common, yes 13:47:27 * Darkvater is glad Hungarian is unique ^_^ 13:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> (comes from "graben", meaning "to dig") 13:48:49 <Bjarni> Grube... we got that word as well, though it's not used anymore. The old mines can still be called that 13:48:57 <Bjarni> now it's more like an old fashioned mine 13:48:58 <torm> anybody want me to send them SimFarm? its 1.1MB 13:49:14 <JohnUK89> torm: didn't it work? 13:49:23 <JohnUK89> Oh 13:49:25 <JohnUK89> It DID 13:49:25 <AsterixMG> torm, wasn't it 4 MB an hour ago? :) 13:49:26 <torm> JohnUK89: works a charm :) 13:49:39 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: that's called zipping ;) 13:49:40 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 13:49:46 <torm> AsterixMG: it was uncompressed... i've tgz'd it up... now 1MB 13:50:02 <Bjarni> did you do anything to it besides compressing it? 13:50:03 <JohnUK89> torm: erm, you can try sending to me, will take an age though 13:50:09 <AsterixMG> ah, how can someone put something up uncompressed :) 13:50:21 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: to use bandwidth? 13:50:23 <torm> AsterixMG: cos they're brain dead 13:50:34 <torm> aight, i'll put it on the server... give me a tick 13:51:00 <Bjarni> I once saw a 10 mb disk image online. It turned out to be an uncompressed one containing around 1 mb data and the rest was free space 13:51:17 <JohnUK89> Hmm I can't seem to get N right in ASCII art... 13:51:56 <Bjarni> makes you wonder about the quality of the app in those 1 mb when the distribution was that poor 13:52:39 <torm> http://slackguy.net/_media/simfarm.tar.gz 13:52:45 <JohnUK89> Ooh smashin 13:52:53 <torm> i've got 25kbs up 13:53:08 <JohnUK89> I won't use that 13:53:16 <JohnUK89> connection can only pull 5 13:53:17 * Sacro goes YOINK 13:53:54 <torm> lol 13:53:57 <Sacro> hmm, seems to be stuck 13:54:11 <Sacro> 53% 13:54:20 <Sacro> and away she goes 13:54:25 <torm> lol 13:54:30 <torm> be nice to my net connection 13:54:57 <Darkvater> ok what does 13:54:58 <Darkvater> Faktisk utvikling fra foregående kvartal og forventet utvikling i kommende kvartal. Diffusjonsindeks 13:55:02 <Darkvater> say? 13:55:10 <Darkvater> utvikling? 13:55:18 <torm> LOL... it says: would you like some tea? 13:55:34 <Darkvater> change from previous quarter utviling to next Q? 13:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause> "entwickeln" means "develop" 13:55:45 * Sacro slaps Darkvater, HOW DARE YOU 13:56:08 <torm> btw peeps, runs fine in DOSBox :) 13:56:12 <torm> omg i love this gam 13:56:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't exactly know if that helps you ;) 13:56:14 <torm> *game 13:56:27 <Kjetil> "The real development in the previous quarter and expected developmnt in the coming quarter. Diffusjonindex(?)" 13:58:14 <Darkvater> Kjetil: thanks 13:58:21 <Darkvater> is that an online translator or justyou? 13:58:34 <Sacro> ARRRGHHH, why say "In English" and then have a damn AMERICAN flag 13:58:58 <Sacro> if your gonna do that you may as well have the canadian next to "in french" 13:59:12 <Noldo> Kjetil: now that you said it seems so reasonable 13:59:49 <Kjetil> Darkvater: just me. But it could probably sound like a online translator because of the directness of the translation 14:00:27 <Darkvater> hehe 14:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember online translators sounding much worse than that ;) 14:00:33 <Sacro> thats not bad 14:00:35 <Darkvater> how come you know norwegian? 14:00:51 <Kjetil> Darkvater: I am kind of .. from Norway :P 14:00:54 <Darkvater> Sacro: WHAt are you talking about? 14:01:09 <Sacro> Darkvater: that translation, makes sense in english to me 14:01:42 <Darkvater> you're norwegiant and you don't know what diffustionindex is or Konjukturbarometer :) 14:01:45 <Darkvater> hehe 14:02:31 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:02:34 * Kjetil dislikes economy 14:03:01 <Darkvater> :) 14:08:31 <Darkvater> hehe US tax-collection 14:08:37 <Darkvater> The 16th Amendment, ratified in 1913, says Congress may ``lay and 14:08:37 <Darkvater> collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived.'' Ever 14:08:37 <Darkvater> since then, economists have been fighting about the definition of 14:08:42 <Darkvater> the concept of income. 14:08:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N785P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:52 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N787P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:11:25 <Kjetil> haha 14:11:58 <torm> JohnUK89: got it okay? 14:12:09 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACBC5107.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 14:12:12 <JohnUK89> torm, nope, my connection's being stupid 14:12:30 <torm> heh... i'll keep it there for ya 14:12:36 <JohnUK89> Cheers :) 14:12:45 <torm> i'm thinking OpenSimFarm sounds like a plan 14:12:46 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:15 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 14:13:25 <torm> OpenSF :D 14:14:08 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org] 14:15:45 <AsterixMG> SF sounds like ScienceFiction :P 14:17:07 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 14:17:22 <torm> lol 14:27:30 <Bjarni> Open Science Fiction... well it is open as we will not know what happens in 300 years 14:28:01 <Bjarni> there will be frying cars. If you disagree, then proof me wrong 14:28:19 <Bjarni> hmm 14:28:28 <Bjarni> sounds like an American approach 14:30:09 <Bjarni> you guys know that in America, you can claim copyright on whatever song/piece of music you want and then if somebody else wants copyright on it, they have to proof that they got a better claim on it. The first claim will never need a proof 14:30:33 <CIA-2> tron * r6238 /trunk/smallmap_gui.c: Use the colour stored in _colour_gradient[] instead of explicitly retrieving it with GetNonSprite() 14:30:50 <Bjarni> so all American folksongs are copyrighted because nobody can claim copyright to them except the record companies, who did it because nobody else had done it when they did 14:32:34 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 14:32:37 <Bjarni> it works like this: say I claim copyright for everything said in this channel, then I would get it as nobody else got copyright for it. If say CIA-2 wants it as well, he would need to proof that his claim for copyright is better than mine. I never had to proof anything because I was first 14:32:53 <Bjarni> only in America.... 14:36:27 <pv2b> Bjarni: actually, that makes sense. the part about burden of proof laying with the challenger. 14:37:02 <pv2b> it's impossible to prove that nobody did anything before you did 14:37:30 <pv2b> it is however possible to claim a copyright at a specific date, and it's possible for a challenger to contest that claim if he has proof, it's how it works in the rest of the legal system and it makes sense 14:37:32 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:38:00 *** Spoco- [Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 14:38:12 <pv2b> otherwise you could have frivolous copyright contes 14:38:13 <Darkvater> pv2b: the question is what to do with common knowledge 14:38:23 <pv2b> otherwise you could have frivolous copyright contesting claims. 14:38:29 <Darkvater> pv2b: for example with folklore songs. Obviously it wasn't he recording companies that invented them 14:38:31 <pv2b> just to annoy people 14:38:50 <pv2b> Darkvater: information or knowledge by it self can never be copyrighted, only a specific work can be. 14:39:11 <torm> well then i claim copyright for simfarm... mwahahaha 14:39:15 <torm> (one track mind tonight) 14:39:23 <pv2b> torm: no, you can't do that, maxis already did that. 14:39:48 <torm> i have a better claim and i challenge them to disprove it 14:40:07 <torm> from the simfarm README: 14:40:09 <torm> COPY PROTECTION: 14:40:09 <torm> --------------- 14:40:09 <torm> SimFarm is NOT copy protected. Please, please, oh pretty please do not give 14:40:09 <torm> away copies of SimFarm to your friends. Heck, don't give copies to your 14:40:09 <torm> enemies either. Illegal copies do terrible things to wholesome software 14:40:10 <pv2b> torm: doesn't work that way. the burden of proof lays on you, not on them. 14:40:10 <torm> companies like us, and will make us raise our prices. Besides, if we find out 14:40:12 <torm> you gave away an illegal copy of SimFarm, we'll tell your mother. THEN you'll 14:40:14 <torm> be in BIG trouble... 14:40:18 <Born_Acorn> (15:28:01) <Bjarni> there will be frying cars. If you disagree, then proof me wrong <--- Can I fry sausages on them? 14:40:42 <torm> my mum is evil... :S 14:40:47 <pv2b> Darkvater: sure, the current system sucks, but mainly because copyright terms are stupidly long 14:41:08 <pv2b> Darkvater: if copyrights just were 5 years after the creation of the work, and no further, there'd be no real reason to debate the issue 14:41:30 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:33 <Celestar> Xgl is kind of cool 14:42:48 <pv2b> Darkvater: the problem isn't with the burden of proof. (that part is sound.) the problem is t hat there are no practical ways to challenge ancient copyrights. 14:43:24 *** TronBSD [~tron@p54A3D462.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:45:56 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: LOL 14:46:04 <Bjarni> I didn't notice that typo myself 14:46:40 <Born_Acorn> It's a very practical idea. 14:46:49 <Born_Acorn> You could have breakfast en route to work! 14:47:16 <Bjarni> yeah 14:47:31 <Bjarni> they do that in Singapore 14:48:12 <Bjarni> traffic is so slow that the grownups get up, get dressed and so on and then they wake up the kids. They will then feed and dress the kids in the cars 14:48:21 <Bjarni> they might also do schoolwork and such 14:49:24 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: be a bit dangerous though 14:49:37 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F389.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:53 *** torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:03:28 *** torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:03:31 <Bjarni> Sacro: no because in the future, a computer will control the car for you while cooking and eating 15:03:43 <Bjarni> and all crashes will be sponsored by Microsoft 15:04:15 <Born_Acorn> You must send the car to a error reporting station, where they tell you to send it if does it again, 15:04:43 <Born_Acorn> Very rarely, the error reporting station blames another car firm. 15:05:21 <Born_Acorn> "Your car's frying drivers were designed by Frycar Co, seek help from them. 15:05:34 <Sacro> d'oh 15:05:51 <Sacro> i think ill get some mates together, build my own flying car, and post the specs online for others to use and amend 15:06:14 <Bjarni> the car in front of you got dirt on the taillights. Your car is incompatible with such a condition. See that you fix the problem in your end 15:06:37 <Bjarni> Sacro: we are talking about frying cars, not flying cars :P 15:06:55 <Sacro> Bjarni: typo ;) 15:07:00 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387EC0E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:07:06 <Bjarni> lol 15:07:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i am seeing some relation to the "if OSes would be flying companies" :p 15:07:35 <Bjarni> you copied a typo and made a typo so the word went back to what it should originally be 15:07:43 <Sacro> yes 15:07:51 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: hehe 15:08:12 <Bjarni> or the "if OSes would be car companies" 15:08:49 <Bjarni> linux would be a whole lot of guys each bringing a spare part and then they sit in a circle and tries to agree on what the car should look like 15:09:26 <Sacro> its better than stealing their parts, hiding them and making something really pretty, but unfunctional 15:09:33 <Sacro> based on their parts 15:09:41 <Bjarni> ohh, for once bobingabout said something on the forum that I can agree on :D 15:09:54 * Sacro haets him 15:09:57 <Bjarni> "you are an idiot. 15:09:57 <Bjarni> we told you how to do it, you ignored us." 15:10:29 <Bjarni> we is a group of people, that includes me 15:11:24 <Bjarni> bobingabout is a Hull victim... err... resident as well? 15:11:31 <Bjarni> oh wait 15:11:37 <Bjarni> forget that I asked that :P 15:12:00 <Bjarni> Location: Hull, England 15:12:00 <Bjarni> just read on the forum :P 15:12:00 <Darkvater> < going home 15:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe sacro mentioned multiple times that he knows him ;) 15:12:20 <Sacro> heh 15:12:29 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: went to college with him for 2 years 15:12:38 <Bjarni> actually he also said another thing I can agree on 15:12:45 <Bjarni> JPG SUX!!! USE PNG!!! 15:13:15 * Sacro considers checking out the cargo-packets branch 15:13:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember ever seeing a commit to that branch... 15:14:06 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: hmm, so its gonna be a bit old then 15:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i am here since around christmas 15:14:23 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387EC0E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:29 <Sacro> r4175 15:14:59 <Sacro> 5 months ago 15:15:00 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 15:15:36 <Sacro> anywhooo, going out, btw 15:15:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-111.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:10 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:52 <Born_Acorn> Oooh Sacro being evil in the forums! 15:18:13 <Born_Acorn> Oh, you left Sacro! 15:18:15 <Born_Acorn> Fine! 15:18:18 <Born_Acorn> See if I care! 15:18:29 * Born_Acorn cries 15:18:58 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:23:12 *** gaz [gaz@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:44 <Bjarni> <Born_Acorn> Oooh Sacro being evil in the forums! <-- where? 15:23:59 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.47] has joined #openttd 15:24:03 <Born_Acorn> Where he calls bobingabout an idiot! 15:24:14 <Bjarni> haha 15:25:16 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 15:26:27 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@24-244.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 15:26:29 <Bjarni> now I replies as well 15:28:15 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:41 *** zag [gaz@howaboutyou.showusyourteetees.com] has joined #openttd 15:33:51 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FCD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:34:20 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 15:37:51 <Born_Acorn> You should have said they were both idiots for treating a public discussion forum as a playground to continue a fight! 15:39:26 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC553E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:05 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2D9FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:05 *** zcram [~zcram@88.196.155.96] has joined #openttd 15:55:21 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 15:55:27 <Bjarni> WolfAngel: yeah. I got the least experience with hotplug 15:55:32 <WolfAngel> ^^ 15:55:34 <Bjarni> you can't get any lower than none 15:55:41 <WolfAngel> ... darn 15:55:42 <WolfAngel> ^^ 15:55:43 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B63EC9.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:56:01 <WolfAngel> have you got any idea how to add an usb device? 15:56:03 <Bjarni> btw what is hotplug? 15:56:10 <Bjarni> ahh 15:56:11 <Bjarni> yeah 15:56:14 <WolfAngel> ... linux thingy ^^ 15:56:16 <Bjarni> plug it in XD 15:56:16 <JohnUK89> hotplug is a bugger lol 15:57:07 <WolfAngel> anyone got any idea howto? 15:57:40 <Bjarni> how to plug in an USB cable? 15:57:41 <Bjarni> yeah 15:57:44 <WolfAngel> nope... 15:57:48 <Bjarni> how to deal with the software: no 15:57:51 <WolfAngel> how to make hotplug detect it 15:57:58 <WolfAngel> ... darn 15:58:00 <Bjarni> try a linux channel 15:58:04 <WolfAngel> well... 15:58:20 <Bjarni> ensure that hotplug is actually a linux thing where you ask 15:58:31 <WolfAngel> ... okay! ^^ 15:58:43 <WolfAngel> anyone got any good linux channels?... 15:58:43 <Bjarni> I fear that the porn industry also captured that word >_< 15:58:51 <WolfAngel> mine went offline some time ago... 15:58:59 <WolfAngel> loool ^^ 15:59:10 <WolfAngel> thx anyway ^^... 15:59:21 <Bjarni> and that will for sure spoil any chance of using google 15:59:29 <WolfAngel> nope... 15:59:43 <WolfAngel> linux hotplug is the first thing on google 15:59:53 <WolfAngel> but the FAQ site is down at the moment 16:01:42 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:02:08 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:09:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that reminds me... i wanted to try out my USB drive... 16:15:54 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:54 *** MeusH_ [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 16:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... working out of the box was probably too much to ask... 16:16:40 <Eddi|zuHause> the drive shows up on "system:/media" 16:16:52 <Eddi|zuHause> but clicking on mount says: 16:16:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Method "Mount" with signature "ssas" on interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" doesn't exist 16:22:46 *** Ammler [~Ammler@24-244.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 16:25:15 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@24-244.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:46 <Born_Acorn> Gah. I have that strange bug where trains just stop and won't start again 16:31:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:32:08 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:09 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6239 /trunk/ (5 files): 16:32:09 <CIA-2> -Code cleanup: cleaned up PlayerVehWndProc 16:32:09 <CIA-2> code to delete an empty shared orders list is now much simpler 16:32:09 <CIA-2> cleaned up the code to handle button clicks 16:32:09 <CIA-2> fixed an assert if widget 9 was pressed on a list with vehicles for another company 16:32:40 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:41 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: and it says "No power" in read? 16:32:46 <Bjarni> build catenary :P 16:33:10 <Born_Acorn> No, I don't use electrics, but it seemed to be a pathfinder bug 16:33:18 <Bjarni> oh 16:33:53 <Born_Acorn> (YAPF). The trains went through red presignals, and stopped at the exit signals. But not even ignore signal got them free. 16:34:14 <Bjarni> KUDr: ping 16:34:21 <Bjarni> KUDr: Born_Acorn got a case for you 16:34:24 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176111120.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:34:44 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: make a bug report and add the savegame 16:34:55 <Born_Acorn> I freed the trains now. :p 16:35:05 <Bjarni> ... 16:35:08 <Born_Acorn> but an autosave should exist. 16:35:11 <Bjarni> that was wrong 16:35:21 <Bjarni> yeah, try to find an autosave 16:35:36 <Bjarni> you should report bugs, not try to find workarounds 16:35:51 <Born_Acorn> I moved the loading steel trains out of the station, the exit signals turned green, and they were freed. 16:36:36 <Born_Acorn> I'll do a flyspray. 16:36:36 <Bjarni> write a bug report with a savegame with this issue and the description on how to free it 16:38:09 <peter1138> Bjarni: what is "widget 9" ? 16:39:07 <Bjarni> left button if there are buttons 16:39:14 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! 16:39:19 <Born_Acorn> You! 16:39:30 *** MeusH_ is now known as MeusH__ 16:39:40 *** MeusH__ is now known as MeusH 16:40:23 <peter1138> so i'm about to spend loads of money ordering adsl 16:40:25 <Bjarni> but for other players window, it's that widget, that gets stretched from the buttons to the resize button when resizing 16:40:30 <peter1138> so expensive :( 16:40:53 *** orudge [~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:40:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 16:40:57 <Bjarni> I got ADSL for "free" if I agreed to keep it for at least 6 months 16:41:03 <Bjarni> it was a win-win :) 16:41:07 <peter1138> o_O 16:41:12 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176119102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:14 <peter1138> maybe orudge can offer 'free' ADSL 16:41:23 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 16:41:32 <orudge> Well, not at present, no. 16:41:39 <peter1138> Bjarni: that seems like a dumb deal on their part... 16:42:06 <Bjarni> so they send a guy to put up a new cable for free. I still had to pay the flatrate fee for the connection, but not for the guy setting it up 16:42:22 <peter1138> hmm, so 16:42:25 <peter1138> £40 install 16:42:32 <peter1138> then £16.99 a month for 512K 16:42:33 <Born_Acorn> It'll probably be a pain that I used many newgrfs. 16:42:33 <peter1138> or 16:42:46 <peter1138> £22.12 a month for 8Mb 16:42:49 <peter1138> er, +vat 16:42:51 <Bjarni> peter1138: well, they tried to get customers to their new offer: ADSL. At that time I think they were the only one to offer ADSL in the country 16:43:44 <peter1138> or i can use ticali which is cheaper 16:43:47 <Bjarni> hence the dedicated ADSL phone cable. Now the signals are joined in the existing cable 16:43:49 <peter1138> tiscali 16:43:52 <peter1138> but probably shit 16:44:10 <Bjarni> I think I heard that Tiscali is shit, but I'm not sure 16:44:17 <Bjarni> might have been some other company :P 16:45:02 <peter1138> 2meg for £14.99 or 8meg for £17.99 with them 16:46:00 <Bjarni> what are the upstreams? 16:46:32 <peter1138> usually 256k or ~400k 16:47:29 <Bjarni> well, according to the news, ADSL is expensive in Denmark. I got 2M/128k for more than that 8M line cost 16:47:34 <Bjarni> that sucks 16:47:50 <Bjarni> and that's the result of one company owning all the phonelines 16:47:52 <peter1138> hmm, £25.99 / month with a clueful ISP 16:48:03 <peter1138> well, most of these are all provided via BT 16:48:06 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:48:29 <Born_Acorn> www.plus.net ! 16:48:38 <peter1138> ew :P 16:48:53 <Born_Acorn> orudge used them himself! 16:49:02 <Born_Acorn> Ask him for recommendations! 16:49:02 *** Tron_ [cnCxsiL3@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:49:32 <orudge> Well 16:49:38 <orudge> We've signed up with Eclipse now 16:49:42 <orudge> well, I haven't as such 16:49:45 <orudge> as I'm not there to use it 16:49:55 <orudge> but basically for my brother/grandad, who may not use it that much very often 16:50:10 <orudge> it's pretty cheap for an 8Mbps (well, 4Mbps) service for the first [x] months at least 16:50:26 <orudge> and so on. 16:50:47 <peter1138> * £9.99 for first 3 months, £14.99 thereafter, 12 month contract applies, offer ends 31st August. 16:50:50 <peter1138> hmzz 16:51:28 <Born_Acorn> The most expensive one has a static IP! 16:51:43 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_AfK 16:51:47 <peter1138> whoopy doo ;p 16:52:03 <Born_Acorn> It's better for Apache. 16:52:11 <Born_Acorn> ! 16:52:13 <Born_Acorn> -. 16:52:20 *** torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:44 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:54:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host254-236.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 16:54:47 <Wolf01> hi 16:55:15 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-111.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:02:21 * Sacro pawns you all 17:02:33 <Sacro> errm... pwns 17:02:50 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:13 <Sacro> mwahahaha 1 done, 89 to go 17:05:02 <Wolf01> do you want to be the next? 17:05:20 <Sacro> :o 17:05:24 <Sacro> the next what? 17:05:40 <Wolf01> [19:04:22] <Sacro> mwahahaha 1 done, 89 to go <- 17:08:27 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACBC5107.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:49 <Sacro> :D 17:08:53 <Sacro> 2 down, 88 to go 17:09:01 <Sacro> mwahahaha 17:09:08 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:09:20 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:09:26 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 17:09:27 <Sacro> :o DAMN YOU 17:09:29 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 17:09:30 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:09:40 <Sacro> :| stoppit, im loosing count 17:09:53 <Sacro> errn so, 2 down, 89 to go 17:10:59 *** jean_luc [~Jeanluc@host58-111.pool80104.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 17:11:31 <Sacro> :'( 17:11:45 <Sacro> 2 down 90 to go...pwnage isnt as easy as i thought 17:14:36 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 17:14:36 <Sacro> !logs 17:19:21 <Wolf01> sacro, tell me a good idea to improve ottd instead of being so... so... so sacro 17:21:09 <Sacro> Wolf01: goods yards, and proper depots 17:21:40 <Wolf01> already thought about them, but too difficult to code 17:23:34 <Sacro> hmm 17:23:44 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, i changed the listoptions a bit, do you think it looks better like this: http://mitglied.lycos.de/kuttler/ottd/BuildVehicleList_2.diff 17:23:44 *** zcram [~zcram@88.196.155.96] has quit [Quit: And off he went.] 17:23:53 <Wolf01> i'm waiting for tmesisbob answers about diagonal roads, he told me that he have to search for the old patch 17:28:22 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FCD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:37:32 <KUDr> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/315 <- hmm, i don't see anything wrong on train behavior. Can someone help me please to understand what the bug is about? 17:37:42 <Sacro> KUDr: hellooooooooooooo :) 17:37:49 <KUDr> hello 17:39:10 <Sacro> KUDr: i spy the problem, user error 17:39:29 <KUDr> yes, i guess so, but not sure 17:39:46 <KUDr> maybe i missed something 17:39:57 <Sacro> KUDr: thats normal behavoir, slap the user 17:40:11 <KUDr> hehe 17:40:17 <Sacro> the normal signals terminate the presignal block 17:40:17 <KUDr> ok, thanks 17:40:26 <KUDr> yes 17:40:31 <Sacro> and hence there is no presignal block, they just cruise up to the next station 17:40:44 <KUDr> there is presignal before it 17:40:52 <KUDr> but train stopped there 17:41:02 <Wolf01> and depend on what pathfinding you are using, you sould use single-2way signals on the platforms 17:41:04 <Sacro> change the 2 signals in the middle to combos and its fine 17:41:17 <Sacro> or presig entry 17:41:29 <KUDr> yes 17:41:49 <KUDr> and do you see who is the author? 17:42:06 <Sacro> [18:11] * Born_Acorn has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) :P 17:42:09 <KUDr> i can't see it 17:42:24 <Sacro> http://www.bornacorn.com/ERK.sav <- the URL tells me a fair bit 17:42:36 <KUDr> aha 17:42:45 <KUDr> he just left ;) 17:42:50 <Sacro> cunning 17:43:45 <Sacro> oh well, close it and slap him when he comes back 17:43:53 <KUDr> ok 17:43:59 <KUDr> thanks again 17:44:04 <Wolf01> and he should remove all the presignals on the exit 17:44:10 <Wolf01> them make only jams 17:44:13 <Sacro> Wolf01: those are fine 17:44:22 <Sacro> oh...those, yeah 17:46:46 <AsterixMG> can anyone tell me what this WINDOW_CUSTOM_SIZE is for? 17:47:26 <AsterixMG> (window.h) 17:49:17 <Wolf01> how can i access my attachments page in the forum? i lost the way :) 17:51:05 <AsterixMG> huh, there is an attachment-page? 17:51:15 <Wolf01> i found it once 17:51:55 <Wolf01> when i needed to find all attachments i posted 17:53:33 <AsterixMG> hmm, ask orudge, he should know ;) 17:53:48 *** sayno [~sayno@ppp-168-253-18-7.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has joined #openttd 17:53:52 <orudge> It's possible, yep 17:53:57 <orudge> at least for admins/mods 17:53:59 <orudge> but if you go to your control panel 17:54:01 <orudge> (profile) 17:54:03 *** jean_luc [~Jeanluc@host58-111.pool80104.interbusiness.it] has left #openttd [Leaving] 17:54:10 <orudge> is there an "attachment control panel" link or something? 17:54:36 <Wolf01> no, but i think it was there 17:55:44 *** IceBear [~icebear@p54A4D5FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:45 <IceBear> hi 17:56:05 <AsterixMG> hi IceBear 17:56:13 <IceBear> i was wondering how i get the real vehicle names in game, can you help me out with that? 17:56:17 <orudge> Wolf01: You may have to be logged in 17:56:26 <Wolf01> i'm logged in :) 17:56:32 <orudge> Hmm 17:56:37 <orudge> Well, if it's not there, it may be mod/admin-only 17:56:54 <SpComb> how silly 17:56:59 <Wolf01> so i discovered a bug? 17:57:00 <SpComb> a list of attachments would be somewhat useless 17:57:12 <SpComb> ehm 17:57:13 <SpComb> useful 17:57:25 *** zcram [~zcram@88.196.155.96] has joined #openttd 17:57:26 <Wolf01> i have only "Your Attachbox is 0% full" in private message 17:57:46 <Wolf01> orudge, what is the url of the attachments page? 17:57:54 <Sacro> Wolf01: paste goes quite errm... interesting when you leave it for a few months 17:58:30 <orudge> Wolf01: http://www.tt-forums.net/uacp.php?u=[YOUR_USER_ID] 17:58:31 <orudge> does that work? 17:58:34 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net/uacp.php?u=7397&sid=1f4904125b0b15266970ba047f9d3571 17:58:47 <Sacro> errm...now that may have been a bad idea 17:59:10 <Wolf01> wait i have to find my user id :P 17:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> !calc 312+2*92 17:59:45 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause: 496; 17:59:50 <IceBear> can any1 help me with that pls? :/ 17:59:57 <AsterixMG> orudge, if i use u=asterix i get invalid session 18:00:10 <Sacro> IceBear: i think its a langage under options 18:00:14 <Sacro> AsterixMG: numberic user id 18:00:20 <Sacro> probably int, auto_increment 18:00:26 <orudge> AsterixMG: OK, it's admin-only 18:00:34 <orudge> or include your session ID 18:00:35 <Sacro> [Uploaded: 4.22 MB / Quota: Unlimited / 0% of total] 18:00:37 <orudge> and it may work 18:00:38 <IceBear> there is an option for the vehicle names but i can only select "default" 18:01:41 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:01:44 <AsterixMG> hehe, i can't find a numeric userID, but a session-id is even harder :P 18:01:52 *** Belugas [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 18:01:55 <Wolf01> log out then log in 18:02:00 <Wolf01> but doesn't work 18:03:44 <Darkvater> . 18:03:59 <AsterixMG> i guess invalid session means it has to be an mod/admin-session :) 18:04:57 <Sacro> check your own profile 18:06:42 <Darkvater> oh sweet 18:06:59 <Darkvater> the upload-control-panel 18:07:10 <Darkvater> orudge: I suppose I can't look into another person's uploads can I? 18:07:29 <IceBear> damnit i wanna have real vehicle names :( *cries* 18:08:30 *** Mucht|zZz_ is now known as Mucht 18:08:33 <AsterixMG> IceBear, you could try to use DB-Set or something like that, but im not sure, how good the support for this is now :) 18:08:58 <Darkvater> or use 'original vehicle names' as a language 18:10:04 <AsterixMG> btw, how IS newgrf-support currently? 18:10:08 <orudge> Darkvater: If you're a mod, then probably 18:10:10 <orudge> not sure. 18:10:27 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 18:10:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 18:10:32 <Darkvater> I'm a mod 18:10:41 <Darkvater> looked at someone else's profile and the option was not there 18:10:44 <Darkvater> hmm.perhaps 18:10:45 * Darkvater checks 18:10:55 <AsterixMG> is someone working on newgrf-support? 18:10:57 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 18:11:16 <Darkvater> hmm no, it needs a sessionid 18:11:35 <Darkvater> Not Authorised 18:11:36 <Darkvater> ble 18:12:12 <Sacro> is there good API documentation for yapf i wonder 18:12:25 *** IceBear [~icebear@p54A4D5FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:12:41 <Belugas> documentation ? what's that??? 18:13:47 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 18:14:11 <Darkvater> Bjarni: ping 18:14:40 <Darkvater> hmm nvm 18:15:19 <Bjarni> Darkvater: pong 18:15:25 <Bjarni> back 18:15:30 <Bjarni> err 18:15:40 <Bjarni> reverse the order of those two lines :p 18:16:36 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: yes, peter1138 and mart3p (or whatever his name is. He is never on IRC, only the forum) 18:17:12 <AsterixMG> wb Bjarni :) 18:18:17 <Bjarni> that updated diff looks better 18:18:26 <Bjarni> no longer INVALID_STATION 18:18:31 <Bjarni> :p 18:18:33 <AsterixMG> :) 18:18:56 <Sacro> hmm ^yapf/* have no doxygen stuff 18:18:59 <Bjarni> it's always easy to spot something like that in other people's diff files, but never in your own for some reason 18:19:16 <Sacro> that suxxors 18:19:45 <AsterixMG> im not sure if that CARGO_MASK_ALL is in the right spot there, but moving it elsewhere shouldn't be too much of a problem later ;) 18:21:11 <Bjarni> VehicleListOptions <-- sounds like it belongs in vehicle_gui.h 18:22:19 <Bjarni> CARGO_MASK_ALL <-- that one needs to be moved... but I don't know where it should be 18:22:25 <AsterixMG> then i can't include it in vehiclelist_d 18:22:27 <Bjarni> at least not right now 18:22:36 <Bjarni> hmm 18:22:52 <Bjarni> good point 18:23:17 <AsterixMG> but im open for suggestions, where i could include it elsewhere :) 18:23:59 <Bjarni> in a newly created file called cargo_masks.h :P 18:24:25 <AsterixMG> my first attempt included it in the window itself, but thats stupid as non-listwindows don't have to know about the listoptions :) 18:27:20 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp83-237-234-150.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:33:37 *** jnmbk [~jnmbk@81.213.70.58] has joined #openttd 18:35:05 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6240 /trunk/vehicle_gui.c: 18:35:05 <CIA-2> -Code cleanup: in PlayerVehWndProc: replaced size_of_row with w->resize.step_height 18:35:05 <CIA-2> it was only used twice, so there was no reason to calculate it for each event 18:38:06 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:41:03 <jnmbk> hi, I have a strange problem with ttd's midi files. I put them in their place and started ottd normally. Sound was ok but there was no music. When I close ottd, I hear just the beginning part of ttd music for a second. And when I run ottd again immediately after closing, the music continues normally. (timidty server seems ok) Is there a way to make music work on the first run? 18:42:50 *** e1ko_AfK is now known as e1ko 18:49:36 *** Ammler [~Ammler@24-244.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:55:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8293F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:55:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:56:08 *** jnmbk [~jnmbk@81.213.70.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:41 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-111.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host254-236.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host112-232.pool879.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 19:06:19 <izhirahider> Bjarni, Revision 6240 gives me an error in vehicle_gui 'size_of_row' undeclared in function 'PlayerVehWndProc' 19:06:23 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 19:10:15 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6241 /trunk/vehicle_gui.c: -Fix r6240: missed altering one line in last commit 19:10:20 <Bjarni> izhirahider: same here 19:10:26 <Bjarni> we noticed at the same time 19:10:26 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:38 <AsterixMG> :) 19:10:50 <Bjarni> try again 19:11:03 <Bjarni> after updating to head revision again, that is ;) 19:11:20 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, you should try compiling before transmitting ;) 19:12:11 <izhirahider> Bjarni, fixed. 19:12:20 <Bjarni> I did, but then I spotted a line I didn't need and then I guess I forgot to compile again after removing it 19:12:21 <Bjarni> ooops 19:13:16 <Bjarni> it happens once in a while and I'm not the only one to have done that 19:13:30 <Bjarni> the trunk is the "unstable" source after all :p 19:15:06 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 19:15:36 <MeusH> Darkvater, are you home? :) 19:18:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:23:23 <MeusH> ouch! 19:23:29 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 19:24:14 <Bjarni> now it will be interesting to see MeusH return and tell us what not to do because it hurts 19:24:36 * AsterixMG was thinking the same right now :) 19:25:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8293F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:49 <AsterixMG> lets see, what errors i already included in my code... trying to compile ;) 19:26:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:27:45 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has left #openttd [] 19:30:33 <AsterixMG> damn, GetWaypoint is not known in vehicle_gui.c :/ 19:35:21 *** TronBSD is now known as Tron 19:39:52 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust480.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:41:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [icebears... take care of them!] 19:42:22 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6242 /trunk/ (vehicle_gui.c vehicle_gui.h): 19:42:22 <CIA-2> -Codechange: made BuildVehicleList static as it is not used in any other files anymore 19:42:22 <CIA-2> added window_type to arguments and used it to replace an if cascade with a switch case 19:42:27 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 19:43:07 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: sounds like a missing header ;) 19:43:45 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, yes, station.h and depot.h are already included, but not waypoint.h :) 19:44:49 <Bjarni> well, we always notice these things when compiling 19:44:49 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, that last commit might break my code :/ lets see :) 19:44:55 <Bjarni> much faster than manual checking 19:44:58 <Tron> Bjarni: SortVehicleList() 19:45:21 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: You have the urge to do some accounting...] 19:46:35 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:49 *** Netsplit iridium.oftc.net <-> xenon.oftc.net quits: wollviech, Patrick`, Naksu, +michi_cc, dfox, XeryusTC 19:47:59 *** Netsplit iridium.oftc.net <-> nova.oftc.net quits: Zr40, @orudge, stillunknown, pv2b, KritiK, Turski, mikk36, Wolfy, @Bjarni, guru3, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 19:48:10 *** Netsplit over, joins: KritiK, @Belugas, Zr40, @orudge, thgergo, Turski, @Bjarni, stillunknown, mikk36, Wolfy (+3 more) 19:48:15 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has joined #openttd 19:48:23 *** Netsplit over, joins: Patrick`, XeryusTC, +michi_cc, wollviech, Naksu, dfox 19:48:28 *** mode/#openttd [+nt] by ChanServ 19:49:15 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, window_type is uint16? are there that much bits left for additional types? 19:49:28 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@85.119.91.2] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.5/2006073115]] 19:49:48 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6243 /trunk/ (vehicle_gui.c vehicle_gui.h): -Codechange: made SortVehicleList() static as well since that one is not used in any other files either (Thanks Tron for pointing this out) 19:52:30 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:40 <Bjarni> ok, who farted? 19:55:18 * MaulingMonkey whistles nonchalantly. 19:56:35 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:57:53 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: no, it only uses 3 bits, but using uint16 allows code like "window_type == (flag from vehicle_gui.h)" 19:58:13 <hylje> liek zomg 19:58:26 <Bjarni> who farted? 19:58:35 <Bjarni> everybody left :( 19:59:10 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust480.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:22 <Belugas> i 'm still here, guarding the post 19:59:28 <Belugas> and drinking coffee 19:59:43 <Bjarni> yeah 19:59:46 <Bjarni> you didn't leave 19:59:49 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387EC0E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:00:17 <Bjarni> you were together with me and the 11 others while all the yellow bellied bastards ran off 20:00:55 <MaulingMonkey> heh 20:00:55 <glx> no you moved, I stay 20:02:42 <Belugas> i guess it is a relativity thing, depending of the point of observation :) 20:03:46 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, are there two more bits for window_types left? 20:04:13 <Bjarni> it's not a bitmask 20:04:21 <Bjarni> it got 3 bits, that's 8 possible windows 20:04:35 <Bjarni> 3 is in use, so there are 5 left 20:04:36 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 20:05:07 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:27 <AsterixMG> ah, sorry, i misunderstood :) thought its a bitmask and got confused :P 20:05:53 <Bjarni> a bitmask with 3 bits would be of little use for expansion :P 20:06:02 <hylje> a bitmask of 1 bit 20:06:04 <hylje> win 20:06:16 <Bjarni> now that's with expansion in mind 20:06:20 <Bjarni> great thinking hylje 20:06:29 <hylje> ty ty 20:06:51 <Bjarni> you just qualified for Microsoft 20:07:21 <hylje> liek zomg. 20:09:02 <CIA-2> glx * r6244 /trunk/strgen/strgen.c: -Fix: allow any order for strgen parameters 20:10:03 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:11:08 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:16:20 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:18:32 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:56 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 20:27:54 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:44 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 20:30:47 <MeusH> hi 20:30:51 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 20:30:51 <MeusH> !logs 20:31:56 <MeusH> !seen Darkvater 20:31:57 <_42_> MeusH, if you can't see Darkvater here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 20:32:05 <MeusH> -__- 20:32:10 <MeusH> !seen Darkvate* 20:32:11 <_42_> MeusH, I found one match to your query: Darkvater. Darkvater (~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl) was last seen joining #openttd 1 day 3 hours 6 minutes ago (29.08. 17:25). Darkvater is still there. 20:32:22 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:32:23 <MeusH> damn 20:33:20 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 20:33:59 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [] 20:35:07 <AsterixMG> MeusH, was your "ouch" earlier about yourself banging your head against the wall because you were too blind to see him being online? :P 20:35:41 <MeusH> no, I just knew something will go wrong with my net connection 20:36:17 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:38:28 <Bjarni> why? 20:38:42 <Bjarni> you spotted a rat eating your cable? 20:39:20 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 20:43:29 <Bjarni> I just had a really weird issue. The game crashed each time I tried to generate a map even though I didn't touch the code it crashed in 20:43:37 <Bjarni> make clean; make fixed it 20:43:52 <Wolf01> meush, do you have an average of 7 seconds of lag, 38kbps of speed but a dsl connection? 20:43:55 <Bjarni> now it works each time and before it failed each time 20:44:33 <Bjarni> Wolf01: that's even worse than an analogue modem :P 20:45:10 <Wolf01> saturday will come one of my isp's technician 20:46:09 <Wolf01> and like the other 8, he will agree with me that there is nothing to do in my home 20:47:29 <MeusH> Wolf01, no, but I have a T1 with a download of 386 kbit/s, up 220kbit/s and a ping of 330 ms :| 20:47:51 <MeusH> of course I don't belive numion, because my net speed varies. a lot 20:48:07 <MeusH> a month ago I had 40kbit/s download and no upload at all 20:48:23 * peter1138 updates and marvels at the number of commits in one day 20:48:25 <MeusH> and my network provider says he didn't touch anything 20:49:37 <Wolf01> luckily my isp is the company that own the wires and the plants 20:49:58 <Wolf01> so they can do something, but the question is: they want? 20:50:36 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.147.227] has joined #openttd 20:50:37 <peter1138> is there an alternative provider? 20:50:50 <peter1138> if not, then you're probably screwed :/ 20:51:00 <Bjarni> * peter1138 updates and marvels at the number of commits in one day <-- I'm not done yet 20:51:19 <Wolf01> yes, but they have to rent the lines from my one 20:51:21 <peter1138> stop it 20:51:27 <peter1138> it's too much on a 52k connection! 20:54:00 <AsterixMG> :) 20:55:43 <Wolf01> 'night all 20:55:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host112-232.pool879.interbusiness.it] has quit [] 20:56:47 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:53 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: http://iThought.dk/ ] 21:03:29 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.4/2006072904]] 21:10:38 <CIA-2> KUDr * r6245 /trunk/yapf/ (follow_track.cpp yapf.h): -Add: added comments for all YAPF C interface functions (yapf.h) used by other modules, added FollowTrackInit() into YAPF track followers. 21:12:10 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B36C3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:07 <MeusH> goodnight 21:16:15 <MeusH> bye Bjarni 21:16:16 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 21:17:40 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36960.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:52 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:17:57 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@160.114.159.99] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:06 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 21:18:09 <Belugas_Gone> bye everyone 21:18:27 <KUDr> gn 21:18:42 *** Spoco- [Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 21:23:58 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:24:13 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 21:24:13 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36C3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:19 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36C3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:03 *** Rens2Intarweb [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 21:25:45 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, if you have some time, you might want to look at this: http://mitglied.lycos.de/kuttler/ottd/BuildVehicleList_3.diff 21:26:31 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: <!--#Exec cmd='Quit'-->] 21:26:35 <AsterixMG> note that it does not work yet and its not completely finished ;) 21:26:43 <Tefad> oh, also guys.. i moved my personal channel to this network too 21:26:52 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:54 <Tefad> freenode just spammed gentoo.. wee. 21:28:10 *** Ammler [~Ammler@224.158.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 21:28:20 <ln-> so it did 21:28:21 <lws1984> whoo 21:30:35 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:12 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6246 /trunk/ (7 files): 21:39:12 <CIA-2> -Feature: added the many times requested "send all vehicle to depot" button 21:39:12 <CIA-2> it's located in the vehicle list screen and does the same as in the shared orders window (send all vehicles in list to a depot) 21:39:12 <CIA-2> it will still not inform the player if a vehicle failed to find a depot, so don't take for granted that all of them go 21:39:30 <Bjarni> peter1138: here you go. This is my attempt to overload your connection :P 21:39:49 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: WORK!] 21:44:00 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC553E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:27 *** zcram [~zcram@88.196.155.96] has quit [Quit: And off he went.] 21:45:40 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: sorry, but I'm not really in the mood for diff reading right now :s 21:45:48 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:46:04 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, nvm... i just found out it wont work like i planned :) 21:46:11 <Bjarni> :P 21:46:43 <AsterixMG> your storing vehicle-type in window-number only allows one type per window :/ 21:47:15 <ln-> let me paste you some lilo spam: 21:47:18 <ln-> 00:45 [freenode] -lilo(i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin)- [Global Notice] Hi all. Apologies for our staffer's global notice a bit earlier, she got a bit too enthusiastic about a new software release. :) Thanks for your understanding. :) 21:47:20 <Bjarni> that sounds like my 3rd patch I wrote. I never gave it to anybody because I learned half way through it that it had a design flaw, that resulted in the fact that it would never work 21:47:57 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, well, my diff works for the global lists, but not yet for the station-lists :) 21:48:04 <Bjarni> <AsterixMG> your storing vehicle-type in window-number only allows one type per window :/ <-- then we can move it if needed 21:48:56 <Bjarni> <AsterixMG> Bjarni, well, my diff works for the global lists, but not yet for the station-lists :) <-- I work on one list at a time. Once it works, I commit it and moves on to the next one 21:49:02 <Bjarni> just like last commit 21:49:08 <Bjarni> I will move on to the next list 21:49:28 <Bjarni> and in like two commits, all lists will have a send all vehicles in list to depot 21:50:03 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, the problem is: currently the stationlists are empty :P 21:50:18 <Bjarni> ahh 21:50:25 <Bjarni> been there, tried that 21:50:45 <AsterixMG> i was too blind, well i will correct it tomorrow :) 21:50:48 <Bjarni> with patches in progress, you get all sorts of weird issues 21:51:11 <Bjarni> you are so blind, that you didn't notice that the list is empty? 21:51:37 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, well i saw the list is empty, but i didn'tz see why in the first place :) 21:51:53 <Bjarni> my last commit... before I committed that patch, I solved a bug in it. Nomatter what list I used to click on the button, it sent all ships to depots 21:52:30 <Bjarni> please send all trains to depots... good.. Ships: go home to depots 21:52:30 <AsterixMG> after stepping through i found out it cant work if i try to find a vehicle-type that doesn't even exist :) 21:52:43 <AsterixMG> lol 21:53:33 <Bjarni> took me a while to figure out why it went wrong. I just tested it for ships and it worked and the same code failed for RVs 21:53:48 <Bjarni> the code was too much the same :P 21:54:29 <AsterixMG> hehe... i hope i didn't make a mistake while copying/pasting :) 21:55:23 <Bjarni> tip: if you copy paste VEH_Ship into train_*, then you might want to at least read the code again to see if it should be changed 21:56:13 *** nvz [~nvz@wv-mgtnwv-cad1-grp3a-3-167.pittpa.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:22 <AsterixMG> and there still is one thing i dont really like... i now have 3 times nearly the same code in BuildVehicleList, thats something i want to change, too :) 21:57:00 <nvz> I just founf out about TTD and openTTD browsing the reactOS page and seen a screenshot of it and have become quite interested in the project 21:57:14 <Bjarni> nice 21:57:21 <Bjarni> interested enough to start coding? 21:57:21 <nvz> I was wondering if there is a free data set available or in the works 21:57:23 <nvz> heh 21:57:39 <nvz> depends.. I am not much of a coder but maybe I could do something 21:58:04 <nvz> I cant do anything with it if it requires commercial data files because I never even heard of the game much less know where to get it 21:58:29 <Bjarni> you could go out on the net, find all the free vehicle sets and so on and merge them together to a complete set of graphics so the game becomes free 21:58:37 <Bjarni> we wanted to do that for more than 2 years now 21:58:44 <Bjarni> yet nobody did it so far 21:58:48 <nvz> I am into simulation type games and I hate lincity I am looking for more games like this and want to get them into my OS of choice (debian) 21:59:31 <nvz> lincity is a piss poor sim city spinoff IMO but this game looks decent 22:00:14 <nvz> maybe I could help in the area of working on the free data and perhaps trying to get this in the official debian repos :P 22:01:07 <Bjarni> actually I think that would be quite a task 22:01:18 <AsterixMG> btw, Bjarni do you know what happened to alltakens attempt to replace all graphics by new ones? 22:01:23 <Bjarni> there is a reason why nobody have done it so far even though many people have talked about it 22:01:50 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: yeah... they are still drawing 32 bit sprites, but it lacks a 32 bit display engine 22:02:00 <AsterixMG> :) 22:02:15 <Prof_Frink> nvz: there's troubles beyond the non-Free data for getting into Debian 22:02:17 <Bjarni> they are graphic artists, not coders 22:02:29 <AsterixMG> weren't there at least 2 attempts to make a 32-bit engine? :) 22:02:45 <Bjarni> I think egladil is still working on his attempt 22:02:46 <nvz> Prof_Frink: really? I wasnt considering getting the non-free data into debian I was considering making it all free so it could be in main 22:03:10 <nvz> Prof_Frink: you are saying it doesnt qualify as DFSG contrib software as-is right now? 22:03:18 <Bjarni> nvz: somebody tried to get it added at one time and they rejected it 22:04:33 <nvz> yeah well I can see why its being regected most games in debian even ones that use non-free data at least come with some sort of playable data either a free alternative or a packge in non-free you cant get something in debian that is useless 22:05:02 <nvz> it has to be stable and playable to make it 22:05:19 <Bjarni> we got very stable and very playable releases 22:05:45 <nvz> I'd like to at least try it but the site leads me to believe I need to own this game to get the data files 22:05:57 <Bjarni> yeah 22:05:58 <nvz> and the game must be old, I've never even heard of it 22:06:05 <ln-> well the `cat' is unusable if you don't provide your own data to it. 22:06:11 <nvz> heh 22:06:13 <Bjarni> and to get it, you need to travel 10 years back in time to buy it :( 22:06:24 <nvz> ln-: thats just being rediculous :P 22:06:51 <nvz> er 22:06:53 <Bjarni> he lowered himself to the same level as some of the arguments in the rejection 22:06:55 <nvz> ridiculous 22:07:24 *** sayno [~sayno@ppp-168-253-18-7.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:07:24 <nvz> we had a discussion about my spelling of that yesturday.. but its habbit.. thats how we talk in pittsburghese 22:07:38 <nvz> we certainly dont say ridiculous 22:07:42 <ln-> i'm trying to prevent the discussion from extending to Those Topics We Don't Speak Of. 22:07:46 <Bjarni> "the game contains stolen ASM code"... the game is written in C and is CPU independent. Now how is it that you write CPU independent ASM code? :) 22:07:52 *** sjm_ [~simon@bollo.16hz.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:57 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B63EC9.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:28 <Bjarni> oh, you are from Pittsburg 22:08:40 <Bjarni> is it nice to breath acid? 22:09:00 <nvz> Bjarni: it seems imparitive that the free data be developed then if the game isnt even sold anymore and its required or this project will suffer 22:09:01 *** Guest56 [Gono@N855P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:09:41 <Prof_Frink> nvz: it's easily 'obtainable' 22:09:56 <nvz> Prof_Frink: how so? 22:10:17 <Prof_Frink> tt-forums.net, topic 3407 22:10:18 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:10:28 <Bjarni> 0.4.7 got more than 100.000 downloads for windows alone. I refuse to believe that so many people got the game lying at home and found this game online 22:10:35 <AsterixMG> there's lots of sites that offer games they call "abandon-ware"... 22:11:20 <Bjarni> abandonware is not a legal term, but more like "the software is so old, so the copyright holder is either out of business or don't care" 22:11:29 <Bjarni> in theory they can be sued 22:11:39 <Bjarni> but I don't think that ever happened 22:11:51 <AsterixMG> i didn't say its a legal term... its the term such sites usually use 22:12:02 <Bjarni> I know 22:12:11 <nvz> right. it just doesnt seem like a good state for a project to be in freecraft project has a free data set and seems like its dying off 22:12:23 <Bjarni> I just told that they tend to contain incorrect info 22:13:05 <ln-> Bjarni: a random site on the INTERNET claims that: "Abandonware sites get sued and shutdown all the time, for having ancient warez online." 22:13:19 <Bjarni> ok 22:13:29 <Bjarni> I'm not sure that's correct, but ok 22:13:46 <ln-> it's on the internet, it's true. 22:13:47 <Bjarni> don't trust what you read on random sites on the internet :P 22:13:53 <AsterixMG> well, theres probably some lawyers that try to make money sueing such sites ;) 22:14:03 <nvz> It cant be that hard to do.. my cousin went to PTI and IADT for art and hasnt done shit with it I've been trying to get him involved in one of these projects.. I suggested supertux because its making good progress and has good direction and even sketches of whats comming 22:14:28 <nvz> but this looks like a project that really needs it and the game seems like its pretty cool to me 22:14:50 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N787P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:45 <AsterixMG> there's already some people that make new graphics, but they are 32 bit and ottd does not support 32 bit (yet) 22:16:04 <nvz> yeah well gotta start somewhere :P 22:16:06 <ln-> are we talking about drawing new graphics that are 8-bit and exactly the size of the current ones, or drawing something completely new which would require changing the graphics rendering system too? 22:16:12 <Bjarni> <ln-> it's on the internet, it's true. <-- so if I write on my homepage that it's legal to distribute all software online, then it would be true? 22:16:16 <nvz> a journey of 1000 miles starts under your feet they say 22:16:23 <ln-> Bjarni: definitely. 22:17:20 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 22:17:24 <nvz> ln-: if the graphic rendering system is so out dated then maybe its time.. but in any case its not a hard operation to lower color depth and change size of an image just to get it to work with hte current engine 22:17:29 <Bjarni> one guy once told me that p2p made pirating software legal because you didn't get the whole file from the same server and piracy is when you got all of it. If you only take half of it, then it's legal because it's useless 22:17:44 <Bjarni> he read that online 22:17:58 <nvz> heh 22:18:19 <ln-> nvz: i think it's harder than you think. 22:18:35 <nvz> ln-: probably is but how would I know I cant even see the game in action 22:18:41 <Bjarni> I think such urban myths are started by people, who don't care and wants to be able to download as much as possible 22:18:57 <Bjarni> also they can disappear into the crowd and is less likely to be caught 22:19:21 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:19:43 <grimrc1> hi all; so I was playing pengupop and I thrashed this guy and he calls me a 'stupid monkey' 22:19:53 <Darkvater> ehm glx ! 22:19:55 <nvz> it seems to me like we got a good solid game here with countless improvements to the old commercial version and a decent sized development team.. and the project seems to have some really high priorty needs all you need is some more attention and people to help 22:20:02 <glx> Darkvater ? 22:20:35 <ln-> you cannot simply scale bigger graphics to smaller size, because the current sprites are made pixel-by-pixel so that they fit together with the other sprites. 22:20:36 <Darkvater> tell me, what does strgen do now if you pass it an argument it doesn't know??? 22:20:51 <nvz> I am not sure I alone can make take this and make it 100% DFSG free and package it by tomorrow but maybe I can start taking some steps in the right direction 22:20:53 <AsterixMG> nvz, theres some info about gfx-development in the wiki: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/GFXDev:Main_Page 22:21:22 <Bjarni> we should start by taking what we can in the newgrf sets 22:21:28 <Darkvater> glx: or that is included in the "fix" 22:21:35 <Bjarni> then we got all the vehicles we need 22:21:35 <nvz> ln-: my programming skills are about as outdated as this TTD game so I am understanding how sprites work :P 22:21:42 <glx> Darkvater: infinite loop it seems :( 22:21:47 <Darkvater> obviously 22:21:48 <nvz> that much isnt foreign to me 22:22:39 <Bjarni> Darkvater, glx: LOL, that shows that you should also test your patches for invalid input... a thing we almost always forget :P 22:22:46 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:48 <Darkvater> can't seem to see a reason why strgen had to be changed 22:23:02 <Darkvater> the amount of times it was used manually, the fixed parameter order worked perfectly 22:23:13 <Bjarni> nvz: is your skills so outdated that they can handle palette animation? 22:23:15 <nvz> I used to make little 8bit sprite games all the time when I was a kid then programming got more complicated and I gave up :P 22:23:47 *** Rens2Intarweb [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:52 <Bjarni> how old are you? 22:23:55 <nvz> 23 22:23:59 <Bjarni> 8 bit as a kid... 22:24:11 <Bjarni> I started with less 22:24:21 <Bjarni> on a Commodore 64 22:24:28 <nvz> yeah well me too I started making like text adventures before I learned sprites :P 22:24:33 <ln-> i didn't have bits at all as a kid. 22:24:38 <AsterixMG> hehe, i started on a c16 :P 22:24:52 <nvz> I programed mostly on the IIC and Qbasic on dos :P 22:25:04 <nvz> Apple II was a nightmare 22:25:23 <Bjarni> OSX really rocks as a development platform 22:25:24 <AsterixMG> imagine a computer with 16 KiloByte Memory in total 22:25:34 <Bjarni> but earlier versions of MacOS... 22:25:56 *** sjm_ [~simon@bollo.16hz.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:26:00 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: sounds like a cheap microcontroller 22:26:50 <nvz> The TI-99/4a was probably the first machine I ever wrote a program on and that was a very shitty basic interpreter with like no way to save 22:27:13 <nvz> they probably had disk drives for them but all I had was the cartridge slot 22:28:08 <Darkvater> Bjarni: r6246: the most blatant misuse of enums I've seen so far 22:28:15 <Darkvater> const uint subtype = (type != VEH_Aircraft) ? Train_Front : 2; 22:28:48 <nvz> o.O 22:28:51 <Bjarni> copy paste from vehicle_gui.c 22:29:12 <Darkvater> try a bit less copy&paste in the future :). Might help with the code 22:29:17 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 22:29:41 <Darkvater> and tell me 22:29:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-152-55.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:30:01 <lws1984> Sacro! 22:30:03 <Darkvater> isn't SendAllVehiclesToDepot() the same for flags&dc_exec exactly the same? 22:30:14 <Darkvater> short of the single handling of docommand? 22:30:16 <Sacro> well...that film was...interesting 22:30:20 <Sacro> lws1984! 22:30:24 <Bjarni> --> Sacro (~ben@ <-- haha, read that and thought "why is Sacro banned... oh wait" :D 22:30:37 <Sacro> ? 22:30:44 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 22:30:44 <Sacro> !logs 22:31:34 <grimrc1> what film? 22:32:03 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> isn't SendAllVehiclesToDepot() the same for flags&dc_exec exactly the same? <-- no, without DC_EXEC, it stops at the first vehicle where it works because the function is valid if it is valid for at least one 22:32:08 <Sacro> grimrc1: mofo snakes on a mofo plane 22:32:09 <Bjarni> no need to try to find more 22:32:21 <grimrc1> Sacro: sounds pornographic 22:32:29 <CIA-2> glx * r6247 /trunk/strgen/strgen.c: -Fix(r6244): invalid arguments caused infinite loop 22:32:30 <Sacro> grimrc1: heh, there was a VERY NICE breast shot 22:32:43 <Darkvater> Bjarni: so putting a return there is impossible? 22:32:57 <Bjarni> so Sacro watched porn all night? 22:33:06 <Sacro> Bjarni: no, snakes on a plane 22:33:12 <Darkvater> in vehicle_gui.c:1407 put the opening brackets after the switch statement like everywhere else 22:33:13 <glx> Darkvater: sorry I forgot to credit you 22:33:38 <Bjarni> <glx> Darkvater: sorry I forgot to credit you <-- we are good at that :P 22:33:50 <Sacro> nvz: please dont write long sentances, it doesnt fit the width of my screen when log viewing :( 22:34:00 <nvz> Sacro: hah 22:34:30 <Bjarni> Sacro: then get a better log viewer 22:34:34 <Bjarni> or a bigger monitor 22:34:37 <Sacro> hmm, i wonder if you type <br /> whether you get it on 2 lines 22:34:45 <Bjarni> try the cheapest solution first 22:34:46 <Sacro> seems not 22:34:53 <Sacro> Bjarni: im using firefox 22:34:54 <nvz> in most channels I frequent its frowned upon using enter in place of punctuation. 22:35:19 <Bjarni> that only happened here once 22:35:23 <Sacro> we frown on a lot of things in here 22:35:26 <Bjarni> a guy used enter instead of space 22:35:31 <Bjarni> really annoying 22:35:32 <Sacro> i 22:35:32 <Sacro> can 22:35:33 <Sacro> see 22:35:35 <Sacro> why 22:35:49 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [ok, now it happened 2 times] 22:35:58 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-152-55.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:36:26 <Sacro> :D Sacro1 wasn't very popular, getting kicked 16 times! 22:36:35 <Sacro> im in the lead 22:37:06 <grimrc1> where's it say your count? 22:37:30 <Sacro> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/stats 22:37:37 <grimrc1> heh cool 22:37:51 <Sacro> only 320 words away from beating Darkvater 22:38:32 <Sacro> no, thats lines 22:39:00 <nvz> you use pisg in here? 22:39:01 <Sacro> eh, Brianetta not seen for 83 days, that cant be right 22:39:29 <grimrc1> I talk too much; I'm mentioned at the bottom of the 'most active' 22:40:20 * Sacro is 5th 22:40:43 <Sacro> and my wrist hurts :( 22:41:05 <nvz> heh 22:41:57 <nvz> yeah I irc alot but mostly just in #debian on here and freenode 22:42:14 <nvz> we have a pisg for #debian on freenode 22:42:38 <Sacro> #archlinux ftw 22:43:16 <nvz> if you looked at my stats over the past few years you'd have to wonder why my writst havent just broken 22:43:53 <Sacro> if you look at my history, you'd wonder the same 22:44:08 <Darkvater> glx: as long as it works 22:44:56 * AsterixMG goes to bed now 22:45:06 <AsterixMG> n8 @all 22:45:10 <nvz> for 2004 I ranked 13 out of 40695 22:45:18 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081902A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:45:34 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6248 /website/ (images/dedicated.gif style.css templates/servers.tpl): [Website] -Change the tabular data of the server list into partly DIV and CSS 22:45:34 <nvz> I've been less active the past two years just because of moving around so much and not having internet at times 22:46:48 * Sacro goes to look at Darkvater's handywork 22:46:52 <nvz> about the line length though I average around 80 chars per line and if our pisg went by words instead of lines I would be 1 all across the board 22:48:24 <nvz> I should probably get to bed too I got to work tonight and I feel tired 22:48:36 <Sacro> im working tommorow :( 22:49:21 <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> meush, do you have an average of 7 seconds of lag, 38kbps of speed but a dsl connection? <- that pretty much describes my connection ;) 22:49:28 <nvz> maybe I'll get hold of an abandoned copy of this game and get to have a look at it 22:49:49 * Sacro has an abandoned copy 22:51:53 <Darkvater> Sacro: how bad is it? ;) 22:53:09 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust480.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:53:23 <Sacro> ooh, 1 error, 25 warnings 22:53:38 <Sacro> no, that was something else 22:53:49 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/newhouses_action04_437.diff looks nice 22:54:24 <Sacro> Darkvater: this.docShell has no properties 22:54:32 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:19 <Darkvater> meh? 22:55:41 <Sacro> javascripty error i reckon 22:55:44 <Sacro> from firebug 22:55:51 <Darkvater> there is no javascript 22:55:54 <Darkvater> I think 22:56:17 <Darkvater> ah ok, only google ad 22:56:33 <Sacro> ah yes, they kill code :( 22:58:15 <Darkvater> he I got the funniest email today 22:58:25 <Darkvater> Hi i saw the new screenies and i wondered: 22:58:25 <Darkvater> is that all nightly content? Its not in openttd 0.4.8 i guess? 22:58:40 <Darkvater> now tell me..should this guy be allowed onto the streets? 23:00:21 <Sacro> heh, belive me, ive seen worse on the streets 23:00:34 <Sacro> he was driving me and mates to the cinema 23:01:47 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6249 /trunk/ (vehicle.c vehicle_gui.c): 23:01:47 <CIA-2> -Fix: fixed assert when pressing goto depot in an empty list (forgot to disable the button in this condition) 23:01:47 <CIA-2> -Code cleanup r6246: simplified SendAllVehiclesToDepot() and moved an { in PlayerVehWndProc() 23:02:11 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust480.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 23:02:46 <Bjarni> Darkvater: here you go 23:05:07 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 23:07:17 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:16 <Belugas_Gone> Sacro, where is that newhouse action linked to? 23:08:23 <Belugas_Gone> is my old patch been rvisited?? 23:09:26 <Sacro> Belugas_Gone: its in the dev forum 23:09:49 <Sacro> :o BUILD YOUR OWN THEREMIN :d 23:10:47 <Darkvater> Bjarni: can you tell me why CmdSendTrainToDepot returns either 0 or CMD_ERROR in the case of an error 23:10:54 <Darkvater> depending on bit1 being set? 23:11:05 <Darkvater> doesn't it fail in either case? 23:11:06 <Belugas_Gone> tx Sacro 23:11:44 <Sacro> Belugas_Gone: your welcome 23:12:06 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:12:19 <Darkvater> if I send a train to a depot with mass-orders if it is not a train it should say so (return CMD_ERROR) not silence it 23:16:23 *** Ajcon [~ajcon2@83.145.59.26] has joined #openttd 23:16:35 *** Ajcon [~ajcon2@83.145.59.26] has quit [] 23:18:29 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:18:44 <Bjarni> Darkvater: if it always returned CMD_ERROR in case of a failure, then if one vehicle fails to find a depot, then the shared orders goto depot would fail for all vehicles in the list 23:18:56 <Bjarni> I realised a better way to solve this and is working on that one right now 23:19:29 <Bjarni> it will go back to CMD_ERROR for all failures 23:19:34 <Darkvater> Bjarni: it needs to return a failure if it cannot send a vehicle to the depot 23:19:44 <Darkvater> the higher function needs to handle the intricacies 23:20:52 <Bjarni> the shared orders calls the function recursively. If the first one fails to find a depot and it returns CMD_ERROR, then the others will not even try 23:21:01 <Bjarni> but as I said, I found a better way 23:21:06 <Bjarni> it just needs time to be coded 23:22:09 <Darkvater> all good and well, try to think of it earlier and that'll save rewriting the code multiple times on the same day 23:22:13 <Darkvater> :) 23:22:41 <Bjarni> it will not be done today 23:22:51 <Bjarni> [01:22] <-- o_O 23:22:59 <Bjarni> didn't realise how true that was when I said it 23:24:51 <Bjarni> just checked my code for memory leaks 23:24:54 <Bjarni> didn't have any 23:24:57 <Bjarni> but... 23:25:06 <Bjarni> init NPF leaks 70k 23:25:06 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6250 /website/ (style.css templates/nightly.tpl templates/server_detail.tpl): [Website] -Fix some minor things. Typo, unclosed <p> 23:26:02 <Bjarni> and the 139k leak ended up as also an init NPF thing 23:26:16 * Darkvater points at blathijs 23:26:40 <Bjarni> there are a few minor leaks as well 23:27:29 <Bjarni> there is also a leak around 100 bytes in some other code 23:27:51 <Bjarni> sorry 400 bytes 23:27:59 <Bjarni> init_BinaryHeap 23:28:04 <Bjarni> whatever that is 23:28:09 <Darkvater> blathijs 23:28:21 <Darkvater> cheers all, see ya tomorrow 23:29:04 <Sacro> night Darkvater 23:29:26 * Sacro looks at the Dell XPS 700 23:30:41 <Bjarni> ok, now I leaked 8 bytes from the code I tried to see if I could get to leak 23:30:53 <Bjarni> I did that before committing ;) 23:31:00 <Bjarni> I mean tested it 23:31:08 <Bjarni> now I know that's not the way to solve this 23:31:33 * Sacro reads "For hard drives, TB means 1 trillion bytes; actual capacity varies with preloaded material and operating environment and will be less." and deciedes that Dell are indeed useless 23:32:03 <Sacro> hmm, now thats 1, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 23:32:19 <Sacro> i think 23:33:00 <Sacro> "Trillion, a large number" according to wikipedia 23:33:23 <Sacro> the number that comes after 999,999,999,999 and before 1,000,000,000,001 23:33:28 <Bjarni> Dell got a low performance/price radio :/ 23:33:29 <Sacro> ooh, informative 23:34:05 <Bjarni> some of their computers are cheap, but they are shit 23:34:21 <Bjarni> they are expensive compared to price 23:34:59 <Sacro> yeah, thats why im looking at other places 23:35:06 <Sacro> i was looking at Mesh, but ive heard baaaaaaaaaaad things 23:35:56 <Bjarni> besides do you plan to buy new hardware? 23:36:07 <Eddi|zuHause> chances are, they did not mean the "real" trillion, but the "american" trillion 23:36:17 <Eddi|zuHause> which is about a million times less 23:36:22 <Bjarni> yeah, most likely 23:36:41 <Sacro> hmm "ducentillion" thats big 23:36:44 <Belugas_Gone> Maedhros ping 23:36:49 <Sacro> 10^603 23:37:10 <Bjarni> googol is even bigger 23:37:19 <Bjarni> that's 10^(one million) 23:37:37 <Bjarni> and it gave the name to google 23:37:40 <Sacro> Bjarni: no, googol is 10^100 23:37:54 <Bjarni> symbolising that you can find so many pages or something 23:38:00 <Sacro> and a googleplex is 10^10^100 23:39:39 <Maedhros> Belugas_Gone: hi 23:40:17 <Bjarni> In binary it would take up 333 bits <-- we don't need to store anything in OTTD in googol vars 23:40:29 <Bjarni> disagree and be kicked 23:40:44 <Belugas_Gone> hey Maedhros 23:40:54 <Belugas_Gone> i've seen the newhouse stuff you did 23:40:56 <Belugas_Gone> i like it 23:41:00 * Sacro thinks about it... 23:41:07 <Belugas_Gone> although there are quite some problems... 23:41:10 <Belugas_Gone> can you PM ? 23:41:53 <Maedhros> i can indeed :) 23:42:13 <Bjarni> trying to hide problems from me, eh? :) 23:42:38 <Bjarni> I don't consider you perfect even if you hide all your coding issues :P 23:44:40 <Sacro> :O OH WOW 23:44:47 <Sacro> http://www.selenic.com/googolplex.gz57 23:45:27 <Sacro> $ cat googolplex.gz57 |zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat|zcat 23:45:36 <Sacro> if you dare :P 23:49:02 * Bjarni simulates kicking Sacro 23:50:01 <Sacro> :o why 23:50:24 <Bjarni> would you rather have that I do it without any tests? 23:50:27 <Bjarni> ok, here it goes 23:50:43 * Sacro cries 23:50:51 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [trying without proper preparations] 23:51:12 <Bjarni> he will be back 23:51:19 <Bjarni> I think 23:51:27 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-152-55.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:51:34 <Bjarni> it worked :D 23:51:53 <Sacro> so it did 23:52:26 <Bjarni> you never know when you have to do it without time to simulate all possible outcomes first 23:53:18 <Sacro> im too tired to simulate 23:57:06 <Sacro> i think im gonna go upstairs and kick off a bit about how tired i am 23:57:23 <Bjarni> right now?