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00:06:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp83-237-234-156.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:19:17 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 00:20:06 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21:22 *** torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:22:53 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 00:31:29 *** torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: adios!] 00:46:41 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-144-131-90-235.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:58:22 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:16:48 <grimrc1> is there a way to separate the 2 train engines of a Lev4 (the front & rear one); when I try to move the rear one the depot complains that if always follows the front one, but I've got someone's savegame where there are Lev4 trains with a front engine, wagons but *no* rear engine 01:19:20 <pv2b> you can throw the rear engine in the trash 01:22:36 <grimrc1> it won't let me do that either; 'can't sell railway vehicle... always follows front'; I can only sell the whole thing by selling the front; I have R6288 though; will try with 0.4.8 01:27:21 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176096030.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:48 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36971.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:31 <grimrc1> doesn't let me sell the rear in 0.4.8 either 01:33:52 <grimrc1> the guy was using 0.4.7 though 01:37:36 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B373C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:41:08 *** Archwyrm [~archwyrm@ubercool.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #openttd 01:43:23 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACBC4E5E.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 02:04:47 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05:07 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:16:26 *** Frostregen72 [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-137-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:16:36 *** Frostregen92 [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-137-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:16:56 *** Frostregen72 is now known as Frostregen__ 02:23:45 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-141-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:23:45 *** Frostregen92 is now known as Frostregen 02:24:00 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-141-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:41:38 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 02:48:12 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:51:55 *** Jopps [~Jopps5@CPE-138-217-222-33.sa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:52:02 <Jopps> hello everyone 02:52:19 <Noldo> morning 02:52:44 <lws1984> evening 02:52:58 <Jopps> hey do you guys know about installing newgrf files in openttd? 02:53:01 *** mikk36_ [mikk36@pc63.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 02:53:06 <grimrc1> that's funny; some functions have 'normalize' in their name and others have the British spelling 'normalise' 02:54:26 <Jopps> isnt it open source maybe different people spelled it different ways 02:54:37 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:54:59 <glx> grimrc1: same for color and colour 02:55:15 <grimrc1> I vote for British spellings 02:55:37 <lws1984> aye 02:55:42 <Jopps> well aussies are nearly the same as british i think 02:55:51 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-193-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:55:59 <grimrc1> we could probably use macros and stuff to support both British and American spellings, to remove confusion, but it's not *that* important 02:56:17 <CIA-2> belugas * r6289 /trunk/ (newgrf.c newgrf_text.c): 02:56:17 <CIA-2> -Fix(r6108) : case 0x48 (generic text) should not have been set over newstations. 02:56:17 <CIA-2> It grabbed everyting. Instead, we are now using ids for that purpose, 0xC9, oxD0, 0xDC (FS#304 by Osai) 02:56:17 <CIA-2> - Protect newgrf text from entries of 1 char and fewer 02:56:17 <CIA-2> - Protect currency name from an overrun of ids 02:56:18 <CIA-2> Thanks to glx 02:56:20 <Jopps> anyway its lunch time here so ill be right back with a sanga lol 02:57:48 <grimrc1> a what? 02:58:42 *** mikk36[EST] [mikk36@pc251.host4.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:02:10 <Jopps> sandwhich i think you call it in the UK lol? 03:02:27 <Jopps> sanag is just slang 03:02:34 <Jopps> sanga* 03:02:51 <lws1984> sanga sounds like something from ikea 03:03:14 <Jopps> lol 03:03:15 <lws1984> The new Sangå desk, only .99 at IKEA! 03:03:17 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-199-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:03:51 <Jopps> lol 03:03:56 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:04:26 <Jopps> oi do you guys have some newgrf sets that add road vehicles? 03:04:48 <lws1984> aye, the British bus set 03:05:18 <Jopps> could you dcc it too me any others? 03:06:31 <lws1984> no 03:06:37 <Jopps> ? 03:06:45 <lws1984> but you can go to grfcrawler.tt-forums.net and find it yourself 03:06:55 <Jopps> k thanks 03:12:51 <Belugas_Gone> oups... 03:13:01 <Belugas_Gone> forgot a change 03:13:08 <Belugas_Gone> bah.. it can wait 03:13:51 <Jopps> um when i install these files it says i need ttdpatch does that mean i have to use that and not openttd? 03:14:25 <Belugas_Gone> You can use them with ottd 03:14:31 <Belugas_Gone> well... it depens. 03:14:36 <Belugas_Gone> some are not yet supported 03:14:46 <Belugas_Gone> what did you grabbed? 03:14:52 <Belugas_Gone> what version of ottd fo you have? 03:15:03 <Belugas_Gone> did you changed the openttd.cfg ? 03:15:16 <Jopps> http://george.zernebok.net/newgrf/downloads.html#dlv4 03:15:24 <Jopps> long road vehicles v4 03:15:44 <Jopps> the newest ottd just updated it 03:16:20 <Jopps> i havent changed oppenttd.cfg yet i dont really know how 03:17:22 <Jopps> do i put my .grf files in the transport tycoon folder or in openttd folder? 03:20:04 <Jopps> k ive found the folder to put them in is the data folder in oppenttd 03:20:24 <Jopps> now i just have to edit the openttd.cfg 03:20:34 <Belugas_Gone> yup, data folder. 03:20:54 <Belugas_Gone> edit openttd.grf, add the section [newgrf] 03:21:12 <Jopps> yep 03:21:16 <Jopps> done that 03:21:20 <Belugas_Gone> underneath, enter the exact same name as the grf you want to use 03:21:40 <Belugas_Gone> save (dhu...) 03:21:48 <Jopps> yep and ive put them in a folder called custom cause it said to do that on a site 03:21:49 <Belugas_Gone> restart ottd 03:22:09 <Belugas_Gone> in that case : "custom\name of the grf" 03:22:21 <Jopps> so is it custom/newgraf.grf 03:22:24 *** torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:22:30 <Jopps> yep thanks mate 03:22:39 <Belugas_Gone> np 03:23:44 <Jopps> what newgrf's do you have installed any youd recommend 03:24:20 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-144-131-90-235.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 03:26:33 <Jopps> hmm i just launched the game not sure if it was working? 03:29:43 <Belugas_Gone> would you believ me if i tell you i don't have any installed? 03:31:36 <Jopps> yep 03:32:14 <Jopps> i found a few that i tried to install a while back on my comp so i have heaps to try now anyway 03:33:50 <Jopps> brb gonna go try them 03:35:32 <Belugas_Gone> enjoy 03:36:15 <Jopps> hmm the only one that didnt work was the long road vehicles one i really want more road vehicles to choose 03:38:42 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 03:38:49 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 03:44:27 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 03:45:17 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:47:29 * Belugas_Gone goes to ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.......... 03:48:06 *** Jopps [~Jopps5@CPE-138-217-222-33.sa.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 03:54:41 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: sleeeeeep!] 03:59:41 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 04:06:26 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:42:15 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 04:44:22 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-231-230-95-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:48:55 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-231-230-95-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 04:49:02 *** Cassac [~cassac@c-186de353.010-13-6f736c3.cust.bredband.no] has joined #openttd 04:52:41 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:00:44 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7576D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:47 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7709D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:07:50 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 05:12:41 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 05:27:09 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 05:27:52 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-124.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:28:45 <eQualizer> Jahas, mitäs pillua. Tää kone on sammunu jo viime yönä! :O 05:29:44 <eQualizer> Oh, sorry, wrong channel. :D 05:29:50 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:32:29 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 05:35:18 <grimrc1> should wagons always have v->cur_speed == 0? 05:46:56 *** torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: adios!] 05:57:18 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-193-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 06:01:08 <peter1138> yeah, you can get the speed from the head enine 06:01:10 <peter1138> +g 06:01:14 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.147.227] has joined #openttd 06:02:22 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 06:09:50 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 06:10:16 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:10:16 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:10:25 *** Guest56 [Gono@N707P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 06:14:40 <grimrc1> peter1138: oh; I think this savegame must have wagons with nonzero current speed 06:16:07 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N910P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:16:57 <grimrc1> wonder what could cause that 06:17:03 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3D291.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 06:18:45 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 06:22:51 <grimrc1> aha 06:22:57 <grimrc1> Wagon found 06:22:57 <grimrc1> cur_speed=15 06:22:57 <grimrc1> max_speed=112 06:22:57 <grimrc1> vehstatus=0 06:22:57 <grimrc1> oil van 06:24:12 <grimrc1> most wagons have zero cur_speed; but a fair number don't in this guy's buggy savegame 06:25:12 <grimrc1> I just ran a different savegame from somebody else independent and they had one or two buggy wagon speeds 06:25:50 <grimrc1> anyone know how to printf a vehicle->stringID ? 06:35:14 <grimrc1> does anybody have a savegame from an openttd version > 0.4.8 which is around the year 2010+ 06:35:28 <grimrc1> openttd development version - not 0.4.8 06:45:35 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F06D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:46:44 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 06:48:51 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387F473.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:49:50 <grimrc1> have wagons used vehicle->cur_speed in previous versions? patches?? 07:01:27 <grimrc1> hah someone's porting openttd to C# 07:02:33 <Kjetil> to C-vb ? 07:02:37 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 07:03:03 <Kjetil> Why would they do such a thing 07:12:14 <grimrc1> they must be mentally ill 07:13:14 <Archwyrm> They are afterall using C#.. 07:17:21 *** mrno [~noone@d5152F30B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:21:22 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:21:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 07:24:40 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 07:42:06 <grimrc1> is there a way to find out which versions of TTDLX/openttd a savegame has been saved with in the past (possibly multiple different ones)? 07:43:35 <peter1138> no 07:44:41 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 07:44:44 <Bjarni> you can only read the version of the savegame 07:44:48 <MeusH> hi 07:45:12 <Bjarni> not if it was version 4 that was loaded, then saved as version 12, then loaded.... you know 07:45:24 <Bjarni> hi MeusH 07:45:59 <MeusH> How is the savegame revision stored? what's the limit? 07:46:24 <Bjarni> the limit is that it is 32 bit or something like that 07:46:42 <Bjarni> so we should have several million versions left 07:46:47 <grimrc1> oh; coz I've got some buggy savegames and I'm trying to work out what made them buggy 07:46:56 <Bjarni> it increases one version each time we change how to store a savegame 07:47:53 <grimrc1> some wagons don't have cur_speed = 0 07:48:35 <Bjarni> hmm 07:48:39 <Bjarni> weird 07:49:22 <grimrc1> I'm thinking of building loads of trains in an svn game and leaving it running for years to test 07:49:37 <grimrc1> coz I don't have many savegames 07:50:09 <grimrc1> actually, I'll just leave somebody else's broken savegame running, after having cleaned the buggy wagon speeds first 07:51:52 <grimrc1> is testing for GetPrevVehicleInChain(v) == NULL functionally the same as IsFrontEngine()? 07:55:05 <Bjarni> it should be, but.... 07:55:28 <Bjarni> if the flags are corrupted, the shortcut that IsFrontEngine() use might be incorrect 07:55:47 <Bjarni> and if that is the case, then you got great problems 07:56:13 <peter1138> no 07:56:26 <peter1138> it's not the same for rows of wagons in a depot 07:56:34 <Bjarni> oh yeah 07:56:35 <Bjarni> right 07:57:26 <grimrc1> yeah; so I think the TrainController() function is ok 07:58:40 <grimrc1> the cur_speed != 0 for some wagons causes a bug in the depot, where a line of wagons can't be moved because the front one fails the test for cur_speed == 0 07:59:30 <grimrc1> I'm running a cleaned savegame now to see if it reverts to buggy behaviour 08:00:03 <Bjarni> most likely it will just work 08:00:14 <Bjarni> you can never reproduce those issues when you try to do so :P 08:00:15 <grimrc1> trouble is, the buggy savegame is at 2077, and few wagons are buggy 08:00:29 <Bjarni> specially not when you don't have a clue to what triggered them 08:00:42 <grimrc1> Bjarni: well, another savegame I happened to have from the forum for looking at another bug happened to have a few dodgy wagon speeds too 08:00:54 <Bjarni> hmm 08:00:58 <Bjarni> weird 08:01:03 <grimrc1> that game was quite far past 2000 as well 08:01:09 <peter1138> is this a recent thing? 08:01:22 <grimrc1> peter1138: yeah a recent bug report about this on flyspray 08:01:25 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r4.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 08:01:31 * Bjarni tries to look into another bug 08:01:56 <Bjarni> "the other bug looks funny. There is an endian issue in the palette so the colours are switched in Intel Macs" <-- new cocoa video driver (not yet committed) 08:02:08 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has joined #openttd 08:02:09 <Bjarni> OpenTTD got the blues :P 08:06:26 <CIA-2> tron * r6290 /trunk/strings.c: -Feature: When automatically detecting the language try to first match language+territory (e.g. de_CH), then just language (e.g. de) and fall back to en_GB otherwise 08:07:21 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 08:16:53 <grimrc1> the savegame has advanced about 8 years; my rough calculation was about half an hour to get a decent time period done; when will this game end anyway? 08:22:10 <peter1138> ... 08:22:18 <peter1138> they don't have to... 08:22:27 <grimrc1> great 08:23:01 <peter1138> heh, there were some ttdp shots of games of about 3100... 08:42:35 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:46:55 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 08:50:37 <Darkvater> hey, they put me down in front of a P4 1.7GHz machine 08:50:45 <Darkvater> with only 256MB of memory 08:50:54 <Darkvater> and they wonder why it is so slow :( 08:51:07 <MaulingMonkey> lol 08:51:08 <peter1138> heh 08:51:17 <Darkvater> idiot IT 08:51:18 <peter1138> i saw one with 128MB... running XP 08:51:27 <peter1138> some people just have no clue 08:51:39 <peter1138> i don't think he realised it was slow 08:51:52 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F85A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:02 <Tron> you mean the "running like a dead snail" sort of running? 08:52:05 <peter1138> the guy is used to using p2 266s and such like... 08:52:17 <Darkvater> yes, kinda 08:53:02 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:53:02 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 08:58:10 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 08:58:26 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 09:01:21 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has left #openttd [] 09:02:21 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 09:08:07 *** ubuntu [~ubuntu@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 09:08:13 <ubuntu> o_O 09:08:14 <ubuntu> hi 09:08:18 *** ubuntu is now known as MeusH 09:08:20 <MeusH> oh my stupid 09:08:29 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387F473.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:08:44 <MeusH> if I have something called "ubuntu", I expect it not to work. This name is so not-pr0... 09:11:56 <grimrc1> booted livecd again? 09:14:58 *** torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:15:58 *** Ammler [~Ammler@22-150.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 09:16:27 <MeusH> grimrc1, yeah 09:16:36 <MeusH> dmesg | less -S worked 09:16:44 <grimrc1> 'worked'? 09:17:02 <MeusH> btw, does -S mean it should respond for my up/down/pgup/pgdown key inputs? 09:17:24 <grimrc1> no, -S doesn't allow word wrapping (which makes the display a bit messy) 09:17:46 <MeusH> well It said things like hda: Maxtor... ATA... hdb: ST340016A ATA... hdc: cd... hdd: ST3120024A, ATA 09:17:55 <grimrc1> and the partitions? 09:17:56 <MeusH> now I'm not sure whether linux is hdb or hda 09:18:12 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 09:18:22 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 09:18:56 <MeusH> well I see no partition stuff 09:19:02 <MeusH> how can I spot it? what's written? 09:19:11 <grimrc1> press / in the less program and you can type in a search; search for hda or hdb and you should find a partition list; press / and enter to repeat the last search 09:19:11 <torm> fdisk -l << will give you an idea... linux partitions will be marked "linux", windows will be Fat32/NTFS 09:19:32 <grimrc1> hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 < hda5 hda6 hda7 > hda4 ---- I get this in my dmesg output 09:20:01 <grimrc1> does fdisk -l /dev/hda and fdisk -l /dev/hdb work for you MeusH? 09:20:11 <MeusH> I'll check 09:20:19 <MeusH> anyway I'm sure my linux disk is hdb 09:20:27 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 09:20:37 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 09:20:50 <MeusH> Cannot open /dev/hdb 09:21:12 <grimrc1> primary slave hdb - Linux uses the logical drive connections instead of the BIOS I think; so if you swapped the drive order in the BIOS, Windows will probably take notice but Linux will not 09:21:46 <grimrc1> MeusH: are you running as root? 09:22:00 <MeusH> I'm not really sure, it's a liveCD 09:22:05 <grimrc1> try su 09:22:15 <grimrc1> or whoami 09:23:11 <MeusH> -bash /usr/bin/whoami: Input/output error 09:23:18 <MeusH> su asks for password 09:23:28 <grimrc1> that input/output error is strange 09:23:31 <MeusH> hitting enter (no password) returns failure 09:23:46 <MeusH> grimrc1, I heard noise on my HDDs and CD reader 09:23:53 <MeusH> all lights were lit 09:24:01 <grimrc1> does whoami work if you try it again? 09:24:20 <MeusH> no, now it returns error without any delay 09:24:45 <grimrc1> input/output error is not good; did you burn the CD at high speed or something? 09:24:53 <MeusH> torm: fdisk -l doesn't return anything 09:25:14 <grimrc1> MeusH: does it return 'cannot open /dev/hda'? 09:25:15 <MeusH> grimrc1, I got it free from friend who got it free from ubuntu 09:25:25 <torm> fdisk -l wont return anything unless you are root 09:25:34 <MeusH> fdisk -l /dev/hdb returns "cannot open" 09:25:48 <torm> MeusH: so you have an ubuntu live cd? 09:25:51 <MeusH> yep 09:25:58 <MeusH> I'll google how to log in as a root 09:26:02 <torm> okay type "sudo -s" 09:26:05 <MeusH> ok 09:26:06 <torm> that will give you root 09:26:11 <torm> then fdisk -l 09:26:15 <MeusH> yep 09:26:18 <MeusH> it works 09:26:24 <torm> will list the parts for all disks in the machine 09:26:30 <torm> (what are you trying to do btw? lol) 09:27:33 <grimrc1> I've just read you have to use sudo with ubuntu 09:27:53 <torm> grimrc1: what the prob he's having? 09:27:55 <MeusH> hdb1 is linux, hdb2 is linux swap/solaris 09:28:17 <MeusH> torm, ubuntu freezes when booting 09:28:24 <grimrc1> MeusH: can you tell which partition your ubuntu /boot is on? then you can mount it and get your grub.conf 09:28:44 <MeusH> grimrc1, how can fetch that info? 09:28:55 <MeusH> well we can mount both partitions 09:29:06 <MeusH> or the first one, as the second one is swap 09:29:09 <grimrc1> torm: I think moving the linux drive to primary slave (hdb) to put a windows drive on hda has confused grub 09:29:30 <torm> MeusH: did it ever boot or has it been freezing from a fresh install? 09:29:36 <grimrc1> sorry, confused Linux which probably receives initrd & root settings from grub 09:29:48 <MeusH> torm, it worked before buying new HDD and installing windows 09:29:54 <grimrc1> MeusH: yeah mount the first and see what it looks like 09:30:47 <torm> give me a tick, i think the ubu cd has a grub repair tool 09:30:54 <grimrc1> grub doesn't boot windows; BIOS boots off hdb to boot linux 09:30:58 <torm> one command to fix after a windows install 09:31:22 <grimrc1> BIOS boots Windows by booting hda 09:31:57 <grimrc1> I mean: Windows bootloader on hda and grub on hdb and BIOS is used to select boot drive 09:32:00 <torm> MeusH: one more question, which version of ubuntu? 09:32:09 <MeusH> breezy badger I think 09:32:22 <MeusH> mount /mnt/hdb1 /dev/hdb1? 09:32:39 <grimrc1> MeusH: the other way round, and the directory /mnt/hdb1 has to exist first 09:33:45 <grimrc1> /mnt/hdb1/ has to exist I mean; mkdir it 09:33:47 *** peter1138 is now known as peter1139 09:34:15 *** peter1139 is now known as peter1138 09:35:21 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:35:22 <grimrc1> mount should detect the filesystem automatically; then cd /mnt/hdb1/boot 09:35:27 <grimrc1> cat grub.conf 09:36:58 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p50818947.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:37:02 <AsterixMG> hi @all 09:37:56 <MeusH> hi AsterixMG 09:38:53 <MeusH> there is no grub.conf either in /mnt/hdb1/boot or /mnt/hdb1/boot/grub 09:39:01 <torm> my bad, it's the ubuntu dapper server cd that you can repair with 09:39:12 <grimrc1> MeusH: so you mounted it? 09:39:37 <grimrc1> you're sure they're no grub.conf? 09:41:24 <blathijs> MeusH: it's called menu.lst 09:41:26 <torm> it's /boot/grub/menu.lst i thinik 09:41:35 <torm> blackis: lol 09:42:47 <grimrc1> is it!? 09:43:15 <grimrc1> weird; that's a symbolic link to grub.conf on my Gentoo 09:43:49 <grimrc1> cat menu.lst and examine that; it probably has the ubuntu section with hda instead of hdb 09:45:57 *** Tron_ [16NOfZMa@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 09:46:11 <torm> hmm: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_restore_GRUB_menu_after_Windows_installation 09:46:24 <torm> MeusH: sounds about right? 09:53:18 <MeusH> cat menu.lst in /boot/grub gave a long result 09:53:33 <MeusH> torm: I saw it, but grub worked and loaded linux 09:53:48 <MeusH> we concluded yesterday that shouldn't be the problem... 09:56:12 <MeusH> so there are patches in menu.lst to non-existing files I think 09:56:34 <grimrc1> MeusH: less -S menu.lst and have a look for the ubuntu section 09:57:35 <MeusH> title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-10-386 09:57:35 <MeusH> root (hd0,0) 09:57:35 <MeusH> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash 09:57:35 <MeusH> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-10-386 09:57:35 <MeusH> savedefault 09:57:36 <MeusH> boot 09:57:52 <MeusH> I think root should be /dev/hdb1 09:58:10 <grimrc1> MeusH: yeah that's the one; the root bit is wrong too I think 09:58:12 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has joined #openttd 09:58:27 <MeusH> do you think fixing it will fix linux for good? 09:58:53 <grimrc1> you see the initrd bit; I think that's where the kernel panicked; quite often distros put some essential kernel modules inside an initial ram disk (initrd) 09:59:27 <grimrc1> MeusH: remember grub has a weird naming scheme? root (hd0,0) is grub's name for /dev/hda; that needs to be changed to (hd1,0) I think 10:01:27 <MeusH> aww shit, I think this one will be my quickest and the best lesson of vim 10:01:33 <grimrc1> MeusH: you haven't heard the best bit yet MeusH, you don't need to reinstall grub to boot/test your hard disk Linux; grub has a command-line; you need to checkout the exact options, but you can edit the ubuntu section on the grub command-line and give your new settings a test drive (they won't be saved in grub this way though) 10:02:24 <grimrc1> on the other hand, you can edit grub.conf now and apply the updated settings *carefully* to the right hard disk (which you say is hdb) 10:02:26 <MeusH> so you suggest to write down what I see on a paper, then rewrite it to grub commandline changing "this and that"? 10:02:51 <MeusH> grimrc1, it's menu.lst. Are we talking about the same file? 10:03:15 <grimrc1> MeusH: no; the problem is you need the grub man page to know how to tweak the command-line version; it uses the same commands but you need to get in to the edit mode 10:03:50 <grimrc1> MeusH: yep menu.lst is exactly the same as grub.conf (symbolically linked on my Gentoo machine); I'm used to it being called grub.conf, but times have changed 10:04:12 <MeusH> May I also do the backup using liveCD (like menu2.lst), and edit menu.lst here? 10:04:59 <grimrc1> MeusH: yeah I'd make a copy of menu.lst and leave the original intact; I think your liveCD grub is expecting menu.lst to be in /boot/grub/menu.lst and not /mnt/hdb1/boot/grub/menu.lst 10:05:41 *** Ammler [~Ammler@22-150.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:05 <MeusH> there is also a device.map file, and all its content is dev/hda 10:06:33 <grimrc1> mine has (hd0) /dev/hda 10:06:41 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:28 <grimrc1> I'm not an expert on device.map, but I think you should not copy it; grub autodetects which hard drive is hda and which is hdb etc. 10:07:54 <MeusH> whoops, I'm afraid /mnt/hdb1 is read-only 10:08:06 <grimrc1> MeusH: /boot/ should be rw 10:08:07 <MeusH> I can't paste, cut, delete, rename things 10:08:10 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:08:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:08:23 <grimrc1> or /tmp/ 10:08:41 <MeusH> It says I'm not an owner 10:08:57 <MeusH> maybye I shall try in terminal, but of course I don't know thecommand :/ 10:09:15 <grimrc1> I think you need to run sudo vim ? 10:09:32 <grimrc1> you should be able to copy menu.lst to /boot/grub/ 10:09:40 <peter1138> system recovery generally needs root ;p 10:10:06 <MeusH> menu.lst is already on /boot/grub 10:10:16 <MeusH> I just want to make a recovery copy 10:10:55 <grimrc1> the menu.lst on /boot/grub/ will be the ubuntu liveCD one right? you don't want that one 10:11:20 <MeusH> sorry, I'm talking abount /mnt/hdb1/boot/grub one 10:11:23 <grimrc1> you want your hard drive menu.lst in the liveCD ramfs /boot/grub/ 10:11:58 <grimrc1> if you want to back up your hard disk ubuntu's grub.conf, you'll need to mount one of your Windows partitions read/write and copy it to there 10:12:40 *** Dmitry [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 10:12:40 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:40 <MeusH> grimrc1, can't I copy-paste it in the /mnt/hdb1/boot/grub? 10:12:58 <grimrc1> what do you mean by copy-paste it? 10:14:38 <MeusH> so I have the backup copy on the linux partition 10:14:52 <AsterixMG> hmm, sounds like I'm in the wrong channel here :) did #openttd convert to a linux-channel? 10:15:15 <grimrc1> MeusH: you can copy it to /boot and leave the original on your Linux partition 10:16:50 <MeusH> well that's what I think I should do: copy /mnt/hdb1/boot/grub/menu.lst to /mnt/hdb1/boot/grub/menu_backup.lst, then edit /mnt/hdb1/boot/grub/menu.lst, save changes and try to boot linux without LiveCD 10:18:12 <grimrc1> MeusH: easier way: write down the old ubuntu settings (root, kernel & initrd), then reboot on to Linux hard drive, get to the grub menu, then press e (edit) and change the ubuntu option to how it should be and then try to boot it 10:19:06 <MeusH> so when I see a countdown (3 seconds left, press ESC for menu), I shall hit E, or ESC, then E? 10:19:27 <grimrc1> root should be: root (hd1,0) and the /dev/hda in the kernel line should be /dev/hdb 10:19:36 <grimrc1> MeusH: pretty sure you just press e; that's what I do on mine 10:20:28 <MeusH> allright 10:21:22 <grimrc1> from info grub: 'Commands are available to enter a bare command-line by pressing <c> (which operates exactly like the non-config-file version of GRUB, but allows one to return to the menu if desired by pressing <ESC>) or to edit any of the "boot entries" by pressing <e>.' 10:21:58 <grimrc1> e is the best 10:22:29 <MeusH> so editing would mean I won't have to retype everything as I will see the original configuration file and I'll just change 0 to 1, hda to hdb etc? 10:22:37 <grimrc1> MeusH: true 10:23:48 <MeusH> okay, cya later 10:23:51 <MeusH> thank you very much 10:23:55 *** MeusH [~ubuntu@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:24:18 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6291 /trunk/ (12 files): 10:24:18 <CIA-2> -Feature: Vehicle lists from the station window now also got the goto depot button 10:24:18 <CIA-2> -Codechange: unified the code for mass goto depot to avoid duplicated code 10:24:18 <CIA-2> -Fix: Vehicles already on the way to depots will not be cancelled by mass goto depot (made it really hard to send all vehicles at once) 10:24:23 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: new conflict alert :P 10:24:38 <Bjarni> still a simple one though 10:24:50 <AsterixMG> lol 10:25:14 <AsterixMG> your commit was the first ottd-related thing i've seen on this channel today, Bjarni :P 10:25:32 <Bjarni> :( 10:25:43 <Bjarni> I was idle so I could finish and test this patch 10:26:30 <AsterixMG> hehe.. yeah, vehicle.c conflicts :) 10:27:02 <grimrc1> Bjarni: I noticed that bug you've fixed 10:27:34 <Bjarni> so did I ;) 10:27:58 <grimrc1> I was wondering if it was deliberate; like select all - some 10:28:36 <Bjarni> it was more like an if, that in some cases behaved differently than expected 10:28:49 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has left #openttd [] 10:29:02 <Bjarni> bugs are usually caused by such issues 10:29:42 <CIA-2> tron * r6292 /trunk/video/sdl_v.c: -Cleanup: Indentation, bracing, etc. 10:29:45 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, did you have a look at my last diff/any comments on it? 10:30:08 <Bjarni> a little/no 10:31:20 <grimrc1> I haven't managed to trigger this wagon cur_speed bug yet :o/ 10:31:50 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 10:32:05 <MeusH> hi 10:32:23 <AsterixMG> im not around for long today, so you have good chances to break ma patch again, Bjarni ;) 10:32:35 <AsterixMG> wb MeusH 10:32:36 <Bjarni> no 10:32:46 <MeusH> so, setting "root (hd1,0) resulted in Fileststem type unknown, partition type 0x7 ... Error 17: Can't mount selected partition 10:32:55 <Bjarni> because I think I'm more or less done editing stuff that affects your patch 10:33:13 <grimrc1> MeusH: really? with the /dev/hdb thing too? 10:33:38 <MeusH> so I changed it back to hd0,0, but one line below, there was kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386 root=/dev/hdb1 10:33:45 <MeusH> however, it froze again 10:33:54 <grimrc1> same error? 10:34:43 <grimrc1> I think the BIOS must make /dev/hdb in to hd0,0 when it boots off it 10:36:12 <grimrc1> MeusH: you could try changing root=/dev/hdb1 to real_root=/dev/hdb1 ? 10:36:21 <grimrc1> with root (hd0,0) 10:37:31 <CIA-2> tron * r6293 /trunk/video/sdl_v.c: -Codechange: Simply use KMOD_CTRL instead of KMOD_LCTRL | KMOD_RCTRL, same for KMOD_SHIFT 10:38:50 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F85A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:08 *** Maedhros_ [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:27 <MeusH> so I shall get rid of root and put real_root, or keep both? 10:39:29 <grimrc1> that's the only thing I can think of really; root the same, but root=/dev/hda to real_root=/dev/hdb 10:39:38 <grimrc1> root hd0,0 the same 10:39:45 <MeusH> ok 10:40:06 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 10:40:16 <grimrc1> I'm stuck if that doesn't work 10:43:34 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 10:43:47 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au reviour!] 10:43:56 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 10:46:02 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:28 *** Maedhros_ is now known as Maedhros 10:52:00 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 10:52:05 <MeusH> :( 11:01:46 <CIA-2> tron * r6294 /trunk/video/cocoa_v.m: -Cleanup: Add static 11:03:32 <grimrc1> no luck? I can't really think of anything else 11:03:52 <grimrc1> probably easier to just reinstall 11:06:19 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2D2EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:19 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 11:08:34 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: I am to sexy for this channel] 11:10:47 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2E836.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:11:21 <MeusH> well I'd reinstall, I'd prefer Fedora Core - I have CD of version 4, any chance to upgrade it to 5? 11:11:30 <MeusH> my net speed isn't really fast though 11:11:44 <MeusH> and I think I will unplug my windows drives 11:11:57 <MeusH> too many mess happened before because of all these grubs and lilos 11:13:32 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:07 <grimrc1> I'm surprised it doesn't work with the updated options 11:18:43 <ln-> Tron: are you doing something very important to cocoa_v.m? 11:19:41 <MeusH> grimrc1, after editting, I pressed 'b' to boot 11:19:49 <grimrc1> yep 11:19:57 <MeusH> I noticed that pressing ESC and booting didn't save the changes 11:20:14 <MeusH> well, I'm pretty much confused 11:20:15 <grimrc1> oh 11:20:32 <grimrc1> always the same kernel error 11:20:45 <MeusH> what's your view on installing Fedora Core 4, with UNPLUGGED NTFS drives? 11:21:01 <grimrc1> MeusH: no comment? 11:21:14 <MeusH> well why? 11:21:23 <grimrc1> I don't know if it'll work this time 11:25:31 <grimrc1> there is one last, last thing you could try btw; changing initrd /boot/whatever to initrd (hd1,0)/boot/whatever --- probably a waste of time bothering though 11:26:11 <grimrc1> actually I don't think that'd help 11:29:25 <MeusH> well I'll try 11:29:41 <MeusH> you already helped me very much, and I feel stupid that it didn't work 11:32:11 <Eran-> err... is this some kind of a developers discussion...? :D 11:35:37 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176096030.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:42:29 <grimrc1> I wouldn't try it; it's wrong what I said 11:57:27 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:57:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:59:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> MeusH, grimrc1: just a random thought, what about modifying the fstab also? 12:00:13 <grimrc1> I don't know if it'd help or not 12:00:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> and when installing linux, please have _all_ drives attached... changing drive configuration afterwards just makes things worse... 12:00:57 <MeusH> well why not to try 12:01:26 <MeusH> Eddi|zuHause2, can I write-protect HDD some way? 12:01:38 <MeusH> especially its MBR? 12:01:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> you shouldn't have to... 12:02:01 <MeusH> I want to 12:02:17 <Darkvater> 'o/ only 7 MB free swapmemory 12:02:26 <Darkvater> rejoice at the idiotic IT 12:02:46 <MeusH> When installing linuxes before, grub either installs on the first drive (hda, a NTFS drive) and messes my windows stuff, or removes partition data and I can't acces anything on my windows HDD 12:03:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> when i installed SuSE, i could chose exactly which MBR to put grub to, and which windows partitions to keep... 12:03:16 <MeusH> belive me, terrible things were happening before 12:03:38 <MeusH> good for you 12:03:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> although i chose to kill windows, and install on hda ;) 12:05:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> but even installing grub on hda should back up the windows bootloader, and make grub add a "boot to windows" option 12:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> you just have to chose carefully what you set up 12:06:05 <glx> I use ntloader for multiboot 12:06:20 <glx> I had too much lilo crash 12:08:10 <grimrc1> yeah I've had bad things happen with Gentoo's LiveCD installer 12:08:57 <grimrc1> MeusH: you can back up your mbr with dd if=/dev/hda of=/somewhere/mbrfile bs=512 count=1 ---- you can then put this back on the drive by swapping if= and of= 12:09:31 <torm> i'm such a geek... we coulnt decide which movie to see (Snakes on a plane, clerks 2, fearless) and didnt have a dice, so i wrote a c++ prog to decide for us :P 12:10:08 <grimrc1> I think Sacro said snakes on a plane was pornographic or something 12:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> i can't count the times i have used maple to give me random numbers for similar things ;) 12:10:32 <grimrc1> my God! human randomness isn't *that* broken 12:11:19 <torm> lol, problem exists between the keyboard and the chair mate... :P 12:11:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... i just have to go to the next channe, and type !m randomize(), rand() mod x [where x is the number of options] 12:11:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> *channel 12:12:28 <torm> does that work in here? 12:12:36 <torm> !m randomize(), rand() 12:12:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> the problem was, last time i tried, i forgot to assign numbers to the options, so the result did not hold much information ;) 12:13:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, we have a maple guy over on quakenet/#mathe 12:13:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> (if he happens to be there...) 12:16:20 <torm> !calc 5 + 6 12:16:22 <_42_> torm: 11; 12:16:30 <torm> !calc rand() 12:16:31 <_42_> torm: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=2): Function rand not defined.; 12:16:41 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 12:16:46 <torm> !calc randomize(), rand() 12:16:47 <_42_> torm: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 12:16:52 <torm> !calc randomize(), rand() mod 5 12:16:53 <_42_> torm: (standard_in) 2: parse error;(standard_in) 2: parse error; 12:17:01 <torm> !calc randomize(); rand() mod 5 12:17:01 <_42_> torm: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 12:17:04 <glx> torm: _42_ uses bc 12:17:09 <glx> not mapple 12:17:13 <torm> ahh 12:17:18 <torm> that'd be why 12:20:27 <torm> aight catcha later peeps, C++ decrees that Fearless will be seen tonight 12:20:34 *** torm is now known as torm-afk 12:26:35 <mrno> Hello, Probably a very stupid question, but will the next release/beta be version 5? or 4.9? And another (dumb?) question. Must the new graphics be made with blender or can it be another program (lets say cinema4d)? 12:27:21 <hylje> mrno: ottd uses 2d graphics at this time, so any sprite-worthy graphic will do 12:27:41 <hylje> mrno: be it 3d or 2d (3d can be "captured" to 2d) 12:28:03 <mrno> yes, i read the wiki about blender and newgraphics, but i'm used working with cinema 4d, that why :) 12:28:14 <hylje> do not know 12:28:15 <grimrc1> I read that too; don't know what it means 12:28:18 <mrno> I render to iso perspective 12:28:28 <hylje> as long as you can render it it should be fine 12:28:31 <glx> if you can export stuff to a format that blender can open, it should be ok 12:28:34 <hylje> (exporting to blender too?) 12:28:38 <grimrc1> is making 3d models easier than 2d images? 12:28:53 *** Osai is now known as Osai^away 12:29:02 <mrno> hmm, depends on the person 12:29:02 <hylje> grimrc1: id say that 3d is easier to make look good than 2d 12:29:07 <mrno> I like 3d :) 12:29:16 <grimrc1> bc doesn't seem to have a random number generator 12:29:25 <grimrc1> !sine 30 12:29:31 <grimrc1> !calc sine 30 12:29:32 <_42_> grimrc1: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 12:29:33 <mrno> hmm, dunno bout that. I think 3d needs good textures to look nice 12:29:44 <glx> !calc s(30) 12:29:44 <_42_> glx: -.9880316240; 12:29:59 <grimrc1> !calc s pi/2 12:30:00 <_42_> grimrc1: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 12:30:26 <grimrc1> darn 12:31:20 <grimrc1> _42_ doesn't respond to private messages either 12:33:46 <mrno> It's a pitty there isn't any info on light placing without opening a blender scene. I'll do that (install blender and see the settings), but it would be nice if that info was on the wiki :) 12:34:58 <mrno> I tried allready making a scene in cinema 4d, and I think I have the light right, but don't kno wfor sure offcourse 12:35:23 <hylje> well 12:35:26 <hylje> you can be the first :) 12:35:50 <mrno> hehe :) who knows :) 12:36:51 <MeusH> grimrc1, try #templeofthebot 12:37:01 <MeusH> oh, he's no longer here 12:37:09 <grimrc1> ? 12:37:13 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6295 /trunk/ (aircraft_cmd.c roadveh_cmd.c ship_cmd.c train_cmd.c): -Feature: using goto depot with a different control selection will now alter the service/stopping in depot flag instead of cancelling the goto depot order 12:38:13 <TrueLight> MeusH: #temple.of.the.bot 12:38:17 <TrueLight> you made up the channel yourself 12:38:26 <MeusH> yeah, there it is :) 12:41:04 <grimrc1> my word; you really can trust *noone* on the internet 12:41:13 <MeusH> why? 12:41:14 <grimrc1> I got powned 12:41:17 <grimrc1> heh 12:41:18 <MeusH> where? 12:41:28 <grimrc1> here 12:41:35 <hylje> hahah 12:42:32 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 12:43:35 <MeusH> hello Belugas 12:48:26 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:52:02 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:00 <MeusH> bbl 12:53:52 <Belugas> hey MeusH ) 12:57:12 <Maedhros> hey Belugas 13:03:48 <KUDr_wrk> Rubidium: ping (http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=486763#486763) 13:04:53 <Rubidium> KUDr_wrk: just seen that, does http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/settings_fix_again.diff look OK? 13:06:36 <Belugas> hey Maedhros :) 13:07:27 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p50818947.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:01 <KUDr_wrk> Rubidium: yes, it looks good 13:18:57 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6296 /trunk/settings.c: -Fix (r6186): some more (YAPF) settings were affected by accident. Thanks to mart3p for noticing (and to SVN for failing to mark the changes as conflicts). 13:19:10 *** Rens2Intarweb [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 13:24:06 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5636.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:54 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:46 *** Staff [~chatzilla@adsl-87-102-35-111.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:27:51 *** Staff is now known as Sacro 13:28:10 *** Osai^away is now known as Osai 13:28:42 <Sacro> ahhh, IRC...home 13:29:12 <Bjarni> I like m3henry's signature 13:29:39 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:29:53 <Bjarni> that penguin "Tux?" told me that I'm using a mac (like I didn't know that) and that I should download TTDpatch right away :P 13:30:11 <hylje> :o 13:30:34 <Bjarni> minor error in the script? :P 13:34:33 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has joined #openttd 13:34:42 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:07 <CIA-2> tron * r6297 /trunk/ (6 files): -Codechange: Disentangle the query window mess a bit: Move the network game password handling somewhere were it belongs to 13:42:13 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:48:51 <CIA-2> glx * r6298 /trunk/ (openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): -Fix(r6297): add network_gui.h to MSVC projetc files 13:50:39 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 13:51:01 <Sacro> damn...im a computer geek 13:53:20 <hylje> quick, call the press 13:53:58 *** Sacro [~chatzilla@adsl-87-102-35-111.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:07 <CIA-2> miham * r6299 /trunk/lang/ (american.txt french.txt hungarian.txt portuguese.txt): 14:02:07 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-01 16:00:05 14:02:07 <CIA-2> american - 4 fixed by WhiteRabbit (4) 14:02:07 <CIA-2> french - 9 changed by glx (9) 14:02:07 <CIA-2> hungarian - 4 fixed by miham (4) 14:02:08 <CIA-2> portuguese - 4 fixed, 3 changed by izhirahider (7) 14:03:13 <Bjarni> <CIA-2> miham * r6299 /trunk/lang/ (american.txt french.txt hungarian.txt portuguese.txt): <-- I like how the channel stats picks up ): and logs CIA-2 as a sad person :D 14:03:26 *** Dmitry [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:46 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: :D 14:03:55 <glx> Bjarni: no if pisg is well configured 14:04:03 <peter1138> heh 14:04:37 <Bjarni> well, we might have eliminated that by now, but at a time, two CIA bots were the saddest in the channel 14:04:50 <hylje> :< 14:05:14 <Bjarni> hylje: soften up 14:05:26 <hylje> :< 14:05:39 <Bjarni> that's not soften up 14:05:53 <hylje> :3 14:06:08 <MiHaMiX> http://qdb.us/64358 14:06:09 <MiHaMiX> :DDDDDD 14:06:33 <Bjarni> good one 14:07:47 <Bjarni> sounds kind of like filling the map in OpenTTD with railroad (note: completely fill) and then after showing it to somebody asking "how do you place signals?" 14:07:56 <Bjarni> I actually saw that o_O 14:08:07 <Bjarni> dedicated line for each train 14:08:32 <Bjarni> I would have expected more from a university student :P 14:08:34 <peter1138> heh 14:08:41 <hylje> wtfu 14:10:37 *** Guest56 [Gono@N727P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:13:00 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N707P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:11 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:18:57 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 14:22:17 <Belugas> Anyone has any comments on this ? 14:22:19 <Belugas> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/hidden_removal.diff 14:22:20 <hylje> no 14:22:39 <Belugas> it is part of the XTDwidget, but against trunk 14:24:28 <Belugas> The idea is to remove the 32 bits limit on widgets 14:24:41 <Belugas> i know, there are not that many uses of hidden 14:24:51 <hylje> i see 14:24:51 <Belugas> but it is like a proof od concept 14:25:32 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 14:25:34 <Belugas> further more, the mousemove is really not needed in this case, as the state of the vehicle can be evaluated 14:25:41 <Belugas> on paint. 14:25:55 <Belugas> therefore, i think, an imporval of performance 14:26:04 <Belugas> improvement ... 14:26:07 <Belugas> wahtever 14:27:53 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 14:29:30 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 14:31:38 <Tron_> Belugas: the state can change over time 14:32:25 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [] 14:32:55 <Belugas> if the state changes, then it is reflected within the pain event. LIke speed lowering 14:33:11 <Belugas> Test it, you will see ;) 14:33:32 <Tron_> are you sure not only the text widget at the bottom is invalidated? 14:36:38 <Belugas> The mini viewport too. 14:37:07 <Belugas> as to know waht and how, no, i'm not sure. 14:37:13 <Belugas> I know it does fine, taht is for sure 14:37:40 <Belugas> In Windows XP, anyway 14:37:53 <Belugas> I don't nkow if the behaviour changes on other OSs 14:39:44 *** mrno [~noone@d5152F30B.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 14:41:34 *** mucht_ [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 14:43:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:43:10 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:15 *** mucht_ is now known as Mucht|work 14:50:56 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 14:51:56 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-124.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 14:54:40 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 14:56:55 <Tron_> Belugas: ftp://tron.homeunix.org/ottd/depot.png 14:59:06 <peter1138> maybe it'll be up to r7000 by the time i get back into things 14:59:24 <Belugas> proof of concept failed. Thanks tron 14:59:37 <Belugas> what have you done? 15:00:30 <Tron_> stopped road vehicle 15:00:31 <Tron_> pause 15:00:32 <Tron_> start 15:00:37 <Tron_> redraw screen 15:00:39 <Tron_> stop again 15:00:52 <Tron_> but i guess there are more realistic ways to trigger this 15:01:22 <Tron_> the problem is sometimes only the status bar widget is redrawn 15:01:48 <Tron_> like roadveh_cmd.c:235 15:02:23 <Tron_> this can probably resolved easily 15:03:01 <Tron_> alternativly you can leave this logic as it is for now and concentrate on just moving the hidden bit into struct Widget 15:03:13 <Tron_> which is a Good Thing(tm) btw 15:04:42 *** Tron_ [16NOfZMa@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:05:13 <Belugas> Noted Tron, wherever you are now :) 15:06:13 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:07:29 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au reviour!] 15:23:09 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F85A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:25:09 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202.154.147.227] has joined #openttd 15:26:58 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:27:41 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202.154.147.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:04 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202.154.147.227] has joined #openttd 15:29:31 *** torm-afk is now known as torm 15:31:50 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.147.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:52 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 15:38:21 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 15:41:30 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:41:49 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:49:34 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:52:47 *** torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: adios!] 15:52:53 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has left #openttd [] 15:58:26 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has joined #openttd 16:25:02 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 16:35:39 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176127144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:38:24 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176096030.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:53 <TrueLight> woei,I love green@! 16:39:04 <hylje> o rly@! 16:41:51 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:44:59 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-203-10.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host46-239.pool878.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 16:52:31 <Wolf01> hi 16:52:41 <MeusH> hi Wolf01 17:00:18 *** Rohan [~rohan@212-181-150-156-no75.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:09:27 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-193-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:09:55 *** Rohan [~rohan@212-181-150-156-no75.tbcn.telia.com] has left #openttd [] 17:13:30 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:20:03 <TrueLight> YOU BROKE THE GREEN LINES! :( 17:20:08 <TrueLight> Now all prettyness is gone 17:20:10 <TrueLight> stupid Wolf01 :( 17:20:26 <Wolf01> ;_; 17:20:56 <TrueLight> :) 17:21:04 <TrueLight> I have no idea what kind of smiley that is 17:21:09 <TrueLight> but ugly it is :p 17:21:11 <TrueLight> brrrrrrrrrr 17:21:19 <TrueLight> pompiedom 17:21:22 <TrueLight> boring in here :p 17:21:26 <TrueLight> Sacro: WHERE ARE YOU? 17:21:30 <Wolf01> :'| <-> ;_; 17:21:54 <Wolf01> i need help with multiline signs 17:22:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> you urgently need a life ;) 17:22:17 <TrueLight> www.getalife.com 17:22:21 <Wolf01> lol 17:23:38 <Wolf01> :O two of mine friends are on thatimagesite.com 17:29:49 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 17:32:15 <WolfAngel> evening... 17:32:35 <TrueLight> attack of the Wolfs 17:32:39 <WolfAngel> ^^ 17:32:42 <Wolf01> hi WolfAngel 17:32:47 <WolfAngel> anytime, anywhere 17:32:55 <hylje> :o 17:33:04 <WolfAngel> ^_^ 17:35:32 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-200-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:42:51 *** Bjarni is now known as Trapper 17:43:08 <Trapper> ok, let me take care of the wolves 17:43:19 * Trapper takes care of the wolves 17:43:23 <Trapper> done 17:43:40 <Trapper> TrueLight: now you are safe 17:43:44 *** Trapper is now known as Bjarni 17:43:59 <TrueLight> tnx :) 17:44:29 * Wolf01 bites Bjarni 17:44:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-200-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:35 <Kjetil> You can't bite a higher being made of pure energi 17:45:39 <Kjetil> energy* 17:46:00 * Wolf01 bites Kjetil 17:46:20 * Kjetil cuts Wolf01 head of with a chainsaw 17:46:43 * Wolf01 's head bites Kjetil 17:47:06 <Kjetil> *nibbels on Wolf01s ear* 17:49:18 *** Wolf01 was kicked from #openttd by TrueLight [no biting in this channel] 17:49:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host46-239.pool878.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 17:49:39 * Wolf01 bit... ehm 17:50:09 *** mikk36_ [mikk36@pc63.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:40 <Wolf01> Kjetil is tasty :P 17:52:25 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc63.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:55:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-142-193.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 17:58:40 <Bjarni> I'm away for a moment and the whole channel turns savage.... 17:59:06 <Bjarni> I even had a trapper to take care of the wolves and they still bite the people in here 17:59:13 <Bjarni> he cheated me :o 18:00:26 <Wolf01> no, peoples were to much near to the cage 18:00:35 <Wolf01> *people 18:03:03 <MeusH> we wanted to hand you a banana 18:03:14 <MeusH> Darkvater said wolves like bananas 18:03:22 <Wolf01> i'm not a monkey! 18:03:31 <MeusH> but you like bananas 18:04:09 <Wolf01> as darkwater like to eat ants 18:04:17 <Wolf01> *darkvater 18:05:38 <MeusH> that's quite right, assuming the rumor that SROTU eats banned forum members is true 18:07:05 <Wolf01> ok, stop fooling around 18:07:41 <Wolf01> what about multiline signs, like post-it? 18:08:36 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 18:19:55 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 18:21:08 *** Peach [~Peach@87.54.16.34] has joined #openttd 18:21:24 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 18:32:53 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-200-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:35:41 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6300 /trunk/vehicle.c: 18:35:41 <CIA-2> -Fix: FS#321 autoreplace / wagon removal 18:35:41 <CIA-2> turned out to be a failure to run the wagon remoral code if the player didn't have enough money to do the replace after the replace took place 18:35:41 <CIA-2> the cost animation failed to show in this condition as well 18:35:41 <CIA-2> Now the test is not run anymore after the replace took place 18:40:53 <Bjarni> it's funny. This bug have been there since wagon removal was added (and before, but then it was just missing cost animation). Nobody noticed until now 18:41:13 <Bjarni> nobody had the right settings + money to trigger this... or something like that 18:41:24 *** Peach [~Peach@87.54.16.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41:32 <Sacro> Bjarni: or wasnt paying attention 18:43:28 <Bjarni> maybe 18:43:36 <Bjarni> but the trains became too long for the stations 18:51:14 <Sacro> hmm 18:51:45 <hylje> :o 18:53:05 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-203-10.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:13 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F85A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:03 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:10 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-200-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:48 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 19:19:02 *** znikoz [znikoz@195.5.46.213] has joined #openttd 19:19:17 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-200-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:33:50 <Wolf01> what does mean "priority" on the extended order list of the miniIN? 19:34:34 <hylje> interesting 19:36:52 <Bjarni> I don't know, but I guess it could be something to do with what vehicle gets loaded first when more than one is waiting for full load 19:36:57 <Bjarni> *are 19:52:08 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Do you know the old Klingon proverb that says revenge is a dish best served cold? 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D: 21:12:51 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:55 <Sacro> hehe 21:14:11 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:15:05 <MeusH> hi smeding 21:15:14 <smeding> hi 21:15:15 <MeusH> I'm about to measure things with Darkvater 21:15:19 <smeding> hmm? 21:15:23 <MeusH> but seems he's on a lonely walk 21:15:30 <MeusH> well he's gone 21:15:32 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:33 <smeding> also sorry about that, but i tried something so had to restart X 21:15:38 <Sacro> MeusH: do we really want to ask what? 21:15:57 <MeusH> yes we do really want to ask... but yeah, what? 21:16:17 <Sacro> <MeusH> I'm about to measure things with Darkvater <--- im curious (or maybe im not...) 21:16:50 <MeusH> you may be either measured or measuring 21:16:56 <MeusH> choice is on your side 21:17:07 <Sacro> well...err...to me that sounds kinda dirty 21:17:22 <MeusH> you have a dirty mind :o 21:17:25 <MeusH> <Sacro> quite a lonely night <-- yep, only spammers writing to me :( 21:17:38 <Sacro> your the one measuring stuff with Darkvater 21:18:10 <MeusH> okay, then you are the one who will be subject of our experiment 21:18:44 <Sacro> oooh...hmm...what do i need to do? 21:20:39 <MeusH> hmm 21:20:46 <MeusH> that's quite intriguing question 21:24:16 * Sacro goes off to learn C# 21:24:26 <Bjarni> wrong choice 21:24:36 <Bjarni> OpenTTD is coded in C 21:24:41 <Bjarni> C != C# 21:24:50 <Bjarni> oh wait 21:24:57 <Bjarni> C is not the same as C# 21:25:09 <Bjarni> can't use != to a guy, who can't code :P 21:27:00 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:22 <Sacro> Bjarni: C <> C! ? 21:27:25 <Sacro> hmm 21:27:30 <Sacro> no, C<>C# 21:27:38 <smeding> C# = fail 21:29:39 <Bjarni> the symtax is not important. The fact is that you need to write in C to code patches for OpenTTD 21:30:07 <Sacro> that aint true 21:30:32 <Bjarni> it is if you want us to commit your patches 21:31:57 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:33:00 <MaulingMonkey> <devilsadvocate>But you (royal you) commited C++ patches (*cough* YAPF *cough*)</devilsadvocate> 21:33:15 <MaulingMonkey> :P 21:33:41 <smeding> YAPF? 21:33:49 <smeding> that seems nethack slang. 21:33:52 <MaulingMonkey> Yet Another Path Finder. 21:33:57 <smeding> oh wait. 21:34:00 <smeding> heh 21:34:06 <smeding> Nethack peoples have a lot of YA* 21:34:25 <MaulingMonkey> I think I watched nethack be played once. 21:34:36 <MaulingMonkey> Then again I might just be recalling reading the GPF archives. 21:34:46 <Bjarni> I didn't commit YAPF 21:34:47 <smeding> Nethack is tricky :/ 21:34:57 <MaulingMonkey> Bjarni: Hence the "(royal you)" 21:35:16 <KUDr> it was me 21:35:23 <Bjarni> yeah 21:35:28 <KUDr> "royal me" :) 21:35:28 * Bjarni blames KUDr 21:35:41 * smeding tries to remember where KUDrland is 21:35:44 <MaulingMonkey> KUDr: Sorry, I'm out of crowns :( 21:35:53 * Bjarni got the feeling that KUDr missed the meaning of "royal" in this case 21:35:54 <Bjarni> :P 21:35:55 * Zaviori blames those pesky deers shooting laser beams out of their eyes 21:36:02 <KUDr> no 21:36:05 <smeding> and i know it's the Czech republic but i don't know where that is. 21:36:07 <Zaviori> Oh yees 21:36:09 <MaulingMonkey> Bjarni: ....royal pain in the ass? ;-P 21:36:15 <KUDr> but i am not regular ottd dev 21:36:18 <MaulingMonkey> kekeke 21:36:34 <smeding> ZERG RUSH 21:36:38 <Bjarni> <MaulingMonkey> Bjarni: ....royal pain in the ass? ;-P <-- that would be (CLASSIFIED) 21:36:43 <KUDr> and YAPF is still not in release 21:36:46 <Sacro> MaulingMonkey: s/..../=/ ;) 21:36:47 <Bjarni> he is not nice at all 21:37:27 <MaulingMonkey> KUDr: There is no trunk/spoon! 21:37:30 * Sacro likes him cos he upsets Bjarni 21:37:57 <Bjarni> Sacro: nice to see that you like yourself :P 21:37:59 * Bjarni hides 21:38:12 * Sacro is glad...peace 21:39:21 <Sacro> hmm, i wonder if its #C# 21:39:23 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: BYE!] 21:40:24 <Sacro> errm...is MonoBasic a real language 21:40:56 <MaulingMonkey> Is anything with BASIC in it's name? 21:41:42 <MaulingMonkey> And celestar still hasn't done jack shit about my patch after poking him <_< 21:41:59 <MaulingMonkey> (that I've noticed anyways) 21:49:37 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:49:39 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:42 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7576D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75FCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:04 *** Trenskow [~outlet@5634fe47.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 21:59:33 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:05:19 *** jchavez [~jchavez@ip24-254-93-99.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:03 <MeusH> bye 22:07:05 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 22:08:08 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:55 *** Guest56 [Gono@N860P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:13:26 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:16:35 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N727P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:15 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 22:21:21 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:19 <Bjarni> !seen celestar 22:22:21 <_42_> Bjarni, Celestar (~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 day 1 hour 40 minutes ago (31.08. 20:41) stating "Ping timeout: 480 seconds" after spending 14 hours 52 minutes there. 22:22:57 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: I'm not sure we should wait for Celestar to talk about it 22:23:23 <MaulingMonkey> I poked him about it 19 minutes after he got on then 22:23:25 <MaulingMonkey> but never got a reply 22:23:34 <MaulingMonkey> nor update of the flyspray bug progress 22:24:41 * Bjarni got the feeling that Celestar is less active than he used to be 22:26:31 <Bjarni> which one is your patch? 22:26:42 <MaulingMonkey> lemme bring it back up 22:27:02 <MaulingMonkey> Second one linked here is the one I've been using for the past week without issues: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/177 22:28:09 *** Trenskow [~outlet@5634fe47.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29:08 <MaulingMonkey> Only modifications are a conditional tweak and changing the current_order.flags . Shouldn't affect savegames or anything, tested it against the cross referenced buggy savegames in 251 and 218 which it fixes, and did a quick multiplayer test (non dedicated) which seemed to run just fine as well. 22:30:13 <Bjarni> I got a bad feeling about this 22:30:25 <Bjarni> Celestar didn't touch it since May 22:32:08 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:14 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:58 <MaulingMonkey> What's the worst that could happen? He comes back in a flurry of activity and fixes the bug in a different way? He can just undo my changes then :) 22:41:21 <Bjarni> that's not a worst case scenario 22:41:33 <Bjarni> a worst case scenario is that he will not come back and fix this 22:41:35 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:42:03 <MaulingMonkey> I meant if my patch were commited regardless of the task having originally been asigned to him :) 22:43:34 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-544523c9.lns4-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:44:44 <Bjarni> so you are PandaMojo? 22:45:22 <MaulingMonkey> Yes 22:45:32 <Bjarni> nice to know 22:45:43 <Bjarni> now I got 3 different names that applies to you 22:45:48 <MaulingMonkey> Yeah, I meant to change my IRC name here to that :P 22:45:50 <MaulingMonkey> 3? 22:45:51 <MaulingMonkey> what's the other? 22:45:54 <Bjarni> how many other people are in your head? 22:45:55 <Bjarni> :P 22:45:58 <MaulingMonkey> lol 22:46:24 <Bjarni> you also typed your (presumed) real name on flyspray 22:46:28 <MaulingMonkey> Oh, right 22:46:53 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5636.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:19 *** MaulingMonkey is now known as PandaMojo 22:47:35 <PandaMojo> Alright, I think I've got chatzilla's settings right this time :P 22:47:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:50:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-200-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:04 <mikk36> hey :) 22:52:05 <Brianetta> I'm back at home now. Unfortunately I have killed my keyboard with a cup of tea, and I am entering text with dasher. 22:52:15 <mikk36> question about openttd installer in windows 22:52:28 <mikk36> is it safe to just install a newer version on top of the old one ? 22:53:08 <mikk36> Brianetta, take the keyboard apart, wash it, put back togeter and then try again 22:53:26 <mikk36> a cup of tea is nothing for a keyboard 22:53:39 <mikk36> unless it gets to the pcb area :) 22:53:43 <mikk36> in the corner 22:54:49 <Brianetta> already tried. it's buggered. 22:55:02 <mikk36> too bad :/ 22:55:06 <Bjarni> Brianetta: unplug it and take it to the shower. Use water around air temperature and a lot of it 22:55:12 <izhirahider> mikk36, depends how old 22:55:15 <Bjarni> and wait for it to dry (might take up to two days) 22:55:44 <mikk36> 047 22:56:25 <izhirahider> mikk36, what do you want to use 22:56:46 <Brianetta> Test 22:56:54 <Bjarni> mikk36: it should be safe unless you use the very first version of the installer. We released again the day after we released it with a hotfix "-Fix: windows installer deleted all savegames" 22:56:54 <Brianetta> This is a spare keyboard 22:56:58 <mikk36> Bjarni, a quick was with a cleaning aid (fairy is perfect) and few minutes with a hairdrier from a moderate distance (don't make it too hot) and then a hour or so is enough 22:56:58 <Bjarni> don't use that one ;) 22:57:07 <Brianetta> The tea went between all the membranes 22:57:18 <Brianetta> I can't clean it out without breaking plastic welds 22:57:18 <Bjarni> hairdryer is banned 22:57:21 <mikk36> err 22:57:25 <Bjarni> you should never heat electronics 22:57:30 <glx> you can always install a newer version of openttd over an old one (using zip version) 22:57:31 <mikk36> all the layers should be seperateable 22:57:48 <mikk36> Bjarni, 50-60 degrees is nothing 22:57:48 <Brianetta> mikk36: They are, except at two places where they are welded for alignment 22:57:55 <mikk36> then cut it 22:57:59 <mikk36> and align again later 22:57:59 <Brianetta> Take any Z-Board apart and you'll see what I mean 22:58:05 <Brianetta> I am not cutting it 22:58:15 <mikk36> well, u've lost it anyways then 22:58:20 <Brianetta> I have already bene at it with paper-cloth and water 22:58:23 <Bjarni> drown it with max water flow and see if you are lucky 22:58:25 <mikk36> ur options are: 22:58:32 <Brianetta> It's drying (hopefully) 22:58:36 <mikk36> 1) it's just dead and u're not touching it 22:58:40 <mikk36> 2) u'll fix it :) 22:58:44 <Brianetta> you 22:58:47 <Brianetta> it's spelled you 22:58:55 <mikk36> yayaya :P 22:58:56 <Bjarni> 3) you wait for it to magically repair itself 22:58:56 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 22:59:01 <Brianetta> unless you're using my Z-Board 22:59:15 <Brianetta> in which case you get XB"Y ot7u9- 22:59:23 <mikk36> if the tea is between the layers then it won't magically get fixed 22:59:36 <Brianetta> The tea has been diluted 22:59:48 <mikk36> the remains of it are still there 22:59:52 <mikk36> onle water is gone 22:59:56 <mikk36> only* 22:59:58 <Brianetta> Now I'm relying on basic physics to cause the molecules to become airborne one by one 23:00:05 <mikk36> riiigt 23:00:06 <Bjarni> <mikk36> Bjarni, 50-60 degrees is nothing <-- actually it is if you heat a little area. You risk stressing the PCB and that is what kills PCB 23:00:13 <Brianetta> the tiny tea residue can be dealt with by typing harder 23:00:23 <mikk36> Bjarni, that's why i said to heat it from a moderate distance 23:00:24 <Bjarni> if you slowly heat it up, thenn yes, it can handle 60 °C 23:00:26 <mikk36> not from 10cm 23:00:50 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:52 <Brianetta> Anyway, I'm usinga spare 23:01:19 <Brianetta> and I needed a new Z-Board anyway because the default key tops are wearing out 23:01:36 <Brianetta> and they don't sell replacement default keysets 23:01:58 <mikk36> the keys wear out or just the writings on them ? 23:02:16 <Bjarni> you might be able to heat it up to say 100°C for a short period of time if needed (make sure it's off when you do that). Not more due to whatever liquids the components may contain 23:02:19 *** Ammler [~Ammler@63-182.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 23:02:26 <Bjarni> but you risk taking years of the expected lifetime 23:02:39 <Bjarni> it's better just to wait for it to dry on it's own 23:03:12 <mikk36> just drying won't make it work if it's between 2 layers that are stuck together 23:03:37 <Bjarni> that is what the waterflow should take care of 23:03:43 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:03:55 <mikk36> also u'd have to use destilled water then 23:04:05 <mikk36> else it won't help that much 23:04:20 <mikk36> anyway 23:04:30 <mikk36> 048 on top of 047 is absolutely safe, right ? 23:04:53 <Bjarni> actually that should not be important if you make sure it's disconnected... it's likely safer than heating it up 23:05:01 <Bjarni> <mikk36> 048 on top of 047 is absolutely safe, right ? <-- yes 23:05:07 <glx> mikk36: yes just unzip 0.4.8 over 0.4.7 23:05:21 <glx> no need to use the installer 23:05:21 <Bjarni> if you get problems, then you will be the first one :P 23:05:27 <mikk36> :P 23:05:41 <mikk36> i'll try to be one then 23:06:18 * Bjarni imagines mikk36 screaming "oh no. Now it deleted "my documents"" 23:06:27 <mikk36> that would hurt a bit 23:06:29 *** jchavez [~jchavez@ip24-254-93-99.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [] 23:06:33 <mikk36> but i don't have any savegames :) 23:06:38 <mikk36> i only play online on my desk 23:06:46 <Bjarni> followed by "wait, I looked at the wrong place" 23:07:14 <mikk36> also 23:07:19 <mikk36> i wouln't scream 23:07:23 <mikk36> ;) 23:07:50 <Bjarni> <mikk36> but i don't have any savegames :) <-- not true. You got autosave. You might just overwrite them and never use them again, but that's irreverent 23:07:50 <mikk36> i'd think like this: erm.. what the hell... er.. why is the folder empty ? fuck... not again... fuuuck fuuuuuuck fuckkkkk 23:08:08 <Bjarni> "not again"? :) 23:08:19 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:08:26 <mikk36> i've lost stuff through not completely backing things up before formatting 23:09:13 <glx> I always check carefully before formating :) 23:09:19 <Bjarni> I once lost 3 GB due to a power failure while optimising the disk :( 23:09:44 <mikk36> err.. how, Bjarni ? 23:09:52 <mikk36> a 3GB file ? 23:10:23 <Bjarni> power died with writing in a critical place and the 3 GB disk failed to mount afterwards nomatter what I did 23:10:30 <glx> just broken the FAT (or whatever it's named) 23:10:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-142-193.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:10:47 <mikk36> and u didn't try any restoring programs? 23:10:51 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 23:10:54 <Bjarni> it was an HFS disk 23:11:01 <Bjarni> <mikk36> and u didn't try any restoring programs? <-- they all failed 23:11:05 <mikk36> :/ 23:11:10 <Bjarni> it was really dead 23:11:13 * mikk36 tries to remember what HFS meant 23:11:27 <Bjarni> MacOS filesystem 23:11:31 <mikk36> oh, ok 23:11:51 <Bjarni> got a 16 bit file counter :P 23:11:53 <mikk36> n1 ten :P 23:12:01 <mikk36> hehe... old one then 23:12:06 <Bjarni> or was it block counter... 23:12:31 <mikk36> let's wikipedia for that :) 23:12:33 <Bjarni> anyway, they fixed that and replaced it with the imaginary named HFS+ 23:13:08 <Bjarni> and today it's journaled HFS+ 23:13:33 <Bjarni> you can switch off the journaled part if you like, but why do that :P 23:14:19 <glx> reminds me that Vista is still using NTFS (they failed to finish WinFS :) ) 23:14:56 <mikk36> ax file size 2 GiB 23:14:56 <mikk36> Max number of files 65535 23:14:56 <mikk36> Max filename size 31 characters 23:14:56 <mikk36> Max volume size 2 TiB 23:15:15 <mikk36> glx, what's so bad about ntfs ? 23:15:22 <mikk36> even linux can write it now 23:15:41 <mikk36> freely 23:15:42 <glx> I have no problem with NTFS, but WinFS looked promising 23:15:56 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-200-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:16:07 <Bjarni> <mikk36> Max filename size 31 characters <-- this was nice considering DOS did worse, so it was really long filenames at that time 23:16:09 <mikk36> :) 23:16:18 <mikk36> yeah 23:16:30 <mikk36> introduced in '85 23:16:42 <mikk36> also.. mac still doesn't use the max power of hfs+ :P 23:16:43 * Sacro sneezes 23:16:48 <mikk36> ill, Sacro ? 23:16:49 <glx> yeah f***ing 8.3 filenames always to short to describe what it's in it 23:16:52 <Sacro> XP doesnt use the power of NTFS 23:16:58 <Sacro> mikk36: nah 23:17:12 <Bjarni> <mikk36> also.. mac still doesn't use the max power of hfs+ :P <-- explain 23:17:26 <mikk36> Mac OS files per folder max. file size max. volume size 23:17:26 <mikk36> Mac OS 8 32767 (2^15) 2 GiB 2 TiB 23:17:26 <mikk36> Mac OS 9 32767 (2^15) 2 TiB 2 TiB 23:17:26 <mikk36> Mac OS X 10 & 10.1 2^31 2 TiB 2 TiB 23:17:26 <mikk36> Mac OS X 10.2 2^31 8 TiB 8 TiB 23:17:28 <mikk36> Mac OS X 10.3 & 10.4 2^31 16 TiB 16 TiB 23:17:29 <mikk36> HFS Plus unlimited 16 EiB 16 EiB 23:17:53 <mikk36> :) 23:17:55 <Bjarni> ahh that 23:18:30 <Sacro> hmm, "what is your estimated <span style="font-weight: bold">unearned</span> income before deductions for the academic year 2006/200/ 23:18:38 <Bjarni> they do use it for storing filenames in UTF-8 23:18:42 <Sacro> s/\/$/7/ 23:19:01 <Sacro> hmm, thats a complex one 23:19:05 * Sacro puts 0 23:19:07 <Bjarni> or actually it's wide UTF-8 (iconv calls it UTF-8-MAC) 23:19:39 <Bjarni> it's faster for searching the disk than regular UTF-8 23:19:49 <mikk36> hehe 23:20:00 <mikk36> ntfs supports UTF-16 for filenames :P 23:20:16 <Sacro> it also supports symlinks 23:20:26 <glx> XP doesn't :) 23:20:30 <mikk36> does 23:20:32 <Sacro> WTF 23:20:52 <mikk36> it's called a junction in windows :) 23:20:55 <Sacro> "are you unnder 25 or over or are you under 25 and married or in a civil partnership" 23:21:21 <mikk36> the answer is always yes :D 23:21:23 <glx> Sacro: no I guess 23:21:29 <mikk36> lol 23:21:39 <Bjarni> I like how OSX got different names in GUI (finder) for the buildin stuff, while when you only get English strings when using CLI 23:21:46 <Sacro> oh, its just 25 or over 23:21:57 <Bjarni> apps use the CLI paths, so translations will never make different paths like windows do 23:22:29 <mikk36> wha ? @ Bjarni 23:22:54 <Bjarni> I should use an app developed in Germany and it didn't support spaces in the path, so it died big time due to "Program files" :P 23:23:15 <Bjarni> they translate "Program files" 23:23:36 <Sacro> hehe 23:23:42 <Sacro> mkdir c:/Program :D 23:23:44 <glx> progra~1 works too 23:23:52 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 23:23:54 <glx> at least for accessing 23:24:15 <Bjarni> OSX got the files and dirs in English, and then the default ones are translated when displayed in the GUI 23:24:52 <Bjarni> ensures that /Applications/ is always the place for applications even if you use a translations, that calls that dir something else 23:25:12 <mikk36> Bjarni, should be the same in windows 23:25:28 <Bjarni> well, it's not 23:25:38 <glx> yes but not all programs use that 23:25:39 <Bjarni> I can see that with that German app 23:26:41 <Bjarni> If you should make an app, that relies on translated paths in OSX, you should.... well I don't know.. but at least it's not trivial and you don't do it by accident 23:26:59 <glx> real player created an "accessories" dir under my start menu instead using to default one 23:29:48 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 23:30:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:30:15 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 23:33:14 * Sacro finds the excorcist 23:39:32 *** Rens2Intarweb [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 23:51:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß]