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00:30:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-201-13.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:58 *** xinos [~xinos@ACaen-251-1-28-166.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:37:40 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: adios!] 00:57:09 *** Dark_Elf [~keemiosob@d142-59-177-240.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 00:57:12 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:58:00 <orudge> I'm here 00:58:05 <orudge> oh, wait 00:58:16 <Dark_Elf> lol 00:58:45 <Dark_Elf> autorenew = true 00:58:45 <Dark_Elf> autorenew_months = 12 00:58:51 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a66.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:58:55 <Dark_Elf> That is the config, I thought it wouldn't work with a save 00:58:58 <Dark_Elf> so I started a new game 00:59:01 <Dark_Elf> but still nothing 01:00:41 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:01:13 <Dark_Elf> I tried -12 months as well 01:01:56 <glx> that's for old vehicles, and I think you need a certain amount of money for it 01:02:18 <Dark_Elf> I have tried 0, 100,000 and 200,000 01:02:38 <Dark_Elf> and yes that is what my concern is. I have vehicles that are like 26 years old 01:02:50 <Dark_Elf> like 150 and I am not to excited about replacing them manually 01:03:16 <glx> hmm the breakdowns are disabled? 01:03:24 <Dark_Elf> I had them set at none 01:03:31 <Dark_Elf> they still breakdown though 01:04:06 <glx> they breakdowns with breakdowns off? 01:05:02 <Dark_Elf> yeah 01:05:16 <Dark_Elf> oh wait 01:05:19 <Dark_Elf> no they are at reduced 01:05:20 <Dark_Elf> whoops 01:06:17 <glx> do vehicles visit depot by themself ? 01:07:29 <Dark_Elf> I set all vehicles to service after completing their routes 01:10:00 <glx> so they visit depots 01:10:08 <Dark_Elf> yes 01:10:22 <glx> but they are not replaced when they should 01:10:28 <Dark_Elf> nope 01:10:50 <Dark_Elf> I have had OpenTTD before and it worked I dunno what is wrong this time 01:11:25 <glx> hmm what is your version? 01:11:28 <Dark_Elf> 4.8 01:11:40 <Dark_Elf> should the money not be at 0? 01:12:53 <Dark_Elf> and will it work with saves? I could try starting a new game again I suppose 01:16:27 <glx> I don't know why it fails :( 01:16:56 <glx> and I don't have time to try to reproduce 01:17:41 <Dark_Elf> well I can try again I suppose 01:17:57 <Dark_Elf> can I just ask what the difference between -12 and 12 months is? is -12 before and 12 after the expire date? 01:18:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 01:18:24 <Dark_Elf> and breakdowns affects renewing? 01:18:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> did you try setting this from inside the game? 01:18:40 <Dark_Elf> yes I did 01:18:47 <Dark_Elf> I also looked at the config file 01:18:58 <Dark_Elf> autorenew = true 01:18:58 <Dark_Elf> autorenew_months = 12 01:18:58 <Dark_Elf> autorenew_money = 0 01:19:09 <Dark_Elf> I have tried -12 months btw 01:19:17 <glx> [03:18:32] <Dark_Elf> and breakdowns affects renewing? <-- no, but if breakdowns are off, another patch option can affect depot visiting 01:19:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> what is inside the config file might be overridden by values saved in the game 01:19:54 <Dark_Elf> ah alright Eddi, so if I make changes it doesn't affect my save? 01:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> it might not... i am not sure... not all patch options get saved 01:20:24 <glx> to modify settings in savegame, you need to change them ingame 01:21:21 <glx> autorenew settings are modifiable in game 01:21:40 <Dark_Elf> the save is -12 months at 0,000 minimum 01:21:53 <glx> how much money do you have? 01:22:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> is autorenew switched on? 01:22:37 <Dark_Elf> yes 01:22:47 <Dark_Elf> I have 51 million 01:23:03 <glx> repaid all loan? 01:23:13 <Dark_Elf> oh yes 01:24:19 <Dark_Elf> oh wait 01:24:22 <Dark_Elf> I turned it off 01:24:25 <Dark_Elf> and turned it back on 01:24:27 <Dark_Elf> now they are doing it 01:24:56 <glx> I read that somewhere :) I think it's a known thing 01:24:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... yes... there was mentioning of such a bug 01:25:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd blame Bjarni ;) 01:25:46 <Dark_Elf> ah well thank you very much for your help and time 01:25:49 * glx should store that somewhere in his head for the next time 01:26:06 * Dark_Elf waves 01:26:10 *** Dark_Elf [~keemiosob@d142-59-177-240.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [] 01:27:14 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 01:31:24 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:17 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 01:45:03 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@97.113.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 01:49:59 *** Ammler [~Ammler@234.158.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:47 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:18:08 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18:10 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:24:29 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176113173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 02:28:32 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@97.113.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:33:05 *** Guest56 [Gono@N787P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 02:39:02 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N821P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:39:49 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-144-131-90-235.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 02:41:25 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 02:42:26 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 02:48:59 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:51:27 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:57:10 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 03:05:50 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: You all smell!] 03:40:56 <CIA-2> belugas * r6422 /branches/XTDwidget/ (67 files in 7 dirs): [XTDwidget] -Synch with trunk r6388:6421 03:46:31 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 03:56:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B839D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:59:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B839D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:59:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:59:42 <CIA-2> belugas * r6423 /trunk/widget.c: -Codechange: Replace two magic numbers by appropriate enum/define value 04:02:46 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 04:07:49 *** jnmbk [~jnmbk@81.213.65.180] has joined #openttd 04:38:51 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 04:43:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B839D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:45:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8133C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:45:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:48:31 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:49:01 <robobed> hello 04:49:06 *** robobed is now known as roboboy 05:00:58 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77EE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:01:47 <PandaMojo> Another crash! :( 05:02:11 <PandaMojo> This time I was merging another train into the second one. 05:06:36 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 05:07:04 *** Hagbard_ [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 05:07:12 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B779A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:09:21 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 05:09:39 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 05:10:15 <Tron> DaleStan_: did you see my comment about endianness? 05:16:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:29:23 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 05:32:29 <DaleStan_> Tron: Yes, I did; thanks. 05:32:36 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 05:33:02 <Tron> DaleStan: and the diff? (not related to endianness) 05:35:09 <DaleStan> The one touching sprites.cc and sprites.h? 05:35:36 <DaleStan> I saw it, just forgot about it. 05:37:07 * DaleStan commits. 05:59:45 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:02:15 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2C95F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:03:48 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.147.176] has joined #openttd 06:06:38 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2E7C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:16:36 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 06:17:43 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:19:27 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [] 06:35:15 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 06:38:07 *** Ammler [~Ammler@63.116.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 06:47:22 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:13:33 <PandaMojo> ...wtf? VS2k5 isn't finding any assignments of a window->viewport >_> 07:15:49 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36AE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:19:20 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2CE74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:22:59 <PandaMojo> Oh geeze, industry generation takes forever in debug mode 0_o 07:23:54 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2C95F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:27:12 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-20-179.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 07:35:19 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:46:47 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 07:50:51 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 08:04:32 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-20-179.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:05:12 <peter1138> hmm 08:05:50 <peter1138> when did it start starting new games zoomed out? 08:06:12 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-13372.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:07:55 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-13372.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 08:14:40 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 08:17:30 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-22-137.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 08:30:30 <pumpkin> Hello. iŽm trying to understand some bits of the openttd-code. TrainController(Vehicle *v) in Train_cmd.c gets called every XY ms, right ? For each and every moving train on the whole map ? 08:34:38 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:34:48 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 08:35:04 <peter1138> yes 08:37:17 <pumpkin> thanks. 08:40:35 <Darkvater> jk 08:41:53 <peter1138> dv? 08:42:53 *** grimrc [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:45:54 <Darkvater> peter1138: checking if I was actually here ;p 08:45:58 <Darkvater> peter1138: since TGP 08:47:03 * grimrc went to the doctor this morning and is sad since the doctor sounded ignorant about thyroid hormone like the last one 08:48:22 <guru3> isn't that the one in the neck? 08:48:49 <grimrc> yep 08:49:07 <grimrc> the one which makes you feel tired and ill if it's low 08:52:01 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:58:47 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:01:03 *** jnmbk [~jnmbk@81.213.65.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:59 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 09:05:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DA27.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:06:58 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a66.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:07:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:09:08 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: I'm Gone] 09:18:35 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 09:19:29 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:19:54 <Bjarni> Sacro: I need somebody with your skills 09:20:16 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/autoreplace_no_loop.diff <-- see if you can think of some odd way to break this one 09:20:35 <Sacro> Bjarni: your getting desperate :p 09:20:54 <Bjarni> The numbers in the autoreplace windows should always stay correct. It's your job to find a condition where it fails 09:21:15 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: your getting desperate :p <-- no, I just need somebody with the skill to break everything 09:21:27 <Bjarni> and then you showed up 09:22:09 <Sacro> heh, i know a few ways to break OpenTTD 09:22:45 <Bjarni> I meant doing something to make an incorrect count in the autoreplace window when this patch is applied 09:23:41 <Bjarni> now it caches the number of each engine type you own instead of counting them each time the window redraws. Now I need to find whatever condition (if any) it fails to cache correctly 09:24:00 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Found a condition where it breaks: When I fuck with it. 09:24:35 <Bjarni> let me clarify: try to break it WITHOUT altering the source code ;) 09:25:22 <Prof_Frink> :p 09:31:21 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 09:32:17 <Sacro> heh, was just reading qdb, an sneezed an i must of hit the home button, then wondered why i had deja vu 09:34:28 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 09:35:58 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-22-137.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:36:33 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-22-137.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 09:37:45 <peter1138> must of? 09:39:01 <Sacro> peter1138: s/of/have 09:39:06 <Sacro> / 09:39:41 *** Netsplit helium.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: izhirahider 09:39:45 <peter1138> oh 09:39:45 <peter1138> 've 09:40:27 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F1AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:40:41 *** Netsplit over, joins: izhirahider 09:40:51 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:40:51 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 09:42:16 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:46:42 *** mattfury [~mattfury_@216.164.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:46:50 <mattfury> i think i found a bug 09:46:51 <mattfury> http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6361/sinburgspringstransport11thmay1950tz7.png 09:49:24 <Darkvater> peter1138: ETA? 09:49:52 <peter1138> of? 09:51:54 <Darkvater> he 09:51:54 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:51:56 <Darkvater> LDSA 09:52:05 <Darkvater> ASLD 09:52:07 <peter1138> oh 09:52:08 <peter1138> adsl 09:52:09 <Darkvater> what the! 09:52:11 <peter1138> yesterday 09:52:15 <Darkvater> LSDA 09:52:24 <Darkvater> does it work? 09:52:28 <peter1138> no :P 09:52:38 <Darkvater> I knew I was right 09:52:41 <Darkvater> no sync? 09:52:45 <peter1138> nothink 09:53:18 <Darkvater> :(. I had that years ago. Got my ADSL modem, hooked it up then looked at it day after day after day for the damn led to stop blinking 09:53:46 <ln-> the led is supposed to blink. 09:53:59 <mattfury> should i submit a bug report? 09:54:01 <ln-> leds like blinking, they are happy when they blink. 09:54:23 <mattfury> RX - recieving, TX - transmitting 09:54:52 <mattfury> i got a town with a population of 0 09:54:59 <mattfury> o_0 09:55:15 <Darkvater> ln-: the sync led is suppsed to be on continously 09:56:44 <mattfury> ill submit a bug report 09:57:38 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DA27.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:59:14 <mattfury> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/335 09:59:34 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 10:00:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:01:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> when my DSL got installed, they gave a call that they'd shut down telephone service for a few minutes 10:01:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> that was only few days after i got the modem 10:02:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> that was 7 years after i moved here, and tried to get DSL for the first time ;) 10:05:05 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DA27.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:05:57 <mattfury> it took two weeks for our adsl to be installed. 10:06:02 <mattfury> no problems 10:08:15 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:24 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:09:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:15:04 <mattfury> lol "ping timeout 480 seconds" .. 10:15:34 <mattfury> /ctcp mattfury ping 10:15:40 <mattfury> someone ping me please? 10:16:08 <Sacro> Ping reply from mattfury: ? second(s) 10:16:22 <mattfury> yeah i got the same 10:16:24 <DaleStan> * Ping reply from mattfury: ? second(s) 10:16:33 <mattfury> >1000ms? 10:16:34 *** Tron_ [jQSCW0Ed@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:34 <mattfury> :P 10:16:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> [CTCP] CTCP-PING Antwort von mattfury empfangen: 2 seconds. 10:16:39 <DaleStan> Whatever, that means. 10:16:47 <DaleStan> s/,// 10:17:05 <mattfury> meh, im downloading at 55kb/s strong. 10:17:17 <mattfury> on a 512kbps connection 10:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is more than my entire capacity 10:17:59 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5FFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:18:35 <Sacro> i usually get around 320 max 10:18:40 <Sacro> thats B 10:18:46 <Sacro> kB even 10:19:00 * DaleStan hugs his connection. 10:19:00 <DaleStan> Reliably tests at over 1.25Mbps; peaks at ~3.5Mbps 10:19:21 <mattfury> stfu im aussie :p 10:19:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> stuff you? 10:19:38 <Sacro> oh noes...an aussi! 10:19:44 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: not quite 10:19:49 <mattfury> not an austrian- 10:20:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> i was in austria a few times :) 10:21:17 <Progman> someone here with a svn-account? found a typo 10:21:57 <DaleStan> Progman: Post a diff to http://bugs.openttd.org 10:22:28 <Progman> a diff for one missing space? 10:23:14 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 10:23:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that is what diffs are for :) 10:24:07 *** CoRnJuLIOx [~vircuser@202.128.58.251] has joined #openttd 10:24:10 <DaleStan> Unless it's in the lang files. Then talk to MiHaMiX about getting a webtranslator2 account instead. 10:24:27 *** mattfury [~mattfury_@216.164.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #openttd [Leaving] 10:24:44 <CoRnJuLIOx> do maglevs in the latest version of openttd slow to a crawl when going up a bridge? 10:25:28 <DaleStan> Only if you have "Realistic" accelleration set incorrectly, and no, I don't know which way is incorrect. 10:26:07 <CoRnJuLIOx> ok i set realistic acceleration to on...lets see what happens 10:26:23 <CoRnJuLIOx> hell yes its better 10:26:49 <Darkvater> < lunch 10:28:31 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:30 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 10:30:41 *** _WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 10:33:13 *** Guest56 [Gono@N883P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 10:35:44 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-200.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 10:39:04 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N787P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:55 *** Hagbard_2 [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:41:34 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 10:42:02 *** Hagbard_ [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:42 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6424 /trunk/ (10 files): 10:47:42 <CIA-2> -Codechange: [autoreplace] removed a loop though all vehicles from each time the window is redrawn 10:47:42 <CIA-2> To do this, the player struct contains an array, that contains the count of each engine type that the player owns 10:47:42 <CIA-2> Those arrays are updated each time a vehicle is build or deleted and is calculated on load (it's not saved) 10:47:42 <CIA-2> It's possible to access the arrays outside of the autoreplace GUI, so feel free to read from them in other patches as well 10:48:56 <CoRnJuLIOx> speaking of patches, someone should write the powerful economy patch into the stable build or something, so i can stop playing with a version thats 1000 revisions old. 10:49:38 <Eddi|zuHause> *built </peter> ;) 10:50:35 <Sacro> ? 10:52:56 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36AE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 10:58:23 <Sacro> i <3 MiniIN 11:01:40 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36AE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:13:34 *** Ammler [~Ammler@63.116.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15:59 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081A7F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:16:03 <AsterixMG> hi @all 11:20:50 <Sacro> hey 11:21:59 *** CoRnJuLIOx [~vircuser@202.128.58.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:27:36 <grimrc> lo 11:27:46 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust480.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:28:22 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:22 <grimrc> is there a way to use WE_KEYPRESS to tell if ctrl has been pressed down, or released up (not tapped, but held down or released from a held down pos.) 11:29:46 <grimrc> as in, a change of the ctrl key status 11:31:52 <AsterixMG> don't know, but there must be something like that, cause there is such a thing for the shift-key to speed up the game 11:32:27 <grimrc> ahhh cool; thanks for the tip 11:33:15 <peter1138> that's in the main game loop, i think 11:33:23 <grimrc> mygrep -i 'shift press' 11:33:23 <grimrc> variables.h:VARDEF bool _shift_pressed; // Is Shift pressed? 11:33:25 <grimrc> hehe 11:34:53 <grimrc> actually that's not the one 11:35:13 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F1AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:56 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust480.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:38:10 <Eddi|zuHause> just also store _last_shift_pressed and check for last != current 11:38:40 <grimrc> that's what I thought Eddi|zuHause, with _ctrl_pressed, but that needs another global and might be considered hackish 11:39:12 <Eddi|zuHause> well... that IS how it works ;) 11:39:40 <grimrc> yeah might be only way actually 11:42:07 <AsterixMG> grimrc, what do you need it for? 11:42:44 <grimrc> the rail depot window; I'm making ctrl+drag highlight the vehicles involved, rather than just highlighting the vehicle clicked as it currently does 11:43:18 <CIA-2> miham * r6425 /trunk/lang/ (hungarian.txt turkish.txt): 11:43:18 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-08 13:42:53 11:43:18 <CIA-2> hungarian - 8 fixed by miham (8) 11:43:18 <CIA-2> turkish - 7 fixed by edokan (7) 11:43:50 <AsterixMG> grimrc, if its for a window you can store it in the window-data and don't need a global 11:44:27 <grimrc> oh cool; what window data am I allowed to change 11:44:59 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:45:30 <grimrc> byte custom[WINDOW_CUSTOM_SIZE]? 11:46:07 <AsterixMG> yeah, thats the one i use... you should check if some of the bytes are used otherwise 11:46:27 <AsterixMG> if not you could use w->custom[0] 11:47:06 <CIA-2> miham * r6426 /trunk/lang/hungarian.txt: 11:47:06 <CIA-2> [langchanges] WT2 screwed up hungarian translations, because server ran out of disc space (nightlies took up too much space). 11:47:06 <CIA-2> First step: restore hungarian languagefile 11:47:11 <AsterixMG> if some are used, put it in the first unused :) 11:47:52 <AsterixMG> lol, server ran out of disc-space :P 11:48:40 <grimrc> oh I get the whole something_d now; that struct is used to order byte custom[array] 11:49:16 <Sacro> hmm, on a plane is it red = left, green = ruight, or vice versa 11:49:20 <grimrc> typedef struct { 11:49:20 <grimrc> VehicleID sel; 11:49:20 <grimrc> } traindepot_d; ------ add a new one in here? 11:50:10 <CIA-2> miham * r6427 /trunk/lang/hungarian.txt: 11:50:10 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-08 13:49:45 11:50:10 <CIA-2> hungarian - 8 fixed by miham (8) 11:50:43 <MiHaMiX> AsterixMG: not funny at all, do you know how muc disc space does the nightly build require? 11:50:50 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-22-137.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:51:04 <grimrc> is it the latest nightly builds, or all of them? 11:51:36 <MiHaMiX> all of them 11:51:42 <MiHaMiX> nightly.openttd.org 11:52:20 <AsterixMG> hmm, you mean old nightlies are not deleted? argh 11:52:29 <MiHaMiX> AsterixMG: and well, I was not exact.. server did not run out of disc space, just the allocated disc space was too little 11:52:45 <Tron_> is there a particular reason to keep old source tar balls? 11:52:46 <MiHaMiX> AsterixMG: so I've allocated a bit more 11:52:51 <grimrc> wow yeah - all the sources 11:52:53 <Tron_> except for wasting gigabytes of memory 11:52:59 <MiHaMiX> Tron_: memory? 11:53:07 <MiHaMiX> Tron_: source -- no reason. 11:53:07 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6428 /trunk/vehicle_gui.c: -Codechange: [autoreplace] removed duplicated code to draw the info text in the autoreplace window 11:53:22 <MiHaMiX> Tron_: since can be easily restore the source from svn? 11:53:25 <Tron_> MiHaMiX: memory? ? 11:53:28 <MiHaMiX> s/\?// 11:53:32 <AsterixMG> i think it should be enough to have the last months nightlies or so 11:53:38 <MiHaMiX> Tron_: discspace... 11:53:47 <Tron_> that's just a kind of memory 11:54:04 <MiHaMiX> Tron_: yes, but in this case, we should call it as 'hardware' :D 11:54:05 <Tron_> throw the old source tarballs away 11:54:33 <Tron_> well, tapes, RAM and processor registers are hardware, too 11:54:37 <Bjarni> <MiHaMiX> Tron_: yes, but in this case, we should call it as 'hardware' :D <-- like say SD-RAM is not some kind of hardware :P 11:54:37 <grimrc> a hard disk has more memory than normal RAM funnily enough 11:54:51 <Tron_> Bjarni: hey, how much faster is it? a millisecond per year? 11:55:20 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 11:55:35 <Bjarni> Tron_: I didn't mention anything about increasing speed in this commit. I just removed duplicated code so it's clear what happens 11:55:40 <MiHaMiX> Tron_: will do so, but not now.. I've allocated 10g to the nightlies, and will do a general reorganisation later 11:55:45 <MiHaMiX> Alltaken: hi 11:55:49 <Sacro> heh, i seemt o have a broken level crossing, the lights dont stop flashing 11:55:58 <Tron_> Bjarni: and made it error prone, because updating this happens /somewhere/ 11:56:06 <grimrc> Sacro: save that game then 11:56:23 <Bjarni> oh that commit 11:56:36 <Alltaken> hi 11:56:44 <AsterixMG> hi Alltaken 11:56:49 <Tron_> and don't talk about any speedups 11:56:51 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: yeah I think last 2 months is more than enough 11:57:06 <Tron_> the video loop got noticably faster, because it runs millions of times per second 11:57:08 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ok 11:57:25 <Tron_> the other stuff just a few thousand times per minute at most 11:57:29 <Tron_> that's simply nothing 11:59:30 <Tron_> i'm a compiler constructor and i can barely tell what makes thing faster, so don't presume you can without any hard numbers backing up this claim 12:00:40 <Tron_> i've seen things like removing a redundant command in an inner loop making things twice as slow 12:01:04 <peter1138> mmm, compiler bugs :) 12:01:25 <Tron_> no, it was an assembler statement 12:01:39 <peter1138> oh 12:01:45 <peter1138> hmm 12:01:47 <grimrc> which compiler? was the redundant command good for some kind of alignment/pipelining thing? 12:01:50 <peter1138> cpu bugs? heh 12:01:55 <ln-> bitshifting is the key to great speedups. 12:01:57 <Tron_> the processor simply executed the loop way slower without the redundant command 12:02:12 <Tron_> grimrc: the compiler doesn't matter, it's assembler! 12:02:26 <grimrc> Tron_: just interested in your work 12:02:28 <Tron_> ln-: not on the first generation Pentium 4 12:03:30 <Tron_> grimrc: the comand was a repeated compare. the processor probably failed at result forwarding the condition over basic block boundaries 12:03:36 <grimrc> darn; WE_KEYPRESS isn't triggered for a change of _ctrl_pressed :o( 12:03:59 <Tron_> uh, what change? 12:04:08 <grimrc> lifting or pressing ctrl key 12:04:36 <grimrc> if I toggle my ctrl key, I have to tap another key on the keyboard to trigger WE_KEYPRESS 12:04:41 <Tron_> assigning a value to _ctrl_pressed doesn't cause any WE_ messages 12:04:45 <Tron_> it's just a global variable 12:04:59 <Tron_> WE_KEYPRESS is just for letters and stuff 12:05:24 <Brianetta> The artificial distinction between character keys and mask keys. 12:05:31 <grimrc> I was hoping _ctrl_pressed would be up to date and toggling ctrl key would trigger WE_KEYPRESS 12:05:35 <Tron_> it's not artificial 12:05:45 <Brianetta> Not if you're on a LISP machine 12:05:54 <Brianetta> but it's artificial on a modern keyboard 12:05:55 <Tron_> WE_KEYPRESS just just not for physical pressed keys 12:06:07 <grimrc> I have to use WE_MOUSELOOP? 12:06:15 <Tron_> so the name is rather bad 12:06:30 <Brianetta> yeah, ok 12:06:33 <Brianetta> bad name (: 12:10:40 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6429 /trunk/vehicle_gui.c: 12:10:40 <CIA-2> -Fix: [autoreplace GUI] selecting an empty line will now deselect the engine instead of selecting the first in the list (consistent with all other windows) 12:10:40 <CIA-2> -Fix: [autoreplace GUI] engine info is now drawn in the right side even if the left list is empty 12:12:32 <peter1138> oh, you fixed that first one finally ;p 12:13:04 * Bjarni has no idea why he added the code to break this in the first place 12:13:25 <Bjarni> I guess it must be because it was the first GUI stuff I ever made 12:13:32 <Bjarni> now it just didn't make any sense anymore :P 12:13:44 <Bjarni> and was not needed 12:14:33 * Brianetta waits for new signals (: 12:14:40 <Brianetta> and shared tracks ): 12:14:47 <Darkvater> yaaay o/ 12:15:53 <Bjarni> Darkvater: your two bug reports turned out to be caused by the same piece of code, so I had no choice but to fix both in the same commit... I guess we can live with that ;) 12:16:18 <Darkvater> :) 12:16:26 <Darkvater> only downside is that it took about a year 12:16:47 <Sacro> whoo newsignals 12:17:02 <Bjarni> well, nobody talked about it before now and for some strange reason I didn't notice myself 12:17:35 <Bjarni> I guess I never had the need to deselect the selection or look at an empty list 12:17:49 <peter1138> i bet you never even play the game 12:17:59 <peter1138> you just write code, benchmark and commit... 12:18:10 <Darkvater> *evil* 12:18:13 <Bjarni> how did you know? 12:19:22 <Bjarni> bbl lunch 12:19:38 <Bjarni> (a bit late though, but I'm hungry anyway) 12:20:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8133C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:58 <AsterixMG> peter1138, benchmark? are you sure? :P 12:21:06 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8404E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:22:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:22:17 *** publunch [~publunch@87.112.86.0.bbplus.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:38 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36AE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 12:28:54 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-189-64.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 12:29:56 *** Neonox is now known as Neo_away 12:30:06 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:21 *** Neo_away [~Neonox@ip-80-226-189-64.vodafone-net.de] has quit [] 12:32:11 *** publunch [~publunch@87.112.86.0.bbplus.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:52 <grimrc> I think this patch is clean and a good candidate for miniin or trunk: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/337 12:47:54 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-20-134.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 12:48:51 <Darkvater> grimrc: when you release the ctrl-key you keep dragging a single wagon if I am right 12:49:09 <Darkvater> so just using _ctrl_pressed during WE_PAINT should do it 12:50:34 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:37 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:41 <Born_Acorn> You paint, they paint, he paints, she paints, we all paint! 12:54:48 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:59:35 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 12:59:57 *** _WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: YES I'M SURE!] 13:02:23 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:02:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:03:40 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:07:25 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:19 <Bjarni> <AsterixMG> peter1138, benchmark? are you sure? :P <-- I do... sometimes. I did a lot regarding the cocoa video driver 13:08:32 <Bjarni> I also test for memory leaks once in a while 13:08:50 <Belugas> good day all 13:08:50 <Bjarni> specially when I touch code regarding malloc ;) 13:08:57 <Bjarni> good day friend 13:09:24 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.147.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:58 <peter1138> calloc(1, sizeof(*Bjarni)); 13:10:25 <Bjarni> that would be the size of your finger 13:10:36 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 13:10:36 <Bjarni> since you allocate space for the pointer only ;) 13:11:21 <peter1138> bzzt 13:11:55 <Darkvater> Bjarni: what ARE you talking about? 13:12:25 * Belugas is friend of Bjarni 13:12:30 * Belugas is friend of peter1138 13:12:36 * Belugas is friend of glx 13:12:44 * Belugas is friend of ... 13:12:45 <Belugas> shut up 13:13:02 <hylje> :E 13:13:05 <Bjarni> who is shut up? 13:13:25 <Bjarni> and wouldn't it be Shut Up, since it appears to be a name 13:13:27 <Bjarni> :P 13:17:47 <Born_Acorn> He might know these guys : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoppit_and_Tidyup 13:19:53 <Darkvater> Bjarni: I hope you realize that Bjarni is a pointer and the *dereferences this pointer 13:20:05 <Darkvater> therefore sizeof(*bjarni) will get you the whole deal 13:20:14 * Darkvater wouldn't trust bjarni with any pointers 13:40:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:37 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 13:45:14 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N883P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:17 <Bjarni> hmm 13:45:24 <Bjarni> Darkvater might have a point there 13:45:55 <Bjarni> bbl 13:47:40 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176113173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:48:45 <ln-> what do openttd coding style guidelines say about accessing arrays with the '1[array]' syntax instead of 'array[1]'? 13:49:17 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:51:51 <Naksu> do you have to use 1[array]? 13:52:16 <ln-> no, but it is possible. 13:52:29 <glx> it looks weird 13:55:02 * Belugas agrees with glx 13:55:28 <Belugas> if it is not in the coding style, might be wise to not use it ;) 13:56:03 <Darkvater> 1[array] works? 13:56:07 * Darkvater goes testing this 13:56:35 <ln-> sure it does. 13:57:12 <Darkvater> he, never knew 13:57:20 <Darkvater> why would you want to do this? 13:57:46 <ln-> no reason, just asking :) 14:01:55 *** CoRnJuLIOx [~vircuser@202.128.58.251] has joined #openttd 14:02:19 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:02:27 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 14:02:37 <CoRnJuLIOx> i just noticed, in the finances screen, theres a field named "other" what expenses does "other" cover? 14:02:55 <grimrc> Darkvater: I needed the rail depot window to redraw whenever ctrl key was released or pressed; I tried WE_KEYPRESS but that doesn't trigger when ctrl key is toggled, so I put the test in WE_MOUSELOOP; WE_PAINT only happens when the window is being repainted, right? I need to force repaint when ctrl toggled 14:03:02 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:04:08 <Belugas> SetWindowDirty? 14:04:13 <grimrc> ye[ 14:04:14 <grimrc> yep 14:04:32 <grimrc> actually, I've thought of a better place to put the ctrl key test 14:06:56 <grimrc> actually, no I haven't 14:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause> CoRnJuLIOx: things like loan interest, bribing, other things ;) 14:07:26 <CoRnJuLIOx> ohhhh, "other" things 14:07:48 <CoRnJuLIOx> i had to bribe a bunch of towns to let me build 14:09:12 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:11:35 <Darkvater> grimrc: I see. Don't think it makes much sense though. The use of CTRL is advanced, and when you get there to use this advanced feature, you don't need being pampered by extra highlighting 14:13:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i do think this could be useful... 14:13:31 <Eddi|zuHause> for people who "accidently" stumble over this feature ;) 14:14:30 <Darkvater> they wouldn't even know what itis 14:14:38 <Darkvater> probably complain that it's a bug 14:14:45 <Darkvater> like when you press CAPSLOCK in a debug build 14:15:23 <glx> isn't shift the fastforward in debug build? 14:15:28 <Darkvater> yes 14:15:44 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: I'm gone, bye bye :)] 14:15:49 <glx> what does CAPSLOCK in debug ? 14:16:36 <glx> Bjarni: you did it again 14:16:36 <glx> ===> Compiling vehicle_gui.c 14:16:36 <glx> vehicle_gui.c: In function `ReplaceVehicleWndProc': 14:16:36 <glx> vehicle_gui.c:788: warning: ISO C90 forbids mixed declarations and code 14:19:44 <Darkvater> glx: try it :) 14:20:37 <glx> nice garbage on screen :) 14:21:50 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:24:33 <grimrc> I think the ctrl highlighting looks prettier and more correct 14:24:37 <grimrc> but I'm biased 14:25:47 <Darkvater> good job bjarni: you managed to not even get memset right 14:27:33 <Darkvater> r6428: wow, nice loop you gt there 14:27:50 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-20-134.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:13 * Darkvater gets back to work 14:28:53 <ln-> Darkvater: are you trying to insult bjarni? 14:29:18 <Darkvater> is this trying? 14:29:21 <Darkvater> I need try harder 14:31:20 <ln-> what good does it do to insult him? 14:33:25 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:38:12 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:39:01 <peter1138> why const on non-pointers? 14:40:48 <peter1138> "draw_locomotive" o_O 14:41:43 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:42:40 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:43:24 <CoRnJuLIOx> how do you get rid of a train wreck? 14:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause> wait 14:43:42 <CoRnJuLIOx> that the only way? 14:43:50 <CoRnJuLIOx> argh. stupid me for forgetting to put the signal up 14:44:40 <peter1138> heh 14:45:24 <CoRnJuLIOx> more like "boom" 14:47:38 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 14:50:58 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-20-134.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 14:52:23 <ln-> let's have an "Insult Bjarni" day, shall we? that would enhance the processes of the project. 14:53:01 <peter1138> i've a better idea 14:53:08 <peter1138> ln-: you utter cock 14:53:47 <ln-> i'm no bird. 14:54:16 <peter1138> damn 14:54:19 <grimrc> but, I only know one other type of cock 14:54:30 <peter1138> cockles 14:54:33 <grimrc> *bah bum tschhhh* 15:05:13 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 15:10:18 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:10:23 *** e1ko_AfK [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:10:40 *** e1ko_AfK is now known as e1ko 15:11:47 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:47 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 15:14:15 *** TronBSD [~tron@p54A3FAFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:42 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:36 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FC30.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:26 *** Ajcon [~ajcon2@83.145.59.26] has joined #openttd 15:33:10 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_AfK 15:34:08 <CoRnJuLIOx> does the game run even when the window is out of focus or minimized? 15:36:28 <ln-> probably yes. often in fast-forward mode. 15:38:46 <CoRnJuLIOx> you mean it switches to fast forward mode when out of focus, or it will only run out of focus while in fast forward mode? 15:39:38 <ln-> it switches to fast forward mode. 15:40:13 <ln-> hmm, maybe not anymore. it used to. 15:45:17 <ln-> does any of you have a dual screen system? 15:45:21 <ln-> peter1138: e.g. you, you chicken? 15:49:54 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:52:23 *** e1ko_AfK is now known as e1ko 15:58:06 *** jez [~user@193.39.246.1] has joined #openttd 15:58:16 <jez> How was the default AI in openTTD implemented? 15:59:18 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 16:00:08 <peter1138> well, yes, i do 16:04:36 <ln-> OTTD works quite nicely on two screens in fullscreen mode, doesn't it? (at least under linux) 16:06:03 <jez> depends how you mean by works 16:06:10 <jez> not much point in playing in single player 16:06:38 <ln-> huh? 16:07:04 <ln-> is there no point in having e.g. 2048x768 resolution? 16:07:26 <jez> no challenge 16:07:29 <Belugas> i'm on dual screen, single player and i love it full blown. 16:07:32 <grimrc> anyone know how to get allocated a spare spriteID? 16:07:40 <Belugas> it's for the aesthetics :) 16:07:59 <grimrc> I want to construct a new sprite from 2 old ones 16:08:09 <ln-> Belugas: do you like the fact that the statusbar and toolbar are splitted to bo both screens? 16:08:22 <Belugas> i do not care :) 16:08:33 <grimrc> ln-: should they be duplicated? 16:09:06 <Belugas> naaaa.... 16:09:16 <Belugas> just move your eyes left or right :) 16:09:29 <ln-> grimrc: i prefer having them centered on my left screen, but duplicating is an alternative, too. 16:09:45 <ln-> in fact i have a patch that centers them on the left screen. 16:09:56 <Belugas> although... i wonder if the status bar should follow the movements of the toolbar... 16:10:23 <grimrc> how does SDL use 2 screens? I was trying to find out if it's possible to get SDL to make more windows (that can be moved over each other or not) 16:10:45 <hylje> you just stretch the damn window to both screens 16:10:52 <grimrc> oh heh 16:10:58 <ln-> or press alt-enter so it expands itself to both screens. 16:11:10 <grimrc> not what I was looking for 16:12:00 <ln-> SDL's cvs version may support more than 1 window. 16:12:47 <grimrc> just wondering if you could free windows in openttd so they could be moved outside the main viewport 16:13:33 <ln-> anything is possible with a computer, but after how much work... 16:13:56 <grimrc> ln-: SDL knowledge can be an asset 16:14:01 <Belugas> my dual screen installation is a bit peculiar... Both screens are joined as one big desktop. My Window status bar spawn across both displays 16:14:02 <grimrc> someitmes 16:14:47 <ln-> Belugas: ain't that a little silly? do your applications know about the two physical screens' boundary at all? 16:14:48 *** Sionide_ [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:14:51 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:39 <Belugas> ln- : i do not find it silly, rather comfy. I find silly having my task bar only on one screen and not the other... 16:16:59 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:17:02 <Belugas> and yes, my apps are aware of the differences between the two screens 16:17:14 <Belugas> Matrox made a fine job with that card :) 16:17:22 <grimrc> xserver? 16:18:05 * Belugas wonders what grimrc means by that 16:18:13 <grimrc> you run x11? 16:18:21 <Belugas> nope. Win XP 16:18:27 <grimrc> ohh 16:18:52 <grimrc> nobody's perfect 16:19:07 <Belugas> well... tell that to my boss :) 16:19:12 <grimrc> hehe 16:19:23 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:19:24 <Belugas> XP is fine for me, since it is the OS our customers are using :) 16:19:34 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:19:43 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:55 <Belugas> and i'm a lot more happy with XP then with NT 3.51, NT 4 16:20:06 <jez> how can you people bear to have such a great game with such a bad AI? :-) 16:20:06 <grimrc> sure; you didn't tell me how to contact your boss 16:20:30 <grimrc> jez: are you going to do something about it? 16:20:33 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:51 *** CoRnJuLIOx [~vircuser@202.128.58.251] has quit [Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby] 16:21:06 *** smeding_ is now known as smeding 16:21:39 <grimrc> dear Belugas's boss, unix is the besta!!!1! 16:22:18 <jez> why would i, i dont have the skill 16:23:37 <grimrc> you could eventually: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=C+tutorial&btnG=Google+Search&meta= 16:25:00 <jez> erm, i can program in C 16:25:04 <jez> i don't have the skill to create a good AI 16:25:36 <Belugas> Dear grimrc, thuis is Beluga's boss. Thanks for you interest in our systems. Good idea, we are going to throw away years and years of research, knowledge base and customers. Indeed Linux/Unix is so much easier to maintain/operate then XP... 16:25:38 <grimrc> neither do I 16:26:05 <Belugas> Oh... for sure, we would have to rewrite entirely our 1 millions/lines of Delphi code in... what... C? 16:26:16 <grimrc> in bash of course 16:26:20 <jez> hmm 16:26:38 <hylje> PERL! 16:26:41 <grimrc> what's spriteid 0 for 16:26:42 <jez> i shoule take a look at that alpha AI they were doing. although i'd prefer a plugin module AI system 16:26:43 <jez> scriptable AI 16:27:39 <jez> although then you'd have to implement a script interpreter 16:27:44 <grimrc> is this relevant jez? http://libgpmi.org/docs/gpmi_openttd/index.htm 16:28:05 <grimrc> jez: some of use want to use lua 16:28:28 <grimrc> for the script language 16:28:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host42-232.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 16:29:06 <jez> is this who wrote that alpha AI that's in the patches section? 16:29:07 <Wolf01> hi 16:30:37 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 16:32:41 <jez> grimrc: aw, shame they havent offered a decent AI 16:37:38 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176104029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:39:28 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host204-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:39:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host42-232.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolfolo|AWAY))] 16:40:27 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176113173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:35 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 16:43:21 *** jez [~user@193.39.246.1] has quit [] 16:44:11 <grimrc> oh he's gone 16:45:45 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 16:47:29 <Bjarni> <ln-> let's have an "Insult Bjarni" day, shall we? that would enhance the processes of the project. <-- it appears so. If I didn't commit anything, nobody would be upset 16:47:57 <hylje> hah 16:53:56 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, got time to talk? 16:54:25 <Bjarni> maybe 16:54:35 * Bjarni goes to get his calendar 16:54:48 <AsterixMG> tell me when that maybe changes to yes ;) 16:55:08 <Bjarni> well, the calendar didn't tell me what to do now 16:55:22 <Bjarni> it didn't say IRC or development :/ 16:55:44 <AsterixMG> bad bad calendar 16:57:03 <AsterixMG> so now your brain has to decide 16:57:06 <Bjarni> ok, screw unlisted stuff in the calendar 16:58:46 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: so what do you want to say? 16:59:20 <AsterixMG> did you look at the patch tonight? 16:59:33 <AsterixMG> any comments on it? 16:59:40 <Bjarni> I haven't done it tonight 17:00:33 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 17:00:35 <AsterixMG> hehe, was a bit late or actually early morning :) 17:00:36 *** Carib [~caribou27@AToulon-151-1-165-99.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:00:58 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:59 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 17:02:23 <AsterixMG> ok, theres one more thing: i want to show the number of vehicles scheduled for a station in the statswindow, too. 17:02:34 <AsterixMG> theres two possible ways of doing this 17:03:42 <AsterixMG> first: use buildvehiclelist to make a list and only display the number of found items (this would be needed to be done everytime a stats-window is opened, so i think its a bad idea) 17:04:03 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has joined #openttd 17:04:05 <webfreakz> hi 17:04:18 <webfreakz> MSVS2005 bugs me about this: 17:04:19 <webfreakz> vehicle_gui.c 17:04:19 <webfreakz> .\vehicle_gui.c(788) : error C2275: 'byte' : illegal use of this type as an expression 17:04:19 <webfreakz> g:$games\#openttd_sources\trunk\stdafx.h(184) : see declaration of 'byte' 17:04:19 <webfreakz> .\vehicle_gui.c(788) : error C2146: syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'i' 17:04:20 <webfreakz> .\vehicle_gui.c(788) : error C2065: 'i' : undeclared identifier 17:04:37 <Darkvater> home 17:04:48 <webfreakz> compiling fails after that 17:04:48 <Wolf01> i want to set up the environment to code something for the NDS, there is anybody that uses the NDS SDK and OTTD with the same installation of MSYS? 17:04:54 <Darkvater> you cannot define variables after assignments 17:05:16 <webfreakz> ah 17:05:22 <AsterixMG> second: make a counting-function that counts them on load/startup and keep track of the number later on (just like you do with vehicle-types), which is what i thin is better 17:05:27 <Darkvater> Bjarni: while you're at it, fixing the vehicle_gui bug, can you also remove the redundant parameter you've added and correct memset? 17:05:32 <webfreakz> i moved the line 2 lines upwards and it compiles now 17:05:49 <webfreakz> is it commited to SVN already? 17:06:23 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 17:06:50 <AsterixMG> webfreakz, i think you don't have to put that on flyspray :) 17:07:06 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-13372.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: edgepro: There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so on.] 17:07:10 <AsterixMG> but its not committed yet 17:07:54 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:54 <webfreakz> asterixmg, i wasn't about to put it on flyspray :) 17:08:30 <AsterixMG> hmm, no tab-completion, webfreakz? 17:09:07 <AsterixMG> i would be too lazy to type the whole name then ;) 17:09:58 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 17:11:34 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-13372.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 17:13:15 <webfreakz> asterixmg, you mean when typing 'asterixmg' ?? but GAIM doesn't have such a feature 17:13:22 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:06 <AsterixMG> even this crappy mozilla-built-in-client has tab-completion :) 17:15:26 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 17:16:59 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: while you're at it, fixing the vehicle_gui bug, can you also remove the redundant parameter you've added and correct memset? <-- err, I read the manual for memset and set it as I thought was correct, so I don't know what you want it to look like :s 17:18:46 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: having a cache to avoid too many loops would be nice if you can manage to keep the content of the cache up to date. If you allow the cache to contain incorrect data, then it's no good ;) 17:18:52 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust480.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:19:21 *** Sionide_ [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:55 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, keeping it up to date should work (i already did it with my old stats-patch)... so theres one question: should i make it a separate patch or include it in the already existing one? 17:20:52 <AsterixMG> doing it in a separate one would be easy and leave the current one as is 17:21:39 <Darkvater> void *memset(void *s, int c, size_t n); 17:21:48 <Born_Acorn> I hate how trains which carry Mail in the heads but have passenger carriages load the mail, and leave with no passengers. Is that changeable? 17:21:48 <Darkvater> The memset() function fills the first n bytes of the memory area pointed to by s with the constant byte c. 17:21:52 <AsterixMG> (even though i already put in a string telling that it will be there in the futute) 17:22:04 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Don't follow me] 17:22:27 <Darkvater> Bjarni: *n* bytes of memory. Your array is *NOT* _n_ bytes, but has ENGINE_NUM elements of a certain size 17:22:37 <Darkvater> Bjarni: this size happens to be uint16 which is *2* bytes 17:23:34 <Bjarni> oops 17:23:36 <Bjarni> hmm 17:23:40 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 17:23:47 <Darkvater> I donnu what manual you've read but I suggest to dump it 17:23:50 <Bjarni> it appeared to work anyway for some reason 17:23:54 <Born_Acorn> It's poo. I started this service to carry passengers, not mail 17:23:55 <Born_Acorn> booo 17:24:19 <Darkvater> Bjarni: if you call resetting only half or your array working, then yes 17:25:52 <AsterixMG> hmm, memset... maybe i should do some TIC-TOC to find out if it is faster in my case or not :) 17:26:29 <AsterixMG> Darkvater, the count in TOC tells how often to test it? 17:26:44 <Bjarni> Darkvater: no, I mean I tested it and it appeared that I got 0 on the rest of the array as well for some reason 17:27:06 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust480.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:08 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:27:26 <Darkvater> AsterixMG: the count says after how many iterations should something be printed 17:27:35 *** Ammler [~Ammler@194.153.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 17:28:00 <Darkvater> I doubt that 17:28:13 <AsterixMG> ah, okay, so i have to take care its called often enough :) 17:28:25 <Darkvater> it depends 17:28:32 <Darkvater> or just give it TOC("asterix testing", 1) 17:29:15 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:30:18 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:25 <Bjarni> Darkvater: memset(p->num_engines, 0, sizeof(p->num_engines)); <-- do you mean it should look like this? 17:31:58 <glx> ENGINE_NUM * sizeof() 17:32:25 <glx> hmm I'm wrong :) 17:32:26 <Darkvater> glx: since when? 17:32:53 <glx> Darkvater: since my brain is broken :) 17:33:53 <Bjarni> sizeof(p->num_engines) <-- this is sizeof the whole array, right? 17:34:00 <Darkvater> you either do sizeof(p->num_engines) or ENGINE_NUM * lengthof(p->num_engines) 17:34:05 <Darkvater> Bjarni: but go test it bjarni 17:34:18 <Bjarni> ENGINE_NUM * sizeof(sizeof(p->num_engines[0])) 17:34:28 *** Ammler [~Ammler@194.153.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:29 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has left #openttd [] 17:34:50 <Darkvater> o_O 17:34:51 <Bjarni> Darkvater: you see, I test it for vehicles with index more than 200 and it appears to work 17:35:09 <Darkvater> it doesn't work 17:35:10 <Darkvater> period 17:35:37 <Darkvater> sizeof(p->num_engines) << use this preferrably 17:35:46 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.4/2006072904]] 17:36:55 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> it doesn't work <-- then explain how it can be set to 0, altered to more than zero and then resetting the player, it's magically 0 again 17:36:58 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:17 <Darkvater> just try this 17:37:18 <Darkvater> p->num_engines[TOTAL_NUM_ENGINES - 1] = 1337; 17:37:18 <Darkvater> memset(p->num_engines, 0, TOTAL_NUM_ENGINES); 17:38:05 <Darkvater> << bbl 17:38:17 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:28 <Darkvater> and if it works for you for some totaaly bizarre reason, think about the others who do not use your magic machine 17:40:32 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-249-119.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 17:46:24 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F1AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:07 <Tron_> Darkvater> memset(p->num_engines, 0, TOTAL_NUM_ENGINES); <--- TOTAL_NUM_ENGINES * sizeof(*p->num_engines) please 17:51:37 <Tron_> nvm 17:52:20 <AsterixMG> hmm, memset seems to be slower than my own initialization-loop :/ 17:54:49 <publunch> lagginess 17:55:54 <AsterixMG> hmm, i dont think its lag thats responsible for the average of 200 tries for memset being twice the time than for my loop 17:57:25 <AsterixMG> seems to be a good example for compiler-magic... 17:59:51 <AsterixMG> anyone around that has a big savegame for nightlies, can compile a patch and wants to do a benchmarking-test for me on a platform other than winXP? :P 18:04:29 <grimrc> don't all volunteer at once 18:05:05 <scia> ok, playing ottd in multiplayer mode was a mistake :( 18:08:38 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-20-134.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:05 *** MrSmith [imie2004@host-81-190-149-109.olsztyn.mm.pl] has joined #openttd 18:13:07 *** MrSmith [imie2004@host-81-190-149-109.olsztyn.mm.pl] has quit [] 18:13:48 <AsterixMG> hmm, ok seems that a functioncall is the thing thats slow... if i completely replace my functioncall by the memset its a little bit faster, but not much (well, maybe my savegame is too small, too) 18:26:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 18:31:13 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:22 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-249-119.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: muss wech] 18:42:14 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 18:42:36 <RichK67> ping Darkvater 18:42:58 <AsterixMG> hi RichK67, doing some work on miniin? 18:43:12 <RichK67> not right now - sometime this weekend though 18:44:25 <AsterixMG> good, then i still have time to get my stats-patch right :) 18:44:55 <RichK67> sure - ive been watching that ... sort of like waypoint stats on steroids ;) 18:45:50 <AsterixMG> RichK67, i've seen those wp-stats... well, it looks quite similar to the way i did them back in my old stats-patch :) 18:46:12 <RichK67> do consider whether you want to save the stats in the same way wp does 18:46:23 <AsterixMG> you don't like the colours? 18:46:45 <RichK67> what colours? 18:47:07 <AsterixMG> the colours of the stats 18:47:24 <AsterixMG> they are the same as in my post in the dev-forum 18:47:42 <RichK67> ah - ive not applied the patch yet - im sort of watching the forum; any screenies are useful 18:47:48 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:28 <AsterixMG> hmm, yeah i should make some up-to-date ones :) 18:50:02 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 18:50:51 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by glx|away))] 18:50:57 *** glx|away is now known as glx 18:51:32 <publunch> colors 18:51:38 <publunch> hehehe 18:53:43 <AsterixMG> its only "colors" in amerikan english afaik 18:54:01 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F1AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:03 *** grimrc [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: cya laters! look @ patches on flyspray] 18:54:18 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-12-135.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 18:59:11 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: why do you speak corrupted English? 18:59:51 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, i don't: i used "colours" like i learned at school :) 19:00:32 <Bjarni> amerikan english <-- it's "American English" 19:00:40 <RichK67> colours is correct English English... or even International English... its only in American English its colors 19:02:06 <AsterixMG> argh, didn't notice that typo 19:02:50 <Bjarni> it was not a typo, it was corruption 19:04:33 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:05:07 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, new diff for you to look at: http://mitglied.lycos.de/kuttler/ottd/station_stats_6.diff 19:05:40 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:06:14 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 19:06:22 <AsterixMG> and for everyone interested here's a current screenshot of the stats-window: http://mitglied.lycos.de/kuttler/ottd/stats_window.png 19:07:17 <AsterixMG> hmm, forgot to remove the vehicle_gui.c-fix before creating the patch :) 19:07:22 <Rubidium> AsterixMG: you do not have to number the STS_VEH_ALL till STS_VEH_TYPES in the enum in stations.h 19:08:44 <AsterixMG> Rubidium, how should i do it then? i don't want to use magic numbers 19:09:31 <Rubidium> just remove the '= <number>' from those enums I just mentioned 19:10:31 <AsterixMG> does it still numer them? i use them later on in a calculation, too 19:10:36 <AsterixMG> *number 19:11:03 <Rubidium> station_gui.c, StationStatsWndProc: please do not add { } in cases _unless_ you introduce variables and need to be at the beginning of scope/block 19:11:12 <Rubidium> it automagically numbers them 19:11:38 <Rubidium> the first become = 0, the rest 'previous value + 1' 19:12:35 <AsterixMG> ah, ok, didn't know that yet 19:13:25 <Rubidium> and remove the tabs between 'case <number>:' and the comment in StationStatsWndProc, one space is enough 19:15:15 <Rubidium> maybe you should rename STS_VEH_TYPES to something like STS_VEH_TYPE_COUNT or STS_NUMBER_OF_VEH_TYPES to make the name more descriptive 19:17:10 *** Carib [~caribou27@AToulon-151-1-165-99.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 19:17:13 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:31 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 19:26:07 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:15 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 19:38:16 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6430 /trunk/players.c: -Fix r6424: fixed failure to init the whole array of engines when starting a new player 19:39:08 <Bjarni> luckily since this data is not saved, incorrect data will be corrected by saving and then loading that savegame :) 19:39:48 <AsterixMG> you forgot to fix vehicle_gui.c :) 19:40:12 <Bjarni> ... 19:40:21 <Bjarni> what's wrong with vehicle_gui.c? 19:40:23 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:39 <AsterixMG> btw, diff updated with the suggestions Rubidium made (hopefully i didn't miss some) 19:40:44 <Bjarni> ok, I know issues, but it's likely not what you are talking about 19:41:07 <AsterixMG> byte i; is after initialising values 19:41:25 <Bjarni> ... 19:41:28 <AsterixMG> lin 788 19:41:28 <Bjarni> not again :( 19:41:50 <AsterixMG> just move it up 2 lines 19:41:57 <hylje> :3 19:43:16 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6431 /trunk/vehicle_gui.c: -Fix r6424: removed a declaration after statement in ReplaceVehicleWndProc() 19:43:30 * Bjarni kicks gcc 19:43:41 <Bjarni> it stopped showing me the warning about that issue :( 19:44:10 <izhirahider> woohoo 19:44:26 <Rubidium> AsterixMG: there is no need to add the number in a comment after an enum; it only gets outdated if somebody decides to put a enum in between 19:44:28 <Bjarni> and it works perfectly good except on windows 19:44:28 <AsterixMG> hehe, for me this warning is treated as error -> no compile 19:44:44 <Bjarni> but I don't even get a warning... 19:44:55 <Rubidium> Bjarni: what compiler do you have? 19:45:04 <Bjarni> I used to, but not anymore for some odd reason 19:45:06 <Bjarni> gcc 4 19:45:27 <Bjarni> i686-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5341) 19:46:16 <Bjarni> I lacked this warning when using gcc 3.3. When I updated to 4, I got it and now it's gone again 19:46:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-201-116.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:46:56 <Rubidium> strange, can it be that the makefile does not pass the right flags? 19:47:32 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:58 <Rubidium> AsterixMG: StationStatsWndProc, the code under the STS_VEH_ALL enum is indented one tab too much 19:49:26 <AsterixMG> grmbl, yeah, removed the { } and forgot to change the indentation :/ 19:50:19 <Rubidium> you can remove the '{' and '}' in station_gui.c about line 880 19:50:36 <Bjarni> hmm 19:50:39 <Bjarni> CC_VERSION is 40 19:50:47 <Rubidium> and please look at the coding style for comments 19:51:28 <hylje> :E 19:52:49 <AsterixMG> Rubidium, i know that the comments are not yet done right :) 19:54:33 <AsterixMG> but what { } do you mean? could you tell me the line before or after, Rubidium ? 19:54:41 <Rubidium> after 19:58:24 <AsterixMG> Rubidium, you mean that around case 14? 19:58:51 <Rubidium> hmm, yeah, meant those, but I now see the allocation 19:59:02 <Rubidium> though the allocation is not needed 19:59:21 <AsterixMG> ah, ok, i thought i was blind cause i didn't find them :) 19:59:44 <Rubidium> ShowStationStatsWindow(GetStation(w->window_number)) and the break is enough 20:00:31 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6432 /trunk/os/macosx/Makefile: -Fix r4987: [OSX] added CCFLAGS to OSX targets as well 20:00:53 <Bjarni> KUDr missed adding it to the part without ifdef OSX :( 20:01:03 <Bjarni> now I get that warning again 20:01:57 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:02:08 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-12-135.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:10 <KUDr> hmm 20:02:33 <KUDr> CCFLAGS tells me nothing 20:02:45 <Bjarni> makefile stuff 20:03:00 <Bjarni> maybe I should look into the branch to see who really skipped the OSX targets 20:03:15 <Bjarni> but it's not important 20:03:21 <KUDr> yes, but why do you think that i forgot something when i don't understand it at all 20:03:47 <KUDr> repair it if you see problem 20:03:51 <Bjarni> revision 4987 is the YAPF merge 20:04:02 <KUDr> i don't have OSX as well as most users here 20:04:30 <Bjarni> I fixed the issue, but I had to break compilation on windows to really investigate this issue 20:04:44 <KUDr> ohh 20:04:47 <AsterixMG> lol 20:04:55 <KUDr> so it doesn't work now? 20:05:19 <Bjarni> I have been missing warnings since the merge, but I just fixed the issue 20:05:26 <Bjarni> with the commit I did 5 minutes ago 20:05:33 <KUDr> aha 20:05:39 <KUDr> good 20:05:43 <KUDr> thanks 20:05:54 <AsterixMG> i would have noticed if windows didn't work :) 20:06:10 <Bjarni> I didn't notice that it didn't give me the warnings until other people complained that I committed stuff with warnings in it and I didn't get them 20:06:19 <hylje> make a release with note "Please note that windows builds are broken, will be fixed at next release." 20:06:41 <KUDr> :) 20:07:35 <Bjarni> oddly enough the nightly build appears to have compiled 20:07:57 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:03 <Rubidium> only MSVC are configured with 'treat warnings as errors' 20:08:06 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:08:19 * Bjarni blames Bill for this issue 20:09:57 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:10:04 * smeding blames Bill for everything 20:10:45 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:11:00 * Bjarni wonders how smeding will argue for blaming Bill for the start of WW1 20:11:16 <smeding> he went back in time to kill Franz Ferdinand 20:11:24 <Bjarni> ahh 20:11:25 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 20:11:46 * Bjarni wonders how to blame Bill for the birth of smeding 20:12:03 <smeding> who says i was born 20:12:04 <Bjarni> smeding: you just got a new father? 20:12:12 <smeding> i was built in a lab. :< 20:12:20 <smeding> and Bill egged my creator on to do it. 20:12:25 <smeding> by going back in time, of course. 20:12:42 <Bjarni> Bill killed the dinosaurs? 20:13:08 <Bjarni> Bill killed Hitler? 20:13:54 <Bjarni> now that's logical. He read in the history books that Hitler had to be shot and he will travel back in time, shoot Hitler and return before anybody sees him 20:14:23 <Bjarni> now if Bill gets run over before he makes that journey, then what? 20:14:38 <hylje> Superman is Hitler 20:15:11 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 20:15:14 <smeding> Bjarni: seeing as Hitler got shot, it doesn't happen. self-fulfilling phrophecy thing. 20:15:18 <Bjarni> hylje: only in Finland :P 20:15:46 <hylje> no, according to the comic canon 20:15:48 <smeding> also, he will elongate his life but stage his own death using technology he brings himself from the future, to which he got by not dying 20:16:08 <Bjarni> how ironic 20:16:19 <Bjarni> windows dies all the time, but the creator of windows can't die 20:16:46 <hylje> isnt it 20:17:08 <hylje> and also according to superman canon, superman-hitler did do teh holocaust 20:17:25 <smeding> oh and eventually Bill dies, but he builds a robot of himself to do the job 20:17:31 <Bjarni> hylje: you did the holocaust 20:17:41 <hylje> o srsly? 20:17:41 <Bjarni> I will just have to write that story 20:17:44 <Bjarni> brb 20:17:52 <smeding> in 4000 years he will be controlling earth and every prospect of its future using time manipulation 20:18:13 <smeding> and then a small group of time rebels battle the odds and defeat him 20:18:18 <smeding> which is why he isn't everywhere here. 20:18:24 <Bjarni> back 20:18:50 <Bjarni> the story about how a normal boy turned into a mass murderer 20:19:04 <Bjarni> once upon a time, there was a boy named hylje 20:19:16 <hylje> lolocaust 20:19:22 <hylje> this will be amusing 20:19:29 <Bjarni> he grew up and found that he didn't like a group of people 20:19:37 <Bjarni> so he ordered some men to kill them 20:19:40 <Bjarni> they did 20:20:08 <Bjarni> and now we all know that hylje did the holocaust, because we just read it in this story 20:20:43 <Bjarni> the end 20:21:07 <hylje> :> 20:21:08 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:18 <Bjarni> you see, reading fiction can teach you a whole lot about history 20:24:37 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: 3wks 4days] 20:29:59 <Bjarni> great, now I have two vehicle_gui.c files open 20:30:17 <Bjarni> which one is the one in the working dir that I'm working in.... 20:32:00 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-9-148.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 20:35:36 *** Tron_ [jQSCW0Ed@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:36:08 *** zcram [~zcram@88-196-155-96-wifi.est.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: And off he went.] 20:38:52 <Bjarni> writing "the end" was not the same as we should end this channel. You guys are allowed to speak 20:40:27 <smeding> i'm asleep. sorry about that 20:40:36 <smeding> well, my brain is, obviously my fingers are moving to type 20:40:54 *** jez [pinout@88-96-28-22.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:47:12 <Eddi|zuHause> <Born_Acorn> I hate how trains which carry Mail in the heads but have passenger carriages load the mail, and leave with no passengers. Is that changeable? <- there is somewhere a setting "full load only waits for one cargo", you could switch that off... 20:53:25 <jez> yes 20:53:34 <jez> in the patch configuration i believe 20:55:29 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust480.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:00:06 *** Hagbard_2 [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:03 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:15 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:04 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [] 21:09:05 *** grimrc [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:09:11 *** TronBSD is now known as Tron 21:12:31 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:03 *** Sio [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust480.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:20 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-9-148.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:16 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 21:21:56 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 21:23:47 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:57 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [Quit: RichK67] 21:46:52 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N825P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:47:21 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DA27.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:50:09 <ln-> she sounds unbelievably self-confident considering the circumstances: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVqV1ygs1ow&NR 21:52:04 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 21:53:37 <Eddi|zuHause> grr... i thought i had that sound problem sorted :( 21:54:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-195-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:55:59 <AsterixMG> ok, diff updated, got a bit bigger due to me adding some more comments (hopefully i didn't break any indentations)... do the comments look better now, Rubidium? 21:56:03 <grimrc> so with palettes, it's basically impossible to add 2 sprites together to make a bigger one? 21:57:34 <AsterixMG> grimrc, huh? what are you trying to do (well, i don't know much about the sprite-system anyway ;) ) 21:57:59 <grimrc> add 2 sprites together to make a bigger one, to use as the cursor 21:58:08 <Rubidium> AsterixMG: /** */ is usually used for comments of functions and global variable as those comments get in the generated documentation. For inline comments you should use /* */ 21:58:31 <Rubidium> and please start sentences with a capital letter 21:59:49 <Rubidium> the /// comments in station.h are not right; /// denotes doxygen documentation, while you just commented out some enum values (might even be better to remove them and add them when needed) 22:00:05 <AsterixMG> Rubidium, hmm, according to the wiki coding-style there is only /** but not /*, regarless of what the comments are for 22:00:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:01:12 <Rubidium> try to align your comments (unless you have to add lots of spaces) 22:02:54 <Rubidium> AsterixMG: just after the 'typedef enum Birds' example the coding style talks about comments, and the whole section is about documenting functions/structs etc. 22:03:08 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:03:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:03:58 <AsterixMG> Rubidium, ah, i overlooked those lines and went straight down to code-documentation 22:04:44 * Darkvater looks strangely at Bjarni 22:04:50 <Rubidium> I do not blame you as it's not very easy/obvious to see 22:06:56 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5FFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:07 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-146-061.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:12 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-146-061.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:13 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 22:07:15 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:07:19 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:21 <Darkvater> Bjarni: how about removing the superflouous parameter you've added? 22:08:02 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:08:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 22:08:28 <grimrc> should other train engines be made to age? wagons?? 22:08:58 <ln-> Darkvater: what file and line are you talking about? 22:09:24 <Darkvater> http://svn.openttd.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/changeset/6428 22:09:36 <Darkvater> should not be that hard to figure out 22:09:41 *** mikk36[EST] [mikk36@pc231.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:10:13 * Darkvater mumbles something unintelligle 22:10:15 <Darkvater> ble 22:10:28 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@ppp85-141-201-116.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 22:10:31 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:10:55 * Darkvater is also blind 22:10:57 <Darkvater> heh 22:11:25 * Darkvater has been tricked by peter1138 22:11:52 *** Netsplit hydrogen.oftc.net <-> reticulum.oftc.net quits: Frostregen, WolfAngel, KritiK, mikk36_, Zaviori, GoneWacko, jakob, @Bjarni, Empero, luckz, (+6 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:11:58 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 22:12:08 *** Netsplit over, joins: Mucht|zZz 22:12:26 *** Netsplit over, joins: GoneWacko 22:13:01 *** Netsplit over, joins: Eddi|zuHause 22:13:01 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6433 /trunk/ (industry_cmd.c industry_map.h): -Codechange: replace some magic numbers (industry gfx indices) by enums. 22:13:22 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:13:37 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Killed (hydrogen.oftc.net (Nick collision (new)))] 22:13:37 *** Netsplit over, joins: Frostregen 22:13:37 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:13:37 *** Netsplit over, joins: +glx, Zaviori, WolfAngel, @Bjarni, mikk36_, Prof_Frink, jakob, hylje, Empero, luckz 22:13:50 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 22:13:54 <Eddi|zuHause> öh... what was that? 22:14:06 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by glx|away))] 22:14:09 *** glx|away is now known as glx 22:14:42 <AsterixMG> just a little net-split :) 22:15:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "little"... 22:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it threw me off the network :p 22:16:17 <ln-> Darkvater: elaborate. 22:16:24 <Eddi|zuHause> 00:09] <Eddi|zuHause> the DBSetXL talked about wagons aging, but i do not know what that means <- did that come through? 22:16:32 *** mikk36_ [mikk36@pc231.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:38 <ln-> negative 22:16:51 <Eddi|zuHause> well, now it did ;) 22:17:17 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:54 <AsterixMG> Eddi|zuHause, if i remember correctly it means that there are wagons that become outdated just like engines 22:18:37 <AsterixMG> there are speedlimits for wagons in dbsetxl and you get wagons with higher speedlimits later 22:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever that meant, it seems to be a feature that is not implemented ;) 22:19:06 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.4/2006072904]] 22:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause> very interesting... the lyrc site has lyrics for Star Wars Main Theme 22:20:52 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:11 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: how about removing the superflouous parameter you've added? <-- what is it this time? 22:22:42 * Bjarni wonders if there is a codec for cryptic Darkvater messages freely available on the net 22:23:36 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> very interesting... the lyrc site has lyrics for Star Wars Main Theme <-- URL? 22:24:02 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... don't know... the lyrc script of amarok found it... 22:25:14 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:14 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:15 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause> http://lyrc.com.ar/en/tema1en.php?hash=32b64cc697ade413d54c70ee6f208a4f 22:25:34 <Bjarni> :/ 22:25:38 <Bjarni> then I want the URL of amarok ;) 22:25:40 * Bjarni never manage to find good lyric sites 22:25:44 <Bjarni> never searched hard for them either though 22:25:57 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by glx|away))] 22:25:59 *** glx|away is now known as glx 22:26:04 <Bjarni> that's an awesome song 22:26:10 <Bjarni> I really like the contents 22:26:15 <Bjarni> it's such a touching story 22:28:08 <grimrc> where does the 'wagon speed limits' patch store its speed limit settings? in a wagon's max_speed? 22:29:04 <Bjarni> wagons are actually locomotive with 0 HP. This means they got a max speed as well (usually 0) 22:29:33 <Bjarni> if you enable speed limits, then use a set with wagons, that got their max speed set to something else than 0 ;) 22:29:46 <grimrc> really? what about cur_speed? 22:30:15 <grimrc> cur_speed != 0 for wagons will (sometimes) trigger a bug in the rail depot window 22:30:29 <Bjarni> look in vehicle.h. They got the same vars as the engines 22:30:33 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B36AE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:40 <Bjarni> they don't use half of it, but they got it 22:30:53 <Bjarni> they even got a pointer to orders (always NULL) 22:31:33 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:31:38 <grimrc> yeap; well the details are on flyspray anyway 22:31:57 <Eddi|zuHause> powered wagons are also fun ;) 22:32:17 <Bjarni> yeah 22:32:40 <Bjarni> except when they decides to move on and you failed to connect them to a locomotive or steering car 22:32:47 <Bjarni> oh, you meant in the game 22:32:47 <Eddi|zuHause> the DBSet has a lot of trains that have the engine as middle part, and steering wagons before and after it 22:33:24 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i have not much to do with real railways ;) 22:33:42 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: do you happen to know a site like the lyric one, but with nodes? 22:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 22:34:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean "notes", as in what musicians read? 22:34:23 * Sacro squeeks 22:34:35 <Bjarni> yeah 22:34:51 <Bjarni> for the piano or something like that 22:34:51 <Eddi|zuHause> not really... 22:34:56 <Sacro> sheet music? i tend to use midis and disect them 22:34:56 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe google can find some 22:34:57 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 22:35:15 <Eddi|zuHause> those things are usually copyright protected 22:35:23 <Bjarni> Sacro: tip: don't print mp3 files 22:35:36 <Bjarni> it will print the hex and it will not make any sense 22:35:51 <Bjarni> (not that it makes a huge difference in your case) 22:35:55 <Eddi|zuHause> midi files can be converted into readable notes 22:36:05 <Eddi|zuHause> by programs like capella 22:36:10 <Bjarni> nice 22:36:23 <Sacro> or even a hex editor, midi aint hard to read 22:37:14 <Bjarni> the thing about printing mp3.... that is what the paper taped on the wall next to the printer at uni says 22:37:36 <Bjarni> it appears that somebody have been trying to print the hex values of an mp3 file o_O 22:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> lol ;) 22:39:32 <jez> Bjarni: does openTTD support GPMI plugins? 22:39:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i have also heard, that there are LaTeX packages for writing music ;) 22:39:37 <Bjarni> no 22:39:45 *** Ammler [~Ammler@108-243.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 22:39:48 <AsterixMG> hmm, if someone trys to print an mp3 he/she probably doesn't know what "hex" is either ;) 22:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause> even for compiling them into midi 22:40:10 <jez> Bjarni: why not 22:40:54 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: here is the bad part.... it's a technical university, so most people if not all can read hex and programming courses are mandatory 22:41:09 <Bjarni> jez: because 22:41:13 <AsterixMG> :P 22:41:44 <Eddi|zuHause> printing a 5MB file is probably a lot of pages ;) 22:41:48 <jez> wouldnt that allow plugin AIs though? that would be good 22:41:57 <ln-> now, now, you cannot expect that much of students. 22:42:31 *** Ammler [~Ammler@108-243.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:13 * AsterixMG is tired and goes to bed now 22:43:18 <AsterixMG> good night @all 22:43:32 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081A7F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:43:50 *** grimrc [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: cya] 22:44:08 <Bjarni> jez: the thing is... GPMI is not done and the people wondering about adding GPMI to OpenTTD have dropped that idea 22:44:35 <Bjarni> !log 22:44:46 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 22:44:46 <Bjarni> !logs 22:45:04 <jez> Bjarni: is there an easier way to add scriptable AIs? 22:45:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, take $next_best_script_interpreter and integrate it into openttd 22:46:24 <Eddi|zuHause> the good thing is, you don't need to be able to script AIs to build an interpreter 22:47:20 <jez> i dont know which is harder 22:47:42 <Bjarni> I'm not doing either of those two tasks, so I will never know :P 22:48:30 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing is hard, if you have the right background 22:48:38 <jez> perpetual motion 22:48:48 <glx> jez: windows user ? 22:49:24 <jez> yep 22:49:31 <glx> get libgpmi-0.8.1 from http://sourceforge.net/projects/libgpmi and use http://libgpmi.org/~glx/openttd-0.4.5.gpmi-0.8.1.zip 22:49:43 <jez> yeah 22:49:49 <glx> so you can play with the old gpmi version 22:49:57 <jez> shame that'd have to be used alongside the main version, or you couldn't play multiplayer 22:50:24 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 22:50:41 <Bjarni> goodnight 22:50:51 <Belugas_Gone> night :) 22:52:17 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a66.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:12:08 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.145.18] has joined #openttd 23:12:16 <Sacro> arrrhhh, how to undo in vim 23:19:07 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 23:19:29 <jez> lol 23:20:50 <jez> may i suggest http://www.kcomputing.com/kcvi.pdf 23:25:48 <Sacro> ? 23:26:04 <jez> see it? 23:26:20 <Sacro> sorry, im just cursing 23:26:48 <jez> hum 23:26:58 <jez> by the way, are you interested in coopetetive play? 23:31:39 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:39:36 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 23:43:44 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 23:45:25 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:46:40 *** ptk^^ [qazwsx@p114.ip5.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 23:47:07 <ptk^^> hey 23:47:36 <ptk^^> there is now open server with new united states map, you will need latest nightly build to play on it 23:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> you might have more success to notify the target audience by posting that on the forum 23:49:02 * Sacro goes to bed... nn all 23:49:06 <jez> Sacro: you there? 23:49:12 <Sacro> jez: almost 23:49:12 <Eddi|zuHause> (or is that notifying? i never know how extravagant english grammer can be at times ;)) 23:49:21 <jez> Sacro: are you interested in coopetive play? 23:49:23 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: by notifying 23:49:33 <Sacro> or "if you notify" 23:49:45 <Sacro> jez: maybe, but not tonight 23:49:46 <Eddi|zuHause> no, "by" sounds not like what i meant 23:49:53 <jez> Sacro: you're listed on the ladder 23:50:00 <Sacro> buh? 23:50:14 * Sacro needs sleep 23:50:38 * glx gives sleep to Sacro 23:50:43 <Sacro> glx: thanks 23:50:48 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-195-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:48 <jez> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Coopetition 23:50:52 <jez> hum 23:50:53 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 23:52:39 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-132-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:58:22 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-146-061.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:50 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen