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00:00:36 <grimrc> just like English 00:00:45 <Sacro> wa? 00:00:58 <grimrc> resistance/resistor 00:01:00 <Sacro> Widerstand isnt english 00:01:07 <grimrc> really??? 00:01:07 <Sacro> resistance != resistor 00:01:31 <grimrc> a redundant resistor is 'futile resistance' 00:01:52 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:02:16 <Sacro> true 00:02:21 <Sacro> as a redundant users 00:02:23 <grimrc> 'widerstand ist spannung durch stromstarke' = resistance is [something/spanning?] through [something]? 00:02:25 <Sacro> *are 00:03:56 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... R=U/I 00:04:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know the english names 00:04:18 <Sacro> i can never remember ohms law :( 00:04:23 <Sacro> R=V/I 00:04:29 <Sacro> V = voltage 00:04:40 <Gonozal_VIII> current? 00:04:50 <grimrc> Ohm's Law 00:05:01 <Sacro> grimrc: stop correcting me :p 00:05:10 <grimrc> well, you know it's a bloke then 00:05:19 <Sacro> :o sexist 00:05:31 <grimrc> yes, the sexiest 00:05:39 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc7.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:57 <grimrc> sexiest physicist 1801 00:06:08 <grimrc> (I don't know the actual date) 00:06:10 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 00:06:24 <Sacro> :s 00:06:42 <grimrc> heh 00:06:55 <grimrc> well *I'm* entertained and that's all that matters 00:21:35 *** jez [shiny@88-96-28-22.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [] 00:21:50 *** sayno [~sayno@ppp-168-253-11-117.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:25:10 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: LOGIC! 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11:14:19 <Sacro> errm... 11:14:24 <Sacro> errrrrr... 11:14:30 <Sacro> gold, goes to banks i think 11:15:04 <YogSothoth> directly? no factory? 11:16:49 <Sacro> dont think so 11:31:24 <mikk36> yes 11:32:01 <mikk36> just look at the bank req list 11:32:05 <mikk36> accept list* 11:38:06 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:44:59 *** PluueeR [~joran@pluueer.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 11:45:10 <PluueeR> lo 11:46:05 <PluueeR> I've seen loads of screenshots on tt-forums.net, mostly the railway networks are not verry realistics 11:46:07 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 11:46:21 <PluueeR> RoRo station for examples, 11:47:05 <PluueeR> I always try to make my network realistic, but it isn't very easy at some point 11:47:12 <PluueeR> What do you think? 11:47:47 <Noldo> it's a game, not a simulation 11:48:45 <PluueeR> hummz... 11:49:38 *** Pogopuschel [~gina@p54836E60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:49:38 *** pv2b [~pvz@c80-216-45-134.cm-upc.chello.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:41 <Pogopuschel> hi everyone! 11:49:43 <PluueeR> short but clear 11:49:45 *** pv2b [~pvz@c80-216-45-134.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #openttd 11:50:10 <Noldo> when ever you put a piece of track on the map it's already unrealistic 11:51:36 <PluueeR> humm. maybe I apply for a job at the Dutch Railways then ;) 11:52:16 <Noldo> :) 11:52:45 <Sacro> busy in here today 11:52:57 <PluueeR> yeah... you like it? 11:53:06 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:14 <Sacro> PluueeR: yea 11:53:16 <Sacro> *yeah 11:53:33 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176098054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:53:35 <Pogopuschel> erm.. i found out about openttd just yesterday and have been playing it since... might it be possible that the ai is still pretty bad? :| 11:54:37 <peter1139> as it hasn't changed, yes... 11:55:12 <Pogopuschel> the site says "an AI that is actually worthy of its name" :o 11:55:28 <peter1139> lies 11:55:37 <Pogopuschel> hehe 11:55:55 <peter1139> the only competitor worth playing against is other people on a network game 11:56:00 <PluueeR> oh, like it more to play against people or on my own, AI is no fun 11:56:47 <peter1139> yeah 11:56:55 <peter1139> i hate the way it destroys the landscape 11:56:55 <Pogopuschel> i wouldnt mind a good AI 11:57:06 <peter1139> possibly, but there isn't one 11:57:10 <Pogopuschel> hehe yeah i noticed 11:57:24 <peter1139> the improved ai being just rvs, and that's still not that good 11:57:37 <Pogopuschel> rvs? 11:58:11 <peter1139> road vehicles 11:58:14 <Pogopuschel> ah 11:58:16 <Pogopuschel> yes 11:58:27 <Pogopuschel> their routes are ok though 11:58:43 <mikk36> but not economy 11:59:00 <Pogopuschel> yep :/ 11:59:01 <mikk36> i managed to see 30 road vehicles waiting in line on 40 tiles long route :D 11:59:34 <PluueeR> I hope some day will have diagonal bridges and tunnes in the game, or bridges and tunnels with a bend in it, should be nice 11:59:45 <mikk36> there will be :) 12:00:09 <mikk36> although, u can do just fine without them 12:00:27 <Born_Acorn> peter1139, tell peter1138 to commit newsounds! 12:00:40 <Prof_Frink> newshounds? 12:00:44 <mikk36> atm the thing that bothers me most is that u can't build signals under bridges and diagonal stuff under bridges 12:00:48 <PluueeR> you can, but you kan make better, more realistic, faster crossings 12:01:36 <peter1139> ah, t' news 'ounds 12:01:37 <PluueeR> and you cant build signals on crossings (with road) and in tunnels, on bridges 12:03:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> the largest problem with "realistic" networks is the signalling 12:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> it neither supports flat, compact junctions nor 2 way stations 12:04:45 <mikk36> even funnier is the realistic acceleration where starting the momentum takes 1 full day :D 12:06:07 <PluueeR> with PBS you kan come a long way 12:06:11 <PluueeR> it's very nice 12:06:34 <PluueeR> I'm still thing of combining PBS with presignals for a nice terminus station 12:06:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but the PBS (in the miniin) are not good either, and they are even worse with 2 way stations 12:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> PBS are automatically presignalled 12:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> which is very useful for single track lines 12:08:19 <PluueeR> ah youkay, zo instead of presignals with exit signals for my terminus station. I can use PBS instead? 12:08:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 12:08:47 <PluueeR> I use 2 lines, 1 each way, 12:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> but PBS have problems with trains turning around, so that can cause trouble 12:10:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> (trouble meaning trains crash) 12:10:18 <mikk36> a little whoops :D 12:10:58 <PluueeR> But when you switch of 90 degrees for trains and ships, they can't turn around 12:11:38 <mikk36> u can also set that trains can turn around only on track ends 12:11:48 <mikk36> and i don't like creating non-roro stations 12:12:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> terminus stations are nice for not so busy tracks 12:12:22 <PluueeR> I will experiment tonight :) 12:12:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> and they take a lot less space 12:12:45 <PluueeR> okay but in reallife, and later on in the game with passenger services you have to 12:12:57 <PluueeR> the cities are really populated at this point 12:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> take a look at Leipzig main station ;) 12:14:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> (that's the largest terminus station in europe (or the world?)) 12:15:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> the story about it is quite funny, because they were originally 2 identical stations next to each other 12:15:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> one belonging to the prussian railway, and one to the bavarian railway 12:17:34 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Roger the Sloth is leaving the building. Roger the Sloth is still leaving the building. Yep, still leaving. Um.....] 12:20:01 <mikk36> to create a good terminus station u have to combine presignals and pbs 12:21:02 <Sacro> nah, just pbs 12:22:02 <Sacro> woo, dell launch AMD systems 12:22:06 <mikk36> old news 12:22:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> like i said, PBS are automatically presignals 12:22:14 <mikk36> heard about it a month ago already 12:22:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> and even better, they are "intelligent" presignals, only stoppin the train if the exact signal they try to go through is red 12:23:03 <Sacro> mikk36: no, they got launched TODAY 12:23:07 <Sacro> it was announced ages ago 12:23:23 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: #newsignals has major plans 12:23:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> i know the plans 12:23:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> tell me if you have an alpha version :) 12:23:53 <Sacro> do you? 12:24:04 <Sacro> errm... KUDr has got LUA working in MiniIN 12:24:10 <mikk36> also.. it was pretty nice to see how dell xps 1710 is taken apart :) 12:24:18 <mikk36> how quickly 12:25:55 <PluueeR> what kinda plans? 12:26:09 <Sacro> PluueeR: new signalling system 12:26:26 <Sacro> id like to also have proper depots, goods yards, detachable consists 12:26:36 <Sacro> turntables to 12:26:37 <PluueeR> with presignals, the train won't stop in the signal section, how is that when you use PBS? 12:26:39 <Sacro> *too 12:26:50 <Sacro> PluueeR: new signals will default to red 12:26:51 <hylje> yarr. 12:26:56 <Sacro> yeek, a pirate 12:27:11 <PluueeR> I've seen a turntable irl, there not used in the netherlands i gues 12:27:11 <Sacro> so i train wont enter a block until its cleared 12:27:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> i've seen lots of turntables 12:27:47 <hylje> python and lua newsignals ftw 12:28:00 <Sacro> hylje: yes, i dunno if KUDr is planning on leaving LUA in though 12:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> they were commonly used with steam engines 12:28:15 <Sacro> im hoping if we keep saying KUDr and KUDr_wrk he might notice us :p 12:28:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> but all modern engines are designed to go in both directions 12:28:25 <hylje> Sacro: i dunno but python should be supported 12:28:33 <Sacro> hylje: ive never used python 12:28:43 <hylje> its easily embeddable and extendable by C 12:28:49 <hylje> so i dont see why not 12:28:50 <Sacro> but id like to implement the whooooole set of UK signalling systems 12:29:05 <Sacro> and then others can implement those from other countries 12:29:16 <Sacro> german and swedish both look quite interesting 12:29:21 <hylje> thats the coolness of scripting 12:29:31 <hylje> as long as theres a script directory feature 12:29:40 <hylje> you can just have predefined scripts do the hard work 12:30:00 <Sacro> is it a lot slower though? 12:30:17 <Sacro> wouldnt it cause desyncs? 12:30:21 <hylje> not a lot 12:30:34 <Sacro> ah fsck 12:30:40 <Sacro> dell site doesnt suppored t'internet 12:30:40 <hylje> and its supposed to be modifiable on the fly 12:30:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> i guess it is easy to put the scripts in a pool and send them over the net 12:31:12 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause2: it might not be as easy to sync the things 12:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> especially if that newgrf saveload would be finished ;) 12:31:26 <Sacro> thats the main problem 12:31:31 <Sacro> is using them online 12:31:40 <hylje> shouldnt be too hard either 12:31:55 <hylje> block the script running if someone is lagging behind 12:31:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> hylje: why? once the scripts are sent, on all clients the same things are executed 12:32:19 <hylje> yes its what is supposed to happen 12:32:28 <hylje> but sloow machines which cant keep up.. well.. 12:32:31 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5745.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you are really brave, you could make a command to change a script on the fly 12:32:55 <hylje> (.. we can stop supporting them) 12:33:07 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause2: its essential to make the scripts usable 12:33:17 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause2: if your script has a bug, have fun fixing it 12:33:24 <Sacro> arrgh, i got a Win 95 pc to "fix" 12:33:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> slow machines are easily thrown off the network game anyway 12:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> install SuSE ;) 12:34:00 <hylje> so yea. 12:34:01 <Sacro> could code it in java 12:34:22 <hylje> java. hah. 12:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf? i got 45 new mails over night... 12:36:12 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 12:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... no... they're old mails that got downloaded again... 12:37:51 <PluueeR> what are goods yards, detachable consists 12:38:30 <Pogopuschel> can anyone tell me why the "first train arrives.." news are always so.. late? 12:38:44 <hylje> PluueeR: station tiles which store en-route and waiting stuff 12:38:55 <hylje> PluueeR: consists.. i dont know 12:39:17 <Sacro> PluueeR: means you can seperate the engine from the wagons 12:39:26 <Sacro> and if needed, seperate wagons from other wagons 12:39:28 <PluueeR> Ah okay 12:39:52 <hylje> sounds cool 12:40:04 <PluueeR> so the locomotive doens't have to wait before wagons are loaded 12:40:05 <hylje> would make some wicked designs :> 12:40:37 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:37 <Sacro> PluueeR: yes, it'd mean shunters would have uses 12:40:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> PluueeR: the main use would be feeder services, where you just redistribute the wagons, not unload them 12:40:59 <Sacro> and they'd wait for a mainline trian to collect the full load, and come back with an empty load 12:41:22 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: yes, in reality, they dont unload one train and reload another, they'd just swap the wagons 12:41:38 <hylje> but at gameplay perspective 12:41:46 <hylje> it would be a pain to do wagon swapping in a roro 12:41:56 <Sacro> would it? 12:42:28 <Brianetta> The loco could ro-ro while the wagons go out the way they came in 12:42:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> you'd need to adapt the station construction, of course :p 12:43:00 <Sacro> Brianetta: yes 12:43:07 <hylje> yes 12:43:10 <hylje> realism 12:43:40 <peter1139> you want a train simulator, not a transport game ;p 12:43:49 <Brianetta> Of course we do 12:43:57 <Brianetta> peter1139: Have you incremented? 12:43:57 <Sacro> peter1139: yes! spot on! 12:43:58 <hylje> you mean this isnt a train simu already? 12:44:26 <Sacro> hylje: how many trains do you know that can stop in 10m for a red signal 12:44:44 <hylje> gameplay>realism 12:45:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> realism can make up very good gameplay 12:45:18 <Sacro> i disagree, i think gameplay < realism 12:45:33 <Brianetta> gameplay < realism 12:45:36 <PluueeR> or how many TGV like trains do you know that slowdown when climbing. 12:45:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> sometimes you have to cut realism short because your game engine just cannot handle it 12:45:56 <Brianetta> PluueeR: How mant TGVs do you know that ever have to climb a significant gradient? 12:46:09 <Sacro> PluueeR: use realistic acceleration 12:46:23 <PluueeR> maybe IU should :) 12:47:03 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:47:57 <hylje> i think that we can archieve playable realism with a real physics and 3d engine 12:48:06 <hylje> stuff up to scale, etc. 12:48:39 <Prof_Frink> hylje: a real physics engine, but with fudge factors for gameplay 12:48:46 <PluueeR> there is work on that right? 12:49:03 <Sacro> hmm, lets find a GPL physics engine 12:49:07 <PluueeR> hummz. lets rephrase that.... People are working on that right? 12:49:23 <Sacro> PluueeR: no, we just sit and moan 12:49:37 <Torm> evening all... whats up 12:49:49 <Sacro> Torm: ceiling 12:49:51 <peter1139> well 12:49:53 <peter1139> i'm hungry 12:49:56 <PluueeR> seen some graphics on forum, but is there a site with progress things and all? 12:49:59 <Torm> Sacro: /slap 12:50:14 <PluueeR> Sacro : happy moaning for you 12:50:17 <PluueeR> ;) 12:50:22 <Sacro> :D allo allo 12:50:27 <Sacro> good moaning 12:52:07 <Brianetta> I was pissing by your door... 12:52:46 <Sacro> hehe 12:52:50 <Sacro> i got Season 1 here, 12:57:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... is the election in sweden this weekend? 12:59:32 *** PluueeR [~joran@pluueer.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: checking mail] 13:07:09 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:07:32 <Belugas> good day 13:09:27 *** PluueeR [~joran@pluueer.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 13:09:31 <PluueeR> back again 13:12:21 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: adios!] 13:15:23 *** Guest56 [Gono@N874P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 13:18:31 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 13:21:06 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N912P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:43 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 13:26:11 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 13:26:27 *** PluueeR [~joran@pluueer.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: [BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.1-final for the Atari 2600 today!] 13:32:43 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 13:32:43 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-195-252.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:48 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-195-252.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:44:45 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:45:08 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:08 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 13:47:02 <WolfAngel> (CPU) 2-AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+, 9006MHz (7% Load) .:. (RAM) usage: 0/2048MB (0.00%) .:. (GFX) RADEON X1600 Series Secondary, (Display) 1024x768/32bit/75Hz 13:47:03 <WolfAngel> (OS) Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), (installed for) 9w 6d 20m, (uptime) 1d 9h 19m 27s .:. (HDDs) 62.1GB/359GB(17.3%) free 13:47:07 <WolfAngel> wooopps 13:47:10 <WolfAngel> sry ^^ 13:48:10 <peter1139> YOU WILL BE 13:48:24 <WolfAngel> I'm really sorry ^^... 13:48:30 <WolfAngel> not on purpose... 13:49:40 <Brianetta> peter1139: Why did you increment? 13:51:14 <peter1139> ping timeout/autoconnect, i guess 13:51:15 <Prof_Frink> WolfAngel: Something's wrong there 13:51:25 * Prof_Frink hands peter1139 keepnick.pl 13:51:30 <WolfAngel> ... like? ^^... 13:51:47 <WolfAngel> the 9Ghz cpu? ^^ 13:51:52 <Prof_Frink> XP needs to use more than 0MB ram 13:52:00 <WolfAngel> ... no way? ^^^ 13:52:03 <WolfAngel> ^^* 13:52:16 * Prof_Frink steals WolfAngel's hats 13:52:27 <WolfAngel> ... darn 13:52:42 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-170-198.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:29 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 13:58:39 <Born_Acorn> peter1139! Tell peter1138 about the news hounds! 14:00:35 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:45 <Sacro> 9GHz CPU and 0 RAM usage? 14:11:27 *** e1ko [~e1ko@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 14:13:44 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:13:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:18:43 *** peter1139 is now known as peterNaN 14:19:41 <WolfAngel> yeah of course Sacro ^^ 14:31:26 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:34:49 *** Trenskow [~outlet@80.251.195.2] has joined #openttd 14:41:57 *** Trenskow [~outlet@80.251.195.2] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 14:55:38 *** grimrc [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:59:37 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-136-125.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 15:00:08 <Neonox> Tron: ping 15:02:38 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:06:49 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!] 15:08:32 <Sacro> Neonox: there is no Tron 15:08:57 <Neonox> Sacro: I know. 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(Preferably in Php) 17:02:10 <Sacro> spock_: not yet 17:02:29 <spock_> But there's being worked on? 17:02:40 <spock_> Any code yet available? 17:03:18 <Sacro> errm, Brianetta says you could tie one in with his autopilot 17:03:25 <Brianetta> If you had the patience 17:03:29 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:03:49 <Brianetta> Communication would probably best be semaphored through the MySQL module 17:04:06 <Brianetta> with autopilot pollin it periodically, and PHP used to command it 17:04:17 <Sacro> hmmm, sounds challenging 17:04:21 <Brianetta> Indeed, yes 17:04:35 <Brianetta> PHP scripts need to be (re)written anyway 17:04:39 <Sacro> there are some? 17:04:46 <Brianetta> The ones for the web chat log are not yet functional 17:05:20 <Sacro> well if the autopilot can dump to either xml or sql, then php can pick that up nicely 17:05:53 <hylje> php 17:05:55 <hylje> :E 17:05:58 <Wolf01> i installed DSLinux on the DS :O 17:06:06 <Sacro> DSTTD ::d 17:06:08 <hylje> damn small? 17:06:15 <Wolf01> 12MB 17:06:19 <grimrc> cool 17:06:27 <Wolf01> http://www.dslinux.org/wiki/DSLinux_FAQ#Does_DSLinux_harm_my_DS_in_any_way.3F 17:06:27 <grimrc> does it have good hardware drivers? 17:06:46 <Sacro> ooh, i just equalised air pressure in my right ear 17:06:49 <Brianetta> Sacro: It talks to MySQL already 17:07:01 <Sacro> Brianetta: does it? ill have to take a look 17:07:03 <Brianetta> It's all in the release 17:07:19 <Brianetta> The only thing missing is any application that reads the tables to act on it 17:07:30 <Brianetta> Basically, MySQL is the semi-official API 17:07:44 <Sacro> not sure if thats a good thing or not... 17:07:47 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:07:49 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:52 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 17:07:59 <Wolf01> now i'll try to surf internet with the retawq browser :O 17:08:20 <spock_> Brianetta, what is autopilot exactly? Is there documentation about it? 17:09:28 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=22846&highlight=autopilot 17:09:34 <Sacro> spock_: ^^ 17:10:37 <Brianetta> spock_: Yes, there is extensive documentation. 17:10:39 <peterNaN> mysql-- 17:10:53 <Brianetta> peterNaN: Feel free to add another module. 17:11:02 <Brianetta> You can control autopilot with IRC 17:11:05 <spock_> So basically, autopilot has direct access to the game console from the server itself? 17:11:07 <Brianetta> sandbox is an autopilot 17:11:09 <Brianetta> on this very net 17:11:11 *** peterNaN is now known as peter1138 17:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> <grimrc> (GNU) patch doesn't seem to have an interactive option, so I can just patch certain file/hunks ;oS <- on windows there is tortoise merge, maybe there is an equivalent for linux 17:14:00 <grimrc> thanks Eddi|zuHause; I'll look that up 17:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause> although that had not all needed features either 17:14:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it is part of tortoisesvn 17:14:49 <grimrc> ohhh 17:17:41 <Eddi|zuHause> just click on the directory and choose "apply patch" 17:17:57 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:22:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 17:30:32 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 17:30:55 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 17:32:57 <Wolf01> yeah, i'm on google with the DS :D 17:33:17 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@pc153.host5.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:36:47 *** eper [eperdeme@eper.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:22 <eper> when you leave a server rejoin then leave again shortly after, the passwords removed. That a bug or a "feature"? 17:39:52 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc7.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:19 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:42:11 <glx> eper: company passwords are not saved 17:43:29 <eper> but surly the server should store the password? ie, i join dedi1 set pass, leave the game (servers not shutdown) rejoin the password will remove itself after i join 'sometimes' 17:44:40 *** IronDuke [~ace@static243-188-19.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 17:44:58 <Sacro> password autoclean 17:45:08 <IronDuke> Hey... Can I use the new graphics from ttdpatch.net in openttd? 17:45:20 <Sacro> IronDuke: some yes 17:45:37 <IronDuke> Sacro: ok! are there other graphics that are better ? 17:45:41 <IronDuke> for openttd 17:46:06 <Sacro> no, openttd is aiming to support ttdpatch graphics, rather than creating its own standard 17:46:11 <IronDuke> ok 17:46:24 <IronDuke> I looked in the manual trying to install them, but it didn't work 17:47:16 <IronDuke> When I download them.. i get lots of grf-files.. and I unzip them to the folder data right? 17:47:28 <Sacro> yeah 17:48:03 <IronDuke> do I overwrite newgrfw.grf ? 17:48:14 <IronDuke> i meant cfg 17:48:18 <Sacro> errr...what grfs are you installing? 17:48:23 <glx> you don't need it 17:48:25 <Sacro> doesnt matter, you may as well delete 17:48:26 <Sacro> it 17:48:33 <IronDuke> really? 17:48:40 <IronDuke> ok 17:48:46 <glx> you need to configure grf in openttd.cfg 17:48:50 <IronDuke> ok 17:49:04 <IronDuke> so i just insert all the grf-files like this in openttd.cfg: 17:49:09 <IronDuke> [newgrf] 17:49:11 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:15 <IronDuke> dbsetw.grf 17:49:18 <glx> yes 17:49:22 <IronDuke> ok! 17:49:24 <Sacro> that should do it 17:49:34 <Sacro> oh, and ignore the red dot, it means nothing 17:49:44 <glx> you can pass params: dbsetw.grf=params 17:49:54 * Sacro has never used dbset 17:50:05 <IronDuke> so whats the point with newgrfw.cfg ? 17:50:16 <glx> it's for ttdpatch 17:51:15 <IronDuke> hmm. i cant find openttd.cfg 17:51:41 <IronDuke> oh.. now its there:) had to run the game first appearently 17:51:47 <glx> yes 17:52:40 <IronDuke> And i have to type all the grf-files in openttd.cfg? 17:52:44 <IronDuke> under [newgrf] 17:52:50 *** spock_ [~pascal@5352F886.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:52:59 <glx> all the newgrf you want to use 17:53:03 <IronDuke> ok 17:54:55 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 17:56:54 <IronDuke> how come the train stations look the same? 17:56:59 <IronDuke> it should work now :/ 17:57:23 <glx> which openttd version? 17:57:29 <Sacro> what grfs and which opnettd version? 17:58:20 <IronDuke> i want stations like u see in the latest screenshot on openttd.org :) 17:58:39 <glx> you didn't reply :) 17:58:44 <IronDuke> sorry 17:58:56 <IronDuke> openttd 048 17:59:10 <IronDuke> and the grfs in the zipfile on openttd.net 17:59:16 <IronDuke> no 17:59:17 <glx> ok newstations only work in nightlies 17:59:18 <IronDuke> ttdpatch 17:59:42 <IronDuke> Do i have to install the ttdpatch? 17:59:42 <glx> http://nightly.openttd.org 17:59:56 <glx> you don't need ttdpatch 18:00:10 <IronDuke> ok 18:02:38 <IronDuke> but i have to put these files in the ttd95 folder ? 18:02:41 <IronDuke> not in openttd? 18:02:45 <IronDuke> i mean the grf-files 18:03:17 <glx> grf-files go in openttd/data 18:03:24 <IronDuke> ok 18:06:32 *** Maedhros_ [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 18:06:49 <IronDuke> the game crashes at startup when i have the newstatsw.grf file in openttd.cfg.. Works fine without it 18:08:43 <IronDuke> well now it works.. but the stations look just the same :/ 18:10:06 <Sacro> you have to build them in the new style 18:10:44 <IronDuke> I dont get any option to change style 18:12:31 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:12:45 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Maedhros_))] 18:12:48 *** Maedhros_ is now known as Maedhros 18:14:00 <Maedhros> IronDuke: newstations doesn't work in 0.4.8 - you need to download a nightly (nightly.openttd.org) 18:14:56 <IronDuke> ok! 18:15:03 <IronDuke> does it have lots of bugs? 18:15:48 <Maedhros> not at all, i very rarely find any 18:17:17 <IronDuke> Yes now it works fine :) Thanks :) 18:17:27 <Maedhros> np :) 18:17:51 <IronDuke> So what do you think of "Locomotion" ? 18:18:59 <Maedhros> never played it ;) 18:19:04 <Maedhros> see you later 18:19:10 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:19:54 <IronDuke> ok bye 18:21:14 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 18:21:48 *** IronDuke [~ace@static243-188-19.adsl.no] has quit [] 18:22:02 *** Tron_ [0dGSxTKf@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:36:59 *** tigri [~tigri@bigeek.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #openttd 18:37:06 <tigri> hey there 18:37:46 <Sacro> hey 18:38:02 <tigri> how can i get some servers ips? 18:38:28 <tigri> (playable ones) 18:38:42 <Sacro> servers.openttd.org 18:38:43 <Sacro> i think 18:39:05 <tigri> yeah but none works 18:39:07 <tigri> :( 18:39:20 <Sacro> strange, any errors? 18:39:26 <tigri> nope 18:39:35 <tigri> no games and no players 18:40:08 <Sacro> hmm 18:40:18 <Sacro> you got it set to "Internet" rather than "LAN"? 18:40:27 <tigri> yes :) 18:40:42 <AsterixMG> do you have a firewall? 18:41:11 <tigri> i do but i played 1-to-1 with someone 18:41:15 <tigri> it's permissive:D 18:41:41 <AsterixMG> sure that its permissive for TCP AND UDP? 18:42:04 <tigri> what's udp? 18:42:17 <AsterixMG> i think the server-info required upd, while playing only needed tpc 18:42:17 <Sacro> heh, guess not 18:42:25 <Sacro> AsterixMG: yup 18:42:55 <tigri> shall i turn it off? 18:44:37 <Sacro> could try 18:44:59 <tigri> ohh.. wait a little.. 18:45:17 <tigri> :) 18:45:21 <tigri> where is the game info it says version mismatch 18:45:33 <tigri> what version shall i have? 18:45:38 * Sacro slaps tigri :p 18:45:47 <Sacro> it'll say on the main menu 18:46:23 <tigri> no i mean what version i need for servers? i have 0.4.0.1 18:46:41 <Sacro> 0.4.0.1 server then 18:47:05 <AsterixMG> 0.4.0.1? are there any such old servers left? :) 18:47:17 <tigri> think not:D:) 18:47:28 <AsterixMG> maybe you should try to download 0.4.8 18:47:45 <tigri> now i try it 18:48:00 <Sacro> nope 18:48:04 <Sacro> oldest is 0.4.5 18:57:43 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-195-252.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:24 <tigri> hehe think it works thanks anyway for the help:D 18:58:32 <tigri> getting in a game:) 18:58:33 <tigri> bbye 18:58:35 <AsterixMG> np 18:58:38 <AsterixMG> cu 18:58:46 *** tigri [~tigri@bigeek.cluj.astral.ro] has quit [] 18:59:58 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 19:10:58 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 19:22:34 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 19:29:49 <grimrc> isn't there a security vulnerability in 0.4.0.1? 19:30:47 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-197-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 19:31:01 <glx> grimrc: in 0.4.5 too IIRC 19:31:19 <grimrc> blimey; shouldn't they be absolutely discouraged 19:31:50 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 19:32:23 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-213-166-57-193.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 19:32:43 <glx> grimrc: http://www.gentoo.org/security/en/glsa/glsa-200609-03.xml 19:33:27 <grimrc> oh I mistakenly thought it was a buffer-overflow; DOS isn't that important I suppose 19:33:56 <grimrc> "Release Date September 06, 2006" 19:34:42 <glx> check the references (old bug ;) ) 19:34:44 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:45 <grimrc> another one http://www.gentoo.org/security/en/glsa/glsa-200509-03.xml 19:35:20 <grimrc> is 0.4.0.1 before or after 0.4.0.1-r1 (my guess is after) 19:36:00 <grimrc> oh yeah - ancient DOS bug 19:38:38 *** grimrc is now known as grimrc[away] 19:42:34 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 19:43:35 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5745.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:48 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [] 19:45:22 <mikk36[EST]> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=7483597b5599ac79b51088ed52049131&threadid=1682913 19:45:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:49:39 *** Hagbard_ [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: I'm so great!] 19:57:17 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p50818C06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 19:57:17 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 19:58:06 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:01:11 *** YogSothoth [~john@lns-bzn-61-82-250-127-169.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:02:47 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:02:47 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:50 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 20:03:16 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 20:09:18 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:19:56 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-145-18.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Quit: AHHHHHHHHHHH!] 20:33:31 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588af9.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:33:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:33:56 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:34:10 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:53 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-213-166-57-193.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has left #openttd [Leaving] 20:41:06 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6449 /trunk/video/dedicated_v.c: 20:41:06 <CIA-2> -Fix (Win32): The dedicated server could overwrite the keyboard input buffer 20:41:06 <CIA-2> before it was handled by OpenTTD. Thanks to glx for noticing. 20:41:06 <CIA-2> -While here, also do really minor coding style, and proper variable names. 20:41:42 *** Ben_123 [~Ben_Robbi@82.152.99.220] has joined #openttd 20:45:14 <Darkvater> DaleStan: probably.. yes. Wouldn't it be better to remove it and forward people to the ttdpatch svn? 20:45:44 <Darkvater> DaleStan: (about grfcodec) 20:46:02 <glx> Darkvater: your fix is cleaner than mine :) 20:46:11 <DaleStan> Darkvater: That would be fine too. 20:46:32 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:46:43 <Darkvater> glx: well as long as we were using events, I thought it's better to stick with those than to do some weird mix 20:47:00 <Darkvater> DaleStan: now to convince sourceforge to make it work ;) 20:51:11 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 20:51:23 <Born_Acorn> Hey there Ben_Robbins_ 20:51:50 *** _WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 20:51:51 <Born_Acorn> (only ten minutes late with a hello!) 20:51:59 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:07 <Ben_123> hi 20:52:35 <Ben_123> how you no that it was me? 20:52:42 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-234-189.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 20:52:54 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-234-189.vodafone-net.de] has quit [] 20:52:59 <glx> Ben_123: [22:41:50] Ben_123 [~Ben_Robbi@82.152.99.220] has joined #openttd 20:53:06 <glx> then deduction :) 20:53:38 <Ben_123> ooo... 20:56:15 <Born_Acorn> I'm a wizard with magic identification powers. 20:56:21 <Born_Acorn> Ghostly woooooooooooo. 20:56:39 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-209-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:58:23 <lws1984> Sacro! 20:58:32 <Sacro> lws1984! 20:58:37 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:00:01 <Ben_123> i ventured this way, cause I'm curious as to the state of the 32bpp stuff...? 21:00:32 <Ben_123> 'stuff' demonstrating my understanding of it all 21:03:00 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D7D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:04 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:48 <Born_Acorn> egladil was working on it, I believe. 21:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe the developer developed a serious case of real life 21:07:34 <Ben_123> so its 'was' not 'is'? 21:08:25 <Born_Acorn> If graphics get finished before the code. 21:08:36 <Eddi|zuHause> well, he is theoretically still working on it, but progress is... stagnating 21:08:38 <Born_Acorn> Then there'll be real incentive for it to become finished. 21:09:31 <Ben_123> yeah, but then that works the same both ways. If the code was finished first then there'll be some real incentive for artists 21:12:20 <Ben_123> the reason crazy removed his stuff was becasue of that, and Sellu 21:14:42 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mik36 21:14:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i think there should be less branches, and more alpha features in the trunk 21:15:02 *** mik36 is now known as mikk36 21:15:21 <mikk36> x-fighters seems pretty nice :) 21:15:31 *** Guest56 [Gono@N924P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:15:39 <Eddi|zuHause> that way things like the 32bpp code would get way more attention 21:16:24 <Eddi|zuHause> all it needs is 8bpp backwards compatibility, and it is a perfect for an alpha version 21:17:25 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: well said, then Brianetta might re-open his nightly 21:17:28 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Dinner!] 21:17:45 <Brianetta> Damned right there should be less branches 21:18:37 <Bjarni> well, egladil manage to break his computer so he had to stop for a while. Now that he got a new one, it's like he forgot to resume work :s 21:18:39 <Bjarni> maybe we should debug him for memory leaks 21:19:08 <Brianetta> How does one get a changelog from an svn server? 21:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause> svn log? 21:19:37 <Prof_Frink> "Excuse me, Mr. svn server, may I have the changelog please?" 21:19:47 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: the polite way :P 21:20:00 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: just HOW many revisions back does that go 21:20:04 <Eddi|zuHause> better than the police way :) 21:20:07 <Sacro> 3600 and counting... 21:20:20 <Sacro> r1 | truelight | 2004-08-09 18:04:08 +0100 (Mon, 09 Aug 2004) | 1 line 21:20:20 <Sacro> Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 21:20:43 <Brianetta> ah nm, svn log wasn't showing my commit because I hadn't svn update'd 21:21:17 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 21:21:19 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N874P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:33 <Brianetta> glx: Check out r2 whenever you want 21:22:20 <ln-> hmmmmmmmmm, i've been told that there are quite politically incorrect wagons available for MS Train Simulator. 21:22:49 <Sacro> ln-: you mean like black tar wagons? 21:22:58 <Sacro> or LUL 21:23:21 <ln-> what's LUL? 21:23:25 <Brianetta> Tube 21:23:42 <Ben_123> branches?...don't really understand that. Does that mean that the 32bpp is to/was being developed completely independent of the trunk until complete? 21:23:48 <Sacro> London Underground Limited, but it means something amusing in ducth 21:23:50 <Sacro> *dutch 21:23:51 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 21:23:56 <Brianetta> Ben_123: That's normal for OpenTTD features 21:24:00 <Sacro> Ben_123: yes 21:24:09 <Brianetta> London Underground Limited? It's all TFL now 21:24:17 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:23 <ln-> and why is that politically incorrect? 21:24:37 <Sacro> ln-: it means "dick" in dutch 21:24:44 <Brianetta> a dick ina tube 21:24:47 <Brianetta> heh 21:24:52 <Ben_123> so is egladil in here? 21:24:57 <Sacro> yes, hence the LULset got changed into LUGset 21:25:04 <Sacro> Ben_123: he seems to be 21:25:04 <Eddi|zuHause> !seen egladil 21:25:05 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause, if you can't see egladil here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 21:25:11 <glx> Brianetta: done 21:25:15 <Sacro> he's there ------------------------------------> 21:25:18 <ln-> i was more like referring to livestock wagongs loaded with jews :/ 21:25:19 <Brianetta> glx: Only a two-line change 21:25:21 <Ben_123> i can see him, but i can't see him... 21:25:32 <Brianetta> egladil's right there 21:25:34 <Ben_123> seems little more than his name 21:25:35 * Brianetta points at egladil 21:25:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and if my nick list was that way? 21:25:42 <Eddi|zuHause> <------- 21:26:04 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: nick list? 21:26:15 <Sacro> ln-: hmm 21:26:37 <Ben_123> yeah...i can see his name. There isnt as many people here as that list seems to inply though 21:26:41 <Eddi|zuHause> that is a list of things i need and want to nick off someone, Prof_Frink 21:26:49 <Prof_Frink> aah, gotcha 21:26:59 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: then your using a strange client 21:27:07 <Sacro> or i am 21:27:24 <Ben_123> i probably am 21:27:25 <Eddi|zuHause> "you're" 21:27:33 *** arctic [~ola@214.211.216.81.static.ud.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:33 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: i dont care 21:27:40 <Prof_Frink> Although the nicklist is less than helpful for whether I am here or not, as my irssi lives on David's server, and I just connect to it 21:27:55 <Prof_Frink> You're both using strange clients 21:27:59 <arctic> Hello 21:28:03 <Sacro> <- xchat 21:28:14 <Sacro> hello Archwyrm 21:28:18 <Sacro> errm, hello arctic 21:28:32 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: exactly. 21:28:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: everyone who cares can do a /ctcp version 21:28:39 <arctic> I'm rather new to openttd, and I've just managed to get two trains to crash in to eachother, and I can't seem to find any documentation on how to get them of the track :( 21:28:44 <arctic> Any pointers anyone ? 21:28:46 <Brianetta> Try that on me, Eddi 21:28:54 <Prof_Frink> it's called a CLI-ent for a reason 21:29:03 <Prof_Frink> arctic: wait a bit 21:29:04 <Archwyrm> =o 21:29:06 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 21:29:07 <Ben_123> sooo...if egladil isnt really proceeding, would it not be posible for someone else to progress on from where he left off? 21:29:09 <Prof_Frink> they'll disappear 21:29:35 <arctic> prof: By themself ? 21:29:37 <Prof_Frink> aye 21:29:50 <Prof_Frink> Unless someone's messed with that 21:30:01 <Archwyrm> That is to simulate scraping the gore off the rails. 21:30:04 <arctic> Oh, I see,, Thanks :) 21:30:38 * Sacro used to spend aaaaaages waiting for wreckages to go 21:30:48 <Sacro> Brianetta used to screengrab >< 21:30:58 <Born_Acorn> *I 21:31:32 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: ? 21:32:36 <Born_Acorn> There's no I in team, boy! But there's a mster in teamster! 21:33:05 <Prof_Frink> Born_Acorn: but there is a 'me' 21:34:25 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 21:34:27 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-38.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 21:34:43 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:34:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:38:26 <Ben_123> i don't really understand this converstaion at all!...any anwsers to my question? 21:39:26 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 21:39:31 <Prof_Frink> Ben_123: what question? 21:39:50 *** arctic [~ola@214.211.216.81.static.ud.siw.siwnet.net] has left #openttd [] 21:40:01 <Ben_123> if egladil isnt proceeding at all, then how come someone else cant just take over from where he left off 21:40:32 <peter1138> who says they can't? 21:40:33 <glx> Brianetta: autopilot works better with the latest openttd commit :) 21:40:59 <glx> I get output I haven't before 21:41:32 <Ben_123> 'would it not be posible for someone to...' 21:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause> !openttd commit 21:41:33 <_42_> Commit by Darkvater :: r6449 /trunk/video/dedicated_v.c (2006-09-14 20:40:59 UTC) 21:41:35 <_42_> -Fix (Win32): The dedicated server could overwrite the keyboard input buffer 21:41:37 <_42_> before it was handled by OpenTTD. Thanks to glx for noticing. 21:41:39 <_42_> -While here, also do really minor coding style, and proper variable names. 21:41:42 <peter1138> Ben_123: yes, it would be 21:41:45 <peter1138> Ben_123: are you offering? 21:42:07 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D806.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:18 <Ben_123> Hell no, i can't do it 21:43:26 <Ben_123> I was just wondering if someone else could continue it...and evendently someone could 21:44:09 <Sacro> "OpenOffice 2 is a little bloaty but it can do stuff that Office can't and is just a lot more user friendly. It doesn't include a lot of hardcore functionality but for web surfing and email it's very easy to use," he said. 21:44:26 <Sacro> i think someone has screwed up quotes there 21:44:32 <Bjarni> well, I tried to get somebody else to take a look, but that person got hit by real life as well 21:44:45 <Sacro> Bjarni: want me to take a look, me and real life dont get along 21:44:48 <Ben_123> can't people and real life just get along? 21:44:50 <Born_Acorn> Somebody will eventually come along and continue it. 21:45:15 <Bjarni> Sacro: I know, but how much do you know about C and graphic engines? :) 21:45:37 <Sacro> Bjarni: errrm...i got free time 21:45:47 <Bjarni> no kidding 21:46:03 <Bjarni> but... 21:46:10 <Bjarni> you need skills as well 21:46:22 <Ben_123> I just think if something gets done, then the amount of graphics appearing will double 21:46:35 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: skills or m4d skillz? 21:47:14 <ln-> what are we talking about? 21:47:26 <Bjarni> to recode OpenTTD into using 32 bit graphics without making it slower (at least not much) will take skills 21:47:50 <Ben_123> wich skills? 21:48:00 <Bjarni> well 21:48:14 <Bjarni> the code will not care for your skills in bed 21:48:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but... if you code in bed? :op 21:49:10 <Bjarni> then you are a technophile 21:49:35 <Bjarni> not that the code will care at all 21:49:56 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: you say that, but I could actually code in bed 21:50:05 <Bjarni> odds are that all linux users got some code on their computers, that's coded in bed xD 21:50:33 <Bjarni> by nudists 21:50:37 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 21:50:55 <Ben_123> hmm...if someone went hardcore at 'this code' how long would it takeish (weeks/months etc)? 21:51:13 <Bjarni> I have no idea 21:51:34 <Bjarni> you see, I'm not a graphic engine coder, so I don't actually know what needs to be done :/ 21:51:59 <Ben_123> oh right, I didn't realise there where different types 21:52:09 <Sacro> hmm, im wondernig about changing the output to cairo 21:52:21 *** e1ko [~e1ko@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.4/2006072904]] 21:52:30 <Ben_123> so...are there any graphic coders that could take over? 21:52:43 <Eddi|zuHause> depending on skill, time, complexity, legacy code, other stuff... anything between 1 day and 10 years... 21:52:47 * Sacro has done a slight bit 21:53:05 <Bjarni> Ben_123: it's like school. Some people are good at drawing, some people are good at cutting paper to draw on and some people are good at math 21:53:41 <Ben_123> ooo..i like similize 21:53:45 <Sacro> i loved maths 21:53:46 <Bjarni> being good at math is not the same as being good at drawing even though one doesn't rule out the other one 21:53:56 <Sacro> mmmmm fractals 21:54:00 <Ben_123> arcitectural plans? 21:54:30 <Bjarni> <Sacro> i loved maths <-- and you dropped out of school??? 21:54:51 <Sacro> Bjarni: no, i got a B 21:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> well... if he fails even at his mother language... 21:55:27 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: you leave my mother tongue alone 21:55:34 <Bjarni> I fear that he speaks his mother's language... it's just not English, but that ... thing, they speak in Hull 21:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> like i would ever touch your mother's tongue 21:55:56 <Bjarni> Sacro: I'm pretty sure Eddi|zuHause don't plan on kissing your mom :P 21:56:04 <Ben_123> single vowle english 21:56:20 <Sacro> Bjarni: you leave my 'ull accent alone 21:56:30 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:37 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> if you only knew my Halle-accent ;) 21:57:00 <Bjarni> hmm 21:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause> (actually, i have extremely little accent) 21:57:17 <Bjarni> Halle-accent... is that like speaking like Halle Berry? :) 21:57:19 <Sacro> we should get some more foreigners to the TT meet next year 21:57:21 * Bjarni hides 21:57:40 <Sacro> i could bring some girls... 21:57:47 <Bjarni> yeah right? 21:58:02 <Sacro> tell you what, birmingham girls are fuglier 21:58:06 <Eddi|zuHause> well, honestly, i have no idea how Halle Berry speaks 21:58:30 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> well, honestly, i have no idea how Halle Berry speaks <-- same here. I just know the name 21:58:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i have seen her in films 21:58:53 <Eddi|zuHause> but they were always translated 21:59:03 <Bjarni> hehe 21:59:19 <Bjarni> it's called synchronised 21:59:28 <Bjarni> translated is subtitles 21:59:40 <peter1138> there's a tt meet? heh 21:59:54 <Bjarni> well 22:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well... technically, it is a synchronized translation 22:00:01 <Bjarni> it appears that Sacro wants to make one 22:00:14 <peter1138> dubbed, heh 22:00:26 <Ben_123> soooo are these graphics coders a rare bread? 22:00:27 <peter1138> but that's usually with dodgy anime 22:01:22 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: I only watched one German dubbed movie. It was Star Trek TNG and I turned it off when I was done laughing at how bad it sounds compared to the real character voices :D 22:01:24 <Eddi|zuHause> well, probably the english synchronisation of animes are bad, because you do not have such a large synchronisation industry 22:01:26 <Sacro> peter1138: dont you read the off topic forum 22:04:36 *** Netsplit kinetic.oftc.net <-> hydrogen.oftc.net quits: @Darkvater, eQualizer, Triffid_Hunter, Frostregen, BJH2, Jezral, Prof_Frink, peter1138, TheMask96, Born_Acorn, (+55 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:05:18 *** Netsplit over, joins: lws1984, DaleStan_, Gonozal_VIII, Progman, Sacro, Ben_123, Jezral, @Bjarni, Brianetta, GoneWacko (+31 more) 22:05:19 *** Netsplit over, joins: eQualizer, Empero, Prof_Frink, KUDr_wrk, guru3, Born_Acorn, A1win, anboni, egladil, Naksu (+14 more) 22:05:19 <Bjarni> and Diablo-D3 is in it xD 22:05:38 <Sacro> SpComb: was too, hence we lost logs 22:05:39 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 22:05:39 <Sacro> !logs 22:05:58 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Diablo-D3 is in an xD card? 22:06:12 <Bjarni> sure 22:06:20 <Bjarni> hmm 22:06:23 <Bjarni> then again 22:06:42 <Bjarni> he speaks a lot, but knows less 22:06:50 <SpComb> Bjarni: working on it 22:07:03 <Bjarni> working on what? 22:07:04 <SpComb> although it's on hold, exams start next monday 22:07:07 <SpComb> netsplit stuff 22:07:23 * SpComb has been pondering a way to oversmart netsplits 22:07:45 <Bjarni> ahh, but I was taking about #offtopic, not the netsplit 22:08:02 <SpComb> *outsmart 22:08:03 <Bjarni> hence the message was a bit cryptic :) 22:08:25 <Sacro> SpComb: more bots 22:08:36 <Bjarni> yeah 22:08:36 <glx> once on each server :) 22:08:37 <SpComb> Sacro: well, redundant bots 22:08:39 <Bjarni> a bot on each server 22:08:48 <Sacro> SpComb: yes, redundancy is the only way 22:08:48 <SpComb> not quite, but a couple three of four wouldn't hurt 22:09:03 *** _WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: '$quit.msg' (without quotes).] 22:09:07 <Bjarni> btw what is causing the netsplits? 22:09:12 <Bjarni> server restarts? 22:09:18 <SpComb> I just need to figure out exactly how to make them synchronize the logs with eachother in real-time 22:09:18 <Bjarni> crashes? 22:09:20 <Sacro> Bjarni: some guy with a scewdriver 22:09:33 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: a server being disconnected from the network 22:10:11 <Bjarni> IRC needs soft handover of clients, so a closing server would transfer all clients to other servers 22:10:23 <SpComb> hmm 22:10:54 *** SpComb^ [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 22:10:59 <XeryusTC> * Mucht|zZz (~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at) Quit (hydrogen.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net) <- from kinetic to hydrogen IIRC 22:11:01 <SpComb^> my server died... 22:11:13 <Bjarni> no, it's not a soft handover. It's a hard handover, because the connection is dropped and then opened to a new server 22:11:14 <XeryusTC> we can't, a client can only be connected to one server 22:11:21 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 22:11:45 <XeryusTC> being connected to 2 different servers at the same time means that you would have to use 2 nicknames 22:12:34 <Bjarni> <Bjarni> IRC needs soft handover of clients <-- I think this implies that it's something that's not present right now ;) 22:12:57 <XeryusTC> it is not possible with the current situation ;) 22:12:58 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:04 <Bjarni> but the question is: what causes the netsplits? If it's server crashes and so on, then soft handover is impossible. If it is planned, then it's possible to add this feature 22:14:17 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:45 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:14:46 <SpComb^> or you can pay lilo to global everyone about it 22:14:52 *** You're now known as SpComb 22:14:55 <XeryusTC> lol 22:15:26 <Bjarni> somebody should have paid lilo to broadcasted startkeylogger 22:15:42 <Bjarni> I got the feeling that he is a man, who will do everything for money 22:15:45 <Sacro> Bjarni: when freenode got haxxored someone did 22:15:51 <Bjarni> lol 22:16:02 <Sacro> a LOT of people left 22:17:23 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 22:17:57 <XeryusTC> lets make a hidden feature in ottd that wil hax lilonet :+ 22:18:04 <mikk36> lol 22:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... the main problem of netsplits is that the server connections are not redundant 22:19:33 <Eddi|zuHause> if a server disappears, there is not much to do about, but the problem is that, in a tree, a server is a link between more servers, who then have no connection to each other anymore 22:19:49 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:51 <Eddi|zuHause> that is, what a netsplit is 22:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause> if you made this redundant (like a ring of servers, or more complicated) you'd need to introduce routing protocols 22:21:06 <Sacro> heh, token ring irc 22:21:26 <Eddi|zuHause> and discard messages if you get them twice, through different routes 22:21:56 <Eddi|zuHause> a ring does not necessarily need a token ;) 22:22:20 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: it does if its token ring 22:22:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the token only denotes the server that is allowed to send data 22:22:32 <XeryusTC> Eddi|zuHause: you are trying to say that servers have a server<->server<->server connection and a client is connected to all servers at the same time? 22:22:33 <Sacro> however if you loose the connection the ring falls out >< 22:23:02 <Eddi|zuHause> XeryusTC: no 22:23:12 * Brianetta legs it with the token 22:23:25 <Eddi|zuHause> a client should only be connected to one server 22:23:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but the underlying system of connecting servers should be made more redundant 22:23:55 <Eddi|zuHause> that would be completely transparent to the client 22:24:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but the risk of netsplits is greatly reduced 22:24:26 <Sacro> Brianetta: thats not nice 22:26:08 <XeryusTC> lets just avoid netsplits by using 1 server :D 22:26:18 *** Nigel [~Nigel@222.152.32.210] has joined #openttd 22:26:18 <Sacro> and then if that server goes down? 22:27:01 <Brianetta> At least it didn't split. 22:27:31 <Sacro> well... true 22:27:56 <Eddi|zuHause> let's avoid netsplits by shutting down the internet :p 22:28:03 <XeryusTC> yeah, it's the ultimate solution :) 22:28:22 <Eddi|zuHause> the computer is the solution to a problem that would never have existed without it 22:28:26 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: nooooooo, where would i go 22:28:52 <XeryusTC> yeah, lets just shut down all power stations to avoid netsplits :D 22:29:02 <XeryusTC> no power = no computer = no internets 22:29:51 <Eddi|zuHause> let's see what the world looks like in 20 years 22:30:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it might come that way ;) 22:30:46 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone remembers 'Dark Angel'? 22:31:03 <Brianetta> autopilot will be ported to slide rule 22:31:17 <Sacro> ooh, can we have it on slide whistle too 22:36:02 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: no, but it will run on Swanny Kazoo! 22:36:12 <Prof_Frink> And with that, I leave you. 22:41:18 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 22:41:25 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 22:43:33 *** Sacro_ [~ben@213.249.248.213] has joined #openttd 22:44:59 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-209-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:42 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 22:46:42 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 22:47:37 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:58 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D7D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:18 * Sacro spys a job as a "Nordic technical advisor" 22:50:24 <Sacro> selling pc's to vikings ill bet 22:50:51 <Nigel> hah 22:51:52 *** Nigel [~Nigel@222.152.32.210] has quit [Quit: if ($this == true) then true == false;] 22:52:04 <Eddi|zuHause> plural is not written with ' 22:53:37 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: LEAVE MY ENGLISH ALONE >< 22:54:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: i see absolutely no reason to do so :p 22:54:14 <Sacro> because its upsetting me 22:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly what i said ;) 22:57:17 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:11 <Gonozal_VIII> you shouldn't make fun of his english... 23:00:22 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 23:00:25 <Gonozal_VIII> sein deutsch ist viel lustiger :-) 23:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause> ja, aber das kriege ich zu selten zu sehen ;) 23:01:25 <Eddi|zuHause> (wobei dein dialekt bestimmt auch abartig wäre :)) 23:01:40 <Sacro> ich can spreche deutsch 23:01:48 <Sacro> errm, not can... thats not german 23:01:50 <Gonozal_VIII> norddeutscher? 23:02:07 <Eddi|zuHause> naja, ostdeutscher... 23:02:19 <Eddi|zuHause> also an sich heißt das mitteldeutschland 23:02:43 <Gonozal_VIII> jedenfalls definitiv andere sprache als hier... 23:02:53 <Eddi|zuHause> eben ;) 23:03:06 <Bjarni> <Sacro> selling pc's to vikings ill bet <-- start by selling power first, so they can use it :P 23:03:22 <Sacro> Bjarni: ooh yes, dont want angry vikings 23:03:36 <Bjarni> don't worry 23:03:45 <Bjarni> Hull is too bad a place even for vikings 23:04:01 <Bjarni> you see, I will not go there 23:04:23 <Sacro> we got invaded >< 23:04:28 <Sacro> damn vikings 23:04:30 <Gonozal_VIII> but you're not angry 23:04:30 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but that was 1000 years ago 23:04:51 <Bjarni> yeah 23:04:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the place definitely changed since then ;) 23:05:04 <Bjarni> that's means I better do it as an anniversary thing 23:06:28 <Bjarni> http://bash.org/?71216 <-- Sacro: do you have a secret identity as julia? 23:06:39 <Sacro> Bjarni: only if you ask nicely ;) 23:06:49 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 23:06:51 <Eddi|zuHause> that's funny, in the 1960s, our city celebrated 1000 year anniversary, and this year, we are celebrating 1200 years ;) 23:07:28 <Gonozal_VIII> what next? 1500 years in 2010? 23:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause> they said they try to find an even older document by next year ;) 23:08:26 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 23:08:36 <Sacro> Hull maritime history is thought to have been a key factor in the transmission of syphilis: the earliest evidence of syphilis in medieval Europe is at at the site of an Augustinian Friary (destroyed 1539) in Hull. 23:09:01 <Bjarni> in 2009, they will celebrate the 2000th anniversary for slaying the Roman consular army, right? 23:09:24 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah. but that was nowhere near my city :) 23:09:34 <Bjarni> who cares? 23:09:43 <Bjarni> they can celebrate, so they will do it 23:09:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the inhabitants of Bielefeld probably ;) 23:10:09 <Bjarni> invite them 23:10:19 <Bjarni> or screw them 23:10:25 <Bjarni> ...., or both 23:10:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the football team "Arminia Bielefeld" got his name from Arminius (latin form of Hermann), who was the leader of the german "army" in teutoburg forest 23:11:48 <Gonozal_VIII> arminius = hermann? O_o 23:12:02 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, they are not sure of the exact location of teutoburg forest, so at least 3 cities claim to be the location of the battle :) 23:12:09 <Sacro> hmm, theres a road from hull to denmark 23:13:08 <Sacro> Bjarni: im driving to yours! :P 23:13:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: well, a lot of people throughout history made their names sound latin 23:13:26 <Gonozal_VIII> i think they would have some aquaplaning problems on that road 23:13:41 <Sacro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_E-road_E20_overview.png 23:14:14 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf? 23:14:35 <Sacro> ? 23:14:39 <Archwyrm> Eddi|zuHause: The Romans who wrote it down did not speak very good Germanic. ;) 23:14:52 <Sacro> ooh, can drive to Estonia too 23:15:29 <Gonozal_VIII> be sure to close the windows first 23:15:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Archwyrm: no, it was just "cool" to make things sound latin, like nowadays it is "cool" to make things sound english 23:15:43 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: i run linux 23:15:51 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 23:16:02 <Eddi|zuHause> that's how german words like "Handy" get created 23:16:04 <Archwyrm> heh 23:16:10 <Bjarni> <Sacro> hmm, theres a road from hull to denmark <-- I don't know that one... 23:16:30 <Sacro> Bjarni: E20, link posted above 23:16:34 <Archwyrm> Well, plus they had to use their own endings for the case system. 23:16:35 <Bjarni> ahh 23:16:40 <Bjarni> well, I DO know that one 23:16:41 <Eddi|zuHause> ("Handy" denoting what an english person would call "cell phone") 23:16:53 <Bjarni> just not that it's corrupted by Hull o_O 23:17:06 <Sacro> Bjarni: well you get the ferry into Hull, and then it continues across the UK as the M62 23:17:32 <Gonozal_VIII> same with the strg key 23:17:44 <Bjarni> looks like if I use that road and forget to turn away from it, I will end up in Dublin 23:18:05 <Sacro> Bjarni: you will go through 2 seas to get there though 23:18:07 <Bjarni> or St. Petersburg 23:18:13 <Bjarni> depending on direction 23:18:21 <Sacro> and im pretty sure thats 1 sea to the east 23:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause> the "Strg" key denotes "Steuerung" (Control)... that other "interpretation" is created by idiots 23:18:40 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: you will go through 2 seas to get there though <-- I'm used to ferries 23:18:41 <Sacro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beverley_2.jpg ooh, a pretty pic of our town centre 23:18:58 <Gonozal_VIII> steuerung? ok.. dann passts^^ dachte immer das wär string oder so 23:19:00 <Sacro> Bjarni: but im pretty sure when boarding it you'd notice something strange 23:19:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: genau, das ist das "andere" wort ;) 23:19:32 <Bjarni> I might notice something strange when everybody else starts to drive in the "wrong" side of the road 23:19:38 <Gonozal_VIII> hab das schon oft jemand sagen hörn 23:19:47 <Eddi|zuHause> ist aber totaler blödsinn 23:20:00 <Sacro> oi, keine deautsche bitte 23:20:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 23:20:07 * Bjarni slaps Sacro 23:20:19 * Sacro enjoys it 23:20:20 * Gonozal_VIII switches back to english 23:20:39 <Bjarni> just because you don't understand it, you want us to stop communicating... dream on 23:20:40 <Sacro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beverley_Station.jpg thats a pretty station i reckon 23:21:16 <Bjarni> yeah, nice one 23:21:31 <Gonozal_VIII> is that 25 speed sign for the trains? 23:21:33 <Bjarni> also the barrier. It looks reinforced, like people tend to drive into it 23:22:21 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: maybe I should take a picture of the max 15 km/h sign for trains and post it on the net 23:22:34 <Gonozal_VIII> it faces that direction but looks like a road sign 23:22:52 <Eddi|zuHause> eek... trains driving on left 23:22:53 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:59 * Eddi|zuHause gets scared 23:23:11 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: it's a sign, that tells the driver the number of sane people living in the town 23:23:18 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: yeah, 25 limit 23:23:22 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: all trains drive on left 23:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause> not in germany 23:23:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: they are pretty hefty barriers, you can lean on them and get picked up 23:23:37 <Bjarni> glx: no 23:23:55 <Bjarni> Sacro: you tried that? 23:24:01 <Sacro> Bjarni: of course 23:24:13 <Bjarni> that's illegal 23:24:21 <Gonozal_VIII> what else would he do there all day? 23:24:30 *** grimrc[away] is now known as GrimRC 23:24:32 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 23:24:39 <Bjarni> good point 23:24:39 <Sacro> Bjarni: is it? 23:24:49 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: i occasionally catch trains into Hull 23:25:00 <Eddi|zuHause> "hefty" sounds like a word that jar jar binks would use 23:25:17 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: whats wrong with hefty 23:25:25 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing 23:25:25 <Bjarni> every single barrier in Denmark got a sign saying "it's illegal to try to stop barrier movements". I presume it's the same for you 23:25:43 <Sacro> Bjarni: nope, never seen one 23:25:57 <Bjarni> you see, you are messing with railroad security, which can result in several years of jailtime 23:25:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't even know the exact meaning of it 23:26:01 <Sacro> i think its part of the highway code though, but that doesnt legally apply to peds 23:26:12 <Eddi|zuHause> or if it is close to the german "heftig" 23:26:13 <Sacro> http://www.wikimapia.org/#y=52511115&x=-1866367&z=16&l=0&m=a now thats a junction 23:26:33 <Gonozal_VIII> it's a smurf 23:27:02 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6450 /trunk/ (console_cmds.c settings.c settings.h): 23:27:02 <CIA-2> -Feature: Make the 'patch' console command available for offline use and for 23:27:02 <CIA-2> online use for player-based settings. 23:27:03 <Bjarni> Sacro: you are lucky 23:27:29 <Sacro> Bjarni: am i? 23:27:37 <Bjarni> you don't have a driver's license. If you did and should be driving there, you would make a wrong turn each time :P 23:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... that site has a broken script, says konqueror 23:27:55 <Sacro> i do have a drivers licence 23:28:00 <Sacro> and i think i can go on that junction 23:28:18 <Bjarni> <Sacro> i do have a drivers licence <-- what's the name of the guy you stole it from? :) 23:28:40 <Sacro> Bjarni: its got my name on it 23:28:41 <Sacro> and photo 23:28:46 <Bjarni> ahh 23:28:48 <Sacro> not my address... but that needs fixing 23:28:50 <Bjarni> photoshop 23:29:23 <Sacro> :O tis not 23:29:25 <Sacro> i paid for it 23:29:38 <Bjarni> for borrowed money? 23:29:55 <Gonozal_VIII> so someone else with photoshop made it for you? 23:29:56 <Bjarni> and it's not valid because you bought it off someone's back of a truck 23:30:04 <Sacro> Bjarni: i got it from the DVLA 23:30:14 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... honestly... i have seen worse junctions than that 23:30:18 <Bjarni> good to know 23:30:25 <Bjarni> now I will not go to England 23:30:28 <Sacro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Anelephantwacastle.jpg hehe 23:30:36 <Bjarni> too dangerous with the Sacros on the roads 23:30:44 <Sacro> what about the Born_Acorn's too 23:30:48 <Sacro> and the orudges 23:30:51 <Bjarni> yeah, those too 23:30:53 <Gonozal_VIII> us highway junctions are worse 23:31:01 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: you dont have roundabouts 23:31:13 <Bjarni> you? 23:31:26 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII is European :P 23:31:38 <Sacro> you as in the US 23:31:50 <Bjarni> hehe 23:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII is austrian 23:31:59 <Sacro> Bjarni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Magic_Roundabout_Schild_db.jpg bet that'd confuse you 23:32:27 <mikk36> omg 23:32:33 <mikk36> actually 23:32:37 <mikk36> it isn't that confusing :) 23:33:00 <mikk36> there are 5 roundabouts next to each other ? 23:33:02 <Sacro> mikk36: i can drive to estonia from here :P via denmark 23:33:08 <Bjarni> the most confusing part is that they drive the wrong way around in them 23:33:09 <Sacro> in a circle 23:33:20 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:20 <mikk36> clockwise ? 23:33:39 <Sacro> you can go anticlockwise around the middle actually 23:33:39 <Bjarni> yeah, they drive clockwise in the roundabouts 23:33:49 <Sacro> as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Swindon_Magic_Roundabout_eng.png explains 23:33:50 <mikk36> left-side traffic :P 23:34:12 <mikk36> sucks :P 23:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it is a 2-way roundabout 23:34:28 <Sacro> actually, that scares me, cos your going anticlockwise around a roundabout and thats just not allowed ><# 23:34:57 <Sacro> i can see myself joining that and never leaving 23:35:08 <mikk36> Eddi|zuHause, no it aint 23:35:16 <Sacro> mikk36: it is and it isnt 23:35:20 <mikk36> :P 23:35:25 <Bjarni> <Sacro> i can see myself joining that and never leaving <-- then do it 23:35:25 <Gonozal_VIII> the sign is not hard to understand but why is there a symbol at each exit and not just one in the middle? 23:35:30 <Bjarni> and we will celebrate 23:35:36 <mikk36> smaller roundabouts are 1way 23:35:50 <Sacro> Bjarni: ill set up home in the middle and never dare leave 23:35:50 <mikk36> but by combining them all it in a whole is 2-way 23:36:04 <Bjarni> Sacro: camping? 23:36:06 <mikk36> lol 23:36:10 <Eddi|zuHause> and what part of that contradicts my statement? 23:36:19 <Sacro> Bjarni: if you fancy it 23:36:35 <mikk36> Gonozal_VIII, each symbol represents one smaller roundabout 23:36:48 <mikk36> look at the second pic 23:36:49 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think so^^ 23:36:52 <mikk36> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Swindon_Magic_Roundabout_eng.png 23:37:10 <Gonozal_VIII> oh... 23:37:27 <Gonozal_VIII> that's just crazy 23:37:29 <mikk36> actually 23:37:31 <mikk36> Eddi|zuHause, 23:37:37 <mikk36> i'd still say it's 1way 23:37:38 <mikk36> :) 23:37:40 <mikk36> in the whole 23:37:43 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: yes... if you look at it for more than about 10 seconds you go mad 23:37:58 <mikk36> it's just 5 roundabouts connected by 5 very short roads 23:38:02 <Sacro> i'd end up in the middle going anti-clockwise 23:38:06 <Sacro> and get very confused 23:38:40 <Bjarni> and fined 23:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> then you should avoid continental roundabouts ;) 23:39:09 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: i could probably manage that 23:39:12 <Sacro> because its only 1 way 23:39:22 <Bjarni> since you will be so confused that you will start to go clockwise in the middle 23:39:33 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 23:39:37 <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me of one JAG episode 23:39:48 <Sacro> Bjarni: possibly 23:39:53 <Sacro> i might take my bike to Europe 23:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> where Harm goes to australia, and talks Brumby into letting him drive the car 23:40:34 <Eddi|zuHause> he drives like crazy, going the wrong direction in a roundabout and stuff 23:41:07 <Sacro> lol 23:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and in the end, he says "i got taught driving by my uncle on the bermudas"... and brumby goes "but don't they drive on the left there, too?" 23:41:32 *** Netsplit hydrogen.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: +tokai, mikk36, coronel, Mucht|zZz, JonA, +glx 23:41:37 <Sacro> i have spent a whole afternoon playing GTA, gone out and forgotten which side to drive on 23:41:58 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe ;) 23:42:13 <Triffid_Hunter> Sacro: driver's side is always closest to the center of the road ;) 23:42:31 <Eddi|zuHause> better than saying "10 points" each time you hit a car ;) 23:42:40 <Sacro> heh 23:42:49 *** Netsplit over, joins: mikk36, +tokai, +glx, coronel, JonA, Mucht|zZz 23:42:49 <Sacro> double points for a OAP 23:43:00 <Sacro> triple if they have a stick 23:43:09 <Eddi|zuHause> (like that guy in Resident Evil 2) 23:43:19 <Bjarni> <Sacro> i might take my bike to Europe <-- why? 23:43:28 <Sacro> Bjarni: cos i can 23:43:33 <Sacro> head east on the E20 23:43:58 <Gonozal_VIII> i like the e20 23:44:08 <Sacro> it goes near here 23:44:22 <Gonozal_VIII> never heavy traffic there 23:44:52 <Sacro> there is in Hull at rush hour, ive been stuck in it loads 23:44:59 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 23:45:06 <Sacro> just outside the red light district 23:45:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it has been a long time since i got stuck in a rush hour 23:45:26 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: me too 23:45:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i will not ask what you were doing in the red light district ;) 23:45:54 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not that crowded between hull and denmark 23:46:48 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: no, the north sea kinda stops it 23:47:02 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: errr... i was going to get my bike 23:47:25 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, that's what this is called nowadays ;) 23:48:07 <Gonozal_VIII> actually that magic roundabout could make an interesting openttd crossing 23:48:22 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: i was thinking of using it with trains 23:48:26 <Sacro> but it might kill PBS 23:48:28 <mikk36> hehe 23:48:33 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/Swindon_magic_roundabout.kmz <-- found it 23:48:34 <mikk36> i'm stuck in a traffic every morning 23:48:43 <mikk36> kmz ? 23:48:45 <Sacro> Bjarni: kmz? 23:48:48 <Gonozal_VIII> you play with pbs? 23:49:06 <mikk36> ahh, google earth 23:49:19 <mikk36> give us google maps link 23:49:27 <mikk36> on the web 23:49:31 <Bjarni> no 23:49:34 <Sacro> mikk36: i did 23:49:43 <Bjarni> because then I have to find it again 23:49:48 <Sacro> i think :S 23:49:55 <Bjarni> Sacro: no you didn't 23:50:19 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:50:29 <mikk36> ? 23:50:46 <mikk36> did what ? 23:50:49 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:02 <Gonozal_VIII> "it" 23:51:03 <Bjarni> Sacro: good news. You can't afford to go to Swindon, so you don't have to worry about driving in this multiple roundabout thing 23:51:10 <Sacro> Bjarni: phew 23:51:17 <Sacro> i'd hate to go near it and get sucked in 23:51:21 <Bjarni> <mikk36> give us google maps link 23:51:26 <Bjarni> <Sacro> mikk36: i did 23:51:27 <Bjarni> <Sacro> i think :S 23:51:33 <Bjarni> <mikk36> did what ? 23:51:35 <Sacro> kinda like "ooh swindon, lets go see that roundabout" 23:51:45 <Bjarni> yeah 23:51:46 <Bjarni> totally 23:51:52 <Sacro> sweet 23:52:03 <mikk36> Bjarni, please ? 23:52:08 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:09 <Bjarni> and I would never have build it 23:52:20 <Bjarni> *built 23:52:29 <Sacro> im gonna attempt one in openttd 23:52:29 <mikk36> but it's fun :D 23:52:29 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 23:52:32 <Bjarni> I can imagine rush hour 23:52:34 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 23:52:41 <Sacro> i dont quite know how or why 23:52:54 <Bjarni> nothing new there :P 23:52:57 <mikk36> a traffic there would propably look almost as bad as in italy :) 23:53:10 <Gonozal_VIII> should be more efficient than a normal roundabout... but only if everybody understands how it works 23:53:21 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: so its fine till an american arrives... 23:53:28 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 23:53:41 <Sacro> or a german - "this is cannot be efficient" 23:53:49 <Bjarni> it's fine until one of the non-locals arrives 23:54:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [] 23:54:37 <Gonozal_VIII> there are lots of huge arrows painted all over the ground... should be fine 23:54:44 <mikk36> i don't think i'd cause a jam there 23:55:08 <mikk36> but when an american arrives in his huuge SUV 23:55:39 <Bjarni> ahh, you mean your car is so small that everybody else can just pass it when you have to stop to take a look? 23:55:52 <mikk36> saw one some days ago driving around... without any warning tried to push bmw to the opposite side of the road 23:56:10 <Sacro> ouch 23:56:18 <mikk36> and when he realised that he just pulled sloooowly back and looked with a dumb face 23:56:27 <Gonozal_VIII> i saw one of those dodge pickups recently... the hood was about the height of my mercedes' roof 23:56:40 <mikk36> i imagine him thinking "what ? did i do smth wrong ?" 23:56:56 <Sacro> get that around here, SUV drivers are idiots 23:57:00 <Sacro> as are BMW drivers 23:57:10 <Bjarni> and Mercedes drivers 23:57:27 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 23:57:28 <Sacro> and women drivers 23:57:33 <Bjarni> and men drivers 23:57:44 <Sacro> and chavs 23:57:50 <Bjarni> now I think we covered most of the bad drivers 23:57:56 <Sacro> im pretty good 23:58:00 <Sacro> only got stopped for speeding once 23:58:31 <Bjarni> <Sacro> im pretty good <-- everybody in this channel would be good compared to "normal" in Hull :P 23:58:37 <Bjarni> I never got a single ticket 23:58:44 <Sacro> oh hull driving...thats fun 23:58:51 <Sacro> i got told off for overtaking 3 busses ina row on my test 23:58:58 <Gonozal_VIII> you forgot people with both/no gender 23:59:08 <Bjarni> no 23:59:15 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: is that still sexist? 23:59:17 <Bjarni> those are excellent drivers