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00:00:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> does that mean something like "railwaytrack"? 00:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> (eisenbahnschiene) 00:00:33 <Bjarni> it is 00:00:53 <Bjarni> it's directly translated as Eisen = jern 00:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> id would now be intresting why this word is different... 00:02:07 <Bjarni> oh btw the book about planned reduced speed due to track repairs in Denmark is called "Langsam Abfart" 00:02:11 <Bjarni> I didn't translate that 00:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> it should be a pretty old word 00:02:33 <Bjarni> they decided to take this one thing and name it in German 00:02:41 <Bjarni> and everything else is in Danish 00:04:02 <Bjarni> I would say that "jern" is the old word used in Scandinavia while Eisen is of Germanian origin, but that's just a guess 00:05:04 <Bjarni> I mean from before Scandinavia was listed as a place with Germanian languages ;) 00:05:28 *** Ben [~Ben_Robbi@82.152.204.219] has joined #openttd 00:07:39 <Bjarni> ohh... differences between German and Danish. I once had a lecture held by a German professor in Danish and he spoke of V and W (in math) and at one time he called W for V and when he should say the name of V, he stopped with "err" and we started laughing when somebody shouted "faw"(or however it's spelled) 00:07:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> also raises the question where the english word "Iron" (with the non spoken "r") comes from 00:08:23 <Bjarni> is r totally unspoken? 00:08:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is what i got taught 00:08:50 <Bjarni> I'm not so sure. It's not with a lot of pressure on it, but Iron and Ion aren't pronounced the same way 00:09:07 <Bjarni> at least I don't think so 00:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> i always wondered about that, to... but i never met a native english speaker using either of these words :) 00:10:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> what do you mean with "faw"? 00:11:05 <Bjarni> the name of V in German 00:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> oh... 00:11:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's more "fau" 00:11:30 <Bjarni> we call them V and double V (W) 00:12:05 <Bjarni> so V in Danish got the same name as W in German. It's pronounced more or less the same way and that is the reason for the mistake :) 00:14:40 *** Rens2EveOnline is now known as Rens2Sea 00:14:51 <Maedhros> i pronounce iron as I-yern, and ion as I-yon (although this may not make any sense if you don't have my accent ;) 00:15:09 <Maedhros> you don't pronounce the r anyway 00:16:30 <Ben> hi 00:16:46 <Ben> I'm hunting egladil's. Don't think they exsist 00:17:31 <Bjarni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beowulf.firstpage.jpeg <-- this is interesting. It's English that's 1000-1300 years old and it uses the Nordic character set like þ (thorn) and that soft D 00:17:38 <ln-> hmm, interesting, /r/ is indeed unspoken in iron. 00:18:19 <Bjarni> Ben: I trapped one once, but it got away 00:18:44 <Ben> what method did you use to catch it? 00:19:27 <Ben> i say iron as i-un 00:19:30 <Bjarni> England even request people from Scandinavia to translate their really old texts as it's closer to Norse languages than English 00:19:55 <Bjarni> <Ben> what method did you use to catch it? <-- I sat here in this channel and looked like a developer and it just walked in 00:20:11 <Bjarni> only worked once though :( 00:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> i am sure the lion-catching methods can be reformed to catch egladils instead ;) 00:20:26 <Ben> riight...um...how should I go about looking like a developer? 00:20:34 <Bjarni> yeah 00:20:49 <Bjarni> and the best way to look like a developer is to write a lot of useful patches 00:21:08 <Ben> right...um..hmm..crap 00:22:44 <Bjarni> so you just go ahead and write full 32 bit graphic support and you will look like a developer 00:22:48 <Bjarni> :P 00:23:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> chances are, that this would eliminate the need for an egladil ;) 00:23:39 <Bjarni> yeah 00:23:48 <Bjarni> and that would summon him 00:24:01 <Bjarni> he will show up the minute we stop waiting for him :P 00:24:13 <Ben> that would be sweet, but i remain slightly sceptical that I am compitent enough to do it 00:24:40 <Bjarni> how old are you? 00:24:44 <Ben> 22 00:25:00 <Bjarni> you are in an age where you learn quickly 00:25:15 <Bjarni> I know, I was 22... once 00:25:21 <Bjarni> for a whole year 00:25:28 <Ben> true.. but im learning other things 00:25:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> oh great were the times... 00:25:34 <Bjarni> then I grew tired of being 22 00:25:47 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:25:47 <Ben> then what did you do? 00:25:56 <Bjarni> I turned 23 00:25:58 <JohnUK89> Oh Noes... 00:26:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> now i am walking straight towards a quater century next week... 00:26:21 <Bjarni> hah, I'm older than you 00:26:21 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 00:26:21 <Sacro> !logs 00:26:24 * JohnUK89 is steaming towards his 18th next year 00:26:24 <Bjarni> oh wait... 00:26:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> and i haven't been learning anything for a while 00:26:42 <Bjarni> not true 00:26:52 <Bjarni> you learned to come here and waste your time :P 00:26:59 <Ben> im learning stuff, but not coding. I can't do anything that involves words really 00:27:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> oh, i wasted my time long before that ;) 00:27:18 <Bjarni> Ben: that would include IRC.... 00:27:34 <Ben> yeah...ive only used it for about 4 hours in total 00:27:49 <Bjarni> me too 00:28:01 <Bjarni> oh wait, in total, not the past 4 hours 00:28:02 <Bjarni> sorry 00:28:03 <Ben> really...wow, what a coinisidence they have been the exsact same 4 hours 00:28:48 <JohnUK89> Don't let Bjarni fool you, he's been on IRC for at least 100 years 00:29:07 <Bjarni> yeah 00:29:23 <Bjarni> I learned how to say LOL with smoke signals long before you were even born 00:29:26 <JohnUK89> He actually invented it... 00:29:28 * JohnUK89 nods 00:29:30 <Ben> IRC confuses me, casue i see people in 2 places at once, wich makes me question reality 00:29:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-82-93.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:30:02 <Sacro> what is reality 00:30:10 <Ben> Its this thing i checked out today 00:30:15 <Bjarni> exactly 00:30:18 <JohnUK89> For all we know it may not actually exist 00:30:19 <Sacro> from svn? 00:30:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> "svn co"? 00:30:33 <Sacro> i have closed the front door, how do i know any of you exist 00:30:39 *** Spoco- [Spoco@hoas-fe10dd00-131.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 00:30:48 <Bjarni> reality is there people die and fails to respawn 00:30:56 <Bjarni> so it's a crappy game 00:30:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> how do i know _I_ exist? 00:31:05 <Bjarni> I just do 00:31:05 <Ben> poke yourself in the eye 00:31:07 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: look in the mirror 00:31:29 <Bjarni> how will he know that it's a mirror and not an LCD monitor? 00:31:34 <JohnUK89> Ben, that could be a digital signal telling out virtual brain we have poked ourselves 00:31:51 <JohnUK89> our* 00:31:54 * Bjarni pokes Eddi|zuHause3 in the eye 00:31:59 <Ben> that wouldnt prove it wasnt reality 00:32:04 <Ben> it would just be a digital reality 00:32:09 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: did that hurt? 00:32:09 * Eddi|zuHause3 pretends that that hurt 00:32:11 <JohnUK89> Wouldn't prove it was, either 00:32:32 <Ben> ooo tooshay 00:32:35 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: ok, you felt virtual pain, which indicates that you are virtual 00:32:48 <Ben> relative to myself, im in reality 00:32:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> fine 00:32:50 <JohnUK89> Touchet* 00:33:06 <Sacro> JohnUK89: touche 00:33:14 <Bjarni> <Ben> ooo tooshay you have a shay too? 00:33:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> forgot the Ž 00:33:28 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: yes, i cant figure out how to merge them 00:33:31 * JohnUK89 doesn't care about french 00:33:44 <Bjarni> damn, I forgot the arrow 00:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> use a keymap with "dead keys" 00:33:47 <Sacro> JohnUK89: i dont think the french care about you 00:33:49 <Bjarni> <Ben> ooo tooshay <-- you have a shay too? 00:33:54 <Bjarni> I think it's time for bed 00:33:59 <JohnUK89> I don't care that they don't :P 00:34:00 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: in windows, its altgr+e 00:34:02 <Ben> whats a shay too? 00:34:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> then press Ž and afterwards e 00:34:16 <Sacro> really quickly? 00:34:21 <Sacro> like when you do æ 00:34:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> AltGr+e gives the euro sign 00:34:26 <Bjarni> Ben: too indicates that you aren't the only one having a shay 00:34:32 <Bjarni> I thought you knew English 00:34:33 <Sacro> EUR 00:34:43 <Ben> not really...as i said, i don't do words 00:35:03 *** Guest56 [Gono@N738P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> Bjarni: usually you write a "," before "too" 00:35:13 <Bjarni> none of us likes to use MS words, but that's not important right now 00:35:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> each time i had to use Word it was a real pain 00:35:45 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: I forgot "<---" in that like, so what is a "," more or less :P 00:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> (i grew up using WordPerfect) 00:36:43 <Bjarni> Ben: http://www.air-and-space.com/Calendar%20previews/199405%2013%20Sierra%20Shay%20No%202%20right%20front%202006%20calendar%20cover%20l.jpg <--- shay = geared steam locomotive 00:36:52 <Bjarni> I'm impressed that you got one 00:37:05 <Ben> how do links work? 00:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> click on them ;) 00:37:27 <Sacro> rofl... n00bs 00:37:47 <JohnUK89> What if said n00b had irssi? ;-) 00:37:48 <Ben> hmm...i needed to copy it from some pop up thing 00:37:56 <Ben> im a train 00:38:15 <JohnUK89> Ben, in mIRC just click ok and it launches your browser 00:38:48 <Ben> thats a cool train thing actually, it should be modelled 00:39:17 <Bjarni> http://www.tcsdcc.com/decoderpics/b3.html <-- is that model good enough? 00:39:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> model trains are fun 00:39:32 <Bjarni> the real life version is designed to battle 10% grades 00:39:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> all the world uses H0 models (1:87) 00:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> but the english use 00 models (1:76) 00:39:57 <Ben> it looks like something they would use in the calafornian gold rush time 00:40:11 <Bjarni> they might 00:40:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> but they couldn't get their own gauge out, so they use the 16,5mm H0 gauge 00:40:17 <Bjarni> it's an US invention 00:40:37 <Ben> get their gauge out? 00:40:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N954P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:57 <Bjarni> but it was actually designed for narrow gauge timber lines in their great forests in Rocky Mountains 00:40:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, the correct gauge for 1:76 would be wider 00:41:04 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: night] 00:41:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> but they couldn't get it standardized across the world 00:41:16 <Ben> i don't really understand 00:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> so for market compatibility, they made their larger models for the smaller gauge 00:41:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> but since english trains are generally smaller, nobody notices the difference 00:42:46 <Bjarni> http://www.polar.sunynassau.edu/~fanellis/marklin_shay.html <-- a H0 shay driving on Märklin tracks 00:42:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> !calc 1435/87 00:42:54 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause3: 16.4942528735; 00:43:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> !calc 1435/76 00:43:00 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause3: 18.8815789473; 00:43:22 <Bjarni> http://www.polar.sunynassau.edu/~fanellis/marklin_shay04.jpg <-- it's clear to see that the boiler is not placed in the middle on shay to make room for the pistons on one side 00:43:23 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 00:44:01 <Ben> unsimetrical doesnt look so cool really 00:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> note the german light signals ;) 00:44:54 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-87.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:08 <Bjarni> yeah, it's Märklin 00:45:56 <Bjarni> <Ben> unsimetrical doesnt look so cool really <-- shay is designed for 10% grades, which is more than any other locomotive of that time could handle on normal tracks 00:46:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> anything above 2% is a pain, really ;) 00:46:50 <Ben> thats no justification for its lack of simatry though really 00:47:02 <Bjarni> it is 00:47:11 <Ben> why? 00:47:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> gearing is a complicated structure 00:47:35 <JohnUK89> Because it was technically better than all the other trains :) 00:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> you get space issues, not to mention synchronisation issues 00:47:49 * Sacro is bored 00:47:50 <Bjarni> it needs to have the pistons on the side of the boiler since it needs gears between the wheels and the pistons 00:48:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> if you would double up the system 00:48:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> for symmetry 00:48:08 <Ben> so is the area to on the side of the main boiler part of the gearing? 00:48:09 <Bjarni> so there is only one place to place the pistons and then you have to move the boiler out of the way 00:48:31 <Ben> oh right i see, more room beneath 00:48:33 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause3> if you would double up the system <-- that would make a really small boiler :P 00:48:55 <Ben> they could stick the pistols equally on either side of the boiler still...that would be more simmetrical still 00:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> there is a fundamental difference between a piston and a pistol 00:49:37 <Bjarni> that would either make the boiler too small or the locomotive too wide 00:49:41 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: true 00:50:09 <Ben> too wide for what though? at slow speeds corners arnt a problem 00:50:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> all vehicles have a maximum widths 00:50:40 <Bjarni> remember they were designed as narrow gauge to be able to lay tracks through the woods fast. Then you can't make them 3,5 meters wide (or more) 00:50:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> -s 00:51:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> for tunnels, bridges, anyting next to the track 00:51:18 <Ben> hmm...well really I'm gunna shut up, cause they new a lot, and I no nothing. so there will be some good reason why its like that 00:51:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> not to speak of stability 00:51:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> you are lacking some "k"s 00:51:49 <Ben> eh? 00:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> "knew", "know" 00:52:31 <Ben> oh right, sorry..my spelling is apauling 00:52:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> appalling 00:53:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> (or with one p?) 00:53:14 <Bjarni> it's like the tender for the alleghenies. Looks ugly but maximise performance with the space allowed 00:53:16 <Ben> i have know idea, and i don't care that much really 00:53:17 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: 2 00:53:47 <Ben> the tender is the bit on the back right? 00:53:56 <Bjarni> in case of the tender, it allows a whole lot of water and coal without getting too heavy on any axle and not too long for the engine+tender to be on the already built turntables 00:53:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> english is a bad language 00:54:05 <Sacro> Ben: its "no idea" 00:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> they have so many letters that you do not speak 00:54:21 <Ben> Im not speaking english 00:54:31 <Bjarni> are you mute? 00:54:57 <Ben> um...don't think so 00:55:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> "AgentSmith sets mode +m" :) 00:56:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> Sacro: it is "it's" 00:56:50 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: so it's 00:56:55 <Sacro> :p 00:57:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> now that looks ugly... stand alone... 00:58:24 <Sacro> 2am, think its time for sleeping, night all 00:58:42 <Ben> bye 01:02:10 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:03:29 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:13 <Ben> Bjarni: What country you from then? 01:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ben: you should be capable of a right-click 01:07:44 <Ben> i am? 01:07:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't know if you are, but you should be ;) 01:08:08 <Ben> how should I? 01:08:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> grr... avidemux makes me nuts... 01:08:53 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 01:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> it screws up the synchronity of sound and video for no apparent reason... 01:16:23 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:19:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> great... a cancel button that does everything but cancel the operation 01:19:47 <Ben> computers are fun 01:21:50 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-87.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 01:23:25 <Bjarni> goodnight 01:23:28 <Bjarni> see you today 01:23:36 <Bjarni> it's too late to say tomorrow :( 01:23:48 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588af9.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:24:13 <Ben> denmark? 01:28:40 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22] 01:35:09 <Ben> bye...if anyones here... 01:35:26 *** Ben [~Ben_Robbi@82.152.204.219] has quit [] 01:35:30 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 02:07:04 *** MartinL [~MRenneke@dslb-082-083-070-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:07:05 <CIA-2> belugas * r6498 /branches/MiniIN/roadveh_cmd.c: [MiniIN]: -Fix: Silenced a MSVC compiler warning. 02:07:52 <MartinL> Hello 02:07:58 <MartinL> it's my first time here 02:08:07 <MartinL> is anybody outside there? 02:08:14 <MartinL> oh 02:08:16 <MartinL> no one 02:08:30 <MartinL> seem's to be the wrong time 02:09:02 <glx> welcome MartinL 02:10:33 <MartinL> hi glx 02:10:59 <MartinL> nixe to meet you 02:11:35 <MartinL> I have just readed many think about OTTD source code and the programming of that 02:11:56 <glx> and? 02:12:05 <Belugas_Gone> naaa. you're not alone in here MartinL :) 02:12:10 <MartinL> I'll see 02:12:12 <MartinL> oh 02:12:17 <Belugas_Gone> some nightbirds around 02:12:35 <MartinL> it's 4 am on my site and I thought I'm allone on this time 02:12:51 <glx> same time here :P 02:12:57 <MartinL> oh 02:13:14 <Serriaromeo> we are all figments of your imgination 02:13:47 <MartinL> wow 02:13:55 <MartinL> it's a hard dream 02:15:47 <MartinL> what did you do alltogether here? 02:16:17 <Belugas_Gone> a lot of stuff :) 02:16:30 <Belugas_Gone> reading some strange letters popping on the screen... 02:17:26 <MartinL> Please allow one additional question, because it's my first time in this kind of chat 02:18:04 <glx> just ask 02:18:15 <MartinL> on my right site I have a list of nick names. Are they actual all in this chat room? 02:18:28 <glx> yes 02:18:35 <glx> but a lot are sleeping :) 02:19:00 <Belugas_Gone> heheh and even when they do not sleep, you wont see many of them speaking :) 02:19:22 <MartinL> ok. Unterstood. There comp is never sleeping :-) 02:19:31 <MartinL> Ok. Sleeping is a good idea. 02:19:56 <Belugas_Gone> different part of the world is represented here. For me, the night is still young, for instance 02:20:50 <MartinL> very well. 02:21:22 <Belugas_Gone> and..welcome here, by the way :) 02:21:49 <MartinL> I'm professional developer and interessed in do some OTTD programming 02:22:07 <Belugas_Gone> another one :D 02:22:32 <MartinL> First of all I will scan through the source code to get some ideas of the thinks are working 02:22:40 <Belugas_Gone> the sources are available, using svn (but i think you know that) 02:22:51 <MartinL> yes 02:23:16 <glx> oh and don't try to understand all the code :) 02:23:58 <Belugas_Gone> not at once, that is ;) 02:24:11 <MartinL> I think I need an extra account to get access to svn 02:24:26 <glx> not needed to get the source 02:24:36 <MartinL> actual I have loaded a copy of code from svn 02:24:54 <glx> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk ? 02:26:59 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2DF36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:27:38 <glx> ok time to sleep 02:27:41 <glx> good night 02:28:26 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:29:22 <Belugas_Gone> bye glx 02:32:21 *** MartinLW [~MRenneke@dslb-082-083-070-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:32:37 <Belugas_Gone> ho... another MartinLW 02:32:44 <MartinLW> no 02:32:48 <MartinLW> sorry 02:32:53 <MartinLW> same as before 02:33:06 <MartinLW> I lost my window :-( 02:34:01 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2CC83.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:34:38 <Belugas_Gone> hehhee 'was joking :) 02:34:56 <Belugas_Gone> you develop in waht environnement ? 02:34:57 <MartinLW> I have downloaded tortoise cvn client 02:35:46 <MartinLW> when I try to import the ottd svc adress I have to enter some account data 02:36:41 <MartinLW> is that the normal behavior or did i made a mistake? 02:39:29 <CIA-2> belugas * r6499 /trunk/ (34 files): -Codechange: Finally, got "byte event" outside of the union WindowEvent, which is now a struct 02:39:41 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep. Must be up early tommorow. Sleep.] 02:39:49 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3F3E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:39:59 <Belugas_Gone> not supposed to, MartinLW 02:40:02 <Belugas_Gone> hello tron 02:40:42 <MartinLW> I develop in visual studio 02:41:54 <Belugas_Gone> when you svn co, as glx told you, you're only downloading the sources. nothingmore. 02:42:13 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:12 <MartinLW> yes. thank's belugas. I have already done that. 02:43:32 <MartinLW> next I will try to compile and to run the code. 02:43:39 <CIA-2> belugas * r6500 /branches/MiniIN/ (45 files in 3 dirs): [MiniIN]: Synch with trunk r6487:r6499 02:44:15 <Belugas_Gone> don't forget the data files :) 02:44:20 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FBC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:46:19 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 03:07:04 <CIA-2> belugas * r6501 /branches/XTDwidget/ (10 files in 3 dirs): [XTDwidget] -Synch with trunk r6486:6500 03:12:53 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 03:20:30 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:20:59 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 03:45:24 *** Serriaromeo_ [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 03:45:25 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:57:50 *** Serriaromeo_ [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:58:46 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 04:00:24 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:07:15 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:30 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:10:33 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 04:18:40 *** Serriaromeo_ [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 04:18:40 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:34:43 *** ThePizzaKing_ is now known as ThePizzaKing 04:50:08 *** Serriaromeo_ [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [] 05:00:45 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77BDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:12 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7652D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:18:36 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 06:46:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host117-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 06:46:44 <Wolf01> hi 07:48:49 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:55:51 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 08:07:01 *** MartinL [~MRenneke@dslb-082-083-070-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:12:37 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-229-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:14:39 *** Spoco [~Spoco@hoas-fe10dd00-131.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:15:05 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [] 08:21:37 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 08:35:13 *** Guest56 [Gono@N826P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 08:37:10 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:40:25 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N738P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:43:32 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 08:44:11 *** Ammler [~Ammler@160.146.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 08:46:32 *** Ammler [~Ammler@160.146.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [] 08:48:23 *** mikk36[EST] [mikk36@pc183.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 08:49:55 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:50:40 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 08:50:54 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F163.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:51 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc183.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:56:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:00:28 *** delfinke [~DELFIN_SO@ludens.elte.hu] has joined #openttd 09:00:38 <delfinke> Hi all 09:00:57 <peter1138> hi 09:01:54 <delfinke> Is here any ottd developer who can help me understand a problem? maybe i can fix it alone, maybe i understand it 09:02:59 <delfinke> my problem is: ottd 0.4.7 works fine, but 0.4.8-RC1 and 0.4.8 (and current MiniIN-r6488) is scattering 09:03:28 <PandaMojo> "Scattering"? 09:03:30 <delfinke> i mean the graphics and even my mouse cursor are stopping for a little about twice in a second 09:03:42 <PandaMojo> :-/ 09:04:03 <PandaMojo> stuttering you mean I think? 09:04:14 <delfinke> maybe stuttering :) 09:04:22 <PandaMojo> e.g. the movement isn't smooth, it's a bit jagged? 09:04:28 <delfinke> yes 09:04:42 <PandaMojo> Yeah, I wouldn't know the cause of that unfortunately :D 09:04:52 <delfinke> even in the scenario editor where there shoud not do a lot of computing 09:05:31 <PandaMojo> Well good luck with that, I'm off to bed :) 09:05:44 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:53 <delfinke> to bed at 11:05 am ? :) 09:07:50 *** delfinke [~DELFIN_SO@ludens.elte.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:12:32 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 09:17:24 *** e1ko_AfK [~L@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 09:17:38 *** e1ko_AfK is now known as e1ko 09:19:29 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 09:21:36 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 09:23:14 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [] 09:25:17 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:28:09 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:28:28 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:30:55 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588af9.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:30:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:32:28 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77BDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:33:18 <Bjarni> !seen Darkvater 09:33:18 <_42_> Bjarni, Darkvater (~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl) was last seen quitting #openttd 8 minutes ago (23.09. 09:25) stating "Ping timeout: 480 seconds" after spending 4 days 12 hours 37 minutes there. 09:33:46 <Bjarni> timeout, now that's a useful info on when he will return :P 09:35:31 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 09:36:41 <Brianetta> Bjarni: Can you think of a way to implement a track circuit on maglev? 09:40:52 <hylje> ?:o 09:43:28 <Bjarni> you mean putting the engine on the tracks instead in the locomotive? 09:44:01 <Bjarni> that should be possible 09:44:42 <hylje> but a bit redundant 09:45:47 <Bjarni> but I will wait until Darkvater answers Belugas on adding another byte to the map array. Since it would not be used for tracks, we can use it for speed limits and/or track power 09:46:00 <CIA-2> peter1138 * r6502 /branches/utf8/ (150 files in 11 dirs): [utf8] - Sync with r5900:r6000 from trunk 09:46:03 <hylje> :o 09:46:10 <peter1138> 150 o_O 09:46:53 <Bjarni> that's more than I have ever committed 09:47:21 <hylje> ouch 09:47:30 <Bjarni> peter1138: you do know that we agreed on not making too big changes in one commit, right? 09:47:36 <Bjarni> :P 09:47:40 <hylje> its a sync 09:47:47 <Bjarni> but somehow if it's a sync, I guess it's ok 09:48:19 <Bjarni> specially since the newest revision being synced is around 500 revisions old, so it's well tested by now 09:49:08 <peter1138> there were so many changes... i probably could've limited to 25 revisions and still committed tons of files in one change 09:49:30 <Bjarni> <Brianetta> Bjarni: Can you think of a way to implement a track circuit on maglev? <-- in short: yes, but why? :) 09:49:52 <Brianetta> Bjarni: So you can tell when there's a maintenance truck on the line... 09:50:12 <Brianetta> Or, indeed, a failed train 09:50:28 <Brianetta> Maglev won't always be a 35km test track 09:50:38 <Brianetta> One day there will be a real service on a network 09:50:52 <Bjarni> they are in Shanghai 09:51:05 <Brianetta> I odn't believe they run two trains at once there. 09:51:11 <Brianetta> Not on the same track. 09:51:17 <Bjarni> though that line is no bigger than the test one, but it is double tracked 09:58:24 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC66C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:08:37 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:09 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:09:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:10:42 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:30 <JohnUK89> Morning :) 10:14:45 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:22:33 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:50 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-238-54.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 10:34:26 *** jonty_comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 10:35:54 *** NullAcht15 [~unknown@dslb-082-083-229-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:38:15 <Gonozal_VIII> transrapid is not fast enough to make much difference to normal high speed trains, i think the first large commercial maglev networks will be as fast as planes or even faster in low pressure tubes 10:38:37 <NullAcht15> hi, I'm trying to host a dedicated openttd game, and for some reason it won't appear by name in the games list of the mulitplayer screen, only by IP address, and also marked as offline 10:39:09 <NullAcht15> When I click on that IP address though (on another computer) and click refresh, everything works 10:39:17 <NullAcht15> can someone help me with this? 10:41:03 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:05 <Gonozal_VIII> server_advertise = true <-- in cfg? 10:41:30 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 10:43:52 <NullAcht15> yes. Also, I see a big "dbg: [NET][UDP] We are advertised on the master-server!" in the logfile 10:44:00 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: 1wk 3days] 10:44:43 <NullAcht15> anyway, the game _can_ be found on the master server, only only by ip address and marke as offline 10:45:28 <Gonozal_VIII> wie is denn der servername? 10:47:35 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:59 <NullAcht15> "Waigl's Game" 10:48:26 <Gonozal_VIII> ist in der liste bei mir 10:48:35 <NullAcht15> so? hm.... 10:49:01 <NullAcht15> dann scheint sich das Problem ja in wohlgefallen aufgeloest zu haben... 10:49:06 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:49:16 <NullAcht15> Ich hab ihn immer anhand der IP suchen muessen 10:49:36 <Gonozal_VIII> ka.. evtl weil dus selbst bist 10:50:13 *** TrueLight [~truelight@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:50:28 *** TrueLight [~truelight@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 10:58:24 *** Ploes [Ploes@cpc1-rdng9-0-0-cust494.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:58:33 <Ploes> hi 11:01:10 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 11:01:29 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 11:03:40 <NullAcht15> Gonozal_VIII: Glaub ich nicht. Der Server ist ja ein komplett anderer Computer in nem anderen IP-Netz. Der kann das ja nicht riechen, dass er von der selben Person bedient wird, wie der Client 11:04:07 <Gonozal_VIII> dann weiß ichs auch nicht 11:05:33 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 11:05:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 11:16:26 *** Ploes [Ploes@cpc1-rdng9-0-0-cust494.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B769CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:20:33 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20:33 <Noldo> x 11:20:41 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-85-66.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 11:34:12 *** jonty_comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!] 11:37:03 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:40:42 *** ztanz [ztanz@ztanz.campus.luth.se] has joined #openttd 11:41:18 <ztanz> Hello =) 11:41:21 <ztanz> Might I ask a question? 11:41:24 <ztanz> May* 11:41:50 <Brianetta> People are allowed only one question. You just used yours up, I'm afraid. 11:41:56 <Brianetta> So sorry. 11:42:25 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50:12 <ztanz> Brianetta =( 11:50:17 <ztanz> Anyway, here goes 11:50:30 <ztanz> What are the requirements to make the cities grow 11:50:42 <Brianetta> Regularly serviced stations. 11:50:52 <Brianetta> The more the better, up to a limit of five, I believe 11:50:55 <ztanz> As I try to leave as much passengers/mail there as possible, sometimes driving water etc. 11:50:58 <Brianetta> or was it eight? 11:51:17 <Brianetta> If you're using tropical, you must also deliver food and water 11:51:24 <Brianetta> unless it's in the jungle 11:51:30 <ztanz> So, if I have three stations, the city will flourish aslong as I leave cargo (goods, water, food, passengers and mail) 11:52:26 <Brianetta> Yes. It'll flourish faster if you pop in a bus service with three stops. 11:52:26 <peter1138> leave? 11:52:36 <Brianetta> peter1138: drop off 11:52:44 <peter1138> oh 11:52:57 <peter1138> grrr 11:53:58 <peter1138> nothing on tv ;( 11:57:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:58:25 <Brianetta> http://www.500kmh.com/ 11:58:31 <Brianetta> Watch the vids on there, then (: 12:03:58 <peter1138> nice accessible website :/ 12:12:08 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:30 <Brianetta> Yeah, well 12:16:00 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F163.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17:24 <Sacro> http://www.500kmh.com/futureevents.html :| i cannae read it 12:19:32 <lws1984> bah, smelly frame layout 12:19:57 <lws1984> only about 2 inches for the actual news etc. the rest is a big picture of the Shanghai maglev 12:20:18 <XeryusTC> why does that maglev look so good from below? :) 12:20:36 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-238-54.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:50 <lws1984> looks better than your average 170's underside, that's for sure 12:22:22 <XeryusTC> :) 12:25:30 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: I'm off to a very small place!] 12:41:48 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:45:27 <Eddi|zuHause> grr... i need more RAM... 12:56:00 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76020.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B769CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 13:09:43 *** Ploes [~Ploes@cpc1-rdng9-0-0-cust494.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:09:46 <Ploes> hi all 13:11:34 *** Ploes [~Ploes@cpc1-rdng9-0-0-cust494.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 13:11:57 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:12:26 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:12:53 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 13:15:24 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:22:12 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F163.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:30:43 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F163.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:54 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:03:13 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 14:09:09 *** jez [doronic@client-82-14-77-28.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:11 <jez> Kewlio 14:09:17 <jez> I think my patch's utility has been completed! 14:09:26 <jez> I just need to clean up the code now and make it as concise as possible :-) 14:11:25 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 14:21:41 <Bjarni> cool 14:21:54 <Bjarni> what is it able to do now? :) 14:22:49 <jez> pretty much full face customization 14:22:56 <Bjarni> nice 14:22:58 <jez> Randomization whilst maintaining gender and ethnicity 14:23:24 <jez> (but my random face code can generate a random gender/ethnicity for new players) 14:23:27 <jez> load/save current face value to openttd.cfg 14:23:33 <jez> player_face variable 14:23:47 <jez> and you can view/set the current face code (the uint32 storing the current face) ingame 14:24:00 <jez> once i've cleaned up the code i'll release the diff 14:26:08 <jez> if only i could have it applied to a version of OpenTTD where they hadn't broken the AI completely 14:26:15 <jez> i dunno if this is a known bug 14:26:21 <jez> the latest SVN has a totally buggered up AI 14:26:27 <jez> it's unable to make any profit 14:26:35 <jez> i really hope they're re-doing it 14:26:52 <jez> it erases its own routes but leaves its trains stranded 14:28:20 *** canta__ [cyrus@p50875A05.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:32:22 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F163.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:34:32 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: +++ OK ATH OK] 14:34:50 *** Twinsen_ [user@86.124.4.122] has joined #openttd 14:35:37 *** cantares [cyrus@p5087641A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:37 *** canta__ is now known as cantares 14:36:32 <Sacro> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Transport-Tycoon-for-Windows-XP-like-locomotion_W0QQitemZ140033584018QQihZ004QQcategoryZ11051QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem SUE SUE SUE 14:38:01 <MartinLW> hi together 14:38:13 <jez> "These games are all Public Domain or Freeware games that hold no copyright" 14:39:07 <MartinLW> Im using VS 8 and can not start OTTD directly form VC. Is there a solution for that_ 14:39:44 <Twinsen_> did anyone buy it? 14:40:29 <jez> what licence IS openttd under? it's certainly not exactly prominent on the website 14:40:49 <jez> oh... 14:40:49 <jez> OpenTTD is licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2.0 14:40:50 <jez> :-) 14:40:51 <Bjarni> it's GPL 14:41:01 <jez> so it's illegal to sell for profit 14:41:03 <peter1138> except for the data files... 14:41:14 <peter1138> jez: no 14:41:32 <jez> ? 14:41:35 <peter1138> well, not openttd itself 14:41:42 <jez> oh thats right 14:41:59 <jez> it's not legal to sell gpl stuff for profit but... it might as well be 14:42:05 <jez> because you have to give out the source code 14:42:05 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 14:42:10 <jez> and someone can get it for free that way... 14:42:22 <jez> *illegal 14:42:27 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:35 <Bjarni> "This new version includes - High Res graphics" <--- no, the graphics are the same size 14:42:47 <jez> lol you dont know that he hasnt made some new gfx ;-) 14:42:59 <jez> he may have rewritten the gfx engine :-)D 14:43:17 <Bjarni> what do YOU think? 14:43:24 <jez> i think i'm being sarcastic 14:43:26 <Twinsen_> :)) 14:43:50 <Bjarni> did this guy write a new graphic engine and made new graphics and then he sells it on Ebay without telling what he actually did? 14:44:26 <Twinsen_> you can never know :P 14:45:01 <Bjarni> if he did that, then he would have spent so many hours on it that he would tell more about it 14:46:22 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 14:47:30 <Bjarni> OPEN TTD, a Transport Tycoon clone developed exclusively for use with Windows XP <-- ROFL 14:48:16 *** NullAcht15 [~unknown@dslb-082-083-229-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:38 <Twinsen_> lol... who said that? 14:49:06 *** MartinLW [~MRenneke@dslb-082-083-070-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:59 <Bjarni> that moron, who tries to sell OTTD 14:50:24 <Bjarni> TTD is a Prirate copy dont buy as it breaches copyright infringment ILLEGAL SW <-- somebody wrote that as feedback to a previous item 14:51:41 <Sacro> yeah, someone should report him to ebay... 14:51:52 <jez> Bjarni: that's actually a good description of OpenTTD :-) 14:52:02 <jez> except for the 'exclusively' bit 14:52:36 <peter1138> oh yeah 14:52:42 <peter1138> i was going to set up a server, wasn't i... 14:52:56 <Sacro> peter1138: yeah :D 14:52:58 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: http://iThought.dk/ ] 14:53:43 <Sacro> This is not a boxed and original copy of the game <- well duh... 14:54:17 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:18 <peter1138> mmm, tesco double choc muffin 14:54:25 <jez> ha! he's really got this con thing down to a tee - most of his images are links to Wikipedia! 14:54:33 <jez> peter1138: mighty unleahtly 14:54:36 <jez> unhealthy 14:54:40 <peter1138> yes :( 14:55:03 <Sacro> but very tasty 14:55:23 <peter1138> my parents were staying all week, so i've not had anything bad... 14:55:29 <Sacro> jez: and he's linking using JPEGS >< 14:55:36 * Sacro sends bobingabout after him 14:55:45 <jez> Sacro: still looks good for an eBay page 14:56:53 <Sacro> hello. i followed one of his image links, clicked up x2. and i can download 3 series of futurama from his server! 14:57:56 <peter1138> haha 14:58:27 <jez> eh? where? 14:59:04 <jez> ah i see you 14:59:07 <jez> in Czech :-\ 14:59:35 <jez> http://sweb.cz/ALCR/Tycoon/Locomotion%20full.jpg 14:59:41 <jez> Ack! The horibleness of Locomotion! :-( 15:00:15 <jez> And why is it that, without exception, all screenshots of Locomotion are in shit quality JPEG? 15:01:11 <Prof_Frink> To hide the actual lomo graphics? 15:01:19 <jez> they do that themselves 15:01:25 <jez> it's like trying to build a railway through Manhattan 15:01:33 <jez> with the buildings in the way 15:02:59 *** MartinL [~MRenneke@dslb-082-083-070-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:03:28 <MartinL> hi @all. I'm back. Now chatting with bersic 15:04:05 <MartinL> I have one additional question. What to do, when I have perpared a patch. Where should I upload it? 15:04:21 <Sacro> jez: its not, its just the subtitles, probably in czech 15:04:44 <Sacro> MartinL: the internet is a good start 15:05:11 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:05:16 <jez> MartinL: what's the patch for? 15:05:58 * Sacro is trying to find out how to report stuff to ebay 15:06:01 <MartinL> jez: it's for the bug: 1560913 15:06:06 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 15:06:10 <MartinL> I have already added a comment for that 15:06:58 <jez> MartinL: erm, where is that bug located? 15:07:17 <MartinL> jez: are there different bug list's? 15:07:37 <jez> oh 15:07:40 <jez> Sourceforge's onwe 15:07:43 <MartinL> I know only the list of bug's in svc 15:07:45 <jez> i think you're meant to use bugs.openttd.org 15:07:55 <jez> god knows why they didnt use Bugzilla for that, it's the best bug system 15:07:57 <jez> :-\ 15:08:21 <jez> svc? 15:09:01 <jez> i find sourceforge's website to be apallingly designed and stay away from it wherever possible 15:09:05 <MartinL> jez: on sourcefourge 15:09:32 <MartinL> sourceforge. sorry. 15:09:48 *** Chris_ [~chatzilla@M3437P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 15:09:56 <MartinL> ok. maybe it's the wrong bug list, but's a real bug ... 15:10:19 <MartinL> jez: what to do with the patch later on? 15:11:40 <MartinL> ? 15:12:22 <Sacro> ROFL 15:12:25 <Sacro> "through "real-time" (one month is a couple of minutes" 15:12:31 <Sacro> thats not real-time... 15:14:31 <MartinL> ... 15:14:31 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: It's real-time as opposed to turn-based 15:14:57 <Sacro> errm, but its not real time as in 24... 15:15:13 * Sacro is sooo close to buying PSX TT 15:15:35 <Prof_Frink> No, but "Real Time Strategy" is an estabished game genre 15:15:46 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:15:52 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 15:16:01 <Sacro> hmm, true 15:16:03 <peter1138> tum te tum 15:16:07 <peter1138> server running 15:16:10 <Born_Acorn> Sacro, you should, for the novelty. 15:16:10 <Prof_Frink> And I'm sure it takes more than a couple of minutes to build a Kirov 15:16:16 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, Callback 33! 15:16:17 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/ < grfs needed 15:16:33 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: yes... seeing as its just about the only console i can go on 15:16:48 <Sacro> peter1138: pb_ukrs v3? 15:16:53 <peter1138> yeah 15:17:04 <Sacro> wooyay! 15:17:29 <Sacro> hmm, someone is posting TTO too 15:17:34 *** Chris_ [~chatzilla@M3437P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 15:18:06 <Sacro> how can someone get away with charging £25 for TTDX 15:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... wasn't the usstats known to cause desyncs? 15:18:43 <peter1138> hmm, 1950 :/ 15:18:48 <peter1138> bollocks that up 15:18:49 <MartinL> What to do with patches. It is possible to load them up to bugs.openttd.org ? 15:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> MartinL: yes 15:19:11 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F163.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:17 <MartinL> I'm just working on a patch for a bug in sourceforge 15:19:30 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: pass. if it does, then there's a bug to fix. 15:19:48 <MartinL> should I add this to bugs.openttd.org? 15:19:54 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-149-227.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 15:20:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> i am pretty sure there was discussion about that... 15:20:31 <MartinL> Eddi: which version should I take to solve the bug? 15:20:38 <Sacro> grr, its so tempting... 15:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> MartinL: always the current HEAD 15:20:52 <Sacro> £14 for it.. 15:21:01 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:22:41 <jez> MartinL: i'd try to upload them to bugs.openttd.org 15:23:50 <MartinL> jez: you are talking about the bug's in sourceforge? 15:27:26 <glx> MartinL: no http://bugs.openttd.org is our flyspray tracker for bugs, patches ... 15:27:45 <MartinL> glx: yes. I understood 15:28:19 <MartinL> glx: I understood, that jez will load the two new bug's on sourceforge to that. 15:28:59 <MartinL> I just have patched the runtime error in case of double clicking the delelte button. 15:29:23 <MartinL> I will work through the rest of the code, to see if there is some other case of error 15:29:40 <MartinL> After that I will upload the patch to bugs.openttd.org 15:30:09 <MartinL> see you later. I have to leave for a while 15:33:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-20-183.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 15:33:40 <jez> MartinL: no, look at bugs.openttd.com 15:33:43 <jez> sorry, not .org 15:34:02 <jez> oh 15:34:05 <jez> well either should do 15:34:25 <jez> i dont like flyspray tracker :-\ 15:34:32 <jez> but then i am used to bugzilla 15:36:26 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 15:38:36 <peter1138> i hate bugzilla :) 15:40:32 <peter1138> hmm 15:40:39 <peter1138> can someone take a leak for me 15:43:04 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 15:43:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 15:46:47 <Bjarni> back 15:46:58 <peter1138> hmm 15:47:16 <Bjarni> Report a breach of an eBay listing policy or a prohibited item <-- that would be the one to use on that lamer on Ebay, right? 15:47:17 <peter1138> there needs to be a better way of specifying map properties for dedicated server games 15:47:36 <peter1138> i have no idea how to set the tgp stuff 15:48:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes 15:49:08 <Sacro> if he's claiming that what he is distributing is copyright free and public domain (which it isnt) 15:51:05 <Born_Acorn> I already reported it hours ago. :p 15:51:40 <Bjarni> you send an email to them, right? 15:51:53 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: cant see a problem in lots of us reporting it 15:51:54 <Bjarni> I think it will work better from an openttd.org email 15:52:11 <Sacro> Bjarni has a better standpoint seeing as he has commited to the code 15:53:11 <Sacro> hmm, he's in Welwyn Garden City 15:54:05 <Bjarni> damn, I need an account to report this guy, who sells the software I (together with other people) wrote o_O 15:54:22 <Sacro> thats not good, but they arent hard to open 15:54:30 <Sacro> just dont go getting addicted to buying stuff :p 15:57:53 *** Rens2EveOnline is now known as Rens2Sea 15:58:15 <Bjarni> maybe I should sue Ebay for wanting personal info from me to do anything about removing the illegal copy of the software created by the group, that I'm a part of. It's like it's ok to sell stolen stuff unless the owner of the stuff informs you about age, home address and a whole lot of other info 15:58:23 <Bjarni> that's not really how it works 15:58:38 <Sacro> that does seem abit suspect 15:59:11 <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, there is nothing to stop you writing a letter of giving them a call. :p 15:59:28 <Bjarni> there is 15:59:40 <Bjarni> I can't find any contact info now that I'm not logged in 15:59:52 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:00:15 <Born_Acorn> Sue them for moneys! 16:00:35 <Bjarni> "contact us" will not show me anything useful since I'm not logged in 16:02:11 <Bjarni> no, I can't do anything without telling them a whole lot about me 16:02:19 <Bjarni> and I'm not going to do that 16:02:43 <Sacro> hmm, lets have a look 16:04:36 <Sacro> both OpenTTD and TTDPatch might be illegal on eBay 16:04:56 <Bjarni> OpenTTD IS illegal to sell like that 16:05:10 <Sacro> if it comes up as a game enhancer 16:05:25 <Bjarni> I haven't checked the patch, but I think it is as well 16:05:35 <Sacro> no, its only for "domestic video game consoles" 16:05:50 <Sacro> so the PSP port is under fire, but PC/Mac etc arent 16:06:04 <Bjarni> no, that's not how it works 16:06:19 <Bjarni> it's illegal to sell any software not allowed to sell due to copyright 16:06:59 <Sacro> surely it can be sold under the terms of the GPL 16:07:08 <Sacro> http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/index_selection.html?siteid=0&co_partnerId=2&UsingSSL=1&ru=https%3A%2F%2Fsignin.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FSignIn%26ShowCUPortal%3D&pageType=PageShowCUPortal&guestSignIn=1 16:07:18 <Sacro> Bjarni: ^^ try that, should be in as guest 16:08:05 <glx> Sacro: GPL allows it but graphics are copyrighted and prevent the selling 16:08:10 <Bjarni> I tried that one before. When I'm done with it, I'm asked to log in to continue 16:08:51 <ln-> 17:41 < jez> it's not legal to sell gpl stuff for profit but... <-- wtf? 16:09:09 <peter1138> ln-: he meant illegal 16:09:30 <Sacro> glx: yes, but he is also stating that "This collection also includes OPEN TTD, a Transport Tycoon clone developed exclusively for use with Windows XP." 16:09:42 <Sacro> and "These games are all Public Domain or Freeware games that hold no copyright" 16:09:57 <Bjarni> yeah, his statements about the product are even incorrect 16:09:58 <Sacro> AFAIK bill gates near enough killed PD years ago :( 16:10:16 <Sacro> Bjarni: as the OSX porter, surely you can complain about that 16:10:20 <glx> I can't find it, what's the url? 16:10:28 <Sacro> glx: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Transport-Tycoon-for-Windows-XP-like-locomotion_W0QQitemZ140033584018QQihZ004QQcategoryZ11051QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 16:10:39 <Bjarni> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Transport-Tycoon-for-Windows-XP-like-locomotion_W0QQitemZ140033584018QQihZ004QQcategoryZ11051QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 16:11:02 <Sacro> http://sweb.cz/ALCR/Tycoon/TTDX%20full.jpg <- isnt that TTDP? 16:11:13 <Sacro> with having long vehicles 16:11:39 <Sacro> and the depots in the top left corner look as they could be copyrighted 16:11:53 <Sacro> and im pretty sure thats DBSet 16:13:18 <Sacro> and i might be being ignored :( 16:14:12 <Bjarni> what I'm really concerned about here is that the feedback about this guy tells that this guy sold TTD before and the buyer got upset because it turned out to be pirated and now he is doing it again 16:14:12 <glx> anyway "Transport Tycoon Deluxe" is not copyright free 16:14:36 <Sacro> glx: neither is openttd 16:14:46 <Sacro> and he may even be distributing grfs 16:14:51 <Sacro> *newgrfs 16:15:57 <Bjarni> he is distributing whatever he likes because it appears that he sold pirated software before and nobody will buy just OpenTTD without the grf files. It will not work, so why should people do that? 16:16:28 <Bjarni> also he needs to provide the source code, which I think he is ignoring as well, but I can't tell from that page 16:16:58 <Sacro> im considering buying it, purely to see how many copyright infringments there are 16:17:37 <Bjarni> are you prepared to contact Ebay if it turns out to be illegal? 16:18:00 <glx> Sacro: by doing that you will be a pirate too 16:18:18 <Sacro> glx: possibly true 16:18:28 <Bjarni> maybe he already is, so it will not matter 16:18:47 <Sacro> Bjarni: shhhh 16:18:53 <Bjarni> but the point is that Ebay should block him so he can't sell copyrighted stuff and make a profit on it 16:19:19 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes 16:19:28 <Sacro> also, we dont want him angering Atari 16:19:39 <Bjarni> that as well 16:20:21 <Bjarni> can somebody manage to get me an Email, so I can write to Ebay? 16:21:17 <Sacro> http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/contact_us/_base/index.html is the best i can find 16:21:37 <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, it's all done by contact forms. 16:21:40 <Born_Acorn> No emails. 16:21:49 <Sacro> can get him done for hotlinking to wikipedia too 16:21:51 <Born_Acorn> *No email adresses* 16:21:56 <Bjarni> hmm 16:22:45 * Bjarni wonders if Ebay got the right not to be able to be contacted without an account in a case like this 16:22:57 <Born_Acorn> Probably. 16:23:14 <Born_Acorn> They are a miassive multinational corporation. They've got it all figured out. 16:23:17 <Bjarni> I'm 100% sure that it's illegal in Denmark 16:23:17 <Born_Acorn> *massive. 16:23:24 <Sacro> well lets all sign up and bid for it :p ( and then not pay!!!) 16:23:42 <Born_Acorn> heh, we could get it up to 5000 pounds. :p 16:23:52 <Sacro> "i bidded on this item, then when i was about to pay, i found it for free download >>HERE<<" 16:24:14 <Bjarni> Sacro should bit £6500 16:25:10 <Sacro> no :p 16:25:18 *** woodalan [~woodalan@host81-159-63-66.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:26 <Bjarni> http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/contact_us/_base/LV_2_1_6UK.html?item=&dsturl=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.ebay.co.uk%2Fhelp%2Fcontact_us%2F_base%2Findex.html&tier0=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tier1=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tier2=LV_2_1_6UK&continue=Continue+%3E <-- I need the email address on that page from "Email us", but it's hidden because I'm not logged in 16:25:29 *** woodalan is now known as awoodland 16:25:49 <Sacro> im pretty sure that patchman should get involved too, cos im sure one of the screenshots is TTDP 16:26:00 <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, it brings up a contact form. 16:26:16 <Sacro> contact for 16:26:19 <Sacro> *m 16:26:31 <Born_Acorn> It's *all* contact forms! They don't like email adressess :p 16:26:48 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:03 *** ddream [~ddream@public-gprs24354.centertel.pl] has joined #openttd 16:35:27 *** Guest56 [Gono@N834P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:36:18 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:51 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N826P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:47 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 16:46:33 <ln-> peter1138: and selling GPL stuff for profit is illegal in your opinion? 16:46:43 <peter1138> no 16:48:21 <Sacro> its just stupid to pay for it if you can download it for free 16:48:45 <glx> like linux distro 16:49:44 *** ddream [~ddream@public-gprs24354.centertel.pl] has left #openttd [] 16:54:34 <peter1138> heh 16:55:07 <pumpkin> depends on your internet-connection. i would hat eto install something like debian over a 56K Modem line. 16:55:38 <Sacro> true, i did JohnUK89 a copy of Ubuntu, cos he was stuck on GPRS 16:56:20 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:33 <Sacro> lws1984! 16:56:37 <lws1984> Sacro! 16:59:27 <Born_Acorn> Sacro and lws1984! 16:59:40 <Sacro> Born_Acorn! 16:59:52 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! news hounds! 17:00:02 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: callback 33! 17:00:21 <Sacro> the army's shirt ninjas are the most feared assassins in the region, and public nudity is compulsory. 17:00:32 <Sacro> hahahaha, i hope i become president one day 17:01:29 * Sacro privatises the beaches 17:02:09 <peter1138> pumpkin: i did it :) 17:02:42 <Sacro> peter1138: theres a good few hours you'll never get back 17:02:57 <peter1138> true that 17:03:13 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:50 *** chew [~chew@194.51.100.246] has joined #openttd 17:18:32 <Bjarni> lws1984: worry about me! 17:18:38 <lws1984> here, I do! 17:38:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> downloading on 56k is not that problematic... 17:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you have a) flatrate and b) do not sit in front of it waiting to finish 17:42:35 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-229-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 17:48:26 *** Twinsen_ [user@86.124.4.122] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 17:50:00 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: also it depends on how much you want to download. OpenTTD is not an issue, but a liveDVD of some linux would be 17:50:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> i did download some cd sized things in the (short) time i had ISDN flatrate 17:51:10 <Bjarni> that's different 17:51:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> you just need a day patience ;) 17:51:19 <Bjarni> you didn't block the phone while doing so 17:51:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... right 17:51:38 <Bjarni> bbl 17:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> it would not disturb me, but all others in the house ;) 17:52:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> btw. often enough two people tried to phone simultaneously ;) 17:53:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i never had problems with speed... 17:58:08 *** chew [~chew@194.51.100.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:48 <jez> might possibly be able to get this patch out tonight 18:08:52 <jez> likely tomorrow morning though 18:09:04 <jez> i'm looking for it to be bug-tested 18:09:16 <jez> posting to the tt forums will probably be the best idea 18:11:04 <Sacro> maybe 18:13:52 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:14:25 <Sacro> heh, berk 18:15:07 <MartinL> hello together 18:15:43 <MartinL> I'm just trying to register on bugs.openttd.org, but I didn't got a mail 18:15:57 <Sacro> hmm, dunno who runs that one 18:16:02 <MartinL> How long is the waiting time? 18:16:12 <Sacro> Bjarni: PING :p 18:16:29 <Sacro> MartinL: not sure, ive never registered myself yet 18:16:31 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 18:17:01 <Sacro> all the proper devs are out :( seems Bjarni is the nearest we have 18:17:41 <MartinL> Sacro: Thanks. Maybe there is an other person who can help. 18:18:15 <Sacro> MartinL: errm.. yeah, trying to think who 18:19:12 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-85-66.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has left #openttd [Leaving] 18:20:33 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:40 <Sacro> lws1984! 18:20:44 <lws1984> Sacro! 18:21:49 <Sacro> oooh, now i wonder if http://www.gpl-violations.org/index.html would be interested in our ebay guy 18:24:46 *** Rens2EveOnline is now known as Rens2Sea 18:36:40 <ln-> how does the ebay guy violate gpl? 18:37:08 <Sacro> "These games are all Public Domain or Freeware games that hold no copyright" 18:37:19 <Noldo> what where? 18:37:34 <Sacro> Noldo: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Transport-Tycoon-for-Windows-XP-like-locomotion_W0QQitemZ140033584018QQihZ004QQcategoryZ11051QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 18:41:58 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 18:43:15 <Bjarni> <MartinL> I'm just trying to register on bugs.openttd.org, but I didn't got a mail <-- what nick? 18:43:56 <Bjarni> I can't see any pending accounts at all, so it looks like something went wrong 18:44:12 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:44:13 <MartinL> Bjarni: My Nick is MartinL 18:44:13 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:44:23 <MartinL> Bjarni: or MartinSaenger 18:44:40 <Bjarni> none of them are present in the user list 18:44:42 <Bjarni> try again 18:44:45 <Bjarni> something went wrong 18:45:12 <MartinL> I've got an error according to some scripting problems ... 18:45:16 <MartinL> I'll try again 18:45:51 <Bjarni> if it fails again, then talk to MiHaMiX 18:45:56 <Bjarni> bbl 18:46:08 <MartinL> brarni: Error is for example: Undefined variable: register_text in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/modify.php on line 607 18:46:22 <Bjarni> talk to MiHaMiX about it 18:46:24 <MartinL> brarni: or: Undefined index: project_title in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/modify.php on line 607 18:46:39 <Bjarni> btw try using a different browser 18:46:58 <Bjarni> firefox never failed me on any of the openttd.org pages 18:47:01 <Bjarni> bbl (again) 18:47:37 <MartinL> brarni: ok. I'll try 18:48:01 *** woodalan_ [~woodalan@host81-159-63-66.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:48:01 <ln-> ok, well has anyone reported this ebay guy to the staff yet? 18:48:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> Born_Acorn said he did 18:48:26 <Born_Acorn> I did! 18:49:03 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust334.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:04 <glx> MartinL: it's Bjarni not brarni :) 18:49:28 <MartinL> Bjarni: sorry. 18:49:33 *** woodalan__ [~woodalan@host81-159-63-66.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:49:51 <Sacro> ln-: could do with all the devs doing it, Bjarni, DV, TL, peter1138... anyone whose committed to the source 18:50:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't understand people mistyping nicks, in the time of tab-completition... 18:50:28 <ln-> Sacro: but he could be reported for the fact that he's selling warez, too. 18:50:35 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: some people dont know about that 18:50:36 <ln-> selling gpl isn't illegal as such. 18:50:51 <Sacro> ln-: but claiming its PD and uncopywrited is 18:50:51 <ln-> claiming that it doesn't have copyright is wrong information, yes. 18:50:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's why i just told him, Sacro ;) 18:51:04 <Sacro> ln-: removing the GPL notice is illegal 18:51:19 <MartinL> eddi: ok. please explain tab-completition. I'm new here 18:51:30 <Noldo> I see that as normal marketing misinformation 18:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> MartinL: there is nothing to explain... press tab, and it completes the nick you were trying to type 18:51:56 *** woodalan [~woodalan@host81-159-63-66.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:52:01 <Sacro> MartinL: just type the first letter or 2 of someones name, and press <tab> 18:52:36 * peter1138 ponders armagetron 18:53:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have often seen this word "ponder" around here... what exactly does that mean? 18:53:30 <MartinL> sacro: sorry. didn't work with my client. 18:53:42 <Sacro> MartinL: which client? 18:53:58 <MartinL> sacro: It's bersirc irc client. maybe there is a better one. 18:54:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> get mirc, like everyone else :) 18:54:13 <Noldo> irssi <3 18:54:26 <ln-> ponder ['p?nd?] verb nachsinnen 18:54:30 *** awoodland [~woodalan@host81-159-63-66.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:38 <MartinL> eddi: ok. thx. I'll try. 18:55:08 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: pretty much "thinks about" 18:55:46 <peter1138> seems that some players get "pixel perfect" positioning, even with network lag... 18:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> "nachsinnen"? i know nobody who would even consider using that word :p 18:56:03 *** woodalan_ [~woodalan@host81-159-63-66.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:23 <ln-> nadenken over 18:56:25 <peter1138> mind you, i can't aim very well in fpses either 18:56:53 <ln-> latolgat 18:56:59 <ln-> rozwa?a? 18:57:12 <ln-> ??????????; ?????????? 18:57:26 <Sacro> ln-: bless you 18:57:35 *** woodalan__ [~woodalan@host81-159-63-66.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:59 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 18:58:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 19:00:37 <jez> ok 19:00:44 <jez> I'm ready to make a .diff of my changes for my patch 19:00:52 <jez> time to find out how to do it with TortoiseSVN 19:01:42 *** MartinL [~MRenneke@dslb-082-083-070-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Quick! Kill your client! Bersirc 2.2 is here! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]] 19:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> with a right click ;) 19:09:56 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: http://iThought.dk/ ] 19:10:15 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 19:15:07 *** MartinL [~Martin_Re@dslb-082-083-070-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:14 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F163.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:48 <MartinL> Bjarni: Ok. mIRC is running now. Never will write your Nick wrong :-) 19:15:54 <hylje> :o 19:15:58 <Noldo> :) 19:16:20 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F163.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:05 <Prof_Frink> MartinL: Eww, mURK 19:18:53 <hylje> murk loar 19:19:22 <Prof_Frink> loar? 19:19:37 <MartinL> Prof_Frink: ?? 19:19:43 <hylje> lurk moar 19:20:04 <hylje> http://tmp.4chan.org/wg/src/1158830263013.jpg 19:20:08 <MartinL> registering on bugs.openttd.org is also with firefox not possible for me :-( 19:20:15 <Prof_Frink> MartinL: Use irssi. 19:20:54 <MartinL> Prof_Frink: Ok. I'll try that later on ;-) 19:22:55 <jez> ARGHH 19:23:08 <jez> thank you belugas, ou've buggered up my patch with your 'fixing' of WindowEvent 19:23:30 <jez> i don't see what was wrong with it before 19:26:24 <Sacro> hylje: what is that picture? 19:26:56 <hylje> some wallpaper 19:27:01 <hylje> probably a render 19:27:02 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [:---O] 19:27:20 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:29:22 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F163.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:29:27 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:30:22 <MartinL> can somebody help with registering on http://bugs.openttd.org ??? 19:30:54 <MartinL> I got three error's. One of them is: Undefined variable: register_text in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/modify.php on line 607 19:35:52 <MartinL> one other question. Is there anybody to discuss a detail about the source code of OTTD? 19:36:03 <Sacro> MartinL: just ask 19:36:26 <Prof_Frink> And we'll all abuse you for not understanding it 19:36:36 <Sacro> thats the normal way... 19:36:58 <MartinL> I have just fixed a bug, which occured, when double clicking the delete button twice in the save dialogue 19:37:01 <MartinL> :-) 19:37:29 <Sacro> double clicking twice... thats a new one 19:37:50 <MartinL> Sacro: yes it's just raised on sourceforge 19:38:02 <Sacro> ah, SF is never checked 19:38:36 <MartinL> the reason is, that when deleting the error windows after the second click ... 19:38:45 *** jez9999 [bengal@client-81-107-203-108.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:30 <MartinL> the data of the w pointer in the handler are moved to an other adress 19:39:41 <jez9999> !seen Belugas 19:39:43 <_42_> jez9999, I found 2 matches to your query: Belugas_Gone, Belugas. Belugas_Gone (~Jfranc@216.191.111.226) was last seen joining #openttd.tgp 9 hours 30 minutes ago (23.09. 10:09). Belugas_Gone is still there. 19:40:08 <Sacro> jez: look in the users list, he is at the top 19:40:14 <jez9999> i was looking for the latter 19:40:21 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC66C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:21 <Sacro> the latter? 19:40:25 <jez9999> Belugas 19:40:38 <Sacro> well hes gone currently :p 19:40:54 <Sacro> hence "Belugas_Gone" 19:42:07 <MartinL> when calling UpdateTextBufferSize then, there is a NULL pointer exeption 19:42:23 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-125-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:55 <jez9999> Sacro: you talking from uni now? you must be my brother 19:43:05 <Sacro> wha? 19:43:16 <Sacro> your not my brother 19:43:23 <jez9999> heh :-) 19:43:27 <jez9999> he just went up to uni today 19:43:42 <Sacro> which one? 19:43:43 <MartinL> oh. oh. maybe the explaination was to bad ... 19:44:39 <jez9999> does Belugas accept /msgs? 19:45:24 <Sacro> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE UNDERDOGS IS DEAD 19:45:43 *** jez [doronic@client-82-14-77-28.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:17 <jez9999> http://209.120.136.195/ 19:47:21 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-87.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:27 <jez9999> not dead, just not good at keeping their domain 19:47:57 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-134-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:03 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 19:48:38 <Sacro> heh, fools 19:50:50 <jez9999> anyone know when Belugas is likely to be back?: 19:51:43 <Sacro> errm, probably around 11ish 19:51:49 <Sacro> hes in canada afaik 19:57:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:58:11 <glx> MartinL: can you upload your diff somewhere, so I can check it ? 19:58:31 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: 1wk 3days] 19:58:41 <glx> jez9999: yes Belugas_Gone accepts /msgs but he's not available on week end 19:59:21 <glx> jez9999: I know what he changed maybe I can help you 20:01:02 *** Chmielok [~chmielok@avh44.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 20:01:11 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B844F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:01:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:04:43 <jez9999> oh 20:04:44 <jez9999> ok 20:04:53 <jez9999> im just reading up on unions 20:04:55 <jez9999> maybe then i can understand 20:05:57 <glx> btw the change is quite trivial 20:06:03 <jez9999> which change 20:06:27 <glx> "WindowEvent" stuff 20:07:33 <jez9999> hmm 20:08:04 <jez9999> i sort of understand what a union is 20:08:19 <jez9999> i dont understand why the old code required that each of its structs started with a 'byte event' 20:09:12 <glx> because it was an union 20:09:45 <jez9999> a union can contain different types of data... 20:09:52 <glx> all elements in an union starts at the same address 20:10:27 *** woodalan [~woodalan@host81-159-63-66.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:30 <jez9999> riight... 20:10:34 <jez9999> so what 20:12:01 *** Chmielok [~chmielok@avh44.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:13:22 <jez9999> ? 20:14:07 <glx> so "byte event" needed to be the first thing in all elements 20:17:25 <jez9999> erm, sorry, i dont understand 20:17:34 <jez9999> why is that necessary? 20:18:01 <jez9999> you can have union {byte event; int blah;} 20:18:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> bacause! 20:18:08 <jez9999> why cant you replace blah with a struct? 20:19:13 <SpComb> event and blah are at the same address 20:19:18 <jez9999> yes. 20:19:28 <SpComb> if blah is a struct pointer (or however it works), event will be half a pointer (or whatever) 20:19:58 <MartinL> glx: Sorry. not on flyspray 20:19:59 <jez9999> structs don't use pointers 20:20:08 <jez9999> pointers use pointers 20:20:16 <MartinL> glx: I can't register there 20:20:19 <peter1138> because you need the byte event to know what event type it is... 20:20:24 <SpComb> I don't know what they use, but it will interfere with the event 20:20:41 <glx> MartinL: I know :) 20:20:45 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 20:20:51 <glx> MartinL: is it a big diff ? 20:20:54 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:15 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:21:48 <MartinL> glx: no. actual only miscgui.c 20:22:15 <MartinL> glx: misc_gui.c to be correct 20:22:15 <jez9999> uck! 20:22:20 <jez9999> that sucks 20:22:27 <jez9999> and i've used e.blah quite a lot in my code 20:22:38 <jez9999> now i have to go and change EVERYthing to e.we.blah 20:22:40 <jez9999> sighhhhhhhhh 20:22:58 <MartinL> glx: but maybe some other code should be changed. That is what I want to discuss before ... 20:22:58 <glx> jez9999: yes, sorry for you :( 20:24:51 <jez9999> oh god 20:24:56 <jez9999> now i can't connect to svn.openttd.org 20:24:59 <jez9999> what is wrong with it? 20:25:26 <jez9999> right working 20:27:46 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:30:53 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:10 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 20:31:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 20:45:22 <MartinL> by @all. I have to leave. cu. 20:47:24 <jez9999> Darkvater: Why in the hell did you rename the GetStringWidth function? Don't you think it've been better to turn it into an injection function for the new one? grr. This is most annoying. 20:52:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> hylje: whoever made that picture exaggerated a little on the thickness of the catenary :p 20:52:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> other than that it looks really great 20:53:49 *** Oro [~1034F7923@208-227-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #openttd 20:53:57 <Oro> hello ? 20:54:12 *** Oro is now known as Oro_Transport 20:55:04 *** MartinL [~Martin_Re@dslb-082-083-070-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 20:55:31 <jez9999> oh yuk 20:55:38 <Oro_Transport> umh ? 20:55:41 <jez9999> they're letting you change stuff to a million different colours now? 20:55:43 <jez9999> i don't like this 20:55:54 <jez9999> it's gonna be too difficult to tell the difference between players' vehicles :-( 20:56:18 <Oro_Transport> i've got a problem with ott, can u help me ? 20:56:53 <glx> jez9999: you can choose how these colors are displayed 20:57:20 <jez9999> say you have a multiplayer game and red player chooses to have all his trains in yellow 20:57:24 <jez9999> that's gonna suck 20:57:28 <jez9999> you cant tell which is yellow and which is red 20:58:08 <Zavior> You can still see the color of the track 20:58:14 <jez9999> *vomit* 20:58:18 <jez9999> THAT SUCKS 20:58:19 <jez9999> :-( 20:58:29 <jez9999> i want all the players' vehicles in one colour :'-( 20:58:40 <jez9999> they're ruining openttd 20:59:03 <glx> jez9999: there's a patch setting for that 20:59:08 <Oro_Transport> the ai seems screwed, the computer players will just waste all their money on leveling land randombly... they arent competitive at all, dont try to accomplish subsidies, sometimes they build really large (and useless) bridges 20:59:09 <Oro_Transport> idk 20:59:20 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 20:59:33 <glx> Oro_Transport: that's a known fact :) 20:59:46 <Oro_Transport> right... 20:59:48 <Zavior> Its the same AI as in original ttd i belive 20:59:57 <Oro_Transport> is there any way of fixing it ? 21:00:15 <jez9999> i seriously dont like this bloody colour thing 21:00:19 <Oro_Transport> i really look forward to single player gaming, i dont have time for large multiplayers games... it would be a shame to be stuck with fucked up ai ¬¬ 21:00:21 <jez9999> IMHO that was one of the stupid weaknesses of Locomotion 21:00:29 <jez9999> that you could set everything to different colours 21:00:32 <jez9999> it's ludicrous 21:00:49 <jez9999> who is implementing this shit? i wanna have a word with them 21:01:00 <glx> ttdpatch did it 21:01:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Tron] by ChanServ 21:01:12 *** jez9999 was kicked from #openttd by Tron [Flame elsewhere] 21:01:12 *** jez9999 [bengal@client-81-107-203-108.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:22 <Oro_Transport> ttd fixes the ai thing ? 21:01:30 <Zavior> No, its the same AI in ttd 21:01:32 <Oro_Transport> thanks tron 21:01:50 <jez9999> yeah but you dont have to copy everything ttdpatch did 21:02:18 <Oro_Transport> im confused, is there any way to fix the ai? if so, how ? 21:02:29 <glx> jez9999: and I already said you can disable the displaying of this colour 21:02:47 <jez9999> how 21:02:52 <glx> Oro_Transport: the only way to fix the AI is to recode it 21:02:52 <Zavior> rofl 21:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> Oro_Transport: there is currently no work on a new AI 21:03:05 <glx> jez9999: advanced settings 21:03:11 <jez9999> sigh 21:03:17 <Oro_Transport> damn .... 21:03:19 <jez9999> and they ruined the player colour selection dialog :-( 21:03:21 <Zavior> It was told you like 2 times already 21:03:22 <Zavior> :P 21:03:22 <jez9999> i liked the coloured busses 21:03:25 <jez9999> everything's becoming so boring 21:03:38 <jez9999> dialogs and dialogs 21:04:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you think the colour selection was the most important part of the game, you should rethink your playing this game... 21:05:56 <jez9999> erm 21:05:59 <Oro_Transport> cya everyone 21:06:02 *** Oro_Transport [~1034F7923@208-227-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:07 <jez9999> it's pretty important in identifiying players' vehicles, i'd say 21:06:12 <jez9999> so don't give me that bullshit 21:06:15 <Zavior> :D 21:06:18 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*bengal@client-81-107-203-108.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] by Tron 21:06:18 *** jez9999 was kicked from #openttd by Tron [jez9999] 21:06:35 <glx> well he was warned I think 21:06:43 <Zavior> I guess he didn't really understand the 'you can change it in options' part 21:07:25 *** Rens2EveOnline [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:25 *** jez [jinx@client-81-107-203-108.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:32 <jez> who is in control of Tron? 21:09:39 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*jinx@client-81-107-203-108.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] by Tron 21:09:39 *** jez was kicked from #openttd by Tron [jez] 21:10:42 <Tron> this guy thinks i'm a bot o_O 21:11:00 <hylje> now he thinks your owner requested a kb 21:11:02 <Zavior> :D 21:11:04 <Neonox> you are not a bot? huh??!!??! :)) 21:11:48 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*bengal@client-81-107-203-108.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] by Tron 21:14:49 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*jinx@client-81-107-203-108.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] by Tron 21:14:52 *** jez [jinx@client-81-107-203-108.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:22 <Tron> go on trolling and next time it's longer than 5 minutes 21:16:29 <jez> ok, so what am i allowed to say? 21:16:39 <jez> i've honestly no idea, if asking who you are is trolling 21:17:28 <Tron> yeah, sure, your every other word is a colourful metaphor and you have no idea what you're doing wrong 21:17:33 *** cSawyer [~3efc0006@ginnypig.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:56 <jez> ok, so you can't complain in this channel? 21:18:20 <hylje> of course you can 21:18:25 <Tron> there's a not so subtle difference between complaining and swearing 21:18:31 <jez> ok 21:18:36 <jez> so you cant ask who someone is 21:18:44 <glx> jez, the problem is that you complain about something you can disable if you don't like 21:18:59 <jez> i cant disable the boring non-bus dialog :-) 21:19:04 <jez> boring and complex 21:19:45 <hylje> non-bus dialog? 21:19:55 <jez> the colour scheme dialog! 21:20:04 <jez> they ruined it 21:20:17 <glx> no it's improved :) 21:20:21 <Neonox> you can still use one colour for all 21:20:30 <jez> and just as i was working hard on a patch too, they went and did that 21:20:33 <jez> *sigh* 21:20:36 *** trate [wxrkp1ogh0@66.45.41.59] has joined #openttd 21:20:49 <glx> just set "standard livery" and you're don 21:20:52 <glx> *done 21:22:10 *** Neonox is now known as neo_dvd_saw2 21:22:25 <jez> :-((((( 21:23:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> ihgitt... saw 2... 21:24:59 <Gonozal_VIII> viel autsch... 21:26:08 <jez> peter1138. 21:26:41 <jez> that's who's to blame. 21:26:51 <Born_Acorn> Nobody's to blame. 21:26:53 <Born_Acorn> OpenTTD is open source. It's going to be constantly changing. If you don't like it, you can play 0.4.8 for eternity. See if anyone gives a damn. 21:27:09 <jez> no 21:27:15 <jez> it's gonna be changing the way certain people want it to 21:27:18 <jez> i want to change it back 21:27:31 <Born_Acorn> I suppose we should get rid of TGP because it changes the New Game dialogue too then. 21:27:52 <Zavior> Lets get rid of the whole game screen then, I might change too 21:27:56 <Born_Acorn> and all the other features that change the GUI. 21:28:04 <jez> they changed it for the better. this didnt 21:28:05 <Brianetta> jez: You can change it back. You have the source. 21:28:13 <jez> yeah but i can't commit it can i?? 21:28:15 <Brianetta> So? 21:28:26 <Born_Acorn> Nobody else wants the old one back. 21:28:27 <Prof_Frink> jez: Accept it, or fork off ;) 21:28:30 <jez> if i wanna play future network games i have to put up with this... 21:28:35 <Brianetta> Why would you want to commit? You're the only one that wants it changed back. 21:28:37 <Wolf01> night 21:28:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host117-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:29:10 <jez> heh 21:29:19 <jez> if Bjarni wanted it back, it'd be back 21:29:20 <peter1138> jez: bzzt. configure patches -> interface -> show company liveries: none 21:29:25 <jez> dont act like it's anywhere near a democraydc 21:29:36 <jez> peter1138: you didn't have to hork up the colour selection dialog 21:29:45 <jez> you could've just added a tab for the advanced livery 21:29:47 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-152-70.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 21:30:20 *** e1ko [~L@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.5/2006091003]] 21:30:22 <Prof_Frink> jez: It's all ctachup work to ttdpatch anyways 21:30:28 <Born_Acorn> He could have, but he didn't. 21:30:36 <Born_Acorn> Because nobody minded. 21:30:37 <jez> why do you have to emulate ttdpatch? 21:30:41 <Prof_Frink> Speaking of which... 21:30:43 <Brianetta> Does openttd have dialogue tabs? 21:30:50 <Prof_Frink> peter1138! NewsHounds! 21:31:01 <Brianetta> jez: Not emulate, surpass. It's like an arms race. 21:31:04 <peter1138> Brianetta: only buttons that try to emulate it badly :) 21:31:06 <glx> jez: where's the problem, it works like the previous one if you only change the first color of standard livery 21:31:10 <jez> Brianetta: look at the old face selection diualog 21:31:14 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F163.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:18 <jez> see the male/female push buttons? they can easily act as tabs 21:31:21 <Brianetta> jez: Why? I never use it. 21:31:37 <Brianetta> They're tabs? 21:31:39 <jez> Brianetta: if you're going to be obtuse, STFU. 21:31:40 <Brianetta> Oh, I suppose 21:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Surpass without catch up" ... i am having a cold war flashback ;) 21:31:55 <Brianetta> but they don't change the entire dialogue 21:32:08 <jez> Brianetta: so? 21:32:17 <jez> stick them at the top of a dialog and they'll look like tabs 21:32:31 <Brianetta> jez: So, normally a tab does that. Otherwise, interfaces tend to use what's known as a radio button set. 21:32:55 <peter1138> all those females look like post-ops anyway 21:33:00 <Brianetta> Think of any tabbed dialoge box in Windows, for example. 21:33:17 <Brianetta> The tabs are independant of each other, not representative of a selected option. 21:33:45 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, they most probably are. :p 21:34:12 <jez> Brianetta: ever looked at the raskbar? 21:34:16 <jez> *taskbar 21:34:33 <Brianetta> jez: You're not going to call those tabs, are you? 21:34:40 <jez> yes. and so is the windows GUI. 21:34:47 <Brianetta> They're buttons, and are described as such in Windows help. 21:34:48 <jez> they're a tab style 21:35:00 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:35:01 <jez> oh ok ok then let's call them buttons!! 21:35:03 <jez> you're the boss! 21:35:31 <Born_Acorn> He most certainly is! 21:35:43 <Born_Acorn> Coffee, sir? 21:35:48 <Brianetta> Thanks, Bjarni 21:35:50 <Brianetta> er 21:35:51 <Brianetta> Born_Acorn 21:36:04 <Born_Acorn> I'm Bjarni if you wish, sir. 21:36:07 <Brianetta> sorry about that, all you underlings look alike... 21:36:13 <Born_Acorn> Bjorn_Acorn 21:36:14 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:18 <peter1138> heh 21:36:29 <Brianetta> (-: 21:36:55 * Prof_Frink runs a quick comparison... TTDPatch's dialogue is much easier to use if you want one primary colour and variable secondaries 21:37:06 <jez> peter: can i add a tab at the top to display the old livery dialog? 21:37:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> Björn_Acorn ;) 21:37:43 <peter1138> do what you like 21:37:49 <Born_Acorn> How about a button in the Interface patch settings to alternate between the two. 21:38:12 <Gonozal_VIII> color selection is a thing that takes some seconds and you have to do it once in a game that lasts for many hours or even days... i don't care what that window looks like 21:38:19 <Brianetta> Born_Acorn: Would such a button require any additional coding? 21:38:40 <Born_Acorn> I don't know and I don't care. Very little non-developer patches get through anyway. :p 21:38:55 <Brianetta> Gonozal_VIII: Some players like to change liveries after a few decades... perhaps twice per game. 21:39:33 <Brianetta> yes, non-developer patches get condemned to the miniin 21:39:54 <peter1138> 'cept mart3p's, heh 21:40:00 <Born_Acorn> I wonder if someone could create a new GRF file which would overlap default vehicles, making them 2cc. 21:40:18 <Prof_Frink> Born_Acorn: Go for it 21:40:22 <jez> i suspect my patch will get in. 21:40:25 <Born_Acorn> I'm planning! 21:40:35 <peter1138> you could, but you'd be copying the original data... 21:40:46 <jez> there's a lot of demand for it and frankly it would seem to fit in quite well with the new livery dialog as it offers an assload of customization that most people wont need :-P 21:40:54 <Born_Acorn> A lot of demand? 21:40:57 <jez> yes 21:40:59 <jez> read tt-forums 21:40:59 <Born_Acorn> You're the first one and only. 21:41:03 <Prof_Frink> It should only need to ActionA, unless you need 2cc-enabling magic 21:41:06 <jez> um, no, im talking about another patch 21:41:29 <Prof_Frink> In fact, it wouldn't need any coding - just grdtogrf it 21:41:30 <peter1138> Prof_Frink: you do, and a flag for MUs 21:41:47 <peter1138> hmm, iirc it's a flag in the same variable 21:41:52 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:56 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 21:42:13 <ln-> http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/susan/joke/laura.htm 21:43:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> 2 girl's names in one line, you just HAVE to click on that ;) 21:43:59 *** Netsplit helium.oftc.net <-> hydrogen.oftc.net quits: Triffid_Hunter, pv2b, ln-, valhalla1w, qfh, Prof_Frink 21:47:13 <peter1138> well, night night 21:47:26 *** Netsplit over, joins: Triffid_Hunter, Prof_Frink, valhalla1w, ln-, pv2b, qfh 21:47:57 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: don't forget to update grfcrawler with the new ukwaypoints :D 21:49:27 <Bjarni> <Born_Acorn> I'm Bjarni if you wish, sir. <-- no you are not 21:49:33 <Born_Acorn> :( 21:49:37 <Bjarni> there are some major differences 21:49:44 <Bjarni> like I'm op and you are not 21:50:15 <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, but Brianetta is the boss! 21:51:02 * Bjarni simulates kicking Brianetta 21:51:06 <Bjarni> no he is not 21:51:21 <Brianetta> )-: 21:51:28 <Brianetta> My tenure as short-lives. 21:51:31 <Brianetta> er, lived. 21:51:37 <Bjarni> whenever you say something, you are either wrong or you agree with me 21:51:37 <Brianetta> and was 21:51:41 <Bjarni> it's as simple as that 21:51:45 <Born_Acorn> I agree. 21:51:47 *** trate [wxrkp1ogh0@66.45.41.59] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 21:52:04 <Brianetta> I am wrong. 21:52:17 *** cSawyer [~3efc0006@ginnypig.net] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)] 21:52:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> what if you are both? 21:52:52 <Brianetta> It's called a paradox 21:53:07 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: are you implying that I can be wrong? 21:53:09 <Brianetta> I am wrong. Either Bjarni disagrees, or... 21:53:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> i am not implying anythin, it was a simple question ;) 21:53:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> +g 21:54:02 <jez> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=495587 21:54:10 <jez> ^ Patch done ^ 21:54:18 <Bjarni> <Brianetta> I am wrong. <-- I agree with that statement, so it's correct, specially since it refers to an earlier statement (whatever that might be) 21:54:46 <Brianetta> If I am right, I cannot be wrong. If I am wrong, I cannot possibly be in agreement with Bjarni, therefore Bjarni believes I am right. 21:55:22 <Brianetta> Bjarni: "I am wrong" references itself 21:55:35 <Bjarni> I disagree 21:55:35 <Brianetta> This statement evaluates to false. 21:56:00 <Brianetta> This sentence is wrong. 21:56:33 <Brianetta> This sentence is not wrong. 21:56:36 <Brianetta> This one is, though 21:56:43 * Brianetta flips state in Bjarni 21:56:46 <Brianetta> Are you warming up yet? 21:57:19 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:57:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 21:58:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> best greetings from Gödel :) 21:58:57 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:02:25 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 22:02:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 22:07:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B844F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 22:13:52 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:25 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> (for those not familiar with the matter: Gödel said: each logical system with sufficient complexity is either incomplete or inconsistent) 22:19:43 <Bjarni> who is Gödel? 22:19:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> (the proof goes effectively by creating a statement: "this statement is false") 22:20:21 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: are you telling the truth? 22:21:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> (such a statement is either unprovable (which makes the system incomplete), or it is true (which makes it inconsistent)) 22:22:13 <Bjarni> come on. It's a yes/no question 22:22:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> i am never answering yes/no questions 22:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> and other questions i answer by "yes" ;) 22:22:59 <jez> Bjarni: what do you think of my patch? 22:23:32 <Bjarni> jez: I will not say until I have read it. I might do so tomorrow 22:23:53 <jez> heh 22:23:54 <jez> k 22:24:17 <Bjarni> I had other stuff to do tonight and now I'm a bit tired, so it would not be fair to your patch if I look at it and maybe find it obscene or something 22:24:28 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:12 <Bjarni> hi fellow mac user 22:25:24 * Bjarni gives lws1984 the secret mac user greeting 22:25:40 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:11 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 22:27:04 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:29:53 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 22:30:24 <jez> the only way you'd find it obscene is if you create a particularly ugly black female face 22:31:14 <Bjarni> why would the code be obscene for doing that? 22:31:31 <Bjarni> you added a "create particularly ugly black female face" function? 22:31:37 <Sacro> Bjarni: using dirty words for variables 22:32:21 <Bjarni> he is dirty 22:32:38 <Bjarni> he got variables in his patch and you can assign sex to them 22:32:48 <Sacro> mmm, sex - yes please 22:33:36 <Bjarni> have you ever said that to Sophie? 22:34:05 <Sacro> quite probably 22:34:20 <Sacro> but shes working till 3 tonight 22:34:50 <Bjarni> what kind of work got that kind of hours? 22:34:56 <Bjarni> prostitution? 22:35:05 <Sacro> yeah 22:35:15 <Sacro> but she works behind the bar at the student union at the uni 22:35:17 <Bjarni> o_O 22:35:47 <Bjarni> oh, for a moment, I thought you were in love with a prostitute and I was only joking 22:35:56 <Sacro> i never said she was... i just said they work till 3am 22:36:09 <Sacro> or...at least... i assume they do... 22:36:39 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: You should know about assumption. 22:36:42 <jez> geez 22:37:01 <Bjarni> when you start at uni, you will learn that in real life, there is no such bar :P 22:37:03 <Prof_Frink> It makes an ass out u and something called 'mption' 22:37:03 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: and judging by that statement, so do you 22:37:13 <Bjarni> or that it closes at 11 or something 22:37:17 <Prof_Frink> s/out/of/ 22:37:23 <Sacro> Bjarni: there is a bar, ive been there a few times 22:37:55 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: you still need the out 22:38:23 <Prof_Frink> Meh, maybe. Works either way - but not the way I initially said it. 22:38:27 <Bjarni> so Sacro wants to fuck a bartender 22:38:39 <Sacro> :o thats a bit... terse 22:39:22 <Sacro> as well as vulgar 22:39:32 <jez> Bjarni is vulgar 22:39:34 <Prof_Frink> and truthful 22:39:37 <jez> how long have you been here? 22:39:49 <Bjarni> Sacro: lesbian 22:39:55 <jez> sigh 22:40:00 <Sacro> LESBIANS :D 22:40:08 <Bjarni> he always react that way 22:40:10 <Sacro> Bjarni: you cant have just the one 22:40:13 <jez> when i first came in here i thought this was a semi-serious channel about OpenTTD 22:40:14 <jez> oh well 22:40:14 *** Guest56 [Gono@N729P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:40:22 <Sacro> 2 is a let down... 7 is impressive 22:40:23 <Bjarni> it is 22:40:27 <jez> no 22:40:29 <jez> it isnt 22:40:30 <jez> :-) 22:40:32 <Sacro> jez: it is semi serious 22:40:35 <rysh> :] 22:40:39 <jez> no it's not at all serious 22:40:55 <Bjarni> it's pseudo serious 22:41:06 <Prof_Frink> jez: recompile oftc with the --openttd-serious flag 22:41:11 <jez> how do you become a 'developer' anyway 22:41:21 <jez> i think i should be one, i know enough about openttd :-) 22:41:31 <Prof_Frink> jez: bribery. 22:41:35 <Sacro> or sex... 22:41:37 <Bjarni> yeah 22:41:40 <Bjarni> ... 22:41:42 <jez> sure, i'll do sex 22:41:49 <jez> where're the hot female developers? 22:41:50 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [bad timing] 22:41:52 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: I never specified what sort of bribery ;) 22:41:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:41:59 <Sacro> haha 22:42:04 * Sacro heads to qdb 22:42:11 <Sacro> ooh wait... im already there :) 22:42:35 <Bjarni> <jez> where're the hot female developers? <-- get us some and I will tell you 22:42:47 <Bjarni> right now it's sort of a NULL pointer thing :( 22:42:53 <jez> oh wait 22:42:59 <jez> i meant ... I'M a hot female 22:43:03 <jez> can i be a developer? 22:43:05 <jez> huh? 22:43:10 <Sacro> jez: show us proof 22:43:12 <jez> did i forget to mention that? 22:43:16 <jez> like pics? 22:43:19 <Bjarni> yeah 22:43:25 <Bjarni> turn on your webcam 22:43:30 <jez> nah 22:43:32 <jez> they dont work over irc 22:44:26 <Bjarni> hmm 22:44:32 <Bjarni> where is that patch? 22:44:40 <Bjarni> it should be on bugs.openttd.org 22:44:48 <Bjarni> or we will miss it 22:45:08 <jez> hmm 22:45:14 <jez> i posted it on tt-forums first for testing 22:45:18 <Bjarni> rule 1: we tend to miss stuff on the forum, so don't expect us to read it. Put it on flyspray if you really want us to read it 22:45:41 <Bjarni> also I want you to make an account and see what you write in "real name" ;) 22:46:04 <Sacro> haha 22:46:05 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Did you qdb me on itlapd? or was that Bjarni? 22:46:05 *** neo_dvd_saw2 [~Neonox@ip-80-226-149-227.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: muss wech] 22:46:12 * Sacro coughs http://www.qdb.us/67784 22:46:20 <Sacro> itlapd? 22:46:41 <Sacro> oops... just put fronk instead of frink! 22:46:52 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: oipenttd? 22:47:00 <Bjarni> Comment: #oipenttd @ irc.oftc.net <-- I don't know that channel :P 22:47:04 <Sacro> BAH 22:47:14 <Sacro> cant bloomin spell 22:47:16 <Sacro> D: 22:47:28 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N834P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:47 <Bjarni> it's really bad 22:47:47 <Prof_Frink> Isn't the 'kicked from #openttd' obvious enough? 22:48:03 <Bjarni> since it fails to tell who "you" are 22:48:17 <Bjarni> we know, but imagine somebody reading this, who don't know Sacro 22:48:32 <Bjarni> also the ... line is important 22:48:33 <Sacro> Bjarni: note that what i type has <<Sacro>> 22:48:34 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 22:48:34 <Prof_Frink> the <<>> around him might clue people 22:48:51 <Bjarni> I didn't notice that 22:48:54 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 22:48:54 <Bjarni> !logs 22:49:18 * Sacro drops a log on Bjarni 22:50:14 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [not only did you try to do something incredibly stupid, you also got the worst aim possible] 22:50:44 <XeryusTC> :o 22:50:50 <jez> Bjarni: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/351 22:50:53 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:50:56 <Sacro> ow :( 22:51:11 <Sacro> though i am the most kicked person from this channel! 22:51:30 <XeryusTC> heh, note the first sentence in jez's post :) 22:51:47 <XeryusTC> Sacro: because you are the only one that has ever been kicked? 22:51:59 <Bjarni> not true 22:52:19 <Bjarni> Darkvater fancy kicking me once in a while for no reason whatsoever 22:52:30 <Sacro> nope, JohnUK89 has been kicked a fair few times 22:52:32 <XeryusTC> gah, i was semi-joking 22:52:35 <XeryusTC> !stats 22:52:35 <_42_> XeryusTC: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 22:53:00 <Sacro> XeryusTC: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/stats 22:53:22 <XeryusTC> i like 42's logs more :) 22:53:29 <jez> Why am I unable to modify Progress for my own patch? some tracker system. 22:53:36 <Bjarni> "and i might be being ignored :(" <-- nice quote from Sacro :P 22:53:54 <XeryusTC> :D 22:54:02 <ln-> Bjarni: you don't happen to have a lot of experience with Xcode, do you? 22:54:11 <Sacro> DarkSSH is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 37 times. 22:54:11 <Sacro> For example, like this: 22:54:11 <Sacro> * Darkvater slaps Bjarni 22:54:17 *** rysh [rysh@emm250.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:20 <Sacro> Poor Bjarni, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 19 times. 22:54:20 <Sacro> For example, like this: 22:54:20 <Sacro> * Darkvater slaps Bjarni 22:54:24 <Sacro> rofl 22:54:26 <Bjarni> Is AlexFili stupid or just asking too many questions? 38.8% lines contained a question! <-- hahaha, even the bot can pick him up as stupid :D 22:54:27 <Born_Acorn> SpComb's logs are more complete than 42's 22:54:43 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: yes, SpComb's continued from freenode 22:54:55 <XeryusTC> im off to bed 22:55:02 <XeryusTC> cya guys 22:55:06 <XeryusTC> and good night 22:55:06 <Sacro> night XeryusTC 22:55:13 <Prof_Frink> But SpComb has me as Prof_Fri1k, which is silly 22:55:21 <Prof_Frink> Ergo, SpComb is silly. 22:55:31 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 22:55:35 <Bjarni> AlexFili, the guy, who spent two hours figuring out that he needed to use the header files from his precompiled SDL library 22:55:48 <jez> gEbaVfNsHpxvatNffubyr 22:56:00 <jez> oops 22:56:01 <jez> damn 22:56:07 <Bjarni> and when he realised he should use it, he PMed me asking what to do with them 22:56:10 <jez> just messing about with the keyboard 22:56:29 <Sacro> jez: so thats not your uber secure password? 22:56:31 <Bjarni> jez: debugging your keyboard? 22:56:35 <jez> erm yeah 22:56:57 <jez> sHpxHgEbaLbhShpxvatcVrprBsFuvg 22:56:58 <jez> argh 22:57:00 <jez> sorry 22:57:02 <jez> stupid thing 22:57:17 <Prof_Frink> /exec -o cat /dev/urandom 22:57:22 <Born_Acorn> It's just another language! 22:57:22 <Bjarni> at one time, some giant bug decided to attack my computer and flew into the monitor several times 22:57:33 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:57:34 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: looks like welsh 22:57:43 <Bjarni> I actually had to chase it to make it stop 22:57:45 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Nah, not enough Ls 22:57:52 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: haha 22:57:53 <jez> i think it might be a rotated welsh 22:58:17 * Sacro wonders what md5'd welsh is like 22:58:27 <Born_Acorn> Sacro, probably is. 22:58:30 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: exactly the same 22:58:46 <Bjarni> at one time I saw a chat and asked what language it was because it didn't make any sense, then a /me said "turns encryption off" 22:58:48 <Sacro> i wonder if there is a set of chars, that when you md5 it, it stays the same 22:58:56 <Bjarni> now that's good in a public channel 22:59:03 *** rysh [rysh@emm250.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 22:59:21 <jez> heh 22:59:30 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: I dunno, write something that just md5's itself and leave it running 22:59:45 <Sacro> ive encryted in here before 22:59:45 <Sacro> i sha1'd my messages! 22:59:45 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: ooh yeah, see how long before it loops 22:59:59 <Sacro> qfh: When the game will be released? 22:59:59 <Sacro> A1win^: The release of the game is scheduled for 2005. 23:00:05 <Sacro> :| 23:00:15 <Sacro> how is tab completion working on a paste >< 23:00:21 <Prof_Frink> Hmm, longe loops would cause it to break 23:00:38 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 23:00:42 <jez> sigh 23:00:48 <jez> the game is no fun to play on the latest nightly. 23:00:53 <jez> the AI is so broken it's useless 23:00:54 <Sacro> why not? 23:00:57 <jez> and as for multiplayer, heh 23:00:58 <jez> no chance 23:01:04 * Prof_Frink detachiert. 23:01:05 <Sacro> ooh, lets all descend on peter1138's nightly UKRS server :D 23:01:14 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: C_a d ? 23:04:43 <jez> it's annoying. 23:04:57 <jez> the credits always thank a bunch of people, thank you so much to A, B, C 23:05:19 <jez> of course, they're the lucky bastards that have commit access. those who work on patches and don't have that get no thanks 23:05:26 <Sacro> jez: thats true... 23:05:27 <Bjarni> why do you call me "A, B, C"? 23:05:33 <Sacro> i want my credits on MiniIN 23:05:54 <Bjarni> Sacro: you want more credit? 23:06:05 <Bjarni> the bank already gave you enough credit :P 23:06:12 <Sacro> that'd be Alltaken, Bjarni, Celestar, Darkvator, egladil, errm... 23:06:25 <Sacro> ...Frostregen 23:06:39 <Sacro> i wonder... we need enough devs to fill the alphabet! 23:07:02 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:08 *** Bjarni is now known as X 23:07:18 <jez> im going to be 23:07:19 <jez> d 23:07:35 <jez> FUCK the new livery dialog. FUCK it. bye 23:07:36 <Sacro> :o A GIRL... ON IRC 23:07:42 *** jez [jinx@client-81-107-203-108.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [] 23:07:47 <Sacro> jez? 23:08:00 <X> o_O 23:08:05 <X> what just happened? 23:08:13 *** X is now known as O 23:08:39 <O> maybe he got scared or something 23:08:39 <Sacro> [00:08] * Ø :Erroneous Nickname 23:08:42 <Sacro> thats no fun 23:10:19 *** O is now known as _ 23:10:29 *** Sacro is now known as Bjarni 23:10:31 <Bjarni> hahah 23:10:35 <Bjarni> w00t 23:11:09 *** Bjarni [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by _))] 23:11:14 *** _ is now known as Bjarni 23:11:34 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:11:40 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 23:12:50 <Sacro> :( 23:14:41 <Born_Acorn> ownerated. 23:14:59 *** Ben_123 [~Ben_Robbi@91.84.37.128] has joined #openttd 23:14:59 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: yes 23:15:12 <Sacro> wish people wouldnt use my real name on IRC, it confuses me 23:15:31 <Ben_123> hi 23:15:35 <Born_Acorn> Hey there Ben_Robbins_ 23:15:39 <Sacro> hey Ben_123 23:16:31 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 23:19:43 <Ben_123> what do you people use for this irc stuff? cause the program i got the other day seems to need registering, so ive got my date set back at the moment 23:19:47 <Ben_123> does everyone pay for this? 23:19:57 <Sacro> nope 23:20:01 <Sacro> what OS? 23:20:06 <Ben_123> windows 23:20:31 <Sacro> HydraIRC, X-Chat (silvrex) 23:20:54 *** mikk36[EST] [mikk36@pc183.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:19 <Ben_123> are they 3 different programs? 23:21:31 <Sacro> HydraIRC is one 23:21:49 <Sacro> and then X-Chat is another, but you want the silvrex one, as the official version isnt free 23:21:53 <Ben_123> ok, cheers, I'll look for them 23:21:54 <Sacro> even though its GPL 23:22:00 <Sacro> *silverex 23:23:36 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc183.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 23:24:31 <Born_Acorn> I paid the registration for mIRC. I used it long enough, so I thought "what the hell?" 23:25:19 <Sacro> i dont use it 23:25:25 <Sacro> i prefer HydraIRC 23:26:20 <Born_Acorn> I hate all IRC programs that advertise themselves in /quit messages. :p 23:26:37 <Sacro> hehe 23:27:02 <Sacro> i might rent my quit message as advertising space 23:29:31 <Sacro> ooh, we should distribute OpenTTD via metalink 23:29:56 *** Guest56 [Gono@N865P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:30:00 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N729P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:30:36 *** MartinL [~Martin_Re@dslb-082-083-085-005.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:32:53 <Sacro> ack, i need a wee *runs* 23:33:41 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:24 *** MartinL [~Martin_Re@dslb-082-083-085-005.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 23:36:17 <Ben_123> runs? on what? 23:38:17 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 23:40:35 <Sacro> Ben_123: pepsi 23:42:48 <Kjetil> Ben_123: netbsd.. it runs on everything 23:43:41 <ln-> eh, what's the point of being able to switch colors of everything separately? 23:43:52 <Sacro> ln-: its prettiful 23:44:20 <Ben_123> kjetil: cheers. I'll check out these other programs next time im on 23:44:21 <Born_Acorn> So you can personalise your Company more. 23:44:54 <Sacro> Ben_123: *bsd is an OS, not an IRC client :p 23:45:26 <Ben_123> ooh...dont need an OS 23:47:15 <Ben_123> wow cool, just watching some michal palin, and in british columbia he just flags down a train and hops on 23:47:20 <Ben_123> that would be sweet 23:52:21 <Sacro> HACK THE PLANET!!! 23:55:00 <Born_Acorn> Like in New York where you yell "Taxi" 23:55:03 <Born_Acorn> but with Trains! 23:55:18 <Sacro> heh, stand and shout SUBWAY 23:55:28 <Born_Acorn> If you tried to do that here, you'd get arrested for playing on the railways. 23:55:30 <Sacro> and a sandwich shop pulls up next to you 23:55:45 <Born_Acorn> The council then starts a "do not play on railway lines" campaign as a result. 23:55:46 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: there are stations in lincolnshire where you have to stick your arm out for the train to stop 23:56:00 <Born_Acorn> Yeah, but I mean anywhere. 23:56:12 <Sacro> ahh 23:56:14 <Sacro> id love that 23:56:16 <Born_Acorn> Like on the track at the eend of the garden. 23:56:21 <Sacro> yep 23:56:26 * Born_Acorn has no track at the end of his garden 23:56:28 <Sacro> it'd be a 1/2 mile walk to the level crossing 23:56:31 <Ben_123> it would be cool, but realisticall the population is to large 23:56:34 <Sacro> and then get off out the back of the college 23:56:41 <Ben_123> trains wouldnt get very far without stopping again 23:57:09 <Sacro> true 23:57:14 <Sacro> well they just slow down then 23:57:23 <Ben_123> yeah, just hop on 23:57:35 <Ben_123> health and safety would be crying though 23:57:54 <Sacro> true 23:57:56 <Sacro> but let em 23:58:11 *** Spoco [~Spoco@hoas-fe10dd00-131.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> what use is sticking out your hand, when the train has a breaking distance of 2km? 23:58:37 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: it slows right down for the stations 23:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i wonder if our tramway laws permit hopping on while driving