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00:00:22 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 00:00:45 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@ppp85-140-206-186.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 00:00:53 <Bjarni> oh this reminds me. When leaving Copenhagen central station towards north, there are 2 tracks each way, so in the steam era, they started two similar steam trains at the same time each hour and they raced against each other to be the first to reach the next station 00:01:25 <Bjarni> officially that didn't happen, but for some reason, they tended to accelerate faster there than elsewhere 00:02:05 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:01 <ln-> and that wouldn't be possible in openttd. 00:03:08 <Bjarni> racing like that is not a good idea 00:03:23 <Bjarni> specially not with steam trains in a tunnel :p 00:04:03 <Sacro> heh, ive had races on it before 00:05:50 <Bjarni> in tunnels? 00:06:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-206-186.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:17 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 00:07:04 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJuNvmQHQPk&NR <-- wow, nicely done 00:09:02 <ln-> "Tom" and not Thomas? 00:09:28 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has left #openttd [] 00:09:37 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 00:09:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 00:10:00 <ln-> ok, i see the reason.. 00:10:11 <Sacro> ln-: its thomas 00:11:43 <ln-> this is some amateur version 00:11:52 <Sacro> lol 00:12:44 <ln-> the real series was (sometimes) narrated by ringo starr. 00:13:38 <Sacro> ln-: always 00:13:42 <Sacro> well, the original 00:13:43 <Sacro> s 00:14:16 <ln-> not always 00:14:34 <Sacro> :D count duckula 00:18:33 <Bjarni> oh btw did you hear that yourtube had to remove a video? 00:18:41 <ln-> "a" video? 00:18:49 <ln-> i heard it removed 30 thousand videos. 00:19:15 <Bjarni> some in Disneyworld in Paris in costumes pretended to have sex and now they are all fired 00:19:37 <Bjarni> ever seen Minnie wanting Goofy, well you could have seen it before it was removed o_O 00:20:30 <Sacro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1MZkdfropM :o 00:20:34 <Sacro> MONSTER MUNCH 00:24:26 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWpK8OZp2vo&mode=related&search= <-- awesome 00:26:01 <Sacro> Bjarni: heh, it was a fantastic show 00:26:41 <Bjarni> slippery rails is a real problem 00:26:57 <Bjarni> and countless bumpers have been bumped that way 00:28:14 <Sacro> yup 00:28:54 <Sacro> night all 00:35:37 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-62.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-206-186.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:56:36 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:00:41 *** lws|1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:00:57 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B3756D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:06:27 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3764B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:20:18 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:27:17 <CIA-1> glx * r6913 /branches/MiniIN/vehicle.c: [MiniIN] -Fix r6684: removed warnings 01:32:53 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 01:32:53 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:46 *** amix [~AmiXoamip@202.80-203-43.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:12:04 <CIA-1> belugas * r6914 /branches/MiniIN/ (copy_paste_gui.c subsidiaries_gui.c): [miniIN] -Codechange: make copy_paste_gui.c and subsidiaries_gui.c disable_state free 02:31:04 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B755F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75E62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:44:12 <CIA-1> rubidium * r6915 /branches/MiniIN/copy_paste_gui.c: [MiniIN] -Fix (6914): fix compilation errors in the copy-paste GUI 02:56:44 <CIA-1> glx * r6916 /branches/MiniIN/ (copy_paste_gui.c subsidiaries_gui.c): [MiniIN] -Codechange: make copy_paste_gui.c and subsidiaries_gui.c click_state free 03:04:51 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 03:05:58 <CIA-1> rubidium * r6917 /branches/MiniIN/copy_paste_gui.c: [MiniIN]: [CopyPasteGui] -Fix: raise the mirror/rotate buttons on timeout 03:23:55 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:24:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> what's with all the MiniIN action suddenly? 03:25:28 <glx> just some work to continue the sync :) 03:26:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, but no action in months, and suddenly there are 5 people commiting? 03:26:55 <glx> richk started the sync and ask us to help him with the new widget stuff 03:27:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, i can imagine that this is a major conflict :) 03:28:37 <glx> anyway I'm going to sleep 03:28:40 <glx> good night 03:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah. it's 5:30 here ;) 03:29:11 <glx> yep ;) 03:29:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> i should be sleeping, too ;) 03:29:40 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:30:45 <CIA-1> rubidium * r6918 /branches/MiniIN/lang/unfinished/ (7 files): [MiniIN] -Fix: the unfinished language files were broken during some synchronizations 03:38:39 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:51:48 <CIA-1> rubidium * r6919 /branches/MiniIN/ (14 files in 3 dirs): [MiniIN]: -Sync with trunk r6660:6677 04:02:33 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 04:08:27 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:16:02 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:16:56 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B755F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:17:05 <Tobin> Avast! 04:17:13 <Tobin> What's new people? 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07:07:52 <Brianetta> That's the most annoying thing int he world? 07:08:07 <Brianetta> What the hell was I getting all worked up about this weekend? 07:09:19 <Sionide> ok ok 07:09:24 <Sionide> the most annoying thing right now 07:10:57 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6920 /trunk/ (train_gui.c vehicle_gui.c): - Codechange: Ignore refit options of an engine if it has no capacity. 07:17:58 <LSky`> Brianetta , has there been an update 07:18:18 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2F303.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:18:36 <Brianetta> No, but you were asking me about stuff yesterday and I didn't know if you'd seen the link 07:18:56 <LSky`> it works now, aside from the IRC bot not joining the channel automatically 07:20:48 <Brianetta> It makes the attempt, I assure you 07:21:02 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2E124.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:11 <LSky`> Of course, but it doesn't succeed for some reason 07:21:22 <LSky`> the channel isn't secret, nor passworded 07:22:46 <LSky`> so about these nightly builds, which is currently the best one to use? 07:22:54 <Celestar> morning 07:23:06 <LSky`> i cant get any to work decently after r6500 07:23:11 <LSky`> morning Celestar 07:23:37 <Tron_> *yawn*ing 07:25:24 <peter1138> note, nightly build != MiniIN 07:25:36 <LSky`> yea i noticed that 07:25:48 <LSky`> but ive tried r6907 and r6864 miniIN 07:25:55 <LSky`> both crashed when ever i clicked a depot =( 07:26:10 <LSky`> even when i turned off all NewGRFs 07:26:37 <Brianetta> Regular nightlies are good 07:28:01 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 07:29:02 <LSky`> it still says: error loading sprite #5991 07:29:10 <LSky`> in r6907 07:29:30 <LSky`> #5990 even 07:30:40 <Tron_> you have to use _all_the_files_in_the_packacke_ not just the executable alone 07:30:50 <Tron_> s/cke/ge/ 07:33:18 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 07:33:27 * DaleStan wonders when he grew a tail 07:33:50 <LSky`> you mean it has to be compiled first Tron_ ? 07:33:59 <Tron_> no 07:34:11 <Tron_> there are several datafiles in the package along with the executable 07:34:21 <Tron_> you have to copy them all 07:34:22 <Prof_Frink> DaleStan: when you forgot to /script load keepnick.pl 07:34:26 <Tron_> not just the executable alone 07:34:32 <roboboy> when you download the nightly you have to put them all in your openttd folder 07:34:34 <LSky`> in the win32 zipfile? 07:34:39 <Tron_> they are all in this file for a reason 07:34:51 <roboboy> yep 07:34:55 <DaleStan> But I can't forget that; its in my connect script. 07:34:59 <Tron_> just like "readmes", they are named like this for a reason, too 07:35:03 <LSky`> i just create a new OpenTTD folder, extract the zip file and put the original data files into it 07:35:23 <DaleStan> Problem is, it's also loaded for Quakenet, and XChat thinks running it once is sufficient. 07:35:35 <roboboy> when you download openttd, just unzip it to the openttd folder 07:35:47 <Tron_> LSky`: i bet you used an old openttd.grf 07:35:54 <LSky`> possibly 07:36:08 <LSky`> well 07:36:09 <roboboy> unzip the whole folder to the folder 07:36:10 <LSky`> no 07:36:14 <LSky`> i did that 07:36:24 <LSky`> the grf file is dated last night 07:36:35 <roboboy> aswell as the other files and folders 07:36:38 <LSky`> of course 07:36:40 <Prof_Frink> Tron_: Have you seen mb's reverse-psychology readmes? 07:36:48 <LSky`> why would I only extract a few files 07:36:54 <LSky`> that doesnt make sense 07:37:36 <LSky`> ah i think what the problem is/was 07:37:58 <LSky`> last time, i first extracted the r6907 zip file and added the original data afterwards 07:38:04 <LSky`> now i did it the other way around 07:38:11 <LSky`> it works now =) 07:38:37 <Tron_> so you overwrote the new data files with old ones 07:38:49 <LSky`> indeed 07:38:54 <LSky`> that doesnt work of course :D 07:39:33 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 07:39:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 07:39:43 <Tron_> peter1138/Darkvater: feature request: MD5 sums of the included grfs and abort if it doesn't match 07:40:34 <Prof_Frink> Tron_: s/abort/warn/ 07:40:39 <Tron_> NO 07:40:42 <Tron_> abort 07:40:46 <Tron_> no questions asked 07:40:48 <Tron_> just bail out 07:40:58 <Prof_Frink> What if I want to have English as a lanuage option? 07:41:08 <Tron_> pardon? 07:42:02 <Tron_> you know, that english is one of the many languages OpenTTD supports? 07:42:39 <Prof_Frink> No, in multiplayer it's called 'American' 07:42:52 <Tron_> there's american and english 07:44:00 <Celestar> Tron_: one of my grfs is "invalid" for whatever reason 07:44:02 <Prof_Frink> Oh, you changed the flag? 07:44:03 <LSky`> American lol 07:44:23 <Tron_> Celestar: it's trgirw.grf and i can tell you why, but that's no included grf 07:44:29 <Tron_> s/w/ 07:44:32 <Celestar> Tron_: oh right 07:44:37 <Celestar> Tron_: tell me why then :) 07:45:26 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 07:48:08 <peter1138> Tron_: you mean the original grfs, not not newgrfs, yes? 07:48:26 <Tron_> "the included grfs" 07:48:57 <peter1138> oh, yes 07:48:59 <peter1138> hmm 07:49:05 <Celestar> the ones that are in the svn repo 07:49:08 <peter1138> right 07:49:13 <peter1138> hang on 07:49:19 <peter1138> we have md5 sums... 07:49:23 <peter1138> but only the original grfs? 07:50:27 <peter1138> hmm 07:50:28 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:50:28 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 07:50:36 <peter1138> we check nsignalsw.grf only o_O 07:50:49 <peter1138> btw, i was wondering about bunging all the extras into just openttd.grf 07:52:01 <peter1138> *sigh* 07:52:10 <peter1138> my desk is covered in paper :( 07:53:02 <LSky`> my desk is covered with everything lol 07:53:28 <LSky`> camera, dvds, loads of paper, books, magazines, =( 07:53:43 <LSky`> pieces of computers :\ 07:54:21 <peter1138> this is my desk at work 07:54:43 * Prof_Frink is playing spot-the-difference 07:55:09 <roboboy> the other week i couldnt see the top of my desk, it was that messy 07:55:22 <roboboy> i had bits of school work all over it 07:55:50 <Prof_Frink> roboboy: I have deployed a mousemat to reserve a space for the rodent 08:04:32 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:11:55 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:20:59 <Celestar> "every horizontal surface is covered in shit over time" 08:21:07 <Celestar> 2nd rule of offices 08:22:59 <peter1138> $ ./openttd 08:22:59 <peter1138> Error: Your trkfoundw.grf file is corrupted or missing 08:22:59 <peter1138> openttd: openttd.c:86: error: Assertion `0' failed. 08:22:59 <peter1138> Aborted 08:23:22 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:23:45 <peter1138> i'm going to assume my versions are correct, what with svn not complaining ;p 08:27:11 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C9F1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:33:01 <peter1138> Prof_Frink: if it's just to replace the flag, you can make up a newgrf with an action a ;) 08:33:37 <Prof_Frink> Well, GRDtoGRF should have done that, but it replaced the 'w' instead 08:33:40 <peter1138> so why is Celestar's trgir.grf wrong? 08:33:49 <peter1138> ? 08:34:10 <peter1138> oh 08:34:26 <peter1138> that's because openttd.grf is mapped internally 08:35:51 <peter1138> even it if wasn't, it doesn't start at 0, which grdtogrf appears to assume 08:38:01 <Darkvater> morning 08:38:11 <peter1138> hello dv 08:38:33 <peter1138> well, it is at http://fuzzle.org/o/checkfiles.diff 08:40:22 <Darkvater> Tron_: you mean the grf files in svn I presume? 08:40:38 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 08:40:52 <Tron_> "included" must be a really exotic word 08:41:13 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 08:41:23 <Darkvater> I am not so sure about that though. You would be free to change stuff in it. My trgr1.grf is also invalid cause I changed the fonts 08:41:24 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-80.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:41:27 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 08:41:42 <Tron_> Darkvater: INCLUDED, anyone? 08:41:50 <Tron_> do we deliver trgr1.grf? 08:41:55 <Darkvater> I know what you mean 08:41:56 <LSky`> rofl Tron_ 08:42:11 <Darkvater> someone might want to put different gfx into airports.grf 08:42:42 <Tron_> i prefer covering the 99,9% case, not the 0.01% 08:42:50 <Tron_> and the 99,9% case is people using stale files 08:43:49 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-80.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:43:55 <Darkvater> did we start getting bugreports en-masse about this or what? 08:44:02 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:44:22 <Tron_> i've seen quite some people here having this PEBKAC 08:44:35 <Tron_> and it appears quite regularily on the forums 08:44:57 <peter1138> indeed. add something to openttd.grf and they go and overwrite it 08:45:01 <peter1138> boom 08:45:15 <Darkvater> the world is full of idiots :s 08:45:30 <Darkvater> well we could enforce it if we really want 08:45:34 <peter1138> if someone wants to replace stuff, they can do it the normal way 08:45:39 <Tron_> you got this insight after how long? 25 years? 08:45:49 <peter1138> then if they decide they still want to ... 08:48:29 <Darkvater> I think a warning might be better, ingame even and not so drastic as an error 08:48:29 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55:59 <peter1138> tum te tum 08:56:49 <peter1138> hmm 08:56:53 <peter1138> i should've had breakfast 08:57:57 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:57 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:00:45 * Prof_Frink shold've had *more* breakfast 09:07:27 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:08:58 <LSky`> damn where did Brianetta go 09:17:34 <scia> to work? 09:18:06 <peter1138> *sigh* 09:18:13 <peter1138> bloody people want work done ;( 09:18:23 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:18:30 <SpComb> hmm, life is tough like that sometimes 09:18:40 <scia> I want my work done too 09:18:53 <peter1138> yes 09:18:55 <scia> but no-one wants to do my work :( 09:19:15 <scia> ;P 09:20:14 <SpComb> I have some stuff of my own that I want to get done, but everyone else wants me to work on something else :( 09:24:24 <scia> called homework? 09:25:30 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5D2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:11 <peter1138> Dim myFunctions As stuff = New stuff 09:28:14 <peter1138> quality code :( 09:28:32 <Darkvater> haha 09:28:35 <Darkvater> lookin' good 09:28:46 <peter1138> yes, the class is actually called 'stuff' 09:29:37 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: MaulingMonkey_iBook] 09:30:53 <Darkvater> nicely descriptive name 09:31:32 <peter1138> so anyone fancy doing this 'multiple desktops' stuff? 09:31:46 <peter1138> just need a few more window arrays ;) 09:32:22 <peter1138> and a few less globals, of course 09:32:26 <Darkvater> just run four copies of openttd, 1 server, 3 clients and all in the same company ^^ 09:32:30 <peter1138> :D 09:32:57 <peter1138> lets add minimize and maximize 09:33:03 <peter1138> and a web browser + irc client 09:33:11 <peter1138> hmm 09:33:16 <Darkvater> mail client 09:33:18 <Darkvater> online banking 09:33:27 <peter1138> hmm, a console in ttd's font :D 09:33:28 <Darkvater> instant pizza-order 09:33:47 <peter1138> that just needs to be an icon at the top ;) 09:33:55 <Darkvater> haha 09:34:00 <Darkvater> we really need banners 09:34:05 <peter1138> yeah 09:34:06 <Darkvater> OMG 09:34:18 <Darkvater> I just have the most genius idea for ingame advertising in openttd :) 09:34:26 <Darkvater> we should use the newspapers for that 09:34:38 <Darkvater> pretty obvious he, but still... 09:34:40 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-149-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:02 <peter1138> 8 bpp flash animation adverts 09:35:06 <Darkvater> a paper pops up not saying 'bla farm increases production' but. 'enlarge your penis now!' 09:35:07 <peter1138> get that monkey 09:35:29 * Darkvater gets on coding it right away 09:36:17 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:36 <Tron_> i think you can simplify the encoding of signals and road works in a transparent way, i.e. without changing the savegame version 09:44:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:47:28 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:50:18 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.openttd.org/openttd_ingame_adverts.png 09:50:21 <Darkvater> that wasn't so hard 09:53:35 <peter1138> lol 09:57:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:59:08 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Adverts = win 10:02:19 * scia wonders if there are ottd player who really need such a pill :p 10:04:30 * DaleStan considers posting this new feature to the forums :twisted: 10:05:37 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:39 <Darkvater> I am not sure if we should take the viagra-way, but they do pay the most 10:06:43 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:21 <Darkvater> Tron_: would that save bis? 10:07:23 <Darkvater> bits even 10:07:58 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:08:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:09:39 <hylje> for thing in stuff: 10:09:45 <peter1138> ok, i'll add this grf md5 check as a warning for now 10:09:52 <peter1138> it'll give something to go on, at least 10:11:43 <peter1138> hmm 10:11:49 <Darkvater> ? 10:11:51 <peter1138> invisible's idea of bookmarks isn't so bad 10:12:56 <peter1138> agh 10:13:02 <hylje> google ads 10:13:19 <peter1138> hmm 10:13:29 <peter1138> what would doing an md5sum come under? 10:13:34 <peter1138> feature? fix? codechange? :p 10:13:46 <Darkvater> user-stupidity 10:13:48 <hylje> fix 10:14:06 <Darkvater> it's not a fix because it wasn't broken in the first place 10:14:22 <DaleStan> PEBKAC fix, then. 10:14:34 <hylje> everything is broken. now its a bit less broken 10:14:54 <peter1138> - PEBKAC: 10:14:56 <peter1138> ;) 10:15:29 <hylje> :> 10:16:06 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6921 /trunk/ (gfxinit.c table/files.h): - PEBKAC: Add an MD5 sum check of our own data files, and warn if they don't match. 10:16:10 <peter1138> ;p 10:17:05 <scia> is it even legal to include ads in a game which uses the graphics of the original TTD? 10:20:38 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-205-102.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 10:24:05 <peter1138> is it relevant? 10:37:20 *** mucht_ [~mucht@p57A0EA90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:36 *** mucht_ [~mucht@p57A0EA90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:44:08 <Brianetta> scia: The legality of OpenTTD is unproven, with or without adverts. 10:48:46 <scia> that true I suppose ;p 10:48:55 * scia is off to school :< 10:49:02 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:56:52 <peter1138> *sigh* 10:57:09 <peter1138> stupid cocks storing boolean values as varchar(50)s 10:57:17 <peter1138> with True or False as the value 10:57:50 <Darkvater> lolol 10:57:55 <Darkvater> and those people are professionals :) 10:58:02 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:41 <DaleStan> wiki down? 10:59:38 <peter1138> sometimes it's "Yes" or "No" 10:59:43 <peter1138> DaleStan: looks like it 11:03:11 <Celestar> peter1138: Fortran? 11:03:51 <Celestar> wtf is a varchar 11:04:01 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:04:15 <Darkvater> Celestar: database 11:04:19 <blathijs> varchar is mysql stuff :-) 11:04:29 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [] 11:04:29 <Darkvater> Celestar: a string with a maximum length of 50 characters. like a char[50] 11:04:36 <Darkvater> but not exactly 11:04:37 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 11:04:42 <Celestar> uh huh 11:04:44 <Celestar> ROFL 11:04:52 <blathijs> peter1138: There isn't a real bool type in sql, afaik? 11:05:06 <Celestar> well but a simple integer would do 11:05:10 <XeryusTC> blathijs: int (1) 11:05:19 <Celestar> isn't that a 1-BYTE int? 11:05:22 <peter1138> depends on the implementation 11:05:28 <XeryusTC> no, 1 digit int IIRC 11:05:30 <Celestar> ok 11:05:31 <peter1138> but a 1 byte numeric is better than a string 11:05:37 * Celestar seems to have coded too much fortran 11:05:47 <peter1138> postgresql has bool 11:05:51 <peter1138> ms sql has bit 11:05:55 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 11:05:56 <peter1138> dunno about mysql 11:05:59 <blathijs> XeryusTC: 1 bit or one decimal digit? 11:06:02 <peter1138> bit can store only 0 or 1 11:06:05 <peter1138> perfect for this 11:06:13 <XeryusTC> blathijs: one decimal digit 11:06:16 <Darkvater> mysql has boolean 11:06:16 <XeryusTC> so 0-9 11:06:24 <Darkvater> they call it a tinyint(1) 11:06:27 <blathijs> wtf, how is int stored then, you'd wonder 11:06:36 <Noldo> bcd 11:06:38 <XeryusTC> yeah 11:06:39 <peter1138> who cares about mysql? it sucks anyway 11:06:47 * Celestar wishes the good old days of assembly back sometimes 11:06:50 <XeryusTC> Darkvater: tinyint = int(3) 11:07:15 <Darkvater> tinyint(1) 11:07:24 <XeryusTC> will be int(1) 11:07:41 <Darkvater> that is what I said 11:07:48 <XeryusTC> yes 11:08:24 <Darkvater> so it's basically a byte masked as a boolean :) 11:08:25 <Tron_> Darkvater: in case of signals you code 01xxxxxx would be available and in case of roadworks you get 2 possible roadsides 11:08:56 <Tron_> Darkvater: it reduces duplicate data and therefore duplicate handling in code 11:09:35 <Darkvater> ah 11:09:43 <Tron_> Darkvater: the way the data is stored is up to the database, it may store multiple boolean values in one byte 11:11:24 <peter1138> Celestar: heh, bit harder to store "True" or "False" in assembly :) 11:11:49 <Celestar> mov ax, 11:11:54 <Celestar> or summin 11:13:44 <peter1138> if you really like assembly, there's always ttdpatch... 11:14:19 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:14:23 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 11:17:14 <Celestar> hm 11:17:51 <Celestar> load average: 2.66, 2.60, 2.27 11:17:52 <Celestar> Tasks: 218 total, 1 running, 217 sleeping, 11:18:11 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:19:37 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:22:08 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:33:07 *** amix [~AmiXoamip@202.80-203-43.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 11:36:21 * Brianetta i spondering designing a script that takes a POSTed newgrf file, extracts name and so forth from inside the header, and stores that, with the MD5 checksum of the file, in a database (discarding the newgrf file itself). 11:41:44 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:42:18 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43:12 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 11:43:39 <Ailure> Assembly is fun for simple hacks and programs. D: 11:44:13 <roboboy> gnight 11:46:37 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:38 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50:04 <smeding> assembly can be fun for crashing your computer too 11:50:11 <smeding> like i tend to use it for 11:50:16 <DaleStan> HCF anyone? 11:50:18 <smeding> although it's not an accident usually, just me being bored 11:50:23 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 11:51:42 <DaleStan> (and it's not entirely a joke. There are a few processors with instructions that can cause physical damage to to the processor and/or motherboard.) 11:53:12 <Brianetta> KUDr (: 11:53:20 <KUDr> ? 11:53:48 <Brianetta> (: 11:53:52 <smeding> DaleStan: awesome. like what? 11:53:55 * Brianetta repeats himself 11:54:43 <DaleStan> smeding: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/HCF.html 11:55:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:55:54 <Brianetta> I have yet to figure out why the context menu in X-Chat kills its ssh-tunnelled X connection occasionally. 11:57:00 <smeding> awesome. 11:57:54 <Brianetta> The Jargon File used to be the coolest resource on the net. Now it contains "blog." 11:58:27 <smeding> ;/ 11:59:49 <Brianetta> Some of us have been about long enough to have stood in an operational dinosaur pen 12:00:03 <smeding> hmm? 12:00:17 <Brianetta> and we remember the discovery of the bogon 12:00:18 <smeding> i've been around the internets far too short in my opinion. 12:00:49 <smeding> i tend to like the simple life of older computers, the demoscene and whatnot better than what the web is coming to 12:01:28 <Brianetta> I have a slide rule collection. I embrace the web too, but there are things I plain dislike. The word "podcast" is one. 12:01:29 <smeding> well, i do like the whole web2.0 idea, except the term and the hyping up of it. but it would seem nice to have been born earlier 12:01:41 <smeding> why's that, Brianetta? 12:01:53 <Brianetta> It's devoid of good etymology 12:02:10 <Brianetta> a portmanteau of iPod and broadcast 12:02:15 <smeding> yeah. 12:02:19 <Brianetta> when it's not anything-cast 12:02:21 <Brianetta> it's a recording 12:02:34 <smeding> some shows have live shoutcast streams :> 12:02:37 <Brianetta> People seem to think it's somehow a push technology 12:02:41 <smeding> though i guess that doesn't matter much. 12:02:42 <Brianetta> when it's a pull technology 12:02:46 <smeding> push technology? 12:02:53 <smeding> oh wait, i think i get it 12:03:05 <Brianetta> The "broadcaster" pushes, and everybody magically gets a copy 12:03:12 <smeding> yeah. that's what i though 12:03:13 <smeding> t 12:03:14 <Brianetta> well, every subscriber 12:03:42 <Brianetta> whereas what actually happens is the subscriber's PC periodically checks for a new recording, and goes and downloads it if there is one. 12:03:57 <Brianetta> Which sounds to me just like putting MP3s on a web site. 12:04:02 <Brianetta> podcast 12:04:02 <smeding> my PC only does part of that, i actually have to look through my RSS feed :> 12:04:03 <Brianetta> pah 12:04:35 <Brianetta> I remember when RSS was there just so that phpNuke website owners could pretend they had content - other phpNuke websites' headlines. 12:05:23 <smeding> heh. 12:05:38 <smeding> makes me feel young ;/ 12:06:25 <Brianetta> Makes *you* feel young? phpNuke is a new thing compared with what I grew up with 12:06:46 <Brianetta> When I was at uni, you needed to write CGI programs for interactive content of any kind 12:07:05 <smeding> yeah. 12:07:06 <Brianetta> Your browser was NSCA Mosaic or, er, well, that was it until Netscape came out. 12:07:21 <Brianetta> Most people still used Gopher, because there was more content! 12:07:38 <DaleStan> <Brianetta> I have a slide rule collection. <-- My dad has one too. I know how to use one, and have often borrowed one of his for various "no calculators allowed" exams. 12:07:51 <Brianetta> DaleStan: You rule bender (: 12:08:03 <Brianetta> My school classed them as calculators 12:08:15 <Brianetta> although I was the only one int he school who even knew what one was 12:08:19 <DaleStan> Mine did too, but it was fun to see the look on the teachers faces. 12:08:42 <mikk36> hey :) 12:08:43 <mikk36> ... /quit and /exit came into an irc channel. /exit left the room. who was left behind ? 12:08:58 <DaleStan> /quit, of course. 12:09:01 <Brianetta> My collection has high turnover. I tend to buy inexpensive articles, then give them as gifts 12:09:16 <Brianetta> /quit 12:09:22 <DaleStan> Though at least once it was "You want to use *what*? And you know *how*? Go right ahead, then." 12:09:26 <mikk36> grr :P 12:09:34 <mikk36> u think too much :D 12:09:43 <Brianetta> I have a brain 12:09:57 <Brianetta> it's always powered up 12:09:58 <mikk36> don't u use ur balls sometimes instead of it ? 12:10:02 <DaleStan> Or maybe we don't use / as our command character. 12:10:06 <Brianetta> it seems a shame to leave it idling 12:10:19 <Brianetta> mikk36: as well as, not instead 12:10:33 <mikk36> coop ? :P 12:12:17 <smeding> well, i would type //quit because i'm used to X-Chat but i'm in irssi, so i would've still quitted. 12:12:22 <smeding> quit even. 12:12:23 <smeding> i think... 12:12:37 <Brianetta> If you IRC using telnet, you don't have to worry about this stuff 12:13:42 <mikk36> IRC using telnet, isn't that a bit sick ? 12:13:49 <smeding> also, slide rules look cool. it's a brilliant idea, although i've never used one 12:13:54 <mikk36> what about ping pong etc ? :P 12:14:02 <Brianetta> DaleStan: http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/build.html 12:14:43 <Brianetta> Project 1 was me. I built it, and sent it to Sphere. 12:15:19 * DaleStan likes. 12:15:59 <Brianetta> Took me about a week to design and make, including the prototype which I still have 12:16:14 <Brianetta> The prototype was raggy as heck, but it taught me some things 12:22:32 <Brianetta> http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/diy/dcp_2546.jpg 12:22:35 <Brianetta> Man, I want that 12:23:05 <Brianetta> Luis from spain made it by hand 12:25:00 <smeding> whoa. 12:25:24 <Brianetta> Looks better than the one I made 12:25:34 <Brianetta> Mine's on the same page, to which I linked earlier 12:26:17 <smeding> yeah 12:27:07 <Brianetta> and that shows mine up for the sat-on-the-livingroom-floor-covered-in-paper-trimmings-and-glue effort that it really was 12:29:09 <Brianetta> I might commission one to be made by a photo and machine shop 12:29:15 <Brianetta> there are a few around the region 12:30:34 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-205-102.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 12:31:30 <Darkvater> petewe should put nsignalsw.grf to files_openttd no? instead of files_win? 12:31:58 <Darkvater> peter1138 that is 12:32:03 <Darkvater> damn tab 12:43:37 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 12:45:41 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:48:48 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-151.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 12:48:49 <Darkvater> hmm or nsignalsw needs to be loaded *before* the landscape files? 12:50:05 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:56:23 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6922 /trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 12:56:23 <CIA-1> -Feature: Add proper cloning sprites and cursors, different for each vehicle. Big thanks 12:56:23 <CIA-1> to MB for the initial design and skidd13 for the iconified version(s). 12:56:23 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Change the autorenew sprites from recycle to upgrade (skidd13) 12:56:23 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Change the shared orders icon (MeusH) 12:56:24 <CIA-1> -Add missing table/files.h file to VS project file. 12:57:17 <peter1138> Darkvater: yeah, nsignals should be in the new list 12:57:20 <peter1138> dunno why i missed that 12:57:37 <peter1138> i guess someone decided they should be loaded in a different way. hmm. 12:57:44 <Darkvater> ok, lemme commit that then 12:57:51 <Darkvater> :) 12:58:07 <Darkvater> am I right that loadgrfindexed does not use sprite slots? 12:58:13 <peter1138> no 12:58:18 <peter1138> it may or may not 12:58:25 <Darkvater> so what is the difference? 12:58:32 <Darkvater> eg LoadGrfFile/LoadGrfIndexed 12:58:42 <peter1138> LoadGrfFile() will always use up num_sprites_in_file 12:58:55 <peter1138> loadgrfindexed will use up only some slots 12:59:36 <Darkvater> so loadgrffile is PURE sprites 12:59:43 <Darkvater> while loadgrfindexed has special magic to it 12:59:46 <peter1138> yup 12:59:49 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-195-8.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 12:59:53 <Darkvater> hmm 13:00:00 <Darkvater> didn't know foundations had magic to them 13:00:11 <peter1138> apparently they do 13:00:38 <Darkvater> hmm 13:00:50 <peter1138> ah, that's because foundations contains 4 sets of foundations 13:00:54 <peter1138> one for each climate 13:00:58 <Purno> how are crashchances of airplanes calculated? 13:01:05 <peter1138> we can actually load the foundations "properly" 13:01:08 <peter1138> i.e. the newgrf way 13:01:09 <peter1138> but 13:01:16 <peter1138> then we have dependency on newgrf 13:02:16 <Darkvater> Purno: 0x10000 / 1500, and 0x10000 / 20 13:02:30 <Purno> ? 13:02:36 <Purno> Now in english please :P 13:02:54 <Purno> On what factors are crashchances dependant? 13:03:18 <Darkvater> 43/65Kth and 3276/65Kth chance 13:03:35 <Darkvater> the bigger chance is for large airplanes on small airports 13:03:38 <peter1138> 0x1500, 0x20 then? 13:03:40 <Purno> ok 13:03:57 <Purno> so not dependant on any other factors, like airplane type, max reliability? 13:04:36 <Darkvater> well large airplanes on small airports depend on airplane type :P 13:04:42 <Darkvater> peter1138: no 1500 13:05:16 <peter1138> so 1500/65Kth and 20/65Kth... 13:05:39 <peter1138> reliability only affects breakdowns 13:06:03 <Darkvater> no 13:06:09 <Darkvater> prob = 0x10000 / 1500; 13:06:13 <Darkvater> if (GB(Random(), 0, 16) > prob) return; 13:06:18 <peter1138> hmm 13:06:19 <peter1138> ok 13:06:29 <Darkvater> is that the same? 13:06:33 <Darkvater> I'm actually confused 13:06:35 <Darkvater> stupid math 13:06:40 <peter1138> no 13:06:42 <peter1138> you're right 13:06:51 <peter1138> i was just assuming it was 1500 out of 0x10000 13:07:13 <Darkvater> Purno: the calculation could be done a lot better though... 13:07:50 <Purno> Darkvater , you mean it's on the to-do-list to change the crashchance calculation? 13:07:57 <Purno> oh wait.. 13:07:59 <Purno> could 13:08:00 <Darkvater> I did not say that :) 13:08:00 <Purno> nvm 13:08:05 <Purno> I read should or sth 13:08:14 <Darkvater> well it should imho as well 13:08:44 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 13:08:55 <peter1138> mr 'mix 13:08:57 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6923 /trunk/ (gfxinit.c table/files.h table/sprites.h): -Codechange: Load nsignalsw.grf in the same way as other mandatory additional grfs 13:09:16 <MiHaMiX> :) 13:09:19 <MiHaMiX> hi all :) 13:09:25 <Darkvater> hiya 13:09:40 <Darkvater> survived last night? 13:10:53 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: yeah, I was far from the riots :) 13:11:07 <Darkvater> :) 13:11:35 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: but I feel quite ashamed about this whole riots thingie on the 50th anniversary of the revolution :-( 13:13:20 <Darkvater> he, well he should've resigned. anyone else in the western hemisphere would've resigned for far less 13:14:09 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: yes, but if he''d resigned the country would be most probably in an even bigger financial crisis :-( not simple situation, believe me :-( 13:15:58 <Darkvater> he does seem to be loved by the investors, yes. Sadly most of them say 'screw them, I want my investment yield, and he's going to take care of it' 13:16:54 <MiHaMiX> yeah, but for those who got loan in devisa (foreign currency) the currency rate for the HUF is very important :-( 13:18:30 <Darkvater> luckily we could persuade the family/friends back home not to do that. 13:19:37 <MiHaMiX> yes, but there are several out there, since the loan rates for HUF loans are quite bigger than the others, which is in EUR or CHF 13:19:42 <Darkvater> but yeah...don't even want to think about that 13:20:48 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: you know, I don't believe in either sides :-( and most other people don't believe them, too. :-( 13:20:59 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6924 /trunk/ (14 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Give the last (in the widget arrays at least) sprites meaningful names. 13:21:00 <Darkvater> now let'shope I didn't have a typo somewhere :P 13:25:37 <DaleStan> s/sh/s\ h/ :p 13:26:26 <peter1138> :) 13:27:06 <hylje> AAA 13:28:25 <Brianetta> http://web.mac.com/alan_james/iWeb/UltraspeedMedia/Current%20News/FB324911-99AA-4E29-85E6-FD07ED6DB149.html 13:28:27 <Brianetta> W00T! 13:28:32 <Brianetta> Everybody DANCE! 13:40:32 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3756D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:43:20 *** Buibo [otus@x240.ip5.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 13:45:05 <Prof_Frink> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/24/smouldering_badger/ 13:45:32 <hylje> badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger 13:49:40 *** Buibo [otus@x240.ip5.netikka.fi] has quit [] 14:01:05 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfeb0.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:26 <Darkvater> people are going to love me :O 14:13:19 <peter1138> who? 14:13:21 <peter1138> why? 14:13:25 <peter1138> etc? 14:13:27 <Darkvater> miniin 14:13:32 <peter1138> ohh :) 14:13:59 <DaleStan> Indeed. 14:14:13 <hylje> :o 14:14:18 <hylje> what did you do 14:14:21 <Darkvater> this 14:14:43 * Darkvater wait 14:14:45 <Darkvater> fuck 14:15:19 <hylje> ha 14:15:23 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6925 /trunk/ (28 files): 14:15:23 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Be more strict with widget distinctions. WWT_PANEL is only plain panel, 14:15:23 <CIA-1> WWT_IMGBTN must contain an image for drawing. Renamed WWT_PANEL_2 to WWT_IMGBTN_2 14:15:23 <CIA-1> because that is what it is. Added WWT_PUSHBTN that is either just a pushable button, 14:15:23 <CIA-1> or a textbutton, which text's drawn dynamically independent of widget. 14:15:25 <Darkvater> .. 14:15:49 <peter1138> IMGBTN_2 ? 14:15:55 <Darkvater> you might get some asserts if some window is really bitch, but I hope not 14:16:00 <peter1138> what's the difference? 14:16:08 <hylje> name 14:16:11 <peter1138> (from IMGBTN) 14:16:18 <Darkvater> different image when clicked 14:16:21 <peter1138> ahh 14:16:23 <Darkvater> the landscape thingie 14:16:32 <peter1138> i wonder if Cobra'll complain ;) 14:16:40 <Darkvater> hehe 14:16:41 <Darkvater> bb soon 14:18:16 <peter1138> Darkvater: why bother keeping the numbers in the WWT_ enum? 14:19:06 <Darkvater> hmm donnu 14:19:13 <peter1138> and WWT_4 / WWT_6, heh 14:19:23 <Darkvater> I have some minor ealnup in widget.c, will look at it 14:19:47 <peter1138> i think my scrollbar stuff'll cause fun too 14:21:24 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3756D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 14:25:13 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C9F1.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:28:34 * smeding wonders how people ever manage to finish code 14:28:52 <smeding> code more advanced than a basic webapp or an algorithm proof of concept anyway 14:29:18 <hylje> money 14:29:22 <hylje> and dedication 14:29:39 <smeding> yeah.. i guess. 14:29:42 <smeding> i lack both 14:30:01 <smeding> people always discriminate on age, what's wrong with a 14 year old writing your code :< 14:30:29 <hylje> because a 14 year old might not know why or how to write good code 14:30:47 <peter1138> stupid reason 14:31:03 <hylje> thats why code review is a wonderful thing 14:31:05 <smeding> might not. but i know plenty of people older than me who don't 14:31:11 <peter1138> i know plenty of 24-34-44 year old coders who have no idea 14:37:10 <Brianetta> I've been coding since I was 11 14:37:21 <smeding> same here 14:37:23 <Brianetta> That's 20 years (: 14:37:25 <Ailure> I probably would create awesome programs if I could convince myself to keep coding on my free time. D: 14:37:33 <smeding> although it was crappy coding 14:37:34 <Brianetta> Ailure: That's the only way 14:37:40 <Ailure> I'm a godamn fast learner 14:37:45 <Ailure> but i'm a godamn lazy person too 14:37:51 <smeding> i've been told i am both of those as well. 14:37:54 <Brianetta> It's common 14:37:57 <smeding> yeah 14:38:04 <smeding> it seems most geeks are like that 14:38:11 <Brianetta> I have a phenomenal long term memory 14:38:24 <smeding> i have a memory like a vacuum 14:38:24 <Brianetta> in fact, most of my high IQ is directly because of my memory 14:38:32 <smeding> i have no idea what my IQ is 14:38:41 <Ailure> I have rather high IQ 14:38:49 <smeding> some tests say 120, some say 144, and lots of things in between 14:38:52 <Brianetta> Mine's high. Highest measure was 152, lowest 132, most recent 138. 14:38:53 <Ailure> No idea about the exact number 14:39:05 <Ailure> just know that I got really high on a IQ test I did as a kid 14:39:06 <Brianetta> It varies so wildly 14:39:21 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:39:22 <Ailure> well 14:39:26 <Ailure> they say that you can train for IQ tests 14:39:39 <Ailure> and gain something like 20 points at least 14:39:43 <Brianetta> Helen's was measured at 82, which just goes to show that it's a bit useless. She learns in a different way, and has different methods of recall, but she's not unintelligent by a long shot. 14:39:45 <smeding> aren't you basically training for your IQ then :p 14:40:12 <Brianetta> wait, might have been 84 14:40:20 <smeding> what does it matter anyway. 14:40:22 <Brianetta> anyway, she *should* be a cabbage 14:40:23 <Ailure> Well IQ is supposed to be static 14:40:30 <Brianetta> Ailure: God, no, it isn't 14:40:31 <Ailure> but it can vary alot even on the same person 14:40:32 <Ailure> over time 14:40:39 <Brianetta> IQ is far from static 14:40:58 <Brianetta> FOr a start, 100 is by definition the mean of the population 14:41:06 <Brianetta> so as that changes, so does yours 14:41:23 <Ailure> yeah 14:41:27 <Brianetta> Exactly half the population are >100, the other half <100 14:41:29 <Ailure> and the average have actually increased 14:41:37 <smeding> what is the difference between mean and average again? 14:41:42 <Ailure> I mean 14:41:43 <Brianetta> mean is a type of average 14:41:45 <Ailure> 100 IQ today 14:41:51 <smeding> Brianetta: ah. 14:41:52 <Ailure> is higher than it was for 100 years ago 14:41:57 <smeding> oh wait, i was thinking of median. 14:41:58 <Brianetta> mean = sum of values / number of values 14:42:07 <smeding> or whatever the English word is. :> 14:42:14 <Ailure> average 14:42:24 <Ailure> eh 14:42:26 <Ailure> I think it's median 14:42:28 <Brianetta> median = middle value when all values are sorted 14:42:33 <smeding> yeah, that's the one. 14:42:38 <smeding> the one i was thinking of, that is. 14:42:41 <Ailure> isn't it though 14:42:42 <Brianetta> IQ is mean 14:42:47 <Ailure> well 14:42:47 <Brianetta> 100 is the mean IQ 14:42:50 <Ailure> median is a better indication 14:42:54 <Ailure> when you have a few extreme values 14:42:54 <hylje> iq isnt nice :< 14:43:05 <Brianetta> You have extreme values at both ends 14:48:26 <Ailure> hmm 14:48:50 <Ailure> wish I had something to do now 14:49:52 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-151.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 14:50:22 <smeding> go code! :> 14:53:12 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-167.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 15:00:54 <Ailure> I should 15:00:59 <Ailure> Maybe start on some random project 15:05:32 <amix> i miss traffic lights 15:05:34 <amix> also 15:05:35 <amix> :D 15:05:45 <amix> browsing youtube 15:05:49 <Prof_Frink> pay more attention when driving then 15:05:59 <amix> and some of the openttd videos are taken away 15:07:10 <amix> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Transport+Tycoon&search=Search 15:07:14 <amix> look there 15:08:07 <amix> Hypnotic, Orda train, Snake and orda train got this "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation." 15:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause> so maybe they violated the terms of use? 15:08:54 <Ailure> xD 15:09:01 <Ailure> why do they care about a couple of TT videos 15:09:13 <Ailure> but ignore all thoose copyright breaking anime series 15:12:08 <Naksu> they dont actively police the videos 15:12:18 <Naksu> they only remove them when they get a dmca complaint or equivalent 15:13:14 <Ailure> which is exactly why 15:13:17 <Ailure> I find thoose removals strange 15:14:33 <Naksu> i think they're required to identify the sender of the original complaint if you send a counter-notification 15:14:35 <amix> me too 15:15:22 <Naksu> maybe it's about the music potentially used in the videos? 15:15:49 <Ailure> I thought about doing tutorial videos D: 15:15:58 <Ailure> becuse openTTD lacks thoose, and the orginal ones wasn't great. 15:16:34 <Ailure> The biggest problem I had with introuducing openTTD to others is getting started, unless they happen to played a earlier version. 15:17:28 <Ailure> well 15:17:38 <Ailure> I get realyl annoying at people using their favorite music in gameplay music D: 15:17:42 <Ailure> becuse it get's old 15:19:23 <amix> its like with morphos 15:19:36 <amix> getting people to like amigaos is also difficult 15:19:42 <amix> ;) 15:19:58 <Ailure> the interface is really confusing for them D: 15:20:05 <Ailure> like "where is the depot button" 15:20:11 <Ailure> or they try to use road depots as stations 15:20:14 <amix> hehe 15:20:24 <amix> i will play from 22.00 tonight 15:20:25 <amix> :) 15:20:27 <Ailure> They do fine on their own 15:20:42 <Ailure> as soon they get past the early difficulties with the GUI though 15:20:54 <amix> mhm 15:21:03 <Ailure> I played the game since I got a uhm 15:21:10 <amix> never got into wow 15:21:10 <Ailure> not-so-legal copy of the orginal Transport Tycoon. D: 15:21:11 <amix> ;P 15:21:26 <Ailure> but then got Transport Tycoon Plus on christmas some year later 15:21:47 <smeding> my mom bought me TTD for 5 euros once :> 15:21:51 <Ailure> then obtained deluxe a few years later after that 15:21:54 <smeding> at a random store 15:22:04 <Ailure> then TTDpatch when I had problems starting it in Windows XP 15:22:05 <amix> i was so angry 15:22:10 <amix> had amiga at that time 15:22:11 <Ailure> then openTTD randomly for a year ago 15:22:22 <amix> wanted transport tycoon to come for amiga 15:22:26 <amix> but it never came 15:22:36 <amix> instead maxis released SimCity 2000 ;P 15:23:15 <amix> which got nice subway alike trains 15:23:20 <amix> but thats it :) 15:23:47 <amix> cars was still pixels like in original SimCity 15:23:53 <Ailure> well 15:24:00 <Ailure> the traffic system sucks in all Simcity game 15:24:03 <Ailure> before Simcity 4 15:24:17 <amix> Simcity 4 is great 15:24:21 <Ailure> It is 15:24:23 <amix> and especially Rush Hour 15:24:29 <Ailure> Though I ironically find myself 15:24:33 <Ailure> mostly planning about the traffic system 15:24:38 <Ailure> and yeah, I have Rush Hour 15:24:46 <Ailure> D: Simcity without Rush hour feels awkard now 15:24:47 <amix> you can drive arround in the city 15:24:59 <Ailure> heh I find that feature boring now 15:25:03 <amix> hehe 15:25:04 <Ailure> it's like GTA, but stripped down 15:25:09 <amix> yes 15:25:54 <amix> i like the highway system in simcity 4 15:25:55 <amix> :) 15:26:07 <Ailure> I tend to go towards public transports 15:26:14 <Ailure> though I try to have a grid of highways 15:26:35 <amix> i really miss highways in openttd 15:26:36 <amix> :) 15:27:04 <amix> faster busses would then be able to bypass older ones etc 15:27:06 <Ailure> the road vehicle system 15:27:08 <amix> like it does now 15:27:14 <Ailure> would have to be remade 15:27:15 <Ailure> I mean 15:27:25 <Ailure> honestly, the road vehicles are way too expensive to run for example 15:27:29 <amix> works on the single roads 15:27:51 <Ailure> highways would be useful if speed limits was put on roads and stuff 15:28:00 <Ailure> but otherwise I can't see how it would be useful 15:28:21 <Ailure> apart from looking neat :p 15:28:28 <amix> but 15:28:33 <amix> on the 2 lane roads 15:28:40 <amix> busses and trucks 15:28:45 <amix> does bypass each others 15:29:06 <amix> the new road would be one way only for example 15:29:25 <amix> like in Locomotion 15:29:30 <amix> if you have played it? 15:29:45 <Ailure> ah nope 15:29:48 <Ailure> but I was considering to get it 15:29:55 <amix> its nice 15:29:55 <Ailure> only for seeing diffrences 15:30:06 <amix> lots of features which openttd should have 15:30:13 <amix> but the building system is awfull 15:30:14 <amix> ;P 15:30:30 <Ailure> like rollercoaster tycoon? 15:30:38 <amix> especially building underground stations 15:30:46 <Ailure> at least it's possible 15:30:50 <amix> yes 15:31:02 <amix> tram stations underground also is possible 15:31:03 <amix> :) 15:31:12 <Ailure> I also saw how some intresting junctions were possible 15:31:22 <amix> the tram system in Locomotion is nice!!! 15:31:24 <Ailure> more compact compared to TT junctions 15:31:34 <Ailure> but still very effecient 15:31:50 <amix> i miss trams in TT 15:31:52 <amix> for sure 15:31:52 <Ailure> becuse you can elevate the tracks in Locomotion apparently 15:31:54 <amix> :) 15:32:01 <Ailure> there's a tram system in TTDpatch 15:32:08 <Ailure> but TTDpatch was unstable last I tried it 15:32:11 <amix> ohh 15:32:19 <Ailure> which is the biggest reason why I went over to openTTD 15:32:34 <Darkvater> :O 15:32:45 <Darkvater> you are most kind to say openttd is stable :) 15:32:54 <amix> yea 15:33:05 <amix> openttd is very stable on morphos atleast 15:33:07 <amix> no crashes 15:33:08 <Ailure> lol 15:33:11 <Ailure> only crash I had 15:33:15 <Ailure> was related to the nightly 15:33:18 <Darkvater> of course it all depends on what version you're running 15:33:25 <Ailure> but the 0.4.8 is very stable 15:33:30 <Darkvater> but the same goes for ttdp, 1.9 is stable 15:33:36 <Ailure> this was some autoreplace 15:33:36 <amix> Ailure: yes 15:33:40 <Ailure> together with the UKRS set 15:33:42 <Ailure> that didn't work well 15:33:50 <Ailure> but that was only one crash 15:33:57 <Ailure> and autoreplace worked fine 15:34:02 <Ailure> apart from that crash 15:34:13 <amix> is it possible to import something from ttdpatch to openttd? 15:34:17 <Ailure> I forgot the exact error, but I do remember it being related to autoreplacing wagons or something. 15:34:37 <Ailure> if you mean savegames, it depends on your ttdpatch configuration 15:34:47 <Ailure> most of my ttdpatch games worked well, but then I did't use any wierd settings. 15:35:28 <Darkvater> hmm what shall I call WWT_6? 15:35:29 <Ailure> also 15:35:41 <Ailure> is it normal to feel elitistic when I join random multiplayer server? D: 15:35:44 <Darkvater> it's like a WWT_DEPRESSED_PANEL 15:35:47 <Darkvater> or some' 15:36:03 <Ailure> I find myself getting annoyed at people making steep curvers, even if it's not my company. 15:36:32 <smeding> i should play otd 15:36:34 <smeding> ottd even 15:36:37 <smeding> but there's lots of lag :< 15:36:38 <amix> steep curvers? 15:36:58 <amix> if you dont have a great connection 15:37:08 <amix> its a bit bad yes 15:37:37 <Ailure> never had problems 15:37:42 <Ailure> ever hosted a server on my connection 15:37:56 <smeding> well 15:38:00 <smeding> it's not so much my connection 15:38:13 <smeding> as it is the fact that my computer starts to slow down with maps greater than 256x256 15:38:28 <Ailure> ah 15:38:31 <Ailure> hadn't such problems myself 15:38:40 <peter1138> stop using a 486 :D 15:38:46 <Ailure> even running with the CPU hogging options on 15:38:51 <smeding> are YOU using a 400MHz piece of shit supposed to be used as a server 15:38:52 <Ailure> such as that path-finding system 15:39:00 <Ailure> and I rarely go above 300 trains or whateve 15:39:27 <smeding> also i'm stuck on 640x480 due to a crazy BIOS for which they are no longer working on updates 15:39:30 <Ailure> as most I think I used 178 trains 15:39:54 <Darkvater> peter1138: any brilliant ideas for naming WWT_6? 15:40:26 <smeding> WWT_EMO_PANEL 15:40:46 <smeding> :> depressed, but shorter and with more fake suicide 15:40:52 <peter1138> no idea 15:40:58 <amix> the bigger levels is a problem for slower systems though 15:41:17 <Ailure> heh 15:41:22 <Ailure> I tried the biggest maps 15:41:31 <Ailure> apart from taking long time to load and autosave 15:41:40 <Ailure> it was fairly smooth 15:41:48 <Ailure> but then I didn't even had a network running on it yet 15:42:00 <amix> :) 15:42:05 <Ailure> besides I found it too big 15:42:10 <Ailure> for my gameplay purposes 15:42:29 <Ailure> I usually don't go higher than 512x512 15:42:47 <Ailure> I did 64 * 2048 once 15:42:50 <Ailure> which was funny 15:42:54 <Naksu> WWT_EMO_PANEL seconded 15:42:57 <Ailure> with the best train in the UKRS set 15:43:10 <Ailure> it took about two years for a train to reach the other side of tha tmap 15:43:29 <Ailure> and this was a totally straight railway 15:43:31 <Naksu> did it pay well? 15:43:52 <Darkvater> what is emo? 15:44:07 <Ailure> It did 15:44:18 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Emo is a sort of crap goth off-shoot 15:44:31 <Brianetta> Suicidal teenagers in bad makeup 15:44:42 <Darkvater> no in WWT_EMO_PANEL 15:44:48 <Brianetta> yep 15:44:50 <Ailure> also I found a funny bug in 0.4.8 15:44:50 <Brianetta> same Emos 15:44:52 <glx> WWT_COMBO_BOX ? 15:45:00 <Ailure> sawmills can in certain situations 15:45:03 <Ailure> cut down cactuses 15:45:11 <Ailure> and the desert turns into grass 15:45:15 <Darkvater> glx: it's not a combo box 15:45:24 <amix> Ailure: so, the tram settings which are in ttdpatch can be used with openttd somehow? 15:45:30 <Ailure> eh nope 15:45:45 <amix> oki 15:45:47 <glx> WWT_COMBO_TEXT if I understand the comment in window.h 15:46:02 <Darkvater> IT IS NOT A COMBO BOX 15:46:07 <Darkvater> the comment is bad 15:46:23 <Darkvater> it's the text-area of a combo box, eg a 'depressed panel' 15:46:40 <Brianetta> Told you it was Emo 15:46:55 <Brianetta> They're all depressed 15:47:03 <Darkvater> ooo 15:47:04 <Darkvater> like that 15:47:05 <Darkvater> heh 15:47:24 <Brianetta> (: 15:48:44 <Ailure> hehe 15:49:05 <smeding> hey! you all stole my joke. D: 15:50:32 <Ailure> *yawn* 15:50:38 <Ailure> I should join a random server again 15:50:42 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:54:57 *** smeding is now known as dutch_finnish_english_dictiona 15:56:56 *** dutch_finnish_english_dictiona is now known as smeding 15:57:46 <Prof_Frink> crikey, oftc allows long nicks 15:58:26 <amix> hoho 15:58:28 <amix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE256BYskXQ 15:58:29 <amix> .d 15:58:36 <amix> for you which are from scandinavia 15:58:38 <amix> :D 15:59:34 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 15:59:36 <Hapo> finland rules 16:00:18 <Eddi|zuHause> NICKLEN=30 16:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause> says it on join 16:02:17 *** Tron_ [O0ANZTG7@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:02:31 <amix> Hapo: ? 16:02:54 <Hapo> speaking about scandinavic countries :) 16:02:59 * Hapo is from *.fi 16:04:27 <Ailure> D: 16:04:36 <Ailure> I don't remember that theme song 16:04:37 <hylje> E: 16:04:59 <Ailure> then I didn't get TV3 until like 16:05:01 <Ailure> 2004 lol 16:05:48 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 16:11:09 * Ailure is from south Sweden if that means anything. D: 16:13:48 *** Sacro [~chatzilla@87.102.18.218] has joined #openttd 16:14:51 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E703.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:15:43 <Sacro> ahh firefox 2.0 16:16:28 <hylje> AAA 16:17:22 <Darkvater> hmm I'll call it a WWT_FRAME 16:17:33 <Darkvater> shit 16:17:35 <Darkvater> already got that 16:18:13 <peter1138> WWT_INSET 16:18:54 <Darkvater> not WWT_INCEST? 16:19:13 <Sacro> incest, the game the whole family can play 16:19:54 <hylje> :o 16:21:15 <Darkvater> good :) 16:22:12 *** mucht_ [~mucht@p57A0EA90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:23 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Eat 16:24:09 <amix> Ailure: that was from 1988 16:24:10 <amix> :D 16:25:30 <Ailure> I was only two years old back then 16:25:41 <Ailure> I had TV3 back then, but I hardly remember anything about it 16:26:41 <amix> hehe 16:26:51 <amix> now someone is blocking me in openttd 16:26:53 <amix> unfair 16:26:54 <amix> ;PPP 16:27:10 <Sacro> FC6 torrent be very slow :( 16:27:35 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6926 /trunk/ (14 files): 16:27:35 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Rename WWT_4 to WWT_TEXTBTN_2 and WWT_6 to WWT_INSET (credits to peter1138 16:27:35 <CIA-1> for the aptly found name) 16:27:35 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Remove the explicit numbering from WindowWidgetTypes 16:28:38 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0EA90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:45 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6927 /trunk/widget.c: 16:28:45 <CIA-1> -Codechange: No need to explicitly cast a boolean to a boolean and move draw_default 16:28:45 <CIA-1> goto outside of switch statement. 16:29:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host7-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:31:20 <peter1138> not that apt 16:31:23 <peter1138> just beeter than 6 :) 16:31:26 <peter1138> better 16:36:49 <Wolf01> hi 16:38:41 <Darkvater> nah pretty good 16:38:41 *** Sacro [~chatzilla@87.102.18.218] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]] 16:39:54 <CIA-1> miham * r6928 /trunk/lang/ (catalan.txt polish.txt turkish.txt unfinished/bulgarian.txt): 16:39:54 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-24 18:38:04 16:39:54 <CIA-1> bulgarian - 523 fixed, 13 changed by groupsky (536) 16:39:54 <CIA-1> catalan - 3 fixed by arnaullv (3) 16:39:54 <CIA-1> polish - 3 fixed by meush (3) 16:39:56 <CIA-1> turkish - 7 fixed by jnmbk (7) 16:41:06 * glx slaps meush 16:41:26 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 16:42:27 <glx> !seen MeusH 16:42:27 <_42_> glx, MeusH (~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl) was last seen quitting #openttdcoop 6 days 19 hours 58 minutes ago (17.10. 20:43) stating "Quit: bye - quit" after spending 23 minutes there. 16:42:47 <MiHaMiX> hmm 16:42:52 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:24 <glx> lang\polish.txt:3232: warning: STR_MEASURE_LENGTH_HEIGHTDIFF: Param idx #2 'NUM' doesn't match with template command '<empty>' <-- because of this :) 16:43:33 <peter1138> been like that for ages 16:43:44 <MiHaMiX> hmm 16:43:52 <glx> yes and he changed 3 strings recently :) 16:44:12 <MiHaMiX> is it still problem? 16:44:16 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-178.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:44:35 <glx> yes still present 16:44:45 <MiHaMiX> hmm, strange 16:45:04 <MiHaMiX> let me investigate 16:45:15 <glx> easy to fix though 16:45:32 <MiHaMiX> yeah, but wait 16:45:46 <MiHaMiX> WT2 should've detected it 16:46:06 <glx> oh new WT2 bug ? 16:46:20 <MiHaMiX> glx: who knows.. let me investigate 16:47:50 * Brianetta bids on a slide rule on eBay 16:48:01 <hylje> rock to ruler: you rule! 16:48:05 <Brianetta> I'm but 5p clear of the next highest bid 16:48:06 <hylje> ruler to rock: you rock! 16:48:41 <Brianetta> 21 minutes to go... 16:49:02 <Brianetta> Oh, the palpable excitement of the final moments of an auction 16:49:07 *** mucht_ [~mucht@p57A0E829.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:50 <hylje> snipe! 16:50:54 <BobingAbout> hi all 16:51:15 <LSky`> =o 16:51:45 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:54 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3F56A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-62.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:52:12 <Brianetta> snipe? 16:52:15 <Brianetta> how undignified 16:52:31 <Brianetta> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rechenschieber-Slide-Rule-Staedtler-Mars-544-LL_W0QQitemZ250039091399QQihZ015QQcategoryZ19346QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 16:52:33 <Brianetta> That one's nice 16:52:40 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FCF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Tron_))] 16:52:43 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 16:55:07 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0EA90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:25 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176110077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:56:59 <Brianetta> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Alte-Rechenmaschine-SUMMIRA-7-Tischrechner-Rechner_W0QQitemZ300034984202QQihZ020QQcategoryZ19346QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 16:57:11 <Brianetta> Mechanical calculator - teh r0Xor! 16:58:10 <BobingAbout> anyone see my newsignals wiki page? 16:58:23 <Sacro> likage 16:58:25 <Sacro> *linkage 16:58:43 <BobingAbout> i can't remember it, just open the wiki and type newsignals in the search 16:58:54 <peter1138> no, cos the wiki was down when i tried earlier 16:59:10 <BobingAbout> it was 16:59:18 <BobingAbout> around middiy i think 16:59:59 <BobingAbout> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Newsignals 17:01:13 <peter1138> well 17:01:30 <BobingAbout> i've been reading a bit about actions 0..4 17:01:40 <BobingAbout> but, thats a rather basic layout 17:01:56 <BobingAbout> best to start somewhere right? 17:02:42 <Sacro> yup 17:05:46 *** Rens2Eat [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 17:06:07 <Brianetta> Five minutes to go! 17:06:12 <Sacro> Brianetta: ? 17:06:24 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:06:34 <BobingAbout> sacro: ebay 17:06:38 <Brianetta> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220038677728 17:06:40 <Brianetta> w00tagw 17:06:44 <Sacro> oh, you buying a slide rule? 17:06:45 <BobingAbout> i like alternate spritemap 2 17:06:49 <Brianetta> Sacro: I might be 17:06:59 <Sacro> heh nice, that'd be amusing at college 17:07:12 <Brianetta> You have just over 3 minutes to bid 17:07:20 <Brianetta> it comes with a manual 17:07:26 <Sacro> dont you just slide it? 17:07:29 <Brianetta> heh 17:07:31 <BobingAbout> i have a calculator... 17:07:34 <Brianetta> you need to read it, too 17:07:40 <BobingAbout> i have 5 calculators 17:07:55 <Brianetta> BobingAbout: Calculators can;t sow you ranges of answers. They're good, but they can't do everything a slide rule can - and vice versa. 17:08:01 <Brianetta> Slide rules can't add or subtract. 17:08:05 <Brianetta> Actually, a couple of them can 17:08:09 <BobingAbout> 1 of mine can, its a graph calculator 17:08:09 <Brianetta> but those are rare 17:08:33 <Brianetta> BobingAbout: Get it to show you a hands-free lookup scale of ex-vat to vat prices 17:08:36 <Brianetta> a slide rule can 17:08:39 <Brianetta> currencies, too 17:08:44 <LSky`> is listening to: [Dani California] ::: Length: [4:42] ::: BitRate: [1157Kbps] 17:08:53 <BobingAbout> another 1 works with complex number and hex/binary 17:08:58 <Brianetta> You set it to the conversion factor, and you can just glance at it and get any result 17:09:16 <glx> LSky`: disable this script :) 17:09:19 <Sacro> thats only linear though 17:09:22 <Brianetta> I wonder if there's a sniper 17:09:25 <BobingAbout> my graph calculator can do that too 17:09:52 * Sacro is listening to: Exaile closed 17:09:53 <Brianetta> BobingAbout: I think you need to check out a slide rule before arguing howmuch easier your calculator is for ratio problems. 17:10:08 <Brianetta> Fact is, electronic calculators *are* easier, but only for everything else. 17:10:15 <BobingAbout> its programable, all you need to do is write a program in basic 17:10:23 <glx> my TI85 was good for games :) 17:10:24 <LSky`> glx , its not auto :D 17:10:27 <Brianetta> All I need to do is move 1 against the denominator 17:10:32 <BobingAbout> lol 17:10:38 <LSky`> i was just gracing you my sweet taste of music =) 17:10:46 <Brianetta> It's mine! 17:11:03 * Brianetta pays 17:11:07 <BobingAbout> get your slide rule to convert angles and vectors to x,y co-ordinates 17:11:12 <BobingAbout> grats bri 17:11:18 <Brianetta> BobingAbout: My vector rule can 17:11:35 <BobingAbout> and in radians? 17:11:35 <Brianetta> It has hyperbolic functions, too, before you try to make it a more complex problem (: 17:11:43 <Brianetta> It has radian conversion implicitly 17:11:51 <BobingAbout> cool 17:12:13 <BobingAbout> what you think to my page bri? 17:12:25 <BobingAbout> now that you not occupied with bidding :P 17:12:37 <Sacro> but can it do RSS feeds 17:12:38 <Brianetta> I'm occupied with PayPal, give me a minute 17:12:43 <BobingAbout> k 17:14:07 <Ailure> Would it be a troll if I entered a random OTTD multiplayer game, and after seeing someone's network layout I go asking "Is this Rollercoaster Tycoon?" 17:14:08 <Ailure> D: 17:14:50 <LSky`> =o 17:15:51 <LSky`> good diea 17:16:11 <amix> openttd is much more unstable on macosx than on morphos 17:16:45 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 17:16:46 <Brianetta> BobingAbout: URL 17:17:48 <Sacro> Brianetta: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Newsignals 17:18:00 <Wolf01> peter1138! bridge stuff! 17:18:27 <Ailure> heh 17:18:37 <Ailure> I would love it if signals was year based 17:18:43 <Ailure> like how it was in orginal transport tycoon 17:18:46 <Wolf01> i made a patch 17:18:53 <Wolf01> with customizable year 17:18:54 <Brianetta> BobingAbout: You want to work on your spelling. 17:18:55 <Ailure> ah 17:18:59 <Wolf01> for semaphores 17:19:27 <Brianetta> unfortunatly, vertual, oposite... I'm just skimming and I see those. 17:19:31 <Wolf01> but break the signal selection gui of the miniIN 17:19:38 <LSky`> lol Brianetta 17:19:39 <BobingAbout> yer, 17:19:43 <LSky`> is he doing translation/ 17:19:46 <BobingAbout> 1. i was at work, and rushing 17:19:47 <Ailure> so they automatically replace themself after a certain year too? 17:19:51 <BobingAbout> 2. i just suck at spelling 17:20:02 <Ailure> I remember that orginal TTO used semaphores 17:20:09 <Brianetta> I don't understand half of what you're describing on that page 17:20:13 <BobingAbout> autoreplace, i'd say not, your trains don't autoreplace do they? 17:20:23 <Brianetta> I take it it's aimed at newgrf devs 17:20:24 <BobingAbout> maybe a "renew all signals" button somewhere 17:20:26 <Ailure> but didn't replace them with signals 17:20:41 <BobingAbout> yes, its a newgrf spec outline 17:20:42 <Brianetta> anyway, I'm off home 17:20:43 <Ailure> a buddy of mine 17:20:47 <BobingAbout> bye bri 17:20:48 <Ailure> kept insisting on using semaphores 17:20:50 <Ailure> on maglev tracks 17:20:52 <Brianetta> see you alllater. 17:20:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 17:20:59 <LSky`> omg 17:21:15 <BobingAbout> semaphores on maglev tracks, right... 17:21:27 <Ailure> that's my reaction 17:21:28 <Ailure> lol 17:21:31 <BobingAbout> not very realistic 17:21:49 <Ailure> maybe if you're going after a steampunk look 17:21:54 <Ailure> where maglev is powered by steam too 17:21:56 <BobingAbout> lol 17:22:23 <BobingAbout> ever see futurama? 17:22:29 <Ailure> yeah 17:22:46 <BobingAbout> it could be people from the future trying to re-enact the past, getting it slightly wrong :P 17:22:55 <Ailure> lol 17:22:59 <Ailure> I seen thoose stuff 17:23:02 <BobingAbout> or in some cases, way out 17:23:04 <ln-> BobingAbout: you think maglev tracks have some sort of advanced traffic control system? 17:23:09 <Ailure> like how they thought 17:23:11 <Ailure> how people got to the moon 17:23:22 <BobingAbout> aye 17:23:39 <BobingAbout> in-: no, just lights rather than semaphores 17:23:39 <ln-> the one in emsland did not. 17:23:52 <ln-> did it even have lights.. 17:24:12 <Ailure> I would actually like to see a steam engine on maglev for novelty though. 17:24:16 <BobingAbout> probably not, but i'd see it having lights over semaphores 17:24:22 <Ailure> or a whole steampunk set 17:24:38 <BobingAbout> anyway, i'm off out 17:24:39 <BobingAbout> bye all 17:24:45 <Ailure> bye 17:24:47 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-178.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 17:25:30 <Ailure> then i'm probably biased towards steam stuff D: though steam-powered maglev would just be stupid 17:25:37 <Ailure> I love the Wardale trains in UKRS 17:26:56 *** Guest52835 [~wolf01@host7-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:26:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host7-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Guest52835))] 17:27:10 <Ailure> heh 17:28:43 *** Guest52835 is now known as Wolf01 17:33:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-204-115.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 17:37:18 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2SupComBeta 17:46:27 <Wolf01> guys, what about the nand signal? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26364&highlight=nand+signal 17:55:47 <Neonox> only 80 sec preview but great! http://www.spirit-of-berlin.de/musik/Songs/audio/kaiserbase.wma 17:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... honestly... i've heard better songs... 17:58:39 <CIA-1> belugas * r6929 /branches/MiniIN/ (19 files in 2 dirs): [miniIN] -Synch with trunk r6677:r6690 18:00:59 <Neonox> Eddi|zuHause: mir gfällts 18:02:54 <Eddi|zuHause> while you are here, remember we talked about the word "rauh"?, looks like you missed some... 18:11:56 *** Guest1764 [~chu@chu.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #openttd 18:12:08 <Guest1764> hi 18:12:46 *** Guest1764 is now known as chu^ 18:13:10 <Eddi|zuHause> is the computer called after you, or you called after the computer? ;) 18:13:26 <peter1138> hello chu, ltns 18:15:02 <chu^> Eddi|zuHause: the computer after me 18:15:20 <chu^> it is a kind of priviledge of my university 18:16:15 <chu^> the reason i am here: i am getting more and more disappointed by the BuildVehicleWindow 18:16:45 <chu^> the last change " Show a list of cargo types that a vehicle is refittable to in the purchase information window." made it even worse 18:21:21 <KUDr> peter1138: problem with winfont - small font can be either nice (http://mazanec1.netbox.cz/svn/ottdp/branches/utf8/screenshots/004.png) or unicode (http://mazanec1.netbox.cz/svn/ottdp/branches/utf8/screenshots/005.png) but not both 18:22:52 <Ailure> oooh 18:22:56 <Ailure> It's going to rock. 18:23:05 <Ailure> Spore is not too far away and I'm getting a new computer soon. 18:23:24 <Ailure> I'm just worried that the online features means that I see phallus shaped creatures regulary though. -.- 18:26:02 <peter1138> KUDr: pick a better font ;) 18:26:21 <KUDr> many fonts but not so small 18:26:25 <peter1138> true 18:26:28 <KUDr> can't find any 18:28:02 * Eddi|zuHause has kind of deja vu 18:28:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i ought to find a better keymap... "no dead keys" is ugly... 18:34:27 *** Rens2SupComBeta is now known as Rens2Sea 18:39:03 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:40:04 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.73.168.209.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 18:41:59 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 18:42:34 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:44:46 <chu^> i'd like to suggest a reworked layout for the BuildVehicleWindow. the current one is really bad useable 18:45:30 <chu^> please look at this: http://chu.in-chemnitz.de/misc/vehicle.png 18:46:23 * Sacro doesnt like it as much 18:47:02 <valhallasw> "In the event of a nearby nucleair strike of twenty (20) megatonnes or more, expect variable hours of operation in your local stores and businesses." 18:47:46 <chu^> my main complaint is this: due to the new buttons and the additional space for the refit-text, the build-button and the vehicle list gets more and more separated 18:48:05 <Sacro> valhallasw: well i personally wouldnt be open much 18:48:05 <chu^> so the mouse-miles rise, thus making usability worse 18:49:04 <chu^> furthermore the 3 filter-buttons just above the build-button lets accidentialy click the filterbutton instead of build 18:49:30 <chu^> and those buttons filter the list - the work like tab-buttons in a browser 18:49:46 <chu^> those buttons are above the elements which are filtered/selected 18:49:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:50:26 <chu^> what is your opinion? 18:50:48 <Sacro> hmm, i like how it is currently 18:51:09 <peter1138> i don't like that refittable line 18:51:27 <peter1138> and there's not enough room for extra text there 18:51:33 <chu^> it is even four refittable lines here 18:52:03 <chu^> (there are four lights...) 18:53:40 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/pl.png 18:53:41 <Sacro> peter1138: any recently updated grfs? 18:54:12 <peter1138> um, dunno, check out the site, heh 18:54:32 <peter1138> gah, stupid metacity 18:54:55 <peter1138> won't let me resize a window if it's title bar is under the top panel 18:54:59 <peter1138> its 18:55:13 <Sacro> peter1138: any chance you can do it as a table, then i can copy paste without having to use ninja awk skills 18:55:24 <peter1138> hehe 18:55:26 <peter1138> kk 18:55:32 <chu^> peter1138: ahh - you are using alternative grf's 18:55:49 <Sacro> Your openttd.grf file is corrupted or missing! 18:55:53 <chu^> in classic ttd there is no "Special feature" or "Suiteable for" 18:56:06 <peter1138> well no 18:56:51 <peter1138> it looks worse when the text falls off the bottom 18:57:10 <peter1138> Sacro: yeah, either you know, or you've got the wrong version 18:57:13 <chu^> http://chu.in-chemnitz.de/misc/vehicle2.png 18:57:25 <peter1138> yes, i know 18:58:11 * peter1138 shudders at the sight of the default graphics 18:58:42 <chu^> peter1138: but the classic graphics are the way most older people (including myself) like it 19:02:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i agree with the filters on top proposal 19:02:21 <peter1138> i wouldn't bother with them personally 19:03:33 <chu^> useability is very important. perhaps the most important thing at all 19:03:55 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-167.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 19:05:33 <peter1138> yes, otoh, text overlapping is not usable :) 19:08:42 <chu^> peter1138: do you mean vehicle.png at my site? this is made by gimp 19:09:21 <chu^> of course, when implementet the layout should be w/o error 19:09:43 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, bring back the directory listing so we can look through all your cool screenshots and stuff at once! 19:11:02 <peter1138> chu^: no, i mean how it was before the window was made bigger 19:11:51 <chu^> those additional information from the newgrfs are really a problem 19:13:28 <chu^> but as you already know - i do not use newgrfs at all 19:14:47 <peter1138> well, your loss 19:14:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:16:06 <chu^> perhaps those additional lines could be inserted below the refitable-to-line 19:16:29 <chu^> and the refit-to-line could use those small colored rectangles 19:16:46 <chu^> (instead of the full-name of the cargo) 19:19:37 <CIA-1> belugas * r6930 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 19:19:37 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Move industry name into IndustrySpec 19:19:37 <CIA-1> -Codechange: member color_map is more related to random color, rename it as such 19:20:50 <peter1138> doesn't make a lot of difference 19:21:04 <peter1138> most of the time the refittable to line is only one row 19:21:31 <peter1138> in which case, it's more usable than the toggle buttons 19:22:02 <chu^> i would not use those toggle buttons (i just copied them from the station list) 19:22:32 <chu^> i would only plot the colors for the cargo the vehicle is refitable to 19:23:12 <chu^> and there are languages, where cargo names are longer than in English! 19:24:52 <peter1138> then it'll go on extra lines ;p 19:25:03 <peter1138> two letter cargo names just don't do it for me 19:25:54 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:02 <chu^> well, your loss :-P 19:30:27 <Eddi|zuHause> what is actually the problem with the full length names? 19:30:54 <chu^> they take too much space 19:31:58 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe the size of that entire box could be precalculated for any strings that are actually there (for all available vehicles) 19:32:36 <chu^> that would be great 19:33:02 <chu^> doing that, i wouldn't mind using full length names 19:33:41 <Eddi|zuHause> so without newgrfs you end up with a small box, and for a set with lots of additional strings, you get a large box 19:34:12 * peter1138 shudders at the amount of extra work that is ;p 19:34:40 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:45 <chu^> remember the png-loader... this was much work too, but in the end, it was worth it 19:38:26 <peter1138> dynamically resized guis are *not fun* heh 19:42:56 <chu^> well. i'll be back later... 19:43:48 *** chu^ [~chu@chu.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has left #openttd [] 19:47:24 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E703.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:01 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E703.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:52 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 19:56:07 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... there should not be much difference to resizing the window by clicking the button, just that you don't resize the vehicle list 19:56:31 <smeding> someone find me something fun to do D: 19:56:51 <Eddi|zuHause> you can probably use a fixed size throughout the entire game, by just looking at the newgrf on load 19:57:06 <peter1138> all hardcoded numbers everywhere 19:57:16 <peter1138> you need to change only the correct numbers 20:00:55 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 20:10:31 <LSky`> peter1138 , does your server (taking into account that "Peter's UKRS - http://fuzzle.org/o/" is your server) have any special rules ? 20:10:39 <peter1138> yes 20:10:46 <peter1138> "play" 20:10:49 <LSky`> =\ 20:10:52 <LSky`> thats hard 20:10:59 <peter1138> well, it happens sometimes 20:11:03 <LSky`> hmm 20:11:08 <LSky`> anything else? 20:11:12 <peter1138> no, not really 20:11:14 <peter1138> a 20:11:46 <LSky`> b? 20:11:56 <peter1138> c! 20:12:17 <LSky`> just putting the GRFs into the cfg file then im joining :) 20:25:08 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Purno has spoken] 20:25:53 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 20:48:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:18 *** amix [~AmiXoamip@202.80-203-43.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:02 * peter1138 sighs 20:59:06 <peter1138> some people... 20:59:32 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.73.168.209.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: Hax for IRC click here *Click*] 21:00:59 <Darkvater> :) 21:02:40 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-62.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:56 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3756D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:57 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:17 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-211-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:15:02 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:18:18 *** Jell-O-Fishi [~Jellyfish@bzq-84-108-254-120.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:33 <Jell-O-Fishi> moo all 21:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause> fish go moo? 21:19:06 <Jell-O-Fishi> i'm martian. 21:19:23 <Jell-O-Fishi> a martian jellyfish-cow-bug. 21:19:45 * Jell-O-Fishi wiggles tentacles and feelers 21:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause> day of the tentacle... great game ;) 21:20:38 <Jell-O-Fishi> yea. 21:20:48 <Jell-O-Fishi> sadly i couldn't finish without a solve -.- 21:21:06 <Jell-O-Fishi> actually i coulnd't finish any adventure without a solve 21:21:13 <Jell-O-Fishi> except for maybe under a killing moon 21:21:29 <Jell-O-Fishi> in easy mode ._. 21:22:11 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i don't remember using a solve for that 21:22:18 <Jell-O-Fishi> for what ? 21:22:24 <Eddi|zuHause> DOTT 21:22:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know that other one you mentioned 21:22:51 <glx> I needed one 21:23:07 <Jell-O-Fishi> under a killling moon. if you like adventure games it's a must ! 21:23:12 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has joined #openttd 21:23:16 <Jell-O-Fishi> there's actually a few in the series.. 21:23:23 <glx> sam&max is fun too 21:23:28 <Jell-O-Fishi> pandora's box.. and a couple of other i don't remember names. 21:23:50 <Jell-O-Fishi> <3 full throttle :) 21:24:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't play that many adventures 21:24:32 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has quit [] 21:25:09 <Eddi|zuHause> maniac mansion, zac mckracken, monkey island... 21:25:32 <Jell-O-Fishi> ooo.. monkey :) 21:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause> not many more... 21:25:36 <Jell-O-Fishi> only finished the first 2. 21:27:38 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has joined #openttd 21:28:08 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has left #openttd [] 21:28:56 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 21:28:57 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5D2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:09 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176110077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:42:58 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C9F1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:52:28 * Jell-O-Fishi squirms a bit 21:52:39 <Jell-O-Fishi> <3 openttd 21:52:45 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:52:47 <Jell-O-Fishi> night 21:52:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host7-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:13:15 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-195-8.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 22:19:19 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6931 /trunk/ (lang/english.txt network.c network_gui.c): 22:19:19 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Change textmessage format a bit. Only the sender's name and target are 22:19:19 <CIA-1> in the sender's colour, the actual message is in white. Should improve readability. 22:19:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yay ;) 22:21:16 <glx> Darkvater: will you fix modified string ? 22:21:29 <Darkvater> yes 22:21:39 <Darkvater> but would clutter too much in one commit 22:22:02 <glx> ok 22:23:14 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6932 /trunk/ (network.c network_data.h network_server.c players.c): 22:23:14 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Send server messages with format NETWORK_ACTION_SERVER_MESSAGE so it is 22:23:14 <CIA-1> general colour like the rest of the server messages. Spectators speak in grey. 22:25:00 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:25:24 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 22:26:23 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6933 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: Allow spectators to speak to eachother (team) 22:27:19 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6934 /trunk/network_client.c: -Cleanup: Some minor cleanup for network_client and removing 'stupid' comment 22:31:37 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause> !calc sqrt(7^4/4-3^2*2^2*5) 22:33:59 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause: 20.5000000000; 22:34:43 <Eddi|zuHause> !calc 7^2/2+sqrt(7^4/4-3^2*2^2*5) 22:34:45 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause: 45.0000000000; 22:38:12 <ln-> !calc define f(x) { return f(x); } 1 22:38:14 <_42_> ln-: 1; 22:40:26 <Sacro> !calc define f(x) { return f(x)^x } 2 22:40:28 <_42_> Sacro: 2; 22:40:32 <Sacro> :( damn 22:40:35 <Sacro> no infinate loop 22:40:40 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6935 /trunk/lang/ (22 files): -Fix up the languages changed in r6931 22:40:49 <Darkvater> Error: Commit succeeded, but other errors follow: 22:40:49 <Darkvater> Error: Error bumping revisions post-commit (details follow): 22:40:49 <Darkvater> Error: Can't set file 'C:\Documents and Settings\tomi\Desktop\trunk\lang\.svn\log' read-write: Access is denied. 22:40:55 <Darkvater> oook... 22:41:26 <ln-> it's fortunate that sacro doesn't understand the syntax 22:42:11 <Sacro> ln-: he will learn... 22:42:12 <Eddi|zuHause> man bc ;) 22:42:21 <Sacro> !calc man bc 22:42:23 <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 22:43:03 <Darkvater> gn all 22:43:47 <Sacro> !calc warrenty 22:43:50 <_42_> Sacro: 0; 22:44:41 <Sacro> !calc while(x!=10){ print x x++) 22:44:41 <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 22:44:52 <Sacro> !calc x=0; while(x!=10){ print x; x++) 22:44:53 <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 22:44:58 <Sacro> !calc x=0; while(x!=10){ print x; x++;} 22:44:59 <_42_> Sacro: 00;11;22;33;44;55;66;77;88;99; 22:45:06 <Sacro> hmm...strange 22:45:23 <Sacro> !calc x=0; while(x!=10){ x++;} 22:45:25 <_42_> Sacro: 0;1;2;3;4;5;6;7;8;9; 22:45:34 <Sacro> !calc x=0; while(x!=10){ x^x} 22:45:48 * Sacro makes it think 22:45:52 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not gonna do much good ;) 22:45:58 <Eddi|zuHause> since x is never changed 22:46:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and 0^0 is undefined 22:46:05 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: oops 22:46:07 * Sacro hides 22:46:11 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:46:21 <Sacro> !seen Rens* 22:46:22 <_42_> Sacro, I found 12 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: Rens2Sea, Rens2SupComBeta, Rens2Eat, Rens2DoomBuilder, Rens2Doom. Rens2Sea (~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168) was last seen quitting #openttdcoop 10 seconds ago (24.10. 22:46) stating "" after spending 5 hours 39 minutes there. 22:46:31 <Sacro> !calc x=0; while(x!=10){ x^x++} 22:46:32 <_42_> Sacro: 1;1;4;27;256;3125;46656;823543;16777216;387420489; 22:46:36 <Jell-O-Fishi> is this just the dev # or a good place to find players :) ? 22:46:40 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: 0^0 seems to be 1 in bc's opinion. 22:46:51 <Sacro> ln-: thats right 22:46:56 <Sacro> anything^0 = 1 22:46:59 <ln-> no 22:47:02 <Eddi|zuHause> that's its perrogative, i assume ;) 22:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: that goes for anything!=0 22:47:27 <Jell-O-Fishi> 0*0 = 1, for very large values of 0 :) 22:47:32 <CIA-1> belugas * r6936 /branches/MiniIN/ (29 files in 4 dirs): [miniIN] -Synch with trunk r6691:r6641 22:47:34 <Sacro> !calc x=0; while(x!=10){ x^x^x^x^x++} 22:47:36 * Sacro runs 22:47:38 <_42_> Sacro: 0;1;200352993040684646497907235156025575044782547556975141926501697371089405955631145308950613088093334810103823434290726318182294938211881266886950636476154702916504187191635158796634721944293092798208430910485599057015931895963952486337236720300291696959215610876494888925409080591145703767520850020667156370236612635974714480711177481588091413574272096719015183628256061809145885269982614142503012339110827360384376787644904320596037912449090570756031403 22:48:02 <Jell-O-Fishi> heh 22:48:02 <Belugas> wouha!!!! 22:48:04 <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me of the peter-function ;) 22:48:06 <Belugas> regression! 22:48:10 <ln-> i also think that 0^0 is undefined, but now there's hard evidence against; Google®. http://www.google.fi/search?q=0%5E0 22:48:23 <Sacro> !calc 0^0 22:48:24 <_42_> Sacro: 1; 22:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause> well the "proof" that 0^0 is undefined usually goes like this: 22:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> assume x^0 for x->0 22:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> you get the limit 1 22:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause> but for 0^x, x->0 22:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> you get the limit 0 22:49:08 <Jell-O-Fishi> ouch 22:49:41 <Eddi|zuHause> in fact, you can find an example for any real number as limit ;) 22:49:54 <Eddi|zuHause> (or even infinity) 22:53:06 *** GabbZoo [~gzrasta@62-30-198-220.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:53:50 *** GabbZoo [~gzrasta@62-30-198-220.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 22:57:53 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6937 /trunk/ (genworld_gui.c gui.h misc_gui.c network_gui.c): 22:57:53 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Add an InitializeTextBuffer() function that handles setting up the 22:57:53 <CIA-1> textbuffer instead of typing it out each and every time. 23:11:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 23:11:46 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6938 /trunk/ (gfx.c misc_gui.c order_gui.c): 23:11:46 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Comments, typo, variable naming, whitespace, strecpy and simplification 23:11:46 <CIA-1> of order_gui (only disable a single widget if not local player, all others aren't 23:11:46 <CIA-1> visible anyways). 23:14:51 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:15:32 *** GabbZoo [~gzrasta@62-30-198-220.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:18:14 *** GabbZoo [~gzrasta@62-30-198-220.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 23:19:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-204-115.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:23:38 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 23:23:45 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 23:24:00 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 23:25:37 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3F56A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:25:45 *** anboni_ [daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:26:54 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:54 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F56A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:54 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:27:19 *** anboni [daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:10 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:46:21 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:57:41 *** mucht_ [~mucht@p57A0E829.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]