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00:02:10 <Bjarni> interesting. SDL links dynamically to this lib even when building statically 00:02:18 <Bjarni> but since I disabled SDL... 00:03:09 <Bjarni> LIBS += -lstdc++ <-- something tells me that this line is the offending one 00:03:27 <Bjarni> linking dynamically nomatter what the flags are set to 00:03:48 <Bjarni> it's not inside any if, so it's always added 00:08:49 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 00:09:28 <XeryusTC> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=532957#532957 ! <- updatez0r! 00:14:37 <Bjarni> odd, it still needs to the dynamic lib even when I'm linking statically (with a modified makefile) 00:15:35 <blathijs> Bjarni: if linking statically, you should pass the library .so file directly instead of with -l, right? 00:15:43 <blathijs> of -l together with -static? 00:16:22 <Bjarni> yeah, I pass the .a file (.a is the same as .so on other systems) 00:16:59 <Bjarni> I did as I did with the other libs and it worked 00:18:06 <blathijs> then you don't need -lsdtdc++ I think? 00:18:18 <Bjarni> I removed that one 00:18:47 <blathijs> still doesn't work? 00:18:53 <blathijs> what does ldd say? 00:19:48 <Bjarni> LIBS = -lz /sw/lib/libpng.a /usr/lib/libstdc++-static.a /usr/X11R6/lib/libfontconfig.a -liconv -framework QuickTime -F/System/Library/Frameworks -framework Cocoa -framework Carbon -framework AudioUnit <-- this is what I link against 00:20:05 <Bjarni> openttd: 00:20:06 <Bjarni> /System/Library/Frameworks/Cocoa.framework/Versions/A/Cocoa (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 11.0.0) 00:20:06 <Bjarni> /usr/lib/libz.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.2.3) 00:20:06 <Bjarni> /usr/lib/libiconv.2.dylib (compatibility version 5.0.0, current version 5.0.0) 00:20:06 <Bjarni> /System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Versions/A/QuickTime (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 6.0.0) 00:20:08 <Bjarni> /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Carbon (compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 128.0.0) 00:20:11 <Bjarni> /System/Library/Frameworks/AudioUnit.framework/Versions/A/AudioUnit (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0) 00:20:14 <Bjarni> /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, current version 7.4.0) 00:20:18 <Bjarni> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0) 00:20:20 <Bjarni> /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 88.3.4) 00:20:25 <Bjarni> and that's the dynamically linked libs 00:20:46 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:21:32 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 00:22:29 <Sacro|AFK> Bjarni: please use a pastebin 00:22:37 *** Sacro|AFK is now known as Sacro 00:23:17 <Bjarni> why should you care? You were away anyway :P 00:23:34 <Sacro> i was here... just forgot to switch nick 00:26:04 <Bjarni> just searched the new for a solution and guess what: somebody removed that file and then finder crashed and so did terminal 00:26:27 <Bjarni> the computer does not work without it... so why is it missing on this guy's computer? 00:27:59 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: because he stands above bill gates on the food chain 00:28:25 * XeryusTC puts on some more shameless advertising: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=29197 00:30:09 <Bjarni> Sacro: http://www.qdb.us/74757 <-- did you miss this one? 00:30:23 <Sacro> Bjarni: nope 00:31:16 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:31:19 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:39 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-236.44.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:36:34 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-84.45.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 00:38:10 <FlashFF> hello people 00:38:50 <FlashFF> i just went to compile ottd after playing about with the code for a bit, and a file called rev.c which appears to hold the revision info magically appeared, but its never done that before 00:39:02 <FlashFF> any idea why it suddenly did now? 00:39:51 <XeryusTC> it has always hold the rev info 00:40:04 <XeryusTC> it only got the branch info added a while ago 00:40:20 <FlashFF> but its never needed to recompile, and isn't in the original zip 00:40:37 <FlashFF> but now it recompiles evey time as if its been changed 00:49:08 <Rubidium> FlashFF: you used a SVN checkout? 00:52:20 <FlashFF> nope 00:52:29 <FlashFF> the 0.4.8 code from the dl section 00:56:35 <blathijs> FlashFF: You're probably better off using an svn checkout, or nightly source code (or at least 0.5.0-RC1) 00:56:54 <blathijs> FlashFF: But rev.c is supposed to be generated AFAIK 00:56:55 <Rubidium> it *should* have remade rev.c at least once a day; it should not do it more than that a day, unless... it cannot replace rev.c 00:57:07 <FlashFF> only if in interesting in the latest dev version lol 00:57:11 <FlashFF> ok cool 00:57:20 <FlashFF> as long as i know its not gonna explode all of a sudden lol 00:57:34 <FlashFF> it just freaked me out that it did it all of a sudden 00:58:04 <Rubidium> it should always have done that, or you have installed 'date' lately 00:58:20 <FlashFF> ? 00:58:38 <blathijs> We might have changed somewhere before 0.4.8, I can't really remember 00:58:45 <FlashFF> oh... once a day its supposed to do it? 00:58:59 <FlashFF> just realising its gone midnight now it that why it would do it? 00:59:23 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 00:59:32 <Rubidium> well, rev.c contains the date (for MorphOS builds) 00:59:33 <blathijs> dunno 01:00:05 <Rubidium> so if the date changes, rev.c needs to be changed 01:01:11 <FlashFF> i see 01:01:12 <FlashFF> cool 01:01:18 <FlashFF> i wont cry anymore 01:06:29 * blathijs is off to bed 01:09:12 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-209-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:33 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-209-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:18:20 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176111133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 01:43:08 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 01:49:03 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-84.45.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 02:04:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp83-237-101-179.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:19 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 02:43:03 *** Digitalfox [~digi@bl8-40-179.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 02:47:04 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4E57.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 02:59:21 *** Digitalfox [~digi@bl8-40-179.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:58 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: PandaMojo] 03:06:49 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:02:38 <Frostregen> anyone here? 04:03:31 <Frostregen> about eyecandy, any suggestions for graphics which would be nice to place on the map in default ottd? 04:07:34 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-209-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:24:21 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:53:50 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:53:50 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:44:40 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N850P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:49:09 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N850P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 05:59:18 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 06:09:24 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:55:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77242.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:56:33 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77242.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:36 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B771EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:04:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77242.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:10:50 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N850P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:11:31 <Frostregen> http://saddam.ath.cx/eyecandy_trunk_v5.diff 07:11:48 <Frostregen> http://saddam.ath.cx/eyecandy_only.png 07:13:11 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N904P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 07:16:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76F23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:20:37 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:41 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B771EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:26:57 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7648F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:29:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76F23.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:32:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77306.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:36:31 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7648F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:56:21 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 08:09:15 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp0-126.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 08:13:40 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: PandaMojo] 08:46:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:49:18 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:49:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:59:13 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:27 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB60F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:02 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE08.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:34:01 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 09:34:01 <Bjarni> !logs 09:36:17 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:47:09 <Nigel> hmmm, i love that geeky forum sig, "Bus Error, Passengers Dumped" 09:55:38 <Bjarni> well, at one time, I was in a bus and it stopped in a traffic jam. We could see the station and since the traffic didn't move for like 3 or 4 minutes, we had an argument with the driver about being allowed to leave the bus even though it was not at the busstop sign, so we could walk to the station and use the train (as we planned). It would have been lame to sit in the bus and watch the train drive away without us 09:57:05 <Bjarni> it turned out that due to some construction work, a hole was digged next to the road and a big lorry (18 meters or so) backed up to fill it, but drove the trailer down into the hole and got stuck while he blocked the road and they had no choice but to call for a crane strong enough to lift the entire trailer to get it up again 09:57:08 <Bjarni> oops :P 09:57:20 <Bjarni> but I was dropped from a bus 09:57:40 <hylje> and, let me guess, the crane dropped into the hole 09:57:45 <hylje> and they had to get yet another crane 09:58:03 <Bjarni> I don't know. I left and got on the train long before the crane arrived 09:59:50 <Bjarni> but... saying that, it reminds me of a locomotive, that derailed and then they called for a crane (that kind, that drives on the rails). It prepared to lift the locomotive, but before it was even moved, the crane broke the tracks underneath it (due to high axle pressure) and derailed 10:00:24 <Bjarni> took them the better part of a week to get the locomotive and the crane back on the tracks and then fix the tracks so they could reopen the railline 10:00:39 <hylje> heh 10:01:07 <Bjarni> but they did have to remove a lot of snow to find all the broken tracks.... it was not the best time of the year to do track works 10:12:04 <Nigel> hopefully post christmas trains will work again here 10:12:29 <Bjarni> you got train problems? 10:12:39 <Bjarni> did they close the tracks due to snow? 10:12:40 <Bjarni> :P 10:13:14 <Nigel> i get about 5-6 messages per 9-4 period saying that the trains are delayed 10/15/20/25/30 minutes and that trains are replaced by buses and all that jazz 10:13:31 *** Hadez_away [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:14:03 <Hadez_away> Hi all :-) 10:14:12 <Nigel> i remember one day, i hadn't checked my mobile for until evening, i had 6 messages, i said they'd all be from the train network, and i recited one of them, without even reading the message 10:14:29 <Nigel> the only detail i got wrong, was the train departed swanson instead of waitakere 10:14:30 <Nigel> :P 10:14:43 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 10:14:56 <Nigel> but yes, we have serious train issues atm 10:15:42 <Eddi|zuHause> who exactly is "we"` 10:15:44 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 10:15:49 <Bjarni> I once signed up for an SMS service from the bus company informing me of delays and stuff... I never got anything but commercials about how great they are, but nothing when I waited more than half an hour for a bus, that drives every 20th minute 10:15:52 <Nigel> Auckland 10:16:13 <Nigel> Bjarni, haha, we need the buses to do that here 10:16:15 <Bjarni> in the end, I asked to be taken off of that service because it didn't work 10:16:39 <Nigel> oh yeah, great story regarding the buses here 10:16:49 <Eddi|zuHause> aren't you supposed to have summer right now? 10:16:56 <Nigel> Eddi|zuHause, yes 10:17:00 <Bjarni> I thought it was a good idea to get an SMS if the bus was seriously delayed to cancelled, so I could wait to leave uni until a bus actually showed up, but it didn't work like that 10:17:50 <Nigel> I sometimes catch the last bus home from town on random days (when i feel like it) 10:18:52 <Nigel> well anyway, the other tuesday i was on it, and we where going down the main road, and i noticed this woman signaling a bus, i persumed a bus behind, but she stopped signaling when the bus went bus 10:18:58 <Eddi|zuHause> here we have to call until 18:00, or the last bus at 22:15 wouldn't even come 10:19:19 <Nigel> so i said to the driver "I think that woman wanted this bus" and the driver was all like "what woman?" 10:20:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E4CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:20:07 <Nigel> anyway, by chance i catch the early bus the next week, and one of the regulars tells me that some b**** made a complaint about the driver for not stopping 10:20:12 <Nigel> and get this... 10:20:49 <Nigel> she demanded the bus company pay a TAXI fare, because she called up her mum 30 odd km away (destination) to pick her up 10:21:02 <Bjarni> I once drove a friend of mine to the station and then it turned out that the train was cancelled... and the next one as well, so he would have to wait until the morning to go home if I didn't decide to drive him home (more than 40 km each way) 10:21:09 <Nigel> now last i heard she's demanding a months free travel 10:21:17 <Bjarni> nice task to get when you should be heading for bed :P 10:21:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the advantage of the system is, if you show up 5 minutes late, the bus [which then is actually more like a taxi] might still wait for you 10:22:27 <Nigel> the FUNNY thing is, there is a bus that travels not even 5 minutes behind, that is an express to a bus station that my bus gets to, after the express, so she could have caught that one, and grabbed a transfer 10:22:55 <Nigel> some women... 10:23:59 <Bjarni> Nigel: reminds me of a bus driver here. He drove a bus, that only went every 2nd hour and he was in a bad mood and passed passengers. The passengers in the bus started to talk to him about stopping because people wanted to get on and he replied "then they should stand properly" (they started waving with their arms and stuff when the bus didn't stop) 10:24:09 <Bjarni> shortly after the driver were fired 10:24:29 <Nigel> yeah, well this driver honestly didn't see her 10:24:54 <Nigel> and he was in he main lane (keeping the bus lane free for the stupid stagecoach drivers) 10:25:45 <Nigel> he's been driving for so long it's not funny 10:26:16 <peter1138> do you think, that everytime the word, that is used there needs to be a comma before, that? 10:26:18 <Bjarni> well, they can miss one passenger, but most of them??? :) 10:26:20 <Nigel> the only time they pass passengers on purpose is in a builtup area where LOTS of buses go pass, and people don't signal 10:26:49 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: PandaMojo] 10:27:16 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 10:27:57 <Bjarni> reminds me of a train that got delayed and the driver thought so much about getting to his destination on time so he could go back on time that he forgot that he was taking passengers both ways. Imagine the look on the faces of the passengers when the train they were supposed to get in passed at 100 km/h 10:28:19 <Bjarni> after a few stations the train was not delayed anymore 10:28:21 <Nigel> haha 10:28:48 <peter1138> "oops" 10:29:01 <Bjarni> I think he passed two stations before he realised that something was wrong 10:29:21 <Nigel> i think if that happened here, the guards would tell him pretty quicky 10:29:35 <Nigel> actually, it depends what trains are running 10:29:52 <Bjarni> I wonder about that as well. None of the car crew reacted to this 10:29:57 <Nigel> if it's the ADKs it's no problem, the guards can walk right into the cab 10:30:13 <Nigel> if it's the SA/SD sets then it depends which way the train is going 10:30:46 <Bjarni> they tend to have radio to communicate to each other about important issues 10:30:58 <Nigel> the SA unit has a cab which the staff can access, but the other end is a DC loco 10:31:10 <Nigel> i guess they can go into the cab and yeah, use a radio 10:31:42 <Nigel> "Oi Driver! Your an idiot! STOP!" 10:32:23 <Nigel> but yeah, our metro trains are setup werid 10:32:39 <peter1138> "oops" 10:32:45 <peter1138> er, wrong window, heh 10:33:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never seen a DC locomotive 10:33:21 <Nigel> Eddi|zuHause, DC Class 10:34:10 <Eddi|zuHause> then i don't think i know what a DC Class is supposed to be 10:34:55 <Nigel> Eddi|zuHause, http://www.trainweb.org/nzdiesels/mainline/dc/ 10:35:46 <Nigel> neat little beasts i guess 10:35:58 <Eddi|zuHause> they look strange... 10:36:31 <peter1138> q 10:36:34 <peter1138> :q 10:36:39 <peter1138> hmm 10:36:43 <peter1138> stupid mouse 10:36:46 <Nigel> the speed limit is the worst 10:37:16 <Nigel> they are fairly typical of the NZ trains 10:37:32 <Nigel> the ones on the metro are painted blue and yellow 10:38:12 <Eddi|zuHause> that is what diesel locomotives are supposed to look like: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB_Baureihe_V_200 ;) 10:38:49 <Nigel> with MAXX on the sides, and the freight are greenish with TR on the sides 10:39:23 <Nigel> disgusting 10:39:48 * peter1138 ponders a dbsetxl game 10:40:46 <Eddi|zuHause> note: do not mix up with http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR_Baureihe_V_200 ;) 10:41:03 <Nigel> http://www.trainweb.org/nzdiesels/mainline/dc/4346.jpg.html is a good example of the structure, not a good example of the typical colours 10:42:57 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 10:43:14 <Frostregen> http://saddam.ath.cx/eyecandy_only.png 10:43:48 <Nigel> http://crusader.fotopic.net/p3773545.html is a good photo of the typical metro colours 10:43:56 <Nigel> (Auckland anyway) 10:44:58 <Nigel> hmmm, that train looks like it just came out of the Hutt Shops 10:45:42 <Nigel> hmmm, it is, the paint job is too clean ;) 10:46:50 <Nigel> hmmm, it'd be funny to do a NZ loco set 10:49:13 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:54:15 <Aloysha> hmm, I should get around to starting up my servers again using 0.5.0-rc1 10:54:30 * Aloysha complains about effort 10:56:08 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:HSB_199_872.jpg <- i did not know there existed a BR 199 (narrow gauge) 11:01:00 <Nigel> we are 1067mm guage 11:01:37 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04:06 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 11:05:32 <Nigel> btw, out of interest, is that considered narrow or wide? 11:06:35 <hylje> train freaks 11:07:18 <Nigel> hmmm, what the heck, some of the Toll trains, the colour scheme is called 'Bumble Bee" 11:07:29 <Nigel> http://www.trainweb.org/tranzrail/dc/DC4398.html not very bumble-bee-ish to me 11:07:37 <Nigel> btw, Merry Christmas all! 11:08:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "normal" gauge is 1435mm 11:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause> "wide" gauge is around 1600mm (russia, finland) 11:09:19 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:10:14 <Nigel> ahhh right 11:10:22 <Nigel> http://crusader.fotopic.net/p25040692.html is called 'fruit salad' :P 11:11:16 <Nigel> that train is a "Dixie" (DX class) 11:11:20 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:11:28 <MeusH> hello 11:11:43 <Eddi|zuHause> err... 11:11:54 <Eddi|zuHause> that looks not only strange, but it looks ugly even... 11:12:23 <Nigel> 8007 is apparently called "The Pig" 11:12:35 <Nigel> btw, describing the colours or the design? 11:14:50 <Nigel> actually, the DX's look quite nice 11:16:25 <Nigel> http://www.trainweb.org/nzdiesels/shunter/dsgj/dsg3304.jpg.html (DSG) looks a bit different though 11:16:28 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB60F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 11:18:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean both ;) 11:19:02 <Nigel> the NZ ADL's are quite ugly 11:19:22 <Nigel> http://www.trainweb.org/nzdiesels/railcar/wrdmu/ 11:19:31 <Nigel> Super horrible to ride in 11:20:07 <Eddi|zuHause> good engines look like this: http://www.bahnbilder.de/name/einzelbild/number/78534/kategorie/Deutschland~E-Loks~BR+103.html 11:20:40 <Nigel> how about a good electric? http://www.trainweb.org/nzdiesels/electric/c30/30134.jpg.html 11:21:15 <Eddi|zuHause> am i missing the "good" part there? 11:21:49 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 11:22:50 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 11:23:29 <Nigel> i'm giving it to you for entertainment :P 11:23:41 <Nigel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Mark_2 is the SA/SD sets we have now 11:23:57 <Nigel> the doors are placed a bit differently though 11:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBAG_Baureihe_101 <- the newest electric engine, does not look as good as the BR 103 though 11:28:57 <Nigel> i'll reserve judgement on looks i think 11:29:12 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:29:22 <Nigel> but yeah, i reckon the NZ electrics look ugly, but i like the Diesels :P 11:29:36 <Bjarni> happy new year XeryusTC 11:30:20 <XeryusTC> it's not gonna work this time ;) 11:30:23 <Bjarni> speaking about odd moments with public transportation: the railroad here was reported to the police for abduction earlier this year. All trains were delayed (one of those days) and the sign on the station didn't match the schedule of the train, so people went in and because the speaker system was broken (that's a rare event), nobody realised that they got the wrong train before it didn't stop at the rather big station a lot of peopl 11:30:23 <Bjarni> e were heading for. They contacted the train crew, who refused to do anything about it, like stopping so they could get another train back, so the train kept on driving for an hour before stopping 11:30:24 <XeryusTC> it's still the 24th :P 11:30:45 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: how should I know what time it is at your place. You keep moving though time 11:30:48 <Bjarni> more or less at random 11:31:02 <XeryusTC> true 11:31:57 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/74757 <-- for everybody missing the great moment yesterday 11:32:01 <Bjarni> or earlier today? 11:32:02 <Bjarni> :p 11:32:44 <hylje> :o 11:35:46 <hylje> I'll never look at the Periodic Table of Elements the same way ever again. Thanks /b/. 11:37:12 <Nigel> it's the 25th here, so i'll repeat, merry christmas 11:37:29 <hylje> its 13:37 here 11:38:02 <Bjarni> Nigel: do you have snow outside? 11:38:15 <Nigel> Bjarni, no 11:38:33 <Bjarni> then what's that nosense talk about being Christmas? 11:38:35 <Bjarni> :P 11:39:13 <Nigel> the 25th is Christmas, snow doesn't make it christmas 11:39:23 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176096220.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:39:40 <Aloysha> Nigel = NZ? 11:40:02 <Nigel> errr what gave you that idea? ;) 11:40:13 <Bjarni> XeryusTC did 11:40:14 <Nigel> bleh, Aussie ;) 11:40:14 <Aloysha> :D 11:40:42 <XeryusTC> huh? 11:40:52 <Aloysha> that I am 11:41:00 <Aloysha> an hour and twenty minutes to go here 11:41:07 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: welcome back from the future. I noticed that you informed Aloysha about stuff 11:41:18 <XeryusTC> hmm 11:41:24 <XeryusTC> im getting confuzled :s 11:41:32 <Bjarni> more than usual? 11:41:37 <XeryusTC> yes 11:41:59 <Aloysha> time travel tends to do that 11:42:05 <Bjarni> so you are going to shoot the guy in red cloth, that climbs down your chimney? 11:42:16 <Bjarni> bbl 11:43:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the hogfather? 11:43:29 <Aloysha> we're in AU, can't get guns ;) 11:43:42 <Aloysha> presume similar in NZ 11:43:56 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: that guys was here a few weeks ago 11:43:59 <Aloysha> i might threaten him with a spork 11:44:23 <Eddi|zuHause> btw. it rarely snows here around christmas 11:55:22 *** mikk36|lap [~mikk36@pc54.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:19 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 12:14:21 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 12:14:31 <Celestar> morning 12:14:41 <Rubidium> morning 12:15:07 <Rubidium> well, we're already past that :) 12:15:33 <Celestar> part what? 12:15:59 <Rubidium> s/past/passed/ :) 12:16:39 <Rubidium> anyway, it's no morning anymore 12:16:53 <Celestar> true 12:16:57 <Celestar> where's Darkvater? 12:19:08 <Ailure> phew 12:19:31 *** MVV [~54321@212.58.173.140] has joined #openttd 12:21:02 <MVV> hi all 12:21:59 <Celestar> hi 12:22:45 <MVV> is there anybody from Russia or some another russiaun-speaking country ? 12:24:20 <MVV> anyway..., I have a 'little' question... 12:24:22 <Rubidium> don't know, but does it really need to be a 'random' Russian, or have you someone more specific in mind? 12:25:41 <MVV> I played in 0.4.0 a year ago and I fond of this game, now I again have access to internet and I see that there is 0.5.0 available 12:26:14 <MVV> can you say what are the updates from 0.4.0 to 0.5.0 ? 12:26:25 <Celestar> MVV: there is a file called "Changelog" 12:26:30 <Celestar> MVV: it's all in there 12:26:46 <Celestar> or changelog.txt 12:27:24 <MVV> ok, but I have very slow dial-up and its much easier to .... mayvbe download exactly this file instead of downloading all the game 12:27:43 <Celestar> the file is 100kB 12:28:25 <MVV> hmmm, anyway, have you link to this file? 12:28:31 <Celestar> wait a sec 12:28:58 <Celestar> no 12:29:01 <Celestar> but I can upload it 12:29:20 <Celestar> do you have Winzip? then I can compress the file 12:29:32 <MVV> i have 12:29:35 <Celestar> good 12:29:38 <MVV> hmmmm wait 12:29:51 <MVV> can you send it on my e-mail ? 12:30:09 * MVV uses WinRAR 12:30:10 <Celestar> nah I have a broken mail server at the moment 12:30:21 <MVV> ^) 12:31:03 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/changelog.txt 12:31:19 <MVV> oh thanks !!!! 12:31:29 <Celestar> np 12:32:02 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p50909786.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:36:06 <Celestar> MVV: did it work? 12:38:19 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:38:23 <MVV> oh yes now I read it .... wow .... 42KB of updates from 0.4.0 :) 12:39:56 <Celestar> hehe :) 12:44:35 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 12:46:23 <MeusH> Celestar, we've been talking a little about rebalancing 12:46:39 <MeusH> but you're busy with RL, so no rebalancing from you, aren't you? 12:48:18 <Celestar> correct 12:48:28 <Celestar> might change a bit in 2007 12:48:57 <MeusH> do you have any sketches, plans, or early WIPs concerning rebalancing? 12:48:59 <MeusH> and about the changelog: Polish may be added to "Languages with proper diacretics" 12:49:15 <Celestar> MeusH: I have but I can 12:49:23 <Celestar> MeusH: I have but I cannot give it to you before 27th 12:49:34 <MeusH> allright 12:49:36 <[gen2]niki> Merry Christmas to the staff and thanks for 0.5! 12:49:37 <[gen2]niki> :D 12:49:49 <Celestar> it is "only" a RC :) 12:50:27 <[gen2]niki> well but a good start ;p 12:50:34 <Celestar> hehe 12:50:42 <Celestar> I wish Darkvater would give the go-ahead :) 12:51:17 <MeusH> Celestar, could you tell me more about "Station statistics" you're assigned to? 12:51:35 <Celestar> nope I have all my stuff on the work computer which is offline 12:52:21 <MeusH> oh, but I meant a description :) 12:52:27 <MeusH> what's that, etc 12:52:33 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 12:53:00 <Celestar> things like how much stuff you transported per month and so on 12:55:12 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 12:57:00 <MeusH> Where is the info stored? 12:57:14 <MeusH> and by the way, where are sign texts and custom names overall stored? 13:08:14 <MVV> "- Fix: [OSX] major speedup for PPC fullscreen (r4034) " what is PPC ? 13:08:34 <Hadez_away> Pocket PC. 13:08:42 <Hadez_away> I think. 13:08:48 <MeusH> Power PC, too 13:08:51 <MeusH> Particle projection cannon, too 13:09:11 <MeusH> 4-phenyl-4-(1-piperidinyl)cyclohexanol too :P 13:09:15 <Hadez_away> :-) 13:09:16 <MVV> ^))) 13:09:23 <Rubidium> in this context it is Power PC, as we do not support Pocket PC 13:09:58 <Rubidium> and I have never heard of OSX on Pocket PC. 13:10:10 <MVV> so let me add "plain-paper copier" :) 13:10:20 <MVV> and "preproduction costs" :) 13:11:55 <ThePizzaKing> :o, it's the 25th 13:12:01 <ThePizzaKing> Merry Christmas to all 13:12:18 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p50909786.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:12:23 <ThePizzaKing> (well those in at least +11 GMT timezone) 13:17:53 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-224-49.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:26:57 <MeusH> :p nice ThePizzaKing 13:29:55 <ThePizzaKing> Anyway, I'd better head off to bed, night all, and have a wonderful day tomorrow 13:29:58 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-191.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:36:43 <Bjarni> <MVV> "- Fix: [OSX] major speedup for PPC fullscreen (r4034) " what is PPC ? <-- PowerPC and I should know. I wrote that line 13:37:02 <Bjarni> actually I wrote revision 4034 13:37:31 <Bjarni> it's like 10 times as fast as before I solved this issue 13:37:35 <MVV> :) understood :) 13:37:48 <Bjarni> and all that CPU time was wasted in one single line of code o_O 13:38:12 <Bjarni> one line used like 75-80% of all CPU power when I tested it before I decided to do something about it 13:39:13 <MVV> heh 13:39:25 <MeusH> what was that line about? 13:39:43 <MeusH> oh, I better go to my svn instead of bugging you 13:41:33 <MeusH> !help 13:41:38 <MeusH> !commit 4034 13:41:48 <MeusH> how does the bot work? 13:41:58 <MVV> line -> printf("HELLO WORLD!"); 13:42:08 <MeusH> :) 13:45:04 <Bjarni> it copied the game screen buffer to the OS screen buffer 13:45:09 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.30] has joined #openttd 13:45:47 <Bjarni> but due to a poor decision of conditions to do it, it refreshed every single pixel for each frame, even if we knew that they didn't change 13:46:00 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.30] has left #openttd [] 13:48:10 <Bjarni> it's even faster now that it uses mem copy instead of our own copy code, because then (if the hardware supports it, like the G5s), it will move the buffer from the RAM to the RAM and bypass the CPU 13:48:48 <Bjarni> whatever code you write yourself will be for the CPU to handle unless you do something really tricky 13:51:35 <MeusH> Bjarni: yesterday you said about GPU. So now everything that matters graphics and display is done by CPU? 13:52:07 <Bjarni> right now the CPU handles everything 13:52:17 <MeusH> If moved to GPU, CPU will have more power to calculate things like pathfinding? 13:52:27 <Bjarni> makes it very portable, but it's not the fastest solution 13:52:33 <Bjarni> yeah 13:52:50 <MeusH> does 32bpp branch move display to GPU? 13:53:06 <Bjarni> if the game speed is limited by the available CPU power, then using a GPU could increase game speed 13:53:28 <Bjarni> no, 32bpp just change the number of colours on the screen, nothing else 13:54:20 <Bjarni> but in order to use the GPU, we will need 32 bit graphics anyway, so it could be considered a needed step 13:54:34 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 13:54:37 <Bjarni> then again it might not matter because it would mean a rewrite of how graphics are handled 13:55:10 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55:30 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 13:55:33 <Celestar> hm 14:08:54 <MeusH> MiHaMiX what's up with you? 14:10:30 <Celestar> Darkvater: Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarkvater 14:11:34 * Bjarni detect a developer in dispair 14:11:40 <Bjarni> anything I can help with? 14:17:05 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:17:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:22:01 <Celestar> Bjarni: I need go or no-go for bridge merge 14:22:50 *** Ben_123 [~Ben@82.152.170.197] has joined #openttd 14:23:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 14:23:37 <MVV> hmmm, "- Feature: Add 4 new airports. 2 for aircraft, 2 for helicopters (r5346) " - as I know, helicopters are 'not perspecive', and it seems that after some year it's impossible to renew them at all, also they are very profittable, so, people, why do you upgrade them? maybe I don't know some things about helicopters where they can be useful? 14:24:06 <Celestar> well, you might be able to load new choppers with newgrfs :) 14:24:41 <Ben_123> I have something that I'm not shore if its a bug or not. Basically I have a hieght map that if I use the game vanishes, and im back in windows. Would this be anything to do with the game, or is this a fault with windows or the image file? 14:25:17 <Celestar> good q, but I cannot test it. 14:25:28 <Celestar> will have to wait till tomorrow 14:26:21 <Rubidium> can you post the image file somewhere. Then I can see where the 'bug' occurs 14:26:47 <Ben_123> Rubidium, shore. You no anyware I can stick a moderatly large .png? 14:27:34 <Ben_123> (1.5 meg) 14:27:47 <Celestar> Ben_123: email? 14:28:00 <Ben_123> ok, to where? 14:28:14 <Rubidium> rubidium@openttd.org 14:29:55 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 14:31:13 <Ben_123> ok done. Its the china map off a thread in the forum, but I've changed it slightly. But only in the same way as the others, and they all work ok. 14:31:19 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-84.45.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 14:32:10 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 14:32:10 <Born_Acorn> !logs 14:33:24 <Rubidium> Ben_123: have to go now, but will look at it when I return 14:33:35 * Celestar needs to leave as well 14:33:36 <Ben_123> ok thanks, I'll float around 14:34:39 <Darkvater> backk 14:34:58 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:35:11 <Darkvater> hiya Celestar 14:35:18 <Darkvater> my away-log says you've been looking forme 14:36:57 *** CIA-2 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 14:36:57 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 14:37:08 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 14:37:09 *** CIA-2 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 14:37:52 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-84.45.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 14:38:07 <Darkvater> MVV: the changelog is also on sourceforge 14:41:52 <Prof_Frink> Nice, openttd's in the OZ package management 14:43:27 <Born_Acorn> Darkvater and Celestar are never here at the same time... They must be the same person! D: 14:43:36 <Darkvater> :) 14:43:58 <Darkvater> I donnu what you guys are doing here, but it's Christmas and I don't usually hang around in front of my pc this time 14:44:50 <Bjarni> you guys don't want to know what I'm doing 14:46:39 <Bjarni> Darkvater: Celestar wants to know if he should merge the bridge branch 14:47:03 <Darkvater> I know what he wants 14:47:39 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: what day is it today? 14:47:45 <MVV> oh americans ... I see you have so ... strong feeling of the holiday of Christmas ... our Christmas is not so ... it doesn't make people so happy :) 14:48:03 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: at my place or your place? 14:48:13 <XeryusTC> at yours 14:48:32 <Bjarni> the 24th of December 14:48:39 <XeryusTC> ok 14:48:43 <Bjarni> and I'm working :s 14:48:58 <XeryusTC> my pc date is correct then :) 14:49:14 <Bjarni> that remains to be seen 14:49:20 <Bjarni> what year do you think it is? 14:49:36 <XeryusTC> 2006? 14:49:41 <Bjarni> o_O 14:49:48 <Bjarni> you missed an entire year???? 14:49:55 <Bjarni> how did you manage to do that? 14:49:58 <XeryusTC> omg O_o 14:59:31 <MeusH> oh, christmas dinner :) 14:59:52 <MeusH> I've got to equip myself with a nice suit, then fill stomach with 12 meals 15:00:09 <MeusH> cya ;p 15:00:14 <Bjarni> sounds fitting 15:00:22 <Bjarni> one meal for each of your stomachs 15:00:27 <MeusH> :D 15:01:06 <Darkvater> Celestar: if you want, go ahead with the merge. Sadly I didn't have time to do any testing..Hopefully tomorrow some; it is Christmas after all :) 15:02:30 <Naksu> !openttd commit 3523 15:02:35 <_42_> Commit by peter1138 :: r3523 /trunk/table/engines.h (2006-02-03 07:45:58 UTC) 15:02:37 <_42_> Undefine helper macros after using them 15:03:29 *** ufoun [~opera@85.207.18.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:03:42 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 15:03:52 <Eddi|zuHause> "christmas dinner"? the traditional meal on 24th december in germany is sausages with potato salad 15:04:15 <Bjarni> Germany... Sausages... go figure :P 15:07:03 *** ufoun [~opera@85.207.18.146] has joined #openttd 15:08:28 <Aloysha> mm sausages 15:08:34 <Aloysha> mm kangaroo sausages 15:10:42 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N904P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:31 <Ben_123> what countries celebrate Christmas today? germany, sweedon and poland I take it? 15:11:52 <Bjarni> sweedon? 15:12:07 <Ben_123> apparently so 15:12:15 <Bjarni> it's called Sweden 15:12:30 <Ben_123> erk 15:12:56 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N903P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 15:13:06 <Biff> doesnt most countries? 15:13:35 <Bjarni> well, so many that I'm not going to list them here 15:14:16 <Biff> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_worldwide 15:14:17 <Ben_123> who doesnt then. Uk doesnt, NZ doesn't I asume Most of north america doesn't 15:14:28 <LadyHawk> uk celebrates christmas.. 15:14:36 <Bjarni> o_O 15:14:39 <Ben_123> tommorow 15:14:42 <Biff> Ben_123: you mean that they get their presents tomorrow? 15:14:43 <Biff> :P 15:15:18 <Ben_123> Do everything tommorw, today is nothign. Some poeple do half days work today still. 15:15:23 <Bjarni> celebrating Christmas is not the same as it should be the 24th and not the 25th 15:15:48 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-84.45.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:41 <Rubidium> Ben_123: still haven't received your email, can you DCC it? 15:16:52 <Ben_123> DCC? 15:17:13 <Biff> i've gotten 10 spam mails today :/ 15:17:22 <Rubidium> it is some IRC command 15:17:22 <Bjarni> actually you mix this up with a different "rule". Some countries used to change date at 18:00 because that's when people stopped working and those countries tend to celebrate evenings because that's when the new date arrived, the date of the (something) to celebrate 15:17:24 <Biff> and they all said merry christmas 15:17:29 *** eper [eperdeme@88.96.49.90] has joined #openttd 15:17:46 <Bjarni> at least they are polite 15:17:59 <Biff> indeed 15:18:13 <Bjarni> nothing like you are fat, got a small penis or anything like that 15:18:18 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-209-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:18:34 <Biff> no, guess they didnt send out those today 15:19:14 <Rubidium> Ben_123: I can do a "/dcc send <nick> <filename>" and it sents the given file to the given person, though the receiver must accept it 15:19:25 <Rubidium> do not know how it works in your IRC client though 15:19:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolf01_))] 15:19:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@82.56.162.114] has joined #openttd 15:19:59 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:20:24 <Ben_123> erm...merry christmas?... I wasnt shore weather to say it, cause who knows when it is, guess Im fat with a small cock then 15:20:45 <Ben_123> Rubidium, Im using Xchat, I don't no anythign about it though, so havnt got a clue how to send 15:23:59 <Rubidium> doesn't /dcc Rubidium <absolute filename> (assuming there are no spaces in the filename and path to the filename) 15:24:53 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-84.45.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 15:26:32 <Rubidium> or maybe there is a 'send file' option if you right click on my nick? 15:27:09 <Ben_123> it has spaces in the name 15:28:23 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:29:43 <Ben_123> Rubidium: Is that working? 15:30:05 <Rubidium> hmm, partly... it is stalling 15:30:39 <Rubidium> probably due to a DSL/Cable router 15:33:15 <Sacro> Ben_123: right click on a nick - send file 15:33:51 <Sacro> and then you have window - file transfers 15:34:03 <Ben_123> Sacro: done that. Its failed. I dunno what to do, Ive emailed it again 15:35:50 <Zavior> Anyone has the hovs universal set that brianetta's nightly requires? 15:36:24 <Sacro> Zavior: me :) 15:36:29 <Zavior> Giavf! 15:36:40 <Zavior> Can't find it anywhere :| 15:36:45 * Bjarni got a message for Sacro 15:36:48 <Sacro> ive collected a grf-pack, just attempting to find licences 15:36:57 * Sacro presses play on Bjarni 15:37:14 <Sacro> Zavior: http://pikkabird.livejournal.com/5844.html 15:37:16 <Bjarni> an untraditional Christmas present, that some people get this year is new boobs 15:37:30 <Sacro> nope, thats ukrsi 15:37:40 <Sacro> Zavior: http://www.pikkarail.com/ttdp/secret/pb_hovs.grf 15:37:49 <Sacro> mmmmmmmmm boobs 15:37:51 <Bjarni> Merry Christmas. You are going to get surgery 15:37:57 <Sacro> :o 15:38:03 <Zavior> Thankee 15:38:15 *** turi [~opera@spc1-bror5-0-0-cust722.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:38:23 <Bjarni> one thing is for sure: you should not expect that from me 15:42:52 *** _MVV_ [~54321@212.58.180.16] has joined #openttd 15:43:17 *** MVV [~54321@212.58.173.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:08 <Darkvater> Bjarni: I just remembered; if the new OSX binary works, please replace the one on SF 15:47:27 <Biff> hmm 15:47:43 <Biff> something is weird with the manage list thingy 15:51:02 *** Azio [~irPhunky@host86-140-2-231.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:51:35 <Azio> hey chaps im having some problems with 0.4.8 , with transfers, (the money just isnt transfering) is this normal? will 0.5.0-rc1 fix this? 15:51:57 <Azio> i remember when cargo transfer/loading/unloading didnt work properly, its not broken again is it? :D 15:52:13 <hylje> transfers work a bit weird 15:52:16 <hylje> but they do work 15:53:14 <Biff> i dont know if the negative income on transfers are fixed 15:53:31 <Biff> i'm trying to figure out why mass send to depot does not work 15:53:42 <hylje> it works 15:54:11 <Biff> no, it does not send all vehicles to depot. i selected a lorry, and hit find vehicles with same order 15:54:19 <Biff> (they have shared orders) 15:54:34 <Biff> only some of the vehicles are actually sent to depot 15:55:24 <Biff> wild guess, only the vehicles that need servicing are sent to the depot 15:56:03 <Azio> :< 15:56:07 <hylje> :| 15:56:11 <Azio> transfers dont work at all :< 15:56:43 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:43 <Azio> not on my openttd 0.4.8 latest stable 15:56:59 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: I just remembered; if the new OSX binary works, please replace the one on SF <-- I will... once I get an additional feedback. No need to replace it right now and then do it again tomorrow due to a 10.3 problem. Hopefully it's an issue with the computer it was tested on and not the binary, but you never know 15:57:02 <Sacro> Azio!!! 15:57:21 <Biff> if they dont work at all you might be using them wrong 15:57:32 <Sacro> no... they dont work 15:57:34 <Biff> what are you trying to do, and what doesnt happen that you expect to happen? 15:57:37 <Bjarni> besides I don't think that many people plan to play OpenTTD tonight 15:57:44 <Sacro> Bjarni: and why not? 15:57:51 <turi> Christmas is the ideal time to play! 15:57:55 <Bjarni> ok, you might 15:57:59 <turi> Who needs family? :) 15:58:03 <Bjarni> me 15:59:50 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 16:05:52 <eper> meh it's Azio 16:06:46 <eper> time to do xmas shopping before it's to late 16:07:48 <Bjarni> American? 16:07:56 <Bjarni> because it's too late here 16:08:10 <eper> nope 16:08:12 <eper> engrish 16:08:27 <eper> Amazon vouchers - the girl that say "i Cba" 16:08:30 <eper> *gift 16:08:30 <eper> :} 16:08:55 <Sacro> its too late now.. 16:09:01 <Sacro> well jacksons is still open... hmmmmm 16:09:16 <Bjarni> it's 4 O'clock.... not the best time of the year to go shopping 16:09:34 <Sacro> nope, all large england shops are shut by law 16:10:51 <HMage> hello everyone 16:11:51 <Bjarni> eper: you are in luck. A mage showed up and he might be able to magically add the presents to you that you have yet to buy 16:12:17 <eper> excellent 16:12:45 <eper> I'll just use the good old excuse of "it got lost in the post, sorry" 16:13:42 <HMage> I won't unless you'll reward me with money equal to the sum of the present prices plus 11 percent extra. 16:14:20 <HMage> mages were always greedy. 16:15:35 <HMage> btw, do the company performance rating calculation goals (the ones that have money goals) increase with inflation? 16:21:42 <eper> question: my server seems not to restart when it reaches X year, any idea why? 16:26:27 *** turi [~opera@spc1-bror5-0-0-cust722.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:13 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:48:25 <Aloysha> are elrails worth playing with? 16:51:30 <Sacro> yes 16:51:40 <Sacro> well, not IRL of course 16:51:47 <Aloysha> har har 16:51:53 <Sacro> you'd have a shocking time *hides* 16:52:14 <Aloysha> *rolls eyes* 16:52:27 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp0-126.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: restarting to see why my right mouse button isn't working] 16:53:37 *** _MVV_ [~54321@212.58.180.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:15 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB60F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77306.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:19 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7036.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:00 <Born_Acorn> "Quit (Quit: restarting to see why my right mouse button isn't working)" 17:02:14 <Born_Acorn> Maybe he wasn't pressing it? 17:02:47 * Sacro presses Born_Acorn 17:04:18 <Bjarni> back 17:04:26 <Bjarni> guys, you should really not be here right now 17:04:46 <Bjarni> you got families, who wants you to do something with them 17:04:55 <Bjarni> well, hopefully you do 17:05:10 <Born_Acorn> I've locked myself in the house. 17:05:31 <Bjarni> scared of burglars? 17:05:34 <Born_Acorn> Yes! 17:05:37 <Born_Acorn> They want my things! 17:05:51 <Bjarni> they want YOU 17:05:59 <Born_Acorn> Argh! 17:05:59 <Born_Acorn> DL 17:06:01 <Born_Acorn> *D: 17:12:03 *** turi [~opera@spc1-bror5-0-0-cust722.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:15:05 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 17:15:09 <Gorre> morning.. 17:15:27 <Sacro> nope 17:15:40 <Gorre> well, obviously, merry whatever! 17:15:54 <Sacro> tis evening 17:16:29 <Azio> Sacro 17:16:31 <Azio> my oh my 17:16:33 <Azio> long time :) 17:16:41 <Sacro> Azio: indeed 17:16:43 <Azio> hey dude 17:16:46 <Azio> we got 2 racks now :) 17:16:50 <Azio> lol 17:17:13 <Azio> last time we met i was in 1U 17:17:13 <Azio> rofl 17:17:25 <Azio> sigh ive been having some problems with breakdowns 17:17:36 <Azio> custom varid10 is set to 0 17:17:41 <Azio> but breakdowns are still on 17:17:49 <Azio> does the savegame have an effect on it? 17:18:05 <Azio> also noticed transfers seem to be broke again in 0.4.8 :D 17:18:11 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has quit [] 17:18:16 <Sacro> hmmm 17:18:19 * Azio is sure 0.4.7 fixed that 17:18:22 <Sacro> nope 17:18:29 <Sacro> none yet have had decent transfers 17:18:33 <Azio> damn 17:18:41 <Azio> im sure it did ;< 17:18:45 <Azio> maybe it was a nightly or something 17:18:54 <Azio> but heh ive had it working 17:18:55 <Azio> im sure of it 17:18:56 <Sacro> nop 17:18:59 <XeryusTC> transfers have always been broken 17:19:04 <Azio> yeah thats what i thought 17:19:11 <Azio> hmm 17:19:23 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 17:19:24 <Azio> what about unloading/loading 17:19:29 <Azio> that broke too? 17:19:47 <Azio> naa dude i couldve sworn i had it working ;/ 17:20:01 <Azio> brianetta had it working i think too 17:20:12 * Azio sobs 17:22:35 <Bjarni> it never worked 17:23:06 <eper> crashing trains is losts of fun 17:23:10 <Bjarni> well, it works in some conditions, but it's too easy to trigger conditions where it fails 17:23:27 <Bjarni> eper: yeah, your humour lost me :P 17:24:23 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-130-198.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:28 <Azio> Bjarni mm 17:26:31 <Azio> that sounds about right 17:26:36 <Azio> oh well 17:26:38 * Azio wimpers 17:26:54 <MeusH> I'm back :) 17:27:08 <Azio> haha eper 17:27:11 <Azio> you nutter 17:27:14 <Azio> always running into you dude 17:27:20 <Azio> haha guys 17:27:23 <Azio> ive known eper over 8 years 17:27:29 <Azio> complete coincidence he's here ;\ 17:27:32 <Azio> internet == small :D 17:27:40 <Azio> brb :D 17:30:27 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-127-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:33 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 17:31:35 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 17:41:26 *** turi [~opera@spc1-bror5-0-0-cust722.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has left #openttd [] 17:48:07 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB60F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^2] 17:52:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75679.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-224-49.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:57:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i love it when connections die for absolutely no apparent reason... 18:00:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-224-49.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:04:58 <MeusH> your neighbour? :p 18:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that might actually be an idea... :p but i don't have a wifi device anywhere near me, i think 18:08:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and i'm probably the only person with a flatrate within the next 5km 18:14:18 <guru3> what about the last 5km? 18:20:05 <hylje> :o 18:20:23 <hylje> the rest of the world outside the 5km area? 18:23:30 <Sacro> theres no such thing... 18:23:33 <Sacro> you fall of the end 18:23:38 <Sacro> 8off 18:25:30 <Sacro> http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/ 18:26:25 <Born_Acorn> old 18:26:31 <Born_Acorn> :p 18:28:06 * peter1138 idly removes the sprite limit 18:28:20 * Sacro idly removes Born_Acorn 18:29:20 <peter1138> there is the small problem of the patch being > 1/2MB , so far 18:31:56 <hylje> :o 18:33:12 *** MVV [54321@91.145.222.71] has joined #openttd 18:33:23 <_minime_> oh, hello peter1138 18:33:35 <_minime_> got a moment, please? 18:34:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i hardly see a problem in a patch like: 18:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> -#define SPRITE_LIMIT (1<<15) 18:34:19 <Eddi|zuHause> +#define SPRITE_LIMIT (1<<31) 18:34:54 <HMage> Eddi|zuHause: the key word there was "removes" 18:35:11 <Wolf01> maybe (re)moves 18:35:25 <Eddi|zuHause> 2147483648 ought to be enough for anyone ;) 18:35:57 <HMage> Eddi|zuHause: I'd like to quote Bill Gates' quote about "640Kb is out to be enough for anyone" 18:36:02 <HMage> of memory 18:36:13 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause: well, apart from that it won't ever work... 18:37:53 <peter1138> _min what's up? 18:38:00 <peter1138> o_O 18:38:24 <Born_Acorn> Lets commit av8 to trunk and avoid all the "theres no helicopters" complaints! :p 18:40:16 <_minime_> Peter, I guess i'll paste what I said yesterday, after you left... 18:40:23 <_minime_> [03:10] <_minime_> [02:41] <peter1138> font replacements have no need to use action E... tum te tum -- why is that? afaik, just having an action 12 in a grf that is not active will not load those glyphs into the game. 18:40:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75679.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:37 <_minime_> if that's already dealt with, feel free to tell me off ;) 18:41:02 <_minime_> of course, I'm talking from a point of someone who mostly codes for TTDP 18:41:31 <peter1138> "Let's" :p 18:41:41 *** glx is now known as glx|away 18:43:30 <FlashFF> who heres is fairly fluent with C / C++ in linux? 18:44:06 <HMage> I am 18:44:13 <FlashFF> because im playing about with the time functions, from time.h 18:44:24 <HMage> gettimeofday() is a very good one 18:44:31 <FlashFF> but the compiler keeps telling me the struct tm doesnt exist 18:45:23 <HMage> struct tm? 18:45:41 <FlashFF> hmm, i can return the time in seconds like that using seconds = time(NULL); 18:45:45 <FlashFF> yeah 18:45:59 <FlashFF> everythiing i can find regarding it seems to say get the seconds using time() 18:46:02 <HMage> you want time with one second precision? 18:46:24 <FlashFF> then pass that to gmtime() to return the broken down time in a struct tm 18:47:05 <HMage> what is your ultimate goal? 18:47:15 <FlashFF> to return the time in a readable format lol 18:48:41 <HMage> http://www.cplusplus.com/ref/ctime/localtime.html 18:49:18 <FlashFF> hmm 18:49:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B758D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:49:27 <FlashFF> that struct tm is there again lol 18:49:39 <HMage> it should be in time.h, what distro are you using? 18:50:02 <FlashFF> slackware 10.2 18:50:06 <FlashFF> but thinking about it... 18:50:12 <HMage> strange, it's defined in ANSI-C 18:50:13 <FlashFF> i could declare that myself 18:50:26 <FlashFF> since the link you gave links to its full definition 18:50:39 <HMage> I strongly recommend you against that. 18:50:54 <FlashFF> lol 18:51:33 <FlashFF> so any idea why the compiler cant see to find that? 18:51:53 <Maedhros> are you writing C or C++? if it's C++ you might need to use the std namespace or something 18:52:08 <HMage> no need to, it's C library, not C++. 18:52:47 <HMage> FlashFF: the only problem I can see here is either you have a faulty installation or you're declaring the timeinfo variable the wong way 18:52:53 <HMage> wrong* 18:53:02 <Maedhros> ok. i was mislead by the __BEGIN_NAMESPACE_STD around the struct in ubuntu's time.h :) 18:53:58 <peter1138> hmm, i guess dv didn't commit the action E fix 18:54:06 <FlashFF> weird..... 18:54:11 <FlashFF> i rebooted my server system 18:54:16 <FlashFF> and now it compiles fine 18:54:33 <HMage> something's strange with your system it seems 18:54:42 <FlashFF> thanks for your help 18:55:19 <HMage> don't thank me, I did nothing :) 18:56:07 <FlashFF> lol 18:56:31 <FlashFF> you helped eliminate all of the other possibilities lol 18:57:35 <peter1138> $ svn diff | wc 10801 95177 616598 18:57:43 <peter1138> :/ 18:58:25 <Sacro> peter1138: whats that? 18:58:31 <HMage> that's a big patch, but at least it gets rid of spaghetti code I hope 18:58:44 <peter1138> no sprite limit 18:58:50 <peter1138> HMage: haha :) 18:59:01 <Sacro> or adds more :p 18:59:08 <HMage> :p 19:00:49 <peter1138> there are a lot of data tables that need modification 19:00:50 <MeusH> guys, Darkvater, new sheds are ready :) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=533294#533294 19:02:30 <peter1138> hmm, problem with the default station :/ 19:04:33 <MeusH> what's the problem peter1138? 19:04:52 <peter1138> ah, i converted something incorrectly 19:06:35 <peter1138> with this 'little' patch the sprite limit is just over 500 million 19:07:48 <peter1138> although the spritecache doesn't handle that many... 19:08:48 <Sacro> :o UKRS + NARS + CanSet + DBSetXL ? 19:08:55 <peter1138> no 19:09:11 <peter1138> that needs more engine slots 19:09:13 <Sacro> d'oh :( 19:09:51 <peter1138> heh, 57 files modified 19:12:10 <peter1138> "TTD can use Unicode, When TTD support non-latin Language?" 19:12:12 <peter1138> um? 19:12:33 <Eddi|zuHause> non-latin as in german? 19:13:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... iirc, all versions of TT i had, except of the first demo, were in german 19:13:50 <peter1138> well, TTD can't use unicode 19:13:56 <peter1138> TTDPatch and OpenTTD can, of course... 19:14:06 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-209-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> "the real WTF is that he capitalized 'language'" ;) 19:16:15 <peter1138> hehe 19:16:44 <hylje> "The real WTF is that you found a the Real WTF from taht" 19:16:54 <peter1138> Darkvater: (how) should i mark a commit that needs backporting to 0.5? 19:20:39 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7554 /trunk/newgrf.c: -Fix (r7496): In Action 0xE, don't deactivate the current GRF (to be ported to 0.5) 19:24:09 <peter1138> bye 19:28:06 <MeusH> bye 19:28:35 <_minime_> bye 19:32:58 *** _MVV_ [~54321@91.145.200.219] has joined #openttd 19:39:12 *** MVV [54321@91.145.222.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:17 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p5090C1CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:57:33 *** ufoun [~opera@85.207.18.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58:43 *** ufoun [~opera@85.207.18.146] has joined #openttd 20:03:15 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:08:13 *** Hadez_away [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:32 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 20:24:02 *** _MVV_ [~54321@91.145.200.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:33 *** MVV [~54321@91.145.211.139] has joined #openttd 20:26:42 *** eper [eperdeme@88.96.49.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:51 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB60F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:36:12 *** _minime_ [~minime@auh-as23321.alshamil.net.ae] has left #openttd [] 20:42:25 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 21:04:16 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 21:08:11 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 21:10:46 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: ping 21:23:15 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE08.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 21:34:08 *** mattt_ [~m@S010600e02995cf26.su.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 21:34:43 <mattt_> is there some strategy to prevent breakdowns? I'm down to 50 day service intervals for all my steam engines, and they're still getting at least 1 breakdown between services 21:35:23 <MVV> disable breakdowns in options :) 21:35:24 <Wolf01> use engines with >75% of reliability 21:35:40 <mattt_> hehe 21:35:56 <MeusH> put depots in vehicles' orders 21:36:25 <MeusH> try to service depots after unloading and before loading, not to decrease income 21:36:49 <MVV> better before ? 21:37:06 <MVV> unloading and uploading, imho 21:37:34 <mattt_> hm, so if i put depots in the orders can i increase the service interval to some fairly large number? 21:38:15 <MVV> or diasable them at all ? 21:42:12 <mattt_> hm 21:42:14 <mattt_> these engines are garbage 21:42:47 <mattt_> i might just disable breakdowns, because this is making the game significantly less fun :/ 21:43:05 <Born_Acorn> I always do. :op 21:44:03 <Wolf01> you have to see the max reliability of an engine before to buy it, if is below 70% the engine is garbage, also if is the best on HP and speed 21:45:48 <mattt_> is it better to distribute resources evenly (ie: will it generate more cash) - for example, distributing coal from one mine to two power plants? 21:47:03 *** Tuzlo [~bill@blk-215-68-38.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 21:47:29 <Wolf01> no, is better to distribute coal from 2 mines to one power plant 21:47:42 <Tuzlo> ok, Iupgraded to 0.5.0-RC1, went and started a random game.... Onky thing is I have no vehicles, am I doing smoething wrong, missingsomething or is this a bug? 21:49:03 <Triffid_Hunter> Tuzlo: try starting at a later year 21:49:11 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N903P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:28 <Tuzlo> ah 21:49:44 <Tuzlo> when is the earliest I should statr? 21:50:16 <Wolf01> 1935 i think 21:51:56 <Tuzlo> oh that would be my problem then..... 21:52:03 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N742P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:53:47 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:48 <MVV> I downloaded 0.5.0 then I simply overwrited by old 0.4.0 - I made all correclty ? 21:59:39 <Tuzlo> should have MVV 22:00:22 <Tuzlo> is there a manuakl for the newest version? 22:02:10 <MVV> I'm trying to connect to any intenet-server but all the servers show version mismatch 22:02:32 <hylje> MVV: not many have upgraded to 0.5.0 yet 22:02:48 <hylje> but you're right, the public server list needs to filter by version 22:05:03 <MVV> all the servers that i see are 0.4.8 22:05:26 <Tuzlo> I was jst wondering how the airpotrs work into this now 22:05:34 <MVV> allmost all but there is no 0.5.0 :( 22:06:51 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:08:45 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:08:59 *** Readyrich [~yerich@CPE00095b329b39-CM000039faee61.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 22:09:41 *** Readyrich [~yerich@CPE00095b329b39-CM000039faee61.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 22:10:08 <MVV> bug :) 22:10:16 <CIA-1> rubidium * r7555 /trunk/heightmap.c: -Fix (r5479): off-by-one error due do truncation on division by 2. Thanks to Ben_Robbins_ for providing the test case. 22:10:36 <Wolf01> there are the custom bridgeheads on 0.5.0? 22:10:58 <Rubidium> no, they are not in 0.5.0 22:11:19 <MVV> while the window with status of current net game downloading is shown i clicked on below window i then it became impossible to see the download status window 22:11:26 <Wolf01> but they are planned for the 0.5.0, in the wiki 22:12:05 <MVV> awful lags i'll better disconnect from irc 22:12:09 *** MVV [~54321@91.145.211.139] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:12:15 <Wolf01> you are always in time to add them, is only a RC1 22:13:22 <Rubidium> first, the roadmap is not written (or at least actively updated) by the developers and secondly "Some of its content may be outdated" (in the green field on the wiki) 22:15:19 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB60F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 22:15:39 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 22:17:36 <Ben_123> Happy Christmas today or tommorw everyone. bye 22:18:27 *** glx|away is now known as glx 22:18:50 *** Ben_123 [~Ben@82.152.170.197] has left #openttd [Leaving] 22:25:00 *** Azio [~irPhunky@host86-140-2-231.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 22:27:28 <Wolf01> 'night all, oh, happy christmas 22:27:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@82.56.162.114] has quit [] 22:31:21 <Darkvater> peter1138: just commit it and when I start backporting I will look at each commit in turn 22:32:17 *** mikk36|lap [~mikk36@pc54.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:32:43 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:27 <Darkvater> hmm guys, I've been working Friday on child/modal windows(popups) 22:34:48 <Darkvater> what would you say were to be the best relationship between a parent and its child? 22:35:06 <Darkvater> It could either be a w->child pointer 22:35:14 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:23 <Darkvater> or the child gets some special wnd_class and number of some sorts like it is now 22:35:37 <Darkvater> I like the pointer myself as it is not only much, much faster, but also more robust 22:36:12 <Darkvater> eg with modal windows you cannot do any action in the parent window until the child is closed 22:36:28 <MeusH> MiHaMiX, ping 22:36:43 <Darkvater> this can solve annoyances as 'hiding' the connect status window, or just clicking outside of the 'confirmation' window for apply newgrf/sell all in depot 22:37:00 <MeusH> goodbye, I'll be back in a hour-two 22:37:33 <Rubidium> the w->child pointer sounds like a good implementation 22:38:05 <Darkvater> the only "problem" with that is, that if a child is closed, the parent's child needs to be set to NULL as well 22:38:14 <Darkvater> and a window can only have 1 single child 22:38:20 <Darkvater> that needs to be closed when the parent is closed 22:38:27 <Darkvater> currently that's done with DeleteWindowClass() 22:38:56 <Rubidium> for that problem you can add a parent pointer 22:38:56 <Darkvater> not that atm a window has more than one child open at any time, but it could be a problmem 22:39:40 <Darkvater> yes, already did that :). The only issue with that is that I didn't add it to Window* but to w->custom, so it's child-window specific right now 22:39:51 <Darkvater> perhaps I should move that to the window struct 22:40:00 <Darkvater> but the multiple-child-per-parent is a bigger issue 22:40:35 <Rubidium> the question is: can it happen? If the parent cannot do anything till the child is done, it isn't a problem. 22:41:09 <Darkvater> a child doesn't have to be modal 22:41:21 <Darkvater> eg sell-all-depot-popup is modal, but the vheicle->orders window isn't 22:41:25 <Darkvater> both are a child 22:43:57 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:06 <Rubidium> what if the child pointer is only used for modal windows? 22:52:49 <Darkvater> hmm possible... 22:53:19 <Darkvater> sounds a bit hackish at first to have this distinction 22:53:55 <Eddi|zuHause> "child windows" and "nephew windows" ;) 22:54:03 <Rubidium> otherwise you would have to cycle through all childs to see whether one of them is modal 22:54:08 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 22:54:55 <Darkvater> Rubidium: yes I know... and that on every click on a window 22:55:17 <Darkvater> ok, not that it would slow down openttd even a tiny bit; but still 22:56:06 <Darkvater> MeusH: much better ddepots :D. But either the train looks too small or the depot too big. Compare your depot to that of the original. Yours takes the full width of a tile, the original doesn't 22:56:12 <Eddi|zuHause> btw: how do you want to handle this situation: the confirm-quit window should be modal to the main viewport, i.e. prevent input in any other open windows [that are not the modal window's parent window] 22:56:31 <Bjarni> back 22:56:44 <Bjarni> anything interesting happening? 22:57:10 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause: yes I have been thinking about that. I donnu yet. Perhaps not make it modal or create a special case from it 22:57:20 <Darkvater> I need to think some more about it 22:57:57 <Darkvater> because simply making it modal just for the main viewport will result in a ton of bugreports: I cannot build anything, mouse unresponsive, but I can manage already open windows, please help! 22:58:27 <Eddi|zuHause> the "correct" solution would be to create some kind of window hierarchy, and then checking any parent window if they have an open modal child 22:58:54 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p5090C1CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:00:22 <Darkvater> we already have a z-window hierarchy 23:00:42 <Darkvater> but what do you mean by 'any parent window if open modal child'? 23:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause> well, let's assume i have the train detail window open, which is a non-modal child of the train window, which is a non-modal child of the main viewport 23:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and i also have the quit-confirm open which is modal to the main viewport 23:02:14 <Eddi|zuHause> if i now make input into the train detail view, it checks it's parent, if it has a modal child [no], and then recursively that parent [yes] 23:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause> so i discard input into the train detail view 23:03:29 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 23:05:05 <Bjarni> Darkvater: btw I realised that nobody solved the issue where autorenew can go out of sync 23:05:08 <Rubidium> isn't the z-window hierarchy useless in the 'parent' hierarchy stuff?, you need the parent, not the one below/above a given window 23:05:20 <Bjarni> that was a must for 0.5.0, right? 23:05:32 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause: the trian-detail window has no idea about its parent, or if it is a child window at all 23:05:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that might need to be solved to do this properly 23:05:56 <Darkvater> Bjarni: you said it was graphical only 23:06:28 <Darkvater> so I didn't markt it as a must 23:06:35 <Darkvater> mostly as I have no idea how to solve it 23:06:52 <Darkvater> Rubidium: it is useless for parentage, yes 23:07:12 <Darkvater> all the z-order does now is the order in which a window receives a click/keypress 23:07:21 <Darkvater> (and drawing of course0 23:10:10 <Darkvater> but; itneresting, I'm going to sleep :) 23:10:21 <Darkvater> hope to get some internet tomoroww, will be away 23:10:52 <Rubidium> so when you add a parent & (modal)-child pointer to each window, you can easily determine whether the window should allow clicking, right? 23:11:06 <Rubidium> night 23:13:46 <Rubidium> Bjarni: shouldn't the whole autorenew stuff be stored to the Player instead of Patches? 23:14:01 <Bjarni> that was the idea 23:14:08 <Bjarni> I never got around to move it though 23:15:04 <Bjarni> because we talked about it and it was the general opinion that we should have a window to contain all company specific settings, but I never had time to make such a window 23:15:28 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:35 * Rubidium ponders some in-between solution 23:15:42 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: you said it was graphical only <-- I said that the graphical part could say that it's on while the core thinks it's off 23:16:20 <Bjarni> if anybody got any idea on how to solve this (hopefully before 0.5.0), you are welcome to say so 23:16:30 <Bjarni> and even better if you can code it as well 23:18:54 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-84.45.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 23:23:04 <mattt_> why is it some stations all of a sudden stop accepting goods? 23:23:29 <Eddi|zuHause> because the cities replace buildings? 23:23:56 <mattt_> is there a specific building that has to be nearby to accept goods? 23:24:00 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB60F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:24:14 <Eddi|zuHause> use the query tool 23:25:15 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:25:59 <mattt_> what am i looking for? there's at least 2 buildings within the station coverage area that accept goods 23:26:26 <Eddi|zuHause> they have ratios like "2/8 goods" or "3/8 goods" 23:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause> they have to sum up to at least 8/8 goods 23:26:38 <mattt_> yeah 23:26:40 <mattt_> oic 23:26:44 <mattt_> >_< 23:28:32 <peter1138> $ svn diff | wc 23:28:36 <peter1138> 11432 97378 634978 23:28:40 <peter1138> i think that's... a bit too big 23:28:53 <Rubidium> depend on what it is 23:29:05 <Rubidium> if you add one language, it is quite OK :) 23:29:11 <peter1138> no sprite limit 23:29:32 <peter1138> there're a fuckload of tables that need changing... 23:31:00 <peter1138> and i had to poolise the spritecache 23:31:24 <Eddi|zuHause> so split it up for each table individually ;) 23:31:28 <peter1138> cos 10 bytes per entry is a bit much 23:31:38 <peter1138> 10 * MAX_SPRITES 23:31:52 <peter1138> fine for the current 16384 limit 23:32:33 <peter1138> not so good when the limit is 2^29 23:33:29 <peter1138> (also it uses less memory with the default graphics, heh) 23:33:59 <Rubidium> nice! 23:35:44 <peter1138> otoh 23:36:03 <peter1138> i'm having difficulty getting enough grfs together to get past 24k sprites 23:41:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B758D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:45:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77119.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:46:40 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 23:47:26 <peter1138> poor old yapf 23:47:42 <peter1138> got a game here 23:48:05 <Rubidium> Bjarni: in which case does the GUI<->core inconsistency occur? 23:48:14 <Bjarni> unknown 23:48:18 <Bjarni> most likely when loading 23:49:00 <peter1138> cpu usage... old pf: 80%, yapf 30%, npf 25% 23:49:27 <KUDr> ?? 23:51:15 <peter1138> hmm, 20-30% for npf 23:51:35 <peter1138> 30-40% for yapf 23:51:44 <peter1138> total usage, of course 23:52:06 <KUDr> in profiler? 23:52:13 <peter1138> no, in top 23:52:18 <KUDr> hmm 23:52:21 <peter1138> i.e. not a controlled test 23:53:23 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:47 <Rubidium> Bjarni: if the inconsistency happens on load, the fix is easy :) 23:54:23 <Rubidium> http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/autorenew_gui-core_inconsistency.diff 23:54:48 <Rubidium> but first, lets see whether that compiles :) 23:55:40 <Eddi|zuHause> !calc 1024^3 23:55:41 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause: 1073741824; 23:56:00 <Eddi|zuHause> why does dd claim this to be 1.1GB? 23:56:12 <Bjarni> Rubidium: it's only a theory that it happens on load 23:56:19 <Bjarni> I was never able to verify it :( 23:56:25 <Rubidium> it is a really good theory 23:56:40 <peter1138> heh, is sirkoz on another planet? 23:56:48 <Rubidium> as the _patches.autorenew*_never_ get set on load 23:58:16 <Rubidium> it gets set on network games though 23:58:21 <Bjarni> but the whole structure of how it works now is poor. The patch setting is the default for starting a new game while the ingame setting should only affect the current game, but they are controlled from the same window, which is a pretty bad thing