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00:00:44 <Rubidium> true, but creating a new window etc for enabling and configuring autorenew is more work than making it just 'work' correctly in the current situation 00:01:44 <Rubidium> the patch setting 'in-game' is the same as the one stored in the savegame (at least, with my patch applied) 00:04:10 <Rubidium> only case it now doesn't get set properly is when one changes player via the 'cheat' menu 00:04:29 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:00 <peter1138> nini 00:05:24 <Rubidium> night 00:09:55 <Rubidium> ok, now the settings get reset on switching player too 00:10:02 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp0-126.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 00:10:55 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:37 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7036.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B813E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:16:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:17:17 <ln-> hmm, interesting channel this BahnTV 00:18:08 <Rubidium> Bjarni: what are we going to do with the patch? It is certain these two cases are cases where it *could* happen; there might be an issue with the validity of _local_player in AfterLoadGame; something that the part just before my new code in openttd.c uses 00:18:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-224-49.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:18:59 <Rubidium> anyway, I'm going to sleep now 00:19:55 <Eddi|zuHause> they show something at this hour? 00:20:28 <ln-> yeah 00:20:50 <ln-> over an hour-long video that was shot from a loco window 00:21:04 <ln-> started from somewhere and ended up at karlsruhe hbf. 00:21:41 <Eddi|zuHause> oh yeah, like "the most beautiful tracks of germany" 00:27:02 <Eddi|zuHause> could be less boring if they had some intresting music playing 00:27:57 <ln-> and now some more driving... 00:28:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it's quite funny when they drive through a tunnel, the screen is completely black for a while 00:29:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and they usually say "cut by x seconds" or something 00:29:28 <ln-> omg, werbung 00:30:14 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 00:31:31 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> it's quite funny when they drive through a tunnel, the screen is completely black for a while <-- my cabview video recording of a tunnel is not black. The tracks are visible and now and then the boiler and funnel shows as well, not to mention all the signals and stuff 00:31:59 <Bjarni> <ln-> started from somewhere <-- are you sure it's not "elsewhere"? :P 00:32:24 <Eddi|zuHause> no, they might as well drive from karlsruhe to karlsruhe ;) 00:32:25 <ln-> in real life one can build signals in tunnels, yes 00:32:46 <Bjarni> I know 00:32:46 *** MVV [54321@91.145.211.139] has joined #openttd 00:32:52 <Bjarni> I have seen some of them 00:33:13 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-191.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:33:15 <Bjarni> they didn't have room for proper signals, so they placed 4 coloured lightbulbs on the wall :D 00:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause> well, in the case i saw it it was some diesel engine on a single-track route, they neither had boilers nor signals to see there 00:34:01 <Bjarni> that's just stupid 00:34:06 <Bjarni> a diesel without a boiler 00:34:08 <Bjarni> o_O 00:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it might have had a boiler, but it just could not be seen 00:34:32 <Bjarni> what's next? A locomotive without wheels? 00:34:57 <Bjarni> that would be TransRapid 00:35:05 <Eddi|zuHause> square wheels, so they don't roll backwards on the hills ;) 00:35:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E4CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:02 <Bjarni> I once saw a cabview video and because it was a steering car, I instantly wondered "the engine noises are missing" 00:36:19 *** MVV [54321@91.145.211.139] has quit [] 00:36:30 <Bjarni> I have driven on that particular line myself, but only with steam or diesel 00:36:55 <Bjarni> since it was clearly not a steam train, the diesel engine noise was missing 00:39:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i figure you don't have a lot of electric trains to drive 00:40:10 <Bjarni> actually that line got catenary and the steering car got an EMU in the other end 00:41:11 <Bjarni> but personally, I will likely never drive an electric train 00:41:31 <Bjarni> except for the 1:87 scale :P 00:41:45 <Eddi|zuHause> naturally ;) 00:42:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd like to see a working steam model of H0 scale once ;) 00:42:55 <Bjarni> hmm 00:43:10 <Bjarni> steam engines can always be made bigger, but they got a problem with small sizes 00:43:11 <glx> too small I think 00:43:53 <Bjarni> I say that the task to build such a small steam engine is so complex that it will be way too expensive 00:44:05 <Bjarni> but it could be possible to build 00:44:31 <Bjarni> would likely be really slow through 00:44:45 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... Freiburg/Unstrut is not very far from here 00:44:50 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 00:44:55 <MeusH> heya 00:45:03 <MeusH> is MiHaMiX alive? 00:45:19 <Bjarni> do you mean before or after we killed him? 00:46:27 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: I have seen working steam locomotives in scale... hmm 1:20 or something like that 00:46:28 <Belugas_Gone> was he alive before we've killed him? Was he alive after we've killed him? Bjarni, my friend, either way, it does not make much sens ^^ 00:46:31 <Bjarni> pulling people 00:46:54 <Bjarni> Belugas_Gone: it was not intended to make more sense than the question ;) 00:47:36 <ln-> ok, silence everyone, i'm going to sleep. 00:47:46 <Belugas_Gone> you've succeeded Hahah!! 00:47:51 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/74757 <-- what, people don't think it's funny that he thought he missed Christmas eve? 00:47:53 <Belugas_Gone> night ln- 00:47:57 <Bjarni> night ln- 00:48:05 <ln-> hmm, or perhaps it would be more idiomatic to say "going to bed"... 00:48:06 <ln-> gn 00:48:07 <MeusH> goodnight ln- 00:48:22 <Belugas_Gone> good going to sleep ln- 00:48:29 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe, they have a steam engine in scale 1:1,33 ;) 00:48:39 <Bjarni> who are they? 00:48:57 <Eddi|zuHause> or was it 3,33? 00:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause> somebody in leipzig 00:50:37 <Bjarni> http://hawkdawg.com/photos/rr_s/RSA-Red%20Devil.jpg <-- I know two guys, who are building this one. I think it's in 1:10 or something like that 00:51:21 <Bjarni> it will be so big that it needs a boiler test and approval like a real steam locomotive 00:51:44 <MeusH> heh 00:51:48 <MeusH> who'd care anyway? 00:51:56 <MeusH> too much beaurocracy... 00:52:10 <Bjarni> the future passengers 00:52:12 <Bjarni> I guess 00:53:25 *** ufoun [~opera@85.207.18.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:56:28 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB60F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 01:06:24 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 01:08:21 <Bjarni> goodnight 01:09:37 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:14:18 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-83-100-195-194.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:17:40 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176096220.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 01:18:53 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 01:25:47 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 01:35:46 <MeusH> goodnight 01:35:58 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 01:40:46 <CIA-1> belugas * r7556 /trunk/screenshot.c: 01:40:46 <CIA-1> -Fix(r7153): By handling the KeyEvent sooner in the events loops, the console 01:40:46 <CIA-1> command "screenshot no_con" did not had time to actually repaint the screen 01:40:46 <CIA-1> without the console before the screenshot. Forcing a redraw before it ensure 01:40:46 <CIA-1> that the feature acts as required. (to be ported to 0.5.0) 01:40:47 <CIA-1> (thanks glx) 01:43:06 *** mikk36_ [~mikk36@pc54.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 01:43:11 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-84.45.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? 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Application will be closed. Send report to Microsoft" :( 08:07:24 <Smoky555> ===> Compiling win32.c 08:07:26 <Smoky555> win32.c: In function `OTTDSHGetFolderPath': 08:07:26 <Smoky555> win32.c:1109: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules 08:12:43 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-191.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:19:57 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp0-126.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:48 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB73F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:28:00 <Rubidium> Smoky555: that warning is known, the crash is caused by a bug in gcc 08:28:53 <Rubidium> (what bug I do not know, but I suggest to upgrade to the latest gcc and see whether that resolves it) 08:29:33 <Smoky555> ok 08:50:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:51:19 <Wolf01> morning 08:53:19 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: PandaMojo] 09:02:42 <Jango> dudes 09:02:45 <Jango> happy christmas 09:05:36 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:05:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:18:48 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:35:55 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-191.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:40:15 <Rubidium> Bjarni: I did some further thinking about your inconsistency problem; it could only happen when the _local_player is changed and the patch settings were not updated properly.. 09:41:24 *** ufoun [~opera@85.207.18.146] has joined #openttd 09:41:36 <Bjarni> annoncement: I replaced the mac release file on sourceforge to solve the linking problem to libfontconfig 09:41:44 <Rubidium> So I made a patch that adds a SetLocalPlayer function that is used everywhere in the code where _local_player would be set except two locations where the _local_player is changed and then changed back again in the same function. 09:41:48 <Bjarni> now it should work for everybody (hopefully) 09:41:54 <Rubidium> http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/autorenew_gui-core_inconsistency.diff 09:43:24 <Bjarni> that might do it 09:51:50 <CIA-1> bjarni * r7557 /trunk/Makefile: 09:51:50 <CIA-1> -Fix: [OSX] FS#463 libfontconfig not present on OSX by default 09:51:50 <CIA-1> By adding CUSTOM_FONTCONFIG flag to the Makefile (not Makefile.config) to overwrite default locations of this library 09:51:50 <CIA-1> This allows static linking 09:52:11 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:52:54 <Bjarni> Rubidium: you can go ahead and figure out if your diff solves the issue. I don't have the time :( 09:53:01 <Rubidium> Bjarni: you could have made a modified libfontconfig-configurator 09:53:49 <Rubidium> i.e. a script that returns the correct library flags 09:54:02 <Bjarni> yeah, but since it's not only part of Xcode, it could also conflict with with my SDKs (universal binary thing to use more than one), I would rather do it this way 09:55:00 <Bjarni> I noticed that Apple released a new Xcode, which I have yet to download. Any custom modifications risk getting overwritten when updating 09:55:43 <Rubidium> if you place the libfontconfig-configurator in $USER-DIR/my-own-stuff, it should not overwrite it 09:56:08 <Rubidium> anyway, brunch :) 09:56:31 <Bjarni> oddly enough the config accepts the --static flag, but it just fails to return any lib information 09:56:41 <Bjarni> even though the help says that it will 10:01:33 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@213.59.125.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:58 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE08.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:04:37 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has joined #openttd 10:16:03 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB73F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 10:32:56 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-195-194.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:35:06 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 10:47:52 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 10:49:36 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.134] has joined #openttd 10:49:49 <TrueBrain> Hi all! I just wanted to say: MERRY XMAS!!!! 10:49:59 <TrueBrain> That said, I wish you all a good day :) 10:50:03 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.134] has left #openttd [So long and tnx for all the fish] 10:50:04 <Bjarni> XMAS??? 10:50:16 <ThePizzaKing> That was a short visit 10:50:19 <Bjarni> this guy can't spell 10:50:36 <Bjarni> and use the American way of hiding it 10:51:08 <Bjarni> next thing you know, they will start to say exmas instead of Christmas 10:51:21 <Bjarni> would that name Christ X? 10:51:28 <ThePizzaKing> Whenever I see that I pronounce it exmas 10:51:46 <ThePizzaKing> That's why I write it out in full 10:52:02 <ThePizzaKing> Then I don't confuse myself 10:52:24 <mikk36_> Bjarni, it's the damn americans 10:52:28 <mikk36_> they spell it Xmas 10:52:37 <mikk36_> to save space 10:52:37 <Bjarni> it appears that it takes very little to confuse ThePizzaKing 10:52:39 <mikk36_> as u know 10:52:56 <ThePizzaKing> Of course, I get confused very easily 10:52:59 <Bjarni> you mean like they generated the y2k issue 10:53:11 <ThePizzaKing> and I can confuse others even easier 10:53:15 <Bjarni> they even saved space writing the name of it 10:54:01 <mikk36_> yeah 10:54:21 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p50908B69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:54:27 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7AEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:50 <Sacro> y2k i dont mind, its when they say 2k6 for 2006 10:56:54 <Sacro> when its clearly 2600 10:57:25 <mikk36_> well 10:57:30 <mikk36_> at the same time... 10:57:37 <Bjarni> Sacro: we all know that you are screwed up anyway 10:57:42 <mikk36_> k means thousand, right ? 10:57:44 <Sacro> Bjarni: indeed 10:57:57 <Bjarni> 2k6 means 2,6*1000 10:58:00 <Sacro> mikk36: x 10^3 10:58:06 <mikk36_> so 2k6 becomes two thousand six :) 10:58:39 <Bjarni> mikk36_: not really. Ever seen something like a resistor saying 4k9? 10:58:48 <mikk36_> nope 10:58:53 <mikk36_> not into electronics 10:58:56 <Bjarni> it's 4900 ?, not 4009 ? 10:58:59 <mikk36_> also 10:59:06 <mikk36_> it's spoken and free language 10:59:12 <Bjarni> the latter would make no sense as it could be ±5% 10:59:14 <mikk36_> not that scientific and formal 10:59:47 <mikk36_> although, 1 standard would be better, yeah 11:00:14 <Bjarni> the idea of a language is to use a standard known by both sender and receiver, so they agree on what it mean 11:01:17 <mikk36_> well, i prefer to agree with the wider area of people... 11:01:33 <mikk36_> then it's easier to understand 11:02:05 <mikk36_> lol 11:02:10 <mikk36_> at the same time... 11:02:21 <mikk36_> right now it's 2k, right ? 11:02:41 <mikk36_> shouldn't be the next century 21h ? :P 11:03:00 <mikk36_> h -> hundred 11:03:15 <Bjarni> no 11:03:22 <Bjarni> century means 100 years 11:03:23 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.30] has joined #openttd 11:03:25 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.30] has quit [] 11:03:34 <Sacro> 21h is 9 o clock at night 11:03:45 <Bjarni> so you are saying the 2100xx years 11:03:52 <Sacro> 21C 11:03:57 <Rubidium> basically, but h doesn't stand for hundred, but for hecto :) 11:04:00 <Sacro> actually, 21xx = C22 11:04:01 <mikk36_> Sacro, u do spell 1987 as nineteen eighty-seven ? 11:04:16 <Sacro> mikk36: depends if its the number, or the year 11:04:32 <Sacro> its the number one thousand, nine hundred and eighty seven 11:04:44 <mikk36_> of course 11:04:53 <mikk36_> but we are talking about years here, 11:05:06 <mikk36_> aren't we ? 11:06:46 <Sacro> think so 11:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> if it means the year i say "neunzehnhundertsiebenundachzig" 11:07:19 <Sacro> http://www.dailyhaha.com/_flash/jeu_chiant.swf tis evil! 11:07:46 <valhalla1w> zomg 11:10:10 <valhalla1w> Hey c'est pas mal hein! Bon, c'est pas génial, mais c'est correct, pout quelqu'un comme toi 11:10:13 <valhalla1w> well, thanks :P 11:10:52 <valhalla1w> (23.5s) 11:10:59 *** Sacro_ [Ben@adsl-83-100-195-194.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:12:08 *** Sacro_ [Ben@adsl-83-100-195-194.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 11:12:11 *** Sacro_ [Ben@adsl-83-100-195-194.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:12:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> thanks for ruining my day :p 11:13:23 <Bjarni> LOL, now I got the mail that I slapped Darkvater for not sending. It was sent on the 22nd, but I didn't get it until now :P 11:13:30 <Bjarni> lame postal service 11:13:42 <Bjarni> even worse than the physical one 11:13:46 <Rubidium> yeah, the virusscanner was crashed :) 11:14:29 <Bjarni> the message was somewhat important "I released... build a binary and add it to SF" 11:14:41 <Bjarni> I guess it's ok to wait that long for a message like that :P 11:15:01 *** Guest56 [~Gono@N921P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:17:33 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-195-194.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:16 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:21:15 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N921P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:21 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 11:28:58 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:29:09 <MeusH> hello 11:32:01 <Bjarni> hi Mozard 11:32:07 <Bjarni> oh wait 11:32:15 <Bjarni> wrong Amadeus :P 11:32:39 <Bjarni> and isn't it Mozart anyway? 11:35:18 <Sacro_> indeed it is 11:35:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:49 <MeusH> well 11:35:55 <MeusH> that was Mozart 11:36:10 <MeusH> btw have you seen the movie "Amadeus"? 11:36:22 <Sacro_> i think i have 11:36:32 <MeusH> that Mozart dude was pretty much weird :) 11:36:42 <Bjarni> well, I will 11:36:47 <Bjarni> I recorded it last night 11:37:13 <Bjarni> Director's cut was on TV and then it would have been silly not to record it 11:38:47 <Bjarni> hmm 11:38:48 <Bjarni> odd 11:38:54 <MeusH> ? 11:39:14 <Bjarni> I just put a disc in the optical drive and it will not eject before the OS allows it to 11:39:27 <Bjarni> yet all apps claims that the tray is open 11:39:39 <MeusH> OSX? 11:39:42 <Bjarni> yes 11:39:45 <Bjarni> never happened before 11:39:45 <Sacro_> heh 11:40:18 <Bjarni> I think it was poor timing with inserting the disc while clicking record in the 3rd party burn app 11:40:27 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176104129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:41:00 <MeusH> speaking of bad things on macs, a friend of mine has an iPOD that hangs up when playing certain mp3 11:41:05 <MeusH> there's no way to turn it off 11:41:05 <Bjarni> since it can take control of the drive so no other app will access it, it can lock it for all other apps and I think it did that, but failed to realise that it actually contains a disc 11:41:10 <MeusH> there's no "restart" button 11:41:20 <MeusH> there's no way to acces the baterry to remove it 11:41:37 <Bjarni> pirated mp3s? 11:41:41 <MeusH> no 11:41:50 <MeusH> recorded at home 11:41:55 <Sacro_> Bjarni: i got some, whatr are you after/ 11:41:55 <MeusH> iPOD "uncrashes" after 3-4 hours 11:42:19 <Bjarni> odd 11:42:49 <Bjarni> well, give it to iTunes and then let that app encode it for the iPOD 11:42:52 <Bjarni> that should work 11:42:55 <Bjarni> if not, contact Apple 11:43:07 <Bjarni> maybe contact Apple anyway 11:43:27 <Bjarni> it sounds like something is not like it should be 11:43:27 <Gonozal_VIII> no way to access the battery? :S 11:44:29 <Bjarni> I never figured out that part either, but you can get them to replace the battery for the price of the battery 11:44:57 <Bjarni> I mean, free installation of battery when you buy it 11:45:24 <Bjarni> it could be some sort of protection against the battery falling out or something 11:45:53 <Gonozal_VIII> so they have to open it with a large hammer and add a new case afterwards or what? 11:46:04 <Bjarni> I have no idea 11:46:33 <Bjarni> but with some powerbooks, they used special tools to open them 11:46:37 <Bjarni> could be something like that 11:46:58 <Bjarni> you never know what they think of and why. Could be some US law they are protecting themselves against 11:47:03 <Gonozal_VIII> i wouldn't like that 11:47:36 <Bjarni> "user got electrocuted and want a fortune"... stuff like that 11:48:29 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:50:06 <Bjarni> in USA, some guy put up an electric fence and put it on a normal power outlet. Then he touched it and died. His widow got a fortune because the power company didn't specify that you were not allowed to do so without using an approved transformer. That's like suing a car company for dying in a carcrash while speeding. It's illegal because it's too dangerous, but the manufacturer didn't specify that you are not to use their product to 11:50:06 <Bjarni> break the law. 11:50:46 <Gonozal_VIII> like the guy that went to the back of his camper to make some coffee while he was driving on the highway... 11:51:07 <Bjarni> ... 11:51:26 <Bjarni> he really let his camper drive on it's own??? 11:51:33 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 11:51:43 <Gonozal_VIII> had "cruise control" on^^ 11:52:01 <Sacro_> right... off out 11:52:05 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro|Out 11:52:18 <Bjarni> so if something happened to the road, like a queue... interesting stuff would happen 11:52:26 <Bjarni> not to mention in curves 11:53:46 <Gonozal_VIII> he crashed into something and sued the manufactorer of the camper for not writing down that you shouldn't leave the drivers seat while driving 11:54:19 <Gonozal_VIII> he even got money for that... 11:54:23 <Bjarni> the US army are trying to get vehicles to drive without a driver, but that's totally different because it got a robot thing to keep an eye(sensor) on the road and act on the input 11:54:54 <Bjarni> useful for driving supplies in areas with snipers 11:55:04 <Bjarni> s/driving/moving 11:55:32 <Bjarni> the people can move out of the line of fire while it's somewhat safe to keep driving 11:56:22 <MeusH> Bjarni, I saw a TV programme about taht 11:56:33 <MeusH> but these were students, not soldiers who did that 11:56:46 <MeusH> their car drove across USA from west coast to east coast 11:56:51 <MeusH> without driver 11:56:51 <Rubidium> that is probably the DARPA challenge :) 11:56:55 <Bjarni> maybe more than one group works on this 11:57:52 <Rubidium> the DoD finances that challenge to create a vehicle that can drive cross-country autonomous 11:58:11 <MeusH> what's DoD? 11:58:21 <Rubidium> Department of Defense 11:58:22 <mikk36_> department of defense 11:58:24 <mikk36_> grr 11:58:32 <Bjarni> Do nOt Disturb 11:59:23 <mikk36_> offtopic: what's tnt in full ? 11:59:39 <Rubidium> MeusH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Grand_Challenge 11:59:47 <MeusH> Trinitrotoluene 11:59:53 <MeusH> thank you Rubidium 12:00:01 <mikk36_> k :) 12:00:02 <Bjarni> mikk36_: something that's not recommended to eat 12:00:09 <mikk36_> i know that 12:00:13 <mikk36_> lol 12:00:17 <Gonozal_VIII> i wouldn't want to create something like that in the usa... much to high risk for something like "i was so shocked when i saw that thing driving without a driver that i fell and broke my leg, give me 10 million dollars..." 12:00:21 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-191.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:00:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 12:00:47 <mikk36_> lol 12:01:39 <Bjarni> I once saw a video of two guys, who found a ghost car. It was driving without anybody in it. It turned out that a very short woman drove it. She watched where she went though the gab between the driving wheel and the dashboard 12:01:54 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 12:02:05 <Bjarni> I don't think she would pass the test to be able to see everything needed to be allowed to drive 12:02:27 <Gonozal_VIII> police didn't stop her? 12:02:36 <Bjarni> police didn't find her 12:02:42 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 12:03:18 <mikk36_> lol 12:04:32 <Bjarni> I think we need to allow the police to fully monitor everything on the roads. It would increase safety while it would not hurt people, who obey the laws 12:05:46 <mikk36_> but then i wouldn't be able to cruise around at usual 70km/h in the city any more :/ 12:06:17 <Bjarni> I rest my case 12:06:36 <Bjarni> brb rebooting (to regain control of the optical drive) 12:06:37 <MeusH> good point Bjarni 12:06:42 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:06:48 <MeusH> however, we're pretty safe, because noone in poland uses cruise control 12:07:01 <MeusH> and we use manual gearboxes 12:07:03 <mikk36_> i don't use either 12:07:06 <MeusH> that means we're more clever :) 12:07:10 <mikk36_> on a/t here 12:07:22 <MeusH> anyway, the problem here are drunken drivers 12:07:27 <mikk36_> yeah 12:07:32 <Gonozal_VIII> same here 12:07:33 <mikk36_> they suck 12:08:03 <Gonozal_VIII> they should watch for them more often 12:08:11 <mikk36_> yeah 12:08:34 <mikk36_> i have been tested only once in a year 12:08:40 <mikk36_> after getting my license 12:09:06 <mikk36_> and that was when i accidentally didn't spot a red light at 2am when there were no cars around 12:09:09 <Gonozal_VIII> would be more important then to search people that park in a 90 min zone for 2 hours or something.. 12:09:14 <mikk36_> all the streets were empty 12:09:34 <mikk36_> we have other firms for that though 12:09:39 <mikk36_> for parking control 12:10:33 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:10:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 12:10:43 <Bjarni> I got the disc :D 12:10:52 <MeusH> haha :D 12:10:53 <mikk36_> 'the disc' ? 12:11:01 <MeusH> stuck in his comp 12:11:17 <mikk36_> ? 12:11:34 <MeusH> he had to open the comp 12:11:38 <mikk36_> locked in optical drive ? 12:11:41 <MeusH> and put his hand into comp's entrails 12:11:42 <MeusH> yeah 12:11:44 <mikk36_> erm 12:11:54 <mikk36_> the long pin button didn't work ? 12:12:18 <mikk36_> also 12:12:19 <Gonozal_VIII> isn't there a small hole in every drive where you can open it manually with a pin or something 12:12:33 <mikk36_> u don't need to shut down ur computer, to remove optical drive 12:12:39 <Bjarni> actually I just rebooted and pressed the left mouse button while booting to eject all removal drives 12:12:40 <mikk36_> just disable it and then remove it 12:12:49 <Bjarni> *removeable 12:12:52 <mikk36_> lol 12:13:20 <mikk36_> also 12:13:20 <Bjarni> the problem was that the burning app screwed up and locked the drive 12:13:39 <mikk36_> Bjarni, usual optical drive or some fucked up custom-built vertical'n'shit drive ? 12:13:40 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 12:13:40 <Bjarni> !logs 12:14:16 <Bjarni> vertical drive without that magic hole to get the disc out :s 12:14:29 <mikk36_> lol 12:15:06 <mikk36_> what pc is it then ? 12:15:21 <mikk36_> i've only once seen such vertical drive myself 12:15:30 <mikk36_> on an old fujitsu 12:15:36 <mikk36_> was some blue shit 12:15:42 <Bjarni> 14:07:22 < MeusH> anyway, the problem here are drunken drivers 12:15:42 <Bjarni> 14:07:27 < mikk36_> yeah 12:15:42 <Bjarni> 14:07:32 < Gonozal_VIII> same here 12:15:42 <Bjarni> 14:07:33 < mikk36_> they suck <-- I thought the sucking part was the prostitutes that we are warned about 12:16:05 <mikk36_> lol, no, didn't think that way 12:16:12 <Gonozal_VIII> prostitiution is legal here... 12:16:54 <MeusH> where? 12:16:55 <MeusH> whois... 12:17:01 <Gonozal_VIII> austria 12:17:13 <mikk36_> and in poland ? 12:17:23 <MeusH> it isn't legal here but who cares? 12:17:38 <mikk36_> lol, right 12:17:43 <MeusH> no difference between illegal and legal :D 12:17:49 <Bjarni> Before a big EU meeting in Denmark, EU wanted us to legalise prostitution... so we did??? 12:17:56 <mikk36_> u just cruise through the country at 180km/h and noone cares ? :P 12:18:17 <mikk36_> @ MeusH 12:18:19 <MeusH> mikk36_ we don't have fast enough police cars to pursuit :D 12:18:32 <mikk36_> exactly :P 12:18:46 <Bjarni> not only does this appear to be an EU law rather than a Danish law, but the EU guys, who takes such important decisions appeared to be more interested in getting legal access to prostitutes everywhere 12:18:51 <Gonozal_VIII> the stolen german cars are too fast ;-) 12:18:56 <mikk36_> although i couldn't do it in my car... damn a/t won't go that fast :P 12:19:07 <MeusH> Bjarni, and this is what I especially don't like in EU 12:19:20 <MeusH> they insist on countries approving their stupid laws 12:19:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B813E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:45 <MeusH> for example every farmer who produces more milk than some norm, must pay punisment fees 12:19:57 <MeusH> but farmers in germany can produce more milk 12:19:59 <mikk36_> yeap 12:20:01 <MeusH> it sucks so much 12:20:08 <Bjarni> you know, they made a rule that you are not allowed to sell cucumbers if they are too curved 12:20:16 <Vikthor> Whole EU agriculture policy sucks 12:20:18 <Bjarni> or strawberries if they are too small 12:20:31 <mikk36_> what about wild strawberries ? 12:20:48 <mikk36_> those <1cm ones 12:20:52 <Bjarni> so the strawberries that grow well in the northern parts of EU are banned because they can never be big enough for selling 12:20:55 <Bjarni> different kinds 12:21:12 <Gonozal_VIII> you shouldn't eat those at all because there could be fox shit on them^^ 12:21:16 <Bjarni> mikk36_: likely sold illegally because nobody noticed 12:21:24 <Naksu> prostitution is legal in finland as well 12:21:26 <mikk36_> lol @ GoneWacko 12:21:29 <mikk36_> Gonozal_VIII, * 12:21:36 <Bjarni> he is right 12:21:44 <Bjarni> you need to purify them first 12:21:49 <Bjarni> or risk dying 12:21:52 <MeusH> lol Bjarni 12:21:55 <mikk36_> lol 12:22:10 <mikk36_> the hell i will clean 'em in the woods 12:22:13 <Bjarni> we got very few foxes left because they got some sort of disease that killed most (all?) of them 12:22:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83F79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:22:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:22:28 <Gonozal_VIII> tapeworm thing 12:22:34 <mikk36_> less risk of getting shitty strawberry now ? :P 12:22:44 <Bjarni> I guess that could be the English name for it 12:22:46 <MeusH> good you, we have a few lynxes and foxes because people kill them 12:23:00 <mikk36_> everything normal here :) 12:23:10 <MeusH> Bjarni, the one Flemming cured? 12:23:20 <Bjarni> we got too many mice because there are too few foxes to eat them 12:23:28 <mikk36_> k, i should get up already (from bed) 12:23:43 <Bjarni> why? 12:23:57 <mikk36_> i dunno.. to eat etc 12:24:14 <mikk36_> and my toes are cold 12:24:14 <Gonozal_VIII> we still have foxes here and badgers and stuff... 12:24:43 <Bjarni> mikk36_: get a better bed. You should be warm in it, not cold 12:25:13 <MeusH> sleep in socks 12:25:15 <mikk36_> i am, but my toes aren't somehow 12:25:24 <mikk36_> they are randomly warn and cold :) 12:25:29 <Bjarni> but if etc is bathroom.... I will not hold you back... or on the other hand, I'm not going to watch your cloth/bed anyway, so what do I care :? 12:25:31 <Bjarni> :P 12:25:47 <mikk36_> lol, right 12:26:09 <Bjarni> <mikk36_> they are randomly warn and cold :) <--- new random seed generator for the map generator? 12:26:31 <mikk36_> nah.. not interested :P 12:27:14 *** DNazarov [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has joined #openttd 12:27:42 <Bjarni> new idea. Make you scream, record the sound and generate a seed based on that 12:27:51 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 12:28:03 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:05 <Bjarni> "now if I put you just over your left knee with this hammer, I will get a lake in the middle of the map" 12:28:06 <mikk36_> why that complicated 12:28:18 <mikk36_> easier way would be to let type people in some word 12:28:28 <mikk36_> and the record the tapping times in thousands of second 12:28:43 <Bjarni> because hitting you is more fun 12:28:50 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 12:32:50 <Bjarni> just wondering: why would anybody be against the police catching people, who breaks the law? 12:33:14 <Gonozal_VIII> if it's a very stupid law? 12:34:11 <Bjarni> say the police wants to set up a camera next to a school because too many cars are speeding when passing it, why would they not be allowed to do that? 12:34:24 <Bjarni> they aren't in Denmark and I never understood why 12:34:46 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know for sure but i think they are here 12:35:45 <Bjarni> Denmark should be the only country in EU that got a total ban for police cameras in traffic. They are only allowed to be used if there is a police officer controlling it and not by remote control 12:36:14 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, that's stupid 12:37:30 <Gonozal_VIII> radar speeding camera things should be everywhere where it's dangerous 12:37:49 <Bjarni> so if there is a road with a speed limit of say 50 km/h and a lot of cars drive say 70 or 80, so schoolchildren do not dare to cross it, they aren't allowed to do anything about it unless they assign somebody to keep an eye on the road and then they can only do anything while he is present 12:38:31 <mikk36_> i still let people across the road.. even when i drive at 70 12:39:24 <Gonozal_VIII> you have to if there is a zebra crossing.. 12:39:25 <Bjarni> then you are an unusual driver 12:39:54 <mikk36_> driving at 70 and letting people cross the road is not the same as driving at 50 and ignorantly not letting people across 12:40:01 <Bjarni> that's another issue. Most cars fail to stop there 12:40:34 <Gonozal_VIII> i always stop there if somebody wants to cross and it's safe for me to stop 12:40:42 <mikk36_> exactly 12:40:59 <mikk36_> mainly the only thing i break is the speed limit 12:41:03 <mikk36_> i try to obey other laws 12:42:01 <Bjarni> I once failed to stop in driving school. Some kid wanted to cross, but were hiding behind a parked car. I didn't see him before I was like 5 meters away... too close to stop because the car behind me didn't kept a distance, so he would hit me if I stopped 12:42:20 <mikk36_> yeah 12:42:21 <mikk36_> well 12:42:29 <Bjarni> my driving instructor said that it was ok not to stop in that case, but the kid out there got a problem due to the illegally parted car 12:42:36 <mikk36_> these kind of happenings should be forgiven by both police and driving instructor 12:42:49 <mikk36_> yeah 12:42:51 <Gonozal_VIII> i once had a car in front of me that stopped at a zebra crossing.. but not from a safe distance.. slammed in the brakes and i had to do the same... i had enough distance but the car behind me almost hit me 12:43:11 <mikk36_> :) 12:43:18 <mikk36_> happened to me few times 12:43:40 <mikk36_> also.. u have to know ur brakes.. because the one behind u might have bad ones :) 12:43:53 <mikk36_> to know ur brakes to not break too quickly 12:44:20 <Gonozal_VIII> had to, otherwise i would have hit the car in front of me 12:44:53 <mikk36_> i usually break very hard at first, then release a bit (so the one behind me would notice me quicker but after that give him some room to break) 12:45:27 <Bjarni> I once stopped just before I entered a T-cross so I didn't block the road to the right (with cars waiting to get out) and I would not have been able to leave it because in front of me cars were waiting at a red light. The car behind me didn't noticed that I stopped so far from the car in front of me, hit the brakes really quickly in the last sec and used the horn 12:45:30 <mikk36_> so far it's worked nicely in jams 12:47:01 <Bjarni> why would anybody use the horn in that case? 12:47:02 <Gonozal_VIII> i prefer to go by train anyways.. or bus/tram inside the city 12:47:56 <Gonozal_VIII> some way to release the shock? 12:48:15 <Bjarni> we don't have tramlines anymore. In the 60s, the politicians said that everybody would be able to get cars in the future, so they closed them and opened bus lines for the kids 12:48:24 <Bjarni> didn't work out the way they expected 12:48:58 <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't want to go through a big city by car at rush hour.. 12:48:59 <Bjarni> and now traffic is impossible to get through because the roads can't handle that many cars 12:49:47 <Gonozal_VIII> in a tram, even if it's also stuck in traffic, you can always relax 12:50:20 <Bjarni> a tram uses way less space on the road for each person it transport 12:51:09 <Bjarni> so if everybody used the trams, people would not get jammed that often 12:51:13 <Gonozal_VIII> especially if there is only one guy in most cars 12:51:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51:33 <mikk36_> 2 in the morning.. 1 during the day here 12:52:07 <Bjarni> I tend to drive alone because nobody ever wants to go in the same direction as me 12:52:10 <Bjarni> :( 12:52:26 <Bjarni> if I'm going north, then everybody else appears to go south and so on 12:52:51 <mikk36_> and why are u sad about it ? 12:52:55 <Gonozal_VIII> at least you won't get stuck in traffic then 12:53:06 <mikk36_> at least u got a nice reason to drive alone :) 12:53:59 <Bjarni> I do get stuck in traffic... because the roads are full of people with different origins then me and I don't know any of them, so we can't share any cars 12:54:56 <Bjarni> well, both my environmental and community consciousness tells me not to be so selfish and drive alone 12:54:59 * mikk36_ hasn't owned monthly public transportation ticket for 4 months already :P 12:55:10 <Bjarni> but public transportation sucks where I'm going 12:55:18 <Bjarni> 25 minutes by car 12:55:24 <mikk36_> lucky for u 12:55:40 <mikk36_> if i'm lucky, i get to my moms work with 25 minutes 12:55:46 <mikk36_> when the roads are emoty 12:55:48 <mikk36_> empty 12:55:49 <Bjarni> more than an hour with public transportation and only once every 20th minute 12:56:03 <mikk36_> but when there's traffic... usually 40-50 minutes 12:56:07 <mikk36_> 16km to drive 12:56:57 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm in a small town (900 people), about 10 busses per day here.. 12:58:04 <Bjarni> research shows that to get enough people to use public transportation, there have to be one connection every 20th minute or the risk of long waiting time will be so long that people start to figure out alternative means of transportation 12:58:46 <Bjarni> the local railroads are all planning to have a train every 20th minute based on this. The increased level of passengers will pay for the extra trains 12:59:55 <Bjarni> one every 30th minute will make people look at schedules. One every 20th minute will make people just show up and that means that you will also get the people, who will for some reason or another not look at schedules 12:59:55 <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't here... a train every hour with 3 cars, most of the time almost empty 13:00:37 <Bjarni> that's more rarely than one every 20th minute, so people find other means of transportation 13:00:58 <Bjarni> then again, maybe you just are too few people to allow proper service nomatter how often they drive 13:01:06 <Bjarni> bbl lunch 13:01:37 *** Azio [~Azio@host86-140-2-231.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:02:20 <Gonozal_VIII> the station is on the other side of the lake, you have to go there by boat... the boat ride takes about 15 minutes... they would have to use more than one boat if there would be more trains... don't think that they would do that 13:03:18 <mikk36_> pretty 'ouch' location then 13:03:57 <Gonozal_VIII> that's why i have to go by car for shopping and such 13:04:34 <mikk36_> how do i open otts so that i can close the console window after starting the game ? 13:04:38 <mikk36_> ottd* 13:04:39 <Azio> hey chaps :> is "transfer cargo" completely removed from 0.4.8 and other versions? I've had it working, if anybody knows a nightly that supports it at least (even if it is slightly broken) please let me know, thanks :D 13:05:12 <Gonozal_VIII> transfer is not there? 13:06:19 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaand what console window? 13:06:42 <mikk36_> the one i start it from 13:06:47 <mikk36_> with ./openttd 13:06:59 <Gonozal_VIII> <-- windows 13:07:07 <mikk36_> brr 13:08:29 <Gonozal_VIII> i start it through console to with a .bat on the desktop because then it opens at the same size that it had when i closed it... 13:08:49 <Azio> Gonozal_VIII: cargo transfer :D 13:08:51 <mikk36_> erm 13:09:01 <mikk36_> Gonozal_VIII, it does that with usual shortcut too 13:09:05 <Gonozal_VIII> i know what transfer... but isn't that in every version? 13:09:09 <mikk36_> it saves the width and height in the config 13:09:11 <Azio> nope i dont think so 13:09:11 <Gonozal_VIII> no it doesn't 13:09:17 <Azio> transfer doesnt seem to work for me at all now 13:09:28 <mikk36_> it does, Gonozal_VIII :P 13:09:28 <Azio> 0.4.7 seemed to work iirc, but 0.4.8 not any functionality at all 13:09:33 <Gonozal_VIII> not under winxp 13:09:37 <Azio> i do know the functionality has been "troublesome at best" 13:09:38 <Gonozal_VIII> something broken... 13:09:39 <mikk36_> under winxp :P 13:09:52 <Gonozal_VIII> always windowed with desktop link 13:10:11 <Gonozal_VIII> 0.5.0? 13:10:20 <mikk36_> haven't touched it 13:10:23 <mikk36_> in win 13:10:35 <Gonozal_VIII> that was to azio... 13:10:38 <mikk36_> k 13:10:40 <Azio> heh 13:10:41 <Azio> ahh 13:10:42 <Gonozal_VIII> windowed thing is with miniin 13:10:52 <Azio> 0.4.8 13:11:03 <Azio> 0.4.7 had some issues but cargo transfer worked, im sure of it 13:11:15 <Azio> ive had people say "no it didnt actually" but meh, i know im not imagining this 13:11:16 <Azio> heh 13:11:42 <Azio> i remember actually seeing myself get the money for transfers but now it calculates the money and shows me, but its not actually deposited, 13:12:02 <Azio> dont spose anybody at all has a nightly of it that might work? 13:12:09 <Gonozal_VIII> had a version where cargo transfer worked but only where it wasn't realy needed... so everywhere but at stations that accept the transferred goods 13:12:21 <mikk36_> Azio, u will get the money later 13:12:28 <Azio> heh mikk36, really? 13:12:31 <mikk36_> when u take stuff to it's final destination 13:12:38 <Azio> ahhhh really? 13:12:40 <Azio> i didnt notice this 13:12:43 <mikk36_> :) 13:12:46 <Azio> heh 13:12:53 <Azio> mikk36 im not sure if i was getting it at all tbh 13:13:08 <mikk36_> at least it should be that way 13:13:13 <Azio> heh cause i specifically build a point to point 13:13:18 <Azio> and then moved coal in from 3 locations to check 13:13:21 <Azio> no luck so far 13:13:29 <Gonozal_VIII> otherwise you could generate money by transferring stuff from one place to the other and back all the time^^ 13:13:39 <Azio> yeah 13:13:41 <Azio> sure 13:13:56 <Azio> so im unloading 13:14:07 <Azio> isnt working well at all :< oh well 13:14:39 <Azio> maybe i can find peace in an enlarged menu gui 13:14:45 <Azio> lol 13:14:47 <Gonozal_VIII> should work, if the cargo still has it's original source stored (from bla) 13:14:53 <Azio> mmm Gonozal_VIII 13:14:59 <Azio> xx tones from yy station 13:15:07 <Azio> thats what ithought 13:15:13 <Azio> was depressing to see 14k a trip gothrough 13:15:18 <Azio> and my last carriers earning 2k ;< 13:15:22 <Azio> on short round trips 13:15:32 <Azio> and no monies reaching bank 13:15:36 <Azio> it must be broke ;D 13:15:37 <Gonozal_VIII> short trips never generated that much money 13:15:54 <Azio> yeah but mikk36 said i should be getting the "transfer money" at the end 13:16:17 <Azio> so instead of 2k i should be seeing like 20 13:16:18 <Azio> heh 13:16:38 <Azio> if that makes any sense at all ;\ 13:17:35 <Azio> heh oh well 13:17:37 <Gonozal_VIII> i think the transfer money is the money you would get if that would be the end of transport line... but the time counts on and you get much less money for longer transportation time 13:17:39 <Azio> today i live without transfers :D 13:17:50 <Azio> oh, really 13:17:54 <Azio> maybe dude 13:18:24 <Azio> i still cant get a straight answer from anyone on whether its compiled into 0.4.8 / 0.4.7/ latest betas or nightlies or older nightlies 13:18:24 <Azio> heh 13:18:35 <Azio> maybe ive just got it into my head that this is the problem 13:18:52 <Gonozal_VIII> try 0.5.0 13:19:01 <Azio> heh 13:19:10 <Azio> shucks ill have to reocmpile it on the production server i run 13:19:11 <Azio> heh 13:19:17 * Azio grmbles 13:19:18 <Azio> heh 13:19:36 <Azio> dont suppose theres a stable 0.5.0? :P 13:19:48 <Gonozal_VIII> rc1... 13:20:21 <Azio> heh okies 13:20:22 <Azio> ill give it a try 13:20:31 <Azio> thanks for your help dude 13:20:41 <Gonozal_VIII> np 13:20:43 <Azio> merry christmas 13:21:07 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks, you to 13:21:12 <Azio> :) 13:21:20 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm 13:23:16 <Gonozal_VIII> back to the window thing... i know that it stores the window size and should open it at the last used size.. but it doesn't when launched by a desktop link 13:24:47 <Gonozal_VIII> it does, when i launch it with a .bat with the lines: cd gamedirbla OpenTTD.exe in it 13:30:20 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 13:42:18 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 13:45:08 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p50908B69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:48:24 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.30] has joined #openttd 13:48:27 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.30] has quit [] 13:48:41 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp0-126.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Aloysha] 13:49:12 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N921P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:22 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N751P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:04:04 *** DNazarov [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:18 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 14:06:44 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:08:21 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176104129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 14:25:56 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 14:46:40 <Wolf01> i was thinking about optimizing my daylength patch, it is almost all "DAY_TICKS/_patches_daylength", there is a way to divide DAY_TICKS one time for all AND make possible to change it runtime? 14:48:37 *** Sacro_ [Ben@adsl-83-100-195-194.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:48:37 *** Sacro|Out [Ben@adsl-83-100-195-194.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:50:17 <MeusH> how about making just one change: define DAY_TICKS = what was before / _patches_daylength 14:50:33 <MeusH> instead of adding /_patches_daylength to all DAY_TICKS occurencies? 14:50:43 <Wolf01> because i need to tune it ingame 14:51:06 <MeusH> ok 14:51:18 <MeusH> GetDayTicks()? 14:52:23 <MeusH> what do you actually need? 14:52:37 <Wolf01> have you ever seen the miniIN? 14:52:47 <MeusH> yes 14:52:54 <MeusH> but not recent versions 14:53:19 <Wolf01> ok, i'm the developer of the daylength patch but to mantain better it i need to optimize it a little 14:53:49 <MeusH> by optimizing you mean both speeding up the code and cleaning it up visually? 14:53:50 <Wolf01> (sacro doesn't count as developer of daylength, because he wrote a single line) 14:53:54 <Wolf01> yes 14:54:33 <MeusH> fast code is usually mutually exclusive with nice looking code :D 14:55:09 <Wolf01> what i need is to avoid to patch 1000 files with only DAT_TICKS -> DAY_TICKS/_patches_daylength 14:56:09 <MeusH> if there is no way to tweak a constant (I assume DAY_TICKS is a defined constant), you can leave that changes or use a function like GetDayTicks, which will look nicer, but it will of course take a bit more time 15:00:41 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB73F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:56 *** ufoun [~opera@85.207.18.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:24 *** ufoun [~opera@85.207.18.146] has joined #openttd 15:14:55 <Bjarni> that depends 15:14:59 <Bjarni> you could make it inline 15:15:26 <Wolf01> mmmm, what does mean this error? 15:15:27 <Wolf01> In file included from C:/msys/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/3.4.5/../../../../include/stdio.h:26, 15:15:27 <Wolf01> from ai/trolly/../../stdafx.h:6, 15:15:27 <Wolf01> from ai/trolly/trolly.c:20: 15:15:27 <Wolf01> C:/msys/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/3.4.5/include/stddef.h:213: error: syntax error before "typedef" 15:15:28 <Wolf01> make: *** [ai/trolly/trolly.o] Error 1 15:15:43 <Bjarni> then you get nice code and only got the real stuff in one place while optimisation would make nearly the same code 15:15:55 <Rubidium> Wolf01: any local modifications? 15:16:25 <Wolf01> i modified the trolly.c for the daylength patch 15:16:59 <Wolf01> but like the other files i only did DAT_TICKS -> DAY_TICKS/_patches.day_length 15:17:51 <Rubidium> hmm, did you change stdafx.h or add/changed anything before _or_ on line 20 of trolly.c? 15:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, not the transfer money, the money for the overall trip 15:18:06 <Bjarni> either you made a typo or you did something inside a typedef 15:18:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> *mental note* don't reply to buffer 15:18:29 <Wolf01> nothing of these 15:18:52 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: have you been drinking? 15:19:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, actually 15:19:36 <Bjarni> then that's the problem. You are low on water 15:19:38 <Wolf01> mmm maybe i found 15:19:38 <Rubidium> Wolf01: then I do not know what caused it 15:20:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> actually, drinking alcohol drains you of water 15:20:28 <Bjarni> I didn't ask what you were drinking 15:20:33 <Wolf01> i don't know how it happened, but there is a "f" on the first char of the source, maybe when i pressed ctrl+f 15:20:39 <Bjarni> you just assumed alcohol, but I didn't say that 15:21:08 <Bjarni> Wolf01: that could cause some problems ;) 15:22:02 <Rubidium> so after all, he has changed something before line 20 of trolly.c :) 15:22:38 <Bjarni> looks like it 15:23:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: the joy of language, people may speak the same thing, but it can have completely different meanings 15:23:36 <Wolf01> mmm i think is changed something in the date functions, the daylength has no effect 15:25:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, how can i prevent the kernel from turning off DMA each time the hd mentions the slightest kind of error 15:26:29 <Bjarni> replace the HD if it starts to talk about hardware errors 15:26:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> i am rescuing the HD ;) 15:27:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> only on each read error, it disables DMA, it seems 15:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> so it copies the good sectors at 1/10th speed 15:28:33 <Bjarni> well... you are not going anywhere 15:28:54 <Bjarni> you can wait a few extra hours for it to complete or you can spend 2 days speeding it up 15:28:55 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage] 15:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it's not the problem that it takes ages to copy, but it shuts down DMA on both drives on the IDE 15:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> so each other action i might do in the meantime takes ages, too 15:29:47 <Bjarni> don't connect them to the same bus 15:29:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> the other drive contains my root partition 15:30:01 <Bjarni> that would seriously slow down the optical drive though 15:30:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i am kinda out of busses to connect to 15:30:31 <Bjarni> use your old computer to do this 15:30:53 <Bjarni> do I have to tell you everything? 15:31:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> the next older computer cannot understand drives > 32GB 15:31:30 <Bjarni> you are making this complicated :P 15:31:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is my speciality ;) 15:32:23 <Bjarni> but... you only got one bus? 15:32:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, i have a second bus, but it is already full 15:32:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> you know, i need a disk to copy this stuff to, too ;) 15:33:36 <Bjarni> take the defective HD from bus 1 and place it on bus 2. The HD you removed from bus 2 to make room can then be connected to bus 1 15:33:59 <Bjarni> clever, isn't it? 15:36:44 <Bjarni> hmm, no reply 15:37:01 <Bjarni> maybe he will not admit to being outsmarted :P 15:44:20 <Bjarni> is this thing on? 15:44:25 <Bjarni> I lack feedback :s 15:44:31 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 15:44:31 <Bjarni> !logs 15:44:41 <Bjarni> ok, I didn't lose my connection 15:44:45 <Bjarni> the channel just died 15:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> sorry, had to go away 15:50:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's christmas, you have to spend time with your family occasionally 15:51:28 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.30] has joined #openttd 15:51:35 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.30] has quit [] 15:51:56 <Bjarni> your what? 15:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> you know, the persons that always bug you to finish studying finally 15:55:05 <Bjarni> oh those people 15:55:06 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:19 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:55:54 <Born_Acorn> I can't drink. :( 15:55:59 <Born_Acorn> I'm tonights driver. :( 15:56:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is probably bad planning of yours ;) 15:56:24 * Bjarni thanks Born_Acorn for this completely random outburst 15:56:32 <Bjarni> why should we care? 15:56:41 <Bjarni> in fact we prefer you to stay sober 15:56:44 <Bjarni> or... 15:57:08 <Bjarni> well, you aren't here while drinking, so... 15:57:20 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: do as I do 15:57:38 <Bjarni> never drink 15:57:56 <Bjarni> then it's not a bad event not to drink 15:57:58 <Bjarni> brb 15:58:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: you forget something, for everything you don't do, you need some replacement to do 15:59:19 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:59:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:00:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> and i should not stare on the progress of my copying :p 16:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> let's see if i find a boring movie to watch 16:01:46 <Bjarni> back 16:02:17 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: turn on the TV. If there is a movie, it's a boring movie 16:02:38 <Bjarni> Movies in German, that was not German when being recorderd = boring and lame 16:03:02 <MeusH> we have a proverb "Czech movie" 16:03:19 <MeusH> about something noone can understand; very lame, stupid and/or complicated movie 16:03:44 <Bjarni> hehe 16:03:53 <MeusH> and not only movie 16:03:57 <MeusH> book, event, everything 16:03:58 <MeusH> Czechs also have a proverb like this: "Spanish village" 16:04:09 <Bjarni> reminds me of when I saw the lord of the rings the first time. It was that cartoon thing 16:04:19 <Bjarni> I saw all of it, but never understood any of it 16:04:30 <MeusH> :) 16:04:58 <Bjarni> oddly drawn, odd talk and skipping a lot from the book 16:05:20 <Bjarni> and ended when they entered Moria (thinking back, I presume that it was Moria) 16:06:11 <Bjarni> later I learned that everybody, who read the books flamed this movie big time for being odd and not telling the story 16:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> grr... i fucking hate this "feature" of turning off DMA 16:06:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> can't this be disabled? 16:07:01 <Bjarni> why #RIAA and ask if the DMA can be turned off 16:07:03 <Bjarni> :P 16:07:25 <Bjarni> s/why/try 16:13:30 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB73F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 16:14:41 <CIA-1> rubidium * r7558 /trunk/economy.c: -Fix (FS#464): do not wait till a crashed vehicle is removed before starting to load other vehicles. 16:22:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... "Rotkäppchenverschwörung"... let's see if this is any good... 16:22:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:24:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 16:25:43 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:53:28 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:43 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:58:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 17:03:10 *** MVV [54321@212.58.185.47] has joined #openttd 17:04:12 *** jnmbk [~jnmbk@85.97.88.35] has joined #openttd 17:09:23 <MVV> yesterday i've tried to play with my friend by internet but after connection he was on server only 5-7 seconds and disconnected; the reason is my instability of my dial-up or it's possible to change some options to make the game more stable from disconnections? 17:10:04 <Wolf01> net_frame_freq = xxx 17:10:04 <Wolf01> max_join_time = yyy 17:11:10 <Wolf01> max_join_time default is 500 if i'm not wrong 17:11:40 <MVV> and how does it work? (net_frame_freq) what does it mean? 17:12:23 <Wolf01> if you set high, you give more time to join the game (best for slow connections) 17:13:10 <Wolf01> net_frame_freq is the sync packet i think 17:13:23 <Wolf01> or how many packets are sent in one second 17:13:35 <Wolf01> or something else 17:14:53 <MVV> i'll better read README :) 17:16:14 <Wolf01> i use them only if i really need it, or when the dedicated server advert me to do it 17:18:07 <MVV> oh! one more question: option <LAN/inet//inet(adv)> in starting a server determines only visibility? 17:22:34 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.30] has joined #openttd 17:22:37 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.30] has quit [] 17:22:43 <jnmbk> hi, what does --with-iconv do in ./configure ? 17:22:58 <jnmbk> what's iconv :) 17:24:24 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-163-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:24:46 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-130-198.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Frostregen_))] 17:25:03 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 17:25:38 <MVV> net_sync_freq The amount of frames to check if the game is still in sync. Default value: 100 17:25:52 <MVV> I've found ithis string is EXE :) 17:26:00 <MVV> *in EXE 17:26:24 <MVV> and net_frame_freq The amount of frames before a command will be (visibly) executed. Default value: 1 17:27:58 *** egladil [~egladil@h91n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:05 <MeusH> MiHaMiX! 17:29:11 *** egladil [~egladil@h91n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:29:16 <hylje> hm 17:29:32 <Wolf01> meush if you have some infos about the ttdpatch eyecandy you should tell it to frostregen 17:29:47 <hylje> would someone arse to implement a re-sync 17:29:57 <MVV> disconnection in 0.5.0 occures bye disonchronization or bacaese of some another reason? 17:30:00 <hylje> ie. not throw desynced player off the server, just force reload 17:31:13 <MeusH> allright 17:32:05 <MVV> as I can remember in 0.4.0 when I played in LAN disconnections didn't occure but only appeared string blinking in the corner ("desync..." or something else) 17:33:00 <Wolf01> another way to avoid desyncs is to avoid moving around the map continuously 17:33:58 <hylje> i havent found moving around desyncing 17:34:19 <hylje> i rarely stay in the same spot for more than a few seconds 17:34:23 <hylje> that's on ottdcoop 17:35:16 <MeusH> Wolf01, keep an eye at http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=28517 17:36:26 <Wolf01> yes i read there 17:36:47 <Wolf01> so is only a concept for now? 17:38:54 <jnmbk> when is iconv used in openttd? 17:40:43 <jnmbk> and which source file creates the default config file? 17:41:14 <glx> settings.c 17:44:55 <mattt_> any plans to improve signal placement? like being able to put them on squares with more than on 'piece' of track ^_^ 17:45:27 <hylje> you can, but you can only have one type of signal 17:46:11 <mattt_> i get 'no suitable railway track' errors when i try 17:46:25 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:46:37 <hylje> no, you cant set them on junctions 17:51:01 <mattt_> how do you improve the percentage of good/product shipped? it seems like my trains are waiting a long time at a particular station, yet the industry they service has a low percentage of goods shipped 17:52:30 <jnmbk> one more question: what is --with-directmusic ? is it useful on linux? 17:52:35 <hylje> mattt_: shorter trains 17:52:37 <hylje> jnmbk: no 17:52:42 <jnmbk> ok 17:53:23 <Bjarni> jnmbk: what would you want it to do on linux? 17:53:38 <mattt_> hylje: so more frequent shipments with smaller volume.. my trains are only 4 or 5 cars long.. i was doing 10 per train for a while but realised that wasn't working so well 17:54:21 <jnmbk> Bjarni: I thought maybe it can play music and there would be no need for timidity :P 17:54:25 <Bjarni> the rating and payment stuff aren't working well because speed is way too important 17:54:47 <Bjarni> jnmbk: no, Cocoa can do that :P 17:55:12 <Bjarni> but then you need to support cocoa 18:00:58 <jnmbk> btw openttd window has an X icon in kde is there a way to fix it? 18:02:30 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:07:55 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:10:12 <Biff> jnmbk: fullscreen? 18:10:34 <jnmbk> ? 18:11:00 <jnmbk> I'm talking about the icon on the left upper corner 18:11:15 <jnmbk> of openttd window 18:11:50 <jnmbk> Xorg's standart icon is shown there... 18:32:26 <mattt_> what is with the competitors (i assume) going insane with landscaping? 18:32:54 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:15 <Biff> mattt_: only without the new ai? 18:35:27 <mattt_> i'm not sure.. i'm using 0.4.8 18:35:54 <mattt_> i just had to build a ton of rail around an area i was building in because the land was changing a gazillion times per second 18:40:33 *** MVV [54321@212.58.185.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:49 <Biff> mattt_: yup, you can try enabling the new AI 18:40:57 <Biff> which is a bit smarter 18:41:08 <Biff> however it doesnt create rail yet 18:41:43 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:42:52 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-163-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:17 <glx> nor planes, nor ships :) 18:44:42 <mattt_> lol 18:45:01 <glx> but it's very good for roads 18:45:07 <mattt_> couple of my trains are loosin moola 18:45:13 <mattt_> dunno why :| 18:45:19 <Biff> moola? 18:45:22 <mattt_> money :P 18:45:46 <Biff> aha 18:46:05 <mattt_> electric just became available 18:46:17 <mattt_> right after i built a huge section of rail 18:48:07 <Biff> ok 18:52:35 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:53:09 <mattt_> is there a way to 'link' two separate stations which a very near to each other? should i just link them with a section of unused station? 18:53:23 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53:49 <Biff> i dont think you can do that 18:53:50 <MeusH> it's possible with Wolf01|AWAY's patch 18:54:15 <Biff> true 18:54:49 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:12 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE08.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:04:15 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB73F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:47 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB73F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:07:17 *** Hadez_away [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:09:13 <Hadez_away> Good evening... 19:09:56 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: PandaMojo] 19:13:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-204-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:14:27 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:26 *** MVV [54321@91.145.223.172] has joined #openttd 19:18:33 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176104129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:31:39 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:33:15 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #openttd 19:40:57 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:47 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:14 * Darkvater hates users :( 19:47:30 <Darkvater> I got the following email: 19:47:44 <Darkvater> subject OpenTTD, russian is not working... 19:47:45 <Darkvater> WTF? O_o 19:47:59 <peter1138> heh 19:48:01 * Darkvater can shoot such users. fucking asshole 19:48:03 <Darkvater> hiya peter1138 19:48:05 <peter1138> hello 19:48:46 <Rubidium> reply with subject: "OpenTTD, Russian $LUSER is not reading readme.txt..." :) 19:49:05 <Rubidium> or isn't it in the readme yet? 19:49:45 <Darkvater> well I told him something along the lines of don't even expect a reply to an email like this and go read 19:50:02 <MVV> I and my friend tried to change language on russian but instead of letters we see only '?' 19:50:24 <peter1138> . . . 19:50:29 * Bjarni unslaps Darkvater 19:50:41 <Bjarni> the mail I slapped you for not sending.... I got it today 19:50:47 <Bjarni> it just lagged for 3 days 19:51:13 <MVV> we use XPSP1 19:51:46 <peter1138> MVV: read the readme file 19:52:19 <MVV> Bjarni use e-mail instead of carrier pigeon :) 19:52:35 <Rubidium> peter1138: it is not documented in readme.txt (yet) 19:52:39 <peter1138> it is 19:52:53 <Bjarni> MVV: issue at the mail server 19:53:22 <Rubidium> ah, somewhere obscure, not really quickly findable though 19:54:45 <peter1138> perhaps someone can put http://fuzzle.org/o/russianw.grf somewhere sensible, and provide a link to it, and instructions on putting it in [newgrf-static] 19:54:46 <Bjarni> we need to improve documentation 19:54:59 <peter1138> after the bit about ttf fonts being prefered, heh 19:55:00 <Bjarni> and I don't mean using MYOB to do it like we once did :P 19:56:48 <Bjarni> I think the solution would be to increase the sprite limit and then always make the game able to access the Russian sprites 19:56:55 <Bjarni> until we do so, people will complain 19:57:09 <Bjarni> nomatter what we do 19:59:44 <Bjarni> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=533670#533670 <-- something related :P 19:59:46 <Darkvater> Bjarni: russian has nothing to do with the sprite limit 20:00:31 <Bjarni> well, it will use up sprite IDs if we load the GRF and can access those chars in addition to the current ones 20:00:55 <peter1138> $ svn diff | wc 20:00:57 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: PandaMojo] 20:00:57 <peter1138> 11475 97558 636323 20:01:01 <peter1138> o_O 20:01:04 <Bjarni> so in order not to make less sprites available for newgrf, we should not do this until the patch to increase the limit is bigger 20:01:17 <Bjarni> and yes, peter1138 wrote a lot on that feature 20:01:25 <Darkvater> Bjarni: it has NOTHING to do with it, trust me 20:01:41 <Darkvater> peter1138: what's cookin' ;) 20:02:01 <peter1138> Bjarni: you want the patch to be bigger? 20:02:05 <peter1138> Darkvater: sprite limit 20:02:08 <peter1138> Darkvater: as in, none 20:02:11 <Darkvater> and why would anyone want the russian sprites if they can use fonts? 20:02:13 <peter1138> well, 2^29ish 20:02:17 <Darkvater> peter1138: ooooh, nice nice :D 20:02:20 <peter1138> but yes 20:02:38 <Bjarni> <peter1138> Bjarni: you want the patch to be bigger? <-- only if it's needed to do this right 20:02:39 <peter1138> most of it is static table changes 20:03:17 <Darkvater> peter1138: weren't already symbolic names used there? Or you went some totally different directoin? 20:03:29 <peter1138> hmm? 20:03:40 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 20:03:44 <peter1138> well, there are two ways to increase the limit 20:04:25 <peter1138> one is to segment the sprites into features, which is how ttdp does it 20:04:36 <peter1138> the other is to split the palette map off from the sprite id 20:05:20 <Darkvater> so how would that look? struct sprite {int32 id, byte palette} ? 20:05:37 <peter1138> byte palette? hehe 20:05:47 <peter1138> i left a SpriteID as 32 bit 20:06:09 <peter1138> and changed PalSpriteID to { SpriteID id, SpriteID palette } 20:06:13 <Darkvater> well byte would also include recolour, transparency, whatever 20:06:20 <peter1138> (cos palettes are sprites) 20:07:34 <peter1138> anyway, it's "a bit" large :/ 20:07:42 <peter1138> and i had to poolise the spritecache 20:07:55 <peter1138> (which was pretty easy) 20:08:41 <Darkvater> hehe, I can imagine, can't keep a few billion static sprite cache 20:08:52 <peter1138> :) 20:08:55 *** Athland [~script@18.Red-80-37-191.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:02 *** Athland is now known as Athorium 20:09:03 <Athorium> hi 20:09:08 <MeusH> hi 20:09:09 <peter1138> that bit can be separated off 20:09:16 <peter1138> but it's only about 8KB 20:09:18 <Athorium> hey MeusH ^^ 20:09:40 <peter1138> without newgrfs, only about 6000 sprites are used, so it can save a tiny bit, heh 20:11:02 <peter1138> Darkvater: annoyingly, i've only managed to get up to about 24000 sprites... 20:11:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:10 <Darkvater> peter1138: haha :) 20:12:24 <Darkvater> OMG I have to get at 5AM to bring away the old folks :s 20:12:43 <peter1138> you are the reaper? 20:12:52 <Darkvater> tot he airport 20:13:05 <Bjarni> so you got to make old folks flying 20:13:17 <Noldo> give them wings 20:13:23 <Bjarni> that didn't really answer peter1138's question 20:13:31 <Darkvater> so I have to bid you farewell 20:13:41 <MeusH> !seen MiHaMiX 20:13:43 <_42_> MeusH, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel. 20:13:44 <Darkvater> if I don't got to bed within the hour I will be a hazard on the road ;p 20:13:48 <MeusH> ... 20:13:52 <MeusH> !seen MiHaMi 20:13:52 <_42_> MeusH, MiHaMi? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember MiHaMi. 20:13:56 <MeusH> ahhh 20:13:58 <MeusH> !seen MiHaMi* 20:14:00 <_42_> MeusH, I found one match to your query: MiHaMiX. MiHaMiX (~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu) was last seen rejoining #openttd from a netsplit 4 days 9 hours 2 minutes ago (21.12. 11:11) MiHaMiX is still there. 20:14:04 <Bjarni> Darkvater: they are heading for Hungary, right? 20:14:09 <Darkvater> nop 20:14:10 <peter1138> so who wants this 600KB commit? ;-) 20:14:36 <Athorium> Darkvater 20:14:39 <Bjarni> peter1138: I would not mind downloading it, but I would not like to read it ;) 20:14:41 <Darkvater> well split off the table stuff and the actual changes 20:14:47 <Darkvater> peter1138: still on dial-up? 20:14:50 <peter1138> yeah 20:14:52 <Athorium> Darkvater: u can change my forum post to correct forum section? 20:15:04 <peter1138> it's repetitive though, so should compress well ;) 20:15:12 <Darkvater> Athorium: link? 20:15:22 <Athorium> here or PM? 20:15:30 <peter1138> heh 20:15:32 *** MVV [54321@91.145.223.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:33 <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 peter peter 636323 2006-12-25 20:16 32bitsprite7.diff 20:15:33 <Darkvater> peter1138: we will need to rethink this newgrf-static thing I think 20:15:35 <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 peter peter 60433 2006-12-25 20:16 32bitsprite7.diff.gz 20:15:36 <Darkvater> Athorium: just pate it 20:15:39 <Athorium> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=29228 20:15:48 <peter1138> oh? 20:16:02 <Darkvater> gaaaaah 20:16:15 <Darkvater> I closed opera, now all forum posts are read :( 20:16:16 <Darkvater> dammit 20:16:16 <Bjarni> <Athorium> here or PM? <-- it's just one line and you used one line by asking. You could just have written it from the start :P 20:16:23 * peter1138 attempts uploading 20:16:37 <peter1138> Darkvater: ah... i was logged out earlier :( 20:16:37 <MeusH> Darkvater, try goback.php (or something like that) 20:16:41 <Darkvater> Athorium: openttd graphics or ttd graphics? 20:16:42 <Athorium> ¿? Bjarni I no understand what u mean... 20:17:15 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 20:17:15 <Bjarni> if you are going to use one line in here anyway, make it include the link in question right away. It would have saved time 20:17:29 <Athorium> Darkvater: Is for OpenTTD at first, but TTDP and OTTD no uses same graphic style? 20:18:08 <Athorium> Bjarni: I posted in other line because I waited Darkvater response... 20:18:25 *** Neonox [~Neonox@offb-590ebce5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:18:34 <Darkvater> Athorium: I'll move it to ttdp graphics forum. Almost all gfx devvin goes on there 20:18:44 <Darkvater> Athorium: moved 20:18:55 <Athorium> ¿? TTDP? But I have OpenTTD... :S 20:19:24 <Darkvater> OMG 20:19:24 <Bjarni> luckily we share grf format 20:19:32 <Darkvater> Athorium: the gfx format is the same 20:19:38 <Bjarni> bbl 20:19:43 <Darkvater> OMG VS2005 SP1 needs 6GB of free space to get it installed 20:19:51 <peter1138> ouch 20:20:10 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:20:37 <Athorium> Darkvater: Ah allright, but, when I try to add it on OpenTTD (or a coder) can do it on OpenTTD... no? 20:21:14 <Athorium> what is BS2005? 20:21:19 <Athorium> * VS2005 20:21:28 <Darkvater> Athorium: you can add it to openttd 20:21:34 <jnmbk> - Feature: Add an icon to the SDL openttd executable (r5872), I can't see any icon... 20:21:56 <Darkvater> could be that someone screwed up the installer 20:22:21 <MeusH> talking about installer 20:22:31 <MeusH> are we going to include some kind of font selector? 20:22:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:53 <MeusH> or we'll rely on users reading readmes on how-to get utf-8 characters working? 20:23:29 <MeusH> I'm afraid we'll get loads of spam concerning missing chars or problems choosing fonts 20:23:29 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:23:45 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7A1F3.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:23:46 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/sprlimit.diff.gz is anyone's bored enough to have a play 20:23:56 <peter1138> i shall now leave my phoneline in peace 20:24:03 <Darkvater> haha 20:24:12 <MeusH> also, peter1138, could you include small.bdf? AFAIK this is the only nice looking small font 20:25:26 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7A1F3.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:43 <Darkvater> so, I bid you farewell :) 20:25:53 <peter1138> au reservoir 20:25:55 <Darkvater> MeusH: well at least people will read a readme if it doesn't work 20:25:56 <Darkvater> gn all 20:26:03 <MeusH> goodnight 20:26:12 <MeusH> But i'm not sure about people reading readme 20:26:13 <peter1138> lol, they won't :P 20:26:18 <MeusH> read: people 20:26:22 <MeusH> stupid animals 20:26:26 <MeusH> killing penguins 20:26:30 <MeusH> bastards 20:27:03 <Athorium> someone looked my alternative townbuildnoroads post? :S 20:27:46 <Athorium> MeusH: 90% of people no read the readme :P 20:29:36 <Athorium> uhmmm, hello? 20:30:37 <MeusH> hey 20:31:07 <Athorium> fiuf... MeusH you are coder? 20:31:23 <MeusH> not that good, but let's say I am :) 20:31:35 <MeusH> but not a nfo coder 20:31:41 <MeusH> I'm looking for a nfo coder btw 20:31:55 <Athorium> oh, u are a graphic designer 20:32:20 <MeusH> also 20:33:14 <Athorium> ok, u can give me your opinion about my Renfe 446, I only maded the head, now I making the middle and last wa Gonozal_VIII 20:33:30 <Athorium> * last wagon 20:33:30 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm? 20:33:32 <MeusH> can you give me the link? 20:33:45 <Athorium> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=29228 20:34:05 <Athorium> Gonozal_VIII: nothing, this f*** script... 20:34:16 <Athorium> MeusH: is my first graphic design 20:34:17 <Gonozal_VIII> kk 20:34:31 <MeusH> ok 20:34:34 <MeusH> I'll reply soon 20:34:55 <Athorium> ok ^^ 20:37:27 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?652425 <--- don't do that at home 20:40:52 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB73F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:03 <Bjarni> no replies.... maybe you all tried to do stuff like that 20:42:06 *** MVV [54321@91.145.204.108] has joined #openttd 20:43:27 <MVV> heh ... this server OFTC is interesting for such thing that with reconnect it scans a couple of my ports :) 20:43:30 <MeusH> ahh seems I do get it :) 20:43:42 <hylje> MVV: larger networks tend to do that 20:45:25 <Bjarni> yeah 20:45:43 <Bjarni> we are not allowed to do portscans, but if we are big enough, we can do it anyway 20:46:23 <Bjarni> just like if you earn money, you pay tax and if you earn a lot of money, you pay a lot and if you make a fortune, you pay nothing 20:47:18 <MVV> also it's funny that i reconnect to this server in several times faster than to the server which is situated in 150 km from me 20:48:23 <Bjarni> I once connected faster to a server in Stockholm than a server 20 km away from me (and I'm not in Sweden) 20:48:26 <MVV> irc.oftc.net i suppose it's somewhere in USA ? 20:48:41 <MVV> i am in Ukraine :) 20:48:41 <Rubidium> it's all around the world 20:48:50 <hylje> it depends on the pipe used 20:49:22 <Rubidium> the wonders of round-robin dns 20:49:33 <MeusH> netstat reveals nice things... what's the equivalent command for linux 20:49:34 <MeusH> ? 20:49:40 <MeusH> sorry 20:49:40 <Rubidium> dig 20:49:41 <MeusH> tracert 20:49:47 <Rubidium> traceroute 20:50:09 <hylje> netstat is available for linux 20:50:17 <ln-> Bjarni: fixing -x'ed chmod is obviously a matter of writing a small C program that calls chmod(2). 20:50:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think i'm always redirected to reticulum.oftc.net when i connect to irc.oftc.net 20:50:45 <MVV> oh i see there are 7 IP's for irc.oftc.net 20:50:52 <Rubidium> then your ISP has a broken DNS server 20:50:53 <Bjarni> ln-: well, it would be way easier to to write that line in the first place ;) 20:51:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Eddi|zuHause2 ist auf dem Server reticulum.oftc.net (Berlin, Germany)." 20:51:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> "MVV ist auf dem Server osmosis.oftc.net (Grapevine, TX, USA)." 20:51:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Bjarni ist auf dem Server neutron.oftc.net (Vienna, Austria)." 20:52:41 <MVV> Eddi|zuHause2 how did you get this info? 20:52:50 <Bjarni> whois 20:53:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah 20:53:55 <Bjarni> so when I send something, it goes from me to Vienna, then Berlin and then to Eddi|zuHause2, who is in Germany, right? 20:54:07 <MVV> oh excatly :) all is simplier than i thought ... 20:54:26 <Bjarni> it's less logical to go through Texas to reach MVV, who is east of us, not west of us 20:54:56 <MVV> so i've been connected to usa server? osmosis.oftc.net (Grapevine, TX, USA) 20:55:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, obviously ;) 20:55:34 <MVV> it's strange why not austria for example? 20:56:03 <Rubidium> because osmosis.oftc.net was the first in the DNS list when you queried irc.oftc.net 20:56:58 <MVV> maybe i realy live in usa but all the people surrounding me lie me? :) 20:57:26 <Bjarni> speaking of bandwidth, I was once at uni and should download from tocows and I should find a mirror. I find one like 50 meters away from the unix server I was connected to. Speed was nice :D 20:58:06 <Rubidium> Bjarni: you aren't running your own mirror of it? 20:58:19 <MVV> so it may have a sense to ping all the seven IP's and connect directly to the fastest ? 20:58:28 <Biff> at school we are 2 hops from NIX =) 20:58:35 <Biff> (norwegian internet exchange) 20:59:13 <Rubidium> MVV: not really, as the round-robin is used to spread the load over all the IRC servers of OFTC 20:59:13 <Bjarni> Rubidium: not the university, but some company close to uni got a mirror 20:59:35 <Bjarni> since that company also happens to be ISP for uni, the bandwidth is rather good 21:00:22 <FlashFF> hey guys, little prob with a server 21:00:51 <FlashFF> i removed a blank company using reset_company # but now noone can create a company in that spot 21:01:05 <FlashFF> any ideas? 21:01:49 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 21:03:12 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.30] has joined #openttd 21:03:16 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.30] has left #openttd [] 21:03:38 <Rubidium> FlashFF: any chance it was a (new) AI company? 21:03:51 <Athorium> any coder to test my new creation? :( 21:04:28 <Rubidium> why would you need a coder to test a new creation? 21:04:43 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p5090C5BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:05:08 <mattt_> electric engines have come available but the rail conversion tool won't let me convert the rail 21:05:19 <[gen2]niki> hey 21:05:24 <MeusH> you must use electrified rail conversion tool 21:05:25 <[gen2]niki> how can i enlarge company timeout? 21:05:41 <mattt_> oh right, the train construction has a drop-down, eh? 21:05:44 <MeusH> yes 21:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> since september i have been connected to these servers: reticulum (186 times), neutron (32), quasar (7), kinetic (4), nobelium (1) 21:05:48 <[gen2]niki> i hate it that i loose my company everytime i log out and appear hours later. id like to have something of my game -,.- 21:06:18 <MeusH> [gen2]niki, are you a server or a client? 21:06:27 <MeusH> if client, dunno, try setting up a password 21:06:28 <FlashFF> Rubidium: it was in a network game, it was a standard players company, left for ages 21:06:38 <MeusH> passworded companies usually stay alive longer 21:06:48 <[gen2]niki> iam client and use a rootserver for my dedicated game. 21:06:49 <Rubidium> FlashFF: is it resolved when you delete the company again? 21:06:59 <FlashFF> looking at the source, there seems no reason why the reset_company command wouldnt clear it completely 21:07:10 <FlashFF> i cant delete it again, it doesnt exist according to the server 21:07:13 <[gen2]niki> the pwd only lasts 20 timeyears. its my server, it should last forever x-x 21:07:19 <FlashFF> but noone can crreate a new one 21:07:27 <FlashFF> it just sits on 6/6 Registering 21:07:53 *** Hadez_away [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:03 <[gen2]niki> the pwd protection should be changed 21:08:15 <[gen2]niki> like you can register a stuck account for a server if you plan to stay 21:08:19 <Rubidium> [gen2]niki: see the autoclean options in openttd.cfg 21:08:32 <[gen2]niki> hey the maximum is 20 gameyears 21:08:34 <[gen2]niki> thats it. 21:08:36 <[gen2]niki> poof, gone. 21:08:58 <Rubidium> FlashFF: you host the server, right? 21:09:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> switch off autoclean? 21:09:19 <FlashFF> yeah 21:09:26 <FlashFF> and just looked into it a bit more 21:09:28 <[gen2]niki> Eddi that cant be the salvation 21:09:30 <Rubidium> can you save the game, then reload the game and check whether it still happens 21:09:34 <FlashFF> it seems it not to do with tresetting the comp 21:09:40 <[gen2]niki> because.. then the server will be spammed with broken newb companys 21:09:49 <FlashFF> it wont let me create a new company if more than 8 clients are connected 21:10:16 <FlashFF> even if theres space 21:10:39 <Rubidium> hmm, no new companies with 8+ connected clients.. 21:11:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> then you should go to bugs.openttd.org, and make a proper feature request, with a detailed explanation on how you want it to work 21:11:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> or better: post a patch that does what you want it to do ;) 21:12:38 <[gen2]niki> thats easy said. a rcon command to protect selected players and companys from timeouting 21:14:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> did i say bugs.openttd.org? 21:14:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i think i did 21:14:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> can someone confirm? 21:14:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> sometimes i am making these things up 21:14:40 <hylje> :o 21:14:54 <FlashFF> yeah thats it 21:14:55 <[gen2]niki> that page sucks. i registrated and got no email for activation 21:15:17 <[gen2]niki> ;p 21:16:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... progress is at 26GB... i think this is still gonna take all night... 21:16:40 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 21:16:48 <FlashFF> Rubidium 21:17:00 <FlashFF> i just created a local server and ran 10 copies of ottd 21:17:11 <hylje> :o 21:17:16 <FlashFF> and when there was 8 players i created a company but when there were 9, it wouldnt 21:17:49 <[gen2]niki> 26 GB? 21:17:49 <guru3> 8 companies is the max 21:17:52 <hylje> company limit is 8 21:17:52 <[gen2]niki> o.o 21:17:54 <FlashFF> yeah 21:17:54 <hylje> player limit is 10 21:17:57 <FlashFF> but i mean clients 21:18:06 <FlashFF> if i have 9 people in 7 companies 21:18:13 <hylje> you can have several people in one company 21:18:13 <FlashFF> and 1 person joins, he cant make the last company 21:18:20 <hylje> :o 21:18:58 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:19:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> [gen2]niki: i am copying data from a (old) failed 40GB HD 21:19:48 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 21:20:07 <[gen2]niki> ah =( 21:20:29 <[gen2]niki> do you make a image of it or just copy & paste? 21:20:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> i am using dd directly on the disk 21:21:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> so yes, i am making an image 21:21:02 <[gen2]niki> like i thought ;p 21:21:12 <guru3> viva dd 21:21:12 <hylje> :o 21:21:24 <[gen2]niki> dd even can make images of blue ray discs on ps3 21:21:31 <hylje> :D 21:21:37 <[gen2]niki> its only a question of time until they can be cracked and played 21:22:05 <[gen2]niki> (i dont copy music videos or games, prefer having them legal btw) 21:22:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i'd have said the same thing in your position :p 21:22:41 <HMage> [gen2]niki: there's more than just data that DD can get. For example, discs have timing information that some Cd/DVD protection mechanisms use. 21:22:46 <guru3> aren't many games for linux :< 21:23:02 <hylje> you got ottd 21:23:08 <guru3> indeed i do 21:23:08 <hylje> and wc3 is really playable on wine 21:23:10 <hylje> what do you need 21:23:10 <[gen2]niki> there are quite many 21:23:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> what's wrong with supertux and frozen-bubble? 21:23:17 <[gen2]niki> but not too many professional games of course 21:23:21 <guru3> dun like wc3 21:23:41 <guru3> let me rephrase, aren't many games to buy for linux 21:24:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> linux and buy do not mix very well 21:24:10 <Athorium> yuhuuu I finished 446 'Dodotis' :D 21:24:14 <guru3> got that right eddi 21:24:26 <[gen2]niki> why? 21:24:29 <guru3> only thing you buy for linux is hardware 21:24:38 <guru3> and you can't download that to begin with 21:24:48 <hylje> download more ram 21:24:49 <[gen2]niki> just because there are no games on linux because they wont bring in portation costs for the companys? 21:24:51 <hylje> :-) 21:24:57 <[gen2]niki> that doesnt mean anything has to be free. 21:25:03 <[gen2]niki> the wierd ideology o.o 21:25:15 <[gen2]niki> and apart from reality ;p 21:25:20 <MVV> i want to live as long life as i need to see the install of OTTD on DVD :) 21:25:28 <hylje> [gen2]niki: mostly its that the game companies are too lazy to make clean binaries 21:25:44 <hylje> that work on all distros 21:25:45 <guru3> curse you lazy game companies 21:25:47 <[gen2]niki> yep 21:25:52 <[gen2]niki> thats why i like doom and unreal 21:26:01 <[gen2]niki> smart companys.. work that portation is no hard job 21:26:06 <guru3> vive id & atari 21:26:09 <hylje> its not that hard to make a statically linked self-contained directory 21:26:14 <hylje> that is thrown to /opt/ 21:26:18 <[gen2]niki> but that throws a bad light on blizzard o.o 21:26:37 <[gen2]niki> i dont know how many run w3 with wine and love a clean linux binary 21:26:42 <[gen2]niki> for better speed 21:26:48 <[gen2]niki> probaply thousands. 21:26:49 <hylje> blizzard does most likely have all their games compiling for a generic linux target 21:26:52 <[gen2]niki> same with wow 21:27:02 <[gen2]niki> why dont they publish it then? 21:27:14 <hylje> and a linux native wow is there, unless they forgot to maintain it 21:27:16 <hylje> dunno. 21:27:29 <[gen2]niki> native linux? 21:27:32 <hylje> ive heard some rumours that apple has something with it 21:27:41 <[gen2]niki> i can imagine that the dedicated servers of it are linux 21:27:49 <[gen2]niki> hmm? 21:27:50 <Naksu> well 21:27:59 <[gen2]niki> i mean its a joke in general 21:28:00 <Naksu> the reason why there are no games for linux is quite simple 21:28:02 <guru3> funny now that you mention it, there's dedicated steam servers too 21:28:08 <[gen2]niki> yeah 21:28:12 <Naksu> you cant make a profit even if you take someone else's work and port it 21:28:24 <hylje> how so 21:28:29 <Naksu> loki 21:28:50 <[gen2]niki> only lokis native ports were good 21:28:51 <guru3> loki isn't really porting 21:28:56 <hylje> ive heard loki had some other issues that contributed to its demise 21:28:56 <[gen2]niki> the deus ex port sucked like hell 21:28:59 <[gen2]niki> -.- 21:29:11 <guru3> loki does more installers than anything imo 21:29:18 <Naksu> [gen2]niki: it was never finished 21:29:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... out of 30GB it copied, ~1.5MB are failed 21:30:08 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:10 <[gen2]niki> it was just a old cedega version with deus ex 21:30:15 <[gen2]niki> i can do that myself 21:30:23 <[gen2]niki> using a cvs winex with deus ex.. 21:30:27 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-134-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:28 <HMage> guru3: you're wrong. They were porting games. keyword is 'were', since they're out of business now (got no profits). 21:30:43 <guru3> ah well 21:30:45 <[gen2]niki> i think 21:30:49 <guru3> sucks for them 21:30:53 <guru3> and for ppl that like linux 21:30:53 <[gen2]niki> many companys too extensively stick to directx 21:31:09 <guru3> curse you you directx bastards 21:31:13 <[gen2]niki> i think a german adventure gets a port just because it was easy to port and 200 linux fans preordered it 21:31:22 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N751P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:22 <[gen2]niki> that was the dependency of the company to port it 21:31:39 <[gen2]niki> its a lie that it would be too expensive to port. this shows the exact opposite 21:32:00 <HMage> [gen2]niki: sticking to directx is mainly because MSDN lacks clarity on OpenGL. 21:32:00 <[gen2]niki> the game is a lucas arts style adventure in egyptian settings.. got a gamestar game of the year award or something 21:32:35 <HMage> [gen2]niki: not many dev people will go out and seeks the other source for OpenGL docs, they prefer more convinient MSDN for docs. 21:32:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, 200 guaranteed preorders at ~40EUR means you can pay a programmer full time to port it 21:32:42 <HMage> go out and seek* 21:33:02 <[gen2]niki> hey 21:33:05 <HMage> Eddi|zuHause2: did you take into account the costs of running a business? 21:33:11 <[gen2]niki> halflife sold.. two million times? no idea? 21:33:11 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N850P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:33:26 <[gen2]niki> how many people have linux and use cedega or switch to windows to play sometimes? 21:33:35 <[gen2]niki> and would like a linux steam? o.o 21:34:52 <[gen2]niki> and HMage i know plenty games with opengl support without native linux port. 21:34:56 <Rubidium> FlashFF: you found a nice bug :) 21:35:00 <guru3> i wouldn't mind a linux steam/hl2 sort of thing 21:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> HMage: well, the argument was not really meant to be complete... but it's a pretty good argument if a) these 200 would rather not buy the game instead of ordering a windows copy, or b) the number is insignificant against the expected number of windows sales 21:36:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> (where b) would have to finance the other running costs of the company) 21:37:06 <hylje> they could get nice publicity from a fully featured linux port 21:37:12 <hylje> thus more sales 21:37:23 <[gen2]niki> yeah 21:37:28 <[gen2]niki> because all geeks think: 21:37:29 <hylje> get slashdotted? easily thousands of sales 21:37:33 <[gen2]niki> what a cool company, lets support it 21:37:41 <hylje> especially if the game looks promising 21:37:46 <[gen2]niki> they probaply got slashdotted for that action 21:37:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, you just have to present it to the marketing/sales people nicely, so they would allow it 21:38:03 <[gen2]niki> the game got awards of high-reputation gaming magazines ;p 21:40:26 <[gen2]niki> one question. 21:40:42 <[gen2]niki> if a plane has 90% in out of order rating 21:40:56 <[gen2]niki> why do all planes have burning engines or something within a flight? 21:40:57 <[gen2]niki> -.- 21:41:24 <[gen2]niki> just because the trip is long no every plane from london to new york has burning engines 21:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> breakdowns need serious rebalancing 21:41:46 <hylje> its because of the hueg scale in ottd 21:42:00 *** jnmbk [~jnmbk@85.97.88.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> rebalancing is planned for 0.6 21:42:04 <[gen2]niki> i mean, okay the game is ment to be hard and has normal as breakdown setting 21:42:05 <hylje> one tile is about two thousand km or so? 21:42:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> so expect that to be changed in the future 21:42:23 <[gen2]niki> good luck, if i can help say it. rebalancing is very hard 21:42:44 <hylje> imbalance :< 21:42:45 <[gen2]niki> o.o iam staff on a mmorpg gameserver and the hardest thing is rebalancing because it seriously takes the longest time 21:43:15 <FlashFF> Rubidium: Wooties how awesome 21:43:37 <FlashFF> i found a horrible, and incredibly painful bug lol 21:44:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> it must not be triggered that often ;) 21:44:43 <FlashFF> :( 21:47:14 <[gen2]niki> i think i know the bug 21:47:17 <[gen2]niki> :o 21:47:29 <[gen2]niki> the bugtracker jabber-activationcode sending doesnt work 21:47:36 <[gen2]niki> maybe cuz iam using gaim 21:47:38 <mattt_> so breakdowns are based on distance traveled while service intervals are based on time? 21:48:19 <[gen2]niki> dunno, this kelling k7 has 90 percent and has a breakdown every flight.. => nearly constant 300 mph... 21:48:29 <[gen2]niki> sry kmh.. instead of 900. 21:48:54 <mikk36> damn, whiskey is good :D 21:49:03 <mikk36> about 0.5L in already 21:49:12 <mikk36> and damn.. hard to keek head steady 21:49:23 <mikk36> keep* 21:49:25 <Tuzlo> and your still ledgible 21:49:36 <mikk36> ledgible ` 21:49:38 <mikk36> ? 21:50:17 <mikk36> grr, friends laptop, a bit differend width of keyborad 21:50:55 <mikk36> i'l try to fix all my spelling mistakes.. but u know, don't brag if i have some mistakes 21:51:22 <[gen2]niki> whats the connection of alc and open source games? 21:55:50 <mikk36> alc ? 21:57:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> mikk36: whiskas is not exactly the traditional christmas meal ;) 21:57:35 <mikk36> whiskas ??? 21:57:37 <mikk36> i 21:57:44 <ln-> cat food 21:57:49 <mikk36> i'm talking about whiskey 21:58:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, and i was being sarcastic ;) 21:59:13 <Biff> hmm, there are graphic glitches when my eurostar trains drive under tubular brigdes 21:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, bridges are known to have graphic issues 21:59:50 <Biff> ok 22:00:02 <Biff> havent noticed before 22:07:51 <MVV> nice english word 'glitch' :) it sounds like our russian shortening of 'hallucination' :) 22:07:53 <Rubidium> FlashFF: http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/fix_no_new_players_when_more_than_8_clients.diff should fix your bug 22:08:13 <MVV> and it have almost same meaning :) 22:08:33 <MVV> *sounds ALMOST like 22:10:46 <[gen2]niki> Is there an rcon command to stop breakdowns? 22:10:57 <MVV> dictionary says that it's the same slang words :) 22:10:57 <[gen2]niki> its on normal settings and i want to change it without restarting the server 22:11:15 <Rubidium> isn't there some command to set all the patch variables? 22:11:38 <Rubidium> patch <name> <value> 22:11:45 <MVV> only we pronounce it like 'glook' :) 22:11:52 <MVV> sorry for offtop 22:12:01 * MVV shut up 22:14:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> breakdowns are a difficulty setting, i believe 22:14:57 <[gen2]niki> is there a way to do it? :o 22:15:01 <[gen2]niki> yes they are 22:15:52 <Rubidium> in that case I think it is not possible 22:16:57 <[gen2]niki> i think all planes should have 99.99 breakdown protection, but if there is an accident the whole train explodes 22:17:08 <[gen2]niki> not very family friendly but realistic 22:17:16 <[gen2]niki> argh 22:17:23 <[gen2]niki> the plane explodes ^^ not the train 22:17:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> if a plane has an accident, the train explodes ;) 22:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> nice reasoning ;) 22:17:37 <hylje> :> 22:17:39 <hylje> yeah 22:17:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> "night is colder than outside" ;) 22:17:57 <hylje> the plane should look for the closest train 22:18:03 <hylje> and crash into it 22:18:48 <MVV> :) 22:19:57 <MVV> plane will be like UFO :) 22:20:09 <MVV> Undefined Falling Object :)))) 22:20:16 <Rubidium> the UFO doesn't crash anything :) 22:21:10 <MVV> mmm it'll be new kind of UFO :) interesting upgrade 22:21:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> 4096 bytes (4.1 kB) copied, 0.000265869 s, 15.4 MB/s <- that is what a good block looks like 22:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> 4096 bytes (4.1 kB) copied, 0.00524461 s, 781 kB/s <- that is what a "almost failed" block looks like 22:22:59 <MVV> people, really, i think that OTTD need some cataclysm powerfull lika a flood but uncontrollable like UFO 22:23:46 <MVV> for uncontrollable destroying of towns, industries and your transport :) 22:23:59 <hylje> exterminatus? 22:24:32 <Rubidium> so you would like the fighter that destroys the UFOs fly randomly over the map and drop bombs randomly? 22:24:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> Atomic Bomb (splash damage) ;) 22:24:43 <MVV> meteor ^) 22:24:55 <MVV> oh yes AB :) 22:25:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 10.1708 s, 0.0 kB/s <- this is what a bad block looks like 22:26:36 <MeusH> MiHaMiX! does anyone knows what's up with him? 22:26:57 <Rubidium> serious case of Real Life? 22:27:01 <Rubidium> maybe due to Christmas 22:27:21 <MeusH> do you remember him saying farewell? Like when he's going to be back? 22:27:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> this Real Life seems to be a major epedemic 22:29:05 <MVV> so maybe ... is there any cataclysm in developing ? 22:29:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> like a virus that spreads through the internet... 22:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... ;) 22:29:17 <MVV> or new kind of UFO etc. 22:29:24 <hylje> pandemic 22:29:27 <Rubidium> MVV: no 22:30:00 <MVV> ^( it is a pity 22:30:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> we need more kinds of serious and less serious desasters 22:30:54 <MeusH> in OpenTTD? 22:31:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> like damaged tracks due to hard rain (causes derailing for fast trains) 22:31:46 <MeusH> Once I've made some disasters, but 1) People usually play without disasters 2) No developer wanted to do "bad things" 22:32:03 <MeusH> I've even made a patch to turn off unreal disasters like UFO 22:32:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> and desasters with random severity... like a derailed train can either go unharmed (simple breakdown, message of injured people), or get completely destroyed (crash, message of dead people) 22:32:34 <MeusH> frankly, I'd like disasters to be turned on by default with no way to disable them. 22:32:43 <MeusH> they are rare, and they do completly no harm 22:32:58 <MVV> it's just become boring when you have rther strong economics 22:33:30 <MeusH> well, I think crashing things is too bad disaster, but other disasters IMO should be turned on with no way to change it 22:33:55 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> the game is lacking a "UFO got destroyed" message, i think 22:34:34 <MVV> hmm Eddi|zuHause2 what about ... bridges after some time become unstaile and collapse? 22:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> i constantly forget that they were there, and after years i come by and see the track all gone, with trains piling up 22:35:14 <[gen2]niki> or terrorist attacks on houses with YOUR planes (i hope i havent hurt any american patriotic soul here) 22:35:46 <Rubidium> [gen2]niki: that will _NEVER_ be included 22:36:08 <MVV> ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?)) ???? 22:36:16 <[gen2]niki> ;p its open source 22:36:19 <MVV> but i'll make such patch :)) gigi 22:36:38 <MVV> yeah 22:36:56 <Rubidium> [gen2]niki: true, but it will _NEVER_ be in openttd, if you want to make a fork, have fun! 22:37:34 <[gen2]niki> hey i wast just playing with thoughts ;p 22:37:39 <Bjarni> bad move 22:37:44 <MVV> people i don't want to hurt your feelings 22:37:46 <[gen2]niki> regarding ttd as realistic transportation simulation ;p 22:37:46 <Bjarni> I wondered about kicking you 22:37:59 <Bjarni> terrorism is a real and really serious issue 22:38:04 <MVV> americans, it's a joke :) 22:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> we don't have that many americans here, actually 22:38:50 <MVV> sorry if i said something too bad 22:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> but that still does not make the joke good 22:38:53 <Bjarni> I'm not even sure there are any Americans here right now 22:38:55 <MVV> ^) 22:40:00 <Rubidium> it is just that OpenTTD will never add something that has to do with war. 22:40:24 <Bjarni> still, there are people out there, who wants to die and kill as many as possible if they are not true believers (or some other reason, depending on who they are) and they can strike at random 22:41:25 <MVV> oh don't think that i'm so (... who wants to die and kill....) 22:41:46 <[gen2]niki> there are also democratic nations who put in dictators in other nations o.O and i spoked of random accidents and not of actions planned by the player 22:41:56 <Bjarni> I didn't say that, but I think you don't realise what this issue is to live with in real life 22:42:00 <Ailure> openTTD have terrorists 22:42:04 <Ailure> they're just disguised as aliens 22:42:33 <Ailure> funny how the blasts dosen't destroy trains 22:42:39 <[gen2]niki> then you cant build in exploding trains or planes because its somethign real life? 22:42:39 <Ailure> when a UFO get blown up 22:43:05 * Bjarni thinks [gen2]niki totally misses the point here 22:43:16 <Bjarni> this have to do with harming people on purpose 22:43:39 <Bjarni> a train hitting a car in a crossing is an accident 22:43:49 <Bjarni> well, most of the time 22:43:58 <Athorium> OpenTTD need a disaster: derailment of train 22:44:03 <Bjarni> yeah 22:44:18 <Bjarni> and runaway trains 22:44:30 <Ailure> I think openTTD needs more disasters as well 22:44:35 <Athorium> OpenTTD can make velocity control signals 22:44:36 <Ailure> maybe some rare but more fatal disasters 22:44:43 <Ailure> a aircraft crashing once a month isn't fun 22:44:48 <Ailure> but something fatal every tenth year might be 22:44:55 <Biff> if trains would start crashing at random it would be impossible to play 22:44:58 <Bjarni> I laughed at the bug where somebody managed to get a wagon to leave a rail depot without a locomotive and asked "did it go downhill?" 22:45:22 <Athorium> is possible to make a velocity control signals? 22:45:25 <Biff> when you have large networks and many trains it would happen to often 22:45:35 <Bjarni> Athorium: everything is possible 22:45:39 <Ailure> there could be a rate 22:45:43 <Athorium> it's can be very useful to control traffic with different speed trains 22:45:44 <Ailure> so it's really really rare 22:45:53 <Bjarni> the question is if we want to spend enough time on each feature 22:45:53 <Ailure> and that even with laot of trains it dosen't happen often 22:46:03 <Ailure> same for breakdowns 22:46:09 <Ailure> I wouldn't mind breakdowns if they were less rare 22:46:13 <Athorium> Bjarni uhmm OpenTTD pending list? :P 22:46:30 <Biff> Athorium: why, all trains usually have the same speed 22:46:31 <Bjarni> some of the ideas some people show up with sounds like rewriting most of the game and that's why they aren't done... they take too long 22:46:35 <Biff> or about the same speed 22:46:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> Athorium: a signal rewrite with more possible options is already pending ;) 22:47:08 <Ailure> I could always make some joke disaster if i'm bored enough 22:47:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> btw: http://www.qdb.us/61399 22:47:12 <Athorium> Biff no, I have trains with 55 Km/h electrics and 122 Km/h steam train... and electrics makes a traffic jam 22:47:17 <Ailure> such as every tile on the map exploded 22:47:26 <Biff> Athorium: why do you have those? 22:47:27 <Ailure> so the whole landscape is just dirt 22:47:32 <MVV> can anybody give some link to example of using complex train system with different kinds of signal because i can't understand meaning of most of signals such as pre-signals and theirvarieties 22:47:49 <Athorium> Biff for different uses, some steam freight, electrics for passengers... 22:47:53 <Biff> MVV: you can have a savegame? 22:47:54 <Bjarni> we will eventually get PBS back in a version where trains and signals "talk" with each other and then an addition of speed depending signals could be introduced 22:48:02 <Ailure> MVV, looked in the manual already? 22:48:19 <Bjarni> like green, but the next signal is red, so slow down to try to prevent a complete stop 22:48:26 <Ailure> Your best bet is probably turning on a cheat and play around with them until it sticks 22:48:37 <Athorium> ah, I finded a bug in PBS. but I don't know how to explain... 22:48:37 <Ailure> ah 22:48:49 *** Neonox [~Neonox@offb-590ebce5.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 22:48:49 <Ailure> I remember someone making a yellow signal 22:48:50 <Ailure> heh 22:48:59 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:16 <Ailure> well anything for increased realism is good 22:49:19 <Bjarni> yeah, but with more advanced signals, they can actually make sense 22:49:34 <Ailure> even if 600 km/h > 0 km/h in a few milliseconds is pretty funny 22:49:34 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:49:39 <Athorium> I think that speed signals can be a good feature for realism... :) 22:49:43 <Bjarni> Ailure: I got a question for you 22:49:55 <Ailure> hmm? 22:50:08 <Bjarni> on Swedish roads, some of them got like an extra "half lane" next to them 22:50:12 <Bjarni> what is the purpose? 22:50:28 <Ailure> I think it's for emergency purposes 22:50:32 <Bjarni> I noticed that some (specially busses and lorries) drive there 22:50:50 <Ailure> hm 22:50:53 <Bjarni> you got a driver's license? 22:50:57 <Ailure> nope 22:50:59 <Ailure> that's the thing 22:51:10 <Bjarni> maybe I should find somebody else to ask :p 22:51:12 <Ailure> Though I should have gotten it years ago 22:51:24 <Bjarni> parents too cheap? 22:51:25 <Ailure> but i really don't want a car for now 22:51:29 <Ailure> eh nah 22:51:32 <Ailure> it's mostly myself 22:51:35 <Ailure> I did some basic training 22:51:43 <Ailure> but then started college and got busy 22:52:07 <Bjarni> you see, I did it with perfect timing so I got it just before I got really busy 22:52:15 <Ailure> basic training = driving with my dad who got a license for training me to drive or something 22:52:19 <Ailure> heh 22:52:30 <Ailure> there were a such course in my upper secondary school 22:52:45 <Ailure> optional, but way too popular 22:52:49 <Ailure> so it was hard to get a place 22:53:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> in germany, teaching to drive must be done by professionals 22:53:21 <Bjarni> same here 22:53:34 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 22:53:38 <Bjarni> sometimes you can question how professional they are though :P 22:54:02 <Ailure> I think it's enough that you had a driving license for a certain amount of years here 22:54:12 <Biff> compared to here in norway, german driving schools are excellent 22:54:20 <Ailure> but I can't home-school everything 22:54:25 <Ailure> I have to do the tests on a real school 22:54:30 <Biff> the germans actually knows how to drive 22:54:45 <Ailure> my dad would object to that 22:54:47 <Ailure> :P 22:55:12 <Ailure> Hmm, damn. 22:55:14 <Biff> oh? 22:55:23 <Ailure> I think I should go and get some sleep 22:55:27 <Ailure> midnight and i'm getting tired. 22:55:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's often the thing with germany... the people know exactly how things are supposed to work, but they break the rules on purpose ;) 22:56:04 <Ailure> and germans looks down on the game industry as the work of the evil or something 22:56:14 <Ailure> at least that's what a... friend who lives in germany tells me. 22:56:28 <Biff> Eddi|zuHause2: could be 22:56:29 <Bjarni> I heard a story about a tourist in Germany. He rented a car and since it was not his car, he didn't care about speeding. He would never see the pictures or get fined because he would have left the country before the police could manage to find him. When he handed in the car, the police was present and had a whole photo album and a somewhat big collection of speeding tickets 22:56:43 <Biff> but a german would go mad after one day in norway 22:57:11 <[gen2]niki> any more problems about germans? >:-c 22:57:23 <Bjarni> a German could go mad after one day in Germany, so what is the point? 22:57:35 <Bjarni> [gen2]niki: yeah, they speak German :P 22:57:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, bloody germans, fuck them :p 22:58:00 <[gen2]niki> atleast we have fair alcohol prices, unlike scandinavian countries 22:58:14 <Biff> [gen2]niki: where? 22:58:20 <[gen2]niki> eddi is prolly austrian or swiss ;p 22:58:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, Gonozal_VIII is austrian 22:58:44 <Bjarni> no, Eddi|zuHause2 is in Germany fucking Germans 22:59:24 <Bjarni> I would not want to know what the word "bloody" were doing in that sentence... maybe he is into such things 22:59:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... 1GB to go... i have a feeling this one takes forever 22:59:50 <MVV> oh yeah .... 20mln or russian soldiers ... 23:00:10 <[gen2]niki> thats 60 years ago 23:00:11 <Bjarni> MVV: ??? 23:00:12 <[gen2]niki> o.o 23:00:18 <MVV> WW2 23:00:27 <[gen2]niki> most of our veterans are dead or in retirement castles 23:00:32 <MVV> fucking germans :) 23:00:58 <Bjarni> one thing is for sure about WW2. If Germany had won, then there would not be an Israel-Palestine issue now 23:01:12 <MVV> my grandfather was on that war 23:01:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> most of our grandfathers were in that war 23:01:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 23:01:34 <[gen2]niki> my gramp too ;p he survived russian military prision 23:01:38 <[gen2]niki> yep. 23:01:46 <Bjarni> my grandmother was in the resistance 23:01:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> my grandfather was in texan military prison 23:01:57 <MeusH> Bjarni: maybye you know what was Hitler's view on Muslims? 23:01:59 <[gen2]niki> in texas? 23:02:00 <[gen2]niki> :O! 23:02:10 <MVV> ^))) 23:02:24 <Bjarni> but due to security, she knew very little. She just walked around town during the daytime bringing food supplies to people, who had to hide 23:02:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> i guess it was better than russian... 23:02:52 <[gen2]niki> most likely.. ive seen photos my grandpa took on his war journey 23:02:52 <[gen2]niki> o.o 23:03:00 <[gen2]niki> did you know they had cannons on giant locomotivesß 23:03:03 <MeusH> Bjarni: even this was a good reason to kill someone 23:03:18 <MeusH> [gen2]niki, yeah, these were huge and amazing cannons 23:03:32 <[gen2]niki> not amazing o.o but technically interesting 23:03:36 <MVV> i imagine germans who go to russia through texas :) 23:03:46 <Bjarni> <MeusH> Bjarni: maybye you know what was Hitler's view on Muslims? <--- Himmler suggested that Germany should convert to Islam so the soldiers could die for Allah, so they would go into suicide missions. Hitler and the other people at the top disagreed and Himmler lost his influence 23:04:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> my granfather also left stalingrad with one of the last planes 23:04:00 <MeusH> three locomotives must have been stopping the train after firing a single shot, a projectile weighting several tons 23:04:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> after he got injured 23:04:17 <MeusH> thanks Bjarni 23:04:31 <[gen2]niki> germany had suicide missions anyways 23:04:39 <Bjarni> yeah 23:04:45 <[gen2]niki> its a fact though most people dont know 23:04:48 <Bjarni> they would not gain anything from converting 23:04:51 <[gen2]niki> they always have kamikaze in mind 23:04:56 <Bjarni> in fact I think it would have backfired 23:04:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> "one man torpedos" 23:05:09 <MVV> my grandfather was in Sebastopol, there were 2 cannonns 20meters lenght and the shell was 1.2m id diameter 23:05:24 <MeusH> MVV: do you remember its weight? 23:05:36 <MVV> no 23:05:42 <Bjarni> AFAIK nobody in my family actually fired a single shot during the war 23:05:48 <MVV> i have foto in albums 23:05:51 <[gen2]niki> i think ww2 runs in danger that people dont think about it anymore just because the people die and you think: it was 60 years ago, whats the deal 23:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> my grandfather lost two brothers in the war 23:06:26 <MeusH> MVV: the biggest train cannon was Dora with a calliber of 80cm - less than 1.2m 23:06:32 <Bjarni> <[gen2]niki> i think ww2 runs in danger that people dont think about it anymore just because the people die and you think: it was 60 years ago, whats the deal <-- what would you want us to do about it? 23:06:50 <Bjarni> unite all countries so we get civil wars instead of wars between countries? 23:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> start another war that people can talk about ;) 23:07:10 <Bjarni> that appears to be the EU idea when they claim that they will stop all European wars 23:07:18 <MVV> that 2 cannons were defending Sebastopol for a long time but gemans accupied one of the cannons are fired in another one do destroy it 23:07:25 <[gen2]niki> spread knowledge that it comes back into people minds o.o 23:07:46 <[gen2]niki> i mean we are in a nuclear age. 23:08:01 <[gen2]niki> world wont look as good as it looked after the last if there is another 23:08:01 <MeusH> wiki: Some projectiles weighted 7.1 ton 23:08:16 <MVV> MeusH 'll find in internet excact info and inform you 23:08:36 <MeusH> one projectile dug 100 meters into ground, broke a gelbet roof and exploded 23:08:45 <MeusH> hmm... is it gelbet? 23:08:55 <Bjarni> [gen2]niki: so if we inform say all Germans about this and France gets upset at Germany and wants revenge, what would it help Germany when France starts to bomb Germany? 23:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> what's a gelbet supposed to be? 23:09:11 <Bjarni> it's a theoretical issue 23:09:17 <[gen2]niki> ehm.. 23:09:26 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:28 <[gen2]niki> Its common knowledge in france 23:09:30 <[gen2]niki> ;p 23:09:40 <[gen2]niki> there are still regions who germans wont get served in restaurant 23:09:45 <[gen2]niki> *where 23:10:00 <[gen2]niki> argh 23:10:05 <Bjarni> everybody in Germany knew about WW1, yet they went into WW2 23:10:23 <MeusH> I meant... reinforced concerte 23:10:25 <[gen2]niki> yeah because propaganda told them 23:10:26 <MVV> americans likes to hide true info about russian war equipment :) it's true :) believe me :) i watch sometimes american tv-programs and they are veeery funny :) 23:10:32 <[gen2]niki> it wasnt their fault that it was a loss 23:10:35 <Tuzlo> what year do interontinental airports come into play? 23:10:47 <MeusH> Eddi|zuHause2, we call it zelbet = short of zelazobeton = iron+concrete 23:10:53 <MeusH> brb 23:10:58 <Tuzlo> MVV like glorifying themselves 23:11:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> ah... "Stahlbeton" 23:11:07 <[gen2]niki> WW1 was glorified 23:11:38 <Bjarni> WW1 was the war where everybody were attacked and had to defend themselves... really odd start of a war 23:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> i believe one of the main causes of WW2 was that the allies tried to suppress germany after WW1 23:12:11 <Bjarni> most likely 23:12:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> they did not make that mistake twice ;) 23:12:41 <Bjarni> the NaZi party gained power due to problems like lack of jobs, that were made worse by allied suppression 23:12:51 <[gen2]niki> + WW1 was rather a european war 23:12:59 <[gen2]niki> if you ignorethe fact that it was fight for colonies 23:13:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> "if you ignore all global influences, WW1 was really a local issue" :p 23:13:59 <Bjarni> WW1 was a world war since Europe controlled the planet through it's colonies (except USA and Mexico, who ended up playing a role anyway) 23:14:16 <Bjarni> lol @ Eddi|zuHause2 23:14:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> well that is what [gen2]niki's proposition sounded like ;) 23:15:47 <Tuzlo> both wars were statred due ti indifferences in the Europes 23:16:08 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp0-126.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 23:16:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> what's an indifference supposed to be? the opposite of a difference? 23:16:33 <Bjarni> according to USA, the Japanese made an unprovoked sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, while they did so because USA was behind a complete oil buycut to prevent Japan from getting oil. It was part of a plan to protect their new line to gain oil (gained though another attack on Indonesia at the same time) 23:16:48 <MVV> f%cking dial-up.... 23:16:49 <Tuzlo> germans may have drawn the atten=tion but they did not necessarily start the wars, they sure did play a huge part though 23:16:52 <Bjarni> but Japan lost and we learn the American version in the history books 23:18:03 <Bjarni> Germany gained old German land and was willing to fight against everybody, who would stop them 23:18:08 <Bjarni> in WW2 23:18:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> some conspiracy theories tell that american government knew about the upcoming attack on perl harbour, but needed a shock for the public to have them support the war 23:18:33 <MVV> i remember japan plans in ww1 to concuer all the asian russia till to ural for several months :) 23:19:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:19:08 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp0-126.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [] 23:19:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> i do not remember japan being involved in WW1 23:19:22 <[gen2]niki> gnight ppl :D 23:19:23 <Bjarni> all the aircraft carriers stationed at Pearl Harbour were at sea when the planes attacked, so they were unharmed 23:19:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> there was a russia-japan war a few years earlier 23:19:44 <MVV> yeah they knew about it like england knew about bombing their city, where germans killed almost all of people of this city (i don't remember it's name) 23:19:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's Coventry 23:19:58 <Zavior> In the end USA's losses in pearl harbour were minimal compared to japans 23:19:59 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> i do not remember japan being involved in WW1 <-- I think they were in one of their periods with a lot of civil war 23:20:04 <MVV> oh i did mistake 23:20:07 <MVV> WW2 ! 23:20:11 <MVV> ^) 23:20:34 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p5090C5BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:20:48 <Bjarni> that's one German down 23:21:03 <Bjarni> now we need to gang up on the other one and we have won the war in this channel 23:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are more germans other than me here ;) 23:22:12 <Bjarni> they are asleep. They aren't dangerous until tomorrow 23:22:23 <MVV> ^)) 23:22:32 <Bjarni> which leaves us a lot of time to do our duties 23:22:55 <Bjarni> the question is... do we really want to do this? 23:23:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> grr... this last GB is really taking forever 23:23:14 <Bjarni> :D 23:23:20 <Bjarni> my sabotage worked 23:23:31 <Bjarni> you are inactive for way longer now 23:23:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> the world cannot survive without germans 23:24:03 <Bjarni> why? 23:24:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> because i say so ;) 23:24:23 <Bjarni> oh now I know 23:24:28 <Bjarni> you got Märklin 23:24:30 <Bjarni> damn 23:24:33 <Bjarni> new plan 23:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> right ;) 23:24:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> you only got Lego ;) 23:24:56 <Biff> hehe 23:25:02 <Biff> i need the german cars :o) 23:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> see, everyone got something that depends on germans ;) 23:26:06 <Bjarni> we could gang up on MVV instead. He is alone and he got an important territory. There are oil in that region 23:26:08 <MVV> hmm i don't have anything ... 23:26:17 <Tuzlo> anyone know what year the Intercontinental airports are available 23:26:18 <MVV> ^)))) 23:26:27 <Biff> Tuzlo: the wiki knows 23:26:40 <Bjarni> hmm 23:26:40 <MVV> and iron and marganeze 23:26:40 <Tuzlo> k, I looked for the manual yesterday and it was old 23:26:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> something like table/airports.h ;) 23:26:56 <Bjarni> MVV: what specific country are you in? 23:27:00 <Bjarni> I forgot :s 23:27:10 <MVV> and very good chernozem 23:27:15 <MVV> Ukraine 23:27:18 <Bjarni> right 23:27:27 <Bjarni> then you got prostitutes as well 23:27:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> they only got boxers, and corrupt politicians 23:27:43 <Bjarni> or used to have them.... they are smuggled over here :( 23:28:02 <MVV> in the WW2 Ukraine as i know was the second by the amount of killed people 23:28:24 <Bjarni> yeah 23:28:28 <Bjarni> you are a red country 23:28:31 <MVV> corrupt politicans is due to americans !!! 23:28:44 <Bjarni> explain 23:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's not like the americans invented corrupt politicians 23:29:01 <MVV> USA gives a lot of money to orange government 23:29:06 <Bjarni> they got plenty though 23:29:37 <MeusH> tell me more MVV. I know about america's dirty game concerning Iran, but I haven't heard much about Ukraine 23:30:16 <MVV> USA invested milliards of dollar personally to Ushenko to involve them into transforming the government into 'orange' 23:30:20 <Bjarni> USA claims it's to even out the advances for the other wing that get money from Russia 23:30:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> i could think that USA are interested in establishing some power against russia 23:31:01 <Bjarni> USA is too obsessed with the communism thing 23:31:13 <MVV> ohhh MeusH USA did a loooot to decrease our internal stability 23:31:42 <Bjarni> USA acts like they own the world 23:31:49 <MeusH> MVV, are you orange or blue? 23:31:50 <MVV> yeah USA drags us into NATO but our people don't want it 23:31:51 <Bjarni> they "only" own half of it 23:32:11 <MVV> blue but only in political sense :) 23:32:13 <MeusH> or you try not to get involved in that? 23:32:17 <MeusH> mhm 23:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> they recently learned that they do not "own" germany anymore 23:32:23 <Bjarni> what's wrong with NATO? 23:32:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think that was a pretty punch in their face 23:32:50 <MeusH> what do you mean by political sense? that you're with communists? or you're with socialism but not with communists? 23:32:56 <Bjarni> they protect us from attacks from Communistic Poland.... wherever that went :P 23:33:08 <MeusH> :p 23:33:16 <Tuzlo> The situation with Iran wasnt really over nuclear power. It started with Iran wanting to start an oil trading circle based on the EU...... Not nothing to worry about?????? Wrong. The current Oil trading is done in US dollars, to buy oil you must first buy US dollars, over inflating the real price of a Green back. If Iran were to succeed with what they were planning, it would have driven the US Dollar through the floor in no time at all. And rumour h 23:34:06 <MVV> 80% or more don't want to go nito NATO but Ushenko being sponsored by USA drag us into it 4 he don't want to listen our government and our peoplr4 he does only what USA said him and his party to do 23:34:24 <MeusH> intresting. so if Iran managed to finish the pipeline, more transactions would be done in Euros? 23:34:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, USA are probably in big fear of oil trade being done in EUR 23:34:57 <Bjarni> Iran just announced that they switched to EUR for all international transactions, no USD anymore 23:35:05 <Tuzlo> of course they are, the dollar would be worthless 23:35:23 <MVV> i'm neither socialist nor communist4 there is a 'center' party 'Party of Regions' or 'Regions' Patry' 4 i think this party must rules our country 23:35:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> it probably already has a reason that the dollar dropped like that in the past few years 23:36:22 <Tuzlo> well, thats because their deficit keeps increasing and other countries are reducing their debt... Also US is a net importer of Oil,, and oil is on a roll 23:36:27 <MVV> oh i can tell much more about our political situation but i cann't 'speak' in English so quickly 23:36:28 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 23:36:32 <MeusH> yeah, dollar dropped very low. Electronics are cheap, oil is cheap... even with horrendous tax, oil is cheap 23:36:45 <MeusH> MVV, do you know polish a bit? 23:36:54 <MVV> no 23:37:15 <MVV> are you from Poland? :) or why do you ask? 23:37:25 <MeusH> yeah, I'm from Poland 23:38:15 <Bjarni> oil is really expensive 23:38:26 <MeusH> Thanks Tuzlo for that info. That all makes perfect sence now! Do you have some links or directions where can I learn more? 23:38:27 <Bjarni> it's like 6-70 USD/barrel 23:38:28 <MVV> i know Russian - its my native language, Ukrainian and English a bit after finishing school (we have a lot of English in it) 23:38:44 <Tuzlo> oil is expensive anywhere, and over priced. Driven up by retiremetn fnud investments, dont expect it to drop soon 23:39:16 <Tuzlo> MeusH: I read that a while back some on CNN, some on some other web sites 23:39:23 <Tuzlo> the Euro one was on CNN I think 23:39:40 <MVV> MeusH it is a pity but it is very hard to find truth in massmedia4 only common people can bring truth i( if they are not stupid) 23:39:41 <MeusH> whoa, I thought CNN keeps up with that sick goverment 23:39:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> i heard that eastern european countries often have german as first foreign language over english 23:39:47 <Bjarni> it would be interesting if more people would do as we do: use green power production. We got 28,5% of our power from non-fossile fuels, like wind energy 23:40:01 <Bjarni> the rest is mainly from coal 23:40:15 <Tuzlo> Bjarni: some countries are starting to mandate it 23:40:17 <Bjarni> we use very little oil in power production 23:40:20 <Tuzlo> only a few though 23:40:33 <MVV> yeah german is a second language here after english 23:41:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> and taking eastern countries into EU made german the 2nd most spoken foreign language (after english and before french) 23:41:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is already the most spoken first language 23:41:55 <MVV> with time all schools here become ukrainian and they stop lessons of russian language but near 75-80% of us speak Russian 23:41:57 <Bjarni> I read that a car company said that they could build a car, that goes twice as long on the same amount of fuel, but then the top speed would be 100-120 km/h and people would not want that.... I don't remember being asked 23:41:58 <MeusH> Bjarni: we get over 90% of power from coal 23:42:28 <Bjarni> MeusH: Polish coal is rather good quality and you can get it fairly cheap, so I'm not surprised 23:42:29 <Tuzlo> woot got 0 million in my game 23:42:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> low-fuel-cares are heavily lobbyed against by the oil industry 23:42:45 <MeusH> Bjarni: interesting about that car company 23:42:53 <MeusH> do you remember case of fanless processor? 23:43:12 <MeusH> it was ages ago, but anyway, processor was so good that it didn't need a cooling fan 23:43:18 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-191.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:43:18 <MVV> so let me do conclusion 23:43:22 <MeusH> but people didn't want to buy it 23:43:25 <Jango> anyone french here? 23:43:30 <MVV> about today's political situation here ... 23:43:33 <MeusH> so the company put a fan just to make noise 23:43:43 <Bjarni> Jango: go ask for sexual favours somewhere else 23:43:46 <MeusH> and suddenly people started buying it 23:43:52 <MeusH> MVV, go on 23:44:07 <Jango> Bjarni, sounds like you're fantasising about something already 23:44:16 <Bjarni> heh, I would totally go for a fanless CPU. I hate the noise 23:44:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> go get a room you two... 23:44:26 <Bjarni> lol 23:44:32 <Bjarni> no 23:44:51 <Bjarni> since he is in here, he is a he (or ugly). I reject both cases 23:45:03 <Jango> i could be neither 23:45:25 <Bjarni> with a name like Daniel??? 23:45:28 <Jango> ah, true 23:46:47 <glx> [00:43:37] <Jango> anyone french here? <-- why? 23:47:06 <MeusH> Bjarni: the worst thing is that our only nuclear reactor(s) (one or two) belong to scientistics. Only a few people are afraid of (im)possible breakdowns, and they are so stupid that they don't know Poland is surrounded by nuclear reactors so close to the border 23:47:42 <Bjarni> we closed down our 3 test nuclear reactors and they are being taken apart 23:47:42 <MeusH> it's a great loss we're forced to rely on russian gas etc 23:48:06 <Bjarni> and due to political work, we got Sweden to close a nuclear plant placed too close to the boarder 23:48:06 <MeusH> by scavengers or legally? 23:48:11 <Bjarni> legally 23:48:30 <Jango> right, gn 23:48:35 <MeusH> goodnight Jango 23:48:44 <MeusH> MVV, you said you're going to conclude 23:48:49 <Bjarni> they are measuring each piece for radioactivity and they classify them for how dangerous they are before they leave the area 23:48:49 <MeusH> was ... a conclusion? :p 23:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> there was a huge political discussion about opening a reactor right behind the border of tschechia 23:49:16 <MeusH> where are you from Eddi|zuHause2 23:49:19 <MeusH> ? 23:49:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> germany, still 23:49:28 <MVV> USA don't want Ukraine to unite with Russia like Belorussia almost done it in some spheres; that's why USA does it's agitating making our nationalistic organizations more active to destabilize our economy to make us not attractive for foreign investments; people of Ukraine mostly want to be united with Russia, Belorussia and Kazakhstan but political branches that have foreign investments make all possible to make our borders with other countries more strict 23:49:36 <MeusH> where are you going to move? 23:49:38 <MVV> it's my point of view 23:50:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have no plans to move anywhere 23:50:27 <Bjarni> knowing what USA did in South America, it's very likely 23:50:35 <MeusH> MVV, I think it's the best to unite with the west. West is evil. But Russia is pure hell. I'd choose the less evil one... 23:50:55 <Bjarni> ok, that's one way of putting it 23:50:55 <MeusH> It's good to be an independent country 23:50:58 <MVV> ^) why Russia is hell ? 23:51:23 <Bjarni> you are too young and innocent to know 23:51:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> you do know what russia is doing in Tschetschenia (spelling?) 23:51:36 <MVV> yes it's good but not in such way like we do 23:51:49 <MeusH> Tshetshenia, Georgia, raid in Moscow theater, corruption, gulags!, death camps... 23:51:53 <ln-> Chechnya 23:51:57 <MeusH> fucking up Poland 23:52:03 <MeusH> sorry. Thanks ln- 23:52:11 <MeusH> they fucked up Poland 23:52:13 <MVV> yeah i know about chechenskaya republic 23:52:27 <MeusH> their agents are still here trying to rule the goverment again 23:52:34 <MeusH> the same is in ukraine 23:52:47 <MVV> i can tell a few words about chchnya .... 23:53:05 <Bjarni> officially USSR is dead, but undercover they still work with agents where you least expect them 23:53:16 <MeusH> like Polish curches 23:53:22 <MeusH> our archibishops are agents 23:53:30 <MeusH> left side politics of course say they aren't 23:53:39 <MeusH> ... 23:53:42 <MeusH> back to Ukraine 23:54:29 <MeusH> if Russia had more control over Ukraine, you would end up like Belarus. Terrible dictator, reporters dying in suspicious circumstances, "disturbing" people having their families killed or moved far to Syberia 23:54:47 <Bjarni> to quote a famous Dane I once saw on TV. He talked about thinking planned economy as a good thing and then his dad said "why do you think people free from DDR to BRD and not the other way?" 23:54:59 <MeusH> you wouldn't have a strong currency. you'd have a rubel, which isn't worth anything tbh 23:55:12 <Bjarni> which is actually a good question in this case 23:55:19 <MeusH> what's DDR and BRD? 23:55:32 <ln-> ... 23:55:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> Deutsche Demokratische Republik (east germany) 23:55:45 <MeusH> kk 23:55:46 <Bjarni> ... 23:55:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bundesrepublik Deutschland (west germany) 23:55:51 <MeusH> NRD and RFN :D 23:55:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:27 *** _MVV_ [~54321@212.58.181.208] has joined #openttd 23:56:31 <Bjarni> I didn't expect MeusH to be one of the few people not knowing that 23:56:56 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 23:56:56 <Bjarni> !logs 23:57:22 <MeusH> Bjarni, frankly I didn't thought how is it in other languages 23:57:24 <MeusH> bad me 23:57:27 <Bjarni> _MVV_: it appears that it's a good idea for you to read the logs... you appear to have missed some stuff 23:57:49 <_MVV_> it's just a musulman country like afganistan or some another; it has it's own mentality and their people being controlled by their religy are more .... you understand :) i don't want to say anything rather bad; so chechnya always do terrects in Russia only because of russian police arest chechnya's criminals; 'chechenci' kill russian people onlybecause they are so; and russian soldiers do in chechnya something like what USA does; Russia are finding chechnya 23:57:51 <_MVV_> 's criminals and liquidate them 23:57:51 <Bjarni> I tend to call them by their German names... due to their German nature 23:58:13 <_MVV_> yeah i can miss something because i slowly type :) 23:58:39 <Bjarni> [00:54:47] <Bjarni> to quote a famous Dane I once saw on TV. He talked about thinking planned economy as a good thing and then his dad said "why do you think people free from DDR to BRD and not the other way?" 23:58:39 <ln-> interestingly, DDR has always been known as DDR in finland. there is a finnish name, but no finnish abbreviation. 23:58:43 <Bjarni> mainly this line 23:58:46 <tokai> Bjarni: you can say GDR and FDR too (international shortings AFAIR) usualy germans know that too ;) 23:59:00 <Bjarni> but I don't 23:59:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... it's rather FRG 23:59:34 <MeusH> it's RFN... 23:59:34 <Bjarni> to me it's DDR and BRD 23:59:36 <MeusH> whatever 23:59:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i really don't think germans would recognize those 23:59:48 <tokai> Eddit: err... right. well i'm sleeping and only talking in dreams:) 23:59:50 <tokai> -t