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00:00:04 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-182-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 00:00:48 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 00:01:18 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:01:28 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 00:08:02 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-140-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:28:09 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:31:55 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 00:32:17 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:33:41 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-115.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:47 *** Digitalfox_ is now known as Digitalfox 00:34:19 <Digitalfox> This is very strange, my nickname is double in this channel.. I don't have any other irc program open.. And it's my ISP account.. :| 00:34:35 <glx> no it's not 00:34:38 <Digitalfox> Now it's gone.. 00:35:04 <voodoo070> the server doesnt know if you're still there till it sends a signal 00:35:16 <voodoo070> that happened when you timed out 00:35:19 <glx> [01:33:46] Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-115.dsl.telepac.pt] a quitté IRC : Ping timeout: 480 seconds 00:35:23 <voodoo070> so you can reconnect before that happens 00:35:27 <voodoo070> then you're here twice 00:35:30 <Digitalfox> I had 2 digitalfox in the channel.. Digitalfox and digitalfox_ .. voodoo070 : I see :) 00:35:50 <voodoo070> irc server sends you a signal every x minutes 00:35:54 <voodoo070> if you dont reply you disconnect 00:36:00 <voodoo070> so if you're gone, you disconnect 00:36:14 <voodoo070> you client does the reply automatically 00:36:17 <voodoo070> +r 00:36:21 <Digitalfox> voodoo070: Thanks for explaining :) 00:36:57 <Digitalfox> It just didn't happen before.. 00:37:10 <Digitalfox> So i was confused :) 00:38:05 <voodoo070> happens a lot ;) 00:39:18 <Digitalfox> What's the command in irc to see when was the last time a person was in this channel? 00:39:43 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no such irc command 00:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause> but luckily, you have bots in this channel, that can do that ;) 00:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> !seen someone 00:40:12 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause, if you can't see someone here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 00:40:25 <Eddi|zuHause> haha, funny ;) 00:40:52 <Digitalfox> I thought i see some command that i could use to see when was the last time some nick was active in the channel 00:41:29 <Digitalfox> Example i want to know when was the last time celestar was in the channel, not possible with any command or bot? 00:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause> you can do a /whois on that person 00:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause> if you give the nick twice, you get also the idle time 00:41:59 <Eddi|zuHause> which counts for the whole network, not just for the channel 00:42:12 <Digitalfox> going to try now 00:43:34 <voodoo070> !lastspoke someone 00:43:40 <voodoo070> bleh 00:43:43 <voodoo070> its prolly the module 00:43:45 <voodoo070> not the tcl script 00:43:46 <voodoo070> ? 00:44:00 <voodoo070> the gseen module doesnt listen to !lastspoke 00:44:25 <voodoo070> !lastspoke voodoo070 00:44:27 <voodoo070> :/ 00:44:37 <Eddi|zuHause> you'd have to ask True{Light|Brain} 00:44:42 <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause: It worked thanks:) Pretty cool, i can even know where ( channels ) the person/nick was.. 00:46:04 <Digitalfox> Since i use chatzilla it doesn't have any major irc commands available, but i like the clean interface.. 00:46:21 <Digitalfox> I eman having some GUI for commands 00:46:25 <Digitalfox> mean 00:46:43 <voodoo070> gui? 00:46:48 <voodoo070> never use it really 00:46:52 <Digitalfox> Grafical User Interface 00:47:01 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 00:47:03 <voodoo070> but i've been on irc for 10+ years 00:47:24 <glx> _42_ is an eggdrop script 00:47:45 <voodoo070> which uses a gseen tcl or module :) 00:48:00 <Digitalfox> voodoo070: I've been using IRC since 1996, but i never spend a lot of time learning commands 00:48:11 <voodoo070> hm 00:48:15 <voodoo070> how old are you? :) 00:48:15 <glx> not all modules are enabled ;) 00:48:18 <Digitalfox> Used some Mirc scripts and now chatzilla 00:48:24 <Digitalfox> 24 00:48:26 <voodoo070> hm 00:48:32 <voodoo070> im 23 00:48:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i miss the "kick (why)" gui from mIRC 00:48:42 <voodoo070> back when i first used irc, everybody messed around 00:48:49 <voodoo070> on ircnet 00:48:58 <voodoo070> lotsa botsnets dossing etc 00:49:03 <glx> chatzilla is bad because when firefox crashes you go out of irc :) 00:49:21 <Digitalfox> I still remember having lot's of crashes with my connection in a 33.6k 00:49:25 <voodoo070> so i've grown accustomed to commands 00:49:26 <voodoo070> :) 00:49:50 <Digitalfox> glx: It never crashes.. That's the beauty of firefox vs IE or others 00:49:54 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: i'd suggest multiple instances of firefox in that case ;) 00:50:50 <Digitalfox> glx: And i always have lot's of tabs open at the same time.. One time i had more than 50 tabs.. ( researching some network stuff ) 00:51:18 <glx> same here many tabs opened 00:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't like tabs, i always have multiple windows 00:51:58 <glx> flash ads used to kill my firefox when I had a slow computer 00:52:24 <Digitalfox> Even if i am a guy who works with windows networks, i just can't use IE, i use firefox since 0.9.. 00:52:53 <voodoo070> i used linux a long time till i got forced to windows cause of school 00:53:02 <voodoo070> so had to use mozilla and firefox 00:53:23 <Digitalfox> And the firefox extensions are great, so mutch things you can do with firefox without buying extra software 00:53:35 <voodoo070> yeah very nice for web development 00:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember the last time i "bought" software, honestly 00:54:16 <voodoo070> for commercial purposes you have to 00:54:18 <Digitalfox> Like ad blocking, ftp client, irc client, etc.. I have a lot of extensions installed with firefox, and all free 00:54:30 <voodoo070> i'd say private software should be free 00:54:34 <voodoo070> but commercial shouldnt 00:54:50 <voodoo070> unless the developers want to ofcourse 00:54:50 <voodoo070> :) 00:54:52 <Digitalfox> voodoo070: The problem is that companies will abuse 00:55:01 <voodoo070> compared to homeusers? 00:55:04 <voodoo070> companies are saints 00:55:05 <voodoo070> :) 00:55:37 <Digitalfox> I have comapnies that just have all networks illegaly, cause they think they can get always away without being catch 00:55:41 <Digitalfox> companies 00:55:45 <voodoo070> small ones prolly 00:56:00 <voodoo070> larger companies cover all their risks 00:56:11 <voodoo070> illegal software is quite a risk 00:56:23 <voodoo070> opening avenues for litigation 00:56:24 <Digitalfox> Not really some medium too, but servers are always the first thing i try to force to use legal software 00:56:55 <voodoo070> servers should be *nix, which is mostly free anyway atm 00:57:04 <voodoo070> support is only thing thats not 00:57:39 <Digitalfox> Here in Portugal software is very expensive.. Comparing to the paychecks 00:58:06 <voodoo070> thats why opensource is so compelling in such countries 00:58:08 <voodoo070> :) 00:58:43 <voodoo070> software shouldnt be paid for anyway when you can sell manpower to maintain it 00:59:16 <Digitalfox> Like the minium money a employe receives for month is like 400EUR, and windows xp pro cost's 300EUR 00:59:30 <voodoo070> yeah 00:59:33 <Digitalfox> So it's a bit complicated 00:59:37 <voodoo070> think of third world countries 00:59:45 <voodoo070> where average pay is 20 euro's /month 00:59:58 <Digitalfox> Portugal is passing a large crise.. 01:00:09 <voodoo070> i think we all are in some way :) 01:00:19 *** tk|Zzz [~tokai@p54B82F0F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:00:25 <voodoo070> at least we've had economic problems in netherlands aswell 01:00:33 <voodoo070> getting better tho 01:00:52 <Digitalfox> Inflaction is going up, and people receive the same 01:01:26 <voodoo070> yeah dunno how politics is in portugal 01:01:31 <voodoo070> dont hear much about it 01:01:40 <Digitalfox> But we are starting to bet in tecnhology and cientific investigation 01:02:03 <Digitalfox> Still Portugal is one of the countrys in world with more cell phones for peron 01:02:05 <Digitalfox> person 01:02:07 <Digitalfox> like 2 and 3 01:02:08 <voodoo070> lol 01:02:13 <voodoo070> is that something to be proud of? :P 01:02:17 <Digitalfox> no 01:02:21 <voodoo070> i hate the things 01:02:27 <voodoo070> mine dominates my life 01:02:31 <Digitalfox> But people here try to live better that they can 01:02:31 <voodoo070> they suck :P 01:02:39 *** tk|Zzz [~tokai@p54B84BD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:02:46 <Digitalfox> People here all have mercedes, audi, bmw 01:02:50 <voodoo070> hehe 01:02:54 <voodoo070> southern mentality 01:02:56 <voodoo070> we call that 01:02:57 <gass> lol ... true 01:03:02 <Digitalfox> even if they are not rich or have any lot of money 01:03:14 <voodoo070> most medeteranean people do that 01:03:17 <voodoo070> buy a very nice car 01:03:23 <voodoo070> which costs more than their house 01:03:23 <voodoo070> :P 01:03:33 <Digitalfox> I have an Audi A3 1.9 TDI Sport, but i work a lot and own a samll company.. 01:03:38 <Digitalfox> small 01:03:51 <voodoo070> i wouldnt spend much on a car anyway 01:03:56 <voodoo070> unless i have money to throw around 01:03:58 <voodoo070> which i dont 01:04:01 * voodoo070 poor student 01:04:21 <Digitalfox> God knows what it cost to pay tax's and employes every month 01:04:24 <voodoo070> im over 10k in debt 01:04:27 <gass> gass joins voodoo070 01:04:35 * gass joins voodoo070 01:04:37 <voodoo070> lol 01:04:38 <voodoo070> :P 01:04:45 <voodoo070> what do you study? 01:04:54 <gass> Mechanical engineering :P 01:04:58 <voodoo070> ah 01:04:58 <Digitalfox> I started a year ago, and it's getting to compensate.. 01:05:03 <voodoo070> chem engineering here 01:05:16 <gass> Digitalfox: where are you from? 01:05:20 <gass> in portugal? 01:05:22 <Digitalfox> Portugal 01:05:28 <Digitalfox> yes :) 01:05:30 <voodoo070> i've only been to porto 01:05:38 <gass> Digitalfox: i am at Aveiro 01:05:49 <gass> Digitalfox: maybe i am you neighbour 01:05:57 <Digitalfox> Well i'm at Torres Novas/Entroncamento 01:06:04 <Digitalfox> Santarem Distro 01:06:07 * voodoo070 zz 01:06:10 <gass> Digitalfox: i know the place 01:06:10 <voodoo070> cya later :) 01:06:13 <gass> vya voodoo070 01:06:16 <Digitalfox> voodoo070: Bye 01:06:22 <gass> Digitalfox: openttd addict? 01:06:27 <Digitalfox> yeah a lot 01:06:53 <gass> i had to stop playing 01:07:10 <Digitalfox> well i'm in pause now 01:07:11 <gass> i played old ttd a lot ... and openttd is even better 01:07:47 <Digitalfox> Yeah me too, started in 94 with tt original then deluxe, patch and now openttd 01:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i started with the TT demo ;) 01:10:03 <Eddi|zuHause> you could only play trains, and only 2 years 01:10:10 <Digitalfox> I never tried the demo until some months ago, just for fun 01:10:21 <Digitalfox> But it quits after some time 01:10:36 <Eddi|zuHause> my brother got so addicted, that he bought TT for a totally exaggerated price 01:11:30 <Digitalfox> really? 01:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it was like 120DM (now ~60EUR) 01:12:46 <gass> Eddi|zuHause: me too :P 01:13:07 <Digitalfox> 60EUR that's a lot :| 01:13:15 <gass> Eddi|zuHause: i played for 2 years, then new game, played again, over and over 01:16:40 <Digitalfox> It's a shame cris sawyer amde locomotion the way it did, it could a TT with so mutch potencial 01:16:46 <Digitalfox> made 01:17:12 <gass> Digitalfox: and then take away openttd's costumers?? NO! 01:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that sentence does not parse... 01:17:31 <Digitalfox> gass: lol 01:18:01 <gass> Eddi|zuHause: ?? 01:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean Digitalfox's sentence 01:18:53 <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause: I mean that locomotion could be a lot more, and for me it just don't go near TT or TTD 01:19:37 <Digitalfox> I played locomotion for a week and then give up.. I don't like the way it works 01:20:01 <Digitalfox> And only have new trains until 2000?? 01:20:26 <Digitalfox> ~Locomotion feels it was made with an expansion in the head of cris 01:21:54 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:24:54 <Digitalfox> Bye everyone, have to sleep to work.. ;) 01:25:08 *** Sham [~name@83.234.108.2] has joined #openttd 01:25:18 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:20 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 01:25:25 <Sham> ldnfl n 01:25:55 *** Sham is now known as sleep 01:29:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r8399 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r8185): a new road stop was always created in CmdBuildRoadStop(), but it was not deleted if DC_EXEC flag was not set or if the station creation failed 01:33:10 *** Digitalfox is now known as Digitalfox_zzz 01:35:55 *** sleep [~name@83.234.108.2] has quit [Quit: NeoRa TrioN v1.0 - www.NEORA.ru] 01:36:09 *** sleep [~name@83.234.108.2] has joined #openttd 01:36:16 *** sleep [~name@83.234.108.2] has left #openttd [] 01:42:18 <Ailure> hmm 01:42:33 <Ailure> quite a strange bug 01:44:19 <Sacro> http://www.getacoder.com/projects/need_operating_system_42879.html anyone fancy a project? 01:45:30 <setrodox> wtf :P 01:46:04 <setrodox> "Note that I only accept quality work and do not want any quickly done BS." 01:46:27 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp31-254.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> err... shouldn't he have to offer more like 1000000$ for that? 01:47:57 *** Digitalfox_zzz [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:48:40 <setrodox> it's funny how he gets bids from webdevelopers :P 01:55:20 <gass> the indian company ... :P 01:57:14 <Ailure> (Operasting System) 01:57:16 <Ailure> :D 01:57:26 <Ailure> if I had time 01:57:39 <Ailure> I would try to sell this guy a linux distro 01:57:44 <setrodox> heh 01:57:45 <Ailure> with Wine hidden and automated 01:57:56 <Ailure> it probably run enough Win XP programs to keep him content 01:58:08 <Ailure> or rather 01:58:14 <Ailure> without him noticing any fallacies 01:58:56 <Ailure> 01:58:56 <Ailure> Hello... 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Company Profile: We objective is to make a positive impact on clients, co-workers, and the Internet using my skills and experience to design compelling and attractive web 01:59:03 <Ailure> haha 01:59:06 <Ailure> stupid spammers 01:59:18 <Ailure> I kinda imagine what kind of programmers they are anyway 02:01:16 <Ailure> I like the idea of that site 02:01:37 <Ailure> though I don't feel experienced yet to take tasks like that 02:02:15 <Ailure> hm 02:02:20 <Ailure> but I think I saw a diffrent site 02:02:24 <Ailure> with the same idea before 02:03:36 <Ailure> ugh 02:03:40 <Ailure> but it's plagued with spam 02:04:42 <setrodox> hmm.... i saw the nick ailure somewhere else before i think 02:04:54 <Ailure> Like where? 02:05:01 <Ailure> Been on ROM hacking boards? 02:05:16 <setrodox> oh, yeah, acmlm's? 02:05:21 <Ailure> yes 02:05:26 <Ailure> I'm a Admin there 02:05:27 <Ailure> lol 02:05:32 <Eddi|zuHause> get a room, people ;) 02:05:48 <setrodox> i haven't been on that forum for years though ^^ 02:05:50 <Ailure> hell I posted a openTTD thread there 02:05:53 <setrodox> heh 02:05:56 <Ailure> I recnoize your name 02:06:02 <Ailure> somehow 02:06:09 <Ailure> might seen you in the memberlist on the old board 02:07:05 <setrodox> seems my login there doesn't work anymore :( 02:07:06 <Ailure> hmm 02:07:06 <setrodox> i went up in the ranks rather fast for the short time i was there ^^ 02:07:11 <Ailure> ah yeah you did 02:07:20 <Ailure> I recall you having a staff position at some point 02:07:25 <Ailure> which reminds me 02:07:34 <setrodox> i did? :o 02:07:38 <Ailure> I should probably post another thread about openTTD 0.5.0 when it's releaesd 02:07:40 <setrodox> i don't remember that ^^ 02:07:42 <Ailure> so I can get people playing again 02:07:46 <setrodox> yeah :) 02:07:48 <Ailure> or maybe you were just a active poster 02:07:58 <setrodox> i was pretty active ^^ 02:08:09 <setrodox> after the move to the new board i was top poster for a while ;) 02:08:45 <Ailure> ah 02:08:50 <Ailure> we're on the third board now 02:08:53 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-144-6-60.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: night] 02:08:57 <Ailure> second restart was done on purpose though 02:09:00 <setrodox> third? :o 02:09:00 <Ailure> to clean out some drama 02:09:06 <Ailure> and it's pretty calm nowdays 02:09:40 <Ailure> http://board.acmlm.org/thread.php?id=7827 02:09:41 <Ailure> lol 02:09:48 <Ailure> I loved how someone told me that he liked the music 02:09:48 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:09:50 <Ailure> in openTTD 02:10:15 <Triffid_Hunter> lol, never realised there was any.. always have netradio playing 02:10:16 <setrodox> heh 02:10:23 <Ailure> thoose screenshots no longer work 02:10:31 <Ailure> but they're pretty crappy by my current standards 02:10:34 <Ailure> I'm a picky openTTD player 02:11:04 <Ailure> " 02:11:04 <Ailure> I try to tutor people if they're totally newbie too, since openTTD sadly lacks a tutorial mode. :/ 02:11:05 <Ailure> reminds me 02:11:11 <Ailure> I really need to make tutorial videos 02:11:12 <setrodox> Ailure, btw, are there no more html decorations in the posts anymore? or can't i see them because i'm not logged in? ^^ 02:11:20 <Ailure> latter 02:11:23 <Ailure> they're disabled for guests 02:11:25 <Ailure> for bandwidth reasons 02:11:26 <setrodox> ah 02:11:31 <Ailure> we get alot of bots sometimes 02:11:37 <Ailure> spider bots 02:11:39 <Ailure> such as google's 02:11:43 <Ailure> and we did that instead of banning them 02:12:04 <setrodox> maybe i'll reregister, had a nice atmosphere last time i was there as far as i remembered ^^ 02:12:46 <Ailure> good timing 02:12:50 <Ailure> as the drama have a all-time low :p 02:12:56 <setrodox> what happened out of the fighting system btw? 02:13:05 <setrodox> i remember the hidden item shop and stuff like that ^^ 02:13:05 <Ailure> we had a pretty rough period when you were gone 02:13:07 <Ailure> oh 02:13:17 <Ailure> IT's not going to be finished for Acmlmboard 1.X 02:13:23 <Ailure> It's going to be for 2.X 02:13:27 <setrodox> oh 02:13:30 <Ailure> which might never be finished D: 02:13:34 <setrodox> :( 02:13:41 <Ailure> bit of a shame 02:13:43 <Ailure> I liked the concept 02:14:09 <Ailure> funny how I come across a former Acmlm board member on #openTTD XD 02:14:21 <setrodox> yeah ^^ 02:15:01 <setrodox> is the "secret" board still working too? 02:15:15 <Ailure> lost threads, or the totally seperate board? 02:15:21 <setrodox> the totally seperate board 02:15:22 <Ailure> for lost threads, it's not 255 02:15:24 <Ailure> instead of 99 02:15:26 <Ailure> ah 02:15:28 <Ailure> that it's still around 02:15:34 <Ailure> justus if that's what you mean 02:15:50 <setrodox> i got to it over one's signature with changing a bit of an url or so, i don't really remember ^^ 02:16:36 <Ailure> might also consider visiting #rohmacking at espernet 02:16:43 <Ailure> since that's the semi-offical irc channel now 02:16:51 <setrodox> oh, i'll join :) 02:16:58 <Ailure> emunet is dead which was as well good 02:17:08 <Ailure> as the owner were never around anyway towards it's end 02:18:36 <Ailure> and now we can flood that channel instead of this one ;) 02:19:33 <Ailure> also heh 02:19:40 <Ailure> I need to get a video recording tool 02:19:48 <Ailure> for like recording on what's on the screen 02:31:00 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75F3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:47:08 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:51:49 <Ailure> hmm 02:51:55 <Ailure> how many FPS is openTTD? 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05:58:31 <hylje> it removes the limit on it 05:59:09 <TSC> Ah 06:08:53 *** ajmiles [~aj@212.241.231.3] has joined #openttd 06:17:50 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:29:08 <Ailure> [06:27] <peter1138> Ailure: 33.3333333333333333333333333333333333333 06:29:11 <Ailure> Cute number 06:29:21 <Ailure> xD 06:33:23 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:35:33 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 06:38:21 <peter1138> morning tron 06:42:15 *** imaginner [~imaginner@aclg115.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 06:44:32 <Tron> morning 06:47:34 <roboboy> how do I lay text over an immage in html? 06:47:52 <roboboy> or cant I? 06:47:59 <ln-> i didn't know openttd supports html 06:48:13 *** imaginner|away [~imaginner@acls27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:48:13 *** imaginner is now known as imaginner|away 06:48:21 <roboboy> im not alking directly about openttd 06:49:22 <blindwaves> Well, you can create a div with the image as the background. 06:49:29 <blindwaves> Then just throw the text inside the div? 06:49:58 <roboboy> ok and then can I turn the whole div into a link? 06:51:35 <MiHaMeK> mornin' 06:52:20 <blindwaves> Nah, that wouldn't be possible. 06:53:02 <roboboy> ok 06:53:10 <roboboy> ok 06:53:29 <roboboy> so I cant lay test over a button and have it as a link 06:53:35 <roboboy> text 06:53:37 <peter1138> reckless abuse of div tags! 06:53:58 <peter1138> roboboy, an a tag can have a background image... 06:54:12 <roboboy> ok 07:11:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8400 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: 07:11:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 07:11:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Simplify r8399 07:16:15 *** tk|Zzz [~tokai@p54B81B14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:19:11 *** tk|Zzz [~tokai@p54B801D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:21:13 *** ceji [~cerny@imapc47.epfl.ch] has joined #openttd 07:39:49 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:23 *** Tino|Home is now known as TinoM 07:53:01 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:02:40 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:20:31 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B28D95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:34:21 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:34:42 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 08:41:14 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 08:43:00 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:18 *** tk|Zzz [~tokai@p54B801D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:51:41 *** tk|Zzz [~tokai@p54B83B7F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:52:12 <peter1138> hmm 08:52:19 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 08:52:26 <MeusH> hi 08:52:36 <ThePizzaKing> hello 08:56:19 <ln-> it's winter 08:58:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r8401 /trunk/src/ (station.cpp station.h): 08:58:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Make 'IsValidRoadStop' a method of RoadStop and rename it to 'IsValid' 08:58:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: While I'm at it, put 'RoadStop::AllocateRaw' into the protected section 09:01:16 <XeryusTC> peter1138: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Stations#Terrain_and_track_type_42_ <- still doesnt work as it should, it still doesn't work in OTTD :( 09:20:42 <peter1138> works for me 09:21:14 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 09:23:00 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:24:50 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 09:26:09 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-144-6-60.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:26:09 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26:12 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 09:29:59 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> galapagos.oftc.net quits: eQualizer, KUDr_wrk, TinoDidri 09:30:44 *** Netsplit over, joins: TinoDidri, KUDr_wrk, eQualizer 09:31:26 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:32:24 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:32:30 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:32:41 <prakti> I would like to submit a patch for table/namegen.h. Is "diff -au <oldfile> <newfile>" for creating a patch sufficient for you ? 09:36:51 <peter1138> svn diff is preferable 09:38:50 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 09:38:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 09:44:42 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B28D95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 09:47:46 <peter1138> pom te pom 09:50:33 <prakti> peter1138: I'm sorry but I'm not patching against an svn build but against RC4. 09:50:46 <prakti> Is that a serious problem? It's only namegen.h 09:54:16 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 09:54:17 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:59:42 *** qkr [~gg@dc135-138.dc.turkuamk.fi] has joined #openttd 09:59:52 <qkr> hi 10:00:22 <blathijs> prakti: It would be easier for us (== more likely the patch will be accepted) if you do it against svn 10:00:39 <blathijs> prakti: Since every fix we make is first applied to trunk and, if it's critical, backported to 0.5 10:01:28 <blathijs> prakti: And patches that are made against trunk will most likely apply cleanly against trunk, while patches against anything else are less likely to 10:03:02 <qkr> why don't steel mills produce anything in openttd? 10:03:34 <peter1138> because you're not sending them anything? 10:04:01 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.229/openTTD/animationTest.gif 10:04:19 <Ailure> Or what happens when i'm bored :) 10:04:22 <Ailure> I know it's a heavy file 10:04:30 <Ailure> and a dumb format to use for compressing openTTD 10:04:56 <Ailure> the pictures were orginally BMP's 10:05:00 <Ailure> that I convered into GIF's 10:05:06 <Ailure> who later was put together by some GIF animation program 10:05:17 <Ailure> Just some proof of concept 10:05:29 <Ailure> as I didn't find any good free software for recording on what's the screenš 10:05:33 <Ailure> realtime 10:06:18 *** tk|Zzz [~tokai@p54B83B7F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:38 <qkr> peter1138 I am sending them iron ore, they still don't produce steel 10:07:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r8402 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Move RoadStop-specific enums to the RoadStop class, and changed a one-member enum into a static const. Simplify their naming and add some doxygen-comments to RoadStop 10:08:08 <peter1138> Ailure: not dithering would be a good start 10:08:20 <peter1138> Ailure: as openttd is 8bpp to start with, there's no reason for it 10:08:21 <Ailure> I chooesed the worst quality in the batch convertor 10:08:27 <caladan> Ailure: you could use ksnapshot under linux 10:08:31 <Ailure> so this was a quick and dirty thing 10:08:34 <caladan> executed from command line 10:08:36 <Ailure> I have Windows 10:09:13 <Ailure> I didn't dig into the batch conversation tool much to be honest 10:09:21 *** tk|Zzz [~tokai@p54B82853.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:12:14 <Ailure> updated it now 10:12:20 <Ailure> there should be no unneded dithering 10:12:51 <caladan> there are tools for linux to record off screen 10:12:57 <caladan> maybe ill test that after my exam :D 10:13:33 <Ailure> the fwe tools I found for what I wanted to do 10:13:37 <Ailure> was for Linux D: 10:13:45 <Ailure> I hardly started even 10:13:50 <peter1138> Ailure, btw, it's "chose" 10:13:58 <peter1138> yay for english verbs :D 10:14:10 <Ailure> chose where? 10:14:32 <peter1138> "I chooesed ..." 10:14:42 <Ailure> eh 10:14:45 <Ailure> that was just me typing too fast 10:15:03 <peter1138> so what did you mean to type? 10:15:43 <Darkvater> morning 10:16:02 <Ailure> choose 10:16:43 <peter1138> gah, it's looking like a non-word now, heh 10:16:48 <peter1138> mr vater again 10:18:01 <Darkvater> hehe 10:20:26 <Ailure> :P 10:23:02 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:32:43 *** Tron_ [3kk5dHF9@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 10:42:21 <DaleStan> XeryusTC: The correct way to report NFO bugs in Open is to provide a GRF file and two savegames: one from TTDPatch, demonstrating the expected behaviour, and one from OpenTTD, demonstrating the observed behaviour. For bonus points, include ttdpatch.cfg, screenshots, and a description of what you think is going wrong. 10:42:50 *** voodoo070 [~voodoo@c529c249d.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:43:18 <DaleStan> "It doesn't work" is not a bug report. 10:48:50 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.229/openTTD/animationTest2.gif 10:48:55 <Ailure> small stutter now and then 10:49:00 <Ailure> I blame the memory allocation :o 10:49:09 <Ailure> guess I fix that later 10:49:17 <Ailure> then start optimizing it so it's not as much of a memory hog 10:49:28 <Ailure> it's just not for openTTD 10:49:39 <Ailure> I just choosed openTTD as it's the only thing I had around with smooth animation xD 10:50:22 <prakti> blathijs: affirmative 10:57:48 <peter1138> Ailure: as i said earlier, the word is "chose" 10:58:10 <Ailure> :( 10:59:36 *** qkr [~gg@dc135-138.dc.turkuamk.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:11 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 11:11:26 <gass> Ailure: video on gif? 11:11:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r8403 /trunk/src/ (station.h station_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r8402): Forgot to remove an enum 11:11:55 <Ailure> Give me a video batch tool 11:11:58 <Ailure> and I use that D: 11:12:12 <Ailure> I made some program that screenshots a certain amount of times per second 11:12:18 <Ailure> then I converted thoose screens to gif manually 11:12:29 <Ailure> since I had no better tool around 11:12:45 <Ailure> I know that GIF is a quite clumsy animation format 11:12:51 <Ailure> :p 11:16:27 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has joined #openttd 11:21:00 *** ufoun-- [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 11:21:54 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@dns1.netanday.it] has joined #openttd 11:22:31 <Wolf01> 13:11:55 < Ailure> Give me a video batch tool 11:22:31 <Wolf01> 13:11:58 < Ailure> and I use that D: 11:22:31 <Wolf01> ailure, try with the rad tools 11:22:43 <Ailure> ok 11:22:45 <Ailure> heh 11:23:21 <Wolf01> http://www.radgametools.com/bnkdown.htm 11:26:08 <Wolf01> 3% and is already compressed to 8MB 11:27:45 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:28 <Wolf01> the only problem then is that you need a viewer for the movie, or you can make an exe with viewer+movie 11:30:19 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 11:32:48 <Wolf01> you can also embed the viewer on games, starcraft animations are all .smk 11:33:11 <Wolf01> (i mean menu animations and portraits) 11:47:23 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:24 <Ailure> heh 11:50:17 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 11:59:07 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-20.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:00:01 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:06:09 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 12:13:05 <Brianetta> My respect for MagicBuzz hust took a hit: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=545910#545910 12:16:56 *** tk|Zzz [~tokai@p54B82853.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:18:18 <peter1138> you had respect for him? heh 12:18:34 *** tk|Zzz [~tokai@p54B8099A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:20:38 <Brianetta> peter1138: Everybody starts with respect of 0 plus delta, ie a tiny positive, and their conduct increments and decrements my respect for them. 12:21:53 <Brianetta> Dalestan's went to negative after I saw his manner, then climbed and climbed as I enjoyed reading what he wrote. MagicBuzz's was just zero - I couldn't care less - but that post just made me think of him as a brainless plonker. 12:22:30 <blindwaves> Sounds like he doesn't know how to build a proper rail network. 12:26:45 <peter1138> ah, heh 12:27:15 <Ailure> I thought MagicBuzz threw a fit 12:27:22 <Ailure> when someoen commented on a screenshot of his negativly 12:27:23 <Ailure> D: 12:27:27 <Ailure> starting with me 12:27:31 <Ailure> or maybe it was someone else 12:28:44 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0F848.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:51 <RichK67> at least MagicBuzz writes code when he finds something he doesnt like, rather than just whine about it like 90% of everyone else ;) 12:31:04 <peter1138> :) 12:31:13 <peter1138> his town name patch is too big though, hehe 12:31:51 <Brianetta> RichK67: Still, coding around an option that can be set in openttd.cfg is just... well, words fail me. 12:33:13 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 12:34:25 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0DB9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:32 <RichK67> yeah... bad traffic management ;) 12:34:49 <Ailure> RichK67, true but he get's offended when people question the usability of his patch 12:34:52 <RichK67> i have about 1 crash per month 12:35:00 <RichK67> real life month that is 12:35:04 <Ailure> I have a few ideas of a few personal patches I might make 12:35:18 <Ailure> but I doubt that anyone else cares about them 12:35:32 <Ailure> due how they're so spefic 12:35:34 <Ailure> to certain solutions 12:40:56 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 12:42:25 <RichK67> my RouteMarkers patch is nearly ready for a v1.0 release... lets you organise your trains into groups that the PF then routes based on the group colour... very useful on a heavy mixed mainline... you can ensure that the slow freight are the ones that pull into the sidings, freeing up the mainline... (similar to waypoints, but way quicker to modify ... waypoints determine the end destination, routemarkers help guide it along the way inbetween) 12:48:17 <Smoovious> hmm... did you guys know that a map with dimensions of 1024, only goes from 0-1022? 12:50:11 <peter1138> 1023 is void 12:50:17 <peter1138> isn't it rich :D 12:50:30 <RichK67> only when you set it so ;) 12:52:10 *** blindwaves [~here@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:52:55 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F769.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:53:06 <RichK67> bbs 12:59:44 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489FF11.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:19 *** voodoo070 [~voodoo@c529c249d.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:10:50 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:51 <Wolf01> 13:36:03] <Ailure> I have a few ideas of a few personal patches I might make -> tell me what, maybe i can help you as now i finished my ideas list :) 13:17:38 *** Rubidium is now known as Guest1098 13:18:09 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 13:18:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 13:19:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CEE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:23:57 <Ailure> Wolf01 well 13:24:02 <Ailure> I wanted to make paths configurable 13:24:32 <Ailure> such as where screenshots appear whenever you take a screenshot 13:24:53 <Ailure> Thought it wouldn't be too hard to program, but still gives me some training at C++ in general. 13:25:18 <Ailure> And with the openTTD source 13:28:56 <Ailure> I only want to do that for screenshots 13:29:03 <Ailure> as I have screenshot folder on my webserver 13:29:25 <Ailure> but I could expand it to some other path based stuff 13:30:26 <peter1138> path based signalling! 13:30:38 <Ailure> eh 13:30:44 <Ailure> I mean paths in file systems of course ;) 13:30:54 <Ailure> lol 13:31:33 <Wolf01> good, this evening i'll give a look how to add a entry in the openttd.cfg where you can put the path for the screenshots 13:31:50 <Ailure> yeah that is what I was planning to do 13:32:00 <Ailure> I wonder why it dosen't try to default to the home folder of the OS 13:32:03 <Ailure> as well 13:32:15 <voodoo070> is there such a setting? 13:32:19 <voodoo070> OS_HOME_DIR? 13:32:20 <voodoo070> ;) 13:32:21 <Ailure> or rather of the current user account 13:32:25 <voodoo070> i'd say no 13:32:27 <Ailure> it's not too hard in Windows nor Linux 13:32:37 <Ailure> or any real multi-user OS 13:32:45 <voodoo070> you'd have to code it for each specific OS 13:33:27 <voodoo070> maybe not.. im not an expert but i'd think so 13:34:39 <Wolf01> i think the home directory should remain the game directory, and users add "C:\MyScreensDir" or "/home/screens_dir" or what they want 13:34:43 <Wolf01> in the cgf 13:34:45 <Wolf01> *cfg 13:35:30 <voodoo070> yeah that should work 13:37:37 <Tefad> most it's $HOME or %APPDIR% or something. 13:41:04 <Darkvater> you should use CSLID's the least 13:43:37 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB63A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:58 <Maedhros> \o/ 13:48:11 <Maedhros> my new (well, new to me, anyway) laptop has arrived! 13:49:07 *** ceji [~cerny@imapc47.epfl.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:56:06 * Darkvater slaps Maedhros 13:56:06 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:08 <Darkvater> congrats 13:56:10 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-187-175.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 13:56:17 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 13:56:29 <Maedhros> :p 13:56:35 <Maedhros> what was the slap for? 13:57:20 <Brianetta> It looked like a congratulatory slap, to me 13:57:42 <Brianetta> Just don't accept any offers of a slap-up meal 13:57:53 <Maedhros> hehe 13:58:09 <Darkvater> to snap out of it and start coding ^^ 13:58:17 <Darkvater> << going home 14:09:39 *** __TDI___ [~dr@85.21.179.33] has joined #openttd 14:09:51 <__TDI___> hello 14:10:10 <__TDI___> could you help me to find maps over the 2048x2048? 14:12:50 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [Quit: RichK67] 14:26:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:26:25 *** tk|Zzz [~tokai@p54B8099A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B838A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:28:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:35:50 <__TDI___> could you help me to find maps over the 2048x2048? 14:36:43 *** ceji [~ceji@imapc47.epfl.ch] has joined #openttd 14:36:46 *** ceji [~ceji@imapc47.epfl.ch] has left #openttd [] 14:37:34 *** qkr [~qkr@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe18fa00-70.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:39:08 * Maedhros is tempted to suggest looking under the bed 14:39:31 <Maedhros> you can't create maps over 2048^2... i don't know why, but i can only assume there are good reasons for it 14:40:05 <__TDI___> how can i create? there is no map creator in openttd 14:40:38 <Wolf01> clearly you need eyeglasses 14:40:49 <Maedhros> yes there is - it's called a scenario editor 14:41:39 <__TDI___> scenarion editor has only 515x512 14:41:55 <Wolf01> which version of ottd are you using? 14:42:09 <__TDI___> 0.4.8 14:42:39 <Wolf01> have you ever tried to click on those magic numbers? 14:43:52 <__TDI___> editor doesn't have resolution 14:44:34 <Wolf01> i don't have chance, i pass 14:44:49 <glx> you need to set it in main window before pressing the create scenario button 14:44:52 <Maedhros> hmm, it's been a long time since i tried 0.4.8, but i think you can set the map size in the patches window somewhere 14:45:55 <Wolf01> 0.4.8 is pre-tgp, so it have 2 buttons with the map sizes in the intro gui 14:48:18 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 14:53:38 <__TDI___> i made 5.0 it's ok have 2048 14:57:24 <Ailure> [14:35] <Wolf01> i think the home directory should remain the game directory, and users add "C:\MyScreensDir" or "/home/screens_dir" or what they want 14:58:36 <Ailure> heh I think it's better that it defaults to the home folder 14:58:45 <Ailure> and users can change it t othe game folder if they really want to 14:58:53 <hylje> :o 14:58:57 <Ailure> most modern games 14:59:08 <Ailure> puts it's savefiles in the Windows equilant of home folder 14:59:12 <hylje> maybe to $HOME/images 14:59:32 <Ailure> such as Simcity 4 14:59:51 <Sionide> i'd like the option to save to desktop personally 14:59:52 <Ailure> it puts its savefiles within the current users my documents folder 15:00:06 <Wolf01> i can't play with modern games, and all games i have, if they can make screenies, they create them in their own folder 15:00:15 <Ailure> unlss it's a Win9x system 15:00:18 <Sionide> i put nearly everything on the desktop before i sort it into it's correct folder 15:00:30 <Ailure> most games puts their screenshot in their own folder 15:00:35 <Ailure> even openTTD in a way D: 15:00:43 <Ailure> which I found problmematic 15:01:02 <Ailure> well I mean 15:01:13 <Ailure> "putting in their own folder without any options to change that path" 15:01:25 <Wolf01> i think the default should be "their own folder", and the option "what folder you want" 15:01:39 <Wolf01> not vice versa 15:01:46 <hylje> yep. a $ENV and %ENV% parsing mechanism could be cool 15:10:27 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B28D95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:11:31 <Ailure> whoose folder? 15:11:34 <Ailure> the users or the programs? 15:11:34 <Ailure> :P 15:11:55 <hylje> maybe some magic 15:12:01 <Ailure> fewer programs are using it's own folder for Windows 15:12:03 <hylje> if can't save to its dir 15:12:08 <hylje> it tries homedir 15:12:10 <Ailure> and for Linux, it's the norm to save stuff locally in the user folders 15:12:16 <Ailure> and what Hylye said 15:12:21 <Ailure> might work too heh 15:12:31 <hylje> l2spell 15:12:32 <Ailure> otherwise users on somewhat restricted multi-users systems 15:12:56 <Ailure> would get alot of problems I guess when the game can't save :) 15:21:03 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:22:11 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 15:23:42 <Wolf01> bbl 15:23:44 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@dns1.netanday.it] has quit [] 15:26:07 *** pepto [~pepto@i577B77FA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:26:41 <pepto> hi 15:27:35 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 15:27:52 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:32 <pepto> could someone please give me a hint with openttd? when i start the game, i get the splashscreen with several buttons, but htere are only questionmarks 15:28:53 <pepto> i guess i am missing some file 15:30:06 <pepto> #wiki 15:30:10 <pepto> ups 15:31:15 <Rubidium> apparently using 0.5.0-RC4; if so, remove lang/russian.lng 15:31:18 <peter1138> delete lang/russian.lng, unless you're russian 15:31:36 <pepto> thannks a lot guys 15:33:27 <pepto> erm.. which path is this in? 15:33:42 <pepto> i am using the mac os version 15:33:58 <pepto> OpenTTD 0.5.0-RC4 15:34:08 <Rubidium> uhm, open the application bundle 15:34:38 <glx> Contents/lang in the bundle I think 15:34:41 <Rubidium> then Contents/Lang/russian.lang 15:34:52 <pepto> hm, there is no .lngfile at all 15:34:54 <Rubidium> *russian.lng 15:35:20 <pepto> do i have to install this maybe? 15:35:58 <Rubidium> nope, there should be some option to 'open' the application bundle without executing it 15:37:54 <pepto> i found something on the openttdpage, i have to modify the config file 15:39:39 <pepto> yep its russian per default 15:41:33 *** Guest1098 [rubidium@openttd.org] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 15:41:33 *** Belugas [belugas@openttd.org] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 15:42:10 <pepto> if someone asks: i opened the configfile with texteditor, and changed the string russian.lng to english.lng 15:42:27 <pepto> now everything is fine 15:42:29 <Darkvater> that is solution #2 yes 15:43:19 <pepto> is this possible with other languages too? 15:43:47 <Darkvater> yes, but it's more friendly to select languages fom the gui 15:43:48 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x57355a55.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:44:09 <pepto> i see 15:44:19 <peter1138> assuming you know the english for 'options' and 'language', heh 15:44:30 <pepto> *g* 15:45:38 <pepto> i foud this yesterday, and it reminds me on the old sim city 2000 game 15:45:48 <Darkvater> sacrilige! 15:45:49 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has joined #openttd 15:45:52 <pepto> hehe 15:45:53 <Darkvater> this is much better :) 15:46:20 <pepto> i will have an endless night 15:46:26 <pepto> thats for sure 15:47:16 <Tefad> heh 15:47:31 <Tefad> i was playing this around the same time i was playing sc2k 15:48:24 <Tefad> or at least TTO 15:48:39 <pepto> are there any cheats, btw? 15:48:45 <Tefad> yup 15:48:54 <Tefad> but they scar your save file 15:49:05 <pepto> scare? 15:49:13 <Darkvater> scar 15:49:17 <Tefad> meaning if some one looks for it, they see big red letters "HE CHEATED WHILE PLAYING THIS GAME!" 15:49:28 <pepto> lolllz 15:49:43 <Tefad> but yeah, there are cheats 15:49:52 <Tefad> something involving alt and an F-key i think 15:49:53 <Tefad> i forget 15:50:01 <Tefad> is it alt+C ? 15:50:01 <pepto> g 15:50:02 <Tefad> meh 15:50:08 <Darkvater> ctrl+alt+c 15:50:11 <Tefad> ah. 15:50:13 <pepto> dousnt matter 15:50:29 <pepto> i find it, when i need it 15:50:53 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 15:51:05 <pepto> ok then, thanks for your help 15:51:05 <Tefad> it isn't in the gui or anything 15:51:19 <pepto> bye 15:51:20 <Tefad> (are there any cheats that are? heh) 15:51:22 <Tefad> enjoy : D 15:51:28 <pepto> :))) 15:51:31 *** pepto [~pepto@i577B77FA.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting!] 15:55:34 *** Magus_X [t7DS@201-35-72-101.pltce7007.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 15:57:59 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:00 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-187-175.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 16:08:27 <PandaMojo> My first stab at playing OpenTTD on my new ergonomic keyboard. Totally. Weird. 16:08:34 <PandaMojo> :D 16:10:22 <hylje> totally 16:16:36 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 16:17:21 <Smoovious> try it on a dvorak 16:23:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> why the hell would one do that? 16:25:42 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB63A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 16:25:53 <Tefad> heh 16:27:20 *** __TDI___ [~dr@85.21.179.33] has quit [] 16:28:59 <Smoovious> masochism? 16:32:46 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB63A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:58 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:56:55 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:55 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:02 <Brianetta> ONE GIGASECOND!!!!!111!1!!one 17:03:47 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:05:37 <Magus_X> bah 17:05:44 <Magus_X> i hate those ergonomic keyboards 17:07:54 <Ailure> I hate any awkard keyboard 17:07:55 <Ailure> :p 17:12:00 <Tefad> i prefer model M 17:12:06 <Tefad> preferably with trackpoint 17:12:16 <Tefad> and i'm fond of black. 17:12:17 <Tefad> : D 17:12:25 <Tefad> i think i fubar'd mine though : ( 17:13:13 <Ailure> I prefer the one with coke spilled on it here and there 17:13:54 <Ailure> ;) 17:16:38 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-232-76.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:18:45 <caladan> Who tried to make those tutorials? 17:18:52 <caladan> how top play? 17:19:18 <Ailure> tutorials? 17:19:23 <Ailure> well I siad that I was considering to make a few 17:19:28 <Ailure> but I never got started :P 17:19:33 <caladan> hmm, ah, i understand 17:19:34 <Ailure> video tutoraals for openTTD 17:19:45 <caladan> Ive got nice tool for Linux unfortunatelly for you 17:19:49 <caladan> so i could do something 17:20:01 <Ailure> the few tools tha were free 17:20:02 <caladan> as soon as i have time and know how to use this exactly :D 17:20:06 <Ailure> were X-server only as well 17:20:08 <Ailure> xD 17:20:13 <Ailure> that I needed 17:22:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:26:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> i've seen recording tools for windows somewhere 17:26:37 <caladan> im gonna try a little video right now 17:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.techsmith.com/download/trials.asp 17:29:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> maybe that'll help you 17:30:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> also, there're probably a dozen free tools that can convert "stop motion" pictures into videos 17:32:08 <caladan> Hmm, i got normal capture program for Linux 17:32:17 <caladan> It's gonna work soon :D 17:32:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> that was aimed at Ailure... 17:34:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host76-232-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:34:41 <Wolf01> evening 17:36:54 *** Sillium [~x@e180064015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:37:01 *** Sillium [~x@e180064015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 17:37:36 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 17:37:42 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:57 <caladan> where could i upload such video? 17:42:59 <caladan> just for test now 17:43:05 <caladan> so you could see how it looks like 17:44:03 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@89.98.137.227] has joined #openttd 17:44:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> "this is left as an exercise for the reader" 17:45:38 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:28 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@d130067.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:28 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 17:49:09 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B8168C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:54:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B838A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:40 <Ailure> [18:31] <Eddi|zuHause2> also, there're probably a dozen free tools that can convert "stop motion" pictures into videos 17:54:43 <Ailure> heh yeah there probabl yis 17:55:01 <Ailure> I think I seen some even 17:55:12 <Ailure> although that screenshot thing was more done of a programming practice than anything 17:55:38 <Ailure> I made it after seeing how much camtasia costed D: 17:55:46 <Ailure> though I could use a free trail for a bit 17:56:18 *** Tron_ [3kk5dHF9@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:56:41 <Wolf01> snprintf(filename, sizeof(filename), "%s%s", _paths.personal_dir, _screenshot_name); 17:57:02 <Wolf01> there is already a support for a personal directory for screenshots 17:57:16 <Wolf01> or i'm wrong? 17:58:02 <glx> Wolf01: not on windows 17:58:09 <Ailure> _paths.personal_dir 17:58:13 <Ailure> seems to only point to like 17:58:15 <Ailure> the openTTD folder 17:58:19 <Ailure> I were looking at the soruce before 17:58:22 <Ailure> and saw that variable 17:58:26 <Ailure> but didn't look into further what it was 17:58:41 <Ailure> as I needed sleep at the time :p 17:59:44 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:46 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 18:06:38 <Darkvater> damn those dutch bitches :( 18:06:45 <Darkvater> they stole my sister's bike 18:06:46 <Darkvater> grr 18:09:51 <Ailure> DSMB 18:09:58 <Ailure> (Dutch stole my bike) 18:10:09 * Ailure plays that punch out theme 18:10:10 <Darkvater> :) 18:10:11 <Ailure> but ouch 18:10:13 <hylje> :> 18:10:15 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10:18 <Darkvater> anyways, bb later 18:18:22 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 18:18:22 *** blindwaves [~here@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 18:18:22 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:43 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:14 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has joined #openttd 18:37:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8404 /trunk/src/lang/ (korean.txt slovak.txt slovenian.txt ukrainian.txt): 18:37:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-01-25 19:36:44 18:37:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 2 changed by leejaeuk5 (2) 18:37:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: slovak - 1 changed by lengyel (1) 18:37:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: slovenian - 290 changed by Necrolyte (290) 18:37:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 1 fixed, 55 changed by mad (7), znikoz (49) 18:37:35 <caladan> if any would be interested in those video tutorials 18:37:38 <caladan> i made one 18:37:44 <caladan> and it can be downloaded here: 18:37:45 <caladan> http://www.free-file-host.com/bcd01bafe8ec67ab97dfaff881218cfd 18:37:54 <caladan> i;ve got to slow connection to host it myself... 18:38:15 <Ailure> god 18:38:23 <Ailure> misread Ukrainian as urination 18:41:52 <MiHaMeK> Ailure: go and pee then :P 18:58:51 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-204-188.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:02:48 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x57355a55.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 19:03:23 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:12 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has joined #openttd 19:06:43 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@89.98.137.227] has joined #openttd 19:08:07 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@89.98.137.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:07 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 19:16:53 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:27:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [] 19:27:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:25 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 19:30:05 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B8168C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:44 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B83842.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:34:26 *** ufoun-- [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: ufoun--] 19:39:35 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #openttd 19:44:57 *** Digitalfox_zzz [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:45:27 *** Digitalfox_zzz is now known as Digitalfox 19:52:49 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6BB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:50 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB63A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:50 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:45 *** A1win [a1win@loota.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:48 *** A1win [a1win@loota.fi] has joined #openttd 20:12:17 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6BB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:32 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6BB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:54 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 20:13:54 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 20:13:55 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 20:14:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:26:28 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:26:30 <Purno> XeryusTC 20:26:51 <XeryusTC> Purno 20:27:18 <Purno> hmm... 20:27:25 <Purno> did I say XeryusTC in this channel? :/ 20:27:39 <Purno> xchat must've switched channels 20:27:49 <hylje> :o 20:27:50 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:53 <Magus_X> yes you did 20:27:58 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:18 <Purno> yeah I noticed 20:29:31 <hylje> no you didnt 20:30:08 <qkr> I expanded the station window but the new stuff is not really "part" of the window, it gets drawn but makes a mess if I drag it around 20:34:17 *** Belugas [belugas@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 20:36:02 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:41:40 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 20:42:11 <qkr> ok I fixed that, but still some probs 20:44:50 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:46 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:59:46 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:31 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:05:21 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 21:13:27 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@d130021.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:13:35 *** qkr [~qkr@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe18fa00-70.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:18:05 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@89.98.137.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:05 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 21:21:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CEE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:36 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6BB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:28 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37:41 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 21:46:16 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has left #openttd [] 21:58:51 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D969.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:59:06 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498E827.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:43 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 21:59:49 <Gorre> ..morning 22:00:33 <guru3> evening.. 22:01:04 <Digitalfox> I hope newhouses is merged soon ( i know theres still some work :) ), becaus everytime the branch is updated my last scenarios and test saves, give assertion ( i gues it's because of the changes).. So i can play a new game with no fear of updating the revison build :) 22:01:26 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 22:03:58 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 22:05:55 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D969.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:10 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: I'm gone, bye bye :)] 22:07:10 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 22:09:09 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:10:52 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:33 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 22:12:29 <Darkvater> hmm 22:12:30 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: ping 22:12:48 <KUDr> pong 22:13:09 <peter1138> pang 22:13:11 <Darkvater> I have a savegame which I load in r8397 and which has 'elrails disabled' 22:13:27 <Darkvater> however the trains won't even move. I have to toggle the setting off and on 22:13:29 <Darkvater> and then it works 22:13:41 <Darkvater> was this always 'broken' or is it a cpp change? 22:13:46 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=29827&highlight= 22:14:02 <KUDr> i dunno 22:14:13 *** caladan [~caladan@161-be2-18.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:50 <KUDr> what revision was it saved with? 22:15:03 <Darkvater> RC4 I think 22:15:23 <KUDr> with disable elrails right? 22:15:39 <Darkvater> yes when the savegame is loaded elrails is disabled 22:15:41 *** pecisk [~pecisk@91.123.69.54] has joined #openttd 22:16:04 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-232-76.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:16:15 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-232-76.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 22:16:16 <KUDr> when it was save was elrail disabled too? 22:16:23 <KUDr> saved 22:16:39 <Darkvater> well when loaded elrails was disabled so I suppose it was disabled on save as well 22:16:43 <KUDr> because it look that it wasnt 22:16:51 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-232-76.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [] 22:16:58 <Darkvater> the guy has TIM's running on normal rails so it must've been 22:17:01 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-232-76.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 22:17:07 <KUDr> like problem with the patches vector 22:17:41 <Darkvater> ? 22:17:42 <KUDr> that we read true, but there was false, so adjusting was not doe to really disable elrails 22:18:00 <KUDr> doe->done 22:18:05 <Darkvater> I can only assume settings are saved correctly 22:18:31 <Darkvater> but perhaps this disable elrails needs running always because it changes engine data that is not saved? 22:18:39 <KUDr> was there any change in patches between RC4 and head? 22:19:11 <Darkvater> signal/semaphore build 22:19:17 <Darkvater> but I can try this in RC4 22:19:22 <KUDr> peter1138 told me that all engine data is saved 22:19:29 <KUDr> iirc 22:19:33 <Darkvater> wtf 22:19:38 <Darkvater> Error: !String 0x140E is invalid. Probably because an old version of the .lng file. 22:19:58 <Rubidium> Darkvater: autoreplacing? 22:20:01 <Darkvater> yes 22:20:03 <KUDr> is it this one?: Grandpa O'Toole Transport.sav 22:20:05 <Darkvater> yes 22:20:06 <peter1138> resetengines fixes that, but why is it wrong 22:20:21 <Darkvater> bleh this sucks 22:20:26 <peter1138> that affects the trsin build window 22:20:29 *** Magus_X [t7DS@201-35-72-101.pltce7007.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has left #openttd [] 22:20:35 <Darkvater> this crappy machine took me at least 15 minutes to get to this point 22:20:41 <Darkvater> now I have to do it all over again :( 22:20:45 <peter1138> it's not autoreplace 22:21:40 <Darkvater> but apparently RC4 doesn't have this problem 22:21:58 <KUDr> and is elrails disabled there? 22:22:07 <KUDr> when you load it into RC4? 22:22:34 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3D089.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:47 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387D681.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:23:09 <Darkvater> and neither does this happen on r8403 on windows 22:23:13 <Darkvater> or something 22:23:27 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: I have to compile it first 22:23:37 <peter1138> nini 22:23:45 <KUDr> peter1138: gn 22:23:55 <Darkvater> this is gonna take ages ;s 22:24:03 * Darkvater goes do something useful 22:24:08 <Darkvater> gn peter1138 22:28:33 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F537.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:38 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D969.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:35 <KUDr> hmm, in RC4 game load failed (new GRF files missing) 22:33:51 <KUDr> fucking newGRFs! 22:34:06 <KUDr> only problems 22:34:14 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-20.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:34:59 <KUDr> Darkvater: you had some trick how to force it to load? 22:36:14 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 22:36:29 <KUDr> dbg: [GRF] NewGRF 535A0200 (trafficsetw.grf) not found; checksum 5952CC39D9D5D79D0EF2A6AE5E0D2964 22:36:29 <KUDr> dbg: [GRF] NewGRF 535A0901 (fencew.grf) not found; checksum BECE0FB994E34EBDF6DB76EC3B566914 22:36:29 <KUDr> dbg: [GRF] NewGRF 42650104 (newtown_415.grf) not found; checksum B185F8AF636620BE01F4020C630E81BC 22:36:29 <KUDr> dbg: [GRF] NewGRF 52455400 (citystationsw.GRF) not found; checksum 57A858EEBA7130340E73BD5DC16EA72C 22:36:29 <KUDr> dbg: [GRF] NewGRF 45520600 (platformsw.GRF) not found; checksum 346457CB4632554B6A175785236883E4 22:36:30 <KUDr> dbg: [GRF] NewGRF 4A5A0401 (jstatsw_195.grf) not found; checksum 54BC35DCCB000AA83ED9A25B8B697B06 22:36:30 <KUDr> dbg: [GRF] NewGRF 45520400 (brickfreightw.GRF) not found; checksum 1D00426064137AA49B6FC4F4BCFF173F 22:36:32 <KUDr> dbg: [GRF] NewGRF 52455200 (ruralw.GRF) not found; checksum C462DE208183FB5DFB5C08A85C02BAAC 22:36:32 <KUDr> dbg: [GRF] NewGRF 45520500 (modernsuburbanw.GRF) not found; checksum 7E30CA79D5A8B3A6CBE873E26096D7D2 22:37:06 <glx> get them on http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 22:38:25 <KUDr> glx: last time i was unable to find most of them, but thanks 22:39:09 <KUDr> Found 0 grfs that match in the database 22:39:19 *** caladan [~caladan@161-be2-18.acn.waw.pl] has joined #openttd 22:39:59 <glx> I found 2 of them 22:40:22 <KUDr> but i will need all of them in order to load the game 22:41:01 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 22:41:51 <glx> many are from http://www.aegir.bur.st/files/ttd/index.php?dir=Newgrfs/Station%20Sets 22:42:50 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:09 *** pecisk [~pecisk@91.123.69.54] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 22:44:05 <Darkvater> KUDr: loading from trunk works 22:44:33 <Darkvater> in RC4 goto afterloadgame in openttd.c and change the result-checks of IsGoodGRFConfigList or something 22:45:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CEE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:46:07 <Darkvater> KUDr: case GCF_NOT_FOUND: << ununcomment 22:46:09 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB63A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:46:11 <Darkvater> and remove 'return false' 22:47:03 <Darkvater> KUDr: in RC4 elrails is disabled and trains work perfectly 22:47:32 <KUDr> hmm 22:47:46 <Darkvater> only patch added is afaik a non-saved patch 22:48:00 <Darkvater> the semaphore/signal year thing 22:49:58 <KUDr> i see it now too, RC4 works fine with it and has elrail disabled 22:54:15 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB63A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:45 <KUDr> hmm, SettingsDisableElrail(_patches.disable_elrails); is now called only for old savegames 22:55:04 <KUDr> somebody changed it from my original solution 22:55:05 <Darkvater> didn't you say everything is saved? 22:55:38 <KUDr> yes, but i said that it will be better to run SettingsDisableElrail(_patches.disable_elrails); always 22:55:53 <KUDr> do you remember it? 22:56:06 <Darkvater> apparently something is not saved 22:56:06 <KUDr> but you are right 22:56:12 <Darkvater> yes, I remember 22:56:17 <KUDr> something is wrong wit the engine data 22:56:37 <KUDr> but why with RC4 it is ok? 22:56:59 <KUDr> it must be related to some changes 22:57:12 <KUDr> so how to recognize if it is related to cpp 22:58:19 <Darkvater> hmm 22:58:36 <Darkvater> you could try the revision *just* before the merge and just after 22:58:52 <Darkvater> if it works after, we'll just have to binary search until the offending rev is found 22:59:05 <Darkvater> it could also be Tron's recent engineinfo change 22:59:24 <Darkvater> KUDr: will you not get offended if I ask this of you? 22:59:32 <Darkvater> I trust you have a faster pc than me 22:59:49 <KUDr> i am trying my best 22:59:56 <KUDr> but i am out of ideas 23:00:11 <KUDr> trying to revert some changes 23:00:17 <KUDr> and going back 23:00:38 <Darkvater> it's probably easier to pinpoint the offending revision 23:01:01 <KUDr> "pinpoint"? 23:01:11 <KUDr> mean interval halving? 23:01:14 <Darkvater> yes 23:01:39 <KUDr> i suspected 8393 but it isnt that 23:03:10 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B28D95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 23:03:19 <KUDr> what rXXXX was the cpp accident? 23:04:35 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@d130021.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:04:35 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@d130021.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:37 <KUDr> aha 8034+ 23:04:38 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 23:04:54 <Darkvater> 8038 23:05:07 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 8038 23:05:20 <KUDr> yes 23:05:24 <KUDr> updating to it 23:05:27 <Darkvater> ook, it doesn't work :s 23:05:30 <Darkvater> the bot 23:05:56 <_42_> Commit by rubidium :: r8038 /trunk/ (190 files in 15 dirs) (2007-01-10 18:56:51 UTC) 23:05:58 <_42_> -Merge: the cpp branch. Effort of KUDr, Celestar, glx, Smoovius, stillunknown and pv2b. 23:06:12 <glx> it's just slow for big big big commits 23:06:28 <KUDr> aha 23:06:36 <KUDr> tcl 23:06:47 <Darkvater> glx: ? it just needs to get the log no? 23:06:55 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C233.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:07:09 <glx> (190 files in 15 dirs) <-- it counts files and dirs 23:07:30 <KUDr> shit 23:07:40 <KUDr> grf harrashment again 23:08:39 <Darkvater> he 23:08:47 *** stillunknown_ [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 23:08:51 <Darkvater> KUDr: :( 23:09:13 <Darkvater> KUDr: just change IsGoodGRFConfigList not to return anything 23:09:19 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:09:30 <KUDr> i am sorry but it really makes me angry if somebody plays with tons of grfs and then provides only savegame 23:09:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CEE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:23 <KUDr> hmm, i commented out: "if (!IsGoodGRFConfigList()) return false;" 23:10:30 <KUDr> but it doesn't work 23:10:31 <Darkvater> no 23:10:34 <Darkvater> don't comment out 23:10:40 <Darkvater> remove the 'return false' part 23:11:07 <KUDr> so remove also the if? 23:11:14 <KUDr> or let there ';'? 23:11:25 <Darkvater> just the function needs to be run 23:11:30 <Darkvater> hopefully 23:11:54 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387D681.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:59 <KUDr> ok, so just call the func... 23:12:17 <KUDr> --------------------------- 23:12:18 <KUDr> Error! 23:12:18 <KUDr> --------------------------- 23:12:18 <KUDr> NewGRF file is missing 'trafficsetw.grf' 23:12:18 <KUDr> --------------------------- 23:12:18 <KUDr> OK 23:12:20 <KUDr> --------------------------- 23:12:34 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:12:38 <KUDr> the same 23:12:44 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:06 <Darkvater> but loading shouldn't fail if afterloadgame doesn't return false 23:14:10 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:23 <Darkvater> ah wait 23:14:26 <Darkvater> just click ok 23:14:32 <Darkvater> repeatedly until they go away 23:14:34 <KUDr> then assert 23:14:40 <Darkvater> ignore 23:14:55 <KUDr> then it ends 23:14:59 <Darkvater> hmm 23:15:08 <Darkvater> then you need the new function :( 23:15:10 <Darkvater> OR 23:15:26 <KUDr> new function? 23:15:35 <Darkvater> change isgoodgrfconfiglist and for all GRF's in there do SETBIT(grf->flags, GCF_DISABLED); 23:15:58 <Darkvater> new functionality 23:16:55 <KUDr> but where? 23:16:59 <KUDr> in for 23:17:02 <KUDr> inside if 23:17:04 <KUDr> or else 23:17:43 <Darkvater> in the if (f == NULL) part 23:18:12 <Darkvater> and uncomment the showinfo; it's just annoying 23:19:28 <KUDr> if f == NULL, then f->flags will fail or not? 23:20:14 <Darkvater> if f==NULL then the GRF was not found 23:20:21 <Darkvater> so we will mark them as disabled 23:20:32 <KUDr> "SETBIT(grf->flags, GCF_DISABLED);" 23:20:35 <Darkvater> yes 23:20:39 <KUDr> i assume grf == f 23:20:58 <KUDr> so grf->flags is C0000005 23:21:06 <Darkvater> SETBIT(c->flags, GCF_DISABLED) 23:21:13 <Darkvater> c, not f, f is NULL :) 23:21:19 <KUDr> aha 23:21:50 <KUDr> wow 23:21:53 <KUDr> works! 23:21:56 <KUDr> many thanks 23:22:03 <Darkvater> :) 23:22:09 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:17 <KUDr> but trains are running 23:22:41 <Darkvater> that's good 23:22:44 <Darkvater> what rev? 23:22:46 <KUDr> yes, all of them 23:23:03 <KUDr> 8038 <- just after the cpp accident 23:23:51 <stillunknown_> cpp accident? 23:23:52 <KUDr> ok, will try to move forward 23:24:20 <KUDr> updating to 8100 23:25:00 <Darkvater> hmm could be Tron_'s doing 23:25:08 <KUDr> stillunknown_: yes, somebody named it so and i like it so much 23:25:40 <KUDr> compiling 8100 23:26:07 <KUDr> running 8100 23:26:25 <KUDr> trains are running 23:27:06 <KUDr> uff, so 8200 23:27:33 <KUDr> grrrrr 23:27:40 <KUDr> conflict in negrf 23:27:49 <Darkvater> you can revert the changes now 23:27:51 <Darkvater> it'll work 23:27:57 <glx> yes 8106 fixed the newgrf loading 23:28:03 <KUDr> ok 23:28:41 <KUDr> rebuilding 23:29:13 <Darkvater> I think 8200 will work as well 23:29:21 <KUDr> running 23:29:28 <Darkvater> told you to use binary search :) 23:30:01 <KUDr> yes, but i am too lazy to calc 23:30:12 <KUDr> trains moving 23:30:21 <KUDr> 8300 23:30:40 <Darkvater> lol 23:30:42 <KUDr> getting 23:31:16 <KUDr> reloading project 23:31:22 <Darkvater> it might be 8314/8385 23:31:25 <KUDr> compiling 23:31:48 <KUDr> running 23:32:06 <KUDr> moving 23:32:22 <KUDr> what rev you recommend 23:32:25 <KUDr> ? 23:32:28 <Darkvater> hmm 23:32:33 <Darkvater> 8314 23:32:36 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:32:38 <Darkvater> no wait 23:32:42 <Darkvater> 8385 23:32:49 <KUDr> ok 23:33:09 <Darkvater> or it could be 8393 23:34:39 <KUDr> rebuilding 8385 23:35:39 <KUDr> not moving 23:35:50 <KUDr> so some rev before? 23:35:59 <Darkvater> 8384 23:36:06 <KUDr> ok 23:36:09 <Darkvater> but 23:36:15 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 8385 23:36:19 <Darkvater> ^ that sucks 23:36:23 <_42_> Commit by tron :: r8385 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 2 dirs) (2007-01-24 07:14:09 UTC) 23:36:25 <_42_> -Fix 23:36:27 <_42_> -Regression (r8314): I only did half the necessary changes to move railtype from Engine to RailVehicleInfo. Now do the rest. 23:36:37 <Brianetta> 99 years and about 7 months 23:36:43 <Brianetta> That's pi gigaseconds 23:36:57 <Brianetta> something to celebrate before you get your telegram from her Majesty 23:37:57 <KUDr> moving 23:37:59 <ThePizzaKing> Brianetta: Interesting, I'll have to remember that 23:38:10 <KUDr> Darkvater: so it looks we have it 23:38:17 <Brianetta> ThePizzaKing: I celebrated my gigasecond this evening 23:38:26 <ThePizzaKing> but by the time I'm that old I'll have lost my memory 23:38:55 <ThePizzaKing> Only 2.14159... gigaseconds to go 23:39:16 <Brianetta> So we can say things like, "The great fire of Newwcastle and Gateshead was three pi over two gigaseconds ago" 23:39:19 <Darkvater> KUDr: yes, but that does not really make me happier :( 23:39:19 <Brianetta> since it was in 1854 23:39:36 <KUDr> Darkvater: me neither 23:40:04 <Darkvater> railtype is now stored in railvehicleinfo and that's not saved with the savegame 23:40:05 <KUDr> so you can return my original code there 23:40:14 <Darkvater> so you have to force it to fix it on load 23:40:14 <KUDr> and it will work fine :) 23:40:52 <KUDr> as you can see, better to do robust code than minimalistic 23:41:09 <Darkvater> yeah; something like if (_patches.disable_elrail) fixup 23:41:58 <Darkvater> KUDr: I see it the other way around. Now we know why it has to be run. In the other case it'll work by 'accident' and something else could break later on and you'd have to look fo rit 23:46:20 <KUDr> yes 23:46:33 <KUDr> we need nes saveload asap 23:46:40 <KUDr> new 23:46:50 <Darkvater> that would not have solved this problem :) 23:47:02 <KUDr> it will 23:47:08 <Darkvater> ? 23:47:10 <KUDr> foor the future 23:47:35 <Darkvater> the information is simply not saved atm, no saveload code can solve that unless it saves it, or runs the fixup code 23:47:53 <KUDr> it will load the old savegames and redistribute values where they should be 23:48:07 <KUDr> but it was saved 23:48:18 <KUDr> now it is not loaded properly i guess 23:48:32 <Darkvater> ah, but you don't need a new saveload for that 23:48:38 <KUDr> or what is the reson? 23:48:47 <KUDr> you need 23:48:57 <KUDr> because then it will not happen again 23:49:05 <Darkvater> Tron simply didn't notice this, or else there would've been version bump and some loop in afterloadgame 23:49:18 <KUDr> values will be distributed where they should be 23:49:26 <KUDr> into new structures 23:49:27 <Darkvater> automatically? 23:49:40 <Darkvater> without additional code telling where they should go? 23:49:45 * Darkvater finds that hard to believe 23:50:01 <KUDr> well, each change of structures will need some change to the disribution of old values 23:50:26 <KUDr> to tell: this value is now stored here 23:50:43 <KUDr> and loading code will do the rest 23:50:51 <Darkvater> hmm, like that eh 23:51:12 <KUDr> yes, the same as new saveload will work 23:51:20 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498FB7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:51:48 <glx> anyway changes in saved structs should have a savegame bump 23:52:06 <KUDr> bump? 23:52:28 <glx> increase savegame version 23:52:32 <Darkvater> see r8384 engine.cpp it is now SLE_CONDNULL(1, 0, 44) 23:52:44 <KUDr> probably not, there will be tag followed by values 23:52:56 <Darkvater> code to redistribute/update railtype was simply forgotten 23:53:02 <KUDr> SLE_CONDNULL(1, 0, 44) << means ignore? 23:53:06 <Darkvater> yes 23:53:09 <KUDr> aha 23:53:15 <KUDr> then it is clear 23:54:05 <KUDr> so we load the value, but we don't store it to the new target 23:54:09 <Darkvater> although I agree with the current code it would've been hard to load and redisribute it 23:54:19 <KUDr> it can corrupt more things or not? 23:54:37 <Darkvater> but then it would simply have been: checksavegemversion() {fixup-mising-railtype for all running vehicles} 23:54:38 <KUDr> related to loaded grfs etc 23:54:59 <Darkvater> it isn't even loaded actually 23:55:07 <Darkvater> you just skip the file-pointer over it 23:55:17 <KUDr> hmm 23:56:10 <Darkvater> loaded grfs are loaded, we just tell openttd to ignore some 23:58:35 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd