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00:00:02 <caladan> Eddi|zuHause: it's like basic, then to be specialist and then some practice... 00:00:38 <Bjarni> basically you need to know them when you need it, not to look them up when you see them, because then you are out of time 00:00:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the specialisation is included there, and "practice" has been abolished, i think 00:00:56 <caladan> not in poland... 00:01:23 <Bjarni> <@meiso> ftp: 80921107 bytes received in 87.26Seconds 927.40Kbytes/sec. 00:01:24 <Bjarni> <@meiso> man this modem turbo booster really helps 00:01:28 <caladan> there's time when you neet to work at hospital when you still learn, thou you can do injections and all that easy stuff 00:01:31 <Bjarni> now that's a nice booster :D 00:01:35 <Bjarni> give me that one 00:01:40 <Eddi|zuHause> well, they probably do the same job in the first few years as before, but they get payed more 00:01:59 <caladan> i wouldn't like to be a doctor :D 00:02:06 <caladan> engineer is right for me :D 00:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause> but you have to serve as a medical practicioner for some time before you are allowed to do things on your own 00:03:45 <Bjarni> <caladan> engineer is right for me :D <-- so when you make a huge mistake, you will not kill one person 00:03:58 <Bjarni> you will kill everybody in the aircraft instead 00:04:06 <Bjarni> nice plan 00:04:12 <caladan> :P 00:04:23 <Eddi|zuHause> not to mention the people on the ground that the aircraft crashes on 00:04:38 <caladan> im not going to design any kind of vehicle :P 00:04:45 <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me of that episode of 'Ghost Whisperer' 00:05:04 <Bjarni> a guy got killed a few months ago because an engineer screwed up when calculating how to support a bridge while it was under repair 00:05:35 <Bjarni> caladan: then what are you going to do? 00:05:52 <caladan> electroacoustics :D 00:05:56 <Eddi|zuHause> are there records of "most people killed from a calculation error"? 00:06:00 <caladan> DSP 00:06:07 <caladan> audio 00:06:54 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> are there records of "most people killed from a calculation error"? <-- I don't know, but I do know of the car ferry, that was 5 cm too narrow in the ends to take on cars 00:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 00:07:12 <Bjarni> that ended up being some really expensive 5 cm 00:10:06 <Bjarni> ohh, here is another good one. An engineer designed an electric circuit and figured that he needed a capacitor. After searching for a while, he found one that was big enough for the task and ordered it (for a fortune). When it showed up, it was so big that the freight guys moved the package on some wheels and it was too heavy to lift and there was no way that he could make it fit in his allowed space for the circuit 00:10:13 <Bjarni> or the sockets on his print 00:11:16 <Bjarni> this resulted in a complete redesign of the entire circuit to avoid using such a big capacitor and then it came on display for "telling people to think twice before ordering something really expensive" 00:11:26 <Bjarni> nobody ever figured out anything it could be used for 00:11:37 <caladan> that capacitor? 00:11:41 <Bjarni> yeah 00:11:52 <Bjarni> it was like 50 cm in each direction 00:12:02 <Bjarni> some power grid capacitor or something 00:12:04 <caladan> that's normal size for industrial ones 00:12:19 <caladan> you know complex numbers? 00:12:21 <Bjarni> but the print should be no more than 20x30 cm or something 00:12:44 <Bjarni> <caladan> you know complex numbers? <-- I'm an engineer... what do you think :P 00:12:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hypercomplex numbers are funny ;) 00:13:13 <Eddi|zuHause> (but i have yet to see an actual usage of those) 00:13:14 <caladan> Bjarni: so you problably know about passive and active power 00:13:55 <Bjarni> you mean the power factor thing? 00:14:00 <caladan> hmmmm, could be 00:14:13 <caladan> if you got current and voltage that are complex 00:14:25 <caladan> then it can be, that power is complex too 00:14:26 <Bjarni> when current and voltage goes out of phase 00:14:27 <caladan> P=U*I 00:14:45 <caladan> and power erally used is that real part of power 00:14:48 <caladan> Re(P) 00:14:56 <Bjarni> yeah, that's power factor 00:15:15 <caladan> so if you have somewhere many inductors, like engines and so on 00:15:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and what's your point? 00:15:30 <Bjarni> the power factor is the amount of watts you need to produce to use one, so having a power factor of 1 is ideal. 1,5 is bad 00:15:35 <caladan> then you do a series capacitor to make imaginary part of power be equal zero 00:15:56 <Bjarni> I know you can use coils and capacitors to decrease the power factor 00:16:10 <Bjarni> forcing the current to go back into phase with the voltage 00:16:13 <caladan> so that's why some really big capacitors are really needed 00:16:19 <caladan> yep, that's right 00:16:42 <Brianetta> Revision 25 of autopilot committed. 00:16:42 <Eddi|zuHause> <caladan> then you do a series capacitor to make imaginary part of power be equal zero <- they use entire power stations for balancing the phase 00:16:49 <Brianetta> I now have a prototype GUI. 00:17:06 <Bjarni> I know that, but for a company that's not working with anything for the power grid, a capacitor of that size is damn big 00:17:28 <caladan> Eddi|zuHause: how is this possible? all powerstations work with the same phase 00:17:39 <caladan> all in whole europe 00:17:48 <Bjarni> not true 00:17:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean the phase difference 00:18:07 <Bjarni> Eastern and Western Denmark use different phases 00:18:09 <Eddi|zuHause> what you discribe with the imaginary component here 00:18:19 <Eddi|zuHause> can be described as a phase offset 00:18:27 <caladan> yep 00:18:31 <Eddi|zuHause> a+bi = r*e(i phi) 00:18:41 <Bjarni> Eastern Denmark use the same phase as the hydro plants in Norway and Sweden while Western Denmark use the same phase as Germany 00:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you want to get phi=0 00:19:22 <Eddi|zuHause> which means i was talking about the same thing as you, just using another representation 00:20:00 <caladan> yeah, i know, but i cant imagine how is it posible that one powerstation has shifted phase 00:20:08 <Bjarni> it can be said much simpler. Whenever you use something that will make the current go ahead of behind the voltage, then you want to add a device to pull it the same degree in the other direction to even it out 00:20:13 <Eddi|zuHause> no... 00:20:36 <caladan> so that balancing should be done where it is caused, in industries 00:20:42 <Eddi|zuHause> every resistor has phi=0, every inductor has phi=90° and every capacitor has phi=-90° 00:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so if you have more inductors than capacitors on the network 00:21:03 <caladan> every *ideal* element 00:21:09 <caladan> i know, really :P 00:21:16 <Eddi|zuHause> you get a phase offset != 0 00:21:33 <caladan> not true, it depends on omega and values of C and L 00:21:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and you have to use additional inductors/capacitors in the powerstation to balance these out 00:22:08 <Bjarni> those "light poles" are really nasty when it comes to power factor since they got a 80-90° (or was it negative) shift. By law, you have to compensate for this if you got several at the same location 00:22:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i am of course talking about their capacity/inductivity, not about their number 00:22:15 <caladan> in poland those balancing capacitors and inductors are in industries 00:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause> and i am talking abstract 00:22:44 <Bjarni> you can make balancing capacitors/coils of all sizes 00:22:52 <Eddi|zuHause> well, big industries tend to have their own isolated power network 00:23:04 <Bjarni> have you ever seen a PSU for a computer with power factor 1? 00:23:27 <caladan> Power Supply Unit? 00:23:32 <Bjarni> yes 00:23:37 <Bjarni> the transformer in a computer 00:23:46 <Bjarni> it shifts the phase somewhat 00:23:50 <caladan> There are not many transformers nowadays 00:23:58 <caladan> it's matter of something else 00:24:18 <caladan> now it's all switching step-down 00:25:02 <Bjarni> the PSU in all computers are made out of coils and capacitors. Unless you think about balancing them, they can end up being somewhat power hungry due to the power factor 00:25:23 <Bjarni> so some people decided to produce balanced PSUs 00:25:43 <Eddi|zuHause> computers rarely have inductive elements 00:26:02 <caladan> that's not that easy 00:26:03 <Eddi|zuHause> while every parallel signals form capacitive elements 00:26:09 <Bjarni> I would get one if I really depended on a computer to run on either a generator or UPS 00:26:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so you have a pretty large offset into the capacitive phase 00:26:45 <caladan> now as it is all switching power supply, you got a lot of hi freq noise and then you need coil in there... 00:26:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to balance this out with inductors in the PSU 00:26:53 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> computers rarely have inductive elements <-- not the computer itself, it's the transformer. The 240V AC -> 3,3/5/12 V DC converter 00:27:14 <caladan> transformers are now not used 00:27:17 <caladan> *really* 00:27:18 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> every PSU i have seen from the inside had transformers 00:27:52 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-174-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:27:55 <caladan> but it isnt main transformer 00:29:11 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-41-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:29:13 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-41-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Server closed connection] 00:29:41 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-41-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know much more about electronics than to identify how a transformer looks like 00:30:12 <Bjarni> generally switch mode transformers are used. This is actually a bad thing because the power grid prefers to get even load on the whole cycle, not just a bit on the raising flank 00:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (i mean practical electronics) 00:31:24 <caladan> true 00:31:38 <caladan> in domitories of my facultry voltage isnt even sine wave :D 00:32:00 <caladan> it's more like square as all PCs tend to get current when voltage reaches top :D 00:32:08 <caladan> so that sine is really deformed :D 00:32:29 <Bjarni> I never put a scope to the power outlet 00:32:38 <Bjarni> I put one on my broken PSU though 00:33:13 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-113.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:14 <Bjarni> the DC output was a triangle signal with a peak of half the voltage the DC should provide 00:33:22 <Bjarni> so yes, it was broken 00:33:23 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-159-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:24 *** Digitalfox_ is now known as Digitalfox 00:33:32 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 00:34:02 <Bjarni> it has a broken capacity somewhere around the purple wire... the question is which one 00:34:25 <Eddi|zuHause> just rip them all out :p 00:34:31 <Bjarni> too expensive 00:34:37 <caladan> why not to measure em? 00:35:01 <Bjarni> I plan to do that some day 00:35:06 <caladan> :D 00:35:17 <caladan> ok time to go to sleep :D 00:35:25 <Bjarni> but I will need to take them out to do that as several of them are connected to the same wires 00:35:26 <Brianetta> glx: Check out the latest ap commit. It's very basic atm; let me know if it works for you. 00:35:29 <caladan> nice time chating with you, but it's damn late 00:35:41 <caladan> gn 00:35:44 <glx> Brianetta: what should I see if it works ? 00:35:52 <Bjarni> so when I measure capacity, which one gives me the capacity and which one is short circuited 00:35:59 <Brianetta> Yeah. You'll need a new key in your config 00:36:15 <Brianetta> use_gui = [yes|no|on|off|1|0] 00:36:23 <Bjarni> actually since at least one of them is short circuited, I can't detect any capacity right now 00:36:39 <Brianetta> It might break without that. 00:36:49 <Brianetta> I don't do very good handling of missing values in the config 00:37:05 <Bjarni> so it could be a question of removing one, testing it and then test if the rest will increase in capacity 00:37:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't imagine measuring a capacitor while it is not isolated from the rest of the system 00:39:01 <Bjarni> yeah, that's the problem 00:39:11 <Bjarni> and since there are so many of them... 00:39:51 <Bjarni> but the "treasure hunt" is to find the broken one 00:40:12 <Bjarni> I know where the wire goes into the print, but I can't see all the wires in the print 00:40:36 <Bjarni> making it near impossible to estimate which capacitor that's connected to what 00:40:42 <glx> Brianetta: it broke my openttd.cfg when exiting 00:40:47 <Bjarni> making it kind of a guessing game 00:41:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but if one of the capacitors is short-cuted, you might get more results by measuring resistance 00:41:23 <Brianetta> broke it? 00:41:33 <Brianetta> what did? 00:41:45 <glx> not fully write it 00:41:50 <Brianetta> It doesn't writeit 00:41:57 <Brianetta> It only ever reads it 00:42:24 <Brianetta> Did OpenTTD exit OK? 00:42:51 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> but if one of the capacitors is short-cuted, you might get more results by measuring resistance <-- that's also an option I will consider 00:42:53 <glx> seems so 00:43:15 <Bjarni> the problem is that all the options I have here all takes time and... well, I only got 24 hours a day 00:43:21 <Bjarni> and I need to sleep and code as well 00:43:29 <Bjarni> not to mention do serious work 00:43:35 <Brianetta> The only way I can imagine autopilot causing config file corruptionis if it exited, taking OpenTTD with it, while OpenTTD was writing to the file 00:43:51 <Bjarni> the sleeping part sounds nice right now 00:43:52 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:44:09 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Server closed connection] 00:44:10 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44:28 <glx> Brianetta: you forgot to svn add a file :) 00:44:36 <Brianetta> which file? 00:44:39 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-41-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:44:40 *** Digitalfox_ is now known as Digitalfox 00:44:41 <glx> F:\openttd>tclsh autopilot.tcl 00:44:41 <glx> couldn't read file "autopilot-gui.tcl": no such file or directory 00:44:50 <Brianetta> sure? 00:44:53 <Brianetta> it's in 26 00:45:08 <glx> I was using 25 :) 00:45:28 <Brianetta> ah 00:45:48 <Brianetta> Yeah, you won't get myuch of a GUI without that file 00:46:01 <glx> gui started 00:46:38 <Brianetta> The company list should populate 00:46:45 <Brianetta> but only as often as recount_frequency 00:46:54 <Brianetta> or if you click the recount button 00:47:10 <Brianetta> and the colours are taken *directly* from the game 00:47:33 <Brianetta> You can chat, see the company colours, and quit the server 00:47:38 <Brianetta> and, er, that's it, for now 00:47:44 <Brianetta> It's a proof of concept 00:48:14 <glx> works 00:48:33 <glx> I tried mysql module today 00:48:41 <Brianetta> Any joy? 00:48:48 <Brianetta> I know it's a badly documented pig 00:49:03 <glx> needed to install mysqltcl but it works 00:49:25 <Brianetta> Two servers other than those I administerare using that 00:49:33 <glx> it doesn't log too much things 00:49:37 <Brianetta> It just logs chat 00:49:49 <Brianetta> but the "settings" table is deliberately open-ended 00:50:02 <Brianetta> and if you have extra ideas, feel free to send me a patch file 00:50:51 <glx> hmm the only "chat" it logged was join, left, save, and shutdown 00:51:02 <Brianetta> ah 00:51:06 <Brianetta> you had irc turned off 00:51:09 <Brianetta> and there was a bug 00:51:15 <glx> exact no irc 00:51:24 <Brianetta> I spotted it when no chat appeared in the GUI 00:51:32 <Brianetta> It worked fine with IRC enabled 00:51:48 <Brianetta> Anyway, your MySQL should log all chat now, with 26 00:57:29 <glx> yes it's ok now 00:58:04 <glx> what will be the use of 'user' table ? 00:59:06 <Brianetta> It's to eventually provide user logins 00:59:14 <Brianetta> so players auth through IRC or witha web site 00:59:20 <Brianetta> and can then joina company 00:59:34 <Brianetta> The design is messy (literally) 00:59:40 <Brianetta> Pencil scribbles everywhere 00:59:44 <Brianetta> and no code yet 01:09:28 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc104.host4.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 01:12:11 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.107.120] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 01:12:52 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc104.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 01:15:05 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp31-12.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00:50 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:06:28 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 02:06:59 <peter1138> Rubidium? 02:17:59 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 02:31:21 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75B4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:45 <lolman> Ello :) 02:32:12 <glx> hey you're not dead :) 02:32:27 <lolman> Nope, been far too busy 02:34:40 <lolman> Bored, and busy at the same tim 02:34:41 <lolman> e 02:37:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:41:38 *** voodoo070 [~voodoo@c529c249d.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 02:41:57 <Sacro> :o OH NOES 02:42:15 <lolman> :D 02:42:19 <Sacro> your on late 02:42:26 <lolman> Yeah 02:42:29 <lolman> Can't sleep 02:42:36 <Sacro> ahh 02:42:50 <lolman> I changed distro lol 02:43:08 <lolman> But you won't like which one I changed to 02:43:42 <Sacro> oh daer... 02:43:47 <lolman> daer? :P 02:43:50 <Sacro> which one? 02:43:52 <Sacro> its 2:34 02:43:53 <lolman> OpenSUSE 02:43:54 <Sacro> err... 02:43:55 <Sacro> 2:43 02:44:05 <Sacro> yeah, im not a SuSe fan 02:44:56 <lolman> I like it lol 02:45:04 <Sacro> each to their own 02:45:09 <Sacro> im still running Arch, XP and Vista 02:45:21 <lolman> My dad's buying me Vista :P 02:45:25 <Sacro> heh 02:45:29 <Sacro> i got it for free! 02:45:34 <lolman> So am I, really :P 02:45:35 <Sacro> you dont want vista yet anyway 02:45:43 <glx> Sacro: msdnaa ? 02:46:06 <Sacro> glx: yup 02:46:21 <glx> my brother will get it for free too 02:46:30 <Sacro> quite possibly 02:47:04 <glx> he just need to retrieve his login and pasword :) 02:47:15 <Sacro> ahhh 02:48:01 <lolman> I just need to wait for my dad to move some money around ;-) 02:48:04 <Sacro> heh... 02:48:07 <Sacro> i need to move some money 02:48:15 <Sacro> dunno what to get though 02:48:17 <lolman> I need to get some :P 02:48:23 <Sacro> got new pc, got g25, got rFactor 02:48:38 <lolman> First 2 things, YAY :P 02:48:56 <Sacro> hehe 02:49:03 <Sacro> well i have LFS cracked 02:49:07 <Sacro> but not up to U 02:49:09 * lolman slaps Sacro 02:49:14 <Sacro> heh 02:49:19 <Sacro> you should speak to Bjarni 02:49:23 <lolman> You're 2 patches behind ;-) 02:49:28 <Sacro> i got him to translate the crack instructions :D 02:49:53 <glx> and it wasn't his native language :) 02:49:56 <lolman> It's at V now :P 02:50:11 <Sacro> yeah i know 02:50:13 <Sacro> i have it 02:50:18 <Sacro> just not a full copy 02:50:23 <lolman> Oh and the master server moved IPs too :P 02:50:48 <Sacro> lol 02:51:23 <Sacro> "Ok, if you REALLY want the crack, go to http://www.LFSForum.net , its the most active and best LFS forum and they'll give you the crack" 02:51:52 <lolman> Idiots :P 02:52:08 <lolman> I'm a personal friend of one of the moderators ;-) 02:52:17 <Sacro> oooh found a V crack 02:52:21 * Sacro sniggers 02:52:23 <Sacro> that sounds dirty 02:52:24 * lolman slaps 02:52:43 <lolman> So does sniggering at a patch V crack 02:53:05 <Sacro> hehe 02:53:10 <Sacro> hmm, 3am, i should go to bed 02:53:18 <lolman> Yes you should 02:54:40 * Sacro unzips LFS_S2_ALPHA-U 02:55:24 * lolman sniggers at his legal copy of S2 Aplha V 02:55:26 <lolman> Alpha* 02:55:42 * lolman also sniggers at the £12 in his LFS account ready for S3 02:56:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r8526 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: add stubs for unsupported newgrf station properties 02:57:02 <Sacro> late ngiht commit there 03:00:38 <peter1138> looks pretty 03:00:51 <peter1138> LFS that is 03:01:04 <peter1138> i was wondering why you'd need to crack Linux From Scratch, though... 03:01:17 <Sacro> there we go... got V working 03:01:25 <Sacro> peter1138: Linux froms Scratch is ace 03:01:36 <peter1138> Required computer specifications: 03:01:36 <peter1138> 1 GHz CPU, 128 MB memory, 3D graphics card 03:01:37 <peter1138> hmm 03:01:41 <Sacro> ? 03:01:58 <lolman> Live For Speed min specs 03:02:00 <peter1138> doesn't need windows, apparently 03:02:19 <lolman> Well it can run (rather badly) in WINE 03:02:39 <Sacro> night all 03:02:45 <lolman> Night Sacro 03:05:51 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:06:41 <peter1138> bleh 03:06:49 <peter1138> so really i need a new pc, with windows... 03:11:17 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-46-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 03:27:04 <peter1138> hmm 03:27:15 <peter1138> st->train_tile isn't necessarily MP_STATION :/ 03:27:28 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-144-131-69-85.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:54:53 *** dp [~dp@p54B2F810.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:01:53 *** dp_ [~dp@p54B2DE90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:20:17 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:15:07 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-144-131-69-85.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 05:48:38 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-20.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 05:56:28 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-20.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:14:23 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DB38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:30:37 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F7D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:37:50 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489FEEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:38:23 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:43:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8527 /trunk/src/lang/ (18 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 06:43:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-02-02 07:41:47 06:43:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 6 fixed, 363 changed by fukumori (369) 06:43:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 6 fixed by groupsky (6) 06:43:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 6 fixed by arnaullv (6) 06:43:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 54 fixed, 3 changed by tperic (57) 06:43:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 6 fixed by Hadez (6) 07:14:18 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14:44 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:16:13 <peter1138> yay, fixed :D 07:24:15 *** silent [~pwr@86.121.146.46] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 07:25:24 <Smoovious> what'd'ja fix? 07:25:30 <peter1138> i didn't 07:25:38 <peter1138> i meant slovenian, heh 07:25:43 <Tron> partially 07:25:45 <Smoovious> ok... that makes perfect sense. :P 07:25:48 <Tron> the case reappeared 07:26:10 <Tron> but the only string.3sk is gone 07:26:18 <peter1138> o_O 07:29:12 <Tron> also the unnecessary cases in czech are still there 07:34:43 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has joined #openttd 07:40:01 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 07:44:33 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DB38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:46:05 *** Arie^ [asdfsadf@arie.adsl.utwente.nl] has left #openttd [] 07:48:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r8528 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp station_map.cpp station_map.h water_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Rename IsBuoy_() to IsBuoy() now that the naming conflict no longer exists. 08:00:15 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:07:23 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:07:49 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:10:36 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DF9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:10:41 <ln-> how to split (s-1)/(s^2+4s+13) into partial fractions? 08:13:08 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:13:51 <blathijs> ln-: s/(s^2+4s+13) - 1/(s^2+4s+13) is obvious, but that's probably not what you meant :-) 08:14:47 <blathijs> ln-: but the bottom part isn't factorizable I think, so you I thnk you'll end up in the complex plane 08:14:53 <blathijs> but, I'm off. Good luck! 08:15:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8529 /branches/masterserver_updater/src/shared/mysql.cpp: [MSU] -Fix: removed a field from the database, but not from the query. 08:17:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8530 /branches/masterserver_updater/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: make use of the new functions of packet. 08:23:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8531 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: 08:23:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 08:23:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Remove unnecessary pointer mumbo-jumbo from FindRoadStopSpot() 08:31:48 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:44:38 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-60-227-105-136.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:45:52 *** TinoM| is now known as TinoM 08:48:06 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB659A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:53:07 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host203-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:53:11 <Wolf01> morning 08:54:40 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6398.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:35 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:59:08 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB659A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:01:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: if you want to stay in the real numbers, you will have to live with the quadratic term 09:01:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> (so that would be the partial fraction of itself) 09:04:33 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:05:04 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:06:08 <ln-> it may also be that partial fractions are not required in this case. the goal is to calculate the inverse laplace transform of that function. 09:07:08 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:09 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:17:31 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-1174.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 09:18:03 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:44 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:22:22 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 09:23:18 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:24:21 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:26:26 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc104.host4.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:32 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip80.cab57.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 09:29:29 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 09:29:31 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:30:33 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:32:48 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:22 *** bonghitbob [hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org] has joined #openttd 09:39:09 *** bonghitbob [hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:39:16 *** Tron_ [PDuypzhA@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 10:06:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81DAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8054F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:08:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:29:46 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 10:42:33 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-8a6370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:46:37 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 10:57:53 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 11:10:05 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-60-227-105-136.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 11:24:10 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-20.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:29:00 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has joined #openttd 11:40:53 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:56 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 11:52:43 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FB74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:18 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 12:04:35 <Darkvater> top 12:04:36 <Darkvater> s 12:04:36 <Darkvater> 1 12:04:39 <Darkvater> ek 12:05:28 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:06:11 <Sacro> ? 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slow planes travel at low altitude and fast planes at high altitude? 15:37:02 <Brianetta> Woo 15:37:17 <Brianetta> Now my autopilot GUI only scrolls its main log window down if it's already at the bottom 15:37:47 <Wolf01> good :D 15:37:51 <setrodox> a gui for autopilot? :o 15:39:01 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 15:49:02 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 16:09:04 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 16:12:18 <Brianetta> Yes 16:12:21 <Brianetta> a gui 16:12:27 <Brianetta> as in a pointy-clicky-colourful thing 16:12:39 <Brianetta> Needless to say, it's not for screen users 16:12:55 <Brianetta> but for those who run their dedicated servers on machines with a desktop 16:13:19 <Brianetta> It's also highly unfinised 16:15:58 <voodoo070> lol 16:16:04 <voodoo070> sounds pretty useless to me ? :P 16:16:19 <voodoo070> tho it might get less experienced ppl to run it 16:16:34 <voodoo070> dunno if thats good 16:19:24 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 16:20:02 <Brianetta> Useless? 16:20:12 <Brianetta> It'll allow complete administration of the server once it's done 16:20:34 <Brianetta> Or, setting up of a server in a screen session, and then killing the GUI 16:20:43 <Brianetta> The GUI is killable 16:21:22 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has left #openttd [] 16:23:43 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 16:26:34 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 16:26:38 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:27:43 <Tefad> is it just a general UI problem or is the cumulative button clicking a little touchy? 16:27:53 <Tefad> eg year setting 16:28:12 <Tefad> i click once and it thinks i'm holding it down 16:40:13 <Brianetta> Girl 16:40:17 <Brianetta> Bom bom bom bom 16:40:21 <Brianetta> You'll be a woman soon 16:41:45 <caladan> :> 16:42:01 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 16:51:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r8536 /trunk/src/ (roadveh_cmd.cpp station.cpp station.h): -Fix (FS#577): Road Vehicles now can obtain a slot even if the station is very spread out 16:51:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:59:03 <Wolf01|AFK> bbl 16:59:11 *** Wolf01|AFK [~Wolf01@host203-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 16:59:46 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 17:06:25 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:14:09 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 17:20:21 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 17:23:38 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:11 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-213-249-184-132.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:26:15 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-213-249-184-132.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:32:06 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:32:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:32:09 *** bjarni_ [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:32:21 *** bjarni__ [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:32:26 *** bjarni__ [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 17:32:26 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 17:32:27 *** bjarni_ [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:32 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:32:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:32:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host203-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:32:49 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 17:32:49 <Bjarni> !logs 17:33:03 <Wolf01> evening 17:33:13 <Bjarni> this is a classic example of how an IRC client can fuck up 17:34:42 <blathijs> Bjarni: Sure it isn't a user problem? :-p 17:41:13 <Brianetta> <Sacro> turned out i had my helmet in a bush 17:41:24 <Brianetta> Bjarni: Sacro said that's be funnier if you were around 17:41:29 <Brianetta> Don't know why 17:41:40 <Bjarni> hmm 17:42:09 <Bjarni> <Brianetta> Don't know why <-- we can say that about every single sentence from Sacro, so there is nothing new 17:42:27 <Sacro> :o 17:42:29 <Brianetta> His helmet was in a bush, though 17:42:40 <Brianetta> That's where he ended up after a little event 17:42:43 <Bjarni> I'm not surprised 17:42:47 <Bjarni> it's Sacro 17:42:53 <Sacro> indeed it is 17:42:58 * Brianetta prods the silly Sacro 17:43:04 <Sacro> Brianetta: owei 17:43:23 <Brianetta> Next time you break your bike, don't ride it home 17:43:25 <Bjarni> Sacro: so what mentally unstable girl did you fuck this time? 17:43:46 <Sacro> Bjarni: i didnt... i had a slight... off road excursion 17:44:05 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176116070.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:44:18 <Brianetta> and then he picked himself up, limped to his broken bike, and rode it home with dodgy steering and a knackered engine 17:44:32 <Brianetta> half an hour later he was on IRC 17:44:36 <Sacro> the engine is fine now 17:44:38 * Brianetta shakes his head 17:44:42 <Brianetta> You're bananas 17:44:46 <Sacro> i think it was just a tad upset at being upside down 17:44:57 <Bjarni> his engine controller isn't ok though 17:46:09 <Bjarni> Sacro: how did this happen? Were you stoned or high? 17:46:15 <Bjarni> or just your usual self? 17:46:32 <Bjarni> not that anybody can tell the difference 17:46:49 <Brianetta> and people said I was unsympathetic earlier 17:46:52 <Bjarni> hey btw, this happened in Hull, right? 17:46:56 <Sacro> Bjarni: neither... i was just on my way home 17:47:10 <Sacro> Bjarni: no, i was outside city limits 17:47:52 <Bjarni> Sacro: I got a tip for you: when you are outside Hull, don't act like you are in Hull. It's not considered sane to do that anywhere else 17:48:40 <peter1138> i have a tip for bjarni 17:48:59 <Bjarni> also when you are outside Hull, the chance of finding horny Hull girls in the bushes aren't that great 17:49:19 <Bjarni> peter1138: point well taken 17:49:38 <Bjarni> but I'm trying to speak Hullish to make Sacro understand me 17:49:45 <Bjarni> so I can't use proper English 17:49:52 <peter1138> actually, you're sounding like a cock 17:49:58 <Bjarni> even better 17:50:03 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 17:50:37 <Bjarni> he managed to get himself onto IRC. He is not deadly injured 17:56:38 *** Tron_ [PDuypzhA@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:56:48 <Bjarni> Sacro: are you still alive? 17:57:02 *** ceji [~ceji@158-52.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 18:02:18 *** silent [~pwr@86.121.234.244] has joined #openttd 18:02:51 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B296C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:04:00 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-190-7.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 18:11:21 <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah, playing san andreas 18:12:35 <Bjarni> see 18:12:40 <Bjarni> I didn't kill him :) 18:14:41 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:25:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FB74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:06 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip80.cab57.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:03 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-100-40.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:48:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8537 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files): 18:48:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-02-02 19:45:42 18:48:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 33 changed by fukumori (33) 18:48:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 2 fixed by MiR (2) 18:48:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: esperanto - 6 fixed, 1 changed by LaPingvino (7) 18:48:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 4 changed by sidew (4) 18:49:38 <Tron> MiHaMiX? 18:50:53 <MiHaMiX> Tron: yes, I've read your comments, and will made the errors fixed 18:51:13 <MiHaMiX> Tron: but i'm not a translator, i'm just coordinate them 18:51:26 <Tron> i just wanted to see any reaction 18:52:41 <MiHaMiX> Tron: ok, sorry, I was way too busy to react upon anything 18:52:44 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.85] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:50 <MiHaMiX> Tron: just arrived home, etc.. 18:54:31 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498E126.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:55 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.85] has joined #openttd 18:55:21 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498E126.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:51 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-190-7.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 19:01:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:33 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0FB1F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8538 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: 19:07:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 19:07:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: GetRoadStopByTile() cannot return NULL. Remove therefore unnecessary check 19:09:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8539 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: 19:09:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 19:09:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: static 19:32:36 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 19:32:46 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0FA6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:33 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B296C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 19:53:00 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:54:07 <peter1138> pom te pom 19:54:16 <peter1138> just whacked an athlon xp 2000+ in 19:54:24 <peter1138> seems to be running at 1250 MHz 19:54:40 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:54:47 <peter1138> 800->1250 o_O 19:55:18 <peter1138> hmm, it is 12.5 multiplier, so that's right 19:55:31 <peter1138> unclocking, woo 19:55:35 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 19:55:42 <peter1138> if i save the bios settings it won't boot :/ 19:58:46 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@213-35-169-13-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 19:58:50 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 19:59:45 <acerbus> hi 19:59:50 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:33 *** scia_ is now known as scia 20:00:46 <acerbus> could anyone say how am I supposed to install the nightlies? 20:00:53 *** ceji [~ceji@158-52.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:18 <Born_Acorn> Sergej_Strikes again 20:01:48 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-46-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:50 <caladan> acerbus: download, unpack, ./configure, make, copy data 20:02:54 <scia> russians never stop... 20:02:57 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E981.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:58 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0FA6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:20 <acerbus> oh, ok 20:03:59 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 20:04:26 <acerbus> umm, what does this ./configure mean? 20:04:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> ./configure and make only apply if you compile from the source 20:05:09 <acerbus> oh, ok 20:05:53 <acerbus> do I just copy the data from the build into an empty folder, or am I supposed to copy it over something? 20:06:18 <acerbus> cos I tried all sorts of ways, and I get some missing files errors for some reason 20:06:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> you need to copy the original game files into the data directory 20:06:31 <caladan> and did you get files from original TTD? 20:06:34 <acerbus> oh, ok 20:07:57 <acerbus> uhh, I copied the files that were missing, but the error still appears 20:08:37 <caladan> can you paste it here? 20:08:55 <acerbus> k 20:09:11 <acerbus> your sample.cat is missing or corrupted 20:09:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is also a file from the original game 20:09:39 <caladan> check if you got that file in your dir 20:09:48 <acerbus> nsignal.grf, 2ccmap.grf, airports.grf, and all sorts 20:09:59 <acerbus> but they are all in my data folder 20:10:00 <caladan> these are new files 20:10:10 <caladan> you need files from original TTD game 20:10:24 <acerbus> I tried that already, but it didn't work either 20:10:37 <caladan> then you probably made something wrong... 20:10:54 <acerbus> I actually didn't have this problem until somthing like r8200 or something 20:11:05 <Digitalfox> My problem with Sergej is that his work doesn't have quality and is based in a work not finished ( the brach 32bpp ).. So he should wait for 32bpp to be merged.. This is just my opinion :) 20:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> acerbus: do you have a working installation of 0.4.8 or 0.5.0-RC4? 20:11:36 <acerbus> yes, I tried with both 0.4.8 and 0.5.0 RC4 20:11:49 <caladan> and do these work? 20:11:57 <acerbus> yes 20:12:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> then just copy all files from the nightly into there 20:12:09 <glx> acerbus: win9X/ME ? 20:12:15 <acerbus> i did that, still gives me the same error 20:12:18 <acerbus> xp 20:12:37 <acerbus> it also tells me that I have an invalid version of language packs 20:13:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> check if the files from the archive are actually copied to the right dir 20:14:14 *** ceji [~ceji@14.105.3.213.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 20:14:15 <acerbus> well, they seem to 20:15:31 <acerbus> maybe there's something wrong with my system 20:16:45 <KeeperOfTheSoul> are you compiling with Visual Studio? 20:17:25 <acerbus> nope, I just download the builds off the nightlies page 20:17:41 <KeeperOfTheSoul> oh right, nm then, i know nothing 20:18:09 <acerbus> hmm, r7726 seems to work perfectly, though 20:18:54 <KeeperOfTheSoul> how does the nightlies work? are they automated or does someone have to compile them? 20:19:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> acerbus: can you exactly isolate when it does not work anymore? 20:19:26 <acerbus> i'll try 20:21:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8540 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix[YAPF]: Assert when buoy is placed on NE or NW map edge (Dan) 20:23:51 <acerbus> well, r8122 is still working, but r8148 and the newer ones aren't 20:26:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8541 /branches/newhouses/ (144 files in 14 dirs): [NewHouses] -Sync with trunk r8359:8540. 20:27:31 <KeeperOfTheSoul> couldn't be any thing to do with a language file failing to compile? 20:28:02 <glx> KeeperOfTheSoul: no, if the language is not compiled it's just not included 20:29:19 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18025.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:31:38 <KeeperOfTheSoul> i thought that would be the case, is that the same for visual studio, or do you have to remove them from the project? 20:34:26 <Rubidium> acerbus: have you tried to remove the lang directory and replace it with the data from a recent nightly? 20:35:45 <acerbus> i'll try 20:36:18 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18025.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:18 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 20:38:38 <acerbus> well, using the language dir of the new nightlies seemed to do nothing more than change the language to something slavic for some reason 20:39:50 <Rubidium> which nightly are you using? 20:40:18 <acerbus> r8122 with the language dir from r8462 20:40:42 <Rubidium> that shouldn't work 20:41:00 <glx> acerbus: you need to use languages from the same version 20:41:26 <XeryusTC> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=31 <- there is twice the same topic here 20:41:35 <acerbus> yea, I was just experimenting 20:47:47 * Born_Acorn asplodes it 20:48:16 <Born_Acorn> boom 20:55:42 <Sacro> whoo, got my phone back from the ditch 20:57:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8542 /trunk/src/network/network_gamelist.cpp: -Codechange (Fix?): tweak the gamelist requery timeout so more servers are found for slow network connections. 21:02:39 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B65D8B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:03:01 *** e1ko [~L@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 21:04:11 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:04:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8054F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: system is entering sleep mode] 21:04:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8543 /trunk/src/network/ (5 files): -Codechange: make a real difference between querying the server via UDP and TCP. 21:05:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8054F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:05:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:18:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FB74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8544 /trunk/src/network/ (network.h network_gamelist.cpp network_gamelist.h): -Codechange: move game list related function/struct declarations to network_gamelist.h 21:33:30 <KeeperOfTheSoul> wow, VS proper as opposed to express outputs to the correct directory :) 21:34:34 *** ceji [~ceji@14.105.3.213.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:41:59 <peter1138> woo, beryl :D 21:42:55 <caladan> hmm? what card you gave got? 21:43:02 <peter1138> geforce4 ti4200 21:43:45 <caladan> hmmm, geforce... gonna take geforce next time, ati suxx :/ 21:44:09 * peter1138 disables wobbly windows 21:44:22 <caladan> ok, dont do that!@ 21:44:25 <caladan> that's fun! 21:44:46 <peter1138> hmm? 21:45:29 <caladan> whose wobbly windows:D 21:45:59 <caladan> *those 21:46:02 <Sacro> peter1138: you can see wobblies through your window? 21:46:11 <peter1138> it's annoying 21:49:40 <peter1138> hmm, nice zoom 21:52:09 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 21:52:10 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:55:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8545 /branches/newhouses/src/newgrf_house.cpp: [NewHouses] -Codechange: make comments about callback result reflect the code. 21:57:37 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-20.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:06:07 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 22:07:55 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:10 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 22:08:19 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:30 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 22:17:57 <peter1138> hmm 22:24:10 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B65D8B.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:27 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 22:37:59 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@213-35-169-13-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [] 22:38:19 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6C7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:22 <Brianetta> hmm? 22:49:56 * Brianetta wonders if there's room for expansion in his autopilot's data structures 22:53:13 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:06 <caladan> vista vs. rest of the world: http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5408/915ka6.gif 22:54:34 <peter1138> old 22:54:35 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 22:56:53 <Bjarni> still ok 22:57:04 <Bjarni> I haven't seen it before 22:57:42 <Bjarni> however I saw MS on TV telling that it's a good thing that vista is available in so many versions because then the user can always pick the right one 22:57:59 <Bjarni> pick the right one... based on what? :) 22:58:25 <Rubidium> Bjarni: the right Vista, ain't that OSX? 22:58:51 <Sacro> that guy looks like owen 23:00:44 <Bjarni> OSX ain't vista 23:00:58 <caladan> rotflmao 23:00:59 <caladan> :D 23:01:02 <Bjarni> OSX actually have a nice OS behind the eyecandy 23:01:10 <caladan> yeah, based on Unix :D 23:01:23 <caladan> gcc, make, grep, ssh, screen, all you really need :D 23:01:44 <Bjarni> yeah 23:02:04 <Bjarni> I can use it to connect to the Solaris servers at uni 23:02:25 <Bjarni> windows needs extra software to do that and it will still not be the same quality 23:03:10 <Bjarni> I don't get vista... all I heard about it is that it's a slowdown and eyecandy thingy 23:03:34 <Bjarni> and some software (like OpenTTD?) will not work correctly in it 23:03:38 <Bjarni> then why use it? 23:03:50 <voodoo070> itll come with new computers 23:03:54 <voodoo070> thats basically it? 23:04:05 <voodoo070> thats why itll be a succes anyway in 2 years 23:04:18 <Bjarni> I know 23:04:34 <Bjarni> but why buy it now for the hardware people already have? 23:04:43 <voodoo070> its a waste 23:04:55 <voodoo070> vista offers no great new features afaik 23:05:05 <Bjarni> why buy windows at all, but that's another issue 23:05:21 <voodoo070> cause school/work use proprietary formats.. 23:05:28 <voodoo070> and windows only apps 23:05:51 <caladan> it depends, my university uses mostly pdf and we get more and more of OO 23:05:53 <Bjarni> vista was supposed to add some nice stuff, but due to the delays, they decided to remove the cool stuff in order not to delay it even more 23:06:23 <Bjarni> I don't think I will need any windows software at all this semester 23:06:40 <caladan> i need some: microwave office:/ 23:06:44 <caladan> but it runs under wine :D 23:06:51 <Bjarni> only gcc, g++ and so on 23:07:09 <Bjarni> and then Matlab, but they installed the Solaris version 23:08:06 <caladan> yep, and i use it mostly as advanced calculator really 23:08:09 <caladan> thru ssh :D 23:08:23 <Rubidium> likes Microsoft's solution for the remote exploitability of Speech Recognition :) a) turn of the speakers, b) turn of speech recognition 23:09:46 <caladan> wh, that's weird, they could calculate some things, like function of autocorelation, see the delay and subtract signal :> 23:10:08 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C2C4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:13:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's like echo elemination, and the feedback-mechanism for that interferes with DRM 23:13:53 <caladan> ;] 23:17:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8546 /trunk/src/network/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: add a seperate (wrapper) functions to send/receive booleans. 23:17:13 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C135.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:16 <peter1138> hmm 23:19:18 <peter1138> beryl is pretty 23:19:26 <peter1138> but doesn't really provide any extra functionality... 23:21:20 <caladan> true, it's just to show that linux *can* 23:27:24 <Wolf01> 'night 23:27:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host203-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 23:28:27 <Sacro> peter1138: some of it is functional... 23:30:28 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498E126.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:47 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498F051.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:06 *** e1ko [~L@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: bye, Im going off] 23:43:31 <Brianetta> peter1138: It does provide one important feature 23:43:41 <Bjarni> more cash for MS? 23:43:50 <Brianetta> Remotely connected X clients don't have to redraw when covered then exposed 23:44:03 <peter1138> .. 23:44:03 <Brianetta> It's why I had Compiz 23:44:12 <peter1138> that's not really a feature of beryl 23:44:22 <Brianetta> Oh, and the Exposé clone was handy once I got used to using it 23:44:47 <Brianetta> peter1138: It's a feature of every compositing WM, of which there are currently two that work. 23:44:54 <Brianetta> Compiz and Beryl. 23:45:24 <peter1138> xfwm4 handles it 23:45:31 <peter1138> ancient windowmakers handle it... 23:45:42 <peter1138> (using 'save unders') 23:45:46 <Brianetta> They can use the z buffer? 23:45:51 <Brianetta> save under, not the same 23:46:02 <Brianetta> drag an opaque window over another, you get redraw hell 23:46:14 <Brianetta> If the client is remote, it's painful 23:46:33 <Brianetta> When I regularly used xchat over ssh, I founf Compiz to be a godsend 23:46:43 <Bjarni> most users do use remote logins to make this feature really needed everywhere :P 23:46:47 <Brianetta> Now I have irssi and screen configured, I am back to a regular wm 23:46:52 <peter1138> no, save unders are used to stop that... 23:47:41 <peter1138> anyway 23:47:44 <Brianetta> Anyway, there's definitely additional functionality 23:47:45 <peter1138> night night 23:47:49 <Brianetta> zooming in 23:47:56 <Brianetta> and exposé,a s I said 23:47:59 <Brianetta> night 23:50:40 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:54:07 <caladan> gn 23:58:44 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-8a6370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Lämnar]