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00:00:43 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-148-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:40 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-139-213.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:14:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:16:41 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7E2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 00:21:43 <Smoovious> wait... the drive through stations... are making it into the main trunk? like, the 0.5.0 trunk? 00:21:59 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:22:17 <Smoovious> (and can those drive-through stations be set up to be built, without having to remove the road first? since they're basically on the road) 00:22:43 <Smoovious> (maybe road waypoints so we can make sure the vehicles take the overpass instead of the suicide-machine (train crossings) ) 00:25:09 <scrooge> Smoovious: check the patch settings 00:25:32 <scrooge> there you can find an option to build the stations without having to remove the road first 00:26:03 <Rubidium> not completely true, the patch option is to build those over town owned roads, you can just build over your own roads 00:26:08 <Smoovious> ok... last time I tried out those stations in MiniIN (granted, an old one with PBS), I didn't see that option 00:26:22 <Smoovious> Rubidium... that's just fine... 00:26:35 <Rubidium> there was much development since MiniIN with regard to that patch 00:26:49 <Rubidium> and there is no such thing as 0.5(.0) trunk 00:26:59 <Smoovious> cool... at the time tho, my goal was to try out the MiniIN... the daylength patch was nice tho 00:27:20 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:27:22 <Smoovious> er 00:27:29 <Smoovious> MiniIN = PBS 00:27:48 <Smoovious> too many conversations going right now :P 00:41:14 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 00:59:12 <scrooge> Icelandic: 137 bad strings, 133 strings pending, 2 translators assigned 00:59:19 <scrooge> almost there \o/ 00:59:53 <scrooge> I've never translated as much in as little time as the last hours :p 01:07:15 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x5735f073.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:10:25 *** scrooge [~balli@dsl-149-96-155.hive.is] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:21:49 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip22.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 01:55:59 *** Burgundavia [~corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 01:58:29 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-45-26.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05:08 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-226-190.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:31:28 <Ailure> oh fuck 02:31:34 <Ailure> I forgot to use a password in this game 02:31:35 <Ailure> way to go 02:31:37 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75B3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:34:03 <Ailure> hah that was little mean 02:34:04 <Ailure> :D 02:34:11 <Ailure> the player who joined my company de-synced 02:34:18 <Ailure> so before he rejoined I changed the company password 02:38:01 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75E04.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:42:42 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.85] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:48:09 <Ailure> why do people make so sharp corners in their networks D: 03:04:50 <Smoovious> what bugs me are the players who have to put a signal on EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF TRACK THEY LAY!.... grrrrr... 03:08:07 <glx> that's not a problem with trunk 03:09:02 <Smoovious> no, it is a problem with the way people play their companies... >grins< 03:09:36 <Smoovious> I got one regular player who just loves to cut huge swaths through large land masses just so he doesn't have to go up a few tiles worth of non-consecutive hill 03:09:41 <Smoovious> diagonally, no less 03:09:49 <Smoovious> at sea level 03:10:01 <Smoovious> (fortunately, I got him to stop doing that for the most part) 03:31:15 *** michi_cc [686d0b42c5@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:31:17 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 03:32:59 *** Burgundavia_ [~corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:33:18 <Ailure> heh 03:33:26 <Ailure> I usually do that alot when i'm lazy :P 03:33:33 <Ailure> but I try to avoid to 03:33:36 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:21 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [] 03:38:22 *** TPK [~jeff@c211-28-162-213.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:38:22 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-213.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:38:59 *** Burgundavia_ [~corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:42:51 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 03:46:52 *** michi_cc [1198aa0d12@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 03:46:55 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*** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:19:47 <ThePizzaKing> The trunk trunk? 05:35:50 <Smoovious> I mean, is... is it in the nightlies? will it be in the next release after RC5? ?? ??? 05:42:52 <ThePizzaKing> It is in the nightlies, and it won't be in 0.5.0 RC6/Final 05:43:34 <Smoovious> okee 05:43:39 <Smoovious> good 'nuff 05:45:31 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498E877.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:46:35 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498E877.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:00:57 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 06:11:00 <peter1138> hmm 06:18:11 <Smoovious> hmm? 06:19:31 <peter1138> bjarni 06:21:26 * Smoovious nods as if he understands. 06:31:20 <peter1138> Belugas, ping? 06:32:41 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:39:41 <peter1138> bah, too many screens 06:41:24 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F4AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:42:57 * Smoovious grins. 06:44:37 *** waxman [~cfluegel@88.198.62.74] has joined #openttd 06:44:39 *** waxman [~cfluegel@88.198.62.74] has quit [] 06:48:44 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489E489.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:53:01 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 06:57:59 <boekabart_> good morning 06:58:26 <boekabart_> I just checked compiling trunk with vs2005 / latest platform sdk 06:58:32 <boekabart_> -> it doesn't 06:58:40 <boekabart_> (see http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=553787#553787 ) 06:58:40 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:58:44 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 06:59:25 <boekabart_> I really think the win32 target platform should be defined 07:08:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8742 /trunk/src/lang/ (14 files): (log message trimmed) 07:08:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-02-15 08:05:58 07:08:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: american - 3 fixed by WhiteRabbit (3) 07:08:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 2 fixed, 7 changed by tucalipe (9) 07:08:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 3 fixed, 3 deleted, 1 changed by Hadez (7) 07:08:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: estonian - 3 fixed by vermon (3) 07:08:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 3 fixed, 13 changed by Skiper (16) 07:09:04 <peter1138> wow 07:09:11 <peter1138> who fucked up our build vehicle windows? 07:09:46 <peter1138> oh yeah 07:09:52 <peter1138> silly question 07:10:09 <Smoovious> someone saw my entry 07:10:18 <Smoovious> wait, nevermind 07:10:22 <Smoovious> :P 07:10:25 <Smoovious> wrong window 07:10:36 <Smoovious> what's messed up about em? 07:10:58 <peter1138> well 07:11:00 <peter1138> make it big 07:11:03 <peter1138> then make it small 07:11:21 <peter1138> in trunk, not 0.5 07:11:24 <Smoovious> oh... the not allowing it to go wider? 07:11:27 <peter1138> .whatever rc 07:11:28 <Smoovious> ahh 07:11:44 <Smoovious> nevermind then, haven't nabbed that one yet... 07:11:47 <Smoovious> will look tho 07:12:13 <Tron> MiHaMeK: check czech.txt 07:12:17 <Tron> it happend /again/ 07:12:50 <peter1138> are they sill adding/removing .subs & .news? 07:12:51 <MiHaMeK> Tron: hmm 07:12:53 <MiHaMeK> no 07:12:58 <MiHaMeK> not again! :-( 07:13:04 <MiHaMeK> they don't add it 07:13:11 <Tron> would you please check the diff before commiting? 07:13:35 <MiHaMeK> Tron: ok, next time I will, otherwise it's automatic 07:14:17 <Tron> also this 3sk case is still there in slovenian 07:14:31 <Tron> and the nom case in czech should probably removed, too 07:14:42 <MiHaMeK> ok, I think it's a major bug in WT2, which requires URGENT fix 07:15:04 * peter1138 mumbles something about closed source 07:15:14 <MiHaMeK> peter1138: it's open source.. 07:15:21 <MiHaMeK> peter1138: Rubidium also has the sources 07:15:32 <MiHaMeK> peter1138: and if you want, i can also give you account 07:15:48 <MiHaMeK> anyhow, bbl, wt2 07:17:24 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-55.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:18:24 <Smoovious> damn... nightly.openttd.org not responding 07:18:53 <peter1138> is 07:19:04 <Smoovious> nevermind... I finally got a response 07:19:22 <MiHaMeK> hmm 07:19:26 <MiHaMeK> i found the leak 07:19:32 <MiHaMeK> I missed a case 07:19:51 <MiHaMeK> i checked for every possible changes except for removing a case 07:19:56 <MiHaMeK> +d string 07:23:46 <boekabart_> I'm a bit disappointed no-one seems to care about the win32 build problem (see http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=553787#553787 ). Tron, comment? 07:23:46 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip22.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 07:24:23 <Smoovious> can I set up my different installs of OTTD to use the same data folder so I don't have to keep 3 and 4 different copies of my grf's etc? 07:24:46 <Smoovious> boekabart_... I care about it... I'm just not in a position to do anything about it 07:25:05 <boekabart_> Smoovious: But who _is_ ? (which dev) 07:25:05 <Tron> boekabart_: why are you asking me? heck, i have to use a custom Makefile since the arrival of the "new" build system, because it simply doesn't work for me and fixing it would've taken me longer than just whip up a small Makefile 07:25:19 <Smoovious> hell, right now I'd be happy to be able to compile the sources on a win2k machine, but one of the packs I need to get, won't install on less than a 2003 07:26:14 <boekabart_> Tron: I ask you because I don't know what dev is 'about this' (and I saw you talking now) 07:26:14 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:26:36 <boekabart_> Smoovious: _what_ pack do you need to compile!? 07:27:02 <Smoovious> the DirectX one... that is listed in the wiki 07:27:06 <Smoovious> hang on, phone call 07:27:21 <boekabart_> the dx sdk won't install!? 07:27:28 <boekabart_> just copy it then :) 07:27:29 * Smoovious nods. 07:27:54 <boekabart_> it installs fine on XP (did yesterday), can't imagine it doesn't on 2k.... 07:28:03 <peter1138> !seen bjarni 07:28:05 <_42_> peter1138, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 7 hours ago (15.02. 00:27) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 15 hours 21 minutes there. 07:28:14 <boekabart_> I can give you my include+lib folder ;) 07:29:44 <Tron> boekabart_: i won't do anything build system related. Go ask the author who coughed up the current abomination of a build system, who is now hiding in #openttd.tgp 07:30:01 <boekabart_> what does tgp mean? ;) 07:30:56 <boekabart_> actually it doesn't have anything to do with the build system.. just misses winver defines that specify platform SDK, both trunk and 050 07:31:03 <peter1138> the gay posse? 07:31:17 <peter1138> or terragenesis perlin 07:31:20 <boekabart_> peter1138: whoops, leaving already :) 07:33:27 *** Baboolal [~baboolal@cm50.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 07:40:48 <peter1138> later 07:40:55 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:43:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8743 /trunk/src/ (aircraft_cmd.cpp airport.cpp airport.h newgrf_engine.cpp): 07:43:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 07:43:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Add a Z adjustment attribute for helicopter pads to AirportFTAClass to get rid of some special cases for oilrigs and heliports 07:49:41 *** Baboolal [~baboolal@cm50.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:50:43 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 08:00:30 *** KUDr_ [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 08:03:28 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:07:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C7F9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:08:17 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c19015.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:12:00 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c19015.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:00 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 08:13:07 *** KUDr_ is now known as KUDr 08:14:45 <Smoovious> sorry I poofed, boekabart_... my girl called... priorities... 08:14:54 <boekabart_> That LONG? 08:15:05 <Smoovious> yeah... she'll be calling back soon 08:15:14 <Smoovious> it was one of our shorter convos 08:15:39 <boekabart_> Smoovious: i have a torrent file here with the DX sdk lib+include (x86 only), want it? 08:15:44 <boekabart_> (private torrent) 08:15:49 <Smoovious> I uninstalled some of what I already installed before, trying to get set up... was going to go with 08:15:58 <Smoovious> x86 only? like, is that an older version of it? 08:16:34 <boekabart_> no, i filtered it to make it smaller ;) 08:16:57 <Smoovious> ok... well, worth a shot... :) will give it a go... DCC ok 08:17:07 <boekabart_> ah... i'm a dcc virgin 08:17:15 <Smoovious> here 08:17:28 <Smoovious> drag/drop the filename to the /query window 08:18:00 <Smoovious> oh well... ports not forwarded 08:18:07 <Smoovious> url? 08:18:16 *** Burgundavia [~corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:22:19 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 08:23:41 *** XeryusTC [~irc@217.123.58.238] has joined #openttd 08:28:16 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:29:06 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 08:40:40 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 08:51:46 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 08:53:17 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 09:01:48 <Darkvater> !seen peter1138 09:01:49 <_42_> Darkvater, peter1138 (~peter@svn.bucks.net) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 hour 20 minutes ago (15.02. 07:40) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 1 hour 39 minutes there. 09:01:53 <Darkvater> now where's he off to? 09:05:30 <Smoovious> I think he said <peter1138> the gay posse? 09:05:39 <Smoovious> but don't quote me 09:08:01 <boekabart_> Darkvater: Did you take a look at the build problem with latest P.sdk? 09:10:33 <Darkvater> boekabart_: no I did not because I'm not downloading a whopping 600MB or how big it is SDK to check it and I don't have HD space for anyways. And I didn't have time for it to build, apply your fix and test the binary on all windows OS's 09:10:55 <Darkvater> and to further complicate things I don't have the VS2003 compiler at hand which is needed to test the binary on win9x 09:11:39 <boekabart_> me neither :) 09:11:46 <boekabart_> i can install it on a VM though 09:12:04 <boekabart_> is NT4 supported? 09:12:33 <Darkvater> I can only assume so because I don't have an NT4 license nor copy 09:15:17 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 09:15:23 <Darkvater> ola peter1138 :) 09:15:29 <peter1138> hi 09:15:45 <peter1138> my maillist posts do not appear 09:15:53 <Darkvater> :O 09:16:00 <Darkvater> blacklist'd! 09:16:21 <peter1138> but 1) i said something about the czech .subs and .news things 09:16:27 <peter1138> and 2) i said something about bjarni and r8331 09:17:35 <boekabart_> Darkvater: i'll play smth with VM's to test 98 and NT4 09:18:08 <boekabart_> Darkvater: what are the specific built instructions for 98? use vs2003 (why) and what setting? 09:18:12 <boekabart_> (url?) 09:18:56 <Maedhros> 09:19:00 <Maedhros> bah 09:19:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> i would play something with Veronica Mars, too, but that wouldn't have anything to do with 98 or NT4 :p 09:19:44 <Darkvater> it's probably bjarni then, he's filtering all maillist posts ;p 09:20:02 <Darkvater> boekabart_: default VS2003 release build. Do test win95 as well 09:20:21 <boekabart_> where am i supposed to find a win95 install CD 09:20:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have one 09:20:40 <Smoovious> I got a torrent for one 09:20:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> original even :p 09:20:50 <boekabart_> bootable? Please send! 09:20:53 <Smoovious> I have win95 installed even 09:20:57 <Smoovious> no, not bootable 09:21:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> i only don't know where it is 09:21:12 <boekabart_> i can use disk imgs i guess to install it on a VM 09:21:16 <boekabart_> (95, it's abandonware, right?) 09:21:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> there is no such thing as abandonware 09:21:38 <boekabart_> Smoovious: can you dcc/mail torrent? thx 09:21:39 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:22:24 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 09:22:35 <Smoovious> DCC'ing torrent... hang on 09:23:36 <boekabart_> Apparently, you DO have your DCC ports open :) 09:23:51 <Smoovious> I have mine open... you don't have yours open 09:24:08 <Smoovious> I sent from one of my leaf computers 09:24:26 <boekabart_> hm, can dcc ports be changed? can they be any range? 09:24:30 <Smoovious> yes 09:24:45 <Smoovious> I even have my listening port changed so it doesn't conflict with the other computers' mIRCs 09:25:08 <boekabart_> I think i just opened them :) 09:25:44 <Smoovious> look in options... Connect -> Options -> Advanced for the DCC port settings 09:25:57 <Smoovious> I was able to send to you, because sending a file is an incoming connection 09:26:03 <Smoovious> receiving is an outgoing 09:26:03 <boekabart_> i c 09:26:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 09:26:20 <boekabart_> so weird, receiving is outgoing ;) paradoxal 09:26:49 <Smoovious> well, say I send you a file... I send a DCC CTCP through the IRC network, letting you know what port to connect to me on to get the file... you connect to me, I send the file 09:28:47 <Triffid_Hunter> I've set up dcc transfers manually before when at a friend's on dialup 09:28:58 * Smoovious nods. 09:29:14 <Triffid_Hunter> send the request to someone pointing back to my home machine where I've told netcat to listen and read the file 09:29:14 <Smoovious> who wants to do that all day tho 09:33:21 *** Tron_ [FzbFBbaK@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 09:33:34 <Smoovious> nice when you have a swarm of only 7 peers, and you get ~120kB/s download, eh? 09:36:59 <Triffid_Hunter> yup 09:37:07 <Triffid_Hunter> I had that the other day 09:39:57 <Smoovious> its just so rare... nice when people got their clients set up efficiently 09:43:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> i never get 120kB download 09:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> that might be because of the fact that i have only 45kB downstream :p 09:45:22 <Smoovious> nah, that's not it 09:46:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> if i had a nondeterministic turing machine, i could use my upstream for downstream, too :ΓΌ 09:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> :p 09:47:01 <Smoovious> I swear, one of my dialup modems behaved like it did just that... 09:50:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, if you have access to both ends it is probably not really problematic to switch direction on a channel 09:51:30 <Smoovious> yeah, but I was just too used to having upload and download discrete, and set my limits accordingly... not expecting the modem to just switch around according to the load, completely choking off part of my bandwidth in the process 09:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> just that you then have no upstream at all, which could make it problematic for ACK packages ;) 09:52:11 <Smoovious> after a while took the modem back out, went back to the 33.6... (since I was only getting a 31.2 carrier on both anyways 09:52:19 <Smoovious> precisely 09:52:29 <Smoovious> plus making mIRC time out constantly 09:59:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8086F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:02:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:02:54 <Darkvater> Tron_: awake? 10:07:50 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 10:10:20 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c19015.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:10:49 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c19015.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:50 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 10:12:40 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:12:46 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 10:18:00 <boekabart_> DarkVater: found cds/iso's for 95, 98 (all vers) and NT4, in my offices MSDN archive (read: 2 huge boxes filles to the brim with cd's in 12 languages.) 10:21:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r8744 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_engine.cpp vehicle.cpp): 10:21:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix(r654/2105): Call GetFirstVehicleInChain only for trains, and assert the 10:21:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: vehicle type in that function. Not a critical error, but it does increase game 10:21:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: performance by up to 10% when playing a large game (many vehicles) with 10:21:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: aircraft/road vehicle newgrfs loaded. 10:27:31 <Darkvater> boekabart_: :) 10:27:46 <boekabart_> installing 95 as we speak, can't believe how long ago that is 10:28:06 <Darkvater> yeah it looks really funny ;p 10:28:09 <Darkvater> especially IE3 10:28:32 <boekabart_> i also (already had) a win311 for workgroups running 10:28:45 <boekabart_> but man, what Dsound version do we use by default? 10:28:46 <Darkvater> I remember the time win98 came out. We all rushed over to a friend to see him install win98...then after the first boot it crashes 10:28:49 <Darkvater> hehe 10:28:55 <Darkvater> none 10:29:05 <Darkvater> we don't have dsound support (yet) 10:29:06 <boekabart_> ?? yes we do, on win32? 10:29:12 <Darkvater> no we don't 10:29:27 <boekabart_> dsound.h is included, dx sdk is necessary to compile (at least on vs2005) 10:29:44 <Darkvater> that's for directmsuci 10:30:50 <boekabart_> ha, 95 iso is on harddisk 1, the virtual harddisk is on disk 2, never saw that copy progress go so fast ;) 10:31:02 <boekabart_> install win95 in a minute or 2 10:32:18 <boekabart_> anyway, i noticed that some dx sdk is needed to compile. just the platform sdk isn't enough (dmusic is found, but 1 other file is not) 10:33:10 <boekabart_> installing vc6 on win95 now, awesome oldness , it's like an interactive museum! 10:33:32 <peter1138> bye 10:33:33 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:33:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> vc6 won't help you compile ottd 10:34:19 <boekabart_> really? It's not working for 95/98? do i really need 2003? 10:34:23 <Darkvater> well I use the directx sdk from august or something 10:34:38 <Darkvater> you can only compile ottd with vs2003 or higher 10:34:49 <Darkvater> that binary will run, or is supposed to run on win9x 10:53:18 <boekabart_> ok, i'll install 2003 then 11:06:02 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 11:09:30 <Smoovious> I couldn't even find a directx sdk that would install on 2000 11:09:46 <Smoovious> (I haven't gotten to what you sent me yet, boekabart_) 11:10:00 <Darkvater> the directx sdk is simply a zip file 11:10:06 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x5358b8c8.arcnxe1.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:10:21 <Smoovious> I followed the link on the wiki... 11:10:40 <Brianetta> I think the "Multiplayer Etiquette" thread has largely proven that there's no common etiquette across servers. 11:11:19 <Smoovious> maybe one of these days, should get together to make an etiquette page 11:11:57 <Smoovious> stuff like buying up the catchment area so nobody else can service an industry... signalling every single piece of track, etc 11:11:59 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:12:16 <Smoovious> tho once we can build bridges over signalled track, even if it is diagonal, it won't be as big a deal 11:12:29 <Smoovious> the roads over diagonal track will help too 11:14:05 <Smoovious> or is that diagonal track over roads... .. . 11:14:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E282.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:31 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498E877.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:11 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498E877.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:44:42 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-213.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 11:54:45 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:54:58 <lolman> Ello :) 11:58:11 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-26.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 12:02:08 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:07:46 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c19015.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:11:30 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c19015.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:30 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 12:17:36 <boekabart_> bleh. vs2003 doesn't install on win98 ;) 12:18:07 <Darkvater> boekabart_: duh ;) 12:18:30 <Darkvater> you're supposed to install it on win2k/xp/vista whatever and make the binary on that and only test it on win9x 12:18:47 <boekabart_> yes yes, i'll put it on a clean xp image 12:19:53 <boekabart_> at least i've got a clean 98 and 95 installed to test on :) 12:20:15 <Darkvater> don't forget winsock2 for w95 and mslu for both 12:22:50 <boekabart_> winsock2? just enabling the tcp/ip protocol doesn't do the trick? IE3 works like a charm... just not a single site shows correctly 12:25:27 <Darkvater> well I always needed it for ottd in win95 12:27:17 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 12:28:29 <Triffid_Hunter> I thought winsock was only for <=3.11 12:28:30 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:33 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 12:40:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> winsock is not "for" a windows version, every windows needs a winsock, only for >= 98, it is already included, i believe 95 has one, too, but that lacks important features 12:42:19 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:45:58 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 12:46:10 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [] 12:49:19 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 12:54:28 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54:48 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 12:58:00 <Smoovious> he has Win95B from me, so it should have WS2 already on it 12:58:38 <Smoovious> tho not ruling out additional things 12:59:21 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:03:00 <Darkvater> *sigh* 13:03:02 <Darkvater> czech.txt(27): FATAL: Invalid case-name 'news' 13:03:15 <Darkvater> why does this damn thing keep popping back? 13:04:09 <Smoovious> duct tape? 13:05:37 <ln-_> some wise man in the past chose not to use the normal gettext approach for internalization. 13:08:35 <Darkvater> gettextis for pussies 13:08:35 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-26.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:49 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:21 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-173-171.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 13:11:10 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 13:15:46 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2A37F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:25:06 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:26 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-55.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:38:32 *** peter1138 [HydraIRC@petern.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:01 <Darkvater> wb peter1138 13:40:12 <peter1138> hi 13:42:11 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-237-199.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 13:43:57 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-237-199.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 13:43:57 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-237-199.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:54 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-173-171.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:58 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:49:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:51:22 *** setrodox__ is now known as setrodox 13:52:10 *** scrooge [~balli@dsl-149-96-155.hive.is] has joined #openttd 13:55:18 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 13:56:00 <RichK67> Darkvater ping 13:56:08 <Darkvater> pong 13:56:11 <RichK67> hi 13:56:25 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7EB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:44 <RichK67> i think we need to chat about the airports stuff - can you join me & Celestar in the other channel 13:57:05 <Darkvater> we can do it here :) 13:57:36 <RichK67> err... ok... guess we smell over there or something ;) 13:57:52 <Darkvater> donnu, the internet doesn't really work well with smell 13:58:38 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 13:59:28 <Darkvater> hmm this DirectSound->SetVolume() doesn't really cooperate with openttd :/ 13:59:31 <Darkvater> or I'm retarded 13:59:49 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has left #openttd [] 14:00:34 <boekabart_> Darkvater: OK, did a clean build of trunk with vs2003 14:00:49 <boekabart_> copy all to a win98 box: no go 14:01:04 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@f210234.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:01:13 <Darkvater> binary doesn't work? 14:01:31 <boekabart_> dbg: [misc] [utf8[ error converting wide-string. Errno 122 14:01:40 <Darkvater> are you using mslu? 14:01:50 <boekabart_> i extracted it to c:/MSLU 14:01:51 <boekabart_> and then? 14:02:55 <Darkvater> boekabart_: I don't think either windows nor openttd can find the dll there 14:03:08 <boekabart_> so, windows/system or current dir? 14:03:14 <glx> yes 14:03:25 <Darkvater> +1 to glx :) 14:03:55 <boekabart_> that helps :) 14:04:27 <boekabart_> win98 (not SE) : check. 14:04:51 <Darkvater> grr 14:05:08 <Darkvater> waveout: volume 62 of 127 I can hear it clearly 14:05:25 <Darkvater> dsound: volume -5164 of 0 (0 is max, -10000 is min), I can barely hear it 14:05:29 <Darkvater> this is stupid 14:06:17 <Darkvater> anyone experienced with dsound? 14:06:40 <boekabart_> i used to be 14:07:25 <boekabart_> i think dsound volume is in decibel (scaled somehow) 14:07:38 <glx> dmusic has some problems with volume too 14:07:43 <Darkvater> yes it is 14:08:01 <Darkvater> probably taking volume half with dsound will half db which is far less than half-volume 14:08:05 <Darkvater> or something 14:08:06 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c19015.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:06 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 14:08:12 <boekabart_> 100=db, top of my head,, so -5100 = -51 db = 1/17th of the volume = 255/17= volume 15 14:08:18 <boekabart_> sorry, 7 of 127 14:08:59 <boekabart_> no... wait 14:09:17 <boekabart_> equals 127 * (1/(2^17)) = 1 or so :) 14:09:55 <Darkvater> hmm, that makes it clear...meaning I need a different volume calculation ;p 14:10:10 <Darkvater> than (-DSBVOLUME_MIN / 127) * volume - -DSBVOLUME_MIN 14:10:11 <Darkvater> ;p 14:10:15 <boekabart_> although , waveout is just the scaling factor, i think, but it's not trivial( is it?) to say: 0.5 x multiplier = 0.5 volume 14:10:45 <Darkvater> waveout uses the ottd mixer which just scales it internally 14:10:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> +10db means twice volume 14:10:54 <boekabart_> +3 db 14:11:46 <boekabart_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel 14:12:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> no right, 10 times 14:13:46 <boekabart_> "+3 dB means two times the power" actually 14:14:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> the +3 for x2 is approximately, +10 for x10 is exact 14:14:16 <boekabart_> but: power is the square of voltage, so 2x as much 'voltage' on the output = 4x as much power 14:14:33 <boekabart_> so, 63 of 127 = 1/4th of the power 14:14:51 <boekabart_> = -6 db, so try -600 in dsound for the same effect 14:15:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> !calc log(2)/log(10) 14:15:06 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause3: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=5): Function log not defined.; 14:15:19 <boekabart_> !calc 2log(2) 14:15:21 <_42_> boekabart_: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 14:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> !calc ln(2)/ln(10) 14:15:23 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause3: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=5): Function ln not defined.; 14:15:29 <boekabart_> !calc my ass then 14:15:31 <glx> !calc lg(2) 14:15:31 <_42_> boekabart_: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 14:15:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> what a stupid bot 14:15:33 <_42_> glx: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=5): Function lg not defined.; 14:15:37 <glx> !calc l(2) 14:15:38 <_42_> glx: .6931471805; 14:15:42 <boekabart_> oh yeah 14:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> !calc l(2)/l(10) 14:15:50 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause3: .3010299956; 14:15:56 <boekabart_> what base is that log? (doesn't matter of course, for the / ) 14:16:06 <Darkvater> 15:14 < boekabart_> so, 63 of 127 = 1/4th of the power << don't you mean half the power? 14:16:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> !calc l(2.618281828) 14:16:17 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause3: .9625183118; 14:16:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> !calc l(2.718281828) 14:16:25 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause3: .9999999998; 14:16:26 <boekabart_> Darkvater: read ^^ about voltage and power 14:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> wrong digit 14:16:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> boekabart_: bases of scientific logs are always e 14:17:00 <boekabart_> true 14:17:01 <boekabart_> output voltage half: output power 1/4 14:17:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> if nothing else is specified 14:17:39 <boekabart_> if the speakers are Ohmish ;) 14:17:57 <Sacro|Laptop> is that like ahmish? 14:17:57 <boekabart_> V down by 2: A down by 2 -> VA = W down by 4 14:18:16 <boekabart_> Sacro|Laptop: no, they don't use electricity. 14:19:06 <Sacro|Laptop> boekabart_: ahhh right 14:19:22 <boekabart_> Darkvater: get it? 14:19:34 <Darkvater> no ;p 14:19:57 <boekabart_> do you want to go private then? Because i think the rest does ;) extra class for DV 14:20:10 <Sacro|Laptop> note to self: dont tilt laptop when cd drive is spinning, makes nasty grinding noise 14:20:26 * Darkvater already has enough pms open as it is ;) 14:20:26 <boekabart_> isn't that the way xbox360 destroys dvd's? 14:20:49 <Sacro|Laptop> could be... 14:21:00 <Sacro|Laptop> im scared that what im doing might actually work... 14:21:14 <boekabart_> ok short: Dsound = dB = about power, every -300 mB (dsound unit) = half the power, which is 0.707 times multiply factor for the wave values. 14:21:25 <Darkvater> basically all I need to know is how to calc it, I'll leave the understanding to you peeps :) 14:21:37 <boekabart_> did I just tell you? 14:21:55 <Darkvater> volume: 0-127 (max); dsound:-10000-0(max) vol 62 is half loud, what's the calc 14:21:56 <Darkvater> there;p 14:21:59 <Sacro|Laptop> surely you should use 1/sqroot(2) 14:21:59 <Darkvater> I'm stupid 14:22:30 <Sacro|Laptop> !calc 1/sqrt(2) 14:22:32 <_42_> Sacro|Laptop: .7071067812; 14:22:39 <Sacro|Laptop> whoo, i remembered it 14:22:55 <Sacro|Laptop> because its logarithmic... 14:25:11 <boekabart_> Darkvater: 62/127 is not half the volume, officially, it's 1/4th 14:25:27 <boekabart_> i think with a dB meter you'd get 6 dB less 14:26:20 <Darkvater> boekabart_: ottd is thinking linearly thus 62 is half the volume 14:26:37 <boekabart_> fine, but i think it isn't :) 14:26:54 <boekabart_> so for the same effect.... :) 14:26:56 <Sacro|Laptop> heh... it didnt like that 14:27:02 <boekabart_> try -300 or -600 and let me know 14:27:16 <Darkvater> I don't want manual values ;p 14:27:19 <Darkvater> but hang on 14:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> if what was said above is correct, that 100=1db, then -300 (= -3db) is "half" 14:28:51 <Darkvater> bleh, it's hard to compare 14:29:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> -3 = log_10(1/2) 14:29:26 <Darkvater> oh wait, I can fire up 2 copies 14:29:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can possibly do some magic with bitshifting 14:31:48 <Darkvater> boekabart_: -300 is too loud 14:31:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> -3 = 10*log_10(1/2) of course 14:31:52 <Darkvater> lemme see -600 14:32:13 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 14:33:47 <Ailure> openTTD players 14:33:48 <Ailure> like 14:33:51 <Ailure> sharp corners 14:33:59 <Ailure> uses station layouts with sharp corner 14:34:00 <Darkvater> boekabart_: -600 is almost good, just a little too loud 14:35:01 <Ailure> then I am kinda the opposite 14:35:07 <Ailure> I try to make my lines smooth as possible 14:35:14 <Ailure> so I wind up using diagonal rails alot D: 14:35:25 <Ailure> smooth and short as possible 14:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> diagonal lines were a lot better if we also had diagonal bridges, tunnels and stations 14:38:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> and vehicles look out of scale comparing normal and diagonal 14:38:30 <boekabart_> Darkvater: try -623 14:39:15 <boekabart_> here: 1000 * log_10( (62.f/127.f)^2 ); 14:39:21 <boekabart_> that's -623 14:39:25 <boekabart_> and your formula 14:39:55 <Belugas> hello 14:39:58 <Belugas> tourlou 14:40:00 <Belugas> good day 14:40:42 <Darkvater> still too loud 14:44:23 <Darkvater> boekabart_: -900 sounds more like it 14:44:27 <Darkvater> as win32 reference 14:45:05 <boekabart_> weird.. and 0 and 127 sound the same? as a reference? 14:45:37 <Darkvater> yes 14:45:58 <Darkvater> buffer[0] += *b * volume_left >> 8; << this is how win32 does it 14:46:19 <Darkvater> volume_left = (volume * 128) 14:46:23 <Darkvater> crudely 14:46:59 <Darkvater> dsound does buffer[0] += *b * 128; and then calling SetVolume() with the required volume 14:49:19 <boekabart_> ah, 128 = 1 db? then, replace 1000 by 1280 in the ^^ formula 14:49:41 <boekabart_> => 62/127 == -804 14:50:00 <Darkvater> which one? ;p 14:50:04 <boekabart_> oops i didn't read 14:50:12 <boekabart_> <boekabart_> here: 1000 * log_10( (62.f/127.f)^2 ); 14:50:33 <Darkvater> ah... is there any way of doing this int-based? 14:50:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can express log_10 by log_2 14:50:48 <boekabart_> just use intlog( )! 14:50:52 <boekabart_> No way jose 14:51:04 <boekabart_> nafaik 14:51:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> which means you count bits 14:51:25 <Darkvater> well something approximate 14:51:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> which is probably horribly inaccurate 14:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> but why would this need to be integer? 14:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> ideally, i would expect the API to provide a function to convert a slider position into dB values 14:55:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's not that uncommon of a procedure 14:56:47 <Darkvater> dsound doesn't have that 14:57:24 <Darkvater> res = buffer->SetVolume(1280 * pow(log10((float)volume / 127.f), 2)); 14:57:27 <Darkvater> way too loud 14:57:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> no 14:57:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> log(pow()) 14:58:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> not pow(log()) 14:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> you could actually just do 2*log() 14:58:42 <Darkvater> that's not ^2 :) 14:58:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> log(x^2) = 2*log(x) 14:59:25 <Darkvater> crappezoid 14:59:27 <Darkvater> still too loud 14:59:34 <boekabart_> Darkvater: win95 needs winsock2, and works 14:59:44 <boekabart_> although I set winver to 0x0400 :) 15:00:05 *** Tron_ [FzbFBbaK@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:17 <boekabart_> Darkvater: no, formula is wrong 15:00:26 <boekabart_> the power should go INSIDE the log 15:00:34 <boekabart_> OR, do a x2 outside :) 15:00:39 <Darkvater> float vol = 1280 * log10(pow((float)volume / 127.f, 2)); 15:00:40 <boekabart_> (is what i remember from math) 15:00:43 <Darkvater> but still too loud 15:01:12 <boekabart_> that is strange :) 15:01:20 <peter1138> hmm? 15:01:29 * peter1138 wonders what celestar wanted 15:03:19 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:50 <Darkvater> boekabart_: so someone is wrong ;p 15:04:56 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@f210234.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> maybe you should concentrate on comparing min and max 15:07:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> and guard against volume=0 15:07:34 <Darkvater> max is good 15:07:57 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 15:08:58 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@f210234.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:58 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 15:09:32 <Darkvater> hmm so but where does DSBVOLUME_MIN and DSBVOLUME_MAX factor into this volume calculation? 15:10:51 <scrooge> what are DMU and EMU trains? 15:10:53 <scrooge> in the color menu 15:11:08 <scrooge> I asked about this a few days ago, I just can't remember what it sands for 15:11:21 <Darkvater> Diesel Multi Unit? 15:11:22 <ln-_> whose brilliant idea was that damn color menu in the first place? 15:11:30 * Darkvater points at peter1138 15:11:48 <scrooge> and Electric Multi Unit... 15:12:02 <ln-_> like.. i'm not completely against it, but there would have been a lot more essential things to do. 15:12:17 <scrooge> what is that exactly? 15:12:26 <ln-_> Diesel Multiple Unit says wikipedia. 15:13:12 <scrooge> ah, so it's where there are 2 and 2 together 15:14:58 <ln-_> i'd define it as a train that does not have a separate engine (locomotive). 15:15:37 <scrooge> I see 15:15:54 *** Tron_ [ZupauGrt@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 15:16:04 <Darkvater> wb Tron_ 15:17:17 *** peter1138 [HydraIRC@petern.bucks.net] has quit [Quit: yawn] 15:17:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> the german language does not have this "multiple unit" construct... there are either self-driving vehicles, or wagons dragged by a locomotive 15:17:45 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:18:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> it does not differentiate wether that is a single wagon or multiple 15:20:08 <boekabart_> Darkvater: the DSBVOLUME_MIN , trust me, is just the mimimum value that dx takes into account, it assumes it to be 0 15:20:12 <boekabart_> -100 = silent 15:20:32 <boekabart_> but it's not a linear scale to there, it nears 0 and then at -10000 jumps to it 15:20:38 <boekabart_> so don't use it 15:20:52 <boekabart_> unless you need a minimum or a hardcoded value for 'off' 15:22:43 <Darkvater> ok 15:23:07 <boekabart_> the approach i gave you is correct, i guess you just need a scaling or so 15:23:24 <boekabart_> did you compare 127 and 0 ? are they the same? 15:23:55 <Darkvater> if setvolume is commented out or set to 0 you get full volume which is the same 15:24:04 <Darkvater> 0 is silence 15:24:23 <boekabart_> By the way: NT4 does not compute, at least with the patch i applied. same problem: for the vs2005 build as for the vs2003 build, by the way, both exception 15:24:30 <boekabart_> at startup. but no unicode msgs 15:25:57 <Darkvater> does RC5/RC3 work on NT4? 15:27:00 <boekabart_> RC5: not the one i compiled 15:27:18 <Darkvater> no I mean the binary from sourceforge 15:27:24 <boekabart_> don't have it 15:27:25 <boekabart_> :) 15:27:29 <boekabart_> i'll get it 15:27:30 <Darkvater> as a reference whether it works or not 15:28:39 <boekabart_> the site works in nt4 :) 15:28:49 <boekabart_> it's not pretty, but it works 15:29:36 <boekabart_> no, the sourceforge linkdoesn't work :) 15:29:55 <Darkvater> fucking sF 15:29:58 <Darkvater> bittorrent :) 15:32:45 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 15:35:19 <Darkvater> hmm, so back to setvol 15:37:47 <Darkvater> bleh 15:38:06 <tokai> !seen truelight 15:38:09 <_42_> tokai, TrueLight was last seen joining the partyline on DorpsGek 1 week 2 days 24 minutes ago (06.02. 15:13). 15:38:54 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75B3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:02 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75B3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:15 <boekabart_> The RC5 works in NT4 15:42:25 <Darkvater> good 15:42:28 <boekabart_> so probably my patch breaks NT4 :) 15:42:31 <Darkvater> that's your reference :) 15:44:53 <boekabart_> also runs in 95 15:45:02 <boekabart_> amazing 15:56:11 *** Bulb [~Bulb@145-119-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 16:06:37 <Darkvater> hmm am I right in assuming that if a volume is half as hard as another one (eg linear slider) then it should be approx 3dB less? 16:07:40 <Darkvater> or should refer to measurements of amplitude and no power/intentisty? 16:09:25 <Sacro|Laptop> yes 16:09:36 <Sacro|Laptop> 3dB is half 16:10:06 <Darkvater> good, then I need to tweak the volume thingie for ottd if we want win32 as a reference 16:10:58 <Sacro|Laptop> yup 16:11:32 <Darkvater> hmm 16:13:07 <boekabart_> i guess you can assume that the db scale of dsound is correct. they _did_ think about it a lot when making the api i think... 16:13:40 <Darkvater> but something is wrong then 16:13:55 <boekabart_> well, the multiply doesn't work as expected 16:14:07 <Darkvater> if I simply do a db calculation of 1 (with respect to 127) then I get a clearly audible sound 16:14:13 <Darkvater> only -20dB 16:14:13 <boekabart_> the result isn't as expected :) 16:15:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r8745 /trunk/src/unix.cpp: [PSP] -Add: added a CSleep() for PSP 16:15:15 <boekabart_> -42 dB 16:15:34 <Darkvater> he 16:15:38 <boekabart_> 10log(1/127) * 2 * 20 16:15:42 <boekabart_> * 2 * 10 16:15:46 <boekabart_> = -42 16:15:59 <boekabart_> the 2 = the same as the pow( 1/127,2) inside the log 16:16:09 <boekabart_> log( N^2 ) == 2 log (N) 16:16:23 <boekabart_> so, 2000 * 10log( 1/127 ) should work 16:16:29 <Darkvater> I did * 3000 16:16:43 <Darkvater> which for half works pretty good 16:16:53 <Darkvater> 2000 is still too loud compared to waveout 16:16:55 <boekabart_> sure you've got 10log? 16:17:01 <boekabart_> nog elog? 16:17:04 <boekabart_> not elog? 16:17:08 <Darkvater> what do you take me for? 16:17:09 <Darkvater> float vol = 1000 * 3 * log10((float)volume / 127.f); 16:17:33 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-189-98.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 16:17:50 <boekabart_> the 3 is fishy, should be 2.... but if you say 1/127 => -20 db you do smth wrong, it's -42 (-4200) 16:18:02 <boekabart_> or -6300 with the correction applied 16:18:31 <boekabart_> if you do the extra * 1.5, just document it as a 'hack to get the same result as waveout mulitply' 16:18:36 <Darkvater> no cause I took 10*log10(1/127) 16:19:12 <Darkvater> not *2 there 16:19:40 <boekabart_> ok... but remember that db is about power and 1/127 about output voltage, so the *2 is only logical 16:20:30 <Darkvater> woow, this is so weird, with *3 I get the exact same volume levels as with waveout 16:21:42 <Darkvater> `exit 16:21:43 <Darkvater> eek 16:21:47 <Darkvater> wrong window;p 16:29:31 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30:15 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 16:31:21 <Maedhros> Darkvater: for splitting off m7, what do you think of this patch? 16:31:23 <Maedhros> http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/split_off_m7.diff 16:32:08 * Brianetta looks with awe upon the coolness that is svn blame 16:32:28 <Maedhros> hehe, it's good, isn't it :) 16:34:41 <Darkvater> don't forget oldloader 16:37:14 *** TronBSD [~tron@p54A3D7D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:40:11 <Maedhros> good point 16:41:46 <Maedhros> although, i don't think oldloader has anyhing to do with m7 at all at the moment... 16:42:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> what if you try to load TTDP games with newhouses? 16:43:16 <Maedhros> i haven't tried, but i think it's safe to assume it won't work 16:43:28 <Darkvater> well it can work 16:43:34 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3ED30.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:36 <Darkvater> you just have to fix it up and map the right bits 16:43:56 <Maedhros> yeah, it can, but i don't know what i need to do to make it work so far :) 16:44:11 <Belugas> it woulb be a real bitch 16:44:48 <Darkvater> because? 16:44:59 <Darkvater> isn't most the same bit-usage? 16:45:05 <Belugas> no 16:45:10 <Belugas> same functionnality, 16:45:18 <Belugas> but different way of doing 16:45:26 <Darkvater> ah 16:45:30 <Darkvater> well would be nice ;) 16:45:37 <Belugas> like owner... 16:46:00 <Maedhros> i'll put it on a todolist somewhere ;) 16:46:20 <Maedhros> but neither ttd nor ttdpatch have an m7, so i don't think i need to touch it as far as the m7 patch foes 16:46:25 <Maedhros> -f+g 16:46:33 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 16:46:33 <Belugas> it can be done for sure... 16:46:38 <Belugas> i agree with Maedhros 16:46:46 <Darkvater> but you moved all house stuff to tile2.m7 so that needs updating no? 16:47:05 <Darkvater> eh 16:47:12 <Darkvater> that's a diff against the branch ;o 16:47:13 <Darkvater> lala 16:47:25 <Maedhros> :) 16:47:37 <Belugas> gadachek 16:48:38 <glx> Maedhros: bits moved from m5 to m7 hadn't been moved in oldloader yet 16:49:22 <Maedhros> oh 16:50:56 <Maedhros> i'd forgotten that we'd moved some old house related things too :-( 16:51:05 <glx> same for m3 :) 16:51:17 <Maedhros> and this wireless connection is really starting to annoy me now... 16:51:52 <Darkvater> glx: that won't really matter cause he has to fix these in AfterLoadGame anyways, which also happens for ttdp games 16:53:00 <DaleStan> Maedhros: TTDPatch currently has a total of eight landscape arrays. 16:53:51 <Maedhros> does it? i thought it had L1, L2, L3 (2 bits), L5, and L6... 16:54:00 <Darkvater> it has L7 for newhouses 16:54:05 <Darkvater> and planned L8 16:54:34 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:39 <DaleStan> L7 is also used by newindustries, and L8 exists, but nothing is stored in it yet. 16:54:42 <Maedhros> oh yeah, i meant to add L7 too 16:55:00 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 16:55:28 <Darkvater> DaleStan: and L7 for planned abandoned rail, planned build-year :) 16:55:39 <Darkvater> eh wait that's L8 16:55:43 <DaleStan> http://bytetransfer.de/projects/ttdpatch/docs/landscapeusage.html contains much UI. 16:55:45 <Darkvater> L7 is for one-way-roads 16:55:52 <hylje> :o 16:55:55 <hylje> one way roals! 16:55:55 <Darkvater> yeah, that's my reference :) 16:56:01 <hylje> roads!* 16:56:25 <Maedhros> ah, i hadn't seen that. thanks DaleStan :) 16:59:18 <Maedhros> grr, i need to sync newhouses before loading ttdpatch games in it 17:00:22 <Darkvater> < food 17:01:27 <Brianetta> NEW GAME on Brianetta's Standard 17:04:33 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: I'm gone, bye bye :)] 17:06:45 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:32 <stillunknown> Maedhros: two map arrays? 17:11:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's not much of a difference if you have an array of structs, or a struct of arrays 17:12:05 <Tron_> this depends heavily on the usage pattern 17:12:15 <Tron_> also you need N base pointers for N arrays 17:12:34 <Brianetta> There's no way to remove a newgrf form a runnign dedicated server, is there? 17:15:53 <glx> don't think so as the only way to remove newgrf from running games is the newgrf window 17:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, the actual "differences" heavily depend on the level of detail at which you observe 17:16:47 <stillunknown> Is newhouses in trunk? 17:16:53 <glx> not yet 17:17:26 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x5358b8c8.arcnxe1.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 17:17:49 <Maedhros> Tron_: what's your opinion on the m7 splitting off patch i posted above? 17:19:17 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:23:26 <Wolf01> hi 17:24:51 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 17:33:20 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CC8F.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:33:54 * Maedhros disappears for an hour or two 17:34:59 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [Quit: RichK67] 17:35:14 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2A37F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:32 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:29 <Wolf01> there's a way to disable the building on slopes? 17:42:57 <Wolf01> np found 17:43:00 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:36 <Wolf01> i'm too used to English which i didn't noticed it written in Italian 17:49:18 <peter1138> notice 17:50:18 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-232-180.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:50:20 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-232-180.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:51:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r8746 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: -Regression r8331: build train window could sort incorrectly by EngineID with certain newGRF sets 17:51:55 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:51:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:53:36 <Wolf01> hi Bjarni 17:57:26 <Bjarni> hi Wolf01 17:59:58 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C7F9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:00:54 <Digitalfox> Can branch 32bpp have a farm like newhouses, having builds available 2 times a week? 18:02:03 <Bjarni> technically yes, but why? 18:02:09 <Bjarni> AFAIK it's broken right now 18:02:24 <Bjarni> hence the need for a branch. It doesn't work all the time 18:02:36 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C7F9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:03:25 <Born_Acorn> and it'd encourage Sergeygraphics (TM) 18:04:04 <Born_Acorn> Which undermines the efforts to do it properly via extrapolationamifigigs from the 3d modelifications. 18:04:22 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:04:32 *** Tron_ [ZupauGrt@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:06:03 <Digitalfox> Bjarni: So we could get a new build every week and make some tests, but if it's broken.... Born_Acorn: sergey is a problem that will never go away, cause when 32bpp becames a reality in trunk it will still be the same problem.. :) 18:06:37 <Born_Acorn> At least until we get another complaint. 18:08:52 <Bjarni> well, it's currently hardcoded for 32 bit CPUs. I think there are other serious issues as well 18:09:06 <Bjarni> compiling a 64 bit binary will result in an error 18:10:03 <Digitalfox> Well i would just want a 32bit windows nighlty, but to be fair it should be for everybody, so ok i understand :) 18:12:30 <Bjarni> it's not only that 18:12:58 <Wolf01> if i set a route: B1 -> A1 -------> A2 -> B2 (A=aircraft and B=buses), how i can set the transfert orders? 18:13:20 <Bjarni> if we had a branch that only worked on MorphOS, we could make a weekly build based on it, but it's the other issues 18:13:30 <Bjarni> it's not that good right now 18:13:46 <Digitalfox> Bjarni: Ok 18:14:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> Wolf01: transfer is broken 18:14:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> it probably won't achieve what you want 18:15:08 <Wolf01> ah, ok, i was thinking that i was dumb... i never used transfer both ways 18:15:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> this setup will not work both ways 18:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> in order to work both ways, the airports have to accept passenger 18:16:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> then you set the buses to: B (load) -> A (transfer&leave empty) 18:16:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> and the planes without transfer 18:17:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> so the busses only bring people, not take them home 18:19:28 <Wolf01> i can wait until cargo packets.. maybe then the busses will know to don't load their own passengers 18:19:58 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:22:27 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-249-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:40 <dihedral> hi 18:23:05 <dihedral> have another question - not the same as yesterday though :-) 18:23:27 <dihedral> would this slow down the game a lot 18:23:29 <dihedral> void NetworkServerYearlyLoop(void) 18:23:30 <dihedral> { 18:23:32 <dihedral> NetworkCheckRestartMap(); 18:23:33 <dihedral> /* Execute script every year */ 18:23:35 <dihedral> IConsoleCmdExec("exec scripts/on_yearly.scr 0"); 18:23:36 <dihedral> } 18:27:27 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-249-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 18:28:24 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:22 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-249-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:31 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 18:34:47 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176100013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:35:50 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-189-98.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 18:47:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:51:50 *** TronBSD is now known as Tron 18:55:50 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:59:19 *** lolman_ [~lolman@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 18:59:24 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 18:59:28 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 19:02:34 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:03:37 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:37 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 19:06:01 *** waxman [cfluegel@88.198.62.74] has joined #openttd 19:09:06 *** lolman [~lolman@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:50 *** waxman [cfluegel@88.198.62.74] has quit [] 19:12:12 <dihedral> is there a way of dipslaying the current date of the game on the console? 19:13:48 *** waxman [cfluegel@88.198.62.74] has joined #openttd 19:15:27 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 19:16:36 *** waxman [cfluegel@88.198.62.74] has quit [] 19:17:47 <Sacro|Laptop> Brianetta: prod 19:19:00 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:19:22 <Wolf01> hi lolman 19:20:10 <lolman> Ello Wolf01 19:20:18 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CC8F.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:38 <Wolf01> mmmh i'm so bored :| 19:20:56 <lolman> I've been pratting about with this Linux install all day 19:24:08 <Sacro|Laptop> oh noes 19:24:13 <lolman> Indeed 19:24:17 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-226-49.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:24:47 <Sacro|Laptop> linux helf? 19:25:21 <hylje> :o 19:25:43 <lolman> helf? 19:25:46 <Wolf01> i want to repair my old desktop computer, but i have no components, no OS (i want ubuntu!!) and no time :| 19:26:16 <lolman> Wolf01, ubuntu is full of bloat, I had to recompile the kernel to get rid of it all :P 19:26:49 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-108-14.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:27:59 <lolman> (More accurately, I had to do a base install from the alternate cd, then recompile the kernel, then install xfce) 19:28:28 *** waxman [cfluegel@88.198.62.74] has joined #openttd 19:28:34 *** waxman [cfluegel@88.198.62.74] has quit [] 19:30:18 <Wolf01> one of my job partners have ubuntu on his laptop, and it works very well... except the 3d graphics, he did an update some days ago and now it hiccups 19:30:45 <lolman> Yeah, was a kernel update, ATI and nvidia drivers will have borked 19:31:29 <dihedral> lolman why did you not just get gentoo? 19:31:44 <lolman> dihedral, because I don't want to compile EVERYTHING 19:32:08 <Wolf01> and to resolve it he should wait for new graphics drivers? 19:32:10 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:32:12 <dihedral> you can get some already compiled stuff :-P 19:32:23 <Maedhros> openoffice and firefox :p 19:32:41 <lolman> Wolf01, actually...the drivers should have been updated too 19:33:24 <dihedral> question for you guys 19:33:30 <Wolf01> tomorrow we will look at it :P 19:34:46 <dihedral> would this in anyway make my gam unstable if only the server was patched with this? 19:34:48 <dihedral> void NetworkServerYearlyLoop(void) 19:34:50 <dihedral> { 19:34:51 <dihedral> NetworkCheckRestartMap(); 19:34:53 <dihedral> /* Execute script for, e.g. MOTD */ 19:34:54 <dihedral> IConsoleCmdExec("exec scripts/on_yearly.scr 0"); 19:34:56 <dihedral> } 19:36:50 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-108-14.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 19:36:59 <Belugas> not enough data to compute adequate answer dihedral 19:37:48 <Belugas> but i would say yes, as a wild guess 19:37:49 <dihedral> the line 19:37:51 <dihedral> IConsoleCmdExec("exec scripts/on_yearly.scr 0"); 19:37:53 <dihedral> is not origianlly in network_server.c 19:38:03 <Belugas> that, i figured out... 19:38:08 <dihedral> :-) 19:38:21 <peter1138> Belugas, any chance you could have a look at the newgrf/multihead problems? 19:38:28 <dihedral> i took source out of tags/0.5.0RC5 19:38:34 <Belugas> ? there is a problem ther? 19:38:43 <peter1138> yes 19:38:56 <Belugas> you told me already, didn't you? 19:39:04 <peter1138> engine sets multihead -> engine sets power -> engine is now single head 19:39:13 <peter1138> there was another but i sorted that 19:39:16 <Maedhros> dihedral: you're better off getting the trunk source code 19:39:21 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! 19:39:21 <dihedral> and for testing started the server, and connected with a client too 19:39:24 <Born_Acorn> Look everyone! 19:39:34 <Born_Acorn> It's peter1138, the gift from the newgrf gods! 19:39:40 <Born_Acorn> (at least until newhouses is made!( 19:39:43 <Born_Acorn> ) 19:39:51 <Belugas> peter1138, can you point me to a grf to test it? 19:39:59 <peter1138> Born_Acorn, please leave your message after the tone 19:40:02 <peter1138> Belugas: ukrs 19:40:03 <dihedral> i actually want to run it with the current stable - that is why i took the tags 19:40:17 <dihedral> so that RC5 clients can connect 19:40:19 <Belugas> ok peter1138, will put that on my todo for the weekend 19:40:25 <Belugas> or until we.. 19:40:33 <Born_Acorn> Hello, this is Julie from British Gas telling you that due to crappy service on our part, you've won a free yacht. 19:40:47 <peter1138> a yot 19:40:48 <peter1138> woo 19:41:05 <Born_Acorn> A Yoghurt Pacht 19:41:05 <Brianetta> Sacro|Laptop: hey 19:41:16 <Born_Acorn> hey there, don't bother me! 19:43:10 <Sacro|Laptop> Brianetta: now then 19:43:37 <Sacro|Laptop> Brianetta: someone wondered how to get the current game date from the console 19:45:08 <dihedral> was thinking the same thing this evening... 19:46:20 <Sacro|Laptop> dihedral: indeed... it was you who wondered, Brianetta seems ot be the best person for extracting thigns 19:47:17 <dihedral> overlookt the word 'someone' :-P 19:47:25 <dihedral> *overlooked 19:49:53 <egladil> does anybody here now icelandic? 19:49:57 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:49:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolfolo|AWAY))] 19:50:07 <egladil> if so, could you please tell me what sarpur means 19:51:31 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:51:35 <Wolf01> :| 19:51:38 <lolman> Wolf01, wb 19:53:53 <Wolf01> my isp have serious problems... three days of "now i can see you, now i can't"... the whole district phoned us today because they couldn't send and receive emails 19:54:27 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> egladil: scrooge is icelandic translator, i believe 19:57:45 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 19:57:50 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:57:58 <lolman> Oh noes 19:58:23 <egladil> ok 20:06:02 *** Bulb [~Bulb@145-119-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:08:39 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0EF5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:24 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0EE3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:12:47 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 20:16:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8747 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 20:16:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 20:16:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Make the encoding of accepted aircraft types of airports a bit more sensible and move the enum into struct AirportFTAClass 20:18:54 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:24:53 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:24:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolfolo|AWAY))] 20:25:18 *** KeeperOfTheSoul [~a@dyn-62-56-58-173.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [] 20:28:20 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:29:09 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:30:52 <dihedral> how recsouce hungry is autopilot? 20:32:23 <Tron> about one virgin per week. alternativly a goat per day seems to work, too 20:32:58 <Sacro> one virgin a week would suit me fine 20:33:14 <dihedral> wow - you guys are sad 20:34:16 <ln-_> i suppose most people here can get one virgin by week by counting themselves.. 20:35:17 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8748 /trunk/src/ (aircraft_cmd.cpp airport.cpp airport.h): 20:35:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 20:35:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Do not hardcode the airports with a short airstrip anymore, but make it a flag in AirportFTAClass 20:36:17 <Brianetta> autopilot isn't resource hungry 20:36:27 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:38:29 <dihedral> can the functionality of autopilot be added into openttd as a standard? 20:38:43 <Brianetta> Probably 20:39:03 <Brianetta> It's just a matter of programming it 20:39:10 <Brianetta> OpenTTD is written in C++ 20:39:19 <dihedral> yeah - picked up on that :-) 20:39:26 <dihedral> and autopilot in tcl 20:40:04 <dihedral> is it possible to send rcon commands to the server (and receive a response) from say a php script? 20:41:36 <hylje> feature request: roadstops should be able to replace a road bit the same way railroad waypoints 20:41:47 <hylje> in default config they can't be placed inside towns 20:42:40 <ln-_> feature requests are complete waste of time. 20:43:34 <Smoovious> if you can't place roadstops inside towns, what's the point? 20:44:23 <hylje> you can, but you need to set a magical patch option 20:44:50 * Smoovious frowns. 20:44:58 <Brianetta> PHP 20:44:59 <Brianetta> hmm 20:45:02 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 20:45:06 <Brianetta> THat's a tricky one 20:45:11 <Born_Acorn> Does rcon output chat lines? 20:45:19 <Brianetta> Born_Acorn: Configurable 20:45:20 <Smoovious> more fighting with the town rebuilding a road I just blew up then 20:45:36 <Born_Acorn> I remember one mod/games/thingy that had an IRC bot which would relay them into the admin channel 20:45:43 <Brianetta> Yeah 20:45:45 <dihedral> it would be great - looking at php rcon pages that do that for css or hl2 etc 20:45:46 <Brianetta> autopilot does that 20:45:54 *** peter1138 [~peter@217.151.109.201] has joined #openttd 20:45:56 <Wolf01> [21:24:48] Closing Link: host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it (Sorry, server is full - try later) <- O_O 20:46:06 <Born_Acorn> I was thinking of GTA:VCMP, but yes, I agree! ;p 20:46:19 <peter1138> I was thinking of... 20:46:19 <dihedral> do you run autopilot in screen ? 20:46:27 <Born_Acorn> So the admins could follow what was going on between noobs that don't know the admin calling commands 20:46:27 <Brianetta> I do, yes 20:46:45 <Brianetta> but some people don't 20:46:56 <Brianetta> and if you run it witht he GUI on, you can't really 20:47:11 <dihedral> and does it also read commands from stdin and output stuff to stdout 20:47:24 <Brianetta> That's how it works 20:47:34 <dihedral> i run dedicated - dont even have X on the server 20:47:34 <Brianetta> autopilot is an expect script 20:47:36 <Brianetta> I don't have X on mine 20:47:45 <Brianetta> but autopilot is bigger than just my own itch 20:47:50 <dihedral> never heard of expect to be honest 20:47:55 <dihedral> :-) 20:47:55 <peter1138> Bjarni, any idea when the build vehicle list will be fixed? 20:48:07 <Brianetta> Expect is completely fundamental to autopilot's ability to control the server 20:48:11 <dihedral> how about adding a named pipe to autopilot? 20:48:16 <Bjarni> !openttd commit 8746 20:48:22 <_42_> Commit by bjarni :: r8746 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp (2007-02-15 17:51:39 UTC) 20:48:24 <_42_> -Regression r8331: build train window could sort incorrectly by EngineID with certain newGRF sets 20:48:33 <peter1138> Bjarni, no, I mean the crashing bug. 20:48:36 <Brianetta> What do you mean, adding a named pipe? 20:48:47 <Bjarni> crashes? 20:48:48 <dihedral> mkfifo fibble 20:48:59 <peter1138> Yes. 20:49:03 *** KeeperOfTheSoul [~a@dyn-62-56-58-173.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:49:11 <Brianetta> I know what a named pipe is 20:49:11 <dihedral> and have expect read from fibble 20:49:18 <peter1138> Take one of your shiny merged build lists and resize it a few times... 20:49:18 <Brianetta> no 20:49:26 <Brianetta> expect is a PTY library 20:49:47 <Brianetta> If you could use a pipe why on Earth would you need Expect? 20:50:01 <dihedral> just asking :-) 20:50:30 <dihedral> i was thinking more along the lines of autopilot reading from the pipe, and forwarding it on 20:50:56 <dihedral> so that it was possible to send commands to the pipe OR write them directly to stdin 20:51:00 <Brianetta> right 20:51:05 <Brianetta> yes, that's possible 20:51:29 <Brianetta> You'd just need to open the file handle and set up an event handler for incoming data 20:52:35 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:54:21 <dihedral> autopilot with a mysql connection - does it open and close a connection for each action or does it keep one signle persistant connection? 20:54:22 <Brianetta> Do you have the SVN version of autopilot checked out? 20:54:29 <Brianetta> Persistent 20:54:32 <dihedral> nope - just the zip file 20:55:03 <dihedral> i alwasy prefer running no wrapper apps if possible 20:55:19 <dihedral> that is why i wanted to askk all these q's before :-) 20:55:26 <dihedral> *always 20:56:06 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C7F9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:56:51 <Brianetta> Well, if you don't want to run a wrapper app, you have a *load* of work on your hands. 20:57:02 <dihedral> :-) 20:57:05 <dihedral> true 20:57:32 <dihedral> i added execution of a monthley script to the 0.5.0RC5 tag in svn 20:58:09 <dihedral> so i can redirect output to a file, run clients and players and have php read that info 20:58:28 <dihedral> (and the yearly while i was at it) 20:58:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r8749 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: -Regression r8331: fixed signed/unsigned issue that could create too many lines in build vehicle windows and crash the game 20:59:04 <Bjarni> peter1138: quick enough? 20:59:18 * Bjarni thought he fixed that issue 20:59:33 <Bjarni> but it looks like I missed one line :s 21:01:02 <peter1138> well i'm a bit surprised that nobody else encountered the problem, to be honest 21:01:07 <dihedral> is there a way i can get hold of the current in-game date? 21:01:14 <dihedral> i tried outputing _date 21:01:23 <dihedral> gave me a segmentation fault :-P 21:01:34 <Maedhros> personally, i never resize the vehicle windows which is why i didn't notice 21:01:58 <Bjarni> <peter1138> well i'm a bit surprised that nobody else encountered the problem, to be honest <-- me too. All you needed to do was to resize the window to make it larger and then shrink it again 21:07:13 <dihedral> could someone to be an amazingly hudge favour and tell me if a certain occurance is a bug or just some bad players? 21:07:28 <dihedral> i have come across this 3 or 4 times now 21:08:02 <dihedral> random rail tracks missing 21:08:06 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 21:08:49 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:16 <dihedral> the tracks were there erlier on when i checked 21:09:18 <Brianetta> dihedral: Exactly what information from the game do you want on your web page? 21:09:42 <dihedral> name of current players and which company they are playing for 21:09:50 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:00 <dihedral> name of companies and money - loan - value 21:10:15 <dihedral> that is all i can get out at the moment 21:10:17 <Brianetta> You can get that with a UDP query 21:10:27 <dihedral> sweet 21:10:40 <Brianetta> /msg sarah_pilot players 21:11:06 <dihedral> 'm lost... 21:11:23 <dihedral> hehe 21:11:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80995.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:11:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:12:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 21:13:32 <Smoovious> dihedral... is the game set with disasters on? 21:13:42 <Born_Acorn> Best frieght trains setting with UKRS is? 21:14:11 <dihedral> yup 21:14:19 <dihedral> that would explain it 21:14:23 <Smoovious> watch out for landing UFO's 21:14:43 <Born_Acorn> Brianetta, you'll know! 21:14:52 <Born_Acorn> Running a server and all that whanots! 21:15:07 <peter1138> Born_Acorn, 500 million 21:15:36 <Born_Acorn> No, I need a serious number for my mega new serious game! 21:15:47 <peter1138> 2 or 3 21:16:05 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:19:17 <dihedral> what does this udp packet have to look like? 21:20:31 <Sacro> its about |<---------------------------------->| long 21:20:35 <Sacro> and its green 21:20:51 <peter1138> and fuzzy 21:22:50 <dihedral> i was more wondering about something like 21:22:52 <dihedral> chr (0xFF) . chr (0xFF) . chr (0xFF) . chr (0xFF) . chr (0x57) 21:23:51 <peter1138> so 21:24:00 <peter1138> i've decided to take my work back underground 21:24:21 <Brianetta> huh? 21:24:23 <Born_Acorn> Whats the console command for the random seed? 21:24:29 <Sacro> your going deeper underground? 21:24:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:50 <Brianetta> Born_Acorn: Anywhere from 1 to 5, depending on the average length of trains 21:24:55 <peter1138> to stop it from falling into the wrong hands 21:25:36 <Progman> dihedral: check the wiki, there are some informations about the package-format 21:25:59 <dihedral> cheers 21:27:01 <peter1138> heh, plural information 21:27:24 <Born_Acorn> hmm. I need the desktop computer for OpenTTD playage. 21:27:36 <Born_Acorn> Touchpad + Autorail = nightmare 21:27:39 <peter1138> lies 21:27:44 <peter1138> you just need a mouse 21:27:48 <Born_Acorn> yes 21:27:54 <Born_Acorn> on the desktop computer 21:28:06 <Born_Acorn> I can see the colours on that screen, too! 21:28:09 <dihedral> Received invalid packet type 115 from 127.0.0.1:34475 21:28:13 <dihedral> never mind 21:28:16 <peter1138> colours? 21:28:19 <peter1138> who needs colours? 21:28:37 <Born_Acorn> Me 21:28:39 <Born_Acorn> I need two. 21:28:44 <Belugas> we do not. We need colors 21:28:48 *** Turulo [~weed@84.77.155.224] has quit [Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared!] 21:28:59 <Born_Acorn> colors is a typo of dewm! 21:29:00 <peter1138> when i was a lad 21:29:07 <peter1138> all we had was amber 21:30:03 <peter1138> and it was slow 21:30:28 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-149-27.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:30:43 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-213.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:34:12 <Darkvater> peter1138: ping 21:34:30 <peter1138> and we didn't have pings 21:34:43 <peter1138> we had pong 21:35:13 <peter1138> oh lord vater 21:35:20 <peter1138> what is it that you require? 21:36:29 <Darkvater> one fresh virgin please 21:36:38 <Darkvater> I need to do my weekly sacrifice 21:36:50 <peter1138> ah, oh 21:36:55 <peter1138> that could be a problem 21:37:09 <Darkvater> hmpf 21:37:14 <Darkvater> then I'll settle for a question 21:37:29 <Belugas> could pickup Bjarni :) pretty virgin imho! 21:37:29 <peter1138> i don't have any of them 21:37:30 <Belugas> heheh 21:37:40 <hylje> what 21:37:41 <Darkvater> peter1138: your sdl-sound diff added functions for stop/start sound. Do you have any idea why that was? 21:37:48 <Darkvater> I see no point in that whatsoever 21:37:56 <Sacro> you want virgins? 21:38:07 <Sacro> ill go to the shop in a sec, see if i can find any 21:38:20 <peter1138> no idea 21:38:27 <peter1138> well it had start, and pause 21:38:27 <Darkvater> please, if you can, in some sauce 21:38:30 <peter1138> for, well, pausing 21:38:37 <Sacro> a saucy virgin? 21:38:37 <peter1138> and start for playing sounds 21:38:39 <Sacro> hmm... 21:38:40 <Darkvater> pausing a sound? 21:38:48 <peter1138> yeah, we have a pause button 21:38:58 <Darkvater> wonder how you wanted to pause a simple beep ;) 21:39:39 <peter1138> how? you stop playing it 21:39:48 <peter1138> why... who knows, maybe Born_Acorn 21:39:58 <Darkvater> he, by the time you do it it's already played ;) 21:40:35 <Darkvater> either way, I think I almost finished the directsound driver 21:40:44 <Darkvater> just have to make it stop leaking memory somehow ;p 21:41:05 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:04 <glx> Tron: r8747 breaks win32 compilation 21:46:50 <Darkvater> peter1138: another question ;p 21:47:46 <peter1138> you are only allowed one per day 21:47:51 <Darkvater> peter1138: by the time the sound gets to StartSound() it is already multiplied with the internal effect volume. What would you say of removing that and only doing it for waveout, current sdl sound. As with Directsound you can easily set the mastervolume and you don't want the pre-amp 21:47:59 <Darkvater> peter1138: :( 21:48:27 <peter1138> yes 21:48:37 <peter1138> does it matter either way? 21:49:30 <Darkvater> no not really, but if we can also set the master-volume trhough _sound_driver->set_volume() then you don't want the volume to be already pre-calced 21:51:40 <Born_Acorn> Newsounds have longer sounds 21:51:46 <Born_Acorn> speciafically the UKRS 21:51:51 <Born_Acorn> and AV8 21:52:05 <Darkvater> we can only pause music 21:52:07 <Darkvater> afaik 21:52:44 <Born_Acorn> The minimum volume should really mute the music 21:52:53 <Darkvater> it already does :) 21:52:54 <Born_Acorn> but you can still hear it. :p 21:52:56 <Darkvater> locally 21:55:11 <peter1138> locally 21:55:13 <peter1138> i am going 21:55:21 <peter1138> TO SWALLOW YOUR SOUL 21:55:45 <Darkvater> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 21:55:58 <hylje> i shall globally swallow your collective souls. 21:56:35 <Born_Acorn> I shall eat Darkvater's os 21:56:39 <Born_Acorn> "o"s 21:56:41 <Born_Acorn> not OS. 21:56:43 <Born_Acorn> :p 21:57:02 <peter1138> bai 21:57:05 <Born_Acorn> Darkvater'Os, the newest Breakfast Cereal from Acorn Industries. 21:58:58 <Born_Acorn> hyljebran cereal. 21:59:24 <peter1138> exceedingly good brakes 22:00:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8750 /trunk/src/ (ai/default/default.cpp aircraft_cmd.cpp airport.h): -Fix (r8747): PLANES defined in wingdi.h caused compilation error under Win32. Changed to AIRPLANES 22:00:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8751 /trunk/src/lang/czech.txt: -Fix [lang]: deleted .news and .subs strings causing lang compilation error 22:01:06 <Darkvater> he, MiHaMeK didn't fix these today? 22:01:37 <KUDr> dunno 22:02:54 <Darkvater> well apparently 22:03:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r8752 /trunk/docs/landscape.html: 22:03:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Cleanup: Reformat, re-arrange, correct tag errors on landscape.html. 22:03:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: No addition nor correction on actual data 22:04:11 <Born_Acorn> Ooh, we angered Matrix666lbs criticisms 22:05:03 <Darkvater> ah CRAP 22:05:30 <Darkvater> if I set the volume on the primary directsound buffer it also sets the volume of the directmusic device 22:05:34 <Darkvater> :s 22:05:48 <Born_Acorn> Darkvater, DirextX10 compatibility! :p 22:06:13 <Born_Acorn> Use the newest shaders and quadriple buffering effects! 22:07:01 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 22:07:02 <Darkvater> this sucks 22:07:23 * Desolator says hello 22:07:35 *** Netsplit saturn.oftc.net <-> osmotic.oftc.net quits: BFM, Frostregen, XeryusTC, Brianetta, Wolfy, orudge, egladil, +michi_cc, KUDr, guru3, (+16 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:07:38 *** Netsplit saturn.oftc.net <-> osmotic.oftc.net quits: Darkvater, Eddi|zuHause3, eQualizer, coronel, Triffid_Hunter, setrodox, Ailure, ThePizzaKing, stillunknown, DaleStan, (+43 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:07:56 *** Netsplit over, joins: hylje, GoneWacko, Tefad, Roel, Desolator, ThePizzaKing, BFM, +tokai, Digitalfox, KeeperOfTheSoul (+69 more) 22:07:59 <Desolator> ?! 22:08:02 <Born_Acorn> Whatever happened to progress on Custombridgeheads? 22:08:14 <Born_Acorn> Desolator, It's called a netsplit. 22:08:25 <Desolator> never heard of that? 22:08:26 <Born_Acorn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit 22:08:31 <Desolator> *reads* 22:08:41 <peter1138> i am not here 22:08:51 *** peter1138 [~peter@217.151.109.201] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:10:37 <Desolator> intereting... 22:12:09 <hylje> +s 22:27:24 <Desolator> hmm...latest INFRA set by SAC doesn't work in latest revesion (compiled myself with VC+ 2005) 22:27:38 <Desolator> any ideas why? 22:28:00 <Darkvater> what set? 22:28:18 <Desolator> infra_landscapew.grf 22:28:28 <Darkvater> oh? why doesn't it 22:28:34 <Desolator> no idea 22:28:42 <Desolator> it makes no change 22:28:44 <Darkvater> it's only a few simple gfx replacements 22:28:55 <Desolator> and it's the lowest on the list 22:29:28 <Desolator> maybe because i use the us roads set nad custom bridges and other stuff? though no idea why the rail doesn't change 22:29:41 * Desolator zips up my folder to give it to darkvater 22:29:58 <Darkvater> eh 22:30:03 <Darkvater> infra landscape doesn't change rails 22:30:06 *** lolman [~lolman@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 22:30:22 <Desolator> oh...didnt read everything, that topic is bloody long 22:30:41 <Desolator> though it changes roads & tunnels, or what? 22:31:39 <Darkvater> use grfcodec 22:32:09 <Desolator> i have no idea about grfs 22:32:39 <Darkvater> grfcodec -d p2 infra_landscapew.grf 22:32:43 <Darkvater> and open the pcx file 22:32:59 * Desolator searches fo r grfcodec 22:33:01 <Desolator> *for 22:35:09 <Desolator> Error opening p2: no such file or directory 22:35:16 <Desolator> wrong sintax? 22:36:40 <glx> -p2 22:37:46 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176100013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:38:02 <Desolator> thanks...now I see what it changes 22:38:09 <Desolator> well, I gotta go to bed 22:38:17 <Desolator> see ya, thanks again guys 22:38:23 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [Quit: bye] 22:42:51 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-149-27.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 22:49:28 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 22:50:33 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [] 22:50:45 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:25 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:20 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [] 22:55:03 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:21 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:59:32 <Bjarni> <Belugas> could pickup Bjarni :) pretty virgin imho! <-- for all you know, I could be returning from a girl's bed right now :P 23:01:51 <Sacro> Bjarni: get bored of waiting for her? 23:02:06 <Bjarni> LOL 23:02:11 <Digitalfox> Sacro: LOL 23:02:50 <Sacro> at least im not a virgin :p 23:03:45 <Bjarni> everybody can screw mentally ill people 23:04:46 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06:58 <Sacro> oooooh 23:11:05 <Bjarni> night 23:11:06 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:23:31 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:27:45 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:29:19 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498E877.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:30:00 *** scrooge [~balli@dsl-149-96-155.hive.is] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:34:09 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D857.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:39:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E282.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:08 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-249-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 23:40:22 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: bye, Im going off] 23:51:32 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]