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00:05:14 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-157-084.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:05:32 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:43 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-160-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:53 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 00:13:23 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@84-72-112-171.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 00:16:02 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5C6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8869 /trunk/src/yapf/ (6 files): [YAPF] -Fix: Large Train Stations/Trains makes OpenTTD crash (Jigsaw_Psyche) 00:20:26 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21:35 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: ping 00:21:43 <KUDr> pong 00:22:03 <Darkvater> was that problem introduced recently or does it exist in 0.5 branch? 00:22:16 <KUDr> hmm 00:22:32 <KUDr> probably needs backport 00:22:56 <Darkvater> could you be a darling and check it for me? :) 00:23:19 <KUDr> means reproduce in RC5? 00:23:34 <Darkvater> yes 00:23:39 <KUDr> ok 00:25:38 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 00:27:47 <Sacro> oh noes 00:30:09 <KUDr> Darkvater: same assert 00:30:21 <Darkvater> ok, so backportage 00:30:34 <KUDr> yes 00:30:38 <KUDr> would be better 00:31:30 <KUDr> although it is only wrong cost calculation (not dangerous) 00:32:24 <Darkvater> ok I'll see how backportable it is then 00:33:10 <KUDr> i can do it, if you want... 00:33:27 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-216.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D94F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:33 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-100-226.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:38:42 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:00 <Sacro> oh yes 00:41:17 *** coronel [andreabl@login1.powertech.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:52 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-216.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:45:41 <izhirahider> removing airports makes openttd crash 00:50:01 *** coronel [andreabl@login1.powertech.no] has joined #openttd 00:52:29 <Darkvater> baah 00:52:38 <Darkvater> backporting through this CPP mess sucks :s 00:54:14 <KUDr> hmm, yapf didn't change much 00:54:53 <Darkvater> it's not yapf :) 00:54:58 <KUDr> aha 00:57:54 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:01:11 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Server closed connection] 01:01:27 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 01:01:40 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:02:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8870 /branches/0.5/ (oldloader.c openttd.c settings.c station_cmd.c vehicle.c): 01:02:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r8684, r8709, r8738, r8777, r8828): 01:02:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Bool (uint32 in PPC) was written to as a uint8 (r8684) 01:02:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix a problem where loading times for overhanging trains are miscomputed (r8709) 01:02:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Load newer TTDP games (update coastal tiles) (r8738) 01:02:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Cloning unaware of articulated locomotives that could refit without refitting the front unit (r8777) 01:02:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Load station rectangle for all savegames, not only after version 27 (r8828) 01:05:03 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:05:16 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 01:06:00 <glx> Darkvater: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/WM_KEYDOWN.diff <-- it handles all possible results 01:10:35 *** nfc [~nfc@dsl-hvkgw1-fe65fa00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 01:10:47 *** nfc [~nfc@dsl-hvkgw1-fe65fa00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 01:14:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8871 /branches/0.5/ (openttd.c order_cmd.c station_cmd.c viewport.c): 01:14:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r8689, r8794, r8802, r8808): 01:14:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Crash when an old savegame had buoys on the northern edge of the map (r8689) 01:14:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - It was possible to take over buoys by building a station next to them (r8794) 01:14:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Adhere order types for ship order insertion to determine destination type (r8802) 01:15:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Do not show the 'edit sign' window for spectators (r8808) 01:16:38 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:21:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8872 /branches/0.5/ (fios.c fios.h newgrf_config.c strings.c win32.c): 01:21:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r8784, r8821, r8823, r8824): 01:21:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Unable to load TTDP (on *NIX) games (r8784) 01:21:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Unable to browse directories on *nix if the filesystem is not in UTF-8 charset and special characters are used (r8821, r8823, r8824) 01:29:18 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:38:05 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 01:38:05 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8873 /branches/0.5/yapf/ (6 files): 01:40:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r8766, r8836, r8869): 01:40:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Rail station platform penalty not calculated properly (r8766) 01:40:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Don't tell destination was found if it was only guessed (r8836) 01:40:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Large Train Stations/Trains causes assert due to wrong cost calculation (r8869) 01:40:36 <Eddi|zuHause> backport spree at this hour... 01:47:29 <Darkvater> so much for tonight 01:47:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8874 /branches/0.5/ (newgrf_engine.c order_gui.c vehicle.c): 01:47:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r8744, r8685): 01:47:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Call GetFirstVehicleInChain only for trains thus increasing performance in large games (r8744) 01:47:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - (Feature) Selecting "end of orders" and deleting will delete all the vehicle's orders (in unshared mode, shared is unchanged) (r8685) 01:48:26 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:49:26 <Darkvater> glx: your machine is offline? 01:49:31 <glx> no 01:49:31 <Darkvater> eh nvm 01:49:36 <glx> not yet 01:49:51 <glx> when I'll go to sleep it will though 01:50:24 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 01:50:40 <Darkvater> now that's an ugly if 01:50:50 <Darkvater> at least switch-case all return values of ToUnicode 01:51:23 <Darkvater> and don't you need to run the whole MapWindowsKey(wparam), console etc thing? 01:52:05 <Darkvater> what happened to WM_UNICHAR? :) 01:52:10 <Darkvater> but tomorrow 01:52:11 <Darkvater> gn all 01:52:20 <glx> WM_UNICHAR is not available in mingw :) 01:52:38 <glx> and WM_CHAR returns only ascii 02:30:27 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:43 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B759A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:32:31 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 02:38:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:53:29 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:06 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 03:02:34 *** Arkus [~danielark@82.152.149.14] has quit [] 03:10:46 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18:22 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:19:31 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D753.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:31:16 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:42:57 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 04:43:46 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 04:51:01 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:53:31 *** blove [~blove@pool-71-246-12-158.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:55:12 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:57:48 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 05:01:33 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:01:45 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 05:12:21 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:14:38 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:18:28 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 05:20:03 *** blove [~blove@pool-71-246-12-158.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 05:20:12 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:20:29 *** blove [~blove@enedwaith.kylimar.com] has joined #openttd 05:21:49 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D753.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:28:53 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 05:29:40 *** blove [~blove@enedwaith.kylimar.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:30:53 *** blove [~blove@enedwaith.kylimar.com] has joined #openttd 05:32:52 *** waxman_ [~cfluegel@static.88-198-83-123.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:33:48 *** waxman [~cfluegel@static.88-198-83-123.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openttd 05:58:39 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:24:10 *** blove [~blove@enedwaith.kylimar.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:24:28 *** blove [~blove@enedwaith.kylimar.com] has joined #openttd 06:36:32 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-165-54.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:37:19 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:38:14 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 06:46:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8875 /trunk/src/ (5 files): 06:46:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 06:46:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Remove unnecessary EnsureNoVehicle() checks because they are 06:46:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - pointless per se (f.e. there are no vehicles on house tiles) 06:46:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - done again (f.e. using CMD_LANDSCAPE_CLEAR just a few lines later) 06:47:49 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-165-54.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:50:55 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F93B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:56:27 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489EB87.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:35:00 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 07:38:13 <Desolator> Hi people 07:38:57 <Desolator> I'm making an application for new users to automate the installation of OTTD, without any need to copy the graphic files manually. 07:44:05 <ThePizzaKing> I thought the windows installer already did that 07:46:32 <Desolator> yes, but you need to download TTD 07:47:09 <ThePizzaKing> ah, so you mean a program that's going to download them automatically? 07:47:10 <Desolator> this will just do everything, and I'll make it later to support nightlies and other, stuff 07:47:12 <Desolator> yes 07:47:17 <ThePizzaKing> cool 07:47:31 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:47:48 <Desolator> you just need to click 2 buttons to download them, to prevent conflict between downloads (I don't know how to make it download 2 files at the same time without complex coding) 07:48:19 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D753.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:48:38 <Desolator> it will also create a cgf file for the stable versions (that's RC too) with more useful patches enabled 07:49:10 <Desolator> tomorrow, I'll make it possible to download & install newgrfs, with the permission of the artists 07:49:22 <ThePizzaKing> sounds handy 07:52:08 <Desolator> yeah 07:52:24 <Desolator> I might make it for TTDP too, but that's on the bottom of the list XD 07:52:56 <Desolator> because TTDP needs the whole game, this installer doesn't have much to automate 07:53:39 *** roboboy__ [~leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:53:48 *** roboboy__ [~leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:55:52 <Desolator> and it will give you the option to install a font used in this app, if you don't want, it'll be removed when you quit 08:03:06 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 08:11:32 *** SwordFish [~asd@84-50-236-142-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 08:32:21 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 08:37:53 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:37:53 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:37:53 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:38:08 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:43:31 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x503e7be9.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:49:11 <Maedhros> is it just me, or does automatically downloading copyrighted files *not* seem like a good idea? 08:49:49 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 08:50:22 <peter1138> ...? 08:50:29 <peter1138> like windows updates? 08:51:37 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:51:51 <Maedhros> i meant Desolator's plan to download TTD automatically, but ok :p 08:52:10 <Maedhros> i concede that i wasn't exactly specific :) 08:54:56 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:54 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:02:42 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:06:16 <blathijs> Maedhros: It is not just you 09:13:40 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 09:13:50 <Desolator> OTTDown is completed! 09:14:22 <Tefad> huh? 09:15:25 <blathijs> Desolator: It might not be the best idea, though. Legally that is 09:15:30 <Desolator> an installer that automates everything needed to install OTTD 09:15:55 <peter1138> what's so hard about downloading openttd? 09:16:13 <Desolator> you also need the graphic files, you know 09:16:20 <peter1138> from your cd, yes 09:16:30 <peter1138> and openttd's installer already handles that, iirc 09:16:44 <Desolator> what if they don't have TTD already? 09:16:55 <peter1138> then they can't play openttd 09:17:48 <Tefad> yup. members only. sorries. 09:17:52 <Tefad> ; ) 09:18:01 <Desolator> there are a lot of people on dial-up, and TTD is ~10 MB, this whole thing is half. Also, there are many people new who can't understand exactly what to do 09:18:12 <Desolator> They are used to pressing next all the time 09:18:25 <Tefad> do we really want 'those people' playing ottd? 09:18:30 <Tefad> think about it ; ) 09:19:11 <Desolator> you know what, that's kinda discrimination 09:19:28 <Tefad> awwww 09:19:30 <Desolator> and it's not illegall for newbies to play a game 09:19:36 <Tefad> only for the ignorant 09:19:38 <peter1138> it is illegal for them to download it 09:19:53 <Desolator> it's illegal to download OTTD? how come? 09:20:00 <peter1138> no, it's illegal to download TTD 09:20:01 <roboboy> no ttd 09:20:08 <peter1138> including the data files 09:20:10 <roboboy> what peter1138 said 09:20:43 <Desolator> that is abandomware, it means that even though someone holds the copyright, they don't care anymore about it, possibly because it's old 09:20:55 <roboboy> would having openttd and the patch runing on a windows version be illegal if I gave my cousins dos cd back to them 09:20:59 <Desolator> just like with windows 98, M$ doesn't care anymore about it 09:21:11 <Tefad> ugh 09:21:14 <peter1138> roboboy: yes 09:21:20 <roboboy> but abandonware doesnt officially exist 09:21:27 <roboboy> so I shall keep it 09:21:28 <peter1138> Desolator: bzzt, "abandonware" is not a legal argument 09:21:57 <Tefad> has anyone found out who owns the rights to ttd? 09:22:11 <roboboy> we think its atari 09:22:18 <Rubidium> Desolator: if the BSA comes to your company and you have 1000 PCs with Windows 95 and no licenses, it will give you a fine 09:22:43 <Tefad> has anyone written atari? 09:22:49 <roboboy> but isnt that for the dos version of ttd? 09:23:07 <Desolator> I think it's fishuk for win, not sure 09:23:13 <roboboy> yeah and they cant be bothered to look 09:23:14 <peter1138> Tefad: yes 09:23:18 <roboboy> fish uk is bust 09:23:43 <roboboy> so that complicates things for the win ttd code 09:24:01 <Tefad> i think fish uk just ported it eh? 09:24:09 <roboboy> yeah 09:24:16 <Tefad> i don't think purchased rights to the game 09:24:26 <Tefad> +they 09:24:27 <Desolator> neither i do, though it's possible 09:24:42 <roboboy> but do they own all the code in there port or do they only own the code they changed 09:25:01 <Tefad> code != graphics/sound eh? 09:25:30 <Rubidium> they changed some of the graphics too 09:25:33 <Desolator> no, that is separate 09:25:46 <roboboy> and everyhing else they changed 09:25:49 <Rubidium> well, added would be more correct I guess 09:25:53 <Desolator> but the graphics are changed a little, and sound is included by them 09:27:04 <Desolator> ok, about the legality of OTTDown, is this legal: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/nr-ttd/get/nr-ttd_latest.zip ? 09:27:14 <Desolator> if that is, then ottdown is too 09:28:51 <Maedhros> that doesn't seem to provide the graphics files, so yes it is 09:28:53 <Desolator> yeah, i know it's better to buy ttd, but what about people who can't buy it? 09:29:01 <Maedhros> if ottdown does, then it isn't 09:29:28 <peter1138> what about people who can't buy windows vista? 09:29:35 <Desolator> can i ask how can ttdp run without the original files from ttd, including the graphic files? 09:29:49 <Maedhros> it doesn't 09:29:56 <Desolator> hmm...i gotta check that 09:29:58 <Rubidium> peter1138: they can't buy a computer new enough to run it ;) 09:30:07 <peter1138> :) 09:30:15 <Desolator> or stick with xp 09:30:22 <peter1138> The way the installer works is the following: 09:30:23 <peter1138> 1. Shows you what proxy would be used, and asks if you want to change it. If yes, run the proxy manager 09:30:25 <peter1138> 2. Checks to see if gamegfx.exe exists, if it doesn't , it downloads and extracts a zip file with TTD 09:30:28 <peter1138> 2. Checks to see if ttdpatchw.exe exists, if not, downloads and extracts latestw.zip from ttdpatch.net 09:30:35 <peter1138> so yeah, that's dodgy too ;p 09:31:50 <Desolator> well, even if ottd is totally legal isn't a sure thing, since it replicates ttd... 09:32:10 <Desolator> should we ask Mr. Chris Sawyer if he minds? 09:32:16 <peter1138> two wrongs make a right? :) 09:32:39 <Desolator> maybe? :D 09:32:42 <Zavior> Hasn't this been discussed 100+28^9 times already :p 09:32:56 <Desolator> no, 100+28^9 + 1 09:34:24 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> neutron.oftc.net quits: MiHaMeK, Darkvater, Twofish 09:34:32 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 09:34:51 *** Netsplit over, joins: Darkvater 09:34:56 *** Netsplit over, joins: Twofish 09:34:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 09:35:49 <blathijs> Desolator: The point is, it is illegal to download ttd datafiles 09:36:10 <blathijs> Even when nobody cares enough to sue you for it, ("abandonware") it is still illegal 09:37:54 <lolman> What a topic for me to walk into...lol 09:37:57 <blathijs> Desolator: So I'm not saying OTTDown is a bad idea, but the OpenTTD project will probably not distribute it 09:38:20 <blathijs> Desolator: For we care to be on the legal side, as a project 09:39:44 <lolman> Of course if St. Chris then public domain'd the files then it would be ok ;-) 09:40:22 <blathijs> Not really 09:40:53 <blathijs> St. Chris doesn't own any legal right to TTD anymore 09:41:22 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 09:41:37 * lolman needs to read up more :P 09:42:13 <Desolator> then who owns? 09:42:41 <blathijs> unsure, nobody actually claims they own it AFAIK 09:42:42 <Desolator> and I don't need you (the devs) to distribute it, I'll keep it running 09:42:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8876 /trunk/src/ (6 files): 09:42:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 09:42:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Replace tests with magic numbers by a simple extraction template for command parameters 09:42:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:43:08 <Desolator> all the files it downloads are on my server 09:43:18 <Tron> Desolator: we don't need you here, either 09:43:28 <Desolator> I know 09:43:32 <Desolator> I'm a guest 09:43:40 <blathijs> 10:19 < Desolator> you know what, that's kinda discrimination <-- more like natural selection, I'd say 09:43:57 <blathijs> unless you wanna accuse mother nature of discrimination, too? :-p 09:43:57 <Desolator> whatever 09:44:04 <Desolator> still not fair 09:45:36 <blathijs> but anyway, your app is probably useful for a lot of people, so I'm curious as to how it will be received by the users 09:45:58 <Desolator> i'm uplading it 09:46:01 <Desolator> it's works fine 09:46:07 <blathijs> but I'm off now, cya! 09:46:14 <Desolator> bye 09:47:40 <peter1138> yeah 09:47:44 <peter1138> i thought it was funny 09:48:01 <peter1138> when the church said they were being discriminated against 09:48:18 <peter1138> because they were told they couldn't discriminate against gays 09:48:50 <Desolator> http://www.playmenow.org/OTTD/OTTDown.exe Done 09:49:02 <Desolator> peter, I'd love you to check it 09:49:33 <Tron> does it download TTD? 09:49:42 <peter1138> i'm not running windows, so i can't 09:50:00 <Desolator> it downloads ottd rc5, the graphic files and (optionaly) the music 09:50:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Tron] by ChanServ 09:50:11 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@86.126.43.*] by Tron 09:50:11 *** Desolator was kicked from #openttd by Tron [Desolator] 09:50:27 <lolman> Owned... 09:50:58 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@86.126.43.*] by Tron 09:51:17 *** mode/#openttd [-o Tron] by Tron 09:54:13 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 09:54:18 <Desolator> May I ask why? 09:55:32 <Tron> are you really that ignorant? 09:55:54 <Tron> which part of "do not download TTD" did you not understand? 09:56:20 <Desolator> all 09:56:49 <lolman> Desolator: it's illegal, just because noone is enforcing it doesn't make it any less so 09:58:57 <Desolator> but wo owns the copyright? 09:58:59 <Desolator> *who 09:59:16 <Tefad> Desolator: you're not going to get anywhere in this channel. 09:59:42 <lolman> Noone is claiming it, although there is an owner...whether they are claiming it or not it is still illegal to download copyrighted materials 09:59:47 <Tefad> mainly because no one in here cares. the project will most likely not endorse your stuffs. 10:01:56 <lolman> If you are to distribute your program, I suggest you put a warning in it saying it violates copyright 10:02:20 <Tefad> well, the user does so by controlling the program 10:02:31 <Desolator> good idea 10:02:39 <lolman> Yes, but there is no warning at all, Tefad 10:02:54 <lolman> And Desolator, I also advise you don't post another link to it ;-) 10:02:55 <Tefad> "BY USING THIS PROGRAM, YOU ARE VIOLATING COPYRIGHT LAW" bla bla bla 10:03:48 <lolman> Of course I couldn't do anything if you did, but am sure others would 10:04:28 <Desolator> "Keep in mind that by using this program you are violating the copyright law. In order to get TTD data fiels legally, you must purchase it." 10:04:31 <Tefad> you could probably try poking around on the forums. 10:04:31 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:04:41 <Tefad> ffeslieilseiss 10:04:42 <Desolator> how is that? 10:05:41 <lolman> Just a typo on files 10:07:10 <Desolator> By using this program you agree that you are violating the copyright law. In order to get the Transport Tycoon Deluxe graphic files and music legally, you must purchase it. 10:07:51 <lolman> I still say it's a bad idea even distributing the program to download it... 10:08:34 <Desolator> well, this is the ottd versino of nr-ttd 10:08:38 <Smoovious> "By using this program, you may be violating copyright law, depending on the copyright laws in your town. etc etc 10:08:38 <Desolator> *version 10:09:18 <Desolator> By using this program you agree that you may be violating the copyright law in your country. In order to get the Transport Tycoon Deluxe graphic files and music legally, you must purchase it. 10:09:21 <Smoovious> "By using this program, you may be violating local copyright laws. ... .. ." 10:10:15 <Smoovious> ". .. ... and if you're downloading in one of those locales, be advised we're logging your IP, and as soon as our trace is completed, one of our, ah, 'associates', will be by directly to collect their protection money. Servers cost money, ya know..." 10:10:50 <Desolator> lol 10:11:19 <Desolator> yeah, i'm logging all connection to my domain, so ips ae logged 10:11:42 <Smoovious> btw, I totally disagree with automating everything for the ignorant... our societies continually try to hammer the learning curve down until it is flat for everyone, and it is not a good thing for the growth of said society... 10:11:43 <lolman> I think that was a joke... 10:11:53 <Smoovious> let people learn and grow and find the support files for itself 10:12:05 <Smoovious> itself=themselves 10:12:32 <Desolator> "By using this program, you may be violating the local copyright laws in your country. In order to get the Transport Tycoon Deluxe graphic files and music legally, you must purchase it." with a big exclamatino mark near it 10:13:00 <Desolator> when I mean big, I mean about the size of 72pt arial exclamationn mark 10:13:10 <Roel> and do not select I agree by default.. 10:13:41 <Desolator> uh...i gotta make a screen like that? I just sticked it on the main page. 10:13:47 <Desolator> me thinks 10:14:03 <peter1138> "sticked" is not a word 10:14:15 <hylje> stuck 10:14:15 <Roel> i think you should.. it still doesn't hold up in court, but it's something.. 10:14:33 <Desolator> "By using this program, you may be violating the local copyright laws in your country. In order to get the Transport Tycoon Deluxe graphic files and music legally, you must purchase it. If you do not agree, please close this application." 10:14:50 <peter1138> s/may/are/ 10:14:55 <Desolator> maybe include a dialog box to ask? 10:15:01 <Tron> how about you stop right now or the next ban is longer than a minute 10:15:01 <Smoovious> <clicks 'I agree'>... <clicks 'yes, I'm sure'>... <clicks 'yes, I realize it is illegal'>... <clicks 'no, I don't care'>... <clicks 'I mean it, download them now'>... <clicks 'listen you POS computer, I'm sure that I'm sure, now download them already'>... <clicks 'no, I don't like chess, I wanna play OTTD'>... <clicks 'I'm getting pissed now, computer'>... .. . 10:15:23 <Desolator> LOL! 10:15:28 * lolman clicks ignore 10:16:02 <Smoovious> not only that, but the disclaimer you're adding, would demonstrate to a court you knowingly facilitated violating copyright, and would be even more guilty... 10:17:24 <lolman> And since the files are on your server, you'd get nailed for distribution too... 10:17:31 * Smoovious nods. 10:17:59 <Smoovious> the copyright holder may just decide to go after you anyways, since you're making such an oviously easy mark of yourself... 10:18:00 <Desolator> Hmm... 10:18:00 <Tefad> sounds like a bucket of fun. 10:18:11 <Smoovious> almost like you're double-dog-daring them to sue you 10:18:36 <Desolator> then what should I do? 10:18:43 <Tron> stop, now, all of you 10:18:50 <Desolator> Alright 10:18:54 <Tron> you won't get anywhere here 10:19:02 <Smoovious> shelve it... people intelligent enough will find what they need, and if they aren't intelligent enough, I don't wanna play against em anyways 10:19:11 * Smoovious nods to Tron. 10:19:21 * lolman nods and keeps schtum 10:20:10 <Smoovious> speaking of grf files tho... anyone know how far along the project for a completely open replacement for them is going? 10:20:13 <Tefad> what about bollocks? 10:20:31 * lolman sighs 10:20:40 <lolman> Read it again, Tefad 10:20:51 * Smoovious hopes that is sufficiently off the previous topic that he doesn't get banned. 10:21:41 <Tron> Smoovious: nobody cared enough to compile a complete set so far 10:21:51 * Smoovious frowns. 10:23:04 <Desolator> btw, where should I report typos in translation? because on the news message of a coal shaft collapssing (in romanian) it said "...of the copper mine..." instead of "...of the coal mine..."? 10:23:29 <Tefad> read the topic eh? 10:23:46 <Tefad> or do you not understand wildcard replacement 10:25:50 <Tron> -STR_B005_COAL_MINE_SUBSIDENCE_LEAVES :{BLACK}{BIGFONT}Prãbusirea unei mine de cupru lângã {TOWN} provoacã daune majore! 10:25:50 <Tron> +STR_B005_COAL_MINE_SUBSIDENCE_LEAVES :{BLACK}{BIGFONT}Prãbusirea unei mine de cãrbune lângã {TOWN} provoacã daune majore! 10:25:50 <Tron> ? 10:26:03 <Desolator> yes 10:26:16 <Desolator> there's no copper mine in temperate 10:26:16 <Tron> is this gramatically correct? 10:26:37 <Desolator> yes 10:26:38 <Desolator> also, instead of "tone" it says tones 10:27:15 <Tron> STR_UNITS_WEIGHT_LONG_METRIC :{COMMA} tone{P "" s} 10:27:21 <Desolator> "20 tones de carbune..." 10:27:23 <Tron> the plural form is wrong? 10:27:40 <Desolator> yes, singular = "tonã", plural = "tone" 10:28:07 <Tron> STR_UNITS_WEIGHT_LONG_IMPERIAL :{COMMA} tone imperiale{P "" s} 10:28:09 <Tron> and this one? 10:28:16 <Desolator> yes 10:28:24 <Tron> yes what? 10:28:27 <Tron> is this correct? 10:28:41 <Desolator> "tonã imperialã" & "tone imperiale" is correct 10:28:47 <Desolator> (sg/pl) 10:29:08 <Tron> a with dash above? 10:29:17 <Desolator> ? 10:29:22 <Tron> the letter 10:29:28 <Tron> ton<a with dash above> 10:29:32 <Desolator> yes 10:29:46 <Tron> STR_UNITS_VOLUME_LONG_IMPERIAL :{COMMA} galoane{P "" s} 10:29:46 <Tefad> heh, i see greek pi here. though i am in a text console 10:29:46 <Tron> STR_UNITS_VOLUME_LONG_METRIC :{COMMA} litri{P "" s} 10:29:49 <Tron> these are correct? 10:29:52 <Desolator> yes 10:30:03 <Tefad> gentoo needs to hurry up and emerge itself a desktop. 10:32:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 10:41:51 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 10:44:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FDE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:45:03 <Tefad> progman sounds like oldschool windows. 10:46:46 <Smoovious> at least you could set the running priority of the program with progman... with more resolution than just high, above normal, normal, below normal, etc.. 10:47:00 <Smoovious> (oldschool windows progman that is) 10:47:47 <Progman> ? 10:48:56 <Tefad> PROGMAN.EXE 10:48:59 <Tefad> ; ) 10:49:41 <peter1138> the days before explorer 10:49:44 <Progman> I know 10:50:42 <Smoovious> before the windows assimilation of our computers... back when windows was still just an application 10:51:13 <Tefad> heh 10:51:27 <Tefad> except my machines aren't assimilated 10:51:36 <Smoovious> I still remember my feelings of disgust the first time I realized just how much Win95 tried to take over... 10:51:39 <Tefad> except by the GPL . . . 10:52:08 <Tefad> i was happy to see DOS bite the dust, in some aspects 10:52:21 <Smoovious> had to go out of my way to get it to continue to just boot up in DOS by default 10:52:39 <Tefad> while the OS itself was very lightweight, it was very kludgey to get things to fit into memory. (drivers, etc) 10:52:41 <Smoovious> at the time, windows was just something I went into only occasionally 10:53:27 <Smoovious> yeah, but that isn't so much the fault of DOS itself... they could have updated it to handle memory better if they kept developing it, but by then, it was already planned to just kill it and not even bother 10:53:48 <Tefad> heh, even current implementations of DOS have problems 10:53:58 <Tefad> conventional memory is a PITA 10:54:27 <Tefad> try to abstract it, and some programs freak out 10:54:36 <Smoovious> yeah... and I chalk that more up to the whole windows focus still... if anybody there actually cared to evolve DOS to modern needs, they could... 10:54:39 <Tefad> no 100% easy way around it 10:54:52 <Tefad> there are USB drivers for dos 10:55:13 <Tefad> many bioses emulate usb into standard bios interfaces too 10:55:26 <Smoovious> true, but there's nothing magical about windows... if they can get memory addressing working smoothly in windows (almost chokes on that), they can do it in DOS too... 10:55:42 <Tefad> win9x certainly does 10:55:52 <Tefad> NT is rather solid.. especially win2k 10:56:21 <Tefad> i'm not saying win2k is perfect, but it took quite a bit for me to break it 10:56:34 *** caladan [~caladan@161-be2-18.acn.waw.pl] has joined #openttd 10:56:36 <Smoovious> yeah... actually, as far as the windows versions go... I'm actually rather satisfied with the stability of the 2k I'm running now... 10:56:58 <caladan> Thou win2k seems a little bit too fat/too slow 10:57:08 <Tefad> i was using 2k when i upgraded to linux 10:57:17 <Tefad> fat/slow? 10:57:22 <Smoovious> the only BSoD's I ever got from it was during some alpha- and dev-testing of the early µT versions 10:57:39 <Tefad> whoa wtf was utorrent doing? heh 10:57:49 <Tefad> xp is fat and slow eh? 10:58:00 <caladan> XP is actually faster than win2k 10:58:09 <Smoovious> I don't remember the specifics, but they usually revolved around tcpip.sys 10:58:11 <caladan> xp is meant to be used as a client OS 10:58:13 <Tefad> BSoD for me i got from kernel drivers. 10:58:14 <caladan> and 2k is for servers 10:58:19 <Tefad> 2k is for workstations. 10:58:30 <Smoovious> both workstations and servers 10:58:42 <Smoovious> until 2003 took the place for server operation 10:58:46 <Tefad> i thought there were server versions for 2k 10:58:52 <lolman> Win2K Professional is for workstations, and I assume that's what most people without servers with Win2k will be using 10:58:53 <Smoovious> there are 10:59:29 <Tefad> the win2k loader is slow i think 10:59:38 <Tefad> and can be replaced by xp's iirc 10:59:54 <Smoovious> yeah... I'm on 2kpro... pissed about that too... intended to install 2kserver, but the install wasn't clearly labelled, and by the time I realized it, it was too late... can't downgrade with 2kpro, and the only upgrade path is into XP... sucks... 10:59:58 <Tefad> part of the bootstrap.. unless i'm totally smoking something 11:00:22 <Smoovious> my 2kpro takes a long time to boot up now... but I just chalk that up to all of the extra stuff I have installed 11:00:39 <Tefad> i do some tech work on the side... 11:00:51 <Tefad> replaced an optical drive in some computer... 11:00:55 <Smoovious> still tho... I can live with a 2-3min boot time when I have to reboot so rarely to begin with 11:01:10 <Tefad> it took nearly 10 minutes to boot XP, and it has an amd k8 CPU 11:01:21 <hylje> 2k boot loads drivers serially, while XP does it parallel 11:01:22 <hylje> afaik 11:01:24 <Tefad> not much OEM junkware either 11:01:35 <neli> xp just shows the login screen earlier 11:01:40 <neli> it doesn't actually finish booting earlier 11:01:43 <Smoovious> I tend to think loading them serially is more stable anyways 11:01:49 <caladan> dont care, it seems to run faster :SD 11:01:50 <Tefad> yeah.. i noticed that 11:01:58 <Tefad> at work i'll get to the desktop 11:02:06 <Smoovious> but if you can hibernate your computer, then that helps too... 11:02:09 <Tefad> then still have to wait forever for things to get snappy 11:02:23 <Tefad> hibernate screws up the printer driver at work 11:02:31 <Tefad> as do concurrent logons 11:02:37 <Tefad> stupid lexmark. 11:02:44 * Smoovious chuckles. 11:02:47 <Smoovious> well, there's yer problem 11:02:50 <Tefad> ported their NT driver to XP or something 11:04:33 <Smoovious> its so hard to find good equipment anymore... my ancient Radio Shack DMP-130a dot matrix printer, still gets fairly regular use, and I've treated it like crap... over 20 years old, and still works very well... only 'repair' I had to do was a dab of dry grease on the bar the print head moves along when it started skipping 11:04:43 <Smoovious> has outlived every other printer I've ever had 11:04:58 <Tefad> wow 11:05:07 <Tefad> my deskjet 540 probably still works 11:05:23 <Tefad> it'll be 13 soon 11:05:32 <Smoovious> fortunately, I can still buy ribbons for it... a lot of printers use the same design. :D 11:05:45 <Tefad> okidata or whatever? 11:05:59 <Smoovious> possibly... 11:06:12 <Tefad> those things were ever-popular in my schools 11:06:13 <Smoovious> haven't really looked at the compatability list... 11:06:31 <Smoovious> I've looked at the same style cartridge so many times, I just recognize it on sight now 11:07:21 <peter1138> i miss the sound of dot matrix printers :/ 11:07:39 <Smoovious> I _don't_ miss the sound of daisy-wheels 11:07:41 <Tefad> many credit card machines here still use them 11:08:00 <Tefad> CHUNKACHUNKCHUCHUNKAKACHUCHCHCNKAKAKA 11:08:06 <Tefad> yes? 11:08:13 <Smoovious> hehe... love how whenever they dub in modem sounds on shows and movies and commercials, they're still using 2400bps carrier tones... 11:08:24 <Tefad> most of the time 11:08:31 <Tefad> sometimes i hear x2 or v90 11:08:36 <peter1138> heh, never heard a daisy wheel, or chain 11:09:17 <Tefad> daisychain for serial.. some multiplayer dos games did that eh? 11:09:17 <Smoovious> I think the printer I liked the sound of the most, was back at Skills Center... they had this big printer hooked up to a mini-computer... an NCR if I remember right... the thing was super fast... used a chain driuve for printing 11:09:47 <Smoovious> if you didn't feed the paper just right, and have the cover closed, and ran a test print, you had paper shooting up and hitting against the ceiling 11:09:57 <Tefad> holy 11:10:49 <Tefad> the guy i do programming for, he worked with ancient computers 11:10:59 <Tefad> talked about 1MHz z80s 11:11:10 <Tefad> with multiple dumb terminals 11:11:13 <Smoovious> its fun to still tinker around with the older stuff... 11:11:24 <Smoovious> you could get more hands-on than you could now 11:11:32 <Tefad> older than that was having to bring programs in on punch cards 11:11:37 <Tefad> and wait over night for results 11:12:00 <Smoovious> as the years gone by, we've lost LED's on our hard drives... our status lights on the cases are now reduced to one single LED for the drive controller... 11:12:05 <Tefad> come in the next day, pick up the first sheet from the line printer.. within seconds he was uttering four letter words : D 11:12:32 <Smoovious> we're phasing out floppies, but no peripheral seems to be in the works, to directly replace them as far as A:/B: assignments go 11:12:44 * Smoovious rofls. 11:12:54 <Smoovious> I got into so much trouble jamming the punch card writer 11:12:57 <caladan> who cares :D 11:13:00 <Tefad> or, on the way to the computer, he'd drop the cards 11:13:10 <Smoovious> how was I supposed to know that it wasn't capable of punching 5 at a time 11:13:22 <caladan> soon we will have pendrives that are mounted as a: and b: :D 11:13:34 <Tefad> meh 11:13:39 <hylje> rather /dev/pendrive0 11:13:43 <Tefad> mine get mounted as /mnt/usbdrive0 11:13:43 <Smoovious> will believe it when I see it 11:13:44 <Tefad> yeah 11:13:58 <hylje> alphabetical mounting is so 90s 11:14:02 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:14:16 <Tefad> and our mounting is so.. 70's? 11:14:24 <caladan> and do you remeber subst command? :D 11:14:27 <Tefad> yup 11:14:31 <Smoovious> writing CD's is ok... but I still have a need for a frequently re-writable very temporary storage sometimes 11:14:33 <caladan> it was a great fun to have X drive :D 11:14:40 <Tefad> there's another one like subst eh? 11:14:55 <Tefad> i forgot the name of it 11:15:17 <caladan> hmmm, is there? 11:15:33 <Tefad> was it join? 11:15:41 <Smoovious> sounds familiar 11:15:43 <peter1138> hylje: "drive letters" are a bit older than that :) 11:15:52 <Tefad> yes! : D 11:15:56 <Tefad> join and subst 11:16:09 <Tefad> i think drive letters come from CP/M yes? 11:16:14 <Smoovious> yeah 11:16:21 <Tefad> mid/late 70s 11:16:22 <Tefad> eh? 11:16:33 <Smoovious> cp/m would address like: c0:, c1:, c2:, d0:, d1:, etc 11:17:36 <Roel> caladan, i still use subst on a daily base; some dos based accouting programs crash when they see large drives and need a seperate drive.. :) 11:18:12 <caladan> hehe, that's funny, most accounting programs still are dos based :D 11:18:29 <Tefad> heh. 11:19:21 <Roel> jup.. because the people that use them have used them for a long time (5+ years) and are grown into them and can work realy fast with those programs.. and the change to a new windows based system lets them work a whole lot slower..:) 11:19:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:19:50 <Wolf01> hello 11:19:51 <Smoovious> most of em were tailor made for the company a long time ago... and not enough reason to change something that isn't broke 11:20:01 <Tefad> heh 11:20:22 <Roel> that too.. and they have to rewrite everything again and that mostly costs a small fortune 11:20:22 <caladan> well, they mostly dont use mouse 11:20:22 <Tefad> colleges have similar problems with their databases 11:20:23 <Smoovious> besides... switching from something customized to you, to using a made-for-all app, has its own problems... 11:20:25 <caladan> that's good 11:20:38 <Tefad> peoplesoft is the devil. 11:20:40 <Smoovious> yeah, a mouse would only slow the process down 11:20:56 <Roel> caladan, indeed.. but a good windows program doesn't require a mouse either.. 11:20:58 <caladan> just look at many windows programs, people tend to use mouse 11:21:01 <Tefad> i felt like stabbing the computer sooooo many times when trying to use people soft 11:21:09 <Tefad> i'd rather fill out a form and mail it in. 11:21:17 <caladan> ha, but be sure, that most programmers dont care to make kbd shortcuts 11:21:32 <Roel> i know.. :( 11:21:42 <Tefad> i'm all about the shortcuts 11:21:49 <Smoovious> they tend to use mouse cuz in a lot of cases they don't know any better... I get so impatient with my mom when she's trying to get to something with the mouse... I just grab the keyboard, hit a few keys and poof, we're there 11:21:52 <Tefad> it was one of the first things i learned 11:22:03 <Tefad> Smoovious: i do the same things 11:22:04 <Tefad> : ) 11:22:10 <caladan> you know, it is funny thing, to see faces of people who just look as you type and hit keys 11:22:11 <Smoovious> depends on the programmer, caladan... 11:22:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 11:22:18 <caladan> and use no moise and all windows flicker :D 11:22:38 <Tefad> i just toasted my keyboard with builtin trackpoint 11:22:38 <Roel> indeed.. and people blinking because they can't keep up with watching :) 11:22:45 <Tefad> looking for another 11:22:52 <Tefad> it's so handy : D 11:22:56 <caladan> it's the hacker way ;-) 11:23:11 <Tefad> don't have to reach over to the mouse to browse the web 11:23:34 <Smoovious> fingers moving so fast that they can't even try to keep track of what you're typing, but whatever you're doing, the computer is doing it 11:23:43 <Tefad> heh 11:23:51 <Smoovious> fingers fly for 2 seconds, and then you sit there and wait for the GUI to catch up 11:23:56 <Roel> I've used my computer almost a full day before i found out my mouse was broken.. :) 11:24:03 <caladan> many people are not aware even of most basic shortcuts like ctrl+s 11:24:44 <Smoovious> after 2 months of nagging, I FINALLY got mom to just hit the enter key instead of the 'send' button when she's chatting with someone on YM 11:24:55 <Roel> lol 11:24:57 <caladan> lol... 11:25:36 <Roel> bbl, worktime 11:25:37 <Smoovious> I think she was worried I was going to have a seizure the way I kept trying to hold myself back 11:25:59 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:26:22 <Smoovious> l8r Roel 11:26:49 <caladan> well, the problem with shortcuts is because people dont know where keys are, and are not familiar with hitting more than one at once 11:27:24 <Smoovious> bah... I don't buy that... people have been hitting 2 keys at once for certain things since manual typewriters 11:27:40 <Smoovious> they just make things more difficult than they really are 11:27:47 <Smoovious> let the computer intimidate them 11:27:56 <Smoovious> I mean... it's just a keyboard 11:28:01 <caladan> shift is something *different* from alt and ctrl and win 11:28:12 <Smoovious> not so much different 11:28:18 <caladan> everyone knows how shift works 11:28:25 <Smoovious> same type of key... different use 11:28:32 <caladan> how many people know that those little underlines in menus are to be wused with alt? 11:28:51 <Smoovious> about as many people that actually rtfm to begin with 11:29:13 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 11:29:34 <caladan> know the rule: "if everything else fails, read the manual"? 11:29:35 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176100090.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:30:24 <Mortomes> By the time everything fails the manual has most likely already ended up in the garbage :S 11:30:36 <Smoovious> the scary thing is, the first item in any troubleshooting guide isn't "is it turned on/plugged in" for no reason... 11:30:57 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:22 <caladan> another famous rule: devices work better plugged in :D 11:31:37 <Mortomes> Amazing. 11:32:37 <Smoovious> "My printer isn't working, I think it is jammed, the yellow light is blinking..."... "Ok... first off, lift off the cover, and see if you see any paper bunched up in there"... "nope, nothing there"... etc etc etc 11:32:50 <Smoovious> 20 minutes later, I've finally determined... she didn't have paper in the first place 11:33:43 <Smoovious> a few days later, she finally has paper... but is only getting blank sheets coming out... so I come over... take a look... she still has the shipping tape on the ink cartridges... 11:33:55 <caladan> hehe 11:34:02 <Smoovious> and on my way back out of her house, I notice about 20-30 sheets of blank, perfectly good paper, in the trash 11:34:04 <caladan> did she install it all by herself? 11:34:35 <Smoovious> think so... she bought a complete set from Office Depot... computer/monitor/printer/etc all included 11:34:51 <Smoovious> at least she got all the cables right... (they were all color coded) 11:34:53 <Tefad> oh man. 11:35:16 <Tefad> also, don't ink carts hate it when you don't pull of the film? 11:35:45 <Tefad> heh, i bought some inkjet printer as backup for when mine dies 11:35:59 <Tefad> however, it decided to hemorage all over my floor 11:36:16 <Tefad> luckily i have tile floor, and it didn't get on the grout. 11:36:28 <Tefad> rubbing alcohol cleaned that crap up right 11:36:36 <Smoovious> here's what I hate... I have a P3/733... and I work the hell out of it... she has a 2+Ghz multimedia computer... and what does she do with it the majority of the time? email, web browsing, Bejeweled, and Majhong(sp?) 11:36:51 <Tefad> yup. 11:36:58 <Tefad> i give my wife the 400MHz machines for that crap 11:37:08 <Tefad> firefox + flash + java and she's set. 11:37:21 <Tefad> slow to load, but playable 11:37:26 <Smoovious> yeah 11:37:49 <Tefad> the laptop is only 366MHz, but it's running riced out gentoo 11:37:49 <caladan> think of all those people who use just word and excel :] 11:38:08 <caladan> 366 with gentoo will run divx movies with no problem 11:38:13 <Tefad> sure 11:38:19 <Tefad> it stutters on DVDs though 11:38:27 <Tefad> mostly watchable though 11:38:33 <lolman> Smoovious: my dad has a Athlon 64 3800+ system...and all he ever does is play Bejeweled... 11:38:35 <Tefad> probably set rate to 90% and it'd work 11:38:50 <Smoovious> one of these days tho... when I have the money to buy something new for a change instead of used, I'm going to go ape-shit... multi-processor... as much ram as I can get... go nuts with it... and if I have any $ left over, place some orders on some of the case-modding sites I like :) 11:39:02 <Tefad> I/O of DVD is too much 11:39:14 <Tefad> mpeg4 is great though 11:39:24 <Tefad> uses half (or so) of the CPU 11:39:40 <caladan> I have P3-500 with 300MB of ram 11:39:43 <Tefad> and luckily xv works on that graphics. 11:39:47 <caladan> and divx takes like 20-30% of CPU 11:40:21 <Tefad> i should upgrade some of these p2-400s to p3's 11:40:30 <Smoovious> yeah, I can do ok with most video too, if I stop a few programs I like to keep running 11:40:34 <Tefad> picked up two p3 slot cpus for each 11:40:40 <Smoovious> some video tho, just refuses to stay sync'd 11:40:49 <Tefad> heh 11:41:07 <Tefad> 720p h264 does that on my friend's box 11:41:19 <Smoovious> and I can't seem to be able to set the players to skip frames anymore like I used to 11:41:20 <Tefad> i found some tweaks for the decoder, and we played it back at 90% 11:41:23 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 11:41:26 <Tefad> slightly skippy, but stayed in sync 11:41:39 <Tefad> no more of that crazy HD.. 11:41:41 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 11:41:42 <Tefad> HR is plenty. 11:41:53 <Smoovious> I think the biggest complaint I have tho, is codec conflicts 11:41:59 <Tefad> ? 11:42:04 <Tefad> use VLC 11:42:09 <Tefad> or mplayer if you're daring 11:42:11 <Smoovious> just as I get them resolved and the offending audio codec removed, it creeps back in 11:42:38 <Tefad> meh, VLC pretty much ignores windows codec drama 11:42:41 <Smoovious> I tried VLC... I'm not happy with it... a lot of stuff just doesn't get the rgb/cym conversion done 11:42:52 <Smoovious> but the codecs I'm referring to are audio 11:43:04 * Tefad shrugs 11:43:10 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:10 <Tefad> i rarely have problems with codecs 11:43:13 <Smoovious> like... when I wanna listen to music while I'm in IRC, I just have a script play random mp3's... 11:43:37 <Smoovious> and sometimes, an mp3 doesn't play cuz of a codec conflict... try it again, and it'll play 11:44:14 <Tefad> never heard of that 11:44:18 <Smoovious> and the OS sure doesn't make it easy to track down codecs and reconfigure or remove them 11:46:12 <Tefad> whew, halfway emerging world. 11:46:24 <caladan> wow, new system or update? 11:47:00 <Smoovious> http://www.kossan.se/strandraggare.htm (audio is in english) 11:47:05 <Tefad> new system 11:47:11 <caladan> first one? 11:47:14 <Tefad> no 11:47:19 <Tefad> sixth or so 11:47:26 <Tefad> but i've never personally used gentoo for desktop 11:47:36 <Tefad> set up skeleton desktop for the wife's laptop 11:47:40 <caladan> two days ago i set up 8th gentoo or so :D 11:47:55 <Tefad> starts up fvwm with hardly an UI.. she starts firefox from xterm 11:48:04 <Tefad> and does "sudo /sbin/poweroff" to turn the thing off 11:48:22 <Tefad> i set up a script to restart network scripts when she reseats the wifi card 11:48:37 <Tefad> script.. meh udev action, whatever 11:48:49 <caladan> hmmm 11:48:57 <caladan> ifplugd? 11:48:59 <Tefad> most of my gentoo installs have been on ancient macs. 11:49:06 <Tefad> no, straight up udev rules 11:49:33 <Tefad> upon removal, it makes sure the interface's stop script is run 11:49:41 <Tefad> and insertion, makes sure the start script is run 11:50:03 <Tefad> /etc/init.d/eth.wifi0 start|stop whateverness 11:50:44 <Tefad> didn't know of the proper way to do it, and it wasn't doing it on its own, so i did it that way. 11:51:21 <Tefad> this is for when the wifi is being stupid, she can just reseat the card once or twice and have a connection again. 11:51:31 <Tefad> however, the card doesn't like to work in the bottom slot ; ) 11:51:42 <caladan> huh... 11:52:30 <Tefad> i usually use slackware 11:52:32 <Maedhros> 11:52:39 <Tefad> which might change to arch for servers 11:52:51 <Tefad> (my servers are sub GHz..) 11:52:56 <caladan> hmm, used slack long time ago... 11:53:10 <Tefad> converting my desktop from slackware to gentoo right now 11:53:19 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-43-111.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 11:53:20 <Tefad> backed up root, formatted. 11:57:41 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-216.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:53 *** Digitalfox_ is now known as Digitalfox 11:58:31 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 12:00:20 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:37 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 12:04:23 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-43-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 12:04:53 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 12:06:26 <HMage> Smoovious: if you're playing music through winamp, no OS codecs are involved at all. These might be soundcard issues. 12:07:41 <Tefad> sounds like mirc and using mirc to play via codecs... 12:07:58 <Tefad> maybe . . 12:08:00 <HMage> mirc knows how to play audio? that's news to me 12:08:11 <Tefad> it has for long time 12:08:19 <HMage> most likely mirc is used to control winamp 12:08:22 <Tefad> mp3s since like 2001 12:08:37 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 12:08:40 <HMage> i see] 12:08:44 <Tefad> i remember going wtf about it 12:08:53 <Tefad> even has script things to read metadata 12:09:07 <Tefad> but i think those only extend to mp3 12:09:31 <Tefad> i think mainly it is done for CTCP SOUND 12:09:40 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-43-111.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:47 * Tefad shrugs 12:09:54 *** Digitalfox_ is now known as Digitalfox 12:10:25 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:29 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 12:10:52 <Smoovious> don't like winamp... I play them through mIRC cuz my girl has a matching script I put together, sync'ing the mp3's so we listen together... I don't like running extra programs if I don't have to 12:11:25 <Tefad> aww how geekily romantic : x 12:11:41 <Smoovious> besides... winamp would qualify as a workaround for the problem... I'd rather have a fix for it. :D 12:12:14 <Tefad> it's probably a bug in mIRC 12:12:28 <Smoovious> anyways, if I play something she doesn't have, or if she plays something I don't have, our scripts will send a -skip to each other to go to the next song, and download the missing song, so next time it comes up we both have it 12:12:29 <Tefad> or maybe your sound driver 12:12:46 <Smoovious> no, it isn't in mIRC... it is in windows 12:12:54 <caladan> Smoovious: Man, you're a geek ^^ 12:13:20 <Tefad> you should port it all to irssi. 12:14:04 <Smoovious> I got another program (which I forget the name of right now) I use to test and show me audio/video playback paths so I can see if something isn't working right... 12:15:41 <Smoovious> GSpot 12:23:12 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-165-54.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:24:08 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:54 *** Mortomes [~Mortomes@ip565bdd29.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 12:30:41 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-43-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:35 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387F76C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:45:22 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E568.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:14 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:47:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolfolo|AWAY))] 12:47:19 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 12:49:42 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8877 /trunk/src/table/animcursors.h: -Cleanup: remove already implemented @todo 13:02:46 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC4D2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:08 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:08:37 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54887AEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:08:44 <Steve14> hi 13:09:05 <Steve14> is it possible to change the default scenario folder via config-file ?? 13:09:38 <Rubidium> no 13:10:13 <Steve14> would be nice, cause i don't a scenario folder for every user in it's home-folder 13:10:24 <Steve14> +want 13:10:56 <Steve14> i wanted to use a local scenario folder for every user 13:12:04 <Steve14> no other options ?? 13:12:06 <Rubidium> there are some ideas to determine the available scenarios in a different manner, where it looks in the users home directory, a shared directory (shared file under windows) and the installation directory 13:12:44 <Steve14> Rubidium: yep, that would be a nice feature 13:12:57 <Rubidium> unless you can compile openttd yourself, there is no solution at this moment 13:13:52 <Steve14> thx for help 13:19:27 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:22:21 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:57:19 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-183-161.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 13:57:26 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-51.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:57:27 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-51.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 13:58:40 <Tron> FindGoodVehiclePos() <--- who came up with /that/ name? 13:59:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> what's wrong with it? it is totally descriptive :p 14:01:34 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:01:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:06:29 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54887AEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:23 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:12 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-206-17.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 14:17:37 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:18:03 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 14:25:16 *** Tuzlo [~bill@blk-215-68-38.eastlink.ca] has quit [] 14:36:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8878 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: 14:36:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 14:36:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: Do a better job when checking the parameters of CmdMoveRailVehicle() 14:36:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: NOTE: 0.5 candidate 14:40:38 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:50:14 <Maedhros> any comments on http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/translated_errors.diff ? 14:50:24 <Maedhros> it makes it possible to translate newgrf error messages 14:51:22 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 14:53:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8879 /trunk/src/players.cpp: -Codechange: make DrawPlayerFace easier to read. 14:53:54 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:05:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8880 /trunk/src/ (gfx.cpp gfx.h table/animcursors.h): -Codechange: make anim cursors an array of structs. 15:21:08 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-183-161.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 15:27:45 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 15:28:11 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [] 15:30:36 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:36:24 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:49 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 8878 15:37:08 <_42_> Commit by tron :: r8878 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp (2007-02-24 14:36:14 UTC) 15:37:10 <_42_> -Fix 15:37:12 <_42_> -Fix: Do a better job when checking the parameters of CmdMoveRailVehicle() 15:37:14 <_42_> NOTE: 0.5 candidate 15:38:37 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F93B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:35 <Darkvater> 02:52 <+glx> WM_UNICHAR is not available in mingw << I crap on mingw, it's shit anyways 15:40:55 <Darkvater> but I'll apply your diff after all the 0.5 patch and test it 15:41:12 <Darkvater> although the IME_INPUT you said for WM_CHAR really intrigued me 15:42:05 <glx> the IME input was shown but the result was not usable because WM_CHAR was in ascii mode 15:42:49 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:43:41 <glx> anyway I've updated the diff to remove the ugly ifs 15:46:20 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:46:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:49:44 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 15:49:54 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [] 15:50:58 <Darkvater> Maedhros: I still stand by my point of the patch being useless (translated_errors.diff) 15:51:36 <Darkvater> glx: hmm what happens if you just define WM_UNICHAR for mingw? 15:52:03 <glx> didn't try but it should work 15:52:30 <Maedhros> Darkvater: what was your point? (sorry, i've forgotten...) 15:53:10 <Darkvater> that it's not worth translating these things 15:54:04 <Maedhros> umm yes, but why? what does it cost to translate them? 15:54:27 <Darkvater> don't remember :+ 15:56:18 <Maedhros> hehe 15:56:27 <glx> hmm in winuser.h (MS SDK) 15:56:27 <glx> #if(_WIN32_WINNT >= 0x0501) 15:56:27 <glx> #define WM_UNICHAR 0x0109 15:56:30 <izhirahider> When I use the '?' one a building and it says "Local Authority: <city_name>" it means this house belongs to this city? (i.e, the habitants of this house count for this city? 15:56:42 <Darkvater> yes 15:56:46 <Maedhros> anyway, doing it this way also has the benefit that custom error messages are loaded properly :) 15:57:04 <izhirahider> Darkvater, Is there a rule to set local authority on a given building other than proximity? 15:57:21 <izhirahider> I mean, what makes it depend this house from the next from being of a city? 15:57:28 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 15:58:36 <Maedhros> basically the city expanded, and put a house there 15:58:39 <Darkvater> izhirahider: the town that builds the house is to which it belongs 15:58:47 <Darkvater> HMage: did any of the openttd executables help you out? 15:58:56 <HMage> Darkvater: nope 16:02:30 <Darkvater> :( 16:03:35 <izhirahider> Darkvater, so it has nothing to do with proximity, thanks, I was getting worried 16:04:01 <Darkvater> well usually a closeby town expands 16:04:09 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: ping 16:04:29 <izhirahider> Darkvater, I'll make a video to illustrate my concerns. 16:05:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 16:16:06 *** ullemut [~ulmut@c-212-031-188-247.cust.broadway.se] has joined #openttd 16:16:20 <ullemut> Hi ! 16:17:03 <Sacro|Laptop> hey ullemut 16:17:12 <ullemut> hi 16:17:38 <ullemut> I am in the right channel now ?! 16:17:39 <lolman> Ello :) 16:17:45 <Sacro|Laptop> ullemut: yes you are 16:17:47 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: oh noes 16:17:51 <ullemut> nice, tanks 16:18:44 * lolman is tempted to dump Konversation and use irssi 16:19:28 <ullemut> I have problems playing Openttd in Ubuntu...http://www.ulmut.com <- screenshot of the problem .... someone help me ? 16:21:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> looks fun ;) 16:21:44 <Roel> heh, indeed.. what type of videocard do you have? 16:21:52 <Roel> lolman, irssi++ 16:22:46 <Sionide> ullemut, what version of ubuntu is that?? 16:22:58 <ullemut> 6.10 16:23:06 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 16:23:15 <Sionide> still using the old theme.. *shrug* 16:23:27 <Darkvater> Desolator: you should _NOT_ use your computer as administrator 16:23:39 <Desolator> how do you know? 16:23:45 <Sionide> cos he's Darkvater 16:23:51 <Darkvater> I have the force 16:23:52 <Sacro|Laptop> he is l33t ninja 16:24:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> he felt a disturbance in the force 16:24:25 <lolman> [16:23] --> Desolator has joined this channel (~admin@86.126.43.192). 16:24:31 <Desolator> whoa? 16:24:38 *** lolman was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [DON'T give away my powers!] 16:24:47 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 16:24:49 <Sacro|Laptop> haha 16:24:50 <Desolator> emm 16:24:55 <Desolator> that is the username of my router 16:25:02 <Sacro|Laptop> :D 16:25:04 <hylje> :o 16:25:07 <Sacro|Laptop> Desolator: danke schon 16:25:16 <nairan> heh 16:25:19 <hylje> don't use your router as admin :-) 16:25:22 <Darkvater> password is probably 'linksys' or something 16:25:33 <lolman> or just "password" 16:25:34 <Roel> or blank or smcadmin :) 16:25:55 <Roel> hmm, no webservice on port 80;; 16:25:58 <nairan> or administrator 16:26:02 <Desolator> and it's the password as well...was 1 min ago 16:26:03 <Darkvater> telnet could be open 16:26:08 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@d130050.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:09 <lolman> LOL 16:26:13 <Roel> hehe 16:26:17 <nairan> hah 16:26:19 <Darkvater> some people should not be allowed on the internet 16:26:46 <ullemut> lolman: I have a Neomagic Corporation NM2360 [MagicMedia 256ZX] Graphic card ..... . . .. . . . 16:26:55 <Roel> there should be an iq check on irc.. 16:26:55 <lolman> ?? 16:27:05 <Darkvater> peter1138: ping 16:27:10 <Desolator> my router is CANYON CN-BR1 16:27:14 <Roel> ullemut, do an lspci, that usualy gives more information 16:27:35 <Roel> my router cuts thru wood metal.. 16:27:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> ullemut: do other SDL games work? 16:27:47 <ullemut> no 16:27:50 <Roel> brb, dinner.. 16:28:02 <lolman> Then it's a problem with SDL ;-) 16:28:21 <ullemut> what can I do to fix it ? 16:28:37 <Sacro|Laptop> dont use SDL 16:28:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd blame the graphic card drivers 16:29:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i have no knowledge about the internals of SDL 16:29:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> you should probably talk to SDL people 16:29:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> or people who have the same graphics card 16:30:16 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:31:54 *** lolman_ [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 16:32:06 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:10 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 16:32:59 <lolman> I miss anything? :P 16:33:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 16:34:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r8881 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: Allow built-in newgrf error messages to be translated, and load custom error messages properly. 16:35:33 *** ullemut [~ulmut@c-212-031-188-247.cust.broadway.se] has left #openttd [] 16:36:34 <Darkvater> !seen peter1138 16:36:37 <_42_> Darkvater, if you can't see peter1138 here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 16:36:49 <Darkvater> thank you for being so useful you piece of shit bot 16:37:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r8882 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files): -Cleanup (r8881): Remove obsolete strings. 16:37:42 <Maedhros> there, that's action b finished :) 16:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> is there an "ignore fatal errors" option? 16:41:57 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3E947.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:16 <Maedhros> nope 16:44:43 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3EF2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8883 /branches/0.5/ (newgrf.c oldloader.c table/namegen.h train_cmd.c): 16:46:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r8740, r8793, r8865, r8878): 16:46:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - GCC warnings for r8738 (r8740) 16:46:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Correct spelling of real french townnames and 'remove' a duplicate (r8793) 16:46:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - (NewGRF) Ignore 1 byte action 0s during safety check (r8865) 16:46:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Stricter checks for CmdMoveRailVehicle() parameters (r8878) 16:47:50 * Desolator updates 16:50:06 <Desolator> May I ask why doesn't the file "COPYING" have an extension? 16:50:31 <lolman> Because it doesn't...same reason INSTALL doesn't in the sources... 16:51:22 <Sacro|Laptop> doesn't need one 16:51:51 <Darkvater> only windows is so gay it needs extensions for everything. Other OS's are smart enough that they can figure it out themselves 16:52:01 <Desolator> lol 16:52:14 <Desolator> and it has boxes instead of new lines 16:52:27 <lolman> Which Notepad can't figure out 16:52:35 <Darkvater> that's cause your texteditor is too stupid to understand normal text 16:52:35 <Desolator> I started using Notepad2 16:52:47 <Desolator> and that isn't stupid 16:52:50 <lolman> I don't use Notepad ;-) 16:53:03 <Desolator> Notepad2 makes Notepad look like the toiled made it 16:53:05 <lolman> On Windows I use SciTE, on Linux it's nano 16:53:16 <Desolator> *toilet 16:54:09 <Desolator> ah now it does 16:54:20 <Desolator> I didn't have latest version 16:55:27 <Desolator> is there a will to move to a new graphic format? 16:55:35 <Desolator> in 0.8.0 or so 16:55:59 <lolman> Why? 16:56:05 <Desolator> just asking 16:56:30 <lolman> Was asking why a new format would be needed 16:56:59 <Desolator> no, if ottd would move to a new one 16:57:10 * Sacro|Laptop goes on rFactor 16:57:34 <lolman> Desolator: I know :) I was asking why... 16:57:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> why would anyone move formats, if no new format is needed? 16:57:35 *** lugo [~lugo@pD95810B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:48 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop: :( 16:59:25 <Desolator> well, I know a game that uses XML for extensions, and it's possible to modify 90% of the game 16:59:35 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: actually, maybe ill go on lfs 16:59:44 <peter1138> hmm? 16:59:56 <Desolator> from simple attributte changing to scripting (i can give you an example extension) 17:00:12 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: if i can figure out how to remove auto blip 17:00:33 <Sacro|Laptop> and i think auto-clutch wont remove either 17:01:07 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop: go into Player in options 17:01:47 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: it doesnt stop it 17:01:53 <Sacro|Laptop> it still blips the throttle on downshifts 17:02:06 <lolman> I have it turned off and it works 17:02:22 <Sacro|Laptop> hmm, doesnt for me 17:02:22 <lolman> Try asking on the forum ;-) 17:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> Desolator: if you want an xml format, provide a compiler xml->nfo 17:03:36 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: where is the forum? 17:03:45 <lolman> www.lfsforum.net 17:03:46 <Desolator> first i need to know how nfo works 17:03:56 <lolman> Desolator: good luck 17:03:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> but ottd does not have anything to do with that 17:04:08 <Desolator> thanks... 17:04:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> and if you got the compiler working, do a decompiler 17:04:42 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> and if you want to know how it works, read the spec 17:05:19 <lolman> Eddi|zuHause2: erm... 17:05:40 <lolman> What spec? :P 17:05:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> the nfo spec? 17:06:05 <lolman> I didn't think it was one static specification 17:06:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> nobody said anything about static 17:06:55 <Sacro|Laptop> hmmm, auto clutch wont die either 17:07:35 <Sacro|Laptop> ahh, had the options wrong 17:07:50 <lolman> lol 17:12:51 <Darkvater> he 17:12:59 <Darkvater> almost got the langs done 17:13:28 <Desolator> so, is there a guide to nfo? 17:14:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd try the ttdpatch site 17:14:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> or the forum 17:17:14 <Maedhros> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs 17:24:13 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 17:28:41 <peter1138> bah, is there no better way of getting the type from an EngineID by checking its number? 17:30:54 <KUDr> [17:02:05] <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: ping << pong 17:35:29 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 17:43:36 <izhirahider> Darkvater, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6n6zFdDsIo 17:44:02 <izhirahider> the border houses have local authority the farest town 17:46:38 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:38 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:47:13 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 17:50:13 <Roel> the resolution is too low to make it readable.. 17:50:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.5.12.125] has joined #openttd 17:52:07 <Ailure> hmmmhmm 17:52:08 <Ailure> crap 17:52:37 <Ailure> did the brianetta standard server belly up while I was gone? D: 17:54:07 <Sacro|Laptop> is he not around? 17:54:14 <Sacro|Laptop> no... he's going to the lakes today, or he was 17:58:12 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> computers are working automatically only while you are watching them ;) 17:58:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:59:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> as soon as you leave for a minute, they are revolting 18:00:25 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:47 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 18:01:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:02:53 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:38 <izhirahider> Roel, where else can I host it in another resolution? 18:07:24 <Darkvater> KUDr: could you check the 0.5 YAPF backports for correctness? I think they're all right but you never know 18:07:38 <KUDr> ok 18:08:14 <Darkvater> izhirahider: that quality is REALLY crap 18:08:21 <Darkvater> a screenshot would be much better 18:08:45 <Darkvater> but if a big town expands next to a small town then yes, you could have houses belonging to the big town right in the middle of the small one 18:08:50 <Darkvater> KUDr: great, thanks :) 18:09:01 <Darkvater> peter1138: I backported 8878, thought it harmless 18:09:25 <peter1138> yes, it shouldn't occur anyway 18:09:44 <peter1138> but the standard handler does it 18:10:15 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 18:10:16 <Darkvater> it shouldn't occur in 0.5 or at all? 18:10:39 <peter1138> only if there's a dodgy grf 18:10:50 <peter1138> and only if the dodgy grf is put in the static section 18:11:27 <Darkvater> ah so it can happen always 18:11:30 <Darkvater> (user error) 18:12:43 <peter1138> bah enumeral / non-enumeral 18:15:03 <KUDr> Darkvater: looks ok 18:15:23 <Tron> <peter1138> bah, is there no better way of getting the type from an EngineID by checking its number? <-- GetEngine()->type 18:15:58 <Darkvater> KUDr: thank you :) 18:19:42 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage] 18:20:26 *** kdr [materi@h-85-24-203-79.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:20:27 *** kdr_ [materi@h-85-24-203-79.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:53 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:03 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 18:21:31 *** michi_cc [8fca6929c4@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:00 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-157-084.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 18:25:07 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-157-084.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:14 *** kaarel [~kaarel@ip10.cab52.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:26:24 <kaarel> hi 18:27:11 <kaarel> if joining a multiplayer game via command line (linux), can you make sure that you join as a new company? 18:27:56 <Darkvater> default is new company 18:28:34 <Darkvater> back in 1-2 hours 18:29:06 <kaarel> hmm, doesn't seem to work. my friend always joins in the same company as i (server has enough free company slots) 18:38:25 <glx> is he using # in the command line? 18:38:42 <kaarel> yes 18:40:18 <glx> so he should use another slot :) 18:40:32 <glx> or not use # 18:40:34 <Ailure> [18:54] <Sacro|Laptop> is he not around? 18:40:34 <Ailure> [18:54] <Sacro|Laptop> no... he's going to the lakes today, or he was 18:40:40 <Ailure> Oh typical my luck :) 18:40:45 <glx> (without # it creates a new company) 18:40:51 <kaarel> doh 18:40:53 <kaarel> thanks alot :) 18:40:58 <Sacro|Laptop> Ailure: well i dunno if he went or not, there was a major derailment last night 18:44:22 <Ailure> It dosen't surprise me though 18:44:29 <Ailure> if the weather is as bad over in UK as in Sweden :/ 18:44:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8884 /trunk/src/ (bridge.h roadveh_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp): 18:44:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 18:44:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Replace SetSpeedLimitOnBridge() by something simpler 18:44:35 <Ailure> Or atleast, was as bad 18:49:09 *** michi_cc [michi_cc@p57A2DB6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:16 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Gish 18:52:18 *** Rens2Gish is now known as Rens2Sea 18:52:54 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Crackdown 18:56:25 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:56:38 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176100090.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 18:57:50 *** michi_cc [michi_cc@p57A2DB6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Und weg...] 18:57:54 *** michi_cc [michi_cc@p57A2DB6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 18:58:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> assuming sweden was full of snow, i doubt that happens often in england 19:01:50 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 19:04:24 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:18 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:05:46 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [] 19:06:44 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:08:44 <peter1138> hmm, guinness marmite 19:13:16 <Ailure> well heh 19:13:18 <Ailure> we got alot of snow 19:13:26 <Ailure> which is kinda rare for the southest part of Sweden. >_> 19:18:24 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@87.5.12.125] has joined #openttd 19:18:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.5.12.125] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolfolo|AWAY))] 19:20:02 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D753.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:20 *** nairan_zzzzz [~Maui_key@p5498D753.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:38 *** nairan_zzzzz [~Maui_key@p5498D753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:20:44 <nairan> grmpf 19:23:04 <peter1138> southest! 19:26:34 <Wolfolo|AWAY> sh: stfu: command not found 19:26:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r8885 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: (NewGRF) If a default cargo type property is out of range then choose the cargo type from its refit list. 19:27:09 <Wolfolo|AWAY> bye 19:27:18 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@87.5.12.125] has quit [] 19:36:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r8886 /trunk/src/ (cargotype.cpp cargotype.h newgrf.cpp newgrf.h): -Codechange: (NewGRF) Add (partial) cargo translation table support, applied to action 3s only. 19:43:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8887 /trunk/src/players.cpp: -Fix (r8879)[MorphOS]: initialization of mouth_table[] skipped by goto 19:52:32 <nairan> whats the default oil industry range from the mapend 19:52:38 <nairan> oil refining 19:53:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a patch option 19:54:46 <Noldo> _default_ 19:54:48 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-42-221.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:55:48 <neli> is it normal for all processing industries to disappear if they're unused ? 19:55:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 19:56:01 <neli> I used a randomly generated world 19:56:30 <neli> cities don't fund new ones, randomly ? :( 19:56:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, they do 19:57:18 <neli> my world now consists basically of only farms, mines, forests and power stations 19:57:30 <neli> power stations don't disappear as quickly, it seems 19:57:44 <neli> big shortage on steel mills and factories 19:57:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have never seen a power station disappear 19:58:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> and forests neither 19:58:05 <neli> well it's a processing industry also, no ? it needs coal 19:58:10 <Ailure> heh 19:58:14 <Ailure> in many games I run 19:58:22 <Ailure> there's very few secondary industries 19:58:36 <Ailure> Sometimes I tend to not bother about goods until midgame >_> 19:59:35 <neli> Eddi|zuHause2: "yes, they do" <--- seems not in my case 19:59:43 <neli> is it broken ? :-\ 20:00:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> neli: it's easy to test, save the game, and run fast forward for a while 20:01:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> and look if any "new industry" messages pop up 20:01:30 <neli> are those among the thousands of fluctuating economy messages ? 20:01:37 <neli> I've disabled those 20:01:44 <neli> there were simply too many for the statusbar to handle 20:04:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, they should really be split up into two categories 20:10:34 <nairan> coz i dont have any oil refining insustry 20:10:51 <neli> nairan: ? 20:11:13 <neli> me neither, btw 20:11:35 <nairan> it begain in some r.... i think 20:11:55 <nairan> in last rc it was normal ( as i can remember) 20:12:46 <neli> I'm running rc5 20:13:39 <neli> I mean I can fund some new industries myself, but it's not as much fun 20:19:15 *** Rens2Crackdown is now known as Rens2Sea 20:20:45 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-42-221.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:42 *** michi_cc_ [90aed1f9db@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 20:30:55 *** michi_cc [michi_cc@p57A2DB6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Und weg...] 20:31:04 *** michi_cc_ is now known as michi_cc 20:31:23 *** michi_cc [90aed1f9db@dude.icosahedron.de] has left #openttd [Und weg...] 20:31:26 *** michi_cc [90aed1f9db@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 20:31:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 20:37:29 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 20:52:39 <Sacro|Laptop> oh noes 20:54:06 <lolman> Only 15 minutes late... 20:54:13 * Sacro|Laptop whistles 20:54:26 <Sacro|Laptop> im busy racing 20:54:40 <lolman> rTractor or LFS? 20:54:46 <Sacro|Laptop> rFactor 20:54:49 <Sacro|Laptop> GP79 mod 20:54:52 <lolman> :( 20:55:01 <Sacro|Laptop> i can't get into LFS 20:55:15 <Sacro|Laptop> no real cars, or tracks 20:55:30 <lolman> Beg to differ 20:55:44 <Sacro|Laptop> well send me some addon links 20:55:53 <lolman> No addons 20:56:09 <Sacro|Laptop> well how can you beg to differ? 20:56:10 <lolman> The Raceabout, MRT5 and BMW Sauber are all real 20:56:16 <Sacro|Laptop> pfffft 20:57:45 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: i like realism 20:58:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> <nairan> coz i dont have any oil refining insustry <- yes, that is a known issue, since the new landscape generator, there is not enough flat land at the coast 21:01:03 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:01:27 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:01:57 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:32 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:32 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:01 *** SwordFish [~asd@84-50-236-142-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [] 21:35:13 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 21:43:02 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x503e7be9.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 21:43:13 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 21:43:47 <Desolator> ~seen mart3p 21:43:50 <Desolator> ah 21:43:57 <Desolator> !seen mart3p 21:43:59 <_42_> Desolator, I don't remember seeing mart3p. 21:44:19 <Desolator> Get a new brain! 21:46:47 <Rubidium> Desolator: in that case, when did you see him last in this channel? 21:46:58 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:50:20 <Desolator> I though he was here..but the bot doesn't remember whether he saw him or not, so it should get a new brain. I'm not here 24/7 like it is 21:50:24 <Desolator> *thought 21:51:08 <Rubidium> I've never seen him on IRC 21:53:02 *** kaarel [~kaarel@ip10.cab52.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: kaarel] 21:55:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80ACC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83BD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:57:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:01:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r8888 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: Replace hardcoded default cargo bitmasks with a list of cargo labels. 22:01:57 <peter1138> refit should've been mentioned in that 22:04:20 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-42-213.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 22:05:08 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 22:05:17 <peter1138> Digitalfox: does that answer your questions? 22:05:32 <Digitalfox> Hi peter1138 :) 22:06:51 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 22:09:00 <Digitalfox> Well, does it make newgrf like trains, ships, etc have a better understanding of what the set uses has max cargo and what type of cargo it should use?? 22:09:36 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:09:53 <Digitalfox> It happens a lot of times some wagons and trucks, having problems with refitting and what they should load.. 22:10:06 <peter1138> it fixes george's LVs 22:10:13 <peter1138> that's the only set that had *real* problems 22:10:15 <Digitalfox> peter1138: Nice :) 22:10:24 <peter1138> they suck anyway :p 22:10:51 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:03 <Digitalfox> So the problems of having let's say a truck that by default uses mail, and when we reffit it to whood it will change the sprites? 22:11:09 <Digitalfox> wood 22:11:58 <Digitalfox> because, if so before this code change, if i buy a truck for wood and reffit it to wood, it would steel have the sprites of a mail truck 22:12:14 <peter1138> yes 22:12:26 <Digitalfox> Ok, good work :) 22:12:37 <Digitalfox> Have to try this ;) 22:12:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> and what exactly was the issue with the planeset, that was cause of such a heated discussion? 22:15:06 <Digitalfox> ~I think that if i understand right, this fixes the problem with planeset.. 22:15:11 <Digitalfox> too 22:15:58 <DaleStan> Yes and no. It fixes the cargo translation table problem, but it doesn't provide me with any guarantees that Open will bail next time it can't DTRT with my code. 22:16:36 <DaleStan> (Or, at least, I assume it fixes the translation table problem; I haven't checked.) 22:17:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> i still think you should NEVER rely on an open-source program to DTRT 22:18:07 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: well, ttdp does ;p 22:18:11 <Digitalfox> Oh come on DaleStan, this is a nice gesture from peter1138, so please give some credits :) 22:18:37 <peter1138> Digitalfox: no it's not, this is stuff i've been planning for a long time and hadn't had time to do 22:24:32 *** Bulb [~Bulb@145-119-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 22:24:52 <Bulb> Hello folks, 22:25:38 <Bulb> I just found a bug in trunk. It seems to be rather trivial. Should I fill in a bug report, or is there anybody here who will fix it if I tell you? 22:25:51 <peter1138> go on 22:26:03 <peter1138> unless it's already reported, heh 22:27:45 <Bulb> Well, since rev 8755 there is a crash if you delete an airport (which you may want to do to replace it with larger one or something) and an aircraft is currently flying to it. 22:27:51 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 22:28:08 <peter1138> ok, that's known, thanks 22:28:57 <Bulb> And is it known what exactly happens there? I have a backtrace at hand. 22:29:07 <peter1138> yeah, the station is no longer there, heh 22:29:21 <peter1138> well, the airport part of it 22:29:51 <Bulb> Well, the problem is, that when Tron introduced the Station::Airport method, he put an assert that there is an airport in. 22:31:35 <Bulb> However in aircraft controller there is an explicit workaround for the case to avoid flying to (0,0) if there is no airport_tile, but than it goes to get the AirportFTAClass. 22:31:42 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:33:07 <Bulb> That worked as long as it used the GetAirport function, because it does not look at airport_tile, only on airport_type -- and that is still there. 22:35:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8889 /trunk/src/gfx.h: -Fix (r8880): a CursorID is not a SpriteID. 22:45:49 <Ailure> :o 22:45:54 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has left #openttd [] 22:55:12 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 23:06:15 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 23:08:25 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 23:20:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r8890 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf.h newgrf_engine.cpp): -Codechange: (NewGRF) add cargo translation support to engine var 47 23:26:54 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 23:28:06 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 23:31:55 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:38 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D0B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:32:55 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 23:35:07 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 23:35:07 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r8891 /trunk/src/ (9 files): -Codechange: Remove remains of global cargo scheme. All cargo mapping is now dealt with only in NewGRF code, on load where possible. 23:41:08 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip22.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 23:43:19 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:45 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:45:55 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:46:18 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 23:50:57 *** Desolator is now known as Desolator[ZZzzz] 23:54:29 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:54:30 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-51.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:54:31 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-51.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 23:55:47 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:12 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip22.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 23:56:27 *** Desolator[ZZzzz] is now known as DEsolator 23:56:37 *** DEsolator is now known as Desolator 23:56:40 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has left #openttd [] 23:57:21 <Sacro|Laptop> well that seemed rather pointless 23:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> to each his own :p