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00:03:27 <Maedhros> Darkvater: "At the moment savegames won't load if you don't have the matching grf files (we are working on that)." <-- is that still true in 0.5.0 ? 00:03:39 <Darkvater> ah no 00:04:50 <Darkvater> Maedhros: thx 00:05:16 <Maedhros> np 00:05:20 <Darkvater> although handling is still not ideal 00:05:50 <Darkvater> we'll see how users react ;) 00:06:05 <Maedhros> :) 00:10:43 <Maedhros> good night 00:11:47 <Darkvater> gn 00:11:51 <KUDr> gn 00:12:14 <Darkvater> gn all 00:14:07 <Frostregen> hm, why was "DECLARE_ENUM_AS_BIT_INDEX" removed? I had some guy complaining about warnings without those. (My own compiler seems to ignore this) 00:15:27 <Frostregen> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25037&start=261 00:16:44 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.227] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:17:14 <Frostregen> << is still used with enum's 00:23:56 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-53.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:34:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r8938 /branches/cpp_gui/ (209 files in 15 dirs): [cpp_gui] -Sync with trunk (r8772..r8900) 00:34:35 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 00:34:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F358.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: egladil * r8939 /branches/32bpp/src/ (16 files): [32bpp] -Feature: Added an extra zoom in level. 00:40:25 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:26 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@h88211156156.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 00:47:02 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:07 <ln-> Norwegian has three genders? 01:09:21 <Sacro> yes 01:09:47 <ln-> Why wasn't I informed earlier about it? 01:10:38 <Sacro> ln-: well... errr... why should you have been informed? 01:12:40 <ln-> They've been having three genders for... centuries, and not even the #openttd community happens to mention such a thing to me, instead I have to read it from an introductory level textbook of norwegian. 01:13:01 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:13:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: egladil * r8940 /branches/32bpp/src/ (openttd.h texteff.cpp viewport.cpp zoom.h): [32bpp] -Feature: Added yet another zoom in level. 01:14:24 <Sacro> egladil: YAZ? 01:14:47 <egladil> hehe 01:14:59 <Belugas> YAZL maybe? 01:17:37 <Sacro> Belugas: yes, that'd also work 01:18:57 <Belugas> hehe 01:18:59 <Belugas> work... 01:19:04 <Belugas> i hate tha word 01:19:25 <Belugas> i should get back to it anyway :( 01:19:33 <Sacro> hehe 01:21:47 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp91-76-146-165.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:35:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r8941 /branches/32bpp/projects/ (openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): [32bpp] -Fix: MSVC project files 01:43:19 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-53.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 01:47:32 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 01:50:40 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:54:15 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:29 *** Wolfenst1ijn [~wolf@h88211156156.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 02:27:09 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@h88211156156.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:00 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75CCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:33:02 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-53.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:37:27 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75CE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:51:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: egladil * r8942 /branches/32bpp/src/ (newgrf.cpp zoom.h): [32bpp] -Codechange: Rewrite ZoomLevel helpers to remove some warnings, mostly in MSVC. 02:57:51 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:32:34 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:35:41 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:19:29 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:21:17 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 04:41:39 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:46:27 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:59:40 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has joined #openttd 05:12:46 *** moe [~maui_key@p5498EF7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:39:09 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 05:39:09 *** KUDr|wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56:40 *** bravotk [rnywuj@189.12.182.73] has joined #openttd 05:56:56 *** bravotk is now known as condeee 05:57:27 *** condeee is now known as conde 05:57:42 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 06:02:26 *** conde is now known as underbuilder 06:02:33 *** underbuilder is now known as condee 06:07:58 <condee> servers 06:08:01 <condee> !servers 06:10:36 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 06:10:44 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB5901.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:17:20 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB777B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27:05 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D5A7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:40:17 *** condee [rnywuj@189.12.182.73] has quit [Quit: CyberScript - A diferença entre uma loira burra e uma inteligente é que a inteligente usa CyberScript. (www.cyberscript.org)] 06:44:06 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Have Fun ;D] 06:54:49 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 07:05:02 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498F51E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:05:09 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 07:23:35 <Desolator> I found a problem 07:23:56 <Desolator> The 0.5.0 ZIP file was compiled as Debug instead of Release 07:29:31 <Smoovious> oops 07:31:18 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage] 07:32:00 <Desolator> heh, you compiled for Win? 07:32:59 <Smoovious> no, I don't compile releases... just sayin'... oops... :) 07:33:27 <Desolator> oh 07:33:43 <Desolator> well I guess I'll have to compile it myself *downloads* 07:34:14 <Rubidium> Desolator: how do you know that it's compiled with debug? 07:35:00 <Desolator> because it starts a DOs window, and when I made a typo in the config file (wrong newgrf path) it said there "Invalid blah blah..." 07:35:31 <Desolator> AFAIK Debug starts the DOS window, and Release doesn't 07:36:19 <Desolator> is there any way to download the 0.5.0 source via svn? 07:36:38 <Rubidium> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.5.0 07:37:06 <Desolator> thanks 07:43:09 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 07:59:04 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:10:49 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:17:53 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 08:37:28 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]] 08:40:49 <Desolator> !seen belugas 08:40:51 <_42_> Desolator, if you can't see belugas here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 08:41:06 <Smoovious> we all have a friend like this --> http://thatvideosite.com/video/1151 08:42:35 <Desolator> roflmao! 08:42:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:43:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 08:43:35 <Desolator> is belugas away? 08:43:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:44:04 <Smoovious> think he might be at work... 08:44:06 <Rubidium> nah, he's just sleeping (I hope for him) 08:44:21 <Smoovious> haven't seen him say anything since around 7-8 hours ago 08:44:31 <Smoovious> (ok, so he's not at work anymore, unless he's got crap hours) 08:44:38 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 08:45:03 <Rubidium> it's now around 03:45-ish for Belugas 08:46:25 <Smoovious> yeah, 3:46a where he is 08:46:29 <Desolator> well, I wanted to ask him if he allows me to distribute his 'ottd version of 'TTRS2' via OTTdown (it does it's job well so far, still testing) 08:46:55 <Smoovious> so leave him a note on memoserv 08:47:14 <Desolator> ok 08:49:39 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 08:52:20 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C1E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:54:14 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 08:56:07 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:00 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [Quit: bye] 09:11:22 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Quit: busy today :p] 09:20:11 <Smoovious> who handles putting up the various release files on .torrents? 09:20:12 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 09:25:45 <Rubidium> TrueLight I believe 09:25:55 <Smoovious> okee 09:46:49 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 09:51:32 <Darkvater> 08:23 < Desolator> The 0.5.0 ZIP file was compiled as Debug instead of Release << ? 09:51:39 <Darkvater> it's a release binary 09:52:34 <Darkvater> at least if you are talking about openttd-0.5.0-win32.zip 09:55:54 <Brianetta> What's the 0.5 final SVN tag? 09:56:36 <Darkvater> tags/0.5.0 09:56:40 <Brianetta> ta 09:56:45 <Darkvater> not that hard ;) 09:57:09 <Brianetta> Saves guessing, though 09:57:16 <Brianetta> I'd have started with tags/0.5 09:57:53 <Darkvater> this is the first release, so 0.5.0 tag, from the 0.5 series (branches/0.5) 09:58:57 <Brianetta> (: 10:02:20 <Brianetta> So, this release had no candidate 10:02:23 <Brianetta> Dark horse release! 10:04:40 *** jotham [~jotham@202.20.7.220.dts.net.nz] has quit [Quit: grr] 10:04:46 <Darkvater> ;) 10:09:34 <Darkvater> HMage: have you looked into the DS problem some more, or gave up? I'll post the binary in the vista thread to see if the problem is also exhibited there, otherwise I'm clueless 10:10:08 <HMage> I decided to take a break, usually the problem solution comes to me this way. 10:11:54 <Brianetta> All Standard Servers updated. Deathmatch updated. 10:12:01 <Darkvater> Brianetta: niiice 10:12:14 <Smoovious> deathmatch? 10:12:19 <Brianetta> My server's still running an unstripped binary because I'm paranoid. 10:12:33 <Brianetta> Smoovious: A server where people can vent 10:12:44 <Brianetta> I provide it as a community service 10:12:55 <Smoovious> vent how? 10:13:06 <Brianetta> Vent their spleen 10:13:14 <Smoovious> not vent what... vent how? 10:13:30 <Brianetta> If you want to be a complete tosser, for example, you can be a complete tosser on my deathmatch server, without losing any respe4ct. 10:13:48 <Smoovious> such as? 10:13:52 <Brianetta> Since the rules allow you to be a complete tosser. 10:14:08 <Brianetta> The only rule is "Don't DoS this server" 10:14:14 <Smoovious> server for what? 10:14:25 <Brianetta> Where are you? 10:14:33 <Smoovious> like, something specific to give me some kind of idea what the server actually, IS? 10:14:41 <Smoovious> in the living room 10:15:01 <Brianetta> What kind of server might people be talking about in an IRC channel called #openttd? 10:15:16 <Smoovious> Celebrity Deathmatch 10:15:19 <Brianetta> I'll give you a hint: TTDPatch has no server mode 10:16:07 <Smoovious> I'm just not quite picturing yet, OTTD in a deathmatch type of scenario... so... .. . 10:16:18 <Brianetta> No holds barred. 10:16:23 <Smoovious> OTTD wasn't my first thought when considering the term deathmatch 10:16:26 <Smoovious> like, what holds 10:16:39 <Brianetta> You're allowed to drown competitors' vehicles, block lines, whatever you like 10:16:42 <Smoovious> we talking, infinite money? perma magic bulldozer, etc etc? 10:16:58 <Brianetta> If you find a way to get infinite money, it's not against the rules 10:17:06 <Smoovious> ok... that makes more sense now 10:17:54 <Brianetta> It's very colourful 10:17:56 <Smoovious> basically a free-for-all then 10:40:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r8943 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp: -Fix (r5338): [NewGRF] Fix support for vehicle variable 48, which just returns Engine[id].flags 10:49:06 <Roel> and what about an infinite number of monkeys? :) 11:00:07 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:00:49 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 11:01:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EFDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:46 <Smoovious> hey, do I have to have SQL server running if I'm not hosting any sources 11:07:14 <Rubidium> those two seem totally unrelated to me, but I don't have an answer for you 11:08:27 <Smoovious> I didn't think so... it installed when I installed VS2005, but wasn't sure if it was even needed or not... would rather just not even have it installed if I didn't have to 11:08:38 <Darkvater> he 11:08:49 <Darkvater> I always run the installer with /NO_BSLN_CHECK 11:08:58 <Darkvater> so I don't have to install all the crap they want me to install 11:09:00 <Smoovious> BSLN? 11:09:36 <Smoovious> yeah, well, it has been a hugely long time since I did anything in C, and never, on a windows system, so just kept the default install settings 11:09:57 <Darkvater> D:\setup\setup.exe /NO_BSLN_CHECK 11:10:08 <Smoovious> ok, well, gonna just go ahead and uninstall it 11:10:19 <Smoovious> (I asked what BSLN stood for) 11:10:20 <Darkvater> stupid prerequisites :s 11:10:23 <Darkvater> no idea 11:10:28 <Smoovious> k 11:10:35 <Darkvater> no_BullShitLameQuestions 11:10:44 <Darkvater> questioNs 11:10:45 <Darkvater> ;p 11:10:46 <Smoovious> doesn't work... 11:10:58 <Smoovious> oh, yeah... you're really stretching for that one :P 11:11:23 <Darkvater> oh, and with that it's also possible to install VS2005 on XP without installing SP2 11:11:37 <Smoovious> don't use XP, so no matter to me 11:26:55 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.inquisition21.com] 11:48:28 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:19 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC53F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:51 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:19 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:32:43 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 12:40:55 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc304-50.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 12:41:16 <Smoovious> hmm... tortoisesvn says 'one or more files is in a conflicted state' after updating from the server... "openttd_vs80.vcproj"... and the file fails to load in VC2005... hmm... 12:43:07 <Smoovious> is it possible to have tortoisesvn just clear the whole section, and restart from scratch from the svn service? 12:44:49 <Darkvater> right click > revert 12:44:50 <Rubidium> Smoovious: it's called reverting 12:45:40 <Smoovious> k... the error VC2005 gave on load attempt was "a name was started with an invalid character"... will refresh from scratch, and see if it happens again 12:45:43 <Smoovious> thnx 12:46:37 <Darkvater> no 12:46:43 <Darkvater> don't refresh from scratch 12:46:52 <Smoovious> think I'd better wait to get a better handle on things before I try the 12:46:56 <Darkvater> (if by that you mean deleting everything and doing a fresh checkout) 12:46:57 <Smoovious> too late, already started... 12:47:15 <Smoovious> yes, that's what I mean... I have made no code changes yet that I want to keep 12:47:21 <Darkvater> .. 12:47:22 <Smoovious> tho I was going to start later today 12:47:29 <Darkvater> 13:44 <@Darkvater> right click > revert 12:47:29 <Darkvater> 13:44 < Rubidium> Smoovious: it's called reverting 12:47:38 <Smoovious> yes, that's what I did 12:47:39 <Smoovious> revert 12:48:00 <Darkvater> ah, you weren't very cleary about that ;) 12:48:11 <Smoovious> well, I didn't know it was 'revert' at the time... 12:48:37 <Smoovious> whatever it was, I wanted to reset everything to the same state as on the server... so whatever I did since the last time, got wiped out 12:49:04 <Smoovious> was going to try to make a couple code changes later today... 12:49:43 <Smoovious> grr... still getting "trunk/projects/openttd_vs80.vcproj" conflicted 12:50:10 <Smoovious> oh duhhh 12:50:12 <Smoovious> nevermind 12:50:17 <Darkvater> reload project file? 12:50:43 <Smoovious> just a dumb not-used-to-tortoise-yet thing... I guess it was a menu asking which items I wanted to revert 12:51:48 <Smoovious> oh this is gonna be annoying... the icons in the tree aren't in sync with the icons in the file list in explorer 12:52:57 <Smoovious> well, at least that file is loading now... sorta... got the conversion wizard 12:53:10 <Smoovious> do I have to go through this on every major revision? 12:53:39 <Rubidium> no 12:54:08 <Rubidium> it's just that MSVC modified the project file in such a way that SVN wasn't able to update it 12:54:29 <Darkvater> msvc always does that if you mess around with it 12:55:13 <Rubidium> though it should be less fatal now, as generate generates a vcproj that's more like the msvc2005 one 12:55:15 <Smoovious> ok... so not a big deal then, relatively speaking 12:56:16 <Smoovious> I mean as far a having to convert from time to time 12:56:47 <Darkvater> if you don't add new files to msvc but only change existing ones you will not be affected 12:57:25 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:27 <Smoovious> ok... well, we'll see how this build goes... 12:57:28 <Smoovious> thanks guys 13:00:38 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc304-50.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:25 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc304-50.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:05:49 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has joined #openttd 13:08:02 <Sacro|Laptop> no net at home :( 13:11:39 <Darkvater> what are you doing here then? 13:11:48 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:27 <Darkvater> that's better :) 13:15:30 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has joined #openttd 13:21:32 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 13:25:10 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc304-50.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:30 *** Sacro|Mobile [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has joined #openttd 13:38:24 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:42 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:56:20 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:38 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip22.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 14:02:05 * Belugas is at work now. Helo all 14:02:15 <Darkvater> hello work 14:02:36 <Belugas> booooo work 14:02:45 * Belugas hates work 14:05:56 <Darkvater> don't scuff at work 14:05:58 <Darkvater> poor little guy 14:08:19 <Belugas> think of it that way, my Lord : lots of work@work == less work@ottd 14:08:36 <Belugas> meaning growing todos 14:08:40 <Belugas> therefor 14:08:41 <Darkvater> lol 14:08:44 * Belugas hates work 14:08:48 <Darkvater> you know what I read? 14:08:53 <Darkvater> 15:08 <@Belugas> meaning growing toads 14:08:54 <Belugas> no idea... 14:09:00 <Belugas> ^^ 14:09:07 <Belugas> quit drugs! 14:09:10 <Darkvater> and then I was all puzzled what you might do with frogs@work 14:27:22 <Belugas> wrebbit 14:27:24 <Belugas> wrebbit 14:27:37 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C1E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 14:27:47 <Belugas> wanna kiss me? i'll be a prince! 14:28:21 <Darkvater> not unless you're a princess in disguise 14:28:29 <Darkvater> and not a fake one! 14:30:15 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:20 <Maedhros> good morrow, kind sirs 14:30:37 *** Sacro|Mobile [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:55 <Darkvater> ola 14:36:44 <Maedhros> ok, i've got this for supporting vehicle variables 0xFE and 0xFF; what do you think? 14:36:48 <Maedhros> http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/modflags-r8913.diff 14:37:01 <Maedhros> i'm not entirely sure that bits 5 and 6 are right as the docs are a little vague... 14:39:57 <Darkvater> well we should ask that then, probably DaleStan knows? The diff is otherwise riddled with enum-renames (LS to VF) and my vim skills have a hard time puncturing through that 14:40:36 <Maedhros> yeah, most of the diff is renaming load_status to vehicle_flags and LS_xxx to VF_xxx 14:41:25 <Belugas> which is appropriate in the FE FF var 14:43:29 <Maedhros> DaleStan: ping (question about vehicle variables 0xFE and 0xFF) 14:44:13 <Darkvater> what's FE and FF though? 14:44:54 <Belugas> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Vehicles#Modflags_FE_and_FF_ 14:44:56 <Belugas> that 14:46:46 <Darkvater> I can go to the wiki myself as well you know ;) 14:47:13 <Belugas> easier to find when you know waht to look for... 14:47:23 <Belugas> and it was on my browser aywqy ;) 14:47:39 <Darkvater> but in short 14:47:40 <Darkvater> ? 14:48:29 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has joined #openttd 14:49:16 <Maedhros> miscellaneous flags that get used for all sorts of internal things in ttdpatch, and get exported for anyone who wants to play with them 14:49:40 <Maedhros> the most useful one probably being the flag that's set if the vehicle was build during the exclusing preview 14:49:51 <Maedhros> *built 14:50:05 <Maedhros> *exclusive 14:50:10 <Maedhros> speeling-- 14:50:23 <Sacro|Laptop> spelling :) 14:50:31 <Maedhros> yeah, that one was deliberate :p 14:50:37 <Sacro|Laptop> of course it was... 14:50:48 <Darkvater> so it'd have a different livery for example? 14:50:54 <Maedhros> yup 14:51:51 <Darkvater> I knew newindustries wouldn't be this easy ;p 14:52:27 <Belugas> new<stuff> is never an easy task 14:52:39 <Belugas> which reminds me... 14:52:43 <Belugas> Brianetta : ping 14:54:39 * Smoovious frowns. 14:54:54 <Smoovious> property ownership flags still go transparent 14:59:26 <Belugas> Darkvater, btw, why are you talking about newindustries? 15:00:07 <Darkvater> I was not aware newindustries talk is censured here ;) 15:00:31 <Darkvater> but mainly because every time I see MB's fisheries I am stunned...the most brilliant industry ever 15:01:20 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 15:01:28 <Belugas> ok... it's just that i though you were still on the FE FF thing 15:01:36 <Belugas> my turn been puzzled ;) 15:01:58 <Darkvater> mmmhmm toads *g* 15:02:07 <Belugas> heheh 15:03:52 <Darkvater> btw, has anyone seen a good screenshot combining magic-bridges and roadstops for example? 15:04:03 * Darkvater wants to update the screenshots section on the website 15:04:06 <Brianetta> Belugas: pong 15:04:18 <Sacro|Laptop> Darkvater what are you after? any grfs? 15:04:47 <Belugas> Brianetta, PM 15:05:14 <Darkvater> chokefull of newgrfs, something busy, big town, talbrucke, some av8 airplanes in the air 15:05:17 <Darkvater> ;p 15:05:48 <Darkvater> tropical or arctic imho 15:06:00 <Sacro|Laptop> Darkvater: right :) ill maybe play a game later, seeing as i have no intarwebs at home 15:06:06 <Sacro|Laptop> i have UKRS 15:06:19 <Maedhros> talbrucke? what's that? 15:06:31 <Darkvater> that's german 15:06:43 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip22.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:06:49 <Darkvater> a bridge above a gorge/valley 15:07:07 <Maedhros> ah, ok :) 15:08:30 *** carwe [~carwe@p54B37864.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:15 <Darkvater> Sacro|Laptop: you know, something SAC-like ;p 15:14:00 <Sacro|Laptop> Darkvater: ah, because im just *that* good 15:14:19 <Sacro|Laptop> most screenshots of mine are from Brianetta showing off my PBS related crashes 15:14:48 <Brianetta> Hey, I only showed a couple at most 15:15:31 <Darkvater> lol Standale? ;p 15:15:34 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=542679#542679 15:16:30 <Smoovious> hey, anyone know what the rationale was for making owned-property flags transparent in the first place? 15:16:53 <Darkvater> owned-property flags? 15:17:05 <Brianetta> So you can see the dirt? 15:17:44 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Standale was actually a random name - others in that scenario were not. 15:17:54 <Smoovious> yeah... you know, when you buy up some property for later use, and you get a flag in your company color on it... which doesn't even leave the boundaries of the tile? 15:18:23 <Smoovious> sorry if whoever made them transparent is in here right now, but it was a pretty dumb thing to do 15:18:35 <Darkvater> they're transparent because it's not a base-tile, but something added on top, like a building 15:18:44 <Darkvater> everything stacked becomes invisible 15:18:47 <Smoovious> well, it wasn't transparent before RC5 15:18:48 <Darkvater> eh...transparent 15:19:45 <Darkvater> that was probably a bug ;) 15:19:47 <Darkvater> donnu 15:20:52 <Sacro|Laptop> Brianetta: but people still laughed at me :( 15:21:59 <Brianetta> heh heh 15:22:12 * Sacro|Laptop searches for all post containing his name, written by Brianetta 15:23:15 <Brianetta> heh heh 15:23:58 <Sacro|Laptop> "...complex, undulating networks that spread rather like crystals." I like that description 15:24:21 <Brianetta> It describes something I dislike 15:25:32 <Sacro|Laptop> oh? 15:26:32 *** michi_cc-away is now known as michi_cc 15:28:19 <Sacro|Laptop> Brianetta: why do you dislike it? 15:29:43 <Brianetta> Ugly networks? 15:29:49 <Brianetta> Why do you think? 15:34:43 <Sacro|Laptop> i dont think its ugly 15:43:27 <Maedhros> hmm, that's strange... http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/orphaned_houses.png 15:46:09 <Darkvater> nice 15:46:26 <Darkvater> newhouses? 15:46:58 <Maedhros> nope, trunk r8943 15:47:56 <Darkvater> ah interesting 15:54:56 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:02:35 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:41 *** glx|away is now known as glx 16:05:26 <Smoovious> I kinda like orphaned houses here and there... 16:05:33 <Smoovious> like, rural people 16:06:08 <Smoovious> maybe have one big orphaned house somewhere, where in the 1980's sometime, suddenly has a bunch of FBI vehicles around it, and then burns up in flames a few months later 16:06:12 <blove> Yeah, they can walk to the nearest road 16:07:28 <Smoovious> I'd still like to see a few orphaned houses spring up in the vicinity of an industry if the station is able to accept passengers, and you deliver a high number of passengers to it 16:07:37 <Smoovious> like in the original TTD demo 16:07:51 <Smoovious> imho, they fixed something that wasn't broke 16:08:23 <Smoovious> population is going to grow more around a transit point, or other places where people need to congregate regularly for extended periods 16:26:46 <DaleStan> Maedhros: pong 16:26:46 <DaleStan> Maedhros: Since you're enum-renaming anyway, the names ENGINE_INTRODUCING and ENGINE_PREVIEWING caused me some confusion; may I suggest ENGINE_EXCLUSIVE(_PREVIEW) and ENGINE_OFFER(_ACTIVE) instead? 16:27:06 <Maedhros> sound sensible 16:27:50 <Maedhros> about modflags bit 6, is that only set for engines, or wagons too? 16:28:41 <Maedhros> and will modflags bit 5 be set if the vehicle being tested isn't a wagon? 16:34:27 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 16:39:02 <DaleStan> Maedhros: 5 and 6 both appear to be set/cleared for all vehicles, engine or wagon. 16:40:44 <Maedhros> ok, thanks. is bit 6 the same for all vehicles in a chain? 16:40:50 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3D5C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:19 <HMage> Darkvater: you here? 16:44:51 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3E671.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:21 <DaleStan> It appears not; bit 6 seems to be "electric vehicle is unpowered here". 16:47:17 *** Chrill [~chrillech@c213-89-192-200.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 16:49:27 <Maedhros> cool, that makes it easier to implement 16:49:32 <Maedhros> thanks DaleStan :) 16:52:10 *** Chrill [~chrillech@c213-89-192-200.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 16:57:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8299C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82F2A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:00:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:01:32 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:04:38 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:53 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:06:11 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:06:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r8944 /trunk/src/ (engine.cpp engine.h): -Codechange: Move the enum describing the bitmask of Engine.flags to engine.h and give the enum values better names. 17:06:46 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 17:18:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r8945 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Codechange: Rename v->load_status to v->vehicle_flags so it can be used for more than just the gradual loading status. 17:25:09 *** lugo [~lugo@pD95818BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:27:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:28:09 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-241-125.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:30:52 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 17:37:43 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 17:40:11 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-241-125.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]] 17:43:49 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has left #openttd [] 17:44:35 <Maedhros> new diff for modflags (just bit 10 for now): http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/modflags_bit10.diff 17:44:45 <Maedhros> much easier to read without the enum renaming :) 17:46:52 <Belugas> another round of comments fixing : http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/Done_H_TrunkDiff.diff 17:46:57 <Belugas> now going for G files 17:47:49 <Belugas> nice for me Maedhros 17:52:26 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-203-146.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:52:29 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-203-146.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:59:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r8946 /trunk/src/ (6 files): 17:59:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: [NewGRF] Add support for vehicle variables 0xFE and 0xFF bit 10, 17:59:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: which is set when a vehicle was built during the exclusive testing phase. 18:02:08 <Belugas> :) 18:06:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 18:07:47 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-53.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 18:08:13 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:10:54 <Digitalfox> Maedhros: What does r8946 do? I mean what does it mean in newgrf play? 18:11:44 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 18:12:32 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:45 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D5A7.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> Digitalfox: i can imagine it's like the prototype version of an engine might look differently than the final version that goes into mass production 18:17:25 <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause2: There are newgrf that makes this? 18:17:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> or it might affect reliability and stuff 18:17:35 <Digitalfox> Didn't know :\ 18:17:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't know any that actually do this 18:17:54 <peter1138> it's fairly new for ttdp too 18:18:49 <Digitalfox> But i like the idea, it's like in real life, where when testing prototypes the final design almost always changes a bit :) 18:20:30 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:35 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 18:21:14 <peter1138> eeeh, freaky 18:21:22 <peter1138> dodgy video mode 18:21:29 <peter1138> displays oddly on my monitor 18:21:51 <peter1138> weird bit is it overlaps the on screen menu 18:32:59 *** kdr_ [materi@h-85-24-203-79.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:32:59 *** kdr [materi@h-85-24-203-79.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:45 *** toto [~toto@82.200.16.29] has joined #openttd 18:38:57 *** toto [~toto@82.200.16.29] has quit [] 18:39:42 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-167.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:46:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host66-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:46:53 <Wolf01> HELLO 18:48:01 <Wolf01> *lolman become deaf* 18:54:49 <lolman> Ello all :) 18:58:51 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:59:58 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 19:03:52 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:05:37 <Darkvater> hi peter1138 19:05:47 <Darkvater> HMage: yes 19:15:48 *** green-devil [~c@0x57355662.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:20:57 <peter1138> GORDON'S ALIVE 19:21:04 <boekabart> the dutch singer? 19:26:50 <Zavior> No, Freeman! 19:28:15 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 19:28:21 <boekabart> Too bad 0.5.0 doesn't compile with latest MS Platform SDK installen 19:28:23 <Darkvater> pff of course he is otherwise we won't have Ep2 19:28:31 <boekabart> Pretty disappointing 19:28:55 <peter1138> no, GORDON 19:29:08 <boekabart> Especially since I spent 2 days working on a fix, testing it on every windows that ever has lived, and then see it ignored. 19:29:18 <boekabart> :( 19:29:30 <boekabart> 3>win32.c 19:29:30 <boekabart> 3>d:\dev\mssdk\v6.0\include\shobjidl.h(5185) : error C2365: 'SORT_DESCENDING' : redefinition; previous definition was 'enumerator' 19:29:30 <boekabart> 3> d:\dev\mysvn\openttd0_32plus\openttd.h(544) : see declaration of 'SORT_DESCENDING' 19:29:30 <boekabart> 3>d:\dev\mssdk\v6.0\include\shobjidl.h(5185) : error C2086: 'tagSORTDIRECTION SORT_DESCENDING' : redefinition 19:29:30 <boekabart> 3> d:\dev\mssdk\v6.0\include\shobjidl.h(5185) : see declaration of 'SORT_DESCENDING' 19:29:31 <boekabart> 3>d:\dev\mssdk\v6.0\include\shobjidl.h(5187) : error C2365: 'SORT_ASCENDING' : redefinition; previous definition was 'enumerator' 19:29:31 <boekabart> 3> d:\dev\mysvn\openttd0_32plus\openttd.h(543) : see declaration of 'SORT_ASCENDING' 19:29:33 <boekabart> 3>d:\dev\mssdk\v6.0\include\shobjidl.h(5187) : error C2086: 'tagSORTDIRECTION SORT_ASCENDING' : redefinition 19:29:33 <boekabart> 3> d:\dev\mssdk\v6.0\include\shobjidl.h(5187) : see declaration of 'SORT_ASCENDING' 19:29:35 <Darkvater> no spamming please 19:29:48 <boekabart> Darkvater: How's this spamming? 19:29:58 <lolman> Use a pastebin :) 19:30:19 <boekabart> ah sorry 'bout that, was supposed to be 2 lines only :( 19:30:45 <Darkvater> hmm, let's see: 1. spamming 9 lines of errors when we know there already is an error 2. spamming the same thing again (you did this 2 weeks ago or something when you found the issue first) 19:31:25 <boekabart> i posted it on the forum 19:31:39 <Darkvater> AND THAT 19:31:41 <Darkvater> oops caps 19:32:08 <boekabart> anyway. just disappointed it didn't get fixed. 19:33:11 <Darkvater> well.. it just slipped my mind through all the release frenzy 19:34:04 <boekabart> i can actually understand that, same stuff happens @ my work. 19:34:22 <peter1138> OPEN FIRE! 19:34:23 <boekabart> I also found out why (almost) no-one got this error: when you first install the SDK, it doesn't register itself in VS2005 19:34:26 <peter1138> all weapons 19:34:47 <Darkvater> peter1138: what are you babbling about? :) 19:34:53 <boekabart> so, install sdk, still using the 'stock sdk' 19:35:05 <Darkvater> well you have to add it to the path 19:35:07 <Darkvater> as is usual 19:35:20 <boekabart> anyway, congrats on the release... big step!! 19:35:33 <peter1138> flash! flash i love you! but you only have 14 hours to save the earth! 19:35:44 * Darkvater gives peter1138 his medication 19:35:49 <Darkvater> there boy, all will be good now 19:35:51 <Darkvater> boekabart: thanks ;) 19:36:55 <boekabart> Darkvater: Do you know of a way to have a p 19:37:09 <boekabart> private svn that easily 'merges/updates' with aother one? 19:37:32 <Darkvater> I think blathijs had one, svk... 19:37:33 <boekabart> (of course i need this to work on own patches, updating with svn.openttd.org) 19:37:40 <Darkvater> but never used it 19:38:16 <boekabart> i have my private svn, but can't even do "svn merge svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.5.0-RC5" target="_blank">svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.5.0-RC5 svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.5.0 " 19:38:30 <peter1138> svk works, but is distinctly non-windows, iirc 19:38:44 <peter1138> otoh, i might be wrong 19:38:45 <boekabart> i'd hope it'd just apply those changes to my 'export' of 0.5.0 but no... :( 19:38:48 <peter1138> it's perl, i guess 19:40:07 <boekabart> and svk does what? 19:40:27 <blathijs> boekabart: svk keeps a local mirror that you can commit to 19:40:32 <blathijs> and you can push commits upstream 19:40:37 <Darkvater> blathijs: pom 19:40:42 <blathijs> pom? 19:40:48 <Darkvater> blathijs: 0.5.0.deb 19:40:48 <peter1138> de terre 19:41:00 <blathijs> Darkvater: soon 19:41:14 <boekabart> blathijs: sounds good... but why isn't a command like i try to do ^^ possible... 19:42:25 <boekabart> you can if you're in a working folder of the same repo.. but what's the big difference... If it would just assume that working copy == left side of merge command ;) 19:43:28 *** KeeperOfTheSoul [~a@dyn-62-56-102-103.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:46:10 <Belugas> pom .. de terre! lol!!! 19:46:35 <peter1138> i'm glad someone appreciated it ;p 19:46:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> this could be funny, but i don't get over it being totally wrong :p 19:48:50 <boekabart> svk is available for win32... a private area on the official svn would be so much easier though :) 19:49:19 <boekabart> smth like svn://svn.openttd.org/home/boekabart/ :) 19:49:44 <Belugas> "pom" : strange word by Darkater. "de terre" might look like another strange word. "pomme de terre" is french for potato 19:50:07 <Belugas> thus... pom de terre is funny from an english speaker like peter1138 ;) 19:50:10 <Belugas> tadammm 19:50:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i know that 19:54:32 <Darkvater> HMage: could it be that you are getting clicks because you have a high-end soundcard? I read this on one of the google results and am just now testing it on the laptop and there are no clicks 19:54:46 <Darkvater> HMage: http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=558923#558923 19:55:30 <HMage> Darkvater: high-end soundcard is, essentially, a soundcard without hardware acceleration. You should be getting same results by forcing software mixing. 19:55:40 <HMage> and setting primary buffer to 44100Hz 19:56:09 <Darkvater> what kind of a high-end soundcard is one that doesn't have hw acc? 19:56:19 <Darkvater> I'd call that cheapo-trash 19:56:30 <hylje> :o 19:57:18 <HMage> Darkvater: because in professional stuff, every thing does only one thing it's supposed to do - output audio in precise detail. Resampling, hardware acceleration for DirectX, etc, are for consumer market. 19:58:00 <Darkvater> so high-end is only high-quality parts and a very good driver? 19:58:06 <HMage> yes 19:58:10 <Darkvater> hmm 19:58:18 * Darkvater is not buying high-end soundcards ;) 19:58:27 <HMage> yes, you don't need these 19:58:35 <hylje> professional stuff is generally not useful for consumers 19:58:41 <hylje> also way expensive 19:59:53 <KeeperOfTheSoul> course, you can buy resampling hardware components to go with that sound card as well :) 19:59:54 <HMage> Darkvater: to reproduce the problems I had - set primary buffer to 44100, and force mixing in software (set secondary buffer flags). Also, it should be windows XP (XP has kMixer, 2000 and earlier has something else, and Vista has new layout for that stuff) 19:59:58 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:00:25 <Darkvater> I had XP here 20:00:52 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 20:00:52 <Darkvater> well, I'll see what the vista users will say and might add it as a secondary driver. eg winmm first then dsound 20:01:13 <HMage> vista has different resampler engine, it was completely re-written from scratch. 20:02:14 <HMage> from your post "I don't like throwing out the buffers after the sound has played (memory fragmentation), but can't keep all sounds in memory either (80/90 samples?). " <-- directsound is giving you address to hardware buffers if possible. 20:02:31 <HMage> so you're writing to hardware-accelerated card directly 20:05:22 <HMage> Darkvater: should I post steps to reproduce in the thread? 20:05:33 <Darkvater> sure, you can post hell.sav as well :) 20:05:42 <HMage> :D:D 20:06:59 <HMage> Darkvater: and what about posting link to mp3 I recorded? 20:07:23 <Darkvater> if you want 20:12:18 <peter1138> still 20:12:23 <lolman> If you need someone to test that on Vista I'll do it :P 20:12:29 <hylje> omg 20:12:31 <hylje> vista 20:12:35 <peter1138> i suppose with a high quality sound card you'd get high quality clicks... 20:12:36 <hylje> its liek expensive 20:12:48 <lolman> I paid nothing for it ;-) 20:12:51 <Darkvater> lol peter1138 20:13:15 <hylje> lolman: YARRR! 20:13:27 <lolman> hylje: me dad bought me it :P 20:13:36 <Smoovious> do the hangar windows seem bigger to anyone else? 20:13:46 <peter1138> it's also crap 20:14:04 <peter1138> bjarni probably did something to them 20:14:22 <Smoovious> k, will ask him then when I talk to him about something else 20:14:52 <Smoovious> dunno why anyone is upgrading to Vista in such a rush... they were already working on SP1 before Vista got released... better to wait for the SP 20:15:29 <hylje> they are already working on the successor of vista too 20:15:53 <lolman> Yep 20:17:01 <hylje> although i somewhat enjoy my gentoo box 20:17:14 <Smoovious> if they'd just stop, and concentrate on the current version, they'd have a hell of a product... but the way they keep going like they are, they just have a product that's hell 20:17:15 <hylje> i just should burn that rescue cd to let me log in to my lappy 20:17:29 <hylje> Smoovious: apple does just that 20:17:45 <Smoovious> just what 20:17:53 <Smoovious> (don't know which way you're going with that) 20:18:13 <lolman> Hmm, sound's stuttering slightly...lol 20:18:41 <hylje> Smoovious: they've been on their current codebase since 2001 20:19:01 <lolman> MS have been on theirs since 1996 LOL 20:19:27 <hylje> yep, totally NT 20:19:48 <hylje> but it hasn't improved much, the fundamentals have actually gotten worse 20:20:28 <Smoovious> yeah, but M$ doesn't put the attention into making it better... they just wanna get out another round of product so they can start locking people out of the previous versions so they can get another revenue cycle off the ground 20:23:16 <lolman> Is it worth grabbing the binary Darkvater put on the forum to fix the sound issues, or wait a bit while a "better" solution is found? 20:23:21 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Crackdown 20:23:38 <Darkvater> lolman: it's for testing, but the workaround is in the 0.5.0 thread 20:25:49 <peter1138> just turn off sound 20:25:51 <peter1138> or 20:25:53 <peter1138> use a decent os 20:26:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.227] has joined #openttd 20:26:09 <lolman> peter1138: shush LOL 20:26:17 <hylje> linux sounds are PERFECT 20:26:27 <peter1138> as are win9x :p 20:26:54 <lolman> As are Vista with the larger buffer ;-) 20:27:20 <peter1138> everything about vista is large 20:27:33 <hylje> s/large/bloated/ 20:27:35 <carwe> the bill... 20:27:43 <HMage> actually, Vista has become more strict with buffer positioning. 20:28:08 <HMage> other software that uses same interface didn't suffer I heard. 20:29:24 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:29:41 <lolman> If I wanna use Linux stuff, I can use this box :) 21:00:45 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 21:01:00 <Darkvater> glx: ping 21:01:09 <glx> pong 21:03:05 <Darkvater> the wm_char changes work nicely indeed 21:03:08 <Belugas> autoreply: poing 21:03:32 <Darkvater> only I think we are not handling some keyboard notification as sometimes the language'icon in the taskbar disappears 21:03:35 <Darkvater> after a change 21:03:40 <Darkvater> kinda flaky 21:04:04 <glx> I noticed it too 21:04:58 <glx> and for chinese if we are in non-english mode shortcuts don't work 21:05:35 <Darkvater> and for english the "'" doesn't register? 21:06:39 <glx> sorry I can't dinstinguish :) 21:06:46 <glx> you mean backquote? 21:06:49 <Darkvater> ' 21:06:51 <Darkvater> AND 21:06:52 <Darkvater> " 21:07:13 <Darkvater> hmm the . doesn't either 21:07:53 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]] 21:08:22 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:22 <Darkvater> I think some translation or something is missing 21:09:20 <Darkvater> . is recognized as WKC_RIGHT 21:10:31 * Darkvater thinks it's MapWindowsKey 21:11:05 <Darkvater> since WM_CHAR already translates the characters 21:11:19 <Darkvater> so this certainly needs some changes 21:12:20 <glx> yes in WM_CHAR we no longer have the virtualkey 21:14:20 <Darkvater> so some retranslation is need to OTTD_map and handling the keyboard notifications 21:19:40 <Darkvater> ;llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll 21:19:51 <peter1138> speaking of translation 21:21:21 <Darkvater> eek 21:21:24 <Darkvater> sorry :O 21:23:13 <glx> hmm & and ( are not displayed either 21:24:39 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage] 21:42:38 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C1E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:40 <Darkvater> nini 21:49:54 <Roel> We are the Knights Who Say... 'Ni'! 21:51:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:52:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:57:57 <Belugas> Byt bye and enjoythe nigh 22:09:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8947 /branches/cpp_gui/src/ (misc/countedptr.hpp widget/widget.h widget/widget_base.cpp): [cpp_gui] -Codechange: proprietary smart pointer adapter replaced by generic one 22:20:26 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 22:28:33 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:30:12 *** Rens2Crackdown [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:32:09 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC53F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:08 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 22:40:35 * XeryusTC pokes Belugas or peter1138 or any other newhouses dev 22:40:43 <XeryusTC> or someone who can hack the mainserver ofcourse 22:41:11 <Rubidium> why would anyone want to hack the mainserver? 22:41:47 <Rubidium> ah, the version name is too long? 22:43:53 *** Netsplit osmotic.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: CIA-1, DaleStan, Noldo, egladil, Naksu_, Wolf01, blove, izhirahider, KeeperOfTheSoul, Prof_Frink, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:44:19 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:45:32 *** Netsplit over, joins: KeeperOfTheSoul, Wolf01, Smoovious, DaleStan, Prof_Frink, @Belugas, blove, izhirahider, Naksu_, eQualize1 (+3 more) 22:45:33 <XeryusTC> Rubidium: exactly 22:45:40 <XeryusTC> splitz0lz 22:46:43 <XeryusTC> Rubidium: the problem is that the last character gets cut of the version name, and now OTTD thinks it has a different version from the server 22:46:58 <XeryusTC> meaning that you will have to connect through using the connect command or command line 22:47:13 <Rubidium> I know 22:47:23 <XeryusTC> quite annoying 22:48:36 <Rubidium> I'm pondering what the best solution is 22:49:41 <XeryusTC> a) renaming the newhouses branch b) changing some mainserver stuff c) cut the lenght of the version string by 1 char :P 22:49:47 <XeryusTC> one of those things would work for me 22:49:51 <XeryusTC> oh 22:50:09 <XeryusTC> d) make the client only check the first x characters of the version 22:50:17 <Rubidium> the mainserver does not send the version string to the client 22:50:25 <XeryusTC> oh 22:50:36 <Rubidium> the client gets that string from the server (in the same way as the mainserver gets the string from the server) 22:51:09 <XeryusTC> cant you increase the packet size by 1 byte? 22:51:59 <Rubidium> yes, but when newindustries come the problem will resurface 22:52:25 <XeryusTC> well 22:52:29 <Rubidium> but d seems to be the best solution 22:52:29 <XeryusTC> i would suggest D then 22:53:51 <Frostregen> wouldn't that introduce confusion? 22:55:07 <Rubidium> not as much as MSVC compiles always (except tags) using norev000 22:55:51 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 22:57:57 <Frostregen> ok... 23:00:21 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:53 <Frostregen> btw, if you download the windows svn-server binaries, there is an "svnversion" included 23:02:41 <XeryusTC> you mean the application or the version tag? 23:02:50 <Frostregen> the application 23:02:55 <Rubidium> I know, but almost nobody uses those 23:03:33 <XeryusTC> ah well 23:03:47 <XeryusTC> it would be awesome to see D implemented 23:05:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.227] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:06:57 <Rubidium> http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/svn_and_MSVC.diff <- to get automatic version determining working in MSVC _if_ you have the required vbs and subversion installed and configured properly (it fairly old though) 23:07:18 <XeryusTC> Rubidium: that is not my problem atm ;) 23:08:30 <Rubidium> true, but I haven't made such a patch before (as I did for the MSVC and svn stuff) 23:08:47 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip22.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 23:09:48 <Frostregen> i switched to mingw+msys anyway, since msvc6 support was dropped 23:09:51 <Frostregen> but thx 23:12:18 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip22.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 23:12:54 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:36 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip22.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 23:25:54 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 23:28:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> <XeryusTC> Rubidium: the problem is that the last character gets cut of the version name, and now OTTD thinks it has a different version from the server <- "ugly" workaround, change the version string to "norev000" (used to be 'make RELEASE=', don't know if that changed) 23:28:53 <XeryusTC> Eddi|zuHause2: the thing is that it would need custom builds 23:30:18 <Frostregen> fyi: it is done by "./configure --revision=r1234" now. 23:33:59 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-159-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:14 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:26 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 23:39:14 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:54 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-141-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:09 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:43:16 <XeryusTC> Rubidium: to continue the solving of my problem, do you think option D is a good method to implement? 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