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00:03:16 <AmpCoder> Hello 00:03:55 <Sacro|Laptop> HI 00:04:46 <Sacro|Laptop> oops 00:13:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9056 /branches/newhouses/ (296 files in 17 dirs): [NewHouses] -Sync with trunk r8970:9055. 00:14:36 <Sacro|Laptop> :o newhouses is over 9000 00:18:03 <Rubidium> how horrible :) 00:18:12 <Sacro|Laptop> :o 00:18:22 <Nigel> hmm, whats New Houses like these days? 00:19:37 <Rubidium> Nigel hasn't checked it recently? 00:19:54 <Nigel> lets just say Busy? 00:20:06 <Nigel> Exams, Conferences and what nots 00:20:40 <Sacro|Laptop> ooh what nots 00:20:46 <Rubidium> it's nearly finished I believe 00:21:19 <Nigel> so thats one more TTD-Orig grf depend gone? 00:21:35 <Rubidium> not really 00:21:48 <Rubidium> not more gone than before at least 00:25:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9057 /branches/newhouses/src/ (table/town_land.h town_cmd.cpp): [NewHouses] -Fix: global variable missed the underscore prefix. 00:28:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9058 /branches/32bpp/ (301 files in 18 dirs): [32bpp] -Sync with trunk r8961:9055. 00:28:57 <Sacro|Laptop> :D 00:29:01 <Sacro|Laptop> ITS OVER NINE THOUSAND 00:29:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> come back when it is over nine million 00:29:49 <Sacro|Laptop> oooOOOooo 00:35:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9059 /branches/32bpp/src/ (fileio.h players.cpp): [32bpp] -Fix: indent by tabs instead of spaces. 00:40:06 *** Born_Aco_ [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 00:41:50 *** AmpCoder [~AmpCoder@r41h97.res.gatech.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:48:41 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB52BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 00:50:47 <DJ-ProsiT> hmm isnt there a 3d version of tt? 00:55:08 *** caladan [~caladan@161-be2-18.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:58:55 <Sacro|Laptop> kinda 00:59:49 <DJ-ProsiT> hmm could be kinda fun to find a MMO of tt ;P 01:02:03 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage] 01:02:19 <Sacro|Laptop> err... no 01:03:15 <DJ-ProsiT> hmm why not 01:14:15 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-204-193.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:16:35 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:21:58 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 01:27:55 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 01:28:33 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:30:22 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [] 01:33:54 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 01:34:28 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:00:00 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31:21 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B764AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:50 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75890.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:38:50 *** Sacro|Laptop [Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:44:08 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:54:03 *** Binky [~chatzilla@206.9.101.201] has joined #openttd 02:59:29 <Nigel> oh, i've struck an issue 02:59:57 <Nigel> i can't delete a section of road, even though i have Excellent LA rating 03:00:52 <Nigel> (It's a cresent) 03:01:17 <glx> where is this section of road? 03:01:36 <glx> is it connected to other section of road on both sides? 03:02:33 <BFM> place rail over it, delete it, gone. ^_^ 03:02:39 <Nigel> a cresent is a road that connects to the same road in two places 03:02:42 <Nigel> BFM: let me see 03:03:12 <Nigel> BFM: nope 03:03:31 <Nigel> glx: it's basically two corners, with a section of road in between 03:03:37 <Nigel> (it went around a house) 03:03:51 <BFM> bugger 03:04:35 <glx> you can only remove road if it has only one connection 03:04:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> BFM: that has not worked in ages 03:04:50 <BFM> Heh, I haven't played it in about a year :$ 03:05:06 <BFM> DOwnloaded 1.5 the other day though... 03:05:06 <Nigel> glx: right, but it links back, which is a bit annoying 03:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> Nigel: have you checked the patch setting that allows removal of additional roads? 03:05:37 <glx> BFM: where did you find it??? 03:05:53 <Nigel> Eddi|zuHause3: bingo 03:05:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> i want to have version 1.5 too ;) 03:06:11 <Binky> Hi. 03:06:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> must have an awesome lot of new features :p 03:06:30 <BFM> oops! 03:06:39 <BFM> typo :P Busy working and chatting =\ my bad 03:06:42 <glx> and I think it doesn't need ttd files 03:07:11 <Binky> :P 03:07:42 <Binky> :? 03:07:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think it's really not TTD without TTD files ;) 03:08:09 <Binky> Nope. :p 03:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> (i.e. even if it does not NEED them, they would still be a nice-to-have) 03:08:40 <Binky> :? 03:09:24 *** Binky [~chatzilla@206.9.101.201] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]] 03:09:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> there are strange people around the internet... 03:44:29 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-145-137.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]] 03:58:02 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-145-137.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:00:49 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6CD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:11:18 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-145-137.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]] 04:15:38 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:18:46 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:16 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 04:24:53 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6CD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:53:49 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 05:02:28 *** ammler_away [~ammler@adsl-84-227-163-209.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:15:50 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498D52A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:25:19 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:37:03 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-73-120.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:45:10 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 05:53:09 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:23:24 *** DebolazY [~root@office.nsn.no] has joined #openttd 06:30:03 *** DebolazX [~root@office.nsn.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:41:40 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:48:44 *** Lebber [~djprosit@82.147.246.195.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk] has joined #openttd 06:48:49 *** DJ-ProsiT [~djprosit@82.147.246.195.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:08:06 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498D2A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:08:51 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 07:43:18 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D5F6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:44:47 <blathijs> Rubidium: From reading the irc log, it seems this ubuntu guy just looked in the wrong directory? He didn't say where he "found" the files eventually 07:54:38 *** maddy [~maddy@86.75.135.146] has joined #openttd 08:11:33 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 08:42:28 <boekabart_> Could it be that networking is totally non-functional in 9055? 08:42:37 <boekabart_> first try 'protocol error' 08:42:44 <boekabart_> second try: server full 08:43:42 <boekabart_> after that smth about lost 08:43:44 <Rubidium> boekabart_: how did you get the binary? Nightly, self compiled? 08:43:59 <boekabart_> self 08:44:04 <Rubidium> with MSVC? 08:44:09 <boekabart_> vs2005 yes 08:45:02 <Rubidium> that allows you to connect to all and every server, but any server that has a revision that doesn't match your revesion will most likely give such errors 08:45:15 <Rubidium> you have to connect to a server with exactly the same revision 08:45:44 <Rubidium> but MSVC and subversion version fetching is almost impossibly to accomplish 08:49:48 <Rubidium> boekabart_: don't know whether you know how our network game works, but it is safe to assume that you need exactly the same revision (even the same local modifications) to be able to play the game without (much chance of) desyncs. 08:50:34 <boekabart_> it's same exe 08:50:49 <boekabart_> same exact folder copied to another system 08:52:25 <Rubidium> are you 100% certain that you are running the same binary, i.e. the other system might be running in another folder than the one you copied 08:53:41 <Rubidium> this question because it just works flawless on my system 09:02:55 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-163-209.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:06:45 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 09:30:01 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 09:33:54 <boekabart_> did it again; started all from scratch 09:34:00 <boekabart_> same exe, 100% sure 09:34:12 <peter1138> flawlessly 09:34:39 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] Client 4 made an error and has been disconnected. Reason: 'received strange packet' 09:34:59 <boekabart_> after joining company 'UNNAMED' and entering server password 09:36:20 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:29 <Rubidium> ah, that's much better (now I get it too) 09:36:48 <boekabart_> I have a full report, shall i put in on flyspray? 09:37:02 <Rubidium> you can do that 09:40:18 <boekabart_> exe trunk@9055, built with vs2005 09:40:18 <boekabart_> Server started with: 09:40:19 <boekabart_> openttd -D -f scenario\myScen.scn [Scenario just created with same exe] 09:40:19 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] [core] starting network... 09:40:19 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] [core] loading windows socket library 09:40:20 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] [core] network online, multiplayer available 09:40:20 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] Detected broadcast addresses: 09:40:22 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] 0) 80.57.55.255 09:40:22 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] 1) 192.168.0.255 09:40:26 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] Listening on 0.0.0.0:3979 09:40:26 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] [udp] listening on port 0.0.0.0:3979 09:40:28 <boekabart_> *** Game paused (not enough players) 09:40:28 <boekabart_> < CLIENT ENTERS MULTIPLAYER MENU, WHERE SERVER IS LISTED > 09:40:28 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] [udp] queried from '81.58.27.138' 09:40:28 <boekabart_> < CLIENT CLICKS JOIN > 09:40:30 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] [udp] queried from '81.58.27.138' 09:40:30 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] Client connected from 81.58.27.138 on frame 1769 09:40:32 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] Closed client connection 2 09:40:32 <boekabart_> < CLIENT CLICKS ON TOP OF COMPANY LIST > 09:40:34 <boekabart_> < CLIENT CLICKS CANCEL > 09:40:34 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] [udp] queried from '81.58.27.138' 09:40:36 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] [udp] queried from '81.58.27.138' 09:40:36 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] Client connected from 81.58.27.138 on frame 3709 09:40:38 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] Closed client connection 3 09:40:38 <boekabart_> < CLIENT CLICKS JOIN > 09:40:40 <boekabart_> < CLIENT: List lists 1 company (where did it come from) UNNAMED > 09:40:40 <boekabart_> < CLIENT Clicks Join company > 09:40:42 <boekabart_> < CLIENT asks for server password, entered correctly > 09:40:42 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] Client connected from 81.58.27.138 on frame 3896 09:40:44 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] Client 4 made an error and has been disconnected. Reason: 'received strange packet' 09:40:44 <boekabart_> dbg: [net] Closed client connection 4 09:40:46 <boekabart_> < CLIENT: network game connection lost > 09:40:46 <boekabart_> SORRY!!! 09:40:48 <boekabart_> SORRY! that was a bad paste 09:40:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:40:56 <boekabart_> what I meant to write: CLIENT: A protocol error was made and the network connection was lost 09:41:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r9060 /branches/gamebalance/src/fixedt.h: [gamebalance] -Add: Added the two basic trigonometric functions (sine / cosine) for variables of types FixedT, so that we can compute periodic fluctuations. 09:41:59 <boekabart_> Posted: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/668 09:46:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9061 /trunk/src/network/network_server.cpp: -Fix [r9038, FS#668]: passwords are send when the server is in the 'authorizing' state, not 'inactive'. 09:47:27 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-163-209.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:30 <Rubidium> that should fix it 09:48:55 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 09:52:12 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:56:07 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 10:00:20 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:20 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 10:05:48 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-73-120.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:12 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-175-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:11:18 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:17 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-167-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:21 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 10:20:49 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 10:23:48 <boekabart_> Rubidium: Tryin... 10:39:22 *** Maedhros [~jc@smtp.gentoo.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:39:40 *** Maedhros [~jc@smtp.gentoo.org] has joined #openttd 10:47:43 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 10:47:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:54 <boekabart_> Rubidium: You da man, fixed 10:57:32 <boekabart_> Now this (was already in 9055: dbg: [net] [core] shutting down network takes forever. (more than 5 minutes at least). Always, even when no client has been connected at all (start -> quit) 10:59:44 <Rubidium> boekabart_: the only thing OTTD does is call WSACleanup 11:00:02 <boekabart_> that's a winsock fn? 11:02:15 <Rubidium> yup 11:03:14 <Rubidium> or there must be trouble with closing the video, music or sound drivers, saving the config 11:06:57 <boekabart_> it's a -D server 11:07:52 <Rubidium> then it's strange 11:08:10 <Rubidium> but hardly anything I can debug as I haven't experienced it myself nor do I have windows 11:08:21 <boekabart_> i'll try to dbg 11:08:53 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:49 <boekabart_> It's strange 11:32:11 <boekabart_> everything shuts down OK, tdd_main and WinMain return 0, then locks 11:32:19 <boekabart_> as if it's waiting for a thread to terminate? 11:33:34 <Rubidium> how long does saving a small game (128x128) take? 11:35:25 <boekabart_> I know. The CheckForConsoleInput thread is still waiting for console imput 11:35:31 <boekabart_> if i press enter again after quit, it quite 11:35:32 <boekabart_> quits 11:37:55 <boekabart_> The console thread isn't terminated until fgets returns :( 11:39:57 <Rubidium> ok, that's something I cannot fix. You can either talk with glx or make a report @ flyspray so I get remembered so I can glx look at it 11:44:35 <boekabart_> i'll make a rept 11:54:23 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-120-195.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:13:47 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-144-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r9062 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Fix (r4822, FS#595): The station list, sorted by cargo rating, now takes stations into account that have no cargo waiting (KeeperOfTheSoul). While at it, doxygen the function 12:28:46 *** lugo [~lugo@pD95825AB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:21 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 12:35:37 *** llugo [~lugo@pD9580ACF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9063 /trunk/Makefile.in: -Add: allow OPENTTD_ARGS as env-option for 'make run'. 'OPENTTD_ARGS="-snull" make run' now runs ./openttd -snull in correct dir. 12:41:13 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:44:21 <ln-> is lim n^n / n!, n->oo something else than infinity? 12:45:39 <Rubidium> it's 0 afaik 12:46:27 <Rubidium> oh, uhm.. no, it should be inifinity 12:46:31 <Rubidium> why? 12:46:55 * Rubidium should think that n^n is equivalent to n*n :) 12:47:54 <ln-> i have such a math exercise here, and i'm always suspicious when the answer seems to be so obvious. 12:47:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> infinity sounds alright 12:48:02 <Rubidium> it's infinity because n*n*n*...*n > n*(n-1)*(n-2)*...*1 12:48:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> ">" is not a real argument ;) 12:48:20 <peter1138> n^n and n*n are equivalent? 12:48:39 <Rubidium> peter1138: s/should/shouldn't/ :) 12:48:56 <peter1138> oh 12:50:52 <ln-> e^(2n)/4^n, n->oo is also infinity in my opinion. 12:51:05 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause3: true, but looking at the sequence you can see that n^n is at least infinite times larger than n!, because in that the 1 in n! is infinite in n^n 12:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: that one's easy, just transform it to (e^2/4)^n 12:52:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> then q^n goes to infinity for q>1 12:53:36 <ln-> oh yes 12:54:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> to the first one, i'd probably prove that n!/n^n goes to 0 (by quotient criterium for example), then the inverse goes to infinity, obviously 12:55:26 <ln-> fortunately this exercise does not ask for a proof. :) 12:56:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's because it is always asked implicitly for proof 12:57:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> and "some guy on IRC told me" is hardly a valid explanation ;) 12:57:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9064 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#663]: don't keep on scrolling for non-numeric values in settings, but require reclick 12:57:58 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc115-49.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:01:03 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 13:05:00 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-152-172.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 13:05:27 <Progman> \o/ 13:14:51 <jordi> blathijs: are we ready to upload? 13:14:53 <jordi> what's missing? 13:22:00 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc115-49.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28:34 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1FBAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:46 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 13:45:58 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 13:46:15 *** glx|away is now known as glx 13:49:07 *** DJ-ProsiT [~djprosit@82.147.246.195.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk] has joined #openttd 13:49:13 *** Lebber [~djprosit@82.147.246.195.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9065 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix: possible dereference of NULL pointer. 14:00:35 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:00:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 14:02:21 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage] 14:06:18 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:00 <blathijs> jordi: Uh, nothing really I think :-) 14:10:31 <blathijs> jordi: I was going to wait for my laptop to be fixed, so I had my original build environment, but the RMA folks screwed up 14:10:58 <blathijs> jordi: But I have a source package ready, it's just unsigned atm 14:12:13 <blathijs> jordi: I have the files at http://kat.student.utwente.nl/~matthijs/openttd/deb/openttd/build-area 14:19:21 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387D5F6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:21:16 <jordi> blathijs: I need to build it myself so if you have a source I can look at, I'll upload. 14:21:20 <jordi> okay 14:21:24 <jordi> mm 14:21:28 <jordi> my key is offline atm 14:21:34 <jordi> but that shouldn't be ap roblem 14:21:46 <jordi> there's plenty of people wh can sign it for me 14:22:52 <Smoovious> is there an index that shows which news items are linked to which news category? (say for example, I wanted to see all of the news items that will be displayed in the NT_GENERAL category?) 14:25:28 <jordi> blathijs: uh are we in alioth yet? 14:28:06 <jordi> - -- Matthijs Kooijman <m.kooijman@student.utwente.nl> Mon, 23 May 2005 13:04:24 +0200 14:28:09 <jordi> + -- Matthijs Kooijman <matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl> Mon, 23 May 2005 13:04:24 +0200 14:28:13 <jordi> blathijs: why this change? 14:28:38 <blathijs> ah, because my build env is different 14:28:41 <jordi> you should use the same address as what is declared in debian/control 14:28:50 <jordi> yeah, but I fixed it in my diff 14:28:53 <jordi> now it's back 14:29:01 <blathijs> I didn't have EMAIL set in this environment yet 14:29:10 <jordi> DEBEMAIL better 14:29:13 <blathijs> jordi: It's just for the latest entry, right? 14:29:17 <jordi> nope 14:29:19 <jordi> there's a few 14:29:20 <blathijs> hmm, 14:29:24 <blathijs> lemme see 14:29:31 <jordi> I'll sed it, don't worry 14:29:51 <jordi> what about collab-maint? 14:30:05 <blathijs> (I was looking at importing my svn to collab-maint right now) 14:30:38 <jordi> wait a bit then 14:30:48 <jordi> so you can import the final 0.5.0-1 14:31:06 <blathijs> not import the history? 14:31:12 <jordi> oh 14:31:19 <jordi> you already have asvn tree? 14:31:29 <blathijs> yes 14:31:32 <jordi> oh I see 14:31:36 <blathijs> 76 revs :-) 14:31:37 <jordi> okay 14:31:47 <hylje> ? 14:31:50 <jordi> I guess I have no access to collab-maint tho 14:31:53 <jordi> let me ping #alioth 14:34:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9066 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Fix [FS#638]: store the owner of a statue, so when it gets removed, the town is notified of it 14:36:47 <jordi> blathijs: [ Jordi Mallach ] 14:36:47 <jordi> * Depend on ${misc:Depends}, not debconf directly. 14:36:55 <jordi> I added this 14:37:15 <jordi> blathijs: so I already have access to collab-maint, being a dd 14:37:18 <jordi> so all is good 14:37:35 <jordi> import your stuff and I'll commit this stuff and go for a final build. 14:38:34 <jordi> blathijs: hrm, bad. Something convereted my precious utf-8 ca.po to latin1. 14:38:45 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB51C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:38:55 <Smoovious> yay's to FS#638 14:39:55 <Rubidium> Smoovious: won't make it into 0.5 though 14:40:15 <Smoovious> that's ok... just so long as it is in there somewhere 14:40:28 <Smoovious> I'm still working on my own task right now... 14:40:47 <blathijs> jordi: ah, that might be svn or something. I think I screwed up the encoding somewhere 14:40:48 <jordi> er isn't 0.5 released? 14:40:52 <jordi> nod 14:40:52 <Smoovious> think when I finish this I might go through and try to compile a list of all of the news items, and what category they belong to 14:40:53 <blathijs> it is 14:41:07 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-152-172.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:11 <jordi> blathijs: I made a minor change to the template: 14:41:16 <Smoovious> something I have always wanted to have since TTDO 14:41:22 <jordi> TTD -> Transport Tycoon Deluxe, for clarity 14:41:26 <Smoovious> er TTO 14:41:28 <Smoovious> not TTD 14:41:36 <Smoovious> er, not TTDO 14:41:37 <jordi> uh? 14:41:42 <Smoovious> original 14:41:52 <ln-> jordi: he's talking about something else 14:41:57 <Smoovious> ya 14:42:02 <jordi> OpenTTD needs the data files from the original Transport Tycoon Deluxe game [...] 14:42:02 <Smoovious> sorry, jordi 14:42:10 <jordi> oh, ok, heh 14:42:15 * Smoovious grins. 14:42:46 * Smoovious goes back to trying to figure out which news items belongs to NT_GENERAL 14:44:22 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-152-172.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 14:44:44 <ln-> jordi: is there a habit of indicating trademarks with a (R) or something, because Transport Tycoon Deluxe is a registered one. 14:45:00 <jordi> I was wondering 14:45:07 <jordi> I think I should add it 14:45:18 <jordi> but that'd be (TM), not ®? 14:45:23 * Smoovious tips his black hat. 14:45:33 <ln-> ® for registered... 14:46:27 <jordi> ln-: openttd.org doesn't use this afaict 14:46:40 <jordi> "OpenTTD is a clone of the Microprose game "Transport Tycoon Deluxe", a popular game originally written by Chris Sawyer." 14:47:08 <ln-> jordi: but they don't seem to be using ® at all, not with Microprose® either. 14:47:10 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 14:47:54 <ln-> actually "Transport Tycoon" is the registered trademark, the Deluxe is not. 14:47:55 <Smoovious> well, at the time, I don't think they had much in the way of unicode available, since it was originally a DOS game 14:48:05 <ln-> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=3flnu3.4.1 (this link may not work) 14:48:35 <ln-> ® never required unicode. 14:48:53 <Smoovious> depending on the code-page in use 14:48:59 <jordi> ® is nice latin1 14:49:40 <Smoovious> anyways, not my problem. :) >goes back to work< 14:49:51 <jordi> bah 14:49:52 <jordi> you win 14:49:55 <jordi> I'll add the ® 14:50:04 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:51:20 <ln-> this line is interesting: Renewal 1ST RENEWAL 20060926 14:51:46 <jordi> wow yes 14:52:52 <jordi> blathijs: I'm ready to go now 14:53:02 <blathijs> jordi: I'm importing the svn, just a moment 14:53:05 <jordi> if you import, I'll commit and build out of svn 14:53:06 <jordi> k 14:53:10 <blathijs> jordi: makes it easier to share stuff :-) 14:53:16 <jordi> yeah :D 14:55:16 <blathijs> hmm, I just remembered that my alioth account might be borked 14:55:54 <blathijs> they screwed up something a while back, but probably ssh and svn should still work I think 14:56:31 <jordi> yeah they fucked up big time 14:56:39 <jordi> so 14:56:50 <jordi> can of worms opening 14:57:00 <jordi> has anyone considered autotools for openttd? :) 14:57:21 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 14:57:54 <jordi> dpkg-deb: building package `openttd' in `../openttd_0.5.0-1_amd64.deb'. 14:57:56 <jordi> woot 14:57:59 <Ailure> hmm 14:58:16 <Ailure> :o 14:58:19 <Ailure> Mergeable 14:58:53 <blathijs> jordi: good, my ssh account still works 14:58:59 <jordi> great 15:02:09 <jordi> lintian is quiet about the .deb 15:02:10 <jordi> good 15:03:06 <peter1138> autotools == yuck 15:04:06 <jordi> static makefiles aren't too portable tho 15:04:40 <jordi> blathijs: I'm publishing these debs & sources so our secret ftpmaster can see 15:05:49 <Rubidium> jordi: most of the makefile system is rewritten, but that won't hit stable releases until 0.6 15:06:13 <jordi> Rubidium: nod, but it's still a static system, right? 15:06:33 <jordi> I wonder how it'd react to a kfreebsd-amd64 compilation, for example 15:07:05 <Rubidium> probably not very well 15:07:17 <Rubidium> though I wonder how autotools works in mingw 15:07:18 * jordi hails blathijs to get the inject done 15:07:22 <Rubidium> or a crosscompiler 15:07:36 <blathijs> jordi: I'm currently multitasking with some other project, so have patience ;-) 15:07:41 <jordi> okay 15:08:15 <jordi> blathijs: in any case, our man is interested in having a look (read, probably letting the packages in soonish) but is now at work. We'll ping again tonight 15:09:05 <ln-> would those go into unstable/main or what? 15:10:12 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:10:14 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:21 <blathijs> jordi: importing now 15:11:44 <blathijs> jordi: good point, they would be contrib I think? Since you need datafiles? 15:13:09 *** carwe [~carwe@p54B37144.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:18:58 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:35 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:19:45 *** DebolazX [~root@office.nsn.no] has joined #openttd 15:20:56 *** TinoM|Mobil is now known as Tino|couch 15:24:56 <blathijs> jordi: It should be done 15:25:47 *** DebolazY [~root@office.nsn.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:51 <blathijs> /svn/collab-maint/deb-maint/openttd 15:28:31 *** Tino|couch [~tino@i5387D5F6.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:29:51 <jordi> blathijs: it goes in contrib 15:32:44 <jordi> looks great 15:33:33 <blathijs> now, let's see how I can get my alioth password back :-) 15:33:38 <ln-> argument: `cat' should go into contrib, because it doesn't ship with proper input files. :) 15:34:13 <jordi> ln-: bzzt :P 15:34:15 *** illu is now known as dp 15:34:41 <jordi> there's plenty of proper free files in the main section 15:34:49 <jordi> but no data files in main :) 15:38:13 <blathijs> We could argue that openttd is a grf file viewer :-) 15:38:25 <Sacro> blathijs: it is :) 15:39:59 <ln-> will we see openttd in etch, or the next one? 15:41:33 <Smoovious> does it matter what order the variables in variables.h struct Patches is in? 15:43:21 <peter1138> no 15:43:42 <Smoovious> coo 15:43:44 <Smoovious> thnx 15:44:03 * Smoovious scribbles notes. 15:44:50 <blathijs> ln-: unsure 15:50:07 <ln-> or the one after that... 15:50:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9067 /trunk/src/unmovable_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#637]: don't make owner signs transparent, as then you loose the information who it owns 15:50:31 <Smoovious> which lang file should I make additions to, or won't it matter? 15:50:54 <blathijs> jordi: We should probably bump the version to -2, to prevent confusion with the release on SF 15:52:12 <jordi> mkay 15:52:39 <jordi> the changes are not important though 15:56:28 *** OwenS [~OwenS@5ac0cdc3.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:34 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:02:34 <blathijs> jordi: still, best not confuse them I guess 16:03:47 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 16:08:39 <jordi> blathijs: I expect we'll be required to do changes when ftpmaster reviews 16:11:24 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:12:07 <blathijs> jordi: So you propose making -2 after those changes? 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or is there one in particular I should make additions to, for later translating? 16:38:39 <peter1138> yes 16:38:41 <peter1138> english.txt 16:38:51 <Smoovious> ok... >closes american.txt< 16:39:24 <Rubidium> Smoovious: you could have found that out yourself very easily 16:39:59 <Smoovious> well, I still figuring out how the group does things... 16:40:42 <Rubidium> well, adding something to the wrong file that isn't in the 'master' file will complain about it not being in the master file 16:41:33 <Smoovious> and which is the 'master' file? 16:41:40 * Smoovious grins. 16:42:33 <glx> master file is english.txt 16:43:02 * Smoovious nods. 16:43:08 <Smoovious> which wasn't self-evident 16:45:02 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3E3B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:45:22 *** Klanticus [~klanticus@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 16:45:38 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3ED60.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:43 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:46:44 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:56 * Smoovious takes a break, girlfriend called 16:47:24 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 16:51:01 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:51:02 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:28 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-120-195.adslplus.ch] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ammler_))] 16:51:33 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-120-195.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 16:52:05 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-120-195.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:31 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:35 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-212-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:49 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:00:04 <dihedral> hi 17:00:44 <dihedral> let me start bombarding you guys with q's again... 17:00:55 <dihedral> random seed 17:01:11 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 17:01:12 <dihedral> in more than 2000 games 17:01:22 <dihedral> a certain seed appert 4 times 17:01:52 <dihedral> it was 4294967295 17:02:21 <dihedral> as this is the last number before a new bit is used, could a be that this seed is never actually generated, only set? 17:02:28 <dihedral> i mean 17:02:45 <dihedral> when the mag has not been generated - random seed has this value 17:02:57 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:02:58 <dihedral> *net yet been generated... 17:08:02 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:50 *** maddy [~maddy@86.75.135.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:30 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 17:14:00 <dihedral> dont shout all at once :) 17:14:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 17:15:13 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:03 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:21 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:18:40 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5EE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:41 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5EE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:20:42 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:20:42 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:06 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-212-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]] 17:27:22 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Eat 17:28:57 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-212-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.9.235.48] has joined #openttd 17:31:22 <Wolf01> hello 17:32:48 <dihedral> hi 17:33:16 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:06 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-100-213.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 17:41:42 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:43:49 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:43 <dihedral> Wolf01: you know anything about the random seed? 17:44:52 <Wolf01> i know something 17:45:18 <dihedral> 4294967295 is set before a game map has been generated 17:45:29 <dihedral> is it also possible that this seed is generated 17:46:07 <dihedral> i ran a test on a dedicated server, starting new games over 2000 times 17:46:18 <dihedral> and saving the seed in a file each time 17:46:33 <dihedral> comparing all the seeds in that file at the end gave me 4 time 4294967295 17:47:02 <dihedral> but this seed is also seet inbetween issueing 'newgame' and the map being generated 17:47:24 <Wolf01> maybe the random function is initialized one time 17:47:47 <dihedral> so i am not sure if my test managed to issue the getseed too fast and therefore was executed in between 17:47:57 *** AmpCoder [~AmpCoder@r41h97.res.gatech.edu] has joined #openttd 17:48:09 <Wolf01> i offten use system ticks ad system time to initialize the random seed, so is impossible or really hard to have the same sequence of numbers 17:48:48 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:49:15 <dihedral> it would muck up my sql database if it did happen... 17:49:56 <Wolf01> eh, never use a value which might be generated 2 times as primary key 17:50:07 <dihedral> yeah - i know that 17:50:32 <dihedral> that is why i am not writing to the db yet :-) and why i ran a test :-) 17:50:54 <Wolf01> and random is random, you might get the same value also 10 times in sequence 17:51:17 <dihedral> yeah 17:52:03 <dihedral> is there anything else that is constant during the same game but changes for the next game? 17:52:32 <Wolf01> maybe you should use the date+hour, like 030820071852 17:52:50 <dihedral> yeah - that aint available form the console right now is it 17:52:56 <Wolf01> this number shouldn't happen two times 17:53:04 <dihedral> :-) 17:54:14 <Wolf01> i think is simple to add a function which returns that number every time ottd is restarted 17:54:31 <Wolf01> *if a game is restarted 17:54:53 <dihedral> well - it is simple enough to add a command to the dedicated server without having to update all clients as it only outputs data 17:58:26 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 18:04:27 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:41 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:11:47 *** AmpCoder [~AmpCoder@r41h97.res.gatech.edu] has left #openttd [] 18:22:49 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 18:23:18 *** Born_Aco_ [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 18:23:33 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 18:25:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:30:59 *** Rens2Eat is now known as Rens2Sea 18:32:43 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:21 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-189-74.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 18:38:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 18:39:48 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-212-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]] 18:44:56 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:32 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:49:37 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-212-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:31 *** KritiK_ [Maxim@ppp85-141-227-86.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:51:07 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:51:37 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:54:28 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-100-213.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:40 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 18:58:41 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:03 *** Klanticus [~klanticus@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:36 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176125243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:16:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:20:57 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:21:16 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:22:14 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-142-217-191.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:23:12 * Smoovious crosses his fingers waiting for the compile to finish. 19:24:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9069 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Change a do ... while loop with a for loop. This fixes some warning that I never got anyway... 19:24:14 <MiHaMiX> Smoovious: it's already finished. 19:24:22 <MiHaMiX> Compile Farm: nightly (r9068) completed. More details: http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/scoreboard.php 19:24:22 <Smoovious> no, mine 19:24:28 <MiHaMiX> Smoovious: ahh :) 19:24:33 <Smoovious> I'm doing a patch 19:24:48 <Smoovious> just a tiny one, but still, one that I know a bunch of people ask for 19:25:01 * Smoovious grins. 19:25:17 <Smoovious> enough for me to get used to how the team is arranging things, without getting overwhelmed 19:25:51 <Smoovious> first compile had 1 error, but it was only a typo... an I instead of a | 19:26:41 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 19:27:08 <Smoovious> what it does is makes opening/closing industry news show up as General news instead of Economy news... 19:27:26 <Smoovious> probably could have made a more elegant solution but for the time being, it'll do 19:27:57 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:57 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-51-233.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:33:44 * Smoovious grins. 19:33:46 <Smoovious> 0 errors 19:33:56 <peter1138> that's what they all say 19:34:37 <peter1138> question is 19:34:43 <peter1138> what requires testing? 19:35:42 <MiHaMiX> Smoovious: could you please upload your patch if possible? :) 19:36:37 <Smoovious> well, I suppose I changed that tag too early... 19:36:48 <Smoovious> trying it out right now as we speak... 19:36:59 <antichaos> Hi all. I want to make a patch which adds a property (annual budget) to each industry, but I'm having some trouble understanding the relationship between the Industry and IndustrySpec structs in terms of the way everything is initialised. 19:38:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:55 <Smoovious> grr... getting errors... openttd.grf corrupt or missing... and invalid version of language pack 19:39:10 <antichaos> is anyone able to give me a bit of an overview? 19:39:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:49 <MiHaMiX> antichaos: apart from docs.openttd.org? sorry, no 19:39:52 <Rubidium> Smoovious: set the 'working directory' for running from MSVC to /bin/ 19:40:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:40:24 <blathijs> antichaos: I would expect that each Industry (there is one of these for every industry on a map) gets initialized from an IndustrySpec (there is probably one of these for each industry type) 19:40:44 <Smoovious> yeah, remembered that from before... think I already took care of it 19:40:45 <blathijs> antichaos: But I'm completely unfamiliar with that part of the code, so I can't really give you more details 19:40:51 <Smoovious> I wasn't using the right files 19:41:55 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:42:17 <Smoovious> ugh... ok, not showing in the patch menu... so I missed something somewhere 19:43:25 <Wolf01> last patches update, no more updates from today, and i think i won't put my hands again on the code, was funny to make new things :) 19:43:55 <Smoovious> what were ya workin' on, Wolf01? 19:44:19 <Wolf01> daylength, transparency, and some other patches 19:44:55 <Smoovious> nice 19:45:04 <antichaos> thanks blathijs. 19:45:51 * Smoovious goes and tries to hunt down why his patch config item isn't showing on the patch menu 19:46:15 <antichaos> That is my other question...how to add to the patch menu 19:46:34 * Rubidium suggests http://wiki.openttd.org/ 19:46:57 <Smoovious> nah, that's too easy 19:47:07 <Smoovious> learn more just looking :D 19:47:11 * peter1138 suggests settings_gui.cpp 19:47:23 <Smoovious> like, "oooo... what's this interesting bit of code here..." sidetracking me 19:47:30 <Smoovious> yeah, already have that open 19:47:39 <Smoovious> but don't think I got it quite right in there 19:48:54 <antichaos> ahh, found it on the wiki. thanks 19:54:53 *** OwenSx [~OwenS@5ac0cdad.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:23 *** OwenS [~OwenS@5ac0cdc3.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:23 *** OwenSx is now known as OwenS 20:00:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:26 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:52 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-1543.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: edgepro: A man who smiles when things go wrong knows who to blame.] 20:18:49 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:26:05 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:08 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 20:29:59 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:34:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83592.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:34:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:37:27 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 20:40:24 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 20:42:05 <antichaos> ok, I think I've deciphered the initialisation stuff. Now to add the new properties to the industry info window. 20:43:04 <Smoovious> oops... hehe... forgot to include the patch in the *_patches_ui[] list. :D 20:43:43 <Smoovious> I saw it when I started, just didn't remember to go back to it... 20:46:50 <blathijs> antichaos: :-) 20:49:42 <Smoovious> ? 20:50:00 <Smoovious> but... but... I like chaos... 20:50:02 * Smoovious pouts. 20:50:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9070 /trunk/src/ (station.h station_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#404]: if bribe failed and you didn't pick up cargo yet, you wouldn't ever be able to do so for a given station 20:51:18 <Smoovious> how long would the effects of bribe failure last? 20:52:09 <carwe> 6 months? 20:52:32 <Smoovious> okee 20:52:57 <Smoovious> could probably make it longer... like, a few years, but so long as it isn't permanent 20:56:39 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:50 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 20:58:50 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:05 <Bjarni> hehehe 20:59:48 <Bjarni> while I was looking for something completely different, I found a pic that I searched for when we talked about trains and ferries in here (if anybody can recall) 20:59:50 <Bjarni> http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/MF-IC3/white-red/5060-5092/ferry_02.jpg 21:00:14 <Bjarni> now I guess most people forgot about that discussion and now I can't find a picture of what I was actually looking for 21:00:21 <Bjarni> I guess that's how the internet works 21:01:05 <Roel_> it's a medium to distract us from our tasks to create chaos :) 21:02:59 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-145-137.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:03:43 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:05 <Smoovious> Rubidium... 'working directory'? ... VC2005... Configuration Properties -> General... Output Directory? 21:04:26 <Smoovious> grr... I had it set right at one point, but I think I overwrote the project file 21:05:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9071 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix [FS#459]: when in networking an other player takes over an AI which is also controlled by a player, move the player with the company to the company who bought out the AI 21:07:13 <Roel_> hmm, pre-signals are way to small to notice in high resolutions.. 21:07:15 <|2rB> dir 21:07:55 <|2rB> sorry about that... two keyboards... Typed at the wrong one :/ 21:08:05 <Smoovious> yeah, need another zoom level... even if it ends up looking pixelated 21:08:07 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-212-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]] 21:09:12 <Digitalfox> Smoovious: 32bpp already have two more IN and OUT zooms, give it a try :) 21:09:18 <peter1138> as available in the 32bpp branch 21:09:21 <peter1138> bah, too slow 21:09:26 <Smoovious> when I get some extra time... :) 21:09:47 <Digitalfox> http://nightly.openttd.org/32bpp/files/ 21:10:02 <Digitalfox> If you don't want to waste time compiling :) 21:10:18 <Smoovious> grr... ya know, at one point I had the compiled openttd.exe just dropping right into the bin directory instead of the objs tree, but now I can't quite get it to work again 21:10:36 <Smoovious> nah, I wanna waste time compiling... more I do it the more comfortable I'll be with this compiler 21:14:06 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 21:14:07 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:46 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 21:21:33 <ln-> Bjarni: are those diesel units because wires to ship would be difficult to implement? 21:22:21 <Bjarni> partly yes 21:22:43 <Bjarni> also because around half of the tracks they use lacks catenary 21:22:59 <Bjarni> they still use diesel even though they finished a bridge 21:24:17 <Bjarni> it became a lot easier to handle the loading/unloading of the ferries after they switched from loco pulled trains to DMUs 21:33:03 <antichaos> Is it necessary for a patch option to affect everything the patch changes, even small alterations of windows? 21:33:37 <blathijs> no 21:34:00 <blathijs> There is no patch option for every patch ever committed, fortunately 21:34:30 <blathijs> But you should be careful not to include unneccesary and unrelated changes in your patch, since that makes debugging harder 21:34:31 <antichaos> so I don't need to be able to swap between the old and new versions of the window I'm changing - just hide or show the additional fields? 21:34:47 <blathijs> What are you coding exactly? 21:35:10 <antichaos> I'm adding annual budgets to secondary industries. 21:35:35 <blathijs> which means? :-) 21:35:56 <blathijs> Factories can only "buy" so much resources each year from companies? 21:36:35 <antichaos> it means limiting acceptance by total cost, rather than just gargo volume 21:36:43 <Smoovious> ahh... limited production capacity... I think a GRF does something like that, but OTTD doesn't support it yet 21:36:50 <Nigel> I *think* I found a bug in the pathfinder 21:36:56 <antichaos> so industries will prefer cheaer cargo 21:37:21 <Bjarni> Nigel: I *think* you better tell us more ;) 21:37:37 <blathijs> antichaos: ah 21:37:49 <blathijs> antichaos: anyway, patch option for non-functional changes to a window is not needed, IMO 21:38:17 <antichaos> ok. This isn't indented to be production grade anyway 21:38:19 <Nigel> Bjarni: I follow "I *think*" with yes there is, or no there isn't once i've determined it 21:39:09 <Bjarni> so you are going to test for the next 3 months until you all of a sudden say yes or no? 21:39:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r9072 /trunk/src/ (9 files): -Codechange: [Orders] added methods to orders to free them and check if they are in use 21:40:24 <antichaos> I'm just interested in adding some extra feedback into the economy to make the 21:40:35 <antichaos> game more strategic 21:40:39 <Nigel> no, i'm just making some changes to my network removing the possible causes 21:41:21 <antichaos> Not everyone's into this though 21:41:45 <ln-> when will we see ferries that can carry trucks and trains? 21:42:48 <Bjarni> ln-: you plan to code them? :P 21:44:22 <Bjarni> they are by design really tricky to implement 21:45:19 <Bjarni> also you will just build a bridge now. Bridges can always be build and are too cheap to really consider ships 21:45:27 <Bjarni> so we need to solve a balance issue as well 21:45:33 <Smoovious> could make bridges more expensive 21:45:51 <Smoovious> hell, I think terraforming should be more expensive too 21:46:13 <Bjarni> we need to rebalance the whole game 21:46:24 <Bjarni> and make 1 km/h = 1 km/h 21:46:44 <Bjarni> right now 1 km/h depends on what type of vehicle it measures 21:46:44 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 21:47:11 <Bjarni> 1 km/h for road vehicles and ships = 2 km/h for trains 21:47:33 <Bjarni> so a ship moving at 32 km/h will move at the same speed as a train moving at 64 km/h 21:47:37 <Bjarni> not good 21:48:44 <antichaos> hmm. I'm getting a load of syntax errors in files I haven't changed. 21:49:19 <antichaos> we need pricing that depends on vehicle type, rather than speed depending on type 21:49:22 *** carwe [~carwe@p54B37144.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:49:32 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-145-137.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]] 21:49:45 <Bjarni> <antichaos> hmm. I'm getting a load of syntax errors in files I haven't changed. <-- sounds like a incorrectly modified header file 21:50:10 <antichaos> you are correct 21:50:15 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 21:50:25 <Bjarni> *an 21:50:55 <antichaos> oh course...all the includes 21:51:13 <antichaos> I'm old to programming but new to c++ 21:51:24 <antichaos> projects of this size anyway 21:51:39 <KUDr> how old? 21:52:04 <antichaos> 10-15 years, on and off 21:52:12 <antichaos> mostly off though 21:52:35 <KUDr> you are 10-15 yrs old? 21:52:43 <Bjarni> damn 21:52:44 <Smoovious> sounds like me, antichaos... I'm over 20 since my last C programming 21:52:46 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 21:52:48 <Bjarni> KUDr beat me to it 21:52:49 <antichaos> I'm 28 21:52:54 <Smoovious> <- 38 21:53:02 <KUDr> good 21:53:03 <Bjarni> heh 21:53:08 <Bjarni> I'm way older than that 21:53:28 <Bjarni> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Bjarni 21:53:32 <Smoovious> <- 38 5/6ths 21:53:41 <Smoovious> :D 21:53:43 * KUDr 41 21:54:04 <Digitalfox> Bjarni: Damn you are old 1745 :) What's the formula to be that kind of old ... 21:54:09 <Smoovious> cool... at least I'm not the oldest person in this group... kinda get tired of holding the top spot so much ya kna? 21:54:11 <antichaos> no errors... 21:54:36 <Bjarni> <Digitalfox> Bjarni: Damn you are old 1745 :) What's the formula to be that kind of old ... <-- godly powers, but I really shouldn't say such things 21:54:51 <Bjarni> I risk you start worshipping me 21:55:20 <Smoovious> no fear of that 21:55:23 * peter1138 considers the advantages of sleep 21:55:45 <peter1138> 21:46 <@Bjarni> 1 km/h for road vehicles and ships = 2 km/h for trains 21:55:45 <peter1138> 21:47 <@Bjarni> so a ship moving at 32 km/h will move at the same speed as a train moving at 64 km/h 21:55:49 <peter1138> uh, that's bollocks 21:56:37 <Bjarni> are you sure? 21:56:40 <peter1138> yes 21:56:47 <Bjarni> it was like that the last time I checked 21:56:54 <Bjarni> but I didn't check for a while 21:57:00 <peter1138> no it wasn't 21:57:08 <peter1138> the internal units are different, yes 21:57:09 <antichaos> wohooo - it works - kinda 21:57:25 <peter1138> but the display takes that into account 21:57:34 <Bjarni> hmm 21:58:04 <Bjarni> so x in internal speed is type dependant... that really sucks 21:58:20 <Smoovious> maybe he was meaning planes and trains before the planespeeds were adjusted a few days ago 21:59:11 <peter1138> very strange way of saying so :p 21:59:16 <peter1138> yes, planes were 4x out 21:59:20 <peter1138> (not 8x as some think) 21:59:55 <Bjarni> so we should make internal speeds the same and then use the same conversion to displayed speeds 22:00:02 <Bjarni> or somebody will fuck this up eventually 22:00:58 <peter1138> only solution there is to make trains and planes use the same units as rvs and ships 22:03:13 <ln-> when and where will the first international OpenTTD development conference be held? 22:03:50 <Bjarni> ln-: a year ago@DV's 22:04:13 <Bjarni> it appears that you lag a lot 22:04:53 <ln-> participants: DV? 22:05:31 <Bjarni> damn. I just realised that my solution for allowing more orders will potentially cause desyncs. Even though it would be in rare cases, I will still need to rethink this :( 22:05:50 <Bjarni> <ln-> participants: DV? <-- how did you guess? :) 22:06:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:46 <peter1138> btw, it's mph * 1.6, not km/h 22:08:01 <ln-> would glasgow be a natural choice? 22:08:32 <Bjarni> why would you want it to be in Glasgow? 22:08:49 <Bjarni> You want to take a swim in the Kelvin? 22:09:09 <Bjarni> or maybe the Clyde 22:10:05 <Bjarni> that could be arranged 22:10:06 <ln-> Bjarni: http://www.chrissawyer.com/feature1a.htm 22:11:27 <Bjarni> ahh 22:11:30 <Smoovious> hehe... just noticed the opening screen, how fast the planes are zipping around 22:11:41 <Smoovious> even the helicopters 22:11:52 * Bjarni notes this and will take a look next time he is in Glascow 22:11:59 <Bjarni> *Glasgow 22:12:13 <Bjarni> okok, it was a typo. Don't have a cow :P 22:13:27 <Bjarni> btw next time would also be my first time but that's besides the point 22:14:53 <Digitalfox> Oftopic, but a good software for cuting some parts of a video (avi), like taking things of the video not needed.. Some things are in the begining, middle and end.. I want to take the intro, credits, etc.. Making the file more smaller.. Any recomendations ?? 22:15:20 <Digitalfox> Using windows XP 22:15:41 <ln-> virtualdub 22:16:04 <Digitalfox> It's easy?? I don't get a clue about some codecs required to decode and encode :) 22:16:30 <Bjarni> mpgtx <-- free app to do the tasks you mentioned, but it works on mpeg only (and maybe it lacks a windows port) 22:18:21 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:18:46 <Digitalfox> Going to give a shot with virtuadub :) 22:18:52 <Digitalfox> Opensource, nice 22:23:38 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:23:38 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:11 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [] 22:28:49 <Bjarni> hmm 22:31:30 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:38:46 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB51C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:55 *** Netsplit osmotic.oftc.net <-> scorpio.oftc.net quits: Frostregen 22:56:01 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:56:53 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176125243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 23:05:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r9073 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: moved autoreplace to a file of it's own (now autoreplace has a cmd and a gui file) 23:12:06 <Wolf01> night all 23:12:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.9.235.48] has quit [] 23:20:36 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@130.226.173.22] has joined #openttd 23:20:37 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:38 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: bye, Im going off] 23:25:51 <Smoovious> re:news messages... do messages you have set to 'off' in the settings even have to go into the news queue in the first place? TTDX behavior didn't do that... and would make showing already seen messages more useful 23:26:40 *** Jezral [~projectjj@130.226.173.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:53 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:30:22 *** OwenS [~OwenS@5ac0cdad.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:10 <Smoovious> YES!!! :D muhahahahaha!!! :D my patch works. :D 23:34:17 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 23:35:29 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 23:37:07 <Smoovious> patch posted to FS#525 23:38:21 <Smoovious> if it gets committed, it'll be in my name, won't it? 23:38:55 <glx> it will probably have a (Smoovious) in the log 23:40:20 * Smoovious pouts. 23:40:35 <Smoovious> ah well... 23:41:51 <ln-> you have used spaces instead of <tab> in variables.h. a serious crime. 23:43:04 <Smoovious> ah... well, they appear as spaces in VC when I tried to check... no biggy, a quick fix 23:44:03 <Smoovious> fixed... any others? 23:44:39 <glx> style is ok except what ln- said :) 23:45:08 <Smoovious> already dealt with 23:45:15 <Smoovious> :D 23:45:23 <glx> I know ;) 23:45:41 <Smoovious> I took plenty of time to get all my notes down on paper before I started changing anything 23:45:44 <Smoovious> habit 23:46:14 * Smoovious grins. 23:46:32 <Smoovious> hopefully it'll get 3 of my players finally off my back... pestering "is it done yet? is it done yet?" 23:47:02 <Smoovious> figured shifting them to General news was the simplest solution 23:47:27 <Smoovious> don't think we get overwhelmed by General news anyways 23:59:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]