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00:05:07 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-4-30.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:09:04 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-12-218.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:08 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.63] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 00:34:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r9867 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Remove data duplication. The exact same values can be found in the industry spec, so take it from there instead. 00:40:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 00:45:12 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-224-214.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:25:04 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-4-30.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:27 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-4-30.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 01:26:39 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-4-30.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:00 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-4-30.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 01:31:09 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54b750dd.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:35:18 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:37:32 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75653.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:53 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip147.cab56.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:41 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-238.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 03:07:57 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:12:13 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 03:32:51 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 03:32:51 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07:51 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc175.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 04:18:17 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6EB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 04:20:22 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-149-165.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 04:23:40 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-153-213.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:28:19 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-153-213.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 04:31:19 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-159-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:52:23 *** independence [independen@blinkenshell.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:35:21 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:57:11 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:59:04 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 06:19:06 *** bencvt [~bencvt@va-71-53-204-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #openttd [] 07:17:25 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-4-30.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:24:11 *** robert___ [~robert@ip503c8037.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 07:24:12 <robert___> hi all 07:24:19 <robert___> I am getting desync errors when playing on local lan 07:24:23 <robert___> the server does not run a firewall 07:24:41 <robert___> anyone has an idea on what to try next? 07:25:05 <robert___> im playing 0.5.2-RC1 07:25:54 <Rubidium> can you reproduce them reliably? 07:26:31 <robert___> well 07:26:35 <robert___> if i connect to the server 07:26:41 <robert___> i get thrown off within 2 mins 07:26:43 <robert___> every time 07:26:46 <robert___> so i guess yes :-) 07:27:06 <robert___> can it be because we set the map size to 512 * 512? 07:27:15 <Rubidium> nope 07:27:18 <robert___> hmmmmm 07:27:27 <robert___> on my client should i do special firewall things? 07:27:30 <Rubidium> desyncs are mismatches in the game state (thus a bug somewhere) 07:27:59 <robert___> ic 07:28:04 <robert___> perhaps i should role back to 5.1? 07:28:14 <Rubidium> can you reproduce it "from" scratch, i.e. saving the current savegame of the server and restarting the server and then joining after a few seconds 07:28:27 <robert___> ok let us try 07:28:45 <Rubidium> robert___: rather not, because I want to debug the desync ;) 07:28:52 <robert___> ok :-) 07:31:52 <Rubidium> and to be of any use for debugging, the desync should preferably happen in the first minute after starting the server and joining the client 07:32:00 <Rubidium> oh, are you using any newgrfs? 07:33:09 <robert___> no 07:33:16 <robert___> somehow it seems to work now... 07:33:18 <robert___> strante 07:33:19 <robert___> strange 07:33:39 <robert___> the first time, we just opened a new map 07:33:41 <robert___> new game 07:33:44 <robert___> with only 2 players 07:33:49 <robert___> each player running an own company 07:33:53 <robert___> on our lan 07:34:10 <robert___> and i tried to connect in the start of the game for like 4 times, every time got disconnected 07:34:14 <robert___> but now it seems to work 07:34:26 <robert___> is the game perhaps in some kind of start-up phase in the beginning? 07:34:33 <robert___> still initializing stuff? 07:34:46 <Rubidium> no 07:34:51 <robert___> mmmmmmm 07:34:52 <robert___> strange 07:34:56 <robert___> i will try to start a new game ok 07:35:01 <robert___> and see whether it still goes wrong 07:35:12 <robert___> when i got disconnected, i didn't built anything; i was just panning over the map 07:35:45 <Rubidium> the error was something with the word desync in it right? 07:36:10 <robert___> on the client side it was dbg: [NET] Sync error detected! 07:36:22 <robert___> and the server side said desync error 07:36:37 <robert___> (according to my girlfirned) 07:37:01 <Rubidium> ok, that's a genuine desync, not somebody who interprets disconnecting *always* in desyncs ;) 07:37:14 <robert___> lol 07:37:23 <robert___> i'm a programmer ;-) 07:37:50 <Rubidium> the problem is that I've seen to many people saying the game desynced when they just lost they wireless connection for too long or so 07:38:40 <robert___> oic 07:38:41 <Rubidium> oh, what hardware are both machines (OS + processor type) 07:39:05 <robert___> client: opensuse 10.0, AMD 2 gig 07:39:14 <robert___> server: opensuse 10.2, AMD 2.4 gig 07:40:26 <Rubidium> did the player on the server or the player on the client do anything before the desync that changes the game state (looking at the map etc doesn't do that) 07:41:18 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb50ad.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:41:22 <robert___> the player on the server was building 07:41:24 <robert___> i was only panning 07:41:31 <robert___> of course i did launch a new company 07:41:40 <robert___> so that appearantly changed state 07:41:43 <robert___> but further i did nothing 07:41:52 <robert___> how do i get rid of the game console?? 07:42:00 <robert___> ah ` 07:46:02 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 07:48:11 <Rubidium> any idea what was build on the server before the client joined? 07:48:41 <Rubidium> oh and can you send me the savegame? 07:52:31 <robert___> yes but it doesnt give the crash anymore 07:52:43 <robert___> and we are playing for quite a time now, and all works correctly 07:53:34 <Rubidium> I know, but you said it started to desync from the beginning of the game, right? 07:54:14 <Rubidium> and the seed to generate the map and all settings that influenced that are stored in the savegame IIRC 07:54:45 <robert___> ok 07:54:51 <robert___> where can i send it to? 07:55:21 <Rubidium> rubidium @ openttd . org or you can put it on your website or maybe dcc 07:56:56 <robert___> dcc doesnt work cuz im to lazy to set my port forwards :-) 07:57:00 <robert___> i will mail it to you ok? 07:57:13 <robert___> in a few hours ill send it 07:57:17 <robert___> first gotta play :-) 07:57:22 <Rubidium> yup, otherwise I wouldn't give you that option ;) 07:57:30 <robert___> :-) 07:57:34 <robert___> ok i told my gf to keep it :-) 07:57:40 <robert___> we will send it later today 07:57:44 <robert___> thanks for your help! 07:57:50 <Rubidium> you're welcome 07:57:56 <robert___> bye 07:57:58 *** robert___ [~robert@ip503c8037.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:00:48 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c210-49-162-211.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:04:14 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:07:49 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:36 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 08:15:08 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:26 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387FA58.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:28:10 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:36:51 *** Osai is now known as Osai^city 09:02:24 *** TronBSD [~tron@p54A3EAEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:07:09 <peter1138> tron :D 09:08:49 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3FABE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:01 <ln-> ain't it impolite to laugh at him 09:19:36 <Kittysune> but but 09:19:38 <Kittysune> this is the internet 09:19:50 <Kittysune> ok wtf 09:19:55 <Kittysune> Ailure been dead for hours 09:20:15 <Kittysune> talk about a laggy IRC oh 09:20:19 *** Kittysune [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [] 09:20:26 <Ailure> somehow I had joined this channel twice 09:20:27 <Ailure> xD 09:20:35 <Ailure> Or rather 09:20:45 <Ailure> stupid mIRC 09:25:36 <peter1138> has been! 09:35:07 <Ailure> :( 09:37:41 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a6661.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:49:37 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a6661.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 09:55:32 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-4-30.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 10:00:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FEB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:41 *** ThomasNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:04:14 *** ThomasNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 10:04:51 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:15 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:07:10 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Thomas[NL]] 10:07:19 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:07:21 *** Thomas[NL1 [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:08:08 *** Thomas[NL1 [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 10:09:56 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:38 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 10:29:34 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:30:01 <Ailure> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/blog/files/pictures/network_psg_40_pr.png 10:30:09 <Ailure> I wonder how that image was generated o_O 10:42:54 <peter1138> giant screenshot, scale/rotate, then some blobs 10:43:08 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D857.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:44:27 *** Osai^city [~Osai@pd9eb50ad.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^city] 10:50:04 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387FA58.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:02:45 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 11:09:35 <tokai> peter1138: seems its not that easy. I had to rotate, skew, crop and scale to get a similiar result (or I did something wrong). :) 11:11:49 <tokai> right, maybe scaling first does the trick. 11:12:35 <tokai> ok, thats better.. indeed:) 11:17:02 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:28:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:35:53 *** hnsn [~hnsn@pc11-321-06.Student.hig.se] has joined #openttd 11:53:18 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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15:05:33 <Ailure> :) 15:06:07 <Ailure> sounds like french 15:06:19 <Sleepie> funny typo I guess 15:08:09 <Belugas> let's get TOGETHER! 15:08:22 <Belugas> Right now 15:09:47 <Belugas> true... in french, the english "ge" sound wold be written "gue" 15:10:02 <Belugas> and i guess i've been going some phonetic typing :S 15:10:07 <Belugas> dong 15:10:09 <Belugas> doing 15:10:19 <Belugas> gaaaa... 15:10:32 * Belugas minimizes irc 15:10:40 <Ailure> lol 15:10:51 <Sleepie> :D 15:11:23 <Sleepie> maybe buy a new keyboard ;) 15:16:32 *** hnsn [~hnsn@pc11-321-06.Student.hig.se] has joined #openttd 15:21:31 *** hnsn [~hnsn@pc11-321-06.Student.hig.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 15:23:42 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-32-225.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:06 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-32-225.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:44:22 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-189-57.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 15:53:28 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@84.138.69.210] has joined #openttd 16:07:03 *** yeti_ [~yeti@p5493d8c5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:38 <yeti_> uh, did you raise the amount of time that a crashed plane lies on the runway before being removed from the game? 16:07:42 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:15:04 <peter1138> yeah, it's a bug 16:15:13 <peter1138> 3 * longer 16:26:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:57 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:29:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:30:56 <yeti_> two other problems i've noticed with latest trunk: 16:31:14 <yeti_> oilfield show "0 litres of oil" as production value, but they do produce oil 16:32:08 <yeti_> and the transported ranking for one of my farms just cannot work. it says 414 pc of livestock (1% transported), but i'm transporting nearly all of it, the station has a 75% rating for livestock 16:40:05 * Belugas is checking for 1st industry problem 16:40:42 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has joined #openttd 16:41:05 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:51 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:49:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 16:54:00 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:06:28 *** mikk36 is now known as mikk36|away 17:06:32 *** mikk36|away is now known as mikk36 17:26:51 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:32:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9869 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: replace some bytes with VehicleType, i.e. more type strictness. 17:33:20 <elmex> hmm, what are the rules production rates go up and down? i've read http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Game_Mechanics#Industry_Production but it somehow doesn't reflect the game much in my experience. 17:33:39 <elmex> eg. when delivering 80-90% of a coal mine it wents down like crazy 17:36:59 <Patrick> did you have stable economy on or off? 17:37:03 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-189-57.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:37:59 <elmex> it's enabled 17:38:06 <elmex> smooth economy that is 17:38:57 <Patrick> sorry, I mean 17:39:02 <Patrick> economy: stable/fluctuating 17:39:42 <elmex> fluctuating 17:39:52 <Patrick> there you go then 17:40:16 <elmex> hmm 17:40:31 <elmex> so in fluctuating economy industries also go down randomly? 17:42:35 <Sleepie> yep 17:42:53 <elmex> â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â if (_economy.fluct <= 0) cw = (cw + 1) / 2; 17:42:55 <elmex> hmm 17:44:21 <elmex> http://www.ta-sa.org/files/txt/d81fedcdfa69cae0bc6b6e3647f5eccb.txt 17:44:54 <elmex> so basically fluctuating economy takes the waiting cargo and halves it? 17:46:50 <elmex> hm, ok, i don't understand it :) 17:53:21 *** michi_cc-away is now known as michi_cc 17:53:24 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:55:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r9870 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp industry.h industry_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Silence two compiler warnings and give proper type to the "type" member of industry struct 17:56:19 <Belugas> yeti, i gave it a try and oil wells are showing proper production. maybe give some more informations? 18:02:35 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@84.138.69.210] has left #openttd [] 18:07:01 <elmex> don't really have more informations, that were only experienced from onliengames where i wondered that productions went down pretty much even thought the transported percentage was at 90% 18:07:28 <elmex> but maybe it was the fluctuating economy indeed 18:08:34 <Rubidium> transporting 90% doesn't mean that there is a 0% chance that the production goes down 18:09:23 <Rubidium> like you can flip a million coins and always get tails, only the chance is pretty small 18:10:18 <elmex> well, i know that, but it seemed to go down nearly everytime... but i'm maybe wrong, i will observe it better next time 18:11:07 <Rubidium> elmex: that's the problem with random, it can go down nearly every time and still be correct 18:11:27 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-231.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has joined #openttd 18:12:02 <peter1138> also the rate is random (for smooth) 18:12:05 <peter1138> as someone pointed out 18:12:12 *** Thomas[NL]_ [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:22 <elmex> well, even when it affects every industriy i'm servicing with 90%? :) 18:13:03 <peter1138> if it goes down 10% 4 times, then up 10% 4 times you're left with 96%... 18:13:21 <Rubidium> elmex: theoretically that is possible 18:13:42 <Rubidium> as I said, you can flip coins and get tails a million times in a row, it's just unlikely 18:13:46 <Rubidium> but not impossible 18:14:33 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:15:22 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:15:59 <elmex> yes 18:17:33 <peter1138> hmm, max change is 23% 18:17:56 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:08 <peter1138> after 4 downs and 4 ups you get to 80% of the original 18:20:42 <Patrick> rounded to the nearest multiple of 8 18:20:44 <Patrick> or however it goes 18:21:03 <Patrick> or are you using shorts now 18:21:08 <Patrick> ints even 18:21:09 <Rubidium> probably rounded down too 18:21:29 <Patrick> istr at one point industry production used a single byte scaled up so that the max was 4096 18:21:36 <Patrick> so that'd be multiplied by ... uuh ... 18:21:45 <Patrick> 2**6 18:27:31 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:28:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:35:35 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-32-225.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:43:02 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-189-57.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:49:01 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:51:42 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-231.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:15:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb5c24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:20 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5C24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:45 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:19:57 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:20:56 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:22 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:31:58 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb5c24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:41 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5C24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32:54 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:06 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 19:33:59 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has joined #openttd 19:38:30 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has joined #openttd 19:38:54 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:14 *** Thomas[NL]_ [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:53:14 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:46 *** staniel [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:46 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:56 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:05:30 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:20:44 *** geoffk [~geoffk@host81-158-240-31.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:10 *** Thomas[NL]_ is now known as Thomas[NL] 20:44:24 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:21 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:54:29 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@84.138.68.252] has joined #openttd 20:57:42 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@84.138.68.252] has left #openttd [] 20:58:15 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a44fc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:04:06 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:08:15 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a44fc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 21:09:16 *** kaan [jfk@82.192.152.195] has quit [] 21:12:48 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl5402B3C8.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:28:46 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 21:29:00 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:29 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has joined #openttd 21:38:13 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has quit [Quit: HMage] 21:39:18 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a7ec4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9871 /trunk/src/ (cargotype.cpp table/cargo_const.h): -Fix (r8826): Some cargo costs were wrong for different climates. Multiple definitions of the same cargo type are sometimes required. 21:51:29 <peter1138> only a thousand revisions 21:53:02 <Sleepie> lol 21:53:09 <glx> how testers are bad :) 21:54:12 <Sleepie> I'm a tester, I'm a player so I can't be bothered :P 21:54:31 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has joined #openttd 21:54:35 <Sleepie> ups forget the 'not' ;) 22:02:14 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 22:04:21 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb5c24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:22 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb5c24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:11 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 22:09:53 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl5402B3C8.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:06 *** bencvt [~bencvt@va-71-53-204-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #openttd 22:11:11 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:00 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 22:27:33 <skidd13> Is there a possibility to use HASBIT for a switch? 22:29:04 <peter1138> no 22:29:21 <skidd13> :( 22:40:52 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:36 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 22:58:19 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a7ec4.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 23:05:00 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:51 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c210-49-162-211.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:21:20 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:23 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:22:27 *** eJoJ is now known as eJoJ^zZz 23:25:17 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9872 /trunk/src/ (vehicle.cpp vehicle.h): -Codechange: more type strictness for vehicle types 23:56:38 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D857.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]