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00:00:38 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-1-33.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:04 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@81-233-244-56-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:19:08 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:20:21 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-25-95.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:24:18 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-1-33.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:49 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 00:25:11 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:47:57 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-207-109.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10:35 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 01:18:40 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77E0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:19:00 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-124-40-228.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 01:21:51 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: brb agains] 01:22:09 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:25:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54b77e0f.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:20 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75417.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77E0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:04:40 <Pontiac> Is there somewhere in the wiki what the acronyms are, like YAPF? 02:05:47 <Pontiac> Theres also mention of using apt-get for Debian. Whats the command, specifically? I can't find anything with TTD or Transport 02:08:16 <Pontiac> What repositories do I have to add? 02:11:50 <Touqen> Pontiac: well yapf is yet another path finder 02:11:59 <Touqen> if I recall correctly 02:12:19 <Pontiac> heh.. I shoulda guessed that one. 02:12:56 <glx> NPF=New Path Finder 02:13:06 <Touqen> I think you need to add/enable unstable 02:13:28 <Touqen> or check the debian package search too 02:13:29 <Touqen> l 02:13:40 <Touqen> -tool +website 02:14:18 <Touqen> It's in unstable. 02:14:25 <Touqen> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/openttd 02:15:51 <Touqen> And generally if you search for something, it'll probably turn up it's definition. 02:17:00 <Pontiac> Every time I install KUbuntu, I turn on all the repositories. But the search for even tycoon in the Adept manager turns nothing up. 02:17:51 <Pontiac> No mention of what to add/change either. 02:18:05 <Touqen> There must be something you miss then. I'm on ubuntu and apt-cache search turns up openttd for me 02:18:56 <Pontiac> Oh really? Mind sending me your sources.list file? 02:19:48 <Touqen> what version are you on? (I'm still on breezy) 02:19:59 <Pontiac> Edgy for me. 02:20:36 <Touqen> http://pastebin.co.uk/14814 02:21:03 <Pontiac> Tanx 02:23:55 <Pontiac> Same as mine (Other than edgy/breezy calls) 02:24:02 <Touqen> strange 02:24:05 <Pontiac> Yeah 02:30:18 <Pontiac> Interesting. i found on the wiki the aptitude command to get the apps needed to compile, but still nothing specific to apt-get install openttd 02:32:28 <Touqen> What do you mean? What other information do you need for "apt-get install openttd" 02:32:36 <Touqen> For whatever reason it wasn't added to the edgy repository. 02:33:26 <Pontiac> Thats exactly what I mean. When I run apt-get install openttd I'm told it can't find the app. 02:33:46 <Pontiac> But I've found instructions on how to get around that. Just a bunch more work and manual compiling. 02:33:54 <Touqen> Okay so what do you want he wiki to tell you? 02:34:09 <Touqen> Someone has to actually add it to the repository for it to be there. The maintainer of the package didn't. 02:35:14 <Pontiac> I realize someone has to add it. ;) I just happen to be using the wrong distro to get what I want done. This constantly happens with me and Linux OS's. ;) 02:35:39 <Touqen> You could just download the package yourself, and ask dpkg to resolve the dependencies for you. 02:36:07 <Touqen> There shouldn't be much of a problem. 02:36:47 <Pontiac> I'm skeered of linux. {chuckle} Too many panics in my past. But anyways... Next step would probably be RTFM? 02:38:16 <Pontiac> I'll fight with that later. Got some time tomorrow. Caffination wearing off, and GF just made a proposal. {chuckle} L8r gents 02:38:25 <Touqen> later 02:40:16 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:42:05 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 02:48:47 *** dfox [~dfox@r4az242.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:15:44 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:25:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-61-198.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:26:43 *** Jerub [~gideon@webserver.suqueensland.org.au] has joined #openttd 04:29:29 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-150-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:35:29 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-170-058.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:35:39 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 04:39:11 *** amazon10x [amazon10x@blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 04:39:23 <amazon10x> hello 04:39:25 <amazon10x> anybody home? 04:39:29 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 04:52:34 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 04:54:20 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7870.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 04:56:10 <Rubidium> yes, but 80-90% is still sleeping or preparing to go to work I guess 04:56:21 <hylje> :o 04:56:30 <Jerub> :) 04:57:21 <staniel> sleep is for the weak 04:58:36 <Jerub> or for the week, it depends if you're unemployed. 04:58:57 <staniel> lol, funny you should say that since im currently unemployer 04:59:01 <staniel> err unemployed 04:59:25 <Jerub> :p 05:00:51 <staniel> Though Im avoiding sleep for a totally different reason 05:16:56 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 05:42:29 <mikk36> Rubidium, or already at work :) 05:43:36 <mikk36> k, i guess i'm in the 10-20% :) 05:43:54 <mikk36> though i just arrived a minute before u said that 05:44:57 <Jerub> (I've been at work for 6 hours or something now) 05:45:20 <mikk36> you live in australia too 05:45:23 <mikk36> we're in europe 05:45:30 <Jerub> I played openttd for the first time last night. It's a significant improvement over ttd. 05:45:40 <mikk36> ofc :) 05:46:12 <Jerub> I can't wait for the busstop patch to get into the stable build :) 05:47:34 <staniel> heh, the first night I had it (last week) I was up till 5 in the moring 05:47:43 <Jerub> I was playing last night and I got up to 1964 and had 19 million pounds, so I was thinking I was the best ttd player in the world. 05:47:48 <staniel> I found the game by accident and was like, shit, I gotta play taht 05:48:00 <Jerub> then I saw some of the tutorials on advanced signal placement and felt like a rank amateur. 05:48:33 <staniel> Im so terrible for rail line.... I run a line for each train pretty much 05:49:01 <Jerub> it's worth it to learn how to do interesting rail lines. 05:49:13 <staniel> though I had quite the circuit of trains.. about 10 on this one loop, I was impressed till I upgraded the lines 05:49:28 <Jerub> so you can run 4 coal trains on 2 tracks, that kind of thing. 05:50:23 <mikk36> lol @ Jerub 05:50:58 <mikk36> you don't wanna know what guys do in the coop games :P 05:51:38 <Jerub> mikk36: I do wanna know, I'm interested. 05:51:53 <Jerub> mikk36: but as I said, I felt like a rank amateur after seeing some screenshots. 05:52:04 <mikk36> :P 05:52:35 <staniel> shit 05:52:40 <staniel> openttd just crashed on me 05:52:55 <Jerub> This is the first time I've ever made money using busses too. 05:52:57 <staniel> time to run debug mode and have it run... 05:53:48 <staniel> oh my god, it actually crashed in debug 05:54:21 <mikk36> hehe 05:54:25 <mikk36> Jerub, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=22641 05:54:27 <mikk36> here's one 05:54:42 <staniel> openttd: tile.h:36: TileHeight: Assertion `tile < MapSize()' failed. 05:55:43 <staniel> train 1000??!?!?!?! 05:56:38 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 06:11:01 <Ailure> hmm 06:11:05 <Ailure> how long is a gameyear in seconds now 06:11:42 <Smoky555> hi 06:12:56 <Smoky555> did somebody know, is it somewhere a patch to allowing more then 2 airports in 1 town? 06:13:26 <Smoky555> OR what i must to change in the source to make this? 06:14:07 *** Pontiac [~Pontiac@node-11286.tor.pppoe.execulink.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19:47 <Jerub> mikk36: Back in my ttd days I had a train network that let me ship oil from one side of the map to the other, with passenger and goods trains running on the same lines. 06:20:22 <Jerub> mikk36: I thought that was totally shithot :( 06:21:08 <Ailure> My TTO networks were lots worse :p 06:21:24 <Ailure> but then since theres only two-way signals it's hard to make advanced networks 06:21:41 <Jerub> TTD had 1 way signals. 06:21:48 <Jerub> but none of the real advanced ones. 06:22:17 <Ailure> eh no 06:22:18 <Ailure> it hadn't 06:22:20 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.201/openTTD/TTO/ 06:22:29 <Ailure> I can confirm as I played around with it 06:22:55 <Ailure> you are thinking of plain TTD now 06:23:01 <Jerub> uh, is 'O' "Original" 06:23:01 <Ailure> which had one-way signals but no pre-signals 06:23:04 <Ailure> yes 06:23:09 <Jerub> because I was saying D for Deluxe. 06:23:18 <Ailure> oh 06:23:19 <Ailure> haha 06:23:22 <Ailure> I misread it as a o 06:23:38 <Ailure> I have two monitors :) 06:23:50 <staniel> how quick do you guys pay off your initial loan? 06:23:51 <Ailure> the second one is a bit more far away and is little fuzzy, so some details isn't too clear 06:24:12 <Jerub> 3 years? less? 06:24:15 <Jerub> I don't recall. 06:25:05 <staniel> yeah, thats about the same... I normally get a few trains in there that are gauranteed to make money, and coast a little 06:25:06 <Jerub> My next game I will have to up the skill level of the competitors a fair way. 06:25:08 <Ailure> well I tend to constantly build with the money I have 06:25:19 <Jerub> they're all hideously in debt and I'm working on breaking 20 million 06:25:21 <Ailure> until I earn so much that the loan can be paid back with no problems 06:25:29 <Ailure> that's pretty much fastest way of repaying loan too 06:25:36 <Ailure> since the intrest is so low 06:26:00 <Jerub> yeah, I always end up with a maxloan until I can't spend the money I have. 06:26:08 <staniel> ahh, yeah, if a good subsidy comes up I take the loan back out lol 06:26:50 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 06:26:57 <Jerub> I put a pair of docks on a lake for shits and giggles, between two small towns. 06:27:25 <Jerub> and I put a goods trucking service into one of those towns very early on, not thinking about it much. 06:27:32 <Ailure> most subsidies aren't that good D: 06:27:53 <Ailure> usually becuse they consist of missions where you connect two points that is sometimes in the same screen 06:28:00 <Jerub> now the one I was trucking goods into ended up being the biggest town, and I had 10 ferries going between the two before the hovercraft was released. 06:28:33 <Jerub> Ailure: yeah, it'd be good if the subsidy thing was more along the lines of: 06:28:52 <Jerub> "Ship coal to power station X otherwise it will close down" 06:29:08 <staniel> well it can help though 06:29:09 <Ailure> I would prefer if it didn't have limited range 06:29:11 <staniel> in the early stages 06:29:17 <Jerub> playing on a 512x512 map I saw so many industries go out of business because of no supply. 06:29:18 <Ailure> that it randomly takes two stations on the whole map 06:29:29 <Ailure> and that it should give more time for really long distances of course 06:29:31 <Jerub> Ailure: a larger range perhaps. 06:29:34 <Jerub> unlimited is a bit much. 06:29:50 <Ailure> depends on the map 06:30:25 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c210-49-162-211.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:30:33 <Ailure> but it wouldn't be too much for a 256x256 map 06:30:40 <Jerub> :( I didn't know about the rule "Every month you don't ship anything into a town" 06:30:47 <Ailure> might be too much for a 2048x2048 one 06:30:59 <Jerub> No wonder some towns hated me when I had a station that wasn't connected up yet. 06:31:14 <Ailure> I made lines going over 1000 tiles 06:31:24 <Jerub> Ailure: how many years for a return trip? 06:31:27 <Ailure> It's fun when trains reports losses as they take more than one year to make profit within one run 06:32:00 <Ailure> for really huge networks, average in last few years is probably more intresting than last year 06:32:09 <Ailure> unless of courtse the time is multiplied 06:32:23 <Jerub> well, it depends. 06:32:31 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 06:32:37 <Jerub> I had a situation where my big station had a gridlock outside it, and I wasn't aware. 06:32:45 <Jerub> on average, the trains were doing alright. 06:32:56 <Jerub> but for a year they were sitting at signals. 06:33:12 <Jerub> I <3 that message in those situations 06:39:20 <staniel> I found that alot of the passenger ones come up again and again 06:40:07 <Jerub> yeah. 06:40:19 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 06:40:20 <Jerub> I was awarded subsidies for passenger transport I was already doing. 06:40:32 <SpComb> that's a win 06:40:36 <staniel> it was great cause you got money for nothing 06:40:36 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:40:43 <Jerub> SpComb: it would be, if it weren't a bus line. 06:40:54 <SpComb> now you just need to ensure that you transport all available passangers 06:41:13 <staniel> dodododod.... subsidy offered.... (3 seconds pass) dodododod.... subsidy awarded 06:41:17 <Jerub> (iirc, I hit clone vehicle 10 times then just to be sure) 06:41:24 <SpComb> the subsidy isn't on the vehicles or anything, I think it's just on the source town and destination town 06:43:43 <staniel> I hate the whole within 9 blocks of the city center 06:44:44 <staniel> mainly if I have other stations withing the city 06:45:34 <Jerub> staniel: oh, is that why I don't get subsidies when I use air transport sometimes? 06:45:37 <Jerub> dang. 06:45:48 <Jerub> hey, are helicopters a good investment? 06:45:49 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46:05 <Jerub> I've yet to have a look to see if they're worth it, I just use them sometimes. 06:46:22 <staniel> Jerub: yeah 06:51:30 <staniel> i've had some helicopters that have made me money 06:51:34 <staniel> but its no jet 06:52:25 <Jerub> Yate :) 06:52:34 <Jerub> I love the yate. 06:53:00 <Jerub> Oh, dang, that reminds me, I have the darwin 300 prototyoe and I forgot to build it. 06:53:10 * Jerub will have to remember to do that when he gets home. 06:53:39 <Jerub> Whats the earliest you can start playing? I wound the clock back to 1900 and there were no vehicles you could buy. 06:53:45 <staniel> I really should turned on the new ai 06:53:58 <staniel> holy shit, he actually got it 06:54:11 <Jerub> got what? 06:54:22 <staniel> hes train line to connect up 06:54:33 <Jerub> who? 06:54:38 <Jerub> oh, the ai :) 06:54:42 <staniel> :P 06:54:57 <Jerub> I hate seeing them do stuff like do bridges over their own train lines :( 06:55:03 <Jerub> It makes me want to buy them out and fix it. 06:55:12 <staniel> lol 06:55:34 <staniel> my ultimate pet peeve is the road bridge over a road 06:55:46 <Jerub> There's one place where the AI is delivering wood to a place I'm shipping (by cargo boat) goods from. 06:55:58 <Jerub> and I feel like buying him out so I can improve his trains. 06:56:29 <Jerub> hey, how do I delete signals form a train line? 06:56:40 <Jerub> control-click doesn't remove, it does the advanced signals. 06:56:59 <staniel> in the train line there, click the signal, then click the bulldozer 06:57:21 <Jerub> oh, I see. 06:57:22 <staniel> the click on the square on the line and it'll remove it 06:57:36 <Jerub> I would always control-click to delete things. 06:57:43 <Jerub> Now I know :) 06:57:53 <peter1138> or press r 06:58:02 <peter1138> hotkeys ftw :D 06:58:17 <Jerub> peter1138: verily. 07:02:22 <Smoky555> more then 2 airports in 1 town, did somebody knows something about this? 07:02:59 <staniel> Smoky555: yeah, you've probably pissed off the local authority 07:03:24 <peter1138> no, it's just not allowed 07:03:32 <staniel> really? 07:03:55 <staniel> oh I guess a heliport and an airport are considered 2 different things? 07:04:35 <peter1138> both considered airports 07:04:55 <staniel> hmm... 07:05:10 <staniel> ohh maybe I bought a competitor out and thats how I got 2... 07:05:33 <peter1138> that's fine. you can't have _more_ than 2 07:05:53 <Smoky555> but i want :( 07:06:22 <peter1138> now that just sounds like a 5 year old 07:06:37 <peter1138> station_cmd.cpp:1546, if you fancy changing it 07:06:46 <peter1138> (in trunk, not 0.5.x) 07:07:38 <Smoky555> 1 privat airport (near the headquarters), 2 (South and North) Federal airports, 1 National airports :) 07:11:03 <staniel> was the detailed performance rating a new thing with openttd? 07:11:03 *** maddy_ [~maddy@84.4.34.128] has joined #openttd 07:19:41 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:20:12 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387FE69.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:20:15 <Smoky555> peter1138 : thanks, it's work :) 07:20:29 <peter1138> no, "it works", not "it's work" 07:34:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:34:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 07:46:31 *** boekabart [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 07:49:46 *** Tron [~tron@p54a3f169.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 08:01:42 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:06:06 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387FE69.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:12:45 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387EA17.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:20:57 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-124-45-209.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 08:25:26 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:31:54 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 08:32:05 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has left #openttd [] 08:38:41 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 08:50:50 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:02:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 09:05:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Jerub> Whats the earliest you can start playing? I wound the clock back to 1900 and there were no vehicles you could buy. <- some newgrf vehicle sets have trains from 1920, the default set starts like 1935, but i don't remember exactly 09:06:14 <peter1138> some sets have vehicles before 1920 now 09:06:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have not seen any of those yet :) 09:07:25 <hylje> roman vehicle set 09:07:33 <hylje> chariots and oxen 09:09:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, i'd really like to see you playing 2500 years, until trains get available :) 09:09:27 <boekabart> noone ever made an EU or US 'early age' trainset? 09:09:44 <boekabart> starting in 1829 or so? 09:09:58 <boekabart> - and carriages instead of trucks/busses - 09:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> boekabart: dates before 1920 don't exist that long 09:10:15 <boekabart> would be interesting, in those days ships were THE de-facto standard for transporting goods. 09:10:26 <peter1138> FUCKING SHITTY OUTLOOK 09:10:31 <boekabart> Hi peter1138 09:10:39 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause3: why not, it would make a extensible road network and big towns for trains to work around 09:10:54 <hylje> and yes, ships 09:16:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> canals were built mostly from the 17th century 09:38:04 *** dfox [~dfox@r4az242.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 09:47:52 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-124-45-209.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47:59 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-124-45-209.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:58:54 *** worm [~worm@flits102-83.flits.rug.nl] has joined #openttd 10:01:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:13:29 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387EA17.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:15:33 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:52 *** Thomas[NL]_ [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:19:52 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:09 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-25-95.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:34:46 *** green-devil [~c@0x57304c21.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:42:14 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:44:20 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-25-95.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 10:49:41 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:17 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 11:12:29 *** worm is now known as totalwormage 11:13:58 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@213.23.133.82] has joined #openttd 11:20:01 *** Thomas[NL]_ is now known as Thomas[NL] 11:25:47 *** geoffk [~geoffk@host81-158-240-31.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:38 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@213.23.133.82] has left #openttd [] 11:42:41 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-16-32.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:44:52 *** geoffk [~geoffk@host81-158-240-31.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:10 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:51 <maddy> Brianetta, is your gameserver still in debugmode? 11:53:03 <Brianetta> yes 11:57:42 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:00:17 * peter1138 ponders disabling the new zoom levels 12:00:24 <peter1138> annoyances! 12:01:16 *** eJoJ [~Aim@89.10.21.193] has joined #openttd 12:03:17 <boekabart> peter1138: why? 12:03:21 <peter1138> hmm? 12:04:44 *** green-devil [~c@0x57304c21.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 12:08:17 <boekabart> peter1138: why disable the new zoom levels? 12:08:56 <Ailure> Maybe he don't like blown up pixels? 12:09:17 <boekabart> new zoom levels are only zoom-out, right? 12:11:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, what is the magic svn incantation for getting all log entries of the last 4 days? 12:13:42 <peter1138> boekabart: because it's harder to get to the 4X out now 12:13:53 <Touqen> `svn help` maybe? 12:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> it says: -r "{" DATE "}", but it does not tell me what format the date should be 12:15:10 <boekabart> Eddi|zuHause3: svn log -r {2007-05-20} 12:15:34 <boekabart> that's not 4 days though :) 12:16:11 <boekabart> Eddi|zuHause3: Sorry, it's: svn log -r {2007-05-20}:HEAD 12:16:56 <hylje> lol wut 12:17:07 <hylje> a loco-and-2-pax-wagons train just ran by 12:17:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> now it actually works :) 12:17:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> i tried -r {2007-05-17}, but i got nothing in return 12:17:49 <Thomas[NL]> thats only one day 12:17:54 <boekabart> hylje: Is it 'lol wut' because there is no railway outside? 12:18:56 <Thomas[NL]> svn log -r{2007-05-17}:HEAD 12:19:00 <hylje> nah because it is such a silly train format 12:20:00 <boekabart> a tram or bus would be more efficient, true 12:20:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> Thomas[NL]: yes, i already said that worked, but if i said -r {2007-05-17} i'd expect it to return all commits on that date, but all i got was a line "--------" 12:20:58 <hylje> trains drop gprs connection like crazy 12:21:25 <hylje> i recall an intercity train not letting the connection establish at all 12:21:43 <hylje> high speeds not all good it seems 12:23:00 <ln-> i've used gprs all the way from north of parkano to turku on the train 12:23:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, in germany, long distance trains have special "cell phone" wagons 12:24:27 <boekabart> with an in-car antenna?? 12:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't know what is special about them, i just know they exist 12:30:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:30:44 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c210-49-162-211.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:47:42 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064096.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:49:49 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 12:50:32 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:51:26 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:52:02 <boekabart> What is the font in these screenshots? http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/NewGRF_Settings 12:54:35 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:29 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:33 <hylje> zomg 12:56:17 <hylje> a newfangled tram 12:56:34 <hylje> i didnt know these vehicles ran this line 12:56:45 <boekabart> no-one knows how they got that font in there? 12:57:16 <hylje> no apparently 12:59:02 <Thomas[NL]> Born Acorn uploaded it 13:01:02 <Thomas[NL]> looks like Arial to me 13:03:07 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 13:03:42 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-25-95.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:07 <peter1138> boekabart: probably arial 13:06:22 *** Alanin is now known as alanin 13:07:27 *** Tino|IfGI [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 13:07:27 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:27 <boekabart> Yea, it's arial. Thanks 13:18:19 <peter1138> what's the status on your two projects? 13:20:33 <boekabart> deepwater+river: I got a bugreport, have to check it out. I'd actually like to propose it te be included without the river thing. Simple and safe. 13:20:55 <boekabart> so just the sealevel 13:21:19 <boekabart> I plan to strip the rivers out and clean it up these days 13:21:30 <boekabart> and then give it to you ;) 13:22:00 <hylje> :o 13:22:13 <hylje> at least we got sumthin 13:22:45 <boekabart> just the higher sealevel is pretty clean and safe, imho, and adds to the possibilities of the game, without breaking any existing concept. 13:22:46 *** Tino|IfGI [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:22:49 *** Tino|IfGI [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 13:24:08 <peter1138> boekabart: ok 13:24:22 <peter1138> boekabart: i'm happy for rivers to be separate, especially if it involves all that flow stuff... 13:24:44 <hylje> finite amount of water is necessary for rivers? 13:24:50 <boekabart> yeah, the way it's done there is too unsafe and too unrealistic to be included, i think 13:24:56 <peter1138> hylje: yes 13:24:58 <boekabart> hylje: I think so, yes 13:25:13 <hylje> and to make sure rivers dont actually run out, springs 13:25:20 <peter1138> water sources, yes 13:25:20 <boekabart> but for that one to work, I need to do a little more work. 13:25:28 <peter1138> *nod* 13:25:30 <hylje> yes 13:25:37 <hylje> first things first 13:25:41 <boekabart> agree 13:33:56 *** Tino|IfGI [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:34:24 *** Firemark2 [tiramo@duv77.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 13:34:37 *** Firemark2 [tiramo@duv77.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:35:25 <elmex> !playercount 13:35:43 <elmex> oops 13:38:31 <boekabart> peter1138: are there any plans for, let's call it 'newvehicles' -> adding instead of replacing vehicles? 13:39:31 <peter1138> i have some, yes 13:39:35 <peter1138> i had a patch, in fact 13:39:49 <peter1138> though it's pre-src/ and pre-c++ 13:40:03 <peter1138> i have been doing little bits of work that go towards it though 13:40:07 <boekabart> would it treat existing newgrfs like 'additions' instead of 'replacements? 13:40:12 <peter1138> yeah 13:40:14 <boekabart> cool 13:40:30 <peter1138> probably with some option to remove the default set 13:40:32 <hylje> so we could have several vehicle newgrf sets active? 13:40:39 <hylje> well 13:40:40 <peter1138> yessssssss 13:40:43 <hylje> newgrf-ize the default se 13:40:44 <hylje> t 13:41:27 <boekabart> do the same plans exist for bridges? 13:41:48 <peter1138> a different plan, ackcherly 13:41:58 <boekabart> of course, but similar goal? 13:42:01 <peter1138> yes 13:42:32 <boekabart> (I just started using newgrfs these days, that's why I come up with the Q now) 13:42:43 <boekabart> newhouses pretty much does just this for houses, right? 13:42:51 <peter1138> yeah 13:43:00 <peter1138> and newstations did it from the outset too 13:43:09 <peter1138> as they don't exist in ttd 13:43:53 <boekabart> actually, that was what I thought when I saw that you can just add as many station newggrfs as you like, but with vehicles you get conflicts 13:45:05 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:45:07 <glx> that's by design in newgrf specs 13:45:47 <boekabart> -> which were probably designed after ttdpatch limitations? 13:46:08 <hylje> lets just give each grf its own namespace 13:46:15 <hylje> so they can conflict with just itself 13:46:33 <boekabart> .. and I saw some commits this weekend, by Rubidium, will this actually allow selecting roadsets per tile? 13:46:56 <glx> not roadset but roadtype 13:47:04 <glx> (normal, tram, whatever) 13:47:08 <peter1138> tram tracks are a road type ;/ 13:47:47 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb7e89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:49:14 <boekabart> I see. But that would mean that some vehicles can drive on more than 1 road type? (cars can drive on road_with_tram type, for example). This is unlike the railtype system, right 13:49:38 <hylje> boekabart: diesel and steam trains can drive on elrail and non-elrail 13:52:04 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:53:18 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387EA17.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:53:51 <boekabart> hylje: a good point you make there :) 13:54:35 <hylje> and really, if you somehow get a train on incompatible track 13:54:40 <hylje> it will run there just fine 13:54:51 <boekabart> try that in real life :) 13:55:04 <hylje> i think ill refrain 13:55:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> there already exists a "compatible rail" concept, which is supposed to be a half-ordering over railtypes (currently "elrail < conventional" is the only non-trivial relation, but that should be extended by things like 'high speed rail'), it should be relatively easy to transfer that concept to roads 13:56:30 <hylje> yeah 13:56:35 <hylje> speed classed rails! 13:58:32 <boekabart> with no level crossings! 13:58:50 <boekabart> and no 45/90 deg corners! 13:58:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 13:59:13 <boekabart> Brianetta is German?? 13:59:16 <hylje> i was thinking of just having an arbitrary amount of rail classes, with diminishing returns 13:59:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, he is not 13:59:45 <boekabart> Eddi|zuHause3: don't tell me you aren't either.... 13:59:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> but afaik he took some german classes a while ago :) 13:59:51 <hylje> so you could upgrade a piece of rail as much as you like, but the benefit diminishes and costs go up 14:01:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, different rails distinguished by build costs, upkeep costs, decay rates and maximum speed (including curve radius) 14:04:39 <hylje> maybe even have % speed modifier on top of that 14:05:01 <hylje> to make crazy rich players spend all their monies on perpertually upgrading their network 14:05:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> ?? 14:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> boekabart: i am german :) 14:06:17 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B65D0C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:07:24 <boekabart> Eddi|zuHause3: well I won't hold you responsible for the 'stau' I was in for hours yesterday on your country's fine freeway A3 14:07:53 <hylje> enjoy your nature expedition on a highway 14:07:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... i was on the A3 yesterday... 14:08:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> there was no "Stau" when i was there :) 14:08:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B829DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:23 <boekabart> going North or South? 14:09:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, south i believe 14:11:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B838FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:11:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> we came from the A1, made a stop in Koblenz, went on "conventional" roads to Montabaur, and left the A3 in Limburg 14:12:05 <boekabart> that is the good piece 14:12:15 <boekabart> nurnberg/fra was the problem 14:12:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> this is funny, within one day, we went on all odd-numbered one-digit routes :) 14:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> A1, A3, A5, A7, A9 14:12:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> (in that order) 14:13:29 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:51 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 14:14:12 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:16:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> all jams we saw were in the opposite direction 14:16:56 <boekabart> very funny 14:17:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> the only slow section was the piece of A7 between "Hattenbacher Dreieck" (A5-A7) and "Kirchheimer Dreieck" (A7-A4), which is only like 4km 14:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> for the fact that we effectively went from west to east, we took an awful lot of odd numbered routes :p 14:21:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> (a route gets an odd number, if it goes (mostly) north-south, and an even number if it goes (mostly) east-west 14:21:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> ) 14:28:03 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:36 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:32:33 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-16-32.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:19 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-3-150.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:46:41 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 14:47:01 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B65D0C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:51 <peterbrett> Eddi|zuHause3: That's so... European. ;) 14:49:46 <boekabart> peterbrett: did you ever look at a US freeway map? 14:50:20 <peterbrett> boekabart: Fortunately not :D 14:50:48 <peterbrett> I think the system of numbering roads with darts and a blindfold works quite well, thank you very much :D 14:50:59 <boekabart> north/south: odd, east-west, even. 14:51:45 *** independence [independen@blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 14:51:53 <boekabart> and the numbering starts in the south with 10, and in the west with 5 14:52:28 <independence> is it bad to transport to much from an industry? 14:52:54 <independence> I read something like that in the forums, that the industry will produce less if you trasport 99% or something like that 14:53:29 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 14:53:45 <boekabart> 99%? I have never been able to transport more than 88% i think.. 14:54:06 <independence> 88% then :P 14:54:09 <independence> whatever 14:55:34 *** arex\ [q@v040c.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 14:56:52 <Thomas[NL]> independence, this http://blog.openttd.org/?p=8 might be interesting 14:57:26 <arex\> When transporting passengers from city to city by train, what's best; Full load/Unload or just Goto? 14:57:46 <peter1138> i use just goto 14:57:52 <peter1138> passengers don't like waiting around, or somesuch 14:58:20 <arex\> It's harder to know when you have enough trains when using goto :D 14:59:45 <independence> Thomas[NL]: ya, but I'm playing r9879 from svn, and I think someone said that they changed it recently? 15:07:32 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-3-150.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:41 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:10:30 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a690e.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:15:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> lots of things change, depends what exactly you mean 15:16:08 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-120-190.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:17:29 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:34 <peter1138> regarding the amount you pickup, nothing has changed for quite some time 15:23:43 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a690e.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 15:24:32 <boekabart> where did this suddenly come from? ini: error in array 'data\newgrf\dbsetxlw.grf' 15:25:03 <peter1138> your config is stuffed? 15:31:07 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has joined #openttd 15:31:50 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:35 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 15:38:13 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:31 *** kaan [jfk@82.192.152.195] has joined #openttd 15:39:37 <kaan> hello all 15:41:12 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 15:41:27 <boekabart> peter1138: stuffed? it's the only newgrf in there 15:41:48 <peter1138> so? 15:41:59 <peter1138> what is the line in the config? 15:42:02 <kaan> i have a suggestion for you guys 15:42:08 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5655.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:13 <boekabart> what so what did you mean by stuffed 15:42:19 *** kornerr [~kornerr@static-ip-85-25-148-242.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #openttd 15:42:22 <kornerr> hi 15:42:30 <peter1138> boekabart, broken 15:42:31 <kornerr> where can i get ttd data files? 15:42:43 <peter1138> kornerr: from... your ttd cd? 15:42:49 <kornerr> i don't have one :P 15:42:54 <peter1138> ah ha 15:42:55 <kaan> oh, now i cant find it, never mind then 15:43:47 <kaan> oh here it is 15:43:56 <kaan> enum { 15:43:56 <kaan> YEAR_ENGINE_AGING_STOPS = 2050, 15:43:56 <kaan> }; 15:44:23 <kaan> shouldnt that be following the year that the user specifies as the ending year? 15:44:34 <kaan> its in engine.cpp 15:44:54 <Rubidium> no, because then in 2100 all maglevs have a reliability of 0 15:45:23 <kaan> oh, thats a good reason :) 15:45:23 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-185-129.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 15:47:58 <boekabart> peter1138: I put a # behind the grf name 15:48:02 <boekabart> thought that was allowed 15:49:29 <peter1138> behind? 15:49:38 <peter1138> foo.grf# ? 15:49:46 <peter1138> #foo.grf is fine... 15:53:36 <kornerr> damn 15:53:44 <kornerr> why won't anyone make some free map?:) 15:53:58 <kornerr> without original ttd 15:54:21 <peter1138> hmm? 15:54:27 <peter1138> you mean free graphics? 15:54:37 <kornerr> no 15:54:39 <kornerr> free map 15:54:44 <peter1138> oh 15:54:46 <kornerr> that files that are on ttd cd 15:54:58 <glx> scenarios? 15:54:58 <peter1138> lots of people make scenarios 15:55:55 <kornerr> so i can play without original ttd? 15:56:29 *** alanin is now known as Alanin 15:57:17 <peter1138> ... 15:57:23 <peter1138> it's the graphics you need 15:57:29 <kornerr> damn 15:57:33 <peter1138> the map... the map is randomly generated anyway 15:57:36 <kornerr> so i can't play without original one? 15:57:45 <peter1138> no 15:57:50 <kornerr> awful :( 15:57:59 <boekabart> you can buy it on the net, the original 15:58:15 <kornerr> i wish i had money, lol 15:58:15 <boekabart> sometimes you can even buy a download version for veeeeeeery little money. 15:58:21 <kornerr> veeeery? 15:58:27 <kornerr> how veeery? 15:58:33 <Ammler> boekabart: where? 15:58:49 <boekabart> oh come on get a hint. i'm not saying more 15:59:03 <kornerr> lol 15:59:15 <kornerr> is there any other similar free game? 15:59:23 <peter1138> ttdpatch? ;-p 15:59:29 <kornerr> o_0 15:59:31 <kornerr> what? 15:59:35 <peter1138> but, oh wait, that needs ttd, heh 15:59:45 <peter1138> simutrans? if you have a stupidly fast computer 15:59:57 <peter1138> freetrain if you want something that isn't similar at all 16:00:03 <kornerr> lol 16:00:11 <kornerr> ttd is an economical game, right?:) 16:00:22 <peter1138> lies, it's a train game :) 16:00:26 <kornerr> lol 16:00:29 <kornerr> LOL 16:00:45 <boekabart> ... with buses and planes as scenery. eyecandy 16:00:56 <peter1138> but anyway 16:01:04 <peter1138> be wary of buying from ebay 16:01:08 <kornerr> meh 16:01:12 <kornerr> impossible 16:01:15 <kornerr> :) 16:01:24 <Ammler> boekabart: I mean that serious, is it really possible to buy TTD? 16:01:24 <peter1138> as there are a lot of, uh, non-original copies 16:01:30 <peter1138> yes it is 16:01:52 <boekabart> Ammler: no, i meant illegal download. it is very very hard to find original copies nowadays 16:01:53 <kornerr> is there an on-line something like ttd?:) 16:02:02 <kornerr> so illegal 16:02:04 <kornerr> is what i want 16:02:05 <kornerr> lol 16:02:10 <kornerr> :D 16:02:13 <boekabart> a lot of people call it abandonware and offer it for download... it just officially isn't 16:02:33 <boekabart> but that word ^^ will help you so much on your google journey 16:02:40 <glx> and we won't provide links here 16:02:42 <kornerr> abandonware? 16:02:43 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Quit: Hardware maintainance] 16:02:46 * boekabart is shutting up now 16:02:47 <glx> but you can ask google 16:02:57 <kornerr> so the word is abandonware? 16:03:04 <Ammler> kornerr: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=3407 16:03:08 <peter1138> is it really that hard to use a search engine? 16:03:22 <kornerr> it's hard to know what to search for 16:03:43 <boekabart> what? there are links on the forum? did not know that 16:03:57 <peter1138> if i was to search a download for something, i'd start with, er, download 16:04:11 <peter1138> heh, that page is, guess what, first hit on google for "download ttd" 16:04:24 <peter1138> maybe that was too imaginative... 16:04:39 <peter1138> "I really would urge people wanting TTD not to download it illegally since that means Chris Sawyer will miss out on the income he might have recieved should" 16:04:42 <kornerr> i don't search for download word, it always redirects to payware or whatever 16:04:42 <peter1138> hehe 16:05:28 <kornerr> cool 16:05:30 <kornerr> links are good 16:05:33 <boekabart> anyway, problem solved 16:05:55 <kornerr> in case, i came here from ReactOS screen shot page, i didn't know it's ttd i've played a while ago 16:05:56 <kornerr> hehe 16:06:13 <Ammler> can't believe that it was easier to find this channel than a download page 16:06:25 <kornerr> lol 16:07:51 <boekabart> have fun playing openttd, then 16:08:03 <kornerr> hm 16:08:19 <kornerr> are patches just files? 16:08:24 <kornerr> i don't need windows, right? 16:08:51 <glx> openttd can run on many platforms 16:08:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1d555.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:09:14 <kornerr> i mean that patch... 16:09:16 <Ammler> kornerr: download only the graphics 16:09:23 <kornerr> without patch? 16:09:37 <glx> .patch or .diff? 16:09:41 <Ammler> and ottd of course 16:09:43 <kornerr> ttdpatch 16:09:50 <kornerr> no need for that? 16:09:54 <glx> not needed for openttd 16:09:58 <kornerr> ok 16:10:13 <Ammler> ttdpatch is only for windows 16:10:30 <glx> Ammler: wrong, there's a dos version 16:10:36 <Ammler> :), ok 16:11:20 <Ammler> thats my original, (only tt) 16:15:37 <Prof_Frink> glx: And it works under wine 16:18:29 <Sionide> is ttdp still going then? 16:18:39 <Sionide> i never saw why there's a need for both projects.. 16:20:16 <peter1138> there isn't 16:20:30 <peter1138> hence 0.5.2 is the last openttd release 16:20:49 <hylje> wut 16:20:58 <Sionide> very funny 16:22:51 <kornerr> o_0 16:26:37 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb7e89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 16:30:22 <kornerr> thanks for help 16:30:22 <kornerr> cu 16:30:24 *** kornerr [~kornerr@static-ip-85-25-148-242.inaddr.intergenia.de] has left #openttd [õÈÏÖÕ Ñ ÏÔ ×ÁÓ] 16:30:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host4-58-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:30:43 <Wolf01> hello 16:30:51 *** staniel|home [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:24 <Thomas[NL]> hi 16:33:42 <skidd13> As far as I remember TTDPatch isn't limited to Windows. It is limited to x86. 16:34:29 <peter1138> there are emulators :D 16:34:57 <Sacro> peter1138: wine is not an emulator 16:35:03 <peter1138> yes it is 16:35:11 <peter1138> it emulates windows syscalls 16:36:07 <skidd13> I wan't talking about emulators. I ment native. It's written in assembler so it's limited to the architecture (x86). :) 16:36:27 <hylje> peter1138: WINE IMPLEMENTS WIN32 APIS YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD 16:36:42 <peter1138> EMULATES 16:37:00 <peter1138> hmm, tyan s2915a2nrf 16:37:01 <skidd13> But enougth from that Patch stuff.. We are in #openttd. ;) 16:37:05 <peter1138> 2x socket f mobo 16:37:10 <peter1138> mmm, ginormous :D 16:37:20 <peter1138> £287! 16:37:25 <hylje> socket f? 16:37:29 *** staniel [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:32 <hylje> is dat sum opteron socket 16:38:06 <peter1138> yes 16:38:10 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest76 16:38:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host238-236-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:38:50 <Ailure> 4 16:39:24 <peter1138> hmm, 14 SATA ports on board 16:40:39 <skidd13> There is an assertion "road_map.h:22 RoadTileType GetRoadTileType(TileIndex): Assertion `IsTileType(t, MP_STREET)' failed.". It happens if I try to remove the roadstop (bot not the road -> shortcut "R") 16:40:45 <peter1138> 2 pci-e x16, 2 pci-e x16 (x8), 2 pci-x, 1 pci 16:40:56 <peter1138> heh, sli too 16:41:54 *** boekabart [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:42:14 *** boekabart [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 16:44:30 *** Guest76 [~wolf01@host4-58-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:50 *** Patrick [pitt2@saturn.retrosnub.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:56:58 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5655.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:58:19 *** staniel|desktop [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:45 *** amazon10x [amazon10x@blinkenshell.org] has left #openttd [] 17:01:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9895 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix: assertion when removing roadstop. 17:02:11 *** arex\ [q@v040c.studby.ntnu.no] has left #openttd [] 17:03:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:05:05 *** staniel|home [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:22 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest79 17:08:22 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host238-236-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:08:22 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 17:15:19 *** Guest79 [~wolf01@host238-236-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:43 <Ailure> soon r99xx 17:34:05 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:34:50 *** maddy_ [~maddy@84.4.34.128] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:49 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387EA17.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:43:37 *** MiO [~MiO@port-212-202-37-143.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:47:03 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387EA17.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:49:45 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 17:59:55 <Wolf01> Ailure: like in 1999 we din't know if we are already in the 21st century or still in the 20th, because of ancient date errors, we don't know if we have already passed 10000 because of the first svn crash, or at least, we have, the first svn had 193 revisions if i'm not wrong :P 18:00:26 <Ailure> But isn't that for a relativly long time ago? 18:00:33 <Ailure> heh 18:00:34 <Ailure> then 18:00:55 <Ailure> then it seems like 18:01:22 <Ailure> revisions comes more often nowadays, but the revisions themself dosen't change as much stuff :p 18:01:25 <peter1138> Wolf01: for certain values of 193 meaning 975 18:03:42 <peter1138> i am assuming, of course, that the first svn was really the first svn 18:04:10 <ln-> why didn't someone push the revision back to 975 when importing the stuff to the new svn? 18:04:33 <peter1138> because life's too short? 18:04:52 <Wolf01> there is the 9 ;P 18:11:38 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:11:47 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 18:12:53 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:01 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp91-76-144-20.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:15:11 *** maddy [Marc-Andre@AMontpellier-256-1-107-129.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 18:29:31 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has joined #openttd 18:32:53 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 18:39:26 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A67EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:40:12 *** staniel|home [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 18:42:05 <guru3> Anyone know why my make of 0.5.1 from source is saying version 0.4.8 in the title window? 18:42:23 <Rubidium> because you didn't make 0.5.1 18:42:33 <Rubidium> *or* you are running the wrong binary 18:42:50 <guru3> yeah... stupid question on my part 18:42:52 <guru3> forgot ./ 18:43:05 <peter1138> heh 18:43:14 <guru3> so you know, don't mind me 18:43:16 <guru3> i'm off in crazy land 18:46:59 *** staniel|desktop [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:02 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A67EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:53:23 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:38 <mikk36> lol 18:56:00 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:59:53 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:48 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:02:08 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-120-190.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:49 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:11:11 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:12 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:16:07 *** staniel|desktop [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:02 <hylje> monty python is silly 19:18:58 <peterbrett> O RLY? 19:20:30 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:58 <hylje> YES, REALLY! 19:21:03 <peterbrett> heh 19:21:14 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:23:09 *** staniel|home [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:35 <mikk36> woot 19:24:40 <mikk36> 2 extra zoom-out levels 19:24:43 <mikk36> this rocks 19:25:10 <Wolf01> and rocks are a little heavy for old pc 19:25:19 <peterbrett> hehe 19:25:41 <mikk36> i aint got an old pc :) 19:29:08 <Wolf01> have you ever tried with a 2k*2k enough crowded map? 19:29:56 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:24 <mikk36> haa 19:30:34 <mikk36> i got a buggie again :) 19:32:53 <mikk36> http://pildid.mikk36.eu/v/sodi/buggie.PNG.html description: keep new vehicles window open and then enable wagon speed limits 19:33:08 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:33:39 *** staniel|desktop is now known as staniel 19:35:05 <mikk36> argh, now remove signals button greyed itself automatically, but is still enabled 19:35:14 <mikk36> signal button still down 19:39:12 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:57 <peter1138> stupid galleries that 'scale down' but make image file sizes way way larger 19:40:40 <peter1138> and, heh, changing wagon speed limits during a game is a bad idea 19:40:53 <peter1138> especially on a server (desyncs ahoy) 19:41:02 <Wolf01> i use directly 1024*768 images for thumbnails on my site :P 19:41:09 <hylje> wut 19:41:34 <peter1138> 640x487 is hardly a thumbnail 19:41:36 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:42:02 <peter1138> and at 446KB is 1.5x larger than the original at 298KB... 19:42:08 <peter1138> ne'r mind 19:46:58 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7E89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:08 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:23 <mikk36> haa 19:51:24 <mikk36> crash :) 19:51:42 <mikk36> peter1138, it's a single player game anyway 19:51:49 <mikk36> and, peter1138, u can click on it to get full pi 19:51:50 <mikk36> pic* 19:52:07 <peter1138> yes, after wasting time on the 'small' version :p 19:52:17 <mikk36> yeh, noticed myself too now 19:52:21 <mikk36> almost twice the size 19:52:30 *** kaan [jfk@82.192.152.195] has quit [] 19:52:54 <mikk36> but i have those 640x480's for default for huge 1600x1200+ renders 19:53:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:33 <Wolf01> sacro, i have a new game for you 19:53:36 <Wolf01> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/139/393827676_54b922ff69.jpg 19:54:10 <mikk36> http://pildid.mikk36.eu/v/sodi/buggie2.PNG.html 19:54:19 *** Kjetil [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 19:54:26 <mikk36> lol Wolf01 19:54:42 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:46 <Kjetil> Hi. I am back :P 19:55:16 <Wolf01> hi, welcome back 19:55:49 * Kjetil notices that bjarni is absent 19:56:51 <Wolf01> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/136/393827115_2e6014456d_o.jpg lol 19:57:38 <glx> mikk36: what were you doing when it happened? 19:57:50 <mikk36> uhm, almost nothing 19:57:53 <mikk36> trying to recreate 19:58:00 <mikk36> i have a savegame right before it 19:58:09 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:59:17 *** lolman_ [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:59:19 <mikk36> hmh, doesn't happen 19:59:24 <mikk36> i was... basicly doing nothing 19:59:27 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:42 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-25-95.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 19:59:44 <mikk36> just watching things happening 19:59:45 *** lolman__ [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:01:21 <mikk36> http://pildid.mikk36.eu/v/sodi/autosave10_sav.html 20:02:05 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 20:02:40 *** lolman__ [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 20:04:27 *** lolman_ [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:04:42 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:12 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:05:26 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-25-95.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:35 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:06 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-25-95.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:08:37 *** staniel|home [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:30 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:35 *** staniel [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:38 <Wolf01> 'night 20:17:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host238-236-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:18:11 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:54 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:37 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:26:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:27:28 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 20:27:28 <Bjarni> !logs 20:27:48 *** staniel|desktop [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:03 <Bjarni> hi Kjetil 20:28:07 <Bjarni> nice to see you again :) 20:29:14 *** staniel|desktop [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:17 *** staniel|desktop [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:22 *** staniel|home [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:30:33 <Bjarni> looks like this channel is playing a quiet game right now 20:30:35 <Bjarni> so be it 20:30:40 * Bjarni joins the game 20:36:06 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:37:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 20:49:45 <Bjarni> lol. I just read a nice signature on a (non-OTTD) forum. Translated it says "Don't watch porno while you talk on skype - people can hear it" 20:50:02 *** Sleepie [~Sleepie@p54B354C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:40 <mikk36> :) 20:56:57 <mikk36> heh, nice error i got from printer :) 20:56:58 <mikk36> Electromagnetic clutch error, please shut down printer and then resume. documents will continue to print after you switch printer on. 20:57:59 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 20:58:00 <Bjarni> "please shut down printer and then resume" <-- didn't it skip the turn on again part? :D 20:59:54 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:08 *** jlaw [~jlaw@p54891CA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:02:56 <Kjetil> So.. any exiting new stuff ? 21:03:27 <Rubidium> nope 21:03:28 <jlaw> hi, i am trying to get openttd to run in ubuntu feisty 64 dchrooted 32 bit system. when i start it i hear the first sound but it exits without any error message. is ther a known issue with connecting to xserver or something? 21:04:00 <Kjetil> tried -vo null ? 21:04:08 <jlaw> yep 21:05:11 <jlaw> behaves exactly as mentioned, sdl gives an error and the other "seemingly" works (sound is present) there is some positive console output about generating map, but no gui 21:05:17 <mikk36> Bjarni, sry, i didn't remember what exactly was written 21:05:50 <mikk36> but the error itself was fun, some device inside me has given error, please restart me :P 21:10:18 <guru3> How about earning interest on money stored in the bank? 21:10:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> jlaw: tried "-d 1" or something? 21:11:14 <guru3> jlaw: also tried running xhost local:localhost ? 21:11:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1d555.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:03 <ln-> there's no 64-bit port? 21:16:04 <jlaw> guru3, other programs like opera work flawless out of th dchrooted system ... but i'll give it a try 21:18:57 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:19:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> there are win64 builds, so with the correct librarys it should compile and run on 64 bit linux systems 21:19:09 <mikk36> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJn_jC4FNDo 21:23:00 <guru3> I just compiled it on my 64-bit gentoo myself and it's running fine. 21:23:43 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7134.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:46 <Sleepie> question to the devs: the new zoom levels are really a great improvement, are there any plans to implement something similar for the minimap? 21:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> minimap zoom is planned 21:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> but it's ages ago that i have seen any progress on that 21:27:50 <Rubidium> Sleepie: if you can fix the bugs with it... 21:28:06 <Rubidium> there's a patch in the tracker that is still a little buggy 21:28:24 <Sleepie> hmm I think you which one you mean 21:28:45 <Rubidium> ??? 21:28:58 <Sleepie> the one I mentioned in my suggestions thread some weeks ago 21:29:45 <Rubidium> don't know 21:29:49 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has quit [Quit: HMage] 21:30:08 <Sleepie> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/54 21:30:29 <Sleepie> or did you mean something different? 21:31:00 <Rubidium> yes that one 21:32:25 <Sleepie> hmm, I'm in too much projects atm 21:33:18 <Sleepie> perhaps in a month or two I'll have a little time to look into it 21:33:52 *** jlaw [~jlaw@p54891CA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:34:48 <Sleepie> Are there further infos about it that are not mentioned in the flyspray entry? 21:36:30 <Rubidium> not really, only that it's pre C++, so you need to mess a little with the patch file itself to get it applied 21:38:21 <Sleepie> of course, it's also very outdated (Nov. 06) so I guess many other things have changed since the last update 21:38:53 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 21:42:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1d555.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:24 <Rubidium> Sleepie: to that particular piece of code probably not more than the merge of C++ 21:45:52 <Sleepie> Rubidium: even better then :) but as I said very low priority on my todolist atm ;) 21:46:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> some minimap stuff was affected by newindustries stuff, but i don't know if that part is already in trunk, or if it will have any influence 21:48:24 <Sleepie> that was probably only more industry icons, because with new industries we will have more of them 21:49:22 *** Apocalipsys [Apocalipsy@190.156.92.66] has joined #openttd 21:49:23 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause3: that doesn't affect the scaling of the inner window 21:52:01 <Sleepie> Rubidium: Exist more information sources about the code internals besides the code itself and the wiki? 21:52:32 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:52:36 <Rubidium> not really 21:52:58 <Rubidium> unless you count some pieces of TTDP that might give you inspiration 21:53:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> the commit messages might also give you hints 21:53:40 <Sleepie> no prob it was just to be sure I haven't overlooked something ;) 21:54:14 <Rubidium> and the wiki doesn't talk about the 'deep' internals 21:56:21 *** staniel|home [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9897 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: prepare the toolbar for more road types. 21:59:56 <Sleepie> When I'm on it I'll ask my question here if don't understand something in the code ;) 22:02:02 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 22:03:15 *** staniel|desktop [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:44 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387EA17.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:12:37 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-25-95.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:53 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-25-95.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:12:58 <Bjarni> damn 22:13:06 <Bjarni> bash.org is dangerous 22:13:16 <Bjarni> when it's working, it steals your time 22:13:34 <Bjarni> now it decided to save me from doing that by crashing firefox when entering 22:13:51 <Sleepie> lol 22:14:03 <ln-> you're using firefox? 22:14:10 <Sacro> Bjarni: http://svn-finder.sourceforge.net/ 22:14:15 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387EA17.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:32 <Bjarni> <ln-> you're using firefox? <-- I was a moment ago 22:14:36 <Bjarni> :p 22:15:45 <totalwormage> hehe 22:16:15 <totalwormage> <ln-> i thought 'that tag i don't know' 22:16:17 <totalwormage> hoopytoo 22:16:43 <Bjarni> Sacro: every time I tried something else than the command line interface for SVN I ended up with something unexpected 22:16:48 <Bjarni> like a slowdown 22:17:14 <Bjarni> CLI access to svn is reliable, fast and not a hassle to set up 22:17:21 <ln-> have i said something like that? 22:17:59 <Bjarni> <Bjarni> Sacro: 22:18:10 <Bjarni> ln-: I'm not talking to you about SVN ;) 22:18:14 <Sacro> <Bjarni> <Bjarni> Sacro: 22:18:25 <Bjarni> even though you are welcome to read it anyway 22:18:40 <Bjarni> <Sacro> <Bjarni> <Bjarni> Sacro: <-- this is getting boring :p 22:18:52 <Sacro> <Bjarni> <Sacro> <Bjarni> <Bjarni> Sacro: <-- this is getting boring :p <-- true 22:19:15 <Bjarni> <Sacro> <Bjarni> <Sacro> <Bjarni> <Bjarni> Sacro: <-- this is getting boring :p <-- true <--- next person to do that will be kicked 22:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Bjarni> <Sacro> <Bjarni> <Sacro> <Bjarni> <Bjarni> Sacro: <-- this is getting boring :p <-- true <--- next person to do that will be kicked <<-- yes please :p 22:19:53 <Rubidium> @kick Eddi|zuHause3 as requested 22:19:54 *** Eddi|zuHause3 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [as requested] 22:19:55 <Bjarni> @kick Sacro you know why 22:20:01 <Sacro> <Eddi|zuHause3>> <Bjarni> <Sacro> <Bjarni> <Sacro> <Bjarni> <Bjarni> Sacro: <-- this is getting boring :p <-- true <--- next person to do that will be kicked <<-- yes please :p <-- AND ME :D 22:20:07 <Bjarni> err 22:20:09 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75417.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:20:11 <Sacro> mwahahaha 22:20:13 <Rubidium> @kick Sacro as requested 22:20:14 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [as requested] 22:20:22 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:20:32 <Sacro> @kick Bjarni 22:20:34 <Sacro> :( 22:20:45 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [manual activation never failed] 22:20:52 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:20:58 <Sacro> http://dietler.net/inflate.html how worrying 22:23:05 <Bjarni> hmm 22:23:18 <Sacro> i wonder what happens if you unplug it 22:23:36 * Bjarni wonders if Sacro will be more careful not to puncture the ground in the future 22:26:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1d555.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:21 <Bjarni> http://bash.org/?104238 <--- heh. Doesn't sound Japanese at all :P 22:31:49 <Jerub> how does "Transfer" work in terms of the money you receive? 22:32:20 <Jerub> I set up a train from a coal mine to a dock, and then transported the coal by ship to a power station. 22:32:36 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064096.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32:37 <Jerub> So I seemed to receive the money for transporting the coal to the docks as soon as it got there. 22:32:54 <Bjarni> no you don't 22:33:05 <Rubidium> Jerub: that's only virtual money so the train doesn't get a negative profit 22:33:13 <Jerub> oh, i see. 22:33:15 <Bjarni> you get virtual money on the vehicle income 22:33:18 <Jerub> that makes sense. 22:33:20 <Rubidium> you are finally paid when the coal has been delivered 22:33:26 <Jerub> cool. 22:33:29 <Bjarni> but you will not get real money before the cargo reaches it's real destination 22:33:38 <Bjarni> hmm 22:33:45 <Jerub> This isn't noted on the wiki. 22:33:56 <Bjarni> maybe it looks better if only one of us tries to explain this at any given time :) 22:34:28 <Bjarni> multiplexing two explanations for the same thing didn't look professional :p 22:34:35 <Jerub> shrug :p 22:34:50 <Jerub> I op over in #python, sometimes things get explained 4 ways. 22:34:58 <Jerub> and sometimes nearly 2 explanations are actually correct. 22:35:10 <Jerub> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Transfer_order%2C_setting_up_feeder_systems 22:36:21 <Bjarni> you mean you get two wrong explanations as well? 22:36:48 <Bjarni> lol, I just opened X11 by mistake xD 22:36:59 <Bjarni> typo 22:38:50 <Rubidium> Bjarni: you were just slow ;) 22:39:42 <Sacro> http://www.badhorsey.net/gallery/gothenburg.jpg hahahaha 22:41:11 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7134.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:44:17 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:03 <Bjarni> Sacro: either it's not funny or I'm missing the point :/ 22:47:00 <Sacro> Bjarni: the latter 22:47:21 *** Haclet [~haclet@77-97-206-88.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:47:27 <Rubidium> Bjarni: you totally missed that Sacro thinks *everything* is funny 22:49:05 <Bjarni> right 22:50:43 <Jerub> The thing that I was thinking this morning was "It would be nice if I could tell a train to go upgrade itsel" 22:51:55 <Rubidium> yeah, Bjarni had the same idea ago I believe ;) 22:53:07 <Jerub> Also with ships. 22:53:19 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.45] has joined #openttd 22:53:19 <Jerub> going from ferries to hovercraft was annoying. 22:54:13 <Bjarni> . . . 22:54:17 <Jerub> (I love how boats don't collide with each other, I can move 2000 people a month from a city using hovercraft) 22:54:58 <Bjarni> Jerub: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Autoreplace 22:55:40 <Bjarni> I think I added this in 0.3.6, but it might be even older than that 22:55:54 <Jerub> yow. 22:55:57 <Jerub> okay, awesome. 22:57:17 <Bjarni> I think so too 22:57:27 <Kjetil> Has depot replace been implemented ? 22:57:32 <Bjarni> no 22:57:43 <Bjarni> hmm 22:57:44 <Kjetil> *blows the dust of his old patch* 22:57:54 <Bjarni> why was it that I stopped looking at that? :) 22:58:00 <Jerub> I haven't gone to monorail or maglev yet. 22:58:33 <Jerub> Is it hard to move a reasonable sized network to monorail? 22:58:41 <Bjarni> I just wondered. It's called monorail when there is one rail. Is normal railroad tracks called dualrail? 22:59:11 <Jerub> Bjarni: When I talk about tracks I usually talk about its gauge. 22:59:13 <Kjetil> *goes to the corner and starts crying* "It has hardcoded values" :/ 22:59:34 *** geoffK [~geoff@host81-158-240-31.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:59:43 <Jerub> I live in Qld, Australia, most of our trains here are narrowgauge. 23:00:08 <Jerub> But you can't talk about monorail in terms of its gauge. 23:00:48 <Jerub> having only 1 rail and all :p 23:01:16 <Bjarni> hmm 23:01:37 <Bjarni> then what do you call the width of the track... 23:01:47 <Kjetil> 1AWG track 23:01:48 <Kjetil> :P 23:01:52 <Bjarni> "track width"? 23:02:29 <Bjarni> <Jerub> Bjarni: When I talk about tracks I usually talk about its gauge. <--- I usually refer to a track as "a track". We only use standard gauge here 23:03:15 <Bjarni> when talking about a different gauge, then the gauge is indicated and it's usually a far away place as well 23:03:18 <Bjarni> or a closed railroad 23:03:49 <Bjarni> <Kjetil> *goes to the corner and starts crying* "It has hardcoded values" :/ <--- that's stupid. Beat up the coder :p 23:04:17 <Kjetil> *finds the cluebat and beats the living crap out of a younger version of himself* 23:05:21 <Jerub> Bjarni: we have too many different gauges :( 23:05:23 <Bjarni> that's cruel 23:05:31 <Bjarni> you beat up your younger brother? 23:06:28 <Kjetil> Nah.. I used a timemachine and made sure that I wouldn't write such horrible code 23:06:32 <Bjarni> <Jerub> Bjarni: we have too many different gauges :( <-- do as we did. Use 3 rail systems for a while and only buy/build standard gauge rolling stock. Eventually you will get rid of the narrow gauge shit 23:07:27 <Jerub> Bjarni: hehehe, one problem is that the best run and most timely and profitable train company in australia is narrow gauge. 23:07:39 <Bjarni> every single rail line in the country uses the same gauge and are connected (with the exception of a few closed ones used for vintage operation only) 23:08:12 <Jerub> our interstate and longdistance rail is on standard gauge I think. 23:08:42 <Bjarni> <Jerub> Bjarni: hehehe, one problem is that the best run and most timely and profitable train company in australia is narrow gauge. <-- interesting. Japanese railroads are all narrow gauge and they are never late. The only exception is Shinkansen, which uses standard gauge. However it's never late either 23:09:13 <Jerub> hehe 23:09:37 <Jerub> I think it's got more to do with who runs the railways than the railways themselves, but yeah, it's interesting. 23:09:51 <Bjarni> maybe we picked the wrong gauge when selecting the standard one. If we picked another one, the trains would not be late anymore 23:09:59 <Bjarni> somehow I don't think that's the case 23:11:33 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOtiwP3GSnU&NR=1 <-- even though the trains are on time, I wouldn't like so crowded trains :/ 23:13:03 <Bjarni> I like how people keep trying to get in when they try to close the doors and the railroad staff pushes people inside 23:13:20 <Bjarni> it's fun as long as you don't have to be on the train :p 23:13:33 <Jerub> I used to live in hong kong. 23:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Bjarni> when talking about a different gauge, then the gauge is indicated and it's usually a far away place as well <- a lot of routes in the mountains of germany are narrow gauge, usually when sharp turns were required 23:13:47 <Bjarni> I know 23:13:50 <Jerub> hk trains simply don't have timetables, they just run as many as are needed. 23:14:01 <Bjarni> hk? 23:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> also, about half the tram systems are narrow gauge 23:14:46 <Jerub> hong kong. 23:14:49 <Bjarni> ahh 23:15:48 *** Haclet [~haclet@77-97-206-88.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 23:16:34 <Jerub> no idea about the gauge there though. 23:16:55 <Bjarni> well, running without a timetable will only work with frequent departures and one way traffic on each track 23:17:24 <Jerub> oh, there might have been a timetable internally, but there wasn't one that a member of the public could read. 23:17:37 <Jerub> you just go to the station and get on the next train. 23:17:47 <Jerub> it's 98% underground too. 23:18:00 <Jerub> so yeah, 1 way traffic on the tracks, that kind of thing. 23:18:06 <Bjarni> In Hong Kong, the Mass Transit Railway uses 1432 mm gauge, 3 mm narrower than standard gauge. <-- taken from wikipedia 23:18:21 <Jerub> hehehehe 23:18:28 <Jerub> 3mm narrower than standard gauge. 23:18:42 <Bjarni> you can easily fit a 1435 mm train there 23:18:44 <Jerub> always gotta be different. 23:18:51 * Jerub ponders. 23:18:53 <Bjarni> it will fit 23:19:02 <Jerub> I wonder how hard a 'subway' station would be in openttd. 23:19:09 <glx> very hard 23:19:15 <glx> the map doesn't support it 23:19:28 <Bjarni> we lack a decent way to allocate memory for it 23:19:57 <Jerub> Just thinking about it. we already have tunnels. 23:20:16 <glx> fake tunnels indeed 23:20:21 <Jerub> So if you had a 'station' which was aboveground but could only be put there when a tunnel was underneath. 23:20:26 <Jerub> then a train could stop there. 23:20:53 <glx> tunnels are not real in openttd 23:22:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> you'd need submaps or stacked tiles for that 23:22:35 <Bjarni> I like how trains travelling from Russia to China stops to replace bogies to continue on a new gauge 23:24:30 <Jerub> .... 23:24:48 <Jerub> I just had an entirely evil idea. 23:25:11 <Jerub> What if you made subways invisible flying trains. 23:25:13 <Jerub> :p 23:25:28 <Bjarni> you are right 23:25:32 <Bjarni> that's an evil idea 23:25:39 <Bjarni> it wouldn't work though 23:26:02 <Bjarni> Japan converted its British-derived buffer and chain couplings to the American Janney coupling over a period of a few days in the early 1920s, after considerable preparation. <--- wow. That was quick 23:26:32 <Tefad> srly 23:38:07 *** geoffK [~geoff@host81-158-240-31.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:48:18 <Bjarni> night 23:48:19 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving]