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00:09:42 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-100-245.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:16:10 *** Nigel [~nigel@202.154.148.243] has joined #openttd 00:28:11 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl4-208-234.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:33:03 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:39:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:47:59 <Sacro> !openttd commit 00:48:01 <_42_> Commit by bjarni :: r9982 /trunk/src/autoreplace_cmd.cpp (2007-05-29 20:52:35 UTC) 00:48:03 <_42_> -Fix (r9874): autoreplacing vehicles from a group could sometimes add the new vehicle twice to the engine (EngineID, not total count) count in the group 00:48:03 <Sacro> whoo 00:48:07 <Sacro> i did it :D 00:54:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82BB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [icebears... take care of them!] 01:06:54 *** CrlMan [~CrlMan@c90674d3.static.spo.virtua.com.br] has joined #openttd 01:07:57 <CrlMan> hello! I from brasil and i perhaps that the transfers doesnt working any more. anyone knows why? 01:12:12 <CrlMan> like i have done in the past, any stations for coal. i get coal from the first station transfer it to the second and get it in the second with the coal load local too and delivery it in the power station. ok, but know i dont receive anymore for the transfer... just for the last path (from the second station to the destination). can anyone help-me please?! 01:16:57 <CrlMan> H E L L O!? 01:17:12 <Sacro> that sounds right to me 01:19:45 <Jerub> CrlMan: What happens is that you only actually get money for the final delivery 01:20:13 <Jerub> CrlMan: the train that does the transfer gets 'fake' money to maek sure it doesn't have a negative profit. 01:21:14 <Jerub> and the train that picks up the cargo has that fake money taken off its profit for the year. 01:21:42 <Belugas> and make sure the last leg of the trip is "Full Load" and "Unload" 01:21:57 <CrlMan> yes... latter i get the money from entire track fro vaggons with load from the first station... a transfer, obiviously. But it has getting a negative profit... try it. i have a player in the first game of server. look there! 01:21:57 <Belugas> would be stupid otherwise 01:22:08 <CrlMan> the last leg is exactly like u said. 01:22:45 <CrlMan> 1 second. i have a very poor english, but i'll try to explaim better. 01:23:16 <Belugas> which version of the program are you running? 01:23:36 <CrlMan> 0.52 01:23:41 <CrlMan> RC1 01:23:56 <CrlMan> in the version 0.49 i receive the entire payment. 01:24:04 <CrlMan> was wonderful! :D 01:24:24 <CrlMan> sorry. 0.50 01:25:45 <CrlMan> pay atention please. 01:27:28 <Jerub> We're listening. 01:27:51 <Jerub> I run 0.5.1-rc2 and I don't have this problem. 01:28:23 <CrlMan> i have a train with 10 vagoons of coal. this train get the coal on my first station and delivery it on the second station where is a coal farm too. BEFORE in the second station chart i have the amout of local coal and the amount of remote coal (in route CARGO). now, when i do the transfer it doesnt work more. 01:28:57 <CrlMan> do u receive the entire payment for your delivery when you do transfers? 01:29:17 <CrlMan> Jerub ? 01:30:51 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74E8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:31:11 <Jerub> yes. 01:33:08 <Jerub> when you look at the second train, do you see "coal from station 1" on some cars and "coal from station 2" on some other cars? 01:33:35 <CrlMan> NOPE! is exactly this that i try to explain! 01:33:49 <CrlMan> just coal from station two. 01:34:18 <CrlMan> the station 2 produces coal too... perhaps... 01:34:48 <CrlMan> in the second train EVER have coal from station 2! 01:35:03 <CrlMan> NEVER coal from station 1. 01:35:30 <Sacro> why do people run old version 01:35:31 <Sacro> s 01:36:01 <CrlMan> Is the last version! JURO!!!! 01:36:13 <Sacro> no, latest stable is 0.5.2 01:36:49 <CrlMan> Jerub, did you perhaps what is happening? 01:37:46 <Belugas> CrlMan, could you try the same setup but with a station that is not within the reach of a coal mine? 01:38:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54b758d9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:40 <CrlMan> I'll try and come back in seconds... but i belive that in this way it will work. 01:47:59 <CrlMan> now it works! 01:49:04 <Belugas> so, i guess it's a matter of getting the system right. 01:49:09 <Belugas> good for you :) 01:52:36 <CrlMan> Let me try again... WHY train 2 receive negative payments? 01:53:38 <CrlMan> train 1 receive all payments, include the path of 2? 01:55:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r9983 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp smallmap_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Use the "enabled" property of the industry spec. 01:57:49 <Belugas> hard to say without your game under the eyes... 02:03:41 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:04:07 <Sacro|Laptop> !openttd commit 02:04:08 <_42_> Commit by belugas :: r9983 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp smallmap_gui.cpp) (2007-05-30 01:55:11 UTC) 02:04:10 <_42_> -Codechange: Use the "enabled" property of the industry spec. 02:06:20 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:08:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r9984 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp industry_map.h table/industry_land.h): -Codechange: Remove an obsolete structure and a now meaningless enum, in favor of the "real thing" 02:10:46 *** CrlMan [~CrlMan@c90674d3.static.spo.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:12:25 <Belugas> enough for now 02:12:28 <Belugas> sleep time 02:24:32 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-56-152.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:24:45 <TheJosh> Hey does anyone use 'shared orders'? 02:27:50 <TheJosh> i didnt know it even existed until just then when I started my 'clone quantity' patch, and relised val2 of CMD_CLONE_VEHICLE is already in use by a flag [ copy orders | shared orders ] 02:28:16 <TheJosh> which prevents me from using that value to send the command a quantity value 02:30:41 <TheJosh> perhaps a 'clone gui' is in order (only if you ctrl-click the clone button, or perhaps all the time) 02:32:55 <TheJosh> meh im off, no one appears to be here 02:32:58 <TheJosh> cya round all 02:33:01 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-56-152.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:37:11 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 02:37:45 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:00:56 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:07:45 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 03:36:03 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-56-152.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:36:08 <TheJosh> hi all 04:08:26 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-56-152.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 04:34:00 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:49:45 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54b82a05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:57:04 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B82BB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:30:44 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:47:01 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 05:59:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7237.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 06:00:59 *** Frostregen__ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-143-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:01:18 *** Frostregen__ is now known as Frostregen_ 06:01:30 <Luukland> Heya, does someone know how to set a tpoic for my dedicated server? 06:06:30 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-166-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:06:38 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 06:12:03 <Luukland> wolfryu? 06:15:11 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 06:16:08 <peter1138> put: say "your message" 06:16:16 <peter1138> in scripts/on_server_connect.scr 06:16:32 <Luukland> hmmm 06:16:47 <Luukland> and where can i find the directory scripts? 06:17:06 <Luukland> or is it in the openTTD.grf? 06:21:00 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-143-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:24:04 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@130.226.173.22] has joined #openttd 06:26:06 <peter1138> ... 06:26:23 <peter1138> in the same folder as the executable 06:26:27 <Luukland> (i have a windows dedicated server) 06:26:42 <Luukland> (and there is no file scripts on server connect.scr) 06:27:52 <peter1138> okay then 06:27:56 <peter1138> in scripts\on_server_connect.scr 06:28:43 <Luukland> no directory called "scripts" 06:29:00 <peter1138> i'm sure you know how to create a directory 06:29:06 <Luukland> ^^ 06:29:27 <Luukland> and than create the file :) 06:31:47 <Luukland> done 06:31:56 <Luukland> (restarting server needed?)_ 06:32:01 <peter1138> no 06:34:43 <Luukland> hmmm, in the server sceen it says now: ERROR: command or variable not found 06:34:54 <Luukland> i have put in the on_server_connect.scr the following: 06:35:08 <Luukland> Say Welcome on the Luukland blabla 06:38:13 <Luukland> and also Say "welcome on the Luukland blabla" does not work either 06:39:15 <peter1138> say. not Say. 06:39:39 <Luukland> ((thx)) 06:40:07 <peter1138> but it's welcome to, not welcome on 06:40:32 <Luukland> hmmm 06:40:52 <Luukland> accoarding to my English teacher it is allowed to have welcome on Luukland server 06:41:03 <Luukland> but specially for you, i will change it :P 06:43:27 <Luukland> thx for your help anyway 06:46:04 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik wacht, en ik wacht, al sinds februari wacht ik. Ik vraag mijn zelf af: hoelang moet ik nog wachten, want er lijkt geen einde aan te komen...] 07:05:05 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-33-171.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:12:42 <peter1138> Maedhros! :D 07:13:00 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 07:13:37 <Maedhros> heya peter1138 07:17:15 *** SeKo [~seppo@dsl-trebrasgw1-fe57fa00-59.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:24:20 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:24:56 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 07:28:08 *** maddy [~maddy@84.4.32.113] has joined #openttd 07:28:47 *** SeKo [~seppo@dsl-trebrasgw1-fe57fa00-59.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:37:16 *** wboekabart is now known as boekabart 07:46:18 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:00:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r9985 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 08:00:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-05-30 09:59:31 08:00:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 fixed by habell (1) 08:00:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 16 fixed, 22 changed by lorenzodv (38) 08:00:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 1 fixed by darkttd (1) 08:00:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 8 fixed by jankmi (8) 08:00:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 30 fixed by mad (30) 08:01:43 *** boekabart [~wboekabar@81.58.27.138] has left #openttd [] 08:01:56 *** boekabart [~wboekabar@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 08:02:20 *** boekabart is now known as wboekabart 08:15:51 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-183-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:21:45 *** _Mist_ [mist@106.84-234-138.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:37:54 *** doc [~doc@S01060018f3a31d91.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 08:38:14 <doc> hello, I'm using the canadian train set and wondering if anyone knows how to change the liveries? 08:39:43 <peter1138> by refitting, usually 08:39:47 <peter1138> if it supports that 08:42:09 <doc> hmmm, doesn't seem to, yet I'm using one tractor type on two trains, one of which is magically a different livery 08:42:18 *** kaan [~klaus@82.192.152.195] has joined #openttd 08:42:30 <kaan> goodmorning all 08:43:35 <wboekabart> morning 08:48:04 <Sionide> !version 08:48:09 <Sionide> oh 08:48:13 <Sionide> 9985, woo 08:49:00 <doc> and is there any advantage on inclines to have >1 engine? 08:50:00 <peter1138> more power! 08:50:24 <doc> sure, but same speed on inclines :( drops all the way to 24km/h 08:50:27 <peter1138> doc: if i remember correctly, the different liveries in the candian set are random 08:50:27 <doc> which... sucks 08:50:37 <doc> peter1138: ok, thanks 08:50:44 <peter1138> so rebuilding may give you something different 08:50:52 <doc> annoying :) 08:50:54 <peter1138> also, enable realistic acceleration in the patch options 08:51:00 <peter1138> then it will not slow down so much 08:51:29 <doc> thanks 08:52:47 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54b82a05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52:57 <peter1138> there are other effects too 08:53:05 <peter1138> slowing in stations for example 08:53:11 <peter1138> and curve handling 08:53:32 <doc> seems to go through those at full speed 08:53:35 <doc> two engines++ 08:53:48 <peter1138> depends on the tightness of the bend 08:54:09 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 08:54:09 <wboekabart> and the longness of the train :) 08:54:15 <peterbrett> length 08:54:22 <peterbrett> not longness 08:54:23 <doc> :) 08:54:24 <peterbrett> :P 08:54:38 <wboekabart> duh, but longness sounds better after tightness 08:54:43 <doc> hah 08:55:00 * peterbrett winces 08:55:02 <doc> tightenth, tenth, hmmm 08:57:27 <hylje> a tram! 09:17:21 *** setrodox [setrodox@83-65-233-129.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:17:35 *** Vikthor [~opera@pc304-19.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 09:18:28 <wboekabart> did anyone ever see this way of doing multiplying? http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/16216/50f17564/index.html 09:20:47 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065103.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:30:47 <blathijs> wboekabart: bah, it's a stupid plugin thing :-) 09:31:00 <Sionide> flash...? 09:31:22 <blathijs> Flash or java, both really have no support for 64bit linux :-S 09:31:41 <wboekabart> really? k that sucks 09:31:51 <wboekabart> so you live without youtube too? 09:32:51 <Rubidium> where would you need youtube for? 09:33:07 <Rubidium> very low quality crap 09:33:32 <Sionide> wow 09:33:36 <Sionide> that's ...cool 09:33:39 <Frostregen> looks cool 09:34:12 <hylje> TIMTOWTDI 09:34:21 <Frostregen> but...quite troublesome if a single digit is > 5 09:34:39 <Sionide> eh? 09:34:42 <Sionide> he shows you how to carry over 09:35:02 <Frostregen> yes...but there are quite some dots to count ;) 09:35:27 <Sionide> easier than long multiplication the standard way of doing it 09:36:04 <Frostregen> hmm, it is the long way 09:36:20 <hylje> Frostregen: you dont have to count them, you can do simple multiplication because the crossings come in rectangles 09:36:21 *** Vikthor [~opera@pc304-19.feld.cvut.cz] has left #openttd [] 09:36:31 <Frostregen> no, thats cheating ;) 09:36:52 <wboekabart> hylje: if you're mentally able to do that, you don't need this method i think 09:37:07 <hylje> that method allows for huge calculation 09:37:12 <hylje> by breaking it down 09:37:33 <Frostregen> isn't the normal way just the same? 09:37:33 <hylje> not all things scale up forever :p 09:38:03 <Frostregen> ah, no 09:38:08 <Frostregen> this breaks it up even more 09:39:45 <Frostregen> *been to long since doing a multiplication on paper* 09:40:14 * wboekabart even has trouble just writing with pen/paper these days 09:40:15 <Sionide> heh, just tried 124x423 and got it right, pretty neat 09:40:37 <wboekabart> Sionide: now try 90 * 2 that way 09:41:09 <hylje> zomg 09:41:13 <Jerub> I was trained by kumon to multiply, I can't see 90 * 2 without saying 180 09:41:16 <hylje> my trackpad has sidescrolling! 09:41:57 <wboekabart> Jerub: how about 3.14 what does that do to you? 09:42:17 <Jerub> wboekabart: that makes me think that someone is being lazy. 09:42:27 <Jerub> or, they're an astrophysicist. 09:42:48 <wboekabart> 3.141592653589793 09:42:52 <Jerub> (they got to the moon using only 3 significant figures on all their calculations, including as the value for pi) 09:43:11 <wboekabart> Jerub: Easy: the moon is huge 09:43:13 <hylje> they didnt have too much processing power or memory either 09:44:12 <Sionide> heh in the comments of that vid "986x789 = ?" 09:44:57 <wboekabart> " the continued extension of pi provides a harmless exercise of computer power which would otherwise be misused playing Quake or surfing pointless web sites. " 09:45:34 <peter1138> :/ 09:45:41 <peter1138> who plays quake these days? 09:46:02 <Taikaponi> I do 09:46:16 <Taikaponi> Well, q2 09:46:23 <Frostregen> aq2^^ 09:46:28 <Taikaponi> That it is 09:46:54 <Taikaponi> Still pretty many servers in finland, around 20 I'd say 09:47:41 *** leif [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 09:47:43 *** leif is now known as Zuu 09:48:43 <Zuu> Can income be negative or have I found a bug if there are negative train income at a station? (it is a negative, red, value that is raised from the train) 09:49:13 <wboekabart> Zuu: search forum 09:49:18 <Maedhros> if you're using transfers it can be negative 09:49:40 <Zuu> Maedhros: Yes I use transfers. 09:50:04 <Zuu> r9939 09:54:14 <Zuu> for referens the answer is in: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=30993 09:54:21 <Zuu> reference* 10:18:30 <elmex> Zuu: i've had that too :) 11:23:38 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:45:45 *** kaan [~klaus@82.192.152.195] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:46:39 *** [BDS]-Klaus [~Klaus@p54AB2B26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:58:12 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:07 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:08:11 *** Haclet [~haclet@77-97-206-88.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:09:32 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 12:10:48 * Sionide prods orudge 12:10:51 <Sionide> where the hell is he -_- 12:12:28 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:37 *** [BDS]-Klaus [~Klaus@p54AB2B26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: cya] 12:29:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CBB3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:37:11 *** Vikthor [opera@pc304-28.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 12:37:33 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:34 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:45:28 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CBB3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:45:45 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:48:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CBB3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:54:44 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74E8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:04 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74E8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:06 *** Tobin_ [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:59:06 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:57 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 13:10:22 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:11:33 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5D24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:26 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 13:16:05 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9986 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r9934): flooding towns could not remove tram tracks (boekabart). 13:18:17 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:18:59 <wboekabart> flooding towns?? ;) 13:19:09 *** Tobin_ [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:49 <Rubidium> yes, flooding towns :) 13:21:05 <Rubidium> didn't you know water can be the fastest expanding town in OTTD :) 13:23:06 <hylje> :o 13:26:29 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:38 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:28:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9987 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#818]: a train under a bridge could collide with a train on the bridge. 13:28:18 <Touqen> hahahah 13:28:40 <Touqen> Entertaining 13:28:44 <hylje> whaaaaaat 13:29:05 * geoffk would like to see that :) 13:29:06 <Rubidium> only under some very special circumstances 13:33:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9988 /trunk/src/ (rail.cpp rail_cmd.cpp rail_map.h): -Codechange: remove the last direct map accesses, except the ones needed for the savegame saving/loading mechanisms. 13:34:29 <Belugas> Yeah!! The tfc_newmap team has finally finished its goal! :D 13:34:50 <Belugas> congrats to Rubidium for this last effort 13:34:58 <ThePizzaKing> wooo to everyone 13:35:39 <hylje> yay 13:35:57 <Belugas> namely : Belugas, egladil, glx and Rubidium (in alpha order) :) 13:36:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> now you can replace the map array :) 13:36:52 <Belugas> well... more easily than before, for sure... 13:37:09 <Belugas> but good things takes time :P 13:37:24 <Rubidium> then newindustries must be very good too :D 13:37:29 <Belugas> lol 13:37:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> wasn't there something about stacked tiles? 13:37:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> that was one of the major reasons for the cpp port 13:38:57 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:47:18 <wboekabart> I updated my 'be able to change town name language in scenario editor' patch, with a GUI button to 're-randomize' a town name. 13:47:18 <wboekabart> http://boekabart.googlepages.com/TownNameLanguage_GUI_v3_r9988.diff 13:47:28 <wboekabart> actually I redid it 13:49:33 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c210-49-162-211.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:00 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:53:38 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:55:04 *** redmonkey [~redmonkey@p54a076f8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:14 <redmonkey> hi 13:55:18 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 13:57:39 <Luukland> heya 13:58:27 <redmonkey> i've just downloaded a savegame which i'm not able to play in openttd. i'm able to load it and look around but as far as i unpause it, openttd crashes and it says "Segmentation fault (core dumped)". 13:59:00 <redmonkey> i use openttd 5.2 (stable) under linux (self-compiled) 13:59:09 <redmonkey> uhmm 13:59:12 <glx> where did you get this savegame? 13:59:16 <redmonkey> 0.5.2 of course 13:59:49 <Luukland> wat is it for savegame redmonkey? 13:59:54 <Luukland> an old one? 13:59:55 <redmonkey> i downloaded it of a website 13:59:59 <Luukland> ah :P 14:00:09 <Luukland> than it is possible OTTD may crash 14:00:25 <Luukland> because some old savegames, crash with OTTD 14:01:04 <redmonkey> i see 14:01:07 <Rubidium> redmonkey: what kind of savegame; an old OTTD savegame or an old TTD savegame or a TTDP savegame? 14:01:14 <wboekabart> redmonkey: URL 14:01:20 <glx> Luukland: old ottd savegame are loadable by newer version without any problem 14:01:38 <Luukland> sorry glx 14:01:45 <Luukland> of course i mean ttd savegame 14:01:51 <Luukland> not ottd savegame 14:01:57 <redmonkey> i don't remember the url, but i could send you the savegame if you want 14:02:39 <redmonkey> wait a sec 14:04:17 *** geoffk [~geoffk@host86-130-151-243.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> post it to bugs.oppenttd.org 14:06:25 <Luukland> and glx, if someone joins on my server, what variable should i place in the scriptfile to get: Welcom <name of player> 14:06:29 <Luukland> *Welcome 14:06:39 <glx> dunno 14:06:43 <Luukland> :P ok 14:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is most likely not possible 14:07:12 <wboekabart> peter1138: you asked me a while ago do also do some GUI work on the town name language patch: I did, is this what you meant: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=591443#591443 14:07:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> look for brianettas autopilot for any advanced stuff 14:07:27 <Luukland> oki 14:07:47 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik wacht, en ik wacht, al sinds februari wacht ik. Ik vraag mijn zelf af: hoelang moet ik nog wachten, want er lijkt geen einde aan te komen...] 14:15:38 <redmonkey> i found the website where i downloaded the savegame. it's a swiss site so it's in german. but you can get the savegame here http://ttdlxhq.raysworld.ch/daten/sv3.zip 14:17:56 *** clb [clb@shadow.fi] has joined #openttd 14:19:33 <wboekabart> ...old TTD savegame i think 14:20:29 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:20:30 <wboekabart> it crashes ;) 14:21:25 <peter1138> wboekabart: i'll let you know when my pc starts responding... 14:21:40 * wboekabart nudges peter1138's PC 14:22:03 <peter1138> i booted into windows 14:22:07 <peter1138> it went downhill from there 14:22:09 <wboekabart> :) 14:22:29 <wboekabart> that's just inexperience; I have the same every time I start ubuntu 14:22:39 <peter1138> hmm 14:22:46 <clb> I see 0.5.2 was just released. Is the latest release based on the same code that the nightly builds are? or do the nightly builds contain some "experimental" stuff? 14:22:56 <wboekabart> the latter 14:23:08 <peter1138> the latest release is based on the same code as the previous release 14:23:15 <glx> 0.5.2 is based on 0.5 branch 14:23:22 <glx> NB are based on trunk 14:24:17 <clb> ok thanks.. is there some way to get a big picture on the different branches there are? 14:24:57 <clb> the online repository browse seems to be down 14:25:02 <wboekabart> clb: At the moment, only NoAI and trunk, plus of course 0.5.2, are active, I think. 14:25:21 <wboekabart> cpp_gui hasn't seen activity in a long time, 32bpp is suspended 14:25:55 <clb> ok thanks 14:26:25 *** geoffk [~geoffk@host86-130-151-243.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:26:48 *** Vikthor [opera@pc304-28.feld.cvut.cz] has left #openttd [] 14:27:27 *** Vikthor [opera@pc304-28.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 14:28:20 * wboekabart is going home 14:31:07 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:39 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 14:31:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 14:36:38 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:38:58 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 14:45:17 *** Vikthor [opera@pc304-28.feld.cvut.cz] has left #openttd [] 14:48:36 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:05 *** _Mist_ [mist@106.84-234-138.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:07 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:51:08 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:20 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:59:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1ce08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:46 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:14 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:39 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:48 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 15:28:49 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-183-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 15:33:03 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:33:21 <Luukland> !current nightly 15:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> !go read the funky website yourself 15:35:34 <Sacro|Laptop> !openttd moo 15:35:43 <Sacro|Laptop> @openttd moo 15:35:49 <Sacro|Laptop> was sure one of them did 15:35:58 <Luukland> @openTTD 15:36:02 <Luukland> grmbl 15:37:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> @openttd bark 15:37:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> !openttd bark 15:37:49 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause2: bark bark bark woef woef grrrrr 15:38:03 <Luukland> :P 15:38:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> @openttd help 15:39:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have a feeling DorpsGek does not like me :p 15:39:34 <Luukland> hmmm 15:39:36 <Luukland> @help 15:39:36 <DorpsGek> Luukland: help [<plugin>] [<command>] 15:40:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's not the first time i make that impression on bots :p 15:41:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> @help openttd 15:41:21 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: Error: There is no command "openttd". 15:41:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> @help commit 15:41:49 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 15:42:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> see! 15:43:41 <Luukland> :P 15:43:43 <Luukland> whahaha XD 15:44:09 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-191-194.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:47 <Luukland> hmmm, Eddi|zuHause2 do you know how to make a form for on a website, wich someone can use to send me an email? 15:45:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> why would i know such stuff? 15:45:20 <Luukland> :p no idea 15:45:31 * Sacro|Laptop knows 15:48:50 <Luukland> Sacro could you please help me than? 15:53:32 <Luukland> Sacro|Laptop? 15:53:40 <Sacro|Laptop> errrr... 15:53:41 <Sacro|Laptop> google it 15:53:52 <Luukland> >_< 15:54:33 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:05 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl4-208-234.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 15:58:41 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:10:11 <Luukland> Great :P 16:10:20 <Luukland> now the tournement can commence :P 16:13:34 <Sacro|Laptop> !openttd commit 16:13:36 <_42_> Commit by rubidium :: r9988 /trunk/src/ (rail.cpp rail_cmd.cpp rail_map.h) (2007-05-30 13:33:19 UTC) 16:13:38 <_42_> -Codechange: remove the last direct map accesses, except the ones needed for the savegame saving/loading mechanisms. 16:13:52 <Sacro|Laptop> mmm... 16:14:01 <Sacro|Laptop> i wonder how close the new map format is... 16:14:06 <peter1138> the new what? 16:14:59 <Sacro|Laptop> the new mapping system, that will give us more things per tile 16:15:07 <Sacro|Laptop> new array 16:15:33 <peter1138> lol 16:15:54 <Sacro|Laptop> thats no answer 16:16:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think that was a really long term plan :p 16:16:25 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:16:26 <Sacro|Laptop> Eddi|zuHause2: weeks/months/years/decades ? 16:16:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 16:17:46 <Sacro|Laptop> ah... 16:17:47 <Sacro|Laptop> right... 16:18:26 <peter1138> we've added m6 and m7 since... 16:21:50 <Thomas[NL]> to bad newwater 0.5 looks so bad without the water-corner-tiles hint hint 16:25:23 <Belugas> since newhouses :D 16:26:10 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:22 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:39:29 <Luukland> Signing in for OTTD tournement has started!! 16:39:54 <Touqen> There's a tournament? 16:40:09 <Luukland> well yes :) 16:40:17 <Touqen> details! 16:40:31 <Luukland> hmm, then i have to promote my site 16:40:44 <Luukland> This site will be prepeared to run a great OTTD tournement, for everyone. There will be rules, special servers and they will be close monotorized. There will be played according to this system: 16:41:07 <Luukland> - First round -- 8 players - no spectators -- 16:41:07 <Luukland> - Special map, for tournament (fair maps) 16:41:07 <Luukland> - Start in the year 1975 16:41:07 <Luukland> - Game Ends at 1 jan 1980 (only 5 years!!) 16:41:07 <Luukland> - 8 players a game 16:41:10 <Luukland> etc. 16:41:27 <Touqen> Ah, I see. 16:41:29 <Luukland> :P that's how it works :P 16:41:52 <Kjetil> only 5 years.. sounds stressing 16:42:04 <Luukland> it is 16:42:11 <Luukland> but that is the first round 16:42:17 <Luukland> to "kill" the noobs 16:42:59 <Kjetil> Is it possible to repay the loan in 5 years ? 16:43:11 <Luukland> no idea 16:43:34 <Kjetil> then you could just start.. repay the initial loan and wait 5 years 16:43:43 <Luukland> but then you are not 1st 16:44:00 <Luukland> and i am sure someone can repay the loan :P 16:44:18 <hylje> loan should be repaid only when there is nothing to do with the money 16:44:21 <Touqen> You could do that but the administrative fees for the 5 years would push you into the red. 16:44:29 <Luukland> :) 16:44:36 <Luukland> see a lot of thinking right now :P 16:44:44 <hylje> loan money is better spent getting more profit 16:44:46 <Luukland> all psycological XD 16:44:48 <Touqen> Indeed. 16:45:02 <Rubidium> 19:52 -!- reporter [~reporter@lucerna.student.utwente.nl] has joined #bonsai2008 16:45:06 <Rubidium> oops ;) 16:45:11 <hylje> interesting 16:45:14 <Kjetil> loaned money eats your income 16:45:25 <Touqen> That's what it was, loan interest! 16:45:55 <hylje> Kjetil: loaned money allows for more profit 16:46:02 <Touqen> Actually, what falls under the "Other" category on the balance sheet? 16:46:11 <Luukland> well, there is quite some talant here :) 16:46:22 <Kjetil> hylje: well when you have reached max loan your stuck 16:46:35 <hylje> but you also have more profit 16:46:57 <Luukland> Touqen, month fee, Giving money, shares, Townupgraiding etc. 16:46:57 <Kjetil> not if the extra interest eats the additional income 16:47:05 <Touqen> Luukland: k 16:47:39 <Touqen> Kjetil: If you used the money wisely the income should exceed the interest payments. 16:47:42 <Kjetil> Luukland: when will the tournament be held ? 16:47:58 <Luukland> probably next week 16:48:07 <Luukland> only if the signing in goes well :) 16:48:15 <Luukland> (and no other problems occure) 16:48:43 <Kjetil> as in the begining of next week or the end ? 16:48:49 <Luukland> no idea :P 16:48:58 <Luukland> probably in the weekend 16:49:03 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:28 <Luukland> when you sign in, you have to say when you are avainable, so it can be changed :P 16:49:34 <Kjetil> ah 16:50:06 <Kjetil> what's the url ? 16:50:58 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:53:09 <Kjetil> hm.. 16:53:10 <Kjetil> - Start in the year 1980 16:53:11 <Kjetil> - Game Ends at 1 jan 1990 (106 years!!) 16:53:13 <Kjetil> 106 ? :P 16:53:41 * peterbrett loses the game :( 16:53:54 <Luukland> :P 16:54:05 <Luukland> well i hope you can count :p 16:55:30 <Luukland> if you invite your friend to Kjetil :) 16:56:55 <Luukland> and they invite other friends, then it will be a great tournement :) 16:57:19 <Kjetil> ;) 16:57:44 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:00 <Luukland> i hope :P 16:59:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Kjetil> Is it possible to repay the loan in 5 years ? <- i repaid my loan in the demo version once 16:59:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> i.e. in 2 years 16:59:44 <Kjetil> ok 16:59:54 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:59:54 <Luukland> see :) 17:00:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> damn that was a long time ago :p 17:01:40 * Touqen goes and gets Eddi|zuHause2 his cane 17:01:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:01:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> what's a cane? 17:02:20 <Touqen> walking stick basically 17:06:21 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08:14 *** Luukland is now known as Luukland|OTTDT 17:08:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:10:04 *** maddy [~maddy@84.4.32.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:05 <Luukland|OTTDT> heya, can someone tell me how to get: at the end of a server game ( a screen with statistics?) 17:21:12 *** Luukland|OTTDT is now known as Luukland[NL] 17:25:54 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 17:27:07 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498cd25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:30 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:12 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:32:19 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:32:26 <Zuu> Luukland[NL]: Where can I find information about your tournament server? Do you have a website or a thread? (did some minor searching on the forums) 17:33:04 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:33:05 <Luukland[NL]> I am not allowed to promote anything, but a notice is also ok :P 17:33:34 <Zuu> Eh, okay. 17:34:02 <Luukland[NL]> and there are 3 servers of mine now online 17:34:16 <Luukland[NL]> so you can practice already ^^ 17:34:18 *** Luukland[NL] [~Luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik wacht, en ik wacht, al sinds februari wacht ik. Ik vraag mijn zelf af: hoelang moet ik nog wachten, want er lijkt geen einde aan te komen...] 17:34:29 <Zuu> Okay. I have to search the server list in OpenTTD :D 17:36:28 <Zuu> 256x128 - thats a huge micro world :) 17:37:45 *** clb [clb@shadow.fi] has left #openttd [] 17:38:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a 64x64 spot for each player 17:39:40 <Zuu> Not so huge then, played a 64x128 with 3-5 players for 3-4 hours once. Nice :) 17:46:46 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:54:10 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:31 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:00 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 17:57:36 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:01:18 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:29 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:14:02 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-206-86.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:16:12 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-191-194.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:18 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:14 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:27 *** kaan [~Klaus@82.192.152.195] has joined #openttd 18:18:43 <kaan> goodevening 18:22:50 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-121-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9989 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#817]: trams/road vehicles did go to the closest road stop regardless whether they could actually "drive" on there. 18:25:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9990 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp fios.cpp unix.cpp): -Fix: MorphOS and AmigaOS do not like "//" in filenames as that means the same as "/../" in means in Unix. 18:29:20 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 18:29:33 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498cd25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:37:11 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:40:30 <Sacro|Laptop> grr... i wanna peruse recent changes 18:40:35 <Sacro|Laptop> someone fix trac >< 18:42:19 <Rubidium> svn log? 18:42:29 <Sacro|Laptop> fair opint 18:42:37 <Sacro|Laptop> err.. 18:42:42 <Sacro|Laptop> how far back is it going 18:43:01 <Sacro|Laptop> i'm back to 7200 18:43:16 <Rubidium> 1 18:43:22 <Sacro|Laptop> i guessed so 18:43:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> --limit 18:43:42 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0D690.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> or -r a:b 18:44:18 <Sacro|Laptop> mmm, 9984 is quite cryptic 18:45:04 <Belugas> Sacro|Laptop, cleaning stuff that is no longuer required ;) 18:45:19 <Sacro|Laptop> Belugas: yes... but why is it no longer required 18:45:24 <Sacro|Laptop> i belive something is about to appear... 18:45:31 <Belugas> and making enums baring names that are more reflective to the reality 18:46:28 <Belugas> the struct is not used since i've removed the industry tile solver in favor of querying the industry type itself. 18:46:51 <Belugas> and whe i made the change, i forgot to remove the struct. 18:46:54 <Belugas> as simple as that 18:47:05 <Belugas> nothing cryptic, nothing magic, nothing "NEW" 18:47:07 <Belugas> ;) 18:47:16 <Sacro|Laptop> DAMN IT YOU ENDED WITH A WINK 18:47:29 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57a0ea03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:20 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:50:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:50:36 <Sacro|Laptop> oh foo, tis him 18:51:11 * Bjarni slaps Sacro|Laptop 18:51:42 * Sacro|Laptop slaps Bjarni 18:51:46 <Bjarni> either you did something stupid since last time or you will do something stupid in a moment 18:51:50 <Bjarni> hey 18:52:00 <Bjarni> I didn't do anything stupid 18:52:01 * hylje pokes Bjarni 18:52:09 <Bjarni> ... 18:53:22 *** Hendikins is now known as Hendikins|BNEABXMEL 18:53:51 <Bjarni> BNEABXMEL? 18:53:53 * Kjetil hails the leader of Bjarni 18:53:59 <Kjetil> Bjarnia* 18:54:06 <hylje> bjarnitta 18:54:17 * Bjarni sighs 18:54:26 <hylje> what? :) 18:54:37 *** boekabart [~bdb@e215192.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:54:38 <Sacro|Laptop> netherlandia 18:56:09 * Bjarni sets Sacro|Laptop to ignore 18:57:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> Fischers Fritze fischt frische Fische. 18:57:13 * Sacro|Laptop sets Bjarni to off 18:57:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> (try saying that out loud :p) 18:57:39 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: that's not funny 18:57:50 <Bjarni> we need people to enable their mics to make it funny :D 18:58:00 <staniel> she sells sea shells by the sea shore? 18:58:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> something like that, yes :) 18:58:36 <boekabart> how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck would chuck wood? 18:58:46 *** KritiK_ [Maxim@ppp83-237-100-19.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:58:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> Blaukraut bleibt Blaukraut und Brautkleid bleibt Brautkleid. 18:58:50 <Bjarni> staniel: not tricky... at least if you know how to speak English 18:59:00 <Sacro|Laptop> how much oil could a gumboil boil if a gumboil could boil oil 18:59:09 <boekabart> same with Eddi|zuHause2's tricks if you know German 18:59:10 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 18:59:12 <staniel> Bjarni: I can hardly say it once, let alone 3 times fast, and im canadian 18:59:19 <staniel> so my first language was english 18:59:19 <boekabart> Sacro|Laptop: That one is actually harder! 18:59:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> boekabart: no, it's really difficult even for germans 18:59:33 <Sacro|Laptop> boekabart: i know :p 19:00:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> especially the second one... 19:00:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> i can never get it right :p 19:01:38 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-206-86.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:47 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 19:02:48 <Belugas> staniel, i support you, as i am one too :D 19:03:07 <staniel> Belugas: canadian? 19:03:17 <Belugas> Ho Canada, terre de nos ayeux, crotte de boeufs.. 19:03:18 <Belugas> yup 19:03:25 <glx> Belugas: liar, your first language is french :) 19:03:39 <staniel> and I have no idea what you jsut said, I've forgotten french 19:04:21 <Belugas> no matter, it's work's steam getting in the air ;) 19:04:29 <Belugas> as in... getting crazy! 19:04:48 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:57 <staniel> its only wednesday, atleast wait till thursday to go crazy 19:05:25 <Belugas> every day is like a cray farm in here... 19:05:48 <Maedhros> growing supercomputers, eh? ;) 19:06:09 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:06:42 *** lolman_ [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:06:42 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:59 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:07:13 <Belugas> glx, what does canada have to do with language? We have both english and french as official ones 19:07:39 <glx> but you're in Quebec ;) 19:08:00 <Belugas> yeah.. but it's not a country yet... 19:08:06 <Sacro|Laptop> Commit by God :: r10000 /trunk/src/ (? files in ? dirs): 19:08:06 <Sacro|Laptop> -Implemented every possible feature, including the new map array. 19:08:07 <Sacro|Laptop> :o 19:08:11 <Bjarni> so Canada discarded the native languages and decided to steal two European ones as official ones 19:08:14 <Belugas> i hope it wont, but that's another thing... 19:08:22 <Bjarni> tells a lot about Canadian mentality 19:08:27 <staniel> no, its a country within a country 19:08:44 <Belugas> can say that indeed :) 19:08:53 <staniel> which is just a mind trick 19:09:17 <Belugas> yeah.. to please politicians and give them a garden to play in 19:09:29 <Belugas> anyway... 19:09:37 <Bjarni> Sacro|Laptop: that would be revision ? 19:09:38 * Belugas goes back in the joys of work@work 19:09:54 <Belugas> Maedhros, good one :D 19:10:11 <staniel> ahh, work 19:10:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro|Laptop: it'd be funnier if you did that after r9999, and renamed to CIA-x before... 19:10:27 <Bjarni> yeah 19:10:32 <Bjarni> CIA-? 19:10:33 <staniel> every 2 weeks my 'employer' asks me if I was ready, willing and able to work 19:10:39 <staniel> I say yes and I get money :) 19:11:02 <Bjarni> <staniel> every 2 weeks my 'employer' asks me if I was ready, willing and able... 19:11:08 <Bjarni> what kind of work do you do??? 19:12:13 <staniel> I was a programmer, but I was laid off 19:12:29 <staniel> so now the government pays me 2/3rds my salary for hte next 30 weeks or so 19:12:32 <staniel> or till I find a new job 19:12:57 <Sacro|Laptop> come on... lets have another commit 19:13:08 * Bjarni commits Sacro|Laptop 19:13:12 <Ailure> *yawns* 19:13:14 <glx> lol 19:13:22 <Bjarni> now you can visit your girlfriend 19:13:22 <Ailure> Don't bug him too much 19:13:25 <Ailure> or he creates a variable 19:13:26 <Ailure> commits 19:13:29 <Ailure> change name of variable 19:13:30 <Ailure> commit 19:13:30 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: ooh, harsh 19:13:34 <Ailure> and do that until he hit 10k 19:13:34 <Bjarni> :p 19:13:44 <Sacro|Laptop> they let her go 19:13:58 <staniel> Bjarni: lol, if she didn't work it be great 19:14:02 * Bjarni notes not to visit GB until they catch her again 19:14:14 <Sacro|Laptop> !openttd revision 10000 19:14:16 * Sacro|Laptop hopes 19:14:52 <Bjarni> !openttd commit 10000 19:14:56 <Bjarni> !openttd commit 19:14:58 <_42_> Commit by rubidium :: r9990 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp fios.cpp unix.cpp) (2007-05-30 18:24:54 UTC) 19:15:00 <_42_> -Fix: MorphOS and AmigaOS do not like "//" in filenames as that means the same as "/../" in means in Unix. 19:15:07 <Bjarni> !openttd commit 1 19:15:09 <_42_> Commit by truelight :: r1 /trunk/ (200 files in 10 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC) 19:15:11 <_42_> Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 19:15:17 <peter1138> *yawn* 19:15:24 <_Mist_> that's a while ago 19:16:33 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:09 <Kjetil> the r1 date is from the svn-server crash ? 19:17:19 <Bjarni> no 19:17:29 <Bjarni> it's from when the new server started 19:17:37 <Bjarni> we was without SVN for a while 19:17:48 <Bjarni> like a month or two 19:17:53 <Ailure> ouch 19:17:55 <Kjetil> :O 19:17:59 <Ailure> that must been painful 19:18:03 <Ailure> if it was done manually I mean 19:18:12 <Bjarni> we kept hoping that the old one was repairable 19:18:22 <Bjarni> but eventually we gave up and started all over 19:18:46 <Ailure> heh 19:18:54 <Ailure> I should put up a SVN server of my own over the summer 19:19:02 <hylje> i has a svn server 19:19:03 <Ailure> even if I probably will be the only one using it D: 19:19:25 <Ailure> being able to go back a few revisions is nice 19:19:38 <Bjarni> luckily I had a script at that time that downloaded the newest revision every day (and uploaded a nightly build) and it stored the complete svn log 19:19:44 <Ailure> or even just the most commited revision 19:19:53 <Ailure> otherwise I have to temponarily comment out code while I test alternatives 19:19:55 <Bjarni> we made the changelog based on my script log output 19:19:58 <Ailure> and that get's ugly sometimes D: 19:20:42 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: i wanna see the original log 19:20:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82A05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:20:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:21:03 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:21:28 <peterbrett> Bjarni: you should use git, then everybody has the full history 19:21:31 <peterbrett> </fanboy> 19:23:23 <Ailure> git? 19:23:24 <Ailure> D: 19:23:42 <peterbrett> Ailure: http://git.openttd.org 19:23:54 <hylje> or mercurial 19:24:09 <peterbrett> hylje: Nah, mercurial's on-disk format suxor 19:24:14 <glx> git and windows == not working 19:24:21 <Ailure> description Maedhros' OpenTTD sandpit. 19:24:21 <Ailure> owner 19:24:21 <Ailure> last change Thu, 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 19:24:25 <peterbrett> http://keithp.com/blog/Repository_Formats_Matter.html 19:24:31 <Ailure> wow good timing 19:24:54 <peterbrett> glx: True. In fact, gitweb doesn't even work properly in IE. As if I care. *shrug* 19:24:56 <Ailure> Maedhros somehow manage to hit Unix zero time when he chnaged something 19:25:28 <Touqen> No. That's a bug. 19:25:44 <Touqen> Unix timestamp overflow doesn't happen till sometime in 2032 19:26:16 <Maedhros> it's probably because there's no master in that repo, only a branch 19:26:35 <Ailure> I wasn't serious :p 19:26:39 <Touqen> Lies! 19:26:42 <Ailure> I know very well about that date heh 19:26:49 <Ailure> Some calls it the real 2k 19:26:53 <Ailure> eh real 2k bug 19:26:56 <Touqen> Dubious. 19:27:13 <Touqen> All machines will be 64 bit or more by 2032. 19:27:22 <Ailure> well true 19:27:22 <Kjetil> pfft.. everyone will be running windows in 2032 *hides* 19:27:28 <Ailure> most of our computers today will be outdated 19:27:30 <Sacro|Laptop> 2038 19:27:34 <Touqen> Whatever. 19:27:40 <Bjarni> most of our computers? 19:27:44 <Sacro|Laptop> 2048 on windows 19:27:44 <Bjarni> don't you mean all of them? 19:27:45 <Ailure> Infact I am on a 64 bit system 19:27:49 <Ailure> but it's running in 32bit mode 19:27:55 <Sacro|Laptop> yeah, same here 19:27:57 <Touqen> same here 19:27:58 <Ailure> due to the quirkyness of some 64 bit OS's 19:28:15 <Touqen> Too much software hasn't been converted to 64 bit yer 19:28:26 <Touqen> yet* plus I don't want to pay for another version of windows 19:28:35 <peterbrett> "Subversion appears to me to have the worst repository structure of all; worse even than CVS." Heh. 19:28:37 <Sacro|Laptop> heh... i've never paid for windows 19:28:57 <Touqen> peterbrett: How's that? It's svn's almost the same as CVS? 19:29:07 <Bjarni> no it's not 19:29:10 <Bjarni> it's way better 19:29:13 * Kjetil doesn't quite see the point in using 64bits.. It looks nice on paper. But when do you accually need 64bit numbers ? 19:29:31 <peterbrett> Bjarni: I'm quoting from KP's article on why X.org chose git. 19:29:34 <Bjarni> 32 bit CPUs can handle 64 bit ints 19:29:40 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:29:58 <Bjarni> the idea of using 64 bit is that it can access more than 4 Gb RAM 19:30:06 <Touqen> It's easier to get data off of devices bigger than 4GB 19:30:17 <Maedhros> Kjetil: money in openttd, for one... 19:30:24 <Touqen> It's possible in 32 bits but it would make it so slow as it not make it worthwhile. 19:30:27 <Kjetil> well.. you can have a 64bit adresses on a 32bit cpu 19:30:40 <Luukland> can someone take a quick look for me, I would like to know if there are 3 Luukland servers online 19:31:07 <Luukland> or only 1 19:31:12 <Bjarni> why would you start 3 servers? 19:31:30 <Touqen> Plus you can make IEEE floating point numbers _REALLY_ fast since they'd only have to exist in one register. 19:32:16 <Touqen> And probably a number of other things that I can't concieve of because I don't work at the chip level. 19:32:27 <Luukland> Bjarni testing for the OTTD tournament 19:33:46 <Luukland> i need to know if all my servers work :p 19:34:27 <Touqen> use the openttd client and see if they are on the server list 19:34:34 <Touqen> What do you need us to do that for? 19:34:50 <Luukland> because i want to know if they are avaiable to you ;P 19:35:01 <Luukland> that's all 19:35:03 <Touqen> ... 19:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Touqen> Plus you can make IEEE floating point numbers _REALLY_ fast since they'd only have to exist in one register. <- that argument does not hold, because the intel FPU does all calculations in 80 bit 19:39:43 * Touqen shrugs 19:39:49 <Touqen> Like I said, I don't work on the chip level. 19:39:56 <Bjarni> Luukland: anyway, I see 3 Luukland servers 19:45:41 <Luukland> great :) 19:45:50 <Luukland> thank you.... 19:46:23 *** redmonkey [~redmonkey@p54a076f8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:46:30 <Luukland> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=32266 ^^ 19:48:23 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:06 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik wacht, en ik wacht, al sinds februari wacht ik. Ik vraag mijn zelf af: hoelang moet ik nog wachten, want er lijkt geen einde aan te komen...] 19:50:14 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:51:15 <boekabart> peter1138: did you get a chance to take a look at the town name language update? 19:57:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host58-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:57:13 <Wolf01> hello 19:58:31 <Bjarni> hi Wolf01 19:58:52 <Wolf01> hi Bjarni 20:03:15 <Touqen> I'm on the road to ruin! 20:03:24 <Bjarni> you too? 20:03:40 * Touqen debates going home. 20:03:49 <Touqen> I came in early. So I should be able to go home early. 20:03:55 <Touqen> Plus there isn't all that much for me to do. 20:06:22 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-33-171.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:06:38 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:14:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9991 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix: one could build road when trams were driving on the tile and vice versa. 20:15:00 <Sacro|Laptop> :o 20:15:02 <Sacro|Laptop> 9 to go 20:16:00 <Wolf01> what is vice versa? one could build driving trams when the road is not there? 20:16:12 <Bjarni> :p 20:16:31 <Bjarni> one could build tram tracks when a bus/lorry was on the tile 20:16:36 <Bjarni> I think 20:16:56 <kaan> isnt that more like a feature? 20:16:57 <Wolf01> oooh this make sense :D 20:18:20 <Rubidium> when is somebody going to update the fracking wiki pages they so desperately wanted 20:19:07 <Rubidium> +? 20:19:18 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:19:19 <Sacro|Laptop> Rubidium: put that back 20:19:34 <Sacro|Laptop> and whilst your there, allow upgrading to elrails whilst the track is occupied 20:19:56 <Bjarni> trams always has catenary 20:21:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r9992 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp openttd.cpp smallmap_gui.cpp): 20:21:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Remove some hardcoded references to Industry IDs. 20:21:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: A few more to go 20:22:04 <michi_cc> Rubidium: d412b77fb8d04cbf9515f73be7916d25 http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/openttd-0.5.2-win64.zip 20:22:36 <Rubidium> michi_cc: can you upload that to ftp://upload.sf.net/incoming ? 20:23:13 <michi_cc> do I need any special permissions for that? 20:23:17 <Rubidium> nope 20:23:44 <Rubidium> please notify me when it's uploaded 20:25:25 *** wboekabart [~wboekabar@81.58.27.138] has left #openttd [] 20:25:27 *** wboekabart [~wboekabar@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 20:25:34 <michi_cc> Rubidium: should be done 20:27:04 <Rubidium> ok, it's on sf 20:28:13 *** boekabart [~bdb@e215192.upc-e.chello.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:32:32 <Thomas[NL]> I get an error compiling r9992 20:32:49 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 20:33:13 <Rubidium> ohoh 20:33:30 <Thomas[NL]> /home/thomas/openttd/src/industry_cmd.cpp: In function 'int32 CmdBuildIndustry(TileIndex, uint32, uint32, uint32)': 20:33:30 <Thomas[NL]> /home/thomas/openttd/src/industry_cmd.cpp:1484: error: 'ind_spc' was not declared in this scope 20:33:30 <Thomas[NL]> /home/thomas/openttd/src/industry_cmd.cpp:1484: error: expected `)' before '{' token 20:33:51 <Thomas[NL]> on ubuntu linux 20:34:04 <Wolf01> r9993 soon 20:34:21 <Rubidium> nah, that's take a while 20:34:28 <Rubidium> *that'll 20:34:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9993 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r9992): smallish typos resulting in compile time errors. 20:34:39 <Bjarni> svn up 20:34:42 <Bjarni> oops 20:35:17 <Bjarni> oh well... updating to read revision is not really a big secret 20:35:26 <Bjarni> it's not like it was a password or anything 20:35:27 *** lolman_ [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:55 <Wolf01> i think you all should economize revisions, i want OTTD 1.0 released when you'll reach r10k :D 20:36:16 <Bjarni> fat chance :p 20:36:30 <Bjarni> it could be rev 100k though 20:36:32 <Bjarni> or 1M 20:37:04 <Bjarni> actually I don't care much for the revision numbers 20:37:22 <Bjarni> we should just use the number of revisions that we can benefit from using 20:37:24 <Thomas[NL]> nobody does, we just want new features 20:37:59 <Wolf01> :) 20:40:53 <Wolf01> maybe with r9999 the svn server crashes so we must restart from r1 #_# 20:41:07 <Sacro|Laptop> ooh 20:41:11 <Sacro|Laptop> buffer overflow 20:41:21 <Thomas[NL]> well I'm off ... exams tomorrow 20:41:22 <Sacro|Laptop> it might tick over to A000 20:41:42 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:42:44 <Wolf01> so we should have at least 26222 revisions to reach r10000 20:43:24 <Wolf01> err 26221 :) 20:43:43 <Belugas> oups... 20:43:47 <Belugas> tx to Rubidium 20:49:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:09 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:54:03 <Wolf01> hi lolman 20:54:11 <lolman> Ello Wolf01 20:59:31 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:51 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:03:24 <Sacro|Laptop> oh noes 21:03:30 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5BA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:32 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14:20 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:45 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:06 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:26:14 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 21:27:14 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: Hendikins|BNEABXMEL 21:30:28 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 21:30:29 *** Netsplit over, joins: Hendikins|BNEABXMEL 21:44:46 <skidd13> How can I check if a vehicle is a tram? 21:44:51 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:45:08 <skidd13> I mean via code. ;) 21:45:31 <Rubidium> v->u.road.roadtype and/or v->u.road.compatible_roadtypes 21:47:36 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065103.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47:46 <Bjarni> <skidd13> I mean via code. ;) <--- hehe. It shouldn't be an issue in the game user interface or in real life 21:47:48 <Sacro|Laptop> skidd13: make a tram track and see if it follows it 21:47:48 <Bjarni> ;) 21:48:56 <Bjarni> even though I once asked "is this a train or a tram" regarding a picture on the net... people didn't really agree until they realised that it was diesel 21:49:06 <Bjarni> but... why can't trams be diesel powered? 21:49:48 <Zuu> In the past there was horse-powered trams, so why not diesel? 21:50:22 <Bjarni> that's what I'm asking 21:51:01 <peter1138> o_O 21:51:03 <peter1138> nini 21:51:08 <skidd13> Rubidium: Thanks that worked :) 21:51:10 <Zuu> The trams in my town run on DC since in the past when they built it only DC was available (I think) 21:51:14 <Belugas> night peter1138 21:51:21 <Belugas> and... whoo.... me too ! 21:51:26 <Belugas> good night guys 21:51:27 <Bjarni> it's a good idea to make them electric because the lines are so short and it really increases the air quality not to use diesel in the cities, but still 21:51:33 <Bjarni> night peter1138 21:51:35 <Bjarni> night Belugas 21:53:01 <Sionide> who's in charge of the tt-forums planet? 21:53:03 <Sionide> orudge? 21:53:48 <Bjarni> Zuu: until pretty recently (like 20-30 years ago), DC engines were so much easier to control that all rail vehicles used them if possible 21:54:26 <Zuu> Okay 21:54:33 <Bjarni> AC engines had some issues that was pretty hard to overcome 21:55:01 <Bjarni> today they all use AC because of the like 99% efficiency in them and the fact that they are even easier to control today than DC engines 21:55:21 <Bjarni> because they are controlled by the frequency instead of the voltage 21:55:24 <Sacro|Laptop> Sionide: Aegir apparently 21:55:54 <Sionide> oh yeah 21:56:02 <Bjarni> but certain lines (even countries) are stuck with DC catenary because it's really expensive to replace :s 21:56:58 <Bjarni> the DC line we have in Denmark actually uses trains that converts the DC to AC 21:57:06 <Wolf01> 'night 21:57:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host58-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:57:51 <Zuu> Bjarni: So most lines in Denmark are AC, but you got a line (somewhere) which is still DC? 21:58:04 <mikk36> err, wtf ??? 21:58:05 <mikk36> http://pildid.mikk36.eu/v/sodi/registry.PNG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 21:58:08 <mikk36> i just got that :P 22:00:38 *** staniel|home [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:41 <Sacro|Laptop> heh... nice 22:02:32 <mikk36> ahem.. 22:02:33 <mikk36> In Microsoft Windows Server 2003 and in Microsoft Windows XP, the Registry Size Limit (RSL) functionality has been removed. Therefore, there are no longer any limits on the total amount of space that may be consumed by registry data (hives) in paged pool memory, and in disk space. 22:02:39 <mikk36> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292726/en-us 22:02:59 <mikk36> Size of HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT : 5796787 22:02:59 <mikk36> Size of HKEY_USERS : 2836042 22:03:00 <mikk36> Size of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE : 14880194 22:03:00 <mikk36> Total Registry data size: 23513023 22:04:33 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 22:07:48 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:50 *** staniel [~dan@d226-27-250.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:10 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 22:11:20 <Bjarni> <Zuu> Bjarni: So most lines in Denmark are AC, but you got a line (somewhere) which is still DC? <--- The main lines uses 25 kV AC while the lines in Copenhagen (for EMUs only) uses 1500 V DC (since they started using that in 1934) 22:11:38 <Bjarni> 25 kV 50 Hz is the way to go today 22:12:38 <Bjarni> I feel sorry for NL as they use 1500 V DC for all their lines except one :s 22:13:15 <Bjarni> running freight trains on 1500 V can use up to 4 kA from the catenary >_< 22:13:29 <Bjarni> Japan has the same problem 22:15:20 *** Haclet [~haclet@77-97-206-88.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:16:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Bjarni> but... why can't trams be diesel powered? <- the city of Nordhausen in Thüringen has hybrid trams that are both electric and diesel powered 22:16:42 <Zuu> Eddi|zuHause2: That would be pretty usefull to not have the wires in the way for high road-transports. 22:16:46 <Bjarni> however the main problem with catenary in Denmark is actually not the AC/DC issue, but the fact that too many lines has no catenary at all 22:17:22 <Bjarni> high road vehicles are allowed to be 4 meters. Catenary is usually at least 4,5 meters over the rails 22:17:43 <Zuu> Trams too? 22:17:53 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc149.host4.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 22:18:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> Zuu: actually, they did that to reuse the tracks of the "Harzquerbahn" [narrow gauge], without putting up catenary 22:18:23 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5BA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:18:34 <Bjarni> it would be silly to have 1500 V power lines without insulation in say 3,8 meters over the road and allow 4 meter high busses and lorries to drive there 22:18:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> most german trams use like 500V DC 22:19:02 <Bjarni> right 22:19:11 <Bjarni> but it would still be a stupid idea :) 22:19:53 <Bjarni> let me guess: they are electric and diesel-electric 22:20:42 <Zuu> Here (Norrköping in Sweden) they have to manually take down parts of the catenary every month or so becase of transportation of high goods by truck to the harbour. This ofcourse costs money so soon they'll invest in a more automatic method to temporary raise the catenary. 22:20:43 <Bjarni> would be easier to control where the power comes from compared to controlling which engine to connect to the wheels 22:21:39 <Bjarni> sounds silly 22:21:56 <Bjarni> freight like that shouldn't be driving through the town 22:22:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> they're brand new, i doubt they produce anything that is not diesel electric anymore :p 22:22:30 <Bjarni> Siemens Desiro is diesel-mechanic 22:23:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> Zuu: that is most likely not a standard situation in most towns : 22:24:06 <Bjarni> well, DMUs tend to be diesel mechanic 22:24:16 <Bjarni> everything else tend to be diesel electric 22:24:35 <Bjarni> I think diesel-hydralic is kind of dead, but I'm not sure 22:24:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:25:05 <kaan> goodnight all :) 22:25:11 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc149.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:25:15 *** kaan [~Klaus@82.192.152.195] has left #openttd [] 22:25:39 <Bjarni> btw do you guys know the reason why diesel-hydralics came to life and was produced in the high amount as they were? 22:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> the ICE TD [that is a DMU, although that term is not used in german] is definitely diesel electric :) 22:27:05 <mikk36> aha, solved it 22:27:14 <mikk36> reduced registry size by 90% 22:27:19 <Bjarni> ICE has a high power output. Diesel-mechanic can only work if the power output (particular force) isn't too high 22:27:37 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CBB3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:27:55 <mikk36> but now to bed 22:27:58 <mikk36> good night :) 22:28:26 <mikk36> oh and, plugged my additional hdd back in 22:28:31 <Bjarni> <Bjarni> btw do you guys know the reason why diesel-hydralics came to life and was produced in the high amount as they were? <-- does no answer mean that nobody (but me) knows, that everybody knows or that you just don't care? 22:28:35 <mikk36> that came back from guarantee 22:28:38 <mikk36> Total Free: 308.57 GB/558.92 GB 22:29:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: yes :p 22:29:26 <Bjarni> fine 22:29:35 <Bjarni> then I don't have to tell you :D 22:29:36 <doc> wait, yes to which? :| 22:29:52 <Bjarni> doc: that's the point in the answer ;) 22:29:58 <Bjarni> you decide 22:30:00 <doc> ah :( 22:30:10 * doc goes back to lurking 22:30:42 <Bjarni> ok, let me ask this way: do you want to hear why they produced so many diesel-hydralics? 22:31:06 <doc> sure! 22:31:19 * doc proceeds to pick lint from his navel 22:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> if that helps with you stopping to bother us :p 22:31:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> go ahead :) 22:31:54 <Bjarni> in 1945, Europe had a lack of working locomotives and the ones they had was steam and was nearing replacement age 22:32:13 <Bjarni> until that time Germany had produced most locomotives in Europe 22:32:50 <Bjarni> USA didn't want Germany to earn money, so they banned building diesel-electric locomotives in Germany (was penalty thing) 22:33:17 <Bjarni> the only other big company that could supply Europe with new locomotives was GM 22:33:48 <Bjarni> Germany wanted to keep producing locomotives so to do that without violating the ban, they started building diesel-hydralics 22:34:21 <doc> kind of odd that, given the marshall plan, they'd want to *stop* germany making money 22:35:02 <Bjarni> that was the official explanation. They didn't want Germany to get their industry going too well, so they could build up to start a new war 22:35:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> they banned a lot of things in germany after the war 22:35:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> usually having to do with high tech and research 22:35:29 <Bjarni> but one could imagine that they knew that Europe had to use GM if Germany was out of the question 22:35:44 <doc> yup 22:35:59 <doc> germany being the engineering powerhouse it was from the mid 1800s 22:36:00 <Bjarni> diesel-electric was high tech at that time 22:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> for example Konrad Zuse [the inventor of the first fully programmable machine] had to migrate to switzerland to continue working on computers 22:37:26 <doc> weird to think how different things might have been had the germans not being so fond of talking politics in the pub 22:37:35 <doc> s/being/been 22:38:08 <Bjarni> or if Germany had won the war 22:38:19 <doc> I don't even want to consider that | 22:38:21 <doc> :| 22:38:30 <Bjarni> are you Jewish? :) 22:38:40 <doc> nope, I'm sensible :) 22:38:52 <doc> I mean, I have considered it, I just don't want to ;) 22:39:15 <doc> speaking of which: http://fukung.net/v/1282/image001.jpg 22:39:24 <doc> just to change the tone :) 22:40:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> winning the war would most likely have been the worst option of all :p 22:40:55 <doc> someone once said that they feared the allies had fought the wrong enemy :\ 22:41:08 <Bjarni> http://www.veterantoget.dk/materiel/pakgods/foto/dsb_za_1.jpg <--- look at this picture. The icon was used to indicate heath (like contents can be eaten or drunk). They stopped using it after the war 22:41:20 <Bjarni> but it had been in use for ages 22:41:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> i mean, just imagine the germans having the atomic bomb before the americans [who provenly have used captured german uranium to build it] 22:41:34 <doc> Bjarni: the swastika? 22:41:40 <Bjarni> yeah 22:41:43 <Bjarni> well 22:41:49 <Bjarni> it looks like it, but it's turned and with dots 22:42:05 <Bjarni> but it still looked too similar for some people 22:42:16 <doc> Eddi|zuHause2: yep, it's been said that it was only because a german prof (whose name I can't remember) actively didn't work on it as well as he could, that the germans would have had one 22:42:30 <doc> ah, ok 22:42:56 <_Mist_> that, and didn't they massively miscalculate the amount of fissibles required to get a chain-reaction started? 22:42:58 <Bjarni> btw this wagon is designed to transport cold beer 22:43:08 <Bjarni> 7,5 tons of it 22:43:16 <_Mist_> Carlsberg <3 22:43:20 <doc> let me guess, carlsberg beer? :) 22:43:20 <Bjarni> cooling it with 300 kg of ice 22:43:34 <_Mist_> doc: yup 22:43:39 <doc> _Mist_: hadn't heard that 22:43:46 <_Mist_> "Øltransport" = "Beer transport" 22:43:57 <Bjarni> yeah 22:44:06 <_Mist_> doc: that's what my newer history-book told me, anyway 22:44:20 * doc nods 22:44:29 <_Mist_> err, the textbook I had in the subject 'newer history', that is 22:44:36 * Bjarni has seen plenty of history books with incorrect info 22:44:46 <_Mist_> yeah 22:44:52 <_Mist_> so apply a dose of salt 22:44:56 <Bjarni> I mean, I even found books that disagreed on something and both couldn't be right 22:47:19 <doc> er, ok... :) 22:48:03 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> so called "history books" should be handled with care... 22:48:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> we all know history is written by the winners 22:52:00 <Sacro|Laptop> germany has no history? 22:52:54 <Bjarni> something like that 22:52:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> you mix that up with the french :p 22:53:06 <Bjarni> and that as well 22:53:10 <Sacro|Laptop> the french where on the winning side... 22:53:23 <Bjarni> they were overrun 22:53:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> but indeed, germany has a lack of history between 1933 and 1945 22:54:04 <Bjarni> well, something did happen in Germany 22:54:15 <Bjarni> they got rid of unemployment and stuff 22:54:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 22:55:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, by building the autobahn :) 22:56:30 <Bjarni> people still use it 22:56:32 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56:48 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:56:58 <Bjarni> and good thing they made it so pretty... I mean some people spend ages on the same short parts of it every day 22:57:12 <Bjarni> Sacro|Laptop: that was the wrong button :p 22:58:02 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: wrong keycommand :p 22:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: in east germany after 1945, the so called "Hitler-Autobahn" did not recieve any maintenance work, do you have any idea what they looked like by 1990? 22:58:39 <Bjarni> killall -9 -1 <-- that one is almost always wrong 22:58:59 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: kind of like our local railroad? 22:59:30 <Bjarni> I mean... if you use the train, you will be shaken together with the local population in no time 23:00:19 * Bjarni just found a new picture of him on the internet 23:00:23 <Sacro|Laptop> :o LINK 23:00:25 <Bjarni> I'm getting famous 23:00:35 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:00:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 23:00:48 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: post it in off-topic, picture of yourself thread 23:00:59 <Bjarni> http://www.veterantoget.dk/pool/l1_veteran.jpg <-- I'm the one in the white shirt (sorry about the size. I didn't decide to make it so small) 23:02:12 <Bjarni> now you all know what I look like 23:02:15 <Bjarni> :p 23:03:31 <Sacro|Laptop> thats a small train 23:04:18 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:47 <Sacro|Laptop> http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m1/goudenvacht50/caps515.jpg 23:07:52 <Bjarni> small? 23:07:55 <Bjarni> it's 12 wagons 23:08:14 <Bjarni> and that's a picture of you? 23:09:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: you got pictured for speeding?? :p 23:10:06 <Sacro|Laptop> that's not me 23:10:10 <Sacro|Laptop> there are pics of me around 23:10:16 <Sacro|Laptop> www.benwoodward.me.uk/me.png i belive 23:10:26 <Sacro|Laptop> no 23:10:30 <Sacro|Laptop> www.benwoodward.me.uk/me.jpg 23:11:30 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: you got pictured for speeding?? :p <-- no. I never drive too fast 23:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, we established that yesterday :p 23:12:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> i wonder if you can find pictures of me online 23:13:39 <Bjarni> surfing the net can be interesting. Now I found something about a video (DVD?) that is so interesting that everybody has to buy it... well at least the guy who made it hopes so 23:13:40 <Bjarni> http://www.grimstrup.dk/foto-39.htm 23:14:04 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:14:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 23:14:05 <Bjarni> funny thing is that I already know those engines 23:14:10 <Bjarni> you see, I have been in all of them 23:15:17 <Sacro|Laptop> http://www.google.com/maps?q=970+OFarrell+St,+San+Francisco,+CA+94109,+USA&ie=UTF8&ll=37.7889,-122.417489&spn=0.006774,0.013561&z=17&om=0&layer=c&cbll=37.785489,-122.417975&cbp=2,438.82277544807,0.667036460163099,2 23:15:48 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:45 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:42 <Bjarni> what is so interesting about that picture? 23:19:27 <Sacro|Laptop> caught leaving a strip joint :p 23:20:40 <Bjarni> ahh 23:25:35 <totalwormage> lol 23:26:25 <Bjarni> can't find any more pictures of me that I didn't know about 23:26:35 <Bjarni> I did find a picture of somebody I know though 23:26:40 <Sacro|Laptop> surely if you ifnd them then you know about them 23:27:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27:15 <Bjarni> I posted a link to a picture that I didn't know was online (I do know that now) 23:27:36 <Sacro|Laptop> mmm, true 23:30:42 <Bjarni> btw do you plan on expanding your homepage? 23:30:49 <Bjarni> Placeholder 23:30:49 <Bjarni> Content go here! 23:30:56 <Bjarni> I have seen bigger homepages :p 23:31:01 <Sacro|Laptop> its quite minimal i admit 23:31:55 *** setrodox [setrodox@83-65-233-129.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 23:45:09 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/85596 <-- OpenTTD is mentioned... and it's not from this channel... I don't know those guys 23:46:26 <Sacro|Laptop> shame they can't spell romhacking 23:46:41 <Sacro|Laptop> hmm 23:46:47 <Sacro|Laptop> why *can't* you destroy boats? 23:49:43 <Bjarni> because ship_cmd.cpp doesn't contain DestroyShip() or CrashShip() or SinkShip() 23:49:52 <Bjarni> nobody wrote it 23:50:13 <Sacro|Laptop> it should 23:51:15 <Bjarni> once a year, an UFO will attack a random ship and it will... do something we lack sprites for so it will look interesting and then the player will have to build a new ship 23:51:19 <Bjarni> something like that? 23:51:32 <Jerub> Q 23:51:37 <Jerub> or maybe not :p 23:52:26 <doc> he has a point though. There is no way to break a ship... 23:52:35 *** geoffk [~geoffk@host86-130-151-243.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:37 <Bjarni> I knew that 23:52:44 <Bjarni> for years 23:52:55 <Bjarni> but I don't care 23:52:59 <Bjarni> or rather 23:53:06 <Bjarni> it's a balance issue 23:53:13 <Bjarni> ships are bad enough already 23:53:24 <doc> anyone seen syriana? How about a terrarists!!1!ONE disaster? 23:53:55 <Bjarni> syriana? 23:54:01 <Bjarni> terrarists? 23:54:03 <Belugas> i suggested that a long time ago. no way 23:54:07 <Belugas> terrorirt 23:54:10 <Jerub> Well, I found ships to be very profitable when I was playing with the industry patch. 23:54:12 <Belugas> terrorist 23:54:33 <doc> good film, but the general gist is they attach a warhead they bought off the US to the front of a speedboat which they pilot into the side of an oil tanker 23:54:35 <Bjarni> I don't like those guys 23:54:42 <doc> the film is much much more complicated than that 23:54:44 <Jerub> Having to deliver a large amount of passengers to industries is eaiser to do with hovercraft. 23:54:45 <Bjarni> there is no way that they can get into MY game 23:54:53 <doc> and I'm joking by the way :/ 23:55:11 <Bjarni> no jokes allowed 23:55:16 <doc> my bad :o 23:55:21 <Bjarni> so everything said in here is meant seriously 23:55:27 <doc> ok 23:55:34 * doc steals Bjarni's pants 23:55:42 <doc> ok, I'm done now :) 23:55:46 * Bjarni shoots doc 23:55:50 * doc dies :( 23:56:26 <doc> in any case, it's a good film, worth watching :) 23:57:11 <Bjarni> you can't talk 23:57:17 <Bjarni> you are dead, remember? 23:57:40 <Bjarni> well, you can't remember anything while being dead either 23:57:46 <Bjarni> ... or can you? 23:57:59 * doc zombie!