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07:12:12 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 07:37:48 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@h32231.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:46:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:57:42 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb6f1a.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:00:19 *** HMage` [HMage@89-178-136-66.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:06:08 *** Zr40_ [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:14:40 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387CAC2.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:16:10 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:32:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r10076 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 08:32:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-06-09 10:29:27 08:32:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 1 fixed by ThomasA (1) 08:32:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: estonian - 1 fixed, 96 changed by kristjans (97) 08:32:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 29 fixed by Neonox (29) 08:32:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 fixed by miham (1) 08:32:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 1 fixed by lorenzodv (1) 08:41:00 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CAC2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:44:15 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 09:02:55 *** HMage [Queneex@89-178-39-243.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 09:03:37 *** Nickman [~nick_defr@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:06:35 *** bencvt [~bencvt@va-71-53-204-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #openttd [] 09:13:05 <TrueBrain> Digitalfox: http://bugs.openttd.org is there to place that comment 09:23:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77FB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:08 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76B08.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:48:12 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:52:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:04:07 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:04:43 *** kaan [~Klaus@82.192.152.195] has joined #openttd 10:04:51 <kaan> hi all 10:08:32 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a5fca.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:11:50 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 10:18:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FC13.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:28:11 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B753FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:31:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77FB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:53 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-125-222-196.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 10:48:21 *** Gekkko [~root@CPE-138-130-132-50.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:49:04 <stillunknown> Anyone know were the size of a tile is defined? 10:50:32 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb6f1a.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 10:51:44 <Noldo> size as in the amount of memory it takes to store one? 10:52:42 *** Gekkko [~root@CPE-138-130-132-50.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #openttd [] 10:53:09 <stillunknown> Noldo: actually im looking for the relation between dpi and tiles 10:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> map.h:143: TILE_SIZE = 16, ///< Tiles are 16x16 "units" in size 10:53:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> if that is what you search for 10:53:50 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb6f1a.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:54:13 <stillunknown> Actually, i think TILE_PIXELS is what i search 11:02:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76C70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:28 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B753FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:48 *** kaan [~Klaus@82.192.152.195] has left #openttd [] 11:12:54 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-139-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20:30 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:43:12 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:45:20 <stillunknown> Can i assume that the compiler will optimize (x/32) << 8 to x << 3? 11:45:32 <stillunknown> assuming that 32 and 8 are not variables 11:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i would expect that, yes 11:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause> use / for any arithmetic calculations, and << only if you do bitshifting 11:49:49 <stillunknown> My problem is this: i was looking at that hash_map patch, some parts made no sense. 11:50:25 <stillunknown> Until i found out that some of the bitshifting included values related to TILE_SIZE and TILE_PIXELS 11:50:31 <skidd13> Is there a function to get the next tile by a DiagDirection param? 11:51:56 <stillunknown> so (y/TILE_SIZE) << HASH_BITS is a lot more clear to me, then y << (HASH_BITS - 4) 11:52:08 <stillunknown> As far as i know it should optimize this. 11:52:20 <stillunknown> Since 16 and 32 are magnitudes of 2. 11:52:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, prefer the version that is clear to the reader 11:54:00 <Eddi|zuHause> especially if someone gets the weird idea of changing TILE_SIZE :) 11:54:32 <stillunknown> I just want to get this patch into trunk, because i feel a language barrier is keeping the author from doing it. 11:54:44 <stillunknown> But i do have to understand the patch ;-) 11:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause> replace one language barrier by another :p 11:55:38 <stillunknown> I can see by the code that the guy knows what he is doing, but his english seems poor. 11:55:57 <stillunknown> Like filling interests: yes in his profile. 11:56:15 <stillunknown> "interests: yes" 11:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it might be like in austin powers: "sex: yes, please" :p 11:58:35 <stillunknown> You know what i mean. 11:58:46 <stillunknown> It's not just that. 12:01:43 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CAC2.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:03:02 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-155-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:04:07 *** Frostregen__ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-174-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:05:18 *** Frostregen72 [~sucks@dslb-084-058-118-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:05:37 *** Frostregen72 is now known as Frostregen_ 12:11:03 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-155-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:27 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 12:12:08 *** Frostregen__ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-174-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:18:41 *** boekabart [~bdb@e215192.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:19:32 *** geoffk [~geoffk@host86-130-159-207.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:26:03 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:43:06 *** Dego [~jack@BSN-61-10-236.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:38 <Dego> can some1 explain how to do that tihng with truck that they drive only 1 block and u get money? 12:47:22 *** kaan [~Klaus@82.192.152.195] has joined #openttd 12:55:03 *** HMage [Queneex@89-178-39-243.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:07 <geoffk> is there a way to set autoclean_companies so it only deletes unprotected (without passord set) companies? 12:58:26 *** pro [~http@80-240-220-232.dnat.migtel.ru] has joined #openttd 12:59:17 <glx> autoclean_companies only delete unprotected ones 12:59:29 <geoffk> seems not to be the case for me 13:00:08 <glx> there's another setting that unprotect protected companies after a certain time 13:00:56 <geoffk> yeah i set in months how long before either get deleted, and then i can either turn on autoclean or turn it off 13:02:15 <geoffk> i have always had a default setting syaing to delete protected i think after 36 months, but unless autoclean_companies is on the they dont get deleted so im confused 13:02:27 <Sacro> i hate autoclean 13:02:30 <geoffk> i tried setting to 0 13:02:35 <geoffk> yeah i dont like it but 13:03:04 <geoffk> people leave the game loads of casdh builds up then always get soem idito come on the company and mess up the map 13:03:11 <geoffk> idiot* 13:04:30 <geoffk> its happenign every day im finding, i check my servers and someone has tried to flatten all the land, so im planning to enforce a rule of setting passwords of expect to be deleted 13:06:53 <geoffk> i dont see anyother option than to have these companies removed if players dont keep a pass if i can make that happen without loosing protected companies 13:08:15 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:08:33 <geoffk> if someone is going to destroy companies beyond point of repair and mess up the map they may as well be removed 13:14:42 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB6F1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:15:18 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb6f1a.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:02 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:26:02 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:09 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:12 *** Sacro [ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:26:50 *** Gekkko[PDA] [gekko@64.79.209.123] has joined #openttd 13:26:53 <Gekkko[PDA]> hi. 13:28:05 <kaan> hello : 13:28:05 <kaan> hello :) 13:28:30 <Gekkko[PDA]> lol 13:29:37 <kaan> dont mind me, im just not good friends with my keyboard today 13:33:30 <Gekkko[PDA]> kaan: im on a pda 13:33:34 <Gekkko[PDA]> much hardr 13:36:14 <stillunknown> Then find yourself a keyboard, preferably one attached to a computer ;-) 13:37:04 <Gekkko[PDA]> no. 13:37:35 <Gekkko[PDA]> i play openttd on here too 13:37:44 <Gekkko[PDA]> palmttd its called. 13:37:53 <glx> we don't support it :) 13:38:40 <Gekkko[PDA]> so? 13:38:59 <Gekkko[PDA]> i dont need support. 13:39:01 <Eddi|zuHause> go away! :p 13:39:24 <Gekkko[PDA]> i use it on the pc to a lesser extent 13:39:32 <glx> it's just don't ask us if you find a bug :) 13:40:10 <Gekkko[PDA]> i found a bug, my pda crashes when vi try tyo insdtall the windows exe on my pda >.> 13:40:17 <Gekkko[PDA]> lol. 13:41:05 <Gekkko[PDA]> make openttd into an OS haha 13:44:05 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 13:55:45 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a5fca.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 13:59:10 <stillunknown> kaan: ping 14:07:54 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7583B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:33 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76C70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:53 *** boekabar1 [~bdb@e215192.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:32:45 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-153-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:34:34 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-227-197.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:34:39 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-227-197.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 14:35:18 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-118-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:25 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 14:36:35 <kaan> stillunknown: pong 14:37:03 <boekabar1> time: 2220000ms 14:37:30 <kaan> hehe 14:37:38 *** boekabart is now known as Guest1432 14:37:39 *** boekabar1 is now known as boekabart 14:37:57 *** Guest1432 [~bdb@e215192.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:00 <stillunknown> kaan: As my biggest supporter i'd like to focus your attention on the OTTD optimisation thread. 14:38:42 <kaan> I saw it, i just didn't take the time to read the code :) 14:39:06 <stillunknown> I've rewritten a small part of it, so i can understand what it does ;-) 14:39:21 <boekabart> stillunknown: rewritten a small part of which one? 14:39:23 <kaan> ill take another look then :P 14:39:54 <stillunknown> the gui.patch 14:39:56 <stillunknown> the first one 14:40:14 <stillunknown> To remove some of the seemingly magic. 14:40:24 <stillunknown> To me at least. 14:42:22 <stillunknown> Mostly confined to the hash generation macros, the ViewportAddVehicles function and some small things in other places 14:44:00 <stillunknown> @boekabart 14:45:58 <boekabart> a lot of people are looking at that patch ;) 14:46:48 <stillunknown> boekabart: what makes you think that? 14:46:56 <boekabart> i know that 14:47:15 <boekabart> i've heard a lot of people talking about it now and then 14:47:21 <boekabart> in-depth 14:47:50 <stillunknown> The point is, that they don't actually fix or accept it ;-) 14:48:41 <stillunknown> And i was a bit confused about some of the things it did, so i "reverse engineered" it. 14:48:42 <boekabart> well there always is the other way to do it, the map bits version 14:49:16 <boekabart> stillunknown: it's pretty clear but the hash table/linkedlist management should be 'taken outside' imho 14:50:06 <stillunknown> Be a little clearer than that, i'm not actually that familiar with hashmaps. 14:50:48 <stillunknown> I just fixed what i couldn't understand. 14:51:02 <Bjarni> boekabart: how did you manage to print the screenshot on the cake? 14:51:25 <boekabart> pixelling with candy pieces 14:51:33 <Bjarni> how? 14:51:35 <boekabart> or, order it at www.hema.nl 14:51:58 <boekabart> they just offer picture-on-cake... takes 2 days 14:52:07 <Bjarni> ahh 14:52:22 <boekabart> they were looking at me in a very weird way when I picked it up from the store 14:52:35 <Bjarni> :D 14:52:40 <boekabart> 'have fun at whatever party YOU'RE going to' 14:53:18 <boekabart> stillunknown: vehicle position (either in screen coords or game coords) is converted to a hash number (magic), then on that location in a table (much smaller than map of course), it puts a pointer to this vehicle. If there already is one there (possible collision partner), it becomes a linked list 14:53:44 <stillunknown> Basicly only taking the first X bits of the location. 14:54:07 <boekabart> the least significant ones, in his implementaion, yes 14:54:29 <boekabart> but that can be any calculation, doesn't matter very much 14:55:07 <stillunknown> So far i haven't heard a problem. 14:55:28 <boekabart> you're waiting for one? 14:55:37 <stillunknown> stillunknown: it's pretty clear but the hash table/linkedlist management should be 'taken outside' imho 14:55:43 <stillunknown> That implied a problem. 14:55:49 <stillunknown> Or a suggestion. 14:55:50 <boekabart> well, code readability 14:55:59 <boekabart> and less duplication 14:56:03 <stillunknown> I have no idea what you're referring to. 14:56:15 <boekabart> now the same thing is done for 2 hash tables. waste of code 14:56:39 <stillunknown> Maybe a template would be suitable. 14:56:48 <boekabart> it would 14:57:04 <boekabart> without maybe :) 14:58:03 <boekabart> plus i'd use an other hash function, but that's just my gut feeling that it could be faster that way 14:58:21 <stillunknown> spill 14:58:57 <boekabart> neh, anyway, i don't currently have time to work on it yet, plus i'm not a dev so it might be a waste of time if other people are still working on it too. 14:59:32 <stillunknown> Is it conceptually different or just different in terms of code? 15:00:07 <boekabart> no, just the hash function 15:00:17 <boekabart> the fn that converts x, y into a position in the table 15:00:56 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 15:00:57 <stillunknown> But you would discard different information? 15:01:33 <boekabart> a hash is never about information or discarding it. it's just a matter of a different distribution of items over an array 15:01:54 <boekabart> usually, you want as little collisions as possible. but in this case maybe it's different 15:02:07 <stillunknown> Essentially you're making a linear combination of several smaller maps. 15:02:31 <boekabart> stillunknown: doesn't need to be linear, that's actually what i wouldn't want it to be 15:03:44 <stillunknown> Another solution is to simply take, supertiles and store them, so you always get nearby stuff. 15:04:15 <boekabart> that's also just another hash, using the most significant bits 15:04:47 <boekabart> but that will result in lots of 'collisions' in the table, not something you usually want but in this case it might actually be good 15:05:16 <boekabart> since in 95% of cases, you won't have to scan 2 or 4 hash values but just 1 15:05:44 <boekabart> then again, scanning hash values is not more expensive that going through a longer linked list. 15:06:00 <stillunknown> If you ever think you can explain what you mind, in not so many words, then be my guest. 15:06:11 <boekabart> and your suggestion would make all nearby trains candidates, more to check. bad thing.. 15:06:34 <stillunknown> Keeping in mind that i just do programming as a hobby and have no serious background for these kind of things. 15:10:00 <boekabart> i also do it just as a hobby... but also for work :) 15:10:59 *** Sug [~graeme@88-104-31-62.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:11:40 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 15:12:40 <stillunknown> boekabart: two years ago even a printf confused me, these days i'm a little better, but lacking the theoretical background 15:12:59 <boekabart> printf still confuses me. forever will. 15:13:13 <stillunknown> I meant, C confused me completely. 15:13:13 <kaan> stillunknown: id say that this is the understatement of the year ;) 15:13:14 <boekabart> who in the right state of mind.... 15:14:04 <kaan> a little better .... hmmm, id like to get a little better at programming too ;) 15:14:24 <stillunknown> away for dinner 15:14:42 *** pro [~http@80-240-220-232.dnat.migtel.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:57 <kaan> right, good idea, ill go make me some dinner as well 15:15:33 <boekabart> kaan: make me some too! ;0 15:15:37 *** pro [~http@80-240-220-232.dnat.migtel.ru] has joined #openttd 15:15:59 <kaan> if you can be here in 40 minutes when im done then please do join me :) 15:16:30 <boekabart> define here 15:16:38 <kaan> nørup, denmark 15:16:55 <boekabart> sorry, my teleporter is out of order 15:17:05 <kaan> #define here 15:17:09 <kaan> :P 15:20:55 <Bjarni> Nørup... that's a far away place :p 15:21:09 <boekabart> even for you?? 15:21:15 <boekabart> how big can denmark be 15:21:16 <Bjarni> yeah 15:21:30 <boekabart> (pretty big on a 2048x2048 map, in fact) 15:21:33 <boekabart> :D 15:21:37 <Bjarni> how big is relative... it's too far to walk 15:21:59 <boekabart> which is relative again 15:22:24 <Bjarni> it's too far on bike as well 15:22:54 <Bjarni> the town even lacks rail connection, so it's tricky to get there 15:23:06 <boekabart> wouldn't be your kind of town then, would it? 15:23:16 <Bjarni> hmm 15:23:32 <Bjarni> it has been a while since I was in a town without rail connection 15:23:44 <boekabart> does it itch when you are? 15:24:27 <Bjarni> I see it as opportunity... an unopened market for the taking 15:26:09 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7884E.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:26:45 <Sacro> Bjarni: you should take out £100,000 loan and set to work 15:28:48 <Bjarni> " 55°43'14.47"N, 9°18'12.21"E" <-- copy paste this into google earth and you can see the location in question 15:29:28 <Bjarni> hey I might even have been in this town 15:29:39 <Bjarni> passing though towards another town 15:30:16 <hylje> what 15:31:06 <Bjarni> what what? 15:31:29 <hylje> what what what 15:32:00 <boekabart> now what 15:32:03 <Bjarni> . . . 15:32:32 <Bjarni> now see what you have done.... you made the channel go off topic >_< 15:32:57 <Bjarni> so instead of speaking or a village, it's confused 15:32:59 <boekabart> Bjarni: there is an airfield nearby (little to the west) maybe a railservice to there? 15:33:26 <boekabart> billund... isn't legoland there? 15:33:39 <Bjarni> it is 15:33:43 <Bjarni> next to the airport 15:33:54 <boekabart> which one, there are 2 airpts 15:33:59 <boekabart> top or bottom? 15:34:09 <hylje> the left one 15:35:18 <Bjarni> 55°44'7.08"N, 9° 7'41.20"E 15:35:50 <boekabart> the factory to the left of it, is that Lego? 15:35:54 <Bjarni> yes 15:36:09 * boekabart doesn't remember much, it's been 23 years since he's been there 15:41:08 *** remus [numers@c-3516e155.528-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:13 <Bjarni> it has changed a lot in the last few years 15:56:44 * Sacro wonders if the Lego factory is made out of Lego 15:58:02 <Bjarni> not really 15:58:11 <Bjarni> but they do have a whole lot of lego in there 15:59:06 <kaan> hmmm, i really should go to legoland and ride the lego train soon 15:59:20 <kaan> also id like to see the new shark aquarium 15:59:46 <kaan> legotrain <---- seee, there is rail nearby! 16:00:03 <Sacro> how fast does gravity travel... 16:02:42 <kaan> gravity doesnt travel, it pulls stuff 16:02:56 <strstrep> Gravity travels at the speed of light. 16:03:26 <strstrep> They think. 16:03:44 <strstrep> Either that or it travels instantaneously. 16:03:44 <Sacro> hmmm 16:03:57 <Sacro> yes, i am stuck as to which 16:04:46 <strstrep> They think it travels at the speed of light because otherwise information could be conveyed faster than light, and that is theoretically impossible. 16:08:06 <kaan> boekabart: dinner is served! did you fix that teleporter? 16:12:09 <Bjarni> dinner!!! 16:12:27 <Bjarni> well, it will be either cold or eaten before I can arrive 16:16:09 <kaan> eaten most likely at this rate :) 16:19:44 <kaan> But you are always welcome, we can have a BBQ is many people come http://www.skovognatur.dk/Ud/Oplev/Aktuelt/Naturbilletten/Artikler/Juli_2006/Madpakkehus.htm 16:20:04 <kaan> *if 16:33:24 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6F1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 16:35:25 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb6f1a.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:58 *** pro [~http@80-240-220-232.dnat.migtel.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:02 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 17:04:08 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:48 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 17:09:42 *** HMage [Queneex@89-178-118-224.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:10:25 <Wolf01> a friend of mine is trying to compile ottd (trunk) with ubuntu 7.04, but the binary don't work, when he click on the binary don't happen anything 17:11:50 <Sacro> Wolf01: run it from a console 17:11:57 <Wolf01> seem that also when he overwrite the binary with the nightly one it doesn't work too 17:12:08 <Wolf01> but if he use only the nightly it works 17:12:35 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:14:00 <Wolf01> Sacro, he say that it doesn't work from the console too 17:14:13 <Sacro> Wolf01: it should at least give an error 17:14:33 <Wolf01> nothing 17:14:48 <Wolf01> i'm asking for the crash.log 17:16:14 <Wolf01> he just deleted the ottd folder to retry 17:17:09 <Wolf01> but he is sure that the crash.log never existed 17:19:28 <Sacro> no 17:19:32 <Sacro> but if it didnt crash 17:30:22 <Wolf01> in fact it doesn't start 17:31:12 <glx> Wolf01: crash.log is only for win32 releases 17:31:17 <Sacro> what? nothing printed to stderr? 17:31:23 <Sacro> openttd -d 17:31:29 <kaan> maybe it needs chmod to executeable 17:31:42 <Sacro> kaan: it would say something surely? 17:31:44 <Wolf01> he tried with root 17:35:03 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 17:35:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 17:36:27 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:37:04 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [] 17:38:07 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 17:38:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 17:39:44 <kaan> Sacro: yuo are right 17:43:35 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:48:29 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:41 <Bjarni> <kaan> Sacro: yuo are right <-- don't spread such rumours.... we know it's impossible :P 17:52:50 <Sacro> :o 17:52:56 * Sacro slaps Bjarni 17:53:09 <Bjarni> see 17:53:13 * hylje redirects the slap to Bjarni 17:53:34 <Bjarni> he can't argue verbally, so he has to resort to physical violence 17:53:38 <Bjarni> like an animal 18:04:44 <kaan> i had a wife like that :P 18:05:48 <Touqen> my windows install died :/ 18:06:03 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 18:06:04 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80F69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:07 <Touqen> Repair installs won't even finish 18:06:08 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:08:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b82b04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:08:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:09:50 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:28:36 <Touqen> APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD~! 18:30:50 *** Sug [~graeme@88-104-31-62.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:31:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r10077 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: 18:31:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: FS#845 Cloning Trains Longer Than 8 Units Causes Crash 18:31:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: The problem was that if adding units to the clone (wagon by wagon) failed, then cloning wouldn't notice it and it made two half trains 18:31:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Now it detects this case and it will make cloning fail. The string with the explanation for the failed move will be used in the error message so the user will know why it failed. 18:41:45 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:49 *** remus_ [numers@c-3516e155.528-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:55:10 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0E3F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:34 *** orudge` [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 19:15:58 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:17 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:34:13 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 19:34:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 19:34:45 *** orudge` [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:40 *** Kejhic [~jklamo@81.31.26.224] has joined #openttd 19:40:46 <Kejhic> !password 19:41:09 <Kejhic> hmm, sorry, bad channel... 19:41:11 *** Kejhic [~jklamo@81.31.26.224] has left #openttd [] 19:43:15 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:46 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:43:53 *** HMage` [HMage@89-178-184-17.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:45:14 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:45:47 *** HMage [Queneex@89-178-118-224.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:35 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-166-65.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 19:51:41 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 19:57:33 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 20:02:27 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-151-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:48 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-153-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:07 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 20:06:11 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 20:09:54 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:13 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 20:14:19 *** Sacro [ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:27:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b82b04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:30 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8437A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:30:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:33:25 *** Sacro [ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:36:35 <Wolf01> 'night 20:36:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host202-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:39:24 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A446A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:18 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A446A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 21:15:28 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5B4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:49 *** pro [~http@80-240-220-232.dnat.migtel.ru] has joined #openttd 21:21:44 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-166-65.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:24 <kaan> weee, i just won 2$ in poker 21:30:33 <kaan> i better spend them fast :P 21:30:48 <kaan> i know, ill spend them on poker! 21:31:51 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:12 <kaan> Its done, i have spend the 2 $ :D 21:54:39 <ln-> quiz: in what country was this photo taken: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/wagon.jpg 21:54:52 <boekabart> finland? 21:55:35 <boekabart> there's BENZIN in it 21:55:53 <boekabart> GAZPROMsomething 21:56:00 <boekabart> it's definately a russion wagon 21:56:09 <boekabart> GAZPROMTRANS 21:56:47 <stillunknown> Am i the only one who thinks those cars have seen better days? 21:56:55 <ln-> finland is correct. 21:57:07 <boekabart> the one to the left has NEFT' , nafta? 21:57:33 <boekabart> ln-: the url gave it away 21:59:17 <ln-> TARA 27 T it also says 22:01:27 <Phazorx> quiz wagons are russian 22:01:30 <Phazorx> but country is harder 22:01:46 <Phazorx> overhanging caternary is not standard russian 22:02:01 <Phazorx> and gazprom feeds with oil/gaz mosty of europe 22:02:11 <Phazorx> however over pipes, not trains 22:03:03 <Phazorx> if resolution would be better - you could tell by rails 22:04:33 <Phazorx> title on of wagons says that it is it to be returned ASAP into middle of siberia, so i say it is russian :) 22:04:46 <ln-> Phazorx: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/wagon_highres.jpg 22:06:08 <Phazorx> lol i can tell what camera were used :) 22:06:37 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 22:07:41 <Phazorx> still not good enough 22:07:52 <Phazorx> you can see secondary rails between wagons 22:08:00 <Phazorx> on wooden base 22:08:17 <Phazorx> russian never put mroe than 3 of nails there out of 4 possible 22:08:48 <Phazorx> alternatively - see ing "??" on rails somewhere would clear it too 22:11:59 <ln-> finland is the correct answer, but interesting detective work. 22:14:16 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb6f1a.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 22:14:25 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6F1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:36 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:21:30 *** lolman_ [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:27:08 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:54 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5B4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:30:34 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code is a psychopath who knows where you live.] 22:36:20 *** lolman_ [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:37:29 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-125-222-196.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 22:47:47 *** lolman_ [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:56:07 *** kaan [~Klaus@82.192.152.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:08 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:01:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FC13.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:02 *** Phazorx [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:42 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:57 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 23:19:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 23:20:51 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7884E.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:28 *** Nickman [~nick_defr@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 23:28:29 <Smoovious> hahahaha... :) cool cake. :D 23:34:50 *** Dego [~jack@BSN-61-10-236.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [] 23:42:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:48:22 *** Phazorx [~PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd