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00:04:29 *** DreaM[BrB] [~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253] has quit [Quit: ][DreaM-ScripT][] 00:05:33 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 00:12:41 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:21:57 <ln-> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=190329&nseq=99 00:23:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i have seen that location before... 00:24:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure it's the very same spot, just different trains 00:25:32 *** re06011988 [~RE0601198@ADijon-152-1-35-191.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:27:32 <Phazorx> pretty 00:37:42 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-224-77.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:59:37 <Digitalfox> wow!! How may wagons caa train have, that cargo looks to 30 or more?? :\ 00:59:51 <Digitalfox> *can a train 01:20:58 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-43-244.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:21:59 *** SmatZ [~root@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:31:30 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B753CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:36:09 *** Mucht [~Mucht@87.160.196.188] has joined #openttd 01:37:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74FE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:54:40 <Ailure> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=598108#598108 01:54:44 <Ailure> I just love being a smartass 01:55:15 <Ailure> [02:19] <ln-> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=190329&nseq=99 01:55:34 <Ailure> haha that reminds me about that picture on the ttdpatch page showing off mammoth trains somehow :p 01:55:46 <Ailure> from back when it was a new featuer 01:55:51 <Ailure> which is for a quite long time ago now 02:04:13 <TinoDidriksen> Hmm, Transport Tycoon Biblical Edition..."Who can build the best donkey cart service in the Holy Land" 02:13:48 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B82CDC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:07 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B83E15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:03:52 <Ailure> heh 03:03:59 <Ailure> 19th century transport would be fun to try 03:04:04 <Ailure> but anything earlier would be silly 03:04:19 <Ailure> considering the scale of the game anyway 03:19:13 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 03:35:33 *** HMage [hmage@89-178-33-50.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 03:39:03 <mikk36> mornin' :) 04:08:17 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> synthon.oftc.net quits: CIA-1, Tefad, mikegrb, Tobin, lolman, stillunknown, Smoovious 04:08:31 *** Netsplit over, joins: mikegrb, Tobin, lolman, stillunknown, Smoovious, Tefad, CIA-1 04:08:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 04:08:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by 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08:00:20 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03:03 *** oxygene_ [~oxygene@p50806FF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:10:01 *** lolman_ [JYugen@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:12:04 *** lolman_ [JYugen@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:17:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r10196 /trunk/src/lang/ (japanese.txt slovenian.txt): 08:17:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-06-18 10:15:44 08:17:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: japanese - 2 fixed by ickoonite (2) 08:17:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: slovenian - 3 fixed by Necrolyte (3) 08:42:00 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:52:45 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:57:26 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:57:26 *** lolman_ 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put that in OpenTTD 10:31:12 <Rubidium> Gekko: trams are not enabled when you don't have a newgrf that adds trams 10:31:21 <Gekko> Rubidium: I relised that :) 10:31:28 <Gekko> wow nice typo I have there 10:31:28 <Gekko> >_> 10:31:31 <Gekko> realised. 10:34:02 *** geoffk [~geoffk@host81-152-90-185.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:36:08 *** SmatZ [~root@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:40:23 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:12 <eekee> Can you make a truck with a null cargo, but refittable? I mean, could I make a GRF with chassis cab trucks refittable to carry wood / ore / coal/ etc? 10:42:25 *** Konar6 [~Konar6@54.238.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:44:52 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 10:48:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10197 /trunk/src/ (45 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: replace int32 with CommandCost where appropriate. 10:48:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> i see no reason why it shouldn't be 10:49:55 <Gekko> eekee: sounds cool :) 10:49:59 <eekee> ^^ 10:50:04 <Gekko> eekee: you could make them carry 2 passengers initially 10:50:07 <Gekko> two seats :P 10:50:12 <eekee> hehe ya 10:50:15 <Gekko> if people actually use it, they're idiots :) 10:50:17 <Gekko> or me... 10:50:19 <Gekko> lol 10:50:21 <eekee> XD 10:50:34 <Gekko> that sounds really cool though 10:51:02 <Gekko> is there still a max. limit of vehicles that can be added to TTD? 10:51:09 <eekee> I'm thinking of realism, & also freeing up road vehicle ID #s 10:51:11 <Gekko> because that could be a way to minimize that problem. 10:51:24 <Gekko> so you are on the same page as me :D 10:51:36 <eekee> yep hehe, you can't actually /add/ any, only reuse numbers. 10:51:39 <Gekko> goods truck could also be a food truck 10:51:57 <Gekko> without looking odd. 10:52:23 <eekee> Yeah & you can use 2nd company color to distinguish them. UKRS does that with it's train trucks 10:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, like the wagons in the DBSet, they can be refitted to a lot of stuff 10:52:58 <Gekko> Iron Ore and Steel in one truck 10:53:14 <Gekko> Paper rolls in an oil tanker? xD 10:53:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> that wouldn't work very well... 10:53:26 <Gekko> mail truck and a paper truck? 10:53:55 <eekee> paper trucks in TTD are flat bed, so they go with steel, wood, etc 10:54:07 <Gekko> that's daft 10:54:11 <Gekko> wouldnt the paper blow away? 10:54:12 <Gekko> xD 10:54:28 <eekee> no it's on tonne+ reels :D 10:54:34 <Gekko> lol 10:54:55 <Gekko> I <3 Purno's 2cc railset 10:54:58 <Gekko> which hasnt been released yet 10:55:24 <eekee> ever visited a printing factory IRL? A real production one, not a museum keeping little old flatbed presses running 10:55:52 <Gekko> yes 10:55:55 <Gekko> yes i have 10:55:55 <eekee> The paper reels an be 1-5 tonnes or more :D 10:55:59 <Gekko> but I'm not quite away alright? 10:56:03 <Gekko> awake... 10:56:04 <Gekko> not away 10:56:08 <Gekko> my brain is away 10:56:16 <eekee> okay, fair enough 10:56:20 <Gekko> will there ever be a point where more vehicles could be added? 10:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you program it... 10:57:51 <eekee> someone sugested it in this thead in the TTDPatch graphics forums, & I think someone said it would break a lot of stuff. I'm always skeptical of such breakage claims, but they usually mean a lot more work would have to be put in 10:58:55 <Gekko> because you'd have to tell everything that 5 isnt the last number 10:58:57 <Gekko> 7 is 10:59:12 <Gekko> they'd all be like "BUT ITS BEEN 5 SINCE 1995! I AINT CHANGIN'." 10:59:20 <Gekko> OpenTTD hits it with some trout, it's all good. 10:59:45 <eekee> hehe 11:00:29 <Gekko> 10kb/s breaks my balls. 11:01:21 <eekee> bahahahaha >D 11:01:26 <eekee> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=598232#598232 11:01:36 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-43-244.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:01:58 <eekee> That's in the TTDPatch gfx forum since that's where the thread that gave me the idea was 11:02:18 <Gekko> lol 11:02:25 <Gekko> high five. 11:03:13 <eekee> ^_^ 11:04:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10198 /trunk/src/fileio.h: -Fix (r10194): did not search all search paths. 11:06:26 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:42 <Purno> Gekko , thanks 11:09:07 <Gekko> :D 11:09:18 <Gekko> when do you think it will be nearly complete? 11:09:21 <Gekko> couple of months? 11:09:46 <Purno> can't say 11:09:56 <Purno> the coder will have very little time the coming years 11:10:06 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 11:11:07 <eekee> years? New baby? New job? 11:11:10 *** Jay [~jay@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:01 <Gekko> release the unclean code and allow someone to fix it? 11:16:31 <eekee> It's probably already in an accessable branch isnt' it? 11:17:01 <eekee> Hey does OTTD support new industries? I ask because I loaded up the mars conversion grf & the industries retained the Toyland names and... squeaks... D: 11:17:25 <Rubidium> not yet, but it's under development 11:17:42 <eekee> ok cool 11:18:04 <eekee> I can still rename industries & cargos with action 4 can't I? 11:18:31 *** lolman__ [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:00 <Maedhros> cargos yes, industries no 11:23:25 <eekee> dang :/ 11:23:28 <eekee> ah well 11:27:38 <eekee> Can I restrict the available bridges for each track type, or or change the bridge speed / cost / length settings? 11:28:34 <peter1138> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php?title=Peter1138/NewBridges 11:28:45 <peter1138> ^^ that's how far i got with documenting my plans for bridges :o 11:29:40 <eekee> k :D 11:29:50 <eekee> LOL ok 11:30:54 <peter1138> actually i have a little more than that 11:30:56 <peter1138> but only a little;) 11:31:00 <eekee> ok hehe 11:31:12 <peter1138> but speed, cost & length are adjustable, iirc 11:31:19 <peter1138> track type restriction isn't 11:31:34 <eekee> ahh cool cool 11:33:44 <eekee> I'm checking what can be done now, because I'm making a lunar 'climate' & would rather make it & get it out there than wait for new features 11:34:29 <Gekko> I'm out peeps, cya later 11:34:56 <eekee> bai! 11:36:38 *** Gekko [~Brendan@CPE-58-168-119-134.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:40:56 <Phazorx> lunar climate? 11:41:10 <Phazorx> no plains or combustion engine, 1/6th of gravity? 11:41:26 <Phazorx> and ability to throw cargo rather than transporting some tiles away :) 11:41:48 <mikegrb> just don't throw it too hard, might go into orbit 11:42:14 <Phazorx> ... and there is no water too as well as treess 11:42:34 <Phazorx> and instead of nlo crashing/disasters you get lunahod robbing your trains 11:42:49 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-127-103.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:42:53 <TheJosh> hey all 11:44:03 <Phazorx> hey 11:44:27 <eekee> hiyya 11:44:52 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:45:02 <eekee> Phazorx: :D I didn't think of throwing or lunahod, but ya! 11:45:34 <Phazorx> well it will be boring w/o it 11:45:57 <eekee> :P 11:46:07 <Phazorx> and instead of transmiter tower - appolo program remains and unremovable US banners 11:46:12 <eekee> You want to code the throwing transport then? :D 11:46:26 <Phazorx> actually i'd rather code something stats related 11:46:44 <Phazorx> similar to long forgotten stats patch 11:47:05 <eekee> fairy snuff 11:47:59 <Phazorx> i have a feelign industries will be scarce there tho 11:48:48 <mikegrb> a golf ball factory 11:49:03 <eekee> XD 11:49:13 <eekee> Phazorx: so should towns..... 11:49:21 <Ailure> hmm 11:49:32 <Ailure> imagine the industry chains 11:49:36 <Phazorx> why ? little grays are crawling all other the place there 11:49:41 <Ailure> if you had to include every minor industry in existance 11:49:42 <eekee> hehehe 11:49:48 <eekee> hehe Ailure 11:49:54 <Phazorx> i can see cheese mine being a part of some chain for sure btw :) 11:50:06 <eekee> pffff XD 11:50:27 <Phazorx> gotta give props to Mr Jules Verne 11:50:28 <TheJosh> hey i just did a svn update (to 10178) and it wont compile anymore 11:50:45 <eekee> ooh yum, blue brie 11:50:48 <Phazorx> heh that answers whether we want to test your patch btw :) 11:51:07 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:10 <eekee> ^^; 11:51:13 <TheJosh> no it was comipling before the update 11:51:44 <TheJosh> ill test with a vanilla build 11:52:49 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:52:56 <eekee> funny, I thought I grabbed 10179 with svn but it's reading as 10178 11:53:45 <TheJosh> there is a configure option to change that 11:54:07 <eekee> oh? 11:54:23 <TheJosh> now its compiling, but when i go to update the other one again, I get 'inconsistant newlines' so annoying 11:54:33 <TheJosh> ./configure -r i think 11:54:39 <eekee> ah, ty 11:54:43 <hylje> eekee: if the nightly revision is a commit elsewhere than trunk, trunk gets inconsistent revisions 11:54:52 <eekee> oic! 11:55:10 <TheJosh> all thorough it? its such a pain 11:55:12 <eekee> ah no big deal then 11:55:15 <hylje> eekee: compile farm sets the exact revision 11:55:20 <eekee> (not for me anyway) 11:55:23 <TheJosh> it only happens to my texteff.cpp 11:55:33 <hylje> and local copy gets it from svn, which thinks the trunk's rev is a bit lower 11:56:01 <eekee> hylje: I often play with a friend who compiles fron svn 11:56:20 <eekee> *from 11:56:26 <TrueBrain> [13:54] <hylje> eekee: if the nightly revision is a commit elsewhere than trunk, trunk gets inconsistent revisions <- what kind of gibberish are you talking? 11:56:40 <hylje> english 11:56:58 <eekee> svn-gibberish, I thought 11:57:43 <eekee> Made some sense to me, the svn counting revisions whether or not they're in trunk, but maybe I've only half thought it through 11:58:04 <TrueBrain> svn commits are global, no matter where they go 11:58:11 <TrueBrain> so it happens that 'trunk' skips revisions from time to time 11:58:18 <TrueBrain> but both 10179 and 10178 are in trunk 11:58:39 <TrueBrain> also, the make-system knwos about it, and uses the last revision that was a commit to the trunk 11:58:58 <eekee> Ah yes, what I thought was happening 11:58:59 <hylje> it appears make uses the revision as in svn info 11:59:05 <TrueBrain> (say, revision 1 and 3 are in trunk, but 2 and 4 are not, and you do a checkout, you get a compile with revision 3) 11:59:28 <eekee> yeah that's what I understood hylje's statement to mean 11:59:40 <TrueBrain> it has little to do with 'nightly revision' :s 11:59:42 <hylje> just as planned 12:00:12 <eekee> hehe 12:00:12 <hylje> TrueBrain: the revision that is picked in compile-farm 12:00:22 <TrueBrain> hylje: is always the latest version commited to the trunk 12:00:29 <TrueBrain> which is always the version you get when you do a checkout at the same time 12:02:09 <TrueBrain> in other words: if you tihnk you need to change the revision number manually, you did something wrong. 12:02:16 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl7-178-180.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 12:02:16 <hylje> well 12:03:24 <hylje> sometimes when i update to a revision (svn up), the default configure's perceived revision is not the same as the revision given to svn up 12:03:31 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-127-103.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 12:03:41 <eekee> heh, if you grab the source tarball from the nightlies page you have to set the revision manually. Why is that? 12:03:44 <TrueBrain> if you do not override the revision via configure, the make system always uses the right revision 12:03:55 <TrueBrain> eekee: as it isn't a SVN checkout ;) 12:04:01 <eekee> oh mew 12:04:05 <TrueBrain> hmm, we might be able to fix that though... 12:04:08 <eekee> ^^ 12:04:10 <hylje> magic! 12:04:15 <eekee> heheee 12:04:26 <TrueBrain> hmm, good one eekee 12:04:30 <eekee> ^^' 12:04:35 <peter1138> TrueBrain: then when somebody modifies it it won't show as M 12:04:43 <TrueBrain> peter1138: very true 12:04:53 <TrueBrain> so we might just want to postfix it with S or something 12:04:56 <TrueBrain> as in: source-tarball 12:05:00 <TrueBrain> so: opentd-r10101S 12:05:10 <TrueBrain> at least gives a tiny bit more info 12:05:11 <TrueBrain> hmm 12:05:13 <TrueBrain> no, useless 12:05:15 <TrueBrain> you are right :) 12:05:29 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-178-180.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:42 *** Digitalfox_ is now known as Digitalfox 12:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> it also won't show M if they force the revision... 12:09:00 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: but in that case they are informed about the risk they are taking 12:09:06 <TrueBrain> we can only advise people, never disallow it 12:09:25 <TrueBrain> (the nature of Open Source ;)) 12:11:10 <eekee> ^^' 12:12:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> for that case, you could create a checksum over all source files... if it does not match, add an M 12:12:38 <peter1138> heh 12:12:47 <peter1138> too much effort 12:14:04 *** Zr40_ [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:18:00 <Smoovious> as long as we're talking revisions... whenever I compiled with vc2005, via svn, althought I haven't tried to compile in the past month, it always came up norev000... where would I set the rev? 12:20:40 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:44 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:31 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:26:08 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:29:09 <eekee> that's odd... you know rail & monorail have sprites of just the track in \ / | _ directions? Where's the equivalent maglev junctions? 12:29:37 <hylje> missing 12:29:45 <Maedhros> no, just hard to see 12:29:54 <Maedhros> most of the maglev track is actually the ground tile 12:30:07 <hylje> :o 12:30:23 <Maedhros> the track itself is the black bars that go across the grey bit 12:31:05 <hylje> whoa 12:31:15 <eekee> yeah... 12:31:42 <eekee> I can't even find sprites for the black bars. *looks harder* 12:33:12 *** Zr40_ [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:04 <eekee> Ahuh! I think I have them 12:41:32 <eekee> yep: sprites 1169-1173 in trg1r 12:42:55 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:43:08 <eekee> ok brain derailed. I don't need the bars I need the track. *cuts out* 12:43:27 <hylje> derailed :o 12:44:29 <eekee> hehe 12:47:15 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 12:47:58 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:49:34 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0230.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 12:51:25 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:51:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:52:59 *** lolman_ [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:53:54 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:22 * eekee wonders whether to keep the ditches either side of maglev track or just lay the cut-out tracks on flat terrain for a slightly neater look 13:00:56 *** lolman_ [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:31 *** Gekko [~root@S010600e09103b7cd.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 13:18:05 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-77.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:22 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-211-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:30:00 <Gekko> loins! 13:30:24 <Gekko> whats new coming to openttd 13:30:26 <Gekko> ? 13:31:06 <Biff> naked girls 13:31:09 <dihedral> yay 13:31:18 <Gekko> oh rly? 13:31:27 <Gekko> on buses or what 13:31:29 <Gekko> :) 13:32:30 <Nickman> no, real naked girls ;) 13:32:32 <Nickman> in 32bpp 13:32:37 <dihedral> does autoclean_protected = 0 no protected companies get ignored, or their pass gets cleared right away? 13:32:45 <SmatZ> Naked Girls tileset 13:33:06 <dihedral> talking about 0.5.2 13:33:08 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-178-180.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 13:33:22 <Gekko> Nickman: :o 13:33:41 <Gekko> reaaaaaaaally? 13:34:22 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C55A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:34:45 <SmatZ> Gekko: the reason why this thread exists -> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=2083&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=4200 13:37:00 <Gekko> eh? 13:37:29 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.3 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 13:37:59 <SmatZ> nevermind, sometimes I try to be funny :( 13:40:16 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:40:56 <Gekko> lol 13:41:06 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60EE4.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:41:24 <Gekko> why dont we turn boat #'ds into trains? 13:41:37 <Gekko> ;screw boats xD 13:41:58 <Gekko> I <3 Trams. 13:42:18 <Gekko> it got hit by a train twice >.> 13:45:39 <eekee> trams you have to wait for the crashed one to go before letting it's clone leave the depot 13:46:04 <Gekko> why 13:46:48 <eekee> otherwise the clone will wait behind the crashed one until it clears... and then move onto the tracks regardless of whether there's a train on them or not! 13:47:02 <Gekko> haha 13:47:21 <eekee> wierd lol 13:47:37 <Gekko> take that serbian tram! 13:47:43 <eekee> boom! 13:48:07 <Gekko> any other tram grfs? 13:48:17 <Gekko> serbian angers the blood 13:48:36 <Gekko> slavic anglicised *shivers* 13:49:32 <eekee> there's a german set, and a UK set under construction 13:49:43 <Gekko> hmm 13:50:16 <Gekko> how hard is it to make a grf? 13:50:46 <Gekko> i'd make an aussie tram set if itt was ewasy 13:51:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> there's a tutorial on the ttdpatch wiki 13:52:04 <Gekko> that wasnt my question. 13:52:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is usually not hard to follow a tutorial :p 13:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> and no, it is not an answer to your question, but a hint on how you can answer it yourself... 13:54:41 <eekee> I followed that tutorial but used data from the Serbian set instead of the original, & made a couple other changes, came up with a refittable tram fairly easily. Took me time, & double-checking, but it wasn't hard as such 13:55:11 <Gekko> how long did it take? 13:55:56 <Gekko> my trams wil be green with the company stripe with medfium windows 13:56:08 <eekee> afternoon & evening, for one tram. This is starting from knowing nothing about trams 13:56:42 <Gekko> excellent 13:56:52 <eekee> ^^ 13:56:56 <Gekko> tomorrow, or 16 hours 13:57:03 <eekee> ^^ 13:57:05 <Gekko> i shall attempt. 13:57:15 <Gekko> linux for the win! 13:57:41 <Gekko> time to learn xara, mtpaint & gimp 14:00:18 <eekee> ^^ 14:00:43 <eekee> I'm using gimp, never even heard of the other 2. 14:01:46 <eekee> I don't think gimp's ideal for paletized art, but I don't know if pain programs that are would be any good for the saturation & contrast changes I'm making 14:07:19 *** vertigo [~vertigo@84-107-155-187.dsl.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:09:18 <Gekko> eekee: try mtpaint 14:09:23 <eekee> k 14:10:29 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:10:43 <eekee> Gekko: Does it have layers? Because they're, like, my modus operandii 14:11:40 <vertigo> Does someone know how to fix this "problem / bug" http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c103/vertigo117/hmmz.png 14:12:04 <Gekko> eekee: dunno, try it? 14:12:35 <eekee> mew, k 14:17:57 *** vertigo [~vertigo@84-107-155-187.dsl.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ciao!] 14:22:53 <eekee> ere, anybody know if 1/6th gravity would mean 1/6th the tractive effort, for ordinary rail locos? 14:23:59 <Gekko> ? 14:24:00 <Gekko> lol 14:25:35 <Phazorx> eekee: steem and disel wont work there btw 14:25:44 *** UserErr0r [asdf@c-67-186-213-72.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:25:54 <eekee> Phazorx: you don't say? :) 14:25:57 <Phazorx> and yes traction will be proportionaly smaller since friction is based on weight not mass 14:26:15 <Phazorx> eekee: i meant they should not :) 14:26:21 <eekee> :) 14:26:33 <eekee> hehe 14:26:46 <eekee> muclear-powered steam engine..... 14:26:58 <Phazorx> possible 14:27:02 <XeryusTC> Phazorx: most friction comes from air friction, not roll friction 14:27:05 <Phazorx> train crash would mean end of game tho 14:27:09 <XeryusTC> especially on the higher speeds 14:27:18 <Phazorx> XeryusTC: eh... traction effort? 14:27:21 <peter1138> heh, vertigo... 14:27:25 <peter1138> but they left :/ 14:27:36 <eekee> XeryusTC: if it wasn't for roll friction, the train couldn't flipping start moving :D 14:27:46 <Phazorx> and btw - another bonus 14:27:47 <eekee> it's /that/ friction we're talking about 14:27:47 <XeryusTC> eekee: barrings... 14:27:52 <Phazorx> no air no resistance 14:27:57 <eekee> I knoooooow! 14:28:11 <Gekko> eekee: put a tr_ain in a vacuum 14:28:15 <Phazorx> i meant that for XeryusTC as responce to his comment 14:28:21 <Gekko> test theories. 14:28:36 <Phazorx> actualy 14:28:44 <Phazorx> there will be tons of air like friction there 14:28:46 <eekee> oh sorry 14:28:47 <Phazorx> due to dust 14:29:10 <eekee> hmm, train vibration will kick up a bit.... 14:29:29 <Phazorx> so nice 'steam smoke' effect can be put to use even on mlevs 14:29:50 <Gekko> openttds 14:29:56 <Gekko> s4space 14:30:03 <eekee> do you think a mag-lev will kick up much? I'm thinking mag-levs will be used a lot since the lift is cheaper & ordinary rails so much less effective 14:30:09 <Gekko> trains to mars from earth lool. 14:30:36 <Phazorx> well ground vibration will raise dust 14:30:45 <Phazorx> wont matter what kind of poer source they use 14:30:51 <Phazorx> actualy 14:30:57 <Phazorx> mlev howvers right ? 14:31:17 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.77.166.225] has joined #openttd 14:31:43 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.77.166.225] has quit [] 14:32:02 <Phazorx> so theoretically there will be less physical dislocation of track in case of mlev 14:32:03 <eekee> yeah, but it's kept up & pulled along by magnets in the track as well as the train. 14:32:16 <eekee> Yeah, a little, but not much. 14:32:43 <Phazorx> problem is - 1/6 of gravity means dust coulds hang for hours/days 14:33:00 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-148-059.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 14:33:18 <Phazorx> oh yeah... ramps 14:33:58 <Phazorx> accelerating up will be same or harder issue, but maintaining sped will be 6 times easier 14:34:32 <Gekko> lol flight 14:34:37 <Gekko> from hills 14:34:54 <eekee> hahaha 14:35:55 <eekee> Will have to limit maglevs to below the lunar escape velocity.... actually no, we won't! The track could pull down as easily as up 14:36:06 <Gekko> lol 14:36:21 <eekee> (remember it pulls left-right automatically in a self-correcting way too) 14:37:07 <Phazorx> it will pull track as much up as train down 14:37:34 <SmatZ> you dont need planes, you can just throw the goods from one place to another 14:37:55 <Phazorx> and given amount of trains coopers games have - with some luck and resonance effect we can deorbit the moon :) 14:38:18 <eekee> XDDD 14:38:29 <Phazorx> SmatZ: from and throw path - no doubt 14:38:43 <Phazorx> however no one canceled mass along with gravity 14:38:56 <Phazorx> meaning goods will be a bit.... damaged on arrival 14:38:58 <eekee> :) 14:39:01 <Phazorx> desipte ease of takeoff :) 14:39:02 <SmatZ> :-) 14:39:37 <Gekko> Phazorx: no American spelling. 14:39:45 <eekee> ooh... mag-lev accellerator launched 'planes' 14:39:50 <Phazorx> american? 14:39:56 <Gekko> cancelled or nada :P 14:40:05 <eekee> The americans have sane spelling lol 14:40:15 <Gekko> nein. 14:40:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10199 /trunk/src/yapf/yapf_costrail.hpp: -Fix [FS#884, YAPF]: 'target_seen' flag that is set prematurely in some cases (1 tile long cached segment followed by target station) stops on assert (immeR) 14:40:43 <Phazorx> sorry, lack of sleep affects my brainpowered spellchecker 14:40:55 <Phazorx> and i rarely bother to correct mistakes anyway 14:40:57 * eekee is British, has to put up with arcane wierdness introduced by a franglophillic royalty over the last few hundreds of years 14:41:31 * Gekko is Australian, UK's alien offspring. 14:41:39 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 14:41:47 * Phazorx has excuse of being russian, and english being 3rd language :o) 14:41:55 <eekee> :) 14:42:48 <Gekko> liar! 14:43:07 <eekee> Oh my nephews became Australian citizens recently. Their dad was born there, but his family moved away when he was like, 1 month old, lol 14:43:51 <Gekko> owned. 14:44:00 <eekee> hehe 14:44:28 <Gekko> i was 3 when ttd came out >.> 14:44:40 <Gekko> 8 when i played dos version 14:44:48 <eekee> ^^ 14:44:56 <eekee> ever play toyland? 14:45:19 * eekee guesses no, or not for long <_<; 14:45:20 <Gekko> never. 14:45:23 <eekee> heh ^^ 14:45:29 <Gekko> so gay. 14:45:39 <Gekko> arctic <3 14:45:46 <eekee> ^^ 14:46:07 <eekee> Arctic.. tropical... didn't like temperate so much, the green gets on my nerves after a bit 14:46:09 <peter1138> heh 14:46:30 <eekee> or used to, I've got hardened to such things, lol 14:47:22 <Phazorx> stolen trees... thats's a one big reason to play temperate 14:47:23 <Gekko> green makes me angry. 14:50:07 <eekee> makes me feel a bit... sorta ill, especially in the shade that TTD temperate uses 14:50:49 <Gekko> lol 14:51:48 <eekee> Tropical's not so bad, but I still find I much prefer to look at the brown areas 14:54:14 <Gekko> me too :) 14:54:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> i hate the brown "grass" of arctic... 14:54:26 <Gekko> i love the farms 14:54:32 <Gekko> after i nuke em:: 14:55:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think we should get the alpine set supported... 14:55:44 <Gekko> supported? 14:55:56 <Gekko> wait alpine 14:55:58 <eekee> mmm, I find it a bit icky too 14:56:08 <Gekko> thats pure snow. 14:56:18 <eekee> heheh 14:57:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gekko: http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/alpineclimate.html 14:57:53 <Gekko> seen it i believe 14:58:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think it requires newindustries 14:58:50 <Gekko> cool. 14:58:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> and probably other stuff like varying snowline is not implemented 14:59:44 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:59:49 <peter1138> it is actually 15:00:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> cool... but it's just a minor feature :) 15:00:21 <Gekko> i need sleep nowe 15:00:29 <Gekko> ttyl guys b:) 15:00:32 <peter1138> yeah, and another one we stole ;p 15:00:34 <eekee> nite 15:01:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> why invent new features if there are still so many to steal :p 15:03:57 <eekee> :D 15:05:35 * eekee goes to research lunar dust 15:06:23 <eekee> oh btw, I think we should steal ttdpatch features :) I'm gettign jealous of their grf lol! 15:08:11 <Belugas> not steal. Honnour their work by implementing it. 15:08:14 <Belugas> looks better ;) 15:13:03 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4967.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:16 <eekee> Yeah :) 15:13:34 <skidd13> Is newgrf action5 type 09 supported? 15:13:53 <skidd13> aka one way road arrows? 15:14:00 <Maedhros> yup 15:15:22 <eekee> ooh 15:15:39 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:02 *** Mucht [~Mucht@87.160.196.188] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:20:18 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 15:29:30 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:42 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:33:26 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:40:29 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:47:56 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-148-059.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:48 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4967.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:30 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:57:49 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 15:59:09 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-178-180.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:59:36 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0EA65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:38 <Digitalfox> Hi everybody :) 16:01:54 <TrueBrain> hi Digitalfox 16:03:20 <Digitalfox> I'm starting a new game and some settings from 10199 are new to me, since I've been playing a savegame from the 95** revision and didn't update it since newgrf patch change ( caused me problems ).. What does "smooth viewport scrolling" does? Searched the wiki but it's not there yet.. 16:04:07 <TrueBrain> switch it on :) 16:04:28 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:05:00 <Digitalfox> TrueBrain: My idea was also to put the description on wiki, since it's not there :) 16:05:15 <TrueBrain> then ask peter1138 :) 16:05:25 <Digitalfox> But i'll try and see if i can understand what it does ;) 16:05:33 <TrueBrain> peter1138: 16:05:36 <TrueBrain> peter1138 is all knowing :) 16:05:44 <Digitalfox> yep :) 16:08:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D911.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:09:28 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:53 <Digitalfox> What is a good default service interval for aircraft when breakdown are disabled and my only care is accidents with aircraft? 16:10:06 <Digitalfox> 400 days? 16:10:11 <TrueBrain> 0 16:10:15 <Digitalfox> lol 16:10:18 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:10:53 <peter1138> no servicing is necessary if breakdowns are disabled 16:11:20 <izhirahider> Digitalfox, "smooth viewport scrolling": "deslocamento suave do ecrã quando usas o rato" 16:11:29 <izhirahider> now try to cramp that up into a translation, impossible 16:11:39 <Digitalfox> izhirahider: Oh ok :) Obrigado.. 16:15:05 <elmex> wow. i'm gone for one week and there is some weird bi-directional pbs floating around the wiki 16:15:35 <TrueBrain> the wiki has many things 16:15:41 <TrueBrain> is not really related to your not being here :) 16:20:40 <Digitalfox> but peter1138, aircraft reliability doesn't influence accidents?? I thought so... :\ 16:21:02 <Digitalfox> I thought the lower more accidents would occur. 16:22:54 <peter1138> nope, it's just random 16:23:25 <Digitalfox> oh ok, thanks for explaining :) 16:25:07 <Smoovious> and if breakdown are diabled, also look to see if servicing is also disabled 16:26:03 <peter1138> that's a patch option, yeah 16:28:18 *** skidd14 [~skidd13@p548A7339.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:23 *** skidd14 [~skidd13@p548A7339.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:28:32 *** skidd14 [~skidd13@p548A7339.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:36 *** skidd14 is now known as skidd13 16:35:25 <stillunknown> What was the shortcut for transparency options? 16:35:43 <glx> ctrl-x 16:37:46 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:43:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10200 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: add "shortcut" for !CmdFailed (CmdSucceeded). 16:43:54 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-225-171.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:44:30 <skidd13> Do one way arrows affect trams? 16:45:22 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-225-171.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 16:45:27 <Maedhros> skidd13: no 16:46:35 <stillunknown> By design? 16:46:43 <stillunknown> Or just happens to be that way. 16:46:43 <skidd13> I wonderd cause arrows on rail crossings are permitted but on tram crossings allowed. 16:47:06 <stillunknown> permitted == allowed 16:47:21 <stillunknown> You're missing a not somewhere ;-) 16:47:27 <skidd13> ups. permitted -> not allowed 16:48:20 <Maedhros> they're ignored by design 16:48:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host74-62-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:49:14 <Wolf01> hello 16:52:11 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:53:53 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:56 *** maddy [~maddy@88-136-244-96.adslgp.cegetel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:28 <Wolf01> ok, again at work at brickland! 16:58:44 <stillunknown> brickland is? 16:59:03 <peter1138> Wolf01's 32bpp toyland replacement 17:00:10 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60EE4.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 17:01:24 <stillunknown> But toyland is already perfect. 17:01:44 <peter1138> alright 17:01:47 <stillunknown> Perfectly broken that is ;-) 17:01:54 <peter1138> Wolf01's new 32bpp landscape 17:02:18 <Wolf01> and houses and vehicles... 17:04:19 *** HMage [hmage@89-178-33-50.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:36 <TrueBrain> I wonder if he can get it finished, would be fun :) 17:13:17 <Wolf01> eh, if i can finish the landscape i think i can finish the whole project 17:13:23 <Wolf01> doesn't matter how much time 17:13:28 <Wolf01> i take 17:17:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:18:41 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-64-30.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:19:45 <dihedral> TrueBrain: nearly got the openttdlib php class ready 17:19:59 <Noldo> phplib? 17:20:20 <dihedral> a class to query your server and get back stats, like the masterserver does 17:20:34 <dihedral> i.e. for your own website 17:21:26 * Rubidium is always going to like the C++ variant because that has a maintainability cost of about 0 :) 17:22:14 * dihedral does not know c++ to be pleasing Rubidium in such a way :-P 17:23:01 <dihedral> and as it was php before it was given to me, i am mainly doing a tidy up job 17:23:29 <dihedral> besides it had already been removed from svn when i started working on it 17:24:16 <dihedral> + a c++ variant could be a little more tricky to include in webpages :-P 17:25:47 *** HMage [hmage@89-178-34-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:26:13 <Rubidium> dihedral: true, but the C++ has free maintainability; *if* you change the network game server querying protocol, the C++ variant only needs a svn up && make 17:26:30 <TrueBrain> but the need for a PHP lib is understandable 17:26:38 <TrueBrain> as not everyone can run a C++ application on his webhost ;) 17:26:50 <Rubidium> true, very true 17:27:17 <Rubidium> I've got nothing against the phplib, it's just that I like the C++ one because of maintainability 17:27:19 <hylje> if people ran python on their webhosts you could have c++ libs for them 17:27:36 <hylje> but no, you got php D: 17:28:33 <Sacro> how do you stop nightlies from using My Documents? 17:28:53 <hylje> you dont? 17:28:59 <Sacro> well thats just stupid 17:29:08 <glx> Sacro: you get the next nightly :) 17:29:33 <Sacro> and can i use 32bpp graphics now? 17:30:13 <Sacro> and how do i add a load of grfs in1 go... 17:32:28 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7339.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:36:19 <stillunknown> sacro: yes and not sure if that's possible yet 17:39:56 <peter1138> 1) yes, 2) edit yer config ;) 17:40:02 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79adc.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:40:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:57:48 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 17:58:06 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.93] has joined #openttd 17:58:48 <Wolf01> omg... Ubuntu passed the Windows Genuine Advantage 18:01:51 <Digitalfox> When using New terrain graphics " http://www.tt-forums.net/download.php?id=67697 " i have this bug when building bridges " http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/Digitalfox/TrontfingfieldTransport4thJan2049.png " Is this openttd bug or set bug coding? :\ 18:02:33 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 18:02:33 <UnderBuilder> !logs 18:02:57 <Rubidium> looks like a newgrf bug 18:03:12 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C55A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:03:37 <Digitalfox> That screenshot is from build r10199.. 18:04:00 <Sacro> Wolf01: i passed WGA in ArchLinux months ago 18:04:10 <Digitalfox> Rubidium: Should i post at Flyspray? 18:04:28 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B83E15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:42 <peter1138> test it in ttdpatch 18:04:51 <peter1138> if it still does it, bug the author :) 18:05:26 <Rubidium> Digitalfox: a bug in the newgrf 18:05:33 <Digitalfox> ok 18:05:46 <Rubidium> but, test in ttdp to be sure 18:06:24 <Digitalfox> I don't have a patch installation, so i will try to ask somebody :) 18:06:27 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B8375C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:16:44 <Wolf01> is better to have corner tiles with the diagonal side cut or stepped? 18:18:59 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-43-244.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:12 *** boekabart [~bdb@e215192.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:22:15 *** boekabart [~bdb@e215192.upc-e.chello.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:31:57 <hylje> d'ya think fallout3 engine allows for trains? 18:33:09 <|Jeroen|> when will the copy and past thingy be included in trunk ? 18:33:28 <Smoovious> when people stop pestering about it? :P 18:33:43 <|Jeroen|> but it's so sweet 18:35:09 <Biff> what copy and paste thingy? 18:36:25 <|Jeroen|> the one that is in miniin 18:36:28 <eekee> copypasta! 18:37:01 <|Jeroen|> real easy to re use crossings and stuff 18:37:17 <Digitalfox> Well i just tested the new terrain grf with the last patch nightly and the bug is there also, so is a problem from the grf 18:38:19 <Biff> ah 18:38:21 <Biff> cool 18:39:24 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C55A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:39:42 <Belugas> i kinda remember the copy/paste was not accepted because it makes the game to easy. But... maybe opinions have changed since then. 18:40:01 <Belugas> I will not use it myself, for the record... 18:40:27 <peter1138> me neither 18:40:30 <eekee> I never make the same junction twice anyway, unless it's =X= 18:40:36 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C55A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:24 <peter1138> was it actually copy & paste or just copy-this-bit-to-here? 18:42:48 <Belugas> iirc, the whole area is copied. can even be saved 18:42:58 <Belugas> and reapplied later 18:43:02 <Belugas> but i can be wrong 18:44:40 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/lego/brick_slopes.PNG <- what do you think is better, the upper corner or the bottom corner? 18:44:45 <Wolf01> hello Belugas :D 18:44:45 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60EE4.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 18:44:56 <Belugas> hello Wolf01 :) 18:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r10201 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Replace Blitter::SetHorizontalLine with Blitter::DrawRect, as the former was only used by the rectangle drawing code anyway. This lets us draw rectangles in one go. 18:46:31 <eekee> Wolf01: bottom corner 18:47:12 <Nickman> yeah Wolf01, the bottem one 18:49:35 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 18:51:40 <Wolf01> uhm, i made a little mistake with studs, is better now: http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/lego/brick_slopes.PNG 18:51:57 <Wolf01> (the upper one) 18:52:28 <Bjarni> ohh, a toyland that's actually a toyland :) 18:53:47 <Smoovious> Toys-R-Us toys, or Helga's House of Pain toys? 18:54:04 <hylje> candyland 18:56:51 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:15 * eekee doesn't want to /imagine/ a Helga's House of Pain grf XD; 18:57:20 <hylje> :o 18:57:31 <hylje> naughty ttd 18:57:45 <eekee> I have firends who are into that kinda stuff. Scares me, lol 19:04:54 *** [BiG^BrotheR] [~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253] has joined #openttd 19:05:53 <Smoovious> like... the gas ships, with the spherical tanks on it... a repaint would be perfect for them shipping silicone to breast implant factories... make them look like breasts with a nipple on top 19:06:16 <hylje> D: 19:07:14 <eekee> ohhhhhhhhh D: 19:09:38 <peter1138> :o 19:09:52 <peter1138> there are children here you know 19:09:57 <peter1138> like bjarni 19:10:01 <Wolf01> and me 19:10:50 <Bjarni> breasts, boobs and similar words are too strong for Sacro, you know 19:11:01 <hylje> its not like children have not seen nipples 19:11:10 <hylje> chances are they have used them too 19:11:25 <Bjarni> even touched them? 19:11:49 <Bjarni> chances are that children has seen nipples in real life more recently than some people in here :P 19:13:25 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip128.cab56.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:13:29 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip128.cab56.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:27 <eekee> hehehe 19:16:08 *** eJoJ [~opera@89.10.21.163] has joined #openttd 19:19:23 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 19:22:23 *** Sug [~graeme@88-104-40-86.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:26:02 <Wolf01> is somewhere a list of sprites with their number? 19:26:18 <peter1138> decode the trg files 19:26:45 <peter1138> in the big pcx with the sprites there are also numbers next to each sprite 19:26:49 <Wolf01> that's what i'm trying to dodge ;) 19:27:16 <TrueBrain> I am working on a website which lists them all 19:27:19 <TrueBrain> only takes a bit of time 19:27:45 <peter1138> hmm 19:28:16 <TrueBrain> there are 8060 images (including the grfs distributed with OpenTTD) 19:28:17 <Sacro> breasts? 19:30:38 <Nickman> how are things coming TrueBrain? :) 19:31:04 <TrueBrain> slowly 19:31:06 <TrueBrain> little time 19:31:50 <stillunknown> TrueBrain: exams? 19:32:26 <TrueBrain> no 19:32:34 <TrueBrain> more the problem is my mood :) 19:32:45 <TrueBrain> too much in love, too much already packing my shit to go on a holiday 19:33:18 <stillunknown> I hope you get well soon. 19:33:34 <TrueBrain> perfectly well, but tnx :) 19:33:53 <stillunknown> love != well 19:34:04 <eekee> hehe 19:34:21 <peter1138> get married 19:34:25 <peter1138> then you'll get over it ;) 19:34:28 <TrueBrain> :p 19:34:39 <eekee> Sacro: in the Mars conversion set extra, yeah 19:34:59 <peter1138> did george do that set by any chance? 19:35:41 <eekee> not a clue 19:37:36 <Wolf01> ok, if now i want to see how my graphics look ingame, what i must do? 19:37:49 <TrueBrain> read docs/32bpp.txt most likely 19:37:50 <peter1138> read the documentation ;) 19:37:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10202 /branches/32bpp/: [32bpp] -Remove: removed the 32bpp branch, as it is outdated now (32bpp support is in trunk) Tnx to egladil and all others who worked on this for their hard work, it was priceless! 19:38:31 <UnderBuilder> see you again 32bpp branch :) 19:38:37 <peter1138> never! 19:38:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10203 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: more moving things to blitter-layer: DrawLine 19:39:15 <Wolf01> uhm. i don't have the 32bpp.txt file in the docs folder 19:39:27 <TrueBrain> check SVN 19:39:32 <Wolf01> why not include it in nightlies? 19:40:01 <TrueBrain> because someone needs to update the script for it 19:40:06 <TrueBrain> I guess that person is slightly lazy 19:40:54 <Nickman> who is that person? ;) 19:42:51 <TrueBrain> nuff said 19:43:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10204 /trunk/Makefile.in: -Fix: copy docs/32bpp.txt at 'make bundle' 19:44:40 <Wolf01> uhm, i made: data\sprites\trgtr\number.png but seem to happen nothing 19:44:56 <TrueBrain> a) did you start the 32bpp blitter? 19:45:00 <TrueBrain> b) did you put in a real number for 'number'? 19:45:13 <Wolf01> maybe i need to start the blitter 19:45:21 <glx> -b something 19:45:26 <TrueBrain> -b 32bpp-simple 19:45:27 <Wolf01> the number i put is the sprite id 19:45:41 <glx> looks right 19:45:43 <TrueBrain> the sprite number as it comes in the grf I hope :) 19:46:17 <TrueBrain> so < 1194 for toyland :) 19:46:21 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2213 19:46:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host74-62-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:46:50 *** DreaM[BrB] [~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253] has joined #openttd 19:49:30 <Wolf01> ok, now they appear 19:51:01 <peter1138> \o/ 19:51:43 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:51:57 *** Darkness12 [~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253] has joined #openttd 19:53:01 *** [BiG^BrotheR] [~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:02 <glx> Wolf01: you set offsets using pngcodec ? 19:53:29 *** Guest2213 [~wolf01@host74-62-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:58 <Wolf01> no 19:54:11 <Wolf01> i only tried if they get loaded 19:54:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10205 /trunk/src/ (37 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: refactor returning of cost, so it can be more easily modified. 19:54:31 <Wolf01> there's a binary of pngcodec? 19:55:23 <glx> I saw a zip on the forum 19:55:26 *** DreaM[BrB] [~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:49 <peter1138> beware, most image editors will remove the offsets 19:58:00 <peter1138> so if you make a change you'll need to reapply them 19:58:11 <Nickman> so Wolf01, looking good or not those lego blocks? :D 19:58:42 <Wolf01> eh, i'm trying to compile pngcodec, but it exits as soon i start it 19:59:01 <Wolf01> and i need to put a "transparent" color for the sprites 19:59:05 <Nickman> ouch 19:59:26 <Nickman> well, if you get it working, be sure to post some screens ;) 19:59:31 <glx> Wolf01: you type make? 19:59:39 <Wolf01> yes 19:59:44 <glx> try make.exe 20:00:02 <peter1138> Wolf01: it's png, it has an alpha layer, not a transparent colour 20:01:32 <Wolf01> glx, doesn't work too 20:01:46 <Wolf01> i'm making it with msys 20:02:12 <glx> hmm rename/remove make.bat and retry 20:03:34 <Wolf01> no binaries now :/ 20:05:07 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@5ac91a0b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:05:11 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:17 *** Tefad_ [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:22 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.93] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050922]] 20:08:24 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 20:08:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10206 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: more moving things to blitter-layer: ScrollBuffer 20:09:50 <Wolf01> mmh i can't set the transparency with graphics gale... 20:13:02 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C55A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:15:19 <Wolf01> looks cool also without offsets 20:15:27 <Wolf01> at least the plain terrain 20:16:50 <peter1138> add transparency, select area to be transparent, cut it 20:16:59 <peter1138> though that depends on the editor, i suppose 20:17:10 <Wolf01> yes is what i just done with photoshop 20:20:52 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 20:21:35 <stillunknown> Is it possible to make catenaries completely invisible? 20:21:57 <Wolf01> yes 20:22:31 <ln-> but then birds and insects will hit them. 20:22:50 <AntB> electri-fried birdie.... 20:23:06 <Wolf01> what about invisible trees then? 20:23:51 <AntB> floating birds nests, you just gotta hope they don't need to go 20:23:53 *** re06011988 [~RE0601198@ADijon-152-1-34-64.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:24:00 <AntB> if you get what I mean 20:24:26 *** glx is now known as Guest2216 20:24:26 *** glx|away is now known as glx 20:27:16 <stillunknown> Wolf01: how? 20:27:48 <Wolf01> there is a line to add in trees_cmd.cpp and a variable 20:28:27 <Wolf01> and a patch option if you don't want to use my method to toggle the invisibility directly on the tranparency gui :P 20:28:54 *** Guest2216 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:06 *** boekabart [~bdb@e215192.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:29:16 <boekabart> Eddi|zuHause2: How do you translate 'during' to german? 20:29:24 <boekabart> (or another native German speaker) 20:29:58 <boekabart> 'dauerend' ?? 20:30:27 <stillunknown> Wolf01: So the default game doesn't offer this option? 20:30:36 <Wolf01> no 20:30:39 <Progman> 'w?hrend', but what is the whole context? 20:31:13 <peter1138> you could just diable elrails 20:31:18 <boekabart> 'the history of Firm X during five generations' 20:32:03 <Progman> 'Die Geschichte von Firm X ?ber f?nf Generationen' 20:32:21 <boekabart> Progman: danke schoen! 20:32:38 <Progman> whatever Firm X is ;) 20:33:02 <boekabart> stimmt.. Krupp in this case 20:33:45 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:35:39 <SmatZ> funny, when OTTD crashes, music keep playing :) 20:35:58 <SmatZ> but often, music doesn't even start - it starts just when I quit the game 20:36:06 <SmatZ> I am using Linux, amd64 20:36:13 <peter1138> yeah, timidity sucks 20:36:30 <peter1138> it's probably waiting for sdl to release /dev/dsp or whatever 20:36:51 <dihedral> hey guys 20:36:52 <SmatZ> aha, I hoped there is a solution :( 20:36:58 <dihedral> could i pop in a question? 20:37:28 <dihedral> regarding the phplib i am working on 20:37:57 <Rubidium> dihedral: didn't you already presented the question? 20:38:06 <Rubidium> s/the/a/ 20:38:07 <dihedral> sending PACKET_UDP_CLIENT_DETAIL_INFO (2 if i am not mistaken) is not getting processed by 0.5.2 but is by trunk 20:38:25 <SmatZ> Sir, may I have a question, Sir? :-) 20:38:31 <dihedral> nope 20:38:36 <dihedral> and you may call me dihedral 20:38:40 <dihedral> :-) 20:39:23 <dihedral> i mean: there is not even a debug message saying the the ip sent in a query 20:39:28 *** boekabart [~bdb@e215192.upc-e.chello.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:39:32 <dihedral> -the 20:39:43 <dihedral> any ideas anybody? 20:39:49 <Rubidium> 0.5.2 should process them too 20:39:57 <dihedral> that's what i though 20:39:59 <dihedral> +t 20:40:03 <Rubidium> the network protocol hasn't changed since 0.5 20:40:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:31 <Rubidium> and 0.5 isn't very generous about debug-logging incoming packets 20:40:55 <dihedral> do i have to send additional data, i.e. which client i want info for? as far as i understood the code, it send details regarding all players and clients 20:41:12 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/lego/trgtr.zip if there's somebody who can try them ingame, they need the offsets, i seem to have some problems 20:43:01 *** boekabar1 [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 20:43:04 *** boekabar1 [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has left #openttd [] 20:43:32 <peter1138> well, set the offsets? 20:43:44 <Wolf01> i cant :( 20:43:59 <dihedral> Rubidium: when sending PACKET_UDP_CLIENT_FIND_SERVER every thing works as expected, on both 20:44:43 <dihedral> 0.5.2 and trunk 20:45:02 <dihedral> just not when sending PACKET_UDP_CLIENT_DETAIL_INFO 20:45:24 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46:07 <Rubidium> yes, and the detail stuff seems to work on 0.5.2 (in game) too 20:46:15 <dihedral> i know 20:46:21 <dihedral> that is what i dont understand 20:47:05 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:47:13 <dihedral> unless it were tcp connections fetching that data in 0.5.2 but i doubt that were the case 20:48:04 <Rubidium> nothing changed since 0.5, except a rewrite that made trunk more strict about the port the queries could be done on 20:48:23 <dihedral> odd 20:48:36 <dihedral> anyhow i can increase verbosity? 20:48:43 <Rubidium> -d net=9 20:48:56 <dihedral> oh - i though it only went up to 6 20:48:58 <Rubidium> and that's all you're ever going to get without modifying the code 20:49:11 <dihedral> well ... then i shall modify the code :-D 20:49:37 <dihedral> thanks though :-) 20:49:41 <Rubidium> trunk gives more info IIRC, but then again that isn't the one causing the trouble 20:51:50 <peter1138> Wolf01: nice ;) 20:51:58 <Wolf01> screenshot? XD 20:52:24 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/trgtr.zip 20:58:40 <Wolf01> ok, it look very good 20:58:53 *** AntB_ [~AntB-UK@5ac91a0b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:58:54 <Rubidium> screenshot? XD 21:00:01 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/lego/brickland.png 21:00:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10207 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove the redundant player_money in favour of the money64, which is now renamed to player_money. 21:01:01 *** AntB_ [~AntB-UK@5ac91a0b.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 21:01:28 *** AntB_ [~AntB-UK@5ac91a0b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:01:30 <Rubidium> looks less nasty that the original "background" 21:02:28 <Belugas> :D 21:02:43 <Belugas> funny vision ! 21:02:47 <Belugas> good job 21:03:25 <Belugas> if i may, maybe the slope tile could be a little darker, as the illusion of the slope is not really enforced. 21:03:30 <Belugas> personnal opinion 21:04:31 <Wolf01> yes, when i'll finish all the slopes i'll add some light effects 21:04:33 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@5ac91a0b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:39 *** AntB_ is now known as AntB 21:05:14 <Belugas> congratulations 21:05:22 <Belugas> and i'm off for the day 21:05:23 <Belugas> bye bye 21:05:24 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:06:01 <Belugas> night all 21:06:03 <Belugas> gone 21:06:18 <Wolf01> night 21:06:37 <Nickman> Wolf01, there seems to be something wrong with the "buttons" at the outer side of the tiles 21:06:45 <Nickman> ther seem much more compressed then the inner ones 21:06:50 <Nickman> creating some sort of grid 21:07:05 <Nickman> or is this your intention? 21:07:54 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-25-181.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 21:08:03 <Wolf01> it is not my intention but i can't do it better, at least for now ;) 21:10:23 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-125-223-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 21:10:24 <Nickman> :D 21:10:25 *** AntB_ [~AntB-UK@5ac340d5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:10:38 <Nickman> I think you need to move those outer a bit more to the center, about one pixel or so :D 21:11:34 <stillunknown> Do arctic cities (in the valley) eventually refuse food as they grow? 21:12:10 <Wolf01> i'll continue it tomorrow, now i must have some sleep, night everybody :) 21:12:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host74-62-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:13:43 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@5ac91a0b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:52 *** AntB_ is now known as AntB 21:14:39 <dihedral> Rubidium: quite odd, my running games dont respond, but a just compiled version did... 21:17:30 <dihedral> i just restarted one of my games, and that now responds... 21:18:26 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6DC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:19:10 <Nickman> how come the "cntr + d" isn't available anymore? 21:19:13 <dihedral> some sort of difference when a game was running for a few days and a just started server? 21:20:34 <skidd13> XeryusTC: I updated the sprited for the US one way. Better? 21:20:47 <XeryusTC> ill look later 21:20:57 <XeryusTC> watching anime atm :P 21:21:10 <Rubidium> dihedral: what os? 21:21:31 <Rubidium> hmm, probably linux right? 21:21:39 <stillunknown> Nickman: What should that do? 21:21:52 <Nickman> isn't it suposed to double the zoom? 21:21:56 <Nickman> or am i wrong? :D 21:23:02 *** [BiG^BrotheR] [~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253] has joined #openttd 21:27:23 <dihedral> linux 21:27:25 <dihedral> yes 21:27:46 <Rubidium> strange 21:28:01 <Rubidium> and from in-game it did work correctly on the "old" servers 21:29:46 *** Darkness12 [~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:24 *** Darkness12 [~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253] has joined #openttd 21:32:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Nickman> how come the "cntr + d" isn't available anymore? <- it conflicted with the new blitter code 21:32:31 <dihedral> yes 21:32:36 <dihedral> ingame nothing is odd 21:32:46 <Nickman> ah, thought something like that Eddi|zuHause2 ;) thx 21:33:52 <peter1138> 3 21:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> !openttd commit r10121 21:34:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> !openttd commit 10121 21:34:32 <_42_> Commit by truelight :: r10121 /trunk/ (38 files in 6 dirs) (2007-06-12 20:24:12 UTC) 21:34:32 <skidd13> can the default blitter be choosen by configure? 21:34:35 <_42_> -Codechange: split renderer from rest of code; no longer any code directly accesses the video-buffer 21:34:37 <_42_> -Add: added NULL blitter and renderer, which are always used for -vnull 21:34:39 <_42_> -Add: dedicated driver doesn't blit nor render by default. Can be overruled by user. (-D -b 8bpp-optimized) 21:34:41 <_42_> -Remove: removed CTRL+D from win32, which is incompatible with above 21:34:42 <_42_> -Add: extended screenshot support for PNG and BMP 21:34:44 <_42_> (...) (truncated) 21:35:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> skidd13: make a "wrapper script" :) 21:35:57 <Rubidium> export OPENTTD_ARGS="-b 32bpp" in your .bashrc 21:36:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> i remember in DOS you could make a globle variable containing default command line options for certain programs 21:36:24 <skidd13> export should work 21:37:26 *** [BiG^BrotheR] [~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:32 <skidd13> !openttd commit HEAD 21:38:05 <skidd13> !openttd revison 21:38:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> without HEAD 21:38:11 <Rubidium> skidd13: just join #openttd.notice and the latest revision is in the topic 21:38:54 <skidd13> Ahh 21:43:28 <stillunknown> An alias is a possibility as well. 21:44:17 <Rubidium> oh, OPENTTD_ARGS only works with make run and make run-gdb by the way 21:44:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10208 /trunk/src/ (16 files): -Codechange: replace int32 with Money where appropriate. 21:46:02 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:46:18 <stillunknown> Rubidium: An alias is a possibility as well. 21:46:44 <Rubidium> you already said that, however an alias doesn't really help with make run 21:48:56 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60EE4.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:57 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:50:28 <skidd13> If I use the alias I need to specify the configfile else my newgrf's are missing 21:58:08 *** eJoJ [~opera@89.10.21.163] has left #openttd [] 21:58:15 <XeryusTC> skidd13: the new graphics are beter :) 21:58:35 <skidd13> :) Hope they get coded 21:59:51 <stillunknown> There are some practicality issues with 32bpp atm, but at least people can get started. 22:01:56 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:38 <SmatZ> Hello, I am trying to solve bug http://bugs.openttd.org/task/119 - is there anyone I could ask about some things? 22:02:53 <SmatZ> especially track fences 22:05:16 <dihedral> Rubidium: i think i may have a thought on why this is failing 22:05:29 <dihedral> but i am not sure :-) 22:06:04 <dihedral> could it be the client id? 22:06:28 <dihedral> in r9719 this was updated from uint8 to uint16 for private messaging 22:06:52 <stillunknown> SmatZ: most of the main devs are probably asleep 22:07:17 <dihedral> forget it 22:07:21 <dihedral> never said a thing 22:07:59 <Rubidium> dihedral: then it shouldn't work in trunk either 22:08:04 *** oxygene_ [~oxygene@p50806FF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Schneuz ihn dir kräftig, schneuz ihn dir hart] 22:08:17 <dihedral> yep 22:08:24 <Rubidium> SmatZ: well, I'm still awake, but quite busy finishing some patches 22:08:32 <dihedral> and then it should not work ingame either 22:08:33 <Rubidium> but I guess I can answer a few questions in between 22:08:56 <dihedral> though - if it works on a freshly started 0.5.2... i have not tried it with a trunk game running for a few days 22:09:14 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@5ac340d5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]] 22:10:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10209 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp economy.h variables.h): -Fix/Codechange: forgot a few changes of int32 -> Money in the previous commit 22:11:27 <skidd13> make after "./configure CC=gcc-4.2 CXX=gcc-4.2 CFLAGS=-O3 LDFLAGS=-O3" wont compile. If I run a bare configure before and start make, abort it and do the configure then it work 22:11:44 <SmatZ> Rubidium: ok, I will ask tommorow, will try to solve it by myself :) 22:11:54 <peter1138> -O3 is not valid for LDFLAGS 22:12:06 <peter1138> is it? 22:12:43 <skidd13> should be, but leaf it blank does not solve it. 22:13:11 <skidd13> gcc-4.2 -I /home/skidd13/src/ottd_src/objs/lang /home/skidd13/src/ottd_src/src/endian_check.cpp -o endian_check 22:13:11 <skidd13> /tmp/cc0Iv8rZ.o:(.eh_frame+0x11): undefined reference to `__gxx_personality_v0' 22:13:47 <peter1138> oh 22:13:55 <peter1138> yes, gcc is not g++ 22:14:05 <Rubidium> compiling c++ with gcc fails in that way 22:14:22 <skidd13> ups.. sure 22:15:03 <skidd13> but why it does when I start a unadapted make before. 22:16:38 <peter1138> what? 22:16:56 <skidd13> "gcc-4.2 -O3 -DUNIX -DWITH_REV -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -W...." compiles successfull 22:17:27 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 22:17:38 <peter1138> just tell it to use g++ 22:17:58 <skidd13> sure, but why it compiles right wth gcc. 22:18:23 <peter1138> what? 22:18:31 <peter1138> you just pasted an error that shows it doesn't 22:20:45 <glx> skidd13: CXX=gcc-4.2 <-- try CXX=g++-4.2 22:20:45 <skidd13> if you do just the "./configure CC=...", it works if you do "./configure" then make (Abort it after the first cpp starts to compile) then run "./configure CC=..." and after that make and it compiles too. Strange 22:20:59 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-121-209-210-246.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:59 <skidd13> glx: I know 22:22:32 <skidd13> Never mind! I was irretated that It compiles with gcc too after I did it the way I described. 22:22:42 *** re06011988 [~RE0601198@ADijon-152-1-34-64.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:25:55 <SmatZ> I solved the problem - DrawCatenary() changes the offset while track is at a foundation 22:26:01 <Rubidium> oh, you compiled the first object with g++ and then tried to link with gcc 22:26:59 <skidd13> nope I compiled the first .o then break, and compiled and linked the rest with gcc and it works too. 22:27:55 <skidd13> not by intention, just a coincidence. that I noticed. 22:29:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:30:42 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:31:05 <Rubidium> SmatZ: nice, so all issues you've found are solved now? 22:32:03 <Rubidium> any idea whether the new sprite sorting algorithm uses way more CPU? Or does it still not really show up on profilings? 22:33:15 <skidd13> whic one 22:36:29 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6DC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:38:43 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:04 <SmatZ> Rubidium: all I have encountered :) 22:40:15 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 22:40:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 22:41:39 <Rubidium> do the trees still need to be uncombined, or is that "issue" already solved by the other changes to the sprite sorter? 22:43:00 <SmatZ> Rubidium: i will look at it 22:43:10 <SmatZ> problem is that it is way slower :( 22:43:34 <Rubidium> sorting combined the sprites is lower than uncombined sprites? 22:45:44 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-25-181.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:52 <SmatZ> I changed only the ViewportSortParentSprites() functions 22:47:22 <SmatZ> I see... 22:47:59 <SmatZ> the algorithm doesn't care if sprite is combined 22:50:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10210 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: make all money related variables 64 bits, so overflowing them should become a little harder. 23:01:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r10211 /trunk/ (16 files in 4 dirs): -Feature: [NewGRF] Add support for action 0F 23:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> i really hate that kind of commit message... 23:04:09 <glx> why? 23:04:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> because it tells you absolutely nothing if you do not know newgrf by heart 23:04:42 <glx> townname generators 23:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> see... "townname generator" is much more descriptive than "action 0F" 23:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> why not place that in the message, too? 23:05:37 <glx> too easy :D 23:08:17 <SmatZ> Rubidium: the trees cannot be combined, it causes problems :( 23:08:48 <Rubidium> ok 23:09:39 <Digitalfox> glx: Looking at the new code commit 10211 has, you had quite a work :| 23:12:12 *** [BiG^BrotheR] [~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253] has joined #openttd 23:13:09 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-211-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]] 23:15:10 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-178-180.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving this computer] 23:18:12 *** Darkness12 [~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 23:19:35 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:19:43 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:19:52 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has quit [] 23:25:05 *** Frostregen__ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-151-167.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:25:25 *** Frostregen__ is now known as Frostregen_ 23:28:26 *** SmatZ [~root@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D911.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:30 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-178-180.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:31:50 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-148-059.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:32:15 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:38:01 *** SmatZ [~root@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 23:57:39 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79adc.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving]