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00:03:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> templates are fun 00:04:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> if classes are runtime virtualisation, templates are compiletime virtualisation 00:05:35 <BamBam> For all people who loved the signalGUI patch, i've updated it to r10419: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25804 00:05:39 *** smoovi [~smoovi@dslb-088-073-099-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: #idlerpg] 00:12:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10423 /trunk/src/yapf/yapf_costrail.hpp: -Fix [YAPF, r10301]: INVALID_TRACKDIR causing buffer overrun leading to desync in MP game (many thanks Rubidium) 00:18:19 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 00:22:12 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-137-25.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:25:02 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-16.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:34:00 <Smoovious> here 00:34:44 <BamBam> ? there 00:49:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r10424 /trunk/src/table/build_industry.h: 00:49:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix : Toy shop seems to be working exactly like power stations, water tower and banks, i.e: they require cargo but do nothing with it. 00:49:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: So, make it an INDUSTRYLIFE_BLACK_HOLE, exactly like the above mentioned industries. 00:49:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Thanks to glx who spotted, and Csaboka who confirmed it could very well be a CS bug. 00:53:10 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 00:53:44 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:54:39 <Sacro> hey Smoovious 00:54:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r10425 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r10418): do not compare bitmasks with HASBIT. Strike two. Forgotten code :) 00:57:21 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB7EA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 01:02:30 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-176-154.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:21:04 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21:19 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:25:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:28:24 <Smoovious> ya 01:28:52 <Sacro> newsignals! 01:29:00 <Smoovious> and? 01:29:20 <Sacro> errr,,, 01:29:23 * Sacro shrugs 01:29:42 * Smoovious grins. 01:31:08 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B757AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:34:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r10426 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Codechange: Activate the reset of industry/tiles mapping upon initialization or new game. 01:37:37 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7594B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:53:01 *** benc_ [~benc_@va-71-53-204-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #openttd [] 02:14:58 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:39 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 02:29:39 <Sacro> !logs 02:29:58 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:30:15 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:35:57 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:36:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10427 /trunk/src/misc/str.hpp: -Fix: snprintf behaves differently in gcc than in VC causing unreadable artifacts in output. Now CStrT::AddFormatL() should behave correctly also when compiled by gcc (Rubidium) 02:37:31 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:38:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10428 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix: some more VC code analyzer warnings disabled 02:44:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10429 /trunk/src/rail.h: -Fix: VC8 Code Analyzer warning: buffer overrun 02:58:28 *** sHELL [~memyselfa@ip51cfa249.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 03:15:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:30:09 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:36:56 *** Gekkko` [~Gekkko@CPE-58-168-99-207.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: http://bbqsrc.org - Now less gay.] 03:42:29 *** Gekko [~Brendan@CPE-58-168-99-207.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:46:11 *** Llama [~bogdan@gate113.iba.by] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:48:17 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:00:53 <Gekko> where is 0.6?! 04:15:37 *** BamBam [~bambam@p5B04459F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:15:44 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB7B6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:17:14 *** Llama [~bogdan@gate113.iba.by] has joined #openttd 04:20:57 <Smoovious> it hasn't been invented yet 04:21:05 <Noldo> it's hanging in the air 04:33:19 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-159-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:39:46 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-114-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:39:58 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 04:48:06 <Gekko> when will you complete it 04:48:25 <Gekko> screw 0.6, I want 3.0! 04:48:27 <Gekko> lol 04:48:48 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 04:58:26 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB7B6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 05:08:37 *** Gekko [~Brendan@CPE-58-168-99-207.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 05:13:05 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 05:20:25 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 05:20:58 *** DNazarov [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:34:53 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 05:44:58 *** Dutchtransporttycoon [~Dutchtran@ip5650f90e.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 05:49:01 <Dutchtransporttycoon> hello polks 05:50:17 *** Dutchman [~Dutchtran@ip5650f90e.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 05:51:27 *** Dutchman [~Dutchtran@ip5650f90e.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 05:57:02 *** Dutchtransporttycoon [~Dutchtran@ip5650f90e.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:03:47 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5acb49ee.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:09:16 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 06:11:19 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 06:18:51 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-137-25.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 06:38:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r10430 /trunk/src/newgrf_town.cpp: -Fix: Too many town rating entry lookups (KUDr) 06:44:03 *** Hendikins is now known as Hendikins|BNE 07:24:43 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C938.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:26:47 <dihedral> morning ladies 07:27:33 <dihedral> !seen Chris82 07:27:33 <_42_> dihedral, Chris82 (~chris@p579E1FC0.dip.t-dialin.net) was last seen quitting #openttd 13 hours 2 minutes ago (03.07. 18:25) stating "Quit: Mathwork =Oxxx" after spending 5 hours 10 minutes there. 07:29:07 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:36:34 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:42:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:43:14 <Maedhros> oh joy. my FOR_EACH_OBJECT patch is 40kb... 07:44:08 *** setrodox [setrodox@83-65-235-41.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 07:55:04 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:56:05 <dihedral> Maedhros: lol 08:04:29 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@91.84.106.114] has joined #openttd 08:08:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:11:15 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:32 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.84.106.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:29:59 *** Gekkko` [~Gekkko@CPE-58-168-99-207.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:31:53 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B80E2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:34 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B81D5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:35:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:46:44 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-137-25.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:49:03 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-137-25.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:55:55 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 08:59:46 <peter1138> wibble 09:02:57 <scia> wobble 09:03:37 <hylje> wabble 09:04:22 <TheMask96> wubble 09:07:39 <Gekkko`> I HATE BRACES 09:09:58 <peter1138> { { { { have some more } } } } 09:12:41 <Biff> {:-) 09:14:24 <hylje> :-}}}}}}}}}}}}} 09:24:26 <Gekkko`> not those braces nublet 09:24:32 <Gekkko`> the ones in your mouth 09:24:43 <Sionide> lol 09:24:52 <peter1138> nope, none in my mouth 09:25:59 <Gekkko`> in my mouth 09:26:08 <Gekkko`> screw you technicality boy. 09:27:32 * Sionide draws a { on peter1138's cheek in permanent marker pen and a } on the other one 09:27:34 <Sionide> baha! 09:32:05 <peter1138> cheers 09:32:43 <Maedhros> peter1138: what do you think of this? http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/for_each_object-r10429.diff 09:33:02 <Maedhros> i'm not sure if stations should work this way though; the specs are a bit vague about it... 09:34:06 <peter1138> well i can think of one problem 09:34:17 <peter1138> if you're defining multiple properties... 09:34:26 <peter1138> and it goes 'past the end' 09:34:35 <peter1138> if it continues you'll be reading the wrong data 09:35:31 <Maedhros> true, although that's already a problem 09:36:07 <peter1138> yeah 09:36:21 <peter1138> we need to know how to skip each property :p 09:36:22 <peter1138> err 09:36:25 <peter1138> :o 09:36:46 <peter1138> and i need to know how to access access databases from linux :/ 09:38:35 * Maedhros wonders whether moving the for loop outside the switch statement would be a good idea 09:40:17 <peter1138> i wondered about that last night too 09:40:36 <peter1138> would seem to remove a lot of duplication 09:40:51 <Maedhros> yeah 09:41:01 <Gekkko`> peter1138: MS Access Databases? 09:41:07 <Gekkko`> OpenOffice I'd presume. 09:41:15 <peter1138> Gekkko`: no such luck 09:41:28 <caladan> mysql? 09:41:30 * Gekkko` goes to the Googlemonster for assistance 09:41:36 <Gekkko`> caladan: rofl @ you 09:41:48 <peter1138> no, mysql cannot access an access database, heh 09:41:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r10431 /trunk/src/newgrf_station.cpp: -Codechange: constness on static array 09:42:01 <caladan> ah, access, argh :] 09:42:27 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:42:28 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:43:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r10432 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: use existing function instead of data duplication 09:43:10 <Gekkko`> Kexi is a Free/Libre and Open-Source integrated data management application, a long awaited Open Source competitor for products like Microsoft Access. Kexi can be used for creating database schemas, inserting data, performing queries, and processing data. Forms can be created to provide a custom interface to your data. All database objects - tables, queries and forms - are stored in the relational 09:43:27 <Gekkko`> dunno if it loads access dbs though 09:43:41 <peter1138> kexi-mdb-plugin - MS Access (MDB) driver for Kexi 09:43:49 <Gekkko`> well then 09:43:51 <Gekkko`> we win. 09:44:09 <peter1138> but then i have to install kdelibs ;( 09:44:23 <peter1138> 93MB, heh 09:44:38 <Gekkko`> you can tone it down 09:44:41 <Gekkko`> ill find you the tut 09:44:44 <Gekkko`> that makes it like 15mb 09:47:14 <peter1138> Maedhros: if you move it out of the loop then i don't think you need any FOR_EACH_OBJECT macro... 09:47:19 <peter1138> errr 09:47:24 <peter1138> move the switch into the loop. yes. 09:47:35 <Gekkko`> peter1138: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/KDElibs_without_aRts 09:47:51 <peter1138> buggered if i'm self compiling :p 09:48:03 <Gekkko`> lazy basterd 09:48:36 <Gekkko`> " If you want a minimal Qt too, then you can quite easily compile Qt with minimal dependencies. Here's my configure line: 09:48:41 <Gekkko`> ./configure \ 09:48:41 <Gekkko`> -release -fast -thread \ 09:48:41 <Gekkko`> -qt-gif \ 09:48:41 <Gekkko`> -plugin-imgfmt-mng -qt-imgfmt-jpeg -qt-imgfmt-png \ 09:48:41 <Gekkko`> -system-libpng -system-libjpeg -system-zlib -system-libmng \ 09:48:42 <Gekkko`> -no-exceptions -no-tablet -no-cups -no-ipv6 -no-xinerama -no-stl -no-nas-sound \ 09:48:42 <Gekkko`> -dlopen-opengl \ 09:48:44 <Gekkko`> -no-style-motif -no-style-cde -no-style-motifplus -no-style-platinum -no-style-sgi 09:48:49 <Maedhros> argh! 09:48:52 <Gekkko`> QT just got owned/ 09:49:07 <peter1138> Maedhros/ 09:51:37 <peter1138> i'm installing it anyway... 09:51:43 <peter1138> finished downloading... 09:51:49 <Gekkko`> lazy lazy peter1138 09:51:53 <peter1138> made a note of the packages so i can remove it easily 09:52:04 <peter1138> no, self-compiling stuff brings me to a world of pain 09:52:37 <peter1138> KCrash: Application 'kexi' crashing... 09:52:37 <peter1138> Could not find 'drkonqi' executable. 09:52:38 <peter1138> KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching direc 09:52:39 <peter1138> lovely 09:53:28 *** BamBam [~bambam@p5B0442AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:49 *** smoovi [~smoovi@dslb-088-073-099-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:02:36 <Maedhros> this is going to be a giant diff ;) so far: http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/action_0_resuffle-part1.diff 10:02:53 <Maedhros> and now i have another 7 action 0 handlers to do :) 10:04:07 <hylje> yay for context 10:08:21 <peter1138> Maedhros: 0x21's broken 10:08:48 <peter1138> 0x27 doesn't need the { }s 10:10:51 <Maedhros> merci 10:25:29 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F31A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:30:40 <dihedral> someone was offered a vehicle a year early in the forums... check it out gusy 10:30:41 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=32886 10:32:43 <dihedral> this is rather sad - but amusing :-) 10:32:48 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489CE55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:32:50 <hylje> dont vehicles have +-2 year margin in introduction? 10:33:51 <Rubidium> hylje: so? there's always one company that may use the verhicle one year before the others 10:34:50 *** BamBam [~bambam@p5B0442AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 10:34:59 <hylje> yes 10:35:21 <Rubidium> that's what dihedral meant 10:46:51 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 10:52:11 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-137-25.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:31 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-137-25.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 10:52:56 <Gekkko`> that's one screwed up bored dude 11:04:06 <dihedral> was that your autobiography? 11:04:18 <dihedral> "one screwed up bored dude" :-P 11:04:31 <dihedral> j/k 11:08:02 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-137-25.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:08:21 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-137-25.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:08:36 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:08:49 *** Llama [~bogdan@gate113.iba.by] has left #openttd [???????...] 11:09:00 <Gekkko`> dihedral: yes. 11:09:02 <Gekkko`> yes it is 11:09:05 <Gekkko`> and I just remember you're an ass. 11:09:06 <Gekkko`> lol 11:11:16 <Maedhros> phew, 'tis done: http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/action_0_resuffle.diff 11:17:28 <Sacro> Maedhros: suffle? 11:17:35 <Maedhros> hehe, oops 11:17:49 <Sacro> all that work and you misspelt the filename... start again :p 11:18:26 <peter1138> +cs->label = BSWAP32(grf_load_dword(&buf)); 11:18:28 <peter1138> not good 11:18:35 <peter1138> it's separate for a reason :) 11:18:54 <peter1138> unless BSWAP32() is no longer a macro 11:18:55 <Maedhros> ok, i was going to ask you about that one anyway :) 11:19:07 <Maedhros> oooh, of course 11:19:13 <peter1138> it will call grf_load_dword(&buf) four times :) 11:39:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> maybe you should use an inline function instead :9 11:40:16 *** [BDS]-Klaus [~Miranda@p54AB04E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:40:23 <[BDS]-Klaus> hi all 11:40:26 <peter1138> macros suck :D 11:41:10 <Sacro> http://xkcd.com/c285.html HAHAHA 11:41:16 <Phazorx> morning 11:41:21 <peter1138> old 11:43:48 <hylje> :D 11:47:45 <Maedhros> ok, i've update the "resuffle" with various minor changes 11:53:00 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:55:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> a "lost terminal", does that only let you enter "4 8 15 16 23 42"? 12:03:51 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0F94D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:04:21 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:49 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:12:32 <Brianetta> http://xkcd.com/c253.html <-- just like some of the stuff we see 12:12:53 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 12:13:56 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F94D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:14:07 *** [BDS]-Klaus [~Miranda@p54AB04E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 12:17:25 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:17:50 <caladan> i like most the strip with guy being struck by lightning after touching lever 12:18:17 <caladan> http://xkcd.com/c242.html 12:18:41 <caladan> and it's the same with debbuging code - will it happen again? :D 12:20:37 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F94D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:23:10 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F94D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:25 <SmatZ> caladan: oh no, another comics site, now I will waste whole day looking at all ofthose strips :D 12:26:27 <toresbe> wth 12:26:34 <toresbe> you haven't heard of xkcd before?! 12:27:36 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064079.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:29:51 <caladan> SmatZ: not a whole day, they have like 250 strips 12:30:15 <caladan> xkcd is a damn geek comic :D 12:30:15 <Sacro> SmatZ: xkcd is amazing 12:30:20 <hylje> in contrast long-running daily comics are approaching like 2000 12:30:22 <Sacro> but don't forget to read all the mouseovers 12:30:28 <hylje> see toothpaste for dinner (dot com) 12:30:31 <Sacro> megatokyo :D 12:30:56 <caladan> ah, yeah, megatokyo... haven't read it in months... 12:31:04 <hylje> i havent ever read it 12:31:08 <hylje> but i have read dramu about it 12:31:14 <Sacro> what else do i read... 12:31:22 <Sacro> whats the one with the murderer 12:42:45 *** setrodox_ [setrodox@83-65-234-248.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 12:43:49 *** Gekkko` [~Gekkko@CPE-58-168-99-207.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: http://bbqsrc.org - Now less gay.] 12:44:46 *** setrodox [setrodox@83-65-235-41.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:46:52 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB70F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:42 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 12:53:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10433 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: 12:53:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Remove FOR_EACH_OBJECT by moving the for loops in the Action 0 12:53:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: handlers outside the switch statements. This allows ignoring only the invalid 12:53:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: IDs when changing the properties for many objects, rather than ignoring the 12:53:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: whole block if one ID is invalid. 12:53:34 <Maedhros> Phazorx: that fixes your infinite loop, by the way :) 12:57:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10434 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r9315): When setting multiple house overrides in one Action 0, don't override them all with the first ID. 13:00:01 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:01:27 <hylje> :O 13:02:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10435 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r9315): numinfo starts from 1, not 0, so make it possible to define a house with a local id of 255. 13:12:44 *** Gekko[PDA] [~gekko@S010600e09103b7cd.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:10 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-16.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:18:00 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-180-89.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 13:25:37 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:54 *** Gekko[PDA] [~gekko@S010600e09103b7cd.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:30:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10436 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Cleanup: Doxygenise some comments, update others, and make a few statements more consistent with everything else. 13:31:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> someone's on a roll :) 13:33:36 <Maedhros> when you start out there are so many other things you (or other people) notice :D 13:33:52 <hylje> flow 13:41:21 *** Gekko[PDA] [~gekko@S010600e09103b7cd.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 13:42:48 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:46:39 <SmatZ> caladan Sacro thanks, I am just reading it - now I got a problem - http://xkcd.com/c197.html - if you can hardly distinguis those two colors (red/green), the strip has a different meaning :) 13:47:29 <Sacro> SmatZ: does it? 13:47:30 <Sacro> :o 13:48:15 <SmatZ> yes, just a graph with two the same colors with the same colors at legend ... takes some time to understand those colors have to be different :) 13:48:36 <Sacro> :\ 13:48:55 <Sacro> ooh yes 13:49:01 <Sacro> i've just ran it through visicheck 13:49:05 <Sacro> and it isn't very clear 13:49:26 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:49:54 <SmatZ> you are really fast :) 13:53:58 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:54:50 <peter1138> but they're totally differen t;p 13:55:48 <SmatZ> http://colorfilter.wickline.org/?a=1;r=www.google.cz/search%3Fq%3Dcolorblind%2Bweb%2Bfilter%26ie%3Dutf-8%26oe%3Dutf-8%26aq%3Dt%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Acs-CZ%3Aofficial%26client%3Dfirefox-a;l=9;j=1;u=xkcd.com/c197.html;t=d 13:55:48 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 13:56:12 <SmatZ> those filters are not perfect... as everyone has a different amount of red and green cones :) 14:11:55 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:56 <hylje> btw 14:21:03 <hylje> how long can signs nowadays be? 14:22:17 <XeryusTC> 31 characters 14:22:36 <XeryusTC> or 255 pixels wide IIRC 14:22:47 <hylje> but you can stack them 14:22:49 <XeryusTC> that's for the sign edit window 14:22:53 <hylje> why cant the gui concatenate them? :-) 14:23:03 <XeryusTC> the sign renderer has a max amount of width it can render 14:23:04 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:23:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 14:23:11 <hylje> :o 14:23:35 *** glx is now known as Guest413 14:23:35 *** glx|away is now known as glx 14:28:39 <Sacro> A BUG 14:28:46 * Sacro just tried to delete a peice of road 14:28:59 <Sacro> player.h line 241 14:29:14 <Sacro> IS_INSIDE_1D(i, PLAYER_FIRST, lengthof(_players)) 14:29:27 *** Guest413 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:00 <peter1138> http://bugs.openttd.org/ 14:30:01 <Sacro> and its reproducibe 14:30:10 <Sacro> but its 2 nightlies ago 14:31:14 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 14:36:20 <stillunknown> Is it stored in the map if a bridge ramp is level or not? 14:36:45 <glx> Sacro: try with r10145 :) 14:37:01 <Sacro> glx: i have to wait for orudge to update his server 14:38:00 <glx> hmm r10415 indeed 14:39:00 <hylje> http://zip.4chan.org/tg/src/1183553298062.jpg 14:39:41 <Sacro> whoops 14:40:24 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:41:17 <dihedral> hylje: i wonder if those waggons spinned as much as the ones in ottd do when there is a crash :-) 14:42:00 <Sacro> hahaga 14:48:19 <peter1138> stillunknown: i think it isn't 14:56:23 *** Gekko[PDA] [~gekko@S010600e09103b7cd.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 15:01:33 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:02:52 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:21 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A58CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:16 <skidd13> !seen Frostregen 15:11:18 <_42_> skidd13, Hum... don't you think this nick is a bit long? ^_^ 15:11:58 <Frostregen> i'm here 15:13:18 *** toresbe [~toresbe@64.80-203-20.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:35 *** Gekkko[PDA] [~gekko@S010600e09103b7cd.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:05 <peter1138> !seen some long nicks that can be used on irc 15:21:06 <_42_> peter1138, some? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember some. 15:21:11 <peter1138> stupid bot 15:27:45 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:03 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:10 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:53:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 15:57:50 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 15:58:51 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F3DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:01 <Phazorx> Maedhros: thanks, so TTRS is absolutely safe to use even forcing certain gae? 16:01:02 <Phazorx> age 16:03:07 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F94D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:03 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:09:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F8ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:09:31 <Maedhros> Phazorx: unless you find any other bugs in it, yes ;) 16:09:47 <Maedhros> s/in/with/ 16:09:56 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 16:10:27 <Sacro> HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA 16:10:33 <Sacro> can someone join this server, its hilarious >< 16:10:47 <Sacro> KuDr: i *might have a slight pathfinding issue 16:12:03 <KUDr> where? 16:12:26 <Phazorx> Maedhros: it's bound to happen sometimes, i'm glad that one is gone though... was kinda anoyying since i cant debug even 16:12:51 <Sacro> KuDr: seems i was missing a bit of track 16:13:02 <Sacro> i had a train going round a 4 90 degree turns 16:13:02 <KUDr> :) 16:13:05 <Sacro> in a circle >< 16:17:18 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:26:46 <Sacro> the timetable window seriously needs more redraw commands 16:33:59 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:36:06 <peter1138> more redraw? hmm? 16:37:53 <Sacro> peter1138: there is a bug 16:38:05 <Sacro> Johnmit has -29K Max Income 16:38:14 <Sacro> and its underflowed when drawing the box on detailed perf rating 16:38:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:43:37 <peter1138> hmm nope 16:43:40 <peter1138> i don't see it in the list of bugs 16:47:37 * Sacro sighs 16:47:39 <Sacro> :( 16:52:24 <peter1138> hmm? 16:54:59 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 16:57:14 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B757AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:40 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-137-25.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:29 *** UnderBuilder [~usuario@168.226.104.155] has joined #openttd 16:58:48 <UnderBuilder> hey is someone from the franchise game here? 16:59:18 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 17:00:12 *** Osai^Kendo [~Osai@pD9EB70F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^Kendo] 17:01:08 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-39-130.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 17:05:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76722.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:09:40 <Sacro> UnderBuilder: aye 17:12:35 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:12:39 <Tlustoch> Hello 17:12:55 <Tlustoch> Please can you tell me what's the maximum size of train station? 17:13:07 <Sacro> it depends on the station spread setting 17:14:19 <Tlustoch> What's some useful size? (For passenger transport) 17:14:33 <Tlustoch> Is it meaningful to build extra large stations in the city? 17:14:44 <Sacro> it all depends on throughput 17:15:51 <Tlustoch> Well, the city can generate only certain number of passangers so I guess it would be meaningless to build something extra large. 17:16:42 <hylje> the city grows over time 17:17:08 <Tlustoch> But the station can cover only limited area. 17:17:57 <UnderBuilder> Sacro: its because I wanted to join but seems that team is full :( 17:17:58 <hylje> you can "walk" it if you liek huge stations 17:18:08 <Sacro> UnderBuilder: indeed... no more companies :( 17:18:21 <hylje> :o 17:18:31 <Digitalfox> Tlustoch: Why not build more than one station... 17:19:05 <Digitalfox> Even if the city grows you can always build more stations, even if they are trains, buses or planes 17:19:21 <Tlustoch> Sure. I was just asking if there's some _optional_ size of station in the city. 17:19:47 <hylje> it really depends. theres no magic bullet. 17:20:30 <Tlustoch> :-) 17:20:52 <Tlustoch> Btw does anyone want to play online with me? 17:21:17 <Digitalfox> Tlustoch: What you have to keep in mind, is that you should build or a big one ( witch in a big city will never cache all the buildings ) or use more small ones that can catch a lot more 17:21:23 <UnderBuilder> but can I spectate or is that private? 17:21:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r10437 /trunk/src/ (rail_cmd.cpp rail_gui.cpp): 17:21:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: Automatic signal completion, enabled by pressing ctrl when dragging 17:21:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: signals. Signals will continue following track until an existing signal, 17:21:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: junction or station are reached. This currently replaces the existing use of 17:21:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: ctrl-drag for changing existing signal type. 17:21:54 <hylje> heh 17:21:57 <hylje> i just svn up'd 17:22:06 <hylje> damn you peter1138 for making me do it again >:) 17:22:59 <Phazorx> peter1138: briges and tunnels are ignored? 17:25:42 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:31:13 <Tlustoch> And how do you handle rails in the city? Do you build underground or in the city? 17:31:23 <hylje> you plan ahead :) 17:31:55 *** setrodox_ [setrodox@83-65-234-248.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 17:32:26 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-203-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:32:30 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-203-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:32:44 <Tlustoch> When you have enough money, you can build underground without problems 17:32:55 <Tlustoch> So you save space for houses :-) 17:34:56 <Tlustoch> By the way is there some advanced player here? 17:35:07 <Tlustoch> I would like to see save of some really good game. 17:35:29 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-126-38-3.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:35:52 <hylje> heh 17:36:04 <hylje> i just added some newgrf halfway into a game 17:36:44 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 17:37:19 <stillunknown> Tlustoch: openttdcoop keeps an archive of their games 17:38:04 *** Nickman is now known as Nickman^Away 17:46:11 <Tlustoch> Looks boring :-) 17:46:27 <Tlustoch> You didn't try to "build" city all over the map? 17:46:35 <Tlustoch> Or something extraordinary? 17:51:58 <hylje> added trams 17:52:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r10438 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files): 17:52:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-07-04 19:52:16 17:52:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: american - 20 fixed by WhiteRabbit (20) 17:52:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 21 fixed, 1 changed by ThomasA (22) 17:52:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 10 fixed by izhirahider (10) 17:52:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 2 changed by xbddc (2) 17:54:08 <Thomas[NL]> what does this exactly mean?: ParamSet: GRM: Unable to allocate 116 sprites; try changing NewGRF order 17:54:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:04 <peter1138> it means you're trying to load multiple vehicle sets 17:55:53 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:55:53 <Thomas[NL]> the grf giving the error is ttrs3 17:56:55 <peter1138> oh 17:57:02 <peter1138> sorry, i can't read :) 17:57:06 <peter1138> it means what it says 17:57:14 <peter1138> it could allocate some sprites 17:57:32 <peter1138> GRM sprites currently have to be below the old 16384 sprite limit 17:57:41 <peter1138> so... just move ttrs3 further up the newgrf list 18:02:30 <Thomas[NL]> hmm strange DBsetXL overrides the road/rail crossing with the original sprite :/ 18:02:35 <peter1138> yes 18:02:38 <Thomas[NL]> why? 18:02:48 <peter1138> because it changes the crossing graphics 18:02:53 <peter1138> you can disable it 18:03:02 <peter1138> it tells you how in its readme file 18:03:16 <Thomas[NL]> ok ty 18:03:19 <glx> I though it was a donotreadme :) 18:03:39 <peter1138> glx: don't be silly... nobody would read that ;) 18:05:12 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A58CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:06:09 <Thomas[NL]> I never actually played long with dbxl so didn't really look for the parameters 18:06:56 <Thomas[NL]> And these semaphores where different looking, I wasn't confused :) 18:21:32 <stillunknown> peter1138: Why keep the limit for that? 18:22:39 <peter1138> because GRM is a nasty horrible hack which i can't do anything about 18:23:22 <UnderBuilder> someone wants to play on a server? 18:23:59 <peter1138> stillunknown: it has to 'write back' the grm data to the grf, where it is still limited to 14 bits for sprite ids 18:25:25 <peter1138> fortunately all action 1/2/3 stuff (vehicles, houses, industries, stations) does not have that limitation 18:26:02 *** SteamWilly [webmaster@dslb-084-062-164-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10439 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: initial steps for customized industry productions. 18:37:33 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 18:39:45 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:10 *** Noldo_ [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 18:40:13 *** Noldo_ [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [] 18:41:06 *** Noldo_ [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 18:41:14 *** Noldo_ [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [] 18:42:32 <stillunknown> I hate it when i get these segfaults that don't let themselves be traced. 18:43:27 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-39-130.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:40 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 18:50:45 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 18:53:31 *** orudge` [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 18:53:56 *** BrainkillerXXL [webmaster@dslb-084-062-164-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:16 *** BrainkillerXXL is now known as SteamWilly_ 18:54:31 *** Noldo_ [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 18:54:51 *** waxman_ [~cfluegel@static.88-198-83-123.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openttd 18:55:36 *** nfc_ [~nfc@dsl-hvkgw1-fe65fa00-43.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:56:08 *** blathijs_ [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 18:56:16 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> panulirus.oftc.net quits: SmatZ, @peter1138, nfc, prakti, @orudge, egladil, Noldo, SteamWilly, waxman, DJ_Mirage, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 18:56:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 18:56:23 *** Netsplit over, joins: peter1138 18:56:25 *** XeryusTC2 is now known as XeryusTC 18:56:40 <peter1138> oic 18:58:27 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:59:36 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 19:00:36 *** SteamWilly_ is now known as SteamWilly 19:02:05 <SteamWilly> is there any way to disable the 'cash-bubbles' and the 'cash-sound' 19:02:09 <SteamWilly> ? 19:02:28 <SteamWilly> and only them 19:02:57 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:03:21 <Rubidium> make a newgrf that replaces them? 19:03:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:07 <peter1138> yeah, transport no cargo :D 19:04:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:25 <SteamWilly> lol 19:05:31 <Belugas> they are right, SteamWilly. You cannot disable individual sounds. UNless you do nothing to produce them (transpoet cargo) or you replace them with a newgrf, for quiet sounds or even guitar chords :) 19:05:44 <Tlustoch> Do I have to set pre-signals manualy? In ttdpatch, pre-signals were set automatically. 19:05:57 <SteamWilly> thx for the info 19:08:20 <peter1138> Tlustoch, yes 19:08:38 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C938.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:10:49 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 19:10:49 <peter1138> !logs 19:10:53 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:12:18 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-101-127.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:12:29 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:16:22 *** smoovi [~smoovi@dslb-088-073-099-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:35 *** Ben_1 is now known as _Ben_ 19:18:59 *** Jonah [~Jonah@084202181217.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 19:19:08 <Jonah> Hellooooooooo 19:19:23 *** Jonah [~Jonah@084202181217.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [] 19:23:50 <dihedral> good night ladies 19:24:00 * dihedral is heading to bed 19:24:35 *** dihedral [~nathanael@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:24:45 *** smoovi [~smoovi@dslb-088-073-085-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:37 *** BamBam [~bambam@p5B047D48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember the "automatic" presignals of ttdpatch were a really ugly feature... 19:42:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but that was like 5 years ago :) 19:42:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i was using ttdpatch 1.7 or something 19:44:36 *** |kami|Death [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-250-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:44 <peter1138> oh? 19:45:00 <peter1138> ah, presignals, not automatic signal completion 19:50:17 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:02 <Eddi|zuHause> no, something entirely different :) 19:51:35 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:54:31 <hylje> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1183576635485.jpg 19:54:42 *** orudge` [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:56 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 19:55:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 20:04:48 <Eddi|zuHause> your house, your pool, your neighbourhood? 20:05:23 <Eddi|zuHause> (loosely based on a commercial here in germany :p) 20:05:45 <hylje> :3 20:05:51 <hylje> i wish 20:08:52 <hylje> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1183579683556.jpg 20:26:24 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:30:48 <prakti> *Ping* 20:31:07 <hylje> pong 20:32:28 *** sHELL [~memyselfa@ip51cfa249.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 20:35:29 <Sacro> pong 20:41:37 <sHELL> |. 20:41:52 <glx> .| 20:41:57 <sHELL> |. 20:42:51 <hylje> you both fail it 20:42:55 <sHELL> omg 20:43:01 <sHELL> im downloading insurgency 20:43:11 <sHELL> my bandwith is being raped 20:43:31 <sHELL> can't even listen to my radio 20:46:24 <Tlustoch> What vehicle breakdown option do you use? 20:46:36 <sHELL> me? none 20:48:45 <hylje> on my lil games yes 20:50:55 <Tlustoch> hylje, what breakdown option do you use? 20:58:26 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 21:01:43 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-39-130.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 21:14:26 <ln-> greetings from göteborg 21:14:44 <ln-> the home town of openttd 21:15:06 <UnderBuilder> WTF the franchise game server is using UKRSI 21:17:30 <sHELL> ln-, hows the weather in finland? 21:18:00 <hylje> göteborg is not quite finland 21:18:11 *** UnderBuilder [~usuario@168.226.104.155] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 21:18:58 <sHELL> ln- is lauri@ksenos.fi * Lauri Nurmi <<< just asuming -_-; 21:19:47 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-126-38-3.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 21:20:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:22:26 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 21:27:40 *** UnderBuilder [~usuario@168.226.104.155] has joined #openttd 21:28:00 <UnderBuilder> lol jasper wants to join the franchise game 21:29:43 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:40:03 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:02 <Sacro> @seen smoviou 21:51:03 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen smoviou. 21:51:07 <Sacro> @seen Smoovious 21:51:07 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Smoovious was last seen in #openttd 17 hours, 30 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <Smoovious> it hasn't been invented yet 21:52:00 <Smoovious> ... 21:52:19 <Sacro> indeed :p 21:52:20 <Smoovious> I don't talk much in #tycoon 21:52:27 <Sacro> or here 21:52:35 <Smoovious> I talk more here 21:53:01 <Smoovious> past several days I've been doing support for µT tho... a stable is due out in a few days 21:53:15 <Sacro> ooh, i wonder if it'll stop whinging about my firewall 21:53:39 <stillunknown> Payed support? 21:54:51 <Smoovious> nope 21:57:07 <stillunknown> Why would you support non-free software? 21:57:48 <Smoovious> what's non-free about it? 21:58:15 <Smoovious> nobody has ever charged a penny for it... (not legitimately anyways) 21:58:24 <glx> the source is not free, but the software is 21:58:49 <stillunknown> Multiple definitions of free exist. 21:59:18 <stillunknown> Usually referred to as "free as in free beer" and "free as in free speech". 21:59:41 <peter1138> libre 21:59:57 <glx> libre vs gratuit :) 22:00:26 <Smoovious> well, speech is also free as in free beer 22:01:49 <Eddi|zuHause> as in "the freedom to charge money for it"? 22:02:16 <Eddi|zuHause> or quote from a famous geman movie: "free beer is 5DM" 22:02:26 <stillunknown> Let's be more specific, it does not give you the ability to modify the source code under a certain type of license. 22:02:34 <Smoovious> so? 22:02:44 <Eddi|zuHause> *german 22:02:46 <Smoovious> its ludde's code, he can do with it as he pleases... 22:02:54 <Smoovious> or rather 22:02:57 <Smoovious> it is BTInc's code now 22:03:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought he sold it 22:03:25 <Smoovious> so i nstead of shaping how µT was being developed, like b efore, now we're basically trying to keep t he new devs from doing stupid things 22:03:54 <stillunknown> The problems of closed source software ;-) 22:03:58 <Smoovious> we still have input tho... and we're also the dev/alpha testers like before 22:04:43 <Smoovious> I'm not getting into a debate about open/closed source... your bias is pretty clear already... but neither is better thhan t he other... they each have their own unique strengths and weaknesses... and that's as far as I'm going to get drawn into it 22:04:54 <hylje> wait, ludde was behind microtorrent? 22:05:16 <Smoovious> yes... µTorrent was 100% written by ludde 22:05:30 <Smoovious> (well, unless you wanna count the 1 line I contributed :P ) 22:05:37 <UnderBuilder> @seen jasperthecat1 22:05:37 <DorpsGek> UnderBuilder: jasperthecat1 was last seen in #openttd 5 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 12 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Jasperthecat1> (I'm underbuilder :P) 22:05:41 <UnderBuilder> :O 22:05:51 <Smoovious> in fact, talking to ludde, was how I found out about openttd 22:05:59 *** Gekkko[PDA] [~gekko@S010600e09103b7cd.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:03 *** BamBam [~bambam@p5B047D48.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:08:36 <stillunknown> Is this the reason ludde stopped developing for openttd? 22:08:46 <Smoovious> I don't think so 22:09:00 *** Gekkko[PDA] [~gekko@S010600e09103b7cd.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 22:09:12 <Smoovious> he just got tired and wanted something d ifferent after a while... same thting with him selling µT 22:09:29 <Smoovious> vurlix was with him early on tho (I think it was vurlix... haven't seen him in ages) 22:09:44 <hylje> so hes developing killer app after killer app.. 22:09:52 <stillunknown> Except that he apparently promised to open source it once he got tired of utorrent. 22:10:01 <stillunknown> Or something like that. 22:10:11 <Smoovious> what he's doing now is joining with a group working on a music service 22:10:19 <Smoovious> it wasn't a promise... 22:10:28 <Smoovious> it was only a possibility 22:11:04 <Smoovious> we were looking forward to it, but can't fault him for selling it instead... he needed income... and disability assistance only goes so far 22:13:53 <stillunknown> At least he did the right thing for openttd. 22:14:00 <stillunknown> Which i'm glad off. 22:14:07 <stillunknown> *glad for 22:14:12 <Smoovious> well, openttd was i ntended to be open source from t he start 22:14:46 <Smoovious> µT, on thhe other hand, had different goals... like keeping th he code tighht and compact... old school techniques... 22:14:57 <Smoovious> he d idn't intend to sell it when hee started 22:15:19 <Smoovious> the offer just came at the right time when he was looking to move on to something else 22:16:16 <stillunknown> It remains to be seen what happens now. 22:16:45 <Sacro> i thought it was orudge who released the source after ludde had left 22:16:52 <Smoovious> don't blame him either... all of the virtiol from the piracy crowd who thought mistakenly that he owed them something... what a bunch of jerks... 22:17:29 <Smoovious> I don't know about that, Sacro... 22:17:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F8ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:46 <Smoovious> virtiol=vitriol 22:18:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10440 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp newgrf_industries.cpp): -Fix: CBM_IND defines bits to be set, not bitsets. 22:19:01 <Smoovious> brb 22:19:28 *** Osai^Kendo [~Osai@pD9EB7E62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:45 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 22:22:05 *** Apocalipsys [~Apocalips@190.156.93.61] has joined #openttd 22:22:16 <stillunknown> rubidium: That commit doesn't compile. 22:22:24 *** Apocalipsys [~Apocalips@190.156.93.61] has left #openttd [] 22:22:44 <stillunknown> rubidium: I think the if statement with nothing else is not interpreted correctly. 22:23:11 <Rubidium> grr 22:24:07 <stillunknown> economy.cpp line 1243 btw 22:24:13 *** Gekkko[PDA] [~gekko@S010600e09103b7cd.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10441 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix (r10440): something went wrong "porting" fixes from one place to another; like compiling the wrong checkout. 22:25:13 <Smoovious> ib 22:25:49 * Sacro reads the source for OpenTTD 0.1 22:26:06 * Smoovious grins. 22:26:12 <stillunknown> Sacro: Must be very scary. 22:27:09 <Sacro> actually, its easier 22:27:17 <Smoovious> should try and compile the earliest version off of svn one of these d ays for the hell of it 22:27:30 <Sacro> -r? 22:27:34 <Sacro> well i think this is pre r1 22:27:35 <Smoovious> ? 22:27:41 <Eddi|zuHause> ther are versions before r1 22:27:41 <Sacro> !openttd version 1 22:27:58 <Smoovious> naw, I don't need to go back that far 22:27:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: version != revisions 22:28:05 <Sacro> !openttd reversion 1 22:28:06 <Smoovious> the earliest one on svn is plenty 22:28:09 <Sacro> !openttd revesion 1 22:28:11 <Sacro> >< 22:28:13 * Sacro slaps self 22:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause> you fail! 22:28:16 <Sacro> !openttd revision 1 22:28:35 <Sacro> @openttd revision 1 22:28:41 * Sacro will give up soon 22:28:51 <Eddi|zuHause> !openttd commit 1 22:28:54 <_42_> Commit by truelight :: r1 /trunk/ (200 files in 10 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC) 22:28:56 <_42_> Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 22:28:58 <Sacro> THANK YOU 22:29:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i am too grateful :) 22:29:30 <Sacro> well this is 2004-05-06 22:29:33 <stillunknown> Sacro: easier how? 22:29:46 <Sacro> stillunknown: i can't follow the trunk code, it hurts my head 22:30:36 <Eddi|zuHause> stillunknown: current trunk is much more complex 22:30:50 <Eddi|zuHause> ever tried to read through YAPF code? 22:30:56 <Sacro> yes 22:32:11 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 22:33:14 <stillunknown> I admit YAPF is complex, too complex for most (including me). 22:33:35 <stillunknown> But the rest seems doable, except gui code which is strange imo. 22:33:52 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 22:33:52 <Sacro> !logs 22:33:53 <Sacro> :\ 22:34:15 <stillunknown> Although i do get tendencies to rewrite parts i don't understand. 22:35:08 <stillunknown> I must admit i've only seriously dealt with the vehicle movement code. 22:35:48 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:36:50 <stillunknown> Sacro: The newgrf code is a bit strange to me as well, but that's because i don't know newgrf. 22:36:57 <Sacro> actually, i can follow that 22:37:39 <stillunknown> What are your problem areas? (just curious) 22:37:56 <Smoovious> thighs 22:40:17 <Sacro> errr?... 22:40:25 <Sacro> stillunknown: was trying to dissect the signal code 22:40:54 <stillunknown> I admit not having gone trough that. 22:42:15 <orudge> Sacro: I have the code for various pre-OpenTTD versions :P 22:42:19 <orudge> ie, before it was public 22:42:24 <orudge> the earliest code released to the public was 0.1 22:42:26 <Sacro> orudge: well release them :p 22:42:34 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:42:37 <orudge> Nah 22:42:45 <orudge> For a start, it wasn't licenced under the GPL until 0.1 22:43:06 <orudge> and I'd want to seek Ludde's permission to do so. So I shall keep it for myself until then. :p 22:46:00 <orudge> As for how OpenTTD came to be released 22:46:19 <orudge> Ludde spoke to me sometime over a year before OpenTTD was made public, and told me about the project 22:46:24 <orudge> it was fairly complete back then 22:46:32 <orudge> but he worked on it slowly over the rest of the year 22:46:42 <orudge> he didn't want to release it for legal reasons 22:46:56 <orudge> but due to nobody being able to get in touch with Atari, and their apparent disregard for TTD 22:47:03 <orudge> he decided that maybe it'd be possible 22:47:08 <orudge> so that's what we did 22:47:28 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:47:30 <orudge> then Ludde came back when he saw how popular it was 22:47:44 <orudge> and coordinated the next few releases 22:48:29 <Smoovious> btw... is there still no word from them? (Atari) I know someone had spoken to someone there a couple months ago... .. . 22:49:04 <Sacro> "...Melbourne City Council last night decided against resuming its former policy of paying private investigators to have sex in illegal brothels..." 22:49:06 <orudge> Various people have tried 22:49:14 <orudge> nobody's got anything back yet 22:49:23 <stillunknown> What makes me wonder is why ludde didn't structure openttd more from the beginning, like putting all the map accessor's in header files. 22:49:48 <Smoovious> Sacro... gotta hate politicians... they think they're they only ones allowed to nookie on the state's tab 22:50:14 <Sacro> i wonder if i can get it on the nhs... 22:50:21 <Smoovious> maybe he wasn't looking at things that way early on... 22:50:54 <Smoovious> I know my code for myself is sloppy as hell... nothing I'd want anyone else to see... but code I know others will deal with i s a lot neater 22:52:05 <stillunknown> I have trouble reading bad code(poor indenting for example), so i tend to make reasonably code. 22:52:54 <Smoovious> oh I indent. :D 22:53:24 <Smoovious> I just use maybe only a quarter to a third as many lines :) 22:54:03 <Smoovious> and all in the same file 22:55:02 <stillunknown> I have never done a project (except an overgrown script) from scratch. 22:55:08 <Smoovious> in no particular order... new stuff, goes at the bottom 22:55:43 <stillunknown> Except a few algorithms i had to write as "school" assignment. 22:55:48 <Smoovious> it runs... but it isn't pretty... and not user-friendly either 22:56:04 <Smoovious> hate doing UI's... tend to just make commands instead 22:56:44 <stillunknown> I dislike UI code too. 22:58:21 <Smoovious> if I can do something by hitting 2 or 3 keys, works for me 22:58:27 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:58:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i like point-and-click kind of UI development 22:58:40 <Eddi|zuHause> like in Delphi 22:58:53 *** lolman_ [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:59:55 <stillunknown> My first programming language was C, delphi doesn't make much sense on a gnu/linux system. 23:00:15 <Sacro> i started on ASM :( 23:01:23 <stillunknown> I started about 2 years ago, i had the desire to make a small fix, which ended being a modified printf statement. 23:01:34 <stillunknown> Didn't make much sense back then. 23:02:35 <caladan> Sacro: ASM? wow... 23:02:44 <Sacro> caladan: why wow? 23:02:49 <Sacro> trap #11, dc.w 0 23:03:05 <Sacro> caladan: start at the bottom and work up :p 23:03:10 <caladan> asm was my third language 23:03:39 <caladan> people start woth pascal or C, not with asm :D 23:03:53 *** lolman is now known as Guest442 23:03:53 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 23:03:53 <Sacro> i know m68k asm 23:03:55 <Sacro> pic asm 23:03:56 <Sacro> err... 23:04:01 *** smoovi [~smoovi@dslb-088-073-085-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: #idlerpg] 23:04:02 <Sacro> then i taught myself C, PHP 23:04:04 <Sacro> SQL 23:04:06 <Sacro> bits of C# 23:04:07 <orudge> caladan: people start with BASIC! 23:04:20 * orudge started with Locomotive BASIC 2, on his AMSTRAD 1640 23:04:26 <orudge> and MS-DOS batch files 23:04:36 <orudge> moved onto QBASIC when I got a 386 with MS-DOS 6.2 23:04:39 <orudge> then Visual Basic 23:04:46 <orudge> started C in 1999 23:04:47 <Sacro> haha, QBasic 23:04:50 <orudge> and it went on from there. 23:05:20 *** Guest442 [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:54 <caladan> kk, i thought *.bat dont count :D 23:06:11 <caladan> do you remember clipper? 23:06:13 <orudge> when they're the most advanced things you know at the time, sure they do ;) 23:06:18 <caladan> that was awesome language :D 23:06:25 <orudge> also, some batch files can be fairly complex :p 23:06:47 <caladan> i remember, when i was in primary school, someone was deleting my directory over and over again :D 23:06:57 <caladan> then i added some lines to autoexec.bat :D 23:07:18 <caladan> if not exists my_dir deltree /Y C:/Windows :D 23:07:29 <orudge> how nice of you 23:07:30 <orudge> :p 23:07:43 <Sacro> hehehee 23:07:51 <Sacro> deltree /Y fte 23:07:53 <Sacro> *ftw 23:08:35 <orudge> In my day, we didn't have DELTREE 23:08:40 <orudge> hidden files were hidden, you couldn't see them at all 23:08:47 <caladan> hehe 23:08:48 <Sacro> orudge: you are younger than me, stfu 23:08:48 <orudge> and floppy disks came in the 360KB variety! 23:08:53 <caladan> i remember that 23:08:53 <Sacro> hahaha 23:08:55 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: good night] 23:09:01 * stillunknown only learned coding after my windows phase (actually the phase were i lacked my own computer) 23:09:01 <Sacro> lowest we had in 1989 was 740k 23:09:05 <caladan> attirb -h -s filename 23:09:06 <caladan> :D 23:09:26 * orudge 's first computer was just about as old as (if not a bit older than) himself 23:09:41 <peter1138> 23:47 < stillunknown> What makes me wonder is why ludde didn't structure openttd more from the beginning, like putting all the map accessor's in header files. 23:09:44 <caladan> i remember as i hid my directiries 23:09:50 <peter1138> errr cos it didn't *have* map accessors... 23:09:51 <caladan> like alt+225 or something like that 23:10:14 <orudge> caladan: you couldn't do that in MS-DOS 3.2 :p 23:10:21 <orudge> You could set the archive and read-only attributes 23:10:27 <caladan> sorry, i dont remember that old dos :D 23:10:28 <orudge> hidden and system files were truly hidden :p 23:10:30 <Frostregen> oh, batchfiles... anyone want to help? i never could code something: delete all occurences of a given directory name, including all files within them, recursively down a directory tree 23:10:36 <orudge> I guess you could get at them programmatically 23:10:58 <orudge> Frostregen: hmm, some sort of FOR command in a recursive batch file 23:11:18 <orudge> I would guess 23:11:32 <Frostregen> hmm, recursively...i gave the answer myself =) 23:11:36 <Frostregen> o'll try 23:11:39 <Frostregen> i* 23:11:50 <Frostregen> thx 23:12:02 <orudge> Be careful ;) 23:12:05 <caladan> hehehe 23:12:20 <stillunknown> peter1138: Then i meant to ask, why he didn't make them. 23:13:49 <orudge> Because, at the time 23:13:57 <orudge> he was working from a decompilation of TTD, basically 23:14:04 <orudge> so certainly, the code wasn't a literal translation 23:14:04 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:14:09 <orudge> but it probably wasn't all that much abstracted 23:14:39 <caladan> hmmm, what was used to disasseble TTD? 23:14:58 <orudge> Well 23:15:09 <orudge> the original versions of OpenTTD had a pile of IDA scripts 23:15:21 *** |kami|Death [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-250-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:15:24 <orudge> I imagine Marcin's database helped a lot, too 23:15:34 <caladan> Marcin? :> 23:16:13 <caladan> IDA is a great tool, used it maaaany times... but mostly not on x86 23:16:43 <orudge> Marcin Gryzsomethingorother 23:16:44 <stillunknown> Ludde must have had some desire for code aesthetics, or is that just my flaw for wanting pretty code. 23:16:57 <orudge> http://marcin.ttdpatch.net/ 23:17:43 <caladan> kk, wondered about his name 23:17:53 <caladan> last name is polish 23:18:38 <orudge> Yes 23:18:48 <orudge> I just can't quite remember how to spell it :p 23:20:15 <caladan> oh, i imagine, it could be a lot worse :D 23:20:20 *** Gekkko` [~Gekkko@CPE-58-168-99-207.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:29:00 <Eddi|zuHause> <caladan> do you remember clipper? <- that was my father's favourite language :) 23:33:23 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, i never have seen him program in any other language 23:34:57 *** sHELL [~memyselfa@ip51cfa249.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 23:38:49 *** Nickman^Away [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:42:24 *** UnderBuilder [~usuario@168.226.104.155] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 23:45:53 <Phazorx> !seen maedhros 23:45:56 <_42_> Phazorx, Maedhros (~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net) was last seen quitting #openttd.notice 36 minutes ago (04.07. 23:08) stating "Quit: good night" after spending 16 hours 57 minutes there. 23:46:15 <Phazorx> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10433 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: << is not fixed still 23:50:08 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB7E62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 23:51:00 <Phazorx> hmm... actualy NM i think it is grf issue now 23:56:19 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd