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00:01:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> in mathematics it is especially used with functions that are not denoted by names, e.g. ||.|| for a norm, or <.,.> for a scalar product 00:01:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> without having the need to give a name for the parameter 00:02:26 *** simon888 [~sim@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:03:19 <aneb> um, i " "'d the parameters but its still not showing 00:03:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> in Haskell there's a similar construct, when you give _ on the left side of a definition, it means "ignore whatever parameter comes here" 00:03:35 <glx> say test 00:03:35 <glx> [Tous] : test 00:03:35 <glx> say test with space 00:03:35 <glx> - Chat to your fellow players in a multiplayer game. Usage: 'say "<msg>"' 00:03:35 <glx> say "test with space" 00:03:36 <glx> [Tous] : test with space 00:03:48 <glx> just tried in a dedi server console 00:04:28 <aneb> glx: ^ 00:05:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 00:05:15 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:07:24 <aneb> Eddi|zuHause2: ok... 00:07:44 <aneb> hmm no 00:07:50 <aneb> not it 00:08:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> aneb: wrong permissions for the .scr file? 00:08:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> or the dir? 00:08:52 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CEBA.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:05 *** simon444 [~sim@203-217-53-246.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:41 <glx> it may be easier to install openttd in ~/openttd 00:09:41 <TrueBrain> which tool can make a screenshot under KDE? 00:09:58 <glx> xsomething :) 00:10:04 <glx> or ksomething 00:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> ksnapshot 00:10:30 <TrueBrain> I thought ksnapshot 00:10:31 <TrueBrain> but.. 00:10:32 <TrueBrain> hmm 00:10:34 <TrueBrain> maybe just not installed 00:10:34 <TrueBrain> :p 00:10:49 <TrueBrain> tnx Eddi|zuHause2 00:11:03 <TrueBrain> darn, 0211 already.. 00:11:08 <TrueBrain> time goes fast when you are having fun 00:11:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> it opens automatically for me if i press the "print" key 00:15:03 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/32bpp_website.png 00:15:05 <TrueBrain> aint it pretty? 00:16:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf @ the heliport... :p 00:23:15 <TrueBrain> am I missing anything? 00:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it might be the normal graphics... i don't think i ever used them in TTD... i just find the picture strange... 00:24:44 <TrueBrain> oh, it is toyland 00:24:53 <TrueBrain> and I ment: do you think the website is missing anything? :) 00:24:53 <TrueBrain> hehe 00:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i think the "flat" tile is not actually flat, but a steep slope... 00:26:00 <TrueBrain> you are right, but that is content 00:26:03 <TrueBrain> I ment design :) 00:26:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't know much about design... 00:26:45 <TrueBrain> look at it 00:26:54 <TrueBrain> think what you would want from a website that shows 32bpp replacement graphics 00:26:57 <TrueBrain> look at it again 00:27:00 <TrueBrain> tell me what you miss 00:27:00 <TrueBrain> :p 00:28:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> a filter mechanism... like "show only my pictures", "show only pictures where i did not upload a picture", "show only pictures with no new picture" 00:28:29 <TrueBrain> k, noted 00:28:35 *** simon444 [~sim@203-217-53-246.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:29:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> "show new pictures since ## days" 00:29:15 <TrueBrain> but beside filters? 00:29:36 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-29-242.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:30:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> an "upload picture" button in every row maybe? 00:30:43 <TrueBrain> that will be per image I guess 00:30:50 <TrueBrain> not sure yet, as you might want to do some mass uploading 00:30:57 *** simon444 [~sim@203-217-53-246.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, that can be done at a different place... 00:31:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> and maybe some voting system 00:31:46 <aneb> OK... 00:31:48 <TrueBrain> ah, voting 00:31:50 <TrueBrain> that I forgot :) 00:35:05 *** simon888 [~sim@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:35 <aneb> dang it 00:42:41 <aneb> exec doesnt work. 00:43:27 <aneb> i type rcon <pw> "exec scripts/on_server_connect.scr 0" and it does not echo. 00:44:32 <aneb> at all 00:47:18 <aneb> ok, i tried 1 instead of 0 and it gives me a error 00:47:55 <aneb> that the script file isnt found 00:48:24 * Wezz6400 is still away. Reason: blaat - Current time: 02:48. (Since 01:48/August 8th) (Pager: on Log: on) 00:48:28 <aneb> guys 00:48:57 <TrueBrain> @kick Wezz6400 please disable ALL auto-away message blabla in this channel; tnx 00:48:57 *** Wezz6400 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [please disable ALL auto-away message blabla in this channel; tnx] 00:49:20 <aneb> TrueBrain: can you help? 00:49:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> aneb: checked the permissions? 00:50:10 <TrueBrain> aneb: nope 00:50:25 <aneb> Eddi|zuHause2: -rw-r--r-- 1 kyle kyle 264 2007-08-07 20:00 /usr/games/scripts/on_server_connect.scr 00:50:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the directory? 00:50:37 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 00:50:49 <Wezz6400> hmm sorry about that, configuration error 00:50:53 <TrueBrain> np :) 00:51:03 <aneb> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-08-07 19:24 scripts 00:51:11 <Wezz6400> stupid documentation isn't very clear 00:51:25 <Wezz6400> I figured it would only work on queries, but I guess channels are queries too :X 00:51:28 <TrueBrain> and oh, it gives me a good enjoyment to kick someone from time to time :) 00:52:00 <Wezz6400> lol 00:52:24 <Wezz6400> this is not even the only channel I was kicked from 00:52:41 <TrueBrain> :) I like all those channels which did kick you 00:53:48 <TrueBrain> I should document more what I do on my local computer 00:53:55 <TrueBrain> I can't even find the simplest things back :) 00:54:29 <aneb> Eddi|zuHause2: i gave the permissions. 00:55:16 <TrueBrain> ah, there it is :) 00:55:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> aneb: then i don't know any further either 00:55:35 <Wezz6400> blegh 00:55:43 <Wezz6400> that script is gone now 00:55:48 <Wezz6400> too much crap in there 00:57:42 <Wezz6400> hmm 00:58:09 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:58:21 <Wezz6400> I'm trying to write/get a script to display users which have set away in a different color, but the only way to do that seems to be to whois every single user, that can't be a good idea :X 00:58:45 <TrueBrain> my client does it automatic :) 00:58:50 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-121-209-213-29.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:58:56 <Wezz6400> yeah I know there are a couple that do that 01:00:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> mine does, too, but i think it does not update the status often enough 01:00:09 <Wezz6400> however running xchat on windows isn't free :\ 01:02:29 <Wezz6400> Eddi|zuHause2 what client do you use? 01:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> /ctcp version? 01:03:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i don't think that will help you any further for windows :p 01:03:31 <Wezz6400> hehe 01:04:18 <Wezz6400> I'm thinking about windows, but working on a game using C# and XNA (not my choice) that means that even then I'll be using windows for quite some time 01:04:25 <Wezz6400> thinking about linux* 01:08:08 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-121-209-210-213.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:11:29 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: brb] 01:12:00 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 01:13:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can run virtual windows :) 01:13:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> (might cause problem with anything running directx though... i'm not sure how far they are with that) 01:14:01 <Wezz6400> hmm well 01:14:16 <Wezz6400> being able to run Visual Studio Express would solve the problem mostly 01:17:56 <TrueBrain> 0317 01:17:57 <TrueBrain> hmm 01:18:01 <TrueBrain> I really should get some sleep I guess 01:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> some dev once mentioned to use visual studio in virtual windows 01:18:06 <Wezz6400> true 01:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> might have been darkvater 01:19:07 <Wezz6400> virtual dx isnt going to work, virtual machines only simulate simple graphics 01:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> that might just be a problem of using (writing) the right driver 01:20:43 <Wezz6400> hmm 01:21:04 <Wezz6400> a virtual machine simulates the hardware, you have to write a simulation of dx9 hardware to do that 01:21:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, a virtual machine does not simulate anything 01:22:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> it just replaces certain low level commands with higher level ones 01:22:54 <Wezz6400> hmm 01:23:02 <Wezz6400> that makes sense 01:23:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> at that point you can interfere to not replace commands that are meant for the graphics card, just route them through 01:23:25 <Wezz6400> but still, I don think advanced gpus have ever been properly virtualized 01:27:55 <Phazorx> it just replaces certain low level commands with higher level ones < that's "emulate" rather than "simulate" 01:29:13 <Phazorx> however DX wont work with approach for sure since that would eman rendering wil lbe done by software... OGL/A3D on the other hand - quitte possible 01:31:11 <Wezz6400> unfortunatly that doesn't help me much 01:31:25 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B773F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:34 <TrueBrain> hmm, importing 1000 images is SLOW! 01:33:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> get faster $GADGET 01:37:40 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74C63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:38 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:44:57 <TrueBrain> running an even bigger import 01:44:58 <TrueBrain> brrr 01:45:05 <TrueBrain> 8059 sprites... 01:45:10 <TrueBrain> that is what OpenTTD needs to work 01:48:23 <TrueBrain> 10 MiB worth of data when converting original grfs to PNGs 01:48:26 <TrueBrain> each one in a single file 01:48:53 <Wezz6400> :o 01:55:53 <TrueBrain> it is still running... 01:56:15 <Wezz6400> at 4 am :X 01:56:29 <TrueBrain> yeah, I really should find my bed 01:56:33 <TrueBrain> oh, it is right at my feet 01:56:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10825 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 01:56:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Feature: Airport subtype (prop 20) is now read. This restricts buildlist and usage of airports to the selected vehicle subtype. 01:56:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Added Seaplanes as new subtype for Airports; bit3=1, value 0x08. 01:56:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: TODO: add Seaplane subtype to aircraft; build, etc. 01:57:28 <TrueBrain> @calc 588800 / 8059 01:57:28 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 73.0611738429 01:57:33 <TrueBrain> 73 bytes per record 01:57:34 <TrueBrain> not bad 01:58:31 <Wezz6400> this is not good 01:58:51 <Wezz6400> it's friggin 4 am but still irc has enough people on to talk to 01:59:07 <TrueBrain> you know there is a whole other continent we call USA 01:59:42 <Wezz6400> I know, but I'm mostly talking to Dutch people 02:01:10 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/32bpp_website2.png 02:01:11 <TrueBrain> yeah babu 02:01:12 <TrueBrain> yeah baby 02:02:21 <Wezz6400> yiha ;) 02:07:34 <Wezz6400> hmm bed time 02:07:46 <TrueBrain> night Wezz6400 02:07:49 <Wezz6400> at least you're doing something usefull 02:07:57 <Wezz6400> I'm doing nothing :X 02:08:33 <Wezz6400> well nothing other than wrecking valuable time tomorrow which I should spend learning c++ and c#/xna :X 02:08:36 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/32bpp_website3.png 02:08:44 <TrueBrain> So, let's both go to bed 02:08:45 <TrueBrain> ngiht all! 02:08:54 <Wezz6400> a different bed though ;) 02:08:58 <Wezz6400> :w 02:09:04 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: bbl :)] 02:09:04 <TrueBrain> Please, let it be a different bed!! 02:10:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10826 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/ (saveload.cpp station_cmd.cpp): [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Added save of FSMport_flood_protected. 02:34:40 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:34:48 <simon444> tatada 02:34:59 <simon444> openteeteedee 02:45:57 *** jfc [~jfc@ip-58.40.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 02:48:23 *** jfc [~jfc@ip-58.40.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [] 02:50:42 *** Sacro 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the range 3979:3982 08:44:13 <Noldo> ok,should be good 08:44:34 <Ammler> the firewall settings are made in the control panel 08:45:26 <Ammler> behind it is iptables 08:46:10 <Ammler> hmm, maybe someone of you know server4you? or how such virtual server systems work? Are there any known problems? 08:46:27 <TrueBrain> why would there? 08:47:11 <Ammler> I took recommend settings for usual web/mail server and added only these 2 rulesets 08:50:30 <DaleStan> Who's in charge of DorpsGek? I don't believe that's the correct spelling of "advsertise", regardless of which side of the pond you're on. 08:53:28 <Ammler> http://www.imgbox.de/?img=m1416z242.png 08:53:46 <Ammler> someone able to see something wrong here ^^^? 08:55:46 <Ammler> btw, web is still possible 08:56:39 <Ammler> hmm, maybe, there is an other problem 08:57:07 <Ammler> its the autopilot from brianetta, does it also need a open port? 08:58:39 <Ammler> yep, the server is still on the public list, (why didn't I found it before? :/ stupid me 08:59:01 <Farden> if you're talking about the openTTDcoop public server, i'm on it 08:59:10 <Ammler> no, I don't 08:59:15 <Farden> ok 08:59:27 <Ammler> this server are on brianettas box 09:00:48 <Ammler> the irc bridge of brianetta's autopilot works as client, does it need a special open port anyway? If yes, which? 09:01:01 *** johnsonp [~paul@87-194-114-100.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:02:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> IRC usually only needs outgoing connections 09:06:54 <Ammler> hmm, tried to make telnet connection to oftc.net on port 6667, doesn't work on the server 09:08:01 <Ammler> outpound connection is allow 09:08:17 <Ammler> b 09:09:36 <Ammler> I'm able to connect i.e. port 25 on an other server 09:09:52 <Ammler> possible that "upper" ports are closed? 09:11:41 *** johnsonp [~paul@87-194-114-100.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 09:12:29 *** johnsonp [~paul@87-194-114-100.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:15:35 *** sniper6kk6 [~morpheus3@host32-140-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:16:08 *** sniper6kk6 [~morpheus3@host32-140-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #openttd [] 09:17:59 <Ammler> jipii, open port 6667 for remote did help, but I'm still a liitle bit confuse... 09:20:01 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C7E6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:23:23 *** simon888 [~simon@203-217-53-246.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:26:02 *** sniper6kk6 [~morpheus3@host32-140-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:27:31 *** sniper6kk6 [~morpheus3@host32-140-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #openttd [] 09:30:00 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:43:50 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53:05 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:53:12 <TrueBrain> hi Nickman 09:53:18 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/32bpp_website.png 09:53:19 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/32bpp_website2.png 09:53:21 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/32bpp_website3.png 09:54:52 <hylje> microprose logo is somewhat corny 09:55:01 <Nickman> hi TrueBrain ;) I'll take a look 09:56:23 <Nickman> looks good, you already made that piece? :) 09:56:51 <TrueBrain> that is finished, yes 09:57:06 <TrueBrain> I am toying around with a new framework to build websites on, and I thought I could best try it on something real 09:57:15 <Nickman> but if like 10 users submit a new helipad image, the page will be streched alot won't it? :) 09:57:25 <TrueBrain> Yup 09:57:27 <Nickman> what kind of framework? 09:57:34 <TrueBrain> Django 09:57:49 <TrueBrain> design-wise it needs work, that's for sure 09:58:11 <Nickman> yeah :D 09:59:56 <hylje> layout or daa wise? 10:00:01 <hylje> data 10:00:07 <TrueBrain> layout 10:00:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> looking-pretty-wise :) 10:01:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have a feeling that prepending words with "-wise" is a "germanism" :p 10:01:28 *** louisa [~lou@cpc3-leds4-0-0-cust355.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:01:46 <louisa> hello :) 10:01:49 <hylje> -wiselayout ? 10:01:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> err... 10:02:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> wrong word 10:02:22 <hylje> append :) 10:03:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> annex :) 10:04:42 <Nickman> Maybe if you see that the page is going to be streched way to long, you could make a simple javascript to let the users open or close certain tiles? 10:04:52 <TrueBrain> Nickman: easy to add 10:04:59 <Nickman> like, you place a simple text : "There are 15 user submissions" 10:05:07 <Nickman> and when they want to see them they have to click it ;) 10:05:16 <TrueBrain> and maybe show the one with the best score 10:05:19 <Nickman> yeah :) 10:05:22 <Nickman> indeed ;) 10:05:32 <TrueBrain> all very easy possible 10:05:37 <Nickman> But that can be added afterwards ofcource :) 10:05:43 <TrueBrain> that is just templating, so 10:05:47 <Nickman> indeed :) 10:06:52 <Nickman> now you need a voting system ;) 10:06:57 <TrueBrain> already done in fact 10:07:07 <Nickman> Will visitors be able to vote or only registered ones? 10:07:08 <Nickman> :D 10:07:09 <TrueBrain> you just can't give the vote, neither can you upload 10:07:14 <Nickman> hehe :D 10:07:15 <TrueBrain> only registered ones 10:07:22 <TrueBrain> inf act, you can only see the original PNGs if you are logged in 10:07:36 <Nickman> good :) 10:07:44 <TrueBrain> as on register, you sign that you have the original TT, and thereby are allowed to view the PNGs 10:07:46 <Nickman> I'm off to lunch now, be back in a short while ;) 10:07:53 <TrueBrain> as in theory it is kind of illegal to just post them :p 10:08:02 <Nickman> good thinking ;) 10:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> i already wondered how you work your way around that one :p 10:10:09 <TrueBrain> my way isn't legal too I guess, but at least I tried 10:11:06 <Noldo> make some javascript magic that uses local data files to show the pictures ;) 10:11:13 <TrueBrain> hylje: do you have a good login/logout/profile plugin? 10:11:21 <TrueBrain> I found a few on the web, but you might have a better one? :p 10:11:44 <TrueBrain> Noldo: they are extracted, no way javascript is ever going able to do that 10:11:50 <TrueBrain> bad english, bah 10:14:17 <hylje> TrueBrain: ive got a homebrew one. 10:14:47 <TrueBrain> ah, k, so nevermind :) 10:14:48 <TrueBrain> tnx :) 10:16:35 <hylje> ;) 10:20:10 <TrueBrain> I can't seem to get login to work :( 10:20:12 <TrueBrain> poor me 10:21:37 <hylje> i recall having problems with that too 10:23:03 <TrueBrain> at least the admin sees that I am logged in :p 10:23:36 <hylje> then login works but your stuff doesnt 10:23:38 <hylje> ;) 10:23:56 <TrueBrain> it tells me that {{ user.username }} should work in templates, without any other code 10:23:57 <TrueBrain> :( 10:24:07 <hylje> yes, it should 10:24:20 <hylje> make sure you have auth middleware active 10:24:25 <hylje> on that request 10:24:36 <TrueBrain> is by default 10:25:23 *** proller [http@cdma-149-97-179.msk.skylink.ru] has joined #openttd 10:25:45 <hylje> also context processors and RequestContext 10:26:07 <TrueBrain> the docs say they are enabled by default, even if they aren't in settings.py 10:26:35 <hylje> yes. but if you render the page without RequestContext context processors dont kick in 10:27:09 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:27:27 <TrueBrain> they are supposed to make it easier :) 10:27:38 <hylje> django still has gotchas 10:27:57 <TrueBrain> clearly :) 10:27:58 <TrueBrain> tnx hylje :) 10:28:11 <proller> svn + cygwnn = linker error 8( 10:28:33 <TrueBrain> now it works, yeah! 10:31:34 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0765DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:31:53 <TrueBrain> proller: you really have to give a tiny bit more information before anyone starts to help you 10:35:34 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:35:58 *** Gekkko` [~Gekkko@121.217.13.123] has joined #openttd 10:38:09 <Nickman> TrueBrain, that is why I don't use any CMS :) 10:38:25 <TrueBrain> Nickman: who talked about CMS? 10:39:00 <Nickman> That funny framework you are using? 10:39:15 <TrueBrain> it isn't really a CMS 10:39:28 <Nickman> ah 10:39:37 <Nickman> what kind of framework is it then? 10:39:49 <TrueBrain> it is a framework :) Hehe 10:40:16 <Nickman> :D 10:40:41 <hylje> it provides facilities you're going to need anyway 10:40:48 <hylje> and thats it 10:41:03 <TrueBrain> and either you already made a framework that gives you the thinks they provide, or you are duplicating it every time 10:42:20 <Nickman> ;) 10:42:30 *** simon888 [~simon@203-217-53-246.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:32 <simon444> thing 10:42:36 <simon444> not thinks 10:42:41 <simon444> silly man 10:46:20 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5547.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:18 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6A4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:24 <Nickman> so, now we need guidelines and we will be into buisiness? :D 10:49:03 <TrueBrain> yup 10:49:23 <hylje> :o 10:49:30 <Nickman> w000t :D 11:01:49 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7FD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:43 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DED4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:56 <TrueBrain> and now it is time to play a little game 11:07:58 <TrueBrain> Just Cause 11:07:58 <TrueBrain> yeah! 11:08:10 <hylje> :o 11:08:14 <Nickman> wich game? ;) 11:09:21 <TrueBrain> Just Cause 11:09:32 <hylje> how punny 11:10:09 <Nickman> hehe 11:10:11 <Nickman> hf ;) 11:11:06 <Nickman> I'm gonna reboot ;) 11:11:12 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 11:16:24 <hylje> now devs can review patches' prowess 11:17:57 <Maedhros> prowess? 11:18:35 <hylje> quality 11:19:21 <Maedhros> ah. prowess probably wasn't the word you wanted then :) 11:19:35 <hylje> it can be expressed in more than one wa 11:19:36 <hylje> y 11:19:47 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:19:53 <Nickman> back ;) 11:21:12 <Maedhros> prowess is a form of skill that people have rather than a quality 11:21:46 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0765DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:06 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0765DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:22:45 <TrueBrain> hmm, I wish OpenTTD had good PBS :p 11:23:04 *** johnsonp [~paul@87-194-114-100.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:08 <Maedhros> you're not the only one :) 11:23:25 <Nickman> hehe :D 11:23:30 <Nickman> make it? :D 11:23:38 <hylje> great, two devs annoyed by the lack of PBS 11:23:43 <Nickman> I would like to make patches but the code it very vague to me :D 11:24:00 <TrueBrain> Nickman: in fact, coding the PBS wouldn't be the problem, coming up with a good design plan is 11:24:07 <Nickman> ;) 11:24:37 <Nickman> any good progress on the NoAI branch BTW? 11:25:30 <TrueBrain> not recently 11:25:33 <TrueBrain> but ships are done 11:25:59 <Nickman> ;) 11:26:09 <Nickman> My AI can build busroutes :p 11:26:49 *** lalaaaaa [~dfgdfg@77.64.52.223] has joined #openttd 11:27:25 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 11:27:27 <TrueBrain> this channel now is one very happy person richer 11:27:33 <TrueBrain> Nickman: yeah! 11:27:41 <Nickman> hehe :D 11:31:22 <TrueBrain> so what other great awesome feature should we add... 11:32:02 *** lalaaaaa [~dfgdfg@77.64.52.223] has quit [autokilled: Do not spam other people. Mail support@oftc.net if you feel this is in error. (2007-08-08 11:32:02)] 11:32:22 <TrueBrain> and the happyness was autokilled 11:40:38 <Nickman> hehe 11:42:47 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6A4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 11:44:10 <Ammler> Is the goal of the selfmade-ai, that you can play a MP game and when you have to go (work, etc.), you can acitvate your ai? 11:44:22 <TrueBrain> not the goal at all 11:44:25 <TrueBrain> but it should be possible 11:44:35 <Nickman> sounds cool though... :) 11:44:50 <Ammler> its like chees computers 11:45:03 <Ammler> who makes the best ai 11:45:37 <Ammler> hmm, not chees, chess 11:46:42 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-136-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:49:06 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:49:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:52:06 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-111-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:22 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 11:58:28 <TrueBrain> pompiedom 12:01:40 <eekee> ba-dom 12:05:23 *** johnsonp [~paul@87-194-114-100.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:12:24 *** Gekkko` [~Gekkko@121.217.13.123] has quit [Quit: http://bbqsrc.org] 12:21:38 *** johnsonp [~paul@87-194-114-100.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:28:41 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-100.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:37:29 *** lugo [~lugo@pD95805AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:02 <Nickman> so... 12:44:24 <Noldo> diipadaapa 12:45:04 <Noldo> work coding isn't that motivating when you are waiting to get home to freetime code 12:45:41 <Nickman> lol :d 12:47:03 <eekee> heh 12:53:33 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 12:53:49 <hylje> hmm 12:54:26 <hylje> developer-privileged people could now thumbs-up or thumbs-down the patch properties 12:55:01 <hylje> but there's no in between except before any choice is made 12:55:04 <hylje> should there be? 12:56:31 <eekee> hmmm 12:56:47 <hylje> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/review/layout.html 12:56:56 <hylje> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/review/details.txt 12:57:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:57:38 *** Ronin|afk [~Frederik@c51444912.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:57:44 <Ronin|afk> aloha 12:57:55 <eekee> allo 12:58:38 <Ronin|afk> is there a faq somewhere with advanced multiplayer help? I have a game, which is listed on the servers page : (http://www.openttd.org/servers.php) but my friends cant see it ingame 12:59:20 <glx> so they have a problem :) 12:59:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8083A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:00 <Ronin|afk> they have a problem? 13:00:08 <Ronin|afk> If I open a 2nd instance of the game I cant see it myself either 13:00:09 <Ronin|afk> heh 13:00:32 <glx> if your server is in the servers page then it is correctly configured 13:01:01 <glx> are your friends in the same network as you ? 13:01:08 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0765DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:13 <Ronin|afk> nope 13:01:28 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0765DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:01:53 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-29-242.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:01:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:02:16 <glx> can they see other servers? 13:02:47 <Ronin|afk> yep they can 13:02:48 <Ronin|afk> its just me 13:03:11 <Ronin|afk> could someone maybe try if they find it? Cluster29_Ronin 13:03:12 <Ronin|afk> its called 13:04:57 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-43-32.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:06:08 <glx> 85.144.36.117 ? 13:06:24 <Ronin|afk> nope 13:06:38 <Ronin|afk> 81.68.73.18 13:06:54 <Wezz6400> Ronin|afk: are you sure they have the same version of openttd? 13:07:03 <Ronin|afk> yes 13:07:07 <glx> that's the only Cluster29 I can see 13:07:17 <Ronin|afk> see more people have the problem 13:07:28 <Ronin|afk> I have the same version as Cluster29 one 13:12:17 <glx> that's weird I can see it even if I add its IP 13:13:05 <Ronin|afk> you can 13:13:06 <Ronin|afk> ? 13:13:18 <Ronin|afk> thats weird 13:13:22 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:25 <Ronin|afk> because with a 2nd instance of the game 13:13:27 <Ronin|afk> I can't see it! 13:13:31 <Ronin|afk> and that must be the same version :/ 13:13:44 <glx> I can't sorry :) 13:14:13 <glx> Rubidium, TrueBrain: how can this happen ? 13:14:31 <glx> the server is visible on the server page, but not ingame 13:15:52 <Rubidium> he allows connections from the masterserver and not from the others 13:16:25 <Ronin|afk> how did I do that? 13:16:25 <Ronin|afk> heh 13:18:23 *** Farden123 [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has joined #openttd 13:19:49 <Wezz6400> check your firewall configuration I guess 13:20:09 <Ronin|afk> well I forwarded the openttd port 13:20:27 <TrueBrain> I have it in my list 13:20:37 <TrueBrain> oh wait 13:20:38 <TrueBrain> lol 13:20:43 <TrueBrain> Ronin|afk: change your servername 13:20:52 <Ronin|afk> ? 13:21:06 <TrueBrain> just for the fun of it :) 13:23:31 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7FD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 13:24:48 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:48 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 13:25:19 *** lugo [~lugo@pD95805AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:44 <Ronin|afk> I renamed it TrueBrain 13:26:11 <hylje> you evil person 13:26:35 <TrueBrain> UDP seems blocked from all but MasterServer 13:27:08 <TrueBrain> my client can't see you for example 13:28:35 <Ronin|afk> hmm 13:28:40 <Ronin|afk> and what can I do about it? 13:28:47 <TrueBrain> configure your firewall correctly 13:30:06 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:08 <Ronin|afk> yeh im not the firewall expert heh 13:30:13 <Ronin|afk> is there anyone who could help me with that 13:30:31 <Ronin|afk> I just forwarded the 3979 port via UDP and TCP to my IP in the network 13:30:35 <Ronin|afk> and I thought thats all you have to do :/ 13:30:42 <TrueBrain> it should 13:30:52 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 13:32:12 <Wezz6400> sounds like you have configured your router well, but did you think of any firewall on your pc? 13:34:47 *** Ronin|afk2 [~Frederik@c51444912.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:34:52 <Ronin|afk2> oki back 13:35:27 <Ronin|afk2> sorry, I dont know who asked, but my pc firewall is shut down 13:36:30 <Ronin|afk2> hm 13:36:35 <glx> and I can see you :) 13:36:55 <TrueBrain> glx: also in the gamelist? 13:37:07 <glx> yes it is in the game list 13:37:16 <Ronin|afk2> oh 13:37:17 <Ronin|afk2> coolio 13:37:18 <TrueBrain> I have 81.68.73.18 13:37:29 <TrueBrain> SERVER OFFLINE 13:37:47 <glx> it's online here 13:38:04 <TrueBrain> so who knows what the problem is.. 13:38:36 <Ronin|afk2> its offline if I try to join it myself 13:38:39 *** Ronin|afk [~Frederik@c51444912.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:16 <glx> that may be your router, try to join the local IP 13:40:29 <Ronin|afk2> oh I can see it too no 13:40:35 <Ronin|afk2> I havent changed anything :/ 13:43:26 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 13:44:08 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-43-32.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:01 *** dihedral [~nathanael@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 13:52:13 <dihedral> hi 13:55:05 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178214052.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:02:53 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:03:38 *** Ronin|afk2 [~Frederik@c51444912.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 14:07:23 <aneb> glx: i had the same problem as Ronin, maybe his router doesnt support loopback 14:09:41 *** simon888 [~simon@203-217-53-246.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:11:48 *** Niki- [~niki@p5090B76E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:14:13 *** proller [http@cdma-149-97-179.msk.skylink.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:35 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:41 <Niki-> hi 14:18:17 <Rubidium> hi 14:18:18 <Nickman> hi 14:18:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10827 /trunk/src/oldpool.h: -Fix [FS#1112]: out of bounds access in corner case of list allocations of vehicles. 14:19:45 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:56 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 14:26:21 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:04 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178214052.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:24 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 14:33:54 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@5ac91ade.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:34:45 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178194018.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:36:05 *** EmiT [~Miranda@194-176-150-82.gw.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:44:05 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:49 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178194018.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:18 *** Taebs [~madmichim@BAA39bd.baa.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 14:50:41 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:52 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178213086.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:56:10 <Taebs> mhhh i have again a question ^^ 14:56:36 <Taebs> how to open/start a map, with a seed? --> dedicated server 14:57:18 <glx> set the seed in cfg 14:57:25 <glx> or openttd -D -G seed 14:57:32 <Taebs> wich command? 14:57:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> openttd -h 14:57:55 <Taebs> and when the server is already on and i will start a new map? 14:58:07 <Taebs> ... mom i will try it ^^ 14:58:20 <peter1138> your mum needs to know? 14:58:31 <Taebs> moment = 14:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's a quite common abbreviation in german... 15:01:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> 8bpp-simple: 8bpp Simple Blitter (relative slow, but never wrong) <<-- shouldn't that be "relatively"? 15:02:17 <peter1138> yes 15:02:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> do i have to file a bugreport? :p 15:10:39 <Tlustoch> How do I check if list<int> already has some int in it? 15:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> size, length, whatever? 15:11:47 <Taebs> i dont understand it O.o 15:12:01 <Taebs> example? 15:12:29 <Ammller> openttd: /home/ottdcoop/svn-public/src/oldpool.h:113: T* OldMemoryPool<T>::Get(uint) const [with T = Vehicle]: Assertion `index < this->GetSize()' failed. 15:12:35 <Tlustoch> I mean if I have some int in the list<int>, how do I check if the int is already in the list? 15:12:40 <Ammller> with nightly r10814 15:13:29 <Maedhros> Ammller: looks like Rubidium fixed that one in r10872 15:13:52 *** proller [~http@80-240-220-115.dnat.migtel.ru] has joined #openttd 15:14:31 <Ammller> Maedhros: do you mean 27? 15:14:35 <Ammller> !openttd commit 15:14:36 <_42_> Commit by rubidium :: r10827 /trunk/src/oldpool.h (2007-08-08 14:18:05 UTC) 15:14:38 <_42_> -Fix [FS#1112]: out of bounds access in corner case of list allocations of vehicles. 15:16:08 *** eJoJ [~eJoJ-@117.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: I am going away] 15:17:34 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has joined #openttd 15:19:35 <Maedhros> err, yes 15:20:50 *** Taebs [~madmichim@BAA39bd.baa.pppool.de] has quit [Quit:  :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» ::] 15:31:08 *** proller [~http@80-240-220-115.dnat.migtel.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:21 *** proller [~http@80-240-220-115.dnat.migtel.ru] has joined #openttd 15:39:51 <Ammller> hmm, why does already replaced trains still go to depot on autoreplace? 15:44:20 <Ammller> take it back, now it works, strange... 15:45:15 <Rubidium> because the trains are "just" being serviced instead of autoreplaced 15:49:03 <Ammller> Rubidium: thats usually of 15:49:06 <Ammller> f 15:49:11 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-216-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:49:40 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178213086.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:24 <aneb> is there a better way to talk to all, like / ? 15:55:50 <Ammller> I know its 3. time today im asking that, but is the client limit just a hardcoded const where could be rised easily or is there much developement needed, we couldn't patch it self 15:58:02 *** lugo [~lugo@pD9580DF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:20 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0765DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:42 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0765DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:13 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0765DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammller: i am pretty certain that it will not be done in any nightly in the near future, so you should change it yourself and compile 16:08:44 <Ammller> Eddi|zuHause3: we tried but couldn't 16:08:57 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0765DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:09:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> you couldn't what? compile? edit? it didn't work? 16:09:52 <Ammller> make the patch 16:10:42 <Ammller> I didn't find the part where this limit is managed 16:13:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> how about this line? src/network/network.h:41:#define MAX_CLIENTS (MAX_PLAYERS + 3) 16:14:02 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-206-72.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 16:16:52 <Ammller> Eddi|zuHause3: Do you think, it has to be done for every client or is patching server enough? 16:17:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> it has to be done for every client 16:17:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> that was already said multiple times 16:17:41 <Ammller> yeah, and why is it not possible to change just one little line for nightly? 16:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> because it is nothing short of a "hack" 16:18:29 <glx> hmm this #define explain why you can have 11 clients I think :) 16:19:00 <Ammller> 8+3 16:19:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, there must be some other thing that limits the amount that you can choose in the network dialog 16:20:41 <Noldo> Release doesn't have asserts? 16:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> correct 16:21:13 <Noldo> great 16:21:26 *** _marc-andre_ [~marc-andr@88-136-130-80.adslgp.cegetel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> asserts are for development 16:24:08 <glx> but if something asserts while debugging, it's to prevent it to do "the wrong thing" 16:26:48 <Noldo> an AI that builds everything and more generally cause all commands to be sent would be quite usefull now 16:28:31 <Noldo> hmm the diff is 50K :/ 16:29:24 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-216-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:34 *** Wezz6400 is now known as Wezz6400|afk 16:34:51 <Ammller> glx: we have max_players (companies) set to 1 16:35:14 <glx> but MAX_PLAYERS is still 8 :) 16:35:21 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:26 <Ammller> whats that: openttd: /home/ottdcoop/svn-public/src/oldpool.h:113: T* OldMemoryPool<T>::Get(uint) const [with T = Vehicle]: Assertion `index < this->GetSize()' failed. 16:37:31 <Ammller> sry 16:37:44 <Ammller> wrong c&p 16:37:48 <Noldo> :) 16:38:11 <Ammller> I mean that: #define MAX_INTERFACES 9 16:39:04 <Noldo> where's that? 16:39:29 <Ammller> network.h row 47 16:45:07 <Noldo> it's the max number of network interfaces that openttd will understand on WIN32 16:47:24 <Ammller> Noldo: what has it to do with network? 16:48:45 <Noldo> if the computer running openttd has more than 9 network cards or things that the os sees as network cards only the first 9 can be broadcasted to 16:49:11 <Ammller> ah, ok 16:49:32 <Ammller> nothing to do with max clients :) 16:49:41 <Noldo> no 16:53:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:55:01 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064020.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:36 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@5ac91ade.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]] 17:00:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host162-223-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:01:23 <Wolf01> hello 17:02:02 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@5ac91ade.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:02:51 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A48B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:55 <rav> hi wolf 17:06:52 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:10:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:11:08 <aneb> that's weird, i do 5 sentence e-mails compulsively 17:11:14 <aneb> and only 5 17:11:16 <wolfy> :) 17:11:22 *** wolfy is now known as Wolfensteijn 17:11:26 <hylje> weird indeed 17:12:26 <aneb> well, in this email i wrote, i mistakely did a period in the middle of a logical sentence 17:22:58 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:23:00 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C7E6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:25:28 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has joined #openttd 17:25:58 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:26:08 *** Wezz6400|afk is now known as Wezz6400 17:26:21 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@5ac91ade.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]] 17:27:10 *** HMage [Queneex@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:27:24 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-213-249-178-152.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:27:26 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-213-249-178-152.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:27:52 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C7E6.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:51 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:29:09 *** HMage [Queneex@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:23 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:46 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:37:16 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:38 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 17:40:13 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:42:58 *** louisa [~lou@cpc3-leds4-0-0-cust355.leed.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd [] 17:44:13 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C7E6.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:05 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:28 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 17:58:01 *** KUDr_afk [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 17:58:36 *** KUDr is now known as Guest171 17:58:36 *** KUDr_afk is now known as KUDr 18:00:51 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:02:33 *** Guest171 [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:07 *** Mark [~Mark@86.84.7.53] has joined #openttd 18:12:06 <Ammller> maybe you can help, I checkout trunk to local openttd-svn 18:12:28 <Ammller> then I copied and reanmed it to openttd-patched 18:12:42 <Ammller> but now I can compile it anymore 18:13:18 <Ammller> german: 18:13:18 <Ammller> make[1]: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Target »/home/ottdc/bin/publicserver/src/yapf/yapf_ship.cpp«, 18:13:18 <Ammller> benötigt von »yapf/yapf_ship.d«, zu erstellen. Schluss. 18:13:54 <Ammller> !s/can/can't/ 18:14:16 <Ammller> and it was publicserver not openttd-svn :/ 18:14:29 <Maedhros> what does the error say in english? 18:15:00 <Ammller> no rule here to the target... 18:15:05 <Rubidium> Ammller: ./configure --reconfig 18:17:20 <Ammller> Rubidium: didn't help 18:17:47 <Rubidium> ./configure then 18:18:24 <Ammller> hmm, still 18:18:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C7E6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:19:09 <Ammller> copy a checkout was possible in past, wasn't? 18:19:29 <Rubidium> yes 18:19:38 <skidd13> Ammller: tried make mrproper before? 18:19:39 <Rubidium> but now you have to reconfigure when you've done it 18:20:14 <Ammller> but that won't work by me 18:20:50 <Rubidium> then you must've done something wrong 18:20:56 <Rubidium> like running configure in the wrong directory 18:20:57 <hylje> hmm 18:21:13 <Ammller> i renamed the directory back and now make works 18:22:21 <Ammller> Rubidium: you mean, if I running configure after renaming withou --reconfig 18:23:31 <Rubidium> both with and without --reconfig work correctly for me. 18:24:04 <Ammller> hmm, I have not the current trunk 18:24:10 <Ammller> was r10814 18:24:50 <Rubidium> it has worked correctly since like r7500 or so 18:33:14 <Ammller> hmm, now I know, why you don't like to rise the limit, its not as easy... 18:38:19 <Rubidium> did we ever say it was easy? 18:41:17 <Noldo> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1114 so there it is 18:46:50 <Ammller> the fact, that we had 11 clients told me that :) 18:47:23 *** aneb [~kyle@d235-141-30.home1.cgocable.net] has left #openttd [] 18:48:20 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:56:20 *** simon888 is now known as simon444 18:57:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [icebears... take care of them!] 18:58:10 <simon444> bye 19:00:19 *** Red [SeXyRed@24.197.192.218] has joined #openttd 19:01:33 *** simon444 [~simon@203-217-53-246.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:05:53 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 19:10:00 <glx> Ammller: rm *.d 19:11:22 <Ammller> gfx, I have no files like that 19:12:10 <glx> [20:13:21] <Ammller> make[1]: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Target »/home/ottdc/bin/publicserver/src/yapf/yapf_ship.cpp«, 19:12:10 <glx> [20:13:21] <Ammller> benötigt von »yapf/yapf_ship.d«, zu erstellen. Schluss. 19:12:10 <glx> ^^ says you have :) 19:12:33 <glx> I can't remember where they are as I use makedepend 19:12:51 <Ammller> make mrproper 19:12:54 <Ammller> did help 19:13:06 <glx> it removed deps :) 19:22:07 *** johnsonp [~paul@87-194-114-100.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:25:14 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 19:27:22 *** Wezz6400 is now known as Wezz6400|afk 19:27:39 *** eJoJ [~eJoJ-@117.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:30:10 *** johnsonp [~paul@87-194-114-100.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:32 <hylje> still to ponder how to retain fixthises among patch versions 19:30:43 <hylje> line numbers break when new version comes 19:31:50 <Ammller> I found a line at settings.cpp (1288) with max_clients 19:32:13 <glx> that's the thing in openttd.cfg 19:32:45 <hylje> grep -R max_clients . 19:32:46 <Ammller> if I set max_clients in openttd.cfg to 15, it will be corrected with it down 19:33:12 <Ammller> hylje: htx :) 19:33:32 <hylje> yw 19:34:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80614.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:34:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:34:06 <glx> ..., 10, 0, 10,... <-- yes default, min, max 19:34:43 <Ammller> so, I have to change that and the hack from Truelight in cmd 19:36:45 *** eJoJ [~eJoJ-@117.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: I am going away] 19:38:04 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@117.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:38:32 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:42:05 *** Mark [~Mark@86.84.7.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:10 *** exe [~dgf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 19:45:30 *** proller [~http@80-240-220-115.dnat.migtel.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:45 *** proller [~http@80-240-220-115.dnat.migtel.ru] has joined #openttd 19:47:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80614.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:49:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:55:45 *** Mark [~Mark@86.84.7.53] has joined #openttd 19:56:47 <Ammller> 11 clients is no problem with unpatched clients 19:57:05 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a05.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:57:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:00:28 *** exe [~dgf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 20:03:05 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:04:28 <Ammller> http://mozart.ammler.ch/ottdc/ClientLimitsTo20_r10814.diff 20:05:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:05:28 <Rubidium> Ammller: *any* idea in how many places that is going to crash? 20:05:38 <Ammller> :) no 20:05:48 <Rubidium> have fun :) 20:06:08 <glx> Ammller: MAX_PLAYER must stay unchanged :) 20:07:49 <Ammller> ok 20:10:35 <Rubidium> glx: I like Ammller's version better 20:11:08 <Rubidium> I've always wanted to have a user controlable player for towns, none and water ;) 20:11:31 <Ammller> don't laugh about me :) 20:11:35 *** Strid [gg@85.8.6.64.se.wasadata.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:19 <Rubidium> I'm not laughing, I just wondered how much you've tested of your patch 20:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Wer den Schaden hat, braucht fÃŒr den Spott nicht zu sorgen." 20:13:06 <Ammller> Rubidium: not much yet 20:13:28 <Ammller> just connected 11 times with my own client 20:14:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> and what happens with the 12th? 20:14:47 <Ammller> I connected with unpatched version :) 20:15:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, and i want to know what actually happens :) 20:16:50 <Ammller> compiling 20:19:14 *** Strid_ [gg@85.8.6.64.se.wasadata.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:03 <Ammller> http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=7083 20:23:13 <Ammller> or join #Ammler 20:24:31 <Bjarni> interesting diff 20:24:53 <Bjarni> with some more work, it could end up working 20:24:53 <Rubidium> Bjarni: interesting in what way? 20:25:03 *** thestrontium90 [~hulf@dslb-088-068-138-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:09 <Bjarni> but that would be *alot* of work 20:25:13 <Bjarni> have fun :p 20:25:29 <Rubidium> ooh... strontium ;) 20:25:30 <Ammller> 12 clients now 20:25:33 <thestrontium90> hej buenas dias, may i pose a question? 20:25:42 <thestrontium90> ui rubidium, another element 20:26:19 <Rubidium> thestrontium90: you already posed a question 20:26:27 <Bjarni> yeah, this channel is full of elements 20:26:31 <thestrontium90> pardon me 20:26:39 <Ammller> Rubidium: what can I do? Whats going wrong? 20:26:42 <Bjarni> like Eddi|zuHause3 is an element of evil 20:26:44 <Bjarni> :p 20:26:48 <thestrontium90> ;p 20:27:29 <thestrontium90> i want to play openttd with my mate over internet and i cant find his server... we already tried dedicated server and opened the ports but nothing o.o 20:27:39 <Bjarni> <thestrontium90> hej buenas dias, may i pose a question? <-- this is a question, so you already asked one 20:27:51 <thestrontium90> yes i got tha, pardon me for that :D 20:29:08 <glx> can you see the server in http://servers.openttd.org ? 20:29:13 * Eddi|zuHause3 makes another mark on the list of totally useless highlights 20:29:16 <thestrontium90> oh wait i will check out 20:29:55 <Rubidium> @openttd port thestrontium90 20:29:56 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Invalid arguments for port. 20:30:00 <Rubidium> @openttd port 20:30:01 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 20:30:10 <Rubidium> thestrontium90: did you forward those? 20:30:16 <glx> !opentt port thestrontium90 20:30:21 <glx> !opentt ports thestrontium90 20:30:28 <glx> !openttd port thestrontium90 20:30:30 <_42_> glx: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound) 20:30:47 <glx> hey I though _42_ did redirect 20:30:55 <Rubidium> apparantly it doesn't 20:31:10 * Rubidium slaps TrueBrain ... fix bot! 20:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> these stupid bots :p 20:31:30 <Bjarni> yeah 20:31:38 <thestrontium90> i mean he can connect to his own server, wich is clear, i can connect to every other server available and he even totally disactivated all ports :( so we dont know further 20:31:49 <Bjarni> they can't be made smarter than the coder... which is kind of a big issue 20:32:03 <thestrontium90> his server aint in the list trontium90 20:32:03 <thestrontium90> <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Invalid a 20:32:29 <Rubidium> did he "enable" advertising? 20:32:45 <thestrontium90> yes certainly, it says in the FAQ we read em at first 20:33:28 <Bjarni> did you try to use "add server" and type in his IP? 20:33:29 <Rubidium> not showing at servers.openttd.org basically means one of two things: advertising is not enabled or the network is not configured properly 20:33:34 <hylje> oh well. for those interested in what a future patch review utility may work like, see http://opr.hylje.fi/ 20:33:40 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:34:15 <Rubidium> Bjarni: if advertising doesn't work it is more than likely direct connect doesn't work either as it uses the exact same ports to get information 20:34:48 <Bjarni> good point 20:35:19 *** proller [~http@80-240-220-115.dnat.migtel.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:20 <NukeBuster> @hylje : in the Opera browser the text is running trough eachother 20:35:30 <thestrontium90> i tried typing his IP, and i always get 'servidor apagao' as result 20:35:39 <thestrontium90> server shut down 20:35:57 <hylje> NukeBuster: yeah i see it in certain widths 20:36:30 <NukeBuster> @hylje: perhaps declare a doctype? 20:36:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:59 <hylje> o sheesh 20:37:07 <hylje> i'm a developer, not a designer 20:37:19 <Bjarni> thestrontium90: ok, then you should double check the port forwarding. It looks like the join request is stopped at the router 20:37:44 <NukeBuster> well... i'm not a designer but i know Opera and Firefox like doctype declarations. 20:37:44 <Bjarni> and funny enough, the router doesn't host any games ;) 20:37:57 <thestrontium90> OK you mean his router may be misconfiged? 20:38:47 <Bjarni> you are trying to connect to his computer using the port number from before. This has to be forwarded to his LAN IP 20:39:29 <Bjarni> the most likely cause of this issue would be that the request is blocked by the router or forwarded to the wrong IP 20:39:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80262.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:39:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:39:49 <NukeBuster> @hylje: Does it also (try to) keep the patch up to date? 20:40:04 <thestrontium90> it already seemed strange to me that he said he deactivated the whole port thing o.o 20:40:56 <thestrontium90> he said he has deactivated the router firewall, so he has no ports. is that correct? 20:41:11 <Bjarni> that depends on the router 20:41:30 <Bjarni> he might forward all ports to his computer, but considering the issue at hand, I guess he didn't do that 20:41:43 <Bjarni> it's also bad security and not recommended 20:42:03 <hylje> NukeBuster: it doesn't do any magic with the patch 20:42:09 <Bjarni> in general, only forward the port numbers that you need 20:42:18 <thestrontium90> yeh but this aint my problem =) 20:42:48 <Bjarni> maybe I made the evil remark at the wrong person XD 20:42:51 <hylje> NukeBuster: feel free to play with it and see if theres any problematic things or (minor) features 20:43:09 <glx> I forward a little more than needed, but I have a firewall on my PC :) 20:43:15 <Bjarni> hylje: at least not yet. It would be cool to get an alert if a diff can't be applied anymore 20:43:16 <thestrontium90> Lol my firewall is up and running 20:43:21 <hylje> in case the design is adequate it'll get more and better features over time 20:43:36 <Bjarni> ... 20:43:58 <Bjarni> thestrontium90: so you are blocking outgoing traffic? 20:44:09 <thestrontium90> im not blocking anything 20:44:18 <thestrontium90> i can connect to every other internet game 20:44:43 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:32 <hylje> Bjarni: TrueLight told me that it could semi-automagically push nightlies through compile-farm 20:45:55 <hylje> but that involves review process as not everything can be blindly thrown there 20:46:12 <Bjarni> that would be nice too 20:46:12 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 20:46:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 20:47:11 <Ammller> http://mozart.ammler.ch/ottdc/moreClients.png 20:47:28 <hylje> :o 20:47:37 <thestrontium90> he has my nice savegame =.= the server needs to work 20:49:40 <Bjarni> Ammller: I think now is the time to say "lucky bastard" 20:50:08 <hylje> i think you're just the right person to say that 20:50:13 <Ammller> Bjarni: give me something, I can try 20:50:17 <Bjarni> most of the time when somebody tries to do something quick and dirty like you just did, then something bad happens 20:50:41 * Bjarni gives Ammller something 20:50:41 <thestrontium90> are you all developers here? 20:50:51 <hylje> not everyone 20:50:54 <Ammller> but that patch is so ugly small 20:51:03 <hylje> Ammller: elegant, i'd say 20:51:47 <Bjarni> Ammller: it's so small that it looks like you missed several places, but unless you are good at photoshop, then it appears to work for some reason 20:52:06 <Progman> lol 20:52:20 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 20:52:23 <Ammller> you can join, the server runs with autopilot at #Ammler 20:52:28 <hylje> well that may very well be because ottd isnt a blob of spaghetti.. everywhere 20:52:47 <hylje> Ammller: addy n revision, no client patch involved? 20:52:53 <Ammller> and it is also listest at servers.ottd.net 20:52:55 <Bjarni> I mean, have you checked that there aren't any vars anywhere in the code that contains a bit for each client and say, it could be an uint16 20:53:11 <glx> it may be because we used #define for MAX_CLIENTS :) 20:54:03 <Bjarni> then the question is: what should be the limit? 20:54:08 <Ammller> glx: can you give me a hint where to look? 20:54:20 <hylje> 65536 20:54:21 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:54:54 <Bjarni> hylje: that might be overkill 20:55:06 <Ammller> hylje: the clients has to be patched as well 20:55:17 <Ammller> without clientpatch you go up to 11 20:55:23 <hylje> o 20:55:40 <Ammller> we had that several times on #openttdcoop 20:55:45 <hylje> yes 20:55:51 <hylje> link to patch, then 20:56:00 <hylje> ima gonna fire up my ottd once again 20:56:12 <Ammller> http://mozart.ammler.ch/ottdc/ClientLimitsTo20_r10814.diff 20:57:33 *** thestrontium90 [~hulf@dslb-088-068-138-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 20:57:53 <glx> Ammller: you are lucky because the code seems to not use hardcoded value for clients 20:58:37 <Ammller> so do we discuss an other time for including it in a nightly? 20:58:52 <Ammller> we can remove it after 20:59:06 <Rubidium> and how often are you going to complain the limit is too low when it actually is 20? 20:59:35 <Ammller> :) omg 20:59:35 <Rubidium> we must use a "permanent" solution and that is not increasing some constant every time someone needs more clients 20:59:42 <glx> we need a dynamic way 20:59:50 <hylje> 65536 20:59:55 <Rubidium> as it wastes memory when it doesn't need to be wasted 21:00:02 <glx> ie not use things like NetworkTCPSocketHandler _clients[MAX_CLIENTS]; 21:00:09 <Ammller> does it also wast memeory 21:00:19 <Ammller> when you set it to 10 in openttd.cfg 21:00:22 <Rubidium> yes 21:00:22 <Ammller> ? 21:00:32 <Rubidium> it even wastes memory when you play in single player 21:00:40 <Rubidium> or even do not have a network card in your computer 21:01:42 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:04 <Ammller> ok, its not the most importend thing 21:02:23 <glx> hmm there are some inconsistencies in _clients for loops (network.cpp:101 and network.cpp:862) 21:02:26 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 21:02:59 <glx> cs != endof(_clients) vs cs != &_clients[MAX_CLIENTS] 21:04:22 <Rubidium> not to mention that a few GUIs will crash or give very weird strings 21:06:09 <Ammller> as long as "Players" stays at 8? 21:06:36 <Rubidium> yes 21:07:15 *** simon444 [~simon@203-217-53-246.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:08:13 <simon444> hello 21:08:18 <simon444> is peter1138 here? 21:08:24 <simon444> !seen peter1138 21:08:24 <_42_> simon444, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel. 21:08:32 <simon444> _42_, no. 21:12:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80262.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80193.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:15:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:15:45 <skidd13> Strange. My town road cleanup patch needs more CPU cycles but needs less CPU time in global. 21:21:15 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0765DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:24:01 <Wolf01> 'night 21:24:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host162-223-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:26:25 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0765DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:31 *** Niki- [~niki@p5090B76E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: miham * r10828 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 21:28:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-08-08 23:27:26 21:28:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 3 changed by fukumori (3) 21:28:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 24 fixed by kokobongo (7), thetitan (17) 21:28:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: estonian - 1 changed by kristjans (1) 21:28:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: german - 564 changed by Timwi (564) 21:28:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: polish - 11 fixed, 34 changed by meush (45) 21:28:36 <Maedhros> 564? :o 21:28:47 <glx> new translator :) 21:28:59 <Progman> but what kind of translations o_O 21:29:46 <MiHaMiX> Progman: if way too people complains about them, i'll revoke them, that's for sure 21:30:08 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 21:32:58 <Bjarni> for all we know, he changed the German translation into something from a porn movie 21:33:03 <Bjarni> maybe somebody should take a look 21:33:27 <MiHaMiX> ok, i'm going to sleep. complaints about german translations awaited to translation@openttd.org 21:33:35 <MiHaMiX> cheers 21:33:39 <Bjarni> night MiHaMiX 21:34:38 <Progman> looks all fine ;) 21:34:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80193.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:05 <simon444> I love people 21:35:11 <simon444> who talk out of their 21:35:12 <simon444> ASS 21:35:36 <simon444> When you assume. You make an ASS out of U and ME 21:37:05 <skidd13> Hmm, have the patch options in the german translation drawn over so often before? 21:40:55 <TrueBrain> !openttd thestrontium90 port 21:40:57 <_42_> thestrontium90: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound) 21:41:02 <TrueBrain> it does, you only need to know the correct syntax 21:41:05 * TrueBrain slaps Rubidium back 21:41:36 <Rubidium> @openttd TrueBrain port 21:41:44 <Rubidium> @openttd port TrueBrain 21:41:45 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Invalid arguments for port. 21:41:50 <Rubidium> see, no working 21:41:52 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: _42_ supports it, DorpsGek doesn't 21:41:59 <TrueBrain> DorpsGek never will in fact 21:42:09 <TrueBrain> (as it is silly and rarely used) 21:42:36 <TrueBrain> but okay, night all :) 21:51:52 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A48B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 21:52:03 *** glx is now known as port 21:52:20 *** port is now known as glx 21:55:33 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:01:05 *** pPACO_BAN [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 22:05:01 *** Phazorx [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:11 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: iPandaMojo, CIA-3, De_Ghost 22:07:30 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 22:07:30 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-216-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:30 *** De_Ghost [~De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 22:07:34 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 22:08:26 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B800E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:12:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:12:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B800E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 22:12:58 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0765DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:15 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 22:18:12 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:18:38 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-206-72.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:20:39 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: iPandaMojo, De_Ghost 22:22:02 <Bjarni> interesting. Now the spammails contains pdf files 22:22:12 <peter1138> you're slow 22:22:38 <Bjarni> I waited a while to detect the pattern 22:22:41 <Bjarni> I got them all day 22:22:48 <Bjarni> and just got a new one 22:23:09 <Bjarni> but I don't want to open the files... you may never know what they figured out to put in them ;) 22:23:32 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:24:09 <Bjarni> what can pdf files do to the computer anyway? 22:24:36 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-216-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:36 *** De_Ghost [~De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 22:24:44 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C7E6.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:19 <glx> they can pass the spamfilter 22:28:11 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-216-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:23 <simon444> mmm APPLE juice 22:29:44 <simon444> let me guess... made by Apple Inc? 22:29:51 <simon444> or Made in China? 22:35:17 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: De_Ghost 22:35:58 *** Netsplit over, joins: De_Ghost 22:40:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, i guess i should review that last commit :) 22:41:47 <Bjarni> <glx> they can pass the spamfilter <-- funny enough I found them when I looked at what the spam filter filtered out today 22:41:59 <Bjarni> mine is too smart for that trick xD 22:42:33 <glx> well firefox put them in junk without learning :) 22:42:47 <glx> s/firefox/thunderbird/ 22:43:04 <glx> like image spam 22:43:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> i never get spam :( 22:43:30 <Bjarni> lucky you 22:43:43 <simon444> me neither 22:43:44 <glx> I get spam on mail adress I never use 22:43:56 <simon444> and I put my address in this channel endless times 22:44:13 <simon444> "my address" 22:44:36 <Bjarni> I get it on my student account. Some bozo signed me up for different mailinglists a while ago and I had a spam problem ever since 22:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's because even the spambots ignore you... 22:44:54 <Bjarni> ignore who? 22:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> HIM!! 22:45:21 <Bjarni> glx? 22:45:28 <Bjarni> nobody else said anything 22:45:34 <glx> lol :) 22:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> see :) 22:45:41 <simon444> Bjarni, LOL... if you had me on ignore you would of thought that was a reply to Eddi|zuHause3 22:46:00 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, lol 22:48:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:48 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-43-32.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:49:01 <simon444> does anyone remember "my address?" 22:49:13 <simon444> hi Ammller. Welcome to the spam channel. 22:49:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> you got the number of 'l's wrong 22:50:30 <simon444> lloll? 22:50:33 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:47 <simon444> See you sacred him! 22:50:53 <glx> not the same 22:51:19 <simon444> He left once he heard this a spam channel. 22:51:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> i sacroed him? now that's a punishment :p 22:51:44 <simon444> He unplug the internet because it was so bad. 22:52:22 <simon444> scared 22:52:29 <Bjarni> life ain't fair 22:52:30 <simon444> sacred is a computer game 22:52:33 <Bjarni> but still... 22:53:04 <simon444> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_(game) sounds like crap 22:53:13 <simon444> Bjarni, your in competition 22:53:21 <Bjarni> to sacro him for a typo.... that's like blowing up a house because the owner farted at the wrong time 22:53:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> you dare not mock about our sacred game!! 22:54:29 <Bjarni> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Bjarni <--- odd, no changes in nearly a year 22:54:43 <Bjarni> what is wrong with people in here? 22:54:46 <Bjarni> err 22:54:52 <Bjarni> I don't want to know :p 22:55:11 <Bjarni> never ask questions like that on the internet 22:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> you should be careful about the kind of questions you ask, you might get an answer to them :p 22:55:37 <glx> the answer is 42 22:55:43 <Bjarni> shit 22:56:42 <simon444> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Bjarni what is that? Vandalism? 22:59:42 <Hendikins> Yes, you vandalised the page. 23:00:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> let's burn him at the stake! 23:00:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B837EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:00:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:01:50 * Bjarni slaps simon444 23:02:09 <Bjarni> whenever you try vandalism, make sure that you will not get your IP logged 23:02:32 * simon444 slaps Bjarni who will not see who did it 23:02:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> is it a bad sign if i recognised that IP from my mind without looking it up? 23:02:40 <simon444> Bjarni, that isn't my ip 23:03:14 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, my joins and parts have been so frequent that you probably remembered it from them 23:03:51 <simon444> ok time to shave 23:03:53 <Bjarni> err... where did the revert feature go? 23:04:03 <simon444> Bjarni, there is none 23:04:13 <simon444> Bjarni, you have to type the page all over again 23:04:14 <Hendikins> simon444: Do you think we're that stupid? 23:04:17 <simon444> yes 23:04:48 <Hendikins> On behalf of my country, I apologise for this idiot. 23:05:03 <simon444> Hendikins, I'm not Australian 23:05:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> still, the country let you in... 23:05:18 <Hendikins> You're located here, or at least routing via here. 23:05:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> surviver rule #1 in the computer business, always have someone else to blame... 23:06:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> #0 is "never touch a running system" 23:06:46 <Hendikins> Which in my case means "tunnel it through my ADSL instead of using my cable" 23:07:25 <simon444> hu? 23:07:35 <simon444> Bjarni, look fixed 23:08:07 <Bjarni> you do know that there is a preview feature, right? 23:08:20 <Bjarni> so you don't have to make 6 changes, but only one 23:08:28 <Bjarni> makes looking in the changelog easier 23:09:10 <simon444> LOL 23:09:20 <simon444> it wasn't me 23:09:52 <Hendikins> [09:09:31] * [simon444] 203.217.53.246 :actually using host 23:09:53 <Hendikins> (cur) (last) 22:56, 8 August 2007 203.217.53.246 (Talk) (Replacing page with '42') 23:10:08 <Hendikins> As I said, do you think we're stupid? 23:10:19 <simon444> YES 23:10:29 <Hendikins> Then you're dumber than I thought. 23:10:55 <Bjarni> dammit, now you modified another page 23:11:29 <simon444> what? No I haven't 23:11:52 <Bjarni> Developers 23:12:14 <Bjarni> don't mess around or we might get really upset 23:12:20 <Bjarni> and burn down your house 23:12:22 <simon444> ok 23:12:25 <simon444> I need to shave 23:12:33 <simon444> is it okay if I do so now? 23:12:39 <Bjarni> yes 23:12:40 <simon444> or are we going to have more fun? 23:13:00 <Hendikins> ...and I can pull the right strings and find out where you live :P 23:13:15 * Bjarni sends the boys out with a boomerang to push simon444's razor into his throat 23:13:23 <Hendikins> (or at least where your internet connection is located) 23:13:58 <simon444> Hendikins, in Newcastle according to that stupid locater 23:14:09 <simon444> however this is not true 23:14:13 <Hendikins> simon444: Oh, no, I'm not talking about a stupid locater :) 23:14:19 <simon444> I live in China 23:14:35 <simon444> or Hong Kong if you wish 23:14:42 * Hendikins would just get it looked up in the ISP's customer database. 23:14:44 <Bjarni> prove it 23:14:53 <simon444> Bjarni, okay 23:14:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> in europe they try to put up 6 months logging on who used what connection (internet:IP, cell phone:number and location) 23:15:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> for "criminal investigations" 23:15:06 <simon444> Bjarni, it is now 7:15AM 23:15:10 <simon444> time for shaving 23:15:17 <Hendikins> Eddi|zuHause3: The IP is static, so easy solved. 23:15:19 <simon444> therefore I must be in Hong Kong 23:15:22 <Hendikins> (or apparently so) 23:15:27 <Hendikins> simon444: Or Perth. Or lying. 23:15:36 <simon444> because only in Hong Kong this is the time 23:15:38 <Bjarni> simon444: or somewhere else in the same timezone 23:15:56 <simon444> but other places in the same timezone don't shave 23:16:05 <simon444> therefore I can only be in Hong Kong 23:16:14 <simon444> or at least don't shave at 7:15 23:16:17 <Bjarni> like Perth in Australia 23:16:37 <simon444> Yeah... those Australians are like animals 23:16:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> i belive hong kong has summertime currently... 23:16:44 <simon444> hairy all over 23:18:05 <simon444> okay... I'll be back in a sec.. just get the machine out and ready... 23:18:35 <Bjarni> <simon444> Yeah... those Australians are like animals 23:18:35 <Bjarni> <simon444> hairy all over 23:18:35 <Bjarni> and you said that you needed to shave :P 23:18:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DED4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:18 <simon444> everyone by nature is hairy 23:19:28 <simon444> people who shave aren't 23:21:32 <Hendikins> Interesting that your clock is NTP synced to Sydney time, and that your connection is reachable via Sydney PIPE. 23:25:30 <simon444> well of cause it is 23:25:59 <simon444> I'm in Hong Kong using an Australian connection 23:28:30 <Hendikins> That would not have anything to do with how your local clock is set, and your latency would be rather higher if you were in HK. 23:28:49 <Hendikins> (aka "Don't bullshit me, I know what I'm on about") 23:28:57 <simon444> no it wouldn't because the connection is in Australia 23:29:10 <simon444> the client is in Australia 23:29:13 <simon444> I'm not 23:29:29 <Hendikins> X-Chat is not a terminal based client 23:29:39 <Hendikins> Therefore it is not located in Australia on a shell. 23:29:46 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-43-32.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:29:48 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:29:48 <simon444> Hendikins, if I was bullshiting you I would of told you I was part of Al-Queda 23:30:03 <Hendikins> That would actually be more believable. 23:30:04 <simon444> Hendikins, X sessions don't have to be local 23:30:11 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:30:15 <simon444> okay then 23:30:18 <Hendikins> I'm aware of X11 forwarding. 23:30:31 <Hendikins> Either way, you're still full of it. 23:30:31 <simon444> You start Al Queda Australia 23:30:31 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:37 <simon444> then I'll be part of it 23:30:45 <simon444> The Chasers don't count... 23:30:48 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:30:52 * Hendikins pads off to shower, rather than getting his tail in a knot 23:31:02 <simon444> we watch that crap in Hong Kong 23:31:24 <simon444> I love CTCP SEX 23:32:03 <Hendikins> Thought for the day: When you hit rock bottom, stop digging. 23:32:44 <simon444> digg is for wankers 23:32:54 <simon444> Hendikins is a wanker 23:33:09 * Hendikins bows 23:33:17 * simon444 loves to be fed 23:33:35 * Hendikins pads off for real 23:33:48 <simon444> * Received a CTCP SEX from Xintron 23:33:50 <simon444> LOL 23:33:54 <Xintron> :) 23:34:24 <simon444> * Received a CTCP LOCATION from Xintron 23:34:31 <simon444> wtf is wrong with this guy 23:34:31 * Xintron loves CTCP SEX as well :) 23:34:42 <Xintron> What's wrong with you simon444 ? 23:34:43 <simon444> Client To Client Protocol 23:34:50 <simon444> Xintron, many things. 23:34:53 <Xintron> hehe :) 23:35:30 <simon444> I'm heading off soon to check out the new iMacs 23:35:36 <Xintron> haha 23:36:41 <simon444> I'll IRC from them 23:36:49 <simon444> and tell you how they are like 23:36:56 <simon444> I could also try out openttd 23:37:12 <simon444> but getting the graphics might be a bit hard 23:37:40 <Bjarni> simon444: since you are in HK, then I guess you can tell what's so special about your train system. I'm told it's different from the rest of the world 23:38:01 <simon444> yeah it is powered by nuclear 23:38:11 <simon444> and goes everywhere 23:38:16 <simon444> we call it the MTA 23:38:39 <simon444> MTR 23:39:04 <Xintron> HK? 23:39:08 <Xintron> MTR? 23:39:10 <Xintron> MTA? 23:39:15 <Xintron> :? 23:39:21 <simon444> we also have this smart card 23:39:26 <simon444> its just leeeeet 23:40:12 <simon444> There is no MTA 23:40:15 <simon444> it was a typo 23:40:26 <Xintron> What's HK and MTR then? 23:40:33 <simon444> in hong kong the A and R keys are next to each other 23:40:39 <simon444> Xintron, hong kong 23:40:54 <Xintron> haha, ok :) 23:40:58 <Bjarni> I don't think the question was what a typo is and how they happen :P 23:41:05 <simon444> and mass transit railway 23:41:21 <Hendikins> And if you're in HK, what ticketing system do you use? 23:41:32 <simon444> Bjarni, why? 23:41:38 <simon444> Hendikins, smart card 23:41:43 <simon444> <simon444> we also have this smart card 23:41:45 <glx> simon444: dvorak keyboard? 23:41:45 <Hendikins> More specific. 23:41:56 <simon444> glx, umm yes 23:41:59 * Hendikins waits for simon444 to google it 23:42:08 <simon444> this orange card 23:42:22 <simon444> I'll take a photo of it by the iMac 23:42:37 <Hendikins> The answer was Octopus :P 23:42:56 <simon444> it works like magic 23:43:12 <simon444> radio or something 23:43:38 * simon444 puts on some socks 23:44:00 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:44:32 * Hendikins dries off, floofs up and pads down 23:45:15 * simon444 dances 23:45:21 * simon444 slips 23:45:24 * Wezz6400|afk empties a bucket of water over Hendikins 23:45:32 * simon444 gets some shoes 23:45:47 * simon444 helps Wezz6400|afk 23:45:51 * Hendikins shakes himself dry, showers Wezz6400|afk with droplets and floofs up again 23:45:59 <simon444> Wezz6400|afk, /nick Wezz6400 23:46:28 <Wezz6400|afk> ooh droplets \o/ 23:46:33 <simon444> bom bim bom bim bim booom 23:46:48 <simon444> Hong Kong music 23:47:06 *** Wezz6400|afk is now known as Wezz6400 23:47:30 * tokai likes musik from HK 23:48:24 * simon444 on phone 23:51:10 * Hendikins is one of those creepy furry types :P 23:51:27 <Hendikins> And perhaps ironically, about the only place I get to play openttd these days is in mid air. 23:55:35 <simon444> Hendikins, on virgin or qantas? 23:56:00 <Hendikins> Qantas. In business class. At staff price. 23:56:26 <simon444> staff price = free 23:56:31 <glx> no 23:56:31 <Hendikins> No 23:56:35 <simon444> You work for Qantas? 23:56:37 <simon444> Yes. 23:56:39 <glx> you pay taxes 23:56:41 <Hendikins> Immediate family. 23:56:49 <Hendikins> So no, I don't work for Qantas. 23:57:05 <Hendikins> glx: We've got a zonal base fare, + fixed fuel surcharge, + tax 23:57:08 <simon444> staff only get tickets when they are free seats 23:57:22 <simon444> Hendikins, than your not getting staff price. 23:57:33 <simon444> Qantas staff price is free. 23:57:34 <glx> Hendikins: I know :) (my father work for Air France) 23:57:36 <Hendikins> simon444: If my fare code is QEA, that is staff price. 23:57:42 <simon444> You need to be staff of Qantas 23:57:46 <Hendikins> glx: My father is at QF :) 23:57:47 <simon444> whatever 23:58:00 <simon444> Hendikins, you son of a bitch 23:58:06 <Hendikins> simon444: Actually, even duty travel is charged these days (effective July 1) 23:58:09 <glx> but I'm too old now 23:58:13 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:58:27 <simon444> Hendikins, you could arrange me a ticket from hkg to syd and back? 23:58:37 <simon444> I'll pay 0 incld taxes 23:59:20 <Hendikins> simon444: You obviously have no idea how the system works. 23:59:42 <simon444> I am your adopted brother 23:59:44 <simon444> or something 23:59:50 <Hendikins> I'm not the QF staffer.