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00:02:32 * you need to sleep 00:02:40 * you should go to bed right away 00:02:51 *** you is now known as Bjarni 00:02:54 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:03:12 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79aab.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:04:50 <MrBrrr> argh 00:05:00 <MrBrrr> Adding some realism does mean a lot of work, hmmm. 00:05:05 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:06 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 00:11:29 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 00:11:29 *** ITSBTH_ [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:43 *** michi_cc [14912d2156@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:27 *** michi_cc [72b7f61a70@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 00:24:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 00:29:16 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 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Aren't you happy? 09:46:04 <ln-_> i'm also mentioned in irssi changelog. i'm famous. 09:46:35 <Bjarni> well, right now I just wanted someone to blame if it went wrong and you appeared as the best candidate for this task 09:46:41 <Bjarni> :P 09:47:00 <Bjarni> why are you in the irssi changelog? 09:47:28 <ln-_> i submitted a patch. 09:48:07 <Bjarni> sounds scary 09:51:07 <ln-_> well since you asked, http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/tmp/portable_uptime_command.diff 09:52:10 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]] 09:56:09 <Bjarni> looks rather nice 10:09:47 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:05 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:18:31 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> cation.oftc.net quits: eQualizer, manveru, ThePizzaKing, plaes, De_Ghost, Ammler, DaleStan, @peter1138, Dephenom, Smoovious, (+53 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 10:20:45 *** Mizipzor [Mizipzor@camembert.byh.bth.se] has joined #openttd 10:20:45 *** Netsplit over, joins: Nitehawk, Mark, Progman, ITSBTH, Nickman, Vikthor, Bjarni, Farden, Phazorx, Ammler 10:20:45 *** Netsplit over, joins: elmex, ThePizzaKing, @peter1138, Smoky555, Mucht, CobraA1, nairan, TinoM|, @DorpsGek, Dephenom (+2 more) 10:20:45 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+oooo Bjarni peter1138 DorpsGek orudge] by charon.oftc.net 10:20:45 *** Netsplit over, joins: SpBot, alex_, mikegrb, waxman, +tokai, plaes, Darkebie, blathijs, welterde, egladil (+31 more) 10:28:23 *** Lachie [~fake@CPE-121-217-148-68.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:32:43 *** green-devil [~c@0x535b6e3f.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 10:47:08 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41665.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:51:48 *** Dark_Link^ is now known as Dark_Link^skola 11:03:05 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:09:14 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:10:55 *** ITSBTH_ [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 11:10:55 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:26:03 *** CobraA1 [~Jeremiah@75-163-146-182.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:34 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78870.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 11:29:44 *** ITSBTH_ [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:53 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 11:31:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8299B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 11:33:20 <Sacro> mmm, shall i do some more sprites 11:35:03 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:55 *** Lachie [~fake@CPE-121-217-148-68.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:13 * peter1138 ponders upgrading to hardy heron 12:01:08 <Sacro> ooh 12:01:16 <Sacro> peter1138: Linux From Scratch 6.3 is out! 12:01:40 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:01:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:02:34 <peter1138> why bother? 12:03:56 <Sacro> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~sbu/view.php?sysid=186 someone has a LOT of spare time 12:04:00 <Sacro> building LFS on a 386 12:04:58 <Sacro> hahaha, 3 bogomips 12:05:28 <glx> huge memory amount ;) 12:05:31 <glx> (for a 386) 12:07:26 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:07:32 <Sacro> yeah, its not bad 12:09:40 <peter1138> blah, qemu crashes :( 12:09:43 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:53 <peter1138> hmm, only with kqemu 12:09:55 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 12:10:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> !calc 1532281/3600 12:10:24 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause3: 425.6336111111; 12:10:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> !calc 1532281/3600/24 12:10:34 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause3: 17.7347337962; 12:11:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is an awful lot of time for one package :p 12:17:18 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6034.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:20:04 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-162-218.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:21:34 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 12:28:59 *** ITSBTH_ [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 12:28:59 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:15 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 12:44:01 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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I've got a Metropolitan airport that I want to upgrade to an International one. How do I do this without breaking the route of my 8 or 9 aircraft visiting this airport? 13:48:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> Kloopy: find a time where no aircraft is on the airport, remove it, and build a new one 13:48:34 <Kloopy> IF it has the same name as the old one, do my aircraft still find it? 13:48:38 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@5ac3409f.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:49:18 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:49:41 *** Dark_Link^skola is now known as Dark_Link^ 13:50:31 <Progman> if you delete a station the name will be there for some time as gray-label, if you place the new station there the name (and the orders) will used 13:51:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> if you don't place the new airport too far away from the old one, all orders will be kept 13:55:56 <Kloopy> Fantastic. 13:56:03 <Kloopy> Thanks for your help Eddi, Progman. :) 13:57:14 <Sacro> wow 13:57:29 <Sacro> i think ./configure --build=i486-mingw32 13:57:32 <Sacro> might actually work 13:59:13 <Sacro> hmmm 13:59:19 <Sacro> i have no freetype package installed :( 13:59:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> --without-freetype? 14:00:46 <Sacro> ahh i like it 14:00:56 <Sacro> just installing mingw32-libpmg 14:00:59 <Sacro> s/m/n/ 14:02:38 <Sacro> hmm 14:02:49 <Sacro> nobody flagged libpng as depending on zlib 14:04:32 <glx> that's a known thing :) 14:04:39 <Sacro> what is? 14:04:52 <glx> libpng needs zlib 14:04:59 <Sacro> ahh yes 14:05:11 <Sacro> well the guy who wrote the package didn't put it as a needed dependancy 14:05:15 <Sacro> so i just flagged it 14:19:33 <Sacro> holy... 14:19:40 <Sacro> thats an awful lot of errors 14:20:09 *** MrBrrr [~chatzilla@bas3-montreal02-1096688177.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 14:20:14 <Sacro> yapf/yapf_ship.o:yapf_ship.cpp:(.text$_ZN16CYapfFollowShipTI16CYapfShip_TypesTI10CYapfShip213CFollowTrackTIL13TransportType2ELb1EE20CNodeList_HashTableTI14CYapfShipNodeTI19CYapfNodeKeyExitDirELi14ELi16EEEE15ChooseShipTrackEP7Vehiclej13DiagDirection9TrackBits[CYapfFollowShipT<CYapfShip_TypesT<CYapfShip2, CFollowTrackT<(TransportType)2, true>, CNodeList_HashTableT<CYapfShipNodeT<CYapfNodeKeyExitDir>, 14, 16> > >::ChooseShipTrack(Vehicle*, u 14:20:14 <Sacro> nsigned int, DiagDirection, TrackBits)]+0x1a82): more undefined references to `operator delete[](void*)' follow 14:20:17 <Sacro> was the last one 14:20:23 <Sacro> looks like g++ isn't happy 14:20:31 <MrBrrr> Hi all. 14:21:27 <Sacro> hmm 14:21:33 <Sacro> is it 2&>1 14:21:54 <Sacro> i want to dump stderr to a text file 14:21:56 <Sacro> hey MrBrrr 14:24:44 <MrBrrr> Hmmm. 14:24:56 <MrBrrr> Changing one thing sometimes means quite a lot of work x_x 14:26:37 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 14:26:58 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 14:27:36 <Sacro> hmmm 14:27:41 <Sacro> where is $(MAKE) defined 14:29:24 <ln-_> it isn't 14:29:46 <Sacro> it doesn't seem to be able to link g++ stuff 14:30:01 <ln-_> make doesn't link stuff. 14:30:32 <Sacro> well no 14:30:35 <Sacro> but it calls the linker 14:31:02 <Sacro> http://pastebin.com/m31464e70 14:32:13 <MrBrrr> Any train buffs around? 14:32:17 <MrBrrr> I have one or two questions. 14:37:33 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip208.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 14:37:58 <ln-_> Sacro: without the actual linking command that output is not very useful. 14:38:08 *** ln-_ is now known as ln- 14:38:11 <Sacro> mmm, true 14:38:15 <Sacro> how do i find the linking command? 14:38:33 <glx> make VERBOSE:=1 ? 14:38:34 <ln-> ask the dummies who decided to hide the commands. 14:39:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8299B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:39:25 <Sacro> i486-mingw32-g++ -mno-cygwin -Wl,--subsystem,windows -static rev.o ai/ai.o 14:39:56 <Sacro> hmm 14:40:04 <Sacro> shouldn't it be calling ld? 14:40:19 <glx> g++ does it 14:40:21 <Sacro> ottdres.o -lstdc++ -lws2_32 -lwinmm -lgdi32 -ldxguid -lole32 /usr/lib/libz.a -L/usr/lib -lpng12 -lz -lm -o openttd.exe 14:40:23 <Sacro> is the ened 14:40:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80247.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:40:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:41:21 <Sacro> ah-ha 14:41:24 <Sacro> tis not /usr/lib 14:42:13 <Sacro> but theres no way to specify the lib dir via ./configure 14:42:34 <glx> LDFLAGS=... ./configure 14:42:38 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 14:42:51 <glx> ./configure --help should tell it too 14:42:58 <Sacro> it doesnt 14:43:00 <Sacro> oh 14:43:02 <Sacro> yes it does >< 14:44:26 <Sacro> and it quite niftily ignores them 14:45:28 <Sacro> [ben@server trunk]$ LDCONFIG=-L/usr/i486-mingw32/lib ./configure --host=i486-mingw32 --without-freetype 14:45:34 <Sacro> using LDFLAGS... -lstdc++ -lws2_32 -lwinmm -lgdi32 -ldxguid -lole32 /usr/lib/libz.a -L/usr/lib -lpng12 -lz -lm -mno-cygwin -Wl,--subsystem,windows -static 14:45:58 <Sacro> help if i spelt it right 14:46:04 * glx slaps Sacro 14:46:09 <Sacro> :) 14:46:11 <glx> use LDFLAGS 14:46:16 <glx> not LDCONFIG 14:46:23 *** manveru [~weechat@pp101.opt2.point.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:23 <Sacro> yay, i have an exe! 14:46:32 <MrBrrr> Hazzah! 14:46:45 <Sacro> i'm used to CFLAGS AND CXXFLAGS 14:46:58 <MrBrrr> I've got a question: can electric trains go in reverse? (IRL) 14:47:09 <glx> IRL yes 14:47:28 <Sacro> it charges them up 14:47:50 *** manveru [~weechat@bt140.opt2.point.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 14:48:06 <MrBrrr> Hmmm. 14:55:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> germany had steam engine that could be controlled from a drivers cab at the other end of the train 14:56:50 <MrBrrr> Hmmm. 14:57:05 <MrBrrr> Wouldn't that mean that they'd be "blind" while going forward and/of backwards? 14:57:28 <glx> the driver is still in front of train 14:57:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, the driver goes to the end that will be the front 14:57:50 <MrBrrr> Hmmm. 14:57:57 <MrBrrr> Will it go as fast in reverse? 14:58:03 <MrBrrr> I mean, if it's pushing the wagons? 14:58:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, it's pretty symmetric 14:58:19 <MrBrrr> Nice. 14:59:56 <glx> MrBrrr: never used subway ? 15:01:39 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@gprs-pool-1-008.eplus-online.de] has joined #openttd 15:02:07 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@gprs-pool-1-008.eplus-online.de] has quit [] 15:02:50 <MrBrrr> Yeah. 15:02:56 <MrBrrr> But I never actually wondered about it all. 15:04:13 <MrBrrr> Especially with modern subways. 15:08:13 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-165-143.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> pretty much all modern trains are now built with a drivers cab at the other end 15:11:52 <MrBrrr> Hmmmm, nice. 15:13:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's one of the most missing "realism" features of ottd... 15:13:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:IC_Steuerwagen.jpg 15:13:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Doppelstocksteuerwagen_IMGP7155.jpg 15:14:15 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-103-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:23 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 15:14:53 <ln-> notice how german trains do not have mirrors. 15:15:54 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:16:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> the "train leader" always stands on the platform giving starting signal 15:17:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> there's no need for mirrors 15:17:29 <glx> they have video here 15:18:22 <glx> (B&W but it's enough) 15:18:23 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: even in freight trains? 15:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have no idea about freight trains 15:20:39 <MrBrrr> I'm trying to find out how to remove that automatic "turn-around" trains do in TTD. 15:20:53 <MrBrrr> Without creating an even bigger "realism" problem. 15:21:18 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5B61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, not turning the train around is probably easy, just declare the last wagon as "front engine", with all cached data etc., and update all "first" pointers of the vehicles 15:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> the next problem is disallowing that for trains where it is not realistic 15:24:49 <MrBrrr> Exactly. 15:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> and then allow switching the engine at terminus stations, without turning the wagons 15:25:07 <glx> Bjarni already tried 15:25:17 <MrBrrr> Anywho, off to campus. Cya all later. 15:25:22 *** MrBrrr [~chatzilla@bas3-montreal02-1096688177.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]] 15:28:37 <ln-> i have also tried making trains not turn when reversing, but without much success. 15:28:54 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 15:28:54 <ln-> i ended up having wagons travel alone, etc. 15:29:47 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-158-73-45.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:31:27 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host81-158-73-45.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:38:59 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-158-73-45.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:01 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:44:39 *** Ammller is now known as AmmlerHasLoooooooooooooooooooo 15:45:28 <Noldo> great 15:45:36 *** AmmlerHasLoooooooooooooooooooo is now known as Ammler123456789012345678901234 15:45:52 *** Ammler123456789012345678901234 is now known as Ammler 15:46:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> err... 15:46:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> someone is awfully bored, i believe :p 15:49:14 <AntB> nah 15:49:40 <AntB> Ammler was just seeing about max nixk lengths 15:49:43 <AntB> *nick 15:50:19 <Ammler> oh, sry, didn't thought about that happens on every channel 15:50:23 <Ammler> :) 15:50:25 <AntB> lol 15:51:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> why not simply look at the "NICKLEN=30" entry in the server window? 15:52:24 <ln-> Ammler: why not try /nick 0 ? 20:30:42 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 20:34:26 *** Red is now known as Red_Shirt 20:35:46 *** Red_Shirt is now known as Red 20:42:32 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip208.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:51:16 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10997 /trunk/src/ (13 files): -Codechange: unify the vehicle view window. Patch by PhilSophus. 21:01:13 *** St|off is now known as Stoffe 21:01:51 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:05:04 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 21:06:28 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10998 /trunk/src/clear_cmd.cpp: 21:08:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: refactor of the "core" of the terraforming code to make it possible 21:08:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: to push the tile type specific terraforming requirements out of the generic part 21:08:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: of the terraforming code. Patch by frosch. For more information take a look at 21:08:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: FS#1147. 21:11:22 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FC16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:03 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:14:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:33 *** SpBot [terom@zapotekII.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 21:15:38 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0DC48.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:02 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 21:22:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:25:08 *** orudge [~orudge@78.32.67.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:05 *** orudge [~orudge@78.32.67.242] has joined #openttd 21:26:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 21:27:29 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10999 /trunk/src/ (10 files): -Codechange: unify the way the running cost of a vehicle is determined. Patch by nycom. 21:27:49 <svip> :O 21:27:53 <svip> Soon r11000! 21:28:00 <TrueBrain> party? 21:28:07 <Bjarni> sure, why not 21:28:15 <svip> I've heard worse excuses to drink. 21:28:16 <TrueBrain> I get the flowers 21:28:18 <Bjarni> or should it be r11111 21:28:52 <TrueBrain> or will it be 0.5.3? :p 21:28:57 <TrueBrain> 0.6? Nah! 21:28:58 <Bjarni> svip: http://www.openttd.org/images/screens/r10000/r10000.png <--- from last party 21:29:08 <svip> I've seen it. :D 21:29:09 <svip> Awesome. 21:29:10 <Bjarni> you missed it 21:29:13 <svip> Yeah. 21:29:13 <Bjarni> and so did I :( 21:29:15 <svip> :( 21:29:19 <svip> Danes always miss out. 21:29:24 <svip> That's why the British bombed us. 21:29:24 <TrueBrain> so buy your ticket for next time already 21:29:40 <Bjarni> it wasn't a ticket issue 21:29:46 <ln-> you could announce the party a little bit more in advance next time. 21:29:49 <Bjarni> the issue was that I had to build that robot 21:30:10 <Bjarni> even if we planned it months in advance, I couldn't make it 21:30:16 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truelight * r11000 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: 21:30:16 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix r10121: when introducing the new blitter system, smallmap regained an old bug: buffer-overflow when moving window to far bottom-right. 21:30:16 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Note: we no longer cheat on not drawing the last line in smallmap, this time we created a more elegant fix 21:30:19 <Bjarni> but ln- got a point 21:30:19 <svip> :O 21:30:20 <svip> PARTY! 21:30:33 <TrueBrain> okay, more in advance... 21:30:37 <TrueBrain> next year 21:30:38 <TrueBrain> :p 21:30:40 * Prof_Frink does the n-thousand commit dance 21:30:42 * TrueBrain celebrates 21:30:48 <_Ben_> yey! 21:30:49 * glx too 21:31:03 <TrueBrain> yo cheetah 21:31:07 <TrueBrain> he bananah 21:31:11 <TrueBrain> he monenkey 21:31:12 <TrueBrain> get funkey! 21:31:19 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: 1.0 party. At the pub over there -->. 21:31:19 <TrueBrain> monenkey? Lol! 21:31:24 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066250.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:28 <ln-> there's like a much better chance to get flight tickets for ~150⬠if booked 1.5 months rather than 1.5 weeks in advance. 21:31:28 <svip> Yeah. 21:31:31 * Bjarni turns the music on 21:31:31 <svip> When 1.0 be released? 21:31:32 <TrueBrain> I suggest next time to meat in Germany 21:31:40 <TrueBrain> meat? Meet :p 21:31:46 <Prof_Frink> Nah, Germany's full of Germans 21:31:47 <svip> This constant beta reminds me of Google. 21:31:55 <ln-> Germany sounds fine. 21:31:55 <TrueBrain> but it is easy to get to for most people 21:31:56 <Prof_Frink> And my USB stick's banned. 21:31:56 <TrueBrain> and cheap :) 21:31:59 <svip> Always keep everything in BETA, to avoid being required support. :P 21:32:08 <svip> Germany sounds find? 21:32:08 <TrueBrain> svip: who said this was beta? 21:32:10 <TrueBrain> not a word we use 21:32:14 <ln-> Although I still haven't visited Benelux at all. 21:32:22 <Bjarni> but it's full of .... Germans 21:32:24 <svip> It's illegal to use package sniffing programs in Germany. 21:32:33 <Bjarni> and even worse: German speaking Germans 21:32:35 <TrueBrain> a lot of things are illegal in Germany 21:32:40 <Prof_Frink> Always keep everything in random-svn-checkout, to avoid being required support. :P 21:32:40 <TrueBrain> what was the last law they accepted? 21:32:43 <svip> But package sniffing programs? 21:32:50 <TrueBrain> ah, yes, nmap is illegal there :p 21:32:56 <svip> :| 21:33:03 <TrueBrain> as is tcpdump 21:33:04 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Yes, that's why my USB stick is banz0red 21:33:05 <svip> And how the hell are they going to check for that? 21:33:21 <TrueBrain> svip: doesn't matter, it still is illegal 21:33:30 <TrueBrain> who will find out if I have some cocaine plats here 21:33:33 <TrueBrain> still, it is illegal :p 21:33:34 <svip> Awesomely stupid isn't it? 21:33:36 <Bjarni> but sex with children online is legal and has created a marked in 2nd life.... odd Germans 21:33:36 <Prof_Frink> Practically none of my electronic devices are legal in Germany. 21:33:56 <Bjarni> like who would pay a fortune for your virtual character to have sex with a virtual character 21:33:57 <TrueBrain> I myself am not legal in Germany :p 21:33:57 <TrueBrain> lol 21:33:59 <svip> I use Wireshark and nmap and traceroute all the time. 21:34:07 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: eeuuuhhh 21:34:08 * TrueBrain shuts up 21:34:09 <TrueBrain> :p 21:34:18 <TrueBrain> nah, paying is silly in general for things like SecondLife 21:34:27 <TrueBrain> svip: me too, mostly on my own servers :p 21:34:33 <svip> :p 21:34:44 <Bjarni> I never really understood SecondLife :s 21:34:46 <svip> I made a script that reads and gives stats from your auth.log. 21:34:49 * Prof_Frink has been known to use Ettercap too 21:34:59 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: SecondLife in fact is really nice 21:35:01 <TrueBrain> although very boring 21:35:05 <TrueBrain> but... to put money in it? 21:35:11 <Bjarni> and the name is poor. How can people with no life get a 2nd one? 21:35:12 <TrueBrain> I once put 5$ in it, for the fun of it, and went to the casino 21:35:12 <Prof_Frink> With the login-grabbing plugin 21:35:14 <TrueBrain> I was bored 21:35:15 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-165-143.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 21:35:18 <TrueBrain> I came out with 10$ :p 21:35:26 <Bjarni> hehe 21:35:27 <Prof_Frink> And SSL sniffing. 21:35:27 <svip> For instance: 21:35:28 <svip> User: root attempted 2314 times. 21:35:34 <svip> Ip: 91.121.27.91 attempted 1453 times. 21:35:36 <svip> :> 21:35:44 <Bjarni> TrueBrain: did you report your earnings to the US IRS? 21:35:45 <TrueBrain> svip: posting IPs is a bit... nasty 21:35:51 <svip> They are not mine. 21:35:52 <Bjarni> you earned it on a US server, you know 21:35:52 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: I don't have to 21:36:03 <svip> They are people trying to access my computer, TrueBrain. 21:36:07 <TrueBrain> by the law of my own coutnry, I don't have to :) 21:36:08 <TrueBrain> they do :p 21:36:10 <svip> As part of an SSH spam attack. 21:36:18 <Prof_Frink> svip: No 21:36:22 <Bjarni> <TrueBrain> Bjarni: I don't have to <-- tell that to the IRS :P 21:36:26 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: as it goes via PayPal, and PayPal is also located in my own country 21:36:37 <Prof_Frink> They are the owners of Windows boxen that are being used to attack your computer 21:36:38 <TrueBrain> I have nothing, and aboslutely nothing, to do with IRS 21:36:44 <svip> Not really, Prof_Frink. 21:36:48 <svip> I did some checks on all the systems. 21:36:52 <svip> And they run Linux. 21:37:06 <svip> There was a hacked user in Finland. 21:37:10 <svip> And a university in Bogota. 21:37:18 <TrueBrain> svip: hmm, on my servers you won't reach that number... after 10 attempts within 1 hour, you are blocked for 24 hours.. 21:37:21 <Prof_Frink> Oh well, they deserve everything they get then 21:37:21 <TrueBrain> after that for a week 21:37:22 <svip> Both had port 22 open. 21:37:26 <TrueBrain> and.. then for life! YEAH! 21:37:41 * Prof_Frink has port 22 open. 21:37:43 <TrueBrain> so I won't find values > 30 :p 21:37:45 <svip> Indeed. 21:37:47 <svip> But the point is. 21:37:56 <svip> Their root account isn't that well protected. 21:38:01 <Prof_Frink> pubkey only, of course. 21:38:03 <TrueBrain> write them an email! :) 21:38:10 <svip> :| 21:38:18 <svip> I cannot figure out how to get their email just from knowing their IP. 21:38:31 <TrueBrain> svip: ip-lookup? WHOIS? 21:38:32 <Bjarni> whois 21:38:35 <svip> I did. 21:38:37 <TrueBrain> just write to abuse@ 21:38:40 <Prof_Frink> You should be able to get an email for the uni 21:38:43 <TrueBrain> at least you tried :) 21:38:50 <svip> :P 21:39:07 <svip> My script shall be more advance, and actually perform the whois itself. 21:39:10 <TrueBrain> depending on how bored I am, I once wrote 25 abuse@ emails that they were attacking me :p 21:39:13 <svip> And take out the interesting parts. 21:39:25 <svip> Ever got a respond, TrueBrain? 21:39:27 <TrueBrain> resulted in just 2 replies... 21:39:28 <TrueBrain> silly people 21:39:37 <svip> abuse@ip? 21:39:38 <TrueBrain> oh, and 1 out-of-office reply 21:39:38 <svip> Or what? 21:39:41 <TrueBrain> which was pretty odd :p 21:39:47 <TrueBrain> no, IP -> WHOIS -> ISP -> abuse@ 21:39:54 <svip> Ah. 21:40:11 <glx> <TrueBrain> oh, and 1 out-of-office reply <-- automatic reply? 21:40:31 <TrueBrain> glx: yes.. but on an abuse@ that is really weird 21:40:39 <glx> yes that's silly 21:40:52 <TrueBrain> svip: if your IP was doing the attacks, I would email csirt@csirt.dk 21:40:56 <Bjarni> out-of-office replies are golden for spammers. It quickly verifies that the email address is in use and they can then start to send a whole lot of spam 21:41:05 <svip> Well... 21:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> <svip> It's illegal to use package sniffing programs in Germany. <- same reason why it is illegal to open letters 21:41:17 <svip> Good reason. 21:41:28 <svip> You got mail! But you can't open it! :O 21:41:45 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause3: are you allowed to read what is written on a postcard? 21:42:07 * Prof_Frink finds the article he was looking for: http://blog.gnist.org/article.php?story=HollidayCracking 21:42:08 <Rubidium> as internet traffic must be compared to postcards and not letters in enveloppes 21:42:19 <Bjarni> spam mails are illegal in Denmark due to a law that bans door to door salesmen/advertising and random phonecalls to sell stuff. Great law 21:42:43 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: And how much spam do you get? 21:42:51 <Bjarni> nothing from Denmark 21:42:54 <svip> :] 21:43:27 <Bjarni> but there are some guys in the 3rd world and some in America, who thinks that I'm fat, needs bigger breasts and viagra 21:43:44 <Bjarni> well, the computer is able to filter them out 21:43:55 <ln-> has anyone been to Dublin? 21:44:04 <glx> I got a lot of fake youtube links recently 21:44:28 <Bjarni> but the point is that people never interrupts me with phonecalls to sell me useless stuff and they don't show up at the door either 21:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> Rubidium: i am not sure... but it is also not legal to listen to phonecalls 21:44:45 <Prof_Frink> glx: el reg said that was the Storm Worm. 21:45:33 <svip> Only newspapers, Bjarni. 21:45:35 <svip> :| 21:46:14 <Bjarni> that's not even often they call 21:46:22 <svip> "Vil du kÞbe et abonnoument på Politiken?" "Nej, jeg skal ikke have sådan noget venstre-oriterent propaganda." 21:46:23 <Bjarni> and to be honest, I wonder if they are allowed to call 21:46:45 <Bjarni> it's more fun when they try to sell you a newspaper you already get X) 21:46:51 <svip> x) 21:47:09 <svip> Information has for so long wanted me to buy their newspaper. 21:47:32 <Bjarni> they never contacted me 21:47:40 <svip> Well. 21:47:45 <svip> They only do because I used to have it. 21:48:03 <svip> And I keep telling them I will buy it when I move out of my parents' cellar. 21:48:05 <Bjarni> it started as an illegal press 21:48:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> we call that kind of luck "Arschkarte" :p 21:48:16 <svip> I know the story. 21:48:41 <Bjarni> hehe 21:49:01 <svip> :| 21:49:06 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FC16.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:49:12 <svip> German is just putting a lot of random "sch" around it. 21:49:21 <svip> And pronounce the a's like they should. 21:49:23 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11001 /trunk/src/ (12 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify the way to determine whether a vehicle is in a depot. 21:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is said to be derived from football, where the yellow card is in the chest pocket, and the red card is in the back pocket 21:49:38 <Prof_Frink> And capitalising random Words. 21:49:42 <svip> Nah. 21:49:45 <svip> Nouns, Prof_Frink. 21:49:46 <svip> Nouns. 21:49:52 <svip> Sorta like in English titles. 21:49:58 <Bjarni> I was once contacted by my ISP and informs that if I moved from 512k to 1M, they would give me 4M for months... since the price was nearly the same, I took the bait 21:49:58 <Prof_Frink> Pfft 21:50:00 <svip> "Awesomeness in a Box" 21:50:10 <Prof_Frink> *Proper* nouns get capitals 21:50:15 <TrueBrain> lalalaaaaa 21:50:16 <svip> Proper? 21:50:18 <Prof_Frink> Aye 21:50:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is funny how the english capitalise english, but the germans don't :p 21:50:23 <Prof_Frink> Like names. 21:50:26 <svip> :P 21:50:31 <svip> English capitalise too many things. 21:50:36 <Bjarni> after the 3 or 4 months, I would revert to 1M and they then informed me that their new policy was to upgrade 1M to 2M at no cost at all 21:50:40 <svip> Even weekdays and months! 21:50:42 <Prof_Frink> NO WE DON'T! 21:50:50 <Prof_Frink> (colon-pee) 21:50:59 <Bjarni> I think that's the only time I actually wanted something I was offered like that 21:51:20 <svip> :] 21:51:32 *** Stoffe is now known as St|off 21:51:47 <Prof_Frink> Bah, the party's finished. 21:51:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Prof_Frink> *Proper* nouns get capitals <- english (and other words derived from countries) is capitalised even if it is used as adjective 21:52:18 <svip> Example? 21:52:21 <Prof_Frink> That's 'cause countries have capitals. 21:52:35 <Bjarni> good point 21:52:40 <svip> Sorta like in Eesti and eesti keel? 21:52:41 <Prof_Frink> South Africa has two capitals, so it has two capitals. 21:52:42 <svip> Yes yes yes? 21:52:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> but it's reverse to the german way of capitalising 21:53:06 <svip> What about The Democratic Republic of North Korea, Prof_Frink? 21:53:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> germans capitalise everything that was created by god 21:53:18 <Prof_Frink> Now capital looks like it's spelt wrong. 21:53:23 <svip> Wait, Eddi|zuHause3. 21:53:31 <svip> Does that assume that God existed? 21:53:39 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: then what about "Former Yugoslavian Republic Macedonia"... do they have 4 capitals? 21:53:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> except the lord himself, he gets two capitals (in the 16th century origin of the capitalising) 21:53:48 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: See, we just capitalise Him and things He does. 21:54:00 <Prof_Frink> Nah, that's a silly place 21:54:15 <svip> Why is capital and capital spelt the same way in English? 21:54:26 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause3: two capitals? like GOtt? 21:54:38 <svip> More like goTT 21:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> valhallasw: i think Martin Luther used the term "HErr" 21:54:46 <glx> good one :) 21:55:08 <svip> Mein Gott im Himmel! 21:55:08 <Bjarni> <svip> Why is capital and capital spelt the same way in English? <-- for the same reason as "så" is spelled like "så" ;) 21:55:11 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78870.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 21:55:16 <svip> That makes sense. 21:55:18 <svip> "Så så jeg en fisk." 21:55:27 <svip> And "Er det det det er?" 21:55:31 <valhallasw> svip: because it's the capital <city> and a capital <letter> 21:55:34 * Bjarni puts up a sign "gone fishing" 21:55:44 <Prof_Frink> s/g/'/ 21:55:52 <Prof_Frink> sorry 21:55:56 <Prof_Frink> s/g$/'/ 21:56:00 <Bjarni> <svip> And "Er det det det er?" <--- good one 21:56:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is believed that his bible translation, together with the new publication ways (from his good friend Johannes Gutenberg) are the origin of this capitalisation 21:56:47 <svip> :| 21:56:57 <svip> What's with all this Bible none-sense? 21:57:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> because it was the first time that written words could be mass produced 21:57:04 <svip> So Martin Luther was crazy and jazz? 21:57:06 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 21:57:21 <svip> Did he have a dream? 21:57:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> so this initial publication greatly influenced the future style of writing 21:57:43 <svip> So apparently no king. 21:58:00 <svip> Okay, Eddi|zuHause3. 21:58:10 <svip> I admit that Germany has a much more awesome history than Denmark has. 21:58:17 <svip> But that still doesn't beat LEGO. 21:58:21 <Bjarni> actually Gutenberg didn't invent the printing press, but he improved it to set up a page way faster. The Chinese had printed books for ages at that time 21:58:55 <ln-> NVidia 21:59:08 <Bjarni> we have some history in common with Germany 21:59:17 <svip> ATI 21:59:19 <Prof_Frink> svip: Once again, you prove England's greatness. 21:59:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, he did not invent printing, he invented moveable letters, i.e. pages made up from small bits, that could be rearranged later 21:59:25 <Bjarni> we were both ruled by Hitler and even at the same time 21:59:28 <svip> Why, Prof_Frink? 21:59:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> instead of carving an own plate for each page 21:59:43 <svip> Are you going to bring up the false claim that it was a Brit who invented LEGO? 21:59:45 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: yeah, so you know. Most people don't :( 21:59:49 <Prof_Frink> Meccano > Lego. 21:59:54 <svip> Meccano? 21:59:56 <svip> Meccano? 21:59:57 <Prof_Frink> Yes. 21:59:59 <svip> No way. 22:00:02 <Prof_Frink> Way. 22:00:05 <svip> You can't be serious. 22:00:10 <svip> Nothing > LEGO. 22:00:14 <svip> Hell, not even nothing. 22:00:17 <Bjarni> welcome to kindergarten 22:00:25 <svip> Bjarni. 22:00:33 <svip> Why you'd think TrueBrain picked LEGO over Meccano? 22:00:36 <Bjarni> svip. 22:00:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> if i am nothing, does that mean i am greater than lego? :p 22:00:46 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: No, you can't have sharp pieces of metal in playschool. 22:00:47 <svip> No. 22:01:00 <svip> You cannot be nothing, you can only be no one. 22:01:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> svip: TrueBrain just stole the next best stuff he could find, which was Wolf01's brickland tiles 22:01:17 * Bjarni once built a robot out of lego 22:01:20 <Prof_Frink> svip: OK, you stab me with a lego brick, I'll stab you with a piece of meccano. 22:01:21 <valhallasw> meccano >> lego; although both have some strengths and weaknesses 22:01:28 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause3: I don't steal, I ask for permission 22:01:33 <svip> Stabbing? 22:01:43 <svip> TrueBrain: Right. 22:01:43 <valhallasw> for little children lego might be better suited 22:01:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> TrueBrain: poor excuse :p 22:01:52 <valhallasw> anyway, meccano > lego > k'nex ;) 22:01:57 <Prof_Frink> I had both. 22:02:11 <TrueBrain> k'nex sucks 22:02:16 <svip> Then why is there no Meccano Star Wars? 22:02:18 <svip> Huh? HUH?! 22:02:30 <Prof_Frink> A mix of meccano, lego and a Hornby train set is pure win. 22:02:39 <TrueBrain> Meccano sucks for a theme :s 22:02:46 <svip> See? 22:02:49 <svip> LEGO wins there. 22:02:55 <svip> I have LEGO Star Wars II. 22:02:58 <svip> ;-; It's awesome. 22:03:02 <valhallasw> svip: because themed construction sets suck 22:03:09 <valhallasw> as the parts are not re-useable 22:03:11 <svip> I am thinking about the games. 22:03:14 <Prof_Frink> Pfft 22:03:26 <TrueBrain> on XBox it is cool to do when you are drunk with your roommates 22:03:28 <TrueBrain> we had suck a good laugh 22:03:30 <Prof_Frink> There's no freaking *point* to virtual meccano 22:03:39 <svip> See? 22:03:49 <svip> It doesn't even have potential! 22:03:53 <Prof_Frink> There's no point to virtual lego either. 22:04:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> am i the only one in here that has no idea what meccano is? 22:04:05 <Prof_Frink> The whole idea is to build something 22:04:08 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: many points, we call them stubs 22:04:16 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meccano ? 22:04:18 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause3: I google'd it, and noticed I knew it all along :p 22:04:27 <svip> And can you make anything like this with Meccano? 22:04:28 <svip> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ3AcPEPbH0 22:04:28 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: Imagine Lego, but designed by an engineer 22:04:43 * Bjarni once built a working trebuchet out of lego 22:04:44 <Prof_Frink> But anyway 22:04:54 <Prof_Frink> Steel > plastic. 22:04:55 <Bjarni> it was able to shoot several meters :D 22:05:24 <valhallasw> steel lego would be nice 22:05:25 <glx> Bjarni: how many broken windows ? ;) 22:05:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> oh, yes, i think we had an east german copy of that :p 22:05:28 <valhallasw> kinda deadly, too 22:05:32 <TrueBrain> valhallasw: lol!!! :) 22:05:43 <svip> Steel LEGO? 22:05:43 <TrueBrain> steel lego, oh, that is a good one :) 22:05:47 <svip> I have a steel LEGO brick. 22:05:50 <TrueBrain> deadly indeed :) 22:05:53 <Bjarni> glx: none. I was careful. I didn't kill anybody either 22:05:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> my father built an easter-egg-painting-machine from those :p 22:06:01 <Bjarni> except for the lego guy I tried to use as ammo 22:06:02 <Bjarni> :P 22:06:15 <TrueBrain> MURDERER! 22:06:21 <TrueBrain> I am going to report you! 22:06:24 * valhallasw is going to bed, gn guys 22:06:29 <TrueBrain> night valhallasw 22:06:37 <svip> Just as the killing sets in. 22:06:46 <TrueBrain> valhallasw: btw, ever made it through the 1st year? 22:06:54 <valhallasw> TrueBrain: yes, I've got my P 22:06:57 <TrueBrain> concratz! 22:06:58 <Prof_Frink> If you're gonna take out a window, do it with a spud gun. 22:06:59 <valhallasw> thx 22:07:01 <TrueBrain> that is really nice, in one year 22:07:04 <TrueBrain> 80% fails in that :p 22:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> i didn't even know what a trebuchet was, until i played Age of Empires II 22:07:12 <TrueBrain> sleep well :) 22:07:14 <valhallasw> 50% failed in getting the BSA... 22:07:17 <valhallasw> :( 22:07:20 <TrueBrain> 50%? 22:07:22 <TrueBrain> Auch! 22:07:29 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: You don't watch Scrapheap Challenge? 22:07:32 <valhallasw> or something like that 22:07:32 <TrueBrain> so we are back to, what, 20 students? :p 22:07:37 <TrueBrain> (NA + SK) 22:07:39 <TrueBrain> SK? 22:07:40 <TrueBrain> lol 22:07:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> Prof_Frink: a what? 22:07:44 <TrueBrain> N + A :p 22:07:46 <valhallasw> :P 22:07:52 <valhallasw> 20 or 30, yes 22:07:54 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: It's like giant meccano 22:07:57 <TrueBrain> fun fun 22:08:03 <valhallasw> some W+N people who have switched to W, too, of course 22:08:11 <TrueBrain> hehe, and you? 22:08:21 <TrueBrain> continueing with some I classes? 22:08:40 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: Two teams get ten hours to build something from whatever they can find on a scrap heap. 22:08:43 <valhallasw> compiler construction, probably 22:09:12 <TrueBrain> 3rd year class? Hehe :) 22:09:40 <valhallasw> I'm only doing classes I find interesting ;) 22:09:45 <TrueBrain> :) Haha! 22:09:53 <TrueBrain> some classes indeed are pretty boring :p 22:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> Prof_Frink: i don't think i have ever seen such a thing 22:09:57 <TrueBrain> the history of programming languages 22:09:59 <TrueBrain> yeah! :p 22:10:29 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: 'tis probably the second best program on TV 22:10:37 <valhallasw> anyway, time for bed, kinda dead (ludieke zaalavond @ quintus) 22:10:43 <TrueBrain> haha :) 22:10:46 <TrueBrain> Quintus, sigh... 22:10:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can fill more than 2 lessons with history of programming languages? 22:10:47 <TrueBrain> night :p 22:11:03 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause3: they wrote a whole darn book about it! 22:11:06 <TrueBrain> 500 pages! 22:11:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> i mean you show like 3 different languages, and give them the "evolution tree" 22:11:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> and you are done with it... 22:11:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> they all look alike anyway 22:11:35 <TrueBrain> clearly there is more to it 22:11:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> one guest professor always said: "there is nothing new under the sun" 22:12:08 <TrueBrain> and he is right 22:12:12 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 22:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> whenever he introduced a "brand new" concept 22:12:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's always the same thing in a new package 22:13:49 <TrueBrain> and still you have to study it :p 22:13:52 <TrueBrain> how annoying :) 22:14:22 <TrueBrain> now I have to learn Python to create a project of mine 22:14:53 <glx> there are only 2 languages, C-like and emacs-like 22:15:02 <TrueBrain> glx: fortran 22:15:27 <glx> how does it look? 22:15:52 <Prof_Frink> glx: whitespace 22:15:58 <TrueBrain> http://people.mandriva.com/~prigaux/language-study/diagram-light.png 22:16:26 <glx> I learnt smalltalk 22:16:37 <glx> "everything is object" 22:17:23 <TrueBrain> is it me or is PHP missing? 22:17:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think our tree had a few more branches... 22:17:57 <glx> right PHP is missing 22:18:07 <glx> I learnt O'Caml too 22:18:11 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause3: google, images, one of the first hits ;) 22:19:08 <glx> lol prolog is alone 22:19:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, it really is :) 22:19:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is completely distinct from every other language :p 22:19:40 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> i learned prolog in our AI course 22:19:54 <glx> yes it uses rules 22:20:21 <glx> you need to think about all rules 22:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes it rules :p 22:21:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> i found it totally funny, but the other guys were completely unable to program in it :) 22:21:41 <Bjarni> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gXiql8Fm64A <--- some more cool lego 22:33:39 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-185-007.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:33:48 <svip> :| 22:33:57 <svip> How do I check if one tile has all four types of road on it? 22:34:05 <svip> Or if a road is crossed by a railroad track? 22:34:29 <glx> we have accessors for that 22:34:36 <svip> Yeah. 22:34:45 <svip> But they keep giving me assertions failures. 22:34:50 <svip> bool IsCrossingBarred(TileIndex): Assertion `GetRoadTileType(t) == ROAD_TILE_CROSSING' failed. 22:36:23 <svip> It's just that the road_map.h file is so badly commented. 22:36:23 <glx> use IsLevelCrossing(t) or IsLevelCrossingTile(t) first 22:36:33 <glx> names are explicit 22:36:44 <glx> but you're right about comments 22:37:33 <svip> Now I just need if a tile has roads in all four directions. 22:38:56 <glx> GetRoadButs 22:39:04 <glx> GetRoadBits 22:39:08 <svip> :] 22:39:56 <glx> GetRoadBits(t) == ROAD_ALL 22:40:00 <svip> :] Yeah. 22:40:06 <svip> Now I also need to check if it is on a slope. 22:40:14 <svip> Well, if it goes from one level to another. 22:41:43 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: VIP Gill ;D] 22:43:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D578.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:00 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host81-158-73-45.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:35 <ln-> is it legal for OTTD to search for servers on LAN with UDP broadcast in germany? 22:44:56 <TrueBrain> it is sniffing :p 22:44:58 <glx> hehe good question :) 22:46:01 <ln-> definitely sniffing, and one can't argue a LAN would always be someone's (or some company's) own private LAN. 22:46:52 <svip> :/ 22:46:59 <svip> There is no function to get the Slope at a tile? 22:47:01 <svip> That's silly. 22:47:11 <glx> svip: I'm sure there is one 22:47:17 <svip> GetTileSlope(TileIndex tile, uint *h) 22:47:21 <svip> Yeah, but what the hell is h? 22:47:29 <glx> can be NULL 22:47:30 <Sacro> hmm 22:47:36 <Sacro> UDP might be a bit of a grey area 22:47:39 <ln-> ain't it some constant in Schrödinger's equation 22:48:04 <glx> it's a pointer to a var that can receive the return of GetTileSlope() 22:49:35 <glx> hmm I'm wrong 22:49:45 <glx> h is used to get the height 22:54:36 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-147-168-235.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:54:55 <svip> Is there a smarter way to get wither or not a road goes up a slope? 22:55:03 <svip> Because the slope does not have much to do with the road itself. 22:55:15 <svip> The road can go up on slopes that actually slope in a different direction. 22:58:49 <svip> And I'm off to bed. 22:59:46 <TrueBrain> night svip 23:08:47 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-228-83.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:08:49 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-228-83.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 23:09:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-26-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15:21 *** ITSBTH_ [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 23:15:21 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:09 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:29:22 <_Ben_> hmm the order the sprites are drawn on bridges seems to be different for different bridge heights. Is there any reason for this? 23:30:01 <_Ben_> i.e. the legs. They appear earlier, on higher bridges, than the bridge floor, but the same cannot be said for the lowest bridge 23:34:20 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 23:34:20 *** ITSBTH_ [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's probably because the 1-level bridges are from TTD, while the high bridges are more kind of a "hack" that was introduced later 23:37:26 <_Ben_> hmm, To solve it will be hacky in a graphical sence. I would have to make elements of the bridge extrude over the problem overlapping other tiles 23:39:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> i remember there were lots of drawing problems with high bridges in the past... 23:40:42 <_Ben_> yeah there are others that are very apparent at high zoom, all to do with the legs, I'll worry about them when I get to them I think 23:41:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think the official term is "pillars" ;) 23:45:17 <_Ben_> More architecturally correct I suppose. I'll add it to my vocabulary!