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00:00:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> "dbg: [misc] [utf8] unknown string command character 57368" 00:01:03 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: * BEEP *] 00:01:13 <Rubidium> probably not, but it could be 00:01:44 <Rubidium> primarily because TTDPs string codes < 255 00:05:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, weird... i have a conflict, but the two sections look exactly the same... 00:06:04 <glx> no one has a space before */ ;) 00:10:59 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 00:16:27 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause2, did yo played a lot with alpine in ttd? 00:17:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> i used ttdpatch long before newgrf... 00:17:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> so not 00:18:01 <Belugas> mmh. 00:18:37 <Belugas> so, knowing exactly what MB changed (apart from the graphics) would mean asking him 00:18:40 <Belugas> hurg... 00:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> according to the readme, he ported the temperate industry scheme to arctic 00:23:13 <Belugas> i was more concerned about the eventual features underneath, like callbaks and such 00:25:05 <glx> most callbacks are done now 00:32:54 *** Gekko [~gekko@CPE-58-166-116-114.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, the farm i founded still closes immediately 00:45:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-158-221.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:50:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> they are fine if i use the production cheat on them in the first month 01:00:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:01:16 *** Grey [~Greyscale@86.160.170.79] has joined #openttd 01:03:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> *mental note* do not go to a city with trams while on fast forward... 01:03:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80560.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:05:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:05:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:09:21 *** Grey [~Greyscale@86.160.170.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:22:45 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-22-217.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:33 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B73D74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> weird... i built a station and it got the same name as a previously built one... 01:37:57 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B765CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:32 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:54 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 01:56:37 *** N101 [~Name101@CPE-124-179-80-175.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:11:52 *** N101 [~Name101@CPE-124-179-80-175.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:24:58 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:31:04 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B73D74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:46:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7678D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:52:20 *** Red [~Red@71-10-84-229.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #openttd 03:02:29 *** gfldex_ is now known as gfldex 03:11:49 *** MrBrrr [~chatzilla@bas3-montreal02-1096688083.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 03:21:39 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 03:25:15 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 03:25:47 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-084-058-058-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:26:26 *** N101 is now known as N101|AWAY 03:32:39 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-084-058-078-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:32:40 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D4AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:35:02 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498DF1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:02:40 *** Red [~Red@71-10-84-229.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:15:48 *** gfldex_ is now known as gfldex 05:06:59 *** N101|AWAY is now known as N101 05:20:06 *** Banana [Banana@163-131-58-66.gci.net] has joined #openttd 05:20:15 <Banana> !password 05:20:23 *** Banana [Banana@163-131-58-66.gci.net] has quit [] 05:37:28 <Phazorx> heh 05:37:32 <Phazorx> obsessive 05:37:46 <Phazorx> is there a way to ban by subnet in ottd ? 05:44:25 *** Name101__ [~Name101@CPE-124-179-80-175.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:44:57 *** Name101__ is now known as banana 05:46:52 *** banana [~Name101@CPE-124-179-80-175.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 06:12:05 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 06:19:57 *** N101 [~Name101@CPE-124-179-80-175.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:21:22 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-135-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:26:52 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-186-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27:02 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 06:45:36 *** nairan is now known as mcbane 06:45:43 <mcbane> morning 06:46:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF67.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:49:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF67.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:57:28 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:13:39 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-159-223.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 07:19:42 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065229.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:29:25 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 07:31:18 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0EB80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:37:21 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387CB97.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:38:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11146 /branches/noai/ (166 files in 14 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r11035:11045. 07:54:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:54:46 <Wolf01> hello 07:56:33 <Noldo> hi 07:59:56 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-6-171.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:05:24 *** Gekko [~gekko@CPE-58-166-116-114.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:06:34 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 08:14:53 *** Gekko [~gekko@CPE-58-166-116-114.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:16:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:23:59 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:57:58 *** tadev [~58722afe@207.250.49.24] has joined #openttd 09:08:19 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387CB97.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:09:28 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 09:10:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB97.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:13:08 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:13:11 <Nickman> hi all 09:15:46 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:29 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 09:18:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 09:20:01 *** tadev [~58722afe@207.250.49.24] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 09:25:45 *** Gekko [~gekko@CPE-58-166-116-114.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:29:28 *** Gekkko [~gekko@CPE-58-166-116-114.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:29:28 *** Gekko [~gekko@CPE-58-166-116-114.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:52 *** Name101 [~Name101@CPE-58-165-196-7.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:33:22 *** Name101 is now known as N101 09:38:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11147 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Fix [FS#1247] (r11105): reallow bounding boxes with x/y/z-extent 0. Some NewGRFs need them. Patch by frosch. 09:38:55 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-151-10-4.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:41:14 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-133-71-209.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:42:02 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host81-151-10-4.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:44:01 *** N101 [~Name101@CPE-58-165-196-7.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:44:20 *** Name101 [~Name101@CPE-58-165-196-7.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:45:58 *** Gekkko [~gekko@CPE-58-166-116-114.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: http://bbqsrc.net] 09:47:01 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-151-10-4.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:49 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06:54 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:06:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7678D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:12 <SpComb> there, now MyOTTD supports changing the patch settings as well 10:07:38 <SpComb> it's a bit annoying how OpenTTD writes out the config when it quits, but stopping OpenTTD, writing it out, and then starting it again isn't such a big pain 10:10:34 <Rubidium> SpComb: there's a command line parameter to not write the config file 10:11:10 <Rubidium> hmm, that's only trunk it seems 10:22:45 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-209-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:28 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 10:26:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11148 /trunk/ (Makefile.src.in config.lib): -Codechange: add support for getting version numbers from Mercurial/HG instead of norev000 (when using a Mercurial/HG clone that is). 10:35:45 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 10:39:42 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-209-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:16 *** zambba [zambba@puoliintumisaika.fi] has left #openttd [KOPOBA ECT CO6AKY] 10:51:46 *** onyma [~gs@cpe-75-82-65-180.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 10:51:51 *** onyma [~gs@cpe-75-82-65-180.socal.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 10:54:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r11149 /trunk/src/ (macros.h newgrf_house.cpp): -Fix [FS#1225]: Draw building stages for new house ground sprites. 11:01:45 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB97.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:05:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11150 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix [FS#1202]: NewGRF action 3 does not necessarily need an action 1 to be defined. Patch by frosch. 11:09:12 <valhallasw> is there a way to change the team of a user, server-side? 11:09:19 <valhallasw> i.e. to force someone to be a spectator 11:09:44 <Ammler> instead of banning him 11:10:38 <Rubidium> not without going very complex and possibly desyncing the game (with the current binary that is) 11:11:13 <Ammler> its something simular after bankrupt 11:12:39 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB97.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:12:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7583B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:17:18 <Ammler> Rubidium: you mean, if you only patch the server? 11:18:48 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-6-171.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:20:47 <blathijs> Ammler: yes 11:22:08 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-6-171.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:08 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 11:22:47 <Rubidium> well, you could try GDB magic 11:22:59 <Rubidium> but it's likely that the client will desync and then just reconnect 11:24:11 <SpComb> eat his money 11:24:48 <blathijs> What's the problem with banning? 11:25:02 <blathijs> You want him to stick around and think about what he has done? :-p 11:26:08 <Eddi|zuHause> while you are touching that code... allow creating/joining a company from spectator mode 11:26:19 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 11:28:31 <Ammler> blathijs: hehe, silly 11:29:24 <Ammler> maybe its better to have the "bad guy" in spctator mode then trying another way to join 11:30:37 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB97.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:31 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB97.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:40:52 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host81-151-10-4.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:56 <Prof_Frink> Ammler: And you could have a 'sin bin', stopping people building for 6 months or so 11:46:02 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 12:03:38 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-96.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:08:33 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-209-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:07 *** _42_ [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:02 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16:36 *** Xaxa [xaxa3@88.80.35.242] has joined #openttd 12:18:48 *** Name101 is now known as N101 12:22:13 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-68-70.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:22:39 *** _42_ [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 12:28:48 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-6-171.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:28:48 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 12:30:56 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:35:13 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 12:35:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 12:38:22 *** _42_ [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:26 <Ammler> http://nightly.openttd.org/ <-- unreachable 12:39:38 <Ammler> which revision is current nightly? 12:42:01 <glx> Ammler: even if you know the rev, you won't be able to get it 12:42:36 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:33 <Ammler> yeah, just realized, svn is also death 12:44:42 <Ammler> and TrueBrain is in vacation 12:44:46 <glx> yes 12:45:11 <Ammler> does that mean, we have to wait until he returns? 12:45:56 <Ammler> nightly builds don't run on my machine 12:46:03 <Ammler> I need sources 12:46:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7583B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:46:46 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:55 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 12:52:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are nightly source packages 12:54:39 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: path? http://nightly.openttd.org/src/ isn't 12:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> how should i know... i never needed them 12:55:28 <glx> anyway it's unreachable 12:55:40 <Ammler> http://nightly.openttd.org/linux-i686 12:55:46 <Ammler> ^^reachable 12:56:15 <Ammler> not everything is unreachalbe 12:56:20 <glx> http://nightly.openttd.org/source/ 12:56:52 <Ammler> thx 12:56:58 <Ammler> sry, thanks 12:57:15 <Ammler> omg 12:58:53 <glx> nightly files are on another server 13:00:34 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:34 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:41 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 13:04:19 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:08:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:09:16 <Sacro> hmm 13:10:05 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-209-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:12 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:11:56 <valhallasw> blathijs: the problem with banning is that there are no ban messages 13:12:19 <valhallasw> generally, we want to force people who are not on the IRC channel to spectate 13:12:24 <blathijs> So someone doesn't know he's banned and why? 13:12:50 <valhallasw> yes 13:13:00 *** Mark [~Mark@86.84.7.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:05 <blathijs> Wouldn't it be a better solution to add a ban messag then? 13:13:18 <valhallasw> well, banning because someone is not on irc is kinda stupid 13:13:21 <blathijs> Or just use normal chat to tell someone why he is being banned, just before doing so? 13:13:40 <blathijs> ah yes, I see 13:13:41 <valhallasw> autopilot can do that (: 13:13:43 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:14:17 <valhallasw> and as the irc banning options are more extensive than openttds... :) 13:14:38 <valhallasw> (and does banning prevent someone from spectating?) 13:15:05 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:07 <valhallasw> oh great, but SVN is down so devving is out of the question :P 13:16:41 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:17:38 <Prof_Frink> valhallasw: Sounds like an excellent time to learn git/mercurial/vcs-of-the-day 13:18:17 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:05 <glx> Prof_Frink: they are down too ;) 13:20:42 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:21:46 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:12 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:24:18 <Prof_Frink> How fail. 13:24:30 <glx> unreachable 13:24:45 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:12 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: grocery shopping :w] 13:27:24 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:28:44 <Ammler> glx: those source packs seems to be not the same as the builds, after compiling, I get the revision 11101M 13:28:44 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:30:27 <glx> latest is 11139 13:30:50 <glx> you extracted it in your svn dir? 13:31:37 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:32:16 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:29 <Ammler> glx: yes 13:32:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ammler: it still takes the revision number from you last svn update 13:33:03 <Ammler> and I also compiled it in its own dir 13:33:39 <Ammler> Is Truelight the onlyone who can admin the server? 13:33:49 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-247.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 13:34:16 <Ammler> you should really think about transfer it to sourceforge 13:35:13 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:35:25 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:51 *** unknown [~unknown@cp210686-b.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:36:22 <unknown> where can i get the latest nightly, now the webserver seems to be down? 13:36:29 <Ammler> :) 13:36:40 <Ammler> http://nightly.openttd.org/linux-i686 13:37:12 <glx> unknown: platform? 13:37:35 <unknown> Ammler: thanks 13:37:44 <Ammler> would be nice if http://nightly.openttd.org/ not redirected to www 13:38:15 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:38:56 <glx> http://nightly.openttd.org/latest/ <-- even better 13:39:40 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:27 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:42:55 <Ammler> glx: yeah, thats a good workaround :) 13:43:17 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:04 <Ammler> where can I see the revision in the source? 13:45:10 <glx> it's in src/rev.cpp, but only after configure, and needs svn to get it 13:45:54 <glx> unless you tell it as a configure arg 13:46:17 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:24 <Ammler> so i can just take --revision=r11139 ? 13:46:29 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:46:42 <glx> yes 13:47:49 <Ammler> :( server doesn't start anymore..., I quit 13:48:16 <Ammler> do we really to wait until Truelight comes back? 13:49:06 <valhallasw> well... yes 13:50:18 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:50:32 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:01 *** unknown [~unknown@cp210686-b.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has left #openttd [] 13:52:48 *** Mark [~Mark@86.84.7.53] has joined #openttd 13:53:57 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:54:32 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:19 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:13 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:03:09 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:03:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> this thgerg* thing is already going on for weeks... 14:03:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's getting old... 14:03:32 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-232-235.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 14:04:02 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:54 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:07:13 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:17 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:54 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 14:08:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 14:10:10 *** _42_ [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 14:11:12 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:12 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:12:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 14:13:30 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:13:56 *** Xaxa [xaxa3@88.80.35.242] has quit [] 14:14:57 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:27 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:17:02 *** Amix [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has joined #openttd 14:20:17 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:21:31 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:16 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:24:31 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:52 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:28:20 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:52 <Sacro> can someon+b him? 14:30:53 <ln-> Bjarni can! 14:31:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, please 14:31:59 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:32:17 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:49 <Sacro> thgergo: either a) fix your internet, or b) DISABLE AUTOJOIN 14:32:51 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:07 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:34:26 <Sacro> @seen thg* 14:34:27 <DorpsGek> Sacro: thgergo was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <thgergo> !password 14:34:58 <Sacro> Bjarni: requesting +b on therg* 14:35:04 <Sacro> err 14:35:08 <Sacro> thgerg* even 14:35:19 <Amix> i just love the trams :) 14:35:36 <Amix> especially goods trams 14:35:52 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:35:57 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36:20 <Sacro> thgerg2: QUIT SPAMMING THE CHANNEL 14:36:43 <Amix> his ip can be the reason aswell Sacro 14:36:45 <hylje> Sacro: /ignore #openttd joins quits nicks parts 14:36:59 <Sacro> hylje: i don't like to do that 14:37:15 <Amix> ignore, heh 14:37:31 <hylje> you won't be missed 14:37:33 <hylje> :-) 14:37:51 <hylje> but really, given a sane irc client it should deal with annoying crap 14:38:35 <Amix> true 14:38:54 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:39:11 <ln-> Bjarni: wake up 14:40:02 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:41 <Amix> you have to get into his dreams and wake him up ;p but thats a hard task i guess :) 14:42:46 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:43:41 <Bjarni> huh 14:43:49 <Bjarni> what's going on here? 14:43:57 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:46 <Bjarni> so you want me to ban a guy because he has an unstable connection? 14:44:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: thgerg* is timing out every 4 minutes 14:44:56 <Tefad_> heh 14:45:02 *** Tefad_ is now known as Tefad 14:45:06 <ln-> Bjarni: exactly 14:45:08 <Tefad> i've been banned for that before 14:45:16 <Tefad> back when i had dialup and/or bpl 14:45:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> while the network timeout is 8 minutes... 14:46:45 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:46:45 <Bjarni> you mean he times out faster than the network would kick him? 14:46:57 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:47:00 <Bjarni> thgerg2: why are you so unstable? 14:47:35 <Bjarni> well.. I guess you already asked this 14:47:47 *** AmiXwoktest [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has joined #openttd 14:47:59 <AmiXwoktest> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/FradhamTransport25thMar2054.png 14:48:03 <ln-> just ban him to get rid of this constant spam 14:48:16 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*Thiering_@*.pool.t-online.hu] by Bjarni 14:48:19 *** mode/#openttd [+nt] by ChanServ 14:48:27 <AmiXwoktest> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/FradhamTransport30thMay2054.png 14:48:33 <AmiXwoktest> my goods tram 14:48:34 <Bjarni> hmm 14:48:34 <AmiXwoktest> :) 14:48:46 <Bjarni> where did the +n and +t come from? 14:49:04 <AmiXwoktest> +t is title 14:49:08 <Rubidium> ChanServ rebooting 14:49:15 <Bjarni> ahh 14:50:47 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:51:02 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0EB80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:51:04 <Tefad> +n means people outside the channel aren't permitted to send messages into the channel 14:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> [2007-09-23 16:48] *** ChanServ setzt den Kanalmodus auf "keine Nachrichten von auÃerhalb". 14:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> [2007-09-23 16:48] *** ChanServ schaltet den Topic-Schutz ein. 14:52:06 <Tefad> IRC started off without channels. the owner of the server was the operator.. 14:52:20 <Bjarni> huh.. that last screenshot... why is there a black triangle to the left? 14:52:38 <Bjarni> looks like a jet plane shadow, but too dark to be a shadow 14:52:38 <AmiXwoktest> ? 14:52:43 <AmiXwoktest> which one? 14:52:49 <glx> map border Bjarni 14:52:57 <Bjarni> not that one :P 14:53:02 <Tefad> hehehe 14:53:09 <AmiXwoktest> ahh 14:53:12 <AmiXwoktest> because of menus 14:53:12 <Bjarni> the small one on the trees 14:53:22 <AmiXwoktest> they are a bit screwed up in latest nightly build 14:53:25 <Sacro> there is another at Larningpool Falls West 14:53:43 <Bjarni> yeah 14:53:46 <Tefad> UFOs 14:53:53 <Tefad> the aliens have taken over 14:54:00 <Bjarni> ssh 14:54:03 <Bjarni> that's a secret 14:54:16 <Bjarni> don't tell about our invasion plans 14:54:23 <AmiXwoktest> its the tram alien ;p 14:54:36 <hylje> *bzzzzzzzz* 14:54:47 *** thgerg2 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788E0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:55:27 <Bjarni> I kind of feel sorry for thgerg 14:56:10 <Bjarni> remind me to unban him in a few hours 14:56:59 <Bjarni> I have nothing against banning trolls and stuff like that, but this guy... he is not even trying to be mean at all 14:57:14 <Tefad> wait for him to come back 14:57:20 <Tefad> then kick/ban him with a reason 14:57:23 <Tefad> so he'll have some clue 14:57:31 <Tefad> or leave him a friendly PM ; ) 14:58:01 <ln-> Bjarni: if you unban him, the same thing is likely to continue. 14:58:18 <ln-> and ffs, the last time he spoke anything was a week ago. 15:00:11 <Sacro> and that was !password 15:00:37 <Sacro> i think we should cull all uses who haven't spoken in a week 15:00:44 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:00:44 <Sacro> s/uses/users/ 15:00:54 <SmatZ> hello all 15:01:00 <Sacro> you see 15:01:09 <Sacro> we need people who enter the channel and say "hello" 15:01:15 <Sacro> hello Sm 15:01:17 <Sacro> err 15:01:19 <Sacro> hello SmatZ 15:01:21 <SmatZ> sure 15:01:26 <SmatZ> hello Sacro 15:01:44 <SmatZ> it was a nice weekend... 15:01:51 <SmatZ> Monday tommorow 15:02:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> you also have monday tomorrow? 15:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> what a coincidence... 15:02:52 <SmatZ> yeah 15:03:04 <Sacro> we have montag 15:03:39 <SmatZ> we have pondeli :-p 15:03:43 <Rubidium> Sacro: that's not a valid English word. 15:04:18 <Rubidium> nor a correctly written German word. 15:04:53 <Sacro> oh yes 15:04:56 <Sacro> Montag 15:05:04 *** AmiXwoktest [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FDC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:10:06 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-232-235.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:24:39 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0EB80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:28:12 *** AmiXwoktest [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has joined #openttd 15:28:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, i have a feeling the freight train multiplyer has no effect anymore... 15:29:26 <AmiXwoktest> tokai: latest nigtly build runs, but I get "Error: Could not allocate memory for the group-sorting-list" when clicking the train icon. 15:30:54 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A496C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have now set a multiplier of 50, and my single BR 85 still climbs multiple slopes with 20 ore wagons as if they were filled with feathers 15:31:16 <skidd13> hi 15:32:09 <AmiXwoktest> does anyone else get tramsets to work with newest nightly build? 15:41:36 <mcbane> what is newest for ya? 15:41:46 <mcbane> sat 20:00 compiled? 15:42:40 <AmiXwoktest> the newest on www.openttd.org 15:42:46 <AmiXwoktest> under nightly 15:43:08 <glx> newest is not a version :) 15:43:27 <glx> should be r11139 15:43:34 <AmiXwoktest> yes 15:44:15 <AmiXwoktest> but i am using morphos 15:50:30 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB64F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:28 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:54:10 <Bjarni> AmiXwoktest: now you killed the channel with such an outstanding statement o_O 15:55:40 <Bjarni> "Error: Could not allocate memory for the group-sorting-list" <-- looks like you ran out of memory. For some reason malloc failed to allocate the needed memory 15:57:52 <Sacro> ooh 15:57:57 <Sacro> i might have my Sparc box soon :D 15:59:29 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:08 <Sacro> huge a***nal fan 16:01:16 <Sacro> i <3 overzealous filtering 16:01:37 <hylje> a***nal 16:01:43 <Sacro> arsenal 16:02:06 <Sacro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_Problem 16:02:43 <hylje> you just had to look that up, did you not? 16:04:45 <AmiXwoktest> Bjarni: i have 512mb of ram 16:04:55 <AmiXwoktest> earlier nightly worked 16:04:58 <AmiXwoktest> but it works 16:05:05 <Sacro> hylje: i know the scunthorpe problem well, got kicked from many a channel because of it :( 16:05:09 <AmiXwoktest> until you want to see the list of your trains 16:05:16 <Sacro> hence i usually call it scunny 16:05:25 <hylje> scunty 16:07:38 <Sacro> zomg 16:07:44 <Sacro> i just found my stepsister on a dating site 16:08:00 <Prof_Frink> How rural. 16:08:40 <hylje> date her! 16:09:08 <Tefad> Sacro: pooper. 16:09:46 <Sacro> lol 16:09:54 <Bjarni> Sacro: contact her and she will start to look for women :P 16:11:49 * Bjarni wonders how Sacro figured out who the person behind the nick really is 16:11:49 *** AmiXwoktest [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:58 <Sacro> pics 16:12:07 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has joined #openttd 16:12:45 <Bjarni> any naughty ones? :P 16:14:03 <Sacro> no :( 16:14:25 <Bjarni> then it's useless 16:14:54 <Bjarni> it would have been interesting to keep such pics until you need to blackmail her for something 16:15:25 *** AmiXwoktest [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has joined #openttd 16:15:39 <AmiXwoktest> its like that in all nightly builds it seems 16:16:21 <AmiXwoktest> in 0.5.3 its all fine 16:16:35 <Bjarni> 0.5.3 should be fine 16:16:40 <Bjarni> it's a stable release ;) 16:16:44 <AmiXwoktest> hehe 16:16:51 <glx> 0.5.3 doesn't have groups 16:16:58 <Bjarni> that too 16:17:04 <AmiXwoktest> i just havent clicked on the train or bus icon in nightly builds before 16:17:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> that might be an explanation :p 16:17:10 <Bjarni> AmiXwoktest: do you have svn? 16:17:11 <AmiXwoktest> so now i found out the bug 16:17:18 <AmiXwoktest> Bjarni: svn? 16:17:25 <Bjarni> I take that as a no 16:17:42 <AmiXwoktest> what is svn? 16:17:57 <Progman> subversoin 16:18:01 <hylje> VCS 16:18:12 <AmiXwoktest> oki 16:18:13 <glx> AmiXwoktest: try disabling advanced vehicle list 16:18:31 <AmiXwoktest> oki 16:18:33 <Bjarni> AmiXwoktest: http://nightly.openttd.org/morphos/ <-- have fun figuring out which one it starts to fail in :P 16:18:36 <AmiXwoktest> in patches? 16:18:42 <glx> yes 16:18:51 <Bjarni> but do as glx says first 16:18:59 <Bjarni> as it might be simpler and faster to do 16:19:22 <glx> 19th line in Interface tab 16:19:31 <AmiXwoktest> glx: in interface? 16:19:36 <AmiXwoktest> or where? 16:19:50 <glx> the first tab in patches settings 16:20:53 <AmiXwoktest> ok 16:20:56 <glx> anyway it may be a gcc 2.95 bug 16:20:58 <AmiXwoktest> cant find it 16:21:59 <Bjarni> even if it's a gcc bug, it would be nice to get rid of this issue (if possible) 16:22:37 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: brb] 16:22:55 <AmiXwoktest> Bjarni: i didnt have same problem in osx 16:23:04 <AmiXwoktest> but then osx version got other problems ;p 16:23:57 <Bjarni> that really sounds like an MorphOS issue (or gcc 2.95 issue) 16:24:16 <AmiXwoktest> glx: where is the disabling advanced vehicle? 16:24:26 <AmiXwoktest> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/openttdr11125patch.png 16:24:52 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/screenshot.png 16:25:29 <AmiXwoktest> ahh 16:25:38 <AmiXwoktest> lets try then 16:25:40 <glx> 19th line :) 16:25:52 <AmiXwoktest> ahh 16:25:55 <AmiXwoktest> then it works 16:26:46 <Bjarni> since it appears to be a MorphOS issue, we should make tokai take a look 16:26:49 <AmiXwoktest> glx: i didnt look at the arrows,.. thinking not of them 16:27:01 <Bjarni> ... 16:27:47 <AmiXwoktest> Bjarni: but i dont really like the new box. seen it in osx version. 16:27:55 <AmiXwoktest> just my view 16:28:21 <Bjarni> the question if you like it or not isn't really the issue. The question if the game crashes or not is 16:30:51 <Bjarni> AmiXwoktest: post a bug report 16:31:09 <Bjarni> we will need to look at this issue.... no crashes allowed ;) 16:31:23 <Bjarni> leave those to other projects 16:31:38 <AmiXwoktest> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/openttdr11125_Error.png 16:32:01 <AmiXwoktest> this is the message i get when clicking the train, bus, boat or flight icon 16:32:24 <AmiXwoktest> when turning off the new interface, it works 16:32:52 <Bjarni> don't tell me. Tell the bug report :p 16:33:01 <Bjarni> http://bugs.openttd.org 16:34:22 <AmiXwoktest> oki 16:50:06 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 17:04:14 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E60D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, is this a newindustries, newcargos or general newgrf bug? i just got offered a food truck, but there is no food in this game 17:08:02 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0EB80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:34 *** Grey [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has joined #openttd 17:15:03 <_minime_> could be the grf 17:16:55 <AmiXwoktest> no 17:17:04 <AmiXwoktest> i deleted all of the extra grfs 17:17:17 <AmiXwoktest> and still it came up with the same error 17:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> he was talking to me... 17:17:57 <glx> AmiXwoktest: your problem seems to be Morphos specific 17:18:25 <_minime_> it's up to the grf what vehicles it provides for each climate, so that would be the first place i'd look 17:18:44 <gfldex> still DB set Eddi? 17:20:07 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:20 <AmiXwoktest> glx: oki 17:20:43 <mcbane> hmm cia is soo silent =% 17:21:38 <Prof_Frink> svn is down. 17:21:46 <glx> no it's fixed 17:21:47 <mcbane> urg 17:21:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> gfldex: the dbset does not change any trucks :p 17:21:55 <Prof_Frink> svn is not down. 17:21:57 <mcbane> 2 weeks no commits then?! 17:22:25 <glx> no there were commits yesterday 17:22:31 <glx> and even today 17:22:41 <glx> and in last week too 17:23:07 <mcbane> 11:05 today OpenTTD 17:23:08 <mcbane> Commit by rubidium :: r11150 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: 17:23:08 <mcbane> -Fix [FS#1202]: NewGRF action 3 does not necessarily need an action 1 to be defined. Patch by frosch. 17:23:10 <mcbane> sure? 17:24:28 <glx> that's the latest commit 17:25:04 <mcbane> it was today 17:32:59 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489E9EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:08 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:49:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> who is in charge of newcargos? it appears like the ion ore in alpine climate is not counted as freight, but as passengers, so the freight multiplier does not get applied to it. 17:50:00 <glx> theorically OTTD does what the grf says 17:50:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't have the patch to doublecheck 17:51:09 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498DF1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:57:09 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has joined #openttd 18:01:27 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A496C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:02:43 *** Grey [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:43 <Wolf01> could somebody translate this text for a friend of mine? "Bitte benutze den Bedankokaten um den Text sehen zu können." 18:11:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> "use the Thank-You-O-Mat to view the text" 18:11:30 <Wolf01> thank you :) 18:11:38 <ln-> is that "zu" necessary there? 18:11:46 <ln-> and wtf is a Thank-You-O-Mat? 18:11:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 18:11:55 <Wolf01> a forum function 18:12:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: usually a link at the bottom of the first post 18:12:27 <ln-> mmm'kay 18:13:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: to avoid hundreds of posts of the form "thank you for this <whatever>", you get a list: "these people have thanked the author: A, B, XYZ, Blah" 18:14:57 <ln-> makes some sense 18:19:37 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB64F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: about the "zu", "um [...] zu können" is a typical example of a "erweiterter Infinitiv mit zu" 18:21:25 <Bjarni> AmiXwoktest: how is it going with that bug report? 18:21:31 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7114.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:37 <AmiXwoktest> i havent regged 18:21:40 <AmiXwoktest> i will though 18:21:41 <AmiXwoktest> ;p 18:21:50 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause2: is there some situation where "zu" isn't used in front of auxiliary verbs, or am i completely mistaken? 18:22:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm not sure what you refer to as "auxiliary verb" 18:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> keep in mind, i am a native speaker, i just do The Right Thing(tm) 18:23:42 <ln-> "hilfsverb"... 18:24:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: yes, but i do not see the connection to the phrase here (or how it could be formulated differently without "zu") 18:25:40 <ln-> ok, not that particular sentence, no. 18:25:57 <hylje> zug zug 18:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> Zehn zahme Ziegen zogen zehn Zentner Zucker zur Zeitzer Zuckerfabrik. 18:27:30 <Bjarni> heh... nice sentence 18:27:31 <SmatZ> ln- do you mean something like "Ich will es machen" x "Ich gehe dort etwas zu machen"? I hope nothing is wrong with those sentences :) 18:27:37 <Bjarni> in Z mol :) 18:27:42 <SmatZ> :) 18:28:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> SmatZ: the 2nd one could use some improvement ;) 18:28:45 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498DF1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:03 *** exe [~dgxczv@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 18:29:11 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: sorry :( 18:31:00 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 18:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> but again that supports my point of view, this has nothing to do with auxiliary verbs (as "machen" is the main verb, "wollen" -> "ich will" is an auxiliary verb) 18:31:22 <Bjarni> fish... it was a sugar factory, not fish factory :P 18:34:22 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 18:34:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> how did you get the idea it was about fish? 18:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> the one about fish goes like: 18:35:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> Fischers Fritze fischt frische Fische, frische Fische fischt Fischers Fritze. 18:36:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are more of those... 18:36:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> Blaukraut bleibt Blaukraut und Brautkleid bleibt Brautkleid. [usually said 3 times fast] 18:38:05 <svippy> "Er det det det er?" 18:38:42 <svippy> IT sounds like... "Er det DDR?" 18:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is not a "Zungenbrecher" [tongue-breaker?] 18:39:14 <svippy> No. 18:39:20 <svippy> That's "RÞdgrÞd med flÞde." 18:39:26 <Maedhros> Eddi|zuHause2: tongue-twister :) 18:39:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> ah 18:47:45 <ln-> which one is more interesting, Hannover or Hamburg? 18:48:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> Hamburg has the model trains ;) 18:51:27 <ln-> hannover appears to be in niedersachsen 18:51:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have never been in either city 18:52:31 <ln-> i've been to both, in hannover i've even spent a few days. hamburg was more like airport <-> hauptbahnhof. 18:53:36 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:07:20 *** AmiXwoktest [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:38 <ln-> but, another thing; does someone want to recommend a quality motherboard with the following specs: 3xPCI slot, nforce chipset, preferably integrated graphics? 19:13:02 *** Amix [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:17:49 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:17:51 *** Grey [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has joined #openttd 19:24:20 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11151 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: add (partial) support for randomizing industry triggers (part of the backend for it). Furthermore update the documentation of the map's bits wrt to industries. 19:31:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FDC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 19:31:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FDC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:37:38 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:52:50 <ln-> http://youtube.com/watch?v=RlaUOEa2UGY 19:53:11 <Bjarni> huh 19:53:23 <Bjarni> right now the news are talking about how everybody are using youtube 19:54:22 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has joined #openttd 19:55:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11152 /trunk/src/ (4 files): 19:55:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: GetIndustryIDAtOffset crashed when translation of the GFX ID would be needed. Fix by Belugas. 19:55:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: GetIndustryIDAtOffset crashed when the industry->xy tile was not an industry tile. 19:57:46 *** Grey [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:15:01 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489B832.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:18:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FDC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:18 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-233-242.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:20:00 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489E9EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:03 <ln-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q35xHzjxB0 20:20:46 <Maedhros> is that Carol Vorderman? 20:20:50 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0CDE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:21:09 <Prof_Frink> Sounds like 20:21:14 <boekabart> it.... disappears!?!? 20:23:12 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 20:24:37 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E60D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:59 <Bjarni> looks like it 20:30:21 <Bjarni> ln-: how do you manage to find videos like that? 20:30:47 <Bjarni> do you search for emergency landing and disintegrating planes? 20:31:37 <ln-> the first one i found just by searching for "boeing 777", the second one someone pasted as a response to my first url. 20:32:38 *** Grey [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has joined #openttd 20:33:06 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: The purpose of youtube is to find videos of boomy things 20:33:47 <Bjarni> it is? 20:33:54 <Prof_Frink> My favourite being http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcmmLvAYqkI 20:34:03 <Prof_Frink> Much boomeration 20:35:12 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has joined #openttd 20:35:17 <Wolf01> 'night 20:35:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:36:52 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:37:07 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:22 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:25 <Bjarni> that last explosion... the shockwave that went through the ground made sheds and stuff collapse in a nearby town 20:40:49 <Bjarni> I can't remember how many km it was from the blast, but it was a pretty decent distance 20:40:53 *** Grey [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:48 <Bjarni> but... 20:42:07 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9rlwbsVoyM <-- you mean that I use youtube wrong when I find videos like that? 20:43:13 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:15 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c61hJuY6Yn0&mode=related&search= <-- LOL... sounds so odd 20:44:35 <Prof_Frink> At Las Vegas's McCarran International Airport seven miles (11 km) away, windows were cracked and doors were pushed open. A Boeing 737 on final approach was buffeted by the shock wave. 20:44:48 <Prof_Frink> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEPCON_disaster 20:47:15 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0CD54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:49:35 <Bjarni> this is hilarious... British locomotives speaking Japanese... it just sounds SO wrong XD 20:49:49 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has joined #openttd 20:51:00 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0CDE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:26 <Bjarni> http://youtube.com/watch?v=tF2ZPRmocs4 <--- hehe... real life railroad oops :P 20:55:45 <Bjarni> anybody interested in an explanation of why this happened? 20:56:39 <Rubidium> they put the train in neutral ;) 20:57:13 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-138-71-66.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:57:16 <Bjarni> no 20:57:28 <Bjarni> actually they did a full reverse when they tried to get it free 20:57:40 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0E742.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:53 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@86.160.171.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:26 <Tefad> plow's stuck pretty good, heh 20:59:43 <Bjarni> the thing is they delivered a great deal of force to the snow. The pressure increased and snow under high pressure melts, so when the train was stopped by the snow, the pressure decreased and the melted snow froze again, gluing the snowplow to the huge pile of snow 21:00:04 <Tefad> compressed snow at that 21:00:16 <Tefad> like a block of ice 21:00:26 <Bjarni> yeah... something like that 21:00:33 <Bjarni> and the snowplow was in the middle of it :P 21:01:25 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0CD54.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:05 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F7A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:42 *** AmiXwoktest [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has joined #openttd 21:12:20 <AmiXwoktest> autosave is also broken i think 21:13:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> AmiXwoktest: nobody here has morphos to test... 21:13:50 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0E742.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:51 <AmiXwoktest> i have 21:14:07 <AmiXwoktest> how do i dissable autosave function? 21:14:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the settings menu 21:14:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> autosave interval: 1/3/12 months or never 21:16:43 <Rubidium> AmiXwoktest: what version are you playing with? 21:19:56 <AmiXwoktest> 11125 now 21:19:56 <AmiXwoktest> Eddi|zuHause2: settings menu? 21:20:04 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-138-71-66.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:20:14 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc172.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 21:20:25 <glx> game options 21:20:26 <AmiXwoktest> ahh 21:20:27 <AmiXwoktest> sorry 21:20:29 <AmiXwoktest> thanks 21:21:16 <AmiXwoktest> screenshot saving works 21:21:24 <AmiXwoktest> but saving dosent 21:21:47 *** MUcht [~Mucht@87.160.255.252] has joined #openttd 21:24:25 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-154-96.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:24:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-96.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:26 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 21:24:35 <Rubidium> so MorphOS is fairly broken in the current nightlies? 21:24:51 <Rubidium> (read: unusable) 21:25:17 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F7A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:18 <glx> too much c++ for gcc 2.95 ;) 21:25:45 <Rubidium> nah, probably the search paths patch acting up for MorphOS 21:26:02 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489B832.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:25 <Bjarni> search paths wouldn't explain the group window crash 21:26:28 <glx> there's also a problem with advanced vehicle list 21:26:38 <Bjarni> *group vehicle window 21:26:47 <Rubidium> true 21:26:56 <Rubidium> though that GUI doesn't use any fancy C++ things 21:27:11 <glx> MallocT 21:27:26 <Rubidium> if MallocT is broken, then OTTD wouldn't even start 21:27:42 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@pc172.host4.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds] 21:27:48 <Rubidium> or it's MallocT-ing a size 0 array 21:27:57 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-138-71-66.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:15 <Rubidium> but that's only a thing someone with programming experience *and* a running MorphOS machine can tell us I think 21:28:41 <Bjarni> I only know one person that could fit that description 21:30:06 <Bjarni> so we should make two bug reports and assign them to tokai. It's likely that he is the only one who is able to figure out what goes wrong 21:30:11 <Bjarni> or 21:30:20 <Bjarni> tokai: are you here right now? :) 21:31:36 <AmiXwoktest> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/data.png 21:31:46 <AmiXwoktest> this is how openttd is structured 21:31:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> 'Michael Mittermeier: [... big dramatic excourse about wrecked enterprise ...] "and there is only one guy who can fix that." - Guy in audience: "MacGuyver!" - Michael Mittermeyer: "MacGuyver... He couldn't even get apprentice at Scotty."' 21:31:54 <AmiXwoktest> in mos 21:32:14 <AmiXwoktest> openttd have an .info icon aswell, which is the icon file 21:33:13 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: yeah, that's right. MacGuyver is fiction so he can't fix anything 21:34:28 <Bjarni> Enterprise on the other hand... it's in the future. You can't prove that it will not happen :P 21:35:10 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F93D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:10 * Bjarni considers the odds for a real faster than light Enterprise to be pretty close to zero though 21:35:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> mathmaticians have no real problems with odds close to zero :p 21:36:14 <Bjarni> neither have I 21:37:26 <Prof_Frink> It's aways fun listening to trekkies explaining how the Enterprise works 21:37:48 <Prof_Frink> It's even more fun to slap them with a big sign saying "It's not real!" 21:38:11 <Bjarni> if 1:10.000.000 car will explode every year, then odds are that it will eventually happen because there are so many cars and a whole lot of years. If you pick a particular car (like your own), it's highly unlikely that it will be the one to explode though 21:38:12 <ln-> it is! 21:38:50 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Or, to put it another way, it's millions-to-one that a given ticket will win the lottery 21:38:59 <Prof_Frink> But most weeks, someone does 21:39:08 <Bjarni> yeah, that too 21:39:32 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: try to ask trekkies if jedi knights can use the force to shut down a warp core 21:40:07 <Bjarni> hmm 21:40:12 <Prof_Frink> "zomg, the Force isn't real" 21:40:17 <Prof_Frink> "..." 21:40:18 <Bjarni> I should try to ask such a question myself :D 21:40:25 <Bjarni> would be interesting 21:40:33 <Prof_Frink> "Oh god, what have I been doing with my life?" 21:40:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's why a face recognition system that works correct 99% of the time is useless, because at an airport with 100.000 passengers, that means 1000 false alarms each day 21:40:48 <Bjarni> damn, I missed the sci-fi convention this weekend... I should have showed up and asked questions like that 21:41:32 <mcbane> wow lowes nightly rev server i saw in the list is r9978 =P 21:42:03 <Prof_Frink> Or, just point out that one Star Destroyer could wipe out most of starfleet 21:48:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> starwars guys couldn't hit an open barn door 21:49:28 <Bjarni> a powerplant with an uptime of 99,9% is actually pretty bad because it would mean that it has a downtime of 8,7 hours every year. People wouldn't accept that ;) 21:50:11 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause2: As Obi-wan says "Only imperial stormtroopers are this precise". wtf was he on about? 21:50:33 <Vikthor> Bjarni: I would say average powerplant has even greater downtime a year 21:51:26 *** Tyr_Arcana [~Tyr@82-45-213-67.cable.ubr03.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:51:27 <Bjarni> I'm not talking about planned downtime where it's planned that another turbine or powerplant takes over 21:51:56 <Bjarni> I'm talking about the "oops, now we unexpectedly lost power" uptime 21:52:01 <Bjarni> or downtime 21:52:14 <Vikthor> Bjarni: Even if its not planned downtime you can get away thanks to grid 21:52:17 <AmiXwoktest> heh 21:52:26 <AmiXwoktest> now i found out why i couldnt save 21:52:28 <AmiXwoktest> lol 21:52:39 <Bjarni> read only access? 21:52:40 <AmiXwoktest> forgot to add save dir 21:52:41 <mcbane> switched it off? 21:52:41 <AmiXwoktest> ;p 21:52:54 <Bjarni> you have to manually add a savedir? 21:52:54 <Tyr_Arcana> hi all, need some help with a bug 21:52:55 <glx> openttd creates it 21:53:02 <AmiXwoktest> no 21:53:03 <Bjarni> shouldn't that be created automatically? 21:53:15 <AmiXwoktest> but the save dir isnt with nightly builds 21:53:19 <Bjarni> Tyr_Arcana: you name it and we will create it :P 21:53:47 <AmiXwoktest> Bjarni: yes, but only when save dir is present 21:53:54 <glx> AmiXwoktest: there's an empty save dir in morphos releases? 21:54:14 <AmiXwoktest> in the morphos releases, there are no save dir 21:54:23 <AmiXwoktest> glx: look at the screenshot 21:54:25 <AmiXwoktest> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/data.png 21:54:28 <AmiXwoktest> ;) 21:54:37 <glx> I mean in 0.5.3 21:54:38 <Bjarni> OpenTTD should create the directories it needs when it opens 21:54:48 <Tyr_Arcana> hehe, well, its a bug I've seen in nightlies, but not in 0.5.2 or .3 21:55:18 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0C626.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:33 <Bjarni> Tyr_Arcana: that sounds like a new bug but we need more info than that if we should fix it 21:55:49 <Tyr_Arcana> the scroll arrows on scrollbars and dropdowns are replaced with flags, and the resize handle is an oversized black blob, which hangs out beyond the edges of the windows and messes up the landscape 21:56:30 <Tyr_Arcana> this on ppc osx 10.4.9 with r111118 and last nights nightly, probably other nightlies too but not checked 21:56:52 <Tyr_Arcana> and I haven't tried compiling my own version either yet 21:57:06 <glx> you mixed openttd.grf files 21:57:24 <Bjarni> interesting revision number 21:57:31 <glx> check the console, it must tell something about missing or corrupted file 21:57:31 <Bjarni> it's from the future 21:57:44 <Tyr_Arcana> lol, its some number of 1's lol, can't be bothered to count =) 21:57:44 <Prof_Frink> Quite a long way in the future 21:57:59 <Prof_Frink> Hopefully after 1.0 21:58:38 <Tyr_Arcana> I don't think I mixed up grf's... just downloaded it, and supplied the same set of original ttd grf's that the stock release wanted 21:58:59 <Tyr_Arcana> I def didn't copy anything from 0.5.2 into the nightly's folder 21:59:18 *** Nite [~anonym@chello062178193175.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 21:59:44 <Bjarni> I don't think it's a mixup either. I placed the openttd grf files inside the bundle so the enduser shouldn't be bothered with this. Updating is just a drag-n-drop and that's it... no need to look at the data stuff or lng 21:59:47 <glx> but it looks like you overwritten openttd.grf from the nightly with an older one 22:00:47 *** MUcht [~Mucht@87.160.255.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:53 * Bjarni tries the revision in question 22:01:08 <Tyr_Arcana> ah, you're right... the folder I was dragging in does have a copy of openttd.grf in it, well spotted 22:01:28 <Bjarni> ok, maybe I don't have to test it :P 22:01:51 <AmiXwoktest> Bjarni: are you the main coder of OpenTTD? 22:02:10 <Bjarni> :) 22:02:11 <Tyr_Arcana> I must confess, I got the data files as a bundle from a friend, not actually owning my own copy of the original ttd, I guess he just gave me his data folder instead of just the files I needed 22:02:13 <glx> the main for OSX :) 22:02:41 <glx> Tyr_Arcana: put the 6 needed files in a .tar 22:03:23 <Tyr_Arcana> well you've done a nice job of the port so far btw, runs nicely on my 300mhz g3 iBook (tangerine clamshell) 22:04:08 <AmiXwoktest> Bjarni: i dont know if you hate symbian or not. but does SDL programs work on Nokia N95 or E90 etc? And would OpenTTD be ported to them? How about Nintendo DS? 22:04:13 <Bjarni> I tested it on my beige G3 (that is until I decided to discontinue support for 10.2). It was playable 22:04:17 <glx> and for the nightlies you don't have to put ttd files in the same place you installed it 22:04:43 <Bjarni> NIntendo DS.... that reminds me of Alex_fili 22:04:44 <Tyr_Arcana> you don't? where d'they look then? 22:05:09 <glx> Bjarni should know where ottd searchs for files ;) 22:05:12 <Bjarni> Tyr_Arcana: Documents/OpenTTD/Data 22:05:25 <Bjarni> read the docs 22:05:32 <Bjarni> that I have yet to actually write :P 22:05:36 <Bjarni> hmm 22:05:43 <Tyr_Arcana> sowwy 22:05:45 <Bjarni> at least I don't think I wrote it anywhere yet 22:05:59 <Tyr_Arcana> well, I did notice that it was saving in there 22:06:52 <glx> once the ttd files are there, you can have as many nightlies version as you want without having to move/copy ttd files 22:07:10 <Bjarni> it's a directory common to all your own OpenTTD installs so if you like me have several binaries, you can just place all the newgrf files in there and they can all find them... much easier than giving each app their own set 22:07:41 <Tyr_Arcana> neat, I shall, thanx 22:07:43 <Bjarni> also you can just drop the game app where you want as it will no longer write files to the same directory 22:08:16 <Bjarni> say you can drop it in Applications if you like and all users can access it, but each user will have his own config and savegames 22:08:31 <Tyr_Arcana> thats cool 22:08:39 <Bjarni> well... it should work, but I didn't actually test it 22:08:41 <Tyr_Arcana> of course, thats how all apps *should* behave, but still nice 22:08:43 <Bjarni> maybe I should 22:09:18 <Bjarni> <Tyr_Arcana> of course, thats how all apps *should* behave <-- it's not how 0.5.3 behaves. It's a new feature for nightly builds 22:10:03 <Tyr_Arcana> yeah, but it'll be in 0.6 I'm sure 22:10:27 <Bjarni> if you drop a config next to the game app, then it will use that one instead of the one in the docs directory... I really should write how this behaves 22:10:33 <glx> I hope we won't revert the changes we made for this feature ;) 22:10:35 <Bjarni> someday before 0.6.0 :P 22:10:59 <Tyr_Arcana> btw, to all of you guys who've been writing this wonderful game, thank you. I only found it a week ago, and have been playing virtually 24/7 ever since 22:11:14 <Tyr_Arcana> kinda annoying actually, I should have been packing to move back to uni =P 22:12:10 <Bjarni> I talked to a guy at uni, who said that the only game he had on his iBook was OpenTTD... if he filled it with games, then he would spend too much time on it 22:12:19 <Bjarni> plan didn't work perfectly :P 22:12:22 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-68-70.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:12:27 <Tyr_Arcana> yeah... I can see why that would be hehe 22:13:08 <Tyr_Arcana> I nearly had the same problem with freeciv, but thankfully their ai is so annoying that the game got boring before it was addictive 22:13:33 <Tyr_Arcana> not that the openttd's ai is much better, but at least there's a lot of fun to be had single player (or coop) 22:16:16 <Bjarni> hehe 22:16:25 <Bjarni> single player freeciv without any AI :P 22:17:17 <Tyr_Arcana> yeah, but civilisation is about more than building, its about trade and competetion... the other players add more to the game than they do here, or at least it seems so to me 22:17:31 <Bjarni> agreed 22:18:06 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-159-223.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:18:19 <Bjarni> well 22:18:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:18:48 <Bjarni> if you are cool (and the level is not too tough), you can do without trading inventions and stuff and just conquer the other towns right away 22:19:49 <Tyr_Arcana> true... still, ttd wins imvho =) 22:20:10 <Tyr_Arcana> btw, anyone know of a decent osx irc client? 22:20:19 <Bjarni> I once tried that in civ 1 on emperor. I started with the wheel (or invented it right away, can't remember) and then I flooded with my new fast unit. All civilizations was on the same (but big) island, so we never really got out of the stoneage before I was the sole survivor 22:20:55 <Bjarni> I had to try it, but it wasn't that much fun as I expected it to be 22:21:15 <Bjarni> <Tyr_Arcana> btw, anyone know of a decent osx irc client? <-- I use Xchat. It gets the job done 22:21:23 <Bjarni> never really tried anything else though 22:21:52 <Prof_Frink> There is only One True IRC client 22:22:03 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-159-223.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:22:03 <Tyr_Arcana> ok, I'm using xirc now, but it keeps nagging me to buy it, and the interface is kinda... meh 22:22:11 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: VIP Gill ;D] 22:22:29 <Bjarni> I hate when software do that 22:22:45 <Bjarni> and people, who wants money out of hard working students 22:22:47 <Bjarni> hmm 22:22:57 <Bjarni> IRC+hard working student.... rare :P 22:23:54 <Prof_Frink> Or rather 22:24:08 <Prof_Frink> hard working + student = rare 22:24:24 <Bjarni> well, I AM rare... I know 22:24:32 <Bjarni> in fact, I'm unique 22:24:37 <Tyr_Arcana> lol, well, I'm only here to talk to ppl about openttd lol, not been on irc in a decade otherwise 22:24:40 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Get back on the grill then 22:25:07 <Bjarni> no way 22:25:11 <Bjarni> that thing is hot 22:25:45 <Prof_Frink> That's the idea 22:25:57 <Prof_Frink> Don't worry, it's not for too long 22:26:05 <Prof_Frink> Just to get you medium-rare 22:27:04 <Bjarni> dude.... the grill is full of coolant from the engine.... you are not supposed to mess with it 22:31:31 <ln-> Bjarni: Which one is your favorite turtle? 22:31:56 <Bjarni> the one to the right 22:32:13 <Bjarni> what kind of question if that??? 22:32:36 <ln-> A confusing one? 22:33:19 <Bjarni> not only that 22:33:22 <Bjarni> it's a wtf one 22:33:33 <Bjarni> are you drunk or high or something? 22:33:44 <Tyr_Arcana> that it is, but I'm new here, so didn't feel like saying that =) 22:34:17 <Bjarni> I still have no idea what he meant by that question 22:34:31 <Bjarni> ln-: are you on some sort of medication? 22:34:53 <ln-> Coca-Cola® Zero. 22:35:25 <Bjarni> maybe you should switch to something else 22:35:31 <Bjarni> or stop completely 22:38:48 <Tyr_Arcana> hmm.. anyways, thanx for the help with that little problem of mine, take care and such, I'm off for the night methinks 22:38:54 <ln-> Besides, it's a completely normal question. 22:39:24 <Bjarni> then explain your question 22:39:28 <Bjarni> bye Tyr_Arcana 22:39:32 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 22:39:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-96.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:40:26 *** Tyr_Arcana [~Tyr@82-45-213-67.cable.ubr03.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:13 <ln-> Sacro: Which one is your favorite turtle? 22:47:31 <Bjarni> don't ask him such tricky questions 22:47:37 <Bjarni> his head might explode 22:48:07 <Bjarni> and then people expect the op to clean up and I'm pretty sure TrueBrain didn't code DorpsGek to do it 22:49:10 <Bjarni> I would have, but I tend to do stuff differently 22:55:21 <Bjarni> <sac|metal|werk> anyway, star wars is real and star trek is some made up bs 22:55:30 <Bjarni> I disagree 22:55:41 <Bjarni> it's the other way around 22:55:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's all real!!! 22:56:11 <Tefad> they're both too goofy to actually work. 22:57:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> noooooo!!! *head explodes* 22:58:16 <Tefad> ur hed asplode? 22:59:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> sorry, i can't go down to that level of spelling... 22:59:38 <Bjarni> I still wonder what you tried to say 22:59:42 <Nite> sry but anti matter is real as used in starship enterprise ;p 23:00:42 <Nite> while star wars i a simple farytale - prince saves princess and homeland story ... 23:01:09 <ln-> star wars holiday special 23:01:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> now you want to tell me Lord of the Rings is not real either... 23:01:47 <Nite> is there such a thing as unreal? 23:02:00 <Nite> its a real fantasy story 23:02:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, it's a game 23:02:15 <Nite> still its a real game! 23:02:32 <Nite> real is shallow word .. 23:02:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.unreal.com/ 23:02:57 <Nite> (we all know it ;) ) 23:03:58 <Bjarni> <W-ll-am> well its nearly working 23:03:58 <Bjarni> <BoltBait> You are aware, code that ALMOST works looks NOTHING like the code that ACTUALLY works. 23:03:58 <Bjarni> <W-ll-am> dont tell me that, its due tomorrow 23:05:54 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:05:58 <Bjarni> I once had to write an app in C, but I didn't have anything but notepad when I wrote it (don't ask). I wrote those 3 pages of code and once I was done, I could move it to a computer with a compiler and it just worked 23:06:03 <Bjarni> not even a typo 23:06:15 <Bjarni> and nobody ever found any bugs in it 23:06:50 <Nite> *thinks of world without software bugs* 23:06:55 *** Ailure [Ailure@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 23:07:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> THAT is not real :p 23:07:05 <Bjarni> and then the dream ended 23:07:52 <Bjarni> <Nite> *thinks of world without software bugs* <--- well.... the stoneage would be just right for you :P 23:08:42 <Nite> im not even dreaming bout it - was a elusive thought 23:08:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:09:02 <ln-> have you people noticed that software is in control of our lives already? 23:10:43 <Nite> nothign special about it we always used tools to survive - be it a slingshot or computer 23:11:54 <ln-> i've encountered way too many things over here... things that have changed to worse, not because of a change of policy, but because "the new software doesn't support this and that". 23:12:52 <Nite> thats still a fault of bureaucracy 23:13:32 <Nite> the technic it self isnt bad - just ppl can be unkind. 23:14:07 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:07 <ln-> like in a local bus; earlier one could purchase 9 days of travel with 10⬠on the bus. now that's not possible anymore, because the software of the new devices doesn't support charging other periods than a whole month. 23:14:18 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:14:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 23:14:53 <Nite> you wouldnt assume that your slingshot is a bad thing just because it dont supports mammoth killing. 23:15:31 <ln-> earlier one could have a bus card that could both have credits for individual, random trips, as well as a certain number of days. now one must choose one of the two, or have two physical cards. 23:16:03 <Nite> whole month tickets only is miserable. 23:16:43 <Nite> what a strange bus system where do u live? 23:17:37 <ln-> it's not that strange, except for the new software limitations. 23:18:01 *** Ailure [Ailure@194.47.44.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:02 <Nite> the whole (new) money system(s) begin(s) to suck anyway 23:19:17 <Nite> still software was invented by someone and therefore WE control software and not the other way around. 23:19:29 *** Debolaz [root@62893819.32-5.adsl.nsn.no] has quit [Quit: I am not an atomic playboy, and I did not leave the building] 23:19:55 <Nite> you are controlled by other humans not software - get that. 23:20:22 *** Ailure [Ailure@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 23:20:47 <ln-> earlier paying the rent where i live was easy, once a year an A4 sheet was delivered with all the necessary per-month information on it. one could also automate the whole process with a few mouse clicks on the web bank. 23:21:16 <Nite> you can still. 23:21:23 <ln-> no. 23:21:34 <Nite> imean automate the process 23:21:38 <ln-> no. 23:21:54 <Nite> and what do you have 2 do then? 23:22:19 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@77.250.19.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:19 <ln-> then they switched to a completely new system. the damn rent bills arrive no more than a week before they should be paid. and automating the process the same way it was done earlier is not possible, because this new system DOES NOT SUPPORT IT. 23:22:50 <Nite> and how do you pay then? 23:22:57 <Nite> cash ;P 23:24:06 <Nite> and where is that? 23:24:17 <ln-> no, through the web bank or whatever method you choose to interact with your own bank. 23:25:06 <Nite> whats so bad bout interacting with own bank - dont get it ... 23:25:27 <Nite> (still, yes, there are people bhind it all) 23:26:58 <ln-> you cannot automate paying the bill anymore, because the software of the foundation that the rent is paid to doesn't support automated payments anymore. 23:27:38 <Nite> so you have to walk to you bank every month and pay cash or what - HOW do you pay? 23:28:18 <ln-> earlier you could enter the required data once, and with a few additional clicks choose to automate the whole process, and you basically didn't need to do any work after that, the money was just taken from your account automatically every month. 23:30:24 <ln-> no, i walk to my web browser and enter my own bank's web site, and pay the bill. but i have to do that every fucking month, and i don't ever have the required info for two months at a time, so i cannot schedule more payments at once. 23:30:35 <Nite> its 21th century not stoneage but message. 23:31:40 <ln-> i didn't understand that sentence. 23:32:17 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-138-71-66.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:32:23 <Nite> paying manually every month is really awkward. 23:33:40 <Nite> i mean i live in a oldfashioned country but this is possible everywhere ... 23:34:10 <ln-> this automated payment thing is offered by almost all companies to which people pay something regularly. so it is basically offered by the bank(s), but the receiver of payments must have a system that supports it. 23:34:11 <Nite> strange enaugh you have 2 buy most cars in cash here :-o 23:34:33 <Sionide> direct debit...? 23:34:48 <Sionide> my rent goes out as a standing order each month, on it's own 23:35:03 <ln-> it might very well be called direct debit in english... 23:35:11 <Nite> sry but even i can eccept automated payment - yust everyone who has a bank account CAN do that 23:35:24 <Nite> they yust dont want it, what reason ever ... 23:35:27 <Sionide> Nite, that's a standing order, not a direct debit 23:35:35 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-42-94.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:35:37 <Nite> hoever i cant halp you 23:36:04 <Nite> i also accept a "standing order". 23:36:21 <ln-> over here i'd say it is very uncommon to buy a car with cash, if one is buying it from a car shop. 23:36:22 <Nite> you haven't answered where this is? 23:36:46 <ln-> finland. 23:36:51 <Sionide> finlaa...... 23:36:53 <Sionide> too slow 23:36:56 <Nite> yeah it is uncommon but you literalyl go with a bag of cas to many cardealers. 23:36:59 <Sionide> Nite, /whois ln- 23:37:00 <Sionide> :) 23:37:08 <Nite> at least no software gets in the way this way. 23:37:13 <Sionide> what the 23:37:24 <Sionide> cars are expensive, i'd never walk around with that kinda cash in a bag 23:37:44 <ln-> but these stupidities cannot be generalized to cover finland as a whole. 23:38:02 <Nite> same with cardealers here ... 23:38:23 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-138-71-66.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:38 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:38:39 <Nite> i basically think finland might habve good systems for doing a living. 23:38:45 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-42-94.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:39:35 <ln-> over here, i think, the procedure goes like this: you go to the car shop, you pay something (like a few hundred euros, possibly using a card, not cash), you get a bill with you and you drive the car home. 23:40:22 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-138-71-66.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:20 <Nite> waht ever payment methods - wed be lucky to have teh "money". 23:42:15 <ln-> i can't imagine how can having e.g. 100k⬠cash at your shop be very practical. 23:42:49 <Nite> wht is "kâ¬" ? 23:42:57 <AmiXwoktest> heh. 23:43:08 <AmiXwoktest> seems like my Nokia E90 23:43:15 <AmiXwoktest> got PowerVR 3D chip 23:43:17 <AmiXwoktest> ;p 23:43:23 <ln-> Nite: kilo euro 23:43:34 <AmiXwoktest> thats the same 3D chip as in Dreamcast ;=) 23:43:37 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-42-94.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:46 <Nite> (my client dont reads the euro symbol) 23:43:46 <ln-> 100 thousand euros 23:44:17 <ln-> your clients be broken 23:44:18 <Nite> havent thought abaout that - myght be lukrative to rob cardealers ;) 23:44:53 <Nite> no its not broken it just DONT SUPPORTS THIS *argh* 23:45:24 <Nite> *LO* 23:50:37 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 23:56:42 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065229.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]