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00:00:22 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-164.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 00:00:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E972.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:49 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-16.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:30 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-164.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:22 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=34429 or http://openttd.dihedral.de 00:09:27 <dihedral> more or less the same info 00:13:04 *** Burgundavia_ [~corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 00:14:35 *** Burgundavia_ [~corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 00:16:48 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.84.89.243] has joined #openttd 00:17:09 <Ammler> hmm, I just changed some constants ;) 00:17:19 <bruce89> pi? 00:18:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> since you will probably be playing a huge map, people should bring patience for downloading the map when joining 00:19:14 <Ammler> hmm, a 1024² should be big enough 00:19:24 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause2: i would assume the client being the bottleneck 00:19:28 <Ammler> maybe doulbe 00:19:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, i think so, too, but bottleneck is bottleneck :p 00:20:11 <dihedral> but then at least the client is used to it :-) 00:20:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> and even for an empty game you probably have like 2MB to download 00:20:40 <dihedral> that would also depend on the number of industries and towns 00:21:36 *** Gonozal_ping_timeout [~Gonozal_V@N722P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> the trees alone make for a pretty uncompressible map 00:22:29 <dihedral> heh - true 00:23:11 <Gonozal_ping_timeout> why is there no option to disable tree growth? 00:23:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> of my current game (2048x2048), the first savegame (1921) is 3.7MB, the current one (1941) is 4.3MB 00:24:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have very low towns and very low industries 00:24:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> and like 120 trains and 50 road vehicles now 00:25:06 <dihedral> but that is 4x 1024^2 00:26:51 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N938P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:28:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but a 20 player game with lots of industries will probably fill up very quickly 00:29:32 <dihedral> :-) 00:29:41 <dihedral> lots hope it works 00:31:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> i just want to mention that this is nothing for my kind of bandwidth 00:33:08 <Belugas> Dalestan, could it be that newindu.asm:1920 should read "...for callback 28" instead of "...for callback 22" ? 00:33:12 <Ammler> hmm, the other thing is also, if you pause on join, what you need on big mapbs, you have much pauses if a lot connect and d/c 00:34:08 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause2: we would still love to see you at least for a few mins :-) paying a visit, if and once we get it to work :-) 00:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> dihedral: well, the map is the biggest issue, so _if_ i joined, it would not matter much if i stayed a minute or 10 hours 00:35:19 <dihedral> :-) 00:35:47 <dihedral> Ammler: we will just have to try a few different settings and see what works best 00:37:53 <dihedral> night ladies :-) 00:38:37 <Ammler> yep 00:38:58 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-225-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 00:45:42 *** dihedral|away [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: slee..zzzzzzzzz] 00:45:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> i must say, daylength 4 is a really great setting 00:46:07 <Gonozal_ping_timeout> why? 00:46:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have enough time to enjoy all the great steam engines 00:46:28 <Gonozal_ping_timeout> i usually play with daylength 10 :-) 00:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have enough time to build up a nice network when you get the engines and wagons for long distance trains 00:47:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i tried daylength 32 once, but it was way over the top 00:47:51 <Gonozal_ping_timeout> is that maximum? 00:47:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 00:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> at least with the patch back then... 00:48:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are like half a dozen versions around :p 00:49:03 <Gonozal_ping_timeout> 30 in chrisin... 00:49:44 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r11251 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: 00:49:44 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Fix[FS#1318]: Newindustries must not rely on the old check placement functions. It is the the job of callbacks. Therefor, upon substitution, disable the said check. 00:49:44 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: Warning, plenty of industries are going to be generated ;) 00:50:04 <Gonozal_ping_timeout> nice 00:51:13 <Belugas> Gonozal_ping_timeout, as you probably have guessed, here is your fix 00:51:25 <bruce89> great time to do a svn up 00:51:31 <bruce89> just before that 00:51:37 <glx> lol 00:52:23 <Belugas> sorry :) i promise i'll never commit again when you'er on irc ;) 00:52:40 *** Gonozal_ping_timeout is now known as Gonozal_VIII 00:53:03 <bruce89> I'm only on because the wiki is messed up 00:53:19 <bruce89> and I'm supposed to get it fixed, MiHaMiX 00:53:48 <Belugas> 'night 00:53:57 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks for that belugas, i think that also helps with some other things 00:54:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> i haven't seen MiHaMiX talkin in months... 00:54:33 <bruce89> oh 00:55:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> @seen MiHaMiX 00:55:52 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: MiHaMiX was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 56 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <MiHaMiX> Prof_Frink: http://ja0hxv.calico.jp/pai/epivalue.html 00:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> ok, that was while i was away :p 00:56:21 <bruce89> anyone else 00:56:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> what is actually wrong with this page? 00:56:43 <bruce89> that I can moan about that is 00:57:14 <bruce89> <gallery> tags don't work -- http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/Talk:Headquarters 00:58:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> it looks alright to me, what do you expect to see? 00:58:51 <bruce89> really, the table's all messed up here, see the image at the bottom right 01:00:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's not exactly what i see 01:00:21 <bruce89> not messed up there then? 01:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> the table looks fine to me, just that there are only 4 pictures per row 01:00:53 <bruce89> this is with Epiphany with the Gecko backend 01:04:42 <Gonozal_VIII> looks like the picture 01:04:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Bildschirmphoto3.png this is what i see 01:05:58 <Gonozal_VIII> i have the same borders as in the picture 01:06:49 <bruce89> perhaps Gecko is just rubbish 01:07:22 <glx> I have borders changing when moving a window over the table 01:08:25 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 01:08:29 <Gonozal_VIII> funny 01:10:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> i go to bed... 01:11:06 <Gonozal_VIII> good night 01:12:13 <bruce89> it's fine with WebKit 01:12:46 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 01:14:34 <bruce89> but not with Gecko 1.9 01:22:28 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:27:32 *** kaan [~klaus@82.192.152.195] has left #openttd [] 01:30:30 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7735A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74E34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:50:17 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N722P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #openttd [] 02:00:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83A4C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:00:14 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80C84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:02:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 02:22:53 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 02:22:54 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:38 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r11252 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_cargo.cpp newgrf_cargo.h): -Revert r11239, Fix r9620: cargo translation was not done correctly 02:24:50 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 02:24:52 <De_Ghosty> hey ehy 02:24:59 <De_Ghosty> what's the string thingy call 02:25:01 <De_Ghosty> in c++ 02:25:17 <De_Ghosty> i wanan declare a string 02:29:54 <De_Ghosty> nvm 02:29:57 <De_Ghosty> array of chars.. 02:30:22 <glx> array of char is a C thing 02:30:31 <glx> in c++ you have std::string 02:31:40 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B04235A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 02:33:02 <De_Ghosty> yea i jsut read 02:33:02 <De_Ghosty> thx 02:33:16 <De_Ghosty> so c doesn't have string 02:33:47 <glx> strings are array of char ;) 02:33:55 <glx> but C do it in the hard way 02:34:57 <bruce89> easy way more like 02:34:58 <De_Ghosty> how i get pFile = fopen to open a string like pFile = fopen ("%s",stringsthing,"w"); ? 02:36:02 <glx> stringthing.c_str 02:36:48 <glx> and use fopen as usual 02:37:07 <De_Ghosty> stringthing.c_str <---- is a string? 02:37:14 <De_Ghosty> so 02:37:16 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-138-70-9.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:37:25 <De_Ghosty> pFile = fopen ("%s",stringthing.c_str,"w"); ? 02:37:30 <De_Ghosty> string stringthing.c_str; 02:37:34 <De_Ghosty> pFile = fopen ("%s",stringthing.c_str,"w"); ? 02:37:43 <glx> stringthing is std::string, stringthing.c_str is a char* 02:38:43 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:38:52 <De_Ghosty> k 02:38:53 <glx> but in c++ it's better to use streams 02:47:32 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.83.104] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 02:48:04 <De_Ghosty> ok 02:49:24 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r11253 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r9411): industries can still use cargo they define, even if these cargo are disabled by a grf loaded later 02:53:50 *** bruce89 [~bruce@85-210-39-43.dsl.pipex.com] has left #openttd [] 02:53:51 *** Ihmemies [ihmemies@a88-113-24-180.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Signed off] 03:00:39 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:05:00 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180065073.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:09:12 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066221.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:21:07 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-60-229-11-10.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:45:36 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:53:00 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498CBCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:53:40 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498E63D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:59:00 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-187-154.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:13:01 *** _42_ [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:53:15 *** Amixosx [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:19:28 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 05:47:02 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 05:54:31 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 06:15:41 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:42:57 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5EE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 06:54:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E4B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:58:46 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7735A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:01:30 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 07:19:34 *** Rafagd [~kvirc@BHE200150043140.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:41:17 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:04:38 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CE95.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:11:17 *** N101 [~name.101@CPE-124-183-98-158.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:11:44 <elmex_> i've been wondering: can someone recomment a new industry grf pack with train cars that can contain the new cargo? 08:12:01 <elmex_> i've been trying PBI, but i'm unsure which train set to use 08:20:04 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20:45 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:29 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:24:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:30:38 <Prof_Frink> elmex_: I'd be surprised if UKRS didn't work with PBI 08:31:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 08:34:26 <elmex_> hmm 08:34:26 <elmex_> ok 08:34:49 *** N101 [~name.101@CPE-124-183-98-158.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.1 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 08:34:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:37:01 <Wolf01> hello 08:49:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 08:51:09 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 09:09:00 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:13 *** MarkSlap [~shit@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:26:42 *** Markkisen [~shit@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:30:41 *** MarkSlap [~shit@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:41 *** Markkisen is now known as MarkSlap 09:31:41 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:31 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:31 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:56 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 09:33:55 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 09:33:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 09:35:09 *** _42_ [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 09:38:59 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:44:19 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 09:44:33 <TrueBrain> burp 09:52:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E779.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:54:08 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:55:00 <nairan> hmm in ECS the farms are using only a few fertilizer. 09:55:24 <nairan> a lot less then the industries produce. 10:01:36 <Vikthor> nairan: You know, they are trying to be more enviroment friendly :) 10:02:04 <nairan> heh seems so 10:02:54 <nairan> with one factory i can delive a lot fruitplantations. 10:20:57 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:21:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 10:22:25 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 10:28:46 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041F11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:35:43 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:40:03 *** Markkisen [~shit@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:44:15 *** MarkSlap [~shit@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:15 *** Markkisen is now known as MarkSlap 10:45:35 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-228-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:10 <dihedral> morning 10:46:56 <Bjarni> is it morning already? 10:47:19 <Tefad> in the us at least 10:47:38 <Tefad> long since passed in europe 10:48:04 <Tefad> morning in the sense of daybreak 10:48:36 <dihedral> well... 10:48:39 <dihedral> put it this way 10:48:45 <dihedral> i just got out of bed 10:49:04 <dihedral> that makes it "morning" for me 10:49:53 <dihedral> !seen skidd13 10:49:55 <_42_> dihedral, skidd13 (skidd13@p548A5398.dip.t-dialin.net) was last seen parting #openttd 16 hours 14 minutes ago (12.10. 18:35), after spending 1 hour 24 minutes there. 10:55:04 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-138-70-9.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:03:35 <TrueBrain> sending 5 GiB of data in just several minutes.. I love fast connections :) 11:04:39 <dihedral> lol 11:07:40 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:16 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:10:24 *** Ihmemies [ihmemies@a88-113-24-180.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:12:06 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:19 <Eddi|zuHause> if i want to send 5GB fast, i burn them on a DVD+RW, and drive over to the other person :p 11:19:16 <dihedral> lol 11:19:29 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-116-172.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:19:35 * dihedral greets Ammler 11:21:56 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's the truth :p 11:22:19 <dihedral> what kind of connection do you actually have? 11:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause> DSL Light 11:22:39 <dihedral> nice 11:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause> 384 down and 64 up or something 11:22:50 <TrueBrain> 100 mbit up, 100 mbit down 11:23:02 <dihedral> are you in a college network TrueBrain ? 11:23:16 <TrueBrain> SurfNet, the student network of The Netherlands 11:23:33 <TrueBrain> 100 mbit full duplex over the whole country for all school and universities 11:23:37 <TrueBrain> I love it :) 11:24:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure you do :p 11:24:50 <dihedral> so is that part of uk's uni network? 11:25:03 <Eddi|zuHause> netherlands... 11:25:04 <TrueBrain> what part of the Netherlands didn't you get? 11:25:29 <dihedral> well - i for one thing know that uk's uni network has a direkt link to canada 11:25:41 <dihedral> so i thought it could have a link to the netherlands 11:25:51 <TrueBrain> via the AMS-IX, it most likely does 11:26:50 <dihedral> i was thinking more along the lines of a 'direct' connection :-) 11:27:11 <TrueBrain> most likely it doesn't, as it would be a bit redundant :) 11:28:10 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 11:28:13 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [] 11:28:18 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041F11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 11:28:18 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 11:28:34 <dihedral> was just curious 11:29:42 <TrueBrain> http://www.surfnet.nl/info/imgnew.db?64885 <- this is how big SurfNet is :p 11:29:52 <TrueBrain> (all fiber-optics) 11:30:30 <dihedral> yes - that 11:30:39 <dihedral> 's similar to the uk uni network :-P 11:30:52 <TrueBrain> I love such networks :) 11:30:58 <dihedral> yes - they are great 11:31:06 <TrueBrain> it makes things like a giant telescope possible :) 11:31:07 <dihedral> do they give you public ip's 11:31:32 <TrueBrain> combining multiple telescopes 11:31:37 <dihedral> and unfirewalled connectiosn? ;-D 11:31:37 <TrueBrain> it required a bit of bandwidth :p 11:31:45 <TrueBrain> we have public IPs, but firewalled 11:31:49 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:50 <TrueBrain> but that is my own uni 11:31:54 <TrueBrain> other unis allow more 11:31:55 <TrueBrain> some less 11:32:02 <TrueBrain> (every uni can control it themself) 11:32:04 <dihedral> what some guys in oxford did 11:32:18 <dihedral> was get together with a few people who were at a unfirewalled college 11:32:22 <dihedral> setup a vpn 11:32:24 <dihedral> and :-D 11:32:27 <dihedral> tada 11:32:45 <dihedral> took weeks until we found out who it was 11:40:25 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 11:42:13 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 11:45:07 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041F11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:45:20 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 11:48:56 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-161-69.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:49:25 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:52:06 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 11:57:39 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:03:46 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 12:04:40 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: maedhros * r11254 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix: Link with -lpthread on FreeBSD. 12:05:35 *** G [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:10 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 12:18:30 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:11 *** G [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 12:22:19 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:24:20 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-177.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 12:29:07 *** fjb [~frank@Wa2c9.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 12:29:17 <fjb> Hi 12:29:33 <dihedral> thee ttd midi files are awsome 12:30:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-135-225.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:30:51 <dihedral> garadeband can read every single instrument from those files :-) 12:31:22 <Sionide> i used to use a midi editor called acoustica, years ago 12:33:09 <dihedral> well - got garadge band on my mac :-) 12:33:26 <dihedral> and i imported the midi file, and it split it up all into software instruments 12:36:28 <dihedral> so i can simply replace any single tone or insturment :-) 12:37:58 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:24 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 12:40:53 <fjb> Is there a switch to make electrified rail more expensive? 12:41:59 <dihedral> more expensive or inflation 12:42:20 <fjb> More expensive than unelectrified rail. 12:45:16 <Maedhros> not at the moment, no 12:46:18 <fjb> Then I was not too stupid to find it. :-) 12:46:29 <fjb> Would it be hard to implement? 12:53:55 *** julius [~julius@host-85-27-97-22.brutele.be] has joined #openttd 12:54:01 <julius> hello 12:54:05 <fjb> Moin 12:54:14 <nairan> sers. 12:55:16 <julius> does someone speak french ? 12:56:04 <fjb> Je ne pas. :-) 12:56:34 <julius> hmm... I'm trying to understand something with the "train lights" (i don't know the word in english) 12:57:09 <Vikthor> julius: probably you mean "signals" 12:57:12 <fjb> Signals? What is the frensh word? 12:57:32 <julius> that's it 12:57:35 <julius> signalisation :p 12:57:57 <julius> Can you tell me what's wrong with this ? (don't laugh please :p) http://sportchu.free.fr/linux/openttd1.png 12:58:46 <nairan> the singal are at are crossings not in the middle. 12:58:53 <nairan> should be 12:59:46 <fjb> The crossings make all the track a single singnal block. Put the signals at the ends of each track to separete them. 13:00:01 <fjb> tracks 13:00:24 <julius> ok, I try 13:01:11 <nairan> julius lok here there are some good examples. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=34270 13:01:30 <nairan> *loo 13:01:34 <nairan> look 13:01:49 * nairan thinks he had not enouth coffee to wake up. 13:01:59 <fjb> :-) 13:02:35 <julius> ok thanks :) 13:04:09 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:13 *** a1271 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:17 *** a1271 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:40 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6D6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:13 <dihedral> hey skidd13 13:07:26 <skidd13> Hi 13:07:33 <skidd13> Whats up? 13:09:46 <nairan> hmm i still miss sulphur. 13:10:11 <Phazorx> nairan: sulpher in ECS was fixed by glx in 10235 13:11:26 <Bjarni> <julius> Can you tell me what's wrong with this ? (don't laugh please :p) http://sportchu.free.fr/linux/openttd1.png <-- you are hit with a severe case of real life :P 13:11:35 <Bjarni> either that or PBS 13:11:42 <Bjarni> none of those are in OpenTTD :/ 13:13:25 <Ailure> hahaha 13:13:35 <Ailure> that does look somewhat realistic 13:13:37 <fjb> There is no real life in OpenTTD? :-( 13:13:38 <Ailure> but absurd for openTTD 13:13:46 <nairan> i think i got all industries , tourist center , animal farm and tinning farm and touriast center has some lil errors. 13:13:55 <Ailure> You misunderstood how signals works D: 13:14:05 <nairan> i think i got all type of industries but not all cargo. 13:14:06 <Ailure> although that setup would work somewhat with PBS signals 13:15:06 <Bjarni> <Ailure> that does look somewhat realistic <-- actually not. He used those combined switches and crossings. Those are really expensive so in real life you often use two normal switches after each other. It's way cheaper and easier to maintain, but it use more space 13:15:40 <Bjarni> two switches are well two switches while a crossing switch is actually 4 switches and they aren't standard. They are custom made each time 13:16:56 <fjb> I always play on ab big map. You can't make realistic looking train stations on an normal map. 13:17:46 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6D6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 13:17:48 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6D6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:40 <Phazorx> TrueBrain 13:20:46 <Phazorx> aer stats broken? 13:24:07 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 13:25:23 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6D6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 13:29:11 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 13:31:27 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:44:18 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:46:19 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 13:48:58 <nairan> phasor ping 13:49:04 <Eddi|zuHause> <Bjarni> <Ailure> that does look somewhat realistic <-- actually not. He used those combined switches and crossings. Those are really expensive so in real life you often use two normal switches after each other. It's way cheaper and easier to maintain, but it use more space <- there are lots of switch-crossings around here 13:49:29 <nairan> *phazorx 13:52:56 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: the European railroads are too expensive to maintain for a reason :( 13:53:44 <Bjarni> another reason is the crossings. Those things are damn expensive as well 13:54:01 <Bjarni> like £100k to maintain every year 13:54:03 <Bjarni> EACH! 13:54:16 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: FlowaPowa] 13:54:20 <Bjarni> don't ask me why it's so expensive 13:55:03 <Phazorx> ? 13:57:42 <Bjarni> nairan: message for you ;) 13:57:50 <Bjarni> it works better if you highlight the nick 14:05:55 <Phazorx> and spell it correctly... 14:07:10 <Bjarni> that too 14:08:11 <fjb> I tried the passenger destination patch the last days. It works good. Did anybody try it in a multiuser game yet? 14:08:24 * Sacro staggers into the channel 14:10:18 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the problem to press p<tab>? 14:10:33 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4B6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:56 <Phazorx> ph <tab> is more reliable generaly speaking 14:11:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i have seen cases where the first 4 letters were identical... 14:12:05 <fjb> Not possible for me. :-) 14:12:06 <Eddi|zuHause> not counting clan tags 14:12:25 <nairan> bjarn: what message 14:12:47 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently you did not get it :p 14:13:31 <Eddi|zuHause> b<tab> is probably even more difficult 14:14:21 <Ailure> [15:52] <Bjarni> like £100k to maintain every year 14:14:21 <Ailure> [15:52] <Bjarni> EACH! 14:14:21 <Ailure> [15:52] * FlowaPowa has quit IRC (Quit: FlowaPowa) 14:14:21 <Ailure> [15:52] <Bjarni> don't ask me why it's so expensive 14:14:27 <Ailure> Each what? 14:14:31 <Ailure> Railway piece? 14:14:48 <Bjarni> road/railroad level crossings 14:14:57 <Bjarni> you know, those flashing red lights and barriers 14:15:04 <Ailure> ah 14:15:09 <Ailure> thoose 14:15:45 <Bjarni> they are designed in a failsafe way, so whenever something breaks, it's sure to delay a whole lot of trains 14:15:57 <Bjarni> and it's damn expensive to try to keep it from breaking 14:18:02 *** nairan is now known as mcbane 14:19:30 <mcbane> eddi: no reaction =& 14:19:39 <Phazorx> Bjarni: so bridges are cheaper? 14:19:42 <julius> Bjarni, what do you mean by "you are hit with a severe case of real life :P" 14:19:56 <julius> This situation arrives in the real life ? Oo 14:20:01 <Bjarni> Phazorx: yeah 14:20:02 <glx> lack of time usually :) 14:20:29 <julius> (i'm a student engeneer, I'm interested in it :D) 14:20:35 <Bjarni> julius: I meant you placed the signals like real life railroads do, but it creates deadlocks in no time in OpenTTD 14:21:25 <julius> oh ok :) so that's a good point for my futur :p 14:21:55 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:57 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.83.104] has joined #openttd 14:28:00 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: for the longest time 14:28:04 <TrueBrain> it took way too long to generate them 14:28:24 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: sorry i missed that conversation i guess 14:28:29 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-084-058-006-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:28:34 <Phazorx> what is ist based on? 14:28:36 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-084-058-006-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:43 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: it was never a conversation :p 14:28:48 <TrueBrain> I just disabled it months ago :) 14:28:52 * dihedral is exporting his ttd theme music remix 14:28:53 <TrueBrain> you are the first to notice :p 14:28:54 <TrueBrain> says enough ;) 14:29:00 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-084-058-006-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 14:29:03 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-084-058-006-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:29:08 <Phazorx> more like a month ago, but you sopunded like you have told me that already 14:29:16 <Phazorx> ahh 14:29:17 <TrueBrain> no, sorry, wasn't ment like that ;) 14:29:33 <Phazorx> once again what is is based on and how you process it ? 14:29:46 <TrueBrain> _42_ collects the logs, psig generates the logs 14:30:09 <Phazorx> why would it take any longer now than before? 14:30:12 <TrueBrain> euh, pish 14:30:13 <TrueBrain> euh, pisg 14:30:17 <TrueBrain> more log-files 14:30:23 <Phazorx> more? 14:30:24 <dihedral> psig generates the html 14:30:26 <Phazorx> in what way 14:30:30 <Phazorx> isnt it time based 14:30:31 <TrueBrain> euh: more tlaking 14:30:33 <Phazorx> like weekly 14:30:53 <Phazorx> hmm... time for a +m i guess 14:30:53 <dihedral> it gets slower when the logfiles grow bigger... just like webalizer - though webalizer is a lot faster 14:30:57 <TrueBrain> no, it uses all logs, else it is no fun 14:31:13 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: but cant you cache the data that has been al;ready processed 14:31:19 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: ask pisg 14:31:20 <Phazorx> like most utilities of that kind do 14:31:34 <Phazorx> !seen pisg 14:31:34 <_42_> Phazorx, pisg? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember pisg. 14:31:39 <dihedral> that is probably exactly what psig is lacking 14:31:43 <Phazorx> might be a hard one to ask 14:31:44 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: www.google.com -> pisg 14:32:09 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: i was under impression it has DB backend and only does incrimental logs 14:32:13 <Phazorx> otherwise it's kidna silly 14:32:27 <TrueBrain> just google it 14:33:44 <Phazorx> google doesnt show anything that might suggest it is relevant to log processing 14:34:01 <TrueBrain> http://www.google.nl/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=nl&q=pisg&meta=&btnG=Google+zoeken 14:34:02 <TrueBrain> first hit 14:34:07 <TrueBrain> I don't see how you can miss it :p 14:34:46 <Phazorx> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-force_per_square_inch 14:34:50 <Phazorx> that's my 1st hit 14:35:12 <Phazorx> Pipeline Simulation Interest Group (PSIG) 2nd 14:35:15 <TrueBrain> you searched for pisg? 14:35:18 <TrueBrain> not psig, pisg 14:35:18 <Phazorx> ahh 14:35:20 <Phazorx> spelling 14:35:22 <Phazorx> nm 14:35:49 <TrueBrain> pisg already tkaes 2 minutes to make the stats for 2006 of this channel 14:36:18 <TrueBrain> so I guess I have to add a timespan parameter 14:37:39 <TrueBrain> k, now it generates stats based on the last 30 days 14:37:47 <TrueBrain> not very cool, but okay, at least it gives you something :p 14:38:45 <Phazorx> well that's not the way 14:38:51 <TrueBrain> okay, fair is fair: there are 112 MiB of logs :p 14:39:12 <Phazorx> i did a lot of log parsing and stat generation with sites doing 30G per day 14:39:25 <Phazorx> daily stat runs were seconds 14:39:28 <TrueBrain> 30 GiB of LOG files a day? doubtful :p 14:39:44 <Phazorx> 30GBytes transfers per server 14:39:59 <TrueBrain> my point exactly :) 14:40:05 <TrueBrain> Anyway, feel free to make a pisg alternative 14:40:15 <dihedral> slightly fresher :-P http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/TTDThemeRemix01.mp3 14:40:29 <TrueBrain> hmm, for some reason _42_ stopped logging channels... 14:40:52 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has joined #openttd 14:40:59 <Phazorx> Uptime 18 days 12 min 38 s 14:40:59 <Phazorx> Started at 2007-09-25 10:27:10 14:40:59 <Phazorx> absolute (since start) 14:40:59 <Phazorx> Requests 107 Mreq 14:40:59 <Phazorx> Traffic 169.96 Gbyte 14:41:10 <fjb> dihedral: cool. 14:41:13 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: truely, I don't care :p 14:41:24 <TrueBrain> http loggers are completely different from IRC loggers 14:41:26 <Phazorx> well you should take more intereset since it is your project 14:41:31 <Phazorx> and it can be done much smarter 14:41:34 <TrueBrain> excuse me?! 14:41:53 <TrueBrain> are you now here going to tell me what should and should not get my interest? And what is and what is not my project? 14:41:54 <TrueBrain> lol! 14:41:56 <TrueBrain> funny guy 14:42:13 <TrueBrain> but I think you should have this conversation with the author of pisg 14:42:14 <TrueBrain> not with me 14:42:17 <Phazorx> you were doing it for qute a while, and maintating it pretty well :) 14:42:28 <Phazorx> nah i like custom tools 14:42:35 <TrueBrain> so make a custom tool 14:43:24 <Phazorx> perhaps perhaps :) 14:43:33 <TrueBrain> anyway, I think you are very confused 14:43:36 <TrueBrain> as I never did anything custom 14:43:40 <TrueBrain> the stats uses pisg 14:43:48 <TrueBrain> pisg used too much CPU-time, and got disabled 14:45:01 <Phazorx> of cource i am confused... no doubt about that 14:45:08 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 14:45:42 <TrueBrain> a weirder thing is, that both my bots stopped logging all channels... 14:46:27 <TrueBrain> okay 14:46:31 <TrueBrain> or the problem is that I can't count 14:46:36 <TrueBrain> and I think today isn't 13/10/07 14:46:38 <TrueBrain> GRRRR 14:46:44 <TrueBrain> @kick TrueBrain You stink! 14:48:09 <Phazorx> keep the logs going may be one day i get bored enough :) 14:49:18 <TrueBrain> k, the stats are now updated again 14:49:22 <TrueBrain> with the data of the last 30 days 14:49:57 <Phazorx> now it sounds like i forced ya 14:50:11 <TrueBrain> you did :p 14:53:49 <skidd13> Had anyone of the devs time to have a deeper look at FS1328. (Sorry patch looks so huge, but the changes aren't ;) ) 14:56:02 <fjb> What is FS1328? 14:56:14 <TrueBrain> @openttd bugs 1328 14:56:17 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [FS#1328] Work in progress (sev: Low, prio: Normal, status: New): 'Unify road/rail GUI', by Benedikt BrÌggemeier - http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1328 14:56:24 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 14:56:24 <Ammler> !logs 14:56:55 <skidd13> fjb: Its a task in the bug reporting system -> http://bugs.openttd.org 14:57:58 <fjb> Thank you. 15:02:40 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/since-start/openttd.html <- here Phazorx :p 15:02:56 <TrueBrain> @seen darkvater 15:02:57 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: I have not seen darkvater. 15:03:02 <TrueBrain> now that is odd... 15:03:05 <TrueBrain> !seen darkvater 15:03:07 <_42_> TrueBrain, darkvater? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember darkvater. 15:03:16 <TrueBrain> as the logs say it was 2 days ago.. 15:03:20 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: nice 15:04:37 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:08:53 <fjb> It's really hard to build an efficient station entry. :-( 15:14:08 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7858.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:15:56 *** Markkisen [~shit@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:17:44 *** MarkSlap [~shit@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:12 *** MarkSlap [~shit@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:47 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 15:24:00 *** Markkisen [~shit@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:30 *** MarkSlap [~shit@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:07 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: and you talk too much: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/since-start/openttdcoop.html 15:31:30 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: yes it is... www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2012.%20Mai%201939.png 15:34:07 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489E637.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:34:37 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:51 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041F11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 15:35:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the most that i miss about PBS is the ability to have presignals who do not pay attention to EVERY exit signal, just the one that matters 15:36:33 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 15:39:56 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 15:40:46 <fjb> Looks good, but there are seperate tracks for each direction. 15:41:01 <fjb> We really need PBS. 15:41:20 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D4F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:48 <fjb> Is there a documention (beside the OpenTTD source) how YAPF is working? 15:41:59 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:42:13 <glx> YAPF implemens A* 15:42:22 <glx> implements 15:42:49 <glx> with some caching 15:43:58 <fjb> How does it translate tiles into nodes? 15:44:39 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:44:45 <glx> I don't know how it's done 15:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: each platform can be exited in both direction 15:47:39 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: afaik, a straight track has a value of 10, and a diagonal track 7 (or 100 and 70, not sure) 15:50:10 *** MarkSlap [~shit@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:37 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Hm, I missed some Signals. But that station still has some fifficulti when some trains arrive and depart at the same time. 15:52:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i did not say it's perfect 15:52:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i have some serious space restrictions there 15:53:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm already lucky to have such a big mountain plateau 15:53:38 <fjb> Space is always an restiction at the usual map sizes... 15:54:20 <glx> not on flat land 15:54:41 <Eddi|zuHause> flat land is boring 15:54:58 <glx> but on hilly with transmitter there's more fun :) 15:55:17 <fjb> Yes, I don't understand why so many people are only playing flat land. 15:55:34 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4B6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 15:57:19 <fjb> I'm looking for a solution for stations that and the line. 15:57:20 <Eddi|zuHause> PS: the "before" state: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2028.%20Sep%201927.png 15:57:30 <Sacro> dihedral: huge game looks awesome, what binaries are you wanting? 15:58:17 <fjb> Oh, that station was cute. :-) 15:58:51 <Eddi|zuHause> that was before i was routing my freight trains through there 16:00:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the flat land enthusiasts would never have such a river valley: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%208.%20Mai%201931.png 16:02:04 <fjb> That valley need a tourist center... 16:02:31 <fjb> I tend to not destroy to much nature in my games. 16:03:31 <hylje> ottd needs smooth foundations 16:04:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it's quite fun to analyse the signalling on this station: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2024.%20Dez%201939.png 16:04:28 <Eddi|zuHause> it looks reverse, but it does have its sense ;) 16:04:47 <fjb> Are smoother foundations not under development? 16:05:41 <fjb> I guess I need an hour to understand that station... 16:05:45 *** GlenOgilvie [~GlenOgilv@202-169-209-55.worldnet.co.nz] has joined #openttd 16:06:10 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: What climate are you playing? Alpine? Arctic? 16:06:17 <Eddi|zuHause> alpine, yes 16:06:22 <TrueBrain> did you know that the nightly archive contains over 15000 files? :p 16:06:53 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: but there's serveral places where it could deadlock, assuming you have more than two trains using each station entrance, or some random train gets lost and wanders into that station 16:07:24 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: yes, but it is that way to fix the most common deadlock 16:07:39 <Eddi|zuHause> the two passenger trains using the single-track section in front of the station 16:07:42 <Eddi|zuHause> to the right 16:08:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the freight trains work quite well 16:08:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it _could_ deadlock, but it doesn't 16:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the presignal system does not allow me to fix all deadlocks 16:09:06 <fjb> My stations always deadlock if they can. :-( 16:09:28 *** GlenOgilvie [~GlenOgilv@202-169-209-55.worldnet.co.nz] has left #openttd [] 16:10:20 <fjb> I should try Alpine climate, it looks very interesting. 16:10:47 <Eddi|zuHause> single track sections deadlock the most, i recently had one that deadlocked EVERY time at the same place, i fixed it by adding another switching section at the right place 16:11:09 <TrueBrain> http://archive.openttd.org/ <- if anyone is interested :) 16:11:11 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: there still are some issues 16:11:16 <TrueBrain> @op 16:11:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 16:11:19 *** mode/#openttd [+nt] by ChanServ 16:11:37 *** TrueBrain changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.3 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | YouTube link == Ban 16:11:40 <TrueBrain> @deop 16:11:43 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 16:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: the images don't work 16:11:55 <TrueBrain> less bandwidth :p 16:12:18 <TrueBrain> 2007 is on nightly.openttd.org, older are on archive.openttd.org :) 16:13:04 <TrueBrain> hmm, stupid, I forgot to store the mtime... 16:13:05 <TrueBrain> oh well 16:13:43 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: soon I will create a simple front-end for it :) 16:14:31 <fjb> I always bought the KI when they were out of money. Now I have 26 airports. I never looked at them. I guess I should now. :-) 16:15:19 *** julius [~julius@host-85-27-97-22.brutele.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:35 <fjb> And I guess I have to setup my own subversion repository to play with the OpenTTD source. 16:15:45 <glx> why? 16:15:59 <glx> just use mercurial 16:16:31 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:18:04 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.83.104] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:08 <fjb> mercurial looks interesting... 16:20:21 <Vikthor> or you can try git 16:20:40 <TrueBrain> hg is better 16:20:50 <TrueBrain> Windows friendly 16:21:23 <Bjarni> hg installed without any problems here. I gave up on git (didn't really try hard though, but it gave odd errors) 16:21:35 <Bjarni> I like the hg installer better... it just works ;) 16:23:37 <fjb> TrueBrain: No Windows here... :-) 16:26:07 <TrueBrain> fjb: still, with hg you can share your code with windows users more easily 16:26:13 <TrueBrain> and despite the fact I hate windows, it really is a benifit 16:26:26 <TrueBrain> also, hg is more userfriendly 16:29:43 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 16:29:48 <glx> hg serve is nice :) 16:30:07 <glx> but I can't start it as daemon 16:30:16 <fjb> I don't like Windowws that much. And I don't want to pay that much for a Windows licence. 16:39:29 <Sacro> my windows licence was free :D 16:39:37 <Sacro> which is about as much as i wanted to pay 16:42:57 <fjb> I never got a free licence. 16:43:33 <Sacro> i did 16:43:36 <Sacro> i have several i think 16:52:05 <Bjarni> students get free software at uni... for some reason the software companies wants the students to learn their products and to get used to them 16:52:39 <Sacro> meh 16:52:48 <Sacro> i only use my free copy of XP for games 16:52:55 <Sacro> otherwise i'd be perfectly happy with Linux 16:52:56 <Bjarni> <fjb> I don't like Windowws that much. And I don't want to pay that much for a Windows licence. <-- you don't pay for windows. Either you are in a location where you can get it for free or you install linux 16:53:01 <Sacro> mono does all my C# stuff 16:53:09 <Sacro> latex is fine for documents 16:53:31 <Bjarni> <Sacro> i only use my free copy of XP for games <-- same here (and once in a while a win only app for specific tasks for uni) 16:54:10 <Sacro> Bjarni: so far, we have had nothing windows specific 16:54:17 <Sacro> i mean, we use the command line vis studio compiler 16:54:21 <Sacro> and notepad :( 16:54:28 <Sacro> i prefer to use notepad++ 16:55:06 <Bjarni> I need windows to make PCB layouts 16:56:22 <michi_cc> TrueBrain: do you know if hg has something similar to the git rebase command? 16:56:27 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0406E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:56:35 <fjb> Bjarni: I don't get Windows for free, but I don't use Linux either. :-P 16:56:42 <Bjarni> :P 16:56:53 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r11255 /trunk/src/oldloader.cpp: -Fix [FS#1332]: industry counter was not updated on TTD savegame loading 16:57:09 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: no idea, sorry 16:57:50 <Ailure> heh loading old savegames 16:57:54 <Ailure> it's been awhile since I tried that 16:58:04 <michi_cc> that would be one clear advantage for git if you write patches without having commit access 16:58:23 <Bjarni> git rebase? 16:58:43 <Bjarni> is that like setting a different server for hg pull and stuff? 16:58:54 <michi_cc> no, it a kind of history rewrite 16:59:01 <Bjarni> ahh 16:59:05 <Bjarni> hmm 16:59:11 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: hg uses other things for that 16:59:16 <TrueBrain> MQ I believe it is called 16:59:18 <michi_cc> dead usefull to keep a patch up-to-date or produce a pretty patch history 16:59:23 <Bjarni> I think there is something like that, but I didn't need it so I didn't pay attention and forwarded to the stuff I needed 16:59:44 <TrueBrain> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/hgbook.html <- all you want to know about hg :) 17:00:14 <Bjarni> how do you revert to last commit when "hg revert" fails? 17:00:35 <dihedral> Sacro: when we have tested it 17:00:38 <TrueBrain> last commit you can rollback, most of the time more useful 17:00:43 <Bjarni> I tried hg merge and then I wanted to revert it and reverted the files, but now it complains that there is an uncommitted merge 17:00:55 <Bjarni> yet there is no file changes 17:01:08 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:10 <dihedral> i guess we will want binaries for linux (diff flavours) os x and win (where i think we can make the windows one) 17:01:45 <TrueBrain> dihedral: if you can give me a patch, I can run it through the nightly system 17:02:46 <dihedral> TrueBrain: apparently you know it already :http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/User:Ammler#No_client_limit 17:03:08 <Sacro> i prefer TrueBrain's idea :) 17:03:18 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:03:23 <dihedral> Sacro: lol 17:03:29 <TrueBrain> dihedral: I know the patch sucks :p But it will do for your job 17:04:37 <dihedral> how many clients do you think it could handle? 17:04:48 <TrueBrain> 1089 17:04:51 <TrueBrain> then Windows starts to bitch 17:04:56 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:10 <michi_cc> TrueBrain: MQ seems to have some similarities to git rebase, but is indeed a different concept. I belive something like that is available for git as well 17:05:23 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: it indeed is 17:05:24 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:05:45 <dihedral> TrueBrain: so it could easily fit 50 or rather 64 to get a standart m-player client number 17:05:45 <michi_cc> rebase can do some cool things, like interactivly reordering, merging or splitting of commits 17:06:20 <TrueBrain> dihedral: depending on the hardware, I guess 17:06:24 <TrueBrain> nobody ever tested it 17:07:43 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:10:05 <dihedral> well then it's about time 17:15:42 <fjb> 50 compynies on a big map? That sounds like fun. 17:15:51 <fjb> companies 17:16:12 <Bjarni> yeah 17:16:17 <Bjarni> if the hardware can handle it 17:16:53 <Bjarni> i can imagine that the server has to have a decent net connection if lag should be at an acceptable level 17:17:16 <TrueBrain> not companies, clients 17:17:31 <Bjarni> also I guess the number of packages would increase so everybody would use a bit more bandwidth 17:17:54 <Bjarni> <TrueBrain> not companies, clients <-- both are interesting concepts :) 17:18:19 <TrueBrain> companies can't be raised that simple 17:18:39 <Bjarni> I didn't say that it would be simple 17:18:39 <Sacro> lies 17:18:42 *** sdfahakan [~sdfahakan@r6dc58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:18:47 * Sacro hands TrueBrain a large integer 17:18:52 <Bjarni> I said that it would be interesting to have in the game 17:19:05 <Bjarni> but I guess we would have problems in a whole lot of locations 17:19:17 <Bjarni> like everywhere we use bitmasks for the companies 17:19:35 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: really, that is fixed in several minutes 17:19:39 <TrueBrain> that isn't a true problem 17:19:42 <TrueBrain> _m is the problem 17:19:47 <sdfahakan> Hi, probably doing some mistake, but can't help myself - a new vehicle became available, first electrified; I converted the track to electrified (and the depot as well), but I can't find the new train in the list of available - what am I doing wrong? 17:23:00 <Bjarni> ohh yeah... _m... that would be a problem 17:23:02 <Bjarni> a big one 17:23:31 <dihedral> well - i hope to make it also a hudge party to celebrate Belugas work on new Indu 17:23:53 <glx> dihedral: you know there are still bugs ;) 17:23:54 <dihedral> and would love to see you all there at some point or other if and when it works 17:24:00 <Bjarni> and you expect all of us to show up at a weeks notice at your place? 17:24:04 <dihedral> glx: whats your point? 17:24:06 <Bjarni> at a normal weekday, right? 17:24:10 <dihedral> there are still bugs in everything 17:24:50 <dihedral> Bjarni: 1. it talks of a saturday in forum and on my website, 2. i would rather see you in the game :-) 17:25:40 <Phazorx> <TrueBrain> Phazorx: and you talk too much: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/since-start/openttdcoop.html << yeah, or i am around too much, or both 17:25:47 <Bjarni> wow, we can all sit at home and play some game where we are able to write to each other 17:25:51 <Bjarni> some party 17:26:09 *** LeviathNL [~LeviathNL@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:26:33 * Sacro fancies some train derailing 17:29:35 <fjb> At least the new industries are working. And the bugs are getting fewer every day. 17:35:55 <fjb> What do you think about passenger (or even freigt) destinations? 17:36:39 <Ammler> Truelight: nice to see you still in toplist of irclog. 17:51:14 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:52:25 *** sdfahakan [~sdfahakan@r6dc58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:01:02 *** LeviathNL [~LeviathNL@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:05:40 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: should be a difficulty setting 18:06:27 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 18:06:31 <Eddi|zuHause> basically, i would like to have destinations for all city based cargo (passengers, mail, good, food etc.) 18:06:40 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Hm, yes, some people like it only easy. :-) 18:06:44 <Eddi|zuHause> for industry cargo it would make more sense to just have capacities 18:08:32 <fjb> It is important that mail has destinations too. Just imagine my mil would be delivered randomly, not where I want it to go. :-) 18:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, currently, it has destination, just nondeterministic 18:09:58 <Eddi|zuHause> wherever it ends up, it wanted to go in the first place 18:10:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate the way bridges work... 18:11:32 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't have any diversity, you always need the fastest bridge available 18:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause> there should be multiple bridges available with the same speed 18:12:02 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe for different lengths 18:12:16 <fjb> Yes. And diagonal bridges would be great. 18:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that is something entirely unrelated 18:17:02 <fjb> I can'T believe it! Sound is working on FreeBSd now. 18:22:35 <huma> is 0.6 builds stable enough? 18:22:52 <Noldo> 0.6? 18:23:01 <huma> i'd like to try new industries and bus stations 18:23:03 <huma> yea, nightbuilds 18:23:32 <fjb> It's pretty stable for me. 18:23:36 <Noldo> just try it, we don't know how stable you want it 18:23:46 <huma> :) 18:23:53 <huma> ok 18:24:17 * huma fetchs r11255 18:30:18 *** bruce89 [~bruce@85-210-39-43.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 18:31:12 <bruce89> any word on the <gallery> tags on the wiki? 18:45:04 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Is the alpine climate compatible to ttr3? 18:45:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not tested that in a while, in the beginning, loading both made OTTD crash 18:46:24 <fjb> Then I will try it. Are there other important things to know about the alpine climate? 18:46:49 <Phazorx> load alpine 1st then bridge/road sets if you have them, then ttrs 18:47:01 <fjb> Ok 18:47:46 <Phazorx> and ttrs params "0 5" for most funkiness 18:48:07 <hylje> funky 18:48:22 <Phazorx> hylje: it is in my book 18:48:38 <hylje> functional, or not quite? ;) 18:49:00 <Phazorx> doesnt affect functionality, just the looks 18:50:11 <fjb> I usually use 0 0. I guess 0 5 would be a bit too funky. 18:52:00 <fjb> Does the snow line change in summer and winter? 18:52:04 <Phazorx> fjb: for large city games 5 is more variety and colors 18:54:51 *** globester [~PrettyPri@131.227.231.159] has joined #openttd 18:57:22 <fjb> At which height is the snow line in alpine climate? 18:59:25 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: it changes during the seasons 19:00:21 <fjb> Great. Which are the minimum an maximum heights? 19:02:59 <Eddi|zuHause> something like 4 and 12, not sure 19:03:15 <fjb> Ok, I will try 19:08:14 <fjb> It's January 1921 and there is no snow at all. :-( 19:08:26 <hylje> hm 19:08:33 <hylje> new year cycle! 19:08:35 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6314.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:57 *** globester [~PrettyPri@131.227.231.159] has quit [] 19:15:42 *** Amixosx [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has joined #openttd 19:15:51 *** Amixosx is now known as Amix^ 19:17:02 <fjb> Ups, no coal mine and no power station... 19:18:19 <fjb> Do you have to use the scenery editor with the new industries? 19:26:09 <TrueBrain> Pirates of the C. part 3 really really REALLY sucks (ass)... 19:27:40 <Amix^> hehe 19:29:07 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E779.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:11 <fjb> Part three is pretty dark... 19:34:28 <fjb> IS YAPF usable with ships now? 19:34:59 <TrueBrain> mor elike: boring 19:37:03 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-125-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:37:40 <TrueBrain> and it sucks that you can't do VC1 encoding on linux 19:37:48 <blathijs> VC1? 19:38:56 <fjb> I saw it at a cinema. 19:39:39 <Phazorx> tb you actualy got BD? 19:42:15 <TrueBrain> blathijs: VC1 == WMV3 19:42:19 <TrueBrain> BD? 19:42:23 <blathijs> ah 19:42:26 <Phazorx> blue ray 19:42:31 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: no 19:42:34 <Phazorx> and vc1 used to be wm9 19:42:34 <TrueBrain> I got a XBox 19:42:36 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-115-209.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:43 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 19:42:46 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: it still is, in fact 19:42:46 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: sint there ffdshow port for linux? 19:42:47 <hylje> large xbox is large 19:43:20 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: ffmpeg doesn't have i 19:43:21 <TrueBrain> t 19:43:22 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Quit: Reboot - LVM is being nasty] 19:43:24 <TrueBrain> and I need an encoder 19:47:08 <TrueBrain> I tried it in WinXP in a VMWare, but it failed to do any encoding.. output stream was 0 bytes :p 19:47:38 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6314.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 20:00:42 <huma> dahil water tower :) 20:00:44 <TrueBrain> * do something wrong and simple, its irrelevant anyway as no sane person 20:00:44 <TrueBrain> would encode to this format unless she has no other options 20:00:44 <TrueBrain> also doing something wrong would fit well in the whole wmv design ... 20:00:52 <TrueBrain> I love how people can talk about MS thingies :p 20:01:33 <huma> btw, if anyone wants archlinux svn package, i have one :) 20:01:44 <TrueBrain> what is so special about it? :p 20:02:13 <Sacro> huma: i have it 20:02:18 <Sacro> probably cos i wrote it... 20:02:34 <huma> i did too :) 20:02:48 <Sacro> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/openttd-svn/openttd-svn/PKGBUILD 20:02:50 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 20:03:30 <TrueBrain> poor description of package 20:03:35 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:03:51 <Sacro> TrueBrain: i copied it straight from the stable one 20:04:01 <TrueBrain> then thatone is poor too :p 20:04:16 <TrueBrain> msg "SVN checkout done or server timeout" <- too lazy to check exit-code? 20:04:33 <Sacro> hmmm, well that was copied from the SVN template :) 20:04:43 <huma> mine says: OpenTTD is a clone of Transport Tycoon Deluxe :) 20:04:49 <Rubidium> so a "Yes" 20:04:54 <fjb> Is there an easy way to compile OTTD on Windows? Or do I have to download and install all nedded libraries separetely? 20:04:55 <huma> just copied from the site :) 20:05:04 <Sacro> Rubidium: "yes" would also be a correct answer 20:05:17 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:07:12 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-138-70-9.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:08:31 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 20:08:42 <Sacro> eek a blathijs 20:09:03 <blathijs> Boo! 20:10:25 *** MarkSlap [~shit@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 20:10:50 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-138-70-9.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:14 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0406E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 20:11:36 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 20:15:52 <Sacro> we need pbs 20:17:45 <fjb> Yes, we need it. Is Tekki still with us? 20:22:38 <TrueBrain> @seen Tekki 20:22:38 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: I have not seen Tekki. 20:22:41 <TrueBrain> !seen Tekki 20:22:42 <_42_> TrueBrain, I don't remember seeing Tekki. 20:22:50 <TrueBrain> poor bots, can't handle a reboot? 20:23:02 <TrueBrain> no, they can :p 20:24:38 <Sacro> @seen tekky 20:24:38 <DorpsGek> Sacro: tekky was last seen in #openttd 5 weeks, 6 days, 1 hour, 24 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <Tekky> bye blathijs. 20:29:14 <TrueBrain> stupid UT3 Demo.. it needs .NET framework, and Wine doesn't have that, DAH! 20:29:14 <TrueBrain> grr 20:29:18 *** boekabar1 [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:29:18 * TrueBrain slaps software 20:29:43 <SmatZ> :-/ 20:29:53 <SmatZ> I am downloading the demo, too 20:30:14 <huma> nothing beats q3 20:30:23 <SmatZ> It would be nice if it worked under Linux, as older Unreals do 20:30:24 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 20:31:10 <bruce89> .NET? bloody silly 20:32:08 <SmatZ> I doubt wine can use mono, but I will try :) 20:35:14 <Sacro> mono ftw 20:35:40 <SmatZ> agreed 20:37:13 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489E637.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E779.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:48 * dihedral greets orudge 20:43:07 *** boekabar1 [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:43:17 <TrueBrain> ha, I made my first ffmpeg patch :) WHOHO! 20:43:39 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: don't count on it :) 20:43:58 <TrueBrain> it is an executable that extracts a .NET application 20:44:07 <TrueBrain> will be hard to get mono to help you out in thisone :) 20:45:09 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: I guess it will be waiting for the official port to be released :) 20:45:32 <SmatZ> :-( 20:47:32 <fjb> Is it usual that half of the tourist center is flipping away? 20:47:54 <bruce89> usually not 20:48:53 <glx> fjb: you mean partly disapearing when moving a window over it? 20:50:18 <fjb> Yes, and not even a window, the mousepointer is enough to make it disappear. 20:50:44 <glx> it happens in ttdp too 20:52:09 <fjb> Looks like a bug in the tourist center than. I would not spend my holidays there. 20:52:54 <TrueBrain> I hate reading white letters on black background for a long time 20:53:06 <TrueBrain> when you stop reading, you can't read other things clearly 20:53:56 <glx> same for me :) 20:54:24 <fjb> Try to read under red light. :-) 20:59:26 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 21:07:11 <fjb> There is no snow. :-( 21:08:51 <bruce89> it's only October? 21:09:20 <SpComb> yet 21:09:24 <Wolf01> 'night 21:09:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:09:50 <fjb> No snow in my alpine climate. :-) 21:10:07 <bruce89> of course 21:10:23 <bruce89> wasn't a question anyway 21:10:42 <fjb> :-) 21:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause> <fjb> Is there an easy way to compile OTTD on Windows? Or do I have to download and install all nedded libraries separetely? <- there is a "useful.zip" somewhere 21:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: sure you started in arctic climate, not temperate? 21:12:57 <glx> useful.zip is to use with MSVC 21:13:01 <fjb> I saw some chocolate santa claus at a chopping center a few days ago. :-( 21:13:27 <bruce89> a place with lots of knives? 21:13:37 <fjb> I startet in temperate... 21:14:42 <Ammler> TrueBrain: thats the only patch for clientLimit 11 and would it make easier to raise the limit later: http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/ammler/console.r11255.diff 21:15:12 <Ammler> you already removed the need for patching settings.cpp 21:15:55 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: do you also expect to find a train at the bus station? 21:16:16 <fjb> Ok, I will start a new game in arctic climate. 21:16:58 <fjb> Didn't know that there is arctic ibn the middle of Europe. :-) 21:17:06 <Ammler> I am not sure, if I should make a FS post anyway, because its so small? 21:18:16 <fjb> Now there is _much_ snow. 21:19:33 <Maedhros> good night 21:19:35 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-161-69.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: night] 21:23:50 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: FlowaPowa] 21:26:59 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:48 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:28:46 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: that's why it's renamed to "alpine" 21:30:01 *** Fry [~Fry@p548B8518.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:31:16 <fjb> Thougt it was a kind of modified temperate climate. 21:32:03 <TrueBrain> EVE-Online refuses here to work via cedega... :( :( :( 21:33:01 <Ammler> fjb: search for BuildOTTD in the forums 21:33:27 <fjb> Ammler: Thank you. 21:33:29 * Sacro uses VS2005 under 'doze 21:33:32 <Sacro> or MingW under Leenux 21:33:34 <Ammler> and I guess, Alpine.grf is a arctic replacement 21:33:56 <Ammler> just with the landscape of temperate and snow 21:34:14 <TrueBrain> ha, fixed it :) YEAH! 21:34:23 <glx> you can use it in temperate Ammler 21:34:40 <Ammler> really? 21:34:54 * Ammler tries... 21:35:12 <fjb> It definitely looks arctic. 21:35:36 <fjb> In temperate climate I got no snow. 21:35:38 <bruce89> I don't see what's wrong with good old make 21:36:19 <Ammler> bruce89: BuildOTTD uses make, imo 21:36:39 <glx> BuildOTTD is o front end for mingw/msys 21:37:02 <bruce89> svn co svn.openttd.org openttd && cd openttd && ./configure && make 21:37:14 <bruce89> or something along those lines 21:37:29 <glx> you need a working mingw/msys install for that 21:37:35 <glx> (on windows) 21:37:45 <bruce89> that's why I'm using Linux 21:37:52 <Ammler> buildottd has that all incl. 21:38:19 <fjb> BuildOTTD looks like the thing I was looking for. 21:38:24 <glx> bruce89: I use that too, but on windows 21:38:25 <bruce89> although the OpenTTD build system is messed up 21:38:45 <bruce89> make compiles all files each time 21:38:53 <Ammler> glx, what need I to do for using Alpine in temperate? 21:39:00 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.1 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 21:39:11 <fjb> I'm using FreeBSD. But I have to build a patched version of OpenTTD for a windows user. 21:39:37 <glx> fjb: you need a crosscompiler 21:39:54 <bruce89> mingw32 21:40:16 <fjb> I have access to a windows workstation for that. 21:40:47 <Ammler> fjb: BuildOTTD is really nice 21:41:56 <glx> Ammler: it worked when I tried some rev ago, but I cannot make it work now 21:42:14 <glx> was probably a bug ;) 21:42:15 <fjb> Ammler: I will try it. Thank you. 21:42:52 <Ammler> hmm, I use it not regulary, I only used it when I needed a win bin like fjb 21:43:11 <Ammler> on VirtualBox Win ;) 21:43:47 <bruce89> bloody C# though 21:43:53 <Ammler> glx, please help me, I don't see any snow in temperate. 21:44:19 <glx> Ammler: it fails for me too indeed 21:44:58 <Ammler> maybe, it does in TTDPatch? 21:45:09 <fjb> I don't mind if it's arctic. It looks great. 21:45:19 * glx checks 21:45:40 <bruce89> is there supposed to be snow? 21:46:05 <fjb> Oh, now I have three kinds of bank... 21:47:00 <glx> Ammler: works the same in ttdp and ottd 21:47:13 <Ammler> bruce89: what else is in Alpine? 21:47:28 <bruce89> in temperate I mean 21:47:37 <Ammler> the best thing on Alpine is, you can use DBSetXL on arctic 21:47:51 <Ammler> and of course the changing snowline 21:48:27 <fjb> But looks like there are more new industry bugs in arctic... 21:48:42 <fjb> I found a bank that produces nothing. 21:48:49 <Ammler> yep, you can't use PBI in arctic 21:49:34 <Ammler> or even you can't use alpine and PBI together 21:50:05 <Ammler> fjb: which newindustries set do you use? 21:50:08 <fjb> What is PBI? 21:50:26 <fjb> I use the Georges sets. 21:51:20 <fjb> The same sets that I use in temperate climate, uónly the basic vector got echanged for the acrtic basic vector. 21:53:57 <Ammler> http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php/Pikka's_Basic_Industries 21:55:14 <fjb> Ammler: Ah, thank you. 21:55:57 <fjb> I prefer DBSetXL anyway. Reminds me of my MÀrlin model railway. 21:56:29 *** thomas [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:58:03 <Ammler> fjb: You played with the new GRF of Michael, does it work well? 21:58:19 <Ammler> (dbxl_ecs.grf) 21:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: arcticw.grf does some newindustries stuff itself, it might not work well with ECS or other newindustries stuff it was not designed for 22:00:09 <Eddi|zuHause> er 22:00:13 <Eddi|zuHause> alpinew.grf 22:00:29 <dihedral> the patch snow_line_height - is that still wroking at all? 22:00:36 <dihedral> *working 22:00:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be... 22:01:14 <fjb> Ammler: yes, it works. 22:01:25 <dihedral> so if i set the value to 3 and play a temperate game, i should have snow all over the place, right? 22:02:07 <glx> dihedral: it's not snow_on_temperate :) 22:02:36 <fjb> Ammler: Only some graphics don't show the real freight. But you can transport any ECS cargo. 22:02:36 <dihedral> according to this http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Snow_line_height 22:02:53 <dihedral> quote "it's possible to have snow-capped mountains etc. without having to play an arctic map" 22:02:55 <Ammler> fjb: and tourists? 22:03:10 <Ammler> can you transport them on the fast passengers trains? 22:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> <Ammler> yep, you can't use PBI in arctic <-- i have somewhere a patch to make a GRF believe it was a different climate, maybe that could help? 22:03:21 <glx> dihedral: don't trust the wiki :) 22:03:28 <dihedral> great 22:03:28 <Ammler> dihedral: did you check Alpine? 22:03:34 <dihedral> no- not yet 22:03:43 <dihedral> is it in the ottc grfpack? 22:04:15 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@201-43-145-83.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 22:04:16 <Ammler> dihedral: yes 22:04:17 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: once upon a time there was a "snow in temperate" patch, it was in MiniIN 22:04:19 <fjb> Ammler: Tourists are working. Only some locomotives are not able to pull trains with tourists. The BR 18 is the only one where that happens. 22:04:22 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: I can try 22:05:04 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause: once upon a time... and nobody cleaned up the bits and pieces of something that never made it into trunk? 22:05:12 <Ammler> fjb: so you can transport tourists with the ICE? 22:06:12 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:06:15 <fjb> Ammler: Don't know. I didn't get that far in that game yet. I only have some TEE using BR 103. 22:06:24 <fjb> Ammler: Look here: http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=3032&page=4 22:07:20 <glx> dihedral: I just removed the wrong stuff on wiki 22:07:24 <bruce89> @seen MiHaMiX 22:07:24 <DorpsGek> bruce89: MiHaMiX was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 7 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <MiHaMiX> Prof_Frink: http://ja0hxv.calico.jp/pai/epivalue.html 22:08:36 <dihedral> glx: does it at least have affect on the arctic map? 22:08:48 <Sacro> "This file becomes a file of the text form when defrosting with decompression software." 22:08:58 <glx> yes it's the only landscape where it has effect 22:09:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: [Di Nov 7 2006] [13:37:51] <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: http://fuzzle.org/o/dodgyhack.diff maybe ;p <-- that was for the snowy newstations to appear in temperate 22:09:48 *** thomas [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:52 <glx> you can modify it in lanscape generator GUI when arctic climate is selected 22:09:52 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, is not there anymore 22:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i dig out the file 22:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/dodgyhack.diff 22:12:40 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: FlowaPowa] 22:14:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-135-225.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the "requirement: within x tiles from town" sound interesting 22:16:42 <Ammler> PBI makes also patch settings more industries per town and industries close together obsolete