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00:06:25 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 00:06:48 <Belugas> [20:06] <bruce89> and all the other icons down the left side <-- what do yo mean? 00:07:02 <bruce89> hang on 00:07:21 <bruce89> the ones beside development and graphics development 00:09:29 <bruce89> -[[Image:OpenttdManual.png]] 00:09:29 <bruce89> +[[Image:OpenttdManual.png|64px]] 00:09:29 <bruce89> -[[Image:DevCode.png]] 00:09:29 <bruce89> +[[Image:DevCode.png|64px]] 00:09:36 <bruce89> without the smile 00:10:59 <Belugas> ho... ok 00:11:06 <Belugas> noted 00:11:17 <Belugas> sutpid quesiton, but... what is the advantage? 00:11:32 <Belugas> "stupid question" 00:11:35 <Belugas> grrrrr 00:11:35 <bruce89> it means the icon in the top left doesn't look stupid 00:11:48 <bruce89> user manual that is 00:12:59 <Belugas> ok 00:13:05 <Belugas> i'll pass by the info 00:13:20 <bruce89> good 00:13:33 <Belugas> i do not have rights to edit the page myself (and do not want it either, not my 00:13:36 <Belugas> job") 13:36:57 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 13:37:17 <dihedral> which one? 13:37:22 <dihedral> Sacro: which server? 13:37:27 <Sacro> dihedral: wwottdgd 13:37:32 <dihedral> yes - that's ok 13:37:57 *** Ihmemies [ihmemies@a88-113-24-180.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:38:44 <dihedral> check this out http://openttd.dihedral.de/servers/wwottdgd/ 13:39:31 <Sacro> mm, pretty 13:39:58 <Sacro> though its not valid xhtml 13:40:30 * Sacro confiscates dihedral's valid xhtml signi 13:40:31 <Sacro> *sign 13:40:32 <Ihmemies> not! valid! omg!! 13:41:29 <hylje> wtf is this wwottdgd 13:41:35 <Sacro> dihedral: why are all the trams available from 1920? that looks like a bug 13:41:50 <Ihmemies> what's the point of that page :P 13:42:12 <Ihmemies> some.. server? 13:42:12 <Ihmemies> uh 13:43:40 <dihedral> it's live server data from the wwottdgd beta test server 13:43:44 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 13:43:54 <dihedral> wwottdgd does not stand for Whalt Would OpenTTD Guys DO 13:44:04 <dihedral> its World Wide OpenTTD Game Day 13:44:06 <Ihmemies> where i could find the build? 13:44:21 <dihedral> #wwottdgd 13:44:34 <dihedral> or on openttd.dihedral.de 13:44:37 <dihedral> or in the forums 13:44:48 <dihedral> and read the topic of that channel 13:45:18 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:30 *** Sacro` [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:47:35 <Sacro`> hmm:\ 13:47:41 <Sacro`> dihedral: what was that channel again? 13:47:48 <dihedral> #wwottdgd 13:50:38 *** Alberth [~hat@hmm-dca-ap03-d06-189.dial.freesurf.nl] has left #openttd [] 13:51:13 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 13:52:16 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:49 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:55:56 *** Sacro` is now known as Sacro 14:07:36 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-248-18.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 14:32:59 *** fjb [~frank@W8d66.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 14:33:12 <fjb> Hi 14:35:59 <blathijs> ey fjb 14:48:20 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.74.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:32 *** mcm [~Maui_key@p5498D166.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:50:26 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498D166.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:50:33 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r11257 /trunk/src/newgrf_text.cpp: -Fix (r11145): wrong endian used when preparing text ref stack 14:50:39 *** mcm is now known as mcbane 14:55:34 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:57:44 <skidd13> Anyone who gets the Mersenne Twister Randow Number generator working? 14:58:04 <skidd13> :%S /Randow/random/ 15:06:00 <fjb> No, not really. 15:06:12 <skidd13> Ah got it. Missed one define 15:07:01 <fjb> Will that become a new random number generator for OpenTTD? 15:08:35 <skidd13> I noticed that piece of code yesterday and wanted to try it. No idea what are the plans about it. 15:09:25 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 15:10:39 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-34-230.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:11:05 *** Rafagd [~kvirc@BHE200150043140.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #openttd 15:15:14 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:22 <Phazorx> Rubidium / TrueBrain 15:20:43 <Phazorx> apparently reason for desyncs we had on beta test server was not relevant to the patch 15:20:56 <Phazorx> and was caused by triggering wagon speed limits 15:21:13 <Phazorx> being switched off before clients have joined 15:22:05 <mcbane> phasor when i used ECS i build a rail way and the other moved there he desynced. 15:22:11 <Phazorx> i have a feeling that since vehicles speed is updated when they reconfigured in depot, that information is cached soemwhere on server, but then client join they calculate speed based on current settings and not aware that trains should be going slower 15:22:30 <Phazorx> mcbane: on #openttdcoom.dev? 15:22:40 <Phazorx> this isnt ECS relevant bug tho 15:23:01 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.74.187] has joined #openttd 15:23:36 *** umj[br] [~chatzilla@5ac6ffe7.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:25:00 <Maedhros> skidd13: it's been there for years, but it's never been made multiplayer safe, so it hasn't been used 15:25:38 <Phazorx> Maedhros: perhaps you have a comment about what i just metioned? 15:26:15 <skidd13> Maedhros: Sad. It works nicely in singleplay. 15:28:06 <Maedhros> Phazorx: i haven't looked at that bit of code, so not at the moment ;) 15:33:05 <mcbane> phazorx: ? 15:33:56 <Phazorx> mcbane: we are not using ecs at the moment and that desync is unlikely relevant to NI, and i was wondering on what server did you get the desync you describe 15:34:05 <Phazorx> was it one that runs in #openttdcoop.dev? 15:34:14 <dihedral> TrueBrain: 15:34:19 <mcbane> i was trying it in lan network 15:34:43 <dihedral> you have a script to make pisg change autopilots lines to actually get credited to the actual players? 15:42:20 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:43:20 *** Jhs [~chatzilla@ti231210a340-1849.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 15:50:18 <mcbane> hmm 15:50:49 <mcbane> if i scoll over my rail lines then .. boom.. desync.. 15:52:38 <Phazorx> strange 15:53:06 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 15:53:53 *** Markkisen [~shit@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 15:54:52 *** Rafagd [~kvirc@BHE200150043140.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:27 *** Jhs [~chatzilla@ti231210a340-1849.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:14 <mcbane> bjarni (i think it was him) said coalpowerplant has been fixed also , but i still have no sulphur.. 16:10:36 <glx> using recent nightly? 16:10:36 <mcbane> but im sure i have the latest versions of the datafiles of ecs. 16:10:39 <mcbane> yes 16:11:01 <mcbane> 11255 16:11:26 <mcbane> got 33 industries. 16:11:57 <glx> works for me 16:12:40 <mcbane> strange 16:12:51 <mcbane> in what order did you load em? 16:12:58 <glx> new game or loaded game? 16:13:18 <mcbane> the esc grf files. 16:13:33 <glx> I put them in grfid order 16:13:33 <TrueBrain> dihedral: <publicserver> Name: is replaced by <Name>, yes 16:13:47 <TrueBrain> and pisg doesn't do that, but the log-files are changed 16:13:49 <Phazorx> glx / TrueBrain: can you comment on what i stated here ~50 min ago on wagon speed limits disabling and desyncs? 16:13:56 <fjb> I get sulphur in temperate climatic, but not in alpine climatic. 16:14:22 *** Rafagd [~kvirc@BHE200150043140.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #openttd 16:15:05 <hylje> newindustries makes me want a fantasy set for o?ttdp? 16:15:16 <hylje> a toyland which isn't just as silly 16:15:24 <glx> fjb: don't mix industry sets 16:15:34 <mcbane> glx: town , basic,chem,machinery,wood,construction,agricultur? 16:15:44 <glx> mcbane: yes 16:16:00 <mcbane> strange 16:16:10 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5D1F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:16:16 <fjb> I use the besic vector for arctic climate. 16:16:21 <fjb> basic 16:17:32 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:18:00 <glx> fjb: using only ECS ? 16:18:44 <fjb> Yes, Georges ECS vectors and long vehicles and Michaels DBSetXL. 16:19:52 *** Petar [~chatzilla@194.208.72.24] has joined #openttd 16:19:59 <Petar> moi 16:20:02 <Petar> *moin 16:20:06 <fjb> Moin 16:20:07 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:20:29 <Petar> fjb, sprichst du Deutsch? 16:21:28 <glx> fjb: works for me 16:21:53 <Petar> unwell. Someone else who speaks English? 16:22:00 <Petar> ehrm, I mean German ;-) 16:22:24 <glx> only English is allowed here ;) 16:22:42 <fjb> Petar: Ja, ich spreche Deutsch. 16:23:11 <fjb> Petar: I'm speaking english, too. 16:23:12 <fjb> :-) 16:23:55 <fjb> glx: Maybe it's the alpine.grf that makes trouble with ECS. 16:24:16 <glx> compare with ttdp 16:24:37 <Petar> unwell. Okay, I'll try it. - I want to realize in OpenTTD something like the mainstation of Zurich. may be 53 tracks, and over 800 trains leaving and connecting. - The problem is with normal signals I can not realize this. I have to choose the PBS signales. - Does someone know a good tutorial for PBS signals? 16:24:57 <glx> no PBS in ottd 16:25:20 <Petar> but why? 16:25:25 <glx> not coded 16:25:42 <glx> and not easy to code 16:26:09 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 16:26:46 <mcbane> same here petar =D 16:28:25 <mcbane> ok glx. 16:28:32 <mcbane> i tried on other comp and it works.. 16:28:37 <mcbane> totally strange 16:29:00 <mcbane> but still i can desync lan game with esc,. 16:39:08 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-248-18.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:40:05 <Phazorx> peter there are ways to deal with load 16:40:36 <Phazorx> and PBS is not the only one... mind you i have no idea what kind of CPU 800 PBSed trains will requite but it is at least 5x to what normal game does 16:41:47 <peterbrett> Zurich station is fun :) 16:42:02 <peterbrett> How about starting small(er), and doing Basle? 16:44:21 <SmatZ> PBS is not "imaginary"? can real trains go on the same signal segment? 16:45:18 <dihedral> Smatz yes 16:45:26 <fjb> Yes they can. 16:45:36 <SmatZ> scary :-/ 16:45:49 <hylje> i think it's only when the switches are set correctly 16:46:49 <fjb> Yes, it is only possible when their paths don't cross. 16:47:31 <fjb> Real signals ususally show red and go to green only when a train enters that signal block. 16:47:44 <hylje> defaults to red 16:49:09 <fjb> That's why I like Teekis proposal for a new signal system in OpenTTD. But Tekki seams to have disaapeared. 16:50:16 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-156-243.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:50:40 <Sacro> *coughs* not just his 16:51:21 <fjb> Oh, ok, sorry Sacro. 16:53:25 <hylje> it's okay to ignore Sacro 16:53:29 <Wolf01> /sito OTTD_related/lego/T.png 16:53:33 <Petar> what is with http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Realistic_Path_Based_Signalling#Bi-directional_double_track_in_the_proposed_new_PBS_system ?! - Is this realized yet? 16:53:33 <Wolf01> mh 16:53:37 * Wolf01 http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/lego/T.png 16:53:39 <Wolf01> comments? 16:54:16 <Sacro> what word do german people really mean when they translate to "Realized" 16:55:08 <fjb> Petar: That is the proposal I talked about. 16:55:14 <hylje> Wolf01: pretty cool 16:55:29 <dihedral> Wolf01: that looks good 16:55:44 <fjb> Sacro: It means: Is it implemented yet? 16:55:59 <Sacro> fjb: well why not used "Implemented" 16:56:06 <Wolf01> i think that the - - - - line is not so good, but i'm poor of ideas 16:56:47 <fjb> Sacro: I would like to see you writing german: :-) 16:58:22 <Sacro> Warum? 16:58:24 <Maedhros> using "realised" there is valid english as well... ;) 16:58:49 <fjb> Not everybody speaks english that well. 17:00:33 <Sacro> bug: the ukrs grainflow hopper shows (refittable) when it has no refit options 17:01:37 <Maedhros> yeah, it's always done that - (technically it's true too - it *is* refittable, but none of the cargoes it's refittable to are available) 17:01:48 *** AntB is now known as Guest1725 17:01:54 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.92.112] has joined #openttd 17:03:58 <Petar> ehrm, are there plans to programm a tool to build signals into tunnels? 17:04:09 <Maedhros> not at the moment 17:04:21 *** Guest1725 [~AntB-UK@81.140.74.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:45 <Maedhros> tunnels (and bridges) don't actually exist on the map - only the entrances and exits do 17:04:58 <Maedhros> vehicles just move in straight lines between them at a constant speed 17:06:48 <fjb> How do trains break down on bridges then? :-) (Yes, I know, bridges are called a black hole in the source.) 17:07:01 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl10-66-102.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:07:10 <Petar> Maedhros: but whats the problem? is it to difficult to programm this or is the problem the human? ^^ 17:07:12 <Maedhros> ok, ok, so the speed is not necessarily constant ;) 17:07:36 <Maedhros> but they still don't know anything about their surroundings - their breakdown counter has just reached 0 17:07:51 <Maedhros> Petar: both - it's difficult to program, and no-one's attempted it ;) 17:08:24 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:30 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:09:36 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 17:09:38 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-248-18.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:10:30 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 17:10:34 <Sacro> grr 17:11:20 <Petar> Maedhros: it's funny. I don't know, how to programm in C very well, but I am very good in informatics (i am studying it). - I am our man, how can I help you^^? 17:11:50 *** glx is now known as Guest1726 17:11:50 *** glx|away is now known as glx 17:12:40 <peterbrett> Would be nice to have PBS in 0.7 :( 17:13:02 <Noldo> it would be nice to have everything NOW! 17:13:07 <Maedhros> Petar: one of things you'd need is a way to actually store the signals and the signal state on the map 17:13:24 <Maedhros> you'd also need a way to build them - the gui isn't really set up for that at the moment 17:13:46 <Maedhros> adding layers to the map array is one option that has been suggested for storing the signals 17:14:26 <Maedhros> you'd also need to update the vehicle controllers to check the signals, and you might need to update the signal code to take tunnels and bridges into account 17:15:08 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 17:16:09 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-248-18.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:16:10 *** Guest1726 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:14 <Maedhros> and one of the main things you need is time, which i don't have all that much of anymore :-( 17:16:14 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:40 <Petar> okay, i think, i am better in playing openttd than programming^^ 17:17:15 <peterbrett> I can't help but wonder if it would be worth using a sparse map array 17:18:02 <peterbrett> Divided into tiles (say 32x32) 17:18:07 <Petar> a dirty idea might be to say that tunnels and bridges are like normal rail lines, but on tunnels and bridges is a graphical layer which "hides" them. - in the gui setting you can turn the layer on and off, and so you can build signals 17:18:21 <peterbrett> And you only add extra layers to the tiles which need them 17:19:03 <SmatZ> http://88.146.45.107/ttd/tunnel2.png 17:19:21 <SmatZ> something I am working at, but it takes 'some time' 17:19:36 <Petar> SmatZ: yeah, something I though 17:19:43 <Maedhros> ooh, impressive :) 17:19:44 <peterbrett> funfunfun 17:20:33 <SmatZ> :) 17:20:58 <Ihmemies> just remember to make some nice gfx for the currently black titles too :P 17:21:50 <fjb> That look really good. 17:22:08 <SmatZ> it is not hard to place only rails, but this way you can see the rectangle it is built at... 17:22:23 <dihedral> what on earth is that SmatZ 17:22:37 <fjb> I have to leave you now. I'm going to meet some friends for an evening full of non digital games. :-) 17:22:45 <Petar> tschÃŒss fjb ;-) 17:22:57 <fjb> Have fun. 17:23:04 *** fjb [~frank@W8d66.w.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 17:23:05 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-248-18.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:23:12 <SmatZ> dihedral: haven't seen that yet? :) 17:23:19 <dihedral> no :-) 17:23:28 <dihedral> it looks like a cool feature 17:23:36 <peterbrett> What are these "non-digital games" of which he speaks? 17:24:15 <Petar> sex, drugs and rock'n'roll?! 17:24:20 <dihedral> lol 17:24:27 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:59 <Petar> what's with the "new" renderengine? i read something about a new renderengine?! (ottd renders graphics^^?) 17:29:00 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-248-18.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:29:03 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-248-18.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:29:47 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-248-18.netcologne.de] has quit [] 17:31:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:37:36 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:44:32 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:49:10 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:53:38 <TrueBrain> Petar: most likely you mean the 32bpp 17:54:16 <Petar> yeah, thanks 17:56:07 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:13:20 *** AntB is now known as Guest1732 18:13:25 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.75.235] has joined #openttd 18:17:35 *** Guest1732 [~AntB-UK@81.140.92.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:26 *** Petar [~chatzilla@194.208.72.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:05 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 18:24:35 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4F4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:36 *** Wezz6400 [~not@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 18:36:23 <dihedral> is there an easy way to make max_loan something like 4 or 8 mio? 18:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, change the conversion factor in your custom currency :p 18:40:10 <dihedral> no seriously 18:40:17 <hylje> yes not seriously 18:40:25 <dihedral> for a 55 client game, with a bunch of coopers 18:40:32 <dihedral> 1 mio might be trickey 18:40:35 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:41:04 <hylje> haha, 55 18:41:07 <hylje> how large maps 18:41:09 <hylje> -s 18:42:20 <dihedral> 1024^2 18:42:28 <dihedral> it's running right now 18:42:34 <dihedral> and we already had 32 clients connected 18:42:37 <Amix^> what is the real difference between railroad tycoon and transport tycoon? 18:42:38 <dihedral> #wwottdgd 18:42:46 <Amix^> that railroad tycoon is only trains? 18:42:48 <Amix^> ;p 18:55:08 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.75.235] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 19:01:10 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-34-230.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:48 *** G [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 19:03:03 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-51-89.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:08:41 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041F74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 19:14:01 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11258 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix [FS#1325]: if a Load Amount callback returns 0, it means (according to TTDP's source code, not "the" specs) that it should take the "default" one. 19:16:37 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-227-121.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 19:18:11 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-227-121.netcologne.de] has quit [] 19:24:46 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-227-121.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 19:27:46 <dihedral> > SmatZ has left the game (general error) <--- when can that happen? never seen it before? 19:28:00 *** Wezz6400 [~not@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [] 19:29:09 <SmatZ> likely I forgot to use the server patch 19:29:31 <SmatZ> yes I did, sorry 19:32:14 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 19:33:02 <dihedral> SmatZ: lol 19:34:36 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:15 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:41:58 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:44:47 *** umj[br] [~chatzilla@5ac6ffe7.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 19:45:20 * Wolf01 http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/lego/someroads.PNG 19:45:20 <Wolf01> another little preview 19:45:20 *** umj[br] [~chatzilla@5ac6ffe7.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:46:03 <SmatZ> looks like original Lego parts :) 19:46:12 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11259 /trunk/src/music_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#1331]: the wrong song was played in the first intro game of a single OTTD session. 19:46:45 <Wolf01> but i didn't draw the zebras :P 19:47:52 <SmatZ> I saw only the straight ones... :) 19:49:01 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11260 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Codechange: replace a magic number by a less magic enumified constant. Patch by ammler. 19:49:01 *** umj[br] [~chatzilla@5ac6ffe7.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 19:50:27 <mcbane> so whats that means (more clients?) 19:50:57 <SmatZ> no... 19:51:14 <SmatZ> only replaces one numerical constant with enumerated one 19:51:20 <mcbane> ah. 19:57:31 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11261 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Codechange: Draw selection sprites (HT_RECT, HT_POINT, HT_RAIL) on foundations as ChildSprite of the foundation, not as single ParentSprite. Patch by frosch. 19:59:52 <Wolf01> does this mean that the square selection is not more covered by the tile? 20:01:18 <Rubidium> you mean foundation? 20:01:50 <Rubidium> if so, then yes 20:01:51 <Wolf01> yes, when the tile has foundations, the square is offten covered by the raised tile 20:02:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:07:02 *** bruce89 [~bruce@85-210-39-43.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 20:07:20 <bruce89> Rubidium: thanks for that 20:07:28 <bruce89> funny nobody reported it before 20:11:11 <Rubidium> s/reported/noticed/ maybe? 20:11:41 <bruce89> it's reasonably obvious, mabye people don't have the music 20:12:42 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A67AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:51 <skidd13> hi 20:13:04 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11262 /trunk/src/ (clear_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Fix [FS#1330]: do not check for vehicles that are not on the ground when removing owned land, furthermore do not check for shadows (of aircraft). 20:13:09 <dihedral> hi 20:13:10 <bruce89> which is the best thing in the game 20:13:28 <dihedral> bruce89: did you hear my remix 20:13:30 <dihedral> ? 20:13:41 <Rubidium> bruce89: only if timidity wants to play it nicely 20:13:53 <Rubidium> it's kinda resource heavy 20:14:00 <bruce89> remix? 20:14:22 <dihedral> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/TTDThemeRemix01.mp3 20:14:39 <dihedral> working on getting the sax to hold the notes just a wee tick longer 20:14:42 <Sionide> ohh 20:14:47 <skidd13> Rubidium: You complained over the original town layout bridge behavior. Did you check FS1338? 20:16:01 <Sionide> dihedral, this is your replaced some of the instruments remix 20:16:12 <Sionide> sounds cool 20:16:19 <Sionide> get rid of the opening bit though.. 20:16:22 <Sionide> TTO is way better 20:16:57 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11263 /trunk/src/ (landscape.cpp landscape.h tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Reduce code duplication between DrawBridgePillars and HasFoundation{NW|NE}. Patch by frosch. 20:16:58 <Kommer> TTO? 20:18:12 <Sionide> yeah original 20:18:17 <Sionide> the original theme tune 20:18:26 <Sionide> not the transport tycoon deluxe on 20:18:32 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:19:09 <Kommer> ow.never heard that one 20:20:40 <dihedral> Sionide: i shall do a complete remix of that too 20:20:59 <dihedral> Rubidium: i can buy vehicles and sell vehicles in paused mode, but cannot give orders?? 20:21:55 <bruce89> svnup.sh doesn't work 20:22:26 <Rubidium> bruce89: works fine here 20:22:40 <bruce89> maybe it was the svn server 20:23:27 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 20:23:46 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 20:24:54 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11264 /trunk/src/ (rail_gui.cpp road_gui.cpp): -Codechange: replace a lot of magic numbers with enums for the rail and road GUIs. Patch by skidd13. 20:25:13 <bruce89> I don't get any music on start now 20:25:46 * Wolf01 http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/lego/T2.PNG 20:25:46 <Wolf01> which is better? 20:26:15 <bruce89> Wolf01: left 20:26:37 <mcbane> left , thinner lines. 20:27:10 <Wolf01> both have the same lines, the right has only longer lines :P 20:27:24 <skidd13> Wolf01:maybe less lines look better. 20:30:14 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:44 <dihedral> the lines look a little wobbely 20:31:33 <Wolf01> 'cause my antialiasing ability is not much trained :P 20:42:10 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 20:47:15 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B04237C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:47:46 <bruce89> dihedral: did you just replace some instruments with other ones 20:48:07 <dihedral> yes aswell 20:48:31 <dihedral> some stereo effects 20:48:36 <dihedral> and deleted some others 20:48:49 <dihedral> moved some instruments further into bg other fg 20:51:55 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 20:52:36 <bruce89> what happened to the theme between TT and TTD 20:56:02 <skidd13> Rubidium:nice idea with the bit shifting! 20:56:51 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 20:57:51 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:55 <bruce89> why is the code supposed to be C++, it looks like C mostly 21:01:54 <skidd13> bruce89: The 0.5 series is mostly plain C (yapf, etc. excluded). Its hard work to convert all code from C to C++. You can compile C code with a C++ compiler so the conversion can be done step by step. 21:02:16 <bruce89> of course 21:02:29 <bruce89> why bother converting though 21:02:56 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D144.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:03:25 <skidd13> C++ has advantages. And a bastard of C and C++ is not nice. 21:03:41 <Maedhros> eh, i'm a C coder, so it works for me ;) 21:03:55 <bruce89> Linus has some things to say about ++ 21:04:17 <Maedhros> Linus has some things to say about a lot of things 21:04:41 <skidd13> Linus is human and no god! 21:04:50 <Maedhros> although if he's talking about C++ in the kernel he's more than likely to be right 21:04:59 <dihedral> linus comments on anything and everything 21:04:59 <bruce89> it was in git 21:05:28 <bruce89> somebody was shocked to see git was in C, and he said something about bad things being written in C++ 21:05:38 <bruce89> so all things in C++ are bad apparently 21:05:40 <dihedral> and besids linus' oppinion on stuff, everybody here has their on 21:06:12 <Prof_Frink> Write everything in brainfuck! 21:06:36 <bruce89> go back to assembly 21:06:42 <ln-> Look what Linus has to say: http://aia.yi.org/fun/linus-speedo-mach.jpg 21:07:20 <skidd13> bruce89: assembly <- you seem to be on the wrong IRC room the one from TTDPatch is over there ;) 21:07:26 <bruce89> those are 2 words you hope to never see toghether 21:07:53 <bruce89> linus and speedo that is 21:12:14 <Prof_Frink> Could be worse. Could be rms. 21:12:32 <bruce89> I suppose so 21:16:35 <Ammller> Rubidium: around? I have really bad output on my debugger 21:16:46 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: FlowaPowa] 21:16:46 <Ammller> (or even no output) 21:16:58 <Maedhros> Ammller: i think he's gone to bed 21:17:23 <bruce89> no output in a debugger? 21:18:52 * Wolf01 quits 21:18:55 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:19:00 <skidd13> night 21:19:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:19:05 <Ammller> but exits almost hourly 21:19:05 <Ammller> does openttd.cfg support include an other file? 21:19:06 <Ammller> so we could have one file with banned IPs for all servers 21:19:26 <glx> no 21:19:59 <skidd13> Ammller: what about a script included in the autopilot? 21:20:26 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: maedhros * r11265 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Feature: Make more advanced rail types more expensive to build. 21:21:31 <bruce89> ooohhhhhhh 21:22:10 <Ammller> Continuing. 21:22:12 <Ammller> Cannot find user-level thread for LWP 3900: generic error 21:22:12 <Ammller> (gdb) quit 21:22:12 <dihedral> Ammller: the banned ip's dont even get written to the cfg during the game 21:22:14 <Ammller> thats all I get 21:22:14 <Ammller> Maedhros: cool thing 21:22:25 <Maedhros> and with that, it's time for me to go to bed 21:22:29 <Maedhros> good night :) 21:22:32 <dihedral> good night 21:22:39 <Ammller> thank you very much Maedhros :) 21:22:39 <skidd13> good night 21:22:39 <dihedral> me too 21:22:45 <dihedral> g'night 21:22:54 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-161-69.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: good night] 21:23:12 <skidd13> Ammller: How was the more clients test run? 21:23:31 <Ammller> technically no problems 21:23:36 <skidd13> :) 21:23:54 <dihedral> skidd13: twas awsome :-) 21:24:00 <Ammller> :) 21:24:30 <dihedral> looking forward to the actual game 21:24:33 <Ammller> yeah, I need to sleep 21:24:36 <Ammller> over that first 21:24:43 <dihedral> heh 21:24:57 <dihedral> over the numbers calculated or what? 21:25:16 <Ammller> no, they aren't bad 21:25:54 <dihedral> 100GB + for 24h? 21:26:25 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:32 <skidd13> woot 21:26:46 <Ammller> dihedral: ? 21:27:13 <Ammller> @calc 250 / 13 * 55 * 60 * 60 * 24 / 1024 / 1024 21:27:15 <DorpsGek> Ammller: 87.151160607 21:27:26 <Ammller> dihedral: whats that? 21:27:54 <dihedral> estimated traffic in GByte for a full 24 hours 21:28:11 <dihedral> sorry - missing a /8 there 21:28:20 <skidd13> number of max clients? 21:28:25 <dihedral> 55 21:28:25 <Ammller> 55 21:28:33 <skidd13> :D 21:28:38 <dihedral> @calc 250 / 8 / 13 * 55 * 60 * 60 * 24 / 1024 / 1024 21:28:39 <DorpsGek> dihedral: 10.8938950759 21:28:46 <dihedral> ok - 10 gig 21:28:58 <dihedral> + save game downloads 21:29:09 <dihedral> 1.8 - 2.6 mb each 21:29:11 <Ammller> one per 10 mins 21:29:24 <Ammller> hmm, maybe more 21:29:35 <dihedral> well - for an average that's ok 21:29:35 <Ammller> but thats the worst case 21:29:38 <dihedral> yes 21:29:42 <dihedral> exacltly 21:29:57 <dihedral> there aint no point on doing something withough expecting worst case :-) 21:30:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-130-117.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:30:32 <Ammller> we should define companies and their "worker" before start 21:30:37 <Sacro> where is tekky 21:30:43 <dihedral> "worker" ? 21:30:49 <Ammller> players 21:31:03 <dihedral> that is why i though of making a company for each continent 21:31:04 <Ammller> for me its hard work, when I play OTTD 21:33:22 <TrueBrain> dihedral: and, how is it going? 21:33:36 <dihedral> i am really happy - must say 21:33:52 <TrueBrain> do tell 21:34:31 <dihedral> i appreciated seeing so many souls joined together in some strange way via the i-net... adicted to one and the same game 21:34:37 <dihedral> missing out social life 21:34:38 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 21:34:40 <dihedral> :-D 21:34:52 <Sacro> i hate the high amount of co-op playing 21:35:02 <Sacro> it really ruins the game and makes the map look so unbelivably ugly 21:35:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:08 <dihedral> Sacro: it aint gonna be a forever game 21:35:16 <dihedral> just 24 hours or something along those lines 21:35:37 <Sacro> dihedral: yes, i just hate the people who put huge 4 line tracks and stupid dirty big useless junctions everywhere 21:35:56 <dihedral> lol 21:36:14 <dihedral> Sacro: join company 255 and enjoy the chatter 21:36:28 <Ammller> Sacro: indeed, that should be other in the next time 21:36:35 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4F4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 21:36:38 <dihedral> seriously TrueBrain, i just enjoy watching stuff like that 21:36:42 <Sacro> Ammller: ? 21:36:54 <Sacro> dihedral: company 255? 21:36:56 <Ammller> too many were on one company 21:37:05 <dihedral> Sacro: company 255 = spectator 21:37:05 <Sacro> god 21:37:12 <Sacro> a 2MB save >< 21:37:19 <dihedral> lol 21:37:21 <dihedral> :-) 21:37:35 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 21:37:48 <TrueBrain> dihedral: and, any idea about the bandwidth usage? 21:38:36 <dihedral> 10 gig + downloading the map 21:38:43 <dihedral> that's for 24 hours 21:38:49 <dihedral> on net_frame_freq = 2 21:38:57 <Ammller> but worst case 21:39:01 <TrueBrain> @calc 10 * 1024 * 1024 / 24 / 60 / 60 21:39:01 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 121.362962963 21:39:04 <TrueBrain> 121 kb/sec 21:39:07 <TrueBrain> how many players? 21:39:07 <Ammller> or even best case 21:39:22 <dihedral> 55 21:39:34 <TrueBrain> not bad 21:40:05 <dihedral> sounds about right 21:40:27 <dihedral> that actually sounds like net_frame_freq = 1 21:40:36 <ln-> let me speak some dutch; P(s), V(s) 21:40:47 <Ammller> we had about 100k when 20 players were playing 21:41:04 <dihedral> 250 with 13, no? 21:41:16 <dihedral> 250 kbit 21:41:24 <Ammller> oh, yeah could be sorry 21:41:26 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-156-243.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 21:41:29 <TrueBrain> bah, grfs... 21:41:32 <TrueBrain> I hate grfs! :p 21:41:33 <dihedral> hence the calculation 21:41:47 <TrueBrain> one <unknown> newgrf, lol :p 21:41:53 <dihedral> TrueBrain: and what amazed me most was that even with so many clients, all udp packest still worked a charm 21:42:03 <TrueBrain> udp always works 21:42:07 <dihedral> heh 21:42:13 <Ammller> TrueBrain: just realod the server info 21:42:13 <dihedral> depends 21:42:15 <TrueBrain> udp is designed for that 21:42:15 <dihedral> packet size 21:42:39 <Ammller> TrueBrain: and check the revision 21:42:44 <dihedral> TrueBrain: i am more regarding to the packet size limit, only sending one packet for each type (INFO | DETAIL | NEWGRF) 21:43:10 <dihedral> if you have 55 clients, the INFO_DETAIL packet is more than doomed to run out of space 21:43:29 <dihedral> make that DETAIL_INFO :-P 21:44:05 <dihedral> anyhow - i need to get to bed now 21:44:14 <dihedral> have quite some stuff to work on tomorrow 21:44:50 <TrueBrain> lol, .tar support seems totally broken :) 21:45:12 <TrueBrain> euh, nevermind 21:45:15 <TrueBrain> UDP newgrf is broken :p 21:45:16 <TrueBrain> hehe 21:45:28 <ln-> "not funny!", tron would say 21:45:40 <dihedral> http://openttd.dihedral.de/servers/wwottdgd/ 21:45:44 <Sacro> where'd he go? 21:45:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 21:45:59 <dihedral> heh - those are cached :-D 21:45:59 <Sacro> @seen Tron 21:46:00 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Tron was last seen in #openttd 18 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 30 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <Tron> let me revert it 21:46:10 <Ammller> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1337 <-- could be closed 21:46:26 <Sacro> Ammller: but it's 1337 :( 21:46:27 <ln-> Sacro: again, that was not _the_ Tron 21:46:49 <dihedral> TrueBrain: UDP seems ok on that page 21:47:06 <mcbane> udp? 21:47:39 <dihedral> a packet type 21:47:43 <TrueBrain> dihedral: the naming of newgrfs are wrong from time to time 21:47:49 <dihedral> heh 21:47:51 <Sacro> SYN! 21:47:52 <dihedral> how come 21:47:55 <dihedral> that is odd 21:48:09 <dihedral> SYN is a flag in a tcp packet Sacro, not a packet type 21:48:15 <Sacro> :( 21:48:20 <Sacro> i was hoping someone would reply 21:48:26 <dihedral> ACK 21:48:29 <Sacro> but then, if i don't specify a target, then i probably won't get one 21:48:30 <Prof_Frink> sACKro 21:48:34 <TrueBrain> SYN and ACK are no packets 21:48:41 <Sacro> TrueBrain: they are spacestations? 21:48:48 <dihedral> flags 21:49:07 <dihedral> one bit flags at different positions in tcp packets 21:49:14 <dihedral> syn floods are actually quite neat 21:49:24 <glx> there's no control for UDP 21:49:31 <glx> it's just sent 21:49:37 <dihedral> most dsl home routers/modems dont have syn flood protection 21:49:52 <dihedral> glx: data in the udp packets are sent in a certain way 21:49:58 <dihedral> *is 21:50:03 <TrueBrain> Sacro: SYN and ACK are part of the TCP implementation 21:50:12 <TrueBrain> as dihedral says, flags to be set 21:50:12 <Prof_Frink> dihedral: No, data are plural 21:50:32 <Sacro> what is the singular? 21:50:33 <dihedral> you still never have 'data are' 21:50:40 <dihedral> there is no singular 21:50:52 <dihedral> hence it's an exception and always 'is' 21:50:52 <TrueBrain> data can't be singular :) 21:51:01 <Sacro> Etymology 21:51:01 <Sacro> From Latin data, plural of datum (âthat is givenâ), neuter past participle of dare (âto giveâ). 21:51:02 <glx> datum is 21:51:15 <Sacro> i thought datum actually... 21:51:45 <dihedral> used in the latin language as singular :-) 21:52:07 <dihedral> TrueBrain: did you hear my little ttd theme remix :-P 21:52:09 <TrueBrain> you can only use datum if you use datus too :p 21:52:29 <glx> datus? 21:53:10 <Prof_Frink> Aah, latin grammar 21:53:16 <TrueBrain> :) 21:53:18 * Prof_Frink has quit (Excess geek) 21:53:25 <Sacro> hmmm 21:53:34 <Sacro> graffiti is plural 21:53:39 <Sacro> graffito is the singular 21:53:47 <glx> like spaghetti :) 21:53:54 <Sacro> are you sure? 21:53:57 <Sacro> spaghetto? 21:54:01 <dihedral> lol 21:54:02 <Sacro> or spaghettio? 21:54:10 <dihedral> sei pazzo 21:54:25 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Italian hifi. 21:54:32 <Prof_Frink> Spaghetto blaster 21:54:55 <Sacro> spaghetti (uncountable; an individual strand is called a piece of spaghetti or a strand of spaghetti) 21:55:02 <Sacro> glx: are you trying to con me :p 21:55:23 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 21:56:37 <dihedral> night ladies ;-) 21:57:10 *** G [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:25 <Ammller> nacht dihedral 21:57:54 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 21:57:56 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-216-079.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: visiting the land of nod] 22:00:43 <mcbane> hmm 22:01:02 <mcbane> what did you do? i crash less with ecs set now. 22:01:24 <mcbane> err desync 22:03:55 <mcbane> what i dont understand in uk renewal set is that there are trains at 1902 but no passenger and cargo wagons. 22:11:12 <skidd13> Ammller:you want FS#1337 to be closed? 22:14:37 <Ammller> I guess, Rubidums explainations are quite good and the issue isn't really importend 22:14:47 <skidd13> Ok I close it. 22:15:43 <Prof_Frink> How lame 22:15:49 <mcbane> ? 22:15:57 <Prof_Frink> Bug 1337 should be "openttd is not 1337 enough" 22:17:36 <skidd13> Ammller: closed as you whished ;) 22:17:42 <bruce89> only 1337 bugs? 22:18:19 <skidd13> bruce89: since the init of flyspray... There has been the SF bug-tracker before. 22:18:31 <bruce89> that's more like it 22:18:51 <glx> and it includes patches and feature requests too 22:19:23 <TrueBrain> @openttd bugs 22:19:25 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Open Bugs: 18; Not assigned: 12; Closed this week: 19; Opened this week: 19 22:19:27 <TrueBrain> we don't have that many open bugs ;) 22:23:00 <bruce89> that's pathetic 22:23:04 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:38 <skidd13> bruce89: Thats open-source (free time development). How long needs Mircrosoft and other commerical to fix their bugs half a year? OTTD fixes most bugs in less than a few days! 22:24:48 <bruce89> so I notice 22:24:50 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl10-66-102.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:24:53 <bruce89> GNOME has 33848 open bugs 22:27:06 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:41 <Prof_Frink> Ubuntu has 32911 22:28:06 <huma> openttd has? 22:28:23 <bruce89> @openttd bugs 22:28:23 <DorpsGek> bruce89: Open Bugs: 18; Not assigned: 12; Closed this week: 19; Opened this week: 19 22:28:29 <huma> haha 22:28:53 <TrueBrain> we try to keep it as small as possible :) 22:28:57 <mcbane> @hmm bugs 22:28:58 <TrueBrain> so far we are doing a nice job, so I think 22:29:03 <TrueBrain> mcbane: try thisone 22:29:05 <TrueBrain> @kick mcbane 22:29:05 *** mcbane was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [TrueBrain] 22:29:09 <glx> :) 22:29:13 <huma> eek 22:29:23 <bruce89> Evolution has 209 more bugs than it had last week 22:29:58 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498D166.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:00 <bruce89> there wasn't a youtube link there was there? 22:30:08 <huma> it was hidden 22:30:15 <mcbane> very funny brain.. 22:30:18 <TrueBrain> tnx :) 22:30:23 * TrueBrain hugs mcbane 22:31:01 <bruce89> no wonder there are no admins (or whatever they are called) in #osm 22:31:06 <huma> hey jude.. 22:31:35 <huma> osm? 22:31:42 <bruce89> OpenStreetMap 22:31:58 <huma> ah 22:32:05 <TrueBrain> they tell you which street is not accessble right now 22:32:08 <TrueBrain> because of roadwork and such 22:32:23 <bruce89> really? 22:32:23 *** Rafagd [~kvirc@BHE200150043140.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32:29 <bruce89> it more of a free world map 22:32:34 <TrueBrain> oh? :p 22:32:46 <bruce89> http://www.informationfreeway.org/ 22:33:10 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/heightmaps/test68.png 22:33:21 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/heightmaps/test53.png 22:33:54 <bruce89> road map that is 22:34:16 <mcbane> truebrain when generating the map the generator tries where to place the industries right? 22:34:24 <glx> yes 22:34:26 <bruce89> _Ben_ is an OSMer 22:34:29 <glx> why? 22:34:57 <_Ben_> Hi 22:35:08 <mcbane> because i was it placing tourist center in the water. and of cause at the end the got flooded. 22:35:14 <mcbane> without a message of cause. 22:35:19 <bruce89> indeed 22:35:49 <mcbane> im not sure how to log such stuff without compile openttd. 22:37:40 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-084-058-062-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:33 *** nairan_ZZzz [~Maui_key@p5498D166.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:53 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498D166.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:41:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EAFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:47 <skidd13> good night 22:43:06 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A67AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:44:30 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-084-058-002-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:00 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:17 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:52:34 <Sacro> bounce 22:54:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:00:04 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:26 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has joined #openttd 23:10:40 *** fjb [~frank@W8d66.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:10:45 <fjb> Hi 23:11:46 <DaleStan> Rubidium: Re r11258: I think the official lines are "zero is failure" and "If the vehicle has no capacity for that cargo, it shouldn't be refittable to that cargo." But yes, the docs aren't entirely clear on that. 23:15:03 <ln-> how does one pronounce "ASCII"? 23:15:19 <glx> aski 23:22:17 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B04237C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 23:25:39 <Belugas> [18:37] <mcbane> because i was it placing tourist center in the water. and of cause at the end the got flooded. <--- I saw it too. I'll try to find out why, but it's not going to be an easy task. 23:35:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> DaleStan: it was about loading speed, not capacity 23:37:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> weird, i suddenly have statues and fountains with bare ground instead of paved area 23:37:59 <ln-> when can we build underwater tunnels? 23:38:41 <DaleStan> Oh. *grumble* I've fallen into that "load amount" vs "capacity" trap before. The "zero is failure" applies more impressively there, though. 23:39:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, now my BR 05 can actually carry passengers around ;) 23:43:35 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: Couldn't it before? 23:44:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: see FS#1325 23:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> what i find most interesting is that it actually behaves differently in temperate and alpine... 23:48:12 <fjb> Yes, strange. It's 1932 in my alpine game. 23:49:01 <fjb> Oh, power stations produce sulphur now in alpine, too. They did not in r11255. 23:50:15 <glx> I don't see any reason for it to not work in r11255 23:51:42 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.75.235] has joined #openttd 23:52:16 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.75.235] has quit [] 23:53:42 <fjb> Don't know. They did not in r11255. I compiled r11265 some minutes ago and now they do. 23:55:40 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.93.84] has joined #openttd 23:55:53 <fjb> Electrified railways are more expensive to build. That's great. Now there is a reason to also build nonelectrified railways. 23:59:15 <fjb> But there are still three kinds of bank in alpine climate.