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00:09:52 <Rafagd> first time i've saw a underflow 00:09:54 <Rafagd> =] 00:12:23 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15:49 <Phazorx> it is the overflow of unsigned int :) 00:16:02 <Phazorx> bizzare tho 00:16:15 <Phazorx> i'm just recreating towns where that bug appears 00:16:21 <Phazorx> and not sure if it fixes the prob 00:17:42 <Rafagd> underflow, in this case 00:17:53 <Rafagd> 0 -> unsigned int max 00:18:43 <Rafagd> TTRS is that tool to remove anything, including industries and cities? 00:23:45 <Phazorx> ttrs is total town replacement set 00:23:55 <Phazorx> a grf tha makes cities looks nice and vidid 00:30:11 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N952P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:31:43 <Rafagd> Phazorx: i think its not so hard to patch this 00:32:17 <Rafagd> if (pop - hospital_pop > pop) { pop = 1; /* or 0 */ } 00:32:45 <Rafagd> not exactly with these names... =\ 00:33:11 <Gonozal_VIII> q: is there some kind of trick to make road vehicles split into multiple lorry bays more efficiently? 00:33:44 <Gonozal_VIII> trick as in station design 00:33:50 <Ammler> good night all 00:34:21 <Phazorx> Gonozal_VIII: somewhat 00:34:59 <Phazorx> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/blog/2007/08/03/rails-who-needs-rails-a-new-kind-of-game-for-coopers/ 00:35:02 <Phazorx> check that post 00:35:13 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks 00:36:22 <Phazorx> Ammler: gnight 00:46:27 <Rafagd> amazing grf, it kinda bug on turning but it's really good 00:48:52 <Gonozal_VIII> i tried with all pathfinders now but somehow the trucks seem to prefer a single bay and line up behind that, only sometimes a truck or two uses another bay 00:50:17 <Gonozal_VIII> does the distance of the route matter? this doesn't happen on the other routes and they are shorter 00:55:30 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-66-74-155-152.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:14 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-179-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:59:47 <Digitalfox> After a big google search i'm confused.. Well emule supports gzip and uses it to compress transfers, but i can't find info on what about torresnt's with azureus or utorrent, if they support or use gzip... Can someone enlight me please.. :\ 01:00:07 <Digitalfox> *torrent's 01:00:32 <Gonozal_VIII> torrents support any filetype afaik 01:00:54 <Digitalfox> no no my friend, i'm talking of transfer compression 01:01:04 <Digitalfox> not file compression :) 01:01:12 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... 01:01:26 <Gonozal_VIII> then i don't know... 01:01:27 <Digitalfox> you see emule uses gzip for file transfer 01:01:39 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe some clients 01:01:42 <Digitalfox> but i can't get any info about torrents clients 01:02:21 <Digitalfox> i'll keep googling.. :\ 01:05:02 <Rafagd> Digitalfox: 01:05:17 <Rafagd> i think there is no compression 01:05:39 <Rafagd> at least they do not compress the saved file 01:06:20 <Rafagd> i think the only compression they may use on sending, and uncompress on receive... 01:08:01 <Digitalfox> Well emule uses TCP compression, so you want to download a 600MB file and you only have to download 500MB in some cases 01:08:36 <Digitalfox> But i'm not 100% sure on how this works, because i think and may be wrong that it was gzip on transfer 01:09:29 <Digitalfox> Since i'm no programmer, and don't know how the lib's of gzip work.. 01:10:40 <Digitalfox> but never mind, i was only tring to find out if torrent's could use this kind of compression.. 01:11:11 <Gonozal_VIII> most files are compressed anyways 01:11:34 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-130-232.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:14:17 <Digitalfox> yes but not all.. 01:15:03 <Digitalfox> anyway time to sleep, work day tommorow.. 01:15:13 <Digitalfox> good night everyone.. :) 01:15:20 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-179-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:15:21 *** fjb [~frank@W852a.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 01:15:28 <fjb> Moin 01:17:07 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-161-253.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:17:14 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 01:21:01 <Greyscale> bed 01:21:10 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-151-10-69.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31:56 *** alphax [alphax@61.141.171.27] has joined #openttd 01:36:01 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75D34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:38:10 <alphax> test 01:38:44 <Gonozal_VIII> pong 01:39:08 <alphax> Hi! I have a souce code question - how to get the cargo name? 01:40:22 <glx> cargo types have a name field 01:40:44 <glx> this field is a StringID 01:41:02 <alphax> I am try to get the cargo name by following code: 01:41:17 <alphax> for (int i=0; i<NUM_CARGO; i++) 01:41:25 <alphax> { 01:41:25 <alphax> ... 01:41:32 <alphax> SetDParam(0, GetCargo(i)->name); 01:41:36 <alphax> GetString(buf, ?, lastof(buf)); 01:41:41 <alphax> } 01:41:53 <alphax> But, I dont known which string should be passed as 2'nd parameter for the GetString function. Can you tell me? 01:42:02 <Gonozal_VIII> why the loop? 01:42:12 <Gonozal_VIII> i = NUM_CARGO; ? 01:42:12 <glx> just use GetString(buf, GetCargo(i)->name, lastof(buf)) 01:42:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77229.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:57 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... 01:42:59 <Gonozal_VIII> sry^^ 01:44:48 <alphax> there are also something else in the loop which I am not listed 01:45:10 <alphax> OK 01:45:13 <alphax> thanks 01:47:48 *** Douglas [n_a@201-3-135-4.paemt705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [] 01:49:23 <alphax> Why the development team does not provide a more directly function like GetCargoName/GetTownName/GetStationName/GetVehName? 01:50:27 <alphax> Rather use GetString(buf, cargo->name, lastof(buf)); ? 01:55:14 <fjb> Hm, ist it possible to join arvs? I would like to make some longer trams. 02:05:28 <Belugas> alphax: one of the reasons is the lang that can change 02:05:55 <Belugas> plus, it serves no purpose to hold such a string regrading the logic of the system. 02:06:11 <Belugas> youcannot do anything with a string, other than display it 02:07:05 <Rafagd> Belugas: 02:07:09 <Rafagd> what about 02:08:19 <Rafagd> GetCargoName(type cargo) { return GetString(buf, cargo -> name, lastof(buf)); } 02:08:24 <Rafagd> or something like this? 02:09:28 <glx> why do you need cargo name? 02:10:08 <Rafagd> alphax: need 02:10:13 <Rafagd> alphax needs* 02:10:38 <Belugas> ok, then, why does alphax need cargo name? 02:10:40 <alphax> I am making a management plugin into opentd (my private modification) 02:10:52 <glx> fjb: no 02:11:34 <Belugas> alphax, cool, but it does not tell us why you still need it 02:11:46 <fjb> glx: Thanks. Is that feature on the todo list, or is it not considered useful? 02:12:26 <alphax> display the cargo name 02:13:13 <Belugas> then, what glx told you is the way to go 02:13:20 <Belugas> GetString(buf, GetCargo(i)->name, lastof(buf)) 02:14:12 <Rafagd> Belugas: he wants an alias function 02:14:16 <Rafagd> =] 02:14:17 <Belugas> that, or keep on using the "SetDParam(0, GetCargo(i)->name);-DawString system" 02:14:23 <Belugas> define alias? 02:14:46 <Rafagd> define can do this, but it's so... define... =\ 02:14:54 <Belugas> gaaaa... 02:15:07 <Belugas> please, tell me what ou mean by "alias" 02:15:24 <Rafagd> GetCargoName(type cargo) { return GetString(buf, cargo -> name, lastof(buf)); } 02:15:27 <Rafagd> something like this 02:15:30 <Rafagd> but 02:15:43 <glx> you need to manage the buffer 02:16:09 <Rafagd> this buf is the return string? 02:16:14 <glx> yes 02:16:36 <Rafagd> if it is, he should use this instead of spamming GetString on the code anyway 02:17:31 <glx> GetString is only used when needed 02:17:39 <alphax> Not only I want to call this function, maybe others also want to call this function, we all use a GetString(buf, cargo -> name, lastof(buf)); 02:18:01 <Rafagd> hm... 02:18:11 <glx> usually you just need to use DrawString 02:18:27 <Rafagd> i think i misunderstood what he wants... 02:18:48 <glx> I use GetString when I want to printf things 02:20:20 <alphax> I am "plugin" a delphi compiled dll into the openttd, because the window system used in the openttd is too difficlt to manipulate 02:20:30 <alphax> it just my private modification 02:20:57 <glx> window system is easy once you understand the logic behind it 02:21:35 <glx> but I agree it's not that easy 02:21:57 <Belugas> so within your own plugin wrapper, define the "alias" regarding the GetCArgoName you desire. would be enough 02:22:34 <alphax> I known 02:25:40 <glx> the hardest part in the window system is the window definition (the table) 02:25:48 <alphax> Yes 02:26:42 <glx> but once you understand how it works it's easy 02:30:50 <Belugas> but i fail to understand the realtion between the cargo name and the window system... true, we do not have your code to evaluate ;) 02:31:14 <Belugas> btw, i do understand delphi quite well, since it is my language at work 02:33:38 <alphax> I can not use Drawstring in the delphi form, so I am want a cargo name return from openttd, and display in delphi form. 02:34:10 <Rafagd> Belugas: i think he is trying to make some cargo management window... so he wants to print the name on the window 02:34:19 <alphax> yes 02:35:19 <alphax> Not just cargo, also station, traffic 02:37:28 <glx> will be easier to add a window in ottd ;) 02:37:51 <Belugas> ho... ok... so, basically, you want some kind of management system, but since you do not nderstand the window system of ottd, you prefer to add a dll support to it, do it in delphi and have all hte strings exportable as strings... 02:37:55 <Belugas> big job 02:38:06 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-204-242.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:22 <Belugas> glx is right, you should do it in ottd, a lot less headache 02:38:27 <glx> ottd uses strings only in display code 02:39:11 <glx> all the code uses StringID when doing "string" stuff internally 02:39:17 <Rafagd> and if you use delphi, i think it wont patch to linux 02:40:28 <glx> anyway it's time to sleep for me 02:40:32 <glx> good night all 02:40:40 <alphax> good night 02:41:26 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:41:27 <Belugas> night glx 02:41:31 <Belugas> ou[ps... 02:41:35 <Belugas> too late 02:43:19 <Rafagd> Belugas: give him "good night" when he join tomorrow... =\ 02:43:30 <Belugas> hehhe 02:43:51 <Belugas> as i know him, he will join at about the same time i will, so ;) 02:45:46 <fjb> Good night 02:45:48 *** fjb [~frank@W852a.w.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 02:45:49 <Rafagd> Belugas: maybe he is just a bot running in your pc =( 02:47:28 <alphax> hehe 02:47:32 <alphax> I want to working now, thanks for all help. Bye 02:47:36 <Belugas> very unlikely :) my irc client is on my work station at work 02:47:47 <Belugas> bye alphax, and good luck 02:47:48 *** alphax [alphax@61.141.171.27] has quit [] 02:48:07 <Belugas> i'm connected to it from home 02:48:17 <Belugas> so the ghost would be quite a network savvy one ;) 02:48:25 <Belugas> ghost/bot.. 02:50:27 <Rafagd> =o 02:50:43 <Rafagd> Belugas: then he may be your long lost evil twin! 02:51:42 <Belugas> lol 02:51:54 <Belugas> a good companion, that's for sure... 02:52:16 <Belugas> and on those notes, it is time for me to get to meet my bed 02:52:22 <Belugas> time to crash 02:52:23 <Belugas> bye 02:52:49 <Rafagd> bye 02:52:57 *** Rafagd [~kvirc@BHE200150043140.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:02:34 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C059.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:07:13 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C093.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:37 <DaleStan> Belugas: "0.6.0 (release) 0608000" EINSUFFICIENTDIGITS. 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Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 07:40:13 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:42:13 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:05:11 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 08:06:57 *** mucht_work [~martin@143.50.125.77] has joined #openttd 08:17:21 <Ammler> good morning 08:17:23 <Ammler> openttd: /home/ottdcoop/svn-public/src/town_map.h:168: bool IsHouseCompleted(TileIndex): Assertion `IsTileType(t, MP_HOUSE)' failed. 08:20:04 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-124-176-127-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20:27 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-124-176-127-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:22:37 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-69-114.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:25:37 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-124-176-127-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 08:26:33 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-124-176-127-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:26:50 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-124-176-127-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:27:36 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-124-176-127-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:29:51 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-124-176-127-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31:52 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-124-176-127-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:32:04 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-124-176-127-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:34:38 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-124-176-127-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:39:43 *** Markkisen [~shit@h13n2fls301o1036.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:14 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 08:42:28 *** xerxes [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 08:42:31 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@82.152.218.204] has joined #openttd 08:46:37 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:49:10 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.218.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:51:29 *** Ben_1 is now known as _Ben_ 08:59:49 *** dihedral [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 08:59:52 <dihedral> join 08:59:58 <dihedral> ed 08:59:59 <dihedral> :-) 09:03:38 <TrueBrain> very good, your first words 09:03:41 <TrueBrain> we are so proud at you 09:12:04 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-204-242.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12:12 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-204-242.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:12:18 <dihedral> lol 09:12:23 * dihedral greets Ammler 09:12:40 <dihedral> TrueBrain: would you be able to help me with this 'move clients to company' stuff? 09:12:50 <TrueBrain> who knows! 09:13:00 <dihedral> :-P 09:13:26 <dihedral> nobody else but you 09:13:35 <TrueBrain> good point you have there 09:13:44 <TrueBrain> and, if I may say so, an interesting one 09:14:00 <dihedral> you may 09:14:11 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-204-242.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:11 <TrueBrain> YES! 09:14:11 <TrueBrain> always wanted to do that 09:14:12 <TrueBrain> now I finally was allowed 09:14:14 * TrueBrain celebrates 09:14:24 <dihedral> :-P 09:14:26 * dihedral rofls 09:14:57 <dihedral> do i need to do a full PACKET_SERVER_<something> and PACKET_CLIENT_<something> ? 09:15:37 <dihedral> or am i going in the wrong direction there? 09:16:20 <TrueBrain> depends on what you want 09:16:30 <TrueBrain> do you want to be able to move a player mid-game? 09:17:02 <TrueBrain> or is it on-join only, that you want to force a company? 09:17:46 <dihedral> mid game 09:17:57 <dihedral> so it could also be used as 'penalty'... 09:18:05 <dihedral> moved to 255 for 5 mins or so :-P 09:18:14 <TrueBrain> hmm 09:18:19 <TrueBrain> would need a PACKET_CLIENT I guess 09:18:28 <dihedral> right 09:18:40 <dihedral> and a how to send, and how to receive 09:18:54 <TrueBrain> network_client.cpp :p 09:18:57 <TrueBrain> check an other packet 09:19:52 <dihedral> and why does NetworkUpdateClientInfo() not do the trick? 09:20:00 <TrueBrain> we had that talk 09:20:01 <dihedral> i though it sends the info to ALL clients 09:20:03 <TrueBrain> but feel free to try 09:20:18 <dihedral> no - just to understand why it does not work 09:20:34 <TrueBrain> ClientInfo doesn't do ANYTHING real in the game 09:20:34 <dihedral> ah - nvm 09:20:39 <TrueBrain> just a GUI stuff 09:20:42 <dihedral> heh 09:20:43 <dihedral> k 09:21:00 <TrueBrain> you need to alter _local_player 09:21:17 <dihedral> heh - that is good to know 09:21:37 <TrueBrain> (of course you ALSO need to send the ClientInfo update packet) 09:21:42 <TrueBrain> but that is for all the other clients 09:22:24 <dihedral> ah - so the actual client being moved gets the PACKET_CLIENT command 09:22:32 <dihedral> and only that client 09:22:35 <TrueBrain> yup 09:22:37 <TrueBrain> or find an other way 09:22:44 <dihedral> lol 09:23:58 <dihedral> thank you TrueBrain 09:25:41 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-204-242.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:25:50 * dihedral greets Ammler _again_ 09:25:53 <dihedral> :-P 09:26:05 <Ammler> good morning (again?) 09:26:28 <Ammler> uhm, have problems with my irc client 09:26:38 <dihedral> heh 09:26:50 <dihedral> i am at school - working on the company pw thing 09:27:04 <dihedral> and then i shall have a look at moving clients around 09:27:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82EDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:28:01 <Ammler> dihedral: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/WWOTTDGD1#Development_Roadmap 09:28:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:28:21 <dihedral> nice.... 09:29:07 <Ammler> just that we don't loose the goal with all the ideas etc... 09:29:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81918.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:29:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:29:34 <Ammler> hmm, please edit/add/delete... 09:30:03 *** MarkSlap [~shit@h13n2fls301o1036.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:32:25 <dihedral> just have :-) 09:32:28 <Gekz> I like rice. 09:32:37 <dihedral> good for you 09:32:39 <dihedral> eat some 09:33:05 <Gekz> I actually hate rice 09:33:08 <Gekz> I like pasta. 09:33:16 <Ammler> I like maionasse 09:33:34 <Gekz> mayonaise? 09:33:55 <Ammler> yes, its fine.. 09:34:05 <Gekz> lol 09:34:15 <Gekz> try to eat 5L of it 09:35:41 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:41:18 *** G_ [~njones@202.154.150.116] has joined #openttd 09:44:49 <dihedral> Ammler: 5 loeffel :-P 09:46:11 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:46:18 <Ammler> hehe, hmm Gekz, what does 5L mean? 09:46:43 <Gekz> 5 litres. 09:46:51 <Ammler> omg, that much :) 09:53:53 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-49.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:18:19 *** MarkSlap [~shit@h13n2fls301o1036.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 10:33:14 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-204-242.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:33:19 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-204-242.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 10:35:30 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-204-242.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:36 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-204-242.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 10:36:16 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-204-242.adslplus.ch] has quit [] 10:38:29 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-124-176-127-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:41:06 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-49.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:38 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-204-242.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 10:53:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F62F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:36 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 10:56:37 *** xerxes is now known as shodan 11:15:13 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-151-10-69.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:15:15 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-084-058-038-150.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:23:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F62F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:41 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 11:39:05 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.116] has joined #openttd 11:39:45 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-114-234.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:40:51 *** G_ [~njones@202.154.150.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:51 *** huma [~huma@89.19.167.191] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:44:29 *** Ammler is now known as Guest179 11:44:29 *** Ammller is now known as ammler 11:44:32 *** Guest179 [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-204-242.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:05 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:38 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:50:09 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 11:52:18 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:53:53 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54:52 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55:19 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:58:22 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 12:09:15 <dihedral> i can fetch and set _network_player_info[index].password 12:09:28 <dihedral> yet not _network_player_info[index].company_name 12:09:35 <dihedral> ? 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14:00:26 <Osai> whether the effect of watching the thumbnails in your blog is a plugin or a feature of wp2.3 14:00:39 <dihedral> plugin is called lightbox 14:00:48 <Osai> thx 14:00:55 <dihedral> ya welcome :-P 14:01:12 <dihedral> and the stuff that fetches live game data is OpenTTDLib :-) 14:01:57 <MiHaMeK> dihedral: what's your blog address :) 14:02:01 <MiHaMeK> dihedral: ? :) 14:02:20 <dihedral> http://openttd.dihedral.de 14:02:37 <MiHaMeK> danke :) 14:03:44 <Osai> dihedral: I had a look at OpenTTDLib 14:04:05 <ammler> Osai: take the dev version 14:04:13 <dihedral> :-) 14:04:29 <ammler> it has support for newgrfs too 14:04:46 <dihedral> i should find the time after wwottdgd to finish the documentation 14:04:57 <Osai> actually we use ottd_server_info 14:05:11 <dihedral> wich generates those images 14:05:36 <dihedral> i am going to include the image generation after the next release 14:06:22 <Osai> did you integrate the server info into the blog? 14:06:28 <Osai> I mean those pages 14:06:29 <dihedral> yep 14:06:32 <Osai> server details 14:06:40 <Osai> not the sidebar 14:07:05 <dihedral> http://openttd.dihedral.de/servers/wwottdgd/ 14:07:23 <dihedral> need to click on the server name 14:07:33 *** Guest205 [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: i have been replaced] 14:08:26 <dihedral> Osai: the grf's on that page are cached 14:08:55 <dihedral> basically OpenTTDLib checks in an xml file if the grf id and md5sum pair is stored in it.. 14:09:08 <dihedral> if yes, it takes the name from the xml file, if no, it will query the server 14:09:20 <Osai> and the server info in the sidebar is cached as well? 14:09:24 <dihedral> after querying the server, it updates the xml file 14:09:40 <dihedral> osai: the grf's are the only things cached 14:10:13 <dihedral> as grf id and md5sum pairs to the corresponding names will never change 14:10:22 <Osai> because we had some problems with live server data in the sidebar at the openttdcoop blog 14:10:38 <Osai> I wrote a seperate update/cache script 14:10:49 <Osai> separate* 14:10:50 <dihedral> there is no cache for that data 14:11:07 <Osai> because I took ages to connect and load data from the coop servers 14:11:20 <Osai> which meant in fact a website generation of more than 5 seconds 14:11:29 <dihedral> yes 14:11:36 <dihedral> if it takes that long, something aint rigt 14:11:39 <dihedral> *right 14:11:54 <Osai> therefor I cache the data now 14:12:11 <Osai> and update it every minute instead of every PI 14:12:15 <dihedral> the xml file has the structure to hold game data 14:12:22 <dihedral> though that has not been implemented 14:13:22 <Osai> OpenTTDLib looks really nice 14:13:28 <Osai> I like the server details 14:16:55 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:16:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 14:19:46 <Bjarni> greetings morons 14:20:46 <hylje> greetings idiot 14:20:53 * hylje bows 14:21:14 * dihedral slaps Bjarni 14:21:17 <dihedral> ops 14:21:20 <dihedral> sorry 14:21:34 <dihedral> morons dont understand who they may slap and who not... 14:21:35 * Bjarni notes the first person to reply to a message given only to morons 14:21:39 * dihedral slaps Bjarni 14:21:44 <dihedral> hmmm... i did it again 14:21:45 <dihedral> sorry 14:22:02 <Bjarni> in an ideal world nobody would have replied at all since there wouldn't be anybody to greet 14:22:17 <Osai> you sound depressed.... 14:22:21 * dihedral slaps Bjarni 14:22:34 <Bjarni> by replying you openly admit to be morons :P 14:22:48 <dihedral> no - i just enjoy having an excuse to be slapping you 14:22:50 * dihedral slaps Bjarni 14:23:00 * Bjarni slaps dihedral 14:23:05 <Bjarni> I bet you enjoy this 14:23:09 <Bjarni> I better stop 14:23:33 <Osai> dihedral: how do you integrate OpenTTDLib into a wp page? 14:23:50 <dihedral> i changed the templates 14:23:57 <dihedral> and added a custom template page 14:24:36 <dihedral> i edited the functions of the templates 14:24:42 <dihedral> added 2 functions 14:24:50 <dihedral> one that only gets info for the sidebar 14:24:56 <dihedral> and one that gets everything 14:25:03 <dihedral> for the detail pages 14:25:42 <dihedral> then i define an array in the sidebar and loop over that (array contains host:port) 14:25:59 <dihedral> calling the function in a try catch 14:26:21 <dihedral> for the detail pages i have a template file that will split the title of the page 14:26:31 <dihedral> so the title of a detail page is host:port 14:26:52 <dihedral> and based on that it will fetch the data and a javascript replaces the title of the page with the name of the server 14:29:04 *** SpaceCom [~myrka@213-35-214-118-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 14:29:06 *** SpaceCom is now known as myrka 14:29:13 <dihedral> Osai: you have a mac, right? 14:29:22 <Osai> yep 14:29:46 <dihedral> what ./configure arguments do you use for compiling ottd? 14:30:03 <dihedral> it always fails on mine with a midi issue 14:30:17 <Osai> which version do you have? 14:30:30 <Osai> os/cpu 14:30:52 <dihedral> 10.4 ppc g4 14:31:03 <Bjarni> the OSX port uses quicktime to play midi so midi issues from other platforms might not affect macs 14:31:07 <dihedral> the lovely 12" aluminum :-D 14:31:11 <Bjarni> hmm 14:31:20 <Bjarni> you are saying that you have midi issues on mac? 14:31:30 <dihedral> no - it complains when compiling 14:31:35 <Bjarni> why haven't I been told? 14:31:52 <Bjarni> I fixed a midi issue yesterday 14:32:07 <TrueBrain> ammler: I am glad you like it ;) 14:32:12 <Bjarni> well... I fixed an issue where it complained in the midi player, but the problem was somewhere else 14:32:15 <dihedral> Bjarni: 11333? 14:32:30 <Osai> hello TrueBrain :> 14:32:38 <dihedral> INT64_MAX' was not declared in this scope 14:32:44 <TrueBrain> howdie Osai 14:32:48 * dihedral greets TrueBrain 14:32:54 <hylje> :> 14:33:06 <Bjarni> I fixed it in 11325 14:33:16 <dihedral> well - this is 11333 14:33:25 <hylje> bjarnism 14:33:28 <Bjarni> then it's another issue 14:33:33 <dihedral> no - wait... 14:34:11 <dihedral> hmmm 14:34:25 <Phazorx> http://www.myimg.us/10.22.07/3398.png 14:34:27 <Phazorx> :( 14:34:44 <Phazorx> there are some building that have difference population costs when build/removed 14:34:44 <Bjarni> that's a small town 14:34:45 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: and, was the desert any useful? 14:34:53 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: have not tried it 14:34:56 <dihedral> LOL 14:34:56 <TrueBrain> :p 14:34:58 <Phazorx> dealing with this thing atm 14:35:07 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: that explains the negative values too, I guess 14:35:21 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: that explains how it get to be negatve 14:35:23 <Phazorx> but not why 14:35:25 <Bjarni> maybe the citizen smells and makes everybody else run away as fast as possible 14:35:32 <Bjarni> leaving empty houses behind 14:35:38 <Phazorx> Bjarni: that's england not belgium :) 14:35:58 <dihedral> ROFL 14:36:13 <Bjarni> maybe there is a new outbreak of myasma (or however you spell it) 14:36:25 <Bjarni> *miashma... 14:36:27 <Bjarni> something like that 14:36:32 <Phazorx> ahh... i know why 14:36:36 <Phazorx> new game was released recently 14:36:41 <Phazorx> hellbreak in london? 14:36:48 <Phazorx> or soemtihng like that... 14:37:00 <Phazorx> obviously they went a bit trigger happy there 14:37:13 <Phazorx> but anwyay... since this is relevant to #wwottdgd would be nice to know the cure 14:37:18 <Phazorx> since i tried resetting towns 14:37:29 <Phazorx> ut they grew these building again after some time 14:37:56 <Bjarni> well, they had a problem in London where they thought that the smell of.. well.. poop combined with the fog made people ill so they built a sewer system to get rid of the smell and everybody got well so they had proven that theory 14:37:56 <TrueBrain> I can't really find what causes it 14:38:10 <TrueBrain> I guess you have to ask Belugas or Maedhros or maybe Rubidium or glx :p 14:38:26 <Bjarni> they later learned that the real reason why they got well afterwards was because they started to protect their drinking water from becoming contaminated 14:38:47 <Bjarni> anyway before the solution was found, everybody left London if they could 14:38:52 <Bjarni> because people died 14:39:38 <Bjarni> dihedral: well... back to that midi issue... I can compile just fine in head revision. No midi issues 14:43:23 <dihedral> i'll give it a go 14:49:04 <Phazorx> http://www.myimg.us/10.22.07/3399.png 14:49:32 <Phazorx> is that one - default TTD building? 14:49:57 *** myrka [~myrka@213-35-214-118-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:49 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-137-110-146.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:04:39 <TrueBrain> pompiedom 15:06:57 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-151-10-69.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:07:01 <SpComb> du da du da du da 15:09:53 <dihedral> ich hier ich hier ich hier 15:10:03 <Osai> lol oO 15:10:32 <TrueBrain> I hate German 15:10:58 <dihedral> me here me here me here 15:14:51 <Phazorx> Osai did you get midi thing resolved? 15:15:04 <Osai> yeah 15:15:17 <Osai> works fine with r11333 15:16:45 <dihedral> yep - worked for me too this time round 15:16:48 <dihedral> thanks Bjarni 15:17:07 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-253-219.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: headingout] 15:22:31 * Phazorx pings Belugas or Maedhros or maybe Rubidium or glx 15:23:49 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 15:24:22 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: i get assert now when trying to join to #openttdcoop.dev server 15:24:55 <Phazorx> Vehicles: failed loading savegame: too many vehicles 15:24:57 <TrueBrain> poor Phazorx 15:25:05 <TrueBrain> are you all using the same patch? 15:25:09 <Phazorx> openttd.cpp:110 15:25:21 <Phazorx> unless you chnaged it between 3 and 4 AM today - yes 15:25:31 <Phazorx> cuz 1st i updated serevr then my client 15:25:38 <TrueBrain> no idea 15:25:42 <TrueBrain> will check later what can cause it 15:27:32 *** dan [~dan@natreg.pem.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:27:41 *** dan is now known as dasy2k1 15:28:07 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: really, the only thing I can think up, is that the savegame is of an older patch 15:29:06 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: i restarted the game 15:29:11 <Phazorx> and i played it before 15:29:31 <Phazorx> restarting meaning it is a new game with your v2.3 15:31:19 <Phazorx> probably is my bad 15:31:24 <Phazorx> i have way to many patched revisions 15:32:04 <dasy2k1> most of the time if you have loads of paches in its best to do a clean DL 15:32:16 <dasy2k1> then repach everything you want in again 15:34:42 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 15:35:08 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: it here all works just fine 15:35:13 <TrueBrain> (with ONLY my patch applied) 15:37:03 <TrueBrain> funny side-effect: you can enter depots of the global company ;) 15:37:11 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:40:34 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: as long as one can exit them is fine 15:40:37 <hylje> global company? 15:40:47 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: can uses use these depots tho? 15:40:56 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: no 15:41:12 <TrueBrain> they can only service in them 15:41:22 <Phazorx> interesting 15:48:13 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: a feature request 15:48:41 <Phazorx> company should be only stop/reverse/bypass signals on it's own tracks 15:49:19 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: then nobody can control them on global track, so I guess that is a bad idea 15:49:24 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:31 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 15:50:10 <Phazorx> very good idea 15:50:20 <Phazorx> if you can stop/reverse = jam 15:50:24 <Phazorx> skip signal = crash 15:50:36 <TrueBrain> but if something goes wrong on a junction, nobody can control it 15:50:48 <Phazorx> define something goes wrong on a junction ? 15:50:54 <TrueBrain> say a train gets stucked 15:51:04 <TrueBrain> you can't stop nor reverse such trains 15:51:09 <Phazorx> i'd really like to see that situation 15:51:21 <TrueBrain> if you played a bit coop, you should have seen plenty :) 15:51:28 <Phazorx> global company can deal with that with tracks 15:51:39 <Phazorx> i have seen stuck trains 15:51:45 <Phazorx> but i would not touch it to fix it 15:51:47 <Phazorx> only tracks 15:51:58 <TrueBrain> k, will see what I can do 15:52:22 <Phazorx> may be global should have some control? 15:52:39 <TrueBrain> would increase complexity with factor 2 to 3 15:53:08 <Phazorx> ugly 15:57:00 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: reload v2 15:57:36 <TrueBrain> non-global can't skip red, reverse, and something else I can't remember 15:57:36 <TrueBrain> hmm 15:58:03 <TrueBrain> ah, start/stop 15:58:14 <TrueBrain> when the owner of the train doesn't match the owner of the tile 15:58:23 <Phazorx> perfect 15:58:29 <Phazorx> that is save-safe ? 15:58:35 <TrueBrain> this most likely means you can't get your train out of a depot :p 15:58:36 <TrueBrain> 100% 15:58:50 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: elaborate on that plz ? 15:59:01 <TrueBrain> you can't start/stop when the tile isn't the same owner as the train 15:59:04 <TrueBrain> depots tend to have that 15:59:08 <Phazorx> (by save-safe i mean prior saves can be reloaded 15:59:15 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: yes 15:59:23 <TrueBrain> btw, it doesn't block on GUI 15:59:31 <TrueBrain> you get an error on pressing 15:59:48 <Phazorx> hmm... it says soemthing there tho ? 15:59:57 <TrueBrain> error :p 15:59:59 <Phazorx> i mean it is descriptive error 16:00:04 <TrueBrain> yes 16:00:07 <TrueBrain> let me fix the GUI 16:00:23 <Phazorx> hang on 16:00:30 <Phazorx> can depots be controled a bit ? 16:00:35 <TrueBrain> tricky 16:00:38 <Phazorx> it would be nice to be able to release your trains 16:00:46 <Phazorx> or they are gonna stay there captured forever 16:01:11 <Phazorx> i guess no depots for global fixes that ? 16:01:48 <TrueBrain> k, I can't disable it for GUI 16:01:51 <TrueBrain> so you just get an error :p 16:02:03 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: I think that is the only real fix ;) 16:02:29 <Phazorx> hmm... fancy 16:02:35 <TrueBrain> k, found a simple way 16:02:37 <TrueBrain> depots are usable 16:02:53 <Phazorx> what about cargo ownership at global stations? 16:03:03 <Phazorx> does cargo actualy have an owner? 16:03:22 <TrueBrain> nope 16:03:24 <TrueBrain> why should it? 16:03:29 <TrueBrain> it only has 'transfer' information, per owner 16:03:39 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@VPNPOOL01-0499.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 16:03:43 <Phazorx> i see 16:04:03 <Phazorx> i'm trying to figure out what actualy happens when A unloads cargo at globa sttaion 16:04:05 <Phazorx> with unload order 16:04:12 <Phazorx> and B want to pick it up 16:04:15 <TrueBrain> cargo is then owned by global 16:04:24 <Phazorx> can B get it ? 16:04:26 <TrueBrain> yes 16:04:34 <TrueBrain> and he 100% owns it 16:04:35 <Phazorx> what will be source to be payed for in that case? 16:04:50 <TrueBrain> from where A picked it up 16:04:55 <Phazorx> okay 16:05:02 <Phazorx> and if instead of unloading it trasnfers? 16:05:10 <TrueBrain> then everyone gets its share 16:05:16 <Phazorx> same origina but different transfer credit? 16:05:23 <TrueBrain> yup 16:05:33 <Phazorx> kewl 16:05:39 <TrueBrain> yup 16:05:48 <Phazorx> testing that :) 16:06:00 <TrueBrain> enjoy 16:06:35 <Phazorx> heh so depots will stay off limits ? 16:06:47 <TrueBrain> no, they are fixed 16:06:50 <TrueBrain> if I update my diff that is 16:07:02 <TrueBrain> reload it 16:07:07 <TrueBrain> you can start/stop in depots now 16:07:16 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A53AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:19 <skidd13> Hi 16:07:41 <TrueBrain> hi 16:08:16 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: perfect 16:08:28 <Phazorx> i guess it is a good idea to have signal right after depot 16:08:45 <TrueBrain> why? A depot has an internal signal 16:08:57 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C059.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:13 <Phazorx> but you can skip red as owner 16:09:15 <Phazorx> and crash 16:09:23 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C059.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:09:31 <TrueBrain> not in depots of global 16:09:33 <TrueBrain> you can only start/stop 16:09:36 <Phazorx> ahh 16:09:41 <Phazorx> in that case perfeoct 16:09:49 <Phazorx> i was thinking you still have all that functionality tied 16:10:03 <TrueBrain> try it out ;) 16:12:41 <Phazorx> well... any more features coming? 16:12:49 <TrueBrain> nope :p 16:13:04 <Phazorx> need a version bump then :) 16:13:15 <TrueBrain> what do you mean? 16:13:19 <Phazorx> v3 16:13:22 <TrueBrain> why? 16:13:30 <skidd13> Am I correct? UINT32_MAX == 0xFFFFFFFFU 16:13:43 <TrueBrain> skidd13: -1, yes :p 16:13:48 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: i kidna like idea of changes to be reflected in name 16:13:51 <Phazorx> so it is less confusing 16:14:03 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: oh, like that. I just bumped it when the savegame changed :) 16:14:11 <skidd13> TrueBrain: -1 ? 16:14:21 <Phazorx> there is a reason why it is r11337 and not v0.6beta 16:14:21 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: v3 is there 16:14:24 <Phazorx> thanks 16:14:35 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: you are 100% right :) 16:14:52 <TrueBrain> skidd13: (uint32)((int32)-1) = 0xFFFFFFFF 16:14:55 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@VPNPOOL01-0499.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:04 <TrueBrain> so, (uint32)-1 16:15:09 <TrueBrain> which is UINT32_MAX 16:15:20 <skidd13> Ok, thanks 16:15:41 <TrueBrain> (computers work with two-complement, where (byte)-1 is defined as 0xFF) 16:15:42 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:16:20 *** MarkSlap [~shit@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 16:16:32 <ammler> [18:16] <Phazorx> there is a reason why it is r11337 and not v0.6beta <-- hmm? 16:16:39 *** MarkMc [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 16:16:54 <ammler> :) 16:17:33 <ammler> glx / skidd13: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1361 16:17:56 <Phazorx> ammler: that's why there are dozens of querstions about your updated updates 16:18:05 <ammler> :) 16:18:06 <Phazorx> you change content w/o chaging name 16:18:16 <Phazorx> so people who already ahve it assume they have it 16:18:32 <glx> ammler: you didn't try to draw bigger flags? 16:18:40 <skidd13> TrueBrain: I'm thinking over the syncronisation of mersenne. As far as I can see the pointer needs mostly to be synced. Only if the pointer runs out of the array we need to sync the seed (of cause at beginning and at save too). 16:18:47 <ammler> glx: I can't draw 16:19:04 <skidd13> ammler: I prefer the one without the whites 16:19:05 <ammler> I tried to take the flags from famfamfam, but doesn't look nice 16:19:16 <ammler> ah, really 16:21:30 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 16:22:30 *** ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-114-234.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:24:28 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 16:29:03 *** KouDy_ [user@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 16:30:12 <TrueBrain> skidd13: remember you can't compare pointers, if that is what you mean 16:30:20 <TrueBrain> only content can be compared 16:33:15 *** nightstalker [~Alex@p5494EE2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:33:25 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:12 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 16:34:29 <skidd13> I meant the position of the pointer in the array. 16:34:35 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:35:40 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 16:36:00 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 16:36:38 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: works fine 16:37:07 <Phazorx> we already came up with a tactic if non global company trys to block SL with queue of traisn even 16:37:32 *** dasy2k1 [~dan@natreg.pem.cam.ac.uk] has left #openttd [this is all far to technical for me] 16:37:34 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:15 <Ammler> Phazorx: cache depot 16:41:51 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 16:42:00 <Ammler> or helping him to build his SL right :) 16:42:18 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 16:43:17 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43:54 <Ammler> It would also be fun, if every region has a kind of industry missing and would need to get it from an other... 16:44:26 <Ammler> !s/industry/cargo/ 16:45:14 <Phazorx> Ammler: capture depot 16:45:35 <Phazorx> Ammler: if you can disable industry spawning - can be done 16:45:37 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 16:45:46 <Phazorx> but that puts a lot more pressuire on global 16:45:56 <Phazorx> since they need to have global transport of everything 16:46:01 <Phazorx> good diea tho 16:46:08 <Phazorx> but with PBI - will be very challenging 16:48:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host180-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:48:14 <Kommer> yes, but you will need a lot of ppl in the global company then to provide everything 16:48:39 <hylje> hm? 16:48:42 <Kommer> or the global company will only supply connections between the regions, and only to the borders 16:49:12 <Phazorx> Kommer: that splits functionaliy of global then 16:49:20 <Phazorx> instead onf one unified network 16:49:22 <Phazorx> you get many 16:49:41 <Phazorx> as well as one big for goods/pax (prtobably later and based on ice/transrapids 16:49:51 <Phazorx> hylje: we are talkign about shared patch for #wwottdgd game 16:49:58 <hylje> subsidiary liek? 16:50:00 <Phazorx> shared global tracks 16:50:03 <Phazorx> kinda 16:50:07 <Phazorx> check #openttdcoop.dev 16:50:28 <Wolf01> hello 16:50:36 <Phazorx> hey Wolf01 16:50:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:50:50 <Phazorx> dihedral told me to ask you how grf thing going 17:03:33 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11338 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1359]: water tiles not at sealevel (i.e. canals) should not be owned by water as that signals normal water. 17:04:02 <Phazorx> Rubidium: got TTRs/houses questions 17:04:42 <Rubidium> nice for you ;) 17:04:58 <Phazorx> Rubidium: care to look at it? 17:05:08 <Phazorx> http://www.myimg.us/10.22.07/3399.png 17:05:37 <hylje> haha 17:05:48 <hylje> integer underflow 17:06:16 <Phazorx> yes... and building that have mroe citizen in then when you delete them than when you build them 17:07:40 <Phazorx> hylje: http://www.myimg.us/10.22.07/3398.png 17:07:59 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-216.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 17:08:00 <Phazorx> zombi city 17:08:15 <hylje> poor alive person 17:09:56 <Bjarni> I knew it 17:10:05 <Bjarni> city dwellers all act like zombies 17:11:00 <hylje> hence mass transit 17:13:34 <Ammler> not zombi, just children, that why there are more on demolishing... 17:14:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:14:25 <Ammler> plain realism.... :) 17:15:20 <Ammler> whats a "VolkszÀhlung" in english? 17:15:49 <Ammler> census? 17:16:02 <Ammler> is needed after demolishing a house... 17:16:12 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:20:01 *** gule [~Administr@tm.84.52.149.249.dc.cable.static.telemach.net] has left #openttd [] 17:24:54 *** mucht_work [~martin@143.50.125.77] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:26:34 *** sPooT [~spoot@e142085.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:27:12 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÌß] 17:52:49 * Phazorx pings TrueBrain 17:55:48 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.69.15] has joined #openttd 17:56:09 * TrueBrain hates pings without reason 17:57:37 <Phazorx> there are 2 reasons 17:57:42 <Phazorx> patch related 17:57:46 <Phazorx> 1st stopping takes time 17:57:58 <Phazorx> a player can stop a rtrain right before entering global tracks 17:58:06 <Phazorx> and it rolls in and stops in global 17:58:10 <Phazorx> so it can not be started again 17:58:31 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A53AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:58:48 <Phazorx> reason number relevant as well, a player can ignore 1st signal on global track 17:58:50 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: told you it wasn't a good idea ;) 17:59:20 <TrueBrain> it indeed can, the ignore penalty works for N ticks 17:59:23 <Phazorx> yeah well stopping trains on not owned tracks is still not a really good thing 17:59:30 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-137-110-146.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:30 <TrueBrain> the latter is unfixable for Saturday 17:59:33 <TrueBrain> the other I can fix 17:59:48 <Phazorx> signals can be dealt with if i put 2 of them 18:00:06 <Phazorx> so 2 signals on entry makes it more fool proof 18:00:21 <TrueBrain> or place the signal not on the first, but on the second tile 18:00:23 <TrueBrain> problem solved too 18:00:33 <Ammler> there is no reason for forbid trains to start on global track, is there? 18:00:41 <TrueBrain> Ammler: exactly that I just changed 18:00:44 <TrueBrain> starting can, stopping can't 18:00:47 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-253-219.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:59 <dihedral> heya 18:01:03 <TrueBrain> oh, it is him again 18:01:07 <TrueBrain> :p :p 18:01:46 <dihedral> i really like your patch 18:01:53 <TrueBrain> that makes me happy :) 18:01:54 <dihedral> but it desyncs 18:01:59 <TrueBrain> that doesn't :p 18:02:06 <dihedral> :-P 18:02:14 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: v4 is up, fixed the start/stop problem 18:02:15 <dihedral> when i stop a train in a shared block 18:02:31 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: let us find more issues 1st :) 18:02:41 <Phazorx> thansk tho 18:02:53 <dihedral> TrueBrain: could you disable the 'ignore signal' button for train on shared tracks? 18:03:02 <TrueBrain> dihedral: you were telling me about the desync 18:03:09 <dihedral> yes 18:03:10 <TrueBrain> and you were very unclear, I was hoping you continued 18:03:14 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: he cant compile really on his mac 18:03:20 <dihedral> it's fine 18:03:22 <dihedral> it workes 18:03:27 <Phazorx> for 10 second 18:03:37 <TrueBrain> really, this discusion isn't really clear 18:03:44 <dihedral> when i stop a train 18:03:46 <dihedral> my train 18:03:54 <dihedral> in Phazorx station 18:04:10 <Phazorx> that is "global" station 18:04:11 <dihedral> _my_ train in _Phazorx_ station 18:04:20 <TrueBrain> dihedral: I read you the first time 18:04:44 <dihedral> just being _clear_ :-D 18:04:53 <dihedral> my client will desync 18:04:59 <Phazorx> and only his 18:05:00 <TrueBrain> and if you continue talking this slow, I just go and do my other work 18:05:06 <Phazorx> if Kommer does same he does not 18:05:10 <dihedral> actually my client in my company, and my other client as spectator 18:05:11 <TrueBrain> dihedral: can you stop your train on normal rail? 18:05:14 <dihedral> both desync at the same time 18:05:24 <TrueBrain> (shared normal rail) 18:05:31 <dihedral> i'll give that a try 18:07:38 <dihedral> that desyncs me too 18:07:46 <dihedral> but it takes a few seconds 18:07:53 <TrueBrain> okay, how am I going to put this nicely... 18:08:05 <dihedral> :-S 18:08:07 <TrueBrain> please, go away, and don't come back with any more 'bug' reports, until you all use the same patch version 18:08:11 <TrueBrain> this is just wasting my time :p 18:08:43 <dihedral> sorry - only knew of the one 18:08:57 <TrueBrain> yeah, no problem, but it is annoying :p 18:09:05 <TrueBrain> you just don't have v3 loaded :p 18:09:06 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you better change some stuff in rev.cpp.in each patch ;) 18:09:18 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yeah, I guess... I was in the assumption they were clever enough ;) 18:09:19 <TrueBrain> hehe 18:09:36 <TrueBrain> but okay, that truly is my mistake, to think it would be that easy to use the same patch version. It simply isn't, not even for me :) 18:09:53 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: maybe compile the server with a postfix of the patch-version 18:09:55 <TrueBrain> dunno 18:10:26 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: he just failed to read the topic in channel 18:10:39 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: topics aren't the best reference :) 18:10:45 <Rubidium> Phazorx: people always fail to read what they should read 18:11:14 <TrueBrain> I myself complained (a lot) about the unreadability of wwottdgd, so I can understand dihedral makes this mistake :) 18:11:48 <dihedral> yes 18:11:50 <dihedral> thanks 18:12:06 <Phazorx> we'll get to single binarey and single GRF pack when we have all ingridients 18:12:14 <dihedral> anyhow - i may manytimes learn that assumptions are BAD 18:12:38 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: I will make a openttd.org news post by that time :p 18:12:39 <dihedral> and TrueBrain - i never mean to annoy you :-P 18:12:41 <TrueBrain> no way any sooner :) 18:12:50 <Ammler> hmm, maybe we could pack the grfs also in the ottd build? 18:12:54 <TrueBrain> dihedral: I know I know :) I just wanted it to sound a bit melodramatic ;) 18:13:03 <dihedral> lol 18:13:07 <TrueBrain> Ammler: the compile-farm allows such actions 18:13:32 <TrueBrain> (the MiniIN worked via patches and addition grf-files before it was in SVN) 18:16:22 *** qkr [~qkr@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe18fa00-70.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:16:25 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:16:31 <qkr> hi all 18:16:37 <TrueBrain> hi qkr 18:17:17 <qkr> so I want to add a new setting to the patches section, what all files I need to edit? 18:17:28 <dihedral> TrueBrain: did you hear back from the guy who wanted to do a road ai? 18:17:37 <TrueBrain> qkr: pick a random other patch entry, and search the code 18:17:43 <TrueBrain> then it is just a matter of following the white rabbit 18:17:50 * dihedral was thinking the same 18:17:50 <TrueBrain> dihedral: of course not :p 18:17:54 <dihedral> lol 18:18:07 <qkr> like say "ai_disable_veh_train" and search that? 18:18:14 <TrueBrain> qkr: as good as any other 18:18:53 <dihedral> of course one had to pick the longest one available 18:19:03 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-24-57.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:19:25 <Phazorx> this will be very sad if for #wwottdgd we'll have towns with negative population :( 18:19:34 <Wolf01> oh, time to sell 50 vehicles with one click 18:20:04 <Wolf01> ... 18:20:11 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: a bit weird bug, if you ask me 18:20:42 <qkr> the AI is a bit weak in openttd so as a "fix" I'm gonna add a patch to allow setting modifier for AI vehicle price, like say 80% 18:21:08 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: tell me about it :| 18:21:17 <Ammler> but that is a known one, I remeber to see that some time ago... 18:21:45 <Ammler> Phazorx: did you check bugs.openttd.org? 18:22:04 <Phazorx> Ammler: for? 18:22:20 <Ammler> this underflow thing 18:22:29 <Phazorx> i dont ever recall us hitting any issues like that 18:22:38 <Phazorx> with ttrs and many towns we had in many coop games 18:22:39 <dihedral> Wolf01: how's your sprites coming along? 18:23:05 <Wolf01> you can see the last state in the topic :P 18:23:29 <Phazorx> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1335 18:23:31 <Phazorx> Ammler: 18:23:52 <qkr> will it break anything if I edit the patches file? like compability with the settings file 18:24:02 <qkr> edit the patches struct I mean 18:24:07 <Phazorx> this is not ChrisIN bug apparently 18:27:02 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: can you make a test-case, with the exact grf causing it, and on a 64x64 map? 18:27:42 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: no idea how to reproduce it realyably? 18:27:47 <Phazorx> it is TTRS most liekly 18:27:56 <TrueBrain> 64x64 map, and do like you did on the image 18:27:58 <Phazorx> since as can be seen on my screenshot 18:28:01 <TrueBrain> grow a town, and kill certain buildings 18:28:13 <Phazorx> problem is caused by removal of non ttrs buildings 18:28:24 <Phazorx> but, i use ttrs 0 5 18:28:33 <Phazorx> which means no default buildings 18:28:51 <Phazorx> i have a hinch though 18:29:00 <Phazorx> my map started one day before 1920 18:29:14 <Phazorx> ttrs may not have buildings for before time 18:29:29 <dihedral> i think it does, does it not? 18:29:43 <Ammler> Error: Vehicles: failed loading savegame: too many vehicles 18:29:43 <Ammler> openttd: /home/ottdcoop/svn-devserver/src/openttd.cpp:110: void error(const char 18:29:43 <Ammler> *, ...): Assertion `0' failed. 18:29:44 <TrueBrain> find it out, and report that ;) 18:30:16 <Phazorx> dihedral: ttrs era starts at 1920 18:30:31 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: i will if 1335 gets reopen 18:30:34 <Phazorx> so i can comment there 18:30:37 <Phazorx> and post screens/saves 18:30:49 <TrueBrain> you know, make a new bug-report :p 18:30:53 <dihedral> Phazorx: well - then, that answers my question :-) 18:30:56 <TrueBrain> the summary sucks :p 18:31:06 <Phazorx> ahh cmon 18:37:19 <dihedral> TrueBrain: what if i stop a train on _my_ tracks, with enough waggons attatched to the train, so they reach into the _global_ tracks? 18:37:28 <TrueBrain> dihedral: ask Phazorx :) 18:37:52 <Wolf01> i can't understand one thing: i have 4 vehicles always stopped for loading at a coal mine, the power plant is 20 tiles away, so a vehicle should not take so much for the travel (always less than a month)... the production is low, 72 with 66% transported... why? 18:37:55 <dihedral> just thought perhaps you could add that check , as it's possible 18:38:00 <Phazorx> dihedral: nothing really 18:38:04 <Phazorx> if you create a pileup 18:38:11 <dihedral> it truns the signals red 18:38:18 <Phazorx> i'll remove one of global signals between your trains 18:38:23 <Phazorx> so they will all go into depot 18:38:28 <Phazorx> and you will HAVE to sel them 18:38:40 <Phazorx> that is a form of punishment for doing soemthing stoopid liek that 18:38:56 <Phazorx> btw 18:39:03 <Phazorx> i'll set a rul for global company 18:39:08 <Phazorx> to make dedicated hubs per company 18:39:19 <Phazorx> so you can only mess up your own SL and trains 18:39:21 <dihedral> just did not want it to go 'unthought of' 18:39:27 <Phazorx> i thought of that' 18:39:32 <dihedral> :-P 18:39:33 <Phazorx> and made a test for kommer :) 18:39:46 <Wolf01> Rubidium, vehicle still get value of 0 also when renewed ;_; 18:43:28 <Kommer> I have a 'bug' for the shared tracks patch 18:43:35 <Kommer> well. not 'for'. i found one 18:44:00 <Kommer> When a non-global train never leaves the global network, he never pays anything for the usage of the network 18:44:21 <TrueBrain> not a bug, but by-design 18:44:24 <hylje> hug 18:44:37 <TrueBrain> as for wwottdgd, that behavoir is fine 18:44:59 <Kommer> yes ok, but it is exploitable :) 18:46:11 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 18:46:46 *** Hendikins is now known as Hendikins|Work 18:47:15 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:47:32 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-253-219.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007100816]] 18:48:16 *** nightstalker [~Alex@p5494EE2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nightstalkers Don't Quit.] 18:48:40 <Phazorx> Kommer: it is also preventable 18:49:01 <Phazorx> actualy let me verify that 18:49:17 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: can global WPs be targeted by other companies? 18:49:25 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: don't think so 18:49:37 <TrueBrain> I hate waypoints, so I never tested them :p 18:49:49 <Kommer> lol 18:49:50 <Phazorx> Kommer: in that case i put a WP on a way "global only" station 18:49:56 <Phazorx> and make that route undesirable 18:50:04 *** Brandinger [ano@brln-d9b814e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:09 <Phazorx> actualy 18:50:09 <Kommer> well ok, but other companies can target the station itself 18:50:09 <Brandinger> hi 18:50:11 <Phazorx> that will not work 18:50:17 <Phazorx> hang on 18:50:19 <Phazorx> yyou are right 18:50:25 <Kommer> :) 18:50:34 <Phazorx> unless it is on separated network 18:50:37 <Kommer> so the global company just shouldnt have any stations 18:50:39 <Kommer> ty 18:50:45 <Kommer> euh, yes I agree 18:50:54 <Phazorx> it should have only one kind of stations 18:50:59 <Phazorx> such as terminals 18:51:06 <Phazorx> and not have any pickups 18:51:18 <Phazorx> so you can only drop at global stations 18:51:30 <Kommer> well. you need to pickup stuff there also.. 18:52:13 <Kommer> so maybe the global company just should only facilitate a global network and nothing more. 18:52:40 <Phazorx> Kommer: you build your pickup if you need to pickup 18:54:11 <Phazorx> pickups are more tricking sicne they need waiting room and such 18:54:18 <Phazorx> so it better be out of globals hands 18:54:47 <Brandinger> i've got a little question: is it possible to automatically let trains loading in a station leave, when a parallel train arrives? so that not two trains load the same units and block the station? 18:55:08 <Phazorx> Brandinger: sounds like you have a layout issue 18:55:36 <Phazorx> but you can have trains leave when another enters if you use timetables and calculate presizely the schedule that does it 18:55:39 <Bjarni> Brandinger: yes if you place the signals correctly 18:56:16 <Bjarni> oh now I get what you mean.... make the train load until another one arrive so only one will be present at any time 18:56:18 <Bjarni> hmm 18:56:20 <Brandinger> i think my signaling is quite good. but when i decide to use one more train because production rose 18:56:25 <Brandinger> yes 18:56:43 <Brandinger> or make the station serve the trains by the order of ther arrival and not justice :) 18:56:46 <Bjarni> maybe schedules can help you, but they will not do precisely what you ask for 18:58:15 <Brandinger> be back in a second... 18:59:44 <Phazorx> Brandinger: proper way is having only as many platforms as many trains need to be loading to deal with production 18:59:51 <Phazorx> also you might want to toggle improved loading 19:00:07 <Phazorx> so only one train gets cargo if there is less cargo than room for it on one train 19:00:44 *** qkr [~qkr@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe18fa00-70.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:00:55 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:59 *** KouDy_ [user@85.207.64.178] has left #openttd [] 19:02:00 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 19:02:04 *** Brandinger2 [ano@c-180-164-42.b.dial.de.ignite.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:08 <Brandinger2> re 19:05:36 <Brandinger2> yes the situation would be, that i transport units from a to b with 2 train (shared orders). now production rises, i duplicate a third train. since the train could load more than the new overproduction the constant in-and-out of the trains gets irregulary (due to full load). a short while later i have three trains loading in the station, one nearly full, one have full and one nearly empty. 19:06:20 *** Brandinger [ano@brln-d9b814e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:28 <Rubidium> enable improved loading; makes them load in a fifo manner instead of gigo 19:06:38 <Rubidium> or firo 19:06:41 <Brandinger2> it would not be a problem if the station gives the units only to the earliest arriver till he is full. 19:06:44 <Brandinger2> aha 19:06:55 <Brandinger2> is that a option? 19:07:05 <Rubidium> somewhere in the patches under stations IIRC 19:07:31 <Brandinger2> cool! :D i'll try that 19:07:34 <Prof_Frink> Brandinger2: And if there's enough cargo to fill two trains? 19:07:38 <Rubidium> though when you're playing with a stable (i.e. 0.5.3) improved loading and gradual loading do not play together 19:07:47 <Brandinger2> hm 19:07:53 <Brandinger2> i have stable 19:08:10 <Rubidium> well... it works, but it's getting slow with a lot of vehicles 19:08:29 <glx> better to don't mix these settings 19:08:32 <Brandinger2> k 19:11:47 <Wolf01> eeek i found some thiefs on a station 19:12:09 <Bjarni> o_O 19:12:14 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11339 /trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): -Add: autoroad; same as autorail, but for road and trams and only on X and Y direction. Patch by Octopussy and skidd13. 19:12:19 <Bjarni> who would want to steal a station? 19:12:32 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 19:12:40 <Wolf01> no, somebody stole the 3% of a transferred cargo 19:12:43 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: Huzzah! 19:13:10 <Bjarni> you mean in real life? 19:13:29 <Bjarni> or some bug report? 19:13:30 <Wolf01> do you measure cargo in % in real life? 19:13:41 <Bjarni> sometimes I do 19:13:58 <Brandinger2> ^^ 19:14:05 <Wolf01> i always thought that transferred cargo don't disappear when left in a station 19:14:14 <Bjarni> ahh like that 19:14:21 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: 5% is usually about right. 19:14:32 *** pecisk [~pecisk@78.84.139.234] has joined #openttd 19:17:34 *** Benbo [~Benbo@81-86-123-93.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 19:17:56 *** Benbo [~Benbo@81-86-123-93.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [] 19:19:18 <Brandinger2> hm .. probably people ask you that every day, but is there a way to upgrade you tracks automatically without rebuilding everything? 19:19:42 <Prof_Frink> track upgrade tool? 19:19:43 <Wolf01> there is a tool in every rail toolbar 19:20:01 <Brandinger2> ups, yes? 19:20:01 <Prof_Frink> But no, there's no equivalent to cht:tracks 19:20:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:20:37 <Brandinger2> ok, stupid me. found it :) 19:20:56 <Brandinger2> its not automatic but still very useful ^^ 19:21:27 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-68-26.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:28 <Prof_Frink> The main annoyance is the inability to upgrade depots with trains in 19:21:29 * Wolf01 http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/howto_improve.PNG 19:21:29 <Wolf01> any chance to improve it? 19:22:34 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 19:23:07 <Brandinger2> ok, thanks again for your help. i'm off. 19:23:32 *** Brandinger2 [ano@c-180-164-42.b.dial.de.ignite.net] has quit [Quit: Brandinger2] 19:25:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:27:30 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-68-26.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:22 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:39 *** dyron [~dyron@p57ACEA13.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:40 <dyron> Hi, can i change the starting date after i start it? 19:33:02 <blathijs> You want to change the current date? 19:33:16 <Bjarni> only in the cheat menu, but then you will be marked as cheater 19:33:17 <dyron> I started at 1900, but can't build anything besides streets :/ 19:33:35 <blathijs> why not just restart? 19:33:39 <Bjarni> :P 19:34:00 <dyron> Because i like the generated map... 19:34:15 <blathijs> hmm, good point :-) 19:34:25 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:34:25 <hylje> dyron: i think TGP keeps the old seed around 19:34:39 <Bjarni> disable full animation and resize the screen to something very small 19:34:44 <Bjarni> and fast forward for a while 19:35:16 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788D9.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:35:56 <dyron> Whatever.. i start again. Thanks for the info :) 19:39:30 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: station thingie carried over to airports and bus/tram and probably ports 19:39:41 <Phazorx> with only difference that airpots can not be landed at 19:39:48 <Phazorx> hence the question 19:40:09 <Phazorx> can we make global company to be the only one able to build airports and all companies be able to use them ? 19:40:48 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: sure 19:40:55 <Phazorx> v5? 19:41:04 <Phazorx> not sure about ports tho 19:41:15 <Phazorx> also, can there be a way to make "dedicated global" stations ? 19:41:29 <Phazorx> or that is complex thorugh the roof 19:41:43 <Phazorx> perhaps a name hack? 19:42:03 <TrueBrain> might be best ;) 19:42:03 <Phazorx> like only stations that are named in certain way are avaiable? 19:42:10 <TrueBrain> as policy 19:42:15 <TrueBrain> code-forcing that is harder 19:42:22 <TrueBrain> but I would make a 100% seperate lines for shared usage 19:42:43 <Phazorx> well, unified network for all is very nice idea 19:42:50 <TrueBrain> so, BuildAirport should only be available for company 0? 19:42:55 <Phazorx> only stations separated would be nice 19:42:58 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: correct 19:43:30 <Phazorx> and stations - we dont want third party company vehciles using shared tracks between global stations and never leaving them to pay 19:43:48 <Phazorx> hence segregating some station not to be usable to other companies can prevent that 19:45:01 <Phazorx> name hack can be don ast stistr on first characters 19:45:12 <Phazorx> such as " GLOBAL" 19:45:41 <Phazorx> space folowed by capsed GLOBAL is selectable 19:45:51 <Phazorx> other stations can not be targeted 19:45:58 <Phazorx> sounds like a case of adding an if there 19:47:28 <Belugas> " GLOBAL" seems like a very bad scheme... why not add a bool to the struct? seems to be a lot safer and cleaner 19:47:43 <TrueBrain> Belugas: this is kind of on an other level ;) 19:48:12 <Belugas> ho... like... the thell i'm talking aout.... like... i should go back to work ASAP 19:48:16 * Belugas runs away 19:48:21 <TrueBrain> :) 19:48:23 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 19:50:35 <TrueBrain> I love segfaults :) 19:54:15 <Ammler> TrueBrain: will this patch ever go to trunk? :) 19:54:21 <TrueBrain> Ammler: no way 19:55:57 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 19:56:00 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:56:58 <TrueBrain> I have difficulties telling OpenTTD what I want it to do 19:57:01 <Wolf01> is nice to see how the old ai abuses of the new bridges feature 19:57:15 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: anyway, my idea was to not allow other companies to pass waypoints of the global 19:57:18 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788D9.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:00:54 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:33 *** pecisk [~pecisk@78.84.139.234] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:03:21 <TrueBrain> @base 16 10 13cccf 20:03:21 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 1297615 20:03:37 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl51B788D9.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:01 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: lol, trains don't pick a direction on global junctions.. or at leasT: not here in the situation I ahve :p 20:09:07 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-69-114.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 20:11:08 *** qkr [~qkr@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe18fa00-70.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:11:18 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 20:11:32 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: I am suprised you didn't notice this bug yet... 20:11:35 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 20:13:48 <qkr> what's the best place to add a modifier for vehicle's price? 20:15:48 *** LN- [lauri@ksenos.fi] has joined #openttd 20:16:22 * LN- Ú arrivato volver di channel de la openttd. 20:16:47 <Prof_Frink> ln-'s been capitalised! 20:17:31 <LN-> Prof_Frink: the caps lock day, and besides too many people think my nick is "In". 20:17:50 <TrueBrain> who btw thought up this idiot 'capslock' day? 20:18:28 <LN-> i vote for sacro or bjarni 20:19:33 <Prof_Frink> See, I'm obeying Capslock Day and making good use of Shift. 20:19:47 <TrueBrain> ARGH! 20:19:54 <TrueBrain> I forgot that a train without orders always goes straight 20:19:55 <TrueBrain> grrr 20:20:00 <TrueBrain> took me 20 minutes to figure that out :( 20:20:09 <qkr> no-one can help me? 20:20:48 <Belugas> qkr, what do you mean? 20:21:00 <Belugas> what is a modifier, for you? 20:21:11 <qkr> a multiplier that I added to patches 20:21:17 <Belugas> have you heard of grfs? 20:21:25 <qkr> no 20:21:48 <Belugas> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0 20:22:05 <Belugas> you can change a vehicle's property quite easily this way 20:22:11 <Belugas> well... easily... 20:22:26 <Belugas> given that you are good enough to make it all up :) 20:22:30 *** michi_cc [be4e8d457e@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 20:22:30 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: v5 is up, 2 things changes: Global Waypoints are NOT accessable by any other player but the global company, and other companies can't build airports 20:22:45 <Ammler> qkr: made something simular for planes: http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Airmod.grf 20:22:50 <Belugas> like, reading and understanding the concepts of the nfo 20:22:53 <TrueBrain> so use waypoints to disallow access 20:23:19 <Rubidium> Belugas: only one issue... it doesn't allow for different costs between AIs and non-AIs 20:23:24 <TrueBrain> now I have to unlock the option to build airplanes I guess ;) 20:23:25 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: how exactly it will disallow acces? 20:23:38 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: waypoints are not accessable 20:23:39 <Phazorx> and can other companiy planes land at global airports? 20:23:50 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: but station behind them can be selected? 20:23:52 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: dunno :p But they can't buy airplanes ;) 20:23:57 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: yes 20:24:00 <TrueBrain> but it can't get there, so... 20:24:04 <qkr> I don't know how these grf files work, but I'm looking for a solution that I could change in the code... 20:24:22 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: err... that wasnt quite the idea... i kinda suggested usable global airports, where other companies can do thing 20:24:32 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: really?! :p 20:24:33 <Rubidium> qkr: "easiest" way to let an AI pay less for (basically) everything would be modifying SubstractMoneyFromPlayer (or something names like that) 20:24:42 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: I understood, but I just noticed that they can't yet :p 20:24:42 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: you didnt like name hack idea i take it ? 20:24:47 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: tricky and slow 20:25:15 <Phazorx> is there more than just one iff statetemnt when at sekection stage? 20:25:26 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: strings are stored a bit magicly :) 20:25:36 <TrueBrain> and personally I like this solution more ;) 20:25:40 <Phazorx> it alawys comes down to bytes and them being compared 20:25:54 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: well it is a bit hackish i guess 20:25:59 <Phazorx> since WPs arent the best tactic 20:26:04 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:26:04 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: it is more clear :) 20:26:04 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:12 <Phazorx> requires stations have entries only one lane wide 20:26:23 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: why? Put them next to eachother 20:26:40 <Phazorx> but dont route trains through them explicitly? 20:26:48 <TrueBrain> no need 20:26:49 <Phazorx> so they ownly act as blockers for other trains 20:26:54 <TrueBrain> yes 20:26:56 <TrueBrain> that is the idea 20:26:57 <Phazorx> and these trasins have achance of getting stuck there? 20:27:08 <TrueBrain> explain? 20:27:18 <Phazorx> say there is a road work ahead or a jam 20:27:30 <Phazorx> and yapf desides that routing thorugh station is a godoe idea 20:27:38 <TrueBrain> it can't route past waypoints 20:27:39 <Phazorx> so these trins will get to tile right before the WP 20:27:40 <Belugas> Rubidium, how do you see a difference of cost between ai and non? Why should there be one? Just asking 20:27:41 <TrueBrain> no exceptions 20:27:54 <TrueBrain> (YAPF things the rail ends there) 20:28:08 <Phazorx> yapf ebhavses a bit weird whet it comes to "no route where i want to go" 20:28:09 <TrueBrain> it doesn't even detect it as WP 20:28:13 <Phazorx> and players still can selectr that station 20:28:16 <Rubidium> Belugas: that's whar qkr is trying to do 20:28:28 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: this is what I can do for you :) I still suggest to name stations like you said 20:28:30 <TrueBrain> and make it a policy 20:28:46 <Phazorx> policy will be there for sure 20:28:46 <Ammler> TrueBrain: I would trash the no airport building thing... 20:28:51 <Phazorx> but not really enforced it seems 20:28:55 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: for next time, I suggest to make a long long long long list with those things, and I am sure I can cook something better :) 20:29:00 <Belugas> haaa... 20:29:13 <TrueBrain> then I might even have time to make nice GUI thingies for it :) 20:29:17 <qkr> rubidium: thanks for the tip, I'm looking for a slightly better solution where you will actually see the modified price in the "buy vehicle" screen etc 20:29:17 <TrueBrain> and do what Belugas suggested ;) 20:29:23 <TrueBrain> Ammler: why 20:29:23 <TrueBrain> ? 20:29:24 <Belugas> well... the question remains the same... why having two kind of cost ?? 20:29:26 <Ammler> and just allow airplanes to land on global airports 20:29:35 <TrueBrain> Ammler: that already should be possible :) 20:29:52 <TrueBrain> Ammler: all I now need to do, is unlock the option to build airplanes at the global hanger 20:30:23 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: that would be great 20:30:30 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 20:30:36 <Phazorx> Ammler: what do you think about global only stations and WPs ? 20:30:45 <Ammler> if that doesn't work, we make a simple rule for guys 20:32:02 <Ammler> I don't get for what you like to use a global only station 20:32:09 <Ammler> I like the WP thing better 20:32:18 <Ammler> so you could make something like a transfer 20:32:50 <Bjarni> <TrueBrain> who btw thought up this idiot 'capslock' day? 20:32:50 <Bjarni> <LN-> i vote for sacro or bjarni <-- no I didn't 20:32:53 <Ammler> hmmm 20:32:58 <Bjarni> besides my nick is Bjarni, not bjarni 20:33:17 <Phazorx> Ammler: only global stations will permit having some trains at choice of global company moving goods by global company only 20:33:36 <Phazorx> not having global stations permits having "always on shared" trains of any other company 20:33:46 <Phazorx> that never leave these tracks and hence never pay 20:34:03 <Phazorx> say we make steel transfer 20:34:08 <Ammler> yep but that wouldn't work with global stations 20:34:09 <Phazorx> between spain and poland 20:34:20 <Phazorx> so steel goes 1000 tiles all way accross europe 20:34:40 <Phazorx> iberia company delivers steel to terminal from somewhere on their territory 20:34:49 <Phazorx> golbal train takes it to poland and transfers there 20:34:55 <Ammler> anyway, you can do that with wps too 20:35:01 <Phazorx> and the baltic company trains do final delivery of steel there 20:35:10 <Phazorx> well yes 20:35:20 <Ammler> so you can use it for both 20:35:28 <Phazorx> but with WPs you do not stop iberia compnay train targetiing warsaw steel terminal 20:35:33 <Phazorx> even though it can never get there 20:35:38 <Bjarni> Phazorx: what is the avg speed of that train though Europe? 20:35:41 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: they will notice sooner or later 20:35:43 <Bjarni> 16 km/h like in real life? 20:35:49 <Phazorx> so these trains can floood gkllobal net and always will be stuck soemwhere there 20:36:02 <Phazorx> Bjarni: probably a bit faster 20:36:09 <Ammler> hmm, not much 20:36:25 <Ammler> they need more then a year to get from one to an other end 20:36:27 * Bjarni considers all the mandatory stops insane 20:36:36 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: noticing 500 random trains poluting global net is not soemthing where i'd like to get 20:36:42 <Bjarni> rails can never complete with lorries if they go that slow 20:36:45 <LN-> someone had better fix it then 20:36:51 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: I doubt anyone will do it anyway 20:37:12 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-179-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 20:37:21 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: have you evetr explored limits of human stu[idity that lies on the other side of " I doubt anyone will do it anyway" ? 20:37:34 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: this games runs for 48h, right? 20:37:39 <Phazorx> 30 i tihnk 20:37:52 <TrueBrain> hmm, aircraft flies 20:37:55 <TrueBrain> but refuses to land 20:38:03 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: we noticed that :) 20:38:23 <Phazorx> Ammler/TrueBrain in general i like idea of enforcing rules and rpeventing problems 20:38:39 <Ammler> @calc (2050-1920) / 4 20:38:39 <DorpsGek> Ammler: 32.5 20:38:46 <Phazorx> a solution "they will not ever do that" and "someone will noticer the problem eventualy" aer not quite acceptable 20:38:56 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: it is the best I can do for you 20:39:09 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: name matching is totaly impossible? 20:39:10 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:39:16 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: no time for it 20:39:20 <Bjarni> player stupidity..... in Imperialism 1 they found a bug. In combat if you clicked the button to finish the battle on auto complete, then the computer would take over and finish the battle in no time. Clicking it twice didn't do anything... somebody reported that clicking it really fast more than 30 times would crash the game 20:39:20 <Phazorx> sad 20:39:29 <Ammler> TrueBrain: if the plane building thing is too hard, just remove the "notbuildingairport" 20:39:42 <Bjarni> they didn't want to fix this bug, but wrote that people should not do this because it makes no sense to do so 20:39:58 <Ammler> aircraft isn't really the most important thing... 20:40:08 <Phazorx> Bjarni: there is an old russian/jewish joke 20:40:14 <Bjarni> that software company is no more, but I don't think this bug had anything to do with that 20:40:38 <TrueBrain> Ammler: it just annoys me I can't find it :p 20:40:42 <Bjarni> I still wonder who could be stupid enough to find that bug :P 20:41:05 <Phazorx> a patient comes to see a GP with a complaint - When i do with my hanads like that, it hurts here! doctor says - well do you ahve to do with your hands like that often? - not really - then dont do it!" 20:41:27 <Bjarni> :) 20:42:32 *** thgerg1 [~Thiering_@dsl51B788D9.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:53 <Ammler> hmm, maybe we should start later will be loong to travel through 2048 tiles with 70kmh 20:43:03 <Bjarni> sounds somewhat like "a man goes to the doctor and says: when I press my finger against my forehead, it hurts. When I press it against my chest, it hurts, when I press it against my knee it hurts. I think I'm dying". The doctor takes a look and says "you fool. You hurt your finger" 20:43:26 <Bjarni> except your story fits the bug report better 20:43:35 <Phazorx> Ammler: and what kind of goods you wnt to take that far? 20:43:54 <Phazorx> Bjarni: in all fairness 20:44:00 <Phazorx> targeting wrong station 20:44:18 <LN-> Bjarni: what's your rank? 20:44:19 <AntB> has anyone got a GIMP palette i can use for TTD? 20:44:24 <Bjarni> wrong station? 20:44:24 <Phazorx> is much more easy to make mistake than click the buttong 30 times to figure out if soemtihng is gonna crash afterwards 20:44:39 <TrueBrain> ha, found it! :) 20:44:46 <Phazorx> Bjarni: well i'm talking about shared station patch 20:44:56 <Bjarni> nice to know 20:44:58 <Phazorx> and global dedicated stations that arent availabel to other companies 20:45:04 <TrueBrain> v6 is up, fixes airports 20:45:12 <TrueBrain> globals can build them, others can buy, service, and fly them 20:45:13 <Bjarni> <LN-> Bjarni: what's your rank? <-- master of my computer 20:45:20 <Bjarni> well, that's just one of them :) 20:45:23 <Phazorx> Bjarni: aka root ? 20:45:29 <Bjarni> not right now 20:45:33 <Phazorx> :) 20:45:38 <Bjarni> do you think I'm that stupid? :P 20:45:54 <Bjarni> <LN-> Bjarni: what's your rank? <-- operator 20:46:00 <qkr> where's the code to buy new vehicle? 20:46:06 <Bjarni> look at the client list and you should notice this 20:46:27 <Bjarni> qkr: in (vehicle_type=_cmd.cpp 20:46:48 <Bjarni> s/=/) 20:46:58 <Bjarni> there is one for each vehicle type 20:47:02 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: the best solution would have been a switch on the global station which said: global or not. But, simply, no time 20:47:20 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: that is complex and best i agree 20:47:27 <Phazorx> which is a major overhaul of whoel thing 20:47:40 <Phazorx> and if done should be made expandale as bitmask 20:47:43 <Bjarni> qkr: commonly referred to as "the build vehicle commands", hence the function names ;) 20:47:44 <Phazorx> for all comanies usage 20:48:03 <Phazorx> however for this case - any way to signify that this station is global would work 20:48:03 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: really, sometimes I wonder which language you speak :) 20:48:20 <Phazorx> net albanian :) 20:48:26 <qkr> I can't even find that file 20:48:30 *** dyron [~dyron@p57ACEA13.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:48:33 <Bjarni> ... 20:48:40 <TrueBrain> anyway, let me know any bugs 20:48:46 <TrueBrain> or if you have a server running with v6 20:48:48 <TrueBrain> I like to see it :p 20:48:54 <Bjarni> qkr: look for ship_cmd.cpp, road_veh_cmd.cpp and so on 20:48:59 <Phazorx> i ommit a lot of punctuation and mix letter orders since i type kidna fast 20:49:04 <Phazorx> soryy baout that :) 20:49:07 <Bjarni> there are 4 vehicle types, so it's 4 files you would have to look for 20:49:12 <Phazorx> i hope it is somewhat comprehendable in general though 20:49:25 * AntB pokes anyone who uses GIMP 20:49:33 <qkr> you mean .c not .cpp? 20:49:48 <Bjarni> it's cpp in the svn checkout 20:49:55 <Ammler> AntB: now, I know, why the german flag was so ugly... 20:49:56 <Bjarni> .c is last stable release and is outdated 20:50:08 <AntB> say wha? 20:50:09 <LN-> isn't it true that there is only one german F1 champion? 20:50:14 <qkr> I'm using the 0.5.3 source 20:50:22 <Ammler> you need a palette for TTD 20:50:30 * AntB slaps his head 20:50:47 <Ammler> sorry, but :) 20:51:02 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7F3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:04 <Bjarni> qkr: when you want to make new stuff for the game you should make an svn checkout and work on that source. If you code on old code like that it will not work with the current code the rest of us work on 20:51:04 <AntB> i thought it was UK flag you was having problems with anyway? 20:51:16 <skidd13> Hi 20:51:22 <Bjarni> hi skidd13 20:51:28 <TrueBrain> skiddle! :) 20:51:37 <TrueBrain> how is mersenna going? 20:51:44 <skidd13> Now OOP 20:51:52 <Ammler> AntB: I have just decoded flags.grf and overwritten the american flag and encoded it after 20:52:06 <skidd13> TrueBrain: I got the exit code: j-- 20:52:15 <TrueBrain> lol :) 20:52:36 <AntB> ok 20:52:41 <qkr> but does it matter which version I use if I just play around with it, I'm not planning to release it anywhere? 20:52:41 <skidd13> The style sucks. The author could have added the != 0 20:52:52 <AntB> do you have a GIMP TTD palete ammler? 20:53:01 <Ammler> even not 20:53:14 <Ammler> thats why the german flag was ugly 20:53:15 <skidd13> AntB: search the forum I posted one onece 20:53:36 <AntB> skidd: already have, but i'll try again 20:54:06 <Bjarni> qkr: if you really don't want to make your great new feature publicly available, then you can use any version you like, but why limit your usergroup for your new feature to yourself? 20:55:11 <skidd13> AntB: http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25037&start=139 20:55:19 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 20:55:28 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: slighty more ugly but better idea than names - how about tract direction - X vs Y ? 20:55:39 <TrueBrain> lol 20:55:41 <TrueBrain> that _is_ nasty 20:55:45 <Phazorx> i know :) 20:55:48 <Phazorx> but easy 20:55:49 <TrueBrain> why are you so afraid 20:55:52 <TrueBrain> it will be okay, really 20:56:04 <TrueBrain> nobody is going to sent 1000 trains to a station it can't access 20:56:08 <TrueBrain> every dumb-shit-head will notice 20:56:10 <AntB> Skidd: Thanks! :D 20:56:27 * AntB hopes it'll work now 20:56:31 <Phazorx> well i quite often start improving network by removing few hundredss of uneeded trains that just use network w/o getting to where they want 20:56:39 <Phazorx> and if that can be rpevented i think it should 20:56:51 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: so, make a penalty rule 20:56:55 <Bjarni> <TrueBrain> nobody is going to sent 1000 trains to a station it can't access <--- watch and learn :P 20:56:55 <Phazorx> becasue global company will dedicate a lot of time to expanding the network to deal with trasin stream 20:56:59 <TrueBrain> make a mouse-catcher 20:57:13 <Phazorx> and if train stream is majority = lost trains that get no there, the task sounds kinda silly 20:57:17 <TrueBrain> you have: switch at end of station off? 20:57:21 <Bjarni> since the game is available on the internet then expect user stupidity 20:57:45 <TrueBrain> then make a piece of station everyone can access, make a closed circle at the end of it 20:57:51 <TrueBrain> and any dipshit sending its train there, is captured 20:57:53 <TrueBrain> :p 20:58:09 <Phazorx> and how traisn that should get there avoid that ? 20:58:19 <Wolf01> bug! a bank appeared in the middle of nowhere 20:58:25 <TrueBrain> details, just details 20:58:26 <Phazorx> that soudbns like even more nasty than direcion based seelection 20:58:28 <qkr> bjarni: I don't know how to release any changes anywhere...is the svn just public? 20:58:42 <Phazorx> sicne it means each statioon needs to have "catch all lost trains" device 20:58:58 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: I might think off something else 20:59:02 <TrueBrain> but for now, I am out of time :) 20:59:16 <Phazorx> well i'm looking at station struct 20:59:30 <Bjarni> qkr: there is public read only access to the svn server and if you want to release anything you made, then you just use the "svn diff > name.diff" command and upload the diff file 20:59:31 <Phazorx> in hope of figuring out that can be easily used to differenciate if not the name 20:59:33 <Ammler> AntB: how to you add this palette? 20:59:34 <Phazorx> thanks btw 20:59:53 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: I just hope it increases play-fun :) 20:59:57 <qkr> upload it where? 21:00:03 <Phazorx> lost trains generaly dont :) 21:00:11 <Phazorx> but this patch has a lot of potential 21:00:12 <TrueBrain> the patch in general ;) 21:00:16 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:00:17 <AntB> ammler: I've put it in GIMP's shared palatte directory, but how to apply it i've no idea. i'm playing with it now to find out 21:00:17 <Phazorx> yeah i got the idea 21:00:21 <TrueBrain> I really liked the total conversion of Korenn 21:00:29 <Phazorx> Korenn ? 21:00:33 <TrueBrain> long long ago 21:00:41 <Phazorx> what did he do ? 21:00:47 <Bjarni> qkr: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/SVN 21:01:22 <Bjarni> err... where.. to our tracker, which is http://bugs.openttd.org 21:01:31 <TrueBrain> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=16072 21:01:51 <skidd13> AntB: Picture -> Mode -> Indexed 21:01:52 <TrueBrain> the maps mostly were impressive 21:02:11 <AntB> skidd: thanks again :D 21:02:27 <Phazorx> yeah that one was good 21:02:41 <skidd13> AntB: And don't forget: Do not drop the missing colors ;) 21:03:00 <AntB> i know that one :D 21:03:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:45 <qkr> I still can't find the buy vehicle thing in road_cmd.c 21:04:48 <AntB> wooo it worked!! 21:04:51 <Ammler> AntB / skidd13: its deactivated by me... 21:05:09 <AntB> Ammler: change to RGB 21:05:13 <AntB> then do it 21:06:26 <skidd13> WOOT. pidgin shows hidden buddys :D 21:06:36 <AntB> pidgin? 21:06:58 <skidd13> open-source ICQ, IRC, etc client 21:07:33 *** qkr [~qkr@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe18fa00-70.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:07:34 <skidd13> And I can see all the invisible buddys if I'm invisible too. Nice feature. :) 21:07:36 <Ammler> hmm, the german flag is still lila... 21:07:58 <skidd13> Ammler:Land of MILKA :P 21:08:32 <AntB> is there not a couple of didgy colours in the palette 21:08:33 <Ammler> and shouldn't gimp already use the right palette, if I load a decoded grf pcx? 21:08:57 * AntB remembers seeing something on the forums about using pink for grey, or something to that effect 21:09:15 <skidd13> Ammler: Depends on how you use grfcodec. I allways force it to use the win pal. 21:09:35 *** MarkMc [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:44 <Ammler> grfcodec -d flags.grf 21:09:51 <skidd13> Add -p 2 21:10:07 <skidd13> grfcodec -p 2 -d flags.grf 21:10:16 * AntB has CMD files set up for that :P 21:10:30 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-69-114.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:10:39 <skidd13> I noticed that the force of the win pal has better results. 21:11:34 <Ammler> hmm, yes looks nice now 21:11:42 <Ammler> thanks.. 21:14:12 <Ammler> skidd13: do I also need to encode in a other way? 21:14:39 <skidd13> grfcodec -p 2 -e flags.grf 21:14:48 <skidd13> Same in green ;) 21:14:59 <Ammler> ok, locical... 21:15:15 <Ammler> but liked to be sure. :) 21:16:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 21:21:04 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 21:22:41 <LN-> how to convince others that one doesn't know almost anything about bowling after starting the first round with a complete strike? 21:23:36 <TrueBrain> stackless python + sessionless websites really are useful :) 21:26:34 <Phazorx> DB? 21:26:50 <TrueBrain> would be VERY slow :p 21:27:00 <TrueBrain> no, the session stays active on the server 21:27:11 <Phazorx> i guess depends on what are you storing 21:27:19 <TrueBrain> http://stacklessexamples.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/examples/networking/wsgi/app_sessionless.py 21:27:23 <Wolf01> 'night 21:27:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host180-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:28:06 <Phazorx> LN-: bowling is a very strnge activity to start actualy... most belive it is a sport, while getting completely drunk playing it :) 21:28:32 <TrueBrain> so basicly, it makes the intigration between a real application and websites even easier :) 21:29:47 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: sounds like you need microkernel/dispatcher within webserver to make it efficient 21:30:05 <TrueBrain> stackless python, yes :) 21:30:06 <Phazorx> and i wonder how privat it would be in terms of guessing the key 21:30:21 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: add an IP checker, and as private as any other system 21:30:33 <TrueBrain> (normally, you send a session key anyway) 21:30:35 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: python is not quite within the webserver 21:30:45 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: this _is_ the webserver 21:31:02 <Phazorx> webserver in python? 21:31:09 <Phazorx> and you tell me the DB is gonna eb the slow part ? :) 21:31:11 <TrueBrain> most likely you can adjust it to work with Apache or lighttpd 21:31:17 <TrueBrain> haha, try benchmarking it :) 21:31:21 <TrueBrain> you would be suprised ;) 21:31:25 <Phazorx> i probably would 21:31:27 <TrueBrain> it outruns Apache for sure 21:31:35 <TrueBrain> (as it is 100% tuned for your application, and nothing else) 21:31:48 <Phazorx> but i tried benchmarking lighty, and these benhces are hard to beat event with LS or tux 21:32:06 <TrueBrain> for static pages it is slower than lighttpd 21:32:09 <TrueBrain> for non-static, it is faster 21:32:14 <TrueBrain> (no overhead) 21:32:34 <Phazorx> i used lighty + fastcgi 21:32:52 <Phazorx> nice thing about that setup was linear scalability 21:32:58 <Phazorx> i wonder how .py one scales 21:33:02 <TrueBrain> basicly, a python webserver isn't that bad. It just doesn't allow you to run multiple sites on one port :) 21:33:24 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: if you get to a point of having a dedicated custom webserver 21:33:31 <Phazorx> you are not running multiple sites on a port 21:33:34 <TrueBrain> but benches show it outruns even lighttpd (via dynamic) for 1000+ simul clients :) 21:33:47 <Phazorx> in my case was running 20 boxes on same IP with HW loadbalancer even 21:33:49 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: I never said it was useful for everyone :) 21:33:59 <Phazorx> i agree 21:34:00 <TrueBrain> anyway, this also works just fine via lighttpd 21:34:06 <Phazorx> but idea of custom tuning is interesting 21:34:18 <TrueBrain> I just like the posibilities of microthreads 21:34:24 <TrueBrain> this means I can finally make a good AJAX handling 21:34:31 <Phazorx> heh 21:34:33 <Phazorx> sounds liek fun 21:34:37 <TrueBrain> (as the server can now keep track of the site as on the client, else that was slow) 21:34:50 <TrueBrain> means I can finally make that 2d sprite engine for website I always wanted to make ;) 21:34:58 <Phazorx> not as much fun as global station availability recognition, but a bit of fun for sure :) 21:34:59 <TrueBrain> which means that it can work as frontend for OpenTTD :p LoL! 21:35:06 <TrueBrain> hahaha :) 21:35:11 <TrueBrain> you found a way already? :p 21:35:17 <Phazorx> not really 21:35:25 <Phazorx> i'm not familair with data structures 21:35:32 <Phazorx> so i only came up with ugly ways so far 21:35:46 <TrueBrain> hmm 21:35:52 <TrueBrain> I might know a really dirty way 21:35:58 <TrueBrain> but it will work 21:36:00 <Phazorx> more dirty than X vs Y ? 21:36:10 <TrueBrain> much more clean for the GUI 21:36:20 <skidd13> TrueBrain: FS1341 (first idea for syncing the mersenne twiseter) 21:36:20 <TrueBrain> but a bit tricking 21:36:45 *** MrRexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 21:36:46 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: i'm just sure there is a away to find a structure element that can be set in certain way by buulder 21:36:51 <Phazorx> and react upon it in selector 21:36:56 <Phazorx> name is not the best for sure 21:36:56 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: we just remove 2 buttons of the bottom right of their current function 21:37:01 <TrueBrain> hmm, I need network sync 21:37:04 <Phazorx> but there are other similar alternatives 21:37:04 <TrueBrain> no, that isn't going to work 21:37:23 <Phazorx> move buttons? 21:37:31 <TrueBrain> skidd13: let me check 21:37:34 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:38:28 <TrueBrain> No, Phazorx, currently I don't see a simple way 21:39:39 <TrueBrain> + *insert++ = seed; 21:39:43 <TrueBrain> please avoid such statements :) 21:39:54 <TrueBrain> they are... doubtful in their result :) (okay, it can only do one thing, but it is unclear ;)) 21:40:18 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:40:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F62F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:40:32 <TrueBrain> just put them (all) on 2 lines, the compiler will optimize for you :) 21:40:55 <skidd13> TrueBrain: It's the first concept and its much more readable than the original 21:41:00 <TrueBrain> I agree :) 21:41:08 <TrueBrain> but I just tell you this already ;) 21:41:31 <TrueBrain> (Not multiplayer save)" <- 'safe' is the word :) 21:42:04 <TrueBrain> skidd13: I suggest before making it network safe, try first to make it to work for SP 21:42:07 <TrueBrain> that every time you load a map 21:42:09 <TrueBrain> the same thing happens 21:42:11 <TrueBrain> even after a year 21:42:22 <DaleStan> skidd13, Ammler: grfcodec -p 2 -e flags.grf <-- No. -p is for decoding only, just like the help message says. 21:42:25 <TrueBrain> as long as that doesn't work, MP will never :) 21:42:38 <TrueBrain> anyway, got to go :) Nice job so far skidd13 :) 21:48:05 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:30 <skidd13> good night 21:51:48 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7F3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 21:53:31 <Ammler> DaleStan: ok thank, will be ignored then... 21:57:26 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180064142.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:24 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-179-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:06:43 *** MrRexxie is now known as Rexxars 22:16:13 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-69-114.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:21:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F62F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:26 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 22:24:38 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:27:15 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:21 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-114-234.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:40:06 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: still here? 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