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00:00:08 <Belugas> guys, do you think that we have nothing to do? do you thing we are only there to do all the stuff you cannot do? 00:00:09 <Belugas> please... 00:00:24 <Belugas> you can work out things by yourselves too... 00:00:34 <Belugas> look at AntB who is doing grf! 00:00:36 <Phazorx> if they behave like they are suppsoed to - yes 00:00:38 <AntB> i've been trying to 00:00:53 <Phazorx> if you tell me it should do one thing and does the other 00:01:00 <Phazorx> it gets rather comlicated to work it out 00:01:04 <Phazorx> without knowing how it worksd 00:01:46 <Belugas> same in here... 00:01:59 <glx> we don't know all the code 00:04:07 <Belugas> nor all the expected behaviours 00:05:27 <Belugas> Phazorx, i would do the same think as you would do, i.e.: put a tracer in the code and follow the process. if ever you do that, of course 00:05:31 <Belugas> boring process... 00:05:42 <Belugas> right now, i'm coding, you know, for the fun of it 00:05:49 <AntB> bug catchers :D 00:05:51 <Belugas> been a while i have not done it 00:11:00 <Belugas> lol 00:11:17 <Belugas> i don't even remember how to had a setting :P 00:11:44 <Ammller> : 00:11:47 <Ammller> ) 00:14:07 <fjb> Godd night. 00:14:21 *** fjb [~frank@Wbfd1.w.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 00:18:01 <Phazorx> Belugas: not sure how to fix it but i know how to hack it 00:18:18 <Belugas> that's already a start. 00:18:20 <Phazorx> changing dificulty params resets things so grfed values are applied 00:18:27 <Belugas> can i look at ot? 00:18:37 <Phazorx> not sure if it will be carried after saving tho 00:18:39 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-152-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:18:41 <Phazorx> Belugas: the scn? 00:19:09 <Phazorx> i can suggest just taking ammler's mode adding it to scn 00:19:13 <Phazorx> and trying to play with it 00:19:54 * Belugas tough you Phazorx had a patch to show 00:20:33 <Phazorx> you dont want to go there 00:20:43 <Phazorx> it is not reallt a patch thing anyway 00:20:50 <Phazorx> since same behavior is observed in trunk 00:21:05 <Ammller> Phazorx: but you still need to reload the game? 00:21:14 <Phazorx> huh? 00:21:47 <Phazorx> Ammller: set by step, i got the effect of grf in the save 00:21:52 <Phazorx> it works to that level 00:21:55 <Phazorx> which is nice 00:22:19 <Phazorx> aside of that i spend 60M instead of 10 on water and 64k instead of 512 on land :) 00:23:27 <Phazorx> and yes after resaving the effect is maintained 00:23:59 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-173-004.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:24:00 <Phazorx> so my sanity is back to standart level just slightly above missing :) 00:24:19 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 00:37:39 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-181-253.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:58:43 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.68.60] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 01:09:55 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@CPE0040caacdf99-CM0011ae8a728e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:10:08 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-181-253.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:14:56 *** Rafagd [~kvirc@BHE200150043219.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #openttd 01:18:24 *** Ouranogrammi [~arkoudaki@athedsl-265504.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 01:18:30 <Ouranogrammi> hello people 01:19:14 <Ouranogrammi> i am running a openttd internet server and i am trying to force it to pause if nobody is currently logged in 01:19:36 <Ouranogrammi> i set min_players to 1 or 2 01:19:41 <Ouranogrammi> but nothing seems to happent :( 01:19:43 <Ouranogrammi> any idea? 01:21:05 <glx> should work 01:21:31 <Ouranogrammi> its like my configure-patches menu settings never get saved in openttd.cfg 01:21:40 <Ouranogrammi> but thanks for info glx 01:21:51 <glx> you changed it in running game? 01:21:54 <Ouranogrammi> yes 01:22:09 <glx> that's why 01:22:25 <Ouranogrammi> i should edit openttd.cfg? 01:22:41 <Ouranogrammi> because no configure-patches-menu option is about min-players 01:23:15 <glx> yes but edit it when openttd is not running 01:23:25 <glx> else it will be overwritten 01:24:00 <Ouranogrammi> when i set options in configure-patches-menu in main menu (before any single or multiplayer game is running) 01:24:05 <Ouranogrammi> is those settings permanent? 01:24:18 <Ouranogrammi> or i should edit openttd.cfg? 01:24:29 <Ouranogrammi> s/is/are 01:24:58 <glx> if you set it before starting a game they will be in openttd.cfg 01:25:27 <Ouranogrammi> thanks i'll go and try it out 01:26:31 <Ouranogrammi> when i start a non dedicated server and let my company bankrupt 01:26:40 <Ouranogrammi> can i start another company from the server? 01:27:12 <glx> you need to start another openttd 01:27:24 <Ouranogrammi> when company bankrupts 01:27:31 <glx> and let the first one running 01:27:31 <Ouranogrammi> u are just a game admin 01:27:40 <Ouranogrammi> right? 01:27:47 <glx> a dev 01:27:56 <Ouranogrammi> does your admin-client counts for player? 01:28:01 <Ouranogrammi> in min-player setting i mean 01:28:25 <Ouranogrammi> should i set min-players to 2? (the admin-client and one player that should be playing) 01:28:26 <glx> server is a client 01:28:42 <Ouranogrammi> so min_players should be set to 2? 01:28:55 <glx> a client is not a player 01:29:03 <Ouranogrammi> ok i'll try one :) 01:29:09 <Phazorx> lol 01:29:13 <Phazorx> interesting conversation 01:29:25 <Ouranogrammi> let the newb become expert :P 01:30:22 <Ouranogrammi> the most impressive fact about the game 01:30:33 <Ouranogrammi> is that any window is a full functional game-viewport 01:30:53 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:30:54 <Ouranogrammi> and this feature was present in the first tt (required 386 /4mb ram) 01:31:01 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 01:31:02 <Ouranogrammi> masterpiece of software :) 01:31:04 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77C5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:10 <Phazorx> that puts many other application and some OSes to shame for sure 01:33:07 <Ouranogrammi> i bought the original tt CD rom with theme park 01:33:14 <Ouranogrammi> and the floppy disk "world editor" 01:33:28 <Ouranogrammi> 2 years of happy gaming 01:33:36 <Ouranogrammi> on my 486 01:33:51 <Rafagd> i bought original tt with a 6 games box 01:33:55 <Rafagd> =] 01:34:01 <Ouranogrammi> after that i upgraded my ram to 8mb and i had some years of gaming with Warcraft2 01:34:34 <Ouranogrammi> tt is more of "relaxing" game, like RPG, its not about maximizing your profit 01:34:49 <Ouranogrammi> is about watching towns groing, making beautiful intersections etc 01:35:16 <Ouranogrammi> you shout respect your multiplayer opponents and help them to build by not blocking 01:35:21 <Phazorx> heh it also has a unique multiplayer model 01:35:30 <Ouranogrammi> the excact opposite of age of empires 2 01:35:35 <Ouranogrammi> playing like maniac 01:35:42 <Ouranogrammi> trying to wipe your opponent 01:35:43 <Phazorx> and yay it works 01:36:02 <Ouranogrammi> AOE2 requires all players to be present 01:36:09 <Ouranogrammi> game is lost if someone gets DC etc 01:36:27 <Ouranogrammi> the good thing about openttd multiplayer is that anyone can join when he has free time 01:36:33 <Ouranogrammi> like online RPGS 01:36:57 <Phazorx> and with introduction of #wwottdgd ottd goes MMO :) 01:37:18 <Ouranogrammi> after 3 years of lineage 01:37:22 <Ouranogrammi> no real life etc 01:37:34 <Ouranogrammi> no more mmorpg for me :P 01:37:43 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77A68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:02 <Phazorx> it isnt an rpg really 01:38:14 <Phazorx> but getting to MMO level in terms of scale 01:38:41 <Ouranogrammi> coordination and team gaming was well repaid 01:38:58 <Phazorx> are you playing competatively with teams? 01:38:59 <Ouranogrammi> an archer group with a healer and a buffer/sws/bd could wipe anything 01:39:15 <Ouranogrammi> i am talking about Lineage 01:39:24 <Ouranogrammi> [04:37] <Phazorx> it isnt an rpg really <- u ment openttd? 01:39:32 <Phazorx> Ouranogrammi: yes :) 01:39:34 <Ouranogrammi> oh! 01:39:43 <Phazorx> and MMO comment was about ottd as well :) 01:39:44 <Ouranogrammi> sure its not an rpg 01:39:49 <Ouranogrammi> but it has and RPG feeling 01:39:52 <Ouranogrammi> when u play and RPG 01:40:00 <Ouranogrammi> you want to "live" its world 01:40:01 <Phazorx> well you can add RP elements to it for sure 01:40:13 <Ouranogrammi> u don't care just to max ur starts and finish it 01:40:34 <Ouranogrammi> i am a math/game maniac i try to get max out of everything 01:40:41 <Ouranogrammi> but openttd makes you relax 01:40:54 <Ouranogrammi> u live its world 01:41:13 <Phazorx> very true 01:41:46 <Phazorx> however i'd say relaxing moment is when the plan works and everything is efficient and smooth 01:41:50 <Ouranogrammi> and you can have a great multiplayer experience without spending a day playing 01:43:46 <Phazorx> well comes to think of it you might miss a lot in a day :) 01:44:28 <Phazorx> especialy if that day would be this saturday 01:46:22 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-120-113.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:33 <Ouranogrammi> xmm 01:49:39 <Ouranogrammi> edited openttd.conf 01:49:42 <Ouranogrammi> min_players set to 2 01:49:46 <Ouranogrammi> started server 01:50:08 <Phazorx> .cfg you mean? 01:50:10 <Ouranogrammi> min_players at console report 2 01:50:13 <Ouranogrammi> cfg right 01:50:15 <Phazorx> and are you sure that is the active .cfg? 01:50:47 <Ouranogrammi> if it is not, how i am getting min_players = 2 when the game starts :) 01:50:54 <Ouranogrammi> default is 0 01:51:02 <Ouranogrammi> so its the right one 01:51:07 <Ouranogrammi> but it doesn't autopause :( 01:51:30 <Phazorx> well we normally use autopilot for things like that so i amnot even sure how it is supposed to work 01:51:44 <Ouranogrammi> autopilot Oo 01:51:47 <Ouranogrammi> init script? 01:52:24 <glx> Ouranogrammi: it is for dedicated servers only IIRC 01:52:30 <glx> let me check the source 01:52:48 <Ouranogrammi> want my IP and rcon to try? 01:53:07 <Phazorx> glx: i run it on windows box ocasioanly when i test sometihng 01:53:10 <Phazorx> works fine 01:53:24 <Ouranogrammi> i use ubuntu 7.10 for dedicated server 01:53:30 <Ouranogrammi> and XP pro for client 01:53:41 <Phazorx> Ouranogrammi: if you run a server then it is no problem 01:53:46 <glx> Phazorx: I was talking about min_players :) 01:53:55 <Ouranogrammi> my XP machine has my fav monitor and playbacks midi properly 01:53:58 <Ouranogrammi> ubuntu does not :( 01:54:07 <glx> I know autopilot works on windows, I helped to make it work ;) 01:54:22 <Phazorx> glx: ahh yeah... 01:54:49 <glx> void CheckMinPlayers() 01:54:49 <glx> { 01:54:49 <glx> if (!_network_dedicated) return; 01:54:49 <glx> ... 01:54:52 <Phazorx> surprised to learn some peolpe still listen to the midis there 01:54:55 <glx> yes dedicated only 01:55:23 <Ouranogrammi> OMG 01:55:28 <Ouranogrammi> it was so damn simple :S 01:55:36 <Ouranogrammi> thanks :) 01:55:44 <glx> you can start dedicated server on windows too 01:55:45 <Ouranogrammi> let my try! 01:56:50 <Phazorx> wee... i can move the players too 01:57:30 <Ouranogrammi> move the players? 01:58:05 <Phazorx> Ouranogrammi: i'm testing a very patched version of a server, and surprized it works as expected :) 01:58:19 <Ouranogrammi> is there any "god" mode 01:58:26 <Phazorx> heh 01:58:30 <Phazorx> there are cehats 01:58:31 <Phazorx> in SP 01:58:40 <Phazorx> as i recently learned :) 01:58:52 <Ouranogrammi> for admins to remove obstacles or tiles of malign players? 01:58:58 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B042AF0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:59:02 <Ouranogrammi> or just kick/ban? 01:59:16 <Phazorx> well admins can kick/ban in basic openttd 01:59:32 <Phazorx> the server i am talking has special functionality that allows admins to move players between teams 01:59:36 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B042AF0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:59:43 <Phazorx> actualy between spectators and teams mostly 02:00:03 <Ouranogrammi> :) hope someday that will be a standard function in stable openttd 02:00:07 <Phazorx> and it's a no on removing obstacles 02:00:15 * Ouranogrammi luvs 2D isometric 256color games 02:00:24 <Ouranogrammi> Age of empires, Sim, openttd 02:00:31 <Phazorx> Ouranogrammi: it's actualy can be 32bpp now 02:00:43 <Ouranogrammi> no!!! we need palette looping!!!! 02:00:47 <Ouranogrammi> :) 02:00:56 <Phazorx> that's emulated too so animations work 02:01:04 <glx> animation still works yes 02:01:20 <Phazorx> but i play in 8bpp mode tho 02:01:24 <Phazorx> 32 is too taxing sometimes 02:01:25 * Ouranogrammi was doing lava lamps in DOS with basic/pascal but never managed palette looping in windows :( 02:01:40 <Ouranogrammi> if there is a 8bpp full compatible client 32bit is great 02:02:02 <Ouranogrammi> the good thing about those games (openttd, age of empires) is that anyone can play in network game nomatter how old his PC is 02:02:12 <Phazorx> glx: i have a mingw made binary with athlon optimization cflags, is that still normally usable to say celeron users? 02:02:24 <Phazorx> well that actualy does change 02:02:27 <glx> not sure 02:02:36 <Phazorx> i played some games that required 3G + 02:02:39 <glx> celeron is not athlon 02:02:43 <Phazorx> glx: i know 02:02:56 <glx> but you can try 02:03:05 <Phazorx> well i dont have a celeron so no i can not 02:04:24 <Ouranogrammi> is there anyway i can scroll up to see console output? 02:04:34 <Phazorx> shift + arrow 02:04:38 <Ouranogrammi> :) 02:04:47 <Phazorx> shift + pgup/pgdn 02:04:56 <Ouranogrammi> rcon is very convinient 02:05:11 <Phazorx> i kinda like console more but rcon is handy too 02:05:16 <Ouranogrammi> does dedicated server autosaves? 02:05:22 <Phazorx> if you set it to 02:05:39 <Ouranogrammi> default setting is on i think 02:07:01 <Phazorx> glx: are you gona participate in wwottdgd thingy? 02:07:22 <glx> no 02:07:28 <Phazorx> :( 02:14:58 <Ouranogrammi> ALL WORK GREAT! 02:15:01 * Ouranogrammi thanks all :) 02:20:43 <Phazorx> congratulations :) 02:36:12 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:51:52 <Tefad> hey guys, why does selecting a playlist in the music options section cause a segfault? 02:55:12 <Phazorx> probably have not beed tested for a while 02:55:21 <Tefad> it segfault for you too? 02:55:30 <Phazorx> Osai was reporting some issues with midi on OSX 02:55:41 <Tefad> i'm on linux 02:55:45 <Phazorx> no, i start with -s null -m null :) 02:56:03 <Tefad> i gave a halfassed attempt at getting music working the other day 02:56:17 <Tefad> i've got timidity already installed on this box 02:56:26 <Tefad> and i set the option in config for timidity 02:56:35 <Tefad> it just doesn't want to work or whatever 02:56:36 * Tefad shrugs 02:57:22 <Phazorx> i doubt i can help there, i'm on windows atm, and probably have never heard any music from OTTD 02:57:36 <Tefad> ok doke 03:09:19 <Ouranogrammi> ubuntu openttd client keeps changine music tracks without playing them 03:09:35 <Ouranogrammi> i probably have them in wrong dir :S 03:11:02 <Rafagd> or TheY HAve CrazY CapS CHanGe SO UniX DoEsN't Find It 03:11:03 <Rafagd> =] 03:11:28 *** Grey [~Greyscale@user-5440c3bd.wfd78a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 03:12:44 <Ouranogrammi> Rafagd i thought of that :) 03:12:54 <Ouranogrammi> macos is case sensitive btw? 03:13:16 <Ouranogrammi> i knew linux is case sensitive, but i keep forgot all the time 03:13:49 <Ouranogrammi> one time i tried to import a jpg file into openoffice but i couldn't browse my jpg files although they where there 03:13:58 <Ouranogrammi> they yere... JPG not jpg:P 03:14:05 <Ouranogrammi> were* 03:15:50 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@user-5440c3bd.wfd78a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:16:54 <Rafagd> OSX is unix-link 03:16:57 <Rafagd> like* 03:17:05 <Rafagd> so he may be case sensitive 03:17:56 <Ouranogrammi> bsd like :P 03:19:24 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:21:40 <Rafagd> Ouranogrammi: you've got the idea XD 03:28:43 <Tefad> bsd and linux both are unix-likes 03:28:57 <Tefad> while bsd has closer roots, it's still no longer offically unix 03:30:17 * Ouranogrammi is writing restart to console 03:30:23 <Ouranogrammi> and... server restarts 03:30:28 <Ouranogrammi> but i am a client! 03:30:33 <Ouranogrammi> no rcon no nothing 03:30:54 <Ouranogrammi> does a client has the privilegdes required to restart ? 03:32:38 <Ouranogrammi> lol its restarting the game out of network 03:37:52 <Phazorx> dihedral has a patch which lets you restart the server via rcon 03:41:21 <Tefad> hmm my last statement isn't quite true : ) BSD is a UNIX, but generally UNIX is reserved for commercial OSs 03:42:26 <Tefad> "Unix" however, can be used to describe UNIX-like systems. 03:42:37 <Phazorx> *nix is a good term 03:43:51 <Phazorx> and BSD OS IS unix, modern bsds such as free, open and net are far derivates though 03:44:09 * Tefad nods 03:44:18 <Tefad> however *nix doesn't fit "Linux" 03:44:43 <Tefad> * was used to avoid trademark.. i think like a swear word ; ) 03:44:58 <Tefad> however some have further modified it to *n?x 03:45:12 <Tefad> i just say unix or linux most of the time 03:45:19 <Tefad> nearly interchangeably 03:45:37 <Tefad> sometimes even posix gets thrown around (cygwin/interix) 03:50:42 * Phazorx is happy with msys/mingw :) 03:51:18 <Phazorx> and imho *nix fits any unix like OS 03:55:37 * Rafagd start to sleep on the keyboard... 03:55:47 <Rafagd> cya 03:55:49 *** Rafagd [~kvirc@BHE200150043219.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies 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joined #openttd 09:14:53 <BiA|pavel-css> hi 09:16:06 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 09:20:25 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:22:08 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 09:29:10 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:35:57 *** Stoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:35:57 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 09:37:10 <TrueBrain> Celestar: I am going to shut down the maillist, and fix an other way to do it, as mailman doesn't allow me to filter all the spam 09:37:14 <TrueBrain> stupid mailman 09:37:49 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-120-113.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:43:57 <ln-> leopard is here [x] 09:45:00 *** dihedral|away [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:46:12 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-120-113.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 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may i ask you? Searchin for a good server for playing OTTD. No other pathces and so on. Any sugesstions? 10:13:26 *** dan [~dan@1409ds2-vbr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 10:14:47 *** dan [~dan@1409ds2-vbr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 10:14:56 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C38B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:03 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-241-252.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:20:29 <qkr> check the server list on the ottd website? 10:33:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:52:43 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-120-113.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:44 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-120-113.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:00:08 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D0BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:12 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178217136.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:06:42 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@143.107.183.130] has joined #openttd 11:07:12 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489C366.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:53 <Benjamin_One> great idea! Thanx 11:08:57 *** Benjamin_One [~Larry@82.208.57.182] has left #openttd [] 11:22:54 *** ln- [~lauri@fedora.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:29 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:24 *** ln- [~lauri@fedora.fi] has joined #openttd 11:26:02 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 11:26:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 11:43:32 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-238-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:49:10 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B042AF0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:30 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B042B09.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:58:34 <dihedral> hi 11:59:22 <skidd13> hi 12:00:32 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-164-159.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:01:30 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 12:05:02 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-120-113.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:05:07 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A476D.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 12:14:14 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has left #openttd [] 12:15:45 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@143.107.183.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:16:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EB20.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:50 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:37:51 <dihedral> does anybody now out of the top of their head, how to make the client list window a few pixels wider? 12:41:55 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: for now, don't die] 12:44:42 *** gfldex_ is now known as gfldex 12:51:23 *** fjb [~frank@W9594.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 12:51:29 <fjb> Moin 12:55:51 <dihedral> hi 12:59:42 <fjb> I think I found a problem with some tramsets and Long Vehicles 4. :-( 13:01:07 * dihedral still needs to know how to make the client list window a few pixels wider 13:01:43 * fjb doesn't know. 13:02:54 <dihedral> that's just not good enough fjb :-P 13:04:14 <fjb> :-) I didn't read enough of the source yet. 13:05:03 <frosch123> Dihedral: search for "static const WindowDesc" in "network_gui.cpp" 13:05:25 <dihedral> thanks 13:06:06 <frosch123> "WindowDesc" is declared in "window.h". 13:06:14 <dihedral> thanks 13:06:18 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 13:07:21 <Ammller> frosch123: concratulation for your nice patch went to trunk btw. 13:07:22 <fjb> Now I know why I never could earn money with any tramset I tested. They have much highter running costs if Long Vehicles 4 were loaded at game creation time. 13:08:22 <Ammller> fjb: nice hint. 13:08:37 <dihedral> very good indeed 13:08:40 * dihedral is compiling 13:09:01 <fjb> Loading Long Vehicles 4 into a ruiunning game doesn't affect the running costs of the trams. 13:09:10 <Ammller> someone here already played with dutch trams? 13:09:15 <fjb> Me 13:09:20 <Ammller> how are they? 13:09:46 <frosch123> thanks Ammller. Rubidium also spent a lot of time on it. 13:09:48 <fjb> They are just great. Cute to look at them. And very usefull in crowded citys. 13:09:54 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:10:36 <Ammller> yep, I guess so, I watched him committing the patch, was dramatically... :) 13:10:56 <fjb> frosch123: It's really more fun with the new foundations. It looks much better. 13:11:18 <dihedral> nice 13:11:20 <dihedral> it's done 13:11:41 <dihedral> Ammller: you want zero padded id's? 13:11:49 <Ammller> zero? 13:12:05 <Ammller> padded? 13:12:12 <dihedral> 0001 13:12:21 <Ammller> don't thing so 13:12:47 <Ammller> right aligned 13:12:49 <dihedral> how do i do left padding with sprintf? 13:12:59 <dihedral> well - ok 13:13:26 <dihedral> i was just thinking of #1 : blah 13:14:46 <Ammller> dihedral: just do it working nice :) 13:14:57 <dihedral> :-) 13:17:35 <Ammller> but with 0 in front isn't readable... 13:18:23 <dihedral> yes 13:19:02 <dihedral> hmmmm 13:21:03 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-222-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:22:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 13:22:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 13:22:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 13:24:24 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 13:24:51 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.72.74] has joined #openttd 13:34:48 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-222-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:29 <ln-> OTTD does not compile under OS X Leopard. 13:39:45 <glx> ln-: fix it :) 13:40:46 <fjb> What prevents it from compiling there? 13:42:22 <Belugas> ask ln- ;) 13:42:45 <hylje> apple changed stuff around i suppose 13:43:38 <ln-> http://pastebin.ca/750382 13:44:43 <dihedral> what was your ./configure? 13:46:54 <ln-> ./configure 13:47:02 <hylje> wrong term ;) 13:47:32 <dihedral> ./configure --with-cocoa 13:49:51 <ln-> btw, if anyone here has signed Apple's NDA, then DON'T READ WHAT I'M SAYING! 13:50:07 <hylje> that sounds backwards 13:50:31 <ln-> NDA about Xcode 3 ends after about 11 hours, which isn't yet. 13:50:54 <ln-> I have received Leopard through normal preorder, and never signed an NDA, so it doesn't concern me. 13:54:33 <ln-> dihedral: --with-cocoa didn't change anything, and it would be odd if it wasn't the default setting anyway 13:55:22 <dihedral> heh 13:59:15 <dihedral> ln- interested in wwottdgd? 13:59:41 <Kommer> when will the game start tomorrow? 13:59:47 <Kommer> in CET time? :) 13:59:47 <dihedral> @562 13:59:54 <dihedral> internet time 14:00:03 <ln-> dihedral: what's wwottdgd? 14:00:25 <dihedral> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/World_Wide_OpenTTD_Game_Day/ 14:00:27 <Kommer> and thats in CET? 14:00:33 <dihedral> internet time 14:00:38 <dihedral> 1000 beats per day 14:00:45 <dihedral> it's the same world wide 14:00:50 <Kommer> yeah yeah yeah, but whats that in CET :) 14:00:53 <Kommer> aka, your own time :) 14:01:08 <dihedral> 13:30 CET and 14:30 CEST 14:01:10 <dihedral> :-D 14:01:25 <dihedral> game will be avail at least 10 mins before 14:01:29 <dihedral> but paused 14:01:40 <Sacro> whats that in GMT? 14:01:43 <Sacro> ah @562 14:01:46 <Sacro> thats err.... 14:01:50 * Sacro carries the 1 14:01:55 <Kommer> ah ok, are we gonna do a beta run of the map at the .dev server? 14:01:56 <Sacro> shortly after 12... 14:02:54 <ln-> sounds interesting 14:03:23 <dihedral> we are doing beta run right now 14:03:30 <dihedral> 12.30 Sacro 14:03:45 <Sacro> dihedral: just fixing the grammer :p 14:04:01 <dihedral> we have a bunch of patches in too, to ensure some sanity level, etc http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/World_Wide_OpenTTD_Game_Day/1 14:04:06 <Kommer> dihedral: not with the europe map :) 14:04:13 <Kommer> or is that on the actual server already? 14:04:17 <dihedral> with the europe map 14:04:35 <dihedral> it's the actual wwottdgd server 14:04:53 <Kommer> ok 14:04:57 <Ammller> !openttd commit 11341 14:04:58 <_42_> Commit by glx :: r11341 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_callbacks.h) (2007-10-25 23:24:28 UTC) 14:04:59 <Kommer> which grf pack are we using there? 14:05:00 <_42_> -Codechange: add missing callback ID enums, add stub for house property 20 and reorder unimplemented action 0 properties 14:05:11 <Ammller> AntB: do you need that for your GRF ? 14:05:17 <glx> Ammller: nothing important in this commit 14:05:27 <glx> just more todo stuff 14:05:35 <AntB> nope, don't think so 14:05:37 <Ammller> ok, thanks.. 14:05:40 <dihedral> Kommer: you can find all details in the topic of #wwottdgd 14:05:49 <Sacro> dihedral: page updates 14:05:51 <Kommer> ahh ok 14:05:53 <Kommer> sry 14:05:59 <dihedral> np 14:06:03 <dihedral> Sacro: ?? 14:07:20 <Sacro> dihedral: i corrected the grammer and a few spelling mistakes 14:07:28 <dihedral> nice, thanks 14:07:40 <dihedral> Sacro: will we see you there? tomorrow or sunday? 14:08:17 <Sacro> dihedral: most probably 14:08:25 <Sacro> not climbing tommorow, but i might have to go into work 14:08:48 <dihedral> did you see my move clients patch? 14:09:13 <Sacro> err... yes i belive so 14:11:11 <dihedral> it works like a charm 14:12:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76912.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:16:18 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77C5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:28 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-133-240.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:20:44 <blathijs> Hmm, that's a curious subject for a spam email: "Enjoy your life with the patch" 14:21:02 <dihedral> LOL 14:21:30 <dihedral> i get kernel ones 14:21:38 <dihedral> and patch too in the meantime 14:22:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i never get spam... 14:23:00 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: You think every advertised thing is usefull? :-) 14:23:20 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i really never get spam... 14:27:47 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-150-15.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:31:51 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:13 <fjb> What action is responsible for the building and running costs of a vehicle? 14:39:19 <glx> action 0 14:42:14 <fjb> Thank you. 14:44:27 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6540.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:44:29 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-133-240.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 14:45:30 <fjb> NFO look complicated... 14:45:35 <fjb> looks 14:50:26 * Sacro sits in the office 14:50:27 <Phazorx> question: can autoslope pricing be changed easily? 14:51:16 * fjb sits at home. 14:51:28 *** blue_ [~chatzilla@p54B4FAF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:40 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:51:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 14:52:48 * fjb wishes there would be a NFO assembler, or even better a compiler from something readable to NFO. 14:53:16 <ln-> Bjarni! 14:54:27 <Bjarni> ln-! 14:55:11 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB7631.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:39 <ln-> Bjarni: have a look: http://pastebin.ca/750382 14:56:33 <Phazorx> question: can autoslope pricing be changed easily (currently it equal to terraforming of that tile)? 14:57:19 *** blue_ [~chatzilla@p54B4FAF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:20 <Bjarni> huh? 14:57:50 <Bjarni> how did you manage to break it like that? 14:58:07 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 14:58:35 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6540.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:44 <Bjarni> ohh Leopard 14:58:46 <Bjarni> :( 14:58:52 <ln-> Bjarni: procedure: 1) pre-order Leopard, 2) install Leopard, 3) compile OTTD 14:59:14 <ln-> the unix.cpp error is easy 14:59:21 <hylje> speaking of terraforming, how well would bedrock work with ottd as it is? 14:59:52 <Bjarni> I don't fear unix.cpp 15:00:03 <Bjarni> I fear the cocoa video driver 15:00:52 <Bjarni> but for some reason it failed in the sound driver and not in the video driver as expected :o 15:02:51 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 15:03:17 *** blue__ [~chatzilla@p54B4D149.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:03:35 <Bjarni> ln-: but it works with the precompiled binaries, rigth? 15:03:58 <hylje> who cares about that when one can't compile it 15:04:34 <Bjarni> well 15:04:55 <Bjarni> specially if you can't compile then you want to know 15:05:27 <Bjarni> also if 10.4 binaries works, then a really quick and dirty hack is to fake the compiler to compile for 10.4 (which should work) 15:05:53 <Bjarni> I know we want to solve this the right way, but it could take time to solve that sound issue 15:06:01 <Belugas> Phazorx, look here : http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0GeneralVariables#Cost_base_multipliers_08_ 15:06:25 <Phazorx> Belugas: not realy that 15:06:34 <Phazorx> when you build autosloped rail 15:06:44 <Phazorx> it applies proces of terraforming 15:06:52 <Phazorx> so if i have very high terraforming cost 15:07:01 <Phazorx> buulding rail on slop becomes expensive too 15:07:05 <Belugas> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=BaseCosts 15:07:11 <Phazorx> which is not quite what the idea was 15:07:15 <fjb> Hm, why is OpenTTD often one off when tranlating miles/h to km/h? 15:07:26 <Phazorx> Belugas: been there and which one is pricce for autosloped tile ? 15:07:53 <Belugas> auto slope is not a special building... 15:08:02 <Belugas> it's just a way of building them 15:08:06 <Belugas> therefore... 15:08:18 <Phazorx> Belugas: but tracks build on slopes have proces of terraformed tiles + track 15:08:27 <Belugas> yeah, so? 15:08:37 <Phazorx> <Phazorx> question: can autoslope pricing be changed easily (currently it equal to terraforming of that tile)? 15:08:47 <Phazorx> i want to change it 15:08:55 <Phazorx> so autoslope price is regular 15:09:01 <Phazorx> or based on regular 15:09:07 <ln-> Bjarni: I didn't try with precompiled binaries. 15:09:13 <Phazorx> because technicaly there is no terraforming 15:09:19 <Belugas> ok... let start form beginning... 15:09:23 <Belugas> using gf? 15:09:25 <Belugas> grf? 15:09:28 <Phazorx> Belugas: many 15:09:36 <Bjarni> ln-: would be nice to know the result of such a test :) 15:09:38 <Phazorx> one of which modifies base costs 15:09:38 <hylje> (*cough* coop) 15:09:40 <Belugas> grrrrrr 15:09:44 <Phazorx> and make terraforming very high 15:09:49 <Belugas> using grf method ogf changing cost?? 15:09:58 <Phazorx> Belugas: yes 15:10:02 <Belugas> good 15:10:13 <Belugas> action 0, prop 8 15:10:32 <Phazorx> NewBaseCost = OldBaseCost * 2^(n-8), 15:10:37 <Bjarni> basically I presume that I will be flooded with bug reports within the next few days if it fails and I want to know what people will say so I can quickly declare what the issue is ;) 15:10:59 <Phazorx> Belugas: terraforming has n=18 15:11:03 <Bjarni> I need your work to make it possible to appear like a "know it all developer" 15:11:08 <Phazorx> because we want to have it expensive as hell 15:11:11 <Bjarni> think of how a boss acts :P 15:11:55 <Phazorx> so num 15 is changed with param 18 15:12:22 <Phazorx> and num 01 is not changed and shouid be dafault 15:12:34 <Phazorx> isuues is when you build on slope (autoslope) it does 15 + 01 15:12:40 <Phazorx> so it get's really expensive 15:13:12 <Belugas> openttd.h:255, what do you see? 15:13:33 *** fjb is now known as fjbAWAY 15:13:42 <Phazorx> Money terraform; 15:13:53 <Phazorx> and? 15:13:55 <Belugas> so, what is your next step? 15:13:58 <ln-> Bjarni: gotta try on monday, the leopardified Mac is at work, and i don't work during weekends. 15:14:23 <Phazorx> come here and ask how autoslope behavior can be changed so it does not charge for terraforming theren there is not any ? 15:15:07 <Belugas> forget the name autoslope, please 15:15:21 <Phazorx> okay "building on sloped tiles" 15:15:36 <Belugas> 15 4BB2 250 raise/lower land 15:15:51 <Phazorx> i'm not rising land, i am building tracks 15:15:51 <Belugas> 1 4B3A 100 build track 15:16:02 <Phazorx> yeah Belugas 15:16:06 <Belugas> you ARE if you are using autoslope , fore god sake! 15:16:27 <Phazorx> Belugas: which is why i came ehre , asking how to disable that 15:16:32 <Belugas> so, you have to change BOTH prices if you want autoslope to be changed 15:16:54 <Phazorx> Belugas: i want terraforming costs to be diffrent from slope costs 15:17:01 <Belugas> [11:09] <Phazorx> Belugas: been there and which one is pricce for autosloped tile ? 15:17:09 <Phazorx> where in the src it decided that slope is terraforming 15:17:15 <Belugas> i'ver shonw youy the answer 15:17:34 <Phazorx> Belugas: i am trying to separate terraforming from slope price 15:17:44 <Phazorx> since we use a grf that affects terraforming prices 15:17:52 <Phazorx> and as we learned it also does it for sloped tracks 15:17:55 <Belugas> search yourself... i'm tired of baby feeding 15:17:55 <Phazorx> which is mot desired 15:17:59 <Phazorx> so i am trying to fix that 15:18:47 <Phazorx> Belugas: i know about base costs and grf, what i dont know where these are pallied in the code to sloped tracks, which is the only thing i am asking 15:19:16 <Phazorx> i know how to modify based costs and that is already done, however since sloped tiles are considered terraforming - it lead to undesried effects 15:20:17 *** blue__ [~chatzilla@p54B4D149.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:08 <Belugas> define indesired effects 15:23:39 <dihedral> undesired in this case = people should not be punished for building on slopes, but should fork out a bunch of cash for terraforming 15:23:57 <dihedral> i.e. seing the 2 as separate things 15:24:07 <dihedral> building on slopes = ok, terraforming not ok 15:25:24 <Belugas> simply put, there is no difference, it is based on same price 15:25:32 <dihedral> yes 15:26:04 <Belugas> well... that is the answer to the question too... autoslope is terraforming 15:26:10 <Belugas> therefore, they use same price 15:26:17 <Belugas> cannot be changed 15:26:32 <Belugas> what you guys want, is to STOP the BEHAVIOUR 15:26:35 <dihedral> can i not remove the c/c++ code that states it as terraforming? 15:26:49 <Belugas> not in trunk, for sure 15:27:00 <dihedral> nono 15:27:05 <dihedral> just for wwottdgd 15:27:49 <dihedral> or did you mean the current version in trunk 15:27:56 * dihedral is confuddeld 15:27:58 <dihedral> :-P 15:28:00 <Belugas> i'm not the right person to ask for that, and i doubt there is even the possiblibitly to do so 15:28:08 <dihedral> k 15:28:14 <dihedral> thank you Belugas 15:28:34 <dihedral> really appreciate your feedback even though you are at work 15:29:19 <Belugas> does anyone knows of the easiest way to determine if an heating element is burned out, other than putting your hand on it, of course? 15:29:41 <Belugas> does it have a resistance measurable wih an ohmmeter> 15:29:42 <Belugas> ? 15:29:59 <dihedral> huh 15:30:00 <Belugas> i'm not at work, i'm at home with a broken water boiuler 15:30:02 <dihedral> good question 15:30:09 <dihedral> ouch 15:30:12 <dihedral> now that is a pain 15:30:20 <Phazorx> dihedral: rail_cmd.cpp:284 15:30:31 <Phazorx> 300 actualy 15:30:52 <glx> <@Belugas> i'm not at work, i'm at home with a broken water boiuler <-- I had that once, but it was in summer :) 15:31:13 <dihedral> Phazorx: i'll look at it, will still need the same thing for roads and bridges 15:31:25 <Phazorx> dihedral: it's a start 15:31:26 <dihedral> and buildings (stations) 15:31:51 <dihedral> Phazorx: was a hint for you to go search while i see what i can do here :-) 15:32:08 <Phazorx> i am making a patch of some sort 15:32:40 <dihedral> when is tb coming along to make the bins? 15:32:50 <Phazorx> ~6 15:32:55 <dihedral> shoot 15:32:59 <Phazorx> yup 15:33:19 <dihedral> Phazorx: search for price.terraform 15:33:26 <Phazorx> i did 15:33:28 <dihedral> and all we would need to do is a fraction of that 15:33:41 <dihedral> so devide by the multiplyer we add in the grf :-D 15:34:01 <Phazorx> i'd do sometihng like 2x rail price rather than terraform+rail 15:34:12 <dihedral> do terraform + rail 15:34:26 <dihedral> but terraform / multiplyer in grf (or half the multiplyer) 15:34:26 <Phazorx> that manes 512000 + 70 for us 15:34:43 <Phazorx> what multiplier? 15:34:58 <dihedral> terraforming costs are being modded to 128x right? 15:35:13 <Phazorx> x1024 in the params but that failed 15:35:18 <Phazorx> so it is only x128 15:35:29 <Phazorx> water is x128 which failed to so it is x512 15:35:33 <dihedral> so in line 299 of rail_cmd.cpp 15:35:35 <Phazorx> and ammler thionks it is all okay :) 15:35:57 <dihedral> _price.terraform / 128 15:36:12 <dihedral> Phazorx: we are 3 people all looking at different aspects 15:36:18 <Phazorx> good 15:36:23 <dihedral> that is bound to go over and under 15:36:35 <Phazorx> well ask Ammller to check the grf thing 15:36:51 <Phazorx> cuz costs i have for teraforming do not match the values of params 15:36:57 <Phazorx> that is grf only 15:38:57 <dihedral> Phazorx: you set terraforming to 1024 and calculations seem to be that of 128? 15:39:07 <Phazorx> for terraforming yes 15:39:16 <Phazorx> and for water clearing 512 instead of 128 15:39:25 <Phazorx> or sometihng like that 15:39:46 <Phazorx> dihedral: for slope building i'd rather have it NOT based on terraforming cost at all 15:40:00 <dihedral> it is the easiest for now 15:40:05 <dihedral> and we only have 20 mins 15:40:12 <Phazorx> it isnt easiest 15:40:16 <Phazorx> easiest is like 2x normal 15:40:21 <Phazorx> or 5x 15:40:27 <dihedral> you dont have 2x anything in that method 15:40:51 <dihedral> all that method does is return the terraforming cost or 0 15:40:52 <Phazorx> huh? 15:41:03 <Phazorx> and i can make it return any other proce 15:41:03 <dihedral> CheckRailSlope(... 15:41:11 <dihedral> yes 15:41:17 <dihedral> but 2x what do you want to return 15:41:22 <dihedral> 'what' is not available 15:41:25 <Phazorx> of what it is supopsed to be 15:41:31 <Phazorx> say it is road - so 2x road 15:41:42 <dihedral> ROAD AINT THERE 15:41:43 <Phazorx> so total cost for foundation + road is 3x road 15:41:51 <Phazorx> that matters not 15:41:55 <Phazorx> i know the price 15:41:57 <Phazorx> so i cant use it 15:41:59 <dihedral> look at the code 15:42:08 <Phazorx> so for road foundation i can use proce for road 15:42:09 <dihedral> all it does is check if you build on slope or not 15:42:12 <Phazorx> for track foundation price for track 15:42:14 <Phazorx> etc 15:42:30 <Phazorx> dihedral: that function checks igf you buld rail on slope 15:42:39 <dihedral> what you could do would be to check the method that calles these checks 15:42:46 <Phazorx> so i can put _price.build_rail; 15:42:58 <Phazorx> in other palces where it is road = _price.build_road; 15:43:12 <Phazorx> if it is a station - _price.train_station_track 15:43:15 <Phazorx> and so on 15:43:18 <dihedral> k 15:43:21 <dihedral> go ahead 15:43:30 <dihedral> 15mins to go :-) 15:43:32 <Phazorx> dihedral: but what is the factor 15:44:02 <dihedral> make it 4 or 8 times what is being built 15:46:29 *** fjbAWAY is now known as fjb 15:56:40 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-238-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007100816]] 15:57:31 *** dihedral|away [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 15:57:55 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 16:11:35 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB7631.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^2] 16:22:33 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.72.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:22 *** Kommer [kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:57 <fjb> I have some trouble with grfcodec. I decoded a grf. Encoding from the just decoded data results in lots of warnings about sprites not found an in a broken grf. 16:27:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11343 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Fix[FS#1368]: Autoslope did not work correctly for single track on higher part of steep slopes. (frosch) 16:27:57 <DaleStan> fjb: Exact error messages please. Not necessarily all of them, but exact messages. 16:28:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EB20.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:45 *** Kommer [kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 16:28:46 <fjb> Warning: Sprite 9 reports 4 bytes, but I found 12. 16:28:46 <fjb> Warning: Found sprite 18 looking for sprite 10. 16:28:52 *** lessj5 [t7DS@201.86.22.25.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 16:29:01 <fjb> And many more of that kind. 16:29:56 <lessj5> hey, why "resetengines" is not working like before? =[ 16:30:01 <DaleStan> 1) What version? and 2) Can you paste what you think should be sprites 9 and 10? 16:30:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host180-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:30:13 <Wolf01> hello 16:32:00 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:32:05 <fjb> GRFCodec version 0.9.10 16:32:11 <fjb> Hello Wolf01 16:32:17 <lessj5> how to re-enable old vehicles, like helicopters or old style buses? |= 16:34:16 <fjb> Good question what sprites 9 and 10 are. I'm just a beginner with grfs and sprites. How do I identify them in the nfo file? 16:34:36 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178217136.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: #idlerpg] 16:34:43 <fjb> Is it the first number in front of the *? 16:35:27 <Belugas> yes fjb 16:35:29 <Bjarni> lessj5: type "resetengines" in the terminal but unless you have persistent engines on in your settings they will disappear again 16:37:56 <fjb> Hm, I retried it without touching the data, even not looking at it. Now encoding works. 16:38:11 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:38:25 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-238-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11344 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: 16:38:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Removes some magic numbers referring the highlighting mode in road_gui.cpp 16:38:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Some typos fixed too.(FS#1371-skidd13) 16:39:34 <DaleStan> It sounds to me like the Unixy-absolute-paths bug, in which real sprites turn into single bytes in the preceeding pseudo. Compile a later version from source (svn://svn.ttdpatch.net/misc/grfcodec) or use relative paths instead. 16:40:54 <fjb> Ok, the version that I have has some problems with relative paths, so I used absolut paths. 16:41:18 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7631.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:17 <lessj5> [Bjarni]: i forgot persistent engines. K, thx 16:43:22 *** lessj5 [t7DS@201.86.22.25.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Reserve your copy of The 7 Deadly Sins for the Sony PS2 today!   [www.t7ds.com.br]] 16:49:15 <fjb> make complains about upx not found. But at least there is a new grfcodec: GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r1780 16:50:41 <DaleStan> Ah. Right. make wants upx to build grfdiff. But you don't need it for grfcodec or grfmerge, unless you want the release versions (which are conventional builds, plus strip and upx) 16:56:08 <Ammller> guys, is it bad when "Hunk #4 succeeded at 2442 with fuzz 1." appear on patching? 16:56:55 <Ammller> I mean, what does fuzz 1 mean? 16:57:20 <glx> Ammller: it means it worked 16:57:42 <glx> but it needed to apply an offset 16:58:08 <Ammller> and that: Hunk #5 succeeded at 2508 (offset -1 lines). 16:58:22 <Ammller> I thought, thats the offset thing... 16:58:33 <glx> hmm or maybe it removed a blank line 16:59:27 <fjb> Ammller: you shoud start worrying when it says "failed". :-) 17:00:01 <Ammller> yeah, indeed.. but I wondering about this nice word 17:00:16 <Ammller> at least in my language... 17:01:30 <fjb> DaleStan: Now I also have upx and grfdiff and grfmerge. But grfcodec has still some problems. I decoded the grf and reencoded it. When encoding grfcodec complains: 17:01:35 <fjb> GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r1780 - Copyright (C) 2000-2005 by Josef Drexler 17:01:35 <fjb> Encoding in temporary file /home/frank/DutchTramSetW_r15.new 17:01:35 <fjb> Warning: Found 444 fewer sprites than sprite 0 reports.00%, Redundancy:100%) 17:01:35 <fjb> Sprite 277 Done: 99% Compressed:100% (Transparency:100%, Redundancy:100%) 17:01:35 <fjb> Replacing /home/frank/DutchTramSetW_r15.grf with /home/frank/DutchTramSetW_r15.new 17:01:37 <fjb> Done! 17:05:12 <fjb> Sprite 0 is: 0 * 4 D1 02 00 00 17:06:23 <DaleStan> What's the sprite number of the last sprite in the file? 17:06:28 <Ammller> wow, big code 17:07:27 <fjb> It is: 17:07:27 <fjb> 277 * 45 00 01 12 01 4C 00 88 91 03 14 04 FF 08 A0 13 50 14 50 0F 25 07 0F 11 E8 09 F9 02 20 0A 48 4C 00 17:07:27 <fjb> 00 10 00 0E FF 06 07 12 49 17 90 1C 01 17:09:01 <fjb> The grf is the DutchTramset http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=33180&p=609644#p609644 17:09:44 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.64.214] has joined #openttd 17:12:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:13:18 <dihedral> AntB: 17:13:36 <dihedral> what do you need and what do you have regarding ttrs compat. 17:15:42 <AntB> lord guy says it works 17:15:50 <AntB> with ttrs 17:16:27 <dihedral> yes - we have not managed to get it to work though... 17:16:36 <AntB> just gotta load it before ttrs by the looks of it 17:16:55 <dihedral> we are not using default buildings 17:18:53 <AntB> he used ttrs 0 0 0 0 with party square... 17:20:48 <Phazorx> AntB: old or couurent grf? 17:20:54 <Phazorx> old one before/after did not work 17:22:43 <fjb> DaleStan: Maybe the problem starts with decoding the grf. grfcodec says: 17:22:47 <fjb> GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r1780 - Copyright (C) 2000-2005 by Josef Drexler 17:22:47 <fjb> Decoding: 17:22:47 <fjb> /usr/local/share/games/openttd/data/DutchTramSetW_r15.grf has 278 sprites, maxx 0, maxy 0, maxs 0. 17:23:17 <fjb> The maxx 0, maxy 0, maxs 0 look strange. 17:24:37 <AntB> hes got the old one working 17:25:03 <AntB> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=34514&start=80 17:28:39 <Phazorx> somwething is wrong 17:28:53 <Phazorx> what is the year of that SS? 17:29:01 <Phazorx> cuz 0 means follow timeline 17:29:55 <AntB> doesn't say 17:30:59 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 17:37:52 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 17:41:49 <fjb> When decoding the grf using the latest grfcodec from svn the pcx file contains only the sprite numbers, not the sprite pictures. 17:43:39 <DaleStan> Is that the original, or the one you encoded when you got all the warning messages? 17:44:52 *** qkr [~qkr@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe18fa00-70.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 17:45:03 <fjb> Ups, good point. I have to recheck that. I'm getting confused... 17:46:51 <fjb> It was the broken grf. Thank you. 17:47:28 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:48:20 <fjb> The new grfcodec is working. :-) 17:49:46 <fjb> Now get prepared for my questions about the actions of the NFO file... 17:51:29 <fjb> My first modification is working. 17:57:44 <fjb> I'm dividing the building costs in the tram grf by the factor that George used as multiplier in his Long Vehicles. 18:10:39 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 18:15:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:16:43 *** blue_ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db37b0e.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 18:17:16 <AntB> gotta work, cya later 18:17:21 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.64.214] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 18:22:51 <fjb> I'm having usable trams now. :-) Thank you, especially DaleStan, for your help. 18:23:27 <hylje> *tram bzzt* 18:23:39 <hylje> hmm, wtf sounds do trains in general make 18:23:45 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-160-233.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:23:45 <hylje> steam trains say choochoo 18:23:53 <hylje> (locomotives, silly) 18:24:30 <dihedral> Rubidium / Belugas / Bjarni or any other admin... would it be possible for you to make wwottdgd.openttd.org for us? 18:25:01 <Maedhros> chances are good that you missed the only person who can; i.e. TrueBrain :p 18:25:02 <hylje> worldwide.openttd.org 18:25:13 <Phazorx> well shorter is better 18:25:18 <fjb> Trams are fun, no matter what sound they make. :-) 18:25:27 <Phazorx> and ottd.openttd/org is kinda repetative 18:25:35 <hylje> Phazorx: redundancy is kinda bad 18:25:52 <hylje> Phazorx: and a katchy TLA or a single world are great, too 18:26:02 <Phazorx> all for that 18:26:13 <Phazorx> but let's figure out with openttd.org can and want to do it 18:26:18 <Phazorx> then we can brainstorm the name 18:28:01 *** Leviath [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:28:01 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28:04 <hylje> the name, the game, you just lost it 18:28:17 <Phazorx> ? 18:28:24 <dihedral> ? 18:37:11 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:03 * fjb is happy about his new trams. 18:41:55 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:30 <Ammller> fjb: what was the problem? 18:42:44 <Ammller> I mean, why had you to change the tramset? 18:46:17 <Ammller> http://wwottdgd.ammler.ch 18:46:24 <Ammller> oh sorry 18:46:28 <Ammller> wrong channel 18:50:02 <fjb> Ammller: Yes, I devided all costs by 8 to make it compatible with Long Vehicles 4. 18:50:15 <fjb> Now the trams make money. 18:50:24 <fjb> And they are fun to watch. 18:53:18 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest23 18:53:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.13.70.245] has joined #openttd 18:54:11 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 18:55:21 <Ammller> fjb: running costs? 18:55:43 <fjb> Yes, running cost an building cost. 18:55:57 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest24 18:55:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host64-237-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:56:27 <Ammller> hmm, you should post this version to the forum... 18:56:55 <fjb> Don't know if the original author would like that. 18:57:01 <Ammller> hmm, maybe a seperate grf, which changes only this... 18:57:18 <Ammller> its still in development 18:57:38 <Ammller> I guess, they didn't thought about using it with 4lv yet 18:58:48 <Ammller> hmm, a separate grf would be easy, just diff nfos, possible? 18:58:53 <fjb> The licence doesn't allow me to post a modified version. I just looked at it. 18:59:11 *** Guest23 [~wolf01@host180-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:40 <Ammller> is he allowed to use such a licence? 18:59:56 <fjb> The authors are aware of the problem with LV4. 19:00:46 <fjb> Ofcourse he is allowed to use such a licence. As least I don't know any reason that would not allow him to. 19:01:02 <fjb> Ammller: Did you try the Dutch Tramset? 19:01:16 <Ammller> not now, but I am on it... 19:01:30 <fjb> And you use Long Vehicles 4? 19:01:38 <Ammller> I like that too, yes 19:01:51 *** Guest24 [~wolf01@87.13.70.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:55 *** Ouranogrammi [~arkoudaki@athedsl-265504.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 19:04:51 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-133-240.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: brb] 19:05:53 <fjb> I just made a diff of the modified NFO. I could send that diff to you. 19:06:18 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest26 19:06:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host163-237-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:09:31 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest27 19:09:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host189-17-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:12:31 *** Guest26 [~wolf01@host64-237-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:54 <Ouranogrammi> can i "readvertise" my network game, because i run a dedicated linux server but my internet connection is dynamic so mi IP changes every one or two days? 19:13:40 <Ouranogrammi> i do have a DNS that updates every time IP changes, can i use make clients use DNS instead? 19:15:17 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:50 *** Guest27 [~wolf01@host163-237-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:48 <Belugas> Wolf01, can you explain me why the ToggleTransparencies function does not toggle signs? what was the objective? 19:17:44 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has joined #openttd 19:20:46 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-133-240.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 19:23:30 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host189-17-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:04 <Rubidium> Ouranogrammi: it is done automatically every 15 minutes 19:41:25 *** Ouranogrammi [~arkoudaki@athedsl-265504.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-153-174.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:00:21 *** blue__ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db3794d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:05:07 *** blue_ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db37b0e.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:45 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-233-14.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:12:45 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:38 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-233-14.netcologne.de] has quit [] 20:15:42 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-133-240.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:46 *** pecisk [~pecisk@78.84.139.234] has joined #openttd 20:31:00 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-164-159.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:32:58 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-164-159.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11345 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp unmovable_cmd.cpp): -Cleanup: a bit of comment style fixing 20:45:30 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:45:30 *** Leviath [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11346 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf.h): -Codechange: Add marker has_newwater to the loaded grf features. Not in used yet. 20:48:45 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i smell a feature arising 20:49:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host205-62-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:50:28 <Wolf01> hello again 20:51:02 <Eddi|zuHause> oh grandmother, why do you have such big eyes? 20:51:29 <Wolf01> because i want to see you better 20:52:03 <Eddi|zuHause> oh grandmother, why do you have such big hands? 20:52:46 <Wolf01> because i want to touch you better 20:53:14 <Eddi|zuHause> oh grandmother, why do you have such a big mouth? 20:53:40 <Wolf01> because i'm yawning :OOO 20:55:03 <Bjarni> hmm... no sexual reference.... is this really the internet? 20:55:27 <Wolf01> no but... follow the white rabbit 20:55:36 <Bjarni> where is it? 20:55:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11347 /trunk/src/water_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: use marker loaded grf feature has_newwater when it is required. (more to come) 20:55:53 <Bjarni> ahh 20:55:54 <Bjarni> there 20:55:54 <Wolf01> on your right, there, on the left 20:56:01 <Belugas> in his hole, of course 20:56:12 <Belugas> Wolf01, can you explain me why the ToggleTransparencies function does not toggle signs? what was the objective? 20:56:15 <Bjarni> you mean I have to aim for the hole? 20:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't have alice-dsl 20:56:30 <Wolf01> belugas, peter 1138 wanted so 20:56:46 <Belugas> ha... 20:56:54 <Belugas> good enough of a reason to me ;) 20:56:57 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:50 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't have alice-dsl <-- I think if you eat mushrooms then you will automatically get this 20:58:00 <Bjarni> I can't say I recommend doing so... 20:58:04 <Bjarni> it could be unstable 20:58:09 <Belugas> gimmegimmegimmegimme! 20:58:15 <hylje> ooo wut? 20:59:00 <ln-> egladil: do you have ideas? 20:59:41 <egladil> hum? about what? 20:59:47 <ln-> about.... 20:59:51 <Bjarni> the game 21:00:03 <hylje> you just lost it 21:00:04 <ln-> ... this: http://pastebin.ca/750382 21:00:16 <ln-> (that's on Leopard) 21:00:19 <Bjarni> oh right 21:00:20 <Bjarni> that 21:00:40 <ln-> and the unix.cpp error is an easy fix. 21:01:43 <egladil> leopard breaks the sounddriver? 21:01:50 *** blue___ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db379d2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:01:51 <Bjarni> what surprises me the most is that the sound driver fails while the video driver works o_O 21:02:12 <egladil> :p 21:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't all the Cocoa stuff deprecated anyway? 21:02:28 <Bjarni> no 21:02:34 <Bjarni> only the fullscreen video driver 21:02:41 <Rubidium> isn't leopard already deprecated? 21:02:51 <Bjarni> and that's why I'm surprised that it still works 21:02:58 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: i doubt Cocoa stuff has ever been deprecated. 21:03:10 <ln-> rather QuickDraw or something. 21:03:15 <Bjarni> <Rubidium> isn't leopard already deprecated? <-- officially it came out today at 18:00 (our time) 21:03:30 <Bjarni> but some preordered DVDs arrived early 21:03:31 <ln-> Bjarni: and 18:00 our time, and 18:00 american time. 21:03:42 <Rubidium> Bjarni: I know 21:03:53 <ln-> Rubidium: it's vista 2.0, it's not deprecated. 21:04:20 <Rubidium> hope it's not vista 2.0 21:04:37 <Rubidium> gives me yet another reason NOT to buy a mac 21:04:45 <egladil> it's not 21:05:05 <ln-> in the sense that it introduces the new features that vista 2.0 will have after 7 years. 21:05:10 <Rubidium> and it looks like wireless is worse with leopard (or so is the experience of my brother) 21:05:45 <Bjarni> worse... how? 21:05:55 <Bjarni> worse signal strength? 21:05:57 <Rubidium> from good coverage -> bad coverage 21:06:09 <Bjarni> odd 21:06:18 <Rubidium> like being able to internet in the living room to not being able to internet in the living room 21:06:55 <ln-> hmmm, actually i think i heard something like that from #somewhere else, too. 21:07:07 *** blue__ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db3794d.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:07 <Bjarni> I fear Apple rushed it a bit too much 21:07:20 <ln-> which, in turn, implies that it's a known problem and will get fixed hopefully soon. 21:08:22 <LeviathNL> does http://hg.openttd.org:8000/svn/trunk.hg/ not update anymore :S ? 21:08:48 <Rubidium> ln-: Apple made their iconv bug-for-bug compatible with GNU/GLibc? 21:08:53 <Bjarni> it looks stalled somehow 21:09:12 <Bjarni> iconv bug-for-bug? 21:09:13 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-233-14.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 21:09:17 <Rubidium> LeviathNL: looks like that yeah, don't know why though 21:09:21 <ln-> Rubidium: probably added the const. 21:09:30 <Rubidium> ln-: rather removed the const 21:09:45 <ln-> oh. that way. mmm'kay 21:09:45 <Rubidium> as non-const -> const conversions do not give errors 21:10:26 <Bjarni> the only issue I had with iconv was the one from fink. I reported the issue and they fixed it in their 1.11 update 21:10:27 <hylje> this should be what toyland (foodland?) should be like: http://zip.4chan.org/tg/src/1193432329894.gif 21:10:34 <Rubidium> and if you read the comment a few lines before the iconv in unix.cpp you can read that it should be const char* and not char* 21:12:16 *** blue___ is now known as bluebear 21:14:05 <Rubidium> just as Windows is still bug-for-bug compatible with a design choice in MS DOS 0 (or something like that) 21:15:36 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78869.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:16:35 <ln-> Bjarni: the Xcode tools 3 (still under NDA!!) include subversion, btw, and it is no longer necessary to install that from fink. 21:16:48 <ln-> (Xcode 3 only for Leopard) 21:17:18 <Bjarni> nice 21:17:53 <Bjarni> is Xcode 3 so cool that you "want to make bugs to work with the debugger"? 21:18:08 <Bjarni> somehow I don't think I want to make bugs nomatter how great the debugger is :P 21:18:33 <ln-> actually i couldn't find the backtrace of an aborted program, but... 21:18:55 <ln-> but i was about to go home from work and didn't have time or interest to look further. 21:19:07 <Bjarni> sounds reasonable 21:20:54 <Rubidium> LeviathNL: can't update the git/hg myself; tried, but don't have enough rights. Looks like only TrueBrain can do it. 21:21:11 <Bjarni> ln-: what version of fontconfig is installed in Leopard? If you check the configure output then it will tell you 21:21:32 <Bjarni> I presume that you didn't check this, so it's a task for you to do when you get back to the computer ;) 21:21:45 <ln-> i have ssh access to it right now. 21:21:59 <Bjarni> nice 21:22:10 <Bjarni> ssh should be enough for configure 21:22:29 <ln-> executing pkg-config fontconfig --modversion returned exit code 127 21:22:29 <ln-> checking libfontconfig... not found 21:22:43 <Bjarni> that looks... wrong 21:23:21 <Bjarni> checking libfontconfig... needs at least version 2.3.0, fontconfig NOT enabled <-- this is what I get because Tiger comes with 2.1.0 21:32:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r11348 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix (r11049): [OSX] killed a warning (don't ask why only OSX showed this one) 21:34:38 <ln-> what warning? 21:34:56 <Bjarni> src/vehicle_gui.cpp:1483: warning: control may reach end of non-void function 'bool IsVehicleServiceIntervalEnabled(VehicleType)' being inlined 21:35:37 <ln-> maybe it's a warning patched by apple? 21:35:41 <ln-> into gcc 21:35:43 <Bjarni> it will always trigger a return before the last line, but the compiler can't figure that out 21:35:57 <Bjarni> it's a switch-case 21:36:12 <Bjarni> yeah Apple changed some stuff in gcc 21:36:16 <Bjarni> we already noticed 21:36:34 <Bjarni> at one time I got some perfectly valid warnings, but I was the only one to get them 21:36:51 <Bjarni> but in this case the warning was false alarm 21:37:08 <Ailure> mm warnings 21:37:20 <Bjarni> now I'm back to 0 warnings 21:37:37 <Ailure> reminds me about when I was having a school project with firmware programming 21:37:47 <Ailure> we used lots of code for operating system that wasn't ours 21:37:57 <Ailure> the operating system had a quite few errors 21:37:57 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-180-205.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:38:02 <Ailure> and from what I gather, it probably would been trival to fix them too 21:38:14 <Ailure> but it wasn't my code either way so I never bothered to touch it 21:38:20 <Bjarni> heh 21:38:41 <ln-> /Users/lauri/Softa/openttd/src/music/qtmidi.cpp: In function 'void SetMIDITypeIfNeeded(const FSSpec*)': 21:38:44 <ln-> /Users/lauri/Softa/openttd/src/music/qtmidi.cpp:92: warning: 'FSpMakeFSRef' is deprecated (declared at /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/Files.h:7477) 21:38:54 <Ailure> most warnings I gotten caused my own source code 21:38:57 <Ailure> was silly things like 21:39:01 <Ailure> "no newline at end of file" 21:39:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-153-174.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:18 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 21:39:42 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 21:40:07 <Ailure> ok, going to get some needed sleep 21:40:33 <ln-> Bjarni: another warning: 21:40:33 <Bjarni> at one time during a lecture a professor talked about how some people see C as "write only" language because once it's written nobody understands it. Then he put an example code on the projector and says that we had to use code kind of like this for the excises and talks about why it works. Then I said "you have an overflow in the line saying..." 21:40:34 <ln-> /Users/lauri/Softa/openttd/src/os/macosx/splash.cpp: In function 'void DisplaySplashImage()': 21:40:38 <ln-> /Users/lauri/Softa/openttd/src/os/macosx/splash.cpp:150: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions 21:40:41 <Bjarni> so much for "write only" :P 21:41:47 <Bjarni> <Ailure> "no newline at end of file" <-- this is actually not a silly warning. Old compilers can't handle the code if it's missing due to how compilers works. Modern compilers tend to detect this and add the newline themselves 21:42:06 <Ailure> I meant 21:42:13 <Ailure> warnings that would be trivial to fix 21:42:21 <Ailure> I assumed it was something parser-related 21:42:38 <Ailure> so it was something I winded up fixing anyway 21:42:51 <Ailure> so even old C compilers would compile it 21:43:31 <Bjarni> basically the compiler reads the source file char by char and once it reaches } and is done, it's done. The problem is that it can't read a char before the next char is in the input buffer 21:44:07 <Ailure> ah 21:44:09 <Ailure> heh 21:44:27 <Ailure> but how old C-compilers are we talking about here anyway 21:44:41 <Ailure> I can imagine it was a common problem amongst newbies to forget that newline :P 21:45:15 <Bjarni> gcc 4 has this issue, but they added the ability to check for a trailing newline and add it if missing 21:45:38 <Bjarni> basically all the compilers has this issue. The question is if it's able to detect this and add it on it's own 21:46:05 <Bjarni> ln-: yeah... now I get this warning too... I wonder how that one started to appear.... 21:46:07 <Ailure> heh 21:46:13 <Ailure> anyway, i'm going to sleep now for real. 21:46:21 <Bjarni> in your dreams 21:46:45 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:47:59 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:25 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:53:42 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:00:42 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:08 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:06:20 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-160-233.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:06:45 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78869.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EB20.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:30 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 22:27:24 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause> <Bjarni> now I'm back to 0 warnings <-- "time to target the real errors now" ;) 22:41:06 <Phazorx> hmm... where is the color which is used by spectators and server are defined? 22:44:23 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-150-15.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:45:51 <Wolf01> 'night 22:46:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host205-62-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:47:41 *** pecisk [~pecisk@78.84.139.234] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:48:16 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7631.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 22:59:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EB20.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:39:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-180-205.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:59:35 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N938P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd