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00:13:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11431 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_engine.cpp train_cmd.cpp vehicle.h): -Codechange: [NewGRF] Add support for changing rail vehicle user-defined bit mask (prop 25) via callback 36
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00:19:19  <SmatZ> bye
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00:43:19  <SmatZ> back :)
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01:51:40  <slafs_> I remember having heard of a project to make a php interface to dedicated openttd servers. I want to find it again and use it, anyone know what the project is called or where to find more information?
01:53:14  <slafs_> Ah, now I found OpenTTDLib on tt-forums :)
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02:15:04  <DaleStan> <Rubidium> would it be a problem (for TTDP) when I use the 7th bit of the Action 5 type to tell whether there is an extra byte with offset from where to start replacing sprites <-- I'm not sure I understand the question. But I'll make some stabs: (1) Some action 5 blocks may have sprite offsets that do not fit in a byte. (2) Patch stores only the first sprite and the count for Action 5 blocks, so the blocks must be contiguous. T
02:15:04  <DaleStan> hat said, (3) Patch will do something well defined when encountering such a sprite: Error out.
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02:15:29  <DaleStan> Does that answer the question?
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07:42:21  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11432 /extra/ottd_grf/ (28 files in 2 dirs): -Add: source files used to create the (New)GRF files that will be used for OTTD version from r11433 and 0.6.
07:42:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11433 /trunk/ (29 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
07:42:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: starting OpenTTD with DOS files made it look weird out of the box.
07:42:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Change: make extra sprites (the ones not in the TTD GRFs) replaceable using Action 5.
07:42:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: make replacing contiguous subsets of sprites in for some types possible in Action 5.
07:42:38  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Note to GRF authors: when you replaced OpenTTD sprites that are not from the TTD
07:42:38  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: GRF files using Action A, your GRF will not have the intended result anymore as
07:42:40  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: the sprite numbers have changed. You should replace the Action A with an Action
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08:52:02  <dihedral> morning
08:56:18  <dihedral> you quite bunch!
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09:08:11  <mikk36|work> hey ;(
09:08:13  <mikk36|work> :)*
09:08:33  <mikk36|work> what is the latest version of autopilot ?
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09:21:59  <dihedral> mikk36|work: there is a release version 2.0.4 and a svn version
09:22:05  <dihedral> i would suggest you go for the svn one
09:22:20  <mikk36|work> link maybe ?
09:22:21  <dihedral> there is information in the forums if you search for autopilot
09:22:33  <dihedral> http://tt-forums.net :-)
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10:04:24  <Sacro> rawr
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10:11:57  * dihedral pats Sacro on the head
10:12:08  <Sacro> :)
10:14:27  <dihedral> Sacro: you play other games too?
10:14:42  <Sacro> dihedral: yep
10:16:57  <dihedral> ET?
10:17:45  <dihedral> or are you only into strategy :-P
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10:23:24  <Sacro> what is ET?
10:25:40  <mikk36|work> enemy territory
10:26:12  <Sacro> ah, never played it
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10:41:57  <Sacro> oh noes
10:42:39  <Sacro> I had a strange friend who said he had dug a hole and filled it with water.
10:42:39  <Sacro> I thought to myself, "he means well."
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10:47:33  <dihedral> :-)
10:47:40  <dihedral> Sacro: http://pub.dihedral.de/ET
10:47:56  <Sacro> ahh sweet
10:48:31  <dihedral> :-)
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10:53:08  <dihedral> hello :-)
10:53:11  <skidd13> Hi
10:55:55  <dihedral> Rubidium: regarding the posts i was refering to yesterday late afternoon: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=641568#p641568
10:56:10  <dihedral> dont think i could get more to the point
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11:36:49  <dihedral> wb Ammller  :-)
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13:09:10  <ln-> ping
13:09:29  <dihedral> pong
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15:03:07  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r11434 /trunk/src/lang/finnish.txt: -Fix: fixed a string in finnish (suggested by ln-)
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15:18:45  <Gonozal_VIII> should alpine climate work with r11430?
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15:20:28  <Rubidium> alpine climate?
15:21:02  <Gonozal_VIII> the grf
15:21:05  <LeviathNL> Gonozal_VIII, yes
15:21:15  <Rubidium> the one that has snow in temperate?
15:21:20  <Gonozal_VIII> yes
15:22:07  <Rubidium> don't think it will do snow in temperate, because that is AFAIAA not implemented
15:22:36  <Gonozal_VIII> ah... i see
15:22:45  <Gonozal_VIII> thanks
15:22:56  <Rubidium> but then again, I can be wrong
15:23:03  <frosch123> but alpine runs a top of subartic, not temperate
15:23:23  <dihedral> should work
15:24:08  <Belugas> try ti :)
15:24:10  <Rubidium> then why has it green grass in the grfcrawler entry?
15:24:11  <Belugas> it
15:24:11  <Gonozal_VIII> didn't look if subarctic changed...
15:24:28  <Gonozal_VIII> but have to leave now, that will have to wait some hours
15:25:17  <dihedral> Rubidium: it does that
15:25:41  <dihedral> it will actually let the snow dissapear in spring and let it snow again at the end of the year
15:26:12  <dihedral> and it _only_ works in a sub arctic (hilly) climate
15:26:20  <Rubidium> in that case Gonozal_VIII should've been able to see a difference in subarctic
15:26:29  <dihedral> yes
15:26:45  <dihedral> i have had no issues with it when i tried it
15:27:09  <dihedral> but i did not try it with that rev
15:27:14  <dihedral> hence i sais 'should' work
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16:22:07  <SmatZ> hallo
16:22:41  <LeviathNL> hi
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17:50:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11435 /trunk/src/ (38 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: show all players who have shares, not just the first two. Patch by SmatZ.
17:55:03  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11437 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Change: when sorting stations by cargo sum, only sum the cargos that are selected in the filter. Patch by divide.
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18:00:17  <oh> does anyone here run the os x nightlies?
18:00:20  <Wolf01> hello
18:01:02  <Ammler> oh: depense, ppc has dihedral and Osai
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18:01:21  <oh> the intel ones that is
18:02:01  <Ammler> oh and if you have a question about, just ask...
18:02:01  <Rubidium> what's the problem?
18:02:03  <oh> I just get the following in terminal; -bash: ./openttd: cannot execute binary file
18:02:20  <oh> and I'm not sure what I've done wrong ;)
18:02:23  <Rubidium> it's an application bundle
18:02:27  <Rubidium> something OSX specific
18:02:40  <Rubidium> you probably have to cd into the bundle first and find the real binary
18:02:48  <oh> yeah, that's the binary
18:03:10  <Rubidium> what version?
18:03:17  <Rubidium> of OSX that is
18:03:18  <oh> ottd.app/Contents/MacOS/openttd --- any nightly I've tried so far
18:03:20  <oh> 10.5
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18:04:04  <Rubidium> Leopard isn't quite supported yet
18:04:17  <Rubidium> Apple did break a lot in that release
18:04:39  <Rubidium> though there's a bugreport at bugs.openttd.org about it which might have useful information for you
18:04:47  <oh> ah.. I run 0.5.3 fine, but I guess you lot have switched alot around ;P
18:04:55  <oh> cool, I'll check it out :)
18:05:17  <Rubidium> could also be that the binaries from the nightly server aren't 10.5 compatible
18:06:18  <oh> guess I'll have to attempt a compile myself then
18:06:22  <oh> cheers for the help :)
18:07:49  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11438 /trunk/src/landscape.cpp: -Change: do not create shores in canyons. Based on a patch by LeviathNL.
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18:18:54  <Wolf01> mmmh.. peter1138 m.i.a. ... truebrain retired... celestar disappeared... any chance to have massive changes to openttd now? (i'm talking about the economy balance project and some other ideas)
18:20:25  <hylje> rubidium, belugas, frosch..
18:21:11  <Wolf01> me O_O
18:21:11  * Wolf01 hides
18:22:01  <hylje> im also looking to research c++ a bit, possibly some patches will be sent
18:22:17  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11439 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp viewport.h window.h): -Codechange: replace some magic numbers by a ViewportPlaceMethod enumified constant. Patch by SmatZ.
18:22:27  * Wolf01 is now more motivated to continue the brickland climate!
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18:23:22  <hylje> yay!
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18:28:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11440 /trunk/src/ (16 files): -Codechange: replace magic numbers with enumified WindowHighlightMode constants. Patch by SmatZ.
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18:43:48  <Belugas> thanks Born_Acorn
18:44:42  <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd )
18:44:42  <Gonozal_VIII> !logs
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18:49:27  <Gonozal_VIII> ok, alpine works :-) just didn't expect it to be in subarctic
18:56:51  <Gonozal_VIII> 44 different industries O_o
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19:19:17  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11441 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#1443]: manage list dropdown menu did not "disappear" when the all vehicles are removed from the "current" group.
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19:20:42  <Belugas> teething, for a british, means what exactly?
19:23:20  <Gonozal_VIII> <-- not british but i think he was referring to problems with a new version... like a baby that needs much care because it's teething
19:23:53  <Gonozal_VIII> and he broke the table
19:24:25  <Gonozal_VIII> ah.. wrokg thread
19:24:34  <Gonozal_VIII> -k+n
19:25:35  <Belugas> no, not that meaning.  Like in the sentence "a teething audio mixer", "a teething guitar" etc...
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19:26:32  <Gonozal_VIII> that doesn't make sense for me...
19:27:15  <Belugas> thus me asking ;)
19:28:28  <Wolf01> i think is when you have a faulty instrument which makes nasty sounds when you play it
19:29:25  * Belugas is gone. Thanks for help, Wolf01
19:29:42  <Wolf01> or maybe it have something other meaning, but i need a full sentence to know it
19:29:53  <Wolf01> *some
19:30:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> <Belugas> no, not that meaning.  Like in the sentence "a teething audio mixer", "a teething guitar" etc... <-- err... i was more expecting something about children getting their teeth...
19:31:24  <Rubidium> teething ring is a correct word and means a ring shaped piece of rubber where teething children chew on, so maybe it's an audio mixer/guitar where young children can chew on
19:31:44  <Gonozal_VIII> ^^
19:32:23  <SmatZ> in UK, childer love to chew guitars
19:32:32  <SmatZ> *children
19:33:05  <Gonozal_VIII> i think wolf could be right
19:38:58  <SmatZ> http://88.146.45.107/ttd/32x.png a game at 32x zoom-out
19:40:16  <Gonozal_VIII> and without pause?
19:40:24  <Gonozal_VIII> does that work?
19:41:01  <SmatZ> well... it is very slow
19:41:06  <SmatZ> but nice to look at :)
19:43:04  <Gonozal_VIII> should disable all those little animations that you don't see anyways
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20:29:03  <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/download.php?id=81370 what do you think?
20:29:27  <SmatZ> nice
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20:46:31  <LeviathNL> nice Wolf01
20:48:00  <Wolf01> thank you :)
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20:49:21  <Gonozal_VIII> yes... nice... but toyland...
20:49:24  <Gonozal_VIII> ^^
20:50:54  <Wolf01> now is toyland, tomorrow it will be brickland!
20:51:15  <Eddi|zuHause2> 1. Brickland
20:51:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> 2. ???
20:51:20  <Eddi|zuHause2> 3. Profit
20:51:24  <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe
20:51:37  <Gonozal_VIII> underpants gnomes :D
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20:53:45  <bananafly> Is it possible to replace the intro loop thingy
20:53:55  <Gonozal_VIII> yes
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20:54:05  <Gonozal_VIII> it's just a normal savegame
20:54:27  <Gonozal_VIII> opntitle.dat in the data folder
20:54:29  <bananafly> How?
20:54:32  <bananafly> ok
20:54:34  <bananafly> thanks
20:54:35  <Gonozal_VIII> rename it to .sav and load
20:54:37  <Wolf01> why profit? i'm doing this for the community, to have a full replacement for a scenery that nobody will redraw.. call it "the beginning of original graphics replacement project"
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20:55:06  <Gonozal_VIII> he was talking about southpark season 2 episode 17
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21:15:06  <ln-> Bjarni: o/
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21:24:02  <Bjarni> I see that you are happy to see me
21:24:36  <Gonozal_VIII> yay bjarni *jumps around in triangles*
21:24:50  <Gonozal_VIII> better? :-)
21:26:49  <Bjarni> sucking up will not make me commit your requests :P
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21:27:27  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe, didn't request anything
21:27:49  <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: request bugs from Bjarni
21:27:54  <Bjarni> but you want to when you feel like your sucking up works
21:28:25  <Bjarni> bug requests.... if they are intentional then they will not be bugs
21:28:41  <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm
21:28:53  <Rubidium> well, if Gonozal_VIII requests them from you, you will not commit them
21:28:58  <Bjarni> it could be crashes and such but if I made them intentionally then it wouldn't fit the definition of a bug
21:29:00  <Rubidium> which is the whole point
21:29:02  <ln-> Bjarni: does this thing called "OpenTTD" compile for you currently?
21:29:03  <Gonozal_VIII> then you just have to fake a request for every bug you find and you are fine ;-)
21:29:38  <Bjarni> ln-: maybe... do you have a problem?
21:29:57  <Rubidium> ln-: probably has Leopard
21:29:58  <Bjarni> I mean game related... I don't want to hear about some girl you can't get :P
21:30:30  * ln- has Leopard at work, yes
21:30:35  <ln-> and that's what i was compiling on
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21:30:55  <Bjarni> we have yet to solve all leopard issues
21:31:03  <ln-> linking failed due to /usr/lib/libfreetypesomething and another file not found
21:31:14  <Bjarni> the fact that I'm too cheap to invest in leopard at the moment doesn't help in solving the issues
21:31:21  <ln-> Bjarni: but it used to compile and work at one point!
21:31:23  <Rubidium> ln-: look at the bugs.openttd.org for more information about leopard
21:31:54  <Bjarni> yeah somebody already reported an issue with x11 freetype or something in leopard
21:31:57  <Rubidium> there's one comment that tells you how you can make it work (IIRC)
21:32:11  <ln-> why has someone broken it?
21:32:11  <Bjarni> using the tiger version of that lib solved it
21:32:33  <Bjarni> <ln-> why has someone broken it? <-- I don't know
21:32:41  <Gonozal_VIII> leopard, tiger, wtf?
21:32:45  <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: animals
21:32:51  <Bjarni> I don't think I would release leopard in the state that it's in right now
21:32:52  <Gonozal_VIII> :-)
21:33:01  <Bjarni> I hope that 10.5.1 will be better
21:33:06  <Bjarni> or I will stay with tiger
21:33:14  <ln-> Bjarni: 10.4.11 out, btw
21:33:21  <Bjarni> I noticed
21:33:22  <Gonozal_VIII> german tanks :-)
21:33:33  <ln-> also 10.5.1 is out
21:33:49  <Bjarni> I didn't notice that
21:34:01  <ln-> at least a topic on one channel claims so
21:34:37  <ln-> Bjarni: but wtf, i compiled it, ran it today, on Leopard, no local changes; then i said "svn up" and it wouldn't link anymore.
21:34:59  <ln-> NOT FUNNY
21:35:23  <Gonozal_VIII> so you broke it with svn up
21:35:29  <Bjarni> Flash (YouTube, etc.) broken under Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) <-- wtf
21:36:02  <ln-> none of you would have any limbs left if Tron was a Leopard user and was still here.
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21:37:13  <Bjarni> but you used to be able to compile?
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21:37:50  <Rubidium> ln-: first of all, Tron would then made sure that it worked before Leopard would be released. He would also properly reimplement the whole video/music backend stuff to match the API. But then again, the likelihood that Tron will use OSX seems virtually 0
21:38:03  <ln-> Bjarni: yes
21:39:03  <Bjarni> hmm
21:39:45  <ln-> Bjarni: i even ran it in fullscreen mode, and it worked.  (all this at work, yes)
21:39:55  <Bjarni> maybe going back to an earlier version will make it compile...
21:40:04  <Bjarni> for all we know the 10.5.1 update killed it
21:40:17  <ln-> but i did not install 10.5.1
21:40:27  <ln-> it wasn't available earlier today
21:40:37  <Bjarni> ok
21:40:41  <Bjarni> hmm
21:40:43  <Bjarni> weird
21:40:53  <ln-> in fact, i didn't install any updates between the state where i could compile and the state where i couldn't.
21:41:21  <Bjarni> that makes it hard to blame something else :(
21:43:41  <Bjarni> but then I will return to the statement that some revision breaks it
21:44:06  <Rubidium> so now it's ln-'s turn again ;)
21:45:15  <ln-> ok, i'm remotely waking up the computer right now...
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21:47:58  <dihedral> hello
21:48:51  <Bjarni> ln-: disabling the need for the lib in question should also do it (even though that wouldn't be the right solution)
21:49:06  <ln-> Bjarni: what's the configure script for if it doesn't do it for me?
21:49:16  <ln-> with current revision:
21:49:16  <ln-> i686-apple-darwin9-g++-4.0.1: /usr/X11/lib/libpng.a: No such file or directory
21:49:16  <ln-> i686-apple-darwin9-g++-4.0.1: /usr/X11/lib/libfreetype.a: No such file or directory
21:49:37  <Bjarni> hmm
21:50:13  <Bjarni> well
21:50:24  <Bjarni> try to disable the need for those two libs and see if it compiles
21:50:32  <ln-> why the hell is it trying to link statically anyway?
21:51:02  <Bjarni> that is actually a pretty good question
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21:52:07  <Bjarni> ln-: ./configure --disable-static
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21:52:13  <Bjarni> try that one
21:52:51  <Rubidium> Bjarni: wasn't there an issue with a custom library for the universal binary?
21:52:57  <ln-> atm i'm trying revision 11389
21:53:26  <Bjarni> Rubidium: there still is but I presume that ln- isn't trying to make a universal binary
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21:54:48  <ln-> r11389 doesn't link either....
21:55:05  <Bjarni> ln-: try to configure a dynamic build
21:55:14  <ln-> i'll try that next
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21:59:50  <Bjarni> static is indeed enabled by default
22:00:34  <Bjarni> looks like it doesn't make sense on Leopard
22:00:41  <Bjarni> as they added the needed libs
22:01:08  <ln-> ok, it linked that way.
22:03:31  <Bjarni> ok then I know what the problem is
22:03:57  <Bjarni> now the question is... how do I fix it the right way without killing the nightly build server and usability on tiger and other OSes
22:04:07  <Bjarni> a quick fix will break MorphOS :(
22:04:41  <ln-> and the question remains why did it link before, since i don't remember installing any updates that would have *removed* those .a files.
22:05:01  <Bjarni> I can't answer that question
22:05:35  <Bjarni> Apple generally avoids adding the static libs which is ok since they ensure that all the computers have the libs installed
22:05:55  <Bjarni> those libs shouldn't be statically linked
22:06:05  <Bjarni> what version of libfontconfig do you have?
22:07:42  <Bjarni> "pkg-config fontconfig --modversion" <-- in case you don't know how to check it
22:08:04  <ln-> its version is: -bash: pkg-config: command not found
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22:08:15  <Bjarni> ...
22:08:30  <Bjarni> well
22:08:49  <Bjarni> I have 2.1.0 and OpenTTD needs at least 2.3.0 so it's disabled
22:09:02  <Bjarni> but...
22:09:03  <ln-> i don't have anything like fink or darwinports installed on that computer.
22:09:20  <Bjarni> Apple removed fontconfig???
22:09:35  <Rubidium> they removed pkg-config
22:10:01  <Bjarni> then how do we find fontconfig?
22:10:20  <ln-> Bjarni: just for the record, i don't have pkg-config on Tiger either.
22:10:33  <Bjarni> hmm
22:10:38  <ln-> not even in /sw/bin
22:10:39  <dihedral> but fink?
22:10:43  <Rubidium> but wasn't there a requirement that some fink stuff needed to be installed?
22:10:58  <Bjarni> the basic game core will work without fink
22:11:09  <ln-> i have fink on the Tiger machine
22:11:09  <dihedral> oh
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22:11:15  <Bjarni> and it looks like Apple added libpng so we can just link to that one
22:11:36  <Bjarni> and we removed the need for SDL
22:12:20  <dihedral> good night
22:12:25  <dihedral> off to bed :-P
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22:14:19  <Bjarni> looks like I got pkg-config from fink
22:20:57  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11442 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: make news messages related to the industry (production) changes better configurable; you can now disable news messages popping up for industries you are not servicing. Patch by Alberth.
22:24:33  <Bjarni> ln-: what does "uname -r" return?
22:25:04  <ln-> 9.0.0
22:25:09  <Bjarni> good
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22:47:32  <huma> oi
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22:50:12  <huma> there are no pass-through stations in 0.5.3?
22:50:54  <Rubidium> only for trains
22:51:17  <huma> right
22:51:27  <huma> thanks
22:52:08  <Bjarni> ln-: I fixed it :D
22:52:34  <huma> Rubidium, hmm.. do you write in ruby? :)
22:52:36  <Bjarni> however I will not commit it right now because it breaks universal binaries and I wonder how the nightly build server will react
22:53:22  <huma> Bjarni, right, don't do that - let me checkout the current revision first :)
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22:56:20  <ln-> what have decided about away nicks?
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22:58:20  <SmatZ> http://88.146.45.107/ttd/64x.png 2048x2048 map at 64x zoom-out ... really, there is no need for less detail level :-D
22:59:48  <glx> probably slow as hell
23:00:12  <Rubidium> you might want to increase the sprite memory a little
23:01:15  <Rubidium> SmatZ: it still will not fit on my screen
23:01:32  <Rubidium> (I think)
23:01:48  <Rubidium> probably the outer three water tiles fall off or so
23:02:14  <exe> button panel at the center of the screen?
23:02:39  <glx> exe: yes it's configurable
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23:04:02  <SmatZ> glx: yes, it is slow...
23:04:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> such a huge resolution, and i have still black borders at the left and right...
23:04:16  <SmatZ> Rubidium: I modified some values, and it is not as slow as it could be...
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23:04:38  <SmatZ> problem is that almost whole screen has to be redrawn in every frame...
23:04:40  <Wolf01> 'night
23:04:55  <SmatZ> night Wolf01
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23:05:54  <Eddi|zuHause2> you could reduce that by the zoom factor or something
23:06:14  <SmatZ> yes...
23:06:28  <SmatZ> hmm 32bpp blitter doesn't seem to like this :-x
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23:08:03  <SmatZ> brb
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23:20:28  <Bjarni> ln-: www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/patches/leopard_static_fix.diff <-- this should do it
23:21:17  <Bjarni> basically it will force dynamic linking on the libs in question on Leopard if you aren't building a universal binary
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23:25:24  <ln-> m'kay
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23:54:19  <Bjarni> ln-: did you test this?
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23:54:40  <ln-> not yet
23:54:49  <ln-> i went to sleep half an hour ago
23:54:57  <Bjarni> ahh
23:55:14  <ln-> testing now
23:55:18  <Frostregen> hmm
23:58:55  <ln-> did link
23:59:13  <Frostregen> are the old elrail.grf/2ccmap.grf/canalsw.grf all packed inside openttdw.grf now?

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