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01:21:02 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:21:33 <ln-> the diff that fixed it doesn't seem endian-specific to my eyes... 01:30:59 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7527C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77939.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:07:10 *** MrBrrr [~chatzilla@bas3-montreal02-1096683052.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 02:29:02 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N728P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:31 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N911P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 02:35:31 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:41:34 *** Guest51 [~Greyscale@host86-131-33-43.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:54:02 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:01:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E453.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06:17 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180066232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:10:49 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds] 03:14:18 *** divoafx [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 03:25:42 <egladil> [24 02:20 CET] ln- egladil: was the right-click scroll bug even intel-specific? <=== nope, it was generic 04:08:29 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:11:55 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 04:14:35 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:16:29 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498CB8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:16:32 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498FBF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:24:35 *** oh_ [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh_] 05:17:27 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:26:09 *** djal [~djal@115.224.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [] 05:26:09 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N911P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53:25 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-233-205.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 06:00:33 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-233-205.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:34:20 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-233-205.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 07:15:58 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:16:17 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 07:57:24 *** nfc [~nfc@88.195.110.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:04:38 *** nfc [~nfc@88.195.110.105] has joined #openttd 08:10:03 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-233-205.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:22:16 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-58-48.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:29:40 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:40:54 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@91.84.120.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:45:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11504 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Fix [FS#1467]: removing docks/ship depots could result in non-canal water where canals should have been build. 08:56:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11505 /trunk/src/ (rail_gui.cpp road_gui.cpp): -Fix/Feature: make CTRL work on all road/rail construction options that 'work' with the 'Bulldozer' button instead of only a few. 09:01:32 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 09:02:49 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 09:15:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11506 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix [FS#1471]: selling vehicles could cause the window of others to scroll to that location. 09:16:38 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:09 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 09:21:36 <SmatZ> hello 09:27:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11507 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt viewport.cpp): -Fix [FS#1463]: signs totally illegible when transparant signs is turned on and zoomed out more than one level. 09:28:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E336.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:04 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.91] has joined #openttd 09:36:54 *** G_ [~njones@202.154.150.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:19 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 09:54:05 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N911P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 09:55:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: egladil * r11508 /trunk/src/video/cocoa/ (5 files): -Cleanup: Removed unused headers from the cocoa video driver. 10:01:12 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:36 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:02:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 10:05:22 <Gonozal_VIII> idea: a webpage where artists can upload lots of single vehicles in form of sprites and all important data in an artistfriendly way, then users can browse these vehicles in a list with screenshots, artist information, etc, user selects which vehicles he/she whants and the server compiles and sends them as a grf --> unique grfsets for everybody 10:07:14 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has left #openttd [Und weg...] 10:07:18 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 10:07:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 10:09:28 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: go ahead and make it! 10:09:46 <Rubidium> especially the code to support all the action 2 callback stuff ;) 10:09:58 <Gonozal_VIII> the what?^^ 10:10:34 <Rubidium> you assumption that vehicles are 'only' some sprite replacements is flawed 10:10:58 <Gonozal_VIII> i know that's why i wrote + all important data 10:11:22 <Rubidium> nfo != artist friendly (unless you mean nfo artist) 10:11:36 <dihedral> hello Rubidium :-) 10:12:00 <Gonozal_VIII> then there should be a compiler, that makes that artist friendly :-) 10:12:22 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 10:12:22 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: go make one, like a gazillion people have suggested before. 10:12:22 *** G_ [~njones@202.154.150.91] has joined #openttd 10:13:58 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm if there was a compiler, would the rest work? 10:14:05 <Gonozal_VIII> potentially 10:14:09 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:16 <Rubidium> let me rephrase that: if YOU don't do it, it's more than likely that nobody else will do it either, so when you do not do it this idea will never leave the idea stage like so many ideas to 'simplify' grf coding 10:16:14 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 10:17:54 *** dihedral_ [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-231-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:18:37 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:18:45 *** dihedral is now known as Guest104 10:18:45 *** dihedral_ is now known as dihedral 10:19:06 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe that would require human compilers^^ a form where the artists submit sprites and what they want it to do and people who can write nfo look through that and code it 10:19:41 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:20:12 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 10:20:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11509 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: off-by-one error in some sprite numbers; increase sprite number counter before loading the next sprite instead of after doing so. 10:20:49 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: major problem with NewGRFs this 'age' seems to be the people who need to make the nfo (code) for the NewGRFs have less time than the actual graphics artists 10:20:58 <Rubidium> do you're ending up with lots of sprites without coding 10:21:14 <Rubidium> or even works, no sprites with any coding because nobody could be bothered to code them 10:21:57 <Bjarni> I think it's more like nobody bothers.... there is not really a deadline for coding GRF files 10:22:50 <Rubidium> Bjarni: I think there is a deadline 10:22:58 <Rubidium> before TTDP 2.5 gets released ;) 10:23:14 <Bjarni> heh 10:24:13 <Bjarni> the only valid reason for rushing a release before the code is ready are financial ones. I sure hope that the patch has financial interests in quick releases 10:24:24 *** gono_ping_timeout [~Gonozal_V@N780P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 10:24:31 <gono_ping_timeout> aaand connection gone... 10:24:34 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 10:24:34 <gono_ping_timeout> !logs 10:25:07 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25:30 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B040550.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:25:40 <gono_ping_timeout> maybe more people would learn to code that if there were a organised system where they can see lots of beautiful vehicles that need coding 10:25:45 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:24 <Rubidium> maybe I sound pessimistic, but I don't see it happen 10:26:41 <gono_ping_timeout> and for only one vehicle at a time, that wouldn't be a large project... it's easier to get people to make small projects than large ones 10:26:42 <Rubidium> as they was going to be something for the 32bpp sprites too and that does not even look remotely near finished 10:27:01 <Ammler> it should be a new system not releated to patch, and converter between 10:27:18 <Rubidium> Ammler: go ahead and write it 10:27:49 <Ammler> ok, when is deadline for it? 10:28:01 <Rubidium> three years ago? 10:28:05 <Ammler> :) 10:28:53 <Rubidium> it's easy to do ~80% in *any* other language, but it's the ~20% that is the major problem. 10:29:34 <Rubidium> replacing sprites and properties is easy, the callbacks and the stuff that can be done there is a completely different challenge 10:29:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N911P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:00 <Ammler> but serious, grf coding is very complicated and I could imagine, the ottd code for the newgrf isn't easy either 10:30:40 <Bjarni> OTTD use the same GRF codec as the patch 10:31:13 <Rubidium> Ammler: ever thought what using another format means? 10:31:55 <gono_ping_timeout> that would be parallel to the old one of course then 10:31:59 <gono_ping_timeout> :-) 10:32:03 *** Bastiaan [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 10:32:05 <Ammler> it would need a converter for existing grfs and also manually work 10:32:13 <Rubidium> gono_ping_timeout: that's making it even more cumbersome 10:32:23 *** gono_ping_timeout is now known as Gonozal_VIII 10:32:28 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.91] has joined #openttd 10:32:37 <Rubidium> Ammler: and that converter needs to be updated continously to match the NewGRF specs. 10:32:57 <Rubidium> it furthermore needs to be in OpenTTD as otherwise you cannot run all NewGRFs that you could before. 10:33:11 <Rubidium> you need to make the functionality of the new format a superset of NewGRF's functionality 10:33:31 <Rubidium> you need to completely write the new format's code from scratch 10:33:53 <Rubidium> you need to write documentation for the new format (even the NewGRF documentation is not finshed and it is already a lot) 10:34:08 <Gonozal_VIII> in c++ :-) 10:34:58 <Rubidium> you need to test whether everything works 10:35:07 <Rubidium> you need to convince people to drop TTDP support 10:35:09 <skidd13> I wrote somestuff in BF42 RFA/CON language mainly fixes for DC that language would be nice 10:35:25 <dihedral> hey Bjarni ;-) 10:35:34 <Bjarni> hi dihedral 10:35:58 <dihedral> anything i could realisticly be of help with? 10:36:09 *** G_ [~njones@202.154.150.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:22 <Rubidium> I think you need at least 2-5 full manyear to complete the project, based on the amount of work in the NewGRF implementation and the time used to make the documenation. 10:38:32 <Bjarni> dihedral: yeah... go to the development forum and figure out if the C++ tutorials are usable... in other words if you can code after doing them, then they work 10:38:35 <Bjarni> ;) 10:38:46 *** Bastiaan [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:38:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r11510 /trunk/src/ (34 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: merge the IS_*INSIDE* functions and rename them fitting to the naming style 10:39:03 <dihedral> if you are serious about that i will 10:42:59 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think you can learn any programming language just by reading some tutorial 10:43:08 <dihedral> that is not the point 10:43:31 <dihedral> point would be - does it makes sense what was written 10:44:12 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 10:44:12 <SmatZ> !logs 10:44:48 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think you can learn any programming language just by reading some tutorial <-- agreed but it could be a good start for learning a new language 10:45:06 <Gonozal_VIII> the quiz thing is a nice idea there 10:45:32 <Bjarni> I didn't look closely at that tutorial 10:46:03 *** Bastiaan [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 10:46:04 <Bjarni> but it would be nice if we can forward all wouldbe patches to that tutorial instead of answering all sorts of n00b questions 10:46:47 * dihedral goes and reads it then 10:47:55 *** Bastiaan [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [] 10:48:13 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 10:48:20 <Gonozal_VIII> then the most important thing imho (besides it being complete and correct) is the search function 10:48:32 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:49 <Gonozal_VIII> which doesn't seem to contain anything :S 10:51:47 <Gonozal_VIII> seems to be wip 10:56:57 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 10:57:13 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:58:34 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65DED.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 11:03:21 *** divoafx [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:05:36 *** Shadow [~Shadow@dsl-243-30-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 11:06:53 *** Shadow [~Shadow@dsl-243-30-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [] 11:12:51 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:15:50 <Gonozal_VIII> wow, there just was a ship tunnel on tv... i didn't think they would exist in rl 11:16:13 <Bjarni> screenshot? 11:16:37 <Gonozal_VIII> erm.. my tv doesn't make screenshots 11:16:41 <Bjarni> or do you lack a tuner in your computer? 11:17:01 * Bjarni has no problems making screenshots from TV channels 11:17:53 <dihedral> lol 11:17:58 <Gonozal_VIII> i have a tv card for my laptop but i only use that when i'm at my other "home" at university, here i have a big tv :D 11:19:22 <Bjarni> my "real" TV died so I have only one option for TV watching 11:19:32 <dihedral> i dont have a tv 11:19:41 <dihedral> nor a tv card 11:19:41 <Bjarni> which happens to be way better than the TV 11:19:57 <Gonozal_VIII> no tv at all? :O 11:19:58 <Bjarni> dihedral: then how do you watch the Simpsons? 11:20:09 <dihedral> i cannot 11:20:22 <dihedral> and even if i could it'd be in german 11:20:27 <dihedral> and that just sucks 11:20:28 <Bjarni> good point 11:20:31 <Gonozal_VIII> isn't that one of the basics needed for survival? 11:20:41 <dihedral> like i said - it's all in german 11:20:47 <Bjarni> actually I can't watch the Simpsons either 11:20:57 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-33-43.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:21:02 <dihedral> i hate watching movies in german i hate watching simpsons in german... 11:21:12 <dihedral> ... 11:21:20 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, german synchro sucks, that's a valid point... 11:21:21 <dihedral> i just buy a bunch of dvd's instead :-D 11:21:24 <Gonozal_VIII> but no tv? 11:21:28 <Bjarni> for some reason none of the channels I have access to wants to show Simpsons 11:21:51 <dihedral> i was thinking to maybe go for digital cable tv 11:22:00 <dihedral> then i'd get a bunch of us and uk channels 11:22:00 <Bjarni> <dihedral> i just buy a bunch of dvd's instead :-D <-- then how do you keep up to date with politics and stuff? 11:22:13 <Gonozal_VIII> politics dvd^^ 11:22:19 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 11:22:30 <dihedral> oh - news is broadcasted over the internet 11:22:56 <dihedral> and then i must add, uk has no good news thingy at all 11:23:09 <dihedral> germany at least manages to squish the world into 15 mins :-P 11:24:06 <Gonozal_VIII> n24 has some nice documentations :-) 11:24:40 <Gonozal_VIII> and "kabel 1"... 11:24:52 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25:15 <Gonozal_VIII> things about big machines and such... 11:25:27 <dihedral> i love Mc Guyver 11:25:32 <dihedral> :-P 11:25:35 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 11:25:40 <Gonozal_VIII> i watched that as a kid 11:25:51 <Bjarni> I love machinery 11:25:57 <Bjarni> well 11:26:02 <Bjarni> that depends 11:26:14 <Bjarni> there are some machinery that I don't care for 11:26:21 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:50 <dihedral> :-P lol 11:26:51 <Gonozal_VIII> they have docus about all kinds of big stuff 11:27:27 <Bjarni> like steam engines? 11:27:38 <Gonozal_VIII> yes that too 11:28:03 <Gonozal_VIII> but mostly about modern machines 11:28:04 <dihedral> :-P 11:28:12 <dihedral> disel engines 11:28:24 <Bjarni> *diesel 11:28:52 <Gonozal_VIII> there was one about a rail vehicle that replaces the rails while driving over them 11:29:06 <Bjarni> we use those all the time 11:29:13 <Bjarni> in fact there is one here right now 11:29:18 <dihedral> http://www.rhettsmith.com/blog/archives/images/napdyn%5B1%5D-thumb.jpg 11:29:29 <Bjarni> well... here as in less than 10 km away 11:29:35 <Bjarni> and it's working right now 11:30:35 <Bjarni> some track maintenance rolling stock are rather cool 11:30:36 <Gonozal_VIII> that digs out the whole track bed deep down and replaces everything? 11:30:56 <Bjarni> it replaces the tracks and the sleepers 11:31:54 <Bjarni> and it's really long by itself because it's on the tracks in both ends and it removes and places the new tracks between the bogies 11:32:43 <Gonozal_VIII> that's so cool :D 11:32:56 <Gonozal_VIII> never saw anything like that in rl... 11:33:07 <Gonozal_VIII> they do everything by hand here 11:34:10 <Bjarni> when you have tried doing it by hand then you really like the machinery 11:34:56 <Bjarni> starting with the machine to fasten the bolts on the sleepers to put on the tracks 11:35:17 <Bjarni> that is kind of hard to do by hand 11:35:22 <Bjarni> takes strength and time 11:35:45 <Gonozal_VIII> are they concrete or wooden? 11:35:50 * Bjarni has tried doing that to replace rotten sleepers 11:36:19 <Bjarni> wood. The automatic replacement uses concrete sleepers 11:36:22 <Gonozal_VIII> they replace all the completely fine wooden ones with concrete... i don't know why 11:36:57 <Bjarni> concrete sleepers are cheaper, lasts longer and are more environmental friendly 11:37:20 <Bjarni> they fill the wood with a whole lot of chemical to prevent them from rotting 11:37:33 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think that they last longer... the wood has so much chemicals in it that it lasts practically forever 11:37:38 <Bjarni> so today they are only used for non-standard sleepers like in switches 11:38:02 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think that they last longer... the wood has so much chemicals in it that it lasts practically forever <-- well.. everything is relative... they last 40 years 11:38:17 <Bjarni> correctly made concrete sleepers lasts 50 years 11:38:33 <Gonozal_VIII> they often break in the middle 11:38:37 <Hendikins> Bjarni: My customers love me... and there was a cheer this evening when I read out the election scorecard :) 11:38:49 <Bjarni> hehe 11:38:58 <Bjarni> I hear that you threw away your government 11:39:10 <Hendikins> We did! Good riddance! 11:39:25 <Gonozal_VIII> wherewhenwhat :S 11:39:31 <Hendikins> The station staff cheered, the passengers were grinning from ear to ear :) 11:39:51 <Hendikins> Gonozal_VIII: Australia has a new Prime Minister 11:39:58 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... 11:40:20 <Bjarni> I don't know much about Australian politics but I know that now you are more likely to withdraw troops and give more room for terrorists like taliban 11:40:35 <Hendikins> Not exactly. 11:40:59 <Bjarni> then the news here told it wrong (which isn't the first time) 11:41:29 <Hendikins> The existing government wanted to screw over workers in favour of big business. The bloke who won... well, he won simply because he wasn't the existing PM. 11:41:36 <Bjarni> here we reelected the government last week 11:41:39 <Hendikins> s/wanted to/had already started 11:41:39 <Gonozal_VIII> troops cause terrorism, they don't prevent it... 11:42:55 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: that's not really true... if they are removed then people like taliban takes over and they can generate even more money to attack the west since they see us as the eternal enemy 11:43:07 <Bjarni> they did so even before we showed up at their location 11:43:34 <Gonozal_VIII> when? 11:43:59 <Hendikins> Bjarni: In any case, how is work? :P 11:44:20 *** G_ [~njones@202.154.150.91] has joined #openttd 11:44:30 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i59F7FCEB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:44:43 <Bjarni> Iraq founded suicide bombers in Israel (hence a reason why Israel wanted to get rid of Iraq) 11:45:15 <Bjarni> I don't say that I side with Israel though but suicide bombers are just plain wrong nomatter the reason 11:45:18 <Gonozal_VIII> and they did that because israel is so peaceful? 11:45:19 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 11:45:31 <Bjarni> no 11:46:01 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, suicide bombing is wrong, nobody will argue about that... but how desperate do you have to be to do that? 11:46:04 <Bjarni> but there is one story about military entering the countries in question. There is another one about leaving 11:46:09 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:16 <Hendikins> Bjarni: We had a swing of just under 6% to the new government. 11:46:20 <Bjarni> the fact is that the troops are present right now 11:46:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:46:48 <Bjarni> if we leave it will not magically return to the state it was in before we came and it will not just stop the terrorists and make them idle 11:46:54 <Bjarni> they will try to take power 11:47:44 <Bjarni> so by leaving we will create countries there the population is controlled by a government who kills whoever they don't like 11:47:53 <Hendikins> http://vtr.aec.gov.au/Default.htm 11:48:16 <Bjarni> a government that is even worse than the Saddam one we wanted to get rid of 11:48:31 <Gonozal_VIII> but as long as there are foreign forces there, they will gain followers that want to get rid of them 11:49:02 <Gonozal_VIII> there has to be some way 11:50:14 <Bjarni> diplomacy only works when it's accepted by both sides and the world can't tell taliban how to behave 11:50:41 <Bjarni> remember that even the Muslim countries like Pakistan are fighting taliban 11:51:03 <ln-> Bjarni: how does quartz feel? 11:51:28 <Bjarni> the local population celebrates whenever taliban withdraw from their area 11:51:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7EBBA.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:39 <Bjarni> ln-: slower, but at least it works now 11:52:16 <Gonozal_VIII> they will loose followers and support when there are no foreign troops to fight against 11:52:39 <Bjarni> if we just withdraw then the result will be that they will take control and kill whoever they don't like for reasons like sending a girl to school, learning a foreign language and stuff like that 11:53:08 <Vikthor> (12:48:32) Gonozal_VIII: but as long as there are foreign forces there, they will gain followers that want to get rid of them -- Sure that is because how the foreign forces behave 11:53:29 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> they will loose followers and support when there are no foreign troops to fight against <-- so Hitler lost support when Germany didn't have any foreign troops? 11:54:15 <Bjarni> besides they don't need support... they have the weapons. They can rule and kill without support from the population 11:54:49 <Bjarni> our troops are instructed on how to deal with taliban without hurting the local population and it actually works 11:55:07 <Vikthor> The only solution is unfortunately to send there more foreign forces 11:55:38 <Bjarni> yeah... it's not an ideal solution but we have to do so 11:56:07 <Bjarni> imagine WW2 if every single country decided not to care for the war unless their own land was attacked 11:56:24 <Bjarni> and then even in that case they might not do anything seriously about it 11:56:33 <Vikthor> Bjarni: Thats exactly what USA and USSR did :) 11:56:34 <Bjarni> USA wouldn't have done anything in Europe 11:57:05 <Bjarni> <Vikthor> Bjarni: Thats exactly what USA and USSR did :) <-- yeah... the war didn't stop until they changed politics 11:57:16 <Bjarni> USA was never attacked from Europe 11:58:11 <Bjarni> USSR should have just pushed Germany out of their own land, but not made a counter attack if they should follow the ideas of withdrawal from Afghanistan that people talk about today 11:59:28 <Bjarni> the idea of not having troops in other countries are an ideal one but sadly it's not working :s 11:59:37 <Bjarni> it's just not how the world works 12:00:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80A41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:01:25 <Vikthor> (12:57:17) Bjarni: USA was never attacked from Europe -- Germany declared war on USA not the other way around 12:01:49 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83548.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:01:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:02:28 <Bjarni> are you completely sure... what happened just before they did? 12:03:09 <Bjarni> is it like Pearl Harbour where the history books claims it to be an attack where in reality it was a counter attack due to USA financially attacking Japan? 12:03:59 <Gonozal_VIII> they supplied gb with lots of weapons 12:04:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> technically, there was a strong lobby for germany in the USA, and they did not actively enter the war until they got attacked by japan 12:04:52 <Bjarni> USA declared that all oil producing countries should boycott Japan. Japan objected but nobody cared so Japan used their navy (the biggest in the Pacific) to gain control of the oil wells in Indonesia and to protect their oil transports they had to defeat the strongholds that could attack them 12:04:58 <Vikthor> It was so that USA declared war on Japan and after that Germany declared war on USA 12:04:58 <Bjarni> Pearl Harbour was one of them 12:05:03 <Bjarni> Bangkok was another one 12:05:45 <Bjarni> they attacked even more strongholds but I can't remember them all 12:05:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> and note that this was already half way through the war 12:07:09 <Bjarni> USA went into WW1 when Germany sank one of their ships but Germany did so because British ships used US flags to hide themselves and then fire on German ships at short range where the British ships were better 12:07:41 <Bjarni> so in reality Britain forced Germany into a conflict with USA by doing so 12:08:05 <Bjarni> also at that time USA made a fortune by supplying Britain with all sorts of stuff 12:09:26 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:10:13 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:12:26 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 12:14:11 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-144-185.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:14:55 *** chu_ [~chu@194.246.80.212.static.versanetonline.de] has joined #openttd 12:15:03 <chu_> Rubidium: ? 12:16:47 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-183-79.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:29 <dihedral> save passwords on server patch looks good :-) 12:18:30 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB6818.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:18:42 <dihedral> good = nice idea 12:21:21 <Bjarni> the problem is that a password should be known to only the server and the client 12:21:35 <Bjarni> if we just add it to the savegame then it will be transmitted to new clients 12:22:02 <Rotonen> and a diff-helman would be overkill 12:23:07 <dihedral> that has been changed Bjarni 12:23:14 <dihedral> aparently it saves to another file 12:23:15 <Ammller> a special passwd file on the server with company id and pw as md5? 12:23:21 <dihedral> but i might be wrong there 12:23:51 <dihedral> password as md5 would mean that passwords are saved generally as md5 12:24:31 <Rotonen> who's specifically in charge of multiplayer code? 12:24:40 <Rotonen> or is there any hierarchy on this project? 12:25:04 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB698A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:53 <Ammller> Rotonen: why do you need to know that? 12:26:16 <Rotonen> i'd like to consult the person 12:26:32 <Rotonen> before posting something into your task tracker 12:27:04 <Rotonen> currently the client does not handle the end of game well in a multiplayer game 12:27:50 <Ammller> Rotonen: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Developers 12:28:20 <Rotonen> did not really clarify 12:28:21 <dihedral> what does it not handle well? 12:28:35 <Rotonen> well it just kicks you out of the game and tells the connection was lost? 12:28:42 <Rotonen> and even that information times out 12:29:30 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, if the server shuts down you just get back to the start screen without any information 12:29:44 <dihedral> for me when the game is restarted by reaching restart_game_year or issueing newgame, i reconnect 12:30:08 <Rotonen> yes, but i'd like to see the end game results (as would the majority of players playing on my server and giving feedback) 12:30:21 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:24 <Gonozal_VIII> ah that 2051 stuff 12:30:32 <Rotonen> yes 12:30:35 <dihedral> then you need to set end_year earlier than restart_game_year 12:30:59 <Rotonen> the easiest way would be to export the end results 12:31:09 <dihedral> ? 12:31:16 <dihedral> use a save game? 12:31:23 <Rotonen> in some parseable form (xml anyone?) so one could dynamically form result web pages 12:31:44 <dihedral> ... 12:31:46 <Rotonen> well yes, was afraid i was going to have to code that myself as an external app 12:31:57 <dihedral> if you want results of running games there are tools for that :-P 12:32:01 <Rotonen> but what i'm here asking for is some nicer endgame handling for the client 12:32:07 <Gonozal_VIII> that sounds somewhat nice, not only for multiplayer... 12:32:24 <Rotonen> Gonozal_VIII: not really the headache of this project, though 12:32:57 <Rotonen> if the client were to stay even paused upon game reset in the endgame so a player could see the results, that would be really nice 12:33:16 <Rotonen> though it would require some sort of an endgame signal for it 12:33:18 <dihedral> i.e. freeze the game 12:34:01 <dihedral> actually - Bjarni i had something funny when my powerbook suspended due to low battery 12:34:26 <dihedral> i 'woke' it up again this morning and i had a frozen game 12:34:36 <dihedral> frozen in the sense of me being able to scroll everything 12:34:46 <dihedral> just not 'unpause' etc. 12:35:05 <dihedral> and at some point it then went back to the main menu (i.e. after 10 mins or so :-P) 12:35:16 <Bjarni> heh 12:35:24 <dihedral> i thought that was pretty neat actually 12:35:35 <dihedral> :-P 12:35:46 <Rotonen> a broken statmachine perhaps? 12:36:07 <dihedral> had the minimap open, so i could scroll that and and scoll the normal map too 12:36:34 <Gonozal_VIII> game ends... endscreen until you do something, then the map is there in pause and you are able to save the game and it saves game statistics in a file in the game dir 12:36:35 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 12:36:59 <dihedral> write it :-) 12:37:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11511 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Revert parts of r11505: forgot that CTRL might be used for other features, like adjacent stations or signals. 12:37:35 <dihedral> :-P 12:37:52 <Rotonen> helpful and supportive, aren't we :P 12:37:57 <chu_> Rubidium: thx :-) 12:38:08 <Gonozal_VIII> the map stays there part shouldn't be that hard, sometimes it already does that 12:38:38 <chu_> what does adjacent stations mean? 12:38:39 <Gonozal_VIII> if i loose my internet connection while playing on a server, the game freezes but stays there 12:38:57 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:06 <Gonozal_VIII> different stations that touch each other 12:39:09 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:22 <Gonozal_VIII> or something like that^^ 12:40:36 <dihedral> and you dont suppose a bunch of people will complain that their game frezzes because they lost connection? 12:41:19 <Gonozal_VIII> it is already that way and i didn't see anybody complaining 12:42:27 <dihedral> the game does not 'freeze' when you lose your connection 12:43:21 <Gonozal_VIII> it does? 12:43:52 <Gonozal_VIII> i'll try again now... 12:43:53 *** LordAzamath 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the game freezes 13:03:47 <dihedral> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/GRF_Table 13:03:53 <dihedral> sorry - wrong channel 13:04:07 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: does it completely freeze, or does it just not continue with the map? 13:04:33 <Gonozal_VIII> i can scroll around but the time is stuck 13:04:34 <dihedral> when i lose my connection i am back in the main menu 13:04:46 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: exactly as it should be 13:04:51 <Gonozal_VIII> it is not set to pause but nothing moves 13:05:07 <Rubidium> well... the server did not tell to go to the next frame. 13:05:20 <Rubidium> the server *always* tells the clients when it can go to the next frame. 13:05:29 <Rubidium> this to synchronise all clients. 13:06:25 <Gonozal_VIII> i can save and load and it works :-) 13:06:40 <Gonozal_VIII> that's how every multiplayer game should end imho 13:06:46 <Rubidium> it will 'die' after the connection has been determined to be lost 13:06:51 <Rubidium> which is configurable by the way 13:07:07 <Rubidium> you just need to check what specific setting of your OS you need to set 13:07:43 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B78845.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:07:47 <Gonozal_VIII> it only happens if my internet connection is lost 13:08:37 <Gonozal_VIII> which happens every 8h because my provider thinks that's cool or something... 13:10:26 <Gonozal_VIII> and i'll try to get my irc back to working normal now... 13:10:40 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N930P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12:32 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@pc177.host24.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 13:14:40 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:16:14 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N930P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 13:16:24 <Gonozal_VIII> yay 13:17:13 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: 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16:48:54 * SpComb sighs at MyOTTD 16:49:47 * dihedral pats SpComb on the back 16:49:51 <dihedral> whats up? 16:49:52 <SpComb> 0.6.0-beta1 has a different file structure, settings.cpp has changed, the currently used web framework smells 16:50:10 <dihedral> ... 16:50:28 <dihedral> looks like you have some work to do :-P 16:50:59 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 16:51:08 <SpComb> I need a plan, lots of time and preferrably someone to help 16:51:13 <SpComb> it's starting to get complicated 16:51:18 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 16:52:51 <SpComb> still need to figure out how feasible it would be to patch the OpenTTD source code to add a more suitable control interface for dedicated servers 16:53:00 <SpComb> are console messages/debug messages localized? 16:53:08 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:53:31 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 16:53:59 <SpComb> I'm not sure if I want to update openttd.py to support the new settings.cpp, I'd rather try my hand at extracting that info out of OpenTTD at runtime via said control interface 16:55:17 <dihedral> ? 16:55:23 <dihedral> i am going to go home now... 16:55:25 <dihedral> cu in a bit 16:56:37 <SpComb> my plan for the future is to replace the console/udp based MyOTTD<->OpenTTD interaction with some kind of specialized inter-process API in OpenTTD 16:57:18 <SpComb> so instead of printing out some english-language string whenever a player joins the server, OpenTTD would instead send out some kind of binary opcode message with the ip address and such 17:23:10 *** MarkSlap [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 17:23:10 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N930P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:47 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:34:58 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has joined 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interesting ways 18:19:47 <hylje> new and interesting* 18:23:46 <SpComb> woo, it compiled 18:28:03 * SpComb ponders upon the magic that is VARDEF 18:28:22 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:31:50 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 18:34:49 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:38:10 <ln-> het ongewoon sterke tetryonveld vormt een gevaar voor de navigatie. 18:39:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, it does ;) 18:42:50 <ln-> yes, better keep that in mind. 18:47:02 <SpComb> bleh, I was editing the console.cpp from trunk, and the openttd.h/etc from 0.6.1-beta1 18:47:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, if i'm ever going to navigate through a tetryonfield, that information could come in handy ;) 18:47:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57BFF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:50:24 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-153c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:00:10 *** skidd13 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19:19:34 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: or don't care 19:20:01 * SpComb does indeed not care 19:31:01 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N930P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:38:17 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@pc177.host24.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:40:43 <Sacro> foo = 3/*bar; /* division by pointer or comment start? */ 19:41:51 <Gonozal_VIII> javadoc 19:42:30 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm 19:42:54 <Gonozal_VIII> sorry, just woke up 19:44:10 <Gonozal_VIII> (eyes half closed and such) 19:46:25 <Gonozal_VIII> i would guess comment and then it starts to complain about missing ; 19:46:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> not if the next statement is an empty statement ;) 19:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> it gets funnier, if the next statement is *bar=foo ;) 19:50:12 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:29 <Gonozal_VIII> seems to be a weakness of the language... nice, i don't evern know most of it and now i know how to break it, yay 19:53:16 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, there are quite some ambiguousities with * 19:53:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> like what is 3**bar 19:53:53 <Sacro> foo * bar 19:54:08 <Sacro> ** ? 19:54:10 <Sacro> pow! 19:54:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> it could also mean 3 * (*bar) 19:54:55 <Gonozal_VIII> why is it not ^ or something for power? 19:55:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> ^ is XOR 19:55:12 <Gonozal_VIII> ah 19:55:27 <hylje> well 19:55:27 <Sacro> foo += ** bar 19:55:29 <Sacro> >< 19:55:36 <Sacro> hmm 19:55:37 <hylje> ambiguousness with ^ instead of * and **? 19:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> !calc 2^1 19:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> @calc 2^1 19:57:01 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause3: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 19:57:25 <Gonozal_VIII> not a valid number :S 19:58:57 <SmatZ> can I stop running server (openttd -D -f) in a different way than with kill? 20:06:06 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 20:06:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:20 <Gonozal_VIII> you could disconnect from the internet, turn off the server, blow up the server, cut the power cord, blow up your local power plant, detonate a nuclear bomb in the stratosphere and let the emp shut it off and lots of more options :-) 20:11:00 <SmatZ> thanks, I will do it with the nuclear bomb :-P 20:16:16 <Sacro> fire! 20:16:19 <Sacro> nah 20:16:26 <Sacro> the only safe way is to nuke it from orbit 20:16:50 <SmatZ> thanks, I see there is no solution :-P 20:19:43 <Sacro> not using kill? 20:19:45 <Sacro> killall? 20:20:39 <Sacro> fo 20:22:20 <SmatZ> fo ? 20:22:20 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:36 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:03 <welterde> hi 20:23:03 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 20:23:04 *** stillunknown 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<Maedhros> but then i don't think the right mouse button does anything either 20:48:13 <Gonozal_VIII> right is for scrolling 20:48:30 <Maedhros> heh, oops 20:48:32 <ln-> yeah, and at least I even use it for scrolling. 20:49:20 *** Stoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:49:29 <Gonozal_VIII> i always use that, never the cursor keys 20:49:36 *** Stoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:50:34 <Gonozal_VIII> in combination with mousewheel zoom out, right mousebutton scroll, mousewheel zoom in, you can navigate fast over the map :-) 20:52:40 *** gono_ping_timeout [~Gonozal_V@N857P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:56:38 <ln-> i just thought the middle button could be assigned some purpose, if it happens to exist. 20:56:48 <gono_ping_timeout> like? 20:58:37 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N930P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:11 <gono_ping_timeout> to center the map there or something? 20:59:23 <ln-> dunno, a shortcut for the questionmark tool for example. 20:59:33 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 21:00:11 <ln-> or bring up the terrain toolbar, or... 21:03:05 <gono_ping_timeout> configurable then... 21:03:16 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:24 <ln-> too much configurability is bad 21:03:48 <gono_ping_timeout> hmm 21:03:53 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has left #openttd [] 21:04:53 <Sacro> autorail? 21:04:56 <gono_ping_timeout> hidden configuability can't hurt.. with a default action and if you want something else, add a line in the config 21:06:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7FCEB.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7FCEB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:12:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7FCEB.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr 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21:54:01 <Rubidium> splut it 21:54:21 <SmatZ> really? 21:54:36 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:48 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6818.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:04 <Rubidium> well, not if it's on the middle of your expensive monitor/hardware, but when it's on the door or so, just splut it ;) 21:58:32 <ln-> i have a fix for the consequence but not the cause. 21:59:43 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:49 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-128-19.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:08:57 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:25 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57BFF.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:11:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> doctors do that all the time 22:11:58 <Rotonen> also medical research facilities prefer to do that 22:13:19 *** oh [~oh@81.191.245.150] has joined #openttd 22:15:16 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] 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joined #openttd 23:29:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B56CD.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:17 <ln-> egladil: ping 23:31:48 <egladil> pong 23:32:31 <ln-> try to scroll the map quickly with right-mouse down, release button only after the cursor is outside OTTD window. 23:33:34 <ln-> then move the cursor back on the window, and the game will think you still have right mouse down. 23:34:06 <Gonozal_VIII> erm... the cursor doesn't move when you keep the right button down 23:34:31 <ln-> the real question is why can the cursor exit the window when right is down, and why doesn't it happen with ctrl+left down. 23:34:56 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: what kind of a Mac do you have? 23:35:09 <egladil> i can't test that right now since i don't have a two-button mouse 23:35:12 <Gonozal_VIII> that kint that has nothing to do with mac 23:35:38 <ln-> that kint that? 23:35:50 <Gonozal_VIII> the kind that? 23:35:58 <Gonozal_VIII> no mac :P 23:35:59 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 23:36:23 <Gonozal_VIII> but you didn't say anyhing about mac 23:36:49 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: i did, i said "egladil: ". 23:37:05 <egladil> heh 23:37:08 <Gonozal_VIII> that was the ping :-) 23:37:20 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 23:37:35 <egladil> that implied mac 23:38:43 <Gonozal_VIII> macs have ctrl? 23:38:55 <ln-> egladil: btw, was there something intel-specific about this fix: http://hg.openttd.org:8000/svn/trunk.hg/rev/5c94d02482a4 23:39:02 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: they are in ctrl of the world. 23:39:11 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 23:39:29 <Gonozal_VIII> not my world! 23:41:46 *** dihedral is now known as Guest154 23:41:48 *** dihedral [~dihedral_@dslb-084-056-228-083.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:53 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: and yes, sure macs have ctrl, alt, command and space. 23:42:28 <Gonozal_VIII> would be hard to type without space... 23:42:54 <egladil> ln-: no, that fix was for both intel and ppc 23:44:13 <ln-> egladil: ok, thought so... so was bjarni incorrectly reporting it as being intel-specific? 23:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Gonozal_VIII> would be hard to type without space... <- that's a big problem in morse code, it does not contain the letter "space", even though it is the most common letter in a text 23:45:28 <egladil> whoever reported it as intel-only was indeed incorrect, since when checking it out i got it on ppc too 23:45:57 <ln-> "Comment by Bjarni (Bjarni) - Friday, 23 November 2007, 07:51AM 23:46:02 <ln-> r11498 breaks right click scrolling on intel macs [...]" 23:46:36 <SpComb> http://myottd.marttila.de/browser/trunk/openttd/api_r11515.patch 23:46:52 <SpComb> in case anyone is interested in what I'm doing, I'm not trying to submit it for inclusion in trunk or anything :P 23:47:05 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:21 *** Guest154 [~dihedral_@dslb-084-056-231-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:47:25 <SpComb> although it's currently written in such a way that it doesn't break anything except win32 if you turn it on 23:48:22 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-83-152.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:49:57 <egladil> ln-: well, he never said it was _only_ on intel macs ;) 23:50:40 <ln-> true 23:51:08 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5F483.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:52:55 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: btw, mac keyboards have function keys F1..F16, the new ones even up to F19. 23:53:22 <Gonozal_VIII> why do you need that? 23:54:30 <ln-> mac programs very rarely use function keys at all, instead many of them have operating system level functionality such as adjusting screen brightness, volume, or so. 23:55:00 <egladil> and you can bind exposé and such to them :) 23:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> PCs have "multimedia keys" instead 23:56:14 <Gonozal_VIII> my laptop has a fn key that works in combination with f1-f8 23:56:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> laptops had that for ages... 23:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> but those are usually controlled by the BIOS instead 23:57:26 <egladil> macs don't have BIOS ;) 23:57:27 <ln-> what's this key above 7 on the numpad? 23:57:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> the Num key? 23:57:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> to switch between numbers or arrows? 23:57:50 <ln-> the mac keyboard 23:57:50 <Gonozal_VIII> activates the numpad 23:57:56 <Gonozal_VIII> ah 23:58:26 <egladil> no idea, i have an ibook so not the same layout 23:59:00 <egladil> above my numpad seven (which happens to coincide with the ordinary seven) there is f6/numlock 23:59:38 <ln-> ah, ok. i have an ibook too, but last summer i bought a separate mac keyboard so i can use my ibook with an external monitor, mouse and keyboard now.