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00:00:01 <Gonozal_VIII> numpad in the middle of the letters? that sucks... 00:01:05 <Gonozal_VIII> but i guess seperate doesn't work with less then 17"... 00:01:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> laptop keyboards used that trick to save space 00:01:29 <egladil> never use the numpad on laptops anyway 00:02:39 <ln-> do you have the latest generation iBook G4? 00:03:14 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh] 00:04:21 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5F483.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:17 <egladil> i have the 2004 model 00:06:44 <ln-> no two-finger scrolling then, pity. 00:07:33 <Gonozal_VIII> i know what two-finger scrolling is :D 00:07:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:07:59 <ln-> if you were thinking something perverted, that's you own problem. 00:08:04 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:08:06 <Sacro> ln-: you know... i was 00:15:43 <ln-> bug almost fixed 00:18:57 <SmatZ> ln-: what bug were you talking about? 00:19:17 <ln-> right scroll 00:19:20 <SmatZ> [00:32:33] <ln-> try to scroll the map quickly with right-mouse down, release button only after the cursor is outside OTTD window. 00:19:21 <SmatZ> ah 00:20:05 <SmatZ> when I go out of the OTTD window while holding button and then return back, my cursor disappears... 00:21:31 <ln-> bug fixed 00:25:16 <ln-> egladil: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/cocoa-keep-cursor-in-window-when-right-down.diff 00:32:33 <Zuu> SmatZ: That one is quite old, and was SDL related on linux if I'm not wrong. 00:36:41 <Zuu> But if I'm not wrong that is not a real issue with relative input devices? 00:37:10 <Zuu> As the cursor position don't move when you scroll. 00:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> something was funny recently, when you scroll, and alt+tab out of the window, and then go back, you scroll without holding the mouse button 00:37:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-148-224.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:38:19 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:41:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11518 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Codechange: enforce (by assert) unused parameters of widgets to be zero. Better readability of DrawWindowWidgets(), too 00:42:45 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C205.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 00:44:48 <ln-> let's all read the interesting paper by Tron: http://www.info.uni-karlsruhe.de/papers/sa_mallon.pdf 00:45:18 <SmatZ> Zuu: I don't know 00:45:57 <Zuu> Not easy to know everyting when so MUCH is happening in the ottd world :) 00:47:03 <SmatZ> :) 00:48:19 <Zuu> Beeing the one who submitted that bug it is quite easy to remember it.. :p 00:48:23 <Zuu> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/501 00:49:02 <ln-> Beeing = attacking someone with an army of bees? 00:49:12 <SmatZ> :-D 00:49:14 <Sacro> hehehe 00:49:17 <Zuu> being, better? 00:49:18 <SmatZ> no wonder you remember it :) 00:49:23 <Sacro> my chinese housemate thought that walking the dog == dogging 00:49:24 <Sacro> XD 00:50:42 <Belugas> ln-, what is it about? i can't read german, but it sound interesting to me 00:50:54 <SmatZ> :-D 00:52:37 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B040085.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 00:53:23 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B788DB.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:24 <Zuu> Sacro: As always it is those who are less familar with a langage that creates new facinating combinations. :p 00:53:35 <Sacro> Zuu: well, yes 00:53:37 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:53:44 <Sacro> she was most embarresed when i told her what dogging is 00:54:30 <Gonozal_VIII> <-- too stupid to understand it but it seems to be an algorithm that is trying to avoid wrong guesses when you pipeline stuff through the cpu 00:54:53 <ln-> Belugas: something like "If conversion from SSAs". 00:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> he wants to reduce the conditional branches when converting SSA into code 00:56:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> because the less branches you have, the less the branch prediction can fail 00:56:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> and taking wrong branch always is a loss of pipeline 00:57:47 <ln-> has he written that much text just for fun, or is "Studienarbeit" something like a bachelor's thesis? 00:58:05 <Gonozal_VIII> master :-) 00:58:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is definitely some requirement for his studies, but i don't think he is studying for bachelor/master 00:58:33 <Belugas> i think the latter will be more exact 00:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> more probably he is studying for "diplom", where this thing would be a prerequisite for starting his diploma-thesis 00:59:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Diplom" would be loosely comparable to "Master" 01:00:38 <Gonozal_VIII> they want to start bachelor/master system here in the next years 01:00:39 <ln-> this sounds funny: "Prof. em. Dr. Dr. h.c. Gerhard Goos" 01:01:32 <Gonozal_VIII> here = my university 01:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> they started last year here, i think 01:02:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> but tron already studies a tiny bit longer than that ;) 01:03:14 *** Sionide- [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 01:03:15 <Zuu> soon I have to choose if I want to get the old exam that is also called Master or if I want to get the bolonga-master or there was a third possibility I don't remember... 01:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> a paper like this is usually directly followed by the diploma-thesis, which is another 6 month to finish studying 01:04:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> here, everyone would recommend you to study after the old scheme, if you have the choice 01:04:45 * Sacro scratches 01:04:47 *** MiHaMeK [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 01:05:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is even questionable if the newly introduced bachelor even fulfils the bologna criteries 01:05:30 <Zuu> okay. I mostly have heard from people that they want to go the old way to get out a half year earlier (after 4.5 instead of 5 years) so that they can start to work earlier. 01:05:34 <Belugas> i know he is studying on computer sciences (obviously), that he has achieved quite a degree so far, but i do know know the exact level he reached 01:05:34 <ln-> the first time i see Dr. twice in front of someone's name 01:05:34 <Belugas> thanks Eddi|zuHause3 01:05:45 *** eQualize1 [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 01:06:01 *** hylej [hylje@c214.myrootshell.com] has joined #openttd 01:06:16 *** blathijs_ [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 01:06:43 <Gonozal_VIII> they are very strict with titles here... and some people like to collect them all^^ 01:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: that is very common in germany, but really uncommon in english speaking areas 01:07:10 *** TheMask97 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 01:07:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> like people have "Prof. Prof. Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr." 01:07:35 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:07:35 <ln-> would "diplom" be localized to english as something else than "master of science"? 01:07:35 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:07:35 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:35 <Belugas> i miss him 01:07:35 *** hylje [hylje@c214.myrootshell.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:35 <Belugas> he was not alwasy easy to get along,but he's damn good and sometimes, even fun to talk to 01:07:35 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:41 <ln-> laaaaaag 01:07:45 <Gonozal_VIII> wow... 01:08:12 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> unununium.oftc.net quits: eQualizer, svippery, Progman, ln-, dfox_, Noldo, @Rubidium, blathijs, @Belugas 01:08:14 *** Sionide- is now known as Sionide 01:08:30 <Gonozal_VIII> banana split 01:09:01 *** Netsplit over, joins: Noldo 01:09:01 <Gonozal_VIII> everybody knows, that unununium is not stable! 01:09:13 <Gonozal_VIII> -, 01:09:27 <SmatZ> :-D 01:10:00 *** ln- [lauri@ksenos.fi] has joined #openttd 01:10:08 <ln-> blah 01:10:20 <ln-> the last thing i said was: 01:10:22 <ln-> 03:03 < ln-> would "diplom" be localized to english as something else than "master of science"? 01:10:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> a couple of google results: "Prof. Prof. Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. (wenn man den Buchumschlag glauben soll) Guido Knopp" 01:10:32 <Sacro> diploma? 01:10:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Herrn Prof. Prof. Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. (kein Witz!) Theodor Berchem" 01:10:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Prof. Prof. Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. rer. nat. phil. med. vet. hc Dipl. Betriebswirt Dipl. Psych. Dipl. Ing. Adolf Samuel Rothschild" 01:11:00 <Sacro> :o 01:11:02 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 01:11:06 <Sacro> you can't call a child Adolf 01:11:27 <ln-> Sacro: obviously mr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. is not a child. 01:11:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> i assume he was born between 1933 and 1945 01:11:48 <Zuu> My gosh, that's just wierd amount of titles... compared to the situation here where you say 'you' to almost anyone. 01:12:30 <Gonozal_VIII> but they would be offended if you forget one of the dr. 01:13:05 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 01:14:05 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:14:13 <Gonozal_VIII> btw isn't samuel jewish? 01:14:14 <ln-> what have they done to gain (Prof.)³ (Dr.)¹¹ ? 01:14:15 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-251-007.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:14:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, those are extreme cases, but it is quite common to have "Dr. Dr." or "Prof. Dr. Dr." 01:14:30 *** Markkisen [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has joined #openttd 01:14:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E336.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:14:40 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 01:14:40 *** dfox_ [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 01:14:40 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 01:14:40 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+ov Belugas Belugas] by unununium.oftc.net 01:14:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, the name could be jewish 01:15:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> but also jews were born in that period :p 01:15:17 <Gonozal_VIII> but named adolf?^^ 01:15:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, i do neither know this person nor this person's parents nor this person's parents' reasoning behind the naming 01:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> but if he was born in that period, he would be between 62 and 74 now 01:17:29 <Gonozal_VIII> can't be much younger with that many titles 01:17:30 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://usaerklaert.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/buffy-staffel-8-und-die-vornamen-falle/ <- about names, "you" and mass-titles (german) 01:19:03 *** MarkSlap [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:19:03 *** Markkisen is now known as MarkSlap 01:19:14 <ln-> i live in a country where getting a doctoral degree requires at least a few years of post-graduate research. 01:19:29 <ln-> in practise. 01:20:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, especially in medical studies, they have an accelerated doctor degree 01:20:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> because people don't go to a doctor that is not a doctor 01:20:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> so they make the doctor degree for the name plate 01:21:09 <ln-> great 01:21:15 <ln-> what's the degree below that? 01:21:48 <ln-> Lizenziat? 01:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> "dipl. med." allows you to be medical practitioner 01:23:17 <ln-> "Lizenziat der Medizin" over here, as far as the term Lizenziat is translatable. 01:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Diplom" is the usual finish of studying 01:24:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Doktor" is typically a 2-4 year advanced study after that 01:24:52 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-153c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:25:03 <ln-> "Magister" (i.e. master) is the usual finish here. 01:25:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> that time depends mainly on how much teaching you have to do in that period as well 01:25:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E336.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:58 <ln-> but in medicine and dentistry people do not (and cannot) graduate as masters, but instead they graduate directly to Lizenziat, which is somewhat higher degree. 01:31:34 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74ED2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:26 <ln-> welcome back 01:34:53 <Sacro> http://www.freemagenta.nl/?page_id=121 01:38:02 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7527C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:04 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:46 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 01:41:25 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.freemagenta.nl/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/claimed-magenta.jpg :D 01:46:43 <Sacro> "To continue reading this article, subscribe to New Scientist. Get 4 issues of New Scientist magazine and instant access to all online content for only £2.95" 01:46:45 <Sacro> GOD DAMNIT >< 01:53:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, the company with the big T has that kind of protective thinking... 01:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> like they sued someone for using of the URL "e-online.de" 01:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.das-elko.de/e-online.htm 01:55:39 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:05:16 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 02:05:38 <dihedral> night ladies 02:06:41 *** dihedral [~dihedral_@dslb-084-056-228-083.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 02:07:52 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:17:03 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-144-185.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:17:04 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-144-137-110-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:18:07 *** 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He's the one who works on that 15:04:33 <PinguTux> skidd13: k, thx 15:07:39 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:07:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:11:26 <Sacro> PinguTux: send it to Bjarni :) 15:11:32 <Bjarni> send what? 15:11:53 <Gonozal_VIII> a patch for screen resolutions on mac 15:12:05 <PinguTux> yes, here: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1483 15:12:58 <Bjarni> oh the thing on flyspray that I have open right now 15:17:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r11522 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Fix: The scrollbar of the network gui could run out of bounds 15:21:25 *** PinguTux is now known as PinguTux^afk 15:33:48 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 15:41:32 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh] 15:42:31 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 15:44:19 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-33-43.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44:27 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-131-33-43.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44:55 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-33-43.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:58:21 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:31 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:13:55 *** PinguTux^afk [~PinguTux@pD9E9F5C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: PinguTux^afk] 16:17:53 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-33-43.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:22:45 <dihedral> hi 16:22:54 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 16:23:37 <dihedral> helo Bjarni :-) (1 hour later ;-) ) 16:26:57 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E61.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:32:39 <Bjarni> oh what a nice highlight 16:32:42 <Bjarni> :p 16:32:43 <Bjarni> hi 16:41:00 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 16:42:04 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 16:44:07 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:33 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 17:01:15 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-52-118.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 17:05:13 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:42 <ln-> i'm watching a TNG episode with "John Locke" as an admiral 17:09:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BDC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:40 *** Gege [~jo-reggel@static-81-17-185-44.dunaweb.hu] has joined #openttd 17:11:46 <Gege> good day 17:11:51 <Gege> any hungarian fan here? 17:14:49 <Bjarni> no 17:15:08 <Bjarni> we don't prefer Hungarians over other nationalities :P 17:15:24 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 17:15:28 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@izhirahider.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:15:40 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:46 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: btw it was you who talked about syncronised TV, right? 17:17:01 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@dsl-dp-81-140-107-179.in-addr.broadbandscope.com] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 17:17:06 <Bjarni> I think I know something that even beats German synchronisation 17:17:21 <Gonozal_VIII> what? 17:17:59 <Bjarni> Swedish children TV broadcasted in Denmark... it's not like Swedish is that hard to understand but they still add Danish talk to it 17:18:02 <Bjarni> but... 17:18:16 <Bjarni> they use a single woman for it so everybody gets the same voice 17:18:23 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe 17:18:44 <Bjarni> then she tells who says what and that results in longer lines so she talks over sound fxs and stuff 17:18:50 <Bjarni> and leaves stuff out due to lack of time 17:19:03 <Bjarni> they didn't remove the Swedish talk either 17:19:20 <Bjarni> I don't think you can get much lower than that 17:19:30 <Gonozal_VIII> good for the children, they learn to filter information :-) 17:19:44 <ln-> Bjarni: what do you think about this music video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ch_pokzgTIc 17:19:48 <Bjarni> I can remember that I never liked that woman 17:20:29 <Bjarni> later I learned that as an adult I don't like how that woman behaves 17:20:44 <fjb> :-) That is pretty low. Hard to beat. 17:21:05 <Gonozal_VIII> bah ln that's crap 17:21:25 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: it isn't, and you didn't understand it. 17:21:47 <Bjarni> ln-: looks like a budget video but somehow it's very fitting 17:21:54 <Bjarni> beats some other music videos 17:22:26 <ln-> Bjarni: the funny thing is that it's really produced by the tv-avgift authority. 17:22:28 <Bjarni> "Nordens Billigaste". <--- yeah.... sure looks like it 17:23:08 <ln-> those two artists are relatively well known and have performed as rabbit and cat many, many times before. 17:23:12 *** Gege [~jo-reggel@static-81-17-185-44.dunaweb.hu] has quit [] 17:24:04 <Bjarni> <ln-> Bjarni: the funny thing is that it's really produced by the tv-avgift authority. <-- here they spent a fortune building a new building that's way too expensive and costs just keeps on increasing and it's a crap building that's way too cold because the wind goes right in and such 17:24:16 <Bjarni> and they keep talking about how they want more money to make TV :s 17:25:27 <Bjarni> but luckily the politicians says that they can't just get more money from the viewers because they fuck up their economy by poor management and they still demand the same quality of TV. There is an interesting future for the TV in Denmark 17:27:33 <dihedral> i can remember someone who would 'ban' others for posting youtube links ;-) 17:27:33 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:34 <Bjarni> ln-: watching a 2nd time actually makes it kind of awesome :D 17:27:53 <Bjarni> dihedral: he isn't here so I discarded the ban rule 17:27:56 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:13 <dihedral> topic: And please, no YouTube.com Posting 17:28:18 <dihedral> :-P 17:28:27 <Bjarni> but the word "ban" isn't part of it anymore 17:28:47 <dihedral> no - it's a lot politer now 17:28:59 <dihedral> just nobody will pay attention to it :-P 17:29:20 <Bjarni> now it's like: "don't do it" (somebody does it anyway) "ok, but don't do it again" 17:29:37 <dihedral> yes - a bit like english and us police men 17:30:10 <Bjarni> it's like the Danish law regarding escaping prison 17:30:11 <dihedral> british police man: "Stop!, or i'll say 'stop!' again!" 17:30:20 <dihedral> us police man: <bank> "Stop!" 17:30:28 <dihedral> *<bang> 17:30:30 <dihedral> :-S 17:30:34 <Rotonen> where is the root of this anti-youtube? (or is it just to avoid unnecessary attention catching stuff from the web in general?) 17:30:46 <Bjarni> if you escape and is caught then you aren't supposed to get an additional penalty... but naturally you have to be there until you served your time 17:30:57 <HerzogDeXtE1> isnt this channel about openttd? :D 17:31:06 <dihedral> what is that, ottd... 17:31:08 <dihedral> :-P 17:31:14 <HerzogDeXtE1> ^^ 17:31:16 <dihedral> this is a youtube posting channel 17:31:21 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@71.114.48.3] has joined #openttd 17:31:29 <HerzogDeXtE1> ;D dihedral i dont think so 17:31:32 <Bjarni> Rotonen: it originates from the fact that youtube didn't work on TrueLight's computer but now he resigned 17:31:36 *** HerzogDeXtE1 is now known as HerzogDeXtEr 17:31:48 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A460E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 17:31:51 <Rotonen> kind of selfish, but ok :) 17:32:10 <dihedral> it's kinda annoying if everybody posts their funny vids here 17:32:14 <Bjarni> <HerzogDeXtE1> isnt this channel about openttd? :D <-- it's a waste of bandwidth not to use it when nobody talks about OpenTTD :P 17:32:38 <dihedral> lol 17:32:45 <HerzogDeXtEr> okay Bjarni :D it just was a joke... 17:32:54 <Rotonen> but by talking here you make all the routers inbetween draw more power and hence warm the globe more! 17:33:10 <HerzogDeXtEr> lol 17:33:35 * fjb thinks about leaving irc now. 17:33:49 <HerzogDeXtEr> xD 17:33:52 <Prof_Frink> YouTube's alright, non-youtube flash places less 17:33:54 <Prof_Frink> so 17:34:10 <Rotonen> although there are some really solid flash animations around there 17:34:22 <Rotonen> mostly the scene died at around 2003 17:34:29 <Bjarni> Rotonen: well... if you consider the rooter heating to be a major concern compared to say the merchant navy then I would like to see your reasons for thinking so 17:34:37 <Prof_Frink> 'caue I *know* youtube links have to be opened in fx rather than konqui, whereas with $videositeoftheday I don't 17:35:08 <fjb> Flash has one security hole after the other. I don't understand why people are always using flash. Especially for movies there are many better formats. 17:35:11 <Rotonen> Bjarni: just the direct link between power consumption and electricity production 17:35:25 <Rotonen> although there are renewal sources, non-carbon sources 17:35:33 <Rotonen> and not really going into that discussion :) 17:35:54 <Rotonen> fjb: well for animations it is a good format 17:35:57 <dihedral> Rotonen: sinse when is a network packet cpu intense? :-P 17:36:23 <Bjarni> besides... are you sure that routers use more power when really active. Remember that the LED turns off for a really short time when transferring. Can you prove that the less power to the LED is less than the extra spent on handling the package? 17:36:27 <Rotonen> dihedral: if the network hardware is decent, it won't go through the cpu of it at all 17:37:02 <Rotonen> Bjarni: i can prove more throughput of same type equals more power required 17:37:03 <dihedral> Rotonen: does that not depend on the router setup? 17:37:13 <Rotonen> yes, pretty much 17:37:33 <Rotonen> but i'm just fairly certain that talking here consumers more power around the world than idling here 17:37:39 <fjb> Hm, many modern network chips use a MIPS core... 17:37:48 * Sacro sits and wastes electric 17:38:00 <dihedral> wait Sacro i'll join you 17:38:10 <Bjarni> Sacro: you are a waste in general so there is nothing new there :P 17:38:18 <dihedral> LOL 17:38:20 <Sacro> actually, we got told at uni to use UK servers rather than Europe/Asian/US ones 17:38:21 * Prof_Frink plugs Sacro into the electric 17:38:24 <fjb> I have a cheap network card, that has more CPU power than my older PCs. 17:38:31 <Sacro> as it saves electric and lowers our carbon footprint 17:38:38 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: That's to save on long-dista 17:38:44 <Prof_Frink> nce call charges 17:38:58 <dihedral> just iptables does not run in the network chip 17:39:03 <Prof_Frink> Where are these enter characters coming from? 17:39:07 <Rotonen> Sacro: i think the real cause is indeed to save on upload traffic 17:39:24 <fjb> iptables? What crap is that? :-) 17:39:42 <Bjarni> at uni we have the servers on the intranet. It saves bandwidth 17:39:54 <Bjarni> and it also saves time when somebody decides to send a huge file 17:40:25 <dihedral> at uni at uni 17:40:27 <dihedral> ... 17:40:29 <dihedral> get a job 17:40:30 <Rotonen> pretty much any IT department should do that, yes 17:40:31 <dihedral> :-P 17:40:36 <Rotonen> naw, studying is far too much fun 17:40:47 <Rotonen> although i do have a job too :( 17:40:47 <Prof_Frink> s/study/drink/ 17:40:48 <Bjarni> we also have a tucows mirror on the intranet 17:40:59 <Rotonen> Prof_Frink: some things do not even need to be said :P 17:41:12 <Prof_Frink> http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/21755/1196012098/train.gif 17:41:24 <Rotonen> Bjarni: is that really useful or is it rather a remnant of the past? 17:41:25 <Bjarni> but I don't drink... should that mean that studying isn't fun or ? 17:42:06 <Bjarni> <Rotonen> Bjarni: is that really useful or is it rather a remnant of the past? <--- it was really useful when I needed to download a huge file and the speed was in MB/s all the time 17:42:42 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: your rail network sucks... it looks like your high speed steam train is slowed to a crawl 17:43:52 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-140-70.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:45:41 <Bjarni> anyway I don't think it's a huge concern that packages for IRC should create global warming due to extra load on the routers as I'm pretty sure the routers will not really be able to tell the difference 17:47:03 <Bjarni> Rotonen: if you want to do something good for the environment then stop farting and burping. Methane gas in farts and burps hurts the atmosphere more than CO2 17:47:25 <Prof_Frink> Rotonen: Or, light your own farts. 17:47:33 <Bjarni> you should also stop breathing because you exhale CO2 17:47:52 <Rotonen> in the spirit of the previous conversation in total: your argumentation is far too thorough and well versed 17:47:59 <Bjarni> basically you should stop living but you shouldn't die either because it's also bad to rot 17:48:03 <Bjarni> or burn 17:48:26 <Rotonen> diving into the sun would probably be the best 17:48:41 <Rotonen> more hydrogen for the star to burn and prolong our system 17:48:42 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:56 <Prof_Frink> Yes, 'cause the momentum transfer would push us away from the sun and cause the Earth to cool 17:49:00 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:17 <Bjarni> but then you need to escape the gravity of our own planet and to do so you take up energy that will also hurt the environment 17:49:38 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Solar powered rocket. 17:50:11 <Rotonen> the most ridiculous thing is that the could actually build one in the near future 17:50:13 *** Aerandir [~magic.pow@h77n1-ud-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 17:50:25 <Bjarni> but it hurts the environment to produce solar powered rockets 17:50:28 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 17:51:27 <Bjarni> we need something like a solar powered cannon to get rid of you without pollution and that we can reuse for the next environmental hazard 17:52:09 <SpComb> don't forget the gravity: www.conservegravity.org 17:52:16 <Gonozal_VIII> [18:50:11] Rotonen: the most ridiculous thing is that the could actually build one in the near future <-- a solar powered rocket? how should that work? 17:52:17 <SpComb> I wonder how much gravity talking on IRC uses up 17:52:27 <SpComb> I guess it depends on the altitude difference between the participants 17:52:56 <Bjarni> <SpComb> I wonder how much gravity talking on IRC uses up <-- it depends on the font size 17:53:06 <Prof_Frink> SpComb: So /that/'s why patchbloke left us 17:53:25 <Bjarni> and what kind of paper you use for printing your logs 17:53:40 <Rotonen> Gonozal_VIII: they're studying into proving or disproving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_Theory and so far they've proven more than disproven 17:54:20 <SpComb> Bjarni: http://photos.marttila.de/screenshots/irssi_font_size.png 17:54:45 <SpComb> perhaps I should note at this point that it's kind of hard to read text with this font size 17:55:00 <SpComb> and the resolution in terms of rows/cols in really big, meaning more data transferred over SSH 17:55:26 <Prof_Frink> SpCrazy 17:55:57 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:57 *** Leviath [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:57:23 <Bjarni> I don't get the conserve gravity idea... 17:59:28 <Bjarni> it's like saying that we should stop drinking because the oceans might run dry 17:59:33 <Rotonen> an absurd counter movement to overzealous carbon conservists? 17:59:47 <SpComb> shush 18:01:05 <Bjarni> carbon conservists? 18:01:23 <Sacro> hey KUDr :) 18:02:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B7D8E.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:15 <Bjarni> you mean those guys who thinks carbon should be in the ground where it has always been (in their lifetime)? 18:02:41 *** Leviath [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:44 <SpComb> there's carbon in my bones 18:02:58 <Bjarni> currently we have access to enough coal to power our civilisation for 300 years 18:03:14 <Bjarni> so we have a 300 year deadline for finding an alternative 18:03:39 <Bjarni> the deadline for oil is much shorter but we can always just revert to coal 18:04:17 <Bjarni> we can even use coal to produce oil if we like. It's just not very efficient 18:04:22 <Sacro> not the way i like to live 18:04:22 * Sacro melts SpComb down 18:04:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B7D8E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:04:49 <Bjarni> <Sacro> not the way i like to live <-- what do you mean by that? 18:05:03 <Sacro> i like to burn things 18:05:10 <Gonozal_VIII> setting free all the carbon that has been stored for millions of years won't destroy the earth but it will cause changes... we will have to adapt to that changes and that will cost us money... the trick is to predict those costs and balance them with the investment in alternate energy sources 18:05:52 <fjb> Bjarni: Should the people in DK not slowly start to develop submarine houses? 18:06:04 <Bjarni> Sacro: you are born a century too late... in 1907 they wanted a whole lot of people to shovel coal into steam engines... maybe even more earlier as the steam engines were less efficient 18:06:52 <Sacro> i want to work on the railways :( 18:07:24 <Bjarni> <fjb> Bjarni: Should the people in DK not slowly start to develop submarine houses? <-- actually the ground below Denmark was under a lot of pressure from the ice 10k years ago. The ground is like a huge sponge so it expands when the pressure is gone so the land is actually rising 18:07:48 <SpComb> better polish up those coal-powered steam engines in preperation for when the oil dries up 18:07:55 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-33-43.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:07:55 <Bjarni> <Sacro> i want to work on the railways :( <-- they have an electric future 18:08:03 <Sacro> Bjarni: i know 18:08:03 <fjb> Bjarni: You are lucky then. 18:08:09 <Sacro> i want electric and diesel :( 18:08:11 <SpComb> but meh, an oil production shortage would have severe effects upon the global economy 18:08:21 <Prof_Frink> Not if you play UKRS ;) 18:08:28 <SpComb> it's about more than suddenly, one day not being able to fill up at the gas station anymore 18:08:37 <Bjarni> <SpComb> but meh, an oil production shortage would have severe effects upon the global economy <-- yeah... the Norwegians would actually have to work 18:08:56 <Prof_Frink> Norway! 18:09:01 <hylej> forget norway 18:09:05 <hylej> kenya \o 18:09:08 <Gonozal_VIII> kenya! 18:09:09 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 18:09:10 <fjb> And US would have less wars. :-) 18:09:10 <Bjarni> I try but it's damn hard 18:09:11 <Sacro> ooh, a 142 for BVE 18:09:13 <SpComb> is there oil in kenya? 18:09:25 <Gonozal_VIII> that's a flash loop 18:09:25 <Sacro> possibly the crappiest DMU in the country 18:09:40 * Prof_Frink 125s Sacro 18:10:06 * hylej throws a F40PH at Sacro 18:10:19 <Bjarni> impressive 18:10:38 <Bjarni> not only do you guys appear to be rather strong, but you also have the right rolling stock near you 18:10:46 <Bjarni> and can aim pretty well over huge distances 18:11:13 * Sacro goes down to the air raid shelter 18:11:15 <hylej> we're awesome like that 18:11:48 * Bjarni watches as Sacro drowns 18:11:48 * Prof_Frink throws a TBM at Sacro 18:11:58 <Bjarni> people just claimed the sea to be raising 18:12:34 <Bjarni> but... it's an open question if that will really happen 18:12:47 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:12:48 <Gonozal_VIII> but throwing train engines over huge distances wastes lots of gravity! 18:12:57 <Bjarni> lol 18:13:17 <Bjarni> then you better get to the gravity station as soon as possible 18:14:39 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-253-193.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 18:15:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i've already chained myself to the floor so i won't float away :-) 18:15:07 <Bjarni> but seriously... if the global temperature raises then some ice will melt but hotter air will be able to contain more water. It's still an open question if the result of this will be raising or lowering sea levels 18:15:32 <Bjarni> besides melting floating ice will not make the water level rise 18:16:00 <fjb> But there is much ice on the land. 18:16:04 <Gonozal_VIII> as i said... it won't destroy the earth or kill millions of people and so on but it will change some things and that will cause costs 18:16:44 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:46 <Bjarni> <fjb> But there is much ice on the land. <--- there is lot's of ocean to fill up. Imagine how much water it takes to raise the Pacific 1 cm 18:17:08 <Bjarni> and if you increase the temperature enough to melt so much ice then the air will contain more water 18:17:42 <Gonozal_VIII> somewhere i read that the greenland ice would be 5m for global sea level... i don't know how well calculated that was 18:17:49 <fjb> The bigger problem is the raising temperature in the mountains. 18:18:22 <Rotonen> yes, that leaves a lot of people without water 18:19:18 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> somewhere i read that the greenland ice would be 5m for global sea level... i don't know how well calculated that was <-- Greenland is big but still... 18:19:41 <Bjarni> besides it's unlikely that all of it will melt in the near future 18:20:36 <Bjarni> it has been there for ages and it tells us the story of the planet's temperatures and what was in the air 18:20:37 <Gonozal_VIII> they didn't fear that it all melts but that it breaks apart and slides into the ocean 18:20:39 <Rotonen> well the problem is the water acting as a lubricant and sliding it all fairly rapidly into the ocean 18:21:20 *** Aerandir [~magic.pow@h77n1-ud-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:21:30 <Bjarni> drilling in the ice in Greenland has told us that the temperature has dropped noteworthy compared to 1000 years ago 18:21:51 <Bjarni> while it was much colder 400 years ago than it is today 18:22:33 <Bjarni> it also tells us that around 1880 the temperature dropped rapidly (most likely due to the eruption of Krakatora) 18:23:09 <Bjarni> while it was much colder than usual the scientists started to measure temperature and when the planet recovered the scientists noticed an increase in temperature (go figure) 18:23:10 <Rotonen> the temperature is not high, yes, but the rate at which it is rising, is new 18:23:50 <Bjarni> <Rotonen> the temperature is not high, yes, but the rate at which it is rising, is new <-- are you sure? It looks like it will just continue to rise at the same speed as it did the last 100 years 18:24:29 <Rotonen> have you actually taken a look at the raw data yourself? 18:24:36 <Bjarni> that is if you look at scientific evidence rather than what Al Gore pulls out of his hat (with no evidence or theory to support it) 18:25:09 <Bjarni> ALL scientists agreeds that there are nothing to support what Al Gore talks about 18:25:27 <Rotonen> well not all :) 18:25:36 <Bjarni> well... he might pay a few to do so but nobody that aren't paid by him 18:25:37 <Rotonen> but a healthy majority of oil funded ones, yes 18:25:58 <Rotonen> and no, not going to find a non-affiliated one soon 18:27:34 <Bjarni> 30 years ago the scientists claimed that we were heading for a new ice age 18:27:40 <Bjarni> now we will drown 18:27:48 <Bjarni> and boil 18:27:54 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: brb] 18:27:57 <Bjarni> I wonder what they will say in 30 years 18:30:24 <Gonozal_VIII> if the water rises, they will build higher dikes, if there will be less water available to drink, they will pay more for it, if it gets colder they will spend more on heating... nothing we can't adapt to... but we have to calculate if it's cheaper to change behaviour now or to adapt to a changing environment 18:30:30 <Bjarni> but the theory about CO2 is a good one for politicians. "black smoke is bad" and they can measure it and put taxes on it 18:30:38 <Bjarni> so they appear green to the voters 18:31:40 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E61.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:31:49 <Bjarni> so the theory of CO2 turned into a political case without real scientific proof 18:33:24 <Bjarni> and now it turned into a case where "it's common knowledge" that global warming is caused by CO2 so the fact that the sun is hyper active and more active than ever recorded before is discarded as a reason for global warming 18:34:11 <Rotonen> well the increase WAS measured.. :) 18:34:29 <Rotonen> just that it's in the wrong order of magnitude to be the culprit 18:35:14 <Bjarni> but nobody can tell that the impact of CO2 has the right order of magnitude 18:36:06 <Rotonen> it's the only known factor so far which has an impact, so it's easy to blame 18:37:08 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:12 <Bjarni> actually the original theory about CO2 is disproven because it tells that a certain layer in the atmosphere should keep the heat. That layer is actually cooling down 18:38:01 <Gonozal_VIII> reflect, not keep :-) 18:38:20 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:38:28 <Bjarni> there is no question that we should take care of the environment but.... there is no scientific evidence that whatever the politicians comes up with will have an effect 18:39:21 *** MarkSlap [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 18:39:51 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-33-43.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:03 <Bjarni> like the concept of cleaning the smoke from a coal powered powerplant for CO2 and putting it in tanks. We know that it can be done by testing it but we know that it takes 30% of the produced power to do so and then what to do with the stored CO2... the idea is to pump it into the ground and pray that it will stay there 18:40:46 <Bjarni> personally I consider a project like that a waste of money and resources compared to what else we could have done with the same resources 18:40:51 <Gonozal_VIII> that's stupid^^ 18:41:08 <Bjarni> also it will not remove everything from the smoke... I think it was like 85% of the CO2 or something like that 18:42:41 <SERVEPRO> all the people in siberia welcome global warming 18:42:50 <Bjarni> we can stop all the powerplants in the country and it wouldn't matter because other countries wouldn't do so 18:43:37 <Bjarni> and can you imagine China who is building coal powered powerplants right now would welcome an expense they can't pay and an output reduction of 30% for something as CO2 reduction? 18:44:02 <Rotonen> SERVEPRO: well it makes the terrain unpassable when it melts.. :) 18:44:03 <Bjarni> in reality we have less options than we have in theory 18:44:24 <Sacro> ooh, VS2008 18:45:27 <Bjarni> yeah... in the arctic regions they prefer below 0°C temperatures because otherwise everything will melt and their buildings will be submerged into the mud 18:45:46 <SERVEPRO> haha interesting i didn't know that 18:45:51 <Gonozal_VIII> storing co2 as a gas won't work... you could only try to store it with burrying plants or something like that... 18:45:56 <SERVEPRO> but you are right, china will burn all the coal 18:46:13 <SERVEPRO> and all the oil they can buy 18:46:39 <Bjarni> not to mention that snow below... -28°C (I think) will not melt when hitting stuff so it's not wet like we know snow and it will not join together in big piles like the snow we know 18:47:07 <Bjarni> it's like sugar or something... only small "grains" that will not stick together and is easy to move around 18:47:43 <SERVEPRO> usually snow around here freezes together into chunks like big rocks 18:47:56 <Rotonen> afaik -32 in some sane humidity, but still there's variation 18:47:59 <Bjarni> <SERVEPRO> but you are right, china will burn all the coal <-- what we could do would be to help China to increase power output by say 10% (would still be less efficient than our power plants) without using more coal 18:48:08 <Rotonen> how the crystals have formed, what is the humidity 18:48:42 <SERVEPRO> that will be helpful, but aren't they still going to burn the coal until it is all gone 18:49:06 <Bjarni> <SERVEPRO> usually snow around here freezes together into chunks like big rocks <-- no that's not the snow, that's snow that melts for a sec and then freezes as ice. If you prevent it from melting for a sec then the "glue" is gone 18:49:16 <SERVEPRO> i dont know frankly, i just dont see them moving to solar or something even if we do 18:49:27 <Bjarni> snow itself will not pack together in big balls 18:49:39 <SERVEPRO> hmmm, cool 18:49:41 <Bjarni> you can't make snowballs with really cold snow either 18:49:47 <SERVEPRO> awwwh =( 18:50:04 <Rotonen> well you can't really make snowballs when it's more than -5 celcius anyway 18:50:09 <Bjarni> that would be like taking some sugar and presume to make a ball out of it 18:50:14 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 18:50:37 <Bjarni> bbl 18:50:54 <Gonozal_VIII> [19:49:40] Bjarni: you can't make snowballs with really cold snow either <-- you can with enough pressure... but that's no fun 18:50:57 <SERVEPRO> white sugar ou brown ;) 18:51:22 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, technically it's not cold snow anymore then... 18:53:02 <Gonozal_VIII> we sometimes have -25° here but it doesn't snow when it's that cold... 18:54:51 <Rotonen> also making snowballs just wets your mittens and ruins the waterproof leathery ones 18:55:18 <Gonozal_VIII> real pros use bare hands 18:55:23 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 18:55:45 <Gonozal_VIII> much more control then 18:55:49 <SERVEPRO> yes, protection clothing is for the weakk 18:56:13 <Prof_Frink> See, I just use rocks 18:56:19 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 18:56:29 <Rotonen> well, in a serious snowfight, which might take hours, bare hands are not the choice of winners 18:56:33 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E61.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 18:57:01 <SERVEPRO> it depends whether you are allowed to wear clothing in the snow fight or not 18:57:10 <Prof_Frink> Oh, if we're taking things seriously, you can't beat an AK47 18:57:29 <Gonozal_VIII> you don't want to make a snowfight when it takes some minutes of preparation to get a single ball to stick together anyways.... 18:58:11 <Gonozal_VIII> you just throw some ice chunks then^^ 18:59:14 <Rotonen> Prof_Frink: well the modern all-metal variants with superior sights might have a significant leverage in an average firefight 18:59:39 <Rotonen> the original had 2 faults: poor sights and the selector made a click 19:00:08 <Prof_Frink> Rotonen: All metal and freezing temperatures may be a bad thing if you want to be able to put it down 19:00:18 <Gonozal_VIII> but cheap and reliable :-) 19:01:03 <Rotonen> Prof_Frink: well handles are customarily made from plastic these days, but "all metal" as in the integral parts 19:01:07 <Gonozal_VIII> just be sure to have dry hands all the time, shouldn't have a problem then 19:03:09 <Gonozal_VIII> yay nightly time 19:05:39 <Gonozal_VIII> now they want to clone trees :S 19:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> attack of the clone trees? is that a mixture of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings? 19:16:13 <Gonozal_VIII> they want to make an entire new forrest out of clones of some very old redwood tree 19:16:22 *** Szandor [~a@host-83-146-13-132.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:33 <Prof_Frink> Pfft 19:16:53 <Prof_Frink> The New Forest is over there <-- 19:17:30 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think that's a good idea... a forrest with lots of genetically identical trees would be very vulnerable 19:19:37 <Bjarni> back 19:20:23 <Bjarni> yeah we would want to have different trees so if one is hit with a disease then there is a chance that the one next to it will survive 19:20:53 *** Lord_Dudelsack [~Lord_Dude@p5480CEC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:16 <Bjarni> btw I just remembered some facts about China and powerplants. They are building new powerplants (mainly coal powered) so they increase their power output by the power output of England every year 19:21:39 <Bjarni> they aren't very efficient (like 30% or something) 19:21:53 <Bjarni> a standard Siemens power plant has an efficiency of 38% 19:22:09 <Bjarni> we have the most efficient in the world (49%) 19:22:24 <Bjarni> and that's pure electricity 19:23:00 <Bjarni> we use the cooling water as a heating source so we actually use more than 90% of the energy in the coal 19:23:02 <Gonozal_VIII> is that with fuel cell technology or something? 19:23:34 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> is that with fuel cell technology or something? <-- fuel cells has an efficiency of around 25% as it is now and I'm talking about coal powered powerplants 19:24:00 <Bjarni> the trick is to use as high pressure as possible and they use somewhere around 300 atm 19:24:26 <Bjarni> so a single litre of steam is really full of energy 19:24:55 <Bjarni> also the burner is constantly tweaked for max efficiency (airflow and so on) 19:25:31 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7891.html 19:25:34 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:25:36 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 19:26:44 <Bjarni> But during the conversion of one form of energy to another, about 65% of the coal's energy is lost, says Weibel. <-- fits with the description of a Siemens standard powerplant that uses 38% 19:26:50 <Bjarni> (and that's a modern one) 19:27:38 <Gonozal_VIII> that's because it is the description of a modern coal powerplant 19:27:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> 38% is already a lot... 19:27:57 <Bjarni> but it's not as good as we can build them 19:28:46 <Bjarni> but Siemens will have to support and repair the plants after they are build and then they will not dare to push for really high efficiency like we do with our homemade powerplants 19:30:35 <Bjarni> I believe that the fuel cells has a future but it's in the future, not right now 19:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> any future has a path that leads there 19:31:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> it does not make *snap* and suddenly it comes 19:31:51 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 19:31:56 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.azom.com/news.asp?newsID=4962 <-- there they write about 50% 19:32:09 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:33:03 <Bjarni> The program's goal is to develop a multi-megawatt SOFC power system, 100 megawatts and larger, with at least 50 percent overall efficiency <--- "goal" 19:33:53 <Gonozal_VIII> FuelCell Energy recently announced an electrical efficiency milestone of 56 percent for the DFC/T power plant, a record for a combined cycle sub-megawatt fuel cell power plant. 19:34:14 <Bjarni> hmm 19:35:11 <Bjarni> looks interesting 19:35:31 <Bjarni> I wonder how well it works 19:35:36 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-52-118.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:44 <Bjarni> I mean the biproducts 19:36:01 <Bjarni> today we have SO2 and NOx as serious issues when burning coal 19:36:49 <Bjarni> looks like it can take care of the NOx issue by using a lower temperature 19:37:21 <Bjarni> but what will happen with the sulfur in the coal and will it do anything else that we didn't expect and don't want it to do 19:39:46 <Sacro> sulPHer 19:39:49 <Sacro> damn yanks 19:41:06 <Bjarni> yanks? 19:41:33 <Sacro> americans 19:41:40 <Bjarni> o_O 19:42:07 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [such an insult was uncalled for] 19:42:59 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:43:01 <Sacro> D: 19:43:12 <Bjarni> I thought the same thing 19:43:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> but shouldn't it be sulphUr? 19:43:25 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:43:37 <Rotonen> any more capitalizations available for emphasizing? 19:43:49 <Bjarni> I try to write in your language and because I make a single spelling mistake you show up with a mighty insult 19:43:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, the real name is "Schwefel" ;) 19:44:28 <Gonozal_VIII> A Yankee is someone of United States origin or heritage. 19:44:44 <Bjarni> hence the insult 19:44:50 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe 19:45:05 <Bjarni> I'm not related to anybody in USA 19:45:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> over how many edges do you count? 19:45:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11524 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1485]: assertion when tram reversed at a station. 19:46:03 <Bjarni> my granddad once got a letter from a lawyer that the single person from the family who went there died without family so now all his cousins in Europe got his money 19:46:37 <Bjarni> it kind of looked like the American dream happened for him because it was a decent amount of money and my granddad bought a brand new car for the money 19:46:51 <Bjarni> while wondering "who was this guy. I never heard of him" 19:47:23 <Bjarni> that's basically how well related I am to USA... one guy nobody heard about and who died without getting any children 19:51:40 <Sacro> Rotonen: emphasiSing 19:52:03 <Sacro> Bjarni: i said "bloody yanks" cos it was them who bastardised the name 19:53:07 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm i like that "o" instead of "ou" stuff they do 19:54:24 *** Desolator [Desolator@86.126.36.197] has joined #openttd 19:54:34 <Rotonen> Sacro: thank you for the correction, but do save some mercy for the non-natives such as us 19:54:38 <Desolator> h!ola 19:54:42 <Desolator> *hola! 19:54:52 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 19:54:54 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: yes, they are great in destroying anything and everything... 19:55:00 <Sacro> Rotonen: I am teaching the foreigners how to speak English 19:55:57 <Desolator> could you recommend me a gnu/linux distro? I tried Ubuntu & Xubuntu, but they're quite simple... 19:56:12 <Rubidium> Learning them to speak English, it is rather about writing it. 19:56:27 <Rubidium> Desolator: LFS 19:56:36 <Gonozal_VIII> knoppix :D 19:56:50 *** Knightmare [~smithj@77-97-50-77.cable.ubr03.cast.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:56:55 <Knightmare> hey guys 19:56:56 <Sacro> Desolator: Arch Linux 19:57:03 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 19:57:06 * Sacro <3s it 19:57:07 <Desolator> neah, no livecd stuff, it's slower that a turtle 19:57:24 <Desolator> Sacro: Arch is a bit to...complicated 19:57:28 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: i said "bloody yanks" cos it was them who bastardised the name <-- you did it in a way that indicated that you meant that I should be one of those people who vandalise a perfectly good language like English 19:57:29 <Sacro> Desolator: in what way? 19:57:52 <Knightmare> can someone confirm a bug for me...? What do i need to post, my cfg, the sav & what else...? 19:58:03 <Rotonen> arch is a nice distro if you constantly manage to keep it up to date and are not drowned in the infinite configuring of chancing specifications 19:58:15 <Rubidium> start with telling what the 'issue' is? 19:58:19 <Bjarni> Knightmare: knowing what version you use and what OS would help too 19:58:23 <Desolator> Sacro: how about needing to ask a ton of questions about how to install X & Y, why Z doesn't work, etc. on my first install 19:58:26 <Bjarni> depending on what the issue is 19:58:33 <Knightmare> i get the NOT_REACHED triggered at line 152 of /compile_farm/openttd/nightly/compile_dir/src/slope.h on XP when using any nightly or 0.6b 19:58:41 <Sacro> Desolator: pacman -S foo 19:58:42 <Prof_Frink> Desolator: Debian. 19:58:45 <hylej> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg/608px-Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg 19:58:48 <Sacro> or pacman -Ss foo to search 19:58:57 <Sacro> hylej: damn pbs 19:59:11 <Bjarni> Knightmare: ok that is an issue... could you tell when it happens. Is it linked to a specific action or something? 19:59:16 <Rubidium> Knightmare: that would require the savegame and how to reproduce it. 19:59:45 <Knightmare> ok, so this happens when trying to load said savegame. I can post GRFs and such on a server if that helps 20:00:18 <Knightmare> Bjarni: its from main menu trying to load savegame which works ok in 0.5.3 20:00:20 <Rubidium> Knightmare: does *any* nightly also mean the one of today? 20:00:32 <Knightmare> yes just tested tonights and the 0.6RC 20:00:44 <Bjarni> hylej: that's a good case of what can happen as a result of a brake failure. The teacher put this one on the screen when he was about to talk about train brakes and how to ensure that they work as expected 20:01:12 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Why not the infamous "Shit!" poster? 20:01:19 <Desolator> 0.6RC? Cool! The beta period went over so fast! 20:01:34 <Knightmare> beta, sorry :-* 20:01:41 <Bjarni> surprisingly only one person was seriously hit... the newspaper seller on the street who got hit in the head 20:01:50 <Bjarni> and is likely still under the engine when the picture was taken 20:01:54 <Prof_Frink> Ah, it /is/ that one 20:02:15 <Prof_Frink> That'll teach me to look at links before commenting on them. 20:02:17 <Knightmare> affecting all my savegames, tested without "slopes built on" and seems ok 20:02:17 <Gonozal_VIII> driver wasn't hurt? 20:02:25 <Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Why not the infamous "Shit!" poster? <--- most likely... it's used all over when it comes to train brake safety 20:02:51 * Prof_Frink points at his later commentary 20:02:55 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> driver wasn't hurt? <-- the driver and the fireman jumped off onto the platform before the train derailed because they knew what would happen 20:03:06 <Rubidium> "The train, the quickest way to get into the city" 20:03:12 <Bjarni> hehe 20:03:14 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 20:03:21 <Bjarni> this is the main station in the heart of Paris 20:03:50 <Prof_Frink> Maybe he was trying to go on the Undergroud 20:03:55 <Bjarni> they think it was due to ice in the brakepipe so when the locomotive started braking the wagons didn't 20:04:04 <Rubidium> oh, that's the reason why they have a "Gare du Nord" and a "Gare du Sud" now, that was the old main station ;) 20:04:32 <Knightmare> http://77.97.50.77 if anyone wants to grab my stuff 20:04:36 <Bjarni> I think this one is the northern one 20:04:55 <Knightmare> it's based on glasgow underground, but i added lots more lines :) 20:05:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> actually it's gare du nord and gare de l'est 20:05:25 <hylej> no screenshots? 20:05:40 *** hylej is now known as hylje 20:05:53 <Rubidium> well, with 0.003 MB/s it won't be very useful 20:06:23 <Knightmare> should be faster now 20:06:32 <Bjarni> closed your p2p client? 20:06:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> tuned down $filesharing_tool? 20:07:07 <Knightmare> yeah i was seeding suse 10.3, doh 20:07:24 <Knightmare> http://77.97.50.77/Strathclyde%20Transport%2C%2015th%20Jun%201992.png 20:07:28 <Knightmare> screenie 20:07:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i'd have said that, too :p 20:07:49 <Bjarni> :D 20:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> urgs... 90° turns... 20:08:20 <Bjarni> when I decided to share the OTTD distributions I didn't have any bandwidth issues 20:09:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> wouldn't it make more sense to have the trains turn around in the station (dead end) instead? 20:09:19 <Knightmare> yeah, it has some poor design details 20:09:24 <Bjarni> Knightmare: this is totally unrelated to the bug report but... why is there catenary on the signal tile (in the middle)? 20:09:41 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause2: turning place 20:10:04 <Knightmare> think i put elrails instead of normal rails 20:10:31 <Knightmare> i was trying to electrify the system and failing 20:10:35 <Gonozal_VIII> i get that not reached thing too 20:11:19 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: you are banned :P 20:11:38 <Knightmare> when (if) the game is loaded, there are lots of lines running that have no houses near to them. I put the track down first 20:12:05 <Bjarni> I think somewhere in Austria there is a guy who got *!*@*.at banned 20:12:24 <Gonozal_VIII> .... 20:12:48 <Bjarni> stealth banning... it simply looks like you are trying to reach files that's not there 20:12:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> i once banned *.t-dialin.net 20:13:26 <Bjarni> I once banned *.uk and then Sacro started laughing because I missed him with his .com domain so I banned *.com too 20:13:30 <Bjarni> in here 20:13:39 <Bjarni> well 20:13:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> it wouldn't make much sense to ban sacro elsewhere :p 20:13:59 <Bjarni> but not for long 20:14:04 *** Desolator [Desolator@86.126.36.197] has quit [Quit: Leaving FTW!] 20:14:09 <Prof_Frink> Why not just ban * and be done with it? 20:14:13 <Knightmare> a good thing would be train depots you can drive through, as the train depot can cause lots of train accidents 20:14:27 <SmatZ> I once banned *!*@* , so nobody could join, I was the master 20:14:28 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> it wouldn't make much sense to ban sacro elsewhere :p <-- actually it would make sense to ban him everywhere but that's besides the point 20:15:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> SmatZ: and that was in #i_am_the_master? 20:15:23 <Knightmare> ok, has everyone taken the files they need from me? I dont want to leave http server going so long 20:15:24 <Gonozal_VIII> [21:14:13] Knightmare: a good thing would be train depots you can drive through <-- very new idea, nobody thought about that before ;-) 20:15:36 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: no, there is Bjarni master 20:15:51 <Knightmare> heh, well, i add +1 vote for it ;) 20:16:10 <Prof_Frink> SmatZ: Unfortunately The Master was defeated by The Doctor 20:16:25 <SmatZ> :-p 20:16:25 <Knightmare> i need to code the car hoist GRF for that scenario before < 1970 20:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> Doctor Who? 20:16:37 <Prof_Frink> Badum 20:16:38 <SmatZ> Prof_Frink: I don't know that one :( 20:16:45 <Prof_Frink> (tish) 20:17:10 <SmatZ> #i_am_the_master - yes, I am :) 20:17:28 <Bjarni> damn right now I forgot his name but our wiki maintainer once managed to ban himself from the wiki so he couldn't log on and unban himself. He wanted to test it and banned himself for 5 minutes. After 5 hours he declared that he needed help as he was still banned 20:17:54 <Bjarni> --- Cannot join #i_am_the_master (You are banned). 20:17:57 <SmatZ> Bjarni: yes, I am the master 20:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a real shame they do not broadcast Doctor Who here... 20:18:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> the channel bought the rights... 20:18:33 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause2: The latest series was pretty shit 20:18:38 <Prof_Frink> Except for one episode 20:18:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> and always announces it for the next spring/summer/autumn/winter 20:18:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> but never actually show it 20:19:10 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause2: Don't blink. 20:19:31 <Prof_Frink> DOn't turn your back, don't look away, and whatever you do, don't blink! 20:19:35 <SmatZ> Bjarni: how did he solve that ban? 20:19:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> format c: 20:20:03 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> Bjarni: how did he solve that ban? <-- server admin had to unban him 20:20:24 <Gonozal_VIII> what if server admin bans himself?^^ 20:20:26 <Rubidium> Knightmare: the issue should be solved now 20:20:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11525 /trunk/src/ (openttd.cpp town.h town_cmd.cpp): 20:20:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: do not do all kinds of 'updates' for town, waypoint, station and other 20:20:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: signs when you haven't converted the map to the 'current' format as that means 20:20:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: you are going to read data in the 'old' format when you assume that it is in the 20:20:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: 'current' format. 20:20:29 <SmatZ> I wonder what would happen if the server admin would have banned himself 20:20:58 <Knightmare> http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1057&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 for anyone interested in the glasgow pics 20:21:05 <Prof_Frink> SmatZ: DB hackery probably 20:22:08 <Gonozal_VIII> so low O_o 20:22:22 <Bjarni> Knightmare: seen this one? http://www.leverton.org/tunnels/botanic/ 20:22:37 <Gonozal_VIII> how do large people fit in there? 20:23:30 <SmatZ> scary 20:23:36 <Bjarni> they are passengers not people 20:23:49 <Gonozal_VIII> passengers aren't people? 20:23:50 <Ammlller> possible that a client could desync because of different OS? 20:23:57 <hylje> abandoned rails ftw 20:24:29 <Ammlller> only windows clients are connected all the time, other desync after 1min 20:24:30 <Knightmare> clockwork orange is a crazy undergorund 20:24:41 <Knightmare> i use it only occasionaly 20:24:43 <Bjarni> <Ammlller> possible that a client could desync because of different OS? <-- it's more likely that a client can desync due to a different endianess 20:24:45 <Gonozal_VIII> people is the superclass of passengers :-) 20:25:10 <SmatZ> Ammlller: and the server runs on windows? 20:25:15 <Bjarni> there is nothing super about passengers 20:25:27 <Ammlller> server runs on linux 20:25:30 <Bjarni> this is Glasgow, remember? 20:25:39 <Gonozal_VIII> i didn't say that, people are super ;-) 20:25:39 <Ammlller> wait, I have something to check 20:25:41 <Bjarni> Ammlller: x86? 20:25:45 <Knightmare> Bjarni: i hadnt seen that, no. Looks good tho 20:26:04 <hylje> there's not only one but two underground incomplete metro stations here in helsinki 20:26:55 <Bjarni> Knightmare: here is the page that I was actually trying to find... this guy makes his way passed the gate and into the platform http://www.urbanadventure.org/main/2002trip/scotland/glasgow2.htm 20:27:00 <Bjarni> there is a forest down there 20:27:14 <Bjarni> the botanic garden station has changed into a forest :D 20:27:36 <hylje> why was that line abandoned? 20:27:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Gonozal_VIII> passengers aren't people? <- soylent green is people 20:27:46 <Knightmare> if they build second circle for 2014 i will need to update this map :D 20:28:01 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe 20:28:46 <Bjarni> I think it was wrong to close the line with the botanic garden (can't remember the line name). It would be nice to have it today 20:28:49 <Ammlller> does it hurt, if a server is not compiled with --enable-dedicated? 20:29:01 <Knightmare> you could ammend my map to add it ;) 20:29:02 <Gonozal_VIII> it's wrong to close any line 20:29:04 <Bjarni> but the tunnels are still there... they could just go down there and lay new tracks 20:29:22 <Bjarni> after they used chainsaws to cut the forest away 20:29:24 <Ammlller> it does "only" use more cpu usage, or is there something else? 20:29:45 <hylje> Bjarni: suppose they would need to clean up the base too 20:29:58 <hylje> Bjarni: but semi-vegetated platforms would be kewl 20:30:03 <Bjarni> that is part of the track laying part 20:30:25 <hylje> i thought getting rid of trees is also a part of that 20:31:21 <Bjarni> just take a big locomotive and you solve that part 20:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ammlller: it does not do anything more, you just need more dependencies and get a bigger binary 20:32:54 <Bjarni> yeah 20:33:03 <Bjarni> the bigger binary is a huge issue 20:33:30 <Knightmare> http://www.futureglasgow.co.uk/Rail.html for the second line 20:33:34 <Gonozal_VIII> yes.. hard to fit it on a dvd that way... 20:34:02 <hylje> Bjarni: one needs to build the rails before running some locos on it 20:34:18 <Bjarni> that depends 20:34:40 <Bjarni> if you reach the end of the tracks with high enough speed then you clear the forest in front of the track 20:34:51 <Knightmare> do i need to do anything else with this bug, and where should i be reporting it..? 20:35:21 <Gonozal_VIII> you need a track laying train that has wheels in the front part :-) 20:38:00 <Bjarni> hylje posted a link that shows that you are demanding too much 20:39:35 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:40:52 <Bjarni> http://www.steamlocomotive.com/GG1/gg101.jpg <-- as you can see the need for tracks is highly overrated 20:42:15 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... you'll get rid of the trees that way.. but then you have a huge chunk of metal lying around there instead 20:42:25 <Knightmare> ah 20:42:35 <dihedral> Bjarni: correct me if i am wrong, but amd and ppc use same endianness? 20:42:35 <SmatZ> Bjarni: what is that? 20:42:40 <Knightmare> maybe i should scale down my metro efforts :D 20:42:41 <Bjarni> a GG1 20:42:43 <SmatZ> some poor, dead train 20:43:16 <Bjarni> PRR 4876 in 1953 in Washington DC 20:43:43 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> some poor, dead train <-- it survived and wasn't withdrawn until 1984 20:43:48 <dihedral> Bjarni: that was with regard to desyncs on the mz games 20:44:18 <Bjarni> <dihedral> Bjarni: correct me if i am wrong, but amd and ppc use same endianness? <-- PPC is big endian and AMD is little endian 20:44:37 <SmatZ> dihedral: interesting... I though ppc uses BE and x86/amd64 LE, but it seems ppc can switch to LE too 20:44:38 <dihedral> Mucht has AMD 64 X2 20:44:44 <SmatZ> Bjarni: :) 20:44:53 <dihedral> Osai has G5 20:44:55 <dihedral> i have G4 20:45:04 <Bjarni> all PPC are big endian 20:45:14 <dihedral> all AMD i take it are be 20:45:30 <Bjarni> except the 400 series that has a little endian mode so the software controls what endianess they have 20:45:39 <SmatZ> Bjarni: maybe wiki is wrong - "Most PowerPC chips switch endianness via a bit in the MSR (Machine State Register), with a second bit provided to allow the OS to run with a different endianness" 20:45:42 <Bjarni> Apple used the 600, 700 and 900 series 20:45:46 <dihedral> ok - but the AMD64 X2 20:46:03 <Bjarni> SmatZ: what wiki? 20:46:05 <Bjarni> where? 20:46:10 <SmatZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC#Endian-modes 20:46:47 <Bjarni> well 20:46:58 <dihedral> Bjarni: i was in the game with an AMD XP 2400+ and the PPC G4 20:47:09 <dihedral> and i did not desync with my amd 20:47:15 <dihedral> Mucht desynced though with his 20:47:25 <Bjarni> anyway whenever an Apple OS runs on a PPC it runs in big endian mode 20:47:25 <Mucht> at the same time as Osai... 20:47:36 <dihedral> yes 20:47:40 <dihedral> all was at the same time 20:47:43 <dihedral> watching the same town 20:47:50 <SmatZ> Bjarni: most likely 20:48:24 <Bjarni> G3 and G4 use reading in reversed byte order or switch endianess in hardware rather than software. It's a bit slower than normal read but it's way faster than software conversion 20:48:26 <dihedral> Bjarni: should i not have desynced then with my amd? 20:48:36 <Bjarni> for some reason this feature is not available in G5... 20:48:45 <dihedral> oh 20:48:50 <dihedral> wow 20:49:09 <Bjarni> but then again G5 has a lot of other cool features 20:49:18 <Bjarni> like two ALUs 20:49:37 <dihedral> but then it got too warm to be put into the powerbooks :-P 20:49:39 <Bjarni> an endian conversion isn't a big issue in OpenTTD anyway 20:49:55 <ln-> bigger than it should be 20:49:58 <dihedral> then why would *nix based os's desync 20:50:00 <dihedral> and win not 20:50:21 <Bjarni> I mean it's not done in the game, only when loading/saving and other times when time isn't a real issue 20:51:14 <Bjarni> dihedral: here is the rule for endian related desyncs: if there is an endian issue then big endian and little endian will do something different with the same input 20:51:28 <Bjarni> since they do something different then somebody will desync 20:51:38 <dihedral> makes sense 20:51:40 <Bjarni> and that will be everybody doing something that the server didn't do 20:51:47 <dihedral> yes 20:51:53 <dihedral> sure 20:52:07 <dihedral> but if you say that osx runs in BE mode on a G4 20:52:14 <Bjarni> so basically the computers that desyncs will be the computers that use a different endianess than the server 20:52:14 <dihedral> and amd is BE 20:52:26 <Bjarni> G4 is BE 20:52:30 <Bjarni> AMD is LE 20:52:54 <dihedral> sorry - my bad 20:52:58 <Bjarni> AMD is designed to execute windows and windows is hardcoded LE 20:53:12 <Bjarni> OSX for PPC is hardcoded BE 20:53:12 <dihedral> and linux on AMD 20:53:26 <Bjarni> OSX for intel macs is hardcoded LE 20:54:08 <Bjarni> because of that you will find a few (one?) ifdef in the OSX specific files depending on endianess 20:54:10 <ln-> dihedral: where the hell did you get the idea that AMD is BE? 20:54:28 <dihedral> yes ok, so both the g4 and g5 desynced 20:54:33 <Bjarni> basically it's #ifdef big ending then set big endian flag in sound driver 20:54:35 <dihedral> but out of 2 amd's only one desynced 20:54:59 <Bjarni> <dihedral> but out of 2 amd's only one desynced <-- this clearly showed that it's not an endian issue 20:55:24 <dihedral> so - how could one find out what _is_ the issue? 20:56:49 <dihedral> unless of course there were an endianess diff in amx64 x2 and amd xp 2400 20:58:57 <ln-> there is no endianness difference between amds. 20:59:27 <SmatZ> maybe some newgrf problem, like InteractiveRandom() used where Random() should be used, or rendering affecting some newgrf register that is then used to switch to Random() etc... 20:59:47 <SmatZ> I saw a lot of desyncs while new industry was built, but that was probably fixed 20:59:54 <Knightmare> well i am going to shoot 21:00:05 <Knightmare> thanks for your patience tonight guys ;) 21:00:51 *** Knightmare [~smithj@77-97-50-77.cable.ubr03.cast.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 21:02:52 <dihedral> Bjarni - SmatZ : is there anything i could do to find out? 21:03:26 <Bjarni> <dihedral> so - how could one find out what _is_ the issue? <--- sometimes it's easier to rule out what it's not 21:04:28 <Bjarni> <dihedral> Bjarni - SmatZ : is there anything i could do to find out? <--- I know a way but you are not going to like it 21:04:46 <dihedral> i am curious now 21:04:47 <Bjarni> find a savegame that will desync for sure 21:04:54 *** NarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 21:05:03 <dihedral> we have a save that will desync for sure 21:05:10 <Bjarni> then start the game with the conditions that will make it desync 21:05:23 <dihedral> it's paused on the mz 21:05:23 <Bjarni> edit openttd.cfg for the server and the desyncing client 21:05:39 <dihedral> what do i need to add? 21:05:47 <Bjarni> you can't edit the config when the game is running 21:05:57 <dihedral> no 21:05:59 <dihedral> :-P 21:06:11 <Bjarni> savegame_format = none 21:06:16 <dihedral> nice 21:06:19 <dihedral> hehehe 21:06:24 <Bjarni> that is ludde talk for "no compression" 21:06:30 <Bjarni> now the savegames will be huge 21:06:41 <dihedral> and then save every month 21:06:45 <Bjarni> every say 21:06:47 <Bjarni> *day 21:06:53 <ludde> hi Bjarni 21:06:54 <Bjarni> but I forgot how to set it to do that 21:06:56 <dihedral> i did not know i could do that 21:06:57 <Bjarni> hi ludde 21:07:05 <Bjarni> maybe you can remember 21:07:10 <Wolf01> 'night 21:07:12 <dihedral> and when it desyncs, diff 21:07:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host8-239-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:07:16 <Bjarni> how do you set OpenTTD to save every day? 21:07:29 <Bjarni> I used to do that with you to find the cause of desyncs 21:07:35 <ludde> asking me? i don't remember 21:07:43 <Bjarni> same here :( 21:07:50 <ludde> just edit the code to save it every day? 21:07:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd say move up the line in the tick handler 21:08:06 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> there's some line like _do_autosave = true 21:08:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> inside an if (new month) block 21:08:36 <Bjarni> dihedral: well, somebody will have some code reading/editing to do to figure out how to make it save every day 21:08:39 <Gonozal_VIII> save every tick? :D 21:08:50 <Bjarni> maybe that would be a good idea 21:09:04 <Bjarni> but once a day could be enough 21:09:11 <dihedral> Bjarni: if it's not endieness based desync, can i run the server and client on the same machiene? 21:09:20 <Bjarni> then run the game as single player on the server and the client using the same settings 21:09:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> tick handler has the form "do tick stuf, if (new day) { new day stuff, if (new month) { ... }}" 21:09:39 <Bjarni> and wait until after the desync will happen 21:09:52 <Bjarni> disable background saving too as it will cause problems when saving that often 21:10:10 <Bjarni> them use md5 or something to find the first savegame that's different 21:10:27 <Bjarni> those two savegames will tell what's different and give a clue to what went wrong 21:10:43 <Bjarni> dihedral: got the idea? 21:10:44 <Gonozal_VIII> very good idea bjarni 21:10:47 <dihedral> Bjarni: sure :-) 21:10:59 <Bjarni> but don't do anything 21:11:05 <dihedral> of course not 21:11:09 <Bjarni> even scrolling around the map will modify the savegame 21:11:14 <dihedral> oh 21:11:18 <dihedral> sure 21:11:20 <dihedral> yes 21:12:08 <Bjarni> right now it's the only way I can think of on how to track down this problem because nobody has a clue to what actually goes wrong 21:12:30 <dihedral> that's fine 21:12:32 <dihedral> i'll do that 21:13:09 <Bjarni> I can remember when we used to do this and it turned out that x86 and PPC didn't handle an overflow in the same way and it resulted in a town building different buildings when expanding... that would have been more or less impossible to find without doing this 21:13:13 <Bjarni> "but I didn't do anything" 21:14:17 <dihedral> i could see if it desyncs on my amd running linux too 21:14:19 <Bjarni> the hardest bugs to track down are bugs that's completely unrelated to user interaction 21:15:33 <dihedral> Bjarni: i'll let you know latest in 2 weeks how that turned out :-) 21:15:45 <Bjarni> no rush 21:15:49 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:50 <Bjarni> I have exams :( 21:16:02 <Bjarni> besides 21:16:10 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:16:12 <dihedral> i'll be in sweeden in one week :-) 21:16:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> did you manage the autosave thingie? 21:16:21 <Osai> Bjarni, dihedral: http://osai.ath.cx/extern/ottd/game.sav 21:16:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> back when i played daylength x32 in miniin, i did that 21:16:45 <dihedral> i guess that will not be much of a problem to get it to save every day 21:16:47 <Bjarni> I wonder who would be best to figuring out what is different in the two savegames based on hex reading 21:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> because a day is as long as a month normally 21:17:09 <Bjarni> <dihedral> i'll be in sweeden in one week :-) <-- any reason for this torture? 21:17:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> there was this line "_do_autosave = true;" in date.c 21:17:19 <dihedral> visiting friends 21:17:21 <dihedral> meany 21:17:36 <dihedral> nice - thank you Eddi|zuHause2 21:17:59 <dihedral> well then - off to bed for me 21:18:06 <Bjarni> already? 21:18:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> just move that from the monthly section to the daily section a few lines up 21:18:21 <dihedral> work tomorrow 21:18:22 <Bjarni> are you going to get up at 5 O'clock to milk the cows or something? 21:18:41 <dihedral> and the mz game yesterday made me stay up until 3am 21:19:08 <dihedral> and i only have until Thursday to meet the deadline and finish a project 21:19:35 <Bjarni> then sleeping is wrong 21:19:43 <Bjarni> you should be working on it :P 21:19:53 <dihedral> i will - as of tomorrow 21:20:30 <Bjarni> right 21:22:16 <dihedral> night 21:22:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyone knows how to handle Ark? i want it to automatically choose RAR format if i unpack a .r00 file 21:23:01 *** dihedral [~dihedral_@dslb-084-057-243-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 21:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> it always asks me because it is not a standard extension... 21:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> and i don't want to click on the .rar file, because that one is always at the bottom of the list 21:23:45 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-253-193.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:23:52 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe 21:25:11 <Gonozal_VIII> so you'll have to scroll a little for your illegal filesharing stuff ;-) 21:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it's just an additional click... 21:25:41 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: Try Kontrollzentrum/dateizuordnungen. 21:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> and it does not have anything to do with filesharing 21:26:23 <Gonozal_VIII> why else would you use such multi volume packages? 21:26:26 * Prof_Frink can rarely be bothered with ark 21:26:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: no, the .r00 files are associated with ark 21:26:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> just after opening them, ark asks what format it is 21:27:08 <Prof_Frink> `unrar x <tab>.rar` 21:27:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: for example, a DVD is 4.4GB, but you can only put 4GB files on them 21:27:53 <Gonozal_VIII> and you have files, that require so many 4gb parts that you have to scroll for the .rar tile? 21:27:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> Prof_Frink: that is slower than right click -> extract -> extract here (click) 21:28:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes ;) 21:29:09 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause2: Not if you're sitting at a term parked in the appropriate dir 21:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: i also have files packed to 100MB to fit on a zip dirk 21:29:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> Prof_Frink: that is an argument for my side ;) 21:29:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> *disk 21:30:19 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A580C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:34:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81508.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 21:37:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81508.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:37:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:50:06 *** Gege [~jo-reggel@static-81-17-185-44.dunaweb.hu] has joined #openttd 21:50:44 <Gege> good evening 21:50:51 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 21:52:24 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@71.114.48.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:15 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 22:02:33 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:10:47 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 22:10:56 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:26 <ln-> attention 22:12:02 <fjb> I don't think so. 22:12:35 <ln-> is anyone working for, or otherwise in contact with a company that imports computer accessories from asia? 22:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i'm right he... what a beautiful butterfly... 22:13:03 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 22:13:48 <Gonozal_VIII> most computer stuff comes from asia? 22:16:36 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5558A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:16:36 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A580C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:04 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A580C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:11 <ln-> there must be at least five TNG episodes where a starfleet admiral arrives on Enterprise, and then is eventually found out to do something crazy and is relieved of duty. 22:22:14 <Rotonen> as expendable as ever 22:22:58 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A580C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 22:23:52 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-140-70.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:26:00 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B04270C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 22:34:44 *** |fjb| [~frank@p5485C437.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:40 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-152-79-231.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:36:41 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:03 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 22:41:38 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C205.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:56 *** divoafx [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 22:56:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-182-208.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:57:39 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 23:02:20 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-167-059.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:03:25 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N874P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:20 *** |fjb| [~frank@p5485C437.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 23:05:30 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N724P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:06:12 *** Leviath [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 23:06:14 *** Leviath [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [] 23:06:31 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-133-71-38.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:06:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:48 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-176-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:00 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:15:26 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:18:52 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-144-137-110-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:20:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:20:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 23:21:12 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-152-79-231.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:23:15 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B7167.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:23:57 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B7167.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:31 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B7167.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:24:36 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:28:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BDC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:42 *** Lord_Dudelsack [~Lord_Dude@p5480CEC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:29:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B7D8E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:58 *** Omnituens [~A1@host86-133-93-4.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:32:27 <Omnituens> hey guys, whats the latest nightly build based on? 0.6.0 beta, or a different one? 23:32:54 <LeviathNL> 0.6.0 beta is based on a nightly 23:33:16 <Omnituens> because i just installed a nightly, and its saying 0.5.3 23:33:25 <Gonozal_VIII> the nightly is a daily compilition of the current development state 23:33:37 <glx> Omnituens: then it's not a nightly 23:33:51 <Omnituens> i probably just messed up the install 23:33:56 <Omnituens> i'll try again 23:39:52 <Omnituens> r11523 now 23:43:14 <LeviathNL> that's correct 23:43:55 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:45:21 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E61.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:45:57 <Omnituens> ta 23:45:59 *** Omnituens [~A1@host86-133-93-4.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 23:47:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:59:31 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-144-137-110-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit []