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00:00:52 <Gonozal_VIII> you have to open the shutters there 00:00:57 <Bjarni> SpComb: this might be a trick question but.... why do you not simply use the build in png screenshot function? 00:01:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:01:47 <SpComb> Bjarni: it doesn't let me take arbitrary x,y width-height screenshots with a given zoom level, and then stream them out in-memory 00:02:13 <Bjarni> ahh 00:02:42 <Bjarni> wouldn't it be easier to fix that instead? 00:02:57 <SpComb> that png is generated by OpenTTD and written directly to stdout (well, with some protocol metadata), and then written out over HTTP 00:03:16 <SpComb> well, that's kind of what I've done, I've just copy-pasted the code from the normal png screenshot function and modified it to my needs 00:04:24 <SpComb> the goal is to make a "real time" mouse-drag-aroundable tiled map of an OpenTTD game 00:04:44 <SpComb> but I'm having some trouble with the OpenTTD viewport code, it's not very easy to understand 00:04:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FF46.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:09 <SpComb> the viewport stuff has some weird virtual_left/virtual_top parameters that aren't really documented anywhere 00:07:08 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0322.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:42 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/openttd_img?x=0&y=0&w=1000&h=1000&z=0 <-- WOOOOOT! 00:08:56 <SpComb> we has OpenTTD screenshots! 00:09:20 <Eddi|zuHause> CAN HAS SCREENSHOT? 00:09:24 <SpComb> except the coordinates are wrong in some way, so everything that's not 0,0 breaks 00:09:30 <SpComb> and it just glibc'd itself 00:09:56 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean on the exact instant that i clicked on it? 00:10:01 <SpComb> dunno, someone crashed it 00:10:10 <SpComb> there's some kind of memory corruption bug 00:12:10 <SpComb> and then it ran out of sprite memory 00:13:11 <glx> nice screenshot 00:15:37 <SpComb> now someone just needs to tell me how ViewPorts work in terms of the virtual_left/virtual_top stuff, and I could get this working 00:17:10 <SpComb> ugh, who did a ubermassive screenshot D: 00:17:32 <SpComb> 20000x20000 is a bit excessive :< 00:17:46 <LeviathNL> lol sorry :P 00:18:22 <SpComb> hmm, openttd's only using a small amount of mem, and not very much CPU at all, the python process is using 33m of mem and lots of CPU 00:18:38 <SpComb> my code isn't really optimized for streaming large data sets yet, the protocol is, though 00:19:00 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:19:01 <SpComb> OpenTTD streams the png data in (what ends out to be) 8192 byte chunks, which can all be seperately processed 00:19:04 <SpComb> LeviathNL: happy with it? 00:19:13 <SpComb> oh wait, it's sitll not over 00:19:31 <SpComb> now it is, but it turns out that it can't handle concurrent requests either 00:19:49 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-186-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:58 <LeviathNL> I already closed the page, I just wanted to know how it reacted (or how you did :) ) 00:20:42 *** NarkSlap [~me@c-b6c5e255.03-105-73746f39.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 00:20:58 <SpComb> it survived it, just got a bit slow towards the end 00:25:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-47.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:26:31 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/openttd_img?x=0&y=0&w=500&h=1500&z=0 <-- hmm... the sign doesn't really work 00:28:42 <SpComb> you should be able to join the server at myottd.net:8118, prove that the screenshots are realtime and all of that 00:37:51 <SpComb> any non-zero value of x or y will crash it 00:38:02 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-83-152.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:38:21 <Gonozal_VIII> only x 00:38:52 <Gonozal_VIII> non-zero y doesn't crash 00:39:00 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:39:15 <SpComb> right, but non-zero y doesn't do very much, either 00:39:38 <Gonozal_VIII> it moves up 00:40:51 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 00:41:08 <Gonozal_VIII> there are some strange lines around the buoy names 00:41:32 <SpComb> yeah, it doesn't render them right, but the priority is figuring out how the viewport coordinates work 00:41:57 <Gonozal_VIII> changing y moves the viewport up 00:42:27 <SpComb> I would have assumed that (0, 0) is the top left corner, and (INT_MAX, INT_MAX) the bottm-right 00:45:16 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46:09 <SpComb> hmm, most of the viewport code is right from revision 1, but some of the stuff that I've been trying to figure out is from truelight, r9846 00:47:05 <SpComb> where's TrueLight gone to recently? 00:50:27 <SpComb> hmm... he resigned 00:51:46 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:12 <Belugas> yup 00:52:18 <Belugas> although retired is ore accurate 00:53:03 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 00:57:12 <SpComb> would any other devs know about the viewport code? 00:57:58 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:00:44 <SmatZ> SpComb: r9846 just introduced ScaleByZoom 01:00:51 <SmatZ> any changes to actual code 01:03:08 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:03:30 *** dryfuso_ [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:03:38 <toet> why when i start openttd it overruns my openttd.cfg >.> 01:03:52 <toet> not all x/ 01:03:54 <SpComb> when you close it it writes out openttd.cfg 01:04:13 <toet> i wanna turn off the stupid news msges 01:04:31 <SpComb> either turn them off in-game, or close openttd, modify the .cfg, and start it up again 01:09:50 <glx> or start with -x 01:10:18 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:39 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 01:13:58 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:16:56 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 01:18:55 <SmatZ> me here? 01:20:07 <SmatZ> SpComb: still only black :-/ 01:20:29 <SpComb> SmatZ: I'm copy-pasting code from the full-map screenshot, there's just a lot of black in the upper left corner 01:20:32 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/openttd_img?x=0&y=0&w=1500&h=3000&z=1 01:20:49 <SmatZ> ah, nice! 01:21:44 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/openttd_img?x=0&y=1000&w=3000&h=500&z=1 <-- y does something sensible now 01:25:06 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/openttd_img?x=2000&y=2000&w=500&h=500&z=1 <-- o/ 01:25:09 <SpComb> trial-and-error 01:25:47 <SpComb> although the coordinates now break what with the zooming 01:25:52 <SmatZ> :-) 01:29:50 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B043119.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 01:30:26 <SpComb> so it works now, but the coordinates go a bit different once you zoom 01:31:36 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77BA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:34:04 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/ <-- ta-daa 01:35:24 <SpComb> it works :) 01:36:17 <SmatZ> SpComb: is it live game? 01:36:42 <bob27> that's cool. 01:38:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7599D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:41:04 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D5B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 01:42:34 <SpComb> it's not entirely bug-free though, too late at night for that 01:49:05 <Sacro> SpComb: i see nothing D: 01:50:16 <SpComb> currently it updates itself once a second 01:50:23 <SpComb> but heavy on the server 01:50:38 <Sacro> SpComb: doesn't work in firefox 01:50:42 <SpComb> Sacro: I'm constatly rebooting it, just try again 01:51:05 <Sacro> SpComb: lots instantly in IE7, not in FF2 01:51:07 <SpComb> scroll down south-east to Padinghattan Ridge, tile (9, 8) 01:51:16 <SpComb> FF2 is what I use 01:51:31 <SpComb> (you can see the tile co-ordinates if you hover over them) 01:51:38 <Sacro> oops 01:51:43 <Sacro> javascript was blocked 01:51:48 <SpComb> orly 01:51:57 <Sacro> yeah 01:52:02 <Sacro> i enabled it and it workies 01:52:04 <Sacro> now... 01:52:10 <Sacro> how do i build a railway? 01:52:13 <SpComb> the server's under a bit of stress :P 01:52:20 <SpComb> Sacro: join the game at myottd.net:8118 01:52:33 <Sacro> too much effort 01:52:34 <Sacro> going to bed soon 01:53:09 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:53:15 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:19 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 01:53:57 <SmatZ> SpComb: nice, but it behaves a bit strange 01:54:05 <SmatZ> when redrawing, first it draws something bad 01:54:13 <SmatZ> and then it redraws to correct image 01:54:30 <SpComb> I have no clue, it's a 03:54 AM alpha 01:54:48 <SmatZ> it is :-) 01:54:52 <SmatZ> good night :) 01:55:12 <Sacro> SpComb: no it's not 01:55:19 <Sacro> surely its 02:54 alpha 01:55:28 <Sacro> being that it's only 01:54 zulu 01:56:17 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 01:58:25 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has left #openttd [] 01:59:53 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5CC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 02:03:34 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/#7_7 <-- link to tile co-ords 02:12:51 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:13:04 <SpComb> indeed, time to go to sleep 03:22:59 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:23:03 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 03:37:21 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:43:41 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 03:43:41 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has joined #openttd 03:43:47 *** Aerandir [~magic.pow@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:49:45 *** Stoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:49:45 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 04:04:43 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 04:11:22 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:13:15 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 04:15:02 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:46:43 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:47:31 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B04079C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:14:27 *** Soup [HydraIRC@60-150-58-66.gci.net] has joined #openttd 05:14:40 <Soup> hi 05:15:35 <Soup> hi devs 05:20:48 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:21:11 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:26:36 <BigBB> moin Soup 05:28:29 <Soup> huh 05:28:50 <BigBB> what kind of soup you are? 05:28:58 <BigBB> :) 05:29:04 <Soup> *me gets opensuse10.3 live 05:29:07 <Soup> cd 05:30:21 <BigBB> indigestive 05:34:16 <Soup> indigestive whats that? 05:42:56 <Soup> 684.89 MB for a live cd! 05:43:22 <BigBB> what is you "OTTD" problem? 05:43:37 <BigBB> s/you/your 05:43:56 <Soup> no bugs in beta 05:44:07 <Soup> not for me 05:44:17 <BigBB> thats fine, but no problem... 05:45:30 <BigBB> <Soup> indigestive whats that? say your mother language and maybe I can help you ... 05:49:47 *** [1]Soup [HydraIRC@60-150-58-66.gci.net] has joined #openttd 05:50:33 <[1]Soup> ahh a [1]Soup 05:50:35 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 05:50:44 <[1]Soup> me resets 05:50:47 *** [1]Soup [HydraIRC@60-150-58-66.gci.net] has left #openttd [] 05:52:16 *** [1]Soup [HydraIRC@60-150-58-66.gci.net] has joined #openttd 05:53:31 *** Soup [HydraIRC@60-150-58-66.gci.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:53:31 *** [1]Soup is now known as Soup 05:53:52 <Soup> thats better 05:55:38 <Soup> come to !!Public Server!! 05:55:45 <Soup> has tarms 05:56:14 <Soup> beta1 server 05:59:14 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 06:06:24 <BigBB> Soup, you're a flavourless soup... 06:07:39 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B04079C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 06:08:52 <Soup> flavorless soup why? 06:10:46 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 06:17:41 <Soup> server newgame now 06:22:24 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54840.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:26:29 <Rubidium> what are tarms? 06:27:03 <Gonozal_VIII> new word for double decker trams 06:28:15 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: are you sure? could be farms, trams or tars 06:28:46 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm you're right... 06:29:15 <Gonozal_VIII> could be farm sprites in tars! 06:31:48 <Soup> huh? 06:32:16 <Soup> better linux 06:32:29 <Soup> ow 06:34:15 <Gonozal_VIII> stupid assignment :-/ (stupid me) 06:34:24 <Soup> me yoo 06:34:29 <Soup> me too 06:36:11 <Soup> 7EoÂdJÂH«¹ÂÂR±ÃZi[ÿ¯&²³~ ÂrV2BÚ)fãÂŒª±ÂÃsd/ 06:36:11 <Soup> QÃk»$¿²r6Â/«3ÃìHÃTòà ÎÃÃÂh(áùÎÿ¡ÜC2ÂÂ[ 06:36:16 <Soup> wow 06:36:28 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf is that 06:36:32 <Soup> in a savegame 06:36:54 <Soup> wow 06:37:02 <Gonozal_VIII> you can't read a savegame with texteditor... 06:37:20 <Soup> i can 06:37:28 <Gonozal_VIII> ok.... 06:37:45 <Soup> by a override the computer 06:39:44 <Soup> me slaps delestlan 06:39:49 * Soup likes slapping people and randomly picks DaleStan to slap. 06:40:16 * Soup breaks out the slapping rod and looks sternly at Soup 06:40:41 * DaleStan likes /ignoring people and *cough*randomly*cough* picks Soup to /ignore. 06:41:26 <Soup> huh? 06:42:16 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.65.0] has joined #openttd 06:42:45 <Soup> whats a thick 06:43:55 * Soup slaps DaleStan with a large smelly trout 06:46:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's a really good idea 06:47:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 06:48:14 <Rubidium> I know a better one... 06:48:19 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*HydraIRC@*.gci.net] by Rubidium 06:48:19 *** Soup was kicked from #openttd by Rubidium [Soup] 06:49:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> "'Auch gut', sagte der Meister." 06:50:54 <Rubidium> poor Soup... he PMs me, but in this screen I cannot see the top part of the IRC window ;) 06:53:41 *** SERVEPRO_ [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:54:13 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*HydraIRC@*.gci.net] by Rubidium 06:54:32 <SERVEPRO_> that guy is weird 06:56:49 <Rubidium> and hopefully put on /ignore by everybody 06:58:20 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:00:03 <Gonozal_VIII> Error: 07:00:03 <Gonozal_VIII> Too many functional dependencies have been lost. (max: 2, lost: 3)... argh 07:01:51 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:08:29 *** mode/#openttd [-o Rubidium] by Rubidium 07:09:52 *** Soup [HydraIRC@60-150-58-66.gci.net] has joined #openttd 07:09:55 *** Soup [HydraIRC@60-150-58-66.gci.net] has left #openttd [] 07:23:19 <Gonozal_VIII> yay i made it :D 07:24:23 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 07:26:51 <dihedral> morning 07:27:10 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 07:27:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> congratulations, i assume ;) 07:27:33 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks :D 07:28:22 <Gonozal_VIII> decompose "algorithm" sucks 07:29:35 <dihedral> i thought Soup cot ganned from #openttd 07:29:46 <Gonozal_VIII> not for long 07:35:06 <dihedral> i was here when it happened... 07:35:19 <dihedral> ah well 07:37:09 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 07:38:31 *** NarkSlap [me@87-76-9-125.event.dreamhack.se] has joined #openttd 07:49:01 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0342.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 07:52:57 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 08:01:32 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 08:20:35 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:32:49 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:08 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 08:37:55 *** SERVEPRO_ [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:14 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489D2C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:48 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-203-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:47 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:53:02 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 08:53:06 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489BB61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:01:24 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-51-241.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:06:03 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-118-40.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:06:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:10 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:53 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-203-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:28:33 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:31:41 *** Wolfensteijn [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-019-098.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:33:15 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 09:38:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81231.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:39:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B815CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:39:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:46:03 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/2007111504]] 09:46:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 09:56:39 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 10:22:14 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-144-137-110-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 10:22:14 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:14 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:31:24 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E589.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:31:29 <fjb> Moin 10:34:30 <SpComb> Mui. 10:40:11 <fjb> :-) 10:40:45 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 10:42:16 *** NarkSlap [me@87-76-9-125.event.dreamhack.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:43:10 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B547E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:43:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B547E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:45:18 *** NarkSlap [me@87-76-9-125.event.dreamhack.se] has joined #openttd 10:56:43 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:37 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:09:59 *** Leviath [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 11:10:03 *** Leviath [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:35 <SpComb> work on a bunch of boring physics practice questions or continue fiddling with OpenTTD? 11:10:51 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/ <-- for those who didn't notice it last night 11:11:00 <hylje> do physics practice by fiddling with openttd 11:11:11 <SpComb> not really an option 11:11:22 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.65.0] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 11:11:24 * SpComb needs moar computer science courses 11:14:03 *** SERVEPRO_ [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:16:36 <Tefad> overloaded sir. 11:19:05 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 11:27:15 *** skidd13_work [~d5178552@webuser.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:38:01 *** skidd13_work [~d5178552@webuser.thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: TheGrebs.com CGI:IRC (EOF)] 11:41:43 <SpComb> haha 11:42:22 <SpComb> someone played around with the zoom and it crashed 11:45:14 * SpComb didn't even know that error existed 11:49:08 <Hendy> Hrm, I should play a bit of openttd at work 11:49:12 *** Hendy is now known as Hendikins 11:49:22 <Hendikins> Although I'm already playing with trains there 11:50:54 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0342.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 11:54:03 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0342.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:44 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:08 *** SERVEPRO_ [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: SERVEPRO_] 12:03:46 *** lordneon [~lordneon@87.127.68.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:59 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@71.114.48.3] has joined #openttd 12:06:57 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:11:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:13 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:25:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B547E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:46:21 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-055-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:21 *** Leviath [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 12:48:21 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:25 *** Leviath [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:48:29 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 12:55:04 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 12:57:24 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 13:05:53 <Frostregen> SpComb: nice :) 13:06:36 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B547E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:26:33 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:30:12 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 13:36:24 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@71.114.48.3] has quit [Quit: SERVEPRO] 13:44:08 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-37.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:44:30 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041DB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:50:07 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:53:18 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B815CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:28 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 13:57:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84861.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:57:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:00:47 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:03:59 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 14:05:34 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F54840.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:08:21 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54840.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:15:29 <Belugas> toumtedoum guys 14:15:45 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 14:15:59 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 14:16:40 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:46 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 14:18:34 <fjb> Hi Belugas 14:23:37 <dihedral> hello Belugas 14:23:49 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:23:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:25:33 <Belugas> hello guys 14:27:28 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:43:11 * Hendikins pulls out his laptop to install openttd on it 14:43:41 <Hendikins> My workmates already joke that I'm a rail buff, so I might as well play openttd at work :P 14:44:06 * Belugas puts on his Diatonis CD and gets ready for another astral musical escape 14:45:21 * fjb thinks about ordering a laptop. 14:46:53 <Hendikins> I've had to put off my new laptop so that I can help the parents pay for termite treatment 14:52:34 * fjb never owned a laptop. 14:53:03 <Hendikins> I'm finding mine very handy for the gaps between trains at work 14:53:32 <fjb> Laptops are really handy. 14:53:34 <Hendikins> A 4 trains per hour frequency can get quite boring, particularly on weekends. 14:54:12 <Hendikins> This weekend we'll have 8 trains/hour because of trackwork (yes, you did read that correctly, we've got twice as many trains because they're doing trackwork) 14:54:28 <Hendikins> (Above figures in each direction, although we only really care about one direction) 14:55:04 <glx> service trains I guess 14:55:17 <Hendikins> No. 14:55:50 <Hendikins> It is because of where they're doing the shutdown. 14:56:09 <Hendikins> We normally get 2 trains/hour to Sydney via two different routes. 14:56:22 <Hendikins> (Total: 4tph) 14:56:32 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-251-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:28 <Hendikins> Thing is, we're getting trains off the west, which normally doesn't happen 14:59:30 * fjb thinks about 4 trains per hour in TTD. 14:59:32 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A77B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:40 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:01:55 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 15:06:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:27 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-37.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09:14 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:11:08 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-251-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:00 <Sacro> rawr 15:12:30 <skidd13> Heel Sarco! 15:13:22 <Hendikins> Rawwwwr! 15:13:57 <skidd13> Any dog-catcher out there? 15:14:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o skidd13] by Belugas 15:14:36 <Belugas> one more now :) 15:15:23 <skidd13> Any dog without a home in here? :D 15:16:37 <Belugas> "I've been to the desert on a horse with no name..." 15:20:28 <fjb> :-) 15:23:04 *** Frederik [~Frederik@c51444912.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:23:07 <Frederik> Hello 15:23:19 <skidd13> Belugas: IIRC Canada has only ice desert... brrrr cold 15:24:16 <Frederik> I might have a stupid question, and i'm sorry to bother everyone with it, you must be getting these all the time. I'm trying to find the buildings in this picture: http://www.openttd.org/screens.php?image=images/screens/0.5.0/japan_national_railway_3_aug_1984 . The GRF files, would someone happen to know where they are downloadable? 15:27:10 *** skidd13 is now known as Guest69 15:27:26 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A67F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:43 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:52 <Belugas> i'm not totally sure. I think the grf used for this screeni is either ttrs2 or my own replacement set 15:28:24 <Frederik> ttrs2 http://users.skynet.be/florisjan/ttd/ttrs.html#ss 15:28:26 <Frederik> thats that one right? 15:28:33 <Frederik> or is ttrs2 different? 15:29:18 <Belugas> that is ttrs3. the look has changed 15:29:57 *** Gege [~jo-reggel@static-81-17-185-44.dunaweb.hu] has joined #openttd 15:29:58 <Belugas> this is my own version ( but far not as sophisticated) ; http://www.tt-forums.net/download.php?id=36487 15:30:11 <Gege> hello 15:30:46 <Belugas> ttrs2 used to be available from ttdpatch's wiki, iirc. but i can't see it anymore 15:31:12 <Frederik> Belugas, i'll go try yours, :) 15:31:17 <Frederik> hold on 15:31:23 <Frederik> see what its like 15:31:26 <Frederik> thanks for the help already 15:31:33 *** Guest69 was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [by user demand] 15:31:52 <DaleStan> It might have been there, but the wiki isn't particularly used as a graphics repository. 15:32:04 <Belugas> mine is a poor, really poor one. the real thing is much more enjoyable 15:32:28 <Frederik> yeh it has some, but not all 15:32:40 <Frederik> is ttrs2 available somewhere then? 15:32:41 <Belugas> true, DaleStan. It's just that i remember seeing it in http://www.ttdpatch.net/newgrf.html 15:32:59 <Belugas> when ttrs3 was already avaiable 15:33:28 <DaleStan> Probably just an update delay; getting that page updated requires talking to Patchman. 15:33:56 <Belugas> ha... 15:34:02 <Belugas> good point 15:35:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:16 <Frederik> whats the difference between ttrs2 and ttrs3 15:35:23 <Frederik> just different buildings or also 'better' 15:35:25 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-172-161.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:36:44 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 15:37:32 <Belugas> different buildings and more features 15:37:39 <Belugas> a lot of more features 15:37:58 <Frederik> hmm 15:38:07 <Frederik> I like the buildings in that screenshot best :) 15:38:15 <Belugas> roads, bridges... 15:38:28 <Belugas> many people do prefer ttrs2 too. 15:38:35 <Belugas> you're not alone 15:38:41 <Frederik> ah yeh, ttrs2 also has other roads 15:38:42 <Frederik> :) 15:38:44 <Frederik> didnt notice 15:38:50 <Frederik> isnt there someone who can dcc it to me? 15:39:02 <Belugas> i can't 15:39:06 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 15:39:14 <Frederik> anyone else? 15:39:21 <Frederik> i'm probaply not allowed to notice the channel ami? :) 15:42:27 <Frederik> :( :) 15:43:17 <Sacro> Frederik: a good way to make friends 15:43:50 <Frederik> not notice 15:43:51 <Frederik> ? 15:43:52 <Frederik> :) 15:49:51 <Frederik> ill use the 3rd one 15:50:00 <Frederik> can someone tell me maybe how I set multiple parameters? 15:50:19 <Frederik> how do I define what is the first 2nd 3rd and 4th parameter in the parameter line 15:50:21 <glx> easy: 1 2 3 ... 15:50:31 <Frederik> so 0 2 0 0 15:50:32 <Frederik> would work 15:50:36 <glx> yes 15:50:38 <Frederik> ok thanks 15:51:26 <Hendikins> Frederik: If you notice this notice, you'll notice this notice isn't worth noticing. 15:52:19 <Frederik> ;) 15:54:49 <Frederik> hm 15:54:55 <Frederik> ttrs3 doesnt work for openttd? :) 15:55:33 <Belugas> ttrs3 certainly works for ottd. unless you are using 0.5.3 and lower 15:55:47 <Belugas> you need nightlies of the 0.6 beta 1 15:56:10 <Frederik> ah 15:56:15 <Frederik> ok I use the latest stable one 15:56:18 <Frederik> so 0.5.3 15:56:38 <Frederik> want to use it for multiplayer, and dont want any crashes midgame :) 15:56:40 <Frederik> for whatever reason 15:57:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84861.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:55 <Ammller> Frederik: the beta is quite stable 15:58:13 <Frederik> it is? 15:58:51 <Belugas> ho yeah... and loaded with a lot of goodies too 15:59:01 <Frederik> so go for that? :) 15:59:04 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83D62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:59:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:59:17 <Ammller> the devs makes a very good job when submitting something to the trunk, so its hard to find bugs 15:59:45 <Ammller> but we work daily to hunt them :P 16:00:28 <Hendikins> I should probably also get a mouse if I plan to play openttd on the laptop 16:00:41 * Hendikins suspects using a scratchpad might get a tad irritating 16:01:30 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:04:42 <SmatZ> hello OTTDers 16:05:33 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:57 <ln-> has anyone used libjpeg (directly)? 16:22:41 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-055-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:57 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A67F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 16:30:23 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A67F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:58 *** skidd13 is now known as Guest76 16:34:04 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4A64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:37:54 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:39:50 *** Guest76 [~skidd13@p548A67F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:26 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:09 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:42:44 <Sacro> rawr 16:44:24 <joosa> no 16:45:08 <Hendikins> Whuff 16:46:54 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:49:16 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 16:49:48 <Belugas> sub-humans 16:50:10 <SmatZ> yes master? 16:50:13 <Hendikins> Pfft. Humans. :P 16:54:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> you mean you are just sub? 16:55:38 <Gege> SUB is: 16:55:38 <Gege> an acronym for the Seafarers' Union of Burma 16:55:38 <Gege> the ticker symbol for Summit Bancorp of New Jersey on the New York Stock Exchange 16:55:38 <Gege> the IATA airport code for Juanda Airport in Surabaya, Indonesia 16:55:38 <Gege> the name of the substitute character in the C0 control code set 16:55:45 <Gege> from wikipedia:D 16:58:38 <Gege> or 16:58:42 <Gege> Those who take the superior position are called dominants, doms (male) or dommes (female), while those who take the subordinate position are called submissives or subs (male or female). 16:58:59 <Gege> what type of sub you are? 16:59:46 <Hendikins> Eddi|zuHause2: I am wolfox, hear me rawr :P 17:01:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:17:43 <Sacro> http://bash.org/?826387 17:20:31 *** Frederik [~Frederik@c51444912.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host251-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:34:25 <Wolf01> hello 17:36:03 <SmatZ> hello Wolf01 17:37:11 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:16 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 17:38:43 *** slafs [slafs@slafs.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:13 *** slafs [slafs@slafs.org] has joined #openttd 17:44:32 <Gege> hmm anyone who can help me in ottd 0.5.3 console commands 17:45:01 <Gege> how can i change the difficultysettings like breakdowns from the console? 17:46:00 <Gege> i don"t see the difficulty settings in the patches list 17:46:57 <SmatZ> Gege: hmm I don't think this is possible 17:47:25 <Gege> thats a big problem because i run a remote server 17:47:37 <Gege> and i only can change the game from the server 17:47:41 <Gege> sorry:D 17:47:44 <Gege> form the console 17:49:01 <Gege> that's really not possible or you think it's not possible? 17:49:51 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:59 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 17:52:50 <Gege> someone other who know this is possible or not? 17:53:53 <glx> it's not possible 17:54:11 <Gege> :( 17:54:35 <Gege> in that way how can i run a remoted server? 17:54:50 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [] 17:54:59 <Gege> every time i need to send the openttd config file? 17:55:21 <Gege> or theres any way to run the serv with my config file 17:55:49 <Gege> or load my cfg in a running server? 17:56:54 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:58:25 <Belugas> is it somethng that can be done with scripts? Donnu, i'm not a server/netword guy 17:59:22 <SmatZ> it shouldn't be hard to set difficulty settings as runtime-configurable 17:59:27 <SmatZ> like most of patches 17:59:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think the difficulty settings can be changed other than in the config file 18:00:04 <Belugas> dihedral might answer that one... 18:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> honestly, the real way to go should be to remove the difficulty settings alltogether, and fit them in a common system with the other patch settings 18:00:27 <Belugas> SmatZ, difficulty settings must not be changed ar run time 18:01:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> Belugas: some can be changed (at least on the difficulty settings window) 18:01:27 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:01:29 <SmatZ> Belugas: why? 18:01:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> like turning in stations 18:02:06 <Belugas> i don't remember exactly why, but i know there is a pretty good reason for it 18:02:24 <SmatZ> :-) 18:02:56 <Belugas> yeah... at my age, memory is a resource i cannot rely on anymore :( 18:03:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it makes no sense to change the generation settings, like town density 18:04:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> changing the cost settings could possibly wreak havoc 18:04:17 <SmatZ> but breakdowns, are there any newGRF depending on its setting? 18:05:00 <ln-> has someone removed the [x] already? 18:05:24 <SmatZ> [x] ? 18:05:26 <skidd13> SmatZ: You can check if the manipulations are valid with the callbacks in the settings array 18:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> SmatZ: the [x] on the difficulty settings window exits without saving 18:05:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> which is unlike any other window 18:06:00 <ln-> exactly that one. 18:08:52 <SmatZ> skidd13: not so long ago Rubidium commited change that disallows any changes of some patches in runtime 18:08:59 <SmatZ> no matter what newgrf you have loaded 18:09:08 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: ah... 18:09:59 <skidd13> SmatZ: There my memory fails... 18:10:02 <DaleStan> I don't think you can read the breakdown setting in newGRF. You can play games using a vehicle's reliability, though. 18:11:11 <DaleStan> (On the assumption that a reliability of < 25% means that breakdowns are off.) 18:11:34 <SmatZ> skidd13: r11452 18:12:44 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.65.0] has joined #openttd 18:13:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:07 <skidd13> SmatZ: I trust your memory (this time) ;) :P 18:14:42 <ln-> it has not been removed yet. someone remove it right away, or else... 18:23:52 <ln-> i'm still waiting 18:24:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:25:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:02 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-172-161.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:28:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r11539 /trunk/src/bridge_gui.cpp: -Feature: Make the bridge selection window resizable 18:28:32 <ln-> wrong answer 18:30:21 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-172-161.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:21 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 18:31:28 <ln-> seems that each window has the [x] and it cannot be easily removed. 18:31:54 <ln-> it can be disabled easily, but then the window won't move either. 18:31:56 <ln-> does that matter? 18:32:48 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> just add a confirmation window on clicking [x] 18:35:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> "are you sure to discard all changes?" 18:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are other such windows, like on clicking the "sell all" button in the depot 18:36:27 <Gege> the way i running the serv: the serv running about 100km from me and i only can configure the serv with console commands (like this rcon (remote pass) "command" 18:37:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gege: like i said, i don't think that is possible 18:37:03 <Gege> i can restart the game with new settings but only with commands 18:37:17 <glx> usually people running remote servers also use ssh to start them 18:37:26 <Gege> i dont see the windowses ehat you see when im run the serv 18:37:30 <Gege> ssh? 18:37:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> the only options you have is a) set the difficulty in the .cfg file before starting the server 18:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> or b) load a savegame that you created on a local client 18:37:58 <Gege> i need to change te server cfg not my 18:38:39 <Gege> yes i used the b version 18:39:12 <Gege> but i hoped there are other way to make changes 18:40:17 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 18:41:11 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause2: confirmation dialogs are annoying, but i guess that's the least complicated option here. 18:41:33 <ln-> now who should we assign this problem to 18:42:03 <ln-> skidd13: whatever you are doing, stop it, and fix the problem mentioned above. thank you. 18:42:51 <Gonozal_VIII> !above 18:42:54 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 18:42:54 <Gonozal_VIII> !logs 18:44:51 <skidd13> ln-: First of all. Stop to order a dev! Second what are you talking about 18:46:09 <Prof_Frink> skidd13: Hi, I'd like a dev. 18:46:35 <joosa> one for me as well, please 18:46:46 <blathijs> You should stop before you order one, though 18:46:47 <joosa> oops. I meant beer 18:47:17 <blathijs> ln-: And, what problem are you talking about? :-) 18:47:18 <Gonozal_VIII> drive through dev-shop? 18:47:24 <SmatZ> :-D 18:47:32 <blathijs> One for every home 18:47:38 <Frostregen> hehe 18:47:51 <skidd13> Today only 1 Million ⬠each 18:47:53 <SmatZ> www.rentacoder.com/ 18:49:21 <ln-> blathijs: adding a confirmation dialog that appears after clicking [x] in difficulty settings window. 18:49:30 <Prof_Frink> joosa: Maybe it's /dev/beer 18:49:45 <ln-> skidd13: sorry, i thought direct orders to a random victim could be the most efficient method, and bjarni was not here. 18:50:09 <Prof_Frink> device node for a hand pull 18:50:16 <skidd13> ln-: That has been discussed earlier. And IIRC the esence was that it should stay as it is 18:50:26 <ln-> wtf, it definitely shouldn't. 18:51:18 <ln-> 20:05 < Eddi|zuHause2> SmatZ: the [x] on the difficulty settings window exits without saving 18:51:21 <ln-> 20:05 < Eddi|zuHause2> which is unlike any other window 18:51:54 <skidd13> ln-: A solution hopped into my mind... Why don't remove the window [x] so the user has to use one of the buttons 18:51:55 <ln-> it behaves unlike any other window in that respect. that's extremely confusing. 18:52:10 <skidd13> ln-: popups are bad style 18:52:12 <ln-> 20:31 < ln-> seems that each window has the [x] and it cannot be easily removed. 18:52:15 <ln-> 20:31 < ln-> it can be disabled easily, but then the window won't move either. 18:52:26 <ln-> 20:31 < ln-> does that matter? 18:52:26 <ln-> skidd13: i definitely agree popups are bad style. 18:52:45 <ln-> skidd13: i absolutely prefer removing the [x] if that is technically possible. 18:53:41 <skidd13> ln-: Now calm down and wait... Maybe someone will solve the problem... ;) :D 18:54:00 * Prof_Frink still thinks there should be a unified settings dialogue 18:54:12 <skidd13> ln-: If not try yourself 18:55:14 <ln-> i'm afraid it might need changes to parts that require the secred wisdom of knowing how windows are drawn. 18:55:21 <ln-> secret 18:57:32 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4A64.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 18:57:46 <Gonozal_VIII> write an algorithm that randomly changes parts of the code... you will eventually get the result you want :-) 18:59:26 <Prof_Frink> cat /dev/urandom >./bin/openttd 18:59:54 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:02:48 <Belugas> one good rule for seeing a feature request been commited is that the matter is a fun idea, fun to program and fun to test, that someone is having time to do it, that it is usefull to more than one person and... well ... asked politely 19:02:48 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:04:29 <ln-> i'm glad you didn't mention submitting a patch. 19:04:46 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Or kidnap them and don't let them out till it's done 19:04:49 <Belugas> that surely helps speeding the process 19:05:07 <Belugas> Prof_Frink, come and get me ;) 19:05:18 <Belugas> DARE! 19:05:22 <Prof_Frink> Meh, maybe later 19:05:23 <ln-> Belugas: according to my experience, it takes 2..6 months for few-line patches to get accepted. 19:05:37 <Belugas> yeah, right... 19:05:57 <Prof_Frink> I've got some patches for openprocrastination to sort first. 19:06:04 <Belugas> look in the logs for all the -patch by- that recently got in truk ln-... 19:06:31 <Belugas> and if your patches did not get in, there may some freaking good reasons 19:06:59 <ln-> freaking good reasons such as "Darkvater" and "Tron". 19:07:53 <Belugas> @seen Darkvater 19:07:53 <DorpsGek> Belugas: I have not seen Darkvater. 19:08:01 <Belugas> @seen Tron 19:08:01 <DorpsGek> Belugas: Tron was last seen in #openttd 24 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 52 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Tron> let me revert it 19:08:05 <Belugas> so... 19:08:09 <Belugas> like... 19:08:30 <ln-> Prof_Frink: oh yes, taking hostages could be a great way to speed up development. 19:08:39 <ln-> and that was not *the* Tron 19:08:54 <Belugas> nope, that was TruelLight/Brain 19:09:18 <Belugas> tron left irc way before that 19:12:01 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:37 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-133-71-38.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:15:32 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:44 * Belugas puts on a medieval inspired music cd 19:56:24 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:57:59 <SpComb> there be Dragons 20:02:37 * Wolf01 puts on Rhapsody playlist :P 20:20:41 * exe_ plays Kaledon 20:23:50 * Belugas wants one : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oud 20:24:52 * Prof_Frink sets the Ood on Belugas 20:25:02 <Belugas> :D 20:25:16 <Belugas> spoing spoing 20:25:32 <Gonozal_VIII> nobody wrote here so i got bored... the result: http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/junction.png 20:26:04 * Wolf01 wants one http://images.google.com/images?q=girl&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:it:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi 20:26:19 * Belugas NEEDS this one too! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurdy_gurdy 20:26:23 <SmatZ> Wolf01: :-D 20:26:39 <SmatZ> Gonozal_VIII: nice junction 20:26:49 * Belugas cannot help Wolf01. ain't commitable ;) 20:26:58 <SmatZ> ^_^ 20:27:15 <Wolf01> nice one Gonozal_VIII, finally a junction which uses the new bridge frature 20:27:16 <Belugas> nice, Gonozal_VIII 20:27:18 <Wolf01> *eature 20:27:23 <Wolf01> *+f 20:27:25 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks :-) 20:28:14 <SmatZ> Wolf01: sympatic one :) http://www.linux.it/~napo/uploads/Home/Debian-girl.jpg 20:28:39 * Wolf01 is going to play Beneath a Steel Sky 20:29:33 <Wolf01> (when a girl can beat me on computers things, then that's a girl for me) 20:29:45 <SmatZ> ;-) 20:30:14 <Belugas> my wife is far better than me on the OFF switch 20:30:25 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 20:30:31 <blathijs> Wolf01: Isn't that that scummvm game? 20:30:37 <Wolf01> yes 20:31:15 <blathijs> Nice :-) 20:31:36 <blathijs> I'm playing Flight of the Amazon Queen atm :-) 20:32:02 <Wolf01> i finished it last year, then i played the secret of monkey island 20:37:10 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5FDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:37:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:08 <blathijs> Nice :-) 20:43:15 * Belugas thinks he will tune his guitar in "C F A D G C" as soon as he gets home 20:43:26 <hylje> tune your guitar AAAAAA 20:43:37 <hylje> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/AAAAAAAAA! 20:43:50 *** AntB is now known as Guest93 20:43:54 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.65.0] has joined #openttd 20:43:56 <Wolf01> lol 20:43:59 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A1BC.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:44:27 <Belugas> monotone tuning :S hard to compose, i migh say 20:46:02 <Belugas> my prefered tuning so far is DADGAD (electric) and DGDGDC (accoustic) 20:46:15 <Belugas> if ever that means anything to anyone but me ^_^ 20:47:04 <Maedhros> i wish it did, but tragically it doesn't mean much to me ;-) 20:48:31 *** Guest93 [~AntB-UK@81.140.65.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:51 <Gonozal_VIII> shouldn't some of those be lowercase? 20:50:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Eine Alte Dame Ging Hering Essen" 20:50:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's the tuning of guitar sites i remember 20:50:39 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B6C37.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:50:39 <Prof_Frink> Some tall bird ate a ginger herring. 20:51:02 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5FDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 20:51:20 <Belugas> easy. a regular 6 string guitar is tuned (from bigger to tiner) as Eddi|zuHause2 spotted, EADGBE 20:51:25 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 20:51:34 <Belugas> that is the regular cannonic of tuning one guitare 20:51:46 <Belugas> each letter been a note, by the way 20:52:03 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-133-71-38.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:52:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> i learned a tiny bit of guitar playing in 2nd class 20:52:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> wasn't really my deal 20:53:12 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> i started learning Tuba in 4th grade then ;) 20:53:25 <Belugas> 've been playng guit since i was 16 or 17 20:53:47 <Belugas> afer a while, i got bored with the regular tuning 20:53:47 <Belugas> I like to change the tuning of both my guitars, as it gives me new possibilities of chords pattern or even open strings cool sounds 20:53:48 <Gonozal_VIII> and you're 18 now? 20:53:54 <Belugas> nope... 42 20:54:04 <Gonozal_VIII> aaah the answer 20:54:07 <Prof_Frink> So /that's/ why my air guitaring is so bad... 20:54:13 <Belugas> lol 20:55:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> Prof_Frink: you bought it from ebay? 20:55:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> i've heard of people being scamed on ebay 20:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> especially with air guitars 20:56:00 <Prof_Frink> Yeah, it's hard to find a good one 20:56:06 <Gonozal_VIII> air guitars as in wlan cable? 20:56:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, those are the most common 20:56:27 <Prof_Frink> But I got this from a proper air guitar shop 20:57:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> btw. there are more such mnemonic sentences for music notes 20:57:25 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Can you go down the shop and get me a left-handed screwdriver and some striped paint? 20:57:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> like "Geh Du Alter Esel Hole FISch" 20:57:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B547E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:56 <Prof_Frink> Every Gay Boy Desires Freddie. 20:59:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> which are the #-keys 20:59:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> there's another one for the b-keys 20:59:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i never remember it 20:59:30 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B7884B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> because i know those by heart 21:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> those are like my natural habitat ;) 21:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> note that the german system of notes is slightly different from the english one 21:02:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> the german note "H" is the english note "B", the german note "B" is the english note "Bb" 21:03:20 <Belugas> strange 21:03:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's probably hysterical raisins... 21:04:18 <Belugas> i guess so 21:04:41 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A1BC.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:46 <Belugas> still playing tuba? 21:04:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 21:05:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> we have our yearly christmas concert in two weeks 21:06:11 * Belugas remembers been part of christmas service orchestra. 21:06:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-213-163.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:07:07 * Belugas wishes lot of fun to Eddi|zuHause2 21:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it's technically a "concert in christmas time" 21:08:21 *** NarkSlap [me@87-76-9-125.event.dreamhack.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:40 *** HerzogDeXtE1 is now known as HerzogDeXtEr 21:08:51 <Wolf01> a friend of mine is angry about the bad quality of the port of ottd for gp2x... 21:10:03 <Belugas> tell him to fix it :S 21:10:13 <Wolf01> "...do an official gp2x port!" his words "do it yourself" mine XD 21:10:23 <Belugas> lol 21:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: you should have said "pay me to do so" 21:13:01 <Wolf01> "i'll try to do something in the next days" .. i'll see... i hope to not see fireworks from his home, earthquakes, or something bad 21:13:24 <Wolf01> he is a delphi developer, he never touched c/c++ :P 21:13:38 <glx> same for Belugas IIRC 21:13:48 <glx> in the begining 21:14:04 * Belugas confirms 21:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> in my CS studies i learned to not learn a language 21:14:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> but to learn how to learn languages 21:15:01 <glx> all languages are similar indeed 21:15:38 <Wolf01> yes, what change is only the syntax 21:16:01 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:16:33 <Wolf01> groan.. i'm lost at beneath a steel sky :| 21:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> the important thing are the tiny subtleties in the semantics 21:17:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> like wether evaluation order is defined or undefined 21:17:32 <Belugas> tiny? there are some big differences sometimes... 21:17:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> size is relative to the viewer ;) 21:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> what's also important is to get to know the libraries that ship with the language 21:20:35 <Belugas> [16:19] <Eddi|zuHause2> size is relative to the viewer ;) <-- but not to the dev sitting behind the keyboard.. 21:20:40 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E72.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:22:15 *** NarkSlap [~me@87-76-242-68.event.dreamhack.se] has joined #openttd 21:23:16 *** thgerg2 [~Administr@dsl51B78825.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:23:36 <ln-> has someone tested the MMX/SSE optimized libjpeg that can be found in mozilla's sources? 21:24:36 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B7884B.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:59 * Belugas gives a negative answer on his part. Nor does he have intention to test it either 21:28:21 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:43 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E72.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:02 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6E3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:40 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B304.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:39:17 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B78836.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:41:26 *** thgerg2 [~Administr@dsl51B78825.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43:46 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B304.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:35 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:52 <Belugas> the nerve of some people >:( 21:58:30 <Wolf01> still lost at beneath a steel sky 21:59:53 <Wolf01> 40 minutes without any solution :( 22:01:10 <Belugas> hem... what is a steel sky? 22:01:32 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:01:44 <Wolf01> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beneath_a_Steel_Sky 22:02:46 <blathijs> Belugas: aptitude install beneath-a-steel-sky 22:04:38 <Belugas> haa :) 22:04:46 <Belugas> looks pretty interesting 22:04:47 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-150-128-186.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:04:51 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-150-128-186.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 22:07:04 <skidd13> Broken sword is better 22:07:08 <Wolf01> this is one of the last great games 22:08:04 <Belugas> wow... take to go home is well past over! 22:08:05 <blathijs> Indeed, they don't make quality games like these anymore :-) 22:08:08 * Belugas runs home 22:08:16 <Belugas> good night 22:08:35 <Wolf01> http://www.the-underdogs.info/ give a look here 22:11:48 <skidd13> night Belugas 22:16:31 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-172-161.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:32:50 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 22:35:00 <fjb> I like the new bridges over diagonal tracks. This looks like the smallest usefull threeway junction: http://www.myimg.de/?img=FastFreight20Okt19769966b.png 22:36:22 <Prof_Frink> fjb: Looks larger than a trumpet-type 22:36:34 <Prof_Frink> Especially with custombridgeheads 22:36:54 <Gonozal_VIII> tight curve, long bridge.... 22:37:16 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:21 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/junction.png <-- try half of that for threeway 22:38:23 <fjb> The tight curve can be a problem, But there was tight space. I don't see that a bridge that lenght is a problem. 22:39:06 <fjb> Custom bridgeheads or diagonal bridges can offer many new possibilities, but they are not in OpenTTD yet. 22:39:32 <Gonozal_VIII> there are diagonal bridges in patch? 22:39:48 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: I have already seen it, but that would be way too large to fit in in the small space I had. 22:40:05 <Gonozal_VIII> nah, can be much smaller without the middle part 22:40:11 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't need that for threeway 22:40:17 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Not that I'm aware of, but custom bridgeheads are in patch. 22:40:35 <Gonozal_VIII> i know about the custom bridgeheads 22:41:10 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: When you shrink your crossing to the smalles threeway size, then it is what I did. :-) 22:41:12 <Prof_Frink> Still, my Whirlpool setup handles the One Junction challenge no problem 22:42:16 <fjb> Prof_Frink: Do you have a picture of your smallest threeway junction? 22:42:43 <Prof_Frink> fjb: five min 22:44:11 <fjb> Ok. 22:44:12 *** SERVEPRO_ [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:45:42 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B78836.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:56 <Prof_Frink> alanblanchflower.co.uk/images/trumpet.png 22:48:21 * Sacro looks at Prof_Frink's trumpet 22:48:26 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:52 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6E3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 22:50:22 <fjb> I would say that is not smaller than my type, but it "hangs over" at the other side of the main line. Not good if it is at the side of a hill. 22:50:41 <Prof_Frink> and whirlpool.png for a free-flowing, split-before-join, non-conflicting 4-way 22:51:03 <fjb> And it has more sharp turns at that size. 22:51:12 <Prof_Frink> fjb: Yeah, when hills come into play it gets more interesting 22:51:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:46 <fjb> My actual scenario is very hilly, almost mountainy. :-) 22:53:08 <fjb> The whirlpool looks great, but is farr too large for the mountains. And gladly I almost never need fourway crossings. 22:54:20 <Prof_Frink> And if you want to avoid the M6J15-style curve on the trumpet you just pull that bridge over the splitting track and merge NW of the bridges 22:54:48 <Prof_Frink> fjb: Well, it was designed to fit in the box it's in :) 22:55:29 <fjb> Was the box designed to fit the whirlpool? :-) 22:55:44 <Prof_Frink> When you compare it to the monstrosities that openttdcoop create... 22:55:58 <Prof_Frink> fjb: No, the box was designed to make it challenging 22:56:25 <fjb> Making the trumped bigger avoids the sharp turns, but when you can build large, there is no need to find a small solution. 22:56:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> my junctions usually look more like this: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Johannes%20Transporte,%2020.%20Okt%201925.png 22:57:01 <fjb> openttdcoop people always create mosters. 22:57:22 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause2: You need PBS 22:57:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes i do :p 22:57:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> actually, those are PBS 22:57:45 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 22:57:56 <Prof_Frink> My junctions tend to start out as trumpets, then... mutate 22:58:14 <Prof_Frink> Near a big station, all hell tends to break loose 22:58:42 <ln-> who's watching House? 22:58:48 <Prof_Frink> Hmm, I wonder 22:58:50 <ln-> House M.D., that is. 22:58:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> a hacky variant without PBS: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2012.%20Mai%201939.png 22:59:07 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: Nice junction, but is it a junction or a station? Or more tham one station? Hmmm.... 22:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's 3 stations and like 4 junctions, or so... 23:01:25 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: In which year did that game start? 23:01:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 23:01:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> another PBS variant: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Johannes%20Transporte,%2014.%20Aug%201923.png 23:02:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: the first (and last) picture is from a 1920 game with 32x daylength 23:02:57 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F54840.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:04:03 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-167-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:04:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's a great shot: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Johannes%20Transporte,%204.%20Sep%201925.png 23:05:09 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-144-137-110-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:05:20 <fjb> 32x daylenght explains a lot... 23:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, it's a little over the top... 23:05:53 <svippy> Wow, Eddi|zuHause2, it truly is. 23:05:53 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/junction2.png 23:05:57 <Sacro> today is a good day to die -http://www.1chan.net/rail/src/1196057805369.jpg 23:05:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> the other game is with 4x daylength 23:06:09 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: The last shot looks really nice. 23:06:12 <Sacro> http://www.1chan.net/rail/src/1196057805369.jpg even 23:06:55 <SmatZ> nice 23:07:13 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: No signals after the switchyard, only in front of it. We need better signals. 23:07:22 <Sacro> SmatZ: note the points :p 23:07:32 <Sacro> http://www.1chan.net/rail/src/1195804410923.jpg <-- NEE NAW :D 23:08:02 <SmatZ> :-D 23:08:07 <Gonozal_VIII> signals missing? where? 23:08:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: yeah, i'm really proud of that one ;) 23:08:36 <SmatZ> [00:06:14] <Sacro> http://www.1chan.net/rail/src/1196057805369.jpg even <--- it is perfect 23:08:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: what's your point? 23:08:55 <Sacro> what is perfect? 23:09:08 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: the other train is sorta... aimed at the camera 23:09:18 <Gonozal_VIII> they've got pbs! 23:09:30 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: No signals missing, TTD nedds too many signals. 23:09:34 <fjb> needs 23:09:46 <Sacro> i quite like the absolute block 23:09:50 <Gonozal_VIII> ah i see 23:10:10 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-151-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:13 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:10:16 <fjb> Sacro: The other train is facing a red signal. 23:16:39 <Gonozal_VIII> would be nice to let the signal blocks handle the switching... like trains in group 2 that enter from line 1 are forwarded to line 4 or something... then the pbs implementation would be easy for each signal block and no pathfinder would be needed :-) 23:17:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> programmable switches? 23:17:53 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 23:18:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> that'll be a usability nightmare... 23:18:08 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 23:18:24 <Gonozal_VIII> you'll have to think more 23:18:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have a suggestion: waypoints on tile edges! 23:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> then you could do platform numbers, without using additional space 23:19:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> then all you need is optional orderst 23:19:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> -t 23:19:40 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't like waypoints that much 23:19:42 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... 23:19:46 <Gonozal_VIII> ok then they are ok 23:19:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> "go to waypoint A or waypoint B" 23:19:55 <Gonozal_VIII> but they are too strict now 23:21:12 <fjb> Better implement routing restrictions, but please don't abuse signals for that. 23:21:47 <Gonozal_VIII> i like the programmable switches :D 23:21:59 <fjb> And don't make them ultimate restrictions, more soft restrictions like the route markers. 23:22:21 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:22:25 <Gonozal_VIII> i wanted to do a mockup screenshot about that some days ago but then i had to do something else and forgot about it... 23:22:34 * fjb also likes programmable switches, but that would scare people away. :-( 23:23:23 <fjb> Not that few people are thinking that wagon speed limits are already making the game unplayable hard... 23:24:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> wagon speed limits are great... 23:24:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> plus you can switch them off if you want to... 23:25:38 <fjb> Yes, switching them off is what many people are doing. So they don't have to choose the best locomotive for the task but always the fastest. 23:27:12 <Gonozal_VIII> there will always be people that don't like more complexity, there could be a switch to use normal pathfinder or programmable switches 23:28:14 <fjb> That switch would be needed. 23:28:43 <Gonozal_VIII> a switch could have orders like: trains from group 2 go to exit b, trains that need servicing go to exit c, trains that have station x as next target in their orders go to exit d, default go to exit a 23:29:41 <fjb> I really don't know how you can not get rich in this game when you are not an absolute beginner. But it looks like the game is too difficuld fore some people. 23:30:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> "if train has next order X, previous order Y, is A ticks late, has taken path B the last time it passed here, and it is full moon, take path Z" 23:30:26 <Sacro> fjb: please try not to not negate negative things 23:30:28 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... even on hard and with expansive newgrfs it's very hard not to get stinkin' rich 23:30:52 <fjb> Sacro: Ok. :-) 23:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> i once managed to get 5 running routes and pay back my loan in the 2 year demo 23:31:10 <Gonozal_VIII> only one condition at a time eddi ;-) 23:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: that's stupid... 23:31:31 <Gonozal_VIII> first conditions in the list are stronger and get checked first 23:31:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you make it programmable, you might as well make it turing complete 23:31:51 <fjb> What is the english word for FahrstarÃe? 23:32:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> context? 23:32:12 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know... what's the german meaning of that?^^ 23:32:18 <Sacro> walking street? 23:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> FahrstraÃensignal = PBS 23:32:34 * Sacro fahrt 23:32:36 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... 23:32:38 * Sacro sniggers 23:33:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: i am sure you heard bjarni talking about the queen and "i fart" 23:33:15 <fjb> It means you are programming kind of routes with the switches and signals. It is far more tham PBS. It is from the start to the end of that route. 23:33:55 <dihedral> Gege: i wrote a 'reload config' patch 23:34:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's what PBS do, they reserve a path from the current signal to the next one 23:34:13 <dihedral> as a bunch of settings cannot be changed at runtime 23:34:33 <dihedral> this way you can edit the settings via progmans config tool 23:34:51 <dihedral> and they will be used at next 'newgame' 23:35:11 <dihedral> or when the server reaches 'restart_game_year' and starts a new game that way 23:40:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host251-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:47:34 <ln-> when is the next dutch-only day on this channel? 23:49:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> when was the previous one? 23:50:15 <Sacro> montag? 23:50:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's not dutch ;) 23:50:57 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't say "montag" i have my own system :-) 23:51:50 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause2: well... even if there was no previous one, that doesn't imply there couldn't be a next one. 23:52:09 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 23:52:29 <Gonozal_VIII> (Anfangtag, Nachanfangtag, Mittetag, Vorendetag, Endetag, Nachendetag, Voranfangtag) 23:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i was implying that the time until the next one could be relative to the time since the last one 23:53:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: i wouldn't like to have a "voranfangstag"... that'd be really depressing 23:54:07 <Gonozal_VIII> but on vorendetag you would know that the week is almost over :-) 23:55:17 * Sacro can't remember german days 23:55:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host251-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 23:55:52 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:21 <Gonozal_VIII> "Mittwoch" doesn't fit in with the others 23:57:18 <Gonozal_VIII> in my system it does :-) 23:58:51 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:58:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's the middle of the work-week 23:59:01 <Gonozal_VIII> you could also call them A, A+, M, E-, E, E+, A- 23:59:40 <ln-> who is Dien? 23:59:52 <Gonozal_VIII> dien?