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00:05:44 <Bjarni> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vl_b1Vy0CpA <-- I take that they are at a dangerous spot o_O 00:07:20 <Bjarni> http://youtube.com/watch?v=uU0KMQJHPYk <--- hahahahaha 00:07:25 <Bjarni> that's golden 00:07:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> err... that's really too much now... 00:09:44 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 00:09:46 <Wolf01> 'night 00:09:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.5.15.251] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:10:33 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: are you sure? 00:10:41 <Bjarni> who made you judge of that? 00:10:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> i did... 00:18:46 <Bjarni> well 00:18:51 <Bjarni> you can't 00:18:57 <Bjarni> I can though 00:19:02 <Bjarni> because I'm op and you are not 00:27:24 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:13 *** Bjarni was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [Rule is good for everyone ;)] 00:33:13 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 00:33:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 00:33:41 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [Not because he did it that you can too] 00:33:58 *** Belugas was kicked from #openttd by orudge [how dare you go kicking people out of this channel] 00:37:25 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 00:37:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 00:38:15 *** orudge was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [Because i'm op too :D] 00:38:16 *** orudge [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 00:38:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 00:38:32 <orudge> what an exciting conversation ;D 00:38:38 <Belugas> hehe 00:38:52 <Belugas> amusing, to say the least lol 00:39:14 <Belugas> how's going orudge? long time no talk 00:39:56 * ben_goodger returns from exceedingly long pub occupancy 00:39:56 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-50-192.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41:10 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-50-192.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:42:21 <orudge> Belugas: I'm alright, extremely busy though 00:49:21 * orudge bed 00:49:40 <Gonozal_VIII> extremely busy in bed? 00:49:45 <orudge> I wish ;) 00:50:03 <orudge> extremely busy in general 00:50:06 <orudge> Night night 00:50:11 <ben_goodger> that's surprisingly terse 00:50:17 <Gonozal_VIII> good night 00:51:40 <Belugas> night orudge, rest well :) 00:51:41 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-50-192.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52:39 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-50-192.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:54:17 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B37E.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:12 * Belugas goes bug fixing 00:57:17 <Belugas> or at leat tries 00:57:21 <Gonozal_VIII> yay 00:57:44 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:57:46 <Sacro> wtf? 00:58:49 <glx> 25 minutes to notice :) 00:58:50 <Belugas> lol 00:58:55 <Belugas> took you time 01:00:18 <Sacro> i was doing a spot of racing 01:00:59 <Belugas> so it didn't botherd you too much, as it seems ;) 01:10:44 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 01:18:26 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-83-152.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:19:59 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB667F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 01:20:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:20:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:28:19 <Bjarni> Sacro: did you figure out what I said about you? 01:28:28 <Sacro> no 01:28:32 <Bjarni> :P 01:29:05 <Bjarni> Sacroã®ã°ã 01:29:17 <Bjarni> XD 01:30:30 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-50-192.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11543 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp lang/english.txt): 01:31:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Give a more adequate message when trying to place an industry required to be built over a house on any other type of tiles. 01:31:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: In reference to FS#1492, and other "bugs" like that one 01:31:45 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74870.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> this is weird... there is absolutely no reason for ottd to be hanging like this... 01:32:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> i reverted all local changes, i made make clean, it still hangs 01:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> i made a new checkout, and it does not hang 01:34:54 <Bjarni> you have gremlins in your computer 01:35:19 <Belugas> i've seen it happening too, Eddi|zuHause2 01:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> i suspect a config setting... 01:35:41 <Belugas> i've kept a savegame that i need to study 01:35:42 <Gonozal_VIII> there was an ufo on your source that got bombed 01:35:47 <Belugas> when i feel like it... 01:36:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's not a savegame 01:36:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's during map creation 01:36:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> random map 01:36:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> alpine grf 01:37:15 <glx> try same seed without grf 01:37:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> without grf it runs fine 01:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> seed does not matter 01:38:11 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D33.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> i copied the .cfg to the new checkoud, then it hangs, too 01:38:37 <glx> try to find the breaking rev then 01:38:59 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has left #openttd [] 01:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd first try to find the breaking config setting... 01:39:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> compiling takes forever... 01:43:20 <Bjarni> forever is a really long time 01:43:28 <Bjarni> I will not stay up and wait for it then 01:43:30 <Bjarni> goodnight 01:43:31 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:47:25 <SpComb> http://photos.marttila.de/s/G1A 01:47:48 *** AntB_ [~AntB-UK@81.140.65.0] has joined #openttd 01:47:54 *** AntB_ is now known as AntB 01:48:06 <SpComb> it's moving around in the kitchen while I sit on the sofa here, I can hear it quite clearly 01:48:46 <Gonozal_VIII> you need uranium ore 01:49:13 <SpComb> I wouldn't mind finding a piece of cheese somewhere, that's what the plate there is meant for 01:49:44 <SpComb> hmm, it's not in that photo - I tried to investigate the real effect of cheese upon rats 01:58:14 <Gonozal_VIII> rats laugh 01:59:29 <Gonozal_VIII> ultrasonic 02:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> uranium cheese... 02:09:47 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13:51 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:49 *** beanie [~beanie@141.30.204.82] has joined #openttd 02:17:54 <beanie> !help 02:19:03 <Belugas> what's up? 02:19:03 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ibX3TejlZE 02:19:21 *** Gonozal_VIII was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [you tube yourself] 02:19:21 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N800P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 02:19:29 <Gonozal_VIII> sorry... 02:19:40 <Belugas> an accident? 02:19:41 <beanie> i need the grf-files. i thougt i found them in the svn, but i cant remember :f 02:19:50 <Belugas> which grf files? 02:20:06 <beanie> "OpenTTD requires the original version of Transport Tycoon Deluxe data files in order to function." 02:20:18 <glx> that's quite explicit 02:20:39 <Belugas> indeed :) 02:21:45 <beanie> ... :) 02:22:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B65E5.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:37 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B040242.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 02:24:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B65E5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 02:25:00 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.65.0] has quit [Quit: Homebrew DSing..] 02:47:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11544 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix [FS#1501]: revert r11453 as it translated cargo when it should not 02:47:55 *** beanie [~beanie@141.30.204.82] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 02:59:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11545 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp lang/english.txt): -Revert(r11543): The result is not what was expected. Looks like more work might be needed 03:00:08 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.65.0] has joined #openttd 03:10:30 *** gono_ping_timeout [~Gonozal_V@N833P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 03:13:28 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 03:15:16 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N800P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:22:53 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.65.0] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 03:52:04 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:56:20 <Belugas> yeah... me too 03:56:27 * Belugas goes to sleep 03:57:05 <gono_ping_timeout> night 05:48:57 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:58 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 06:05:09 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-106-190.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:16:26 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B37E.pool.t-online.hu] has 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480 seconds] 09:05:58 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B042760.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:27:13 <hylje> there's a steam loco (and train) coming along with santa today 09:27:21 <hylje> guess which one i'm interested in seeing 09:31:10 <Rubidium> santa! 09:32:19 <hylje> obviously! 09:35:33 <SpComb> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=644650#p644650 <-- OpenTTD Online (not mine, some random person's browser-based game) 09:35:55 <SpComb> doesn't exist yet, he's just wondering if he could call it that 09:55:43 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-127-217.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:58:35 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 09:59:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C4AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:00:14 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6B99.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:20 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:05:38 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 10:08:29 *** ludde 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of images also increases 13:00:32 <hylje> i didnt say it'd be simple 13:01:06 <SpComb> one thing that I have considered is somehow making use of OpenTTD's dirty blocks thing to only update images if needed 13:01:06 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FF3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:01:11 <fjb> Moin 13:01:26 <SpComb> although I haven't looked at the code so I don't know how it works 13:01:35 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 13:01:35 <fjb> !logs 13:02:13 <SpComb> and the terrain isn't even that static, trees change colour/shape/appear/go away, and e.g. the water is animated 13:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause> you could do something like truebrain did, create an image for each tile 13:07:36 <SpComb> does each tile have a dirty/not dirty state? 13:08:03 <SpComb> the trouble with that is that the number of images becomes to high, although perhaps four tiles/image or so would work 13:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know what number of images is considered "high" 13:09:07 <SpComb> the number of requests the browser has to make to my server to update the images, currently it does about twenty of them every two seconds 13:15:22 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 13:17:27 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 13:17:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:51 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-83-152.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:51:30 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-253-143.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:07 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-132-19.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-132-19.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:59:50 *** nick [~nick@pD95FFEDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:05 <nick> hi 14:00:10 *** nick is now known as Hangman 14:00:13 <Hangman> hi 14:00:15 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 14:00:49 <Hangman> i've got an idea for implementing a new feature in 0.6.0 14:02:04 <Hangman> you could make a german language file with real vehicle names, i would be amazed 14:02:55 <Rubidium> you could also make a NewGRF with real vehicle names and load that 14:04:22 <Hangman> yes, but it would be easier for the users just to select it right after downloading, so they don't have so much work with it. maybe some people find it difficult, too. 14:04:22 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, newgrfs rock 14:04:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11546 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: 14:04:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix[FS#1496]: If ever the air/heli port is suddenly not available while the "chopper" is descending, just go back into flying. 14:04:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: The code should have been better written, but in respect of newgrf_port branch, i prefer minimalist intervention 14:05:37 <Rubidium> Hangman: the problem with a german version of real vehicles means doubling the workload of german translators 14:05:38 <Gonozal_VIII> morning belugas 14:06:15 <Rubidium> or such major changes in the string generating stuff that probably the WebTranslator needs to be rewritten partly 14:06:25 <Hangman> oh, i didn't know that 14:07:08 <Gonozal_VIII> also german translation sucks (imho) lots of strings are much too long 14:07:15 <Rubidium> and for both it means quite some time implementing it, which shouldn't be a problem except that the people who know something about the string stuff and especially the WebTranslator have a negative amount of free time 14:07:55 <Hangman> two more things i've found: 1. sometimes, the text of windows is too long, so it isn't displayed 14:08:06 <Hangman> or only the letters on the landscape 14:08:12 <Hangman> know what i mean? 14:08:53 <Gonozal_VIII> that's because in german everything is longer and more complicated 14:09:14 <Rubidium> fixing that requires the translators to fix the length of the text, which apparantly they refuse to do 14:09:43 <Rubidium> or rewriting the whole GUI stuff which takes even more time than the string generating stuff 14:09:58 <Hangman> ok, now 2. after an helicopter started from an oil rig, there is no sound played, or at least very rarely 14:09:59 <Rubidium> without "much" gain 14:10:38 <Rubidium> then some other sound is played I guess 14:10:43 <Rubidium> with a higher priority 14:11:41 <Hangman> i dont think so because there was only playing the midi music and nothing else 14:12:15 <Rubidium> departing from an oil rig is in no way different from departing from any normal airport 14:12:24 <Hangman> this problem exists only on oil rigs, not on airports 14:12:32 <Hangman> believe me 14:14:39 <Hangman> you can check for yourself 14:15:38 <Gonozal_VIII> i am now 14:17:00 <Hangman> oh, and something really important: 3. if your train does transship goods, the game doesn't make a diference between for example wood of Bowtown and wood of Baytown, it just displays it as goods from the station it came from 14:17:16 <Gonozal_VIII> i have the sound everytime 14:17:39 <Rubidium> I have also sound on every take off 14:17:50 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:17:53 <Gonozal_VIII> that's just the display, there is a difference 14:17:59 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 14:18:10 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: unless he did unload and not transfer 14:18:18 <Hangman> i.e. at Bowtwon station: 200 Wood from Bowtown Forest, then a train comes from Baytown with 100 wood, now: 300 Wood from Baytown 14:18:18 <Rubidium> or he's running < 0.6.0-beta1 14:18:43 <Rubidium> and yes, the display only shows one source 14:18:54 <Hangman> i'm german, someone of you too? then i could explain better 14:19:12 <Rubidium> though it is properly accounted for in >= 0.6.0-beta1 14:19:12 <Gonozal_VIII> <-- austrian 14:20:51 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:37 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:31:32 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:45 <Eddi|zuHause> <Hangman> i.e. at Bowtwon station: 200 Wood from Bowtown Forest, then a train comes from Baytown with 100 wood, now: 300 Wood from Baytown <- this is just a display issue 14:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause> the point of origin is still correctly stored, but only one can be displayed 14:36:26 <Hangman> will this be fixed? 14:36:55 <Eddi|zuHause> not in the near future 14:39:17 <Hangman> 4. the ai doesn't know if 90 degree curves are allowed or not, will this be fixed, too? 14:40:06 <Vikthor> Hangman: Probably only with the NoAI 14:40:16 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 14:45:08 <Hangman> bye @all 14:45:25 *** Hangman [~nick@pD95FFEDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 14:49:10 *** vader 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why I love to play with the ai: http://www.myimg.de/?img=TropicExpress7Apr20085dcc2.png :-) 16:25:29 <Tefad> the explosions? 16:25:57 <fjb> Yeah. :-) 16:26:01 <Tefad> hehe 16:26:49 <fjb> Don't know how many vehicles got lost at that crossing. :-) 16:26:55 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:34:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host251-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:35:04 <Wolf01> hello 16:36:56 <fjb> Hi Wolf01 16:46:34 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:40 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 16:49:52 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:18 <Eddi|zuHause> which station set is that? 16:51:55 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Is the question about my screenshot? 16:52:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 16:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause> you seen any other screenshots? :p 16:53:30 <fjb> No, but I don't know what else you are seeing. :-) 16:53:32 <fjb> :-P 16:53:55 <fjb> That are the basic platforms and the industrial stations set. 16:54:49 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, which version? 16:55:22 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 16:58:22 <fjb> V0.42 05.09.05 16:58:49 <fjb> It is not the industrial stations reneval set. 17:03:23 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:47 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5418.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 17:18:18 *** prakti [~prakti@p50834A18.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... 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That happens when you have loaded too mans station grfs... 17:36:06 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:22 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@e28236.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:47:09 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@e28236.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:47:45 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:03 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-51-248.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:09 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-51-248.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:05:01 <fjb> The ai gave up on that line. :-) 18:05:12 *** Zojj [~Zojj@ip72-193-231-185.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:02 <Zojj> anyone here using vc++ express 2008 18:30:19 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:24 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:59 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:17 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:46:24 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh] 18:57:36 *** hylje [hylje@c214.myrootshell.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:46 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0420E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:02:29 *** hylje [hylje@c214.myrootshell.com] has joined #openttd 19:11:39 <ln-> http://www.russia.ru/putin/ 19:15:01 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:15:24 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:15:53 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N871P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:48 <SmatZ> hello 19:17:20 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 19:19:53 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-213-196-229-117.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:13 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:26:41 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-232-186.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:32 *** Appel [~lzp.appel@53577511.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:34:29 <Appel> Hi, where can i ask a question and/or report a possible bug? 19:34:47 <Eddi|zuHause> bugs.openttd.org 19:34:58 <Appel> Thanks 19:35:14 <Eddi|zuHause> questions you better ask here, or in the forums 19:35:35 <Appel> Ok 19:36:15 <Appel> I made a scenario in 0.5.3 with 4 cities which are about 50k large. Now I'm a good time further and the city sizes have became smaller. 19:36:23 <Appel> 25k t/m 33k in size. 19:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause> so? 19:37:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it does happen that cities shrink 19:37:10 <Appel> I was wondering why the cities became smaller. 19:37:33 <Appel> Will they 'grow back'? 19:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause> cities grow faster if you have active stations 19:42:12 <Appel> Okay, thank you for your help :) 19:46:55 *** Appel [~lzp.appel@53577511.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 20:07:14 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@e28236.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:11:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C4AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:26 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489CA59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:52 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 20:29:14 <SmatZ> !help 20:30:36 <fjb> !fire 20:31:00 <Rubidium> where? 20:31:11 <fjb> There! 20:32:38 <Rubidium> I don't see it 20:34:31 <fjb> Oh, it's gone now. :-( 20:34:37 <SmatZ> :D 20:36:15 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-83-152.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:36:54 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-83-152.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:40:34 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:41:14 <mikl> What is the problem with YouTube links? 20:41:22 <hylje> too much lulz 20:41:43 <mikl> ok, if you say so :) 20:43:01 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:20 <ln-> mikl: way too often they are off-topic, and crap, and it's hard to see from the url if it's something you've seen already. 20:49:32 <mikl> ah, I thought it was something security related. The Apple followers have had some security issues... or was that MySpace? 20:50:57 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B5829.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:51:07 <Sacro> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=40391 <- pwned 20:52:44 <ln-> instead of youtube, have a look at http://www.russia.ru/putin/ 20:53:03 <ben_goodger> cruel 20:53:09 <ben_goodger> and ln-, sod off 20:55:02 <ln-> wtf does "sod off" mean anyway, must be some anglish 20:55:21 <SmatZ> ln- that video is great 20:55:29 <ln-> just as a precaution, i take that as an insult. 20:55:38 <ln-> SmatZ: yeah, it is.. :) 20:56:16 <ben_goodger> please do, and furthermore please stop spamming us with links to that idiot's web page 20:56:50 <ln-> ben_goodger: wtf is your problem? 20:57:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B65E5.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:45 <ben_goodger> your spam 20:58:13 <fjb> The flash plugins allways had security issues, on evere platform. 20:58:14 <SmatZ> is there still propagnande in the USA? 20:58:15 <ben_goodger> I don't know what you hope to achieve 20:58:19 <SmatZ> *a 20:58:32 <ben_goodger> SmatZ: they call it an "election campaign" :) 20:58:41 <ln-> ben_goodger: stfu, ok? 20:59:28 <ben_goodger> no, you stfu 20:59:53 * Rubidium has a better idea: both shut up? 21:00:01 <ben_goodger> try spamming another room; doing it here is not achieving anything except making me slightly more annoyed 21:00:34 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N954P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:02:33 <ln-> Rubidium: maybe he could be kickbanned so he wouldn't have to suffer any spam anymore? 21:02:57 <ln-> additional note: kicking me doesn't help his situation. 21:03:08 <glx> ln-: really? 21:05:34 <ln-> really. 21:08:33 <hylje> YA RLY! 21:11:13 <ben_goodger> no wai 21:14:41 <ln-> ben_goodger: what do you do for living? 21:14:41 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N954P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:23 <hylje> troll the internet 21:15:44 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:28 <ben_goodger> yep, I'm a professional troll. I spend my days thinking of more and more irritating ways to make people annoyed enough to reply to asinine comments, and this is then monetised by putting google ads in my /. signature 21:17:02 <ben_goodger> the process is actually quite clever, and of course I receive attention while I'm at it 21:20:05 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has joined #openttd 21:20:22 <ben_goodger> during my spare time, I perform cruel experiments on various pathfinding engines and make yearly quantitative estimates at how close to turing-completeness openttd's signalling/orders systems are 21:20:48 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:47 <hylje> thats enlightening 21:22:59 <ben_goodger> indeed so 21:23:21 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@workstation.freenull.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:28 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-51-248.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:28 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 21:34:32 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:34:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:38:34 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@e28236.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:40:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11547 /trunk/ (11 files in 4 dirs): -Add: signal selection GUI for the ones that really like to use that over CTRL. Patch by BigBB. 21:41:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11548 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (openttdgui.nfo openttdgui.pcx): [OTTD Graphics] -Add: sprite added in r11547 (signal gui). 21:41:46 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 21:45:40 <hylje> yay! 21:46:01 <LordAzamath> that means...YAY!!!! 21:46:37 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 21:46:46 <SmatZ> hello 21:47:09 <LordAzamath> ..and today evening I posted a reply to the signal selection gui for it to have a Flyspray task, so it would be included sooner :D 21:47:21 <ln-> Bjarni: ain't this great propaganda: 21:47:32 <SmatZ> sorry, I had "micro-sec" blackout, but computers rebooted into new kernel etc... 21:48:39 <Rubidium> appologizing for something you can't really do much about ;) 21:48:59 <LordAzamath> @smatz - an update to desktop-kernel? 21:49:07 * LordAzamath did this 21:49:07 <ln-> SmatZ: http://www.apcc.com/index.cfm?ISOCountryCode=cz 21:49:16 <SmatZ> I could connect back earlier, but I had to get all things back into work :) 21:49:28 <Bjarni> another useless highlight... 21:49:29 <Rubidium> ln-: if only those things would be 100% reliable 21:49:39 <SmatZ> LordAzamath: the kernel was ready waiting for next reboot,but it came really unexpected 21:49:56 <Bjarni> damn.... can't use non-latin chars as nick :s 21:50:01 <LordAzamath> I have to reboot too. It just finished updating 21:50:02 <Bjarni> --- ãã¿ :Erroneous Nickname 21:50:07 <SmatZ> :) 21:50:11 <LordAzamath> humm:) 21:50:12 <Bjarni> that would have worked nice to prevent highlights 21:50:18 <SmatZ> ^_^ 21:50:24 <ln-> "plnÄ důvÄÅujà produktům, specialistům a sluÅŸbám poskytovanÃœm APC a MGE. V souÄasné dobÄ je zde 12 0000 naÅ¡ich zamÄstnanců, kteÅà jsou pÅipraveni kdykoli" sounds reliable to me. 21:50:45 <ln-> Rubidium: 99% is better than 0% 21:50:57 <SmatZ> ln-: thanks, I was thinking about it many times :) 21:51:04 <LordAzamath> but sounds like a piece of weird language to others :D 21:51:13 <SmatZ> I should really realize my thoughts 21:51:17 <Rubidium> ln-: until you find out that your 230 V UPS is supplying > 300 V to a computer instead of 230 V 21:51:20 <Bjarni> looks like a series of severe typos to me 21:51:50 <ln-> Rubidium: and how common is that? 21:52:36 <Rubidium> not very common, but still no 100% ;) 21:52:43 <Bjarni> oh we are talking about UPS 21:52:52 <ln-> SmatZ: the nice thing about UPSes is that they don't get obsolete like other computer hardware. 21:53:00 <Bjarni> yeah 21:53:09 <Rubidium> ln-: they do, or at least their battery packs 21:53:16 <SmatZ> ln-: do not they need new bateries every two years or so? 21:53:16 <Vikthor> Bjarni: Actually ln- cut some parts of the text from his quote 21:53:29 <Bjarni> they can live with an old battery until it's worn out even when you replace your computer 21:54:21 <Rubidium> another 'drawback' of UPSes is that they 'get' in trouble when the incoming trouble gets below a certain threshold 21:54:22 <ln-> SmatZ: i've got the original battery in this UPS of mine that i bought in 1999. 21:54:31 <SmatZ> there are rarely blackouts, but sometimes (once in ~3 months, often caused by storms and snow) there is a 1-sec blackout... enough for most computers to reboot 21:54:44 <SmatZ> ln-: thanks, maybe I should give it a try 21:55:26 <glx> less than 1 sec is enough for my PC to shutdown 21:55:38 <Rubidium> for example when it gets below 215 V it starts 'emptying' it's batteries to keep 230 V and that will eventually drain the batteries which causes the UPS to shut down 21:55:42 <SmatZ> glx: yes... it is just "blick" :) 21:55:58 <Rubidium> better use hardware that can stand blackouts without UPS ;) 21:56:14 <ln-> Rubidium: the threshold for minimum voltage is adjustable even in this cheapish UPS of mine. 21:58:40 <ln-> and i don't think operating a computer with too low voltage is good for its health. 22:00:56 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:14 <Bjarni> my UPS already saved my computer from potential bad stuff more than once 22:01:31 <Bjarni> it just needs to save a computer once to pay back the full costs of the UPS itself 22:01:43 <Bjarni> so it was a good investment :) 22:02:16 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-158-73-177.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:02:58 <Bjarni> <Rubidium> for example when it gets below 215 V it starts 'emptying' it's batteries to keep 230 V and that will eventually drain the batteries which causes the UPS to shut down <-- usually power drops have been for such a short time that the UPS battery were strong enough to stay on until power returned 22:03:08 <ln-> there was a case here some years ago that during some electric network maintenance, some limited area was feeded with overvoltage for some time. 22:03:53 <Bjarni> we lost the pump in our furnace due to voltage peaks generated from when the wind made the power cables hit each other 22:03:59 <ln-> i didn't live in this building back then, so i didn't get to test my ups for that, but people reported some hardware being broken. 22:04:11 <Bjarni> an electric pump is something that usually survives stuff like that 22:04:34 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 22:04:51 <Bjarni> ln-: at least it's a clear case of who made the mistake 22:05:03 <Bjarni> insurance could help you in a case like that 22:05:10 <Bjarni> if the power company wouldn't compensate you 22:05:43 <Bjarni> actually I'm more concerned with data security than hardware failures 22:06:03 <Bjarni> you can get new hardware but not your personal data if the drive is lost due to high voltage 22:06:45 <Rubidium> Bjarni: for that you make something called 'backup' 22:07:13 <Rubidium> preferably off-site backups 22:07:14 <ln-> Rubidium: preferably to another hard drive that is connected to the same power. 22:07:23 <Tefad> pfff 22:08:01 <Tefad> encrypt all your important crap it throw it into your gmail and yahoo email accounts 22:08:08 <Tefad> fat chance of both of them dying at once. 22:08:42 <Rubidium> and where do you store the encryption key? 22:09:59 <ln-> Tefad: making backups had better be a fully automated process, or otherwise people don't remember/bother to do it often enough. 22:16:57 <fjb> Rubidium: DVD-RAM + Diskette + USB-Drive + Printing it as an ASCII dump. :-) 22:18:18 <Rubidium> fjb: and where do you store those? 22:18:46 <glx> in the bank :) 22:20:09 <fjb> At different places, at home, a the bank etc... 22:20:18 <Tefad> relative's place 22:21:03 * fjb encrypts every backup. 22:21:24 <Tefad> I'M A GENIUS IN FRAAAAANCEEE 22:21:27 <LordAzamath> good night 22:21:29 * Rubidium can't be bothered by encryption ;) 22:21:42 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 22:21:49 <Rubidium> nor compression 22:21:51 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:02 <Bjarni> <Rubidium> Bjarni: for that you make something called 'backup' <-- even when you do backups, you don't do it every 5th minute so if shit happens then you will lose something anyway 22:22:06 <fjb> Rubidium doesn't do backups? :-) 22:22:28 <Tefad> i can't think of anything on my computer i couldn't live without 22:22:38 <Rubidium> I do, well... technically maybe not 22:22:44 <Tefad> i mean, there are some interesting histories of my overall computer experience 22:22:52 <Bjarni> technically I hope we can all live without computers 22:23:03 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:23:04 <Rubidium> everything that is important gets committed into SVN 22:23:10 <Bjarni> but we would prefer to have our Email archive and stuff 22:23:13 <Tefad> since 1995 i've had a continual fat16 (upgraded to fat32) file system going 22:23:30 <Rubidium> and that gets immediatelly duplicated to several off-site locations 22:23:36 <Rubidium> > 200 km apart 22:23:41 <Tefad> (various disks, formatted, copied, etc.. but i still have my win3.1->win95 image somewhere) 22:26:17 *** MindlessTux [~Brian_Dav@r75-110-56-184.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #openttd 22:27:32 * Bjarni wonders if MindlessTux is a windows user in disguise 22:27:58 <MindlessTux> only when I dont feel like sitting down at the desk 22:28:29 <Bjarni> you are a standing windows user? 22:28:39 <MindlessTux> no, laptop, on the couch 22:28:40 <MindlessTux> :P 22:29:02 <hylje> i run linux on my lappies 22:29:27 <Bjarni> well... with the price of windows you might not be able to afford a chair 22:29:27 <MindlessTux> meh, have not had the time to dual boot this one yet 22:30:05 <MindlessTux> very true 22:30:30 <hylje> dualbooting is for wussies 22:30:38 <Bjarni> I have dualboot 22:30:39 <hylje> fuzzy wuzzy 22:30:47 <Bjarni> because.... well I wanted to try it 22:30:57 <Bjarni> to make it fun I don't use it :P 22:31:14 <Bjarni> and I only did it because MS gave me windows for free 22:31:48 <MindlessTux> exactly 22:31:50 <MindlessTux> :P 22:32:11 * Rubidium has kinda quad boot 22:32:18 <Bjarni> for some reason MS decided to give a whole lot of students windows XP for free 22:32:20 <hylje> pervert 22:32:24 <hylje> ! 22:32:26 <hylje> Bjarni: yarrr 22:32:42 <Bjarni> so I got a copy with CD key and everything without needing it 22:32:50 <Bjarni> half a year later I decided to try dual booting 22:32:55 <Tefad> Bjarni: to hook them into MS products? that's their usual reason 22:33:05 <Bjarni> yeah 22:33:11 <Bjarni> it didn't work on me though 22:33:18 <Tefad> same tactic most religions rely on 22:33:26 <Bjarni> windows is crappy and limited compared to what I can do in OSX 22:33:28 <Rubidium> the more MS stuff I use the less I like it 22:33:45 <Tefad> OSX makes me feel contrained 22:33:54 <Bjarni> why? 22:34:03 <Tefad> because you have to do things the "mac way" 22:34:10 <Rubidium> MS really has done a very GOOD job in making everything sooooo sloooooooooow 22:34:20 <Bjarni> the mono buttoned mouse died ages ago 22:34:30 <Tefad> i think third parties make an OS slow .. 22:34:43 <Tefad> ever install a virus scanner? ; ) 22:34:47 <Bjarni> except on MacBooks for some odd reason 22:35:09 <Tefad> because apple is still too afraid to tell users to right click. 22:35:27 <Tefad> right.. which one is the right button? OHNOES *head explodes* 22:35:31 <Rubidium> Tefad: a help file needing to search for 5+ seconds is not useful 22:35:42 <Bjarni> I noticed a limitation in mighty mouse though... you can't click left and right at the same time o_O 22:35:47 <Rubidium> an ASP site that is dead slow (name me one that is actually fast) 22:35:58 <Tefad> Bjarni: that's due to the sensors that detect your finger positions 22:36:08 <Rubidium> Windows Update that takes several minutes to 'determine' which patches you can install 22:36:26 <Rubidium> Installing/deinstalling an application takes ages 22:36:27 <Bjarni> I realise why but that's no good when the docs said "click both mouse buttons at the same time" 22:36:30 <Tefad> when you click, there's only one mechanical switch.. the hardware isn't able to cope when both of your fingers on "click position" or whatever 22:36:31 <ln-> Bjarni: and you cannot right-click unless you lift your finger from the left button. 22:36:43 <Bjarni> luckily it works with more or less all USB mice 22:36:45 <Tefad> hehe. 22:36:49 <Rubidium> Removing 'default' Windows stuff requires the Windows CD 22:37:05 <Sacro> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4980533&x=y <- possibly nsfw, depending on imagination 22:37:34 <Tefad> not work safe man 22:37:38 <Rubidium> hmm... what other things could I complain about related to MS products? 22:37:39 <Tefad> imagination ?? 22:37:47 <Tefad> thems female parts . 22:37:57 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [NOT WORK SAFE] 22:38:01 *** Farden [~jk3farden@workstation.freenull.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:03 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:38:08 <Sacro> Bjarni: i did put nsfw at the end 22:38:21 <Tefad> possibly? thems serious parts there. 22:38:24 <Bjarni> but then people should know what you mean by random chars 22:38:47 <Bjarni> besides Sacro just showed all of us that he is a pervert 22:39:02 <ln-> pervert in what way? 22:39:05 <Tefad> drivers in close source OSs are nearly always problematic. 22:39:22 <Tefad> not that open source are painfree (or even available) 22:39:44 <Bjarni> <ln-> pervert in what way? <-- linking female reproduction organs with something that's meant to be eaten 22:39:45 <Tefad> i install a usb scanner driver in OS X.. it freaks out when i try to use it and i get the beachball of death 22:39:49 <Tefad> and then it refuses to shut down. 22:40:05 <Sacro> Bjarni: whats wrong with eating it? 22:40:12 <Tefad> and i have no idea what magical key sequence to use to abort in OS X 22:40:16 <Bjarni> Sacro: HENTAI!!! 22:40:21 <Sacro> :o 22:40:31 <Tefad> the one for windows is blatantly obvious.. part of pop culture 22:40:50 <ln-> Bjarni: something as perverted as talking about "melons"? 22:41:02 <Bjarni> Tefad: I learned something about OSX.... just plug in the hardware and it works. Forget about drivers as the driver that comes with the hardware doesn't work but the OS itself can figure out how to use it anyway 22:41:15 <Tefad> not the scanner i had 22:41:23 <Bjarni> that's not good 22:41:32 <Tefad> nope, it wasn't 22:41:34 <Rubidium> that's probably a 'winscanner' (like 'winmodem') 22:41:47 <Tefad> it installed some scanner manager thing and fubard the OS essentially 22:41:54 <Tefad> it works in linux fine actually 22:42:08 <Tefad> but i don't think it did at the time i was playing around with it 22:42:15 <Bjarni> I just plugged in a more or less random scanner and it just worked without any drivers or software. The default stuff in OSX took care of everything 22:42:17 <Tefad> so i had an old mac and decided to dick around with OS X on it. 22:42:43 <Tefad> some linux distros come like that out of the box (all conceivable drivers built in) 22:43:00 <hylje> not built in, but available 22:43:08 <hylje> footprint is important 22:43:08 <Tefad> built into the installation. 22:43:15 <Tefad> (not kernel) 22:43:32 <Tefad> remember the days of OS 9 or Win98 when you plug in a USB disk? 22:43:51 <Tefad> OMG What's this? a new device? awesome! wtf is it?! 22:44:16 <Tefad> xp fixed that.. but not usb 2.0.. i think sp1 or sp2 resolved the usb2 thing 22:44:17 <Bjarni> windows still does that to my USB flash disk :s 22:44:23 <Tefad> hah nice. 22:44:41 <Bjarni> only the first time for every computer though 22:44:42 <Tefad> i've never had a generic usb device do anything but work in linux 22:44:45 <Rubidium> Windows and supporting something 'new'... makes me laugh 22:44:59 <Rubidium> like Windows XP not supporting SATA 22:45:01 <Tefad> even some craptastic pocket camera 22:45:28 <Tefad> while it wasn't a UMS device, after i installed camera-accessing software, it worked fine 22:45:57 <Tefad> daylight savings time seriously needs to go 22:46:47 <Bjarni> I only had one issue with OSX and hardware that it didn't officially support. A DVD drive that made a kernel panic when it started a disc from sleep 22:46:58 <Bjarni> disallowing the drive to go to sleep fixed it though 22:47:12 <Tefad> stupid US just lengthened DST. 22:47:33 <Rubidium> Tefad: maybe they should lengthen it a little more (few months) 22:47:42 <Tefad> i'd rather see it abolished 22:47:50 <Bjarni> <Tefad> daylight savings time seriously needs to go <-- some Japanese politicians decided to try it so now they have two "test cities" who uses it while the rest of the country don't 22:48:04 <Tefad> try it?! 22:48:05 <Tefad> NOES 22:48:16 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-158-73-177.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:16 <Tefad> it's only barely useful for farmers or something 22:48:25 <Rubidium> Bjarni: reminds me of totally locking a Mac by simply 'playing' with some screensavers 22:48:42 <Bjarni> <Tefad> i'd rather see it abolished <-- it actually gets the intended job done (using the hours where the sun is up more efficiently) but it has so many side effects 22:49:00 <Tefad> i don't see how 22:49:08 <Tefad> just wake up earlier or open your stores earlier 22:49:09 <Tefad> done! 22:49:18 <Bjarni> the idea is that you get up an hour earlier when the sun gets up earlier 22:49:24 <Tefad> ^ 22:49:47 <Tefad> there are two ways to abolish DST 22:50:02 <Tefad> ignore DST altogether 22:50:09 <Bjarni> that's the idea but the side effects is like the milk truck shows up at the farm an hour earlier and then the cows aren't ready to be milked and stuff 22:50:13 <Tefad> OR, never set your clocks back to standard time. 22:50:30 <Bjarni> they even use hormones to get the cows to be milked an hour earlier o_O 22:50:58 <Bjarni> farmers hates changing the clock... because the internal clock in the animals don't change 22:50:59 <Tefad> there shouldn't be a binary change. 22:51:22 <Bjarni> you mean we should reset the clock at 12:00 every say 22:51:23 <Tefad> people need to gradually change their schedules over time. 22:51:26 <Bjarni> when the sun is at max? 22:51:44 <Tefad> what i'm saying has nothing to do with modifying clocks. 22:51:56 <Tefad> modify your schedule independent of time 22:52:18 <Bjarni> how about... just using UTC ± whatever fits your country and then stick to it 22:52:19 <Tefad> if not on a dailly basis, monthly. 22:52:39 <Tefad> Bjarni: what i'm saying works on any method of time keeping 22:52:46 <Tefad> you could count grains of sand in an hourglass 22:52:50 <Tefad> whatever floats your boat. 22:52:57 <Rubidium> how about 'just' using UTC ;) 22:52:59 <Tefad> just change your schedule around some constant time. 22:53:02 <Bjarni> sand don't float :P 22:53:14 <Tefad> Bjarni: depends on what you set it on. 22:53:38 <Tefad> i'm going out on a limb, but i'd think it floats on mercury 22:54:01 <Bjarni> <Rubidium> how about 'just' using UTC ;) <-- no... because then new years eve is less fun.... USA becomes last year once a year and we know that it will happen 22:54:30 <Bjarni> Tefad: you want a boat to float on mercury? 22:54:38 <Rubidium> Bjarni: it's 'more' fun as in the US they can't see the fireworks as it is still light outside ;) 22:54:39 <Tefad> hell pool balls float on mercury. 22:54:45 <Tefad> billard 22:54:52 <Bjarni> Rubidium: good point :D 22:55:12 * Bjarni got hit by a pool ball last week 22:55:18 <Tefad> ouch 22:55:23 <Bjarni> like 10 meters away from the table 22:55:40 <Bjarni> I didn't see how this guy was shooting but I'm pretty sure it's not the way to do it 22:56:13 <Bjarni> didn't hurt though... the floor took the impact before it continued on to me 22:56:27 <Bjarni> but... I was a bit surprised 22:56:44 <Bjarni> and then I flamed the shooting guy for not taking care of our pool table 22:57:36 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-132.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:59:11 <Tefad> heh 23:01:25 <Bjarni> well... technically it's not my table but I do know the owners 23:01:29 <Bjarni> which is close enough for me 23:04:57 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-133-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:05:13 * Bjarni is surprised how easy it is to kill a channel 23:05:24 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:05:40 <Bjarni> I just said that I got shot and then nobody says anything anymore 23:05:51 <Bjarni> except ouch 23:10:12 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-134-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:37 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:11:20 *** MindlessTux [~Brian_Dav@r75-110-56-184.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12:01 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:09 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 23:19:13 * Sacro fancies doing some OpenTTD development 23:20:16 * Bjarni feels scared 23:20:28 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:53 <Bjarni> Sacro: wtf are you doing? 23:22:22 <Sacro> Bjarni: well... 23:22:25 <Sacro> *cough* 23:24:48 <Bjarni> signals in tunnels? 23:26:37 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N954P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:29:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:30:30 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 23:35:41 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A70F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:42 <Tefad> Din moder Àr en skinka och din fader luktar flÀder 23:37:12 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 23:37:28 <Tefad> exactly. 23:43:20 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 23:48:39 *** toet [~Reefer@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has left #openttd [] 23:49:03 *** toet [~Reefer@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 23:51:19 <Gonozal_VIII> ha, i found out what language it is and could translate everything except the last word 23:51:38 <ln-> could it be the same as leder.. (checking) 23:52:29 <ln-> unknown 23:53:43 <ln-> finland har nordens billigaste tv-avgift. 23:54:46 <Gonozal_VIII> delicate country has north uniting cheapest TV charge ^^ 23:55:25 <Gonozal_VIII> that's rofl 23:55:36 <Gonozal_VIII> -ish 23:58:49 <Gonozal_VIII> and back: det delikat landet har nord att förena den mest billiga TVladdningen