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00:00:13 <Gekz> lol 00:00:18 <Gekz> or it could be in #openttd.notice 00:00:23 <Gekz> just voice the bot 00:00:50 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-39.44.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 00:02:35 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:13:21 <Brianetta> voice it? 00:13:31 <Brianetta> not possible for a fire-and-forget notifier 00:13:45 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:15 <Brianetta> proc IRC msg { 00:16:15 <Brianetta> set fd [socket irc.freenode.org 6667] 00:16:15 <Brianetta> puts $fd "NICK tcltest" 00:16:15 <Brianetta> puts $fd "USER tcltest 0 - :my real name" 00:16:17 <Brianetta> puts $fd "JOIN #tcl" 00:16:19 <Brianetta> puts $fd "PRIVMSG #tcl :$msg" 00:16:21 <Brianetta> close $fd 00:16:23 <Brianetta> } 00:16:30 <Brianetta> That's the code that the first autopilot IRC code used 00:17:53 <Brianetta> *** autopilot has joined #autopilot-test 00:17:53 <Brianetta> <autopilot> Player has joined the game. There are now 4 player(s). 00:17:53 <Brianetta> *** autopilot has quite (EOF from client) 00:18:26 <Brianetta> or something very like that 00:18:44 <Brianetta> The server admins notice that sort of thing, though. 00:23:01 <Gekz> cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-mno-cygwin" 00:23:13 <Gekz> WINDRES=/usr/bin/i486-mingw32-windres ./configure --os=mingw --with-sdl --with-png --with-zlib --enable-static --install-dir=$PWD/mingw-install 00:23:17 <Gekz> that's the line I used to configure it 00:24:49 * SpComb plays around with memcached 00:26:04 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.lan:8118/ <-- note slightly different port and list of images below the zoom buttons (isn't related to OpenTTD) 00:26:21 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-157-143.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:27:25 <glx> Gekz: you need --host 00:27:59 <glx> and WINDRES=... is not needed 00:28:02 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:00 <glx> something like ./configure --os=mingw --with-sdl --with-png --with-zlib --enable-static --install-dir=$PWD/mingw-install --host=i486-mingw32 00:31:07 <Gekz> ah thanks glx 00:31:08 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:31:57 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-176-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32:01 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 00:34:51 <Gekz> : /home/brendan/openttd/OpenTTD-Dev/src/fontcache.cpp:22:22: error: ft2build.h: No such file or directory 00:35:26 <glx> that's freetype 00:36:13 <glx> try --without-freetype 00:41:45 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:50:50 <Gekz> slowly but surely I am down to this: ./configure --os=mingw --with-sdl --enable-static --install-dir=$PWD/mingw-install --host=i486-mingw32 --without-freetype 00:50:51 <Gekz> lol 00:52:50 *** dev|ant [~dev_ant@ains-202-126-98-12.ains.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:53:26 <fjb> i486? No wonder that it is slow... 00:57:26 <glx> also sdl is not really needed for windows 00:58:45 <Gekz> home/brendan/openttd/OpenTTD-Dev/src/saveload.cpp:1151:18: error: zlib.h: No such file or directory 00:58:49 <Gekz> wtf? 00:58:50 <Gekz> >_> 00:59:02 <Gekz> do i have to say --without-zlib 00:59:02 <Gekz> >_> 00:59:24 <glx> to disable it totally yes, else it will find the linux one ;) 00:59:30 <Gekz> damn thats annoying 00:59:30 <Gekz> lol 00:59:45 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@86.155.39.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:59 <glx> but you can have a mingw zlib.a somewhere and use --with-zlib=/path/to/mingw/zlib.a 01:01:31 <Gekz> is it required? 01:01:45 <Gekz> isn't it just a compression library. 01:02:13 <glx> highly recommended if you want to be able to join a server, or load any savegame 01:02:59 <glx> and uncompressed savegame are very big 01:04:35 <Gekz> gah 01:04:36 <Gekz> lol 01:04:38 <Gekz> NOW you tell me 01:04:45 <Gekz> so now I should find a mingw zlib.a 01:04:51 <Gekz> or, just for fun, I could make one 01:06:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> he meant "load any savegame not saved with this binary 01:06:01 *** joosa` [joosa@heh.fi] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:06:09 *** joosa [joosa@heh.fi] has joined #openttd 01:06:28 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BD17.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:06:32 <glx> you can build it using mingwport IIRC 01:08:33 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:37 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485C587.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:20:26 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:37 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:31:30 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:31:42 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 01:32:35 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:26 <fjb> Good night. 01:35:37 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C587.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Realworld is calling.] 01:37:58 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77A60.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:46:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:54:45 <Gekz> glx: how can I tell it where the headers are 01:54:47 <Gekz> >_> 01:56:21 <glx> with CFLAGS 01:56:45 <Gekz> hmm 01:57:16 <Gekz> howw so 02:00:16 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-151-180.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:14:10 <Sacro> glx: surely LDFLAGS 02:14:25 <Sacro> Gekz: are you using make or ./configure? 02:14:41 <glx> Sacro: LDFLAGS is for libs, not for includes 02:14:48 <Gekz> doesn't matte 02:14:49 <Gekz> r 02:14:49 <Sacro> oh yes, headers 02:14:51 <Sacro> not libraries 02:14:53 <Gekz> I have the answer 02:14:54 * Sacro slaps self 02:16:09 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 02:21:57 *** joosa` [~joosa@heh.fi] has joined #openttd 02:21:57 *** joosa [joosa@heh.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27:34 <Gekz> damn 02:27:39 <Gekz> I dont think this was smart 02:27:53 <Gekz> if I put it on windows it's going to look for /usr/local/share/openttd isn't it 02:27:54 <Gekz> lol 02:28:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11624 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: 02:28:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix[FS#1530]: An error in the translation of bitset to scroll directions made 02:28:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: it so that up-down-right arrow keys did scrolled up, while it should have 02:28:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: scrolled right instead. It was initially interpreted as left-right-up. 02:29:46 <glx> <Gekz> if I put it on windows it's going to look for /usr/local/share/openttd isn't it <-- not it will use registry to know where to look 02:29:54 <Gekz> ah goody. 02:30:07 <Gekz> so what do I zip up then >_> 02:30:16 <Gekz> I've done make install, and it's in it's destdir. 02:30:44 <glx> make bundle_zip in compile dir is enough 02:31:23 <Gekz> that makes sense 02:31:23 <Gekz> lol 02:33:19 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:33:31 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 02:33:38 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:35:14 *** byq [~gcichowsk@chello087206185045.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 02:37:28 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489DC02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:42:31 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489BCBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:49:55 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489CB1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:50:57 *** byq [~gcichowsk@chello087206185045.chello.pl] has left #openttd [] 02:54:53 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489BCBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:03:14 <Belugas_Gone> anyone having a 19" LCS at 1280*1024? How is OTTD reacting when asked to be in full screen with fullscreen_bpp=32? 03:05:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't think i ever tried fullscreen in the last 2 years 03:06:07 <glx> I usually do 800*600 in window mode (1024*768 desktop) 03:06:52 <glx> but only when playing, when debuging it's 640*480 03:07:23 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-180-175.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:07:45 <Sacro> Belugas_Gone: which version? 03:07:55 <Belugas_Gone> head 03:08:02 <Sacro> i don't do head 03:08:05 <Sacro> will nightly be fine? 03:08:15 <Belugas_Gone> what do you do? 03:08:23 * Belugas_Gone slaps Sacro 03:08:29 <Sacro> stable, nightly, beta 03:08:33 <Belugas_Gone> alpha 03:08:38 <Belugas_Gone> but... 03:08:47 <Sacro> meh :p same diff 03:08:47 <Belugas_Gone> in your case, i prefer beta :D 03:09:00 <Belugas_Gone> and only glx can understand ;) 03:09:05 <Sacro> oh? 03:09:11 <Sacro> must be a french thing 03:09:17 <Belugas_Gone> yup :) 03:09:29 <Sacro> so, what settings? 03:10:01 <glx> didn't get it immediatly Belugas_Gone ;) 03:10:49 <Sacro> seems to be fine here 03:11:53 <Belugas_Gone> 1280*1024, fullscreen_bpp=32, full screen 03:11:59 <Sacro> yeah 03:12:02 <Belugas_Gone> glx, but now you do? 03:12:05 <Belugas_Gone> i'm sure 03:12:11 <Belugas_Gone> Sacro: ok , thanks 03:12:19 <Belugas_Gone> that's what i though 03:12:39 <glx> yep 03:17:19 <Sacro> night chaps 03:19:39 <Belugas_Gone> bye Sacro 03:23:59 <Belugas_Gone> pffff... tired 03:24:09 <Belugas_Gone> my turn to go to sleep 03:24:11 <Belugas_Gone> night all 03:25:17 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-39.44.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 03:26:44 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:27:17 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 03:43:22 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-24-161.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 03:48:50 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:03:02 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180067158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:07:08 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067111.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:38 <ln-> can i expect department stores to be open next sunday in Germany? 04:19:29 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:28:49 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 04:33:58 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 04:35:37 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6379.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 04:35:38 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 04:43:32 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 05:02:32 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 05:08:58 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:09:31 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 05:10:33 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:16:56 *** Andzy [~Andzy@210.213.143.62] has joined #openttd 05:18:18 <Andzy> hi guys. 05:24:07 <Gekz> hmm 05:24:13 <Gekz> OpenTTD runs in wine perfectly 05:24:24 <Andzy> lol been playing a lot OTTD :D 05:25:54 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-24-161.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:26:06 *** dev|ant [~dev_ant@ains-202-126-98-12.ains.net.au] has quit [] 05:27:34 <Gekz> we should do it like our forefathers and play TTD without OpenTTD on top! 05:27:58 <Andzy> lol do you know any strat sites for ttd ? 05:30:19 <Gekz> nop 05:33:59 *** Andzy [~Andzy@210.213.143.62] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 05:39:25 <Tefad> Gekz: i'm sure you're aware it runs natively too yes? (i don't know who you are) 05:44:05 <Gekz> yes 05:44:13 <Gekz> I crosscompiled for Windows, and tested in wine 05:44:18 <Gekz> I expected errors and such 05:44:19 <Gekz> but found none 05:53:19 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:56:00 <Tefad> yup yup. 05:56:16 <Tefad> games tend to not use a whole lot of weird win api stuff other than directx 05:56:49 <Tefad> i find that windows programs that use SDL/opengl work ok in wine 05:59:01 *** Draagon [~chatzilla@88-196-99-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 06:00:41 *** Draagon [~chatzilla@88-196-99-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [] 06:16:45 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 06:17:46 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-209-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:21:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57129.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:24:10 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 06:29:27 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:36:05 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:37:30 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:42:20 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-209-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:43:40 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-66-74-155-152.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:45:50 <hylje> sloped stations pls!! :o 07:10:21 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 07:16:15 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 07:25:40 *** Svish [~opera@host-85-30-130-97.sydskane.nu] has joined #openttd 07:26:51 <Svish> is it intentonally that electric trains are disabled all together when you disable electric tracks? 07:27:18 <Svish> I thought disabling the electric tracks would just turn it back to the regular tycoon way... 07:33:52 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:34:17 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:54:39 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:01:32 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 08:10:32 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:34 <LordAzamath> svish 08:11:53 <LordAzamath> if you disable electric tracs 08:11:57 <LordAzamath> tracks* 08:12:29 <LordAzamath> then it means that electric trains can run on normal tracks 08:12:45 <LordAzamath> so there is ne need to build electrified rail 08:13:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:14:01 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-119-208.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:15:59 <Svish> LordAzamath: yeah, that is what I thought it was. but thing is that I am not allowed to build electric trains in the regular train depots 08:16:07 <Svish> so I have no way of building them 08:16:20 <LordAzamath> what's the game year? 08:16:53 <Svish> 1998 08:17:48 <Svish> and I can only make diesel trains 08:18:06 <LordAzamath> but steamers :D 08:18:09 <LordAzamath> ? 08:18:18 <LordAzamath> and what grf's are you using 08:18:23 <Svish> well, I can build those too :p 08:18:26 <Svish> grfs? 08:18:31 <Svish> the standard ones? 08:18:34 <Svish> from original tycoon 08:18:40 <Svish> I havent modded anything 08:18:47 <LordAzamath> hehe 08:18:48 <Svish> just downloaded the windows version and installed :p 08:19:10 <LordAzamath> nightly? 08:19:31 <Svish> stable 08:19:33 <Svish> i believe 08:19:38 <LordAzamath> 0.5.3 the? 08:19:41 <LordAzamath> then* 08:19:45 <Svish> 0.5.3 08:20:13 <LordAzamath> grab a nightly and look, if the problem is still there 08:20:29 * LordAzamath thinks when did he last play on stables anyway 08:20:58 <Svish> hehe 08:21:12 <LordAzamath> the nightlys are usually very stable and the have got a lot more features than stables 08:21:18 <Svish> so I would have to install a nightly and then start a new game and play all the way to 1998 again? 08:21:27 <Svish> ok 08:21:28 <LordAzamath> no 08:21:40 <LordAzamath> you can specify the starting date 08:21:46 <LordAzamath> in the beginning 08:21:55 <LordAzamath> or use cheats to get there 08:21:57 <Svish> yeah, but still, I would "loose" the game I have? 08:22:01 <LordAzamath> no 08:22:17 <LordAzamath> you can play it with nightlys too 08:22:26 <LordAzamath> just save 0.5.3 08:22:31 <LordAzamath> and load in nightly 08:22:52 <LordAzamath> I believe the nightlys can oopen older saves 08:22:56 <Svish> so, would I just install the nightly ontop of the one I have now? 08:23:04 <LordAzamath> if you want 08:23:17 <LordAzamath> the way I do it is.. 08:23:31 <LordAzamath> nightly.openttd.org 08:23:35 <LordAzamath> win32 build 08:23:42 <LordAzamath> download it 08:24:14 <LordAzamath> and put trg*r.grf s and sample.cat into the data dir 08:24:17 <LordAzamath> and start nightly 08:24:27 <LordAzamath> no installing is actually needed 08:24:35 <Svish> yeah, its just a zip file :) 08:24:42 <LordAzamath> unzip it 08:24:52 <Svish> maybe ill just put it on the side then 08:25:14 <LordAzamath> or enable electric rails :D 08:25:42 <LordAzamath> anyway...I believe 0.5.3 is kinda outdated too already 08:25:57 <LordAzamath> 0.6.0-beta2 is the last release 08:26:07 <LordAzamath> although it contains few bugs 08:26:21 <Svish> yeah but: Let's hope that this beta has way less bugs than the first beta so we can release 0.6.0 'soon', but then releasing 0.5.0 took 3 months so nothing is certain. 08:26:29 <Svish> .. doesnt make me trust it that much :p 08:27:06 <LordAzamath> you know that current nightlys are more stable than beta2 08:27:21 <LordAzamath> because beta2 has had way more testers 08:27:29 <LordAzamath> and bugs are fixed on nightlys 08:27:55 <Svish> i see 08:30:30 <LordAzamath> the beta2 had a bug that banks were outside citys 08:30:39 <LordAzamath> what was fixed in next nightly 08:30:41 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6E54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:30:45 <LordAzamath> or smthing like that 08:32:29 <Svish> well, here we go. ill try it out now :) 08:32:48 <Svish> um.. why is it in norwegian and in a window? 08:33:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 08:34:13 <LordAzamath> norwegian? 08:34:43 <LordAzamath> ammm..I think you know where is configuration 08:35:03 <LordAzamath> change it to english or whatever language you like 08:35:08 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@86.155.39.192] has joined #openttd 08:35:29 <LordAzamath> and there is an option for full screen also 08:45:21 <Svish> well, thank you :) 08:45:27 <Svish> looks like it worked :) 08:45:37 <Svish> suddenly I had the eurostar train :p 08:51:27 <toet> if you have a program, you got it from someone to work on it a little, then you end up rewriting, changing and improving the program 08:51:31 <toet> code still his or yours? 08:51:42 <toet> wrong chan 08:52:08 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 08:54:43 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:55:03 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 08:55:49 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:55:52 <Svish> does anyone here have any advice on how to keep cities happy? 08:55:58 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 08:56:06 <Svish> they keep getting angry at me and not letting me build any stations around them =/ 08:57:09 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:59:31 <LordAzamath> build trees 08:59:41 <LordAzamath> and keep station ratings up 08:59:56 <LordAzamath> and bribe (can be quite expensive though) 09:01:16 <LordAzamath> Svish . take a look here 09:01:17 <LordAzamath> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Game_mechanics#Local_authority_rating 09:07:42 <Svish> yeah, Ive never really understood those ratings... 09:07:50 <Svish> or the % transported 09:07:58 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 09:08:08 <Svish> cause even when I keep the station empty, it often says like... 40-50% transported 09:22:28 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:41:04 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43:06 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:46:04 *** kris [~kris@80.239.93.22] has joined #openttd 09:46:11 <kris> hello all 09:47:06 <kris> where have these Everhard servers been latly? 09:50:01 <kris> anybody here? 09:50:01 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:35 *** kris [~kris@80.239.93.22] has quit [] 09:50:50 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 09:56:37 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 09:56:44 <Gekz> no 09:58:21 <Svish> LordAzamath: thanks :) 09:58:52 <Svish> btw, openttd needs a.... "find all vehicels that have this station in their goto-list"-function :p 09:59:03 <Svish> (or is there one already somewhere?) 09:59:06 <LordAzamath> there is 09:59:31 <LordAzamath> click on the station 09:59:41 <LordAzamath> and there is a button with little train 10:01:23 <LordAzamath> on when you click that button, you'll be given a list of trains that visit that station 10:15:25 <Svish> ooh 10:15:28 <Svish> thank you :D 10:15:56 <Svish> do you have a recommendation on 4-way junctions? 10:15:57 <Svish> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Junction 10:19:06 <Svish> and is there a way to upgrade all trains from electric to monorail kind of? or is it only manual? 10:33:54 <LordAzamath> that is...manual I guess... 10:34:54 <LordAzamath> Svish , the way I do it is to send all trains to depots, zoom out, convert wjole tracks at once, and then start replacing them...manually 10:40:48 <LordAzamath> and...if you ask something it's useful to name my name (or anybody's else's) because then IRC notifies me that my name is being mentioned 10:57:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:58:57 <Svish> LordAzamath 10:59:01 <Svish> good point :) 10:59:05 <LordAzamath> yes 10:59:05 <Svish> yeah, thats what I did 10:59:13 <Svish> so, in the process of replacing now 10:59:24 <Svish> figured it went faster to create wagons first 10:59:32 <Svish> cause then the train snap to the wagons 10:59:35 <LordAzamath> then create trains and clone 11:01:08 <Svish> i just discovered a timetable feature... 11:01:14 <Svish> is that documented somewhere in the manual? 11:01:36 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-19-44.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 11:02:52 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@86.155.39.192] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:09 <Svish> ah, found it 11:03:09 <Svish> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Orders#Timetable 11:04:59 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:05:15 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C587.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:21 <fjb> Moin 11:20:37 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:37:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:32 * SpComb notes that the viewports in the vehicle info popups are evil 12:02:55 <SpComb> since the drag-square-to-dynamite code works from the main view to those viewports >_> 12:03:23 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/#goto_1963_357_3 12:07:42 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@86.160.171.4] has joined #openttd 12:08:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> i only see a grey frame 12:09:28 * SpComb wonders what he broke this time 12:09:47 <SpComb> perhaps it's just a bit slow? 12:10:11 * SpComb stops it anyways 12:13:56 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-198-98.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 12:14:52 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-198-98.netcologne.de] has quit [] 12:16:55 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-198-98.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 12:17:28 *** buke [~xboukevx@3E33C89A.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 12:17:45 <buke> !password 12:17:54 *** buke [~xboukevx@3E33C89A.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [] 12:26:59 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-24-161.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:27:04 <SpComb> now yapf is asserting 12:29:48 *** joachim [~joachim@26.84-234-176.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 12:29:53 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:29 *** joachim [~joachim@26.84-234-176.customer.lyse.net] has left #openttd [] 12:41:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 12:41:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 12:41:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 12:43:56 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:49:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> yapf assertions are always the greatest ;) 12:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> because nobody understands how it works ;) 12:53:26 <SpComb> http://pastebin.com/m7126efe5 <-- have a traceback 12:54:24 <SpComb> it's somehow related to me making a screenshot, though, because it doesn't happen until I do so, and once I do so, it happens 12:56:04 <SpComb> except now that I try it, it obviously doesn't happen 12:56:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> memory corruption? 12:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> buffer overflow in the screenshot method? 13:01:44 <SpComb> that is, unfortunately, always a possiblity 13:01:48 <SpComb> (gdb) p this 13:01:48 <SpComb> = (const CYapfRailSegmentKey * const) 0x8c8c8c8c8c8c8c8c 13:03:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, yapf should have absolutely no relation to viewports and screenshots 13:03:36 <SmatZ> 0x8c8c8c8c ... looks like rectangle filled with one color overwrote some memory 13:04:53 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:38 <SmatZ> openttd colour palette says it would be some "blue" colour...140 13:10:16 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i59F7E3FE.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:10:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7E3FE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:11:10 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/tile?x=7168&y=7680&w=256&h=256&z=1&ts=1197465049093 <-- that color of blue? 13:11:36 <SpComb> checkpoint-sign-blue? 13:12:17 <SpComb> (120, 88, 224), #7858E0 13:14:56 <ln-> 06:07 < ln-> can i expect department stores to be open next sunday in Germany? 13:15:30 <SmatZ> SpComb: maybe... it is in docs/ottd-colour-palette.gif 13:15:32 <SpComb> indeed, doesn't segv or crash anymore 13:16:12 <Purno> what's the key-combination/short-cut for the big pixel display in 0.6.0 beta 2? 0.5.3 RC2 had that at key D... 13:16:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: that probably depends on which city you are in 13:16:18 *** LeviathNL [IceChat7@wlan-145-94-223-248.wlan.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 13:16:43 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: let's assume Hamburg 13:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> that i have no idea of... 13:17:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> generally, the more metropolitan the area is, the more likely it is 13:17:58 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:18:53 <ln-> ok 13:19:01 <ln-> Hamburg is the second largest city or what? 13:19:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Verkaufsoffene Sonntage wird es im VorweihnachtsgeschÀft nicht geben. "Das erlaubt das Hamburger Ladenöffnungsgesetz im Advent nicht", so Kalkmann. Erst im nÀchsten Jahr wird es wieder insgesamt vier Shopping-Sonntage geben." 13:22:56 <ln-> so 1200's 13:26:52 <Wezz6400> four open sundays in an entire year for a city the size of hamburg? :o 13:27:24 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:30:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> Wezz6400: the laws about open shops in germany are very strict 13:31:11 <Wezz6400> I see, why? 13:31:21 <SpComb> I suspect that the call to DrawFrameRect in ViewportDrawStrings is broken and causes memory corruption 13:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> in the last few years they got loosened a bit... 13:31:40 <SpComb> I guess it doesn't do bounds checking and tries to draw the entire sign box even though only part of it is visible 13:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> originally, you were only allowed to open until 16:00, except on thursdays 13:32:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> then it got allowed to 18:00 and 20:00 in steps 13:32:12 *** gule [~Administr@tm.84.52.149.249.dc.cable.static.telemach.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:37 <Wezz6400> 16:00 :o how could you do your shopping then? 13:32:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have no idea 13:35:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> there are strong lobbys against liberal laws, especially the churches 13:35:47 <Wezz6400> ugh 13:36:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> also gas stations have no interest in liberal laws, because they are an exception, and are allowed to be open at all hours 13:36:17 <Wezz6400> in the netherlands you can have shops open every sunday if you are in a major tourist area, that rule has been misused by just about every county in the country :D 13:36:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> they could loose their monopoly in that time 13:37:44 * Tefad loosens his pants 13:40:00 <Tefad> in the US there aren't any national laws for hours of operation for stores, that i know of 13:40:38 <Tefad> however many localities prohibit sale of alcohol between certain hours of the day, and even the whole day of sunday 13:40:50 <Tefad> some only prohibit sale before noon sunday 13:41:46 <Tefad> not too hard to bypass these things if you're close to an area with different laws 13:42:00 <Tefad> just buy your crap over there : ) 13:42:57 * SpComb implements a new all-signs-are-transparent "feature" 13:43:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> the US have a completely different system of organising laws 13:43:27 <SpComb> it's a single-digit line diff, consisting of a /* on one row, and a */ on another row 13:43:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> a lot of laws (like taxes, weapon owning, speed limits etc.) are decided on very low level 13:44:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> "federal laws" only exist for the most basic stuff 13:44:56 <Tefad> yup. 13:45:06 <Tefad> if you don't like local laws you can always move 13:45:34 <Tefad> most basic stuff is all you /really/ need anyway 13:45:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's one of the reason why american people do not really care what their president does... he has almost no influence on the local people, most of his powers are for foreign politics 13:45:59 <Tefad> the rest is mostly filler 13:46:35 <Tefad> drug laws are mostly federal 13:46:46 <Tefad> some states sue the federal government over it too 13:46:58 <Tefad> vehicle emissions laws too 13:47:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, the power distribution is completely different in germany 13:47:37 <Tefad> germany is also rather small 13:47:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> a lot of power lies with the federal government, almost no powers are left to the local authorities 13:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, USA has only like 5 times the inhabitants of germany 13:48:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> the population density is really high 13:48:55 <Tefad> local law here specifies things like.. noise levels, where you can and cant ride a bicycle, etc. 13:49:25 <Tefad> and i just moved from locale to another.. i don't even know the new laws here 13:49:51 <Tefad> where i was previously didn't have many local laws 13:49:59 <Wezz6400> Eddi|zuHause3 it's all relative 13:50:07 <Tefad> hmm. i mean two places ago : ) 13:50:15 <Tefad> very rural 13:50:24 <Wezz6400> compared to the US germany is quite crowded, compared to The Netherlands, Germany has lots of space 13:50:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, of course... 13:51:22 <Tefad> wow, 82 million 13:51:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> there's a reason why germany has the second largest TV market on the planet... 13:52:12 <Tefad> heh 13:53:23 *** gule [~Administr@tm.84.52.149.249.dc.cable.static.telemach.net] has left #openttd [] 13:54:00 <Tefad> america still has quite a bit of room to grow 13:54:29 <Tefad> and mexico is contributing some number of immigrants 13:54:47 <Tefad> toodles. 13:56:36 <Wezz6400> heh well for us it's simple 13:56:43 <Wezz6400> if we need more space we just create it 13:56:46 <Wezz6400> :+ 13:58:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> and then sealevel rises by 3m, and half of the country is gone ;) 13:58:57 <Wezz6400> nah 13:59:12 <Wezz6400> our seadykes are 12 meters above sealevel 14:00:20 <glx> at least the "seagate" works 14:00:31 <glx> dunno the real name of this thing 14:02:32 <Wezz6400> I think you're talking about this: http://www.binnenvaartinbeeld.com/Oosterscheldekering_oosterscheldekering%20(6).jpg 14:04:53 <blathijs> The 'Deltawerken' :-) 14:06:14 <Wezz6400> well yes, however those consist of many kilometers of dykes and serveral dams 14:13:39 <glx> I was talking about Maeslantkering 14:16:00 <Wezz6400> I'm curious though, does "yours" not work? 14:25:49 <Belugas> hello 14:27:14 <Belugas> LordAzamath, i hope you're happy now ;) 14:27:25 <LordAzamath> yes! 14:27:32 <LordAzamath> I noticed it this morning 14:28:22 * LordAzamath thinks of some more stupid bugs and Belugas shows the picture of hungry birds... 14:28:28 <Belugas> man... it took me a long time to find the place... but once it was spotted, was an easy fix :) 14:28:37 <Belugas> please.... no.... 14:37:20 <LeviathNL> what fix are you talking about? 14:37:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11625 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: add CO_* enum at some places, add includes of order.h too 14:39:19 <Belugas> LeviathNL, r11624 http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1530 14:39:29 <Belugas> a very critical bug :D 14:42:40 <Belugas> but agreed, it had to be fixed 14:43:23 <LeviathNL> How could we have missed this bug before :P 14:43:33 <Belugas> lol 14:44:26 <Belugas> the question could be : what in the name of Heaven LordAzamath was doing pressing 3 arrow keys at once! 14:44:36 <Sacro> Belugas: i do it sometimes 14:44:41 <Sacro> to see how the game reacts 14:44:47 <SmatZ> :-) 14:44:49 <SpComb> too used to play StepMania 14:45:06 * Belugas shakes his head in disbelief 14:45:13 <LordAzamath> sacro wrote: to see how the game reacts 14:45:16 <LordAzamath> agree 14:46:02 * Belugas thinks about disabling the non-sense key combinations, since he now knows where they are 14:46:29 <Sacro> :( 14:46:48 <Sacro> SpComb: orly? 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16:14:45 <Sacro> mmm, custom music would be snazzy 16:15:29 <remaxim> at least I am interested in creating music for openttd ;) .... 16:15:45 <Digitalfox> nice 16:16:01 <Digitalfox> So what would you like to know? 16:16:14 <Digitalfox> That is if me a and sacro can help 16:16:26 <remaxim> what kind of music do you need? 16:16:40 <Sacro> ragtime is what the default stuff is 16:17:30 <remaxim> Àhm... what's the default stuff? 16:18:06 <remaxim> fuck ... I have to look up ragtime ;) ... 16:18:21 <Digitalfox> Well open uses the old music from old TTD ( 1995 ) 16:19:10 <Sacro> "No trace of the car or the victim were ever found, only a 55 metre deep crater and 500 metres of missing road. " 16:19:10 <remaxim> Digitalfox, but only if somebody has the old TTD, right? 16:19:40 * Belugas thinks he saw some mp3s of the old music floating on the forums 16:20:05 <remaxim> Belugas, it would be great if I could get some sound examples ;) 16:20:09 <Digitalfox> yes, for you to play open, you have to use TTD original graphics and music/sound 16:20:33 <Sacro> Belugas: yes, i belive orudge has them on his site 16:20:37 * Belugas does not remember where it was 16:20:43 <Belugas> haaa.. poke orudge :) 16:21:07 <Sacro> http://users.tt-forums.net/jfs/ 16:21:09 <Belugas> remaxim: current music is done with midi files (or very close to midi anyway) 16:21:18 * Sacro remembers things 16:21:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83553.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:33 <Sacro> http://transporttycoon.net/mp3/ has some good ones too 16:21:38 * Belugas has too much on his head to remember all 16:21:50 <Sacro> http://users.tt-forums.net/jfs/psx/ and the PSX ones here 16:21:53 <Sacro> as ogg thouhg 16:22:12 <remaxim> thx 16:22:32 <remaxim> Digitalfox, does openTTD work without the original TTD? 16:23:00 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:23:03 <Digitalfox> well like i said it needs original graphics and music sound files, just that 16:23:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B833BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:23:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:23:28 <Digitalfox> when you try to install it asks where you have the files and copy them to open directory 16:23:36 <remaxim> Digitalfox, so openTTD is no real game yet? 16:23:55 <Digitalfox> It is, but needs those files 16:24:02 <Sacro> you dont need the gm folder 16:24:07 <Digitalfox> theres already new graphics being made 16:24:18 <remaxim> ok... now I know why it doesn't work on my pc 16:25:00 <remaxim> are you trying to make your game independent from the old one? 16:25:55 *** Svish [~opera@host-85-30-130-97.sydskane.nu] has left #openttd [] 16:26:38 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@workstation.freenull.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:43 <Digitalfox> well the developers are 16:27:09 <remaxim> and the other ones? 16:28:11 <Digitalfox> Well you have to understand that TTD is copyrighted so the use of old music and graphics well just say they may be some legal problems 16:28:31 <Digitalfox> in distribution of them with Open 16:28:51 <Digitalfox> So any new music, sounds and graphics's are welcome :) 16:29:28 <Belugas> yup 16:29:38 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-119-208.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:38 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 16:29:49 <Belugas> remaxim, on what are you working? keyboard only? 16:30:00 <Sacro> Digitalfox: apostraphe abuse is unwelcome 16:30:34 <Digitalfox> I'm sure if you made good music the developers would like to include it with Open :) 16:30:52 <Digitalfox> And one called belugas is talking with you remaxim ;) 16:31:01 <remaxim> brb 16:31:56 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@86.160.171.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:32:58 <remaxim> Belugas, yes, keyboard only 16:33:34 <remaxim> Digitalfox, sorry... I was a little bit busy 16:33:35 <Belugas> ok 16:34:46 <svippy> Hm. 16:34:48 <Digitalfox> remaxim: I was just saying that you were talking with a developer who might help with more info ;) 16:34:57 <svippy> I wonder why openttd uses full CPU. 16:35:06 <remaxim> I m just asking if it is the projects main goal is to make an independent game or not! because my music probably won't be nearly as good as the original one 16:35:15 <remaxim> Digitalfox, ah... thx 16:35:17 *** Svish [~opera@host-85-30-130-97.sydskane.nu] has joined #openttd 16:35:29 <remaxim> Belugas, may I ask how far you are with the graphics? 16:36:03 <remaxim> Is playing possible without the original graphics? 16:36:17 <BiA|pavel-css> no 16:36:47 <Digitalfox> remaxim: I believe the main goal in future is to release open with graphics and music/sounds of it's own, and give the option of use the old ones of TTD :) 16:36:50 <remaxim> sorry... I am a little bit confused ... BiA|pavel-css, you're a developer too? 16:36:56 <BiA|pavel-css> no :) 16:36:58 <Belugas> remaxim, i'm not in charge of the graphics rewrite. Alltaken was, but he left. LordAzamath mght eventually take over. So i can;t answer about that 16:36:59 <BiA|pavel-css> i am ... the lame :) 16:37:21 <remaxim> BiA|pavel-css, ok... np 16:37:30 <BiA|pavel-css> i am just making some usefull patches for me ;) 16:37:47 <LordAzamath> why do I always get notified, when smb names my name :( 16:37:57 <BiA|pavel-css> :) 16:37:59 <Digitalfox> remaxim you may want to create a topic to have more feedback here http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=55 16:38:00 <remaxim> LordAzamath, great that you're here :) 16:38:01 <Belugas> remaxim: devs are Rubidium, Bjarni, glx, egladil, SmatZ, skidd13, Maedhros and I 16:38:03 <BiA|pavel-css> sameone is talking about you :) 16:38:59 <remaxim> LordAzamath, do you know how far the graphicdesign is? I mean how long it takes till you can play openttd without the original graphics? 16:39:03 <Belugas> [11:43] <BiA|pavel-css> i am just making some usefull patches for me ;) <--- read "bypassing the system" ;) 16:39:29 <remaxim> Belugas, what do you mean with bypassing the system? 16:39:36 <BiA|pavel-css> Belugas: well, atm yes :) 16:39:40 <Digitalfox> remaxim: And if you have some doubs on open stuff look here http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Main_Page ;) 16:39:48 <Belugas> remaxim: it will take a while. there are an awfull lot of work still to do 16:40:32 * SpComb wonders where that Ruud person is 16:40:45 <Belugas> remaxim: i mean that BiA|pavel-css writes code that make it so that the limits and obstacles coded in the game are not taken into account anymore 16:40:55 <LordAzamath> remaxim...I haven't taken over anything yet...althogh yesterday I was here GLX told me that maybe it's better to just convert all new 32bpp stuff to 8bpp too...in that case they'd be released together I think 16:41:13 <remaxim> OK... 16:41:34 <remaxim> so it probably will take more than a year, right? 16:41:54 <Belugas> oh yeah... big time... I wold be very surprised if it anytime sooner 16:42:32 <BiA|pavel-css> that would be great 16:42:52 <BiA|pavel-css> but i am missing old 32bpp files :( like forest, sawmill 16:43:10 <remaxim> Belugas, maybe it's better if I just leave you my email address and you write me a mail when you're near to finishing (=making it playable) the game 16:43:23 <LordAzamath> you think he would remember? 16:43:31 <BiA|pavel-css> hehe :) 16:43:33 <Belugas> i would not, definitively 16:43:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:44:11 <Belugas> not that i'm not kind and gentle, but i've got way too much stuff to remembre that 16:44:21 <Belugas> mmhh... i'm NOT kind and gentle :D 16:44:22 <remaxim> Belugas, there would be a point where you think: "fuck... we need some music for the game" and then you'll remember the email 16:44:34 <Belugas> doubtfull ;) 16:44:36 <Belugas> really! 16:44:43 <Belugas> i know me 16:45:03 <Belugas> even if i remember, i would not find the email :) 16:45:04 <LordAzamath> does remaxim remix some music? 16:45:11 <BiA|pavel-css> i bet, beluges will dont remember remaxim: in 2months :) 16:45:11 <LordAzamath> :D 16:45:15 <Belugas> that is why the suggestion of the forums entry is the best one 16:45:34 <remaxim> LordAzamath, no I don't remix ... ;) 16:45:48 <LordAzamath> it was just a word game :D 16:45:54 <remaxim> I know... 16:45:59 <LordAzamath> but you do do? 16:46:07 <LordAzamath> or better...make music 16:46:08 <LordAzamath> ? 16:48:07 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-226-131.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:47 <remaxim> LordAzamath, I am making making, so yes 16:48:52 *** Greeny [~Greeny@78-106-231-231.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:49:03 <remaxim> Belugas, it's just not satisfying to work for a game that maybe will publish in more than a year! 16:49:23 <Sacro> remaxim: the quicker people work, the sooner the release 16:49:37 <Greeny> hi guys 16:49:37 <BiA|pavel-css> if you will have the music and it will be good, i think devs will include it ... 16:49:51 <LordAzamath> because music is in sample.cat 16:49:55 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@86.160.171.4] has joined #openttd 16:49:56 <LordAzamath> not in some grf 16:50:00 <remaxim> I am working for Thousand Parsec right now and it's already disturbing me that I can't work as fast as I want because they aren't progressing that fast 16:50:35 <Greeny> tommorow i`v installed Vista (Russian lang) and got those problem in Open TDD: http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6897/ttdprhu4.jpg 16:50:38 *** Draagon [~chatzilla@88-196-99-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 16:50:42 <Greeny> any idea how i can fix it? 16:50:43 <Greeny> >< 16:50:47 <remaxim> Sacro, of course... but it mainly won't depend on me how fast it will be finished 16:51:04 <BiA|pavel-css> Greeny: your problems will be tomorow not today or yesterday .) 16:51:18 <Sacro> indeed 16:51:19 <Greeny> my eng is bad >< 16:51:23 <Sacro> i foresee time travel 16:51:29 <Greeny> *today i mean ))) 16:51:31 <BiA|pavel-css> Greeny: have you putted there unifont.grf? 16:51:36 <Sacro> Greeny: rtfm? 16:51:39 <Greeny> hm.... 16:51:45 <Greeny> where i can get it? 16:51:46 <Sacro> BiA|pavel-css: pebkac 16:51:53 <Sacro> you don't need to do that 16:52:00 <Sacro> you can just give it a font with cyrillics 16:52:00 <BiA|pavel-css> Sacro: "pebkac"? 16:52:07 <remaxim> Greeny, I could translate for you in worst case 16:52:12 <Sacro> BiA|pavel-css: problem exists between keyboard and chair 16:52:18 <BiA|pavel-css> i know :) 16:52:27 <Greeny> where i can get it? ( unifont.grf) 16:52:29 <BiA|pavel-css> but thats where my problem come from too :) 16:52:42 <Sacro> Greeny: change "medium_font" to something that has russian chars 16:53:07 <Greeny> grr.... what name of config file or something? 16:54:00 <Sacro> openttd.cfg 16:54:08 <Greeny> dont have it 16:54:14 <Greeny> true 16:54:23 <BiA|pavel-css> Greeny: http://ttd.tycoonez.com/download.php?id=124 16:54:50 <Greeny> ok.. and in what folder i must put it? 16:54:52 <Greeny> :) 16:54:59 <BiA|pavel-css> yourottd/data 16:55:07 <Greeny> lets try... 16:55:12 <BiA|pavel-css> it wont work :) 16:55:16 * Sacro selects Ð ÑÑÑкОО 16:55:16 <BiA|pavel-css> atm 16:55:38 <Sacro> hm, how to get the i with the upside down & 16:55:41 <Sacro> ^ even 16:55:42 <Greeny> yes.. it wont work 16:55:44 <Greeny> so... 16:55:52 <Greeny> what about opentdd cfg? 16:55:56 <Greeny> where it located? 16:56:03 <SpComb> openttd.cfg 16:56:08 <BiA|pavel-css> add to "openttd.cfg" 16:56:09 <BiA|pavel-css> [newgrf-static] 16:56:09 <BiA|pavel-css> unifont.grf 16:56:10 <Sacro> hmm, why does PCM volume control not affect OpenTTD 16:56:15 <Sacro> under vista? 16:56:16 <SpComb> Sacro: it's special 16:56:19 <Sacro> errr... 16:56:30 <Sacro> Users/$Username/Application Data/Openttd? 16:56:31 <Greeny> where located openttd.cfg? 16:56:46 <BiA|pavel-css> near openttd.exe 16:56:56 <BiA|pavel-css> create it by your self 16:57:02 <Greeny> oh 16:57:14 <Sacro> DejaVu Sans Bold is qutie a nice font 16:57:30 * SpComb adds in IE7 compatibility 16:57:31 <Sacro> actually, we could bundle it with OpenTTD 16:57:39 <Sacro> Belugas: what are your thoughts on that? 16:58:13 <Sacro> but it only has cyrillics, not japanese 16:58:38 <BiA|pavel-css> Greeny: works? 16:58:45 <Greeny> no 16:58:46 <Greeny> :( 16:58:57 <Sacro> BiA|pavel-css: it creates it elsewhere 16:59:02 <hylje> is there an american newgrf 16:59:09 <Sacro> hylje: eh? 16:59:20 <BiA|pavel-css> Sacro: :o 17:00:05 <BiA|pavel-css> if htere is no openttd.cfg in your install it search in documents/OpenTTD/openttd.cfg 17:00:13 <Sacro> yes, possibly 17:00:42 <Belugas> [12:03] <Sacro> Belugas: what are your thoughts on that? 17:00:43 <Belugas> [ 17:00:45 <Belugas> on what? 17:01:06 <fjb> hylje: ussetw.grf usstatsw.grf ustowns.grf 17:01:27 <Sacro> Belugas: bundling dejavu sans with OpenTTD 17:02:02 *** Greeny [~Greeny@78-106-231-231.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:28 <Belugas> is it free? 17:02:32 <Sacro> yep 17:02:34 <Belugas> is it usefull? 17:02:39 <fjb> hylje: jcindstaw.grf NARoadsw.grf nabsw.GRF 17:02:45 <Sacro> yeah, it has cyrillic fonts 17:02:47 <Sacro> and looks nice 17:03:20 <hylje> fjb: :O thanks 17:03:22 <dihedral> :-P 17:03:32 <dihedral> heyho 17:03:42 * dihedral greets Belugas :-) 17:03:43 <hylje> i had the silly urge to mass F40PHs 17:03:52 <Belugas> hey dihedral 17:03:57 <Sacro> is there a way to specify font size? 17:04:08 <Belugas> dunno Sacro (about inclusion) 17:04:28 <fjb> hylje: They should be in the usset.grf. 17:05:20 <fjb> hylje: There are also some interesting canadian sets. 17:05:36 <Sacro> Belugas: mm, well tis free to distribute, you just have to accompany it with the licence 17:05:41 <hylje> fjb: :> great 17:07:27 <remaxim> sorry dudes... I decided not do music for OpenTTD in the near future! 17:07:37 <Sacro> :( 17:07:49 <Belugas> and I understand his reasons 17:08:12 <remaxim> as I told Belugas: "music is something that has to be included at last! Too many things can change in between time. maybe the graphic developers decide to make some graphics that doesn't fit the original style ... and that would need new music" 17:08:32 <fjb> hylje: http://www.myimg.de/?img=ArcticExpress12Nov19469d8d.png 17:09:15 <glx> <Sacro> is there a way to specify font size? <-- in openttd.cfg 17:09:16 <hylje> nice roads 17:10:12 <LordAzamath> a question for a wider range... 17:10:22 <fjb> That are the old roads. The change over time. 17:10:31 <LordAzamath> how many times do you have to install updates to linux daily 17:10:33 <LordAzamath> ? 17:10:34 <LordAzamath> :P 17:10:43 <LordAzamath> It's third time today 17:11:33 <Sacro> LordAzamath: once 17:11:39 <Sacro> otherwise it woudnl't be daily 17:11:43 <Sacro> it'd be hourly 17:11:45 * fjb doesn't use Linux, but updates his FreeBSD every few months. 17:11:54 <hylje> LordAzamath: one doesn't have to, but it could be handy 17:12:00 <LordAzamath> grrrrrrrrrr 17:12:09 *** Draagon [~chatzilla@88-196-99-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 17:12:13 <LordAzamath> you get what I meant... 17:12:17 <LordAzamath> hi draagon 17:12:27 <Draagon> hi 17:14:51 <fjb> hylje: This is how it is looking later: http://www.myimg.de/?img=ArcticExpress5Aug1984f641f.png 17:15:04 <fjb> Hi Draagon 17:20:06 <Sacro> we need moar servers 17:21:15 <fjb> We need better servers. 17:22:34 <BiA|pavel-css> We need better players on servers :) 17:22:46 <remaxim> Sacro, you talk like you're from bavaria 17:23:21 <fjb> Ok, yes, it is boring when you anter a game late and your company is best in no time. 17:23:27 <Sacro> remaxim: i might be 17:23:53 <BiA|pavel-css> fjb: exactly :) 17:24:19 <remaxim> Sacro, habedere ;) 17:24:22 <fjb> And it is even more anoying when you get kicked by an admin then. 17:24:46 <BiA|pavel-css> and hwat to do with money then? :) 17:24:49 <BiA|pavel-css> *what 17:25:05 <Sacro> remaxim: beg pardon? 17:25:18 <BiA|pavel-css> but atm i play just for good looking tarcks ... 17:25:21 <remaxim> OK, you're not! 17:25:24 <fjb> Just keep the money. You don't have to spend it. 17:25:29 <Sacro> i used to play online loads 17:25:34 <Sacro> but there are no decent UKRS servers 17:25:43 <Sacro> using nightlies/0.6.0-a2 17:25:52 <BiA|pavel-css> you cant loose money on trains since then i am making good looking tracjs ;) 17:26:00 <fjb> There other interesting grfs, too. 17:27:02 <fjb> You can even loose money on planes, when you buy the wrong type. 17:27:19 <BiA|pavel-css> :D 17:27:40 <Sacro> BiA|pavel-css: lose 17:27:42 <Sacro> fjb: lose 17:28:01 <fjb> Really? 17:28:07 <BiA|pavel-css> :) 17:28:15 *** Draagon [~chatzilla@88-196-99-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has left #openttd [] 17:29:11 <remaxim> Sacro, they listened to nelly furtado too much 17:29:53 <fjb> Who is that? 17:31:50 <Sacro> remaxim: lol 17:32:06 <remaxim> fjb, just a singer ... one of her albums is called loose 17:33:49 <hylje> http://englishrussia.com/?p=1676#more-1676 17:33:54 <hylje> newgrf plz 17:35:41 <ln-> w 17:36:17 <fjb> New rail type: Ship on rails. 17:38:54 <hylje> ln-: no u 17:44:27 <LordAzamath> rofl 17:44:41 <LordAzamath> maglev ships and monorail ships 17:51:09 *** Draagon [~chatzilla@88-196-99-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 17:51:13 <Draagon> does anyone know how do quick contact George? 17:53:36 <ln-> president@whitehouse.gov 17:53:41 <dihedral> LOL 17:53:49 * dihedral rofl's 17:53:54 <Draagon> his email=? 17:56:46 <fjb> Depends what George you are talking about... 17:56:51 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-145-215-69.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:57:13 <Draagon> the creator of ECS Vectors 17:57:38 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 17:58:56 <fjb> Hm, no that George does care more about the world wide war ans oil vectoers. 17:59:02 <fjb> and 17:59:10 <fjb> vectors 17:59:20 * fjb should learn to type. 17:59:32 <Draagon> lol! 18:01:34 *** Svish [~opera@host-85-30-130-97.sydskane.nu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:00 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 18:10:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:31 <Sacro> zolg 18:14:32 <Sacro> *zomg 18:14:38 <Sacro> OpenTTD is #369 on reddit 18:14:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.8.236.42] has joined #openttd 18:15:10 <Wolf01> hello 18:15:23 <gule> hello 18:15:54 <gule> can somebody tell me how to set default value to struct property, please 18:21:15 *** xintron [xintron@blinkenshell.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:22 <remaxim> ok guys! 18:21:30 <remaxim> have a nice time 18:21:30 <BiA|pavel-css> M 18:21:31 <remaxim> bye 18:21:33 <BiA|pavel-css> bye 18:21:36 *** remaxim [~remaxim@84.19.173.206] has left #openttd [] 18:21:38 <BiA|pavel-css> s/M/? 18:21:53 <Sacro> gule: constructer? 18:22:50 <gule> sacro: as in class? 18:23:31 <BiA|pavel-css> i guess yes 18:24:18 <gule> i ll try 18:24:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:25:06 *** Draagon [~chatzilla@88-196-99-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 18:25:50 *** xintron [xintron@blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 18:32:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:43 <gule> is this used anywhere in ottd code 18:36:02 <gule> i realy need an example 18:37:06 <Belugas> we have lots of those, gule 18:37:16 <Belugas> depends waht you are thinking about 18:37:37 <Wolf01> LeviathNL: any idea of how i should draw the rough land tiles? 18:38:03 <gule> how to define constructor to struct 18:38:42 <Belugas> gule, i read, but i don't understand :( 18:39:15 <Noldo> gule: struct == class 18:39:59 <gule> i want to add property tooltips_color to widget struct and i want that if you do not set this propery it is set to 0 18:40:01 <gule> a 18:40:22 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, maybe get some inspiration here: http://stores.ebay.com/FindMyBrick_Lego-Misc-Parts_Flowers-Nature_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ12QQftidZ2QQtZkm 18:40:39 <gule> like a default value 18:40:46 <Belugas> haaa... ok mhhhh... 18:40:50 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, something like http://i6.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/aa/2d/1f0f_2.JPG 18:41:14 <Belugas> i don't know if we have that in the code, gule. 18:41:34 <gule> i created widget() {tooltips_color = 0; } as constructor 18:41:44 <Wolf01> LeviathNL, carrots! i'll plant carrots everywhere! 18:42:03 <LeviathNL> :P 18:42:04 <gule> but i get an error everyhere widget is used as const 18:42:07 <gule> :( 18:47:08 <LeviathNL> who the hell is gonna pay for ONE lego brick? http://cgi.ebay.com/Lego-Brick-1x3-Radio-CD-Player-Pattern-RARE-NEW_W0QQitemZ170111855860QQihZ007QQcategoryZ19009QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem 18:49:05 <Wolf01> maybe the guy painted them by himself :P 18:50:41 <LeviathNL> you already have an idea what you're gonna draw? 18:51:17 <Wolf01> i'm drawing the city roads, waiting for an idea about the rough land :P 18:51:43 *** Draagon [~chatzilla@88-196-99-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 18:52:07 <Draagon> hi 18:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> rough land == place some 1x1 bricks on the tile? 18:52:41 <glx> or add cracks to the plate 18:53:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> rocks == place more (grey) bricks on the tile? 18:54:31 <LeviathNL> I like adding cracks to the plate 18:54:34 <hylje> rough land = smooth plate 18:55:21 <glx> @voice 18:55:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by DorpsGek 18:55:29 <LeviathNL> Maybe some missing studs 18:56:04 <LeviathNL> but i think you have to watch out it is not gonna look too tiled 19:04:55 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-33-209.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:11:15 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@86.160.171.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:48 *** Draagon [~chatzilla@88-196-99-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 19:35:02 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 19:39:40 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:40:15 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 19:40:17 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:24 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:40:28 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 19:45:59 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:53:28 *** byq [~gcichowsk@chello087206185045.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:53:33 *** byq [~gcichowsk@chello087206185045.chello.pl] has left #openttd [] 19:53:36 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 20:02:29 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 20:03:38 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A45DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:47 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:06:06 *** murr4y [murray@2001:618:400::9e27:7c67] has joined #openttd 20:08:46 <murr4y> so, i guess you guys are tired of people randomly joining and asking ignorant questions and demanding instant replies 20:10:42 <Belugas> hehhee 20:10:48 <Belugas> no, we get used to that :D 20:10:59 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:11:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:11:07 <murr4y> :) 20:11:35 <Bjarni> murr4y? 20:11:39 <Bjarni> nice to see you here 20:11:39 <murr4y> yep? 20:11:54 <Bjarni> how did you manage to find me this time? 20:12:12 <murr4y> uhm.. 20:12:29 <murr4y> small world i guess? :D 20:12:37 <Belugas> it's the smell, maybe! 20:12:38 <Belugas> lol 20:13:07 <murr4y> hehe :p 20:13:14 <Bjarni> yeah I smelled him so I signed in 20:13:43 <murr4y> so.. do i know you from somewhere? :p 20:13:53 <Sacro> we all know Bjarni 20:14:07 <Bjarni> <murr4y> so.. do i know you from somewhere? :p <-- I have no idea who you are :P 20:14:32 <murr4y> aah 20:14:43 <murr4y> so.. out of 87 nicks you managed to notice a newcomer? :p 20:14:44 <Sacro> Bjarni: you should do that to every new guy 20:14:54 <murr4y> must be a tight community :) 20:15:05 <BiA|pavel-css> :D 20:15:16 <Sacro> there are a few people that enter and never talk 20:15:22 * hylje randomly bumps into Sacro 20:15:44 <Bjarni> hylje: it's spelled "hump", not "bump" 20:15:55 <hylje> thats what you think, you sick .. 20:16:10 <Sacro> hylje: 3 dots in an ellipsis 20:16:26 <hylje> pedant 20:16:28 *** Farden [~jk3farden@workstation.freenull.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:44 <murr4y> lol 20:18:22 <Belugas> don't pay attention to them murr4y, they just are doing it to impress you 20:18:54 <BiA|pavel-css> and you want to impress him with your smell Belugas? :) 20:21:16 <Bjarni> murr4y: actually I was trying to make some statement that you would be Murray from Monkey Island 3, but I failed to find a good one 20:21:28 <Bjarni> none of my ideas were evil enough 20:23:48 * Belugas smells rotten fish 20:24:25 <Sacro> Belugas: +of 20:24:30 <BiA|pavel-css> it's you! :P 20:24:45 <Prof_Frink> What you say? 20:26:04 * Belugas smells like rotten fish 20:26:23 <Belugas> just to contradict Prof_Sacro 20:26:57 <Prof_Frink> Oi. 20:27:45 <Prof_Frink> Do I *look* Northern? 20:28:58 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: bloody southerner 20:29:13 *** gule [~Administr@tm.84.52.149.249.dc.cable.static.telemach.net] has left #openttd [] 20:29:36 <murr4y> ah, well, Bjarni you could've f.ex. asked me if i knew anything about lifting curses ;) 20:31:56 <Belugas> reboot t9ime bye 20:32:07 <Sacro> Bjarni places curses 20:34:24 <murr4y> lol 20:34:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:34:38 <murr4y> maybe he can place one on my compiler for me 20:36:46 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-24-161.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:40:23 <murr4y> anyway, to the reason i joined and the question i was slightly nervous to ask 20:40:40 <murr4y> how are we doing on the debian/ubuntu version of 0.6.0-beta2 ? :p 20:41:10 <LeviathNL> it is not to difficult to compile yourself 20:41:26 <murr4y> ah, well i tried, maybe you can help me 20:41:38 <murr4y> it compiled and all, but when i start it, it abruptly closes after about half a second 20:41:48 <murr4y> i can *just* hear the intro music before it shuts down 20:41:58 <LeviathNL> any messages in the terminal? 20:42:00 <Sacro> sudo apt-get install openttd 20:42:39 <LeviathNL> that will get you 0.52 20:42:43 <murr4y> LeviathNL: no, none :/ 20:42:43 <LeviathNL> *0.5.2 20:43:12 <murr4y> yeah, i want the new one because most of my friends have converted :p 20:43:27 <LeviathNL> any warning when compiling? 20:43:43 <murr4y> hmm, let me check 20:45:08 <LeviathNL> make | tee log.txt 20:45:12 <murr4y> i did get some zlib missing errors earlier, and installed zlib, and then it worked, suppose that's unrelated tho 20:46:12 <LeviathNL> do you have the original data files? 20:46:34 <LeviathNL> hmm should be since you hear the music 20:47:14 <murr4y> yeah i think so, same files i used for 0.5.3 20:47:34 <murr4y> checked log.txt now, no errors, warnings or notices or anything 20:47:50 <murr4y> just a list of compiled files 20:47:53 <LeviathNL> are you sure you only copied trg*.grf files and sample.cat? 20:48:41 <LeviathNL> are you still using your old .cfg file? 20:49:10 <murr4y> pretty sure of the copying yeah, + the gm folder 20:49:16 <murr4y> tho i can try again to make sure 20:49:28 <murr4y> about the old .cfg file, i don't know, i don't think so? 20:49:38 <murr4y> i removed 0.5.3 before installing the new one.. 20:49:48 <murr4y> dpkg --remove openttd 20:50:12 <murr4y> and did "./configure ; make && make install" in openttd 20:50:43 <Bjarni> <murr4y> ah, well, Bjarni you could've f.ex. asked me if i knew anything about lifting curses ;) <--- it had to be evil and funny at the same time. Lifting curses is nor evil or funny 20:51:06 <Bjarni> placing them is a lot more fun :D 20:51:18 <murr4y> haha 20:51:20 <Bjarni> why do you think Sacro acts the way he does? 20:51:30 <Bjarni> he wasn't always like this 20:51:32 <murr4y> well, it's funny if you remember his reply :) 20:51:47 <Bjarni> boo 20:51:50 <Bjarni> hahaha 20:52:33 <Bjarni> hmm 20:52:41 <Bjarni> I can't remember the one you are thinking about 20:52:48 <Sacro> me? 20:53:55 <SmatZ> me? 20:54:13 <murr4y> Oh i know alot about lifting curses. That's why I'm a talking disembodied skull, sitting on the top of a spike, in the middle of a swamp! 20:54:13 <fjb> murr4y: dpkg --remove openttd will usually not delete the .openttd directory in your home directory. So the old openttd.cfg will still be there. 20:54:14 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i59F7F3E0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:54:27 <Bjarni> SmatZ: I didn't curse you 20:54:28 <Bjarni> yet 20:54:56 <Bjarni> murr4y: right... now I remember :D 20:55:05 <murr4y> :D 20:55:14 <murr4y> fjb: ah, you're right, that folder+files is there 20:55:17 <murr4y> should i delete them? 20:55:22 <Bjarni> but it would be more evil if you actually knew how to do it and wouldn't tell Guybrush 20:55:25 <fjb> Just move them away. 20:55:44 <Bjarni> btw I read how he got his silly name 20:55:54 <Bjarni> before he got his name they called him guy 20:56:08 <Bjarni> and their paint app made .brush files 20:56:13 <Bjarni> so he was guy.brush 20:56:29 <Bjarni> and they kind of liked that name 20:57:33 <murr4y> haha yeah i heard that 20:57:49 <murr4y> do you guys have any similar cool developer stories for ottd? :p 20:57:58 <Sacro> we don't have cool devs 20:58:01 <Sacro> they all let 20:58:02 <Sacro> *left 20:58:17 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [I'm still here] 20:58:31 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:58:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: thus proving my point 20:58:49 <Bjarni> ohh... you said cool 20:58:53 <Sacro> coolest dev now is Belugas 20:58:53 <Bjarni> I read it as evil 20:59:17 *** remaxim [~remaxim@84.19.173.206] has joined #openttd 20:59:20 <fjb> Bjarni: What Sacro failed to express is that our developers are hot. 20:59:49 <Bjarni> Sacro considers everything with two legs hot 20:59:52 <Bjarni> or 4 21:00:02 <Bjarni> anyway 21:00:13 <Bjarni> <murr4y> do you guys have any similar cool developer stories for ottd? :p <-- there is this one 21:00:16 <Sacro> Bjarni: i've seen no pics of Devs 21:00:27 <Sacro> well 21:00:30 <Sacro> DarkVator had a pic 21:00:31 *** remaxim [~remaxim@84.19.173.206] has left #openttd [] 21:00:55 <LeviathNL> I once stumbled upon one of Belugas 21:00:57 <Bjarni> I joined a random server and took over a big company. Turned out that it was left for a while 21:01:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7E3FE.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:19 <Bjarni> so it was all steam 21:01:21 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-24-161.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 21:01:30 <Bjarni> I spent half an hour replacing them to electric 21:01:32 <Wolf01> a friend ask for a gp2x version of ottd, what i should answer? 21:01:40 <Wolf01> *official version 21:01:44 <Sacro> Wolf01: official? 21:01:44 <Bjarni> and I had still far to go and then I got bored 21:01:45 <Belugas> [16:04] <Sacro> coolest dev now is Belugas <--- sweet Sacro :D i forgive you 21:01:47 <Sacro> wait till i purchase mine 21:02:01 <murr4y> fjb: thanks, i tried and recompiled but it didn't seem to make any difference 21:02:17 <Bjarni> Wolf01: a gp2x version??? 21:02:23 <Bjarni> why would anybody want that??? 21:02:29 <Sacro> Bjarni: it has a touchscreen 21:02:32 <Sacro> and dual ARM cpu 21:02:50 <Sacro> Wolf01: zodttd did one 21:02:55 <Bjarni> murr4y: (story continued) so I left that game and started coding autoreplace 21:03:02 <Sacro> but AFAIK, he doesn't include GPL or source 21:03:14 <Wolf01> but he says that the unofficial version is crappy 21:03:15 <Sacro> could one of the cool devs (ie not Bjarni) get in touch about that 21:03:35 <Bjarni> so I coded autoreplace because some unknown guy left a big railroad company for years at some random server and then I picked the very same server and took over that company 21:04:03 <murr4y> no way 21:04:09 <murr4y> you're the guy who made it? 21:04:09 <Sacro> ya way 21:04:16 <Bjarni> it took a week to code 21:04:19 <Sacro> murr4y: no, i made it, Bjarni commited it 21:04:29 <Bjarni> and a year to clear out the serious bugs in it 21:04:33 <glx> and a year to cleanup and fix ;) 21:04:36 <murr4y> lol 21:04:50 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [CLAIM JUMPER!!!] 21:04:52 <glx> grr Bjarni was faster 21:05:13 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:05:13 <murr4y> anyway that's awesome 21:05:18 <Sacro> i need autojoin on kick 21:05:27 <fjb> Sacro: I made a pic of devs for you: http://www.myimg.de/?img=devs593e6.png 21:05:41 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: autorejoin leads to /kb 21:05:43 <Sacro> argh 21:05:44 <Sacro> konsole 21:05:55 <Prof_Frink> Yay! konsole! 21:06:12 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: /kb leads to /disco 21:06:13 <Prof_Frink> zonfsm, root shellen 21:06:38 <Prof_Frink> ^ is an m. Honest. 21:06:57 <Sacro> zomg, matching line lengths 21:07:18 <Sacro> i find that quite cooooool 21:07:21 <Prof_Frink> And so the conversation returns to xkcd 21:07:22 <Sacro> damn, faile dit 21:07:35 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: there should be a law about thata 21:08:02 <Prof_Frink> Randall's Law: All conversations must reference xkcd. 21:09:05 <fjb> murr4y: Does debian/ubuntu have something like trace or truss? 21:09:17 <Sacro> strace? 21:09:37 <murr4y> strace - trace system calls and signals 21:11:06 <BiA|pavel-css> gn 21:11:26 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 21:11:30 <fjb> Yes, that sounds good. Try "strace openttd" 21:12:03 <murr4y> oh shi- 21:12:03 <fjb> Maybe you must provide the full path to the openttd binary. 21:12:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-132-239.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:12:42 <murr4y> yeah, i got a lot of lines 21:12:46 <fjb> It gives a lot of output, but the interesting part are the lines at the end when openttd quits. 21:13:21 <LeviathNL> post the last lines here: http://paste.openttd.org/ 21:13:55 <murr4y> wow, openttd has its own pastebin :D 21:14:44 <Maedhros> we are just that good ;) 21:14:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's in the topic ;) 21:15:21 <murr4y> :> 21:15:25 <murr4y> http://paste.openttd.org/345 21:16:08 <murr4y> hope i don't give away anything that lets you guys hack me now 21:16:16 * Sacro starts hacking 21:17:06 <murr4y> ok my ip is 127.0.0.1, let's see you give your worst 21:17:57 <Sacro> yeah 21:18:02 <Sacro> and your password is hunter2 21:18:10 <murr4y> lol :D 21:18:22 <Bjarni> no 21:18:25 <Bjarni> that's not it 21:18:37 <Bjarni> I can't log in on 127.0.0.1 with hunter2 21:18:59 <Prof_Frink> The code is idspispopd 21:19:16 <Sacro> [21:19] <Prof_Frink:> The code is ********** 21:19:25 <hylje> my code is ********** 21:19:31 <Prof_Frink> Har har. 21:19:35 <Bjarni> my code is ******************* 21:19:37 <Sacro> murr4y: you have an ipv6 ip :( 21:19:40 <murr4y> my e-penis is ******************************************************* 21:19:53 <hylje> Sacro: s/\(/\)/ 21:20:00 <Sacro> hylje: sexy 21:20:03 <svippy> My IPv6 IP is ::1 21:20:05 <Bjarni> maybe if you are using a 7" monitor 21:20:21 <svippy> I am using a 4x3 resolution. 21:20:25 <Prof_Frink> I have a password: ****************************************************** 21:20:26 <Sacro> murr4y: it stretches all the way over your keyboard from A-Z 21:20:35 <svippy> This is my actual password: ************** 21:20:41 <svippy> Indeed, it is just asterisks. 21:20:49 <svippy> I hate all those machines trying to hide my password! 21:20:54 <svippy> Hey, it is actually asterisks! 21:20:56 <Prof_Frink> Well, OK, it's a passphrase not a password. 21:20:58 <svippy> >:O 21:21:44 <Maedhros> murr4y: what's the exit code when openttd finishes? (echo $? just after it exits) 21:21:50 <skidd13> Hey folks please stay on topic! And aside there might be children in here ;) 21:22:12 <murr4y> well.. nothing 21:22:14 <murr4y> murray@ubuntux:~/openttd-0.6.0-beta2/bin$ ./openttd 21:22:14 <murr4y> murray@ubuntux:~/openttd-0.6.0-beta2/bin$ 21:22:19 <Sacro> echo $? 21:22:24 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 21:22:41 <murr4y> oh and don't mock my hostname for lack of inventiveness 21:22:53 <Sacro> heh 21:22:59 <Prof_Frink> murr4y: At least you added an 'x' 21:23:01 <Maedhros> yeah, 'echo $?' is a command you need to type in, but only if openttd was the last thing you ran 21:23:08 <Bjarni> hehe... there was a video clip from an ambulance on TV right now. The patient was talking on a mobile phone and said that it's because she isn't wearing any panties and the ambulance worker is in the background with a "oh god" expression on his face 21:23:09 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, how are the paved streets going? 21:23:10 * Sacro is [ben@laptop] 21:23:33 <Sacro> Bjarni: frozen bits 21:23:35 <Wolf01> ehm.. i painted them with gray :P 21:23:45 <Prof_Frink> alan@frinkpad:~$ 21:23:48 <Prof_Frink> or 21:23:54 <Bjarni> Sacro: I don't think it was recorded today 21:23:54 <Wolf01> but they need more work 21:24:01 <Prof_Frink> alan@frinkserv:~$ 21:24:14 <Bjarni> heh 21:24:16 <Prof_Frink> or, indeed, alan@frinktop:~$ 21:24:17 <murr4y> Maedhros: ah! well, "echo $" just echoed a $. while "echo $$" echoed 13941 21:24:22 <Bjarni> now I managed to track down murr4y 21:24:31 <Prof_Frink> murr4y: No, "echo $?£ 21:24:33 <Maedhros> murr4y: the question mark is the important bit ;) 21:24:35 <Sacro> murr4y: "echo $?" 21:24:36 <Prof_Frink> murr4y: No, "echo $?" 21:24:39 <murr4y> oooo 21:24:40 <Bjarni> even though he is hiding behind an IPv6 21:24:41 <murr4y> lol 21:24:51 <Bjarni> murr4y: you are Danish 21:24:54 <murr4y> that gave 0 21:24:59 <murr4y> Bjarni: pretty close but try again ;) 21:24:59 <Sacro> oh noes, another dane 21:24:59 <Prof_Frink> success! 21:25:36 <Bjarni> Swedish? 21:25:45 <Maedhros> murr4y: is that after typing in the previous echo commands? $? gives you the exit state of the last program you ran, so if "echo" was the last program, you're bound to get 0 :) 21:25:46 <murr4y> no.. and now you're just guessing 21:26:01 <Sacro> murr4y: english 21:26:02 <Bjarni> actually I estimated it based on choice of words 21:26:15 <murr4y> Maedhros: yeah i did ./openttd _right_ before echo $? :) 21:26:40 <murr4y> Sacro not even close 21:26:41 <Maedhros> hmm. that's odd - openttd seems to be shutting down normally 21:26:42 <Sacro> murr4y: openttd; echo $? 21:26:49 <murr4y> yes 21:26:51 <murr4y> that gives 0 21:26:52 <Maedhros> strace shows it saving the config file and high score file too... 21:28:12 <Wolf01> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1197494266404.jpg lol 21:28:24 <hylje> lulz 21:28:33 <Sacro> Wolf01: hahaha XD 21:29:37 <fjb> :-) 21:29:38 <Bjarni> photoshop! 21:29:45 <murr4y> oh no, there are /b/tards even here :p 21:29:48 <Bjarni> those letters are added afterwards 21:29:54 <Sacro> murr4y: and b3tards 21:29:55 <Sacro> eh Prof_Frink 21:29:56 <Prof_Frink> murr4y: /b/tards and b3tards 21:30:05 <Prof_Frink> Great minds. 21:30:15 <Bjarni> where? 21:30:30 <Prof_Frink> Oh wait, patchbloke ain't here 21:30:32 * Sacro is a b3tard 21:31:04 <SmatZ> what, 4chan mainpage has changed 21:31:14 * Sacro goes on 1chan! 21:31:26 * Sacro is a /rail/tard 21:31:34 <Bjarni> 2chan is way better than 4chan 21:31:37 <Bjarni> but... 21:31:44 <Bjarni> there is a language barrier 21:31:50 <Sacro> http://www.1chan.net/rail/src/1197177254263.jpg 21:31:58 <Bjarni> still all the cool stuff comes from 4chan 21:32:03 <Sacro> Bjarni: fchan! 21:32:03 <Prof_Frink> "better than 4chan". Now that's damning with faint praise. 21:32:13 <svippy> :| 21:32:21 <svippy> That is like saying someone is better than crap. 21:32:42 <Bjarni> good point 21:33:07 <svippy> Also, good news, everyone! I ripped the keyboard out of my laptop. \o/ 21:33:24 *** Prof_Frink is now known as Prof_Farnsworth 21:33:29 <Prof_Farnsworth> Good news everyone! 21:33:42 <svippy> There is some really bad news on TV. 21:33:42 <glx> murr4y: ./openttd -d driver9 21:33:58 *** Prof_Farnsworth is now known as Prof_Frink 21:34:09 <svippy> Ah, Farnsworth. 21:34:17 <svippy> He has some of my favourite quotes. 21:34:25 <svippy> "Ah, to be young again... and also a robot." 21:34:37 <murr4y> glx: http://paste.openttd.org/346 21:34:40 <Bjarni> speaking of 2chan vs 4chan reminded me of this: http://duggmirror.com/comics_animation/Why_Americans_Shouldn_t_Cosplay/ 21:34:47 <Bjarni> only click it if you dare 21:35:12 <svippy> Too much American bias in that URL. 21:35:39 <Bjarni> I think you could say the same for Europe 21:36:02 <Bjarni> but I didn't really investigate that matter so I'm not saying that as a fact 21:36:07 <svippy> I apologies for nothing! 21:37:01 <Maedhros> "dbg: [driver] Successfully probed video driver 'null'" - not usually a good sign... 21:37:17 <Bjarni> svippy: are you cosplaying? 21:37:24 <svippy> NEVER! 21:37:28 * svippy looks up the definition. 21:37:29 <Bjarni> good 21:37:35 <Bjarni> hahaha 21:37:44 <svippy> Oh dear... 21:37:49 <svippy> Thank you, Wikipedia. 21:37:51 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: And you kicked me just for implying a goat. 21:37:52 <svippy> For terrifying me once more. 21:38:05 <Bjarni> I thought so too when I learned wtf it is 21:38:39 <svippy> And now I have learnt again how to be terrified. 21:38:43 <murr4y> Maedhros: sounds reasonable, maybe i need to specify the driver somewhere? 21:38:48 <glx> murr4y: no sound, no blitter, no video 21:38:56 * Prof_Frink looks at hello.jpg to clear his mind of what he just saw 21:39:02 <murr4y> and blitter.. and sound.. 21:39:42 <glx> I guess you compiled a dedicated only 21:39:45 <Bjarni> but I don't get this... a whole lot of people do it in Japan (where it started) and the idea is to just dress up and take pictures of them but those pictures are supposed to be kept secret because they fear being fired if their boss sees them 21:39:53 <Bjarni> then why do it? :) 21:40:00 <murr4y> glx: that's right, it said something about that when configuring 21:40:07 <svippy> It is Japan. 21:40:11 <svippy> They have nothing better to do. 21:40:15 <glx> murr4y: you need sdl-dev 21:40:16 <Bjarni> not true 21:40:21 <svippy> Huh? 21:40:24 <Prof_Frink> It's Japan. 21:40:28 <Prof_Frink> They're crazy. 21:40:29 <svippy> Exactly! 21:40:32 <Bjarni> that's true 21:40:33 <svippy> Prof_Frink gets it. 21:40:57 <Bjarni> well 21:41:16 <Bjarni> I guess it's better than doing nothing but drinking ãã 21:41:27 <svippy> Hm. 21:41:35 <svippy> I thought UTF-8 was mandatory in here. 21:41:42 <Bjarni> it is 21:41:45 <murr4y> glx: ah that's right! i assumed it would give a warning if it was missing 21:41:50 <svippy> Then what is wrong with your characters?! 21:42:00 <svippy> I am most certain I have mine set at UTF-8. 21:42:05 <Bjarni> they are UTF-8 encoded 21:42:06 <Maedhros> murr4y: unless you're planning on only running a server and not playing, you don't want to compile a dedicated server :) 21:42:24 <glx> svippy: they are utf8, but you may have a font problem 21:42:39 <murr4y> libsdl1.2-dev - Simple DirectMedia Layer development files <--- would that do it? 21:42:40 <Bjarni> glx: you can read what I wrote, right? 21:42:44 <svippy> Unpossible, glx, my font should support them all. 21:42:51 <svippy> Can you attempt to say it again, Bjarni? 21:43:02 <glx> <@Bjarni> I guess it's better than doing nothing but drinking ãã 21:43:05 <svippy> Ah. 21:43:07 <svippy> Now it worked. 21:43:09 * Bjarni attempts to say ãã 21:43:13 <svippy> Yes yes. 21:43:17 <Bjarni> ãããn 21:43:22 <Bjarni> oops 21:43:22 <svippy> Apparently Xchat fails at remembering. 21:43:29 <Bjarni> *again 21:43:35 <glx> murr4y: yes 21:43:43 <Bjarni> writing with the correct keyboard layout usually helps :) 21:43:51 * Maedhros curses either irssi or screen for not showing utf-8 properly 21:43:52 <svippy> ××××× ×§×ס׀××× 21:43:56 <svippy> Hax at Hebrew! 21:44:07 <Belugas> [16:48] <+glx> <@Bjarni> I guess it's better than doing nothing but drinking <--- I Agree and I drink to that! 21:44:42 <svippy> You are also French... Canadian. 21:44:56 <Bjarni> Belugas: will you join me for a glass of ã¿ã? 21:45:14 <Belugas> if only i could decipher the signs lol! 21:46:15 <svippy> ! 21:46:21 <svippy> How is Canada doing? 21:46:38 <Rubidium> better than the US 21:46:45 <Belugas> drinking and partying :D 21:46:47 <Bjarni> <Belugas> if only i could decipher the signs lol! <-- this makes it even more interesting to try.... surprise drink :D 21:47:03 <Belugas> true 21:47:16 <Belugas> now... see you, i have a party waiting for me ! 21:47:31 * glx needs to learn kana 21:47:37 <Bjarni> but they don't server ã¿ã... 21:47:41 <Bjarni> *serve 21:47:53 <Rubidium> not seeing? 21:48:02 <glx> mizu (thanks to the online converter) 21:48:18 <Bjarni> cheater :P 21:48:28 <murr4y> guys, thanks so much for your help 21:48:32 * Rubidium likes "not seeing" better ;) 21:48:32 <murr4y> i made it work now :) :) 21:48:34 * Bjarni only tried the online converter... to try it 21:49:09 <Bjarni> glx: next thing... do you know what it is without looking it up? :) 21:49:16 <skidd13> Bjarni: How often do I have to remind you using english... ;) 21:49:17 <glx> yes 21:49:29 <Bjarni> hint: a whole lot of people drink it very often in Japan 21:50:39 <Bjarni> skidd13: feeling left out? 21:51:05 <Rubidium> rice wine 21:51:17 * skidd13 slaps Bjarni 21:51:28 <Rubidium> or canned coffee 21:51:31 <skidd13> Bjarni: be serious 21:51:43 <Bjarni> it's cold drinking water :P 21:53:07 <Bjarni> and to honour English in here ãããis sake... some kind of beer that's stored kind of like wine so it's a fine beer 21:53:23 <Bjarni> I think that covers every foreign word I used tonight 21:55:00 <LeviathNL> sake = rice wine is it not? 21:55:18 <glx> it is IIRC 21:55:35 <Rubidium> Bjarni: sake is no beer 21:55:43 <LeviathNL> wikipedia agrees 21:56:11 <Bjarni> Sake is also commonly referred to in English as "rice wine", but the characterisation implied is not accurate. <-- from wikipedia 21:56:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r11626 /trunk/src/ (main_gui.cpp misc_cmd.cpp openttd.cpp): -Fix [FS#1529]: Pause state wasn't set correctly in multiplayer saves 21:56:26 <Bjarni> well... to me it's sake anyway XD 21:56:39 <Bjarni> or even ãã 21:56:48 <glx> sake is used for any alcohol anyway 21:58:34 <Rubidium> hmm, sake isn't even wine ;) 21:58:52 <Bjarni> I just said that 21:59:04 <Bjarni> http://www.1chan.net/rail/src/1197184700687.jpg <-- o_O..... steam tan 22:00:49 <Rubidium> @op 22:00:56 <Rubidium> stupid bot... 22:01:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 22:02:30 <glx> Rubidium: I have no problem with this bot 22:02:37 <Rubidium> @deop 22:02:56 *** mode/#openttd [-o Rubidium] by Rubidium 22:03:07 <murr4y> @kickban all 22:03:12 <murr4y> hmm 22:03:14 <Rubidium> ah well, there are more than one way that lead to Rome 22:05:30 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:56 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A45DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt] 22:09:53 *** dev|ant [~dev_ant@ains-202-126-98-12.ains.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> <murr4y> @kickban all <- you can do that easily, it's called "/part" 22:10:28 <murr4y> /part 22:10:35 <murr4y> hmm 22:11:20 <dihedral> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/test.php ottd server banners... :-) 22:13:34 <fjb> dihedral: Who do you want to ban with that? 22:13:34 <dihedral> du hirsch - des is net zum bannen sondern ein banner 22:13:34 * dihedral apologizes for using an odd languge :-P 22:13:34 <dihedral> *language 22:13:34 <fjb> Could somebody kick dihedral for not using english? 22:13:34 <fjb> :-P 22:14:02 <fjb> And what does a banner do when not banning? 22:14:15 * dihedral slaps fjb 22:14:15 <Sacro> fjb: advertises 22:14:30 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6E54.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 22:14:45 <fjb> Then it should be an advertiser. 22:14:49 * dihedral takes a white marker pen and writes 'dihedrals slap' in the red mark on fjb's face 22:14:54 <dihedral> that's a 'banner' :-D 22:15:11 <Sacro> dihedral: a white marker pen?? 22:15:53 <dihedral> http://www.edding.de/images/layout/8050_AS3_140.jpg 22:16:26 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6E54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:44 <murr4y> i thought the banner was cool dihedral :) 22:16:54 <dihedral> thx 22:17:02 <dihedral> still working on it 22:17:07 <dihedral> but not now 22:17:11 <dihedral> i shall go to bed now 22:17:29 <dihedral> good night 22:17:31 <fjb> The banner was dihedral? What happened to him? And who is using his name here? 22:17:43 <fjb> Ok, the kids got o bed. 22:17:43 <murr4y> night :) 22:17:55 <dihedral> could someone kick fjb for being blatantly stupid? 22:17:58 <dihedral> :-P 22:18:04 <murr4y> lol 22:22:25 <murr4y> what happened to this channel 22:22:26 <murr4y> everyone is so hostile 22:22:26 <fjb> Good night dihedral, sleep well. 22:22:26 <dihedral> :-P 22:22:26 <dihedral> night 22:22:26 <fjb> murr4y: They fear Bjarni's kicks. 22:22:26 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-33-209.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:26 <murr4y> so they need to be evil, as he is? 22:22:26 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-33-209.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:22:26 <Prof_Frink> murr4y: We're not f'ing hostile. 22:22:26 <murr4y> k sry :( 22:22:26 <Wolf01> 'night 22:22:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.8.236.42] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:22:26 <Bjarni> <fjb> murr4y: They fear Bjarni's kicks. <-- damn you are so stupid 22:22:26 <Bjarni> I'm not kicking anybody while I'm not reading the channel 22:22:26 <Bjarni> hmm 22:22:26 <Bjarni> maybe I should :P 22:22:26 <fjb> Bjarni: Ok, I should have said "evil kicks". better? 22:22:26 <Bjarni> but that's a murr4y thing 22:22:48 <Bjarni> I'm not that evil 22:23:01 <fjb> Hm, lovely kickS? 22:23:01 <Bjarni> muhahaha 22:23:22 <fjb> Oh, oh... 22:23:51 <murr4y> muaahahhahahhahark*hark* *coff* *ahem* 22:24:26 <fjb> coff? Elf is better. 22:24:43 <Sacro> i prefer a.out 22:26:04 <Prof_Frink> a.ugust 22:26:28 <fjb> a.ha 22:27:02 <glx> there's a easy way to get kicked, you just need to type the right thing ;) 22:27:08 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-226-131.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:46 <Sacro> glx: i know 22:28:15 <murr4y> demonstrate! 22:28:37 <Sacro> heh 22:28:42 <Sacro> i can think of several 22:29:05 <fjb> murr4y: What is the result when you take an ! and prepend password to it? 22:29:19 <Sacro> password! 22:29:32 <fjb> Oh, sorry, append. 22:29:34 <Prof_Frink> failjb. 22:29:37 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-145-215-69.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:29:46 <murr4y> yeah i was thinking "not password" here 22:30:00 *** orudge [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 22:30:31 <fjb> murr4y: But what string is the result? Not the possible meaning of it. 22:30:53 <Prof_Frink> also, `/exec -o yes` is a good way to leave a channel 22:31:22 <Sacro> /exec :(){ :|:& };: 22:31:37 <Prof_Frink> A smiley. How cute. 22:31:55 <Prof_Frink> That can't possibly be dangerous. 22:32:54 <murr4y> hmm, fjb obviously wants me to type "!password" 22:33:01 <murr4y> i can't imagine what it would do tho 22:33:13 <Sacro> !password 22:33:13 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 22:33:19 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:33:20 <Prof_Frink> pwnt. 22:33:23 <murr4y> rofl 22:33:23 <Sacro> oh yes... that 22:33:26 <Sacro> i forgot 22:33:28 <fjb> It answers one of your questions. 22:34:21 <Sacro> yes 22:34:25 <Sacro> but i have a lot of questions 22:34:53 *** TallOak [~cjfd3@furry.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:34:54 <fjb> One of murr4y's questions. 22:35:06 <TallOak> Haldo. 22:35:15 <murr4y> ah 22:35:20 <murr4y> nice one ;) 22:35:24 <fjb> Moin TallOak 22:36:14 <Sacro> zomg 22:36:16 <Sacro> she's 42 22:36:19 <Sacro> err... 22:36:23 <Sacro> wrong window 22:36:27 <fjb> :-) 22:36:29 <Prof_Frink> She was 48 a moment ago! 22:36:39 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: this is another one 22:36:42 <Sacro> you should switch on e4 22:36:48 <fjb> Maybe she will be 23 next time. 22:36:58 <murr4y> the answer is 42! 22:37:00 <TallOak> Is there anyone that might be decent to chatter to about an idea for the wiki? 22:37:15 *** orudge [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 22:37:24 <Sacro> zomg, who invited him 22:37:26 <orudge> zomg it's you 22:37:26 <Sacro> he smells funny 22:37:33 <fjb> Oh, orudge heard your request. 22:37:37 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:39 <orudge> my request? 22:37:51 <Sacro> you're request? 22:38:07 <fjb> No, somebody wanted to talk about the wiki. 22:38:12 <TallOak> Oh, yeah, me 22:38:41 * orudge is still somewhat confused 22:38:44 <orudge> where do I fit into anything? :p 22:38:58 <murr4y> 23:37 < TallOak> Is there anyone that might be decent to chatter to about an idea for the wiki? 22:39:00 <fjb> Or are you only responsible for the forum? 22:39:01 <murr4y> 23:37 -!- orudge [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 22:39:01 <murr4y> it was like magic 22:39:16 <orudge> fjb: well 22:39:28 <orudge> ah, wait, the wiki is hosted in Hungary actually 22:39:37 <orudge> by whoever it was who contributes our hosting there 22:39:41 * orudge cannot remember the name :s 22:39:52 <Sacro> orudge: Truelight? 22:39:57 <Rubidium> Mr. Ban 22:39:57 <orudge> MiHaMiX 22:39:59 <orudge> that's the one 22:40:00 <orudge> Sacro: no 22:40:05 <Sacro> ah 22:40:06 <orudge> TrueLight hosts the other stuff 22:40:07 <fjb> Sorry, I thougt you were the right guy for the job. 22:40:09 <Sacro> yes, MiHaMiX 22:40:13 <orudge> although I may be taking over that responsibility soon 22:40:39 <orudge> fjb: depends what the job is ;) 22:40:43 <TallOak> Honestly, I haven't a clue. But I has a nice picture that might go onto the Junctions page, if anyone wants it. 22:41:07 <fjb> orudge: That's you job. :-) 22:42:16 <Sacro> TallOak: sign up and put it there 22:44:01 <TallOak> 'Kay. I'm really mentioning it here so I don't mess up things that don't belong to me. 22:53:26 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:54:50 <murr4y> ok that was really wierd 22:55:12 <murr4y> it was like a pigfarm in here 22:55:22 <murr4y> with mocking and shit-tossing and kicking 22:55:43 <murr4y> and suddenly the god orudge joins, and everyone settles down like if the teacher has entered the classroom 22:56:00 <orudge> I was always here, you know 22:56:05 <orudge> I just had to reboot :P 22:56:45 <murr4y> damn you're right 22:57:52 <murr4y> by the way, nice to finally "meet" you :p 22:57:56 <murr4y> i love your tycoon site 22:58:04 <Prof_Frink> orudge: Why do you not proxy/bouncybouncy to oftc? 23:02:24 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.220] has joined #openttd 23:02:27 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 23:02:34 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-198-98.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:02:53 <orudge> Prof_Frink: trying to set up multiple connections to the bouncer to different servers in mIRC tends to confuse it. Or at least, if it doesn't confuse it, it confusse me 23:02:55 <orudge> *confuses 23:03:03 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 23:05:07 <UnderBuilder> I have an openttd new name idea: transport masters 23:05:51 <UnderBuilder> and we can create a series of free soft simulation games ended in * masters 23:06:02 <UnderBuilder> for example city masters for opencity 23:07:06 <orudge> Transport Master? 23:07:12 <orudge> that was something I came up with yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeears ago 23:07:25 <orudge> Transport Empire was going to be called Transport Master at first :P 23:07:25 <SmatZ> lol 23:07:30 <orudge> http://wiki.allegro.cc/Pixelate:Issue_1/Transport_Master 23:07:38 <orudge> excuse the formatting, whoever converted it into the wiki made a mess of it 23:07:44 <orudge> and the screenshots went missing 23:07:52 <orudge> anyway, my original Transport Master went nowhere 23:08:08 <orudge> it was more me buggering about with things 23:08:12 <orudge> that, and it was written in Visual Basic :P 23:09:34 <UnderBuilder> my concept is this: there are simulation games series like sim* , * tycoon and theme *, why not do something similar in free and open source games? 23:10:29 <SmatZ> UnderBuilder: there are Open* games 23:24:32 <murr4y> http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/ 23:26:18 <murr4y> only 4 f*cks in the ottd source so far :> 23:26:24 <SmatZ> really? 23:26:45 <murr4y> that i could find with grep at least 23:27:12 <SmatZ> three of them in the AI code 23:27:54 <murr4y> hehehe ^^ 23:28:19 <fjb> Penguin ist the best amoung the words... :-) 23:32:07 <svippy> Huh? 23:33:38 <fjb> Oh, the FreeBSD source has "fuck" only in contributed GNU source and in the fortune file. 23:34:19 <fjb> So no original BSD fuck. 23:34:53 <murr4y> wouldn't trust that then 23:35:04 <murr4y> that just means they haven't encountered the bugs and problems yet 23:35:12 <fjb> Yeah, never trust the GNU people. :-) 23:35:30 <fjb> FreeBSD really runs without problems. 23:36:35 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:35 <fjb> But words like "fuck" really don't belong to sorce coments. 23:37:06 <murr4y> ok, i never tried it so i can't really have much of an opinion 23:37:10 <TallOak> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/8_way_Star_Junction :-) 23:39:09 <fjb> Hm, only usefull in flat desert. or after an earthquake maybe. 23:39:22 <TallOak> Yeah, it's enormous. 23:39:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:28 <TallOak> My only query is how to link to it in other places. I can't seem to get access to the junctions menu. 23:45:09 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6E54.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 23:45:43 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6E54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:50:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:53:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Trains have to turn right to go left." <-- err, where exactly? 23:54:48 <UnderBuilder> in what server are the best openttd players (openttdcoop doesn't count) 23:59:03 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: Try to go from one entry to the left exit next to it.