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00:00:08 <_Ben_> cheers for the help anyway guys 00:00:18 <DeGhost> oh 00:00:21 <DeGhost> i mess the not 00:00:23 <DeGhost> lol 00:00:27 <DeGhost> i saw going to russia 00:00:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:00:44 <Bjarni> well.... I'm not 00:00:47 <Bjarni> now you know ;) 00:00:57 <Gonozal_VIII> me neither 00:01:11 <Gonozal_VIII> who else doesn't go to russia? 00:01:45 <Gonozal_VIII> let's make a poll 00:02:52 <DeGhost> lol 00:02:59 <Bjarni> which of the following countries aren't you going to visit within the next 6 months (multiple selections allowed) 00:03:00 <DeGhost> indeed 00:03:03 <DeGhost> !poll 00:03:04 <Bjarni> Russia 00:03:09 <Bjarni> Iraq 00:03:10 <DeGhost> estonia 00:03:14 <DeGhost> iran 00:03:20 <DeGhost> greenland 00:03:21 <Bjarni> Mars 00:03:22 <DeGhost> anartica 00:03:25 <_Ben_> England 00:03:28 <Gonozal_VIII> Toyland 00:03:35 <DeGhost> lol i was gonna say toylany 00:03:37 <DeGhost> land* 00:03:43 *** divoafx [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 00:03:49 <DeGhost> africa? 00:03:55 <Bjarni> Earth 00:04:14 <Bjarni> personally I'm not going to visit Earth 00:04:17 <DeGhost> that's not a country 00:04:20 <Gonozal_VIII> earth? nooo that's an awfully ugly place 00:04:32 <Bjarni> damn.... I live there 00:04:37 <Bjarni> :( 00:04:53 <Gonozal_VIII> poor you 00:05:50 *** vispillo [~vispillo@p54898B23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:06:08 <Bjarni> err.... one place you shouldn't visit is bash.org 00:06:09 <Bjarni> <myles> i wonder if i talk to my marijuana it will make it grow faster 00:06:20 <Bjarni> you could end up being like myles 00:06:30 <Bjarni> and then be perm banned in here 00:06:48 <Gonozal_VIII> it will... because plants like co2 00:06:57 <Bjarni> lol 00:07:12 <Roujin> so you tried talking to your marijuana, gonozal? ;) 00:07:13 <Bjarni> I don't think he realised it that way 00:07:57 <Bjarni> well... the last person to show pictures of his weed production (and claiming that it was ok) ended up getting banned 00:07:59 <Wolf01> Roujin, do you read the suggestion i wrote in the forum about the terraform patch? 00:08:09 * Bjarni wonders if he is still banned 00:08:28 <Bjarni> looks like it 00:08:41 <Bjarni> at least I banned somebody who is still banned 00:09:01 <Bjarni> the banlist should be able to take notes so you could remember the banning reason 00:09:39 <vispillo> hm. this may be a stupid question - but somehow i'm not receiving any income from my trains in openttd (v. 0.5.3). they're running as they should and i can see the revenue they generate when they reach a station, but it never shows up in the bank account or the income statement 00:09:54 <vispillo> (or am i just missing something really obvious?) 00:10:08 <Wolf01> transfer? 00:10:13 <Bjarni> don't use transfer on the final destination 00:10:23 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe, people keep doing that 00:10:34 <vispillo> hmhm. ok, i'll double check. thanks 00:10:37 <Wolf01> that feature should be banned until fully functional 00:10:48 <Bjarni> yeah 00:10:48 <Gonozal_VIII> it is fully functional 00:10:52 <Bjarni> or at least worked at 00:11:16 <Wolf01> it's not, because to be fully functional it needs cargo destination 00:11:17 <Bjarni> that feature should be disabled until it's usable and people understand how to use it 00:11:35 <Bjarni> with cargo destinations you will not need it 00:11:44 <Gonozal_VIII> how should people learn how it works if it's not there? 00:12:04 <Gonozal_VIII> and what's not usable with it? 00:12:11 <Gonozal_VIII> i use it a lot without problems 00:12:17 <Bjarni> o_O 00:12:25 <Bjarni> wicked 00:12:30 <Bjarni> it tends to fuck up 00:12:34 <Bjarni> it's pretty unstable 00:12:35 <Gonozal_VIII> where when? 00:12:42 <Wolf01> the only thing i understood about it is: A(load)->B1(transfer and leave empty):B2(load)->C 00:12:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> transfer is great, when you know how to use it 00:12:50 <Bjarni> not crashing unstable but it can produce weird results in the game 00:13:12 <Gonozal_VIII> you can produce weird results with almost anything 00:13:20 <Gonozal_VIII> you just have to use it the right way 00:13:52 <Bjarni> transfer is good for moving cargo between road and rail like from a forest in a location swallowed by a town so the train station can't get close enough 00:14:18 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... and you want to disable it? baa 00:14:18 <Gonozal_VIII> d 00:14:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> i use transfer to get a small cycle at the origin, to get good ratings, and then load everything into bigger trains to get to the target 00:14:46 <Gonozal_VIII> or small feeder trains to a large long train 00:15:04 <Roujin> Wolf01: i am currently switching between coding, forums, openTTD and IRC so sorry for not answering instantly :D 00:15:16 <Wolf01> np 00:15:25 <Wolf01> only to inform you ;) 00:15:34 <Bjarni> Roujin: skip forums, OpenTTD and IRC and we will be happy :) 00:15:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think my next game will be lots of industries with low output 00:15:35 <Gonozal_VIII> or to get stuff across an ocean when you don't want to build strange bridge constructs 00:15:53 <Wolf01> Bjarni, and so how he can gather suggestions? 00:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> problem is, there are too many 2nd level industries compared to 1st level 00:16:08 <Gonozal_VIII> yes lots of industries with low output... that sounds good 00:16:19 <Bjarni> Wolf01: I meant right now not in general. Right now I presume he knows what to code 00:16:46 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:16:50 <Roujin> well forums == OpenTTD Development forum, OpenTTD == testing stuff from coding, IRC == OpenTTD channel 00:16:54 <Roujin> so... well ^^ 00:17:24 <Roujin> ahm yes i read it wolf01.. currently posting something 00:17:47 <Roujin> i don't like the idea of going down to negative numbers tho.. sounds somewhat unprofessional to me oO 00:18:33 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493DDD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:19:12 <Wolf01> you can always shift the numbers to positive, the negative means only the size of the brush 00:19:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11771 /trunk/src/ (16 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: split settings.h into better separated headers. 00:21:12 <Roujin> yes but i also mean gui-wise 00:21:48 <Roujin> i'd rather have a boolean button somewhere 00:22:22 <Roujin> or, alternatively, have this only in in scenario editor 00:24:09 <Roujin> well that's all dreaming of the future for now, first i gotta fix the existing stuff.. 00:24:10 <Wolf01> no, what i meant, when you have size = 1, you click again the left arrow to decrease the size and the grid of dots in the gui turns from white to blueish, if you keep pressing "decrease size" the brush enlarges like if is normal, but blueish means that it has different function 00:24:43 <Wolf01> in normal game... eh, ctrl? 00:24:44 <Roujin> i think i did understand you 00:25:01 <Roujin> but i dont like this.. clicking "decrease" to increase brush size? 00:25:15 <Roujin> i don't think its a good sort of doing things.. 00:25:19 <Wolf01> is like mirroring it 00:27:38 <Roujin> well for now i've got other issues.. you ever tried to cost estimate a land leveling? and then actually did it and payed attention to the costs? 00:28:33 <Roujin> estimated cost: 4725 actual cost 4050 (i did that just now) 00:28:49 <Wolf01> i tried to estimate the purchase land cost when i made the draggable purchase land... 00:30:05 <Wolf01> maybe the estimated cost are right, but the actual cost is size-1 00:30:05 <Roujin> sorry, but purchase land can never be as hard to estimate as level land.. because level land can go over multiple levels 00:31:01 <Roujin> i have to rewrite the way level land works completely to fix it :P 00:31:20 <Wolf01> eheh, try to do it in miniIN where you must take count also of the distance of a city :P 00:31:48 <Roujin> that wouldn't be so much harder, really :P 00:31:57 <Rubidium> Roujin: you can't estimate the cost of landleveling, unless you basically clone the map and perform actions on that and then revert it again 00:32:31 <Gonozal_VIII> or change the cost calculation 00:32:57 <Gonozal_VIII> in a way that it's more expensive to change a lot at once 00:33:33 <Roujin> hmm i was thinking i could do it if i change the area terraforming to work bottom-up instead of recursively 00:35:20 <Roujin> meaning i find the lowest level on my area that has to be raised, do all these first, then the second lowest level... 00:36:05 <Wolf01> i think that is why chris didn't put the sizable terraforming tool in game, but only in editor where costs don't exist 00:37:24 <Gonozal_VIII> normal terraforming costs are also off 00:37:52 <Gonozal_VIII> most estimations are wrong^^ 00:38:31 <Wolf01> so... don't lose time to fix them, continue with your patch XD 00:40:00 <Wolf01> i hope you'll remember my suggestion to make mountains with mouse up/down+left pressed 00:40:12 <Roujin> no promises :P 00:40:30 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:41:06 <Wolf01> good morning roboboy 00:42:37 <Bjarni> good night 00:42:44 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:42:55 <Wolf01> "morning"... is about lunch time 00:43:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11772 /trunk/src/ (date.cpp stdafx.h): -Change: add some extra checking in the hope to find the cause of FS#1335 00:43:34 <Wolf01> ok, i need to sleep now 00:43:36 <Wolf01> 'night 00:43:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host45-58-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:43:47 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5E41F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:45:10 <roboboy> gmorning 00:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11773 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: move some non-clear-land functions from clear_cmd.cpp to a more correct location. 00:48:41 <Roujin> oh oh 00:49:08 <Roujin> this means synching for me ^^ 00:49:12 <Arbitrary> 3 unresolved externals? :) 00:50:07 <Arbitrary> ah - probably just not added to the project, duh 00:50:29 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D90A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:55:42 *** Zothar [~Zothar@ppp-70-242-202-109.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 00:57:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11774 /trunk/ (33 files in 6 dirs): -Change: do not include variables.h in a header when it is not needed. 00:58:21 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D6E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:01:07 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:01:07 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:17 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-046-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:45 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.9] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 01:05:18 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5E41F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:03 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:59 <Sacro> http://www.jmupton2000.freeuk.com/deathtrain.jpg <- spot the problem 01:10:04 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a340-0253.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 01:10:46 <Gonozal_VIII> the lighting is wrong 01:11:08 <Gonozal_VIII> and that's not a default sprite angle 01:11:59 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5F5DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:14:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:15:27 <Gonozal_VIII> soooo... what's wrong? 01:17:43 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D6E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:50 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-148-94.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:44 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: the livery 01:20:12 <Gonozal_VIII> O_o 01:20:54 <Gonozal_VIII> do you see some different picture there? 01:24:50 <Roujin> don't you spot it gonozal? 01:25:09 <Gonozal_VIII> no... what? 01:25:11 <Roujin> it has dark-dark livery :P 01:25:23 <Gonozal_VIII> wow! 01:25:50 <Gonozal_VIII> there's no third light on top... 01:28:02 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess they don't have to have that anymore... 01:28:10 <Gonozal_VIII> or never had to :S 01:28:23 <Gonozal_VIII> but really... what's wrong with that stupid train? 01:28:25 <Sacro> hsh 01:28:27 <Sacro> *heh 01:28:32 <Sacro> tis a Network South East 01:28:36 <Sacro> usually found south of London 01:28:40 <Sacro> but north of the Channel 01:29:45 <Gonozal_VIII> i guessed that it was a british train because the front looks yellowish 01:30:27 <Gonozal_VIII> buuuut what's wrong? 01:30:50 <Sacro> what the hell would it be doing in munich? 01:30:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77CF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:31:04 <Gonozal_VIII> http://stephenrees.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/365534-kings-cross-suburban-2005_1129.jpg 01:31:35 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe some rich guy in munich bought it or something 01:32:17 <Gonozal_VIII> why is that picture caled deathtrain? 01:32:20 <Gonozal_VIII> l 01:32:28 <Sacro> tis from a film 01:36:22 *** asjfhsafhskgfdsk [~Gonozal_V@N750P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:36:22 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest2348 01:36:22 *** Guest2348 is now known as Guest2349 01:36:22 *** asjfhsafhskgfdsk is now known as Gonozal_VIII 01:37:18 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76381.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:22 *** Guest2349 [~Gonozal_V@N851P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:43:00 <Roujin> ok turns out i had a completely wrong impression of what's regarded as "x" in openttd o_O 01:43:21 <Gonozal_VIII> x? 01:43:55 <Roujin> x... like in x coordinate 01:44:07 <Gonozal_VIII> ah 01:44:27 <Gonozal_VIII> that's the one that's not y 01:44:37 <Roujin> appearently it is lower left O_O 01:44:54 <Sacro> Roujin: always is 01:44:57 <Roujin> while y is lower right... is that correct? 01:45:37 <Gonozal_VIII> use the ? tool and check coordinates of a corner :-) 01:46:00 <Roujin> that seems to be a clever idea 01:47:07 <Roujin> well why make it easy if you can make it complicated? :D i hacked something in the code and compiled it to see the difference in behavior and thus understand what is x and what is y xD 01:47:22 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 01:53:31 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:00:23 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:00:23 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:08:14 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5E6A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:12:48 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15:05 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5F5DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:21:56 <Roujin> lol 02:22:42 <Roujin> i actually just have to create a diff and look at it to get an overview myself what i actually changed in my working copy 02:23:17 <Roujin> actually the last sentence has too many actuallys i actually noticed 02:23:30 <Gonozal_VIII> you're actually right 02:23:31 <Roujin> :P 02:24:34 <Roujin> heh 02:24:53 <Roujin> in one file i seemingly added one blank line. xD 02:25:19 <Gonozal_VIII> wow 02:25:20 <Roujin> what a great improvement xD 02:25:44 <Gonozal_VIII> that's space for new features! 02:25:57 <Roujin> lol yeah 02:26:07 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:26:54 <Roujin> but i guess the devs would complain and mumble something about "coding style" if one would post a patch that introduces a whole new feature while only using one line :D :D 02:27:33 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 02:27:52 <Roujin> hmm 02:27:52 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not the whole space for the new feature, only the first line.. but still helping^^ 02:28:30 <Gonozal_VIII> one char less to append :-) 02:28:38 <Roujin> on a completely different note, what do you think about the leveling tool getting the sound that raise and lower has? 02:28:56 <Gonozal_VIII> i never play with sounds 02:29:04 <Roujin> i never understood why they gave it the exploding sound... 02:29:13 <Roujin> oh ^^ ok, wrong person to ask :P 02:29:33 <Roujin> then i ask this question openly to everyone lurking around :P 02:30:01 <Gonozal_VIII> tststs... 2nd hand questions 02:30:16 <Roujin> xD 02:45:17 *** Sidious-Sither [~123@0x5550a029.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:53:33 *** s3mt3x [~dfddf@p549163DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:53:36 <s3mt3x> moin 02:54:15 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 02:54:23 <s3mt3x> na alles fit ? 02:54:43 <Gonozal_VIII> english channel... 02:55:20 <s3mt3x> hmm 02:59:52 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:59:52 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:01:39 <Gonozal_VIII> you can't speak english? 03:10:57 *** Roujin [~Manuel300@mnch-4d042eea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:10:57 *** _Roujin [~Manuel300@mnch-4d04ebf7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:15:41 <s3mt3x> no 03:16:06 <s3mt3x> or a little bit. but not good ;( 03:22:33 <Belugas> practice makes perfect 03:22:39 <Belugas> or so i think 03:22:53 <Belugas> and i still need to practice a lot :) 03:23:31 <Gonozal_VIII> oui :-) 03:24:49 <Gonozal_VIII> random vowels, nevermind ;-) 03:26:21 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26:49 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5BFAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:33:38 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5E6A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:35:17 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5C1BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:42:08 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5BFAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:54:33 <_Roujin> again question directed at anyone who feels adressed 03:55:23 <_Roujin> what would you think of level land making all tiles in the selected brown even if they're not changed in height 03:55:35 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N750P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:55:39 <_Roujin> (removing trees etc) 03:56:30 <_Roujin> i guess it's a bit senseless asking questions at a time like this.. heh 03:57:09 <Belugas> why would they turn brown? 03:57:38 <Belugas> to help your code ? ;) 03:59:25 *** Hendikins|Work is now known as Hendikins 03:59:46 <_Roujin> hmm i'm thinking of a better excuse... :P 03:59:56 <_Roujin> well 04:00:45 <_Roujin> you see if you level a square where in the north and south stuff is actually changed in height, then in the middle the working vehicles have to drive around aswell 04:01:02 <_Roujin> even if in the middle nothing is excavated 04:01:09 <_Roujin> sooooooo it gets brown aswell :P 04:01:20 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F54E9A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:02:16 <_Roujin> ok i confess, it's to help my code. or rather to help what code i have in mind.. 04:02:32 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:03:16 <_Roujin> meh, forgot to save again before compiling 04:03:18 <_Roujin> i hate that 04:03:32 <_Roujin> always wonder why my changes don't work in a test run >_< 04:05:03 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5C30C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:08:00 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5768B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:49 <Belugas> does my last comment on http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1476 makes any sens? 04:09:40 <Belugas> _Roujin, i don't understand your concern, nor waht you want to achieve 04:10:55 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5C1BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:14:40 * Belugas goes to bed 04:22:26 <_Roujin> oh nvm i was just babbling around ^^ good night 04:22:43 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has joined #openttd 04:40:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83430.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:42:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82D11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:42:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:51:28 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-148-94.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 04:51:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82D11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:57:15 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5F4E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:59:52 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-148-94.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:01:41 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498DD1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:01:43 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498F240.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:04:05 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5C30C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:05:33 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N750P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 05:11:46 <Gonozal_VIII> why would you want to fund factories close to farms... transporting that stuff further away generates much more money 05:16:43 <Gonozal_VIII> you could want farms + factory on one side of the map and the same on the other side to avoid empty vehicles on the way back... 05:18:13 <Gonozal_VIII> that's not easy... you need full load order to get high rating but when both sides have unbalanced production, most trains wait on one side... 05:19:39 <Gonozal_VIII> what happened to the patch where you could set: leave station if x other trains are loading or load for max y days? 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07:44:30 <robotboy> you said ru so I say barb 07:44:39 <robotboy> and peter__ said lo 07:44:54 <robotboy> look at his user page on the ottd wiki 07:47:35 <Gonozal_VIII> aaah 07:47:50 <Gonozal_VIII> had to google wtf rhubarb is 07:50:22 <Gonozal_VIII> i had no idea what lo was supposed to mean, the only thing that came into my mind was "links oben" where i replied ru for "rechts unten" :-) 07:51:14 <Gonozal_VIII> where links is left, rechts is right, oben is top and unten is bottom 07:51:22 <peter__> mmm, rhubarb 07:51:45 <peter__> lo is short for 'lo is short for hello 07:52:16 <robotboy> yum 07:52:20 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-182-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:52:22 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaaah i c lo 2 u 2 07:52:59 <peter__> what? 07:53:12 <Gonozal_VIII> i see, hello to you too ;-) 07:53:30 <peter__> no no no, you're doing it wrong 07:54:12 <Gonozal_VIII> you can't do that wrong, it's wrong by design 07:54:16 <Gonozal_VIII> ;-) 07:54:19 <peter__> so don't do it 07:55:07 <peter__> or i shall have to figure out how to get ops here ;p 07:55:29 <Gonozal_VIII> hey, you started it :P 07:55:45 <peter__> no, "lo" is just a (spoken) abbreviation, not txtspk 07:56:36 <Gonozal_VIII> spoken? didn't hear it ;-) 07:56:40 <peter__> i did 07:57:01 <robotboy> laugh out loud 07:57:10 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-147-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:57:19 <peter__> actually i did say "lol" once instead of laughing :o 07:57:28 <Gonozal_VIII> me too^^ 07:57:30 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 07:58:32 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-150-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:58:36 <peter__> bah, sacro didn't play on my nightly that i set up for him :( 08:00:13 *** peterbrett [~peter@124-217.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:00:25 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-171-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:00:28 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5E378.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:01:19 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=35658 <-- seen that suggestion? brilliant! could've been by me! 08:06:16 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:07:06 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.138] has joined #openttd 08:07:18 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5DA17.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:07:54 <peter__> why not just use buoys? 08:08:20 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't help yapf much 08:08:36 <Gonozal_VIII> that would require the pathfinder to be dumber 08:09:11 <Gonozal_VIII> and then you have to place a buoy on every corner.. naaah not funny 08:11:13 <Noldo> there are better solutions to the ship pathfinding 08:11:18 <Gonozal_VIII> but i thought about that too... that the pathfinder works kind of like bjarnis little pirate robot 08:12:06 <Gonozal_VIII> and requests additional buoys if the simulated path doesn't leads where it should 08:12:18 <Gonozal_VIII> -s 08:15:06 <Gonozal_VIII> but then i had the shipping line idea... where you can define if a water tile should be used by ships or not... 08:15:35 <Gonozal_VIII> after that i realised that it would be much easier to simply use canals in water for that 08:26:27 <peter__> canals in water have other side effects thouggh 08:26:35 * peter__ > work 08:26:37 *** peter__ [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: peter__] 08:47:23 *** peter__ [~peter@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:47:52 <_Roujin> time to go for me, goodbye 08:48:03 *** _Roujin [~Manuel300@mnch-4d04ebf7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 09:12:22 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N750P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:48 *** peterbrett [~peter@48-159.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 09:20:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11775 /trunk/src/ (22 files): -Codechange: move all autoreplace/autorenew functions to a single location. 09:21:50 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 09:22:27 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:22:39 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-220-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:53 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-015-037.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:56 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5C69C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:39:56 <dih> can net_frame_freq have an influence on desyncs? 09:40:08 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5E378.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:07 <Rubidium> dih: yes 09:41:22 <dih> in what way? 09:41:40 <dih> and thanks for a fast response Rubidium :-) 09:42:19 <Rubidium> that the desyncs can be 'delayed' up to net_frame_freq frames 09:42:31 <dih> so they will occure either way 09:42:36 <dih> ? 09:43:00 <Rubidium> technically yes 09:43:59 <dih> thank you :-) 09:45:30 <Dominik> is it possible to specify a searchpath in the cfg file? 09:46:24 <blathijs> Dominik: A searchpath for what? 09:47:06 <Dominik> the standard data files 09:48:20 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-015-037.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 09:48:38 <Rubidium> very useful to leave at this moment... 09:48:49 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-015-037.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:49:10 <Dominik> sorry, disconnected 09:49:35 <Rubidium> Dominik: the 'problem' is that the configuration file is technically (for ottd) a datafile too... so it's the famous chicken-egg-problem 09:49:37 <Dominik> i want to load the value of e.g. SP_PERSONAL_DIR from openttd.cfg 09:50:27 <dih> why? 09:50:33 <Rubidium> SP_WORKING_DIR is 'easier' 09:50:46 <Rubidium> unless you use OSX 09:50:50 <dih> :-P 09:50:55 * dih uses OS X 09:51:08 <Dominik> ok, then i have to find a workaround. because on the ds the binary is loaded into ram as a whole. there are no paths at all, except on the external flash card 09:52:09 <Dominik> and standard behavior for ds homebrew is to have a conig file in the root dir which tells the program where to load files from 09:52:15 <Rubidium> that's a completely different 'problem' imo 09:53:54 <Rubidium> what about making "root"/openttd.cfg a 'stub' with only the path to the place where all ottd files are? 09:54:51 <Rubidium> then you can easily override SP_WORKING_DIR or whatever of those search paths to the place described in "root"/openttd.cfg without messing up the whole search path system 09:55:30 <Dominik> if everything else fails i'll have to do that. but i'd prefer to have all configuration in one file 09:55:50 <blathijs> Can't you set SP_WORKING_DIR with a commandline option? 09:56:12 <Rubidium> the 'major' problem is that the configuration file is searched for after the search paths have been determined 09:56:13 <blathijs> Or simply use the current working dir of the process? 09:56:21 <Dominik> maybe i'll just put an extra line in the cfg file with the dir and parse that before anything else 09:56:22 <blathijs> (I'm probably missing something essential here.. :-p) 09:57:15 <Dominik> blathijs: there's no such thing as a working directory. imagine the game being started from a rom card 09:58:02 <Dominik> in fact there's no directory structure (posix or other) at all. ^^ 09:58:26 <blathijs> In that case, you could add a commandline option to set SP_WORKING_DIR ? 09:59:12 <Dominik> there's no command line. the game is loaded from rom without being able to pass any arguments 09:59:29 <dih> hardcode it :-D 09:59:59 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.219] has joined #openttd 10:00:00 <Dominik> if i hardcode it, everyone is forced to use the paths that i chose 10:00:38 <Dominik> but loading the cfg file twice should work. once in the beginning to find the path and once during the regular loading 10:02:20 <dih> Rubidium, may i ask your personal oppinion on http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/r11767_network_nextgame_reload_cfg.diff ? 10:05:28 <blathijs> Dominik: That's not all that different from how it works on other systems 10:05:48 <blathijs> Dominik: You'll have to store your cfg in ~/.openttd on linux, for example 10:06:01 <blathijs> Though there might be some cmd line option to override that, though 10:06:11 <Rubidium> blathijs: there's not cmd line to do that 10:06:24 <blathijs> Doesn't the DS have some generic configuration storage mechanism? 10:06:41 <blathijs> In which you just can store a single value with the path of the other files 10:06:42 <blathijs> ? 10:06:42 <Rubidium> but... if you already have a openttd.cfg in your current working directory or any of the other search paths, it will not place it in ~/.openttd/ 10:07:22 <Rubidium> dih: ieuw... vardef :( 10:08:01 <Dominik> blathijs: well, commercial games have an area on the gamecards to store information. but it's not a "filesystem" a user could edit 10:08:44 <dih> Rubidium: what else should i do? 10:09:22 <Dominik> i'll get that to work, it's the least of my problems. i just wanted to check with you if there's a quick and easy cfg option i missed ;) 10:12:33 <dih> _network_frame_freq is set in settings.cpp:1282 to default to 0 ?? how come? 10:13:57 <UnderBuilder> now the livery newgrf is the one that gives the unsafe for static use 10:26:52 <dih> Rubidium: you have any other suggestion how to do that without vardef? 10:28:39 <Rubidium> you have absolutely no idea how to code something in C(++), haven't you? 10:28:58 <Rubidium> vardef is just an ugly hack by someone who was lazy 10:31:04 <dih> no - i dont :-) i just use what is around, read what is there and work with that 10:31:47 <dih> wanted to add a network setting so copied from another network setting 10:32:00 <dih> as i _assumed_ it would be ok to do so 10:32:20 <dih> as it then would be the _same_ as something else already in use :-P 10:33:06 <dih> _but_ i am eager to learn :-) 10:41:30 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-015-037.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:42:20 <dih> Rubidium: last 4 lines are all for you ^^ 10:42:27 <dih> *5 lines 10:49:19 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:31 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:53:36 <dih> Rubidium: vardef is used in 14 files... 10:56:23 <Rubidium> you haven't noticed that the number of vardefs is declining? 10:56:58 <dih> no 10:57:06 <dih> but if i knew how, i would love to help 10:57:42 <dih> i.e. if you tell me what to use instead, i'll happily send you a patch file that will get rid of them all :-D 10:58:50 <dih> what say you to that Rubidium? 10:58:50 <Rubidium> I rather do it myself as I otherwise have to carefully check where everything got moved to and such which probably takes more time than doing it myself 10:59:04 <dih> oh 10:59:07 <dih> ok 10:59:07 <Rubidium> primarily because I do it whenever I'm reordering headers and such 10:59:16 <dih> shame :-P 11:00:20 <Rubidium> why? 11:00:52 <Rubidium> not doing double (if not more) of the work is a shame? 11:01:29 <dih> no - not being able to do it for you is a shame 11:02:37 <dih> so in which file could i find an alternative to the vardef, so i could replace the one in that diff file? 11:05:08 <Rubidium> the alternative is using defining it using extern and and declaring it somewhere in a .cpp file 11:06:32 <dih> /somewhere/ ? 11:06:33 *** Roujin [~Manuel300@mnch-4d04ebf7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:14 <dih> can you point me to a file and perhaps a line :-P 11:07:56 <Roujin> what was the command to get the newest revision displayed here? 11:08:56 <dih> @OpenTTD youngest 11:08:56 <DorpsGek> dih: latest: r11775 11:09:21 <Roujin> hmm 11:09:41 <Roujin> and to find out what a specific revision changed? ^^ 11:09:41 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-19.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 11:09:49 <dih> @list OpenTTD 11:09:49 <DorpsGek> dih: bug, bugs, changed, commit, download, grf, grfs, info, port, ports, propset, servers, svn, thelog, and youngest 11:09:53 <dih> choose your pick :-P 11:10:21 <Roujin> @OpenTTD commit 11775 11:10:22 <DorpsGek> Roujin: Commit by rubidium :: r11775 /trunk/src (22 files) (2008-01-07 09:19:53 UTC) 11:10:23 <DorpsGek> Roujin: -Codechange: move all autoreplace/autorenew functions to a single location. 11:10:26 <dih> you can also use thim privately, with /msg DorpsGek 11:10:57 <Roujin> thanks for the info :) 11:11:22 <Roujin> i'm not very used to irc :P 11:11:52 <dih> :-P 11:11:57 <dih> you'll get it :-P 11:12:56 <Roujin> i hate myself for having so many ideas for patches i could do... 11:13:06 <Roujin> i'll never get sleep T_T 11:13:34 <dih> a game is never as important as my sleep 11:13:59 <dih> if i really need the sleep... 11:14:32 <Roujin> but i bet this one was already made by someone: when building a station, it shows what is "delivered", not only what is "accepted" 11:15:09 <dih> yes - that is good 11:15:36 <Roujin> but it has surely been done.. hasn't it? 11:15:41 <dih> Rubidium: can you point me to a file (perhaps with a line) so i can see an example? 11:15:48 <Roujin> i mean.. come on.. it's so - obvious? 11:15:49 <dih> i have no idea 11:15:59 <Rubidium> I can show you a line, but then you still would have no idea I guess 11:16:23 <dih> c'mon - it's not like i have never written a patch for ottd 11:16:24 <Rubidium> command.cpp:21 11:17:04 * Digitalfox Investigates that line 11:17:07 <dih> and that used to be a vardef ? 11:17:44 <Rubidium> don't know 11:17:44 <Roujin> but i just stumbled over something... appearently it doesn't work properly for some standard industries - namely oil wells and SOME coal mines 11:18:08 * dih will give it a try :-P 11:18:35 <Roujin> i guess there must be something wrong with the function GetProductionAroundTiles... 11:19:09 <Roujin> it works for all newgrf industries and for all standard industries except the oil wells and SOME coal mines 11:19:21 <Roujin> SOME = appearently depending on which layout it has 11:19:26 <Roujin> strange... 11:20:05 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:23:24 *** Sacro^ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:24:40 <dih> Sacro is infesting the channel.... oO 11:27:32 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:27:52 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:28:20 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 11:28:36 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:30:50 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:08 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:31:08 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:05 *** Sacro^ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:31 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-19.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host45-58-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:51:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:51:17 <Wolf01> hello 12:01:01 <dih> :-) 12:03:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F1BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:22 <dih> heh - it works ;-P 12:26:53 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N762P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 12:41:31 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:41:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 12:42:28 <Roujin> so, brought out another patch :P 12:42:51 <Roujin> now i'm off, see you all 12:43:13 *** Roujin [~Manuel300@mnch-4d04ebf7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 12:43:35 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N762P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:46:00 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:32 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti231110a080-4121.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 12:54:40 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:09 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:50 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-249-49.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 13:01:48 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-249-49.netcologne.de] has quit [] 13:13:43 <Bjarni> hehe... when reading a commit log for something that lacks a policy like ours to actually write what the commit is about can be "interesting" at times 13:13:57 <Bjarni> - Small fix to make code work as intended. <--- isn't this what all fixes is supposed to do? 13:14:04 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:07 <Bjarni> and... what is it trying to fix? :) 13:15:44 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-249-49.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 13:17:50 <Sacro> i've gone from a north to a south facing room 13:17:54 <Sacro> you really notice the difference 13:22:02 * Bjarni is in a room facing both north and south 13:22:05 <Bjarni> beat that :P 13:22:49 <Bjarni> oh an it's facing east too 13:22:57 *** Ailure [Cat@194.47.44.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:22 <Bjarni> in fact it's facing all directions except the direction towards Sacro. This can't be a random thing :p 13:23:39 <Sacro> well, i have a north facing window 13:23:48 <Sacro> i think i have 3 external walls too :( 13:23:58 <Bjarni> you *think*? 13:24:01 <Bjarni> don't you know? 13:24:06 <Sacro> i've not looked outside yet :p 13:24:14 <Sacro> i have at least 2 13:24:21 <Sacro> at most 3 13:24:21 <Bjarni> where are you? 13:24:23 <Bjarni> at home? 13:24:25 <Sacro> my new room 13:24:29 <Sacro> i moved yesterdya 13:24:34 <Bjarni> ohh 13:24:42 <Bjarni> to a new building? 13:24:55 <Sacro> yep 13:25:01 <Sacro> hot northern irish girl in this house 13:25:06 <Bjarni> got tired of getting rice every day? 13:25:14 <Sacro> i love rice 13:25:24 <Sacro> but my rice cooker is going back to China :( 13:25:32 <Bjarni> ohh 13:25:34 <Sacro> well, the biological one is 13:25:40 <Sacro> she's leaving me an electrical one 13:26:12 <Bjarni> those should be rather good 13:26:18 <Bjarni> well... some of them at least 13:26:22 <Sacro> yes, they are 13:26:38 <murray> :) 13:27:09 <Bjarni> Sacro: http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3528 <-- you can even make more than just rice in it 13:27:39 <Bjarni> (no, I'm not going to translate the recipes... it's watch and learn :p ) 13:28:08 <Bjarni> I would try this but I lack a proper rice cooker 13:29:00 <Bjarni> if I ever go to Asia then I might buy one 13:30:55 <Bjarni> hmm 13:31:12 <Bjarni> Sacro: about that rice cooker... do they use 230V in China? 13:31:37 <Bjarni> or 50 Hz for that matter 13:31:53 <Sacro> she uses a plug converter 13:32:18 <Sacro> but then her laptop will probably be 110-240 13:32:29 <Sacro> @ 50-60 13:32:49 <Bjarni> they are making more and more that operates on 90-250V and 47-63 Hz 13:32:57 <Bjarni> one product to fit the entire world 13:33:07 <Bjarni> but it will not work well with heating elements 13:33:27 <Bjarni> it works with electronics and stuff like that that has to convert the voltage anyway 13:34:08 <Bjarni> Japan is feared when it comes to power frequency... they couldn't settle for either 50 or 60 Hz... so they use both >_< 13:35:15 <Bjarni> their powergrid is 50 Hz and the end transformers has AC-DC-AC converters to make 60 Hz and then the buildings can get both 13:35:37 <Bjarni> I think they are trying to get rid of 60 Hz though 13:37:17 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-22-236.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:29 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 13:40:33 <LA[lord]> hello 13:42:58 <dih> hi 13:43:08 <dih> hello Bjarni 13:45:36 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:45:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-212-3.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:54:16 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:56:05 *** LA[lord]_ [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 13:56:34 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:57:52 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 14:01:27 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:32 *** LA[lord]_ is now known as LA[lord] 14:02:43 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:03 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 14:05:22 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:11:05 <Bjarni> hello dih 14:12:46 <LA[lord]> what it takes to get a good sprite? Drawing skill... What do I lack? -"- 14:13:30 <Bjarni> a graphical editing app 14:13:41 <LA[lord]> Gimp is very good... 14:13:43 <Bjarni> that can read png and use custom palette 14:14:04 <LA[lord]> I guess it's drawing skill I lack... 14:14:11 <LA[lord]> bah.. :( 14:14:20 <Wolf01> i use graphics gale 14:15:16 <LA[lord]> I can always try to draw again but at some poit, it gets useless, if other guys can do it ten times better ... 14:15:42 <Bjarni> LA[lord]: oh it would be a good thing to have a working grfcodec too 14:16:25 * LA[lord] checks his grfcodec....wait a mom, he asked for what it takes for a good sprite... 14:16:55 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-229-125.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:44 <Bjarni> well 14:17:53 <LA[lord]> no actually it's the last time I try to draw rail depot..from scratch..it this is a failure too I'll make something else 14:18:01 <Bjarni> technically it's not needed to have the codec but it's usually a good idea 14:18:29 <LA[lord]> You can post the sprites and let smb else code it, if you don't know nfo ... 14:18:33 <Bjarni> bugging everybody else to encode stuff for you might not be an ideal solution 14:19:03 <Bjarni> alternatively you can code support for XML based sprite additions to the game ;) 14:19:07 <LA[lord]> then it seems to be fortunate that I have learned nfo and have grfcodec 14:19:21 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-220-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:19:30 <LA[lord]> you saw my thread about futuristic graphics system? 14:19:44 <LA[lord]> It was atleast three months ago I suggested it :D 14:19:53 <LA[lord]> or something like that, similar 14:20:27 <LA[lord]> anyway, less talk, more drawing... 14:20:37 <LA[lord]> I'll present you with something in some time 14:21:18 * Bjarni notes to watch new graphics next month 14:21:49 <LA[lord]> next month? 14:22:07 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 14:22:09 <Bjarni> yeah 14:22:12 <Bjarni> when you are done 14:24:13 <LA[lord]> grr...' 14:24:22 <LA[lord]> If I draw, I draw quickly 14:24:26 <ludde> when did i release the first openttd? 14:24:41 <LA[lord]> (that explains the quality of my production though) 14:25:22 <Bjarni> err 14:25:25 <Bjarni> early 2004 14:25:30 <ludde> really? 14:25:54 <Rubidium> openttd-0.1.1 on sf is of 13-03-2004 14:25:59 <ludde> aha, interesting. 14:26:05 <Bjarni> openttd-0.1.1 Notes (2004-03-13 15:00) 14:26:32 *** abcd [~Miranda@dslb-084-056-212-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:34 *** abcd is now known as Guest2382 14:26:56 <ludde> apparently i started work on it 2002 14:27:03 <ludde> and the first version i gave to orudge was in march 2003 14:27:23 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 14:28:41 <ludde> apparently then i stopped working on it for exactly one year :) 14:28:52 <Bjarni> why? 14:29:08 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 14:29:16 <ludde> dunno 14:29:28 <ludde> i guess i had abanboned it 14:29:44 <ludde> but then all the publicity around the open sourcing gave me back some inspiration 14:30:38 <ludde> 2004-03-06: orudge: Sorry to keep nagging... but is anything going to happen with your TT reverse engineering/reconstruction? 14:30:45 <orudge> heh 14:30:48 <Belugas> hurray for that :) 14:30:51 <orudge> yes, indeed 14:30:53 <ludde> 2004-03-06: orudge: It's just it's very good, and it's a shame that it's doing nothing ;) 14:30:54 <orudge> I still have those logs somewhere 14:31:03 <ludde> then i replied: 14:31:03 <ludde> I can't tell, right now it's not on my list of prioritized projects 14:31:09 <ludde> i don't have any plans to work on it, but maybe i change my mind in the future. 14:31:53 <Bjarni> I have a download of svn from the 15th of March 2004... the date I started porting OpenTTD 14:31:57 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:03 <orudge> Session Start (ICQ - xxxxxx): Thu Mar 06 17:07:58 2003 14:32:03 <orudge> xxxx: hello, 14:32:03 <orudge> you probably don't know me, but i've been working on reverse engineering ttd for a while. 14:32:05 <orudge> ¬_¬ 14:32:10 <orudge> I still have those old code snapshots and so on 14:32:23 <ludde> http://home.strigeus.com/ttd.rar <-- my first cvs repo 14:32:23 <orudge> I never uploaded anything earlier than what was released as 0.1 though 14:33:02 <ludde> probably lacks some stuff from the widget directory, unless i'm missing something 14:33:07 <Bjarni> how did you know that I'm searching for my HD for my old OTTD stuff right now? 14:33:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11776 /trunk/src/ (25 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: more header splittings to reduce the dependencies. 14:33:21 <orudge> funky 14:33:30 <Bjarni> but it's most likely without the stuff I'm looking for :/ 14:33:32 <ludde> belugas asked me about it 14:33:41 <ludde> (privately) 14:33:47 <ludde> maybe he asked you too? 14:34:01 <Bjarni> sort of :) 14:34:25 * Bjarni still wonders where he put the complete commit log of the old svn server 14:35:19 <Belugas> yeah... I'm looking at all the infos i can gather :) 14:35:48 <orudge> oh, and OpenTTD 0.1 never made it to SourceForge, but is available at http://www.tt-forums.net/openttd/openttd-0.1.zip 14:35:49 <orudge> iirc 14:35:55 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 14:36:12 <frosch123> Hello everyone 14:36:16 <Belugas> got that one, plus the the r607 snapshot 14:36:25 <Belugas> hello frosch :D 14:38:59 * Belugas will install cvs tonight at home :) 14:39:21 * orudge is just doing something 14:39:31 <orudge> which you may find useful 14:40:46 <Sacro> is 0.1 playable online? 14:40:50 <orudge> no 14:40:57 <Sacro> darn :p 14:41:02 <Sacro> i wanted it on the master server 14:41:02 *** Guest2382 [~Miranda@dslb-084-056-212-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 14:41:05 <Sacro> to see if anyone noticed 14:42:51 <LA[lord]> but what is the first mp proof revision then... 14:43:04 <Belugas> 3.4 or 3.6 was online only, iirc 14:43:12 <Belugas> 0.3.4... 14:43:16 <Belugas> of course... 14:45:32 <DaleStan> Sacro: Well, you could just compile your own version (or even hex-edit a compiled one) so "0.5.3" becomes "0.1.0". 14:45:38 <Belugas> and 0.3.6 was more stable as much as network operations 14:45:48 <orudge> earlier versions did have networking support 14:45:51 <orudge> just not very good support :P 14:46:32 <LA[lord]> heh 14:47:24 <Belugas> ok... good to know. My fisrt contact with ottd was on 0.3.4 14:49:46 <orudge> fo those who are interested: http://www.tt-forums.net/openttd/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi 14:52:03 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-220-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:52:56 * Belugas salutes orudge's initiative :D 14:53:23 <peter__> heh, silly cvs revisions 14:54:03 <orudge> quite 14:54:26 <peter__> couldn't do nightlies with that 14:54:35 <ludde> it feels so sad that it was like 5 years ago... 14:54:46 <orudge> time does fly 14:55:08 <ludde> and scummvm was even longer... 14:56:17 <peter__> and now look at the mess we've made of it 14:56:48 <ludde> yeah 14:57:04 <ludde> (or tbh.. i have no idea cause i havn't really looked at the source since I quit :p) 14:57:39 <peter__> *cough*c++*cough* 14:58:05 <ludde> didn't C work well enough? 14:58:46 <dih> hey :-) 14:59:00 <Belugas> it's the first step toward migration to java 14:59:04 <Belugas> NOT ;) 14:59:19 <orudge> I still think we should rewrite OpenTTD in Whitespace ;D 14:59:20 <glx> C works well, but C++ has some nice features 14:59:46 <ludde> C++ has a lot of anti-features too 14:59:50 <glx> right 15:02:00 <dih> ludde: you dont like c++? 15:03:33 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:18 <ludde> i like some features 15:04:32 <LA[lord]> I don't get what's the main differences between c and c++? 15:04:45 <LA[lord]> both are similar aren't they? 15:05:16 <frosch123> dih: If you like something, then you do not know it well enough :) 15:05:17 * LA[lord] knows nothing about coding 15:05:33 <Sacro> DaleStan: yes, thats true 15:05:40 <Sacro> make RELEASE=foo 15:06:16 <dih> frosch123: that is a very pesimistic approach 15:06:25 <Sacro> dih: or cynical 15:09:42 *** MarkASLEEP is now known as Mark 15:13:21 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:15:01 <dih> r11777 compile error: src/unix.cpp:246: error: 'ttd_strlcpy' was not declared in this scope 15:15:44 <Rubidium> lol ;) 15:15:53 <pavel1269> !openttd 15:15:54 *** Ailure [Cat@194.47.44.155] has joined #openttd 15:15:57 <pavel1269> @openttd 15:16:00 <pavel1269> !help 15:16:04 <pavel1269> @help 15:16:04 <DorpsGek> pavel1269: help [<plugin>] [<command>] 15:16:20 <pavel1269> openttd 15:16:24 <Sacro> @password 15:16:24 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel. 15:16:28 <Sacro> ooh 15:16:52 <pavel1269> wiki 15:16:54 <pavel1269> !wiki 15:16:58 <pavel1269> @wiki 15:17:01 <pavel1269> hmm ... 15:17:14 <pavel1269> @help wiki 15:17:14 <DorpsGek> pavel1269: Error: There is no command "wiki". 15:17:22 <dih> @list 15:17:23 <DorpsGek> dih: Ctcp, Filter, Format, Math, Misc, OpenTTD, Scheduler, Seen, Topic, WT2, and XMLRPC 15:17:29 <pavel1269> OpenTTD 15:17:33 <pavel1269> @OpenTTD 15:17:46 <dih> pavell: you can use those also in /msg DorpsGek <command> 15:17:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11778 /trunk/src/unix.cpp: -Fix: compiles with ICONV failed. 15:18:07 <dih> :-) 15:18:22 <pavel1269> he retire to tell me anything :)) 15:18:44 <dih> because you are not useing it correctly! 15:18:53 <Rubidium> pavel1269: well... if it doesn't know what you want in a way it understands it, then no 15:18:55 <LA[lord]> i!i!wiki and !password seem a lot like #openttdcoop channel ones... 15:19:06 <Rubidium> but *WHY* do you want to know where the wiki is? 15:19:20 <Rubidium> it's in the topic 15:19:22 <LA[lord]> *spam and ham* 15:19:28 <dih> Rubidium: are you surprised somone wants to read it? 15:19:30 <dih> :-P 15:20:05 <pavel1269> what it will write to me for command OpenTTD 15:20:13 <pavel1269> i just tried if wiki works ? 15:20:52 <dih> http://supybot.com/documentation/plugins/ 15:20:54 <dih> there you go :-) 15:23:53 <LA[lord]> hmm...that supybot site has half estonian interface too :D 15:25:39 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7561.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:05 <dih> Rubidium: any better? 15:26:06 <dih> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/r11778_reload_cfg.diff 15:27:05 <dih> hello skidd13 15:27:15 <skidd13> Hi 15:27:26 <LA[lord]> hi skidd 15:27:28 <LA[lord]> 15 15:27:44 <Belugas> dih: settings.cpp, not aligned 15:27:57 <Belugas> view your diff, look at it 15:28:09 <Belugas> console_cmds.cpp too 15:28:39 <Belugas> openttd.cpp, some trailing white spaces 15:28:52 <Belugas> you don't know how frustrating those are while commiting :S 15:29:25 <glx> I know the feeling :) 15:29:32 <Belugas> lol 15:29:41 <dih> thank you Belugas 15:30:04 <Belugas> i almost rejected last stuff from Sirkoz when it failed, so pissed off i was ;) 15:30:38 *** orudge [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 15:30:52 <dih> :-P 15:31:35 <LA[lord]> my gawd...whats wrong with me :(? 15:31:58 <LA[lord]> I can't make any rail depots...not to speak draw beautiful things... 15:32:18 <peter__> http://fuzzle.org/o/engines3.png 15:32:21 <peter__> pom-te-pom 15:32:39 <peter__> though that only means anything if you're familiar with newgrf sets 15:32:55 <Rubidium> *or* know what peter__ has been doing lately 15:33:12 <Belugas> most likely the latter :) 15:33:18 <skidd13> Rubidium: true true :D 15:33:21 <Belugas> in my case, at least ;) 15:33:22 <LA[lord]> it's the UKRS set? 15:34:57 <dih> how's that :-P http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/r11778_reload_cfg.diff 15:34:58 <peter__> some of it, yes 15:35:12 <skidd13> LA[lord]: to be clear not only :D 15:35:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11779 /trunk/src/win32.cpp: -Fix: win32 compile failed. Also removed a duplicate include 15:36:41 <LA[lord]> but.. two sets :S ...ahh I see ..It's peter_... a new patch? 15:37:00 <Belugas> dih, code style wise, i've got nothing more to say 15:37:18 <peter__> 3 sets actually 15:38:08 <glx> was about to say at least 3 (UKRS, DBSET, and probably NARS) 15:38:23 *** orudge [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 15:38:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 15:39:26 <LA[lord]> bah...I'm not very good at guessing what grfs might be in use :D 15:39:48 <peter__> ukrs, canset and dbset 15:40:24 <glx> hey I was half right (it's an north american one ;) ) 15:41:17 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:54:00 <Rubidium> so when you say Czech railset and it is DBset you're half-right? 15:55:22 <glx> I guessed it from engine names 15:56:21 <glx> Czech one is narrow gauge IIRC 15:56:38 <Vikthor> it is not 15:57:08 <Vikthor> or at least it is not intended as such 16:00:04 <Bjarni> back 16:06:22 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:11 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.138] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:08:20 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.84.74.134] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:15:12 <peter__> gah, hungry 16:19:58 *** icc [~icc@itth.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:20 <icc> I just compiled on linux (with all req. stuff) copied files put when trying to start dedicated openttd just exits for no reason? help? 16:22:56 <skidd13> icc: any output in the console? 16:23:24 <icc> nope 16:23:35 <icc> just $ ./openttd and then $ again 16:24:10 <skidd13> any instances of openttd running? 16:24:15 <icc> no =/ 16:24:54 <icc> I'm trying to recompile now without the prefix and dedicated options 16:28:16 <peter__> ./openttd -D 16:28:23 <peter__> even a dedicated build needs -D, apparently 16:28:42 <peter__> possibly something i broke ;) 16:29:05 <murray> i was wondering about that 16:29:09 <murray> -d did nothing :p 16:29:14 <peter__> -d is debug 16:29:24 <murray> then what is -D ? 16:29:29 <hylje> -Dedicated 16:29:44 <murray> oh 16:29:51 <hylje> basically openttd with a null blitter 16:30:23 <peter__> i can fix that actually 16:34:17 <murray> how goes it icc? 16:34:43 <icc> there we go 16:36:54 <murray> :) 16:37:01 <icc> :') 16:39:00 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N762P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:41:22 <Gonozal_VIII> train 7 is lost, train 3 is loster but train 13 is the lostest by far 16:41:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11780 /trunk/src/video/dedicated_v.h: -Codechange: When compiling a dedicated server build, select the dedicated video driver by default. 16:42:16 <peter__> lostest? he 16:42:37 <Gonozal_VIII> that's why i wrote that, wanted to use those words^^ 16:58:07 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:58:36 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 17:02:28 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 17:08:40 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:20 *** glx|away is now known as glx 17:10:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:21:56 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:29 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:50 <Gonozal_VIII> pavels avatar always increases the time it takes me to read new posts... bad pavel 17:25:03 <LA[lord]> :D 17:25:36 <LA[lord]> gotta blame somebody for slow reading eh? 17:26:14 <Gonozal_VIII> can't read faster while laughing :P 17:26:39 <dih> purpose of extend_vehicle_life? 17:26:43 <LA[lord]> :D... 17:27:20 <LA[lord]> watch this avatar :D 17:27:22 <LA[lord]> http://www.tt-forums.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=14268 17:27:42 <Gonozal_VIII> dih... to avoid vehicle_resurrection 17:28:00 <dih> ? 17:28:00 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:04 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe yes, that one is good too 17:28:07 <dih> nice avatar by the way 17:28:34 <dih> Gonozal: it takes int's but what they mean? 17:29:07 <dih> years to extend vehicles live by? 17:29:09 <Gonozal_VIII> no idea? maybe a factor 17:29:27 <Gonozal_VIII> leftover part from a daylength patch^^ 17:29:48 <dih> e->lifelength = ei->lifelength + _patches.extend_vehicle_life; 17:30:04 <dih> that is in engine.cpp 17:30:27 <Gonozal_VIII> straaange 17:30:36 * dih snuffles 17:31:14 <Gonozal_VIII> look where that _patches.extend_vehicle_life value comes from 17:31:24 <dih> the config 17:31:34 <dih> and it's not in the gui 17:31:47 <Gonozal_VIII> config? haven't seen that line there 17:31:56 <dih> settings.cpp 17:32:04 <dih> line 1473 17:32:36 <Gonozal_VIII> wow... it is in the config 17:32:38 <Gonozal_VIII> extend_vehicle_life = 0 17:33:48 <Gonozal_VIII> and it works.. 17:34:00 <Gonozal_VIII> but what's the point :S 17:34:34 <dih> that is what i am asking 17:35:23 <Gonozal_VIII> well... you can set it to 1000 and never worry about autorenew costs... 17:37:39 <dih> max value is 100 17:37:54 <Gonozal_VIII> ok... i tested it with 100 17:38:37 <pavel1269> Gonozal_VIII: hehe 17:38:43 <pavel1269> but i have much better ones ;) 17:39:05 <dih> and? 17:39:19 <Gonozal_VIII> [18:33:47] Guest2349: and it works.. 17:39:25 <dih> it add's 100 years to the engine's life? 17:39:27 <Gonozal_VIII> all vehicles hat 100 years more 17:39:32 <Gonozal_VIII> -t+d 17:40:32 <Gonozal_VIII> not only trains, everything from rvs to planes 17:41:38 <dih> updated the wiki 17:45:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:52:21 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm why do i have stuff like daylength and seafloor in my config 17:57:47 <Belugas> looks like you're playing with too many patches ;) 17:58:09 <Gonozal_VIII> naaah default nightly 17:58:21 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess i copied the cfg around too much 17:58:32 <Belugas> that could be 17:59:12 <LA[lord]> why do you copy your cfg then I might ask... 17:59:25 <LA[lord]> (but I won't) 17:59:47 <Gonozal_VIII> because i don't want to lose the settings? 18:00:28 <LA[lord]> hmm...putting one cfg to local openttd folder should do the trick... Same settings for every nighlty 18:01:06 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't want that 18:01:09 <LA[lord]> and then you don't have to copy sample.cat and other trg*r.grfs too anymore...local openttd folder/data 18:01:23 <LA[lord]> and then put the grfs there 18:01:52 <LA[lord]> so you won't have zillion copys of same newgrfs in example... 18:02:24 <LA[lord]> and if you want to change settings for one specific nightly then cfg in installation dir will have priority 18:02:26 <glx> LA[lord]: you can have many openttd.cfg and only one grf dir 18:02:40 <LA[lord]> ? 18:02:50 <LA[lord]> in local folder? 18:03:13 <glx> puts all grfs in mydocs/openttd/data 18:03:20 <glx> and openttd.cfg in install dir 18:04:45 <LA[lord]> ..but then I indeed have to 1. ReSet all things if I get new nightly or 2. Mess with copying cfg file...As I don't change settings very often I find the way I described much easier...I just download nighlty, unzip it and start playing 18:05:34 <Gonozal_VIII> i unpack the nightlies in the same directory all the time 18:05:50 <LA[lord]> I don't 18:06:10 <glx> then use the global openttd.cfg 18:06:14 <LA[lord]> The folder name will be different every time because the revision changes 18:06:54 <Gonozal_VIII> i change the folder name too, but what has that to do with where i unpack it? 18:06:57 <LA[lord]> glx, I do use global cfg and global grfs :) and I thank you for this, because I find it very handy 18:07:53 <LA[lord]> Gonozal_VIII: Extract here will make a new folder which has new name...Because the archives include folder and only then the data' 18:08:52 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't extract it with extract, i open the archive and drag the data into the folder 18:09:41 <LA[lord]> and there comes the difference :D 18:09:46 <Gonozal_VIII> overwrite question... yes to all... yay, new nightly 18:10:01 <LA[lord]> or dl, extract, yay new nightly 18:10:10 <Gonozal_VIII> but old one still there 18:10:26 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@062249182162.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:10:29 <LA[lord]> and If I want, I might delete the old one later 18:10:54 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-249-49.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:12:49 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-249-49.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 18:14:02 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:04 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:15 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-249-49.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:59 <Gonozal_VIII> rail_look_ahead_signal_p1 = -100 <-- negative yapf penalty? i thought that doesn't work 18:30:36 *** peter__ [~peter@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:34:10 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7561.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Ping timeout: Hmm ping sucks :D] 18:35:17 <blathijs> Gonozal_VIII: Proper A* implementations don't like that 18:35:51 <blathijs> Gonozal_VIII: Though it might work out of the net cost of a tile (ie, base cost + penalties) remains positive 18:36:54 <Gonozal_VIII> ah i see 18:37:41 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 18:47:21 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:48:09 *** peter__ [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 18:50:00 <peter__> re 18:53:43 <pavel1269> anyone here can make a server and want to play? :P 18:55:30 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:55:40 <LA[lord]> "Bjarni notes to watch new graphics next month" -> you can watch it right now too :) 18:55:54 <LA[lord]> I present you this... http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&p=654291#p654291 18:56:39 <LA[lord]> I know that the shading is weird in lot's of places, but this is a subject to change later I guess 18:58:18 <peter__> make is playing on his server 18:58:20 <peter__> err 18:58:25 * peter__ is playing on his server 18:58:33 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm you can even put the lang folder into the global dir... 18:59:08 <pavel1269> peter__: what server what verion :P 18:59:33 <peter__> 11769 (atm) 19:00:09 <pavel1269> will you play or just testing sth? 19:00:25 <peter__> playing 19:00:41 <pavel1269> omw :o) 19:00:47 <peter__> although i think we're due a new nightly any second... 19:00:57 *** peterbrett [~peter@48-159.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:01 <LA[lord]> it's 21:00 here... 19:01:07 <peter__> yeah 19:02:21 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm it doesn't look for newgrf in the global dir if there's a data folder 19:03:07 <pavel1269> server down or not public? :( 19:03:27 <peter__> recompiling for new nightly, 11780 19:03:38 <pavel1269> :-/ 19:08:47 *** Roujin [~Manuel300@p5497257F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:08:58 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:09:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:14:48 *** dekan [~ben@202-74-203-5.ue.woosh.co.nz] has quit [Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared!] 19:15:47 <LA[lord]> hmm..my rail depots have been up there for 21 minutes now, but still no comments... 19:17:18 * LA[lord] feels terribly ignored and goes raising his postcount at off-topic 19:18:15 <Gonozal_VIII> you should add some screenshots, sprites look strange with that blue transparency stuff 19:21:03 <LA[lord]> which means I still have to a) code them right now b) gimp them together... 19:22:19 *** peterbrett [~peter@199-174.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 19:22:45 <Gonozal_VIII> code... you can't really call that coding^^ 19:23:01 <Belugas> LA[lord], i do not like much the grey base. just an impression, no real reason 19:23:28 <Belugas> Gonozal_VIII, it is coding, since it is a language :) 19:24:16 <peter__> coding is varaction 2 chains :D 19:24:33 <Gonozal_VIII> the grey stuff is ok... concrete foundations 19:25:51 <Gonozal_VIII> it's bad to have wood down to the ground because the rain "jumps" back up from the ground :-) 19:26:34 <LA[lord]> peter_ coding is also messing an hour with getting offsets right :D 19:26:48 <hylje> magic numbers 19:27:33 <peter__> they're easy if you actually understand what they are 19:27:41 <Gonozal_VIII> you don't have to do any coding, just place it into trg1r 19:28:08 <Gonozal_VIII> same position, same size... works just fine 19:28:16 <LA[lord]> Gonozal_VIII: Why do it the easy way, if I can do it the hard way? 19:28:38 <LA[lord]> :D 19:29:03 <hylje> less effort 19:29:26 <LA[lord]> peter_: I guess I should make more use of print screen and GIMP measurment tool :) ... 19:29:38 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think he wanted an answer to that question hylje 19:29:58 <LA[lord]> hylje: but what if my sprites aren't the same size as it happens usually :D 19:30:17 <peter__> ^S is easier... 19:30:22 <peter__> actually 19:30:25 <peter__> xmag is easier 19:30:43 <Gonozal_VIII> you should make more use of the original file, the sizes and coordinates are already there 19:30:52 <LA[lord]> what's ^S ? 19:31:01 <Gonozal_VIII> not same size = bad 19:31:42 <LA[lord]> Gonozal_VIII: For the rail depot they want it to be whole tile big so it's more or less "tileable" 19:31:50 <Gonozal_VIII> but not much of a problem, same coordinates, change the size.. there is enough white around the sprites 19:32:23 <peter__> LA[lord], ^S is ctrl-s 19:32:32 <LA[lord]> :) 19:33:09 <Gonozal_VIII> ^ seems to be a lot... 19:33:19 <Gonozal_VIII> power... xor... ctrl.. 19:33:39 <Gonozal_VIII> eyebrow.. 19:34:14 <LA[lord]> ..something up there?.... 19:34:45 <Gonozal_VIII> the roof, the roof, the roof is on fire 19:35:58 <LA[lord]> burn mothers, yuck!!eww!!!, burnn 19:35:59 <Roujin> and i always thought ^ was an accent used e.g. in french... :P 19:36:01 <pavel1269> peter__: can't join i am missiong 2NewGRFs 19:37:46 <pavel1269> :( 19:38:10 <LA[lord]> which ones? 19:38:32 <pavel1269> canadian station set 19:38:35 <pavel1269> 3c 19:38:41 <pavel1269> and something ... GRVTS 19:38:50 <peter__> both are on grfcrawler 19:38:57 <pavel1269> good 19:43:49 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:39 *** LA[lord]_ [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:46:55 * LA[lord]_ 's jaw just dropped open 19:47:34 <Gonozal_VIII> better close it before some insects/spiders crawl in 19:47:35 * LA[lord]_ admired the new tropic terrain 19:47:51 * LA[lord]_ closed his mouth 19:48:04 <LA[lord]_> arghhh!!!! too laterrggh... 19:48:30 <Gonozal_VIII> they'll lay their eggs in you! 19:49:34 <Gonozal_VIII> can you feel them crawling under your skin? 19:49:35 * LA[lord]_ has a nice cute rabbit colony living in his stomach 19:49:50 <LA[lord]_> don't ask how rabbit's EGGS got there 19:49:56 <LA[lord]_> it isn't even easter yet 19:51:44 <Gonozal_VIII> what came first? the egg or the rabbit= 19:51:46 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 19:51:53 <hylje> the turtle, Gonozal_VIII 19:52:26 <Gonozal_VIII> through svn? 19:52:28 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:37 *** LA[lord]_ is now known as LA[lord] 19:53:48 <LA[lord]> svn co svn://egg.rabbit.co.uk/trunk ? 19:54:38 <Gonozal_VIII> the easter bunnies aren't in the uk 19:54:54 <Gonozal_VIII> obviously they are in toyland 19:54:55 *** vispillo_ [~vispillo@p5489AE73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:56:04 <Gonozal_VIII> toyland is .tl 19:59:59 *** peterbrett [~peter@199-174.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:08 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:00:59 <LA[lord]> svn co svn://egg.rabbi.turtle.tl/easter ? 20:02:02 <Gonozal_VIII> only for jews 20:02:05 <LA[lord]> :D 20:02:07 *** vispillo [~vispillo@p54898B23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:26 <LA[lord]> I notticed that yes :) 20:03:18 <LA[lord]> the rabbi was unintentional...really 20:04:22 *** Sionide- [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 20:04:23 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.5] 20:04:41 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:05:21 *** Sionide- is now known as Sionide 20:08:32 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-211-230.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:11:24 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:24 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-211-230.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:30 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:12:14 * LA[lord] is back from supper 20:12:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7C82A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:13:44 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:56 *** Roujin [~Manuel300@p5497257F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 20:15:30 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:15:38 *** murray [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:22 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:23 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i59F7C43A.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:21:48 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:19 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:05 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:24:34 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:01 <Gonozal_VIII> you scared them all away la 20:25:15 <pavel1269> :) 20:26:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-212-3.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-212-3.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:28:10 *** bla [~Gonozal_V@N905P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:28:10 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest2415 20:28:10 *** Guest2415 is now known as Guest2416 20:28:10 *** bla is now known as Gonozal_VIII 20:30:03 *** Guest2416 [~Gonozal_V@N762P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:24 <LA[lord]> lalala lala...Me? no way.. I only ping and whing too much, never scare anybody 20:32:06 <LA[lord]> anyway, I /ok not coded but/ made the grf and added screenshot to the thread 20:33:17 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:58 <Gonozal_VIII> i know nothing of any thread nowhere 20:34:04 <Gonozal_VIII> never 20:34:15 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:34:30 <LA[lord]> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=380 20:34:39 <LA[lord]> I mean THE thread 20:34:59 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:35:08 <LA[lord]> the only thread which is already proved to be useful 20:35:44 <LA[lord]> I mean look at my post count...it has increased terribly since I started the hread 20:36:18 <peter__> quality, not quantity... 20:37:35 <LA[lord]> :D 20:37:46 <Gonozal_VIII> [20:17:17] * LA[lord] feels terribly ignored and goes raising his postcount at off-topic 20:37:53 <LA[lord]> :D 20:38:13 <LA[lord]> oh thanks for reminding me that 20:38:23 * LA[lord] has some spam to do 20:40:11 *** prime [~nnscript@ti231110a080-4121.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 20:41:19 *** prime [~nnscript@ti231110a080-4121.bb.online.no] has quit [] 20:41:29 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:47 <LA[lord]> who is now scaring people huh?, Gonozal_VIII 20:43:09 <Gonozal_VIII> still you 20:43:12 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 20:43:27 * LA[lord] thinks that he has spammed enough for today 20:43:34 <LA[lord]> bah... 20:43:42 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-197-44.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:43:46 <LA[lord]> they look at your face and run... 20:43:59 <LA[lord]> and you say I scare them of.... 20:44:59 <Gonozal_VIII> your roofs are wrooooong 20:45:03 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 20:46:24 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:46:45 *** murray [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has joined #openttd 20:47:38 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti231110a080-4121.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:38 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-182-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:11 <LA[lord]> I mentioned that in the post... Gonozal_VIII 20:48:42 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-115-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:49:53 <Gonozal_VIII> they also have dark stuff at the tile borders 20:53:33 * LA[lord] wrote: /Again, any tweaks or stuff is very welcome :)/ 20:53:49 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:04 <Gonozal_VIII> can't, my eyes hurt 20:54:20 <LA[lord]> ? 20:54:32 <LA[lord]> because of my depot? 20:55:03 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 20:55:10 <Gonozal_VIII> because of not enough sleep 20:56:04 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:39 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 20:56:41 *** LA[lord]_ [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 21:00:46 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:00:47 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 21:02:33 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:08 *** LA[lord]_ [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:47 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 21:14:37 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:16:18 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5FE0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:43 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5C69C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82931.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82B15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:36:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:50:17 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> # init 6 22:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> segmentation fault 22:00:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> ha ha, very funny ;) 22:00:44 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:00:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> brb, system crashed 22:01:48 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77CF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:46 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75399.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:40 <dih> @list OpenTTD 22:06:40 <DorpsGek> dih: bug, bugs, changed, commit, download, grf, grfs, info, port, ports, propset, servers, svn, thelog, and youngest 22:06:52 <dih> @OpenTTD youngest 22:06:53 <DorpsGek> dih: latest: r11780 22:07:12 <Eddi|zuHause> @openttd thelog 22:07:12 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: r11780 log: -Codechange: When compiling a dedicated server build, select the dedicated video driver by default. 22:07:28 <Eddi|zuHause> why "thelog"?!? 22:08:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... and of course it crashed before finishing recording... 22:09:46 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N905P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:09 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 22:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it's so funny how the system crashes, but it runs on like nothing happened, and the only thing that still works is IRC... 22:13:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:14:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:38:07 *** Desolator [~mircea@86.126.10.17] has joined #openttd 22:38:24 <Desolator> hello everyone 22:38:34 *** Desolator is now known as Guest2430 22:38:36 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: You live, I die! Or was it the other way aro....] 22:38:42 <Guest2430> crap... 22:38:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11781 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: variable scope and initialization 22:39:05 *** Guest2430 [~mircea@86.126.10.17] has quit [] 22:39:21 <peter__> @openttd bugs 22:39:22 <DorpsGek> peter__: Open Bugs: 25; Not assigned: 22; Closed this week: 10; Opened this week: 8 22:39:34 <UnderBuilder> @openttd features 22:39:36 <peter__> hmm, it was 33 closed, a few days ago 22:39:38 *** Desolator [~mircea@86.126.10.17] has joined #openttd 22:39:43 <UnderBuilder> erm... 22:40:20 <Desolator> just wondering what the devs think about what chances the new opengfx project has to get in trunk and replace the old TTD graphics? 22:41:26 <Rubidium> getting into trunk -> probably not the way it will go. However, it will probably be part of default installations (via the installer) 22:41:50 <Rubidium> but not in the nightlies because the graphics themselves will be stable 22:41:57 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-197-44.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:42:04 <Desolator> why it will probably not included directly with the game? 22:42:31 <Desolator> (so long it'll be released under the GPL or something compatible with it) 22:42:49 <UnderBuilder> why @openttd features doesn't work? 22:43:02 <peter__> i imagine that we might add support for loading it instead of the default graphics, but not put it in by default 22:43:16 <peter__> because features isn't a valid command 22:43:16 <Rubidium> Desolator: I said that it will not be in the nightlies because that means the nightlies will quadruple in size of so 22:44:19 <Desolator> Rubidium: I think some sort of compression should be implemented for the GRF, if it will have any effect, maybe GZIP? Just a sec, I'll try a couple of formats to see which is the most efficient 22:44:47 <Rubidium> Desolator: the images are already compressed 22:45:03 <peter__> not highly though 22:45:14 <peter__> it's only an RLE variant isn't it? 22:45:22 <Desolator> umm, yeah, PCX...one of the weakest compressions 22:45:34 <peter__> no, GRFs are not PCX 22:45:55 <Desolator> I mean the images 22:46:34 <Desolator> hmm, ZIP turns the 3.2 MB trg1r.grf into 1.5, not bad 22:46:54 <peter__> the images in the GRF are not PCX, either 22:47:22 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 22:48:38 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:08 <Desolator> ok, zip, gzip & bzip2 cut it to 1.5, while 7zip (basically lzma) cuts it to 1.2, although it's quite slow (but AFAIK the decompression is pretty fast) 22:50:11 <Desolator> so maybe changing the compression grfcodec uses to something more efficient (though still keeping the old one for compatibility with TTDP of course)? 22:52:19 <peter__> adding support for loading grfs from zip would be best, user-wise. 22:52:25 <peter__> no doubt harder to code though 22:53:24 <Desolator> however, there are severral algorithms used with the zip format, the good ol' deflate, bzip2 and another I can't remember are the most common 22:53:41 <peter__> bzip2 is not used by zip 22:53:59 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@062249182162.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 22:54:28 <Desolator> official, but I've seen applications that use other algorithms inside the zip format, either replacing deflate or using it on specific files 22:54:43 <peter__> :o 22:55:01 <peter__> .grf.gz would probably be simplest to support, but windows users would be lost, mostly 22:55:06 <Desolator> IzArc is one example, I can use bzip2 to compress something else 22:55:48 <Desolator> well, it's a pity that all those companies make their own formats and don't supprot creation for the ones extremely common on other platforms which sometimes are better 22:56:09 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 22:56:32 <Desolator> winzip can't create gz, and I don't know if it can open, while all those freeware and free and opensource archivers supprot a ton of formats (except rar & ace, for archiving) 22:58:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F1BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:30 <icc> why does there only spawn like 1-2 oilrigs?:S 23:01:57 <icc> is there a command in dedicate console or something to spawn more? 23:02:37 <dih> :-P 23:03:29 <peter__> no 23:03:33 <peter__> they appear over time 23:04:39 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.219] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:57 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:30 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-22-236.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 23:10:13 *** Zothar [~Zothar@ppp-70-242-202-109.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 23:10:43 *** Desolator [~mircea@86.126.10.17] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:15:15 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5FE0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:58 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 23:22:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:28:06 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:50 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:30 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 23:31:58 * SmatZ tried booting into Windows and running Unreal Tournament 23:32:09 * SmatZ got ~10 BSOD 23:32:10 *** Fujitsu [~fujitsu@c211-28-49-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:21 <SmatZ> no chance 23:36:20 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:57 *** Fujitsu [~fujitsu@c211-28-49-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:46:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-212-3.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50:42 <Wolf01> 'night 23:50:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host45-58-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:54:57 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.69] has joined #openttd 23:55:50 *** peter__ [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: peter__]