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00:08:16 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:25 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 00:12:13 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf is an otaku and what colour do they have? blue? 00:12:38 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 00:13:29 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14:11 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otaku 00:14:45 <Bjarni> and for colour... they try to hide themselves by getting the same skin colour as the local population 00:17:45 <Bjarni> well... a description on how they look (if they aren't cosplaying) is dirty cloth and unwashed hair... or something 00:17:49 <Bjarni> not really sure 00:29:18 <Gonozal_VIII> openttd.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience. 00:30:19 <dih> the german db sometimes has to say stuff in english, and once said (after a delay of 20 mins or so) "we appologize for any conveniance we may have cause" 00:30:41 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 00:31:07 <Gonozal_VIII> at least they don't have much to apologize for 00:31:35 <dih> hehe 00:32:46 <Bjarni> I like what they said on the speaker here once 00:33:29 <Bjarni> train (dest and time) is cancelled today. (repeat). The cancellation is due to the fact that we lost the train and have no idea where it is 00:33:38 <Bjarni> they really said something like that :D 00:33:56 <dih> :-P 00:34:35 <Bjarni> well... I wouldn't be surprised that they actually lost the train 00:34:49 <Bjarni> I'm just surprised that they told why it was cancelled in that case 00:35:12 <dih> was on a plane once and just after take off the captain admitted that the 3rd engine nearly went up in flames on the flight out 00:35:21 <Bjarni> now they installed GPS units in all locomotives, EMUs and DMUs and it's active even when the train is turned off 00:35:40 <dih> "we wont use it, dont worry - we'll get there, it'll just take a little longer" 00:35:41 <Bjarni> so they can track them at all time 00:35:56 <Bjarni> dih: heh... sounds nice 00:36:39 <dih> anyhow 00:36:42 <dih> bed is calling 00:36:55 <dih> have a nice one ladies ^^ 00:37:16 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:37:17 <Bjarni> huh... did you guys actually read the wikipedia link I posted? 00:37:33 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-252-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:37:35 <Bjarni> Common uses are anime otaku (one who sometimes enjoys many days of excessive anime watching with no rest) <-- wtf 00:37:35 <Gonozal_VIII> no, never 00:38:17 <Bjarni> watching anime... for days... even with sleeping breaks I wouldn't do that 00:38:31 <Bjarni> hi Hendikins 00:38:49 <Bjarni> I heard the dry season is over... you should be happy now :) 00:39:11 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm... those new sand pits can run out of sand... 00:39:19 <Gonozal_VIII> how can you run out of sand :S 00:39:35 <Bjarni> well 00:39:42 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: stand on the beach 00:39:45 <Sacro> walk towards the water 00:39:51 <Bjarni> a locomotive can 00:39:52 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 00:40:06 <Bjarni> and that's not a good thing 00:40:23 <Bjarni> but it's not as severe as running out of diesel... but still you shouldn't do that 00:41:16 <Bjarni> Hendikins: are you here? :) 00:41:54 <Hendikins> Bjarni: Hrm? 00:41:56 <Gonozal_VIII> there's a gold mine :S 00:42:03 <Gonozal_VIII> in temperate... 00:43:53 <Bjarni> Hendikins: you joined a moment too late. I quoted a speech on the speaker for cancelling a train 00:44:07 <Bjarni> <Bjarni> train (dest and time) is cancelled today. (repeat). The cancellation is due to the fact that we lost the train and have no idea where it is 00:44:15 <Hendikins> Heh. 00:44:15 <Bjarni> Hendikins: have you ever said anything like that? :) 00:57:14 <Gonozal_VIII> valuables are gone but there's gold instead 00:57:14 <Hendikins> My special for yesterday is "Attention passengers on platform 1. For the comfort of your fellow passengers, passengers using personal entertainment equipment should use headphones with it - nobody else wants to listen to your music" 00:57:14 <Hendikins> Bjarni: ^ 00:57:14 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 00:57:14 <Bjarni> heh 00:57:14 <Bjarni> "keep your personal stereo personal" 00:57:14 <Bjarni> I think they say something like that in London 00:57:14 <Bjarni> basically the same thing 00:57:16 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 00:59:37 <Hendikins> Bjarni: Well, there was silence after I announced it, which was the point of the exercise. 00:59:50 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 01:00:05 <Hendikins> Bjarni: And one of the security staff loved it 01:01:16 <Bjarni> heh 01:01:45 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaand the population assertion 01:02:46 <Bjarni> Rubidium: never mind... it turned out to be high speed busses only... they look nice though 01:03:29 <SmatZ> Gonozal_VIII: nice 01:04:11 <Gonozal_VIII> nice? 01:04:31 <SmatZ> Gonozal_VIII: I wasn't able to reproduce it 01:04:42 <Gonozal_VIII> but i don't know how 01:06:02 <Sacro> mmm reproducing 01:06:49 <Gonozal_VIII> but i get the saving still in progress thing wit r11814, new game, no newgrfs every month 01:07:47 <Sacro> is Bjarne Stroustrup Bjarni? 01:08:07 <Sacro> hmm 01:08:22 * Sacro is 83% sure 01:08:29 <Sacro> that's good enough for me 01:09:04 <Gonozal_VIII> how to disable that annoying error thingy? 01:09:31 <SmatZ> Gonozal_VIII: only by recompiling 01:10:04 <SmatZ> night 01:10:07 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:11 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10:21 <Gonozal_VIII> so it was fixed today? 01:10:47 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: was it a new game? 01:10:55 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 01:11:05 <glx> and it asserted? 01:11:23 <Gonozal_VIII> yes that too 01:11:27 <glx> and you didn't restarted after the assertion? 01:11:54 <Gonozal_VIII> it terminates by itself after that 01:12:34 <Bjarni> Sacro: ãããããã¿ã€ãã§ã 01:12:52 <Sacro> :o 01:12:53 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: go on http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1335 01:12:56 <Sacro> MY MOTHER WAS A SAINT 01:13:09 <Bjarni> Sacro: so quit talking about it 01:13:27 <glx> and attach latest dmp_cmds_*.sav 01:13:52 <glx> and commands-out.log 01:14:00 <glx> (they are in save/autosave) 01:14:49 <Bjarni> Sacro: that is what you get for starting to talk about me while I look in the dictionary in order to find info for Rubidium 01:15:03 <Gonozal_VIII> i started the game with ecs active and then deactivated it in the running game to see if that caused the saving in progress stuff... shortly after that i got the assertion 01:15:10 <Bjarni> now I told you a message and you will have to work to figure out what it is 01:15:23 <Bjarni> honour what I said or die.. it's as simple as that 01:15:33 <Sacro> make me 01:15:43 <Bjarni> I just did 01:15:47 <Sacro> no you didn't 01:15:48 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: to remove the "saving in progress" stuff just disable autosave 01:15:57 <Bjarni> prove me wrong then 01:16:13 <Gonozal_VIII> buuut i want autosave? 01:16:16 <Bjarni> stop obeying what I just told you 01:16:26 <Sacro> NEVAR 01:16:39 <Bjarni> then you do honour it 01:16:39 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: you still have it (but with strange names) 01:16:51 <Sacro> it's my party and i'll cry if i want to 01:17:18 <Bjarni> looks like Sacro is lost in translation 01:18:23 <Gonozal_VIII> ah.. you added a "manual" save to the loop to track the assertion thing? 01:18:34 <glx> yes 01:19:31 <glx> so reload the latest autosave and don't disable any newgrf 01:19:44 <Gonozal_VIII> not good... 01:19:59 <glx> maybe it will still assert (use latest autosave with newgrf not disabled) 01:19:59 <Gonozal_VIII> did a lot of new game starting and fast forwarding after that 01:20:18 <glx> :( 01:20:35 <glx> next time you know what to do if you get this assert 01:20:46 <Gonozal_VIII> yep 01:21:53 <Bjarni> goodnight 01:21:57 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a4162d.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:22:17 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:18 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:26:53 <Gonozal_VIII> asserted again 01:27:40 <Gonozal_VIII> new game, 3 years fast forward... nothing... disabled ecs grfs, assertion at the end of the running month 01:29:51 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: it's probably bored 01:30:08 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 01:31:26 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:33:49 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess the command log is not very useful... the only thing inside there are the saves 01:34:41 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.152] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 01:37:25 <Gonozal_VIII> no assertion with the save and not disabling ecs 01:37:35 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess that's a different problem 01:37:44 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:27 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-213-131.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:45:01 *** waldo_ [~waldo@ip-81-11-210-195.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:54:08 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 01:56:49 *** Forked_ [~kjetil@static243-191-234.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 01:59:14 *** Forked [~kjetil@static243-191-234.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:20 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 02:14:51 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 02:27:34 <Belugas> Gonozal_VIII: "disabled ecs grfs," what do you mean? remove them from the grfs list? 02:31:49 <Sacro> @openttd commit 02:32:06 <Sacro> oi bot, answer 02:32:11 <Sacro> @openttd help 02:32:25 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 02:32:25 <Sacro> !logs 02:33:45 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-30-72.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:34:07 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 02:35:09 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-30-72.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:44:29 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5FE09.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:01:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 03:05:34 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a340-0253.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 03:49:09 *** HendikinsWork [~wolfoxout@vg28.vodafone.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:49:11 *** HendikinsWork is now known as Hendy 03:49:14 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:49:16 *** Hendy is now known as HendikinsWork 04:00:49 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i59F565CA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:07:09 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F57BDF.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:19:02 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:40:54 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 04:42:28 *** HendikinsWork [~wolfoxout@vg28.vodafone.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:46:41 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-98-23-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 04:46:46 <Draakon> hi 04:47:17 <Belugas> hey 04:48:39 <Draakon> whats up? 04:53:58 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498C586.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:45 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498C6C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:59:04 *** Jortuny [~Jortuny@d184.mertza.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Quit: Jortuny] 05:01:23 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-98-23-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 05:09:17 <Belugas> debugginh...what else :( 06:27:58 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 06:40:27 *** Osai is now known as Guest2852 06:40:28 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB68CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:40:44 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.209.238.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:46:57 *** Guest2852 [~Osai@pD9EB76A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:13:52 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has joined #openttd 08:08:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DC27.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:16:37 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-221-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:17:03 <dih> mornin 08:17:15 <dih> @OpenTTD youngest 08:29:22 *** peter__ [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 08:32:18 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 08:34:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11816 /trunk/src/network/network_client.cpp: -Fix: forgot clearing one byte, causing the passwords to differ slightly on different platforms. 08:35:29 <Gonozal_VIII> wow 08:35:57 <Gonozal_VIII> that sounds so easy 08:36:02 <Gonozal_VIII> ;-) 08:36:02 <hylje> also subtle 08:42:35 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 08:42:41 <pavel1269> hi 08:44:24 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 08:50:46 <peter__> roar 08:52:48 <Gonozal_VIII> it's coming right for us! 08:52:49 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 08:53:52 <SmatZ> morning 08:54:04 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 08:54:47 <Gonozal_VIII> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano_(South_Park_episode) 08:55:15 <Gonozal_VIII> They get around the regulations by yelling "It's coming right for us!" in order to exploit the loophole that they can kill any animal in self-defense. :-) 08:56:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's not really funny if you have to explain the joke... 08:58:03 <Gonozal_VIII> :'( 09:00:21 <peter__> i got it :o 09:01:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB68CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 09:10:37 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host166-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:18:18 <Wolf01> hello 09:18:40 <dih> hi 09:19:35 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.223.129] has joined #openttd 09:19:38 <Desolator> mornin' 09:23:09 <Wolf01> hi 09:24:10 <SmatZ> hi 09:25:38 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-92.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:44 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:35:49 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-92.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:36:55 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:43:22 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:44:38 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:44:38 <roboman> out of interest, will the win9x version run on anything earlier than win9x? 09:44:49 <roboman> say freedos 09:46:17 <SmatZ> no 09:46:29 <dih> regex it - would help 09:46:36 <dih> dos does not match win9\ 09:48:57 <roboman> ok 09:49:01 <roboman> but 95 yes 09:50:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host166-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host236-63-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:53:13 <pv2b> wouldn't be too hard to make a dos port if there were sdl for dos. also i think you'd need something like a 32-bit extender (i think?) 09:56:41 <peter__> freedos being dos, not windows... 09:56:57 <peter__> pv2b, sdl is not required 09:57:13 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:57:18 <pv2b> well, ok, you could write a custom dos graphics driver 09:57:23 <pv2b> sounds like work though 09:57:34 <peter__> allegro runs on dos, iirc 09:57:53 <pv2b> does openttd have the ability to use allegro for sound and graphics though? 09:58:06 *** TheMask97 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 09:58:07 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:58:24 <peter__> not currently 09:58:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> you should try to make the dedicated server run first 09:58:43 <peter__> there is a driver system to support different stuff though 09:58:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> then you can worry about graphics 09:58:55 <peter__> Eddi|zuHause2, good luck with tcp/ip? :) 09:58:59 <pv2b> you could use wattcp :-) 09:59:23 * pv2b has a dos machine with a tcp/ip toolchain installed on it 09:59:38 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:59:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm sorry, i might have expressed myself ambiguously... i meant "you" as in "not me" :p 10:00:07 <pv2b> shouldn't the ttdpatch run on dos though? 10:00:10 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-92.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:00:35 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-92.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:01:16 <peter__> yes, so? 10:01:36 <pv2b> a alternative if you want to play a relatively modern ttd on a dos only machine. 10:03:03 *** Flyinglord^ [~qfh@static-ip-62-75-161-163.inaddr.intergenia.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:03:13 *** Flyinglord^ [~qfh@vs161163.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 10:12:20 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 10:13:28 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:24:14 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-92.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 10:29:11 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30:55 *** Forked_ is now known as Forked 10:32:38 <Forked> hrm.. wonder whats the easiest.. cross-compile (target is win32) in linux or figure out how to get BuildOTTD to just compile the source I have, not fuss about and download a selected rev and compile with just one patch.. (don't answer, I'm surfing for it;) 10:34:54 <peter__> cygwin... or msys or whatever it is 10:35:49 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:35:49 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:48 <Forked> ye.. doesn't look like buildottd wants to play along for several patches 10:42:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82713.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:45:19 *** waldo [~waldo@ip-81-11-199-233.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 10:46:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8008F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:46:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:46:53 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 10:46:53 <peter__> yes, but buildottd just uses one of cygwin or msys, i don't remember which 10:47:10 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 10:48:03 <Wolf01> msys 10:58:38 <Desolator> actually MinGW 10:59:09 <Desolator> I'm not sure if it includes MSYS as well 10:59:40 <Desolator> (and it would only need a few bins from it: sh, make, and?) 11:00:38 <Wolf01> mingw is the compiler, but buildottd is based on msys 11:00:56 <Desolator> Forked: If you can find a web install of DX SDK, you can use my guide for MS VC++ 2k5 Express 11:01:12 <Desolator> Well, I haven't really looked at it's contents 11:01:33 <Desolator> Wofl01, do you have some experience with the Windows API registry functions? 11:02:32 <Wolf01> no, i use directly the .net to access registry 11:02:48 <Desolator> welll... 11:03:03 <Wolf01> last time with winAPIs i got headache 11:03:13 <Desolator> I know :P 11:04:28 <Wolf01> and now i'm fighting with twain32.dll to be able to acquire color images without the windows' gui 11:05:05 <Desolator> On the PSDK docs it says that the value of the registry value (still with me? :P) must be passed as const LPBYTE (const unsigned char *), and then it's converted internally to Unicode. This is fine with ANSI, but on on Earth are you going to represent Unicode strings in unsigned char arrays? 11:05:54 <Wolf01> with windows all is possible 11:06:08 <Desolator> (also, reinterpret_cast<const BYTE *>(bla) won't work if bla is char * O_o 11:06:12 <Desolator> I nkow :) 11:06:41 <Desolator> *know 11:08:11 <Wolf01> like my.computer.date.time.now works, but not dateandtime.hour.now or something like it, the second one returns 12:00:00.000 always but the date is correct 11:09:07 <Desolator> O_o 11:19:52 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2872 11:19:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host214-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:19:52 *** Guest2872 [~wolf01@host236-63-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28:11 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:29:00 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:30:56 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-156-71.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:32:53 <Wolf01> i have some questions about the 8bpp graphics replacement project 11:33:37 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.209.238.39] has joined #openttd 11:34:07 <Wolf01> i noticed that most of the graphics, especially the gui, but also road tunnels, have only different colours or are slightly different from the originals 11:34:41 <peter__> indeed 11:35:13 <Wolf01> so, if we want open/free graphics, don't they should be more different? 11:36:58 <Wolf01> in this picture http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=84132 by lordazamath is shown the differences with the originals 11:38:43 <dih> some look they have been made from scratch actually 11:39:42 <Wolf01> yes, i read, but if they have been made from scratch, why not made them different? 11:40:05 <Wolf01> like the 2 crates.. 11:40:18 <Wolf01> or the buoy with the flag moved left by 1 px 11:40:47 <Wolf01> the bin too 11:41:06 <dih> the bin does not even look like made from scratch 11:41:34 <dih> just has some color replacement ^^ 11:41:43 <Wolf01> the pointers instead are really good 11:42:47 <dih> the newspaper is nice ^^ 11:43:14 <dih> and the trophe, but why on earth are they going green? 11:43:31 <dih> some of them are a lot darker 11:51:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:54:43 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a340-0253.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 11:55:27 <Forked> Desolator: I'm on that guide now :) was just out for a bit to shop the needed drinkable stuff for tonight. 11:57:12 <Desolator> ok 11:57:33 <Forked> thanks 11:58:05 <Desolator> If you have the space and internet speed, you can dl the whole dx sdk and get rid of the docs & sample code, I'm not sure if there's a web installer for it 11:58:49 <Forked> already had it laying around :) 11:59:28 <Desolator> (also, there's a newer platform sdk availabe, I still kept the older one because M$'s genuine valiation has the worst reliability possible) 12:02:10 <Forked> 8192x128 was fun 12:02:17 <Desolator> LOL 12:02:32 <Forked> The Longest Track and then just connect everything 12:02:40 <Desolator> yea XDD 12:02:43 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 12:03:45 <Forked> I tried generating a 8192x8192 the other day too .. on my amd athlon64 x2 6400+ (3.2GHz dualcore) with 4GB ram .. lets just say that once finished (15mill + population .. 12500ish towns, biggest around 6k people) .. there was nto alot of movement on my one bus :) 12:03:48 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N897P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 12:04:25 <Gonozal_VIII> wow, i found a tt cd 12:04:35 <Desolator> hmm, who made the credits section of the readme.txt file? :)) 12:04:35 <Gonozal_VIII> somewhere in a dark, dusty corner 12:04:45 <Gonozal_VIII> no idea that i had that 12:04:51 <Desolator> tto? 12:04:55 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 12:04:58 <Desolator> COOL! 12:05:37 <Forked> mm coffee 12:07:01 <Gonozal_VIII> from pc player magazine may 98 12:11:53 <dih> hehe 12:16:06 <Wolf01> i found a TTDx cd for windows which is for dos :/ 12:17:02 <Wolf01> the windows version is impossible to find here... 12:17:49 <Gonozal_VIII> i'll test if my tto cd works in xp 12:18:48 <Wolf01> with dosbox it should do 12:21:22 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-156-71.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:09 *** waldo is now known as Guest2876 12:47:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> my brother bought TTO back when it came out 12:47:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> after we played the demo, he became totally addicted 12:47:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> that hasn't really changed since then ;) 12:48:09 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 12:49:17 <Gonozal_VIII> yay new atlantis 12:54:32 <dih> @openttd youngest 12:54:32 <DorpsGek> dih: latest: r11816 12:55:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 13:08:20 <robotboy> gnight 13:11:03 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.ip-adress.com/details.php?c=Ojo6Ok5qSXVORGN1TlRZdU5RPT06Ok1BPT06TUE9PTpUamc1TjFBd01EVXVZV1J6YkM1b2FXZG9kMkY1TG5SbGJHVnJiMjB1WVhRPTo6Ojo6Og%3D%3D <-- heheheheheheheheh nice location of my isp 13:11:10 <Forked> well this is turning out to be a pain 13:12:30 <Gonozal_VIII> you have to click on the minus a few times to zoom out... they don't have high zoom level pictures from the middle of the ocean^^ 13:12:40 <peter__> Gonozal_VIII, hah, that site gets my work's ip addresses wrong 13:13:00 <peter__> they end up about 100 metres from my house instead ^^ 13:14:03 <Gonozal_VIII> somewhere in the ocean south of africa is a bit more than 100 metres away from here^^ 13:16:48 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:39 <Forked> it wont build :\ blergh 13:18:52 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:18:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:24:35 <Forked> ..\src\ottdres.rc(58) : error RC2104 : undefined keyword or key name: IDC_STATIC <- any suggestions to what I'm missing in my visual c++ 2005 express? :\ 13:25:29 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:30:32 <glx> hmm copy afxres.h from "platform sdk/include/mfc" to "Visual studio 8/vc/include" 13:31:12 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:32:09 <Forked> ah, I see I must have messed up and got the wrong one earlier 13:32:17 <Forked> from 2,15kB to 32,2kB .. heh 13:32:37 <glx> I think you followed wiki 13:32:43 <Forked> I googled for that file though 13:33:06 <Forked> I always do something wrong :) 13:34:43 <Forked> looks alot better now, thanks 13:36:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11817 /trunk/src/ (group.h group_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Base vehicle group validity on owner, not name. 13:44:10 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-225-68.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 13:45:03 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-177-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:46:55 <LA[lord]> hmm.. you guys give me any "live" comments on GUI too? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&p=655840 13:47:40 <Gonozal_VIII> nooooo to grey! 13:47:47 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... still loading 13:48:10 <LA[lord]> what grey? 13:48:19 <Gonozal_VIII> background^^ 13:48:34 <Gonozal_VIII> (forum background) 13:48:44 <LA[lord]> :P 13:48:51 <LA[lord]> the last post anyway 13:49:21 <Gonozal_VIII> i somehow don't like that cursor 13:50:15 <LA[lord]> that's Zephyris' one 13:50:27 <LA[lord]> and had a discussion several pages ago 13:50:39 <LA[lord]> and this was the result.. 13:51:03 <Gonozal_VIII> and the fat arrows are strange... maybe that's just because i'm used to the old ones 13:51:39 <LA[lord]> fat arrows are Zephyris' too :P 13:52:22 <Gonozal_VIII> some symbols look very greenish 13:52:51 <LA[lord]> which ones? 13:53:38 <Gonozal_VIII> fist, 6th, 2nd after the missing, refit thingy.. well most^^ 13:53:38 <LA[lord]> in the same post there is a gif too, what has the original ones too... 13:53:54 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of green 13:54:56 <LA[lord]> I don't know why but what's planned to be yellow will turn green if I appl thepalette... That's wh 13:55:12 <LA[lord]> especially on the broken arow 13:55:19 <LA[lord]> arrow* 13:55:30 <dih> @openttd commit 11816 13:55:31 <DorpsGek> dih: Commit by rubidium :: r11816 trunk/src/network/network_client.cpp (2008-01-12 08:34:16 UTC) 13:55:32 <DorpsGek> dih: -Fix: forgot clearing one byte, causing the passwords to differ slightly on different platforms. 13:56:18 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, that's all green 14:02:37 <Gonozal_VIII> and the lord looked at what he created and he saw that it was too green 14:03:06 <Gonozal_VIII> so he sent out the man to cut down and poison the greens 14:04:10 <LA[lord]> Gonozal_VIII: If somebody else says it's too green too (maybe mention inthe post) then I'll think of it :) 14:04:21 <dih> bad Gonozal_VIII, ver bad :-P 14:04:31 <dih> it's too green LA 14:04:32 <Gonozal_VIII> Mchl 14:04:32 <dih> ^^ 14:04:32 <Gonozal_VIII> Post subject: Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived 14:04:32 <Gonozal_VIII> New postPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:55 pm 14:04:32 <Gonozal_VIII> Traffic Manager 14:04:32 <Gonozal_VIII> Traffic Manager 14:04:33 <Gonozal_VIII> Online 14:04:33 <Gonozal_VIII> 14:04:35 <Gonozal_VIII> Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:50 pm 14:04:35 <Gonozal_VIII> Posts: 187 14:04:37 <Gonozal_VIII> Aren't the coins and the cup a bit to green? 14:04:52 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-98-23-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 14:04:54 <Draakon> hi 14:05:09 <LA[lord]> baaahhh 14:05:11 <LA[lord]> hi Draakon 14:05:32 <Draakon> baaahhh what, LA? 14:05:36 <LA[lord]> ok.. I'll do something about it 14:05:39 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 14:05:39 <LA[lord]> !logs 14:08:23 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-156-71.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 14:10:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11818 /trunk/src/ (115 files in 7 dirs): -Codechange: split player.h into smaller pieces. 14:11:34 <LA[lord]> but the pause button isn't too green? 14:11:41 <LA[lord]> then I can use colours from there 14:11:59 <LA[lord]> it seems more like orange.. 14:12:00 <Gonozal_VIII> are you colourblind? 14:12:07 <Draakon> lol 14:12:09 <LA[lord]> no 14:12:13 <LA[lord]> my screen is 14:12:26 <LA[lord]> I've got black&hite monitor :P 14:12:31 <dih> hehe 14:12:36 <LA[lord]> black and white* 14:12:37 <pavel1269> hehe 14:13:34 <LA[lord]> actually, it should be a pretty hard to draw with such screen... 14:13:54 * LA[lord] slaps the a 14:16:07 *** Jortuny [~Jortuny@d184.mertza.swarthmore.edu] has joined #openttd 14:16:42 *** Jortuny [~Jortuny@d184.mertza.swarthmore.edu] has quit [] 14:16:48 <dih> 2008-01-10 17:51:35 <Draakon> !password 14:16:48 <dih> 2008-01-10 17:51:35 <publicserver> demons 14:16:52 <dih> hehe 14:16:57 <Draakon> oh lol 14:17:13 <Draakon> LA: blow your current monitor up and buy new one 14:19:31 <Draakon> dih: publicserver once even say gayest too 14:21:51 *** blubb [Martin@w0692.wlan.rz.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 14:22:01 <blubb> hi everyone 14:22:24 <blubb> i have a question 14:22:38 <Draakon> what question? 14:22:44 <blubb> can anyone give me a hand with openttd on ubuntu? 14:23:06 <Prof_Frink> blubb: Probably 14:23:10 <Draakon> sorry, windows here 14:23:15 <blubb> i am running linux mint (built on ubuntu) and I dont seem to get it right 14:23:42 <blubb> i downloaded the .deb package and copied all required files into the correct filder as shown in the readme 14:23:54 <blubb> and now i am stuck 14:24:10 <blubb> it says i should do a make, but afaik i dont have a makefile 14:24:15 <Prof_Frink> what happens if you run `openttd` in a terminal? 14:24:27 <Prof_Frink> blubb: No need to `make` from a .deb 14:24:54 <blubb> it says cannot open file sample.cat 14:24:56 * Hendikins nukes the OS on his laptop, and will have openttd on it later 14:25:04 <blubb> i have seen that somewhere in the forums 14:25:11 <blubb> i can look for it there - 14:25:33 <Draakon> Hndikins: lol why? 14:25:52 <blubb> thank you very much, this ist kind of awkward 14:25:54 <dih> bulbb: where do you have the file named sample.cat? 14:26:20 <Prof_Frink> blubb: sample.cat's from the original ttd. 14:26:33 <blubb> oh okay 14:26:41 <blubb> now that you ask i see that it is missing 14:26:50 <dih> and which version of OpenTDD ? 14:27:27 * Prof_Frink thinks openttd should fail more obviously if it doesn't find the files 14:27:30 <blubb> version 0.5.3.1 14:27:53 <LA[lord]> is there such version? 14:28:03 <blubb> i will copy that missing file - funny that there was nothing about the sammple file 14:28:33 <LA[lord]> there is.. I think in readme there is too 14:28:34 <blubb> i dont know i downloaded openttd-0.5.3.1-i386.deb 14:29:11 <Prof_Frink> You do know it's in the apt repos? 14:29:32 <blubb> LA[lord] it is in the readme, sorry 14:29:40 <dih> ^^ 14:29:43 <Hendikins> Draakon: Because I've done a lot of prodding, probing and generally breaking stuff (new laptop). Now that I've found what works, doesn't work, etc., I'm going to give it a clean slate 14:29:58 <blubb> Prof_Frink: right it said something about it, but the computer doesn't have internet access 14:30:01 <Draakon> ok 14:30:17 <dih> Hendikins: which os? 14:30:28 <Prof_Frink> blubb: Ah, fair enogh 14:30:33 <Hendikins> dih: Linux, with some hardware not supported out of the box on my distro. 14:30:43 <dih> uh 14:30:44 <dih> nasty ^^ 14:30:53 <dih> oh - out of the box not supported 14:30:54 <dih> ok 14:31:12 <peter__> is it supported in the box? 14:31:17 <Hendikins> dih: Correct - hence prodding, probing and breaking things. 14:31:38 <Prof_Frink> breaking things is good. 14:31:58 <blubb> thank you all! you have been very helpful :) 14:32:09 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N897P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:14 <Prof_Frink> I learned how init worked by breaking it horribly 14:32:36 <Hendikins> dih: I've been able to beat it more or less in to submission, but with heaps of cruft and still a bit of breakage 14:35:27 <Sacro> http://backspace.com/notes/images/dk_ad.jpg whoops 14:35:27 <LA[lord]> hehe.. look now, is it still so green? I hope not 14:35:33 <LA[lord]> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&p=655884#p655884 14:36:05 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:39:03 <Draakon> what is green? 14:39:11 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N897P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:39:39 <LA[lord]> check the previous pages 14:39:46 <LA[lord]> page* 14:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> "whoops" is good ;) 14:40:27 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: indeed... 14:41:00 <LA[lord]> Eddi|zuHause2: ?? 14:41:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> LA[lord]: the article about Auschwitz on the same page as the advertisement to sell "gas" 14:42:16 <LA[lord]> :P 14:45:45 <Draakon> question: when i click build many random industries in scenario editor, it builds too many, how can i change it? 14:45:46 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:46:21 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:49:29 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 14:49:45 <dih> in the difficulty settings 14:50:01 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.223.129] has quit [] 14:50:19 <Draakon> no. of industries? 14:52:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> sounds like a rather fitting entry ;) 14:55:10 <dih> i would actually think it would be 'number of competitors' that should influence the number of industries 14:55:35 <Draakon> and how that will be possibile? 14:56:15 <dih> that was meant sarcastig nitwhit 14:56:33 <dih> *sarcastic 14:56:53 <Draakon> eh 14:56:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> i thought about a similar answer, but i decided that sarcasm does not translate well over IRC 14:57:11 <dih> yes it does 14:57:19 <dih> problem here was the receiving end 14:57:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> <dih> yes it does <- that might as well have been sarcasm ;) 14:57:55 <dih> not with the message that followed it 14:58:06 <dih> that makes it pretty clear that the _first_ line at least was not 14:58:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's why i took it out of context ;) 14:58:23 <dih> meany :-P 14:59:03 * dih wonders how many wars could be started if things were commenly taken out of context 14:59:14 <dih> hey - wait a second... 15:01:05 <Draakon> ok i am waiting, but for what? 15:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> Draakon: you are surely the wrong person for this kind of game 15:01:58 <Draakon> no 15:03:05 <dih> hehe 15:03:06 <dih> LOL 15:03:44 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:04:38 <dih> Eddi|zuHause2: he might be just the right person for such a game :-D 15:04:47 <dih> enphasis on _just_ 15:05:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have to go 15:07:14 <Draakon> weee new version of ECS is out 15:07:19 <dih> spoil sprt Eddi 15:08:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't want to risk exposing you guys to get infected with real life 15:08:19 <Gonozal_VIII> again? he just released 3 new vectors yesterday 15:08:35 <Gonozal_VIII> argh rl 15:08:57 * dih tries to look at something other than his screen 15:09:02 <Draakon> what 3 vectors? 15:09:12 <Gonozal_VIII> town, mach and basic 15:09:15 <Gonozal_VIII> beta 4 15:10:13 <Gonozal_VIII> with gold mine in temperate 15:10:21 <Draakon> uh oh 15:10:27 <Draakon> i gotta download it soon 15:10:29 <Draakon> :D 15:10:55 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of new sprites too 15:11:17 <Draakon> i know theres a new closing mecanishm included too 15:11:48 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... but i noticed strange behaviour 15:12:08 <Draakon> what behaviour? 15:12:10 <Gonozal_VIII> new game... a narrow gauge rail to a forrest 15:12:32 <Gonozal_VIII> maximum transportet% was 70 15:12:46 <Draakon> eh 15:12:50 <Gonozal_VIII> in 1923 the forrest had ultimate production level 15:12:57 <Draakon> well 15:13:00 <Draakon> take it as a feature then 15:13:06 <Draakon> and keep it quitet 15:13:11 <Draakon> its a good bug 15:13:17 <Gonozal_VIII> which of course dropped the rating to ~30% 15:13:19 <Draakon> quiet* 15:13:29 <Gonozal_VIII> and production level went down again fast 15:13:29 <Draakon> darng it 15:13:49 <Draakon> are you using a patched game anyway? 15:13:58 <Gonozal_VIII> couldn't keep up with narrow gauge, the wagons only load 5t of wood 15:14:07 <Gonozal_VIII> no, trunk 15:14:18 <Draakon> as i am seeing this same behavior with patched games but with ECS Beta 3 15:14:34 <Draakon> well not like that 15:14:38 <Draakon> but almost the same 15:14:53 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe it's smooth economy setting or something like that 15:15:23 <Gonozal_VIII> didn't do a lot of testing yet 15:15:34 <Draakon> as i have No closing of Industries patch, when production is 100T and it goes to zero it comes back as it was at start 15:15:45 <Draakon> of the game 15:16:03 <Draakon> heh 15:16:14 <Draakon> file size has been increased too for beta 4 15:16:22 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm that's not good for georges vectors, they start with normal 15:16:36 <Gonozal_VIII> as i said... lots of new sprites 15:16:49 <Draakon> dont care 15:16:50 <Gonozal_VIII> powerplant and coal mine 15:16:56 <Draakon> as i hate closures of industries 15:17:19 <dih> Draakon are you the kind of person that uses /god in shoot 'em up games too? 15:17:27 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't "hate" it... but it happens too often 15:17:56 <Gonozal_VIII> but that's because map generator generates too many 15:18:05 <Gonozal_VIII> even at very low 15:18:13 <Draakon> dih: in first time of play yes to get familiar with it, after that, it gets to real banging 15:18:28 <dih> same problem with breakdowns set to 'reduced' - there are just too many 15:18:31 <Hendikins> Hrm, would it be considered weird for me to play with openttd at work when I work at a railway station? :P 15:18:45 <dih> LOL 15:18:59 <Gonozal_VIII> just try not to mix the two things up ;-) 15:19:07 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 15:19:17 <Draakon> dih: it is a different story with this game and FPS game 15:19:24 <Draakon> Gonozal: its not wierd 15:19:28 <Draakon> it good 15:19:32 <Draakon> its good* 15:19:57 *** blubb [Martin@w0692.wlan.rz.tu-bs.de] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 15:20:06 <Gonozal_VIII> there should be less industries at map generations but a lot more should open during the game 15:21:17 <Draakon> has the power plant the same sprites for the rest of the game as it has in the begging of 1920? 15:21:22 <Gonozal_VIII> at least one per year on a 512^2 map with ecs 15:21:40 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know 15:21:52 <dih> Gonozal: have a look at my competition game 15:21:57 <Draakon> wtf? 15:22:01 <dih> i on purpose set very low towns and low indus 15:22:18 <Draakon> i started a new game and all industries produce nothing 15:22:26 <Gonozal_VIII> normal 15:22:37 <Gonozal_VIII> changes after 256 ticks 15:23:13 <Gonozal_VIII> also the number or resources left in mines 15:23:25 <Gonozal_VIII> starts with 0 15:23:41 <Gonozal_VIII> i went all WTF over that at first 15:24:08 <dih> Draakon just did ^^ 15:24:35 <Draakon> still power plant has too oldish spirets 15:24:57 <Gonozal_VIII> i saw different powerplants 15:25:30 <Draakon> i try year 2500 15:25:56 <Draakon> to see what sprites are then the same as in 1920 15:26:38 <Draakon> yup 15:26:43 <Draakon> same as in 1920 15:27:40 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe the sprites depend on production level 15:28:33 <Gonozal_VIII> i saw one with a concrete cooling tower 15:28:56 <Draakon> hmm k then i start delivering lots of coal there then 15:29:51 <Gonozal_VIII> and there seem to be more breweries 15:30:24 <Draakon> sprites? 15:30:35 <Gonozal_VIII> no generated 15:30:44 <Gonozal_VIII> less strict placement rules maybe 15:31:01 <Draakon> ah yes 15:31:05 <Draakon> it was annoinyg 15:31:30 <Draakon> annoying for placement rules 15:32:18 <Draakon> how can Bank produce gold? :P 15:32:24 <Gonozal_VIII> almost never generated breweries and shipyards 15:32:25 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-221-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:33:10 <Draakon> coal mine size now is bad 15:33:34 <Draakon> too large 15:34:20 <Gonozal_VIII> you can build a station inside it :-) 15:38:00 <Draakon> i like the old one more 15:39:38 <Gonozal_VIII> well... it's hard to see that it's a mine 15:39:51 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess that 15:39:59 <Gonozal_VIII> is because it isn't 15:40:40 <Gonozal_VIII> that's the thing where coal is purified/changed whatever 15:42:37 * Hendikins builds a copy of ottd on his desktop 15:43:12 <Gonozal_VIII> does the gold mine have a blinking sprite in the southern corner for you too? 15:43:45 <Draakon> yes 15:44:04 <Draakon> and for me power plant built 2 coolings now too 15:44:26 <Gonozal_VIII> they change a lot 15:45:24 <Draakon> now one big instead 15:45:32 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 15:46:20 <Draakon> hehe 15:46:29 <Draakon> try funding a coal mine 15:47:33 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm i can't? 15:47:45 <Gonozal_VIII> too close everywhere 15:48:30 <Draakon> make a empty scenario 15:48:35 <Draakon> then fund while you play it 15:49:43 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:50:19 <Gonozal_VIII> funded... 15:50:21 <Gonozal_VIII> so? 15:51:23 <Gonozal_VIII> you mean the construction animations? that's not new 15:52:11 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.37] has joined #openttd 15:52:59 <Gonozal_VIII> now i have fast forward on and watch a powerplant changing^^ 15:53:32 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [] 15:53:47 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:54:32 <Gonozal_VIII> the smoke from the big cooling tower looks strange 15:55:08 <Gonozal_VIII> there's a part of the smoke cloud cut off 15:59:16 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@host162-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 15:59:16 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2903 15:59:16 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 16:00:28 <Draakon> sorry i was away 16:00:44 <Gonozal_VIII> nooooo whyyyyy 16:00:47 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 16:01:15 <Draakon> eating 16:01:33 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-156-71.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:16 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:09 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 16:04:34 <LA[lord]> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&p=655904#p655904 16:04:39 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 16:04:39 <LA[lord]> !logs 16:04:58 <UnderBuilder> idea for the company signs newgrf: a fence rounding those signs 16:05:24 <Gonozal_VIII> grass.. 16:05:32 <Gonozal_VIII> not only dirt 16:05:32 *** Guest2903 [~wolf01@host214-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:52 <LA[lord]> anyone comment on those three sprites? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&p=655904#p655904 16:10:53 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm it's hard to tell that that's a train 16:10:53 * LA[lord] feels ignored... :( 16:11:06 * LA[lord] not anymore 16:11:25 <Gonozal_VIII> i think it's downscaled too much 16:11:36 <Gonozal_VIII> you should start drawing smaller 16:12:10 <LA[lord]> Actually I drew it in that size 16:12:18 <Gonozal_VIII> o 16:12:20 <Gonozal_VIII> h 16:12:54 <LA[lord]> and if it was bigger then I couldn't put rails in there 16:13:06 <LA[lord]> but is it a good idea anyway? 16:13:12 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... but it merges with the background 16:13:32 <LA[lord]> because it doesn't have that dark line 16:13:38 <LA[lord]> in the edges 16:13:50 <Gonozal_VIII> the plane and the bus look good 16:14:03 <LA[lord]> it's airport not plane :D 16:14:22 <Gonozal_VIII> i know^^ but there's a plane 16:14:59 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe the train in a different colour? 16:15:18 <LA[lord]> I'll add the dark line, then it's distinguishable 16:15:24 <Gonozal_VIII> ah.. zoomed in now... you're right 16:15:47 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm green pixels between train and rails.. 16:15:51 <Gonozal_VIII> what's that? 16:16:00 <LA[lord]> dunno.. a 'typo' 16:18:17 <Sacro> goddamnit tis cold 16:18:29 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm plane is small with runway around... train is small with rail... bus should be smaller with more road? 16:18:37 <LA[lord]> actually, the train isn't aligned in the centre 16:18:44 <LA[lord]> maybe 16:25:19 *** nsdgsadgdsgsh [~Gonozal_V@N897P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:25:19 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest2905 16:25:19 *** Guest2905 is now known as Guest2906 16:25:19 *** nsdgsadgdsgsh is now known as Gonozal_VIII 16:28:39 *** Guest2906 [~Gonozal_V@N897P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:35:56 <LA[lord]> Gonozal_VIII: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&p=655910#p655910 16:36:02 <LA[lord]> You meant like this? 16:36:21 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe, yes 16:36:45 <LA[lord]> that train has evil face, don't you think? 16:37:46 <Gonozal_VIII> cthulhu face^^ 16:37:56 <LA[lord]> and the icon, where I got the idea to make the train as such http://www.ratg.org/images/floaters/icons/commuter_rail_icon.gif 16:38:10 <LA[lord]> cthulhu ?? 16:38:40 <Gonozal_VIII> google it.. 16:39:08 <LA[lord]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu 16:39:18 <Gonozal_VIII> yep 16:39:25 <Gonozal_VIII> look at the face 16:39:42 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2909 16:39:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host97-16-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:40:14 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a340-0253.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:00 <pavel1269> assert(1) will cause assertation failed or assert(0) ?? 16:45:42 <hylje> so long the expression evaluates as false 16:45:47 *** Guest2909 [~wolf01@host162-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:56 <pavel1269> ty 0 :) 16:48:37 <Sacro> pavel1269: 1 16:48:58 <pavel1269> ... :/ 16:50:58 <Sacro> 0 = true 16:51:33 <hylje> that seems silly 16:52:51 <Sacro> hylje: return 0 16:52:59 <Sacro> if (function()) 16:53:58 <reto_> heya, is Bilbo sometiimes here in the chat? 16:54:22 <Sacro> @seen Bilbo 16:54:22 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bilbo was last seen in #openttd 24 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 43 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <bilbo> or maybe add also no date at alll and "the old style" for compatibility 16:54:31 <reto_> hmm 16:54:41 <Sacro> not for a while 16:54:50 <reto_> hmm 16:55:05 <Sacro> right, i need to burn my cpu to make some heat 16:55:14 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N897P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:37 <pavel1269> heh 17:00:14 <reto_> hmm, I'm just getting the grass groth patch up to date (at least I try) 17:00:19 <hylje> growth 17:00:20 <reto_> but I'm not sure if this worth the effort? 17:00:23 <reto_> grwoth :) 17:00:25 <reto_> ... 17:00:35 <reto_> the patch was updated in october.. 17:00:54 <reto_> but the thread has been active in the last two weeks or so 17:01:22 <hylje> go for it 17:01:23 <reto_> @seen boekabart 17:01:23 <DorpsGek> reto_: boekabart was last seen in #openttd 12 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 1 minute, and 4 seconds ago: <boekabart> TrueBrain: i know how hard true pathfinding is - it's almost impossibly hard. I've written software that puts 1000's of connecting pipes in factories - automatically, not easy :) 17:01:28 <reto_> :/ 17:05:55 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-221-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:01 <LA[lord]> hello dih 17:06:37 <pavel1269> anyone see server on 83.208.140.48??? 17:07:42 <LA[lord]> it says server is down 17:08:00 <pavel1269> http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=11834 17:08:13 <pavel1269> just wondering ... 17:08:41 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [Leaving] 17:08:53 <pavel1269> i wonder if i iwll ever solve this problem :( 17:11:35 <pavel1269> maybye i know problem? incoming goes all to 3979 but outgoing go to ... 63972,49675,4530,1263,20903 -- thats like random 17:11:45 *** dih_ [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-221-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:47 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N857P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:12:15 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-221-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:08 *** dih_ is now known as dih 17:13:18 <reto_> pavel1269: wait a second 17:13:24 <Wezz6400> pavel1269 as far as I know that is normal tcp/ip behaviour 17:13:26 <reto_> pavel1269: are you talking about your firewals configuration? 17:13:35 <pavel1269> yup 17:13:38 <reto_> pavel1269: if yes, thats normal, the source port is usually choosen randommly 17:13:44 <pavel1269> hmm 17:13:54 <dih> aye 17:13:55 <pavel1269> where is the problem then ... why noone cant see me except MS ... 17:14:02 <dih> otherwise you would have troubble 17:14:22 <dih> pavell269: what are you trying to do? 17:14:28 <pavel1269> start server? 17:14:43 <reto_> pavel1269: so usually you add a rule src-host:any dest-host:<your-ip> src-port:any dest-port:<your-service-port> 17:14:58 <pavel1269> whats that? :) 17:15:03 <reto_> thats an example firwall rule :) 17:15:22 <dih> pavell: windows behind a adsl router? 17:15:27 <Wolf01> pavel1269, i noticed you are interested on keep updated some patches, do you want some others to maintain? ;) 17:15:32 <pavel1269> dih: yup 17:15:47 <pavel1269> Wolf01: which one you mean? :D 17:16:33 <reto_> pavel1269: { internet } -- { ADSL Router } -- { Your Computer } ? 17:16:34 <Wolf01> i have some of my old patches if you want 17:16:41 <pavel1269> reto_ yup 17:16:58 <pavel1269> Wolf01: what kind of patches? :P 17:17:03 <reto_> pavel1269: have you configured your router to forward that port the computer? 17:17:08 <pavel1269> yup 17:17:09 <reto_> +to 17:17:19 <Wolf01> wait, i must browse the patches folder 17:17:20 <pavel1269> thats why i can see on my FW incoming ... :( 17:17:21 <pavel1269> *:) 17:17:33 <reto_> okay, 17:17:33 <dih> source andy, src port any, forward to your computers local ip, server port 17:17:42 <dih> UDP and TCP 17:18:14 <reto_> pavel1269: I was just able to establishe a tcp connection, so I guess thats correct 17:18:27 <pavel1269> dih: dono on FW ... my router can forward both so ... done that too 17:18:32 <pavel1269> *done 17:18:37 <reto_> to port 83.208.140.48 17:18:45 <pavel1269> port? :o) 17:18:49 <reto_> to port 83.208.140.48:3979 17:18:52 <reto_> :) 17:19:01 <pavel1269> but ... tahts all ... 17:19:07 <pavel1269> *thats 17:19:15 <reto_> perhaps the server browser uses udp :) 17:19:27 <dih> pavel: what is your local computers ip? 17:19:30 <reto_> I'm trying to add your ip address manually here in my client 17:19:34 <pavel1269> dih: 10.0.0.1 17:19:49 <dih> then you need to farward to 10.0.0.1:3979 17:19:55 <pavel1269> already done 17:20:19 <reto_> pavel1269: gimme a sec 17:20:25 <reto_> openttd says that you are offline. 17:20:29 <dih> got a server running? 17:20:32 <reto_> going to sniff what it is doing.. 17:20:32 <pavel1269> yup 17:20:36 <dih> version? 17:20:42 <pavel1269> 0.6.0b2 17:20:45 <dih> @ 83.208.140.48 17:21:05 <reto_> 18:21:13.551729 IP su.schuettel.ch.49531 > 83.208.140.48.3979: UDP, length: 3 17:21:05 <reto_> 18:21:13.616446 IP 83.208.140.48.12096 > su.schuettel.ch.49531: UDP, length: 82 17:21:08 <reto_> here we go! :) 17:21:31 <pavel1269> ? 17:21:36 <reto_> hmm 17:21:40 <reto_> thats kinda strange 17:22:02 <reto_> pavel1269: do you forward UDP as well? 17:22:06 <pavel1269> yup 17:22:11 <Wolf01> uhm, since you already updated both the drag&drop purchase land and daylength, i still have the title screen random movement, the show catchement areas, some new menu items like "new game" or "edit scenario" and new features for the transparency gui, but all need more work to be fully functional 17:22:16 <dih> i'm in :-) 17:22:46 <pavel1269> lol ... 17:22:55 <dih> what? 17:22:58 <reto_> pavel1269: I think 17:22:58 <pavel1269> reto_ now tell me ... dih is loading map ... 17:23:07 <dih> well - i used the command 17:23:21 <dih> console command 17:23:22 <reto_> I think your udp browsing is somehow borken: 17:23:28 <dih> ? 17:23:44 <reto_> look, tahts the browse traffic: http://rafb.net/p/Cp0aTG79.html 17:23:53 <reto_> you see he asks from port 49531 to port 3979 17:24:17 <reto_> and right after that I get an answer, from port 12096 to port 49531 17:24:33 <reto_> but I bet the answer's source port should be 3979! :) 17:24:36 <dih> davel: you mind me setting OpenTTDLib to query youer server? 17:24:57 <pavel1269> hmm 17:25:01 <reto_> pavel1269: on what port is openttd running on your local system? 17:25:10 <dih> 3979 17:25:13 <dih> oh 17:25:22 <pavel1269> reto_ if not 3979 then i dont know :) 17:25:26 <reto_> alright 17:25:29 <dih> then it is 3979 17:25:30 <reto_> hmm 17:25:38 <reto_> pavel1269: can you start a sniffer? 17:25:42 <pavel1269> sniffer? 17:25:48 <reto_> and look what port he uses to send the udp answer? 17:25:50 <reto_> network sniffer :) 17:26:00 <reto_> download http://www.wireshark.org/ 17:26:02 <pavel1269> :) 17:26:09 <dih> what for? 17:26:27 <reto_> dih: I think the udp answer goes out with the wrong source port 17:26:47 <reto_> dih: do you have a working server I could use to compare the network traffic? 17:26:52 <pavel1269> 18:24 <dih> davel: you mind me setting OpenTTDLib to query youer server? <--- why not? :P 17:27:37 <reto_> going to use one from the openttd site :) 17:27:43 <pavel1269> :) 17:27:47 <dih> connection timed out 17:27:55 <pavel1269> dont choose marteens ... bad ping 17:27:58 <dih> are you _sure_ you are forwarding UDP to the same ip and port? 17:28:11 <dih> openttd.dihedral.de:3979 17:28:15 <pavel1269> dih: i can't choose UDP or TCP ... 17:28:19 <pavel1269> jus tip and port 17:28:21 <pavel1269> *ip 17:28:29 <dih> hehehe 17:28:37 <dih> then open up everything 17:28:42 <reto_> okay 17:28:48 <pavel1269> but i am recieving lot of UDP traffic on 3979 ... 17:28:52 <reto_> I've got an example 17:28:55 <dih> oh really? 17:29:10 <dih> your computer is or your router is? 17:29:16 <pavel1269> pc 17:29:29 <reto_> http://rafb.net/p/0rYZ2k34.html 17:29:33 <dih> and does your pc's firewall block udp 3979? 17:29:38 <reto_> no dih 17:29:59 <pavel1269> oops, now yes :D 17:30:00 <reto_> see, the first snippet is pavel1269's server, answer gets back from the wrong source udp port 17:30:05 <pavel1269> i removed rule ^^ 17:30:27 *** Lego-- [~Miranda@84.204.165.107] has joined #openttd 17:30:34 <reto_> second is another server which answers using port 3981 17:30:56 <dih> reto_ have a look at http://openttd.dihedral.de/servers/3979 ^^ 17:31:56 <reto_> yes? 17:32:09 <dih> i used that tool to query pavel's server 17:32:16 <pavel1269> and? 17:32:28 <dih> timeout 17:32:29 <reto_> dih: yes, pavels server is answering, perhaps some tools accept that answer in some cases 17:32:32 <reto_> ah 17:32:44 <reto_> the problem is pavels server is answering on a differneport 17:33:03 <reto_> pavel1269: what kind of router do you have? 17:33:09 <reto_> brand? 17:33:17 <pavel1269> whats brand? :D 17:33:17 <dih> pavel: quit the server, and have a look in your openttd.cfg file it is useing 17:33:27 <dih> make 17:33:48 <pavel1269> dih: what exactly do you want? 17:34:03 <reto_> who's the vendor of that router? linksys? 17:34:10 <dih> in your config file is a section for network 17:34:16 <dih> in there you have server_port 17:34:19 <dih> and such 17:34:21 <dih> and bind_ip 17:34:33 <dih> values of those 2 would be good 17:34:34 <pavel1269> server_port = 3979 17:34:40 <pavel1269> server_bind_ip = 0.0.0.0 17:34:47 *** Lego- [~Miranda@84.204.165.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:34:49 <pavel1269> connect_to_ip = 17:35:02 <dih> reto_: if he forwards from his router to 3979 and the server accepts, there is no reason to answer from another port 17:35:17 <reto_> dih: I don't think his openttd server answers on a different port 17:35:18 <dih> thank you pavel 17:35:29 <reto_> dih: I guess the router rewrites the address incorrectly 17:35:36 <pavel1269> dih: is that okay? 17:35:41 <dih> would not make sense reto 17:35:45 <pavel1269> ZyXel 17:36:03 <pavel1269> yxel Prestige 660RU-T3 17:36:04 <dih> that is a good make 17:37:07 <reto_> pavel1269: can you make a screenshot of your nat config? 17:37:15 <pavel1269> yup 17:37:51 <reto_> that would be grat 17:40:27 <pavel1269> mom, i dont remember how i get to my router ^^ 17:40:39 <reto_> ehe 17:40:40 <reto_> hehe 17:40:59 <Gonozal_VIII> you should draw a map 17:41:54 <reto_> pavel1269: check your ip config, try to access the gateway's ip address using your borwser 17:42:01 <reto_> usually its something like 192.168.10.1 17:42:13 <pavel1269> i have it :P 17:42:15 <pavel1269> 10.0.0.138 17:42:52 <reto_> great! 17:44:08 <pavel1269> http://pavelg.wz.cz/ottd/nat.png 17:47:18 <dih> pavel: how about redirecting _all ports_ for a jiffy? 17:47:32 <reto_> pavel1269: try to replace 3979 with 0 in the first column 17:47:37 <reto_> so 0 to 3979 17:47:49 <reto_> no wait 17:47:50 <pavel1269> i tryed and i can do taht again ... 80,21 is blocked so, np :) 17:47:57 <reto_> thats a port range 17:48:02 <pavel1269> yup 17:48:07 <reto_> nevermind then 17:48:41 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:23 <pavel1269> i have installed wireshack, what now ? :) 17:51:29 <pavel1269> and forwarded all ports :) 17:51:48 <Wolf01> there is anybody who had/has problems loading newgrfs on mac osx? 17:52:10 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has joined #openttd 17:52:18 <reto_> pavel1269: im afk for 5 minutsre 17:52:42 <dih> no 17:53:01 <dih> Wolf01: i have ppc, use os 10.4 17:53:07 <dih> and the openttdcoop grf pack 17:53:12 <pavel1269> server up ... 17:53:34 <dih> no joy 17:54:05 <dih> is the 'advertise' setting on? 17:55:14 <pavel1269> yup 17:55:18 <pavel1269> http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=11834 17:55:19 <Wolf01> the problem is in the integrated grf gui, seem that it can't find anything on /data 17:55:35 <reto_> pavel1269: does it work now? 17:55:41 <pavel1269> dunno 17:55:43 <pavel1269> test :) 17:55:50 <reto_> gimme a sec 17:56:23 <reto_> no, I think it doesn't work yet 17:56:35 <reto_> dih: can you confirm? 17:56:42 <dih> nope 17:56:45 <reto_> alright 17:56:52 <dih> try it yourself, as long as your ip does not change ^^ 17:56:59 <dih> http://openttd.dihedral.de/servers/pavel 17:57:00 <reto_> I have tried 17:57:10 <reto_> ah, using this side 17:57:11 <reto_> site 17:57:12 <dih> error message is hidden in the html code 17:57:15 <reto_> ok 17:57:30 <reto_> pavel1269: okay, wanna try to create a short network dump using wireshark? 17:57:37 <dih> it's a comment, int error number, line after that string message 17:57:45 <pavel1269> lets do that :P 17:57:58 <reto_> let me get a copy of it 17:58:18 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N857P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:36 <pavel1269> ? 17:58:41 <pavel1269> copy of wireshark? :) 17:58:43 <reto_> pavel1269: I haven't installied it at themoment :) 17:59:39 <pavel1269> so? 17:59:57 <pavel1269> sry for my bad english :/ 18:00:09 <reto_> no problem :) 18:00:20 <reto_> It'll take me a minute or so to get it running :) 18:02:41 <pavel1269> User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: smwan (3979), Dst Port: 4269 (4269) 18:02:59 <pavel1269> User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: smwan (3979), Dst Port: 63627 (63627) 18:03:13 <pavel1269> User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: smwan (3979), Dst Port: jediserver (2406) 18:03:21 <pavel1269> jediserver? :D 18:04:59 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N857P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:05:24 <reto_> noo 18:05:32 <pavel1269> ? 18:05:33 <Gonozal_VIII> :O 18:05:48 <reto_> pavel1269: do a filter on 'host: 213.3.23.38' 18:06:40 <reto_> pavel1269: i can guide you step by step in a seocnd 18:06:49 <reto_> pavel1269: start wireshark 18:07:08 <reto_> pavel1269: select capture -> options 18:07:17 <reto_> (it gets a bit noisy in here now) sory 18:07:27 <reto_> pavel1269: in captur efilter you type host 213.3.23.38 18:07:43 <pavel1269> "host 213.3.23.38"? 18:07:46 <reto_> yes 18:07:47 <reto_> without the "" 18:07:53 <pavel1269> ^^ 18:07:54 <reto_> ensure that you have elected the correct network interface in the drop down meu 18:08:02 <reto_> select start 18:08:08 <pavel1269> done 18:08:13 <reto_> you should now see a empty screen :) 18:08:18 <pavel1269> yup 18:08:19 <reto_> okay, first, lets try a tcp connection 18:08:31 *** Tino|Home is now known as TinoM 18:08:34 <reto_> connected 18:08:39 <reto_> disconnected 18:08:45 <reto_> now a few items should belisted 18:08:52 <pavel1269> 3 packets? on connect 2 on disconnect :P 18:09:00 <reto_> nice 18:09:04 <pavel1269> *3 18:09:04 <reto_> okay, now the openttd browser 18:09:10 <reto_> just wait 18:09:24 <pavel1269> omg 18:09:27 <reto_> how you should have gotten some traffic 18:09:31 <reto_> right? 18:09:39 <pavel1269> yup 18:09:40 <reto_> okax 18:09:46 <reto_> select capture stop 18:09:56 <pavel1269> done 18:10:04 <reto_> then select file->save 18:10:08 <reto_> to save the dump 18:10:41 <reto_> save the dump and send me the copy later, but keep wireshark open 18:10:46 <reto_> you can now examine the network traffic 18:10:54 <reto_> the first five or so packets should be the tcp connection 18:11:02 <reto_> then there should be some udp package 18:11:05 <reto_> both incoming and outoging 18:11:10 <pavel1269> yup 18:11:17 <pavel1269> saved 18:11:26 <reto_> okay, wanna mail it to me, or rather uplaod it? 18:12:06 <reto_> you can also check for yourself, the udp traffic should look like: 18:12:35 <reto_> reto:X to pavel:3979 (thats the incoming) 18:12:36 <reto_> and then 18:12:41 <reto_> pavel:3979: to reto:X 18:12:48 <reto_> thats the outgoing 18:12:54 <pavel1269> check it yourself :) 18:13:04 <pavel1269> but, yeah 18:13:43 <reto_> yeah 18:13:50 <reto_> you see, on your side it looks correct 18:14:09 <reto_> but from the outside, it looks like: http://rafb.net/p/0rYZ2k34.html 18:14:26 <reto_> so your router is as far s I can see responsible for all the trouble you have :) 18:14:38 <pavel1269> grrr :) 18:14:55 <pavel1269> but this is not with port forwarding or yes? 18:15:26 <reto_> http://rafb.net/p/MvtLA779.html 18:15:37 <reto_> that looks like a not-working portforwarding :/ 18:16:00 <pavel1269> hmm 18:16:18 <pavel1269> i dont understand what r u posting, so you dont have to do that :)) 18:16:28 <reto_> do what? 18:16:32 <reto_> hm 18:16:48 <reto_> :) 18:16:57 <pavel1269> posting that strange :P things 18:17:04 <pavel1269> better, what repair, what check 18:17:05 <reto_> :) sorry about that then 18:17:09 <pavel1269> nvm ;) 18:17:27 <reto_> pavel1269: can you go to the upnp settings on your router 18:17:31 <reto_> and make anther screenshot? 18:17:39 <reto_> or just write what you can configure there? if it isnt much 18:17:47 <pavel1269> yup 18:18:12 <pavel1269> Enable the Universal Plug and Play(UPnP) Service 18:18:17 <pavel1269> Allow users to make configuration changes through UPnP 18:18:19 <reto_> is it enabled? 18:18:22 <pavel1269> no 18:18:25 <reto_> hmm 18:18:41 <reto_> that really suck 18:18:42 <reto_> s 18:18:45 <pavel1269> both unchecked 18:18:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19:30 <reto_> dih: what do you think? should he try to to activate that? is openttd even using UPnP 18:19:34 <reto_> ? 18:19:47 <reto_> pavel1269: what about 'security'? 18:19:50 <pavel1269> it ottd using SNMP? 18:20:07 <reto_> no 18:20:17 <pavel1269> reto_: all unchecked except ... SNMP traffic is blocked from the WAN, thats checked 18:20:49 <reto_> pavel1269: are there different pages under 'NAT' or just the one you showed us? 18:21:03 <pavel1269> Network Address Translation 18:21:03 <pavel1269> None 18:21:03 <pavel1269> SUA Only Edit Details 18:21:03 <pavel1269> Full Feature Edit Details 18:21:11 <pavel1269> i have checked SUA only 18:21:15 <reto_> okay, can you show us full features? 18:21:56 <pavel1269> it dont want show me ... i will have to check that .... will my internet work then? :) 18:22:00 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-156-71.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 18:22:07 <reto_> yes 18:22:18 <reto_> perhaps the other forwarded service will stop working 18:22:25 <reto_> the one on 50572 18:24:08 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:13 <reto_> shit 18:24:16 <reto_> rofl 18:24:34 <reto_> damm.. 18:24:35 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 18:26:06 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 18:26:11 <pavel1269> was you sure ? :D 18:26:55 <LA[lord]> pavel1269 has left irc.oftc.net (Read error: Connection reset by peer) >>> looool 18:26:57 <reto_> I'm really sorry :) 18:27:02 <LA[lord]> :D 18:27:03 <reto_> I'm not sure anymore 18:27:17 <reto_> pavel1269: I'm reading your routers manual 18:27:28 <reto_> pavel1269: I'm not sure if the full feature mode will help 18:27:40 <pavel1269> :/ 18:27:49 *** dns [~budbot@72.48.188.151] has joined #openttd 18:27:49 <reto_> I doubt it 18:27:50 <dih> later ladies 18:27:51 <pavel1269> i made screenies while i was "there" 18:27:53 <dih> LA 18:27:59 <dih> a little fun for you? 18:28:16 <dih> search for "question: when i click build many random" on http://thegrebs.com/irc/openttd/2008/01/12 and read from there on ^^ 18:28:20 <dih> :-P 18:28:38 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-221-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:29:15 <reto_> pavel1269: I'm running out of ideas 18:29:19 <reto_> pavel1269: to be honest 18:29:34 <reto_> pavel1269: let me see if a friend of mine is online who got some experience with zyxel 18:31:52 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:31:52 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:54 <pavel1269> http://pavelg.wz.cz/ottd/nat2.png 18:33:00 <pavel1269> http://pavelg.wz.cz/ottd/nat3.png 18:33:06 <pavel1269> http://pavelg.wz.cz/ottd/nat4.png 18:34:16 * SmatZ prefers One-to-One 18:34:29 <reto_> hmm 18:34:30 <pavel1269> :) 18:34:32 <reto_> :) 18:35:45 <Draakon> uh what? dam me i forgot IRC running while playing BF2 :D 18:36:55 <reto_> pavel1269: could you see what firmware you are running? 18:37:07 <pavel1269> where? :) 18:37:46 <Forked> that looks like a zyxel interface 18:37:54 <pavel1269> hehe 18:38:09 <Forked> oh, doh.. it says so a bit up 18:38:11 <pavel1269> ZyNOS F/W Version: V3.40(ANG.0) | 03/17/2006 18:38:18 <pavel1269> thats it? :) 18:38:25 <pavel1269> DSL FW Version:DMT FwVer: 3.2.0.7_B_TC, HwVer: T14F7_0.0 18:38:50 <Forked> whats the goal? forward port(s)? 18:38:57 <pavel1269> run server :) 18:39:01 <pavel1269> *working 18:39:03 <reto_> Forked: tcp gets forwarded correclty, udp gets forwarded broken 18:39:09 <Forked> huh 18:39:50 <reto_> the zyxel config looks correct, I have no idea whats wrong 18:40:29 <reto_> pavel1269: prestige-660Ru-t3 right? 18:40:33 <pavel1269> yup 18:40:50 <pavel1269> System Name: P660RU-T3_T7 18:40:54 <reto_> pavel1269: I've read through the firmware changelogs, I couldn't see an entry that would suggest that such a bug was fixed 18:41:11 <reto_> plus a firmware update is risky, so I don't want to suggest that, it somehow sounds too extreme :( 18:41:34 <pavel1269> sure? :D 18:41:43 <pavel1269> To upgrade the internal router firmware, browse to the location of the binary (.BIN) upgrade file and click UPLOAD. .... no more actions :)) 18:42:25 <reto_> pavel1269: hm.. 18:42:40 <reto_> look, there's a slight chance it might be the solution, but I'm far from being sure 18:42:46 <reto_> I might be compelty on the wrong track.. 18:43:20 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2921 18:43:20 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@host175-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:43:20 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 18:43:35 <reto_> completly 18:45:57 *** Lego-- [~Miranda@84.204.165.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:37 *** Lego- [~Miranda@84.204.165.107] has joined #openttd 18:49:45 *** Guest2921 [~wolf01@host97-16-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:52 <reto_> pavel1269: I'm EOUTOFIDEAS 18:49:55 <reto_> pavel1269: I'm sorry 18:50:23 <pavel1269> hmm, ty anyway 18:50:31 <pavel1269> at least you found where problem is 18:50:38 <reto_> I think I have found it 18:50:55 <reto_> should I try to explain the dump I've showed you several times? 18:51:30 <pavel1269> yup 18:52:30 <pavel1269> 4. [BUG FIXED] 18:52:30 <pavel1269> Symptom: Packets routing form WAN to LAN are duplicate. 18:52:30 <pavel1269> 5. [BUG FIXED] 18:52:30 <pavel1269> Symptom: IP source address is translated to zero by NAT, if destination IP address is 18:52:30 <pavel1269> multicast group. 18:52:48 <pavel1269> should it be sometzhing like this? 18:55:40 <reto_> nah 18:55:44 <reto_> i dont think so 18:55:52 <reto_> pavel1269: here some explanations: http://rafb.net/p/sGqtPD41.html 18:55:57 <reto_> please ask if something is still not clear 18:57:54 <pavel1269> why my server send info to other ports? :D 18:58:50 <reto_> pavel1269: nono, it uses different port for sending 18:59:12 <reto_> from: Reto to Pavel: Hey, do you have a server?? 18:59:25 <reto_> from: Joe to Reto: yes, I've got a game running here 18:59:29 <reto_> correct would be: 18:59:32 <pavel1269> ^^ 18:59:33 <reto_> From Pavel to Reto 18:59:36 <reto_> ... well whatever :) 19:00:02 <reto_> pavel1269: but the network dump in your lan showed us that it is still correct on your system 19:00:23 <pavel1269> reto_: so lets say to Joe, to not distrupt our communication :D 19:00:40 <reto_> well, Pavel is shizophrenic 19:00:46 <reto_> he he thinks he is joe 19:00:47 <pavel1269> :X 19:00:48 <reto_> for some reason :) 19:01:28 <pavel1269> what if i will turn off NAT? :) 19:01:34 * ben_goodger pokes with the psychiatric pedancy stick - reto_ is referring to multiple personality syndrome as opposed to schizophrenia 19:02:08 <pavel1269> schizophrenic see ppl who doesnt exist, right? 19:02:18 <reto_> pavel1269: look here: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/ZyXEL/Prestige660HW-T3/MOHAA_MatchWatch.htm 19:02:27 <pavel1269> so reto is schizophrenic since he see joe :D 19:02:40 <reto_> hehe 19:02:42 *** dns [~budbot@72.48.188.151] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:49 <reto_> pavel1269: the config screen looks different :( 19:02:53 <pavel1269> hmm 19:02:55 <pavel1269> yes 19:02:59 <ben_goodger> actually I believe they hear voices in the head during psychotic episodes as opposed to hallucinating visually 19:03:01 <ben_goodger> but meh 19:03:02 <pavel1269> ?./ 19:03:12 <pavel1269> update firmware? 19:03:36 <reto_> pavel1269: hmm I think its a different router 19:04:21 <reto_> pavel1269: can you check, perhaps there somewhere a setting which enables an 'advanced user mode' or something like that :) 19:04:43 <pavel1269> true that one is HW i have RU 19:04:48 <pavel1269> :'( 19:07:52 <reto_> I won't buy zyxel anymore 19:07:59 <reto_> I've got a good linksys router 19:08:00 <reto_> ): 19:08:24 <reto_> :) 19:09:07 <pavel1269> reto_: http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/ZyXEL/Prestige660RU-T3/default.htm 19:09:51 <Forked> the 660ru-t3 is such a good modem too :\ 19:10:04 <Forked> it's my favourite adsl2 modem 19:10:17 <pavel1269> help me ... 19:11:25 <Forked> so under SUA .. just picking the port and selecting udp (can you do tcp+udp?) doesn't work? 19:11:43 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-98-23-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 19:13:04 <pavel1269> Forked: http://pavelg.wz.cz/ottd/nat.png where is that UDP? 19:14:25 <Forked> actually thats an excellent question. Tried telnet to it? 19:14:49 <pavel1269> telnet? 19:15:05 <reto_> pavel1269: yeah, thats another idea 19:15:17 <reto_> pavel1269: zyxel has a second configuration interface 19:15:25 <reto_> pavel1269: Start->Run 'telnet' 19:15:26 <reto_> pavel1269: Start->Run cmd 19:15:34 <reto_> then type in telnet <ip of your router> 19:15:35 <pavel1269> so what? 19:15:39 <pavel1269> good :) 19:15:51 <reto_> perhaps you can configure more on the telnet gui :) 19:16:03 <reto_> did I mention that I don't like zyxel.. ah.. yes I think I did :) 19:16:11 <Forked> sure beats tilgin 19:16:32 <reto_> got onto the telnet gui? 19:17:02 <pavel1269> yup 19:17:14 <pavel1269> "same" as in internet browser in NAT :D 19:17:20 <reto_> alright :8 19:17:22 <reto_> :( 19:18:29 <Forked> sec, asking a co-worker now .. he has that modem (we both work at our ISP..) 19:19:19 <reto_> Forked: have you seen http://rafb.net/p/sGqtPD41.html 19:19:22 <reto_> ? 19:19:40 <reto_> Forked: both tcpdumps from before and after the router 19:19:50 <reto_> Forked: plus some explanations :) 19:19:56 <Forked> in a few seconds.. hang on 19:19:57 <reto_> would be great if we could find that bug :) 19:20:02 <Forked> sort of trying to get drunk here 19:20:12 <reto_> soudns like a great idea too :) 19:20:23 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:29 <pavel1269> what? give some beer to my router? :D 19:20:41 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:20:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11819 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix: do not access the Vehicle struct that has been already deleted when removing crashed train 19:23:14 <Forked> reto_: hmm, thats a bit beyond me, sorry. I just like that modem :\ 19:23:31 <Forked> err wait 19:23:41 <Forked> is the computer 10.0.0.1 ? 19:23:44 <pavel1269> so what? some bug is in my modem eating sth? ^^ 19:23:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd have said "has already been"... which one is more "correct" english? 19:23:49 <pavel1269> Forked: yup 19:23:56 <Forked> huh, strange setup 19:24:21 <Forked> gw at 254? :) 19:24:29 <reto_> ohoh 19:24:32 <pavel1269> ? :) 19:24:39 <reto_> what ip has your router? 19:24:45 <pavel1269> 10.0.0.138 19:24:55 <reto_> hmm.. shouldn't be a problem, just a bit unusual 19:25:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11820 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix: invalidate depot window when removing crashed train 19:25:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you have a feeling you need a private class A network ;) 19:25:43 <peter__> classes schmasses 19:25:57 <pavel1269> class A ... that whan i am learning at school atm ... that sux hard :) 19:26:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, what about the english? 19:26:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> pavel1269 has really bad english ;) 19:26:40 <pavel1269> no, thats joe! 19:26:49 <Forked> doesn't really matter, I'm really crap at chinese :) 19:27:10 <reto_> well, what about the german english accent Eddi|zuHause2 :) 19:27:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's not like you actually hear my accent ;) 19:27:44 <reto_> true 19:27:55 <pavel1269> :) 19:27:56 <reto_> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2287200081489525409 :) 19:28:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> my question was which one is better... "has been already" or "has already been" 19:28:45 <Forked> pavel1269: sorry, I don't know whats wrong.. from what I got from my co-worker it forwards both tcp and udp ports when you do it as seen in nat.png 19:28:49 <reto_> i'd use the latter, but I think it depends on the context 19:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> (i believe both are valid) 19:29:13 <pavel1269> :'( 19:29:27 <reto_> "No, the system has already been installed" 19:29:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have hardly ever heard arnold schwarzenegger speaking actually... 19:29:46 <reto_> Eddi|zuHause2: well, the movie is not thaat 19:29:47 <reto_> funny 19:30:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> he doesn't speak himself in the german translation of the movies 19:30:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> he has a weird austrian dialect ;) 19:30:36 <reto_> Eddi|zuHause2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5645478043539848516 19:30:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> everybody would just laugh at him :p 19:30:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> the first page is still loading... 19:31:06 <reto_> hmm got some problems yes 19:32:10 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:32:35 <reto_> perhaps that one works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlxoyw_8I7I 19:33:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> my connection is not exactly the fastest... 19:33:28 <pavel1269> any crazy idea to solve my problem? :/ 19:33:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11821 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r11802): 'optimization assert' when removing crashed wagon in some cases 19:34:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> i only know the "interpretation" of various american comedians, who often parodise arnolds accent 19:34:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> e.g. Conan o'Brien 19:36:44 <pavel1269> Forked: may firmware update help? 19:36:44 <Forked> pavel1269: it might, but only do so if you know what you're doing :) 19:36:44 <pavel1269> well ... there is only ... upload .bin file ... nohink else :P 19:37:11 <Forked> true :) as long as it doesn't mess with the modems config 19:37:45 <Forked> brb, gonna see if I get fluxbox running 19:43:39 <Tefad> GET DAAAHHNNN 19:43:52 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 19:44:17 <Born_Acorn> Imma spyin on you all. 19:44:49 <Tefad> is the accent viewed similarly to how americans view southern accents? 19:47:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's worse... because it's not accents but grown up dialects ;) 19:47:31 <Born_Acorn> Wow, I haven't connected to here in yonks. I've got a "new" message from March 2007 19:47:46 <LA[lord]> wtf? 19:47:51 <LA[lord]> how come? 19:48:01 <Tefad> Eddi|zuHause2: hmm k 19:49:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> Tefad: if people start to talk in their local dialect, you have absolutely no chance to understand them 19:49:39 <Gonozal_VIII> wia moansd des? 19:49:41 <LA[lord]> Oeh... I updated two first posts at one thread any it took me almost an hour... Kinda creepy 19:49:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> which does not need to be a north-south difference... in ThÃŒringen you have neighbouring villages that won't understand each other ;) 19:50:28 <Tefad> nice. 19:51:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> but with increasing flexibility and over-regional communication that effect gets less over the years 19:51:11 * LA[lord] wants to do something 19:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> e.g. the northern "low/flat-german" slowly disappears 19:52:27 <Gonozal_VIII> flat german^^ 19:52:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> "platt-deutsch" 19:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a direct translation 19:52:55 <Gonozal_VIII> i know 19:53:15 <Gonozal_VIII> direct translations are teh funniez 19:53:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's not even a translation, it's just a sound-shift 19:53:35 <SmatZ> LA[lord]: you may try to fix http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1495 :-) 19:53:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> fl<->pl 19:54:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have that same shift in "apfel" vs. "apple" 19:54:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> (although the other way round ;)) 19:54:40 <Gonozal_VIII> wow :P 19:55:41 <pavel1269> SmatZ: :D 19:55:41 <LA[lord]> SmatZ: Yea, sure... It'd take me atleast five years.. 3 learning C++, one understanding OpenTTD's code and one year fixing the bug and creating several others... 19:55:52 <pavel1269> hehe 19:56:14 <Gonozal_VIII> i want to file a bug report for that bug report! 19:56:16 <pavel1269> LA: so help me :) 19:56:21 <Ammler> pavel1269: is your router "problem" fixed? I guess its because you need 3978 for the advertising server, the gui might route both types 19:56:23 <Gonozal_VIII> it doesn't have a screenshot 19:56:39 <pavel1269> Ammler: no, i will try :( 19:56:40 <pavel1269> *:) 19:56:54 <Ammler> !openttd port 19:57:06 <Gonozal_VIII> @openttd port 19:57:06 <DorpsGek> Gonozal_VIII: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 19:57:07 <LA[lord]> pavel1269: Help you in what? 19:57:08 <UnderBuilder> !openttd ports 19:57:14 <Ammler> [20:57] <_42_> Ammler: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound) 19:57:23 <pavel1269> well ... MS see me :D 19:57:47 <Ammler> ah well DorpsGek can it too 19:58:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11822 /trunk/src/ (38 files in 2 dirs): 19:58:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Replaced fixed size custom name array. Names are now attached to their object directly and there is 19:58:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: no limit to the amount of names. 19:58:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: NewGRF engines could not be renamed. 19:59:22 <LA[lord]> pavel1269: what?? didn't get a bit out of that sentence (although tried, tried hard..) 19:59:28 <LA[lord]> :P 19:59:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> he said "the masterserver does see me" [meaning outbound UDP works] 20:00:14 <Gonozal_VIII> i joined his server :-) 20:00:29 <Gonozal_VIII> not now... but back then in the days of old 20:00:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's a way too uncryptic commit message ;) 20:00:56 <pavel1269> now ... MS doesnt see me ... 20:01:00 <pavel1269> wtf ... 20:01:28 <LA[lord]> you are correct :D 20:01:42 <LA[lord]> I just tried to see your server 20:02:21 <LA[lord]> pavel1269> LA: so help me :) >>>> help you in what? 20:02:35 * LA[lord] is bored 20:02:37 <pavel1269> to get my server working ... 20:04:25 <pavel1269> with opened 3978 its broken ^^ 20:04:32 <pavel1269> more 20:04:38 <LA[lord]> aah.. You have to get xmera program, download the second addon from the list, put the 'rain' value to 0, 'grem=f667' and reset the router. Then add the patch which helps you and there you go 20:05:08 <Gonozal_VIII> du musst zuerst den nippel durch die lasche ziehn... 20:05:33 <LA[lord]> the site to get xmera: http://plaza.rakuten.co.jp/backup_msg.html 20:05:35 <pavel1269> jiste, kazdej si tu bude mluvit svou reci ... ze jo SmatZ ... 20:05:50 <pavel1269> LA[lord]: ????????????????????????????????????? 20:05:56 <SmatZ> :) 20:05:56 <pavel1269> chinese? :) 20:06:06 <LA[lord]> japanese I guess... 20:06:15 <LA[lord]> it's with .jp ending 20:06:23 <pavel1269> lol 20:06:56 <LA[lord]> the tenth answer in google for xmera 20:07:01 <LA[lord]> :P 20:07:41 <Gonozal_VIII> (that was part of a song that's about a long series of complicated actions to perform a simple task) 20:08:41 <LA[lord]> /why to do it the simple way, if you cando it the hard way?/ 20:08:47 <LA[lord]> can do* 20:10:11 <Ammler> Hi, is it anyhow possible to "preview" the GRF Slots/Groups? (having different GRFs loaded) 20:11:16 <LA[lord]> like these are train grfs and these industry etc.? 20:11:38 <Ammler> nope, like using DBSet and UKRS at same time 20:12:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> what do you mean "preview"? 20:12:18 <Ammler> is there a patch available? 20:12:24 <LA[lord]> you can use them at the same time... I guess it was peter__ who made that patch 20:12:32 <LA[lord]> I don't have the link though 20:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> you know peter__'s patches are always secret ;) 20:13:07 <LA[lord]> but he gave a link yesterday 20:13:16 <Ammler> @logs 20:13:22 <Ammler> @log 20:13:23 <LA[lord]> IIRC Draakon even compiled them 20:13:25 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 20:13:25 <LA[lord]> !logs 20:13:51 <Ammler> hmm, not availalbe 20:13:59 <LA[lord]> try older one 20:14:08 <LA[lord]> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 20:14:24 *** murray [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:28 *** murray [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has joined #openttd 20:15:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B58C8.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:17:20 <LA[lord]> I think it's this patch.. not sure though http://fuzzle.org/o/enginepool20080111a.diff 20:19:52 <LA[lord]> !!! http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35743 !!! all generous guys, take a look there 20:20:55 <ln-> you have exceeded your exclamation mark quota for today. 20:21:06 <pavel1269> who? :) 20:21:24 <pavel1269> ln is bot or human? :P 20:21:42 <LA[lord]> botman 20:21:44 <LA[lord]> :P 20:21:45 <Forked> with a minute and two seconds responsetime.. I hope "it's" human 20:22:23 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B6D13.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:41 * LA[lord] can't use flipped iiiiiii - s anymore :( 20:23:12 <Born_Acorn> They count, that'll be 32.44, thank you. 20:23:31 <LA[lord]> ? 20:24:12 <Born_Acorn> Just because they're upside-down doesn't mean they're not exclamation marks! 20:24:33 * orudge throws an interrobang at Born_Acorn 20:24:48 * Born_Acorn dies 20:25:00 <LA[lord]> wohooo!i!i! 20:25:19 <orudge> Born_Acornâœâœâœâœâœâœâœâœâœâœâœâœâœâœâœâœ 20:26:33 <peter__> ııııı 20:27:13 <LA[lord]> orudge: Sorry I can't donate myself, but I atleast advertised that thread here :P.. And lost !-mark quota for today :( 20:27:38 <orudge> oh, that was my thread you linked to? heh, didn't notice that 20:27:45 <orudge> OpenTTD itself tends to receive a fairly steady stream of donations 20:27:47 <orudge> but the forums do not 20:27:53 <orudge> maybe OpenTTD would like to donate to the forums? ;) 20:28:02 <LA[lord]> :P 20:28:19 <Born_Acorn> I've tried starting it with the commandline -donate, but alas 20:28:21 <Born_Acorn> nothing 20:28:27 <orudge> useless 20:29:43 <LA[lord]> ./openttd -donate 20£ -paypal owen_rudge 20:30:02 <LA[lord]> this should do the trick... 20:30:48 <pavel1269> la: are you still bored or you are thinking how "repair" my router? :P 20:31:24 <peter__> Born_Acorn! newdonations! 20:31:33 <Born_Acorn> I cannot! 20:31:40 <Born_Acorn> [20:22:01] <Born_Acorn> and alas, my moneys level is loooow 20:31:49 <Born_Acorn> ie £5.00 in the bank! 20:31:50 <Born_Acorn> D: 20:31:52 <LA[lord]> pavel1269: I already told you how... 20:31:59 <Born_Acorn> With more than 10 days till payday! 20:32:00 <Born_Acorn> Noooo! 20:32:04 <pavel1269> rly? where? 20:32:32 <LA[lord]> LA[lord]> aah.. You have to get xmera program, download the second addon from the list, put the 'rain' value to 0, 'grem=f667' and reset the router. Then add the patch which helps you and there you go >>> if that doesn't work, I can't help you 20:32:48 <LA[lord]> :P 20:32:58 <LA[lord]> rly, I can't help you, sorry 20:33:09 <LA[lord]> which means I'm still bored.. 20:36:24 <LA[lord]> that's a record, the 8bpp replacement thread has not had any replies for 4 hours straight :O 20:36:33 <LA[lord]> :P 20:37:03 *** Desolator [Desolator@86.126.10.31] has joined #openttd 20:37:08 <Desolator> heelo folks 20:37:11 <Desolator> *hello 20:37:20 <LA[lord]> hello Desolator 20:40:23 <ln-> aaaaargh, yet another lwaxana troi episode. 20:40:36 <Desolator> Could you recommend me a relatively lightweight IDE, or at least a powerful source-code editor? I'm currently using MS VC++ 2k5 Express, but I don't like it much because it takes forever to load some simple windows and is missing some highlighting (operators, etc.). I looked at Code::Blocks, but I like VC++'s tooltips, I hover over a type and see how it is defined, this is very useful with the W32 API. 20:41:12 <ln-> Desolator: FTE is the best text editor on the planet. but IDE it is not, just a text editor. 20:42:03 <Ammler> KDeveloper 20:48:38 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:49 <LA[lord]> good night! 20:49:06 <Born_Acorn> Strange, grain trains aren't unloading properly at their destination 20:49:14 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 20:50:20 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-130-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:21 <Born_Acorn> They empty one or two wagons and then leave 20:51:55 <peter__> does the destination accept more grain? 20:52:45 <Born_Acorn> Accept more? 20:53:02 <pavel1269> :) 20:53:15 <Born_Acorn> Has there been a change to the factories? 20:53:29 <Desolator> Ammler: I'll be doing Windows Development on Windows to have it integrated smoothly. 20:54:07 <Desolator> Born_Acorn: Peter can't know if you have some NI GRFs loaded or not ;) 20:54:33 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-178-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:54:34 <Born_Acorn> There's no newindustries at all, just your normal ones 20:54:59 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 20:55:37 <peter__> http://freshmeat.net/projects/micropolis/?branch_id=72904&release_id=269472 20:55:40 <peter__> :o 20:57:54 <Desolator> LinCity :P 20:58:32 *** asgasjdfj [~Gonozal_V@N857P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:58:32 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest2931 20:58:32 *** Guest2931 is now known as Guest2932 20:58:32 *** asgasjdfj is now known as Gonozal_VIII 21:00:28 <Ammler> peter__: anything viewable of your current work? 21:01:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11823 /trunk/src/ (engine.h oldloader.cpp): -Fix (r11822): Custom names from old TTD games were not updated. 21:04:38 *** Guest2932 [~Gonozal_V@N857P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:49 <orudge> SimCity source released, funky 21:05:15 <Desolator> Why do you guys mix .h with .hpp in the OTTD source? 21:05:52 <glx> KUDr started to add hpp IIRC 21:06:14 <Desolator> even more confusing: yapf.h AND yaph.hpp in the same dir 21:08:51 <peter__> Ammler, viewable? 21:09:05 <peter__> http://fuzzle.org/o/engines3.png 21:09:22 <peter__> http://fuzzle.org/o/enginepool20080112c.diff < patch for head 21:09:23 <Ammler> and playable :) 21:11:44 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:29 <Desolator> www...wwwwww....wwwhhhaaattt? multiple sets running at the same time? :D 21:13:06 <Ammler> peter__: anything to do or just including 2 engine GRFs? 21:13:22 <peter__> patch dynamic_engines 1 21:13:34 <peter__> before starting a game, heh 21:14:10 <Desolator> so basically you solved the issue with vehicle ids? 21:15:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:16:59 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 21:25:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11824 /trunk/src/oldloader.cpp: -Fix (r11822): Converting signs from TTD games incomplete 21:29:25 <Ammler> peter__: thats really cool! http://img10.myimg.de/zuege2b700.png 21:29:38 <Ammler> also callbacks seems to work fine :) 21:30:46 <Ammler> but maybe a group possibitly on the buy window would be fine, else you will have a really big list :) 21:31:12 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a340-0253.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 21:36:14 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a340-0253.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:58 <Ammler> oh peter, don't forget the default set... :-) 21:40:13 <glx> Ammler: http://fuzzle.org/o/origengs.grf 21:40:55 <Ammler> well, thats a alternative :-) 21:41:11 <Ammler> how about RVs? 21:43:46 <pavel1269> wow, simcity is one of best games :( 21:43:47 <pavel1269> *:) 21:50:46 <pavel1269> ottd is better :P 21:51:16 <hylje> ottd sucks 21:52:32 <SmatZ> hylje hylje don't you like ottd? 21:52:42 <Ammler> SmatZ: do you? 21:53:03 <SmatZ> Ammler: of course 21:53:10 <Ammler> :) 21:53:14 <SmatZ> :) 21:53:31 <pavel1269> :) 21:53:46 <Ammler> I like the patch from peter 21:53:48 <Wolf01> :) 21:53:51 <SmatZ> :) 21:54:08 <pavel1269> ottd dont like me :( 21:54:20 <SmatZ> :-D 21:54:24 <pavel1269> :'( 21:58:01 <pavel1269> and i was trying to be nice :) 22:02:46 <Ammler> pavel1269: still problems with NAT? 22:02:48 *** Desolator [Desolator@86.126.10.31] has quit [] 22:02:54 <pavel1269> yup 22:03:33 <Ammler> your local maschine has no firewall? 22:03:34 <pavel1269> and i dont whink i will solve that in near future(untill i will smash this modem with hammer) 22:03:48 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:03:50 <pavel1269> i have fw 22:03:54 <Sacro> now why am i not on this channel :\ 22:04:10 <pavel1269> but watching packets show that recieving/sendon is okay 22:04:14 <Ammler> Sacro: because you like ottd? 22:04:14 <pavel1269> *sending 22:04:26 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:38 <pavel1269> but sending ... if you watch from outside is broken 22:05:42 <Ammler> did you try with telnet? 22:06:00 <pavel1269> what to try? 22:06:07 <pavel1269> there 22:06:08 <Ammler> to opent UDP 22:06:12 <SpComb> oh dear, Andel's here 22:06:27 <pavel1269> Ammler: there is same as in browser ... :( 22:06:38 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a340-0253.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 22:06:38 <Ammler> not possible to choose protocol? 22:06:38 <peter__> wibble 22:06:42 <pavel1269> yup 22:07:06 <pavel1269> if i dont have opened port, how is possible that i am recieving packets? 22:07:07 <Ammler> did you google for your router and UDP? 22:07:12 <pavel1269> yup 22:07:29 <pavel1269> *recieving from that port 22:09:44 <orudge> Sacro: we're not moving just yet... :p 22:10:12 <Sacro> orudge: well 2 of us already have 22:10:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11825 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix (FS#1627): an articulated road vehicle could split up when it turned around at a corner and then would enter a drive through station at the next tile. 22:10:34 <orudge> Sacro: yes, well, you'll be missing out all of the goings-on on proper #tycoon :P 22:10:40 <orudge> there won't be an official move any time soon 22:10:41 <orudge> as in, tonight 22:10:44 <Sacro> orudge: i'll straddle the pair 22:10:45 <orudge> as I'll be doing at least a 24-hour survey 22:11:09 <Sacro> but then there's still 4 people on #openttd on freenode! 22:11:42 <orudge> really? 22:11:45 <orudge> I've not been in freenode for yonks 22:12:03 <Sacro> i am in a few channels there 22:13:55 * Prof_Frink is in one quakenet, one oftc, four freenode and three blitzed 22:14:48 <pavel1269> Ammler: i am thinking about firmware update ... what do you think? :P 22:14:55 *** peter__ is now known as peter1138 22:15:10 <Prof_Frink> Yay! peter1138 is back in business! 22:15:26 <orudge> o/ 22:15:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 22:15:36 <Sacro> :D 22:15:38 <Ammler> pavel1269: did you read that on a html page? 22:15:49 <pavel1269> what? 22:16:12 <Ammler> about needing for upgrading firmware? 22:16:32 <pavel1269> no 22:16:47 <pavel1269> everyone just forward ports as i did and okay ... 22:17:44 <Ammler> I had never a router without possibilty to choose from TCP and UDP 22:19:01 <Ammler> or if I had, UDP was same 22:19:58 <pavel1269> http://www.zyxel.com/web/product_family_detail.php?PC1indexflag=20040812093058&CategoryGroupNo=F9619EE6-1FB3-48FB-B68E-7773E95FF97F 22:20:54 <peter1138> implement upnp support? :D 22:21:07 <peter1138> i think that should do it 22:21:25 <pavel1269> hmm 22:21:31 <Sacro> pavel1269: i recognise that router 22:21:39 <Sacro> we use Zxyel ones at work 22:21:41 *** Prof_Frink is now known as ProfFrink 22:21:55 *** Sacro is now known as Prof_Frinl 22:21:57 *** Prof_Frinl is now known as Prof_Frink 22:22:50 <pavel1269> lets try :) 22:23:05 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a340-0253.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:10 *** Prof_Frink is now known as Guest2944 22:23:10 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 22:23:10 <Guest2944> pavel1269: what are you trying to do? 22:23:17 *** Guest2944 is now known as Sacro 22:23:27 <pavel1269> to get working server ... 22:23:35 <Sacro> hmmm 22:23:48 <ln-> just for the record, i'm not there 22:23:51 <Sacro> did you open the port in the firewall? W->L section 22:23:59 <Sacro> ln-: good, cos I can't see you 22:24:07 * Eddi|zuHause2 makes record 22:24:11 <pavel1269> w->l ??? 22:24:33 <pavel1269> peter1138: upnp didnt help ;) 22:25:06 <Sacro> pavel1269: wan -> lan 22:25:17 <Sacro> or DMZ the whole thing, but make sure you have a good firewal 22:25:26 * Sacro recalls that he does't have a firewall :o 22:25:35 <peter1138> pavel1269, of course not, openttd doesn't do it 22:25:46 <pavel1269> <- kerio 22:26:28 <pavel1269> firewall ... no FW on router .. on pc, allowed for OTTD 22:26:42 <Sacro> we could implement libuPNP 22:26:47 <Forked> Sacro: doesn't really work if you have more than one computer behind the router, or does it? I've never tried.. say you have one WAN IP .. and you DMZ one computer.. does the router then forward all ports to ocmputer1 while computer 2 and 3 can still use the mighty internet? 22:26:54 <Sacro> pavel1269: are you sure the router doesn't have one? 22:26:59 <Sacro> Forked: yes 22:27:06 <pavel1269> at least i cant setup it ... 22:27:09 <Sacro> i have my desktop as DMZ 22:27:17 <Sacro> but i forward 22,80,443 to my server 22:28:11 <pavel1269> :-/ 22:28:25 <pavel1269> what if i have FW on router? how can i acces him? 22:28:27 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 22:28:32 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 22:29:15 <ln-> where is the Bjarniest person of the channel? 22:29:24 <Sacro> ln-: denmark 22:29:30 <ln-> most likely 22:29:41 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 22:31:11 *** peter1138 is now known as petern 22:31:14 <Forked> Sacro: so it forwards everything except those 3 ports to your desktop? 22:31:30 <Sacro> Forked: yep 22:31:33 <Forked> hm, nice 22:32:47 <Forked> oh sweet, thanks for the update to the daylengt patch, pavel =) 22:32:59 <pavel1269> heh, yw 22:38:54 <Gonozal_VIII> not trunkify it 22:38:57 <Gonozal_VIII> -t 22:39:00 <Gonozal_VIII> +w 22:39:03 <Gonozal_VIII> now 22:39:05 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 22:39:21 <Gonozal_VIII> bad fingers type wrong words 22:40:10 <Forked> meh, wont work with bilbos latest extra-large-maps 22:40:14 <Forked> note to self: learn some basic coding 22:41:04 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-234-91.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 22:41:07 <pavel1269> wats wrong? 22:41:10 <pavel1269> *whats 22:42:25 <Forked> according to svn (and the compiler:) src/genworld_gui.cpp has changed in a way from rev 11781 to 11814 that the patch applied on rev 11781 messes things up 22:42:26 <ln-> *what's 22:42:49 <pavel1269> so update it ... 22:44:45 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=35747 22:46:07 <Forked> pavel1269: see, thats where I'm clueless (and useless) as of now =p 22:46:25 <pavel1269> hehe 22:47:53 <pavel1269> gn 22:47:57 <Forked> night 22:48:04 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-225-68.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:11 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 22:51:25 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-234-91.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:54:27 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 22:55:01 <Sacro> mmmh 22:55:16 <petern> (c) 22:55:18 <Gonozal_VIII> the h goes first! 22:55:30 <petern> sacro is backwards :o 22:56:53 <Sacro> indeed 22:57:23 <petern> orcas 22:58:16 <Gonozal_VIII> ha! sacro is multiple whales 22:58:58 <petern> you know what they say about whales, don't you? 22:59:03 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.hickerphoto.com/data/media/42/orca_whales_T8067.jpg <-- i found a picture of him 23:02:11 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-255-40.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 23:05:31 *** dns [~budbot@72.48.188.40] has joined #openttd 23:05:53 <Sacro> oh the heat 23:05:57 * Sacro rubs his legs 23:07:09 <ben_goodger> go southern hemisphere! 23:07:41 <Gonozal_VIII> northern rules! 23:08:50 <ben_goodger> well, I live in the north, but evidently sacro is either in an equatorial zone or the southern hemisphere 23:09:01 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 23:09:09 <Gonozal_VIII> not really^^ 23:09:48 <ben_goodger> "oh the heat... /me rubs his legs" indicates warmth... 23:09:55 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a340-0253.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 23:10:14 <ben_goodger> since it's mid-winter in the north, the location of heat is in the south 23:10:31 <ben_goodger> additionally, the degree of heat is extreme 23:10:40 <Gonozal_VIII> ah the heat thing.. he lives in a cardboard box and has a barrel where he burns stuff to heat himself... i guess he put too much stuff into the fire 23:10:42 <ben_goodger> so I estimate that sacro is located in australia 23:10:43 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 23:11:09 <ben_goodger> and yet his whois says sverige 23:11:13 <ben_goodger> typical... 23:11:14 <petern> sacro's heating is several computers... 23:11:32 <ben_goodger> go sweden, nonetheless 23:12:02 <Prof_Frink> petern: They're whelsh? 23:12:04 <ben_goodger> I'd like to move to norrköping, possibly 23:12:15 <Andel> Sacro is defo not in Aussie 23:12:21 <Andel> he is in a hot place though 23:12:21 <petern> not swedish 23:12:30 <Andel> because where he is can be considered "Hell" 23:12:33 <petern> Prof_Frink, obviously 23:12:40 <Gonozal_VIII> the australien part of hull 23:12:46 <petern> Kingston-upon-Hell? 23:12:55 <ben_goodger> hm 23:12:57 <Andel> that would be it 23:13:08 <ben_goodger> evidently I read IRC's whois data wrongly 23:13:28 <ben_goodger> I cannot imagine anyone is warm in hull 23:14:56 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N857P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 23:16:33 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N857P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:17:08 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.37] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:05 <Sacro> ben_goodger: so where do you think i'm from? 23:21:46 <Sacro> considering my ISP is only 1 city, 1 town and about half a dozen villages 23:22:21 <ben_goodger> your whois says kingston-upon-hell 23:22:47 <ben_goodger> I previously misread the IRC whois, the server being located in sweden 23:23:38 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 23:29:44 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:44 <Sacro> zomg, jonisdead 23:32:59 <Gonozal_VIII> whokilledhim 23:33:14 <Prof_Frink> peer. 23:33:19 <Gonozal_VIII> :O 23:33:23 <Gonozal_VIII> did not! 23:33:35 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: he died in a car accident 23:33:41 <Gonozal_VIII> ah ok 23:33:46 <Sacro> actually 23:33:49 <Sacro> that was paulisdead 23:34:17 *** dns [~budbot@72.48.188.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-177-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:36:27 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-221-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:48 <dih> :-) 23:37:25 <dih> @openttd youngest 23:37:25 <DorpsGek> dih: latest: r11825 23:37:38 <dih> @openttd commit 11825 23:37:38 <DorpsGek> dih: Commit by rubidium :: r11825 trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp (2008-01-12 22:10:00 UTC) 23:37:39 <DorpsGek> dih: -Fix (FS#1627): an articulated road vehicle could split up when it turned around at a corner and then would enter a drive through station at the next tile. 23:37:46 <dih> @openttd commit 11824 23:37:47 <DorpsGek> dih: Commit by peter1138 :: r11824 trunk/src/oldloader.cpp (2008-01-12 21:25:04 UTC) 23:37:48 <DorpsGek> dih: -Fix (r11822): Converting signs from TTD games incomplete 23:38:09 <dih> @openttd commit 11823 23:38:10 <DorpsGek> dih: Commit by peter1138 :: r11823 /trunk/src (engine.h oldloader.cpp) (2008-01-12 21:01:27 UTC) 23:38:11 <DorpsGek> dih: -Fix (r11822): Custom names from old TTD games were not updated. 23:38:16 <dih> @openttd commit 11822 23:38:16 <DorpsGek> dih: Commit by peter1138 :: r11822 /trunk/src (38 files in 2 dirs) (2008-01-12 19:58:06 UTC) 23:38:17 <DorpsGek> dih: -Codechange: Replaced fixed size custom name array. Names are now attached to their object directly and there is 23:38:18 <DorpsGek> dih: no limit to the amount of names. 23:38:19 <DorpsGek> dih: -Fix: NewGRF engines could not be renamed. 23:40:17 <Wolf01> dih http://hg.openttd.org:8000/svn/trunk.hg/shortlog 23:41:05 <dih> sweet 23:41:07 <dih> thank you 23:42:54 <Ammler> dih: http://img10.myimg.de/zuege2b700.png 23:43:08 <Ammler> or even many RV sets 23:43:20 <Sacro> i like this 23:43:29 <dih> heh 23:43:32 <dih> that is nice 23:43:51 <dih> you needed a patch for that right? 23:44:12 <Ammler> yes, peter posted it some time ago 23:44:23 <dih> nice 23:44:25 <dih> that is sweet 23:44:37 <dih> so you could run narrow and standard gauge at the same time 23:44:47 <dih> but then you would want to have to build different tracks too ^^ 23:44:55 <Ammler> [22:09] <peter__> http://fuzzle.org/o/enginepool20080112c.diff < patch for head 23:45:03 <Ammler> [22:13] <peter__> patch dynamic_engines 1 23:45:10 <Gonozal_VIII> i have narrow gauge and standard gauge in my games 23:45:16 <Gonozal_VIII> narrow gauge replace maglev 23:45:35 <Ammler> dih: you can that already without this 23:45:59 <Ammler> ie. you use normal rail for narrow and erail for normal 23:46:36 <Ammler> or in serbianset you are using maglev for narrow gauge 23:46:47 <dih> ah 23:46:48 <dih> ok 23:46:49 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, serbian set 23:46:58 <dih> that was the one i was thinking 23:46:59 <dih> of 23:47:11 <Ammler> parameter 4 23:47:30 <Ammler> just read the GRF Table on our wiki page 23:47:39 <dih> ^^ 23:48:02 <Ammler> I know, I did that only for myself :) 23:48:21 <Gonozal_VIII> i did lots of modifications to the narrow gauge grf to fit to newterrain and replace the autorail, depot and convert buttons/cursors too 23:48:45 <Gonozal_VIII> but i couldn't get it to replace the strings 23:48:53 <Gonozal_VIII> so it's still maglev construction... 23:49:16 * petern hides his patches directory 23:49:19 <Gonozal_VIII> but i don't care about that 23:49:39 <Ammler> hehe 23:50:00 <petern> also, bye 23:50:04 <dih> cu 23:50:07 <dih> your up late ^^ 23:50:14 <petern> :o 23:50:17 *** petern [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 23:50:23 <dih> lol 23:50:38 <Wolf01> 'night 23:50:40 <Gonozal_VIII> i also have newwater water combined with newterrain land and coast and modified stolen trees with growth states :-) 23:50:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:52:18 * dih waves good night to all 23:52:23 <Gonozal_VIII> night 23:52:29 <Ammler> gn all 23:52:38 <Gonozal_VIII> was a lot of work combining all that stuff but it looks nice :-) 23:52:49 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-221-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:06 <Ammler> Gonozal_VIII: you share your work with the original authors? 23:54:28 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm i didn't give it to others because i used their stuff... but you're right i should give it to them 23:55:35 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm that's complicated, got stuff from a dozen different authoes combined in one grf 23:55:45 <Gonozal_VIII> -e+r 23:56:17 <Ammler> :-) 23:56:39 <Ammler> complicated but doable 23:57:15 <Ammler> or you could make thread and ask for permission... 23:57:33 <Ammler> like I did for #openttdcoop grf pack 23:59:50 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm it only works in combination with other grfs that i modified