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00:00:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C8DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:09 <ln-> pv2b: you have to assume certain axioms of what soldiers should be, or else it gets ridiculous and others laugh at you. (like everyone laughs at the swedish army.) 00:00:19 *** NukeBuster [~opera@82-169-117-23.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 00:00:32 <pv2b> ln-: i don't think epople laugh at the swedish army because they allow soldiers with long heir. 00:00:35 <pv2b> hair. 00:00:42 <pv2b> they laugh because it's majorly underfunded 00:00:45 <Eddi|zuHause> in germany, the rule is, you either shave, or have a _real_ beard, not some 3-days-unshaved look 00:00:59 <Bjarni> makes sense 00:01:19 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:01:25 <Bjarni> but how do you go from no beard to a full beard if you aren't allowed to pass the 3 day stage? 00:01:26 <ln-> the long hair thing is one of the stereotypical first impressions of the swedish army. 00:01:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and if you have a beard, it may not interfere with the working of the gas mask 00:01:32 <Gonozal_VIII> i can't grow a beard :'( 00:01:45 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: why not? 00:01:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: during holidays 00:01:54 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause: no going outside for 2 weeks while you transition? xD 00:01:54 <pv2b> ln-: anyway, a perception of weakness is a good thing. it makes the enemy underestimate you. then you kick their ass. 00:01:55 <Gonozal_VIII> always red blonde stuff that looks stupid 00:01:56 <Bjarni> isn't it really simple... quit shaving 00:01:58 <Gekz> or, purchase a BSD manual 00:02:04 <Gekz> you instantly get a 50cm beard. 00:02:10 <Bjarni> hehe 00:02:20 <pv2b> Gekz: what manual do i need to buy to get the same length increase to other body parts? 00:02:23 <Gekz> and you suddenly have the urge to homebrew beer 00:02:30 *** Gonozal_VIII was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [my beard doesn't look stupid] 00:02:36 <Gekz> pv2b: Rofltard's Guide to the Universe 00:02:58 <Gekz> I for one would not like a half-a-metre long dong. 00:03:01 <Gekz> that would just shit me. 00:03:14 <Bjarni> your beard would shit on you? 00:03:19 <Gekz> ... 00:03:23 <pv2b> exactly. i just need to know what to avoid. 00:03:26 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N956P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:03:31 <Gonozal_VIII> straaaange 00:03:32 <Gekz> pv2b: lol 00:03:39 <Gonozal_VIII> i saw myself getting kicked 00:03:51 <Gekz> And? 00:03:53 <Gekz> everyone does. 00:03:54 <pv2b> Gekz: this is normal 00:03:55 <pv2b> er 00:03:56 <Gonozal_VIII> and client didn't realise that it was me so no rejoin 00:04:10 <pv2b> maybe you turned off autorejoin 00:04:19 <Gonozal_VIII> [01:02:30] *** Gonozal_VIII has been kicked from #openttd by Bjarni: my beard doesn't look stupid 00:04:19 <Gonozal_VIII> [01:02:44] Guest3821: huh? 00:04:19 <Gonozal_VIII> [01:02:51] Guest3821: why am i still here? 00:04:19 <Gonozal_VIII> [01:03:26] *** Gonozal_VIII has joined #openttd. 00:04:26 <pv2b> ah 00:04:30 <pv2b> it thinks youre still guest3821 00:04:32 <Gekz> lol 00:04:42 <Bjarni> lol 00:04:44 <pv2b> use a real irc client 00:05:04 <Bjarni> that's just awesome 00:05:07 <SmatZ> :)))))) 00:05:25 <ln-> i'm not 100% certain this is politically correct, but gives a short introduction to swedish military history: http://youtube.com/watch?v=leRsWGF3mSc 00:05:25 <Gekz> I am too l33t for this ircd. 00:06:15 <NukeBuster> Hey guys, 00:06:28 <NukeBuster> What do you think of http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35806? 00:06:30 <Bjarni> ln-: hehe 00:07:15 <Eddi|zuHause> if i only had bandwidth spare... 00:07:32 <Bjarni> actually Sweden ended up getting in a really bad situation during WW2. Germany wanted to send trains though Sweden to supply their troops in Norway. If they agreed then they would help Hitler. If they refused then they would be attacked by Hitler 00:08:01 <Bjarni> and they made a solution based on Swedish logics 00:08:17 <Bjarni> soldiers and weapons aren't allowed on board the same train 00:08:31 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 00:08:41 <Bjarni> if they promised that then they could use the Swedish rails 00:09:02 <Gonozal_VIII> makes a lot of sense... 00:09:15 <Bjarni> one ammunition train blew up once... officially because ammo is dangerous 00:09:20 <Eddi|zuHause> better than the austrian variant ;) 00:09:23 <Bjarni> however no real investigation were ever started 00:09:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause> 99% of the population voted to join 00:09:46 <Bjarni> so? 00:09:53 <Gonozal_VIII> as if there was any other choice 00:09:56 <Bjarni> it's not like it was against the will of the population 00:10:16 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it was against half a dozen international treaties and stuff... 00:10:26 <pv2b> words on a paper. 00:10:36 <Gonozal_VIII> they're currently advertising for reprints of austrian newspapers from 38-45 00:10:51 <Bjarni> really? 00:10:56 <Bjarni> for how much? 00:11:07 <Gonozal_VIII> they didn't say that 00:11:27 <Bjarni> will they send them across boarders if ordered from here? 00:11:35 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah. like they negotiated the last rate of reparation of the versailles treaty down to a few million Reichsmark... which germany is still due 00:11:35 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess so 00:12:52 * Bjarni wonders about those newspapers 00:13:07 *** NukeBuster [~opera@82-169-117-23.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has left #openttd [] 00:13:14 <Bjarni> the question is if I should spend the needed time to read them 00:13:15 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-37-141.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:13:22 <Bjarni> could be interesting 00:13:32 <Bjarni> but so many other things could be interesting 00:14:09 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:17 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.lbihs.at/PaweronschitzNachRichten.pdf 00:14:44 <Chrill> I can't read German :o 00:14:58 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni can 00:15:08 <Chrill> But he's not as sexy as I am 00:15:25 <ln-> hint: if you are going to join a military alliance with germany, it's better to have your leader sign it on behalf of himself, not on behalf of the state. 00:15:56 <dih> night 00:16:01 <Chrill> gn 00:16:02 <ln-> so when it is necessary to get rid of the alliance, it is enough for just the leader to resign. 00:16:12 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-224-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:16:52 <Bjarni> hehe 00:16:54 <Bjarni> good point 00:17:10 <Chrill> But if you'd sign it with random citizen's name 00:17:13 <Chrill> it'd be even easier 00:17:32 <Chrill> What is an average citizen worth to a big nation like that? :O 00:17:52 <pv2b> Bjarni: latest nightly doesn't start on this imac im sitting at btw. known bug? 00:18:02 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18:06 <Gonozal_VIII> what's the signature of a random citizen worth for an alliance? 00:19:10 <Bjarni> pv2b: intel Leopard? 00:19:19 <pv2b> Bjarni: yes 00:19:25 <Bjarni> known issue 00:19:32 <ln-> pv2b: use the PPC binary 00:19:42 <Bjarni> the nightly build server has a buggy linker :( 00:19:59 <Bjarni> and we have problems replacing it 00:20:09 <Bjarni> it only affects Leopard though 00:21:07 <Gekz> why cant you just have two linkers? 00:21:27 <Gekz> and when ld needs to be called specify LD=this-noobish-binary 00:21:44 <Bjarni> that's not the issue 00:21:52 <Bjarni> the issue is to get a linker to work with Leopard 00:22:41 <Bjarni> basically we need to update the linker but we can't find the source for a version that's recent enough 00:22:48 <Gekz> oh 00:22:56 <Gekz> well what's the linker you need and the versiom 00:23:02 <Gekz> I have my ways to find these things -_- 00:23:16 <Bjarni> well 00:23:36 <Bjarni> the problem is that the guys releasing the source lacks a maintainer 00:23:45 <Gekz> lol. 00:23:56 <Bjarni> so they didn't release anything that's recent enough 00:24:01 <Bjarni> meaning we have a problem 00:24:02 <Gekz> lovely. 00:24:07 <Gekz> there's no alternative? 00:24:19 <Bjarni> not that I know of 00:24:38 <pv2b> Bjarni: is this "official apple code"? 00:24:56 <Bjarni> no 00:25:18 <Bjarni> for some reason this linker is not part of the released source from Apple 00:25:39 <Bjarni> don't ask me why they give the source for all compilers and stuff and not the linker 00:26:04 <pv2b> cant you run the binary linker from osx? but i guess your build machine is a non-osx machine 00:26:25 <Bjarni> it's gentoo 00:26:33 <Bjarni> if it were a mac then there would be no problem 00:26:44 <Bjarni> just download an Xcode update for free 00:26:54 <Bjarni> Xcode 2.2 or newer will do the trick 00:26:59 <Bjarni> and avoid this issue 00:30:10 <Bjarni> http://odcctools.darwinports.com/ <-- this is the one 00:30:37 <pv2b> not fixed in svn either? 00:32:50 <Bjarni> add support for 64-bit darwin targets <-- I wonder if this could be it 00:32:56 <Bjarni> or "add x86_64 diffs" 00:33:06 <Bjarni> it's worth a try 00:33:12 <pv2b> mm. 00:33:23 <pv2b> or try building for 32-bit on osx/intel 00:33:24 <Bjarni> newest commit is from 2006 00:33:56 <pv2b> or is is already on 32-bit? i dunno 00:33:57 <fjb> Are rivers generated on a random map with the last commit? 00:34:06 <Bjarni> it is 00:34:20 <Gonozal_VIII> no fjb 00:34:20 <pv2b> unlikely to be that then 00:34:27 <Bjarni> agreed 00:34:34 <pv2b> 'Update tarballs for Xcode 2.4' 00:34:39 <pv2b> you said 2.2 was good enough? 00:34:51 <pv2b> what is the version of the current linker? 00:35:11 <Bjarni> oh wait 00:35:19 <Bjarni> the tarball is based on the newest commit 00:35:26 <pv2b> ... yay. 00:35:49 <Bjarni> well... I have to ask TB about this again. He is the one actually installing the stuff 00:36:01 <Bjarni> he said he would try and then I haven't heard from him since 00:36:11 <Bjarni> basically because I didn't contacted him 00:36:31 <Bjarni> but since the binary is still broken I guess it didn't work 00:37:57 <pv2b> here's a fork -- http://iphone-dev.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/odcctools/ 00:37:59 <pv2b> tried that? 00:38:13 <pv2b> seems to be a fork at least 00:38:13 <Bjarni> iphone... 00:38:32 <pv2b> sure, but the iphone runs a stripped down osx 00:38:35 <pv2b> i bet the linker still works for it 00:38:41 <ln-> Bjarni: we demand the iPhone version of OTTD to be ready by tomorrow! 00:39:02 <Bjarni> somebody already made it 00:39:06 <Bjarni> I think 00:39:47 <Bjarni> http://www.iphone-hacks.com/2008/01/13/openttd-ported-to-the-iphone/ 00:40:56 <ln-> cool. well in that case the demand is not at all unreasonable, is it? 00:41:47 <Bjarni> donate the hardware to me and I will look at making an official port 00:42:10 * Sacro prods Bjarni 00:43:00 <Bjarni> the problem is the resolution 00:43:03 <pv2b> Bjarni: anyway, do try that fork of the linker -- sure it has some arm crap in there, but it might be fixed 00:43:11 <Bjarni> we still lack proper support for such small displays 00:43:16 <pv2b> not to mention text entry 00:43:28 <pv2b> that should be relatively easy though 00:44:57 <Bjarni> well 00:51:20 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:51:20 *** HUNRusty [~rusty@mmolnar.martos.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 00:51:32 <HUNRusty> hi all! 00:52:12 <HUNRusty> can anybody help me with on_server_connect.scr 00:52:13 <HUNRusty> _ 00:52:15 <HUNRusty> ? 00:53:05 <Sacro> yeah, anybody can 00:53:25 <HUNRusty> thanx :) 00:53:47 <HUNRusty> i read about all i could find on wiki and forum but it still doesnt work 00:54:05 <HUNRusty> i have suse 10.3 00:54:41 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf compile succeeded.. that's strange 00:54:44 <HUNRusty> i put the scripts folder in the folder of binary and next to the data folder 00:55:00 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: quick, call it beta4 00:55:14 <HUNRusty> but nothing 00:55:32 <Gonozal_VIII> buildottd actually worked for me... never did that before 00:55:37 <HUNRusty> any idea? 00:58:04 <HUNRusty> then i should come back later.... 00:58:32 <HUNRusty> bye 00:58:39 *** HUNRusty [~rusty@mmolnar.martos.bme.hu] has left #openttd [] 01:16:51 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 01:25:57 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i think i'll switch back to kde 3.5, there are still too many annoyances... 01:33:30 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:29 <mcbane> can anyone tell me how that with the rivers work? 01:39:07 <mcbane> i have the latest nightly and the river grf added. what else i need to do? 01:40:22 <Gonozal_VIII> only works in the scenario editor for now 01:40:44 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:42:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74681.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:43:49 *** wnight [~r00t@s01060012171a40a9.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:10 *** wnight [~r00t@S01060012171a40a9.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 01:45:04 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-27.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 01:54:49 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c3a.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00:30 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E4B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09:14 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 02:15:33 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:25:01 *** BloodyRose [~c@89.250.146.155] has joined #openttd 02:25:11 <BloodyRose> hello 02:25:29 <BloodyRose> I came here to get some help.. 02:26:28 <BloodyRose> I just unpacked latest beta and have a problem with fonts. I have read readme and added Tahoma words to my cfg file, but fonts are still corrupted 02:26:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> so, did you find any? 02:26:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> what do you mean with corrupted? 02:27:14 <BloodyRose> I see just symbols like ????????? 02:27:28 <glx> then you failed setting fonts in openttd.cfg :) 02:27:54 <glx> what did you do? 02:28:36 <BloodyRose> I added Tahoma to my cfg file 02:29:09 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:29:21 <BloodyRose> I already had cfg file and added Tahoma after such strokes: small_font = 02:30:00 <BloodyRose> here's part of my config 02:30:01 <BloodyRose> small_font = Tahoma 02:30:02 <BloodyRose> medium_font = Tahoma 02:30:02 <BloodyRose> large_font = Tahoma 02:31:05 <BloodyRose> I did sumthin wrong or what? 02:32:56 <glx> try openttd -dfreetype9 02:33:50 <BloodyRose> um. I'm not in linux right now. I have win version 02:34:15 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:34:23 <glx> you can do that under windows :) 02:34:30 <BloodyRose> okay 02:34:33 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-27.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:34:40 <BloodyRose> hold on :) 02:35:59 <BloodyRose> nothing's changed. 02:36:30 <BloodyRose> fonts are still looking like ??? 02:38:03 <glx> hmm debug_level9 was too much, retry openttd -dfreetype2 02:38:16 <glx> does it says something in the console? 02:38:30 <BloodyRose> i didnt check it. lol 02:38:41 <Chrill> gn all 02:39:32 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 02:39:45 <BloodyRose> here's what it says: dbg: [freetype] No font faces specified, using sprite fonts instead 02:40:02 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: SPIDER PIG, sPIDER PIG] 02:40:11 <glx> then you modified the wrong openttd.cfg 02:40:29 <BloodyRose> where can I get good config? 02:40:55 <glx> where is the one you modified? 02:40:58 <BloodyRose> and where to put it 02:41:22 <BloodyRose> in the same folder as .exe file. 02:41:41 <glx> then it should use this one 02:43:16 <BloodyRose> can u gimme ur config file? 02:44:51 <glx> openttd -dmisc3 will tell you which openttd.cfg he loaded 02:45:06 <glx> ... found as personal directory 02:49:13 <BloodyRose> thank u. I found a problem. Game folder was on my desktop. I am not american and name of Desktop folder is different here, in another encoding. I moved game folder to C drive and got it workin 02:50:21 <glx> shouldn't be a problem 02:51:26 <glx> you can check all paths searched by openttd with openttd -dmisc4 02:54:43 <BloodyRose> why should I do this? 02:55:15 <glx> if openttd can't find where it is installed, then it's a bug 02:57:37 <BloodyRose> openttd wasnt installed here. it was unpacked from archive. problem was in path to program. there was non latin letters in path. 02:58:11 <glx> still it should know where it is 02:58:20 <glx> if it doesn't it's a bug 02:59:26 <BloodyRose> maybe it just couldnt read config because of non latin path 02:59:38 <BloodyRose> or.. 02:59:48 <glx> are you using win32 or win9x? 03:00:06 <BloodyRose> win32 03:00:18 <BloodyRose> I think 03:00:47 <glx> win32 has unicode support (so non latin char in path shouldn't matter) 03:00:54 <glx> but win9x doesn't 03:04:35 <glx> ok I can reproduce the problem, I'll try to fix it 03:08:23 *** BloodyRose [~c@89.250.146.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:22:49 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:24:40 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-44.44.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? 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Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-176-50.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:59:44 <Ammlller> Dominik: did you make a diff? 09:59:50 <Ammlller> good morning btw. 10:00:47 <Dominik> Ammlller: i just found out that american is the old name, now it's called english_us. american.lng is not updated any more 10:00:47 <Ammlller> hmm, there is no american.lng anymore, so I guess, its just a new name 10:00:53 <Ammlller> :) 10:05:51 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:32 <peter1138> weird 10:15:41 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:16:05 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 10:27:25 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@145.74.181.240] has joined #openttd 10:31:51 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: bjarni * r11935 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: 10:31:51 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Fix (r11875)[FS#1672]: autosend aircraft to hangar for replacement check inverted the check for autorenew 10:31:51 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: Now it triggers when renew setting is on and only if it's on 10:31:51 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: Note: aircraft already enroute to hangars due to this bug will still go there. They will only head there once though 10:42:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v peter1138] by ChanServ 10:42:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 10:42:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 10:44:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80115.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:45:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:46:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81E67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:46:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:52:06 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N772P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 10:52:35 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-039-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:55:17 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 10:55:53 *** dih is now known as Guest0 11:02:23 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ae2.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:05:20 *** Guest0 is now known as dih 11:07:13 *** dih is now known as Guest0 11:12:06 <Bjarni> Guest0: get a real name 11:12:21 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni! 11:12:28 <Bjarni> too late :P 11:12:38 <Gonozal_VIII> nooooo 11:12:58 <Ammlller> or a "real" IRC Client 11:15:09 <Gonozal_VIII> yay compiling 11:15:33 <Bjarni> ? 11:15:38 <Bjarni> just type make 11:15:42 <Bjarni> and it compiles 11:15:46 <Bjarni> like always ;) 11:15:51 <Gonozal_VIII> that's what i did... 11:15:57 <Gonozal_VIII> but with patches 11:16:03 <Bjarni> ahh 11:16:07 <Bjarni> unstable build 11:16:17 * Bjarni notes not to help Gonozal_VIII 11:16:27 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm those little lines with "error" at the beginning don't matter, do they? 11:16:37 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:55 *** Guest0 [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 11:17:01 <Bjarni> that depends on what errors you get 11:17:09 <Bjarni> if some lng file fails then it's ok 11:17:25 *** dihedral [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:28 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 11:17:34 <Bjarni> if it's a cpp file then you have an issue 11:17:36 <Gonozal_VIII> error '_patches' undeclared 11:17:41 <Bjarni> not good 11:17:46 <Bjarni> missing header 11:17:56 <Bjarni> header include that is 11:18:02 *** dihedral is now known as Guest3 11:18:45 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:19:09 <Gonozal_VIII> nogood 11:20:58 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 11:21:02 <SmatZ> hello 11:21:07 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 11:21:08 <Bjarni> hi 11:21:20 <Gonozal_VIII> now i broke the explorer, yay 11:23:31 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N772P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24:19 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N772P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:24:37 <Gonozal_VIII> tsvncachewindow broke the explorer, not me... 11:30:47 *** Guest3 is now known as dih 11:37:34 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm97.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:38:36 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-123-88.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:43:46 <Ammlller> Tony Graffy here? 11:44:00 <Ammlller> !s/y/i/ 11:44:39 <Ammlller> he makes nice openSUSE ottd package 11:45:34 <Bjarni> I have never seen that name before 11:45:54 <Ammlller> current back is based on beta2 11:46:06 <Ammlller> autsch !s/back/pack/ 11:47:23 <Gonozal_VIII> knack & back :-) 11:47:34 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 11:49:28 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-123-88.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:54:29 *** pm|work [~chatzilla@devera.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:20 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FD32.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:25 <fjb> Moin 11:58:34 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 11:59:29 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:03:43 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.84.113.125] has joined #openttd 12:10:50 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 12:11:32 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 12:25:18 *** ln-_ [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 12:25:45 <Gonozal_VIII> yay 11935M 12:26:23 <SmatZ> yay? :) 12:26:24 <Gekz> m?/ 12:26:28 <Gekz> M?* 12:26:32 <Gonozal_VIII> daylength :-) 12:26:38 <Gekz> ? 12:26:42 <Gekz> >.> 12:27:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> am i really over 50 revisions behind? 12:27:40 *** ln- [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:43 <Gonozal_VIII> vehicle running costs per year are about twice as much as purchase cost but who cares^^ 12:27:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> i care 12:27:54 <Forked> \o/ 12:27:57 <Forked> Gonozal_VIII: it works now? 12:28:24 <Gonozal_VIII> no assertion so far but you never know^^ 12:29:15 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-123-88.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 12:29:21 <Gonozal_VIII> save/load works 12:29:26 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-123-88.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:31:18 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 12:33:31 *** ln- [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 12:33:39 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-084-057-241-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:37 <Gonozal_VIII> i found a factory! 12:35:38 *** ln-_ [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:21 <Gonozal_VIII> object pattern thingy blah 12:42:24 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 12:54:42 *** murray_ is now known as murr4y 13:04:20 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:11 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 13:06:01 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:08:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:08:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:16:01 *** madis[LA] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 13:18:24 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:20:33 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 13:21:16 <NukeBuster> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35806 13:21:19 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 13:22:11 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm? 13:22:20 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:23:36 <NukeBuster> What do you think of the idea Gonozal_VIII? 13:24:12 <Gonozal_VIII> the same as the last 20 times i read about it^^ 13:24:16 <NukeBuster> :P 13:24:57 <NukeBuster> I'm just hoping to get some constructive feedback :) 13:25:50 <Gonozal_VIII> there's not much feedback to give^^ 13:27:32 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't play on public servers but i guess it's useful.. 13:28:46 <NukeBuster> :) 13:28:57 <NukeBuster> Should have made a bigger patch :P 13:31:48 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:08 <NukeBuster> What if I'd like to make a feature which would need information from a (new)GRF, which isn't currently in the grf. Would it be hard to get that new entry to be used? 13:33:03 <Gonozal_VIII> ? please rephrase that^^ 13:33:21 <NukeBuster> hmm... 13:33:44 <NukeBuster> lets say I wanted to add a max distance variable to an airplane.... 13:33:55 <madis[LA]> Gonozal_VIII: Why don't you play multiplayer? 13:34:04 <Gonozal_VIII> i do but not public 13:34:09 <NukeBuster> That specific data isn't available in the newgrfs at the moment 13:34:25 <madis[LA]> what is your definition for unpublic then? :P 13:34:33 <Gonozal_VIII> just use some default then 13:34:40 <Gonozal_VIII> with friends 13:34:53 <Gonozal_VIII> with advertise off.. 13:35:11 <NukeBuster> hmm.. but every plane should have its own distance that it is able to travel... 13:35:19 <Bjarni> NukeBuster: how about only opening this window if the player is starting a company, not when joining one? 13:35:22 <NukeBuster> at least that was the thought 13:35:33 <NukeBuster> Bjarni: It does... 13:35:37 <madis[LA]> hmm.. actually I myself don't play much multi too on random servers ;P only #coop :P 13:35:41 <Bjarni> good 13:35:58 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-039-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:35:59 <Bjarni> then there is no problem with coop 13:36:03 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:07 <NukeBuster> i see it doesn't show in the diff 13:36:18 <Bjarni> I didn't read the diff :s 13:36:20 <Gonozal_VIII> you can't use data that isn't there 13:36:26 <NukeBuster> but the entry the code is placed in is in the new company part 13:36:27 <Bjarni> I just assumed based on replies 13:37:01 <madis[LA]> Bjarni: #openttdcoop has never any problems :P 13:37:02 <NukeBuster> it checks for joining an existing company or a new (or spectator) 13:37:18 <Bjarni> good 13:37:30 <madis[LA]> but I shall code another grf for you all now.... wait a mom 13:37:35 <Bjarni> madis[LA]: that's true right until you guys bug me to fix something 13:37:37 <NukeBuster> thats why I only needed 4 lines :) 13:38:28 <madis[LA]> Bjarni: But isnt't that wonderful? We are among the few ones who actually test nightlys on multi.. 13:38:29 <Bjarni> the stuff Bilbo talks about sounds nice but it should be in a different diff file (and different commit for bug hunting purposes) 13:39:15 <Gonozal_VIII> actually my version is modified now with daylength and disable tree growth^^ 13:39:32 <Bjarni> madis[LA]: it is... unless you find bugs that's too hard to fix. Then we would just want people to not know and not trigger those :P 13:39:45 <madis[LA]> haha 13:39:51 <Bjarni> like the latest autoreplace fix 13:40:16 <NukeBuster> Yes, I thought so aswell... 13:40:44 <NukeBuster> I was planning to do a seperate patch for servers to be able to allow or dissallow setting a password on a company. 13:40:52 <Bjarni> it triggered if somebody replaced a single headed locomotive to a dualheaded one, set autorenew money to 0 and had enough money to replace and refit the front engine but not the last 13:41:03 <Bjarni> now what are the odds for triggering that one? 13:41:28 <madis[LA]> hmm... 13:41:39 <Bjarni> not to mention that the engine had to be refitted as well as replaced 13:41:56 <madis[LA]> the more worrying question is why didn't coop players have enough money for autoreplacing 13:42:10 <madis[LA]> besides they don't autoreplace usually 13:42:19 <madis[LA]> :P 13:42:37 <Bjarni> this bug is really old 13:42:52 <Bjarni> I think it's in 0.5.0 (I'm not entirely sure though) 13:43:14 <Bjarni> and it has only been triggered once 13:43:56 <Bjarni> <madis[LA]> besides they don't autoreplace usually <-- and you claim to go bug hunting in nightly builds??? 13:45:02 <Bjarni> next thing is that you don't use clone vehicle or shared orders 13:45:03 <madis[LA]> that's just a playing style 13:45:22 <Bjarni> hmm 13:45:27 <Bjarni> or orders at all 13:45:29 <madis[LA]> Bjarni> next thing is that you don't use clone vehicle or shared orders >> do we? Ah ofcourse we do 13:45:34 <Bjarni> (now that would be interesting) 13:45:43 * peter1138 ponders committing engine pools just before 0.6.0 branches... 13:45:53 <Gonozal_VIII> no autoreplace? you keep the old engines through the whole game? 13:46:04 <Bjarni> do you use autorenew? 13:46:13 <madis[LA]> Gonozal_VIII: We start with moneymaker lines... 13:46:34 <Bjarni> we all do 13:46:36 <madis[LA]> and when we really start building networks, usually all trains are avilable 13:46:44 <madis[LA]> about 2030 or something 13:46:44 <Gonozal_VIII> every line should make money?^^ 13:47:04 <madis[LA]> we need planning ... that takes a couple decades 13:47:09 <madis[LA]> usually 13:47:14 <Gonozal_VIII> pff 13:47:23 <madis[LA]> and we need enough money to build all ML at once 13:47:25 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't plan ahead 13:47:34 <Gonozal_VIII> i build... run... adapt.. 13:47:53 <madis[LA]> Gonozal_VIII: You really should join in sometimes... 13:48:02 <madis[LA]> to see how we work 13:48:21 <Gonozal_VIII> naah, i've just seen one of your games yesterday... 13:48:33 <Gonozal_VIII> very bad station entry desing, huge jams... 13:49:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i changed it, jam at the entry was gone, exit jammed... 13:49:15 <Gonozal_VIII> changed exit, next junction jammed... 13:49:28 <Bjarni> sounds like a real railroad 13:49:30 <madis[LA]> which game if you please? 13:49:34 <fjb> The bad entry was there to prevent the exit from getting jammed. :-) 13:50:17 <Gonozal_VIII> no idea, i didn't search it myself and my memory is bad 13:50:40 <Bjarni> then buy new RAM 13:50:44 <Bjarni> it's really cheap right now 13:50:47 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 13:51:05 <fjb> peter1138: What are engine pools? 13:51:29 <Gonozal_VIII> but i guess every one of your station entrys is bad in the same way^^ 13:52:01 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of presignals, lots of line mixery going on.. 13:52:18 <peter1138> fjb, more engines 13:52:19 <Bjarni> that is instead of having depots you have small pools (waterholes) and you can pull up engines from them. The cool idea is that because they are bottomless you can have trains of unlimited length in just one tile 13:52:24 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-123-88.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:52:31 <Gonozal_VIII> i replaced it with only straight lines and normal signals and capacity doubled 13:52:49 <fjb> Bjarni: :-) 13:53:45 <fjb> peter1138: I what way more engines? Separate id spaces? 13:54:09 <peter1138> larger... 13:54:52 <fjb> Incrising the id lenght from 8 bit to 16 bit? 13:54:57 <peter1138> no 13:55:02 <peter1138> it already is 16 bits 13:55:16 <Bjarni> we changed that ages ago 13:55:22 <fjb> Oh, why are so few ids availlable then right now? 13:55:24 <peter1138> i think it was 16 bit in the original 13:55:42 <peter1138> because it's a fixed size array 13:55:44 <Bjarni> it was 8 bit once 13:55:46 <peter1138> well, several of them 13:56:05 <Bjarni> then we changed it to 16 bits in preparing for what peter1138 is doing now 13:56:11 <fjb> Ah, each vehicle class had it's own array. 13:56:19 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-198-222.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:22 <Bjarni> not really 13:56:34 <Bjarni> brb phone 13:56:37 <fjb> I know about one grf author that will really start to hate you... 13:56:51 <peter1138> hmm? 13:57:34 <Bjarni> who? 13:57:35 <Gonozal_VIII> more trainsies :-) 13:57:40 <fjb> MB is against more possible vehicles because he likes to force the players to use his DBset like he thinks people should play. 13:57:42 <Bjarni> or more importantly: why? 13:58:19 <Gonozal_VIII> that's.... bad? 13:58:19 <fjb> But I guess he doesn't like OenTTD anyway. So why care. 13:58:23 <Gonozal_VIII> nogood.. 13:58:41 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Look into the german forum. 13:58:43 <Gonozal_VIII> force players to play in a certain way... nogood, nogood 13:59:07 <Bjarni> if we start a fight like this he will just look for OpenTTD incompatible features and implement them to prevent us from using his grf files 13:59:30 <madis[LA]> and then you add a support to these features :D 13:59:48 <fjb> He doesn't want palyers to mix his vehicles with vehicles from other grfs because he restricts the pairings of locomotivs with certain wagons. 14:00:20 <Gonozal_VIII> that reminds me, i wanted to extract his transrapid and change it to monorail for my games... 14:01:16 <fjb> He already claims that he invented all the cool features of TTDP and that the OpenTTD people are steeling his ideas (even the ideas that are not in TTDP yet). 14:01:41 <Gonozal_VIII> erm... ok... :S 14:01:41 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Better don't do it. It is copyrighted by him. 14:02:01 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't matter, i won't release it anyways 14:02:01 <Bjarni> I wonder what MB has to say about DB using ICE-TD in Denmark 14:02:11 <Bjarni> it's not compatible with his grf 14:02:15 <fjb> And he gets mad about every possible violation. 14:02:29 <fjb> Bjarni: Better don't ask. 14:02:45 <Gonozal_VIII> i noticed that in the 8bpp topic about rivers... 14:03:07 <Gonozal_VIII> i already modified his river grf a lot to match with terrain^^ 14:03:28 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> that reminds me, i wanted to extract his transrapid and change it to monorail for my games... <--- if you do that then you can't post screenshots of it and you can't give the GRF to anybody 14:03:37 <Bjarni> or you will break the copyright 14:03:41 <fjb> And whenever one has a question about OpenTTD in the german forum and OpenTTD doesn't have that feature he tells everybody that the Patch is much better because it has all features you will ever need. 14:03:59 <Gonozal_VIII> not even screenshots? strange... but doesn't matter 14:04:00 <Bjarni> I'm not even sure you are allowed to modify for personal usage 14:04:25 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 14:04:28 <Bjarni> he makes some grf files and he decides how they are. Take it or leave it 14:04:30 <Ammlller> hmm, fjb is talking about MB? 14:04:31 <fjb> I guess not even the screenshots because he painted the vehicles. 14:04:36 <Bjarni> or break copyright 14:04:41 * Ammlller reads back :) 14:04:44 <fjb> Ammlller: Yes, how did you know? :-) 14:05:11 <Ammlller> "german forum" and "Patch is much better" 14:05:23 <fjb> He is getting more and more annoying. He is a great artist, but I strongly dislike his behavior. 14:05:25 <Bjarni> btw where is the German forum? 14:05:29 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:05:41 * frosch123 is sad that MB has still not replied to the "Àltere locks verschwinden"-topic. 14:05:41 <Ammlller> www.tt-ms.de/forum 14:05:42 <fjb> Bjarni: http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/index.php 14:05:57 <Bjarni> I once got positive feedback from him. I can't remember about what and it was in the pre OTTD days 14:06:29 <fjb> frosch123: I was also waiting for his answer, but maybe he would have to admit a bug in TTDP... 14:06:40 <Ammlller> his knowledge about TT is very high 14:07:01 <fjb> Ofcourse it is. He invented everything. 14:07:18 <frosch123> Ammlller: Err, IMO his knowledge about TTDP is surprisingly bad. 14:07:33 <Ammlller> and he is missing the glorious time with Patch 14:07:45 <peter1138> <fjb> He doesn't want palyers to mix his vehicles with vehicles from other grfs because he restricts the pairings of locomotivs with certain wagons. 14:07:55 <peter1138> ^ why would that stop working? 14:08:23 <fjb> I'm glad that there are two projects, TTDP and OpenTTD, they differ in some ways and that is good. So everybody can choose what he prefers. 14:08:46 <madis[LA]> but noone should be forced to use what someone else prefers 14:09:26 <fjb> peter1138: The grf prevents you to add certain wagons to certain locomotions when you make the train in the depot. 14:09:35 <Bjarni> yeah 14:09:38 <Bjarni> and it still will 14:10:17 <frosch123> Something different, please vote: Cool or crap? http://www.math.tu-clausthal.de/~mtce/ottd/DepotAndDockOnCanal.png 14:10:24 <frosch123> Especially the depot part. 14:10:35 <fjb> I also dislike people building huge unrealistic networks on a flat world, but that is their choice. They can di what they want. Everybody is different and that is good. 14:10:42 <Bjarni> if I understand it correctly if a wagon only fits on engine #17 and the game then remaps EngineID 17 to 260 (17 is used for something else) then the wagon can only connect to EngineID 260 14:11:15 <fjb> frosch123: Cool 14:11:30 <NukeBuster> Cool :) 14:11:41 <Bjarni> I dislike people reporting clone vehicles as buggy because they used it to hit the hard vehicle limit in the game and then fails to clone vehicles 14:11:43 <frosch123> I thought the dikes under the depot look weird. 14:11:47 <peter1138> fjb, yes it does... 14:11:52 <peter1138> fjb, how is that relevant? 14:11:54 <Bjarni> that's too many vehicles on a 256x256 map o_O 14:12:04 <Ammlller> hmm, I tested peters patch with dbset, I think, it works still as it should 14:12:35 <peter1138> frosch123, what about rivers? 14:12:43 <Bjarni> however I will not prevent people from doing so 14:12:58 <fjb> peter1138: That is the cause for him to be strongly against a greater range of vehicle ids or the mixing of different vehicle grfs. 14:13:14 <frosch123> peter1138: Not yet synced. 14:13:27 <peter1138> frosch123, also, what is changed? i dunno :) 14:13:36 <fjb> peter1138: When will the game generate rivers? They look cool in the editor. 14:13:38 <peter1138> fjb, strange, more vehicle ids has no effect on that feature... 14:13:52 <peter1138> when someone comes up with a good river making algorithm 14:13:57 <Ammlller> hmm, peters patch is more useful for Roadsets 14:14:14 <Ammlller> I like to use 4LV and Trams at same time 14:14:18 <fjb> peter1138: Don't tell me, I like the idea of more ids. 14:14:45 *** AntB is now known as Guest25 14:14:48 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 14:14:57 <frosch123> peter1138: there are canalborders under the shipdepots and docks at sea or canal have different ground sprites. 14:14:58 <fjb> Yes, and I don't have to patch tram to work with lv4 anymore. 14:15:13 <Ammlller> :-) 14:15:28 <Gonozal_VIII> it allows to use more but you don't have to... what's there not to be liked 14:15:30 <Ammlller> really? are you sure? 14:16:56 <fjb> If I could draw I would start my own german train set... 14:17:20 <Gonozal_VIII> i only want the transrapid... 14:17:51 <Ammlller> fjb: help addi with SwissSet :) 14:17:52 <Gonozal_VIII> i use serbian standard and narrow gauge, that's great 14:18:08 <Gonozal_VIII> but i want the transrapid with transrapid tracks additional 14:18:20 <fjb> SwissSet sounds interesting. 14:18:48 <fjb> Someone is working on a frensh set. That sounded cool. 14:18:48 <Ammlller> yeah, the project is on stand by a long time... 14:19:36 * fjb has been inside a BLS Re 4/4 once. 14:19:43 *** Guest25 [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:51 <Gonozal_VIII> more nice trucks would be nice... 4lv has tons of busses but only a handfull of trucks 14:20:26 <Ammlller> Gonozal_VIII: are all trucks for early revisions in 4lv included? 14:20:27 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: The german road vehicle set is growing slowly. But atleast it grows. 14:20:58 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know ammler... 14:21:16 <Gonozal_VIII> german road vehicle set? 14:21:32 <Bjarni> * fjb has been inside a BLS Re 4/4 once. <-- nice... What's it like inside? 14:21:47 <Bjarni> better room than in the Crocodile I hope 14:21:58 <Bjarni> I mean... I hope there is room for a seat for the driver 14:22:11 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22:29 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.139] has joined #openttd 14:22:33 <Bjarni> (surprisingly they didn't find room for that in a big locomotive like the Crocodile) 14:23:09 <Gonozal_VIII> no seat :S how does that work? 14:23:20 <Bjarni> then he had to stand up while driving 14:23:25 <Bjarni> leading against the wall 14:23:43 <Gonozal_VIII> sounds very comfortable 14:24:23 <Bjarni> there was sort of a seat but it didn't really look like a seat and was only 10 cm wide 14:24:39 <fjb> Bjarni: Sorry, it was an Ae 4/4. 14:24:44 <Bjarni> kind of like a bookcase for the driver's ass :P 14:25:14 <fjb> I don't remember much, it was about 25 years ago. 14:25:45 <Gonozal_VIII> i wasn't even alive 25 years ago^^ 14:25:53 * fjb was. 14:25:58 <Forked> I feel old 14:25:59 <Gonozal_VIII> i guessed so 14:26:05 <Forked> today I realised people born in 1990 turn 18 this year.. 14:26:45 <Gonozal_VIII> ... so? 14:26:49 <Bjarni> they have? 14:26:52 <Bjarni> damn 14:26:55 <Bjarni> now I feel old 14:27:14 <fjb> We are not old, we are playing TTD. :-) 14:27:20 <Gonozal_VIII> people born in 1984 turn 24 this year 14:27:38 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> i wasn't even alive 25 years ago^^ <-- when were you resurrected then? 14:27:57 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-127-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:16 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 14:28:27 <Bjarni> dih too 14:28:27 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:37 <dih> ? 14:28:58 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 14:29:27 <Bjarni> dih: you are alive right? 14:29:49 <dih> sure are 14:30:03 <Bjarni> <Bjarni> dih too <-- then this statement is correct 14:30:07 <dih> aye 14:30:10 * dih nods 14:30:27 <dih> yet i did not know what it was refering to, so it appeared slightly odd 14:30:36 <fjb> How do both of you define alive? 14:30:47 <Gonozal_VIII> i started with it in 84 14:30:51 <dih> we define alive 14:30:54 <Bjarni> not in the same way 14:30:57 <Gonozal_VIII> no matter the definition :-) 14:31:19 <dih> Bjarni is alive, yet freaky beyond reason :-P 14:31:29 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: You started Playing TTD in 1984? 14:31:36 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 14:31:55 <Bjarni> my mind was set on trains before 1984 14:31:55 <Gonozal_VIII> that would've been hard for various reasons 14:32:04 <Bjarni> yeah 14:32:16 <Bjarni> your parents were too cheap to give you a computer back then 14:32:24 <fjb> Ok, TTD didn't exist in 1984. 14:33:16 <Gonozal_VIII> i would have needed a water proof computer for most of that year... 14:33:18 <Bjarni> but there was something I think was called locomotion 14:33:28 <Bjarni> I don't think CS was involved in that one though 14:33:38 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-130-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:43 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: did it rain that much? 14:34:07 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 14:34:11 <Gonozal_VIII> no actually it was nice and warm all the time 14:34:40 <Bjarni> go figure 14:34:43 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:50 <Bjarni> you were near a womans... you know... all the time 14:34:56 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.139] has joined #openttd 14:34:56 <Bjarni> woman's 14:35:20 <Gonozal_VIII> ... wrong woman 14:36:02 <Bjarni> that's what guys usually say after being separated from a woman 14:36:12 <Bjarni> :P 14:38:06 <Bjarni> and the channel died... 14:38:14 <Bjarni> let's not talk about age then 14:38:45 <Bjarni> fjb: why were you in an Ae 4/4? 14:39:27 <Bjarni> I imagine that you were not driving it if it were 25 years ago 14:40:12 <Bjarni> but I would imagine that driving it would be a surprising answer nomatter when it was 14:41:39 <Gonozal_VIII> now you broke the channel 14:42:12 * AntB loves chicken puree (randomness) 14:42:55 <Bjarni> good 14:43:10 <dih> nice for you 14:43:10 <Bjarni> I started to wonder if I had been disconnected without the computer realising it 14:43:17 <AntB> lol 14:43:57 <Vikthor> hmm that reminds I want to take a look if we have some tiramisu left 14:44:10 <Vikthor> Thank you AntB :D 14:44:20 <AntB> lol 14:44:26 <Bjarni> wtf is tiramisu? 14:44:47 <Bjarni> hmm 14:44:49 <AntB> a cake type thing i think 14:45:44 <Bjarni> An Italian pastry made of layers of mascarpone cheese cream, and sponge cake soaked in coffee and liquor. Dessert Trends makes delicious Tiramisus. <-- coffee... not for me 14:45:56 <Gonozal_VIII> something with yellow goey stuff and brown powdery stuff... 14:46:12 <Bjarni> and also because of cheese cream and liquor 14:46:52 <Gonozal_VIII> same for me 14:47:11 <AntB> I just don't do cream cheese 14:47:19 <Bjarni> Pronounced tih-ruh-mee-SOO. Literally translated it means "pick me up" or "carry me up" <-- "and take me to the trashcan" :P 14:47:24 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't do any cheese 14:47:37 <AntB> lol @ Bjarni 14:48:09 <Gonozal_VIII> especially not the types with funghi or maggots inside 14:48:17 <AntB> ew :s 14:49:06 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 14:49:28 <Bjarni> maggots has nothing to do with food 14:49:36 <Bjarni> except if you are a sailor 14:49:41 <Gonozal_VIII> some people think they have 14:50:07 <Gonozal_VIII> there's a special (i think italian) cheese that contains a lot of maggots 14:50:22 <Bjarni> brb 14:50:30 <Bjarni> I'm going to meet my lunch again 14:50:35 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 14:50:46 <AntB> meet your lunch? okay.... 14:51:13 <Gonozal_VIII> "Casu marzu" 14:51:54 <Gonozal_VIII> ...is a cheese found in Sardinia, Italy, notable for being riddled with live insect larvae. 14:52:08 <Bjarni> back 14:52:11 <AntB> that, is just plain wrong 14:52:26 <Bjarni> my lunch stood me up 14:52:35 <AntB> :D 14:52:38 <Bjarni> and didn't reply when I tried to talk to it 14:52:40 <Dominik> AntB: you're the AntBUK from the forums, right? 14:52:45 <AntB> yup 14:53:31 <Gonozal_VIII> "a viscous, pungent goo that burns the tongue and can affect other parts of the body" 14:53:44 <Dominik> about that grf for the DS port: you could simply add the switch screens button to the file without replacing any original ones. i think i can import them then 14:54:17 <AntB> ok 14:54:34 <Dominik> and thanks a lot for making them :) 14:54:42 <AntB> nps :) 14:56:04 <Gonozal_VIII> "Piophila casei larvae can pass through the stomach alive (human stomach acids do not usually kill them) and take up residency for some period of time in the intestines, where they can cause serious lesions as they attempt to bore through the intestinal walls." 14:57:08 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-255-24.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 14:59:32 <Gonozal_VIII> it's bad enough to eat maggots... but they stay alive, crawl around inside you and try to poke holes through you!!! WHY?? 14:59:49 * AntB doesn't feel well 15:00:27 <Bjarni> I have something to put your mind at ease instead 15:01:28 <Bjarni> some filmcrew were recording and they put a fake paper license plate on a car that happened to be parked in the background (so nobody could tell which car it was when viewing it) 15:01:55 <Bjarni> when they went to remove it again the car were gone and now they are telling people to check for their license plate on their car xD 15:02:11 <AntB> rofl 15:02:38 <Bjarni> imagine being stopped by police because you have a fake license plate and you go "but I didn't put it there and I have my real one behind it" 15:03:54 <Gonozal_VIII> i did a bad, bad thing with licence plates whith a friend when i was a child... there were two trucks parked in a sand pit near my home and we switched their rear licence plates... 15:04:19 <Bjarni> that's bad 15:04:24 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.bynxx19.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:04:29 <Bjarni> why did you do so? 15:04:39 <Bjarni> and how did you manage to actually do it? 15:04:42 <Gonozal_VIII> i dunno... children do stuff? 15:04:57 <Bjarni> good point 15:05:29 <Gonozal_VIII> the how was easy, they had those plastic frames where you just have to turn some parts with a coin or screwdriver and they can be removed 15:08:44 <Gonozal_VIII> they were from different companies and different regions... i guess they had a hard time figuring out what happened and where their licence plates have gone to 15:10:42 <Bjarni> hehe 15:13:22 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:19:25 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:20:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:55 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has left #openttd [] 15:20:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:21 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r11936 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix: 'BRIDGE_TOO_LOW_FOR_TERRAIN'-check was wrong for steep slopes. 15:23:58 *** madis[LA] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:31 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm97.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 15:27:10 <fjb> frosch123: Are you interested in watching a movie in Clausthal this evening? 15:27:36 <Bjarni> are you trying to sabotage his coding time? 15:27:46 <fjb> Yes! :-) 15:27:51 *** LA[lord] [~LAlord]@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:27:52 <frosch123> Which movie? 15:28:10 <Gonozal_VIII> don't mistake the brewery for a cinema 15:28:35 <Bjarni> brewery... don't you mean Biergarten? 15:29:00 <fjb> "Blood Diamond" http://www.emk-clausthal.de/projekte/filmbistro/filmbistro.shtm (Don't get afraid, the church is only giving the room and the technical equipment) 15:29:08 <Gonozal_VIII> there's a brewery... 15:29:25 <Bjarni> 404 15:29:32 <fjb> There was a brewery. There is a chopping mall today. 15:29:45 <Bjarni> a chopping mall? 15:29:55 <Bjarni> they chop the prices? :D 15:29:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 15:29:57 <fjb> 404? I could just load that page. 15:30:01 <Gonozal_VIII> huh? no brewery in clausthal? where does clausthaler come from then? 15:30:15 <fjb> Binding is brewing the beer. 15:30:28 <Gonozal_VIII> fake! all fake! 15:30:42 <dih> i was on #oftc talking about openttdcoop 15:30:47 <Bjarni> it's still not working 15:30:49 <dih> and the guy responded with 15:30:52 <dih> 16:29 < weasel> (when will openttd finally stop requiring the old (non-free) ttd files?) 15:30:59 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:14 <Bjarni> dih: well... we need something to use instead 15:31:23 <yorick> hello 15:31:29 <hylje> don't the tt-forums folks have a project going on 15:31:33 <fjb> No, the rights to brew that beer are still coupled to some places in Clausthal. And some of the people in Clausthal tell Binding how to brew that beer. 15:31:41 <Bjarni> yeah 15:31:51 <Bjarni> and Owen started a sound collecting project 15:31:53 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni, remove the part after the last / then it works 15:32:03 <dih> still a very funny response 15:32:19 <yorick> hmm... what is being talked about? 15:32:27 <Gonozal_VIII> beer 15:32:57 <Bjarni> dih: well... one thing is for sure. The guy knows the game 15:33:02 <Bjarni> which is a good thing 15:33:16 <yorick> aha, beer :S 15:33:20 <fjb> frosch123: If you are interestid in watching the movie and like to talk to some nice people (which are not relatted to the church) after watching the movie and drinking some tea you are welcome. 15:33:35 <dih> Bjarni: it also gives a contact person whenever you need something from oftc :-D 15:33:49 *** hylje_ [~hylje@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 15:33:54 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 15:34:01 <yorick> hi hylje_ 15:34:06 <hylje> hello 15:34:11 <frosch123> fjb: Well it is not that kind of movie I usally watch, but if I will meet you there and we turn it into a OTTD party, I might be interested :) 15:34:13 <yorick> :) 15:35:03 <Bjarni> dih: why would we need anything from otfc? 15:35:08 <Bjarni> it's working very well 15:35:16 <dih> you never know 15:35:24 <Bjarni> no need to take their time telling them "it's still working" 15:35:27 <Bjarni> on a daily basis 15:35:30 <SpComb> http://lidars.narod.ru/index.files/Page2683.htm <-- eww 15:36:03 <AntB> that just looks like locomotion 15:36:06 <Gonozal_VIII> white pixel problem with those planes 15:36:06 <fjb> frosch123: We could some people interested into OpenTTD, I guess. Some of the people there like to play computer games. 15:36:09 <NukeBuster> sergey? 15:37:14 <Gonozal_VIII> and... wtfhuge 15:37:22 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5F4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:37:54 <hylje> bigger sprites are good 15:38:03 <Gonozal_VIII> no 15:38:09 <hylje> but the implementation there isn't too goo 15:38:10 <hylje> d 15:38:16 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't fit on the airports and tracks 15:39:27 <Eddi|zuHause> or under the catenary 15:39:32 <Gonozal_VIII> those trucks bend the right way in corners... 15:40:25 <Gonozal_VIII> way too huge... but they bend in corners! 15:40:47 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 15:40:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:40:53 <Gonozal_VIII> (bend in corners without looking disconnected) 15:41:10 <hylje> maybe thats why 15:43:13 *** dasfdf [~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 15:43:13 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest35 15:43:13 *** Guest35 is now known as Guest36 15:43:14 *** dasfdf is now known as Gonozal_VIII 15:43:43 *** LA[lord] is now known as LordAzamath 15:44:15 <Bjarni> great 15:44:20 <Bjarni> Sergej did it again :/ 15:44:25 <dih> ? 15:44:37 <Bjarni> http://forums.osxfaq.com/viewtopic.php?t=16574 <-- and now he managed to find somewhere where we can't reach him 15:45:26 <Bjarni> http://lidars.narod.ru/index.files/image1882.png <-- we aren't licensed to use this trademarked icon so we don't.... he added it 15:45:57 <Bjarni> it's possible that we could get it but I will not go though the paperwork to prove to Apple that it's a true universal binary 15:46:17 *** LordAzamath is now known as LordAzamath_ 15:46:30 <Bjarni> I'm not even sure I can since the PPC port isn't checked regularly enough by an official developer 15:46:33 <Bjarni> oh well 15:48:13 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r11937 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: 15:48:13 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Feature: Allow building bridge heads on more slopes. 15:48:13 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: These are SLOPE_NW, SLOPE_SW, SLOPE_SE, SLOPE_NE (with bridge perpendicular to the slope) and SLOPE_NS, SLOPE_EW. 15:48:34 <Eddi|zuHause> yay! 15:49:32 *** Guest36 [~Gonozal_V@N772P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:43 *** hylje [hylje@c214.myrootshell.com] has quit [Quit: minua hyljeksitÀÀn :'(] 15:49:43 *** hylje_ is now known as hylje 15:51:44 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498D5E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:47 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5F4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: will return at 31st december] 16:00:36 <fjb> Cool 16:00:51 <fjb> I have to compile the latest trunk. 16:01:01 <Belugas> FEATURE!!!!!!! 16:02:24 <fjb> Maybe frosch123 should not go watching the movie this evening... :-) 16:02:49 <frosch123> Already found a bug? Or are you busy with playing? 16:03:30 <fjb> No, but you are inventing nice features today. :-) 16:03:46 <frosch123> Where does the plural come from? 16:04:00 <fjb> Expecting many new things... 16:04:02 <fjb> :-) 16:04:15 <fjb> But I would be glad to meet you at the movie. 16:04:33 <frosch123> I'm sure you will find a post on the forums, where MB suggests that :p 16:05:24 <fjb> Ofcourse. He already suggested everything or at least thought about suggesting it years ago. 16:06:44 <fjb> Diagonal bridges would be great... 16:06:47 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:09 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 16:07:56 <Belugas> having graphics for diagonal bridges would be great 16:08:34 <hylje> invisible floating rails are fine too 16:09:19 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, graphics will come 16:09:23 <fjb> So somebody should draw the graphics first? I have to learn how to draw. 16:09:59 <Belugas> no, i mean, they cannot be coded with the current gfxs we have 16:10:01 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB5F4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:01 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 16:10:10 <Belugas> plsu, there is a big problem with lack of space in the map 16:10:27 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5F4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:10:35 <Gonozal_VIII> just clone some rail sprites for that, they can be changed later 16:11:00 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm lack of space in the map is a problem for a lot of things... 16:11:09 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe it's time to add a byte? 16:11:49 <Belugas> so simple indeed... but ... a byte wiold not solve the problem 16:12:19 <Gonozal_VIII> O_o a byte should be more then enough for that 16:13:08 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:13:10 <fjb> What would solve the problem? A new map layout? 16:13:17 <AntB> for diagonal bridges would it not be an idea to be able to go up diagonal slopes first? 16:13:37 <AntB> (that would be a useful feature) 16:14:25 <Belugas> fjb, that would help, yes indeed 16:14:42 <frosch123> I have no clue how the sprites for going up diagonal slopes should lool like 16:15:01 <fjb> AntB: That feature woul be on my wishlist, too. Maybe next Christmas? :-) 16:15:09 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-198-222.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:16 <fjb> Belugas: Are there plans for a map rework? 16:15:22 <hylje> frosch123: southwest-northeast is simple, just a border on each side 16:15:31 <AntB> bit sooner hopefully, theres been a lot of stuff since I started playing this about 9 or 10 months ago :D 16:15:33 <frosch123> The rails would be totally distorted 16:15:37 <Gonozal_VIII> i know how they would look 16:15:45 <hylje> frosch123: i think southeast-northwest get a foundation either way 16:16:02 <Gonozal_VIII> that needs slope/flat transition sprites 16:16:30 <Belugas> fjb, not really. Some vague talks but nothing concrete 16:16:37 <Gonozal_VIII> and lots of foundations 16:17:06 <fjb> Belugas: How ist it done today? Bit numbers are allocated to represent a feature? 16:17:41 <frosch123> fjb: see /docs/landscape.html 16:17:49 <hylje> the map is a homogenous array i believe 16:17:53 <dih> hello Belugas 16:17:56 <hylje> each cell is identical in size 16:19:12 <Belugas> hello dih, indeed hylje 16:19:44 <fjb> Hm, Each cell being an array, depending o the things that got build on that tile, would expand the map only where needed. 16:20:21 <hylje> an array of pointers? 16:20:36 <Gonozal_VIII> SLOPE_EW <-- wtf? 16:20:48 <hylje> eastwest 16:20:49 <peter1138> east - west 16:20:51 <Belugas> current map array is built in order to keep performance during calls, since it is bit-size normalized (or whatever) 16:21:05 <peter1138> 8+1 isn't it? 16:21:28 <Gonozal_VIII> i know that ew means east west.. but wtf is eastwest? 16:21:33 <Belugas> yes, but one array of 8 and antouerbn one of 1 16:21:34 <Belugas> iirc 16:21:59 <hylje> Gonozal_VIII: the axis 16:21:59 <peter1138> Gonozal_VIII, perpendicular to northsouth 16:22:17 <Gonozal_VIII> ... 16:22:23 <frosch123> Gonozal_VIII: http://www.math.tu-clausthal.de/~mtce/ottd/MoreBridgeSlopes.png 16:22:31 <frosch123> On the left is SLOPE_NS 16:22:39 <fjb> Belugas: Sounds complicated to work with an map layout like that. 16:22:40 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks :-) 16:23:01 <hylje> also double-elevation (or arbitrary-elevation?!) bridges? :-) 16:23:12 <blathijs> fjb: Most of it is wrapped away in handy functions, like IsBridgeTile() and GetRailTracks() etc. 16:24:15 <hylje> abstracted bitmagic! 16:24:46 <Belugas> hylje, it runs pretty smooth, in fact 16:24:56 <wnight> Is there a way to set a breakpoint, so the game freezes when a vehicle crosses a waypoint? I'm trying to debug my layout. 16:25:02 <Belugas> as blathijs mentionned, the map accessors are quite handy 16:25:04 <fjb> I guess the map would need some rework to represent things like signals or switches in tunnels. 16:25:09 <Gonozal_VIII> those functions can be adapted to any other system too 16:25:28 <peter1138> yeah, tunnels are virtual 16:25:31 <Belugas> fjb, it needs another representation of the tunnels 16:25:53 <Belugas> Gonozal_VIII, it is the idea behind making those accessors, indeed 16:26:04 * Belugas resumes work@work 16:27:40 * dih too 16:27:57 <blathijs> wnight: A specific waypoint? Or any waypoint? 16:28:56 <blathijs> wnight: In any case, you can just add some "if (tile = 201028 && v->id == 129)\nprintf("Something");" statement and put a breakpoint on the print 16:29:18 <blathijs> wnight: You'll have to look around where to actually put it, TrainController is a good start I guess 16:29:41 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498D5E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:23 * frosch123 thinks wnight wants to pause the game and not the program. 16:38:08 <wnight> Yeah. I did install the source just now and have a look, but I was thinking of a more light-weight thing, something I could do ingame. 16:38:22 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:34 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:39:36 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 16:40:30 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 16:47:01 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 16:47:01 *** hylje [~hylje@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 16:47:38 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5F4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:24 *** sdgdsfddj [~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:48:25 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest44 16:48:25 *** Guest44 is now known as Guest45 16:48:25 *** sdgdsfddj is now known as Gonozal_VIII 16:51:34 <wnight> I built a 2x4 train station between two industries and it doesn't seem to connect to either. 16:52:27 <Gonozal_VIII> you can turn on the catchment area view while building 16:52:28 <wnight> Though it is touching both along either side. 16:52:35 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5F4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:52:41 <Gonozal_VIII> then it is connected 16:52:49 <Gonozal_VIII> can't get any closer^^ 16:53:32 <frosch123> wnight: Not all tiles of an industry accept cargo. Use the landinfo tool to find out which. 16:53:50 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:53 *** HAmsty [~HAmsty@p5B0E8D6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:54:30 *** hylje [~hylje@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 16:54:32 *** Guest45 [~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:47 <Gonozal_VIII> clicking on the station or the build window while building also shows what it accepts 16:55:28 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:46 *** MaSch [~masch@p50919E9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:56:49 <MaSch> ho 16:56:57 <Gonozal_VIII> ho ho 16:58:33 <MaSch> does someone know a good svn bot? 16:58:46 <Gonozal_VIII> bot? 16:58:52 <wnight> Ok, with the info tool I can see the coal mine accepts passengers in two places, are those where it gives coal too? I couldn't see where the iron ore mine let out. 16:58:54 <yorick> cia.vc? 16:59:06 <MaSch> a irc bot that posts new svn commits into a irc channel 16:59:10 <yorick> dorpsgek? 16:59:14 <Gonozal_VIII> industries generate cargo on every tile 16:59:22 <Gonozal_VIII> touching one of them is enough 16:59:52 <Gonozal_VIII> cia does that here... 17:03:53 <yorick> hmm... when will 1900 CEST be? 17:04:04 <Gonozal_VIII> 2h 17:04:19 * yorick knows all of his questions start with "hmm..." 17:04:40 <yorick> 2h?! 17:05:03 <fjb> At 17:00 UTC. 17:05:26 <Gonozal_VIII> well... nightly will be built in 2h... 17:05:27 *** MaSch [~masch@p50919E9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [Verlassend] 17:05:36 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.139] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:05:41 <yorick> Gonozal_VIII: I know 17:06:00 <Gonozal_VIII> why do you care about summer time now? 17:06:22 <yorick> dunno 17:06:37 <yorick> I just care too much 17:06:41 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 17:09:01 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:09:13 <yorick> how's the Lively Rivers progressing? 17:09:39 <Belugas> it's flowing 17:09:52 <Zothar_> heh 17:09:54 * Belugas means he do not have a clue ;) 17:10:20 <yorick> did you even look at ~? 17:10:54 * yorick prepares for a know 17:10:57 <yorick> no 17:11:00 <yorick> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Lively_Rivers 17:11:10 <yorick> no** 17:11:35 <hylje> needs some more fleshing out, then a checklist 17:11:43 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:49 <hylje> of individual things to be done 17:11:58 <hylje> then i think i could try to tackle it 17:12:09 <yorick> you could? 17:12:37 <hylje> given it's to be broken down into bite-sized chunks.. 17:13:53 <yorick> do you have a big mouth? 17:14:38 <Belugas> nice project 17:14:46 <hylje> METAPHORICAL chunks, bites, mouths 17:14:53 <hylje> i'm not eating coding projects 17:14:53 <yorick> :P 17:15:12 * yorick whispers in Belugas's ears that he should help us 17:15:28 <hylje> i wouldnt mind someone *cough* doing that stuff though :p 17:15:51 *** Tino|Home is now known as TinoM 17:16:04 <yorick> I did it more subtile! 17:16:14 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:59 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:17:16 <Belugas> yorick, i've got my hands quite full at the moment, thanks 17:17:24 <yorick> with? 17:17:36 <Belugas> and my time is quite limited 17:17:48 <yorick> by? 17:17:53 <Belugas> yorick, i'm sorry, but i'll keep those for myself ;) 17:18:02 <Belugas> and those who know hehe 17:18:29 <yorick> :P 17:18:47 <Belugas> yorick, let say, for your knowledge, that i have a family and a working job 17:18:55 <Belugas> those are big show stoppers already 17:19:19 <yorick> can't you kill the family and quit the job ;P? 17:19:32 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 17:19:41 <yorick> ;)^^ 17:19:48 <hylje> yorick: your usage of irony is astonishing 17:19:49 <Belugas> than, i'll have no house, therefor no computer 17:19:51 <Belugas> nice... 17:20:11 <Belugas> plus, too bad, i love my wife and my kid and my cat so... 17:20:16 <yorick> buy a laptop 17:20:19 <Belugas> i'll keep all of them :) 17:20:33 *** fghfgj [~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:20:33 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest46 17:20:33 *** Guest46 is now known as Guest47 17:20:34 *** fghfgj is now known as Gonozal_VIII 17:20:34 <Belugas> pay me a laptop, i might be more productive :P 17:21:28 <yorick> what's gonozal doing? 17:21:47 <Gonozal_VIII> nothing 17:22:10 <yorick> I can see... 17:22:10 <Gonozal_VIII> the other guy on my router is downloading again 17:22:33 <yorick> that's why you change ...wait... what did you change? 17:22:45 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 17:22:52 <yorick> [18:20] *** fghfgj (~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined 17:23:01 <yorick> [18:20] *** Gonozal_VIII changed nick to Guest46 17:23:06 <yorick> [18:20] *** fghfgj changed nick to Gonozal_VIII 17:23:12 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 17:23:27 <Gonozal_VIII> [18:19:18] *** You have been disconnected. Mon Jan 21 18:19:18 2008. 17:23:27 <Gonozal_VIII> [18:19:58] *** You have been disconnected. Mon Jan 21 18:19:58 2008. 17:23:27 <Gonozal_VIII> [18:20:24] *** Nickname already in use. Please choose another (/nick {name}). 17:23:27 <Gonozal_VIII> [18:20:32] *** Automatically rejoining channel... 17:24:23 <yorick> I have to register with nickserv 17:24:25 <yorick> :) 17:24:34 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 17:24:37 <Gonozal_VIII> i am registered 17:25:08 *** AntB_ [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 17:25:09 <Gonozal_VIII> but the script starts after successful connect... nick already in use doesn't count as successful 17:25:14 *** AntB_ is now known as AntB 17:25:30 <yorick> lets see, how do I register 17:25:44 <Gonozal_VIII> type /nickserv help register 17:25:57 <Gonozal_VIII> or /msg nickserv help register 17:25:58 <Gonozal_VIII> ... 17:26:02 *** Guest47 [~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:01 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:29:34 *** AntB is now known as Guest48 17:31:02 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 17:32:26 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:33:42 *** Guest48 [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:15 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 17:37:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host90-235-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:37:44 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-255-24.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:38:14 <fjb> Have fun. I'm going to Clausthal, not drinking beer. 17:38:27 <Wolf01> hello 17:38:58 <yorick> hello 17:39:18 <Bjarni> looks like Wolf01 is already at Clausthal xD 17:41:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:41:27 <yorick> hello 17:42:06 <Gonozal_VIII> yay transrapid with steam puffs 17:42:17 <hylje> steam-powered maglev 17:42:21 <Bjarni> overheating? 17:42:46 <Bjarni> <hylje> steam-powered maglev <-- it is... They just placed the steam engine in the power plant instead of on the vehicle 17:42:49 <Wolf01> i have a steam powered maglev grf 17:43:04 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess that's traction type? 17:45:21 <Gonozal_VIII> and refittable to passengers and wool seems to be a bit strange too 17:45:34 <hylje> :o 17:45:35 <hylje> :o 17:45:46 <hylje> i'd say thats plain silly 17:54:11 <SpComb> what? Passangers and wool are very similar 17:54:51 <Bjarni> yeah 17:55:03 <Bjarni> they fit together like passengers and livestock 17:55:54 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ===openttdcoop.org=== :tiuQ] 17:56:44 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 17:56:51 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:56:59 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 17:58:38 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:58:49 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 17:59:14 *** yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 17:59:40 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 17:59:45 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 18:00:00 <Gonozal_VIII> ok... not refittable to passengers and wool anymore 18:00:08 <Gonozal_VIII> wool only now :-) 18:01:21 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:02:07 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 18:02:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 18:07:42 *** Ammler [~Ammler@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 18:10:56 *** AntB_ [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 18:11:02 *** AntB_ is now known as AntB 18:19:04 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-133-169.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:50 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 18:29:54 <Yorick> back 18:32:25 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm what property defines if it should generate steam clouds or electric sparks or nothing or diesel smoke...? 18:32:26 *** _Bastiaan_ [~Bastiaan@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 18:32:45 *** _Bastiaan_ [~Bastiaan@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [] 18:35:02 <Forked> 16k x 256 .. maglev from south to north and back again.. now to connect everything 18:35:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:37:07 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: prop 22 18:37:09 <Belugas> quick, before your indus disappear 18:37:23 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks glx :-) 18:37:28 <Gonozal_VIII> what does 19 do then? 18:38:13 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-255-24.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 18:39:35 <Gonozal_VIII> found it 18:39:37 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41:59 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ===openttdcoop.org=== :tiuQ] 18:42:43 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 18:43:00 *** Ammler [~Ammler@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 18:43:00 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [] 18:43:00 *** hylje [~hylje@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 18:43:52 *** Ammler [~Ammler@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 18:44:13 *** Ammler is now known as Awayler 18:44:22 *** Awayler is now known as Ammler 18:44:50 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@062249182162.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Quit: edgepro: There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so on.] 18:44:55 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 18:45:15 *** hylje [~hylje@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 18:46:37 *** dst_ [~dennis@p57A2B826.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:55 <Gonozal_VIII> strange, still steam puffs 18:48:02 <Gonozal_VIII> with 22 40 18:48:03 <Yorick> on maglev? 18:48:06 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 18:48:09 <Yorick> :D 18:48:45 <Gonozal_VIII> according to the wiki, 19 40 without any 22 should have been enough... 18:49:16 * Yorick needs help with regex :D 18:50:07 <Yorick> it seens to be very hard for me to see if a string contains another string 18:50:19 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: yes, prop 19 is determines traction type 18:50:51 <glx> it is steam if prop 19 is not set 18:51:12 <Yorick> seems* 18:51:51 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm it doesn't read the whole line... i guess i got the byte count wrong 18:52:18 <glx> check the console 18:53:23 <Yorick> tried everything, from /.*somestringtomatch.*/ to just somestringtomatch 18:53:52 <glx> Yorick: what do you want to know? 18:54:07 *** Ammler [~Ammler@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 18:54:07 *** hylje [~hylje@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 18:54:07 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ===openttdcoop.org=== :tiuQ] 18:54:11 <SpComb> poks 18:54:28 <Yorick> I just want to know how I can check if somesringtomatch is in the string I execute it on 18:54:32 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@062249182162.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 18:54:36 * SpComb makes fun of hylje while he's offline 18:54:46 * Yorick barroes hylje 18:54:50 <Yorick> barries* 18:55:01 *** Ammler [~Ammler@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 18:55:22 *** Ammler is now known as Awayler 18:55:24 *** Awayler is now known as Ammler 18:55:58 <Yorick> ~Ammler@joshua.dihedral.de :O 18:56:01 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 18:56:43 *** hylje [~hylje@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 18:57:06 * Yorick diggs up hylje 18:58:53 <Yorick> damn regexp 19:00:12 <Yorick> why doesn't it just have string.contains()? 19:00:22 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:00:41 <glx> searching for somestringtowatch should work 19:00:44 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 19:00:57 <Yorick> :D 19:01:21 * Yorick finds out the existence of string.find() 19:01:29 * Yorick slaps forehead a few times 19:03:10 <Yorick> it works vOv 19:05:08 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DB28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:32 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:17 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm is there a max length for pseudo sprites? 19:07:34 <Yorick> probably 19:07:37 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:46 <Gonozal_VIII> it seems to stop reading after 50 bytes or something 19:08:07 <Yorick> but should be somewhere around 2^256 19:08:18 <Yorick> I think 19:08:30 <Yorick> I have read that somewhere 19:08:53 *** Ammler [~Ammler@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 19:08:53 *** hylje [~hylje@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 19:08:53 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ===openttdcoop.org=== :tiuQ] 19:09:38 <Yorick> :O 19:09:53 <Yorick> why do they always quit at the same time? 19:09:56 *** Ammler [~Ammler@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 19:09:58 <Gonozal_VIII> 45, not 50 19:10:00 <Yorick> why do they always quit at the same time? 19:10:08 *** Ammler is now known as Awayler 19:10:12 *** BigBoss [~qwerty@host18-82-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:10:17 *** Awayler is now known as Ammler 19:10:22 <BigBoss> !password 19:10:22 *** BigBoss was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 19:11:01 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 19:11:21 *** hylje [~hylje@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 19:11:53 <Gonozal_VIII> nfo renum seems to know that... //!!Warning (99): Offset 45: No more data was expected. 19:12:27 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D76D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:46 <Yorick> :D 19:13:11 <Yorick> what are you trying to do? 19:13:36 <Gonozal_VIII> trying to get a transrapid 19:15:09 <Yorick> get some inspiration from UKRS 19:15:21 <Yorick> it has transrapids 19:15:29 <Gonozal_VIII> it does? 19:15:47 <Gonozal_VIII> but i don't need inspiration, i need the game to read more than 45 bytes 19:16:17 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:17:04 <Yorick> try to get your sprite under 45 :) 19:17:37 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:18:20 <mcbane> hmmi dont get rivers.. 19:18:45 <Gonozal_VIII> scenario editor 19:19:10 <mcbane> kweh =( 19:21:13 <Belugas> mcbane, downloaded the grf? 19:22:14 *** Leviath [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 19:22:35 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:23:44 <mcbane> yes 19:24:29 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:24:29 <mcbane> riversv0113.06.07 19:24:39 <mcbane> it sais in grf window 19:25:07 <mcbane> but its scenario only? 19:25:20 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has quit [] 19:25:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:25:53 <mcbane> nm who can read is in advantage.. °.° 19:26:35 <Forked> hrm.. is there a way to remove crashed trains by force (just delete them)? 19:26:41 <LordAzamath_> no 19:26:48 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has left #openttd [Leaving] 19:27:13 <Belugas> mcbane, there was a readme file? 19:27:13 <Forked> ok, thanks 19:28:11 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: restarting...] 19:28:12 <mcbane> nope i just reread the forum and it sais scenario editor only, 19:28:50 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 19:29:31 *** dih is now known as dih|away 19:29:36 *** dih|away is now known as dih 19:30:07 <LordAzamath_> gaah.. dihedral seems to have some problems wit network :P ^^ 19:30:38 *** toet [~cheese@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 19:31:38 <Jortuny> hey, silly question- is it possible to disable breakdowns partway through a game? 19:32:04 <Yorick> yes 19:32:11 <Yorick> when having gui 19:32:30 <Yorick> difficulty options>breakdowns 19:32:39 <Jortuny> oh jeez, I guess I missed that :( 19:32:45 <Jortuny> you can do that in a running network game? 19:32:56 <Yorick> you'l have to save it 19:33:02 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fd0b7.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 19:33:04 <Yorick> and load it in SP mode 19:33:07 <Yorick> to edit 19:33:12 <Jortuny> ahh, ok, that's why :) 19:33:15 <Yorick> but will lose passwords 19:33:18 <Jortuny> right 19:33:25 <Jortuny> no biggie- thanks loads! 19:34:43 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:36:36 <Gonozal_VIII> yay, no more wool 19:37:16 <Belugas> you shaved it ? 19:37:22 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:37:32 <Gonozal_VIII> passengers and tourists now :-) 19:37:56 <Yorick> tourists demand more legroom! 19:38:20 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, only 30 of them fit in instead of 120 passengers 19:39:31 <Yorick> maybe springs DO care if more tourist watch them-a building needs to be built around the spring to keep the tourists dry in the rain-spring gets less water :) 19:39:53 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 19:40:28 <Noldo> and sell the merchandice 19:41:07 <Yorick> Belugas: with industries that can only be seen near a spring *cough* 19:41:15 <Gonozal_VIII> you know that water that hits a roof doesn't disappear magically, right?^^ 19:41:24 <Yorick> erm... 19:41:40 <Yorick> they clean it tu use as drinking water for the tourists? 19:41:44 <Yorick> to* 19:43:03 <Gonozal_VIII> wow, running cost: 10,001,250/yr 19:43:28 <Belugas> Yorick ?? 19:43:32 <Yorick> huh? 19:43:58 <Belugas> i was highlited with a sentence that i cannot put back in context 19:44:06 <Belugas> thus the ?? 19:44:24 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess it's not a good idea to change daylength during a running game.. 19:44:53 <Yorick> when the livily rivers are done, a newgrf prop could be added to make industries aware of a water-source 19:45:27 <Gonozal_VIII> they are aware of water 19:45:35 <Gonozal_VIII> and houses 19:45:40 <Gonozal_VIII> so tiletype.. 19:46:53 <Gonozal_VIII> everything seems to work now with my transrapid :-) 19:47:13 <Yorick> now go makeing grf's for the Lively Rivers 19:47:20 <Belugas> Yorick, first, the notion of what is a water-source should be defined 19:47:22 <Belugas> but... 19:47:28 <Gonozal_VIII> can't be done with a grf 19:47:30 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess 19:47:31 <Belugas> waht that prop would do? 19:47:35 <Yorick> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Lively_Rivers :) 19:47:45 <Belugas> in your words, please 19:47:59 <hylje> a body of water 19:48:06 <Yorick> rivers start at water sources, which produce a certain amount of water per tile loop 19:48:07 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 19:48:17 <Belugas> ha.... 19:48:48 <Belugas> well... noneed for a prop... a callback or even a variable can be coded... 19:48:58 <Yorick> I mean^ 19:49:10 <Yorick> ..............................................................................^ 19:49:14 <Gonozal_VIII> i think that would already work with the current system 19:49:35 <Gonozal_VIII> industry placement rules are already aware of tiletype 19:49:43 <Yorick> but is it usefull for anything? 19:49:49 <DaleStan> As well as nearest body of water. 19:50:07 <Yorick> they already have a callback for that^ 19:50:44 <DaleStan> Is tiletype useful!? Is it useful to know whether or not you're building your oil rig in the Indian Ocean or on the top of Mt Everest? 19:50:59 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:51:01 <DaleStan> What is "that"? 19:51:11 <Yorick> nearest body of water. 19:51:22 <DaleStan> That's not a callback. It's a variable. 19:52:01 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:16 <Yorick> s 19:52:18 <Yorick> aaaah 19:52:26 * Yorick screams 19:53:13 <Belugas> hehehe 19:53:34 <Belugas> the weigh of knowledge has scared him ^)^ 19:54:02 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:54:05 <Gonozal_VIII> ah dalestan, you know that kind of stuff... what's up with that 45 byte limit for train pseudospirites? 19:54:36 <peter1138> it means you haven't coded it correctly 19:54:44 <Yorick> }) 19:55:50 <DaleStan> What peter1138 said. The limit, for all pseudosprites, is 65535 bytes. 19:56:21 <Gonozal_VIII> what does that mean? //!!Warning (99): Offset 45: No more data was expected. 19:56:29 * AntB hides 19:56:29 <Yorick> !calc 65535 /1024 19:56:32 <Yorick> !calc 65535/1024 19:56:37 <Yorick> @calc 65535/1024 19:56:37 <DorpsGek> Yorick: 63.9990234375 19:56:40 <peter1138> 64K. hard to guess... 19:56:49 <peter1138> -1 byte, heh 19:57:01 <Prof_Frink> Hey, hey 16k, what does that get you today? 19:57:14 <Prof_Frink> Well, depends where you start 19:57:15 <peter1138> Prof_Frink, none of MB's stations 19:57:58 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: You need more than that for a letter 19:58:31 <Yorick> after studying manuals today, /me wrote a script with 19 (!) lines! 19:59:31 <Prof_Frink> Yorick: While reading the abs on tldp.org, a script I was playing with went from about 5 to over 100 lines 20:00:26 <DaleStan> Gonozal_VIII: It means that no more bytes were expected, and a conforming host will ignore byte 45 and all following ones. SANITY.*.txt contains UI. 20:01:14 * Yorick goes back helping dih with his project 20:03:15 <Yorick> hmpf... incomplete scripting language... you can't even split on nothing 20:04:07 <Yorick> split("abcd", "") is expected to give ["a", "b", "c", "d"], but it doesn't, it gives [empty separators string] 20:05:21 <Yorick> joining or zipping array's isn't known... 20:05:25 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: check your sprite length maybe 20:05:43 *** HiHoHAmster [~HAmsty@p579DEE03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:01 <DaleStan> split("abcd", "") is expected to give ["a", "b", "c", "d"] <-- Why is that expected. Why not ["", "", "", "", ..., "a", "", "", ..., "b", ...]? After all, there are an infinite number of ""s between any two letters. 20:06:15 <hylje> Yorick: try list(string) ? 20:06:23 <hylje> or equivalent 20:06:43 *** HAmsty [~HAmsty@p5B0E8D6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:54 <Yorick> DaleStan: any programming language is expected to assume there is only one 20:07:04 <hylje> not really 20:07:07 <hylje> python doesn't do it 20:07:09 <Gonozal_VIII> toCharArray("abcd"); :-) 20:07:10 <hylje> so it must be right 20:07:53 <Yorick> hylje: I forgot saying "any serious programming language" 20:07:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:08:05 <hylje> you mean python isn't serious? 20:08:51 <Yorick> hmm... I CAN convert a string to a string, but not to an array 20:09:05 <Gonozal_VIII> java can :-) 20:09:23 <Yorick> but python has list 20:09:37 <SpComb> Yorick: expecting splitting on an zero-length seperator string is a bit of an irrational assumption 20:09:49 <SpComb> +to produce some result 20:09:53 <Gonozal_VIII> and is there no function like charAt(x) ? 20:10:32 <SpComb> Yorick: are you trying to do something with Python? A str is iterable over its induvidual characters 20:10:35 <Yorick> there are only 9 string manipulating functions 20:11:00 <Gonozal_VIII> and they are? 20:11:26 <Yorick> no, some strange limited scripting language, about 800 kb in size 20:11:47 <SpComb> ah, well, yes, it's well-known that custom scripting languages smell 20:11:48 <Gonozal_VIII> substrings could also work 20:11:51 <hylje> a language that small doesn't strive for perfection 20:11:58 <hylje> nor elegance 20:12:08 <Yorick> but it strives for being smaal 20:12:16 <Yorick> so I'l have to add functions myself 20:12:23 * SpComb wonders how large window's cmd.exe batch-file interpreter is 20:12:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F22E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Windows shutdown) ((~_~]"] 20:12:27 *** Armadillo [~armadillo@host-82-135-95-12.customer.m-online.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:41 <Yorick> SpComb: 390 kb 20:13:00 <peter1138> SpComb, lua, i believe 20:13:02 <SpComb> cmd.exe? Does that include all the statements like if, for, etc? 20:13:05 <Armadillo> hi 20:15:09 <Yorick> hi 20:15:28 <Yorick> SpComb: cmd includes if and for, yes :) 20:15:31 <Armadillo> i setted up a dedicated openttd server on linux and tried to set the max clients ans max companies to 20, but when I start the server is starts with the standard settings and changes the max_clients and max_companies setting in the configfile to the default settings, is there a way to get that working? 20:15:46 <peter1138> nope 20:15:49 <Yorick> max_clients can be max 10 20:15:51 <peter1138> the defaults are the absolute max 20:15:52 <reto> you cant have more than 8 companies 20:15:58 <Yorick> unless patched 20:16:45 <Armadillo> hm ok, but then i'm wondering about this server in the servelrist: http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=14340 20:16:59 <Yorick> its patched 20:17:20 <Armadillo> is that patch available for normal people, too? :) 20:17:29 <Yorick> ask the server admin 20:17:31 <Yorick> or ammller 20:17:41 <dih> hehehe 20:17:46 <dih> forget that patch 20:18:05 <Armadillo> hm ok :-/ 20:18:07 <dih> it's a really dirty thing and breaks other stuff 20:18:17 <dih> which we disable so the server does not die 20:18:35 <dih> you are talking about the more clients patch right? 20:18:39 <Yorick> like company colors 20:18:40 <Armadillo> yep 20:19:53 <Armadillo> ok, if that patch causes that much problems i don't want it :D 20:22:02 <Armadillo> thanks men ;) 20:24:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-157-131.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:30:27 <Armadillo> another question: i got openttd working on my mobile phone, but the fonts are that small, that i can't read them, because the resolution is only 320*240, is there a way to increase the font size of the whole game? 20:30:56 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 20:31:02 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 20:31:48 *** Osai [~Osai@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:16 <Armadillo> hi 20:37:47 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@145.74.181.240] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 20:38:00 <glx> Armadillo: we don't support pocketpc version, but it may have *_font and *_size in openttd.cfg 20:38:33 <Armadillo> oh ok, thanks i'll search for that 20:39:33 <peter1138> it's probably a pre-freetype build 20:39:37 <peter1138> or not compiled with it 20:39:45 <Bjarni> most likely the latter 20:40:47 <Bjarni> Armadillo: some guys made the PPC port by butchering parts of the code (specially the GUI). It's possible to donate money to them and if you do we will never see any of it even though it's a donate button on an OpenTTD page 20:41:17 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11938 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_canal.cpp newgrf_canal.h): -Codechange: support loading of canal/river properties (though still ignored) 20:41:54 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:41:59 *** dih is now known as dih|away 20:42:05 *** dih|away is now known as dih 20:42:18 <Gonozal_VIII> properties like flow units?^^ 20:43:03 <Belugas> no... trouts amount per minute... 20:43:08 <Bjarni> do you really want to know? 20:43:24 <Gonozal_VIII> trouts are important for slapping 20:43:35 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D85F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:39 <hylje> slaps per minute per tile 20:43:40 <Ammler> someone else problems with GRF "Narrow Gauge Rails" ? 20:43:48 *** lekro [~lekro@s01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:51 <Gonozal_VIII> nope, modified it 20:43:58 <Bjarni> Ammler: are you asking for problems? 20:44:10 <Ammler> :) 20:44:20 <Ammler> Gonozal_VIII: mean? 20:44:22 <Ammler> s 20:44:25 <Gonozal_VIII> but the version from the forum didn't load, only the one from coop pack 20:44:56 <Gonozal_VIII> but i didn't test the most recent version 20:45:21 <Gonozal_VIII> because i have my own modified version and such.. 20:45:50 *** TX [~pIRCuser6@hard-soft--121.colo2.kv.wnet.ua] has joined #openttd 20:45:50 <Ammler> yeah, but I would prefer a downloadable working version? 20:46:08 <Gonozal_VIII> the one from coop pack worked for me 20:46:19 <Gonozal_VIII> didn't replace the buttons and cursors... 20:46:35 <Gonozal_VIII> but rails, tunnels bridges and such worked 20:49:15 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:17 *** AntB is now known as Guest68 20:49:19 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 20:50:08 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5C62D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:43 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:59 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: bye all!] 20:54:18 *** Guest68 [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:44 <Belugas> Communicatiooooooooooon 20:55:56 * hylje communicates with Belugas 20:56:12 <peter1138> what's that? 20:56:31 *** Armadillo [~armadillo@host-82-135-95-12.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Quit: Cya @ irc.PenguinFriends.org ;-) | www.PenguinFriends.org] 20:56:47 <Bjarni> a conversation 20:57:44 <Belugas> naaa... a song... 20:58:06 <Bjarni> even worse 20:58:07 <Belugas> Tool, Schism 20:58:12 <Belugas> maaaaaaaaaan 20:58:23 <Bjarni> a song song by a tool? 20:58:48 <Bjarni> I thought it was Bill Clinton, not George Bush who were into music 21:02:47 <dih> hi 21:03:55 <Bjarni> dih: managed to fast forward main menu? 21:04:20 * Belugas doubts Bjarni could appreciate that song ;) 21:04:30 <Bjarni> damn right 21:04:35 <Bjarni> it's from America 21:04:39 <Bjarni> it's infested 21:06:30 * Belugas finds it strange to disregard art based on nationality... must be a danish thuing... 21:06:44 <dih> i got function calles in to stop the pause and unpause in the menu 21:06:47 <dih> but i tell you 21:07:00 <dih> it didn't half make me laugh 21:07:38 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:10:13 <Belugas> well... you wanted to try ? there you go :) 21:10:19 <Belugas> i hope you enjoyed it ^_^ 21:10:26 <dih> i am enjoying it 21:10:30 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B5469.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B5577.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:11:08 * Belugas replays THE song 21:11:23 <hylje> you lost THE song 21:11:37 <Belugas> you MAKE no sens 21:12:05 <dih> lol 21:13:11 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@91.84.76.250] has joined #openttd 21:15:07 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.84.113.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:53 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-084-057-241-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:09 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:48 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:32:54 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-255-24.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:35:51 *** LordAzamath_ [~LAlord]@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 21:39:22 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:44:52 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:55:14 <Ammler> Gonozal_VIII: there is a new version available: 0.93, did you try that? 21:55:29 <Gonozal_VIII> no i didn't 21:55:40 <Ammler> the coop pack has 0.92 21:56:16 <Ammler> the new version seems to fix "my problems" :) 21:56:34 <Gonozal_VIII> which are? 21:58:43 *** Desolator [~mircea@86.126.53.18] has joined #openttd 22:00:57 <ln-> Bjarni: how many times have you been in germany during the 2000's? 22:01:04 <ln-> been to 22:02:02 <Ammler> Gonozal_VIII: ngrails and snow in temperate 22:03:59 <Bjarni> 0 22:04:07 <ln-> and before that? 22:04:28 <Belugas> nevar 22:05:46 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... my version doesn't support snow in temperate 22:06:32 <Bjarni> 0 22:06:47 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-121-216-238-3.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:07:28 <ln-> Bjarni: and after that? 22:11:21 <ln-> Bjarni: and the big question: why? 22:11:35 <Belugas> naaa... the bigger question : who cares 22:11:55 *** Desolator [~mircea@86.126.53.18] has quit [Quit: Konversation bought the farm!] 22:12:54 <Ben_1> Belugas: Hi, did you get my message's earlier today? 22:13:06 <Belugas> her... 22:13:14 <Belugas> maybe not, i had to reboot... 22:13:29 <peter1138> message's! 22:13:44 <Bjarni> ln-: so why do you want to know so much about me? 22:13:51 <Bjarni> do you plan on stocking me? 22:13:57 <Bjarni> *stalking 22:14:13 <Bjarni> damn... I do multitasking bad right now :| 22:14:28 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15:09 <ln-> Bjarni: you mean something like: i'd start patrolling the danish-german border by extrapolating your next visit from the previous frequency? 22:15:37 <Bjarni> something like that 22:16:00 <Bjarni> I only travelled to the south once 22:16:15 <Bjarni> that turned out to be a once in a lifetime experience 22:16:20 <Bjarni> I'm not doing that again 22:16:33 <Bjarni> then again Germany != Malta 22:16:58 <ln-> if i lived as close to germany as you do, i'd visit it twice a year. 22:17:21 <Bjarni> you travel like crazy so I imagine that you would do it more often 22:17:38 <peter1138> bjarni lives in a local village for local people 22:17:51 <Bjarni> damn right 22:18:31 <ln-> Bjarni: also i have the impression that you are some sort of a rail fan, and germany is the place for a rail fan. 22:19:58 <Bjarni> ohh... there was an old lady who went to Germany on her moped regularly and when she returned the customers asked if she had anything for the customs and she said a whole lot of cigarettes, booze and so on and they laughed at her joke and told her to continue... They saw her as an old weird lady saying odd stuff and it was a repeating joke. Eventually once guy decided to check her bag and it turned out that she was right and she had 22:19:59 <Bjarni> all the stuff she mentioned 22:20:15 <Bjarni> and since she always told about it she couldn't get busted for not paying customs 22:21:25 <Bjarni> <ln-> Bjarni: also i have the impression that you are some sort of a rail fan, and germany is the place for a rail fan. <-- I plan on going to Harzen eventually 22:21:40 <Bjarni> maybe look up Eddi|zuHause as he is close by (relatively) 22:21:54 <Bjarni> but... it might take a while 22:22:08 <Bjarni> I need time and money if I'm going anywhere 22:22:12 <ln-> what's Harzen? 22:22:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it's "Harz" 22:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause> without "en" 22:22:30 <Bjarni> It's "Harzen" in Danish 22:22:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and usually with article 22:22:55 <Eddi|zuHause> "der Harz" 22:22:56 <Bjarni> "Die Harz"? 22:22:59 <Bjarni> ohh 22:22:59 <Bjarni> der 22:23:38 <ln-> what's in there? 22:23:41 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: the most northern mountain range in germany 22:23:46 <Bjarni> steam rail operation 22:23:52 <Bjarni> narrow gauge 22:24:11 <Gonozal_VIII> could also be stuff that comes out of trees 22:24:25 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.privat-bahn.de/HSB_99_5906.html 22:24:43 <Eddi|zuHause> B'B mallet engine 22:24:49 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuhaaLfyQAo 22:25:13 <Bjarni> hmm... didn't watch all of that video 22:25:27 <Bjarni> now it took a turn for the worse :s 22:25:29 <ln-> in welchen bundesland liegt es? 22:25:36 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... didn't install flash player 22:25:52 <HiHoHAmster> hessen and sachsen-anhalt 22:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: half in Niedersachsen and half in Sachsen-Anhalt 22:26:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hessen is not even close ;) 22:28:08 * ln- has been to hessen 22:29:19 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtHdQZcULGI <-- this one looks better 22:29:38 <Bjarni> even though the fireman messed up :P 22:29:39 <ln-> and schleswig-holstein, and niedersachsen, and brandenburg and sachsen-anhalt, and bayern, and baden-wÃŒrttemberg. 22:30:05 <Eddi|zuHause> <Yorick> split("abcd", "") is expected to give ["a", "b", "c", "d"], but it doesn't, it gives [empty separators string] <-- wtf? i am to 98% sure that you are trying the wrong thing here 22:31:37 <ln-> and nordrhein-westfalen 22:33:14 <ln-> and thÃŒringen, and possibly also rheinland-pfalz 22:34:55 <ln-> so, still missing: mecklenburg-vorpommern, saarland, sachsen, berlin, hull. 22:35:01 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 22:35:07 <Bjarni> HULL??????? 22:35:09 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 22:35:12 <Bjarni> why do you want to go there? 22:35:20 <Bjarni> you wanna get robbed? 22:35:39 *** wnight [~r00t@S01060012171a40a9.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:52 *** wnight [~r00t@S01060012171a40a9.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:00 <ln-> well i admit i was only testing if anyone's reading what i say. 22:36:15 <ln-> and i do not recognize Hull as a german bundesland. 22:36:45 <Bjarni> that too 22:37:44 <Bjarni> well I admit that I didn't read all of it but skipped forward to the issue that I should reply on :P 22:38:13 <Bjarni> you have been all over the place... specific locations aren't that important considering that I'm not going 22:38:16 <Bjarni> at least not right now 22:38:52 <Bjarni> I wonder.... maybe ln- will show up in Denmark eventually 22:39:48 <ln-> been there three times 22:40:20 <ln-> the latest two visits being very brief 22:40:21 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:41:18 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 22:41:19 <ln-> but it's not out of the question i'd end up there again. 22:41:26 <ln-> direct flight connection and all. 22:41:47 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@91.84.76.250] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:41:51 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:44:44 *** lekro [~lekro@s01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:44:53 <Bjarni> planes are evil 22:45:17 <Bjarni> they pollute a whole lot and makes people travel more than they should 22:46:22 <ln-> well there are no alternatives. 22:46:35 <Belugas> flying balloons! 22:47:10 <Bjarni> how about trains and ships? 22:47:32 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 22:47:49 *** HiHoHAmster [~HAmsty@p579DEE03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:48:01 <Bjarni> ships turns out to pollute a whole lot as well because somebody cleverly figured out that they should be covered by international standards and hence no pollution laws 22:48:21 <ln-> Bjarni: not a real alternative on (turku,kÞbenhavn). 22:48:41 <fjb> How about air ships? :-) 22:48:47 <Bjarni> Isn't there a ferry to the Stockholm area? 22:49:15 <Bjarni> <fjb> How about air ships? :-) <-- the Zeppelin factory is still producing and trying to convince people that it's a good idea 22:49:24 <ln-> Bjarni: sure, even three or four per day, but... 22:49:49 <Bjarni> and some people actually wonder about using modern zeppelins for transporting windmills as modern sized ones have problems with bridges and stuff when they are on lorries 22:50:10 <Gonozal_VIII> why should zeppelins not be a good idea? 22:50:21 <fjb> Bjarni: The Zeppelin factory is producing air ships again, not still. 22:50:29 <Bjarni> lack of zeppelin airports? 22:50:49 <Bjarni> fjb: right.... 22:51:00 * Bjarni thinks he mentioned something about multitasking a moment before 22:51:06 <Gonozal_VIII> they wanted to produce zeppelins that are able to transport 160t of cargo at more than 150km/h near berlin 22:51:21 <Gonozal_VIII> they built the hall for that and all... 22:51:33 <Gonozal_VIII> now there's a tropical thingy inside 22:51:42 <Bjarni> huh? 22:51:46 <Bjarni> they stopped again? 22:51:47 <Gonozal_VIII> ran out of money 22:51:54 <Bjarni> damn 22:52:18 <Gonozal_VIII> av8 has those :-) 22:52:30 <fjb> The Zeppelin air port in Friedrichshafen has a webcam. 22:52:34 <Bjarni> the concept were good 22:52:50 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 22:52:54 <planetmaker> dih, mark? anyone here? 22:52:59 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: That was not a Zeppelin, that was the Cargo Liofter. It is not related to Zeppelin. 22:53:01 <Bjarni> specially the fact that they can transport odd sized goods that can't fit on a lorry 22:53:11 <ln-> Bjarni, fjb: a view from my front door back in 2004: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/view_from_frontdoor.jpg 22:53:13 <dih> plantemaker: whats up 22:53:32 <planetmaker> can you have alook at your server. People practice bad play and the mood drops... 22:53:34 <fjb> ln-: Nice 22:53:37 <planetmaker> #1 22:53:51 <dih> yep - you can highlight me from there too though 22:54:05 <ln-> the thing in the sky is Zeppelin® 22:54:32 <Bjarni> I have seen modern airships here too 22:54:38 <Bjarni> never took a picture of them though 22:54:44 <Gonozal_VIII> it's a long thing that's flying because it's filled with light gas... i call that zeppelin :P 22:54:57 <Bjarni> and cigar shaped 22:55:04 <fjb> http://www.zeppelinflug.de/pages/D/webcam.htm 22:55:25 <ln-> Bjarni: but about getting to kÞbenhavn: 22:55:34 <Gonozal_VIII> the same way that i will always call the stuff brickland is made from lego 22:55:53 <Belugas> bye bye 22:56:09 <Gonozal_VIII> night belugas 22:56:38 <fjb> Bye Belugas 22:56:53 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489CFE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:56:58 <ln-> Bjarni: plane: departure 1300, arrival 1330. ship+ferry: departure 1930, arrival@stockholm: 0700, train to kÞbenhavn... 8 hours?? + waiting time. 22:57:32 <ln-> Bjarni: ~2 hours vs. ~20 hours 22:58:17 <ln-> and it's hard to sleep well on the ferry. 22:59:05 <Gonozal_VIII> i wonder why there are no airships that are used like cruise ships for long luxory trips around the world 22:59:07 <Bjarni> X2000 can do the trip in 5 hours 22:59:10 <Bjarni> not 8 22:59:19 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-88-121.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:40 <Bjarni> and they start in Stockholm and ends in KÞbenhavn H 22:59:51 <ln-> Bjarni: ok, but still a lot of time. 22:59:54 <Gussoh> gif 0.6.0 final now plix! :D 23:00:02 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: I'm wondering the same. 23:00:03 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Two reasons: Hindenburg and R101 23:00:11 <Bjarni> 0.6.0 final gif??? 23:00:13 <Gonozal_VIII> helium doesn't burn 23:00:18 <Gussoh> Bjarni: ;) 23:00:29 <fjb> Prof_Frink: Modern air ships are using Helium. 23:00:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:57 <Bjarni> if 0.6.0 goes final I will likely know before you guys 23:01:13 <ln-> it wasn't the hydrogen that destroyed Hindenburg. 23:01:23 <Gonozal_VIII> it was 23:01:26 <ln-> wasn't. 23:01:28 <fjb> It was 23:01:42 <Prof_Frink> Well, the rocket fuel coating probably didn't help 23:01:44 <Gussoh> i just want some more servers online for playing. there ase so few servers running new industries newgrf :(( 23:01:45 <Gonozal_VIII> a little hole wouldn't have caused any problems 23:02:04 <Gussoh> and that will probably happen with the release of 0.6.0 23:02:09 <Gonozal_VIII> would have just gone down slowly 23:02:11 <fjb> Prof_Frink: The coating didn't make it worse. 23:02:11 <Gussoh> so i want it badly :E 23:02:11 <ln-> it was the paint on the balloon that was flammable. 23:02:39 <Gonozal_VIII> i saw a documentation about that 23:02:46 <Gonozal_VIII> the paint burned very slowly 23:02:46 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: documentary 23:02:47 <fjb> ln-: That was an old theory. 23:02:50 <Gonozal_VIII> pff 23:03:00 <ln-> fjb: ok. 23:03:01 <Gonozal_VIII> some cm per minute 23:03:01 <Gussoh> looking at mythbusters? ;) 23:03:14 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DB28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:03:21 <Prof_Frink> Gussoh: Horizon more likely 23:03:39 <Gussoh> ok 23:04:13 <Gonozal_VIII> so they would have had lots of time to evacuate 23:04:14 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: how much would a ticket on a luxury-Zeppelin cost nowadays? 23:04:31 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess about the same as on a cruise ship 23:04:43 <Bjarni> most likely no more than a luxury ship ticket 23:04:51 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: you can take a thousand people on a luxury cruiser, but only a few dozen at max on an airship... 23:04:54 <Bjarni> possibly less 23:05:08 <Gussoh> does the zeppelin have internet connection? otherwise i wont go! :D 23:05:15 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 23:05:32 <Bjarni> I think the satellite connection is at least as good as on board planes 23:05:56 <Gussoh> but the latency is really bad! my IRC will be lagging :( 23:05:56 <Prof_Frink> OK, who plugged Amarok into IRC? 23:06:09 <Prof_Frink> Here we are, discussing zeppelins 23:06:10 <Gonozal_VIII> i think there would be a lot of demand for that 23:06:18 <Prof_Frink> and it starts playing Stairway 23:07:15 <ln-> danish flags on Discovery Civilisation! 23:08:21 <Bjarni> ? 23:08:46 <ln-> they were waving them at british invaders. 23:09:06 <Bjarni> what are you talking about? 23:09:32 <ln-> Discovery Civilisation is a tv channel, you know, that shows documentaries. 23:09:52 <Bjarni> Danish flag+British invaders? 23:10:06 <Bjarni> The English are nice people (with a few known exceptions) 23:10:07 <ln-> oh, they call them liberators. 23:10:15 <Bjarni> Lord Nelson being one of them 23:10:33 <ln-> "the germans are going to the terrible reality. poor poor mislead germans." 23:10:37 <Bjarni> I have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about 23:10:39 * Prof_Frink makes Bjarni a cup of tea 23:10:44 <Bjarni> apart from something being on TV 23:10:52 <Bjarni> hmm 23:10:54 <Bjarni> tea 23:10:58 <Bjarni> now that you mention it 23:10:59 <Gonozal_VIII> transrapid wagons are working too :D 23:11:00 <Bjarni> brb 23:14:02 *** murr4y [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:41 <Bjarni> back 23:14:46 <Gonozal_VIII> wb 23:14:59 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fd0b7.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 23:15:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:15:01 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 23:15:03 <Bjarni> now I have enough tea for the rest of the night 23:15:30 <Prof_Frink> That's a lot of tea. 23:15:31 <Bjarni> aka somebody else in the family screwed up and made too much xD 23:16:07 <Prof_Frink> During an average day at work, I have... lots of tea. 23:16:15 <Bjarni> nice 23:16:21 <Bjarni> good thing it's not coffee 23:16:33 <Prof_Frink> I'm not up the duff y'know 23:17:20 <Bjarni> I didn't imply that you are so uncivilized that you drink coffee... I stated that it's a good thing that you don't 23:17:23 <dih> night 23:19:59 <Gonozal_VIII> i can't believe it... i really have working transrapid and transrapid wagons now instead of the 3 caboose thingies of serbian railset 23:20:26 *** dih is now known as dih|away 23:21:29 <Bjarni> I don't believe it either 23:21:40 <Bjarni> you stole those from another GRF file, right? 23:21:57 <Gonozal_VIII> lalalala 23:22:04 <Gonozal_VIII> but only the sprites! 23:22:16 *** murr4y [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has joined #openttd 23:22:20 <Bjarni> which means... now you can connect them to other trains? 23:22:31 <Gonozal_VIII> erm... no 23:22:40 <Gonozal_VIII> different tracktype 23:22:48 <Bjarni> oh 23:22:50 <Bjarni> ok 23:23:06 <Gonozal_VIII> they run on monorail, nothing else is on monorail and monorail sprites replaced with transrapid track 23:23:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host90-235-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:23:28 <Gonozal_VIII> maglev is narrow gauge 23:23:42 <Bjarni> what is normal rails? 23:23:48 <Gonozal_VIII> normal rails^^ 23:23:58 <Bjarni> sounds complicated 23:24:09 <Bjarni> I just realised something 23:24:24 <Bjarni> we lack the ability to add narrow gauge as a new tracktype 23:24:48 <Gonozal_VIII> monorail sucks anyways 23:25:36 <Bjarni> think about Japan (those with all the weird gadgets). They have narrow gauge with and without catenary. They have standard gauge with DC and AC catenary (don't know if they have them without catenary). They have more than one type of monorail and maglev 23:25:48 <Bjarni> that's more than OTTD can handle 23:25:51 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:25:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 23:26:24 <Gonozal_VIII> at the moment... 23:26:35 <Bjarni> yeah 23:26:44 <Gonozal_VIII> a single bit could double the number of railtypes 23:27:03 <Bjarni> I think we are using a byte for tracktype 23:27:12 <Gonozal_VIII> huh? 23:27:22 <Bjarni> but not everywhere 23:27:27 <Gonozal_VIII> :S 23:27:31 <Gonozal_VIII> strange^^ 23:27:34 <Bjarni> no 23:27:50 <Bjarni> in some places the tracktype is in a var of it's own and then it's a byte 23:28:08 <Bjarni> if it's an argument to a command then it can be reduced to as few bits as needed 23:28:08 <Gonozal_VIII> ah.. i meant in the array 23:28:18 <Gonozal_VIII> other stuff doesn't matter that much i guess 23:28:33 <Bjarni> it's the other stuff that needs to be fixed for this to work 23:28:50 * Sacro fixes Bjarni 23:29:12 <Gonozal_VIII> i have enough railtypes for my taste now... 23:29:30 <Bjarni> @kick Sacro get lost 23:29:30 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [get lost] 23:29:33 <Gonozal_VIII> normal, electrified, transrapid and narrow gauge 23:29:42 <Bjarni> that way he will not come back 23:29:43 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 23:29:46 <Gonozal_VIII> what else should i want? 23:29:48 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:29:53 <Gonozal_VIII> he's back... 23:29:58 <Bjarni> looks like it 23:30:04 * Sacro should start his own channel, without Bjarni 23:30:14 <Bjarni> hey 23:30:16 <Sacro> with blackjack, and hookers 23:30:21 <Bjarni> ohh 23:30:26 <Bjarni> well that's more like you than me 23:30:29 <Bjarni> I give you that 23:31:03 <Bjarni> if it were up to me (and it is in this channel) then prostitution would be illegal and the customers would go to jail 23:31:31 <Gonozal_VIII> why that? 23:32:02 <Bjarni> because the story about the happy hooker is a myth 23:32:33 <Bjarni> and removing their customers is an efficient way of ensuring that they will stop their wrong doing 23:33:31 <Bjarni> besides it's a place to spread STDs, abusing illegal aliens (smuggled in for the same purpose) and split up families when somebody is unfaithful 23:33:55 * Sacro removes muslims so that Danish people are no longer racist 23:34:10 <ln-> you don't know aliens carry STDs that can infect humans. 23:34:10 <Bjarni> what? 23:34:20 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:34:45 <Bjarni> Sacro: I didn't say anything about racism or Muslims 23:35:00 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai^zZz|away 23:35:21 *** safsdjfsdf [~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:35:21 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest86 23:35:21 *** Guest86 is now known as Guest87 23:35:21 *** safsdjfsdf is now known as Gonozal_VIII 23:35:35 <Gonozal_VIII> bah... i told him to stop downloading until i'm gone... 23:35:35 <Bjarni> I talked about illegal aliens who are living in a slave like environment only placed there to please men and their pay is not to get beaten (that much) 23:35:55 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: are you going anywhere? 23:36:28 <Gonozal_VIII> uni 23:36:55 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-88-121.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:37:00 <Bjarni> I thought you lived in a dorm 23:37:04 *** Osai^zZz|away is now known as Osai 23:37:16 <Gonozal_VIII> nope 23:37:19 <Bjarni> also uni rarely have lectures at night 23:37:22 <Gonozal_VIII> why did you think that? 23:37:37 <Bjarni> you share the net connection with other people 23:38:08 <Sacro> he's a schizophrenic 23:38:18 <Gonozal_VIII> we have a big house... some people pay for rooms here 23:38:40 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:38:50 <Bjarni> owned by your parents? 23:38:57 <Gonozal_VIII> grandparents 23:39:16 <Gonozal_VIII> they live in the 2nd(3rd) floor 23:39:54 <Gonozal_VIII> i and my mother are on the ground floor (1st) and rooms are on the 1st (2nd) floor 23:39:54 <Bjarni> you live with your grandparents.... I would never have expected that 23:39:55 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 23:40:15 <Bjarni> so you are kind of like the landlord? 23:40:34 <Bjarni> so whenever you tell this guy to stop downloading it's the will of the landlord? 23:40:43 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 23:40:51 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:40:52 <Gonozal_VIII> he pays part of the internet bill 23:41:05 <Bjarni> so do you (I presume) 23:41:13 <Bjarni> meaning you shouldn't be kicked off 23:41:13 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 23:41:22 <Gonozal_VIII> right... 23:41:34 *** Guest87 [~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:54 <Gonozal_VIII> good thing is the router is here, right next to me... i can just pull his cable anytime it annoys me too much 23:42:02 <Bjarni> hehe 23:43:57 *** sdfdff [~Gonozal_V@N898P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:43:57 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest90 23:43:57 *** Guest90 is now known as Guest91 23:43:57 *** sdfdff is now known as Gonozal_VIII 23:43:59 <Gonozal_VIII> ... 23:44:31 <ln-> e.g. now? 23:45:07 <Gonozal_VIII> yep, cable gone 23:45:48 <Gonozal_VIII> there's another guy in a different room upstairs but he doesn't use the internet much 23:46:28 <Gonozal_VIII> they'll both finish school here this year, so they'll be gone soon 23:47:43 <Gonozal_VIII> after them there will be two girls in those rooms, they already booked them 23:47:57 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:48:02 <ln-> good looking? 23:48:11 <Gonozal_VIII> as we all know there are no girls in the internet, the router will be mine then 23:48:15 <ln-> legal age? 23:48:20 <Gonozal_VIII> 14-15 i guess 23:48:34 <ln-> sounds too little, although i don't know how old you are. 23:48:41 <Gonozal_VIII> 23 23:49:09 <Gonozal_VIII> not within the age/2+7 rule 23:49:58 *** Guest91 [~Gonozal_V@N771P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:27 <ln-> i once talked with a girl who was into p2p. 23:52:48 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:53:53 <ln-> talked in real life. 23:54:04 <ln-> otherwise i couldn't obviously be so sure it was a girl. 23:54:11 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 23:54:39 <Gonozal_VIII> sometimes you can't even be sure there 23:55:43 <ln-> she was at least convincing. 23:56:21 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11939 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: some type fixes and very initial steps into supporting NDS by default. Based on work by Dominik. 23:56:40 <Gonozal_VIII> yay nds 23:56:48 <Gonozal_VIII> what's nds? 23:57:05 <Dominik> Nintedo DS 23:57:15 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaah 23:57:53 *** Zothar_ [~Zothar@ppp-70-242-202-109.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 23:59:13 <svip> :o 23:59:23 <svip> OTTD on DS? Crazy. 23:59:30 <svip> Having trains in your hand. 23:59:32 <svip> Awesome.