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00:00:05 <Prof_Frink> Yes, it's the term "advance" that's annoying 00:00:48 <Gonozal_VIII> you could say train is advancing signal :D 00:01:48 *** murray [murray@2002:9e27:7c85:8:210:5aff:fe3b:5950] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:19 <Gonozal_VIII> that can't be misunderstood, right? 00:02:42 <Gonozal_VIII> is advancing and has passed 00:02:51 <Prof_Frink> I think it's because "in advance" is normally referring to time rather than distance 00:03:55 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:32 <Prof_Frink> peer'd 00:04:51 <Gonozal_VIII> my last name is peer :-) 00:05:25 <Gonozal_VIII> i reset people's connections all the time 00:09:48 <Audigex> thats nothing 00:10:03 <Audigex> Ping Timeout, pleased to meet you 00:10:38 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.243.254.35] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 00:10:48 * nappe1 needs a faster processor... making builds while debuging is boring.... 00:11:25 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:11:26 <Prof_Frink> <insert xkcd "my code's compiling" reference> 00:11:39 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 00:11:40 <Sacro> pfft 00:11:44 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: j00 been peer'd 00:11:45 <Gonozal_VIII> but he's not at work 00:12:00 <Gonozal_VIII> or is he? 00:12:06 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: i accidently yoinked my servers power cable out 00:12:18 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:12:24 <nappe1> to me everyone else is "Pong" (I go and and introduce myself "?PING" I always get an reply "!PONG" or then Mr. Peer here comes around and makes me die.. :~( ) 00:12:25 <nappe1> ;) 00:12:54 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-36-102.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:16:13 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: it seems that this patch is working, eventhough the effect isn't that big. :D 00:16:31 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 00:16:35 <Gonozal_VIII> no big effect? 00:16:39 <Gonozal_VIII> how's that? 00:18:56 <nappe1> well, I am debuging right now... as in first tests I got that income was cutted half when I multiplied days in transit with day length multiplier 00:19:21 <nappe1> but now I am unable to get more than 10% difference... 00:19:35 <nappe1> oh wait I just got an idea... 00:19:44 <Gonozal_VIII> divide by daylength? 00:22:35 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:23:24 <nappe1> no, I multiply the transit time (which is counted in days). :) with doing that I don't need worry modifying cargo payment rates, for financial side the game is running on same speed as original. (when days get twice longer, transit days halves, so multiplying it should do the trick) 00:24:04 <Gonozal_VIII> max is 255 00:25:02 <nappe1> the cargo payment system is really weird... propably still same as it used to be in TTD... there's in fact three different ways to pay cargo deliveries depending how long they have taken to deliver (if I understood right.) 00:25:46 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: yep, I do the multiplication only if the result si smaller than 255 (0xFF) if the result would be bigger, I just set the transit time to 0xFF 00:26:15 <Gonozal_VIII> well... that's not enough then 00:26:52 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe you could change the max age of cargo packets to 16 bit or something? 00:27:50 <nappe1> well, yes. but the problems should arise when delivery time surrpasses 127 game days. the problems I am dealing with are visible much much shorter distances. :D 00:28:23 <nappe1> maybe yes. I don't think that being too hard, except it's going to take double amount of memory 00:28:37 <Gonozal_VIII> payment decay is not linear 00:29:10 <Gonozal_VIII> change the age to ticks instead of days :-) 00:29:19 <Gonozal_VIII> ticks are always the same 00:29:25 <nappe1> :D 00:29:46 <nappe1> that (at least) sounds a much bigger change... :D 00:31:27 <Gonozal_VIII> 16 bit instead of 8 and ticks instead of days... 00:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Well yes, Susan saved the Hogfather. <- funny, i thought the exact same thing ;) 00:33:42 <Gonozal_VIII> no idea what that means 00:34:55 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Read more Pratchett 00:35:20 <Gonozal_VIII> who's pratchett? 00:35:41 <Prof_Frink> Terry Pratchett 00:36:07 <Gonozal_VIII> ah that guy... 00:36:20 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5C886.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:37:42 <Gonozal_VIII> too modern to be found in our library 00:38:15 <Gonozal_VIII> the only new books they buy are romance and crime stuff 00:38:34 <Gonozal_VIII> the rest is pre ww2... 00:40:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> they made a film out of that... 00:40:16 <Gonozal_VIII> they did? 00:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, they showed it christmas 2006 in britain and christmas 2007 in germany 00:41:50 * Prof_Frink rewatched it last christmas :) 00:42:00 <Prof_Frink> Yay for bittorrent-by-proxy 00:42:02 <Gonozal_VIII> what's the german title? 00:42:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> Hogfather? 00:42:20 <Gonozal_VIII> never heard of that 00:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> how should i know 00:42:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> german translations always suck 00:42:31 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 00:43:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> so i don't really pay attention, when i already know the original 00:43:08 <Gonozal_VIII> Schweinsgalopp <-- ^^ 00:43:20 <Gonozal_VIII> i wouldn't watch a film with that title... 00:43:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, that does kind of relate to the content ;) 00:44:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> but really, watch in english 00:44:28 <Prof_Frink> The same people are making a film of TCOM/TLF 00:45:30 * Prof_Frink sleep 00:47:52 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 00:48:29 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489CE4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:49:00 <nappe1> I should be too, but I am addicted to patch making. :-P 00:53:35 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489C464.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:59 *** Osai^city is now known as Osai 00:58:19 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-029-034.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: the postman will wake me to give me my new notebook] 01:01:13 <Gonozal_VIII> compiling takes too long 01:02:36 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: that is really true... 01:02:50 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: guess what? I found the problem. :) 01:03:40 <nappe1> CargoPackets have their own day counters. :) and that's why the Cargo payment stays all the time same. 01:03:54 <Gonozal_VIII> told you :P 01:04:14 <Gonozal_VIII> i told you to change the counter in the cargo packets ;-) 01:04:36 <nappe1> yeah, I was stupid enough not to understand. :D 01:05:06 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: using make or buildottd? 01:05:26 <Gonozal_VIII> make 01:05:32 <glx> what's your cpu? 01:05:51 <Gonozal_VIII> mobile sempron 3400+ 01:06:01 <glx> try make -j2 01:06:08 <Gonozal_VIII> what's that? 01:06:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:06:35 <glx> start more process 01:06:58 <Gonozal_VIII> and that speeds it up? why? 01:07:31 <glx> it does more thing at the same time 01:08:02 <Gonozal_VIII> on a single core cpu :S 01:08:11 <glx> not a problem 01:08:17 <glx> -j2 is very soft :) 01:08:22 <nappe1> mmmkay... 01:08:28 <glx> I use -j4 on my X2 3800+ 01:08:56 <Gonozal_VIII> but cpu usage is 100% how could that go faster with that? 01:09:09 <Gonozal_VIII> well.. you know better than me, i'll try 01:09:15 <glx> try and see 01:09:49 <nappe1> Cargo is aged on every 185th cargo tick. so, what's the relation between main engine ticks and cargo ticks... 01:10:20 <Gonozal_VIII> a day is 72 ticks afaik 01:10:49 <Gonozal_VIII> and a year is 364 days in some functions, 365 or 366 in others 01:12:08 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: 74 ticks as default yes, but It is a bit of mystery how the game keeps syncronized Cargo age and rest of the game.. 01:12:35 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't have to? 01:12:45 <Gonozal_VIII> usually game speed doesn't change 01:12:56 <nappe1> that's true... 01:13:38 <nappe1> oookay, so there's need to write something correct Cargo Age ticks with the time multiplier... 01:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> oook... i'm getting really weird graphics glitches here... 01:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> one of the office buildings appears to have a totally wrong offset 01:14:26 <Gonozal_VIII> my advice would be to write a seperate patch that changes the cargo packets without daylength first 01:14:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's like it's sunk into the ground several stories 01:15:20 <Gonozal_VIII> or 8 pixel 01:17:58 *** sdgdgd [~Gonozal_V@M3348P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:17:58 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest769 01:17:59 *** sdgdgd is now known as Gonozal_VIII 01:18:46 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: pretty good suggestion, but as I am working with source having whole bunch of patches, I think I don't have much to lose here... :) 01:19:26 <Gonozal_VIII> i did that too... but it's better to have a clean source 01:19:41 <Gonozal_VIII> if something goes wrong you know what caused it 01:21:04 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 01:23:25 *** Guest769 [~Gonozal_V@M3348P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:01 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3FE63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:28:15 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: yeah... 01:28:55 <nappe1> so far I am pretty much on track what I have changed... planning to make this all over again with clean source when starting to build release version. :D 01:29:25 <nappe1> so, CargoTick went to uint16... :D 01:29:32 <Gonozal_VIII> why? you could just create a .patch file and apply that 01:30:01 <Gonozal_VIII> don't have to start from the beginning ;-) 01:30:12 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: because I don't want get your muoltipatch release included in that patch. ;) 01:30:20 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 01:30:58 <nappe1> most likely I'll make few diffs from files like economy.cpp which I have changed most... 01:32:06 <Gonozal_VIII> i have bad memory.. 01:32:17 <Gonozal_VIII> i apply a patch, compile takes a long time... 01:32:22 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3D790.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:28 <Gonozal_VIII> it finishes compiling and i forgot what patch it was 01:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> press "up" twice, it will show the command line before "make" ;) 01:34:18 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of output in between, console only keeps 300 lines 01:35:05 <Gonozal_VIII> and that wouldn't tell me which patch it was 01:35:24 <Gonozal_VIII> i apply them with tortoise, no console stuff 01:35:26 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77A1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:36:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's sad for you ;) 01:38:45 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1E37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 01:38:50 <Gonozal_VIII> are you proud that your patch is included in the famous Gonozal_VIIIIN?^^ 01:40:14 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 01:40:45 <Gonozal_VIII> millions of people are using your patch now! 01:40:57 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks to me :-) 01:41:16 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 01:41:51 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh right, there's something that might cause a little trouble there 01:42:23 <Gonozal_VIII> trouble is bad... what? 01:42:27 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-58.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: Idle.] 01:42:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> when a train stops in the middle of the station, the platform ahead of it is still reserved for PBS 01:42:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> so when it starts up, it cannot reserve a path to the next signal, because some tiles are reserved 01:42:56 <Gonozal_VIII> so if it turns around instead of passing through bad thing? 01:43:02 <Gonozal_VIII> ah 01:43:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it should be fine for turning around 01:43:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> when turning around, it should delete the previous reservation, and attempt a completely new one 01:43:39 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: I think I accidentally also found _why_ it is so easy to make money in OpenTTD compared to original... 01:43:44 <Gonozal_VIII> it doesn't try to reserve a path without a signal... 01:44:07 <Gonozal_VIII> why? 01:44:23 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: CargoDays goes on half speed compared to real days on status bar. 01:44:59 <nappe1> 17 CargoDays is 34 Real Days. 01:45:17 *** sasff [~Gonozal_V@N862P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:45:18 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest770 01:45:18 *** sasff is now known as Gonozal_VIII 01:45:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> that should not be a problem per se... 01:45:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> road vehicles were going at different speeds internally than trains for a long time 01:45:55 <Gonozal_VIII> they don't do that now 01:46:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but that does not mean their visible speed was different 01:46:16 <Gonozal_VIII> all same speed, nice little vehicles 01:46:25 <nappe1> Eddi|zuHause2: oh that's right... I didn't recalled that... 01:46:25 <Gonozal_VIII> it was 01:46:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> it was just different scale 01:46:41 <nappe1> has that been changed already? 01:46:52 <Gonozal_VIII> ah you mean visible speed in terms of the displayed km/h 01:47:16 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, that was correct only their movement on the map was strange 01:47:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> i mean visible speed as in when you run two vehicles in parallel, that display the same speed 01:47:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can't compare the speeding up part 01:47:59 <Gonozal_VIII> train with 200 had same speed as a plane with 800 01:48:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> i said road vehicles 01:48:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> not planes 01:48:24 * Eddi|zuHause2 gives big slaps for Gonozal_VIII 01:48:35 <Gonozal_VIII> :-( 01:48:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> the sun doesn't become you :p 01:48:50 <Gonozal_VIII> next week, not now :P 01:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> oohhh... i thought, like, right now... 01:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> NOT! 01:49:41 *** Sogard^ [~Sogard@ip68-106-55-143.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:49:51 <Gonozal_VIII> why not? there are places on earth that have sun now... 01:49:59 *** Tefad_ is now known as Tefad 01:50:09 <nappe1> well, I give a shot changing CargoPackets ticks upperlimit as DAY_TICKS :) let's see what that does for incomes... 01:51:09 <Gonozal_VIII> only counts one day long? 01:51:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> daylength has two balance issues there 01:52:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> 1st: cargo traveling time must be adjusted 01:52:12 *** Guest770 [~Gonozal_V@M3348P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:13 <Gonozal_VIII> imho the easiest way would be to divide all incomes by daylength 01:52:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> 2nd: vehicle income must be adjusted, because they arrive twice as often 01:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> s/twice/daylength factor/ 01:53:41 <Gonozal_VIII> running and purchase costs stay the same.. 01:54:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> the whole gameplay needs serious rebalancing, tweaking some factors won't help 01:55:17 <Gonozal_VIII> name something that doesn't get balanced out by dividing vehicle incomes by daylength 01:55:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> so you'll need 5 years instead of 2 to get more money than you can ever spend... 01:55:44 <Gonozal_VIII> well... that has nothing to do with the daylength 01:55:45 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: the intrinsic unbalance that is inside the TTD economy 01:56:25 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-106-55-143.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:57:04 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-106-54-226.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, i preached that apparently not often enough... you need to walk the entire source, keep track of all timing events, and decide for every event wether it should be time based (daily, monthly, yearly) or tick based 01:58:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> possibly each one individually 01:59:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> because some users will want it this way, and some the other way 01:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway... bed... 01:59:52 <Gonozal_VIII> night 02:00:36 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 02:03:45 *** Sogard^ [~Sogard@ip68-106-55-143.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:03:55 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 02:06:14 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 02:08:22 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 02:17:27 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 02:25:45 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 02:33:53 <Gonozal_VIII> what is all that stackdump stuff with sh.exe? 02:34:10 <glx> sh crashed 02:34:16 <glx> nothing important 02:34:26 <Gonozal_VIII> why does it do that every time? 02:37:30 <Gonozal_VIII> so far configure never worked at first try 02:42:33 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 02:42:56 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm strange 02:43:31 <Gonozal_VIII> when buildin some pbs signals very fast, it builds normal signals instead 02:44:13 <Gonozal_VIII> how can the timespan between clicks influence what gets built? 02:45:40 <ln-> get a mac 02:45:53 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 02:46:09 <Gonozal_VIII> why would that have anything to do with my os? 02:46:21 <Gonozal_VIII> and/or pc 02:46:27 <ln-> its sh doesn't crash on configuring. 02:46:40 <Gonozal_VIII> ah that^^ 02:46:49 <Gonozal_VIII> well, my sh does that a lot 02:56:43 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-121-216-53-146.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:57:13 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493D6BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 03:29:47 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:51:39 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:52:37 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-121-216-53-146.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:55:05 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:49 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:57:34 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:28:10 *** mcbane_ZZzzz [~Maui_key@p5498FD2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:28:10 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498FD34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:29:28 <Gonozal_VIII> you can use an integer that can have other values than 0 or 1 as a boolean value O_o 04:30:02 <ln-> why not? 04:30:22 <Gonozal_VIII> everything that's not 0 is true? 04:30:50 <ln-> that's true. 04:30:51 <GoneWacko> 0 or null as far as I've always learned/assumed 04:31:16 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm asking because i found that: if (_opt.autosave) { 04:31:30 <ln-> let's not confuse null with anything here. 04:32:10 <Gekz_> 15:30 < Gonozal_VIII> everything that's not 0 is true? 04:32:11 <Gekz_> 15:30 < ln-> that's true. 04:32:13 <Gekz_> bash.org :P 04:32:25 <Gonozal_VIII> very funny :P 04:32:41 <GoneWacko> that's going to get negative scores in no time :( 04:32:46 <ln-> it's not funny enough for bash.org. 04:32:51 <GoneWacko> also whos confused? :p 04:32:54 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm trying to implement autosave every day/week :-) 04:32:57 <GoneWacko> also, I'm off to bed 04:33:00 <ln-> although that wouldn't prevent bjarni from pasting it. 04:33:19 <Gonozal_VIII> night Gonozal_VIII 04:33:22 <Gonozal_VIII> ;-) 04:33:28 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 04:35:32 <Gonozal_VIII> with daylength patch set to maximum, autosave every month is almost useless 04:39:08 <Gonozal_VIII> stupid slow compiling 04:40:10 <Gonozal_VIII> wow, it seems to work 04:42:34 <Gonozal_VIII> yay both day and week settings work :D 04:44:41 <Gonozal_VIII> old settings are still working too 04:58:55 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:04:07 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:04:12 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 05:08:26 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-171-007.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:10:17 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-145-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:24:37 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:44:45 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:23:19 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@i577B5114.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:27:01 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-29-55.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 06:29:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B651C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:31:19 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-36-102.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:39:27 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:43:30 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DBE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:44:49 *** Nicko[work][afk] is now known as Nicko[work] 06:49:44 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489CE4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:52:08 *** ln-_ [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 06:54:03 *** ln- [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:59:47 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-171-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:11 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:05:28 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-157-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:05:56 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 07:08:21 *** blathijs_ [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 07:13:04 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 07:13:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 07:20:11 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> venus.oftc.net quits: blathijs 07:23:54 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip18.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 07:23:58 <LordAzamath> hello 07:24:04 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 07:24:14 <Forked> greetings 07:24:52 <LordAzamath> I just read an interesting news... TGV recieved an update :P AGV.. 07:24:53 <LordAzamath> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQQ/is_5_40/ai_62871157 07:26:00 <DJ-Nekk|d> i did read something similar, but way shorter in norweegian a few days agl... 07:26:12 <DJ-Nekk|d> plus some on BBC-online 07:26:25 <DJ-Nekk|d> it will come out ca 2011 07:26:25 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't understand that 07:27:13 <LordAzamath> Gonozal_VIII: Basically... Faster train, more capacity, same cost 07:27:23 <Gonozal_VIII> no, i can understand that... 07:27:29 <Gonozal_VIII> but not norwegian 07:27:38 <LordAzamath> haha 07:27:42 <Gonozal_VIII> ;-) 07:27:56 <LordAzamath> I know few words of Norwegian.. 07:28:15 <Gonozal_VIII> i know even fewer 07:28:18 <LordAzamath> Utgang is exit and ingang is entrance :D 07:28:24 <LordAzamath> IIRC 07:28:59 <LordAzamath> I was in Norway erm. two years ago.. 07:29:11 <Gonozal_VIII> you probably read that ingang on a german sign where the E fell off 07:29:23 <LordAzamath> ? 07:29:33 <Gonozal_VIII> it's eingang in german 07:29:41 <LordAzamath> nope.. it was in Oslo 07:29:54 <LordAzamath> I visited Norway two years ago 07:30:40 <DJ-Nekk|d> urc :) 07:31:31 <Gonozal_VIII> does any of you play with daylength patch? 07:31:49 <DJ-Nekk|d> when i played with miniin or chrisin i did... 07:32:32 <Gonozal_VIII> because i made a modification today to enable daily and weekly autosave :-) 07:32:59 <DJ-Nekk|d> that is actually smart... 07:33:22 <DJ-Nekk|d> i remember i played with a factor of 15 or 30 once, and the game crashed at day 26 or something 07:33:30 <Forked> meep 07:33:39 <DJ-Nekk|d> efficiently killing 10 minutes or so of building 07:34:05 <Gonozal_VIII> a lot can happen in a month with daylength 30 07:34:14 <Forked> Gonozal_VIII: I do, and I saw :) what was the v-> something-> bug though? never seen it 07:34:52 <DJ-Nekk|d> Gonozal_VIII: exact,y 07:35:06 <Gonozal_VIII> vehicle wasn't passed as a pointer anymore or something like that... v changed to this 07:38:05 <DJ-Nekk|d> Btw, Ingang and Utgang is correct LordAzamath/Gonozal_VIII 07:38:17 <LordAzamath> yeah! 07:38:25 <LordAzamath> :) 07:39:50 <peter1138> LordAzamath, "news" from May 2000? 07:39:58 <LordAzamath> wtf? 07:40:08 <peter1138> The URL you posted. 07:40:16 <Gonozal_VIII> olds?^^ 07:40:28 <LordAzamath> well.. I read a new new in Estonian.. 07:40:41 <LordAzamath> and then googled for AGV so I could post a link 07:41:02 <LordAzamath> http://www.postimees.ee/080208/esileht/valisuudised/310646.php 07:41:09 <LordAzamath> if you really want 07:42:24 <Gonozal_VIII> keep your olds :P 07:43:13 <LordAzamath> the first sentence means that The world's fastest train, moving in standard gauge, was presented this week in France with Nicholas Sarkozy's participation.... or something like that 07:43:41 <Gonozal_VIII> the trains we use have a top speed of 357 km/h 07:44:19 <LordAzamath> KÃŒmme aastat kestnud arendustegevuse ÃŒhe etapina testiti möödunud aastal rongi mootoreid ja saavutati tavaraudteel liikuvate rongide kiirusrekord 574,8 kilomeetrit tunnis. 07:44:19 <LordAzamath> This means 574,8 km/h is top speed 07:44:26 <LordAzamath> but only during testing 07:44:32 <Gonozal_VIII> ah 07:44:39 <LordAzamath> It'll not going to run this fast 07:46:04 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-014-146.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:21 <Gonozal_VIII> nice train 07:48:19 <Gonozal_VIII> and i read that the energy consumption of a conventional highspeed train is about the same as a maglev train with same speed 07:49:46 <Gonozal_VIII> therefore it doesn't make sense to build maglev tracks, except if you build them in low pressure/vacuum tubes 07:50:27 <Gonozal_VIII> and i think that will replace most air traffic some day 07:51:09 <peter1138> Aircraft will be clean when they implement flight-path catenary... 07:51:17 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-20-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:51:22 <Gonozal_VIII> huh?^^ 07:51:49 <peter1138> Quite. 07:52:15 <Gonozal_VIII> now that's a strange idea, where did you get that from? 07:52:26 <peter1138> Just now. 07:52:52 <Forked> Gonozal_VIII: just shout if you need a new win32 binary hosted 07:53:05 <Gonozal_VIII> soon^^ 07:53:30 <Gonozal_VIII> at least i hope... 07:53:45 *** Wolfensteijn [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-018-248.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:53:48 <Gonozal_VIII> depends on if the modifications i made work 07:54:14 <Gonozal_VIII> stupid sh crashing all the time 07:55:03 <Gonozal_VIII> the new version already works but lots of people want paxdest so i'll include paxdest 07:55:22 <LordAzamath> Gonozal_VIII: Will your diff then be something like.... GonozalIN? ^^ 07:55:37 <LordAzamath> :P 07:55:43 <Gonozal_VIII> eddi wrote Gonozal_VIIIIN^^ 07:55:55 <LordAzamath> lol 07:55:56 <LordAzamath> ^^ 07:56:44 <Gonozal_VIII> poking around in the code, not knowig what most of it does... 07:56:49 <Gonozal_VIII> that's fun^^ 07:58:03 <LordAzamath> I should probably do something useful... but I'm a bit tired of drawing/coding atm.. :( 07:58:51 <Gonozal_VIII> but your grf stuff got a lot better since you started 07:59:35 <LordAzamath> ? 07:59:44 <LordAzamath> coding skills? 07:59:52 <Gonozal_VIII> drawing... 07:59:57 <LordAzamath> hmm 08:00:01 <LordAzamath> perhaps 08:00:03 <Gonozal_VIII> coding i don't know 08:00:35 <LordAzamath> actually, I think no for coding.. I mean I have only used the simplest actions :D 08:01:08 <LordAzamath> ActionA, Action7, Action10, ActionD, Action8 and sometimes Action4 08:01:37 <peter1138> And all the interesting stuff happens in Action2 08:01:37 <Gonozal_VIII> see.. i don't even know what action d or 4 are 08:02:00 <LordAzamath> D is for defining default parameters and 4 is for renaming stuf 08:02:13 <LordAzamath> peter1138: All the difficult part is in Action2 too 08:02:18 <Gonozal_VIII> and i would never touch a action 2... they are scary 08:02:19 <LordAzamath> especially var Action2 08:02:32 <LordAzamath> so I agree with Gonozal :P 08:03:14 <Gonozal_VIII> they jump around like mad and check for the weirdest things... 08:04:16 <LordAzamath> hehe 08:05:49 <Gonozal_VIII> the openttd code is at least readable^^ 08:07:55 <LordAzamath> well.. commented nfo is readable too 08:08:08 <LordAzamath> but not the one you get from decoding 08:10:31 <LordAzamath> wiki.ttdpatch.net is either down, or very slow... 08:13:34 <LordAzamath> does anyone know where is the standalone specs located? or mirrored? The one which is linked in specs page? 08:13:45 <LordAzamath> ttdpatch wiki, I mean 08:15:53 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaand compiling again... 08:16:15 <Gonozal_VIII> that's the good thing about grfs, they compile fast 08:17:22 *** Leviath [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:23:10 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn6-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has joined #openttd 08:23:20 *** DJ-Nekk|d [~DJNekkid@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:23 <Forked> irc at work!? :p 08:23:44 <ln-_> what? who? 08:23:58 <Forked> DJ-Nekkid I'm guessing (oh and I might be guilty of that too) 08:24:22 <ln-_> outrageous. 08:25:17 <Forked> I work at my ISP .. I thought I was suppose to .. urh .. use the internet .. it's educational.. right? :) 08:25:24 <ln-_> oh, wait, actually i'm also at work at the moment, and on irc. 08:25:43 <Forked> I don't even irc.. I just ssh 08:28:13 <Gonozal_VIII> it works!! 08:29:09 <Gonozal_VIII> i made a new tab in the configure patches menu :-) 08:29:31 <DJ-Nekkid> Forked: what is my host now? 08:29:46 <Forked> DJ-Nekkid: grps-blablabla.telenor 08:29:53 <DJ-Nekkid> aye 08:29:55 <Forked> therefor I guessed "at work" :) 08:29:59 <DJ-Nekkid> hehe 08:30:01 <DJ-Nekkid> yup ... 08:30:09 <DJ-Nekkid> laptop in service-car :) 08:30:14 <Forked> handy 08:30:20 <DJ-Nekkid> sitting outside AspÞ atm ... gonna troubleshoot one of your ... clients? 08:30:37 <Forked> ah 08:30:47 <Forked> I'm at the hq.. behind locked doors (leveranseavdelinga) 08:30:58 <DJ-Nekkid> sb.nr 32105461 in case you were wondering :) 08:31:42 <Forked> the customer is deaf (is that spelled right?) .. can't hear a thing 08:31:44 <DJ-Nekkid> btw guys, his HQ is at the 4th and 5th floor, and in the 1st floor is one of our city's pubs ... and it's among the top5 seller of beer :) 08:31:58 <DJ-Nekkid> isn't it death? ;) 08:32:10 <Forked> pretty sure it's not ;) 08:32:18 <DJ-Nekkid> close enouhg 08:32:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 08:33:33 <Forked> I'm waiting for vdsl2.. mmm 08:33:52 <DJ-Nekkid> me2 :) 08:33:53 <DJ-Nekkid> 125mbit? 08:34:06 <DJ-Nekkid> 2+ 08:34:11 <DJ-Nekkid> 2+' aint fast enough any more 08:34:12 <DJ-Nekkid> :) 08:34:28 <Forked> not with my distance and shitty cabling :\ .. probably more around 40-50Mbit down (650M, alot of it is 0,4mm) 08:34:31 <DJ-Nekkid> well, what im actually is waiting on is "open beta" on your cable tv via dsl 08:34:51 <DJ-Nekkid> im at 1700m so ... 08:35:08 <Forked> vdsl2 is pointless over 1000m afaik 08:35:26 <DJ-Nekkid> damnit! 08:36:20 <Forked> also tv signals are overrated.. one does not need such things :) 08:36:47 <DJ-Nekkid> lol 08:36:59 <DJ-Nekkid> tPB 4tw? 08:37:06 <Forked> nope 08:39:36 <DJ-Nekkid> can you check if you can see that client btw? so i dont have to call Svein? 08:39:41 <Forked> I don't use nor like tpb :) 08:39:44 <Forked> sec 08:40:56 <Forked> port is down 08:41:08 <peter1138> First floor pub? How bizarre. 08:41:12 <Forked> enhet 453 08:41:14 <Forked> peter1138: ground floor 08:41:29 <peter1138> Pubs should be in their own building, not with floors above... 08:41:55 <DJ-Nekkid> i always confuse thoose floors 08:42:07 <DJ-Nekkid> *get confused* 08:42:17 <DJ-Nekkid> my god my english suck sometimes 08:42:24 <DJ-Nekkid> /always 08:43:03 <Gonozal_VIII> in english first floor and ground floor is the same... in german the first floor is the one above the ground floor 08:43:47 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:44:23 <peter1138> No, in English first floor is also above the ground floor. 08:44:30 <LordAzamath> Gonozal_VIII: peter is right 08:44:33 <peter1138> It's the Americans who have it all wrong. 08:44:41 <Gonozal_VIII> aaah cool 08:44:41 <LordAzamath> and below ground floor is basement 08:44:46 <LordAzamath> :P 08:45:07 <peter1138> 08:44. Work at 09:00. 08:45:11 <Gonozal_VIII> americans also don't have a 13th floor and strange things like that 08:45:14 <peter1138> I should finish getting dressed :o 08:45:29 <Forked> I hate this day already 08:45:30 <Forked> afk 08:45:38 <ln-_> choose a nice dress 08:46:42 *** LordAzamath is now known as LA[feeling_ill] 08:47:08 <peter1138> *nod* 08:47:13 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 08:50:01 <Gonozal_VIII> if nothing goes wrong now, i'll only have to compile one more time and then i know all updated and merged patchs work and i can upload :-) 08:51:52 <DJ-Nekkid> Gonozal_VIIIIN ? 08:52:21 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe, yes 08:52:38 <Forked> Gonozal_VIII: say when =p 08:52:57 <DJ-Nekkid> Forked: his patch on that server of yours? 08:53:16 <Gonozal_VIII> huh czech.txt doesn't want to be patched :S 08:53:27 <Forked> DJ-Nekkid: what server of mine? web or ttd? 08:53:44 <DJ-Nekkid> that ttd one you talked about the other day 08:54:04 <Forked> oh, no.. not atm.. but havne't really played the last week .. except for some testing pbs yesterday 08:54:12 <DJ-Nekkid> oh 08:54:43 <Forked> I could always put one up though later 08:55:01 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54F99.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:55:02 <Forked> I expect there is a new patch collection coming any minute now :p 08:55:04 <DJ-Nekkid> im not playing too much on fridays ... wife-time 08:55:04 <DJ-Nekkid> hehe 08:55:16 <Forked> :) 08:55:32 <DJ-Nekkid> and im also trying to figure out how to use the callbacks... 08:55:35 <Forked> friend of gf might be coming over today.. I heard some talk of "hair dye" then tuned out 08:55:52 <DJ-Nekkid> hehe, no shit sherlock :) 09:00:15 *** Ash_ [~ash@ppp59-167-110-86.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:04:29 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm strange characters in czech.txt are broken 09:04:36 <Gonozal_VIII> probably my fault 09:05:50 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-20-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:06:09 <LA[feeling_ill]> Gonozal_VIII: ofcourse your fault 09:06:16 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 09:06:17 <LA[feeling_ill]> everything is your fault ;P 09:11:20 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaaand compiling 09:13:25 <Gonozal_VIII> i've compiled like 100 times today... 09:16:28 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:16:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 09:16:49 <Gonozal_VIII> shouldn't you be at work now peter? 09:17:11 <DJ-Nekkid> he prolly is :) 09:17:15 <DJ-Nekkid> i am :) 09:17:34 <Gonozal_VIII> and very productive ;-) 09:17:53 <Gonozal_VIII> oh, compile finished 09:18:08 <Forked> DJ-Nekkid: did you get that lady up and running? :p 09:18:08 <DJ-Nekkid> i started at 0830, now it's 10:17, and ive fixed 2 connections already 09:18:17 <DJ-Nekkid> afaik 09:18:26 <DJ-Nekkid> she was wrong connected in the central 09:18:36 <LA[feeling_ill]> ttdpatch wiki is STILL down :( 09:18:39 <DJ-Nekkid> (to the old DSLAM/ISP, not to yours) 09:18:56 <DJ-Nekkid> LA[feeling_ill]: i have a zip of that page... 09:18:58 <DJ-Nekkid> if u want it 09:19:12 <peter1138> Gonozal_VIII, yes, I am. 09:19:41 <Gonozal_VIII> it works :-) 09:20:19 <Forked> DJ-Nekkid: ah 09:20:44 <LA[feeling_ill]> DJ-Nekkid: I want :D 09:21:35 <DJ-Nekkid> im DCC'ing 09:21:44 <DJ-Nekkid> if it works (doubtfull) 09:22:22 <LA[feeling_ill]> am I supposed to get some popup window with agree to download? :D 09:22:33 <LA[feeling_ill]> didin't get any 09:23:30 <DJ-Nekkid> oki 09:23:33 <DJ-Nekkid> add my msn... 09:23:56 <DJ-Nekkid> pm'ed 09:24:17 <peter1138> So, are you a DJ, and are you naked? 09:24:33 <DJ-Nekkid> yes and no :) 09:24:34 <Forked> DJ-Nekkid: oh and yep, port is up now :) about 16Mbit 09:24:45 <DJ-Nekkid> i know, svein told me on msn :) 09:24:48 <Forked> hah 09:24:56 <Forked> he forgot to log it 09:25:19 * peter1138 puts on some ELP. 09:26:11 <Tefad> extremely large penises? 09:26:18 *** LA[feeling_ill] [~LordAzama@ip18.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26:43 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip18.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 09:26:50 <peter1138> Err, no. 09:27:01 <DJ-Nekkid> extended long play 09:27:05 <DJ-Nekkid> aka EP :O) 09:27:16 <Tefad> what about SP? 09:27:22 <peter1138> Emeerson, Lake & Palmer... 09:27:46 <DJ-Nekkid> single play? 09:27:53 <Tefad> VHS terms? 09:27:59 <peter1138> DRM taken to extremes ;) 09:28:02 <Tefad> SP LP E(L)P 09:28:02 <peter1138> Short play. 09:28:03 <DJ-Nekkid> vinyl 09:28:15 <Tefad> hmm 09:28:25 <Tefad> i've only heard RPMs in coorelation with vinyl 09:31:18 <peter1138> LP = 12", EP = 10", Single = 7"? or something 09:33:24 <DJ-Nekkid> both EP and LP is 12" 09:34:13 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36127 09:34:17 <Gonozal_VIII> yay new version 09:34:57 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:35:19 <Gonozal_VIII> could you please host a new binary forked? :-) 09:38:57 * peter1138 is listening to: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Take A Pebble - (10:08/12:31) 09:39:05 <peter1138> Yay, SPAM! 09:39:23 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes mp3 script 09:40:25 <peter1138> Ooh, my audioscrobbler plugin is working again. 09:41:04 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 09:41:11 * LordAzamath is listening to Moby - Dream about me (Hotel)... this kind of spam? 09:41:38 * DJ-Nekkid is listening to Nrk Petre - Filmplaneten 09:42:37 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:44:03 <DJ-Nekkid> no ffs.... 09:44:14 <DJ-Nekkid> it's Filmpolitiet 09:44:19 <peter1138> I have no equalizer 09:44:27 <peter1138> Silly rhythmbox... 09:45:09 * LordAzamath is listening to "Positiivsed tulnukad" by "Chalice" on "Taevas ja perse" 09:45:45 *** asgdgdg [~Gonozal_V@N860P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 09:45:45 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest798 09:45:45 *** asgdgdg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 09:46:39 * peter1138 is listening to: Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer - The Three Fates; i) Clotho (Royal Festival Hall Organ) ii) Lachesis (Piano Solo) iii) Atropos (Piano Trio) - (0:09/7:43) 09:47:21 * LordAzamath is listening to "Charango" by "Morcheeba" on "Charango" 09:47:46 <peter1138> What! There's no Royal Festival Hall Organ in that :/ 09:48:01 <LordAzamath> hmm.. I think that's why we have the "Whatcha listening @ da moment" thread for 09:48:10 <peter1138> Forum threads suck 09:48:37 <Forked> Gonozal_VIII: compiling 09:50:21 <Gonozal_VIII> i hope it works 09:51:30 *** Guest798 [~Gonozal_V@N862P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:53:06 * LordAzamath is listening to "Undress me now" by "Morcheeba" on "Charango" 09:55:01 <LordAzamath> hehe, now I added kopete function to do this automatically :D 09:55:01 <LordAzamath> Now listening to:Get Along by Morcheeba on Charango 09:55:57 <LordAzamath> wonder, if it does it twice... 09:55:58 <Gonozal_VIII> does it work forked? 09:56:11 * peter1138 points at #openttd.spam 09:57:17 <Forked> Gonozal_VIII: trying to do some actual work here.. and it's juist done compiling 09:57:20 <Forked> wont testrun it : 09:57:21 <Forked> p 09:57:31 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe, work 09:57:36 <peter1138> Actual... work...? 09:57:50 <Forked> trunk_r12083_long_filename_r12083.patch_08.02.2008_10-57-20 09:57:57 <Forked> what should I name the .rar file? 09:58:05 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 09:58:27 <Forked> long_filename_r12083.patch.rar ? 09:58:38 <Gonozal_VIII> without the patch... 09:58:54 <Gonozal_VIII> i think 09:58:58 <Gonozal_VIII> but doesn't matter 09:59:45 <Forked> uploading.. 09:59:54 <Gonozal_VIII> yay thanks 10:00:00 <Forked> I am really looking forward to vdsl2 .. maybe I get some 10-20Mbit upload 10:00:11 <Gonozal_VIII> wow 10:00:18 <Gonozal_VIII> what's vdsl2? 10:00:50 <Forked> http://www.skagset.no/openttd/r12083_long_filename.rar <- there.. if you wnat to update your post :) 10:01:20 <Forked> vdsl2 is .. a fairly new DSL technology.. that gives greater speed on >1000M long lines 10:01:24 <DJ-Nekkid> Forked: ETA of that for à lesund sentral? 10:01:41 <Forked> DJ-Nekkid: I'm pretty sure I can't comment on that to the outside.. sorry :\ 10:01:58 <DJ-Nekkid> pm then :) 10:02:02 <Forked> but I'm on à L .. so you might see when we start testing for real :p 10:02:14 <DJ-Nekkid> hehe 10:03:33 <DJ-Nekkid> hehe... 10:03:37 <Forked> but like I said.. less than 1000M .. or else it turns into adsl2+ 10:03:40 <DJ-Nekkid> i wanna be in that test-group :) 10:03:50 <DJ-Nekkid> nah! hehe 10:03:55 <DJ-Nekkid> i want one! 10:03:57 <DJ-Nekkid> hehe 10:04:03 <Forked> 2+ or worse, I think 10:04:05 <Forked> only read about it 10:04:53 <Forked> arrgh 10:04:56 * Forked curses kapaks 10:05:01 <DJ-Nekkid> im sure it will be better then that! 10:05:08 <DJ-Nekkid> kapaks sux! 10:05:18 <DJ-Nekkid> and the ADSL-ppl in telenor use it as their bible 10:05:26 <DJ-Nekkid> "but kapas say they can have x speed" 10:05:35 <DJ-Nekkid> and i say "but they cant!" 10:05:49 <Forked> "ledig linje" .. well let me use it then 10:05:51 <Forked> bastards 10:05:57 * Forked curses jara a bit too 10:06:00 <Forked> anyway .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_High_Speed_Digital_Subscriber_Line_2 10:07:46 <Forked> Gonozal_VIII: update your win32 binary link :) 10:07:58 <DJ-Nekkid> but i suppose at my line it will surpass the 15mbit i currently have 10:08:17 <Gonozal_VIII> i would need a new link for that :-) 10:08:35 <peter1138> Lies. If it was digital you wouldn't need modems... 10:08:37 <DJ-Nekkid> 100 Mbit/s at 0.5 km (1640 ft) and 50 Mbit/s at 1 km (3280 ft), but degrades at a much slower rate from there, and still outperforms VDSL. Starting from 1.6 km (1 mile) its performance is equal to ADSL2+. 10:09:13 <DJ-Nekkid> what would you hook it into then? 10:09:23 <DJ-Nekkid> the lan-port? 10:09:31 <Gonozal_VIII> ooooh 10:09:45 <Forked> DJ-Nekkid: 100Mbit ethernet? 10:09:54 <LordAzamath> is now listening to: "At the River" by "Groove Armada" on "The Best of" 10:09:59 <keyweed> the achieved quality depends on the length of the copper phone line and the quality of it. other factors like interference may also slow you down 10:10:14 <DJ-Nekkid> keyweed: i know ... 10:10:21 <DJ-Nekkid> i work as a telecom installer 10:10:21 <DJ-Nekkid> :) 10:10:27 <keyweed> whatever your ISP sais .. they cannot change the laws of physics 10:10:32 <Gonozal_VIII> updateded 10:10:38 <keyweed> i work as a perl coder for a Dutch ISP :) 10:10:40 <Forked> this why I'm hoping for 40-50Mbit at my 0.65km 10:11:01 <DJ-Nekkid> keyweed: i also know that, and i struggle with one of the ISPs ppl saying "but t 10:11:01 <Forked> for some reason I get top speed out .. (1199kbps) .. hardly anyone gets that on dsl2 .. even on supposedly better cables 10:11:27 <DJ-Nekkid> "byt my books say you can get a <set> line" 10:11:36 <keyweed> i don't know my speed yet. haven't bothered connecting a new modem 10:11:41 <DJ-Nekkid> and i say "no you cant, there is too much <factors> here" 10:12:08 <DJ-Nekkid> Forked: i get close-to-top-speed at mine ... 1080kbps 10:12:12 <keyweed> customers who think the laws of physics are adjustable. we have those too 10:12:46 * peter1138 finds his 8M/400K adequate 10:12:53 <Forked> DJ-Nekkid: I bet you did replaced parts of it with better cables ;\ 10:13:04 <DJ-Nekkid> nope... 10:13:24 <keyweed> i've got a 20/1 line but my current modem can't do that. 10:13:43 <keyweed> i don't care much about speed. i care about reliability 10:14:11 <DJ-Nekkid> keyweed: indeed 10:14:26 <DJ-Nekkid> as much speed as possible for highest possible reliability :) 10:14:33 <keyweed> but this fast line is free. staying on the slower one would have cost me money... 10:14:41 <keyweed> strange place this world. 10:14:51 <DJ-Nekkid> hehe 10:14:58 <Forked> the dslam and modem are generally quite good at finding a good speed vs good reliance .. at least on my connection 10:15:08 <DJ-Nekkid> Forked: not on mine ... 10:15:20 <DJ-Nekkid> i had to adjust it slightly down... 10:15:22 <DJ-Nekkid> or, Svein did 10:15:26 <Forked> hehe 10:15:34 <Forked> I get close to 19000kbps down .. and 1199 up 10:15:35 <DJ-Nekkid> i can get 16,4 or something 10:15:38 *** madis[LA] [~chatzilla@ip18.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 10:15:41 <DJ-Nekkid> slightly unstable 10:15:51 <DJ-Nekkid> and he did set it to 16, and works like a charm 10:15:56 <DJ-Nekkid> check port 1040 10:15:59 * madis[LA] is back with ChatZilla 10:16:10 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip18.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 10:16:18 <Forked> not now, got to get this one done before lunch :) 10:16:39 <DJ-Nekkid> well, when you feel like it :) 10:17:06 <DJ-Nekkid> or if :) 10:17:44 <Forked> hehe 10:17:49 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:18:10 <DJ-Nekkid> *afk, work* 10:18:24 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:18:26 <Gonozal_VIII> i think now is a good time to get some sleep 10:18:37 <peter1138> Reboot to windows time :o 10:18:52 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:19:04 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36127 *spamspam* 10:20:00 * madis[LA] /kick Gonozal_VIII "No spam here" 10:20:02 <madis[LA]> :P 10:20:09 <Forked> *hamham* 10:21:54 <Gonozal_VIII> good night :-) 10:22:25 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N860P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 10:26:14 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn6-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:01 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 10:27:12 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn6-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has joined #openttd 10:36:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> <LordAzamath> wiki.ttdpatch.net is either down, or very slow... <- there is usually "wiki2" as backup 10:36:40 <madis[LA]> thanks :D 10:36:55 <madis[LA]> is it possible to separate Action0A from realsprites with eg action10? 10:36:57 *** blathijs_ is now known as blathijs 10:37:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have no idea ;) 10:37:32 <madis[LA]> so I could have action07 skip only headers, but not sprites... 10:39:44 <peter1138> huh? 10:39:53 <peter1138> What are you trying to achieve? 10:47:46 <Forked> hmm 10:52:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F21D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:57:41 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 11:00:20 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-44.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 11:00:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:31 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 11:08:40 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:57 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:18 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 11:10:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:18:11 *** murray [murray@2002:9e27:7c85:8:210:5aff:fe3b:5950] has joined #openttd 11:25:01 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:01 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:26:14 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:28:57 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5C886.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:44:18 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 11:47:17 <madis[LA]> ok.. now a small part of things are done :D 11:47:29 <madis[LA]> of my plan 11:47:32 <madis[LA]> today 11:49:37 <madis[LA]> what do you guys think should I make a grf which help you to set up eyecandy dig depots.. something like in this mockup 11:49:39 <madis[LA]> http://www.hot.ee/madisaasmae/eyecandy.png 11:50:16 <peter1138> no 11:50:24 <peter1138> write it as a feature so that they're actually real ;) 11:51:42 <madis[LA]> ? 11:52:16 <peter1138> was my english complicated? 11:52:36 <madis[LA]> it didn't make sense 11:52:49 <madis[LA]> to me 11:53:00 <peter1138> how so? 11:53:15 *** Korenn [~blaat@78-27-14-50.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 11:53:31 <madis[LA]> what are actually real? 11:53:51 <peter1138> the big depots... 11:54:00 <peter1138> the vehicles sitting in them... 11:54:02 <peter1138> the shunting yards... 11:54:07 <Digitalfox> madis[LA]: Peter means " Code a feature that allow wagons to be on track without engine " ;) 11:54:25 <madis[LA]> or make the engine transparent 11:54:31 <peter1138> and shunted around 11:54:35 <madis[LA]> it's actually a screenshot 11:54:40 <madis[LA]> not a mockup :D 11:54:46 <Digitalfox> Unless the newgrf God *Hint* has already created that code 11:55:09 <madis[LA]> and there is only one train in each track 11:55:11 <peter1138> Digitalfox: no, i don't think Belugas has done it 11:55:34 <peter1138> madis[LA]: hence it is not real 11:55:38 <Digitalfox> Maybe he has ;) buahahaha 11:55:45 <peter1138> i didn't mean real as in screenshot vs mockup 11:56:45 <madis[LA]> but until newgrf GOD has done something, why not use this solution? 11:57:02 <peter1138> i don't see what it has to do with newgrf, heh 11:57:16 <madis[LA]> me neither 11:57:23 <madis[LA]> but Digitalfox mentioned it 11:57:25 <peter1138> so make a very slow transparent engine, heh 11:57:30 <madis[LA]> done 11:57:32 <peter1138> so bored people can pretend 11:57:41 <madis[LA]> and transparent wagons too 11:57:48 <peter1138> that is unnecessary 11:57:50 <madis[LA]> 3/8 lenght 11:57:59 <madis[LA]> so you can add whatever gap in there 11:58:06 <peter1138> oh, i suppose 11:58:15 <madis[LA]> done 11:58:21 <madis[LA]> but only for toyland 11:58:24 <peter1138> make the engine refittable 11:58:25 <madis[LA]> because it's WIP 11:58:29 <madis[LA]> ? 11:58:31 <Digitalfox> No sense of humor.. :( 11:58:35 <peter1138> dunno if that can change its length 11:58:43 <peter1138> i want real shunting :D 11:58:45 <madis[LA]> engines can't 11:58:57 <peter1138> engines can't what? 11:59:02 <madis[LA]> change lenght 11:59:27 <madis[LA]> only wagons 11:59:33 <peter1138> why not? 11:59:37 <madis[LA]> dunno 11:59:47 <peter1138> engines certainly can have different lengths 12:00:19 <madis[LA]> This property does not work for the first vehicle in a train (i.e. the engine). 12:00:23 <peter1138> that's bollocks 12:00:24 <madis[LA]> from wiki 12:00:39 <peter1138> ukrs has used shorter engines since... well, years ago. 12:00:50 <madis[LA]> http://wiki2.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Trains#Shorter+train+vehicles+%2821%29 12:00:54 <peter1138> yes, i can read 12:00:58 <Sacro> MOAR PBS UPDATES PLS 12:01:17 <peter1138> never trust 'facts' in a wiki :p 12:01:31 <peter1138> Sacro: MORE PBS SERVERS! 12:01:38 * peter1138 ponders doing his 12:01:49 <Forked> hmm I could do that.. 12:02:07 <Sacro> peter1138: go on then D: 12:02:09 <Sacro> with UKRS 12:02:13 <Sacro> and blackjack 12:02:15 <Sacro> and hookers 12:02:18 <peter1138> what? 12:02:24 <Forked> infact.. forget the UKRS and the blackjack 12:03:23 * peter1138 is compiling 12:03:27 <peter1138> no, don't forget UKRS 12:04:04 <peter1138> gah, my chosen server is slow :( 12:04:32 <peter1138> hmmz 12:06:08 <peter1138> Sacro: have you played with it on a server yet? 12:06:13 <peter1138> gah, still compiling :o 12:07:08 <Sacro> peter1138: indeed i have, co-op server has one 12:08:07 <peter1138> ah 12:08:09 <peter1138> so they have 12:08:19 <peter1138> http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=14630 12:08:48 <peter1138> hmm, i don't have a windows build :p 12:10:01 <Sacro> peter1138: there's one bck on the forums 12:10:07 <peter1138> 12072 it seems 12:10:11 <Sacro> mmm? 12:11:48 <peter1138> it is r12072 not r12062 12:12:16 <Sacro> hmmm 12:12:31 <peter1138> ah well, i can't play now anyway 12:12:35 <peter1138> but i'll leave it on 12:31:39 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:35:44 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 12:40:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EA39.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:49 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:42 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:34 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 13:08:11 <peter1138> So... 13:09:38 * peter1138 waits for 2003r2 to install. 13:15:54 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn6-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:48 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 13:25:22 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 13:31:19 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-28.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:31:40 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn6-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has joined #openttd 13:34:04 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F128.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:09 <fjb> Hello 13:34:50 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:42:50 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493C3AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:20 *** xerxes [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:20 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:22 *** xerxes is now known as shodan 13:47:52 <fjb> Hm, I found a workaround for the problem that the trains don't go into the depot with YAPP. Building the depots in non PBS sections helps. 13:50:19 <Tekky> I think the best solution may be to disable automatic depot servicing in PBS areas and require trains to use go to depot orders for servicing in PBS areas. 13:51:35 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:56 <fjb> The trains don't follow the order to go into the depot for service. They go into the depot, but not only for service but always. 13:52:24 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.boanxx22.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:52:58 <Vikthor> Tekky, I agree, but that would cause insane amount of "bug" reports regardless of how much you will advertise it :D 13:53:17 <peter1138> can the train be told check if it needs to go to a depot before reserving a path...? 13:53:55 <Noldo> why not? 13:54:15 <Noldo> when is it checked now? 13:54:15 <fjb> peter1138: That sounds like the solution if it is possible. 13:54:50 <Tekky> fjb: are you using the order "service in depot" or "go to depot"? 13:54:57 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-014-146.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:07 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 13:55:39 <fjb> Tekky: I used "service in depot". It always reserved the path to the depot then, not only when it needs service. 13:56:07 <Tekky> oh, then it's a bug.... just a moment, let me check whether that happens in my game. 13:56:20 <Sacro> hey Tekky 13:56:27 <fjb> It happens with v2 and v3 13:57:19 <Tekky> hi Sacro :) 13:57:39 * Sacro is in a rather boring lecture 13:57:57 <fjb> Forcing a train into the depot (with the depot button in the train status window) makes the train bypass the depot, go to the station, reverse there and go back to the depot. 13:59:13 <madis[LA]> arggh.. I'm stuck. how do I define for an engine that it doesn't have capacity? 13:59:26 <DaleStan> Set the capacity to zero? 14:00:14 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:32 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:00:50 <madis[LA]> yes I thought that too 14:02:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:02:33 <peter1138> lol 14:02:36 <peter1138> that coop is funny 14:02:44 <peter1138> they've completely missed the point on how to use the signals 14:03:02 <Sacro> oh fsck 14:03:05 <Sacro> got to move 14:03:11 <madis[LA]> but I hthink I'm getting blind, because I can't find anything about capacity in action0Trains... only refittable cargo classes and 1D, but these are for refitting 14:03:15 <hylje> these new fancy scwancy pbs signals? 14:03:50 <madis[LA]> ok.. 14 - cargo capacity ^^ 14:04:02 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-015-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:04:07 <Tekky> fjb: I cannot confirm that "service in depot" doesn't work. It works just as intended with me. However, it is possible that a train doesn't need servicing when it first encounnters the "service in depot" order and therefore skips it. But a few seconds later, when it actually passes near the depot, it decides that it needs servicing and tries to get to the depot anyway, which fails. 14:04:27 <fjb> peter1138: coop people are often doing funny things. Where did they miss how to use the signals? 14:06:00 <fjb> Tekky: That is strange. I alway see the trains passing the depot (and a going to depot message shows a very short time at the bottom of the vehicle status window). 14:06:42 <Tekky> fjb: yes, that sounds to me like a failed attempt of automatic depot servicing. 14:07:20 <fjb> Tekky: How far are your signals apart at your line? 14:07:24 <Tekky> that has nothing to do with the "go to depot" or "service at depot" order. 14:07:44 <Tekky> 6 tiles 14:08:07 <fjb> Tekky: With the service at depot order the train always visits the depot in my game. 14:08:11 <peter1138> fjb: they still use "exit block" signals 14:08:23 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 14:08:25 <peter1138> they still place signals every other tile 14:09:31 <fjb> peter1138: That are bad habits. I didn't like that style even without PBS. But I think I have seen the screenshot that you were talking about. And I also wondered. 14:09:36 <peter1138> quite 14:10:54 <Tekky> with PBS, it is now much more meaningful to increase capacity by offering several tracks to use. There is no need to increase capacity by placing a signal on every square anymore. 14:11:23 <fjb> peter1138: But it is always not easy to change the habbits one is used to. 14:11:33 <Tekky> you should have not more than one signal per train length in the new PBS system. 14:12:03 <fjb> It looked always awful to have signals on every tile. 14:12:29 <hylje> plus signals every other tile means bridges and other gaps need to have themselves doubled 14:12:37 <hylje> to compensate 14:13:22 <fjb> And it prevented trains from reversing to solve a lock. 14:13:46 <Ammller> fjb: there is about 5 years experience in it 14:14:09 <peter1138> ttp://fuzzle.org/o/Screenshot.png 14:14:09 <peter1138> :( 14:14:30 <peter1138> at least the platforms don't have entry signals, i suppose 14:14:31 <fjb> Ammller: Yes, it is. Very specialized for a very specialized style. 14:14:40 <Ammller> for high traffic 14:15:26 <fjb> High traffic with very short trains and only old industries and flat land. 14:16:28 <hylje> short being..? 14:17:07 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB54CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:17:59 <fjb> up to 6 or 7 tiles. Most are about 5 tiles long. 14:18:02 <peter1138> Sacro, play bitch :p 14:18:17 <Sacro> buh? 14:18:22 * Sacro is back in the same lecture 14:18:26 <Sacro> but a different theater 14:18:26 <peter1138> boo :( 14:18:30 <peter1138> i setup a server for you 14:18:36 <Sacro> orly? 14:18:42 <peter1138> and you repay me by being in a lecture! 14:18:44 <Sacro> well i am supposed to be listening to... err... 14:18:59 <Sacro> Software Engineering and Human Computer Interaction 14:19:08 <peter1138> heh 14:19:10 <Sacro> but instead I am playing Peggle 14:19:17 <Sacro> doy ou have windows binaries available? 14:19:26 <peter1138> ... 14:19:34 <Ammller> fjb: tell me a kind of train/map compination we didn't make... 14:19:35 <peter1138> thought you already had them :o 14:19:41 <Ammller> -p+b 14:21:55 <fjb> Ammller: I cann only tell from your screen shots. But you layout is not the best for new industries that don't have an endless high output. 14:22:03 <Sacro> peter1138: on my desktop at home 14:22:07 <Sacro> i'm on the laptop at uni 14:22:09 <Sacro> what rev? 14:22:22 <peter1138> boo 14:22:23 <peter1138> 12062 14:22:40 <Ammller> fjb: coop games are not specialized 14:22:52 <Ammller> we like to try everything someone suggest 14:22:58 <fjb> Tekky: Now I got the service at depot order working at one line. I have to investigate that problem deeper. 14:23:05 <Ammller> if you like build something "big" just join and tell us 14:23:30 <Sacro> i only have 12072 14:23:36 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB738E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:47 <fjb> Ammller: You have very precise style rules. How do you try new styles then? 14:24:17 *** Amis [~amis.weas@dsl5400EA0C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:24:22 <Amis> hi 14:24:33 <Ammller> rules are just for public server 14:24:53 <Ammller> but you can change them, if you like or need 14:25:06 <Ammller> (not on the wiki :-) 14:25:21 <Ammller> (for your kind of game, you like to play) 14:25:30 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-28.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:11 <fjb> Ammller: I don't want you to change your style. But I still think it is a very specialized style. Play with industries with low output, like PBI. 14:27:55 <Ammller> we DON'T have a special style 14:28:31 <Ammller> that rules are just to help new players, how to build and to make it coopish 14:28:44 <fjb> Ammller: But all your screen shots show the same style with slight variations. 14:29:02 <fjb> Building coopish isn't a style? 14:29:28 <Ammller> hmm, one style is given: "big" 14:29:54 <Ammller> and because of that, it looks mostly the same for "outsiders" 14:30:12 * Belugas listens to sigur Ros. Anything that is available on his system 14:30:34 * Sacro wants to do something interesting 14:30:44 <Ammller> fjb: of course it isn't 14:30:56 <Ammller> its not a building style 14:31:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%209.%20Mai%201977.png <- i take suggestions on how to properly PBS that station... 14:31:36 <Ammller> its just a "howto", how to play together and its far away from perfect. 14:32:14 <fjb> Ammller: Try another kind of big, not many short trains, try it with long trains (really long traing, 20 tiles and more) and fewer signals and fewer tracks per line. That is also big, but very different from your approach. 14:32:29 <Mark> fjb, we have 14:32:50 <Ammller> just shortly 14:33:02 <Ammller> Mark: do you have the archive link? 14:33:09 <Mark> yeah 14:33:14 <Mark> one sec 14:33:22 <Mark> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/PublicServer:Archive_-_All_Games 14:33:26 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: start by placing PBS signals on the exit of stations 14:33:41 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: simple :) 14:33:45 <Sacro> and then adding 1 way PBS signals on the approaches 14:33:55 <Ammller> fjb: but of course with signals on every 2. 14:33:55 <Sacro> well, that is if you want 2 way platforms 14:34:00 <fjb> Mark: Ok, I just never saw a screenshot of that. All the coop srceen shots always look almost like the same. Diffent town names, different landscapes, but you cann tell it is a coop game by the first view. 14:34:23 <peter1138> hmmm 14:34:27 <Ammller> of course, nice networks are mostly from there 14:34:30 <Ammller> ;-) 14:34:30 <Tekky> Eddi: remove all normal signals, put a two-way single PBS signal facing the platform in front of every platform, on both sides. Upgrade all pre-signals to one-way single PBS signals. Finished! 14:34:34 <peter1138> my dual-core 5600+ is not enough for that coop game :o 14:34:58 <Tekky> peter1138: dual cores are useless in OpenTTD, I think :) 14:35:06 <Sacro> Tekky: no, facing *away* from the platform 14:35:12 <peter1138> Tekky: it's still 2.8 GHz ;) 14:35:12 * Sacro doesn't want to go through this agin :* 14:35:14 <Sacro> :( 14:35:26 <Sacro> lso, dual core halfs compile times 14:35:29 <Ammller> fjb: no 2x45 and most realistic station entries :P 14:35:48 * peter1138 is going to play on his server by himself, or something 14:35:59 <Ammller> :) 14:36:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> Tekky: that's not "proper" ;) 14:36:41 <Tekky> Eddi: why? 14:37:04 <Tekky> Eddi: You want one platform to stay one-way? 14:38:29 <Tekky> Eddi: Ok, then make one of the platform signals one-way instead of two-way to prevent entry from one side. 14:38:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> both the northern and the southern station entrance have crossing that are unavoidable because of the old signal system, that doesn't allow proper twoway platforms 14:39:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> with PBS, these can be done much more efficient, by keeping the entrances LRLR 14:39:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> instead of mixing them to LLRR 14:40:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> but at that point, you need to make sure that exiting trains can reach all exit lines 14:40:09 <Tekky> oh, sorry, were you talking about PBS'ing Gbf or Hbf? I was talking about Gbf :) 14:40:18 <Sacro> Hbf? 14:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: GÃŒterbahnhof, Hauptbahnhof 14:40:40 <Tekky> there are two stations on Eddi's screenshot. 14:40:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> Tekky: i mean the entire station ;) 14:40:49 <Sacro> i get train station 14:40:51 <Sacro> but not the prefix 14:40:57 <Sacro> :utf8 on 14:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> GÃŒter == Goods 14:41:04 <Tekky> Eddi: entire station = both stations? 14:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> Haupt == Main 14:41:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> Tekky: yes, either all or nothing ;) 14:41:24 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: can you repeat goods 14:41:26 <Sacro> testing utf8 14:41:33 <Tekky> I would translate GÃŒterbahnhof = freight station 14:41:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> nö 14:41:41 <Sacro> :( 14:41:44 <Sacro> ooh 14:41:47 <Sacro> i has umlauts 14:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> HAHA ;) 14:42:00 <keyweed> áá áááááá ! 14:42:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, i agree ;) 14:43:04 <peter1138> Hmm 14:44:06 <fjb> Tekky: Here is the problem. That train has service at depot orders, but it choses to go to the depot even it was services one month ago and the way through the depot is longer: http://www.myimg.de/?img=FrachtGmbH10Nov196724432.png 14:45:26 <peter1138> so it's reserving the path to the next order even though it's not going to stop there 14:46:40 <Sacro> holy... 14:46:44 <Sacro> those graphics are awesome 14:46:44 <fjb> peter1138: Yes, but other trains are only goint to the depot when they need service. Could it be a problem that this train uses a single track line while the other lines are dual track (one per direction)? 14:46:49 <Sacro> what grfs are in use fjb ? 14:47:15 <fjb> Sacro: Just TTRS and Georges ECS vectors (beta 4). 14:47:32 <madis[LA]> so... I just came to this page http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/NewGRF_Support Last time I had seen it Belugas said it's updated almost frequently... 14:47:58 <fjb> Sacro: Trains are DBset XL and the catanary is dutch catanary (they are using the same as in Germany). 14:48:03 <madis[LA]> but for example there are some things /rivers, additional coast/ which are said no 14:48:09 <madis[LA]> even tram tracks 14:48:28 <madis[LA]> But, I dare not update it :P 14:48:30 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5F53B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:49 <madis[LA]> so some dev.. who knows exactly what is he doing :D 14:48:55 <madis[LA]> could do it 14:49:35 <Sacro> fjb: any trin set but ukrs confuses me 14:49:39 * Sacro doesn't get german sets 14:49:45 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:48 <Sacro> dutch catenary is nice though 14:50:28 <fjb> Sacro: Use what you like. I also used UKRS. 14:51:32 <fjb> Sacro: Here is the grf list: http://www.myimg.de/?img=FrachtGmbH12Nov196791668.png 14:51:52 <Belugas> when I do stuff, i do update it, madis[LA]. But i'm not responsible to update stuff done by other devs... 14:52:25 <madis[LA]> Belugas! :D 14:53:09 <madis[LA]> but yes.. just the thing is that no-one else updates it 14:53:11 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 14:53:24 <madis[LA]> so still some things get outdated 14:53:25 <Sacro> fjb: thanks 14:54:24 * hylje outdashes madis[LA] 14:55:20 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5C886.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:02 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-088-066-142-035.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:56:08 <peter1138> madis[LA]: feel free to update it. other people have not been stopped by posting bollocks before... 14:57:08 <madis[LA]> peter1138: how do I know for sure, am I right? 14:57:37 <Belugas> looking at the sources is the only way 14:58:07 <madis[LA]> so it's very helpful, that I can't understand c++? 14:58:07 <Sacro> this guy is talking rubbish 14:58:31 <madis[LA]> Sacro: me? 14:59:09 *** madis[LA] is now known as LordAzamath 15:00:07 <frosch123> LordAzamath: start with newgrf_callbacks.h, there are a lot "// not implemented". I assume they are up to date. 15:01:05 <Sacro> LordAzamath: no 15:01:09 <Sacro> this "lecturer" 15:01:36 * Sacro yawns 15:01:44 *** pm|away [~chatzilla@devera.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:08 <Sacro> hmmm 15:02:10 <Sacro> time to depart 15:02:15 * Sacro reserves a path 15:02:17 *** Yorick [~yorick@82-171-194-232.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:02:20 * Sacro disappears over the block 15:02:21 * hylje crashes with Sacro 15:02:23 <Sacro> D: 15:02:25 <Yorick> hello 15:02:25 <Sacro> damn bug 15:02:32 * Sacro fleees 15:04:07 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:28 <glx> frosch123: comments are usually up to date for callbacks ;) 15:04:43 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:05:03 <hylje> hmm 15:05:16 <hylje> how quickly can lonely locomotives accelerate in general? 15:05:37 <hylje> IRL, that is :> 15:05:41 <peter1138> ottd's acceleration model sucks :D 15:05:52 <hylje> realistic acceleration more so? 15:05:58 <peter1138> both 15:06:05 <LordAzamath> erm... no, glx. Look at 0x37... Source says it's not implemented wiki says it's supported :D 15:06:21 <Yorick> peter1138: does everything suck? 15:06:27 <LordAzamath> nope.. 15:06:30 <peter1138> Yorick: you probably do 15:06:56 <glx> LordAzamath: wiki is wrong then :) 15:07:11 <glx> I just checked and it's not implemented 15:07:15 <LordAzamath> which leads to our recent discussion about Yorick being a bot.. So peter1138, you are right, it is a thing 15:07:40 <Yorick> recent... 15:07:55 <LordAzamath> !Yorick this year.. 15:08:07 <LordAzamath> ^^ 15:08:13 <Yorick> 2008 15:08:23 <LordAzamath> slow bot 15:09:21 <LordAzamath> !yorick say "/me is a bot" 15:09:28 * Yorick is a human 15:09:35 <LordAzamath> ^^ 15:09:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> <hylje> how quickly can lonely locomotives accelerate in general? <- not fast, they have huge power, but few friction to use for tractive effort 15:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> i mean, you can easily beat a 6000hp engine with a 60hp car 15:12:48 <hylje> hehe 15:13:49 <peter1138> NOT IN OTTD! 15:16:57 <peter1138> bah 15:17:49 <Belugas> LordAzamath, you are therefor allowed to remove cb37 from supported wiki grf stuff 15:19:27 <dih> peter - what do you think of that pbs stuff 15:19:28 <dih> ? 15:24:39 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:26:23 *** ernestower [~ernestowe@adsl-074-229-049-125.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:45 <ernestower> I need help: What is the error 4? 15:27:53 *** keyweed_ [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has joined #openttd 15:28:03 <Belugas> the one before 5 and after 3 15:28:16 *** pm|away [~chatzilla@devera.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 15:28:24 <glx> looks like a network error 15:28:26 <Belugas> like... waht don't you give us a bit of a context first ? :P 15:28:58 *** ernestower [~ernestowe@adsl-074-229-049-125.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has left #openttd [] 15:28:58 <dih> it only sais error 4? nothing else? 15:29:15 <dih> yes - running away solves problems 15:29:28 <dih> hey enestower, are you femail by any chnace 15:29:48 <Yorick> [16:29] *** ernestower (~ernestowe@adsl-074-229-049-125.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) left () 15:29:58 <dih> [16:29] <dih> yes - running away solves problems 15:30:17 <dih> those lines were more for the channels amusement 15:30:26 <Yorick> :D 15:30:28 <dih> but i am doubting you understood that 15:30:50 <glx> he's a bot ;) 15:33:33 <dih> a young one :-) 15:34:44 *** keyweed [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r12084 /trunk/src/ (engine.cpp engine.h): -Fix: 'Early retirement'-properties are signed. 15:37:45 * Yorick analyzes discussion about "he" 15:38:59 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:41:15 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B841F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:05 *** Yorick [~yorick@82-171-194-232.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: cya all] 15:43:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:43:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:43:37 *** pm|away is now known as pm|work 15:43:55 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-088-066-142-035.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:45:35 *** pm|work is now known as planetmaker 15:50:09 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-015-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:51:36 <fjb> Tekky: The service at depot order is working when the dapot is in a PBS block with one prefered way: http://www.myimg.de/?img=FrachtGmbH5Apr1968670fa.png 15:53:23 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@ip18.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/0000000000]] 15:53:24 <fjb> But why doesn't the trail take the track straight ahead is another mystery... 15:54:41 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:26 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:01 * peter1138 tries a release build on the openttdcoop server 15:56:13 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn6-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:27 *** mcbane2 [~Maui_key@p5498FD2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:00 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 15:57:18 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-235-167.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:29 *** mcbane_ZZzzz [~Maui_key@p5498FD2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 16:01:30 *** Amis [~amis.weas@dsl5400EA0C.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 16:03:52 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 16:05:51 *** bananafly_ [~uejcpo2@202.106.212.226] has joined #openttd 16:07:08 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@devera.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:44 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@ip18.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 16:08:08 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@devera.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 16:08:42 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 16:08:42 <LordAzamath> !logs 16:10:39 <LordAzamath> is it possible to have separate views in _ and buy vehicle window? for trains? 16:11:48 <Prof_Frink> "yes" 16:11:56 <LordAzamath> good :) 16:12:06 <LordAzamath> but that's not all I want to know 16:12:18 <Prof_Frink> Forty two. 16:12:21 <frosch123> Action 3 cargo id 0xFF IIRC 16:13:11 <LordAzamath> Prof_Frink: nope.. that was answer for the third question 16:13:31 <LordAzamath> frosch123: going to check that out 16:13:37 <bananafly_> LordAzamath, what IS that question anyway 16:14:10 <Prof_Frink> LordAzamath: African or european? 16:14:31 <LordAzamath> ? 16:14:37 * LordAzamath got confuzed 16:15:07 <bananafly_> The swallow, is it african or european? 16:15:10 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:25 <bananafly_> Never seen Monty python's quest for the holy grail? 16:15:38 <LordAzamath> nope 16:15:46 <Prof_Frink> :O 16:15:51 <LordAzamath> I haven't watched all of them 16:15:52 <bananafly_> :o indeed 16:15:56 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 16:16:00 <Prof_Frink> Ni! 16:16:17 <Prof_Frink> Bring me... a shrubbery! 16:16:20 <bananafly_> Prof_Frink: Are you saying NI to that old woman? 16:18:27 <Belugas> confusion makes this a big confused channel 16:18:39 <Belugas> said Confucius 16:18:45 <bananafly_> obviously 16:18:54 <LordAzamath> Kon Fuzi 16:20:58 <Prof_Frink> Confucius say too much. 16:21:35 <Belugas> and not enough too. 16:22:38 <Prof_Frink> Confusedus say train waiting at signal is in rear of signal. 16:23:39 * Belugas says "Walk to the fridge, pick up a beer and bring it" 16:23:47 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:07 * Prof_Frink says "Reach down and to your right, pick up a beer" 16:24:28 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:26:19 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r12085 /trunk/src/ (npf.cpp npf.h roadveh_cmd.cpp ship_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Fix(r12058): Road vehicles could get stuck, when NPF told them to reverse on junction tiles. (spotted by SmatZ) 16:26:36 * Belugas thanks Prof_Frink and pat him on the head 16:28:03 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-235-167.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:48 <DJ-Nekkid> anyone who can help with callbacks? (.nfo/grf) 16:28:58 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.243.247.132] has joined #openttd 16:30:14 <frosch123> don't ask if someone can answer if you would ask. 16:37:29 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:37:30 * Belugas nods at frosch123 :) 16:37:42 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.243.247.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:55 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:38:40 <planetmaker> DJ-Nekkid: yes. But I don't know who ;D 16:38:56 <LordAzamath> what's with the wiki? 16:39:01 *** Audi [~Audigex@89.243.247.132] has joined #openttd 16:39:02 <LordAzamath> seems weird... 16:39:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:20 <LordAzamath> like.... a little bit blank 16:40:32 <glx> just incomplete 16:43:28 * Belugas updated the bridges part 16:44:17 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:05 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.78] has joined #openttd 16:45:34 <DJ-Nekkid> frosch123: well ... i cant make it work it seems ... 16:45:40 <DJ-Nekkid> *were slight afk* 16:45:56 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 16:47:01 *** Audi [~Audigex@89.243.247.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:03 <Belugas> and more parts... 16:47:04 <frosch123> I assume you have already used nforenum and grf2html to check your code... 16:47:24 <DJ-Nekkid> nforenum i always use 16:48:49 <frosch123> Which callback do you want to use? 16:49:03 <DJ-Nekkid> mainly 11 12 and 15 iirc 16:49:37 <DJ-Nekkid> wagon length, capacity and load ammount 16:49:48 <DJ-Nekkid> and eventually 1D as well (can wagon be attached) 16:51:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:57:15 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r12086 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_commons.cpp newgrf_commons.h): -Fix [FS#1747] (r11425): check overrides only for industries when mapping newgrf entities to 'real' entities 16:58:36 <LordAzamath> ok.. now THAT is weird... FF doesn't load openttd wiki, konqueror does 16:59:10 <LordAzamath> actually, FF can connect it, even I could get the source of the wiki apge, but it doesn't display it 16:59:48 <LordAzamath> but anyway, since DJ-Nekkid already started to ask questions, I'll ask too :) 16:59:58 <planetmaker> LordAzamath: I've no problem with the wiki 17:02:53 <LordAzamath> //!!Fatal Error (42): Length does not match n-id and num-cid of 01 and 01. (Expected 10 bytes) 17:02:54 <LordAzamath> 16 * 8 03 00 01 71 01 FF 02 00 17:02:56 <LordAzamath> //!!For feature 0 the following cargoIDs have not been used since their most recent definition: 17:02:58 <LordAzamath> //!!01 (last defined at sprite 15) 17:03:00 <LordAzamath> Can't understand what's wrong there... n-id is set to 01 and I refer to only one id (71).. and then num-cid is 01.. CargoID is ff so it is in purchase window, then it refers to previously defined action02 id 02.. and then the default-cid... 17:03:33 <LordAzamath> I'm trying to add separate sprites for buy vehicle window... 17:03:34 <DJ-Nekkid> i see the problem actually 17:03:36 <peter1138> action 2 ids are words 17:03:42 <LordAzamath> gahh 17:03:43 <DJ-Nekkid> -1 * 0 03 00 01 48 01 FF A0 00 AC 00 17:03:58 <LordAzamath> so in the end is 02 00 00 00 17:03:59 <LordAzamath> ? 17:04:19 <DJ-Nekkid> 03 00 01 71 01 ff 02 00 <default id> 00 17:04:34 <LordAzamath> default is 00 currently 17:04:42 <DJ-Nekkid> then that would be correct :) 17:04:48 <LordAzamath> I defined it earlier :P 17:05:27 <LordAzamath> renum doesn't complain :D 17:05:36 <DJ-Nekkid> renum is dumb :) 17:06:10 <DJ-Nekkid> but as a sidenote, i find it easier to make sets and whatever when not useing the 00-range for cids 17:09:40 <Prof_Frink> < CIA-2> flocati * r772402 <-- You guys have got a fair way to go... 17:10:21 *** bananafly_ [~uejcpo2@202.106.212.226] has quit [Quit: LÀmnar] 17:10:33 <Belugas> depends... maybe they are doing a lot mo re bugs then us :P 17:12:49 <ln-_> than 17:14:48 <DJ-Nekkid> LordAzamath: for example: i use A0 as purchase window sprite, and A1+n for Engine sprites, B1+n for pax wagon sprite(s) C1+n for Mail 17:14:51 <DJ-Nekkid> or whatever 17:15:01 <DJ-Nekkid> makes code much more readable 17:15:48 <LordAzamath> maybe... 17:16:13 <LordAzamath> but atm I'm just testing my coding skill limits :D 17:16:28 <LordAzamath> which means a new grf soon too 17:17:40 <DJ-Nekkid> LordAzamath: actually lower then mine ? :) 17:17:54 <DJ-Nekkid> or perhaps about the same :) 17:17:57 <LordAzamath> DJ-Nekkid: possible 17:18:15 <DJ-Nekkid> guess when i can debug some1 im actually not that bad 17:18:18 <LordAzamath> I'm no expert, but I can do some stuff 17:18:26 <DJ-Nekkid> same here... 17:18:37 <DJ-Nekkid> soon-(tm)-to-be-expert ;) 17:19:39 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: It's more a case of being a bigger project 17:19:46 <LordAzamath> DJ-Nekkid: The case you were able to debug my code happened, because I had a bug. I had a bug, because I haven't done that thing before... 17:20:04 <Belugas> granted, Prof_Frink 17:20:17 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:23 <Prof_Frink> That was a commit to Dragon Player. 17:20:42 <Prof_Frink> Which is in the KDE svn. 17:21:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:22:10 <DJ-Nekkid> LordAzamath: me either, and i had the same bug just 3-4 days ago :) 17:22:22 <LordAzamath> haha 17:22:37 <DJ-Nekkid> hehe 17:22:39 <DJ-Nekkid> ;) 17:22:45 <LordAzamath> and actually peter1138 fixed my bug :P 17:23:18 <LordAzamath> because you stated you saw the problem 17:23:25 <LordAzamath> but he helped faster :D 17:23:40 <LordAzamath> ^^ 17:23:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:26:02 <LordAzamath> hmm.. is there any special reason why it shows the sprite in purchase window but not in depot as icon when I have bought it? 17:28:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> after you bought it it shows the regular - sprite 17:28:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:31:24 <LordAzamath> Eddi|zuHause2: Is there any way to change this? 17:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think so... 17:32:20 <LordAzamath> because if there isn't then my last three hours are.... a little bit wasted 17:32:38 <LordAzamath> I hoped it'll do rhe same for both windows... 17:33:14 <peter1138> hmm, vista crashed :o 17:33:31 <LordAzamath> hahah 17:33:36 <|Jeroen|> thats quite normal 17:33:38 <|Jeroen|> its a feature 17:39:12 <peter1138> blue screen of stop error 0x0000007F :o 17:41:51 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:42:01 * Prof_Frink panics peter1138 17:44:34 *** tneo [~tneo@ip124-67-58-81.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:44:38 *** tneo [~tneo@ip124-67-58-81.adsl.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:45:11 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|away 17:52:56 <LordAzamath> how can it be that nforenum doesn't say a word about the code and ttdpatch says it has invalid sprite 7... 17:53:13 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r12087 /trunk/src/ (settings_gui.cpp tree_cmd.cpp): -Fix: MSVC warnings 17:53:13 <DJ-Nekkid> LordAzamath: as for the earlier comment; he had the proper language, i didnt :) 17:53:53 <LordAzamath> :) 17:54:12 <LordAzamath> and about my problem... I guess it's the fault of running it through wine... 17:54:28 <LordAzamath> because now suddenly it didn't complain 17:54:36 <DJ-Nekkid> and btw; i saied i saw the problem at the exact same second :) 17:54:46 <DJ-Nekkid> and i took me another 9 to give you the example :) 17:54:54 <DJ-Nekkid> hehe 18:00:59 <UnderBuilder> one question... how do I keep up the ratings for two bus stations away one from each other? 18:01:22 <UnderBuilder> in a competition server, I get ratings ~25% and I don't get passengers 18:01:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host154-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:01:33 <Wolf01> hello 18:02:09 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Quit: gf!] 18:02:48 <LordAzamath> can anyone point out what does this mean? ( Dalestan ?) 18:02:49 <LordAzamath> # Eyecandy empty engine 18:02:51 <LordAzamath> newgrf/empty.grf 18:02:52 <LordAzamath> # 4D413032 18:02:54 <LordAzamath> # Eyecandy empty engine for depots. By LordAzamath. 18:02:56 <LordAzamath> # Faulty A:80 F:00 18:02:57 <LordAzamath> # ï¿œFile "newgrf/empty.grf" has invalid sprite #7 (code 6/16). 18:03:06 <LordAzamath> sprite 7 is like this: 18:03:08 <LordAzamath> 7 * 32 00 00 0b 01 71 18:03:10 <LordAzamath> 09 14 00 18:03:11 <LordAzamath> 0B 64 00 18:03:13 <LordAzamath> 12 FD 18:03:14 <LordAzamath> 05 02 18:03:16 <LordAzamath> 2a 51 B3 0A 00 18:03:17 <LordAzamath> 06 07 18:03:19 <LordAzamath> 17 02 18:03:20 <LordAzamath> 22 40 18:03:22 <LordAzamath> 21 05 18:03:23 <LordAzamath> 14 00 18:03:25 <LordAzamath> 16 01 18:03:26 <Ammller> LordAzamath: paste.openttd.org 18:03:42 <LordAzamath> Ammller: this is so tiny piece of code... 18:04:10 <Ammller> netiquette sais 3 lines, imo. :) 18:04:19 <LordAzamath> grr... 18:04:21 <Wolf01> not so tiny, i can't see it all on my view 18:04:38 <LordAzamath> Wolf01: ok.. sorrt 18:04:45 <LordAzamath> t=y 18:04:56 <Ammller> Wolf01: mobile phone? :P 18:05:08 <Wolf01> no, too many chat windows 18:06:28 <LordAzamath> but anyway, regarding my problem: this is what the ttdpatch says.. grf works fine in openttd 18:07:12 <LordAzamath> and sprite 7 is duplicate sprite 8 only difference is that vehID is other and railtype is other... 18:07:32 <LordAzamath> and it doesn't complain about sprite 8 18:07:37 <LordAzamath> nor 9 18:07:49 <LordAzamath> renum doesn't say anything 18:12:58 <LordAzamath> ok.. I added the full code to openttdpaste... http://paste.openttd.org/521 18:13:00 <DaleStan> LordAzamath: code 6 is invalid property, I believe. (wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=SpriteErrors) 18:13:22 <LordAzamath> why doesn't renum complain? 18:13:55 <DaleStan> I'm guessing your version of TTDPatch is too old to know about prop 2A. 18:14:29 <glx> what version are you using? 18:14:34 <LordAzamath> 2.5 beta9 18:14:51 <glx> that explains ;) 18:14:58 <glx> use nightlies 18:15:23 <LordAzamath> got it here:P http://www.ttdpatch.net/src/ 18:15:28 <LordAzamath> ^^ 18:15:31 <DaleStan> IMO, the 2.5 branch should support the long intro dates, but I dunno if it actually does, and beta 9 definitely predates them. 18:15:52 <DaleStan> What glx said. Use the nightlies. 18:16:20 <LordAzamath> yes.. I'm trying to find the correct page now.. 18:16:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:17:23 <UnderBuilder> one question... how do I keep up the ratings for two bus stations away one from each other? 18:17:25 <UnderBuilder> in a competition server, I get ratings ~25% and I don't get passengers 18:17:39 <LordAzamath> r1825 is good? 18:18:41 <glx> it is the latest 18:20:45 <LordAzamath> hmm :(... doesn't seem to run through wine... 18:20:45 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:21 <LordAzamath> http://paste.openttd.org/522 18:22:47 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 18:23:15 <glx> LordAzamath: that's ok 18:23:28 <LordAzamath> ? 18:23:37 <LordAzamath> I can't run it 18:23:50 <LordAzamath> it terminates instantly 18:23:59 <glx> it should ask you to press y to continue 18:24:00 <LordAzamath> I even cant say y/n there 18:25:37 <LordAzamath> http://paste.openttd.org/524 18:25:41 <LordAzamath> is all I get 18:26:00 <glx> DaleStan: http://paste.openttd.org/523 <-- I needed to do this to compile grfcodec with mingw/msys 18:26:49 <LordAzamath> but I can deal with patch later.. Main thing is that grf works :) 18:27:08 <glx> I don't know how wine works 18:28:13 <LordAzamath> well I could start it before with older version... 18:34:37 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:38:21 *** mikegrb is now known as mwalling2 18:38:25 *** mwalling2 is now known as mikegrb 18:42:44 <peter1138> pommeh, teh, pommeh 18:42:57 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 18:43:18 <hylje> peter1138 is testing his new drum set for lamers 18:43:31 <Gonozal_VIII> ah^^ 18:46:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:46:53 <Prof_Frink> I want a drum kit with lasers 18:47:47 <Gonozal_VIII> in the future, everything has lasers 18:48:32 <Prof_Frink> No, not everything 18:48:41 <Gonozal_VIII> everything! 18:48:58 <Prof_Frink> It'd be awkward to have to carry a shark tank around with you. 18:49:43 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:53:11 <Belugas> i'd like to have a tank big enouh for a shark near by... 18:53:30 <Belugas> i could use it a lot ^_^ 18:53:49 <Gonozal_VIII> to put snow in? 18:54:03 <Tefad> the sharks will have laser eyes 18:54:19 <Gonozal_VIII> lasers will have lasers built in 18:56:17 * Belugas throws all the snow in his garden onto Gonozal_VIII 18:56:25 <Gonozal_VIII> nooooo 18:57:47 <LordAzamath> Gonozal_VIII: In the future, there will be robots ^^ 18:58:04 * LordAzamath ... GTA:VC 18:58:39 <LordAzamath> but as usual, I quite spammily advertize some of my creations :) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=36168&p=663691 18:59:44 <Gonozal_VIII> invisible engine? 19:01:17 <peter1138> Now code it properly ;p 19:01:42 <Gonozal_VIII> i thought i had every important patch covered... now they want timetable seperation 19:02:17 <peter1138> Or at least use refitting, cargo subtypes and the vehicle length callback... 19:03:49 <LordAzamath> peter1138: I have coded it whole today 19:04:03 <LordAzamath> it's eyecandy 19:04:28 <LordAzamath> what do you think is not properly there? 19:04:56 <LordAzamath> Gonozal_VIII: Yes, invisible 19:06:23 <peter1138> Bah, why is my avahi not working :o 19:07:05 <Noldo> bah, my son just won't sleep :/ 19:07:32 * Belugas knows the feeling and sympathizes with Noldo 19:07:54 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:08:17 <Belugas> and if you want to know, it took my own son about a year and a half before he made its full first night :( 19:08:29 <yorick> hi 19:09:08 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.78] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 19:09:23 <Noldo> waking up only once a night would be wondeful start ;) 19:12:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> take Gonozal_VIII as babysitter ;) 19:13:32 <LordAzamath> take Gonozal_VIII as another baby 19:13:38 <LordAzamath> ;) 19:13:43 <Gonozal_VIII> neither :P 19:13:55 <Prof_Frink> take Gonozal_VIII up the arse? 19:14:05 <Belugas> how old is he, Noldo? 19:14:21 <LordAzamath> Gonozal_VIII was about 23 IIRC 19:14:55 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf how do you know that 19:15:00 <Noldo> Belugas: three weeks tomorrow 19:15:21 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:15:51 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:17:05 *** asfgfsdgas [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:17:05 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest833 19:17:05 *** asfgfsdgas is now known as Gonozal_VIII 19:17:20 <LordAzamath> Gonozal_VIII: You certainly not did not tell me this about a month/two ago in this same IRC channel :P 19:17:44 <Gonozal_VIII> you can remember stuff that long :O 19:18:16 <yorick> I can too 19:18:17 <LordAzamath> I can still remember some stuff I did when I was 3-year old :D 19:18:38 * LordAzamath is 4 years ole 19:18:44 * LordAzamath old* 19:18:52 <LordAzamath> ^^ 19:19:03 <yorick> I remember stuff from when I couldn't talk 19:19:26 <yorick> well...it was quite frustrating being picked up and moved against your will 19:19:43 <LordAzamath> ermm.... ok but that's logical too, you're bot, you've got logs somewhere ^^ 19:19:52 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:20:00 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:23 <Gonozal_VIII> and now you let the waves pick you up and move you against your will? you've come so far :P 19:21:59 * LordAzamath is going to increase his postcount @ offtopic 19:22:09 <Gonozal_VIII> as usual 19:22:22 <LordAzamath> I'll get to 5th page on number of posts after three more posts 19:22:34 <yorick> my postcount was at 2421 yesterday 19:22:43 <yorick> the stats only get generated every night... 19:22:45 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcc9e.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 19:22:46 <LordAzamath> actually, I haven't posted to offtopic for eons 19:22:53 <Gonozal_VIII> and i think you're the only one who cares^^ 19:23:00 <LordAzamath> ^^ 19:23:21 *** Guest833 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:16 <yorick> I don't want to have a random quote :( (and if I do get one, I want this one to be it :-)) 19:28:23 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@i577B5114.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:47 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D9C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:31:47 *** planetmaker is now known as planetmaker__shopping 19:34:55 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DBE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:25 *** planetmaker__shopping [~chatzilla@Fcc9e.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:46 <peter1138> Gah, stinging eyes :o 19:43:22 <yorick> who are you talking to? 19:45:53 <Gonozal_VIII> to the laser eye sharks 19:46:02 <yorick> oh 19:46:36 <yorick> I think its to the stinging-eye fish 19:48:56 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:49:23 <peter1138> Dozens of DJs 19:49:37 <peter1138> Didn't The Smiths write a song about that? 19:49:53 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36127 19:49:57 <peter1138> # Hang the DJ, hang the DJ, hang the DJ... Hang. The. DJ... 19:49:59 <Gonozal_VIII> another update^^ 19:50:03 *** lili20 [~lili20@ANantes-257-1-65-24.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:50:35 <peter1138> Mmm, tea... 19:52:03 *** lili20 [~lili20@ANantes-257-1-65-24.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 19:52:42 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:43 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 19:53:46 <Belugas> Tea in the Sahara 19:53:49 <Belugas> With YOuooo 19:54:00 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 19:54:36 <yorick> -gulp- 19:55:53 <Gonozal_VIII> who broke belugas? 19:56:05 <yorick> you did 19:56:15 <Gonozal_VIII> did not! 19:56:21 <yorick> who broke the autoreplace in MP? 19:57:21 <peter1138> broke? 19:57:38 <Belugas> Police - Tea in Sahara... ignorants! 19:58:09 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r12088 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix: assert when loading savegame with wrong tiletype at south map borders 19:58:39 <yorick> asserting...asserting 19:59:11 <yorick> make something to fix what caused the assertion failure and then execute the assertion instead of just failing ;) 19:59:26 <peter1138> . . . 19:59:59 <yorick> i.e. fix the wrong tiletype at south map borders instead of just crashing/giving error about it 20:00:34 <peter1138> "There's a problem, never mind, just randomly change it to something else" ? 20:00:38 <SmatZ> yorick: asserts are to show we are in invalid state, not to try to fix it automatically and mess things up even more 20:00:43 <Gonozal_VIII> that way you can't find out what caused the wront tiletype in the first place 20:01:56 <yorick> hmm...can't I compile without npf? 20:02:43 * peter1138 ponders gui/map clicking interaction 20:02:58 *** gdsgdsag [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:02:58 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest837 20:02:58 *** gdsgdsag is now known as Gonozal_VIII 20:03:07 <hylje> integrated minimap! 20:03:15 <Gonozal_VIII> huh? 20:03:30 <hylje> think the world map 20:03:40 <hylje> but in a smaller scale mostly without extra data 20:04:07 <Gonozal_VIII> i know what you mean but why do you write that now? is there a patch? 20:04:11 <hylje> no 20:04:38 <SmatZ> like zoom-out 1x, 2x, 4x, 8x, then minimap, right? 20:04:51 <Wolf01> if i understood well, i tried to do something related to it: the fast gui, you click on a tile and some widgets appear around, floating, which you can click to start building something on that tile 20:04:53 <LordAzamath> would be nice :) 20:04:59 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.243.247.132] has joined #openttd 20:05:42 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:05:42 <Gonozal_VIII> if you zoom out far enough, the main window changes to minimap... yep 20:05:55 <Wolf01> a feature required mainly for handheld devices, where the gui takes too many space 20:06:14 <Wolf01> so you keep the pen pressed on the tile and the gui popups 20:06:15 <Prof_Frink> For handhelds you ideally want a tabbed UI 20:06:42 <Wolf01> no, for handheld a gui is not an option 20:06:50 <Wolf01> like toolbars 20:07:02 <Wolf01> maybe the options/patches one 20:07:24 <Prof_Frink> instead of showing the minimap in a window, the "map" button would switch the whole screen to map view 20:07:42 *** nina29 [~nina29@ANantes-257-1-65-24.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:07:59 <Gonozal_VIII> stupid bots 20:08:09 <yorick> ... 20:08:32 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 20:09:06 *** Guest837 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:47 *** nina29 [~nina29@ANantes-257-1-65-24.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 20:10:31 <Gonozal_VIII> see.. all female nicks on irc are bots 20:10:42 <valhallasw> anna! 20:10:49 <Prof_Frink> random idea: marker flags 20:11:04 <Gonozal_VIII> marker flags? 20:11:22 <Prof_Frink> Place on a tile, when it's off the screen, you get an arrow showing the direction and distance to the flag 20:11:55 <Prof_Frink> would be useful for building long-distance tracks 20:11:55 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm that could be added to signs 20:12:08 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:12:21 <yorick> I want a scrollto option: type in a name, after pressing 's', press return, and it will find the name from signlist or town names or station names :) 20:13:17 <Gonozal_VIII> opening the list and clicking is faster than typing?^^ 20:13:59 <yorick> no 20:14:06 <yorick> it isn't 20:14:20 <yorick> having to find a town or a sign can be very complicated 20:14:28 <Wolf01> but without a keyboard... 20:14:32 <Prof_Frink> especially for terminal junkies 20:14:45 <yorick> you can just use the mouse, wolf01 20:14:51 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: most people play on devices with a keyboard 20:14:52 <Wolf01> to type? 20:14:54 <Gonozal_VIII> you know the jump to file feature in winamp? 'j' ? 20:15:15 *** planetmaker__shopping [~chatzilla@Fcc9e.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 20:15:25 *** planetmaker__shopping is now known as planetmaker 20:15:45 <Prof_Frink> wotcha slartibartfast 20:15:59 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf 20:16:14 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489EF18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:38 * yorick has 2 sh's open on windows 20:20:36 <LordAzamath> gnight 20:21:11 <LordAzamath> don't forget to add feedback to http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=36168 ^^ 20:21:18 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@ip18.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/0000000000]] 20:21:24 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D9C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:31 <Wolf01> anybody knows if there is a web browser which run with cygwin and supports user authentication? 20:22:54 <Prof_Frink> "user authentication"? 20:23:14 <Wolf01> protected pages 20:23:19 <yorick> I don't know about any webbrowser which runs with cygwin 20:23:24 <yorick> why do you need one? 20:23:33 <yorick> maybe Konqueror will do 20:23:33 <glx> good question :) 20:23:35 <planetmaker> ^^? 20:24:01 <Wolf01> my router only has http interface 20:24:24 <yorick> <"Firefox"> 20:24:34 <Wolf01> with ssh? 20:24:37 <yorick> no 20:24:50 <glx> why ssh if it only has http? 20:24:51 <Wolf01> that's why i asked :) 20:25:02 <yorick> why do you need a webbroser with ssh over cygwin that supports user authentication? 20:25:15 <Wolf01> because i can use my server remotely with ssh 20:25:25 <yorick> putty has ssh too 20:25:50 <planetmaker> or for copying use winscp ^^ 20:26:28 <Wolf01> i tried with links but it doesn't support authentication, it shows directly "this page has protected content" 20:27:04 <Wolf01> so i need always to use vnc, but it has a password too, and i don't remember it :P 20:27:47 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: links2? 20:28:15 <Wolf01> not available for cygwin 20:28:45 <Prof_Frink> "get a real os for your server"? 20:29:13 <Wolf01> i'll put ubuntu server or slackware when i'll have time 20:29:23 <yorick> you have to pay real money for windows :) 20:29:50 <Gonozal_VIII> do people really buy windows? 20:30:07 <Gonozal_VIII> they just use it if it comes with their pcs, right? 20:30:08 <yorick> errrr...no 20:30:14 <yorick> yes 20:30:27 <yorick> and they try to make it as much linuxy as possible 20:30:33 <yorick> at least, I do :-P 20:30:42 <Gonozal_VIII> i mean... i can't imagine walking into a shop and buying windows... 20:31:11 <yorick> YODM3d as window manager :-) 20:31:19 <planetmaker> well... at our university all members are free to use windows on all of their computers, also their private ones. So technically, I didn't buy it, but it also didn't come with my PC... 20:31:27 <Gonozal_VIII> they would all laugh at you and point fingers at you... 20:31:43 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Not if you went to pissy werld 20:31:57 <Prof_Frink> Then we would point and laugh at you double, 20:33:03 * yorick has successfully patched openttd with paxdest, truckdriver security, YAPP, daylenght 20:33:10 *** assdgs [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:33:10 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest842 20:33:11 *** assdgs is now known as Gonozal_VIII 20:33:12 <yorick> and set daylenght to 1 minute 20:33:17 <Gonozal_VIII> aaand disconnect again.. 20:33:43 <Prof_Frink> Gonofail_VIII 20:33:44 <yorick> stop disconnecting! 20:34:19 <Prof_Frink> OK, who's eaten my DNS? 20:34:32 <Sacro> peter1138: do you have a grf pack for your server? 20:34:41 <planetmaker> what is truckdiver security?! 20:34:48 <Gonozal_VIII> yorick? 20:34:50 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36127 20:34:54 <yorick> I know 20:35:08 <yorick> but I managed to find out about it when compiling 20:35:35 <yorick> truckdriver security=closing lvlcrossings as soon as a train reserves them using PBS 20:35:48 <Gonozal_VIII> yes i want that, where's that? 20:35:55 <planetmaker> ah... THAT is nice :) 20:36:44 <yorick> Gonozal_VIII: its in my head 20:36:54 <yorick> erm...no 20:36:58 <yorick> I must have it somewhere 20:37:02 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm can you make a patch out of it? then i'll include it 20:37:14 <yorick> its a patch for a patch :O 20:37:25 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:40 <Gonozal_VIII> then i'll include it in the yapp version i use.. 20:38:30 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/520 20:38:32 <yorick> I think 20:38:38 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:38:39 <yorick> I don't know if the diffing worked 20:38:41 <Gonozal_VIII> or you could do that... download the patches.zip from the link, there's the yapp version in my multipatch 20:38:46 <Tekky> yorick: What if the reserved area of the train is very large so that the train will only arrive at the crossing in one minute? Will the crossing close anyway? 20:38:59 <Gonozal_VIII> they do that in rl... 20:39:03 <yorick> the crossing will always close when it gets reserved 20:39:07 <Gonozal_VIII> crossings closed for ages 20:39:22 <Gonozal_VIII> train nowhere to be seen... 20:39:26 <yorick> Gonozal_VIII: http://paste.openttd.org/520 20:39:36 *** Guest842 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:38 <yorick> I had to compare a yapp patched file to a my-patched file 20:39:43 <yorick> I don't know if it works 20:39:45 <Gonozal_VIII> yep, got that 20:39:53 <yorick> I have to go now, cya! 20:39:58 <Gonozal_VIII> cu 20:40:00 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: bye all!] 20:40:10 <planetmaker> yorick: I guess you sent your levels crossing patch to michi_cc? 20:40:16 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 20:40:24 <planetmaker> bye, Yorick 20:41:28 <peter1138> Sacro: No. They're all on or near GRFCrawler... 20:41:33 <Prof_Frink> what the... it's not *DNS* that's broken, it'd *ARP* 20:41:33 <Sacro> :( 20:41:39 <Sacro> peter1138: but i'm soooooooooo lazy 20:41:44 <peter1138> no shit :p 20:43:50 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 20:45:13 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C2DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B5114.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:45:53 * Sacro downloads coop grfpack 20:46:19 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489EF18.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:28 *** asgsdg [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:48:29 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest843 20:48:29 *** asgsdg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 20:48:36 <Sacro> peter1138: i'm missing one set D: 20:48:44 <Sacro> 43415463 20:49:35 <Sacro> peter1138: can you upgrade canset to 0.3d 20:50:02 <Sacro> cos i can't find 0.3c :( 20:51:03 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@90.209.238.39] has joined #openttd 20:51:09 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.209.238.39] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 20:51:16 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 20:52:26 <Prof_Frink> silly routerer 20:54:51 *** Guest843 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Tekky> yorick: What if the reserved area of the train is very large so that the train will only arrive at the crossing in one minute? Will the crossing close anyway? <- that is totally realistic, signals may not turn green unless the road crossings have been reserved 20:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZugunglÃŒck_von_Langenweddingen 20:58:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> s/reserverd/secured( 20:58:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> gnah... 20:58:43 <peter1138> yea 20:58:59 <Gonozal_VIII> that link opens two tabs at once^^ 20:59:18 <Gonozal_VIII> wikipedia page for zugunglÃŒck and a 404 20:59:18 <peter1138> it's good fun when a station is right next to a level crossing 20:59:31 <peter1138> train is near, crossing closes, train stops at station, cars get pissed off.... 20:59:53 <Sacro> peter1138: i need canset 0.3c 20:59:56 <Sacro> or you to upgrade to d 20:59:58 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:00:01 <Gonozal_VIII> we have that every day here 21:00:22 <SmatZ> Gonozal_VIII: pissed off cars? 21:00:27 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 21:01:03 <peter1138> yay, shared restrictions 21:01:07 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: care to make a grfpack so's I can destroy you? 21:01:34 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: what do you mean? 21:01:42 <Sacro> i have Brianetta's standard grf pack 21:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: only for people who do not use UTF-8 21:01:48 <Sacro> and the Co-op v6 pack 21:03:57 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:59 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:15 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:34 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:04:41 *** asdfsfg [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:04:41 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest844 21:04:41 *** asdfsfg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 21:06:08 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:06:09 <HMage> ÐŒÑÐŒÑ, вÑеЌ пÑÐžÐ²ÐµÑ 21:06:41 <Gonozal_VIII> http://paste.openttd.org/520 <-- either that's the wrong diff or it doesn't work... that is already in yapp and bars don't close earlier 21:09:18 <peter1138> Gonozal_VIII: robots are not infallable 21:10:36 <Sacro> peter1138: please email me teh codez 21:10:37 *** planetmaker_ [~chatzilla@Fcc9e.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 21:10:41 <peter1138> CODEZZZZZZZZZZ 21:10:41 *** planetmaker is now known as pm_AFK 21:10:44 <peter1138> 0.3c? 21:10:45 <Sacro> D: 21:10:47 <Sacro> yeah 21:10:50 <peter1138> mo 21:10:53 *** planetmaker_ is now known as planetmaker 21:10:54 <Sacro> or you upgrade to 0.3d 21:10:58 <peter1138> hurr 21:11:00 <peter1138> ok 21:11:06 *** Guest844 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:18 *** pm_AFK [~chatzilla@Fcc9e.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:28 <peter1138> done 21:15:39 <peter1138> (and compiling my local copy of pbs) 21:16:12 <Sacro> HE IS IN :D 21:16:25 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:34 <peter1138> :D :D :D 21:17:12 <peter1138> poo, i need a release build as this laptop is too slow :o 21:17:38 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:21:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:10 * HMage ÑаÑпакПвÑÐ²Ð°ÐµÑ Numark TotalControl -- http://hmage.ru/pictures/totalcontrol_topctrls_lg.jpg (184kb) 21:23:16 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:27 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.243.247.132] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 21:24:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:26:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> ooook... that is really major blockage there... 21:33:55 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C2DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:27 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:39 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:35:59 *** saff [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:35:59 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest845 21:35:59 *** saff is now known as Gonozal_VIII 21:41:46 *** Guest845 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:55 <Sacro> Tekky: oi, join the server 21:42:55 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C891.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:55 *** DJMirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:33 <Phantasm> Have any users reported any weird crashes of the whole computer with windows and openttd 0.6.0-beta3? 21:48:01 <Sacro> nope 21:48:08 <Phantasm> I don't recall my computer crashing even once during at least half a year other than playing openttd.. And with it I tend to get crashes on average every 5 hours or so. 21:48:15 <glx> there are known bugs in it, but only ottd should crash 21:48:31 <glx> well not crash, but assert 21:48:37 <Phantasm> I don't recall getting any crashes in single player mode though. So might be only multiplayer. 21:49:45 <Phantasm> Usually it gives a BSOD.. At least once the reason was 'irql is not less or equal'. 21:53:32 <fjb> Hm, some defective RAM that is usually unused? 21:53:53 <Phantasm> Can't be. 21:54:14 <Prof_Frink> why not? 21:54:17 <Phantasm> Much more is typically used than when I play ott. 21:54:18 <Phantasm> +d 21:54:58 <Vikthor> So maybe network-card drivers? 21:55:04 <Prof_Frink> Still, an app shouldn't be able to crash the OS 21:55:17 <Phantasm> Prof_Frink: Talking about windows, many games do crash windows. 21:55:27 <Phantasm> As in some games do it with some stuff faulty in them. 21:55:57 <Phantasm> It is a normal way to code for windows to make everything yourself overriding windows API. Thus you need admin rights to run the game and you can also crash the comp with it. 21:55:58 <Gonozal_VIII> if you want to make an app that crashes windows, you have so many possibilities to choose from... 21:56:24 <Prof_Frink> "lol, winfail." 21:56:49 <Gonozal_VIII> most harmless... just trigger a shutdown 21:57:43 <Phantasm> Faulty driver is possible, but as nothing else has crashed the comp, it is more likely that the game has a bug. 21:58:12 <peter1138> a bug that nobody else has triggered 22:00:45 <Gonozal_VIII> did you set it to open in a resolution that your monitor doesn't support or something? 22:01:09 <Phantasm> Gonozal_VIII: That wouldn't do anything special... And I play at windowed mode. 22:01:37 <Gonozal_VIII> well... it could look like a crash if the screen goes black^^ 22:02:08 * Belugas goes home 22:02:09 <Belugas> bye 22:02:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:16 <Phantasm> Gonozal_VIII: It doesn't crash at start. And if it gives a BSOD the screen isn't black at that time. Though, it does go black for some time typically. 22:03:21 *** sfsdfafdf [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:03:21 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest847 22:03:22 *** sfsdfafdf is now known as Gonozal_VIII 22:03:46 <Phantasm> Then it either gives BSOD or the whole comp is not responding (ctrl+alt+del etc don't work) and has to be reset. 22:05:53 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:16 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 22:06:47 <Gonozal_VIII> how big is the limit for attachment size in the forum? 22:08:26 <Rubidium> if OTTD creates BSODs then either the hardware is bugged or the drivers of the hardware or Windows because it must be impossible for an user application without elevated rights to crash a computer to a BSOD 22:09:41 *** Guest847 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:39 <Sacro> Rubidium: that sounds like a challenge 22:13:26 <glx> the only BSOD I get with XP are caused by graphic card driver 22:16:05 <glx> and usually it's my fault 22:17:51 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:21 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 22:18:23 *** dsgafgdg [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:18:24 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest849 22:18:24 *** dsgafgdg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 22:22:00 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489BFEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:31 *** Guest849 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:13 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C891.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:43 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:46 *** asdsagsdf [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:31:46 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest852 22:31:46 *** asdsagsdf is now known as Gonozal_VIII 22:31:53 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:28 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485F32A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:35 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:41 *** Guest852 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:19 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:38:23 *** PhoenixII [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:51 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F128.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:41:21 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:25 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 22:41:27 <Tekky> Phantasm: It is true that Windows games often crash the whole PC. But these games have their own drivers, for example for copy protection. 22:42:12 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:42:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 22:42:17 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni! 22:42:39 <Bjarni> you are so predicable 22:42:44 <Gonozal_VIII> am not 22:42:47 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 22:42:52 <Bjarni> you are 22:42:59 <Bjarni> unless proven otherwise 22:43:07 <Gonozal_VIII> you didn't predict that: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36127 22:44:09 <Bjarni> actually I did :p 22:44:19 <Bjarni> you talked about adding patches and getting them to compile 22:44:21 <Gonozal_VIII> :O 22:44:29 <Bjarni> so I had a feeling that you might do something like this 22:44:46 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm predictable :-( 22:45:32 <Bjarni> now a predictable action would be to do something really silly like declaring to get naked and start dancing (to avoid being predictable) 22:45:38 <Bjarni> :P 22:47:02 *** dgdgdsgg [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:47:02 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest855 22:47:02 *** dgdgdsgg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 22:49:10 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 22:52:36 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489B408.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:54:01 *** Guest855 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:43 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489BFEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:14 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.243.247.132] has joined #openttd 23:02:08 *** Dred_furst [~go@resnet269.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:03:04 *** sdsgdgdsg [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:03:04 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest857 23:03:06 *** sdsgdgdsg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 23:06:47 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 23:07:40 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:09:16 *** Guest857 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:57 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:10:27 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489B746.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:07 <Bjarni> lol... some town council and their administration isn't replying on emails and when a computer magazine asked them why the major said "The mail system is something we all need to get used to use" 23:11:32 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 23:11:43 <Bjarni> so far it has taken them more than a year for their new structure to figure out how to reply to simple emails 23:11:52 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, those new electronic mail thingies confuse me all the time 23:12:05 <Bjarni> I hate them 23:12:20 <Bjarni> I always wonder what will happen if the cable leaks 23:12:27 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't even know where to place the stamp 23:12:29 <Bjarni> will the electrons flood the floor 23:12:47 <Bjarni> will I have to clean or replace the floor if it happens? 23:13:13 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:13:13 <Gonozal_VIII> i think you should... i've heard those electrons are very dangerous 23:14:16 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm241.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 23:14:16 <Bjarni> so you are saying that those emails are actually pretty dangerous? 23:14:29 <Bjarni> and they can blow up houses? 23:14:32 <Gonozal_VIII> indeed! they can kill you! 23:14:38 <SmatZ> oh noes! 23:16:20 *** safgag [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:16:21 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest858 23:16:21 *** safgag is now known as Gonozal_VIII 23:16:29 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 23:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: "Major" is a military commanding officer, the head of a town is called "Mayor" 23:16:37 <Bjarni> oops 23:16:43 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489B408.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:50 <Bjarni> I meant Mayor :s 23:16:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> (compare to the common german family name "Maier") 23:17:07 <Bjarni> I knew it looked wrong when I wrote it :/ 23:17:45 <Gonozal_VIII> but maier has different roots i think 23:17:51 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #openttd [] 23:19:50 <Bjarni> http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206106192 <-- wtf 23:20:19 <Bjarni> now Muslims are upset that somebody posted a picture of Muhammed on wikipedia 23:20:40 <Bjarni> the picture is a Muslim created one from 1315 so they are upset about their own picture 23:20:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Meier" meanwhile is an unused word, it only occurs in names, but when you read texts about medieval times, "Meier" is used as a job name for people with administrative purpose, (also compare "Hausmeister") 23:20:50 <Sacro> i bet a dane uploaded it 23:21:01 <Gonozal_VIII> they are upset about everything 23:21:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: the islamic religion forbids direct depiction of muhammed and the prophets 23:22:36 *** Guest858 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:02 <Bjarni> but then why did they make pictures of him themselves hundred of years ago? 23:23:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> because it was less frowned upon? 23:23:42 <Bjarni> Sacro: that statement deserves to be ignored. Besides the wikipedia log appears to tell that the image started on the German page 23:24:04 <Sacro> Bjarni: i love how your second sentance totally contradicts the first 23:24:04 * Prof_Frink burns Sacro's embassy 23:24:08 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 23:24:09 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 23:25:23 <Bjarni> Sacro: no they don't. The first is a statement that you made a statement without investigating and such statements should be ignored. My 2nd statement was that I proved you to be incorrect and even gave the correct answer 23:25:32 <Bjarni> now you shouldn't make the same mistake again 23:25:37 <Bjarni> I'm being friendly to you 23:26:02 <Andel> I've just called my teddy "jebus" 23:26:18 <Sacro> heh 23:26:28 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489DF2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:26:29 <Andel> I'm expecting media fall-out shortly 23:27:52 <Bjarni> huh 23:28:01 <Bjarni> you expect us to nuke you? 23:30:24 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:30:43 *** sfsgggs [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:30:43 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest859 23:30:43 *** sfsgggs is now known as Gonozal_VIII 23:32:04 * Sacro checks the topic 23:32:06 <Sacro> [23:24] <weirdy> *yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn* 23:32:06 <Sacro> [23:25] <Sacro> Just nod if you can hear me 23:32:07 <Sacro> err :\ 23:32:10 <Sacro> http://bash.org/?839112 23:32:16 <Sacro> forgot to press ^c 23:32:53 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489B746.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:19 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 23:36:41 *** Guest859 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:58 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.243.247.132] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 23:38:03 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:41 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:08 <Bjarni> Sacro == Evan ? 23:42:37 <Sacro> ? 23:42:47 <Sacro> swiss != sweden 23:43:08 <Gonozal_VIII> sure? 23:44:24 <Gonozal_VIII> have you been to switzerland and sweden? do you know that they are not secretly the same? 23:44:56 <Bjarni> I saw "trading places". It had Leiderhosen from Sweden 23:45:03 <Bjarni> so it must be the same 23:45:11 <Gonozal_VIII> leiderhosen? 23:45:11 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: to be honest 23:45:14 <Sacro> i don't belive in either 23:45:57 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> leiderhosen? <-- or something... you know... those pants you guys wear during the summer in the Alps 23:47:00 *** sgsdgsg [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:47:00 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest863 23:47:00 *** sgsdgsg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 23:47:09 <Bjarni> dammit I don't know how to explain it to you but I know what kind of pants I mean 23:47:15 <Bjarni> I know what they look like and such 23:47:19 <Bjarni> and so do you 23:47:47 <Gonozal_VIII> lederhosen :P 23:47:55 <Bjarni> ohh... all I needed was to google it and google corrected the spelling xD 23:48:00 <Bjarni> yeah I just figured it out 23:48:03 <Gonozal_VIII> and no, "we guys" don't wear them 23:48:04 <Bjarni> or google did :D 23:48:20 <Bjarni> you don't? 23:48:40 <Bjarni> are you nudists or something? 23:49:01 <Gonozal_VIII> erm... normal pants?^^ 23:49:45 <Gonozal_VIII> that stuff is just for the tourists 23:50:14 <Bjarni> so you are saying that you screw history? 23:50:26 <Gonozal_VIII> yep, a lot 23:50:42 <Bjarni> then how am I supposed to know you? 23:50:51 <Bjarni> if you dress up like everybody else 23:50:53 <Gonozal_VIII> you're not 23:51:04 <Bjarni> why not? 23:51:10 <Bjarni> are you ashamed of your country? 23:51:16 <Gonozal_VIII> you will notice, when i shout bjarni! 23:51:45 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 23:51:55 <Gonozal_VIII> do you wear the same stuff that people in your country wore centories ago? 23:52:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> something is not quite right with these overtaking sections... 23:52:32 <Gonozal_VIII> missing priority 23:52:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> trains that were just overtaken tend to overtake the other train again immediately 23:52:56 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> do you wear the same stuff that people in your country wore centories ago? <-- sometimes 23:53:12 *** Guest863 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:25 <Bjarni> and I bet we would do it more if we had cool pants like that 23:53:42 <Gonozal_VIII> do you know, how expensive those are? 23:53:50 <Bjarni> no 23:54:04 <Bjarni> but usually there are tourist prices and local prices 23:54:12 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:2df:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has joined #openttd 23:54:48 <Bjarni> EU don't want that but it's the truth anyway 23:54:59 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> scorpio.oftc.net, saturn.oftc.net quits: Hendikins, Killian 23:55:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: yes, missing lookahead reservation 23:55:17 <Bjarni> http://bash.org/?6908 <-- cold? 23:55:28 <Bjarni> those guys don't understand physics 23:55:46 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess if priority trains would reserve a longer path than normal trains, it could work 23:56:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EA39.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it wouldn't, then the second train would just reserve two overtaking sections ahead 23:59:07 <Gonozal_VIII> how about not building them so close after one another? then the faster train would already be too far ahead for the other to overtake back 23:59:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> if a strong reservation hits a lookahead reservation of another train {needs some way to resolve the train from the reserved tile}, train priorities are decided (some formula of speed, distance, nice value) 23:59:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> if lookahead reservation has higher priority, reservation is denied